mess-hall

[night lark]

Like i think units were still training on them and they were being shipped over. They did serve on front line just after El Al

[low bridge]

I play very casually lately like a few times a week, I'd say it still happens once per 1-2 weeks. Usually it happens after crashing but since that hasn't happened to me in a while I figured it might be when I close the game while stuck on loading (check the comments above yours for a little more context). One time I suspect it happened after updating aswell

[wind shore]

Hi

[pine ember]

Yea, the weapon was around at the time, so i dont think it’s that much of an issue

[wind shore]

New map is coming

• HLL Vietnam

@wind shore Would you play NVA and US or South Vietnamese Army?

[wind shore]

NVA

[wind shore]

why

[wind shore]

i don't know, i thought it is the same, NVA or South Vietnamese Army

both Vietnamese, no difference

ok its not the same

[wind shore]

What’s the difference

If both are Vietnamese

nva is german

Ok

So would they get German equipment?

[wind shore]

Which equipment would they get

[pine ember]

There is a difference between the German NVA and the Vietnamese NVA

German NVA: Nationale Volksarmee
Vietnamese NVA: North Vietnamese Army

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[pine ember]

[novel geyser]

NVA is north vietnamese army and have soviet equipment
ARVN is south vietnamese with US lend leased equipment

German NVA were not in vietnam

[worthy charm]

Why are we having the vietnam talk in the wrong chat.

Poor #base-camp, is being left out of the fun

[past vortex]

because its a messy chat
it has to be in mess hall

[worthy charm]

Its the mess hall, so I cant expect people not to mess around?

-# Thats doesnt count as a bad joke

[past vortex]

yes

[pine ember]

Guys... best WW2 shooter: S44, BFV, Enlisted or HLL?

[cosmic pilot]

HLL

[pine ember]

And besides HLL?

[cedar ore]

HLL

[paper verge]

HLL

[past vortex]

for a quick and furious fight without much thought enlisted is great
technically much better, much more really nice details
but ofc not to compare to hll

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[finite berry]

For the hardcore experience, but allowing more casual: HLL
For the hardcore experience aiming towards realism: Squad 44

Personally: Squad 44

[past vortex]

hll has multiplayer tho

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-b-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-point-thats-bait-gif-26034830

[past vortex]

no really

there are hll servers with players

[finite berry]

Think of more original rage bait or, preferably, have an actual conversation with me. Or just stop talking. But this is just tiring.

[past vortex]

aaaaaaaaaw

[pine ember]

S44 is good - HLL is better for me

[past vortex]

its called a running gag, you get that every time :}

[pine ember]

For Short casual Matches BFV works for me

[past vortex]

bf is too simple

and the unlimited resources

[pine ember]

Solomon Islands, Wake Island or Twisted Steel, Even Devastation, Rotterdam and Al Sundan, All feel great

[pine ember]

Not for me if I just wanna Jump into a 30 Minute Gaming Break

[past vortex]

enlisted is great for that

[finite berry]

BfV is a fantasy shooter heavily inspired by WW2

[pine ember]

That’s true

[past vortex]

the resource refresh turns me off

[thin lotus]

*a better shooter than the rest listed

[pine ember]

But for Short Matches it’s Fine mostly

Enlisted has bots and isn’t accurate either, come on

[past vortex]

ofc it has a lot of downsides

also the actual player count is really low

10v10 is the best case

most often its much less

but if yk how to take it even a 1v1 can be fun

[finite berry]

I dunno, Enlisted just doesn't appeal to me at all

I watch gameplay vids and just think "nah"

[past vortex]

the guns and soldier equipment are really great

if you fall for the illusion that enlisted has big battles its disappointing
but if yk you are up against like 4 guys and the rest is filler you navigate while you fight them its fine

if you end up on the loosing side you just hop into a plane and watch it from above while still making good score :}

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/booker-t-king-booker-5time-world-champion-can-you-dig-that-sucka-tell-me-he-didnt-just-say-that-gif-21811148

[past vortex]

ofc i sat

[worthy charm]

Same, enlisted is the worst of these ww2 games.

I played it on release but it wasnt that good for me. The fun of S44 and Hll for me comes out of communication and teamplay. Thats not something Enlisted can provide...

[finite berry]

Exactly

[past vortex]

yea

[night lark]

HLL. S44 has to much autism, BFV is dumb because all the guns are skill issue balanced and Enlisted looks like BFV but complicated

[polar prism]

What's bad about Squad 44? Out of all the ones listed, Squad 44 easily tops it for me

[night lark]

dont get me wrong i do like it, just theres some stuff like the stamina and magic go juice canteen thing that annoys me a bit. Id play a lot more S44 if more people played it and my freinds were on it more

[finite berry]

Id play a lot more S44 if more people played it

Now, if all the people who say that just played it instead of... well, merely saying it...

[pine ember]

„Too much autism“ that’s one way to put it

[night lark]

Yeah no this is true. But one me isnt going to change it. And rn in playing GHPC

[polar prism]

Canteens aren’t as big of a thing as they used to be

Now you can only use it once, but no more.

And stamina doesn't drain off as quickly anymore

[finite berry]

Sure, not attacking you. It's just a sad reoccurance that I'm seeing

[finite berry]

Automatic stamina regeneration is much, much faster

[worthy charm]

I would play a modern S44, could be amazing.

-# That was my bad joke for today

[night lark]

Have you heard of Squad 😂

Its great btw. I actually really like Squad tbh

[finite berry]

If Squad 44 gets indeed abandoned at some point, I'll switch over to Squad, I guess.

[night lark]

Community can be a bit ratty and toxic but the gameplay is fun. Modern vehicles are great and ATGM go Wweeeeeeeee

[polar prism]

I just really hate the stamina in Squad, drains way too quickly

[worthy charm]

I never got into Squads tanking... that was a huge issue for me.

[night lark]

The tanking is way better than any other game tbh

[worthy charm]

Squad WW2 mod when?

Wasnt there a Vietnam Squad mod as well?

[night lark]

Think it died a death

[finite berry]

There even is a Star Wars mod

[worthy charm]

Or was it what turned out to become burning lands?

[worthy charm]

Galactic Contention is great

[broken shoal]

Squad got a ue5 update for free. We got... Vietnam

[finite berry]

The UE5 update didn't go very smoothly, tho

[wind shore]

Elon Musk

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-what-confused-gif-15074314

[rapid frost]

has anyone played Arma 3 antistasi

[worthy charm]

Real shocking that they dont give us a new game for free.

:}

[broken shoal]

whois asking for a new game for free

[faint depot]

What if the game would get alternative scenario gamemode and map of New Swabia.
With expeditionary force Ahnenerbe and new map based Antarctic.

Like in COD BO 7.

[worthy charm]

New CoD metioned

Whole chat ruined

[gentle lintel]

you must end this

[worthy charm]

Never

:}

[covert elbow]

You should kick him off the mod team and make me a mod instead

Or give me a unique role

[nova pivot]

If ninja gets a unique role I want a "The Floppa" role

[worthy charm]

Oha

[worthy charm]

No role for you

[nova pivot]

🥺

Why

[covert elbow]

Because they hate us floppa

We need to make our own HLL discord

With blackjack. And hookers!

[cyan saddle]

When did I type a +

I don't recall ever typing + let alone pressing enter

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

[cyan saddle]

I am so confused

[worthy charm]

Oh god

What kind of crazy anarchy server would that be.

[covert elbow]

Y’know what, let’s just make our own WW2 game instead!

Screw all of you guys! I’m going to make the greatest WW2 game known to man!

[worthy charm]

How mean

Im not a screw

[covert elbow]

Your a mod so you automatically get put under the category

I don’t make the rules Willy. Sorry

[worthy charm]

Sorry but rule 3

[molten oriole]

the team kill was of course accidental

what is rule 3?

[oak current]

You'd go about by going on the teams discords that banned you and make a ticket there

[worthy charm]

#server-rules

If you have a problem with a player/community, please choose to handle this privately. Please note that the Moderation team can only act on matters occurring within this server.

[molten oriole]

Fair enough. I don't know how these things work. I seldom interact on discord.

[gentle lintel]

Rule 3 is the biggest rule of them all

(Kidding)

[wind shore]

Is there any open xp grinding server for console?

[past vortex]

8:12 PM GMT

[gentle lintel]

Scream if you love GMT

[oak current]

I'm a fan of Good Meat Tenderness

[slate canopy]

Please no game advertisements. 😄

[wind shore]

Scream if you love him:

[finite berry]

🦗

[empty steppe]

🏏

[glossy ridge]

i have the same bug as you

[twin abyss]

God forbid people have free speech

[marsh mountain]

what are the best options for an RTX 3050 Ti 16GB Ram? these are the mine, would be able to run HLL VN too?

RESOLUTION 100%

VSYNCH (recommended not but i play on because i play on a TV)

bright 70

TEXTURES HIGH

SHADOWS MEDIUM

AA COMMUNITY AA

AA QUALITY MEDIUM

EFFECT MEDIUM

DISTANCE MEDIUM

VEGETATION MEDIUM

POST PROCES FILTER MEDIUM

SSAAP (ambient oclusión) LOW

BLUR NO

with this seems to work there, in Xbox looks little bit better I think

[slate canopy]

I always recommend this: https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271341876569575505

[novel geyser]

🤨

[cyan saddle]

Bye

[worthy charm]

Begone

[novel geyser]

Aw shucks I nearly got free mr beast money

[buoyant fable]

i just got hell let loose and i have more friendly fire kills than enemy kills 😭

[real parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/france-jumpscare-france-gif-8859834915651946028

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-shutupbaby-iknowit-futurama-courtroom-gif-4885109

[wind shore]

Is it normal to get stutters on this game with a 5070?

[past vortex]

yes and no

[wind shore]

Huh

[past vortex]

you are not alone

but not everyone has it

[wind shore]

Weird

[past vortex]

yes

is your cpu good

[silk igloo]

ancient lore says that increasing your FOV helps because the (huge) assets wont be streamed into and out of memory so often

[past vortex]

but then even 8GiB cards run it

also high fov is bad

[cosmic pilot]

How

[past vortex]

less zoom

i sometimes change it ig

btw did anyone test NOTEXTURESTREAMING

[cosmic pilot]

Less situational awareness

Cogs with 60 degrees fov be swinging their head side to side like a cylon's scanner

[past vortex]

60 is ofc too low for general use

its also slow

strangely, it should be faster

[cosmic pilot]

So you are criticising a trade off of high fov, you can't just claim that it's "bad"

[past vortex]

too high is bad

[cosmic pilot]

Jairion is also correct

[past vortex]

yes

didnt say he is not

its still that some people with worse gpu have no stutters and other with high end do

[silk igloo]

i only recite the ancient lore, i did not write it

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[worthy charm]

Raz has experience in this field.

[faint portal]

I would ensure you're running on DX11, for me the new default of DX12 causes WAY more stutters. It will require a reboot as well, another thing could be the server you play on as well as tweaking some graphics settings. I like to put shadows/foliage on medium, seems to run pretty decent on those

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tank-gif-25914406

[empty steppe]

“ENEMY GARRISON ON PING!” KABOOM “oops…”

[worthy charm]

For real

[mental jackal]

Same 😭

[fervent dagger]

Can't wait for spa's to double that number

[sly flicker]

How do I see the road map for future updates?

[slate canopy]

All announcements are in #telegrams

The roadmap was posted here #telegrams message

[sly flicker]

Thanks! Do we know when Stalingrad is coming out ?

[worthy charm]

Next month together with the tank rework.

In November we will get Smolensk as a new map and the new SPA (as the arty rework)

[wind shore]

It was announced?

This map? Smolensk would be? I’ve heard it’s already bigger than Carentan, and cool urban map

[worthy charm]

Shoo kedo

We both know the map sizes are all the same.

[wind shore]

Yeah, in urban and diversity plan

It’s bigger than Carentan in urbanism

[past vortex]

still disappointed it isnt big ensk

[wind shore]

It included: the river and south part with rural houses, wall.
Middle - the largest urban area.
North - hill with houses and railway, viaduct

All is out of this setting it’s STG 44 exactly

And snow camos

I imagine how many people would like to use STG 44 for Smolensk

[wind shore]

What is it

[loud cape]

for the armor rework hvev the devs mentioned anything about beign able to take out a tank shell out of the breech and put a different type in?

at least like 10 rounds probably get wasted because of that per tank

[past vortex]

dont think so

[loud cape]

its especially bad for the 76 because of how little ap is given

that was qucik whoever took car eof that

saw it for 5 sec

[novel geyser]

I havent read anything recently about the tank rework, idk if they're reconsidering the tinkerer mechanic

[past vortex]

that wasnt in the pte

btw i just tried NOTEXTURESTREAMING and it does something
its worse for me since i only got 8GiB vram but for someone with more its prob worth a try

[pine ember]

We Need rural map

[wind shore]

I like how you describing Smolensk map @oak current in your video

So cute description of Smolensk, nice pics

[oak current]

its the description of the dev brief

[wind shore]

Smolensk

[wind shore]

Sounds interesting

https://tenor.com/view/star-wow-waoh-meme-anime-gif-14406095107499344944

Smolensk it’s coming after Stalingrad

I think it’s around 7-15 October PTE

[pine ember]

We all know it already

[wind shore]

Would you play the PTE?

@oak current graffiti also would be included? 😅 ( on 1 photo on the bridge )

[oak current]

?

[wind shore]

joking of course

[oak current]

what?

[wind shore]

On 1 photo in your video is graffiti on that bridge

[oak current]

oh, I see 😄
Yeah, just pictures via google maps
Had thought of adding the Smolensk mcDonalds in there as well

[wind shore]

I’m joking, of course about the graffiti 🤣

[wind shore]

🤣

[pine ember]

Why should I Play the PTE

[wind shore]

You shouldn’t, but if you would play it )

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[gentle lintel]

Scream if you love rural France

Unrelated

R.I.P.

[worthy charm]

Already saw that in the Tagesschau

Didnt knew its that guy tho

[gentle lintel]

Speak English please

[thin lotus]

Remember "Objective Mode"?
Did that idea just fizzle out?

That was a pte in June

[worthy charm]

They said its just a Test.

Would be a cool for next year.

[thin lotus]

Have they ever given their followup input on any pte observations?

I can't recall they have

[worthy charm]

Not sure honestly...
I will write it down besides the 98 other things we need to ask Ben about.

[thin lotus]

"our dwindling community is getting antsy. Give them another pte, make up something, just throw them anything"
"aslo put the game on sale"

[slate canopy]

🎵 99 things to ask Ben about... 99 things to ask... Take one down, pass it around... 98 things we need to ask Ben about 🎵

[wind shore]

Something needs to solve with winter uniforms on summer maps

It’s in accurate, mostly, people wearing warm parka in 30+ degrees in Kursk

[thin lotus]

the game needs more slow fog transitions, that'll defib the game for sure

[slate canopy]

.... so? Let people be dumb, easy white target. 🤭

[wind shore]

Yeah but when they are on your team, they spotting you also

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ I've left it on before... and I will wear the long coat in not winter maps.

[wind shore]

Sometimes it’s happens when you camping in bush or in area, and the guy running in white and you being spotted

[thin lotus]

it really doesn't make much a difference

[wind shore]

Coat it’s for autumn maps and winter

[slate canopy]

I wear it whenever lol

Because I usually forget to change my outfit

[wind shore]

Why don’t you wear your DLC?

[slate canopy]

see above

[wind shore]

Yeah what I meant, sometimes people forgot to switch, if they would be locked they gonna switch automatically to summer

[slate canopy]

Let people wear what they want. If I see my own teammates wearing white on a non-winter, I go "Hey, you forgot to change!"

[wind shore]

I’m also saying this

But it’s pretty ruins whole immersion when you see guys in summer maps in white

[slate canopy]

Not everyone cares about immersion 😅

[thin lotus]

immersively teleports behind you on a table behind enemy lines

immersively spawns out of box fallen from the sky

[oak current]

immersively gets to respawn after getting shot instead of the game uninstalling

[thin lotus]

immersively gets revived after getting hit with any number of rounds so long as it isnt your head

[wind shore]

It catches the eye, all those things

[thin lotus]

Any cosmetic, any location, any map. No substitutes

Lest you further grant them to nickel and dime you for map specific DLCs

$12 DLC playable only on Mortain? You have to be insane to think that's acceptable, and yet they tried to do it

[novel geyser]

Nothing like someone running around in a white uniform in normandy
I do love to tunnel vision target them out of spite

[past vortex]

its essential for the smoke

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[pine ember]

HLL just should have used the cosmetics from 2020

People care way too much about cosmetics

[void hornet]

lol wild Packet Loss issue on PC just now for me lol

[ocean sage]

Could someone recommend me a video that's gives a good explanation of how to read the map. By that I mean, to guess with high accuracy where the enemy is/coming from.

[night lark]

Dont need a video for that. Need experience.

There are only so many places on maps where you build garrisons, by that i mean you arent going to build garrisons in the middle of a field but if theres a compound/building/wooded area on a sector boundary youll probably get a garrison there. Thats the first clue. Second clue is look for a similar structure 200-250m away.

Listen for the sound of gunfire and try to learn what different guns sound like. Stuff like Thompsons, Mg34/42, M1919s, and PPSHs all sound distinctive. So if you are american, and you hear an MP40 then you can assume a german is there somewhere.

[ocean sage]

Yes, I completely agree. Some of other things that are important are: noticing that blueberries are dying in a certain vicinity, and looking at where enemies are traveling from. I've noticed that the majority of people go straight towards the point before attempting to flank.

There's also again the aspect of experience, you've played the map hundreds of times and by a certain point you begin to remember where people generally place spawns.

For instance on I believe saint Marie Eglise there's a L shaped trench where people often put outposts

I'm introducing HLL to a family member, I'll just copy and paste this rather than sending a video

Furthermore, if you can see where blueberries are dying that allows you to use artillery without just blind firing

[real parrot]

Best advice I always use is, if there are no alies, there are enemies, specially in a conflict zone

[ocean sage]

That's right

[silk igloo]

You must have some degree of trust in your team, that they will at least hold the ground they're concentrated in, and go look at the suspiciously empty space

[dire zephyr]

Why is there another game coming when this one still has it's problems.... Are they just going to abandon this one after the next comes out?

[worthy charm]

I cant answer the first one, but they said in the Dev stream and the FAQ that HLL and HLLV are being developed by separate teams. So no they wont drop it.

-# yet

[novel geyser]

They say development will continue for hll ww2 for how long who knows

[wind shore]

How many games HLL going to release in their franchise

[pine ember]

No one knows yet

Hopefully some day a modern Setting

HLL 2025

[wind shore]

GTA 6 is on modern setting

1 year in GTA Online = 1 real life year

• getting stuff and inventions, which appeared after 2013

cars, things

@pine ember if you want modern setting - live real life, why do you need to simulate irl

[pine ember]

No thanks

[night lark]

You cant yell alluha ackbar and shoot an RPG 7 v2 at a Humvee IRL if youre a westerner

You can however do it in Squad and its v fun

[pine ember]

Thats true

The debate should rather be about war games in their entirety

[finite berry]

Why play a war game when you can do real war in real life, amirite

[past vortex]

ofc you can

[cosmic pilot]

I'll remember this next time I visit Germany

[night lark]

Can if you believe in yourself

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-wonka-strike-that-reverse-it-gene-wilder-gif-10729625890313559943

[past vortex]

and only once ofc

[covert elbow]

Why ask for more immersion and grounding game mechanics when you can just go fight and die in a real war, amirite?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

this man gets it

[wind shore]

But why do you want to simulate others life’s then

[thin lotus]

Simulates spawning on a table

[covert elbow]

It’s funny how you think you have a point with that statement

Like with that logic why give guns recoil? Should just allow tanks to fire full auto tank shells. Give scopes to every single weapon. Allow custom uniforms with modern day clothing and nicki manaj operators

Its an unnecessary comment that hasn’t contributed once

[worthy charm]

Finnland when?

[past vortex]

after pacific

[finite berry]

Finally, can't wait

[worthy charm]

After Poland?

[finite berry]

I'll finally get HLL for that

[cosmic pilot]

Italy + Finland

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/rtl-richterin-barbara-salesch-gericht-gerichtsshow-gif-5620786050611496600

[finite berry]

damnit, he caught me

[wind shore]

When HerrWilles in game?

[thin lotus]

Huh?????

[novel geyser]

erm what do you mean you want the game to be more realistic
erm what u wanna manage hunger and thirst and poop in a toilet or something 🤓

[wicked mango]

wsg

[lucid tusk]

YoU pRoBaBlY wAnT yOuR cOmPuTeR tO tUrN oFf AnD tHe GaMe To UnInStAlL wHeN yOu DiE iN gAmE

[pine ember]

Why do you simulate the deadliest and Most brutal conflict humanity has ever seen?

[wind shore]

I know it was deadliest and brutal conflict, but it was 80+- years. People who lived there, might have don’t know about the game and don’t care about it

It’s well done game

[wind shore]

Cause this was ended 80+ years ago, if WW2 was still going on, I think I wouldn’t play it

[thin lotus]

What a dumb discussion lmao

[wind shore]

Would we play WW2 game if WW2 was still going on?

[finite berry]

This has to be one of the dumbest questions I ever had the displeasure of reading

[silk igloo]

the answer is yes

[past vortex]

awesome idea, medics could hand out toilet paper

[pine ember]

Decide between playing war Games and dont playing them. The era it is set in doesn’t make any difference

[worthy charm]

Do you think cereal is a soup?

[twin galleon]

this game has ben so its the best one

[night lark]

there a game where you can be a drone pilot in ukraine, it has players

[pine ember]

I think he won’t Like that

[worthy charm]

Scream if you love Ben.

[pine ember]

🗣️

[covert elbow]

I bet you also want to have weapons jam and tanks break down where you then have to manually clean your weapon and repair your tank 🤓

[worthy charm]

Not all tanks obviously, only the german ones.

[covert elbow]

Of course of course

And Sherman’s should just explode when they get shot with a single bullet

[pine ember]

Please

Ronson always Burns

[wind shore]

Can we get the ability chewing bubble gum in Hell let Loose Vietnam war? Like soldiers did

It was local Bubble gum

[novel geyser]

t34s can have their turrets explode off if you shift the gear too soon

[covert elbow]

You also freeze to death inside of them on Kharkov

[pine ember]

When do we get the Maus? That thing was in War Thunder too

[worthy charm]

Never

I prefer the ratte anyway.

[gentle lintel]

Put your ratte away

[empty steppe]

Naaah whip it out

[real parrot]

Ratte woudl be one shot by satchels if added

[past vortex]

ofc

[empty steppe]

insert Death Star blowing up gif

[trail raptor]

anyone wanna ppaly? ill do any class

i have no friends

plz

[lost shuttle]

How long does it take to fix something in this game usually ?

[frail heart]

Probably not, I'd probably be called up and fighting.

[frail heart]

6 years

[pine ember]

Fun fact, back in WW2 you had games and toys inspired by the war

So this whole „Uh it’s a current day conflict so just play it irl“ Argument doesn’t make Sense at all

Better just dont play war Games at all if that is a Problem for you

[night lark]

Depends on the problem

[lost shuttle]

Like level archivments not working

[night lark]

If its reported it should be a pretty quick fix

[lost shuttle]

That problem exist since July and I alone know already 4-10 people who reported it

[glossy echo]

When is the next dev brief

[worthy charm]

[past vortex]

lol

[wind meteor]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyy

FONZ is back

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/fonzi-eyyy-hey-eyy-gif-1252050656591228095

[slate canopy]

Dark mode makes that emote rough

[covert elbow]

Dude people have reported issues and it took years for a fix. It’s not fast

[worthy charm]

"fast" is relative.

xD

[covert elbow]

No, it’s not

Fast is like within a month

1-3 months is average

3+ is slow. Especially when it’s a supposed “hotfix”

[wind shore]

[past vortex]

if they dont fix it at all then fast or slow doesnt even apply :D

[thin lotus]

T17s “fast” is relative

[pine breach]

[gray garden]

Except this game is permabroke

[glossy echo]

How soon, a day or in a week or two

[worthy charm]

enough

[vernal jetty]

[desert owl]

Best answer

[empty steppe]

Yeah lol, they should be like arrowhead and whip it out in like 3 weeks 😭😂

But no 🥲😭

[covert elbow]

Tbf arrowheads updates have been getting pretty buggy

But so are HLL’s so what’s even the point anymore

Just relaunch the game in HLL:V’s engine already

[worthy charm]

You know how likely that it.

Maybe 2027 😅

[pine ember]

New Stalingrad looks so good, hopefully it will be played way more often than the old one

[thin lotus]

Eternal SME, SMDM, Utah Beach rotation

[pine ember]

Just so sad to See

Game has like 25 maps yet only 5 are Only played

I consider myself Lucky when I See Hürtgen as the next map

PHL, Hill 400 and Foy aren’t Seen at all anymore

[tired ingot]

Likely depends on the server, we have all maps and will see PHL, Hill 400 and Foy everyday. Still plenty of SME, SMDM, Utah is voted in to play.
I believe some servers rotate comp maps, or just main the safe popular maps.
Totally agree though, don't want to play the same 5 maps, it's nice to have the variety

[worthy charm]

I played a round of elsenborn yesterday. That was crazy, 2nd time ever I got to play the map.

[past vortex]

omfg where are you playing

i get thats regularly (but ofc less than others)

i kinda hate Else because its a map where you really need to switch to winter clothes :}

[tired ingot]

It can be super hard to see enemies on Elsenborn, everything is white and grey 😅

I play on an OCE Australian server

[wheat crag]

Does anyone else feel like AT is way too oppresive?

[azure heath]

Don’t forget Carentan

[past vortex]

no

[native marsh]

does hell let loose use CBL

[slate canopy]

CBL?

[native marsh]

Community Ban List

[native marsh]

im from Squad, and in squad if you get banned from two servers because some petty narccissistic admin doesn't like you, you are then added to a third party list, which then bans you from 75% or more of the server list. all because maybe one bad admin group. And the devs get more money from people who buy more copies of the game to hopefully escape but then make the problem worse. since CBL was introduced a few years ago, atleast 500,000 people have been put on it. 99% of them never cheated. some of them said a bad word. most of them had an argument with an admin. You could be in a random server that doenst even have CBL turned on, minding your own business not causing issues, and some admin can show up, judge you based off your CBL history and then ban you on the spot, or goat you into teamkilling them and then ban you on the spot out of spite and then gaslight you in the discord if you try to help yourself. rinse and repeat.

[slate canopy]

I mean they can choose to use their version of a CBL.

[native marsh]

not cool, people love to smear people reputations because they cant physically harm them

[slate canopy]

It's called Barricade, and they can use it to report players and send said report for saying "We're XYZ server and we banned this person for insert reason here" which includes proof.

Usually they are stuff of CLEAR cheating (video required), or if they said a lot of racism or harrassment or team killing (with screenshots).

Each server has to choose to use that report to ban on their server.

[native marsh]

the problem is with the admins, 99% of them are going to abuse that list and smear people's reputations with glee

[slate canopy]

Are you sure of that?

[native marsh]

I could not tell you the amount of times I have been goated into TKing just for the jerk to either file a complaint to the admin, or be the admin themselves being wildly disrespectful

[slate canopy]

In Hell Let Loose Or Squad?>

[native marsh]

Squad

[slate canopy]

You can't say it's the same in Hell Let Loose. 😬 I know a lot of the stuff they ban for are legit and like I said it's each server to decide for themselves.

[native marsh]

Its the ones who sign up to be the literal "video game cops" who I can't trust a single bit to be fair

when they have that much power over people's experience

[slate canopy]

I mean, are you saying racial or derogatory slurs? Hacking? Cheating?

[native marsh]

in squad you will find cheating bans handed out all the time but never any cheating.

[slate canopy]

I'm asking if YOU do it.

[native marsh]

Ive never cheated or hacked, but yeah ive called someone a name before

[slate canopy]

I'd suggest not using bad words (as in slurs, derogatory terms, whatever like that, not just "You suck!") and you should be fine 🤷‍♀️

[native marsh]

im just argumentative with authority figures

and yes I curse a lot I cant help it

[slate canopy]

Swears aren't the issue.

[native marsh]

being argumentative with admins is a quick way to get banned and then slandered

and then gaslit in the discord

[slate canopy]

Are you calling people say... the n word, f word, r word?

[native marsh]

thats beside the point, your assuming something

[slate canopy]

It's not the same as saying "This game fucking sucks" or "You play like shit"

[native marsh]

Most of these admins are willing to kick someone out of the match for misspelling their squad name if they want that vehicle

jsut to take it

i call out unfairness every time and they hate it

their double standards

[slate canopy]

How do you think I feel when I'm vote kicked from a server, not by admin but by fellow users, because "I'm a woman"?

I'd say make 0 assumptions on the servers and their admins in Hell Let Loose if you've never played on them.

[native marsh]

in squad there is no vote kick, I see your issue, boys are out of control and you can hear it in their voices

[slate canopy]

However, if you decide to play on Official servers, and not community servers, you're less likely to have a communitive team and more likely to deal with cheaters since they don't have moderation teams for the official servers.

Too many official servers for them to try to moderate, so you'd have to deal with it or leave the server.

[native marsh]

watch out for the Gage app employers and managers are using to "rate" their employees on a social credit score scale, for other employers to see. They claim themselves to be the "workforce community" to then be able to excommunicate people from said community, getting more popular these days

[slate canopy]

....huh?

I don't know what you're talking about.

[analog apex]

..."some admin can show up, judge you based off your CBL history and then ban you on the spot, or goat you into teamkilling them and then ban you on the spot"...
Then don't get them lure you to start TK-ing. I have been TKeyed or intentionally friendly fired upon countless of times in all my HLL years and I never fired back once. Because I know it would make my case worse, it could invalidate my eventual adminReport and/or make me punished as well as the original TKer. Instead, I just make a clip, send it to the admins and there it's clear who did what without any need to fire back at the TKer.

If everybody followed the formula, I am sure the innocent players would have no problem. Because once the players start TK-ing back, they are no longer innocent... right? At that point it's not the admins who smear the reputation, it's the players themselves that fire back at the TKers.

---

In HLL we have no site like Squad's CBL, but we have a discord called Divisions bunker where the communities share the bans & evidence when needed (so based by the evidence the other HLL communities can ban a player before he even enters their server), so the principle is probably similar.

[native marsh]

ultimately it's unethical to share factual or infactual information about someone in your server to all the other server admins and owners. I can't imagine anyone doing that other than to gossip. This system leads to hundreds of thousands of players being locked out of almost all the servers. These admins and owners need to stop using their rules as lawfare and stop with the double standards and hypocrisy. I know it's 100% not just a squad problem because now ALL of the major online FPS are doing it.

[native marsh]

sure there are justifications for it, but they dont outweigh the massive amounts of innocent people that have their money be worthless for the game they paid

[analog apex]

Well, nobody cares about the gossips, every shared ban without proper evidence gets usually ignored by other communities.

[native marsh]

don't kid yourself, you know it's a slippery slope

and games werent like that before just a few years ago

[analog apex]

What do you mean? If there is a solid evidence of any wrongdoing, then ofc. it should be shared and other communities should ban such a player.

[native marsh]

"wrongdoing"

[native marsh]

how would you feel about employers using a third party app to rate you on a scale of how hard you work etc?

do you see the connection im making?

[analog apex]

This is not work, this is not real life, this is a game. In work, an employee doesn't dare to go out of the line as the players in game do.

[native marsh]

your not seeing the connection here

[analog apex]

Because there is none.

There is a connection if one wants to compare apples with schnitzels.

But they are not comparable.

[native marsh]

im not the most articulate man in the world, but im sure someone smarter than me can spell it out

[analog apex]

Oh no worries, I see how you mean it, I just disagree with that connection being present altogether.

[native marsh]

privacy is going away in mass in every industry in all resources

principles of inclusion have led to exclusion

[analog apex]

What does this have to do with privacy? I will make you a comparison for connection of my own now... if a state imprisons some criminal, doesn't it share the data about him with other states they could go to?

[native marsh]

when the video game cops become literal and you could literally be jailed for calling someone a bad name in a video game then you can make that comparison

but soon data harvesting AI will bring up employers my CBL history as its totally public

[analog apex]

Nobody is jailing anybody in games, they get only banned for their actions.

Calling bad names has a name too... toxicity. And that's one of the valid reasons for admins to act upon and punish.

[native marsh]

toxicity is code word for hate speech

[analog apex]

Nope. Toxicity is also when one is being unecesarilly and persistently annoying.

...among other things.

[native marsh]

if if someone's hurt feelings over a word is a valid reason for anyone to be punished then you get totalitarianism

hurt feelings are nowhere near objective

[analog apex]

Again, this is not real life. When you are joining a community server, you gotta know that the community owners are paying for that server and that they can have whatever rules they want. You break them, then you expect a punishment.

[native marsh]

there's that word again "community"

people can make whatever rules they want on their own server, but when they go out of their way to gossip about someone for "breaking the rules" and goes to ruin their reputation they are demonic

[analog apex]

You want to be safe? Pay for your own server. There you can do whatever without anybody banning you even if you woudl be calling people bad names. But I am unsure if your server and yourself would get any positively popular. Most likely not.

There are some basic principles that are expected to be followed even in the virtual environments - and that is civil conduct and being polite.

[native marsh]

is debating with you uncivilised and impolite? would you ban me for speaking to you this way?

would you make up a rule to justify doing so?

[analog apex]

Of course not. But I can't know what you did or didn't in your history or what the reasons for initial bans were. You mentioned calling admins names or TK-ing back... so I expect those. And I would have banned you for those too, if I was an admin of the server.

[native marsh]

right, well then your going to have to ban everyone and enjoy a server full of goody-two shoes and cowards

[analog apex]

Not the way it is in reality I have witnessed in all my years.

That's a made up excuse.

[native marsh]

i see it every day the way people scream for their admin the second after they goat someone into tking them

[analog apex]

You can't call server admins names and expect no punishment. Like in what world are you living in?

Or to TK them 😄 .

[native marsh]

it's called double standards and hypocrisy

[native marsh]

I would not ban someone for tking me even on purpose or for calling me names

[analog apex]

...only by your personal opinion about the topic.

[native marsh]

that is true that is my own view

im sorry I dont mean to be pretentious I jsut want the truth, and I am ceertain that the truth is true for everyone

[analog apex]

Anyway, how the heck did we get here, I didn't expect this to become a full-blown argument. I simply wanted to state that if one is polite & respectful, doesn't TK or do any negative stuff, can't expect to get banned. And that we have a similar system of shared bans in HLL.

[native marsh]

its controversial IMO

more than 500,000 people are sitting in the squad CBL

idk about the HLL black list but I just hope to not run into the same system in HLL vietnam

[analog apex]

Imo it works just well. But I don't want to restart this discussion to get into another circle, so despite I just disagree, I will say nothing more.

[night lark]

Communities share evidence with eachother and blacklist players

Its a good system. Means genuine cheaters or toxic players get pushed out the game

[native marsh]

its a bad system. and more often than not admins abuse the rules to harass people minding their own business.

[native marsh]

there are many more ethical ways to deal with such problems than excommunicate a total noob from being able to play 75% of servers at the click of a button

[night lark]

Sounds like you did something stupid and got banned tbh

[native marsh]

there you go, exactly somehting stupid, and someone like you found a good enough reason to attack them ruthlessly

[night lark]

Dont be toxic or have an awful attitude and you wont get banned

[analog apex]

That's another topic - nobody is saying you can't make a ban appeal if you got banned and feel it was injustified. And if you have evidence it was injustified or if the admin harrased you, you can report him the same way, can't you?

[native marsh]

"toxic" and "bad attitude" is anyone who disagrees with you

[night lark]

“Attack them ruthlessly” you mean ban someone who uses racism or homophobia from the server i pay real money for

[native marsh]

the same admins who hand out the bans for no good reasons are the same ones to gaslight you for trying to fix it

[native marsh]

nice, no you attack people who subscribe to a different ideology to you

party politics in gaming!

[analog apex]

So now you claim that all the admins are one organized group that just harrases people? If that was true, maybe even the devs themselves would intervene.

[night lark]

All bans are evidence based. Screenshots or recordings

[night lark]

If that ideology is exclusionary of people im friends with and play games of HLL with regulary then yes. F_ck em. Get banned lol

[native marsh]

for the most part yeah. im sorry but yea. I dont see anyone else signing up for such positions usually

[native marsh]

look, if someone doesnt want them in their squad and kicks them thats fine

[night lark]

I dont want them on my server that i pay for. If you dont like it keep your shtstain ideology to yourself

[native marsh]

look, calm down and maybe see things a little differently

[native marsh]

i dont like party politics or idealogy

[native marsh]

they pay for the game too

[night lark]

Shock horror we also ban people with nazi dog whistles or genuine communist tankie nonsense too

[native marsh]

?

[night lark]

Do not care. Go play on official servers.
All community servers are paid for by other players

[native marsh]

im trying to invite you to care

[analog apex]

yes, the players paid for the game too but the server owners are paying monthly the whole time. And the players need to acknowledge some house rules when they enter the server.

[native marsh]

"just comply"

[night lark]

I dont care for the well being of toxic or cheating players

[native marsh]

quite demonic I must add

[covert elbow]

When pacific

[night lark]

You do not have to play on community run players. You can stay on official ones

[analog apex]

By joining the server you are agreeing to its rules. You don't want to comply to the rules? Don't join the server.
Easy.

[native marsh]

its the whole "hate speech" thing

[night lark]

“One set of rules for thee and another for me” is this guys attitude and its stupid

[analog apex]

But toxicity and "ruthlessly attacking the admins" no matter what reason, is something that anybody would give you a ban for.

[native marsh]

that is your attitude exactly

[native marsh]

??

[analog apex]

I can't say I disagree yeah.

[native marsh]

everyone calm down and get a drink

[night lark]

It isnt. Every server has a rule about not being toxic. Shouting the N word or being homophobic is toxic so dont do that. Pretty easy lol

If you want to go shout slurs at people go play on official unmoderated servers

[native marsh]

shouting any other word isnt """"toxic""""?

[native marsh]

where does this end?

[analog apex]

depends on the context and the word each time

[native marsh]

call me a cracker

call me a hillbilly uneducated white boy

[night lark]

That is a slur and would be banned.

[native marsh]

thats unethical

[night lark]

Tbh what is your steam ID? I want to ban you already for whinging

[analog apex]

I haven't encoutnered "cracker" term yet so no idea what it means yet 😄

[native marsh]

theres your problem surfacing from below

[night lark]

Unfiltered sarcasm?

[native marsh]

its not sarcasm at all i just dont think you get it

I hope you never become a city cop

[analog apex]

likewise

[night lark]

My last comment was sarcasm. And no, i dont get why you are whinging tbh. Are you mad thats there are consequences for using slurs on game servers you do not pay for?

[native marsh]

im sorry, I dont slam people to the ground and detain them for callimg me a dumb name

im mad at the current moral culture we find ourselves in nowadays

i prefer morals from a hundred years ago

the ones we jsut abandoned all the sudden for false ones

[night lark]

Morals from a hundred years ago mean i could probably get away with a lot more than banning someone as a consequence for them being dumb

[night lark]

Sounds like you called someone a slur and got banned and now you are having a moan and a whinge

[native marsh]

yikes, what a simplistic take

[analog apex]

You may not be offended subjectively for being called a bad name, but you can't objectively assume everybody thinks the same. If a cop noticed a brawl and (mis)assumed it's just a few friends fighting for fun and ignore them, it doesn't mean the brawl doens't need to be stopped.

You the same are misassuming things here and the cops/admins always have to be on the side of keeping the order and not on the side of their subjective misassumptions.

[night lark]

It isnt that complicated. You are whinging about the consequences if your actions. Er go, you have felt those consequences.

If you think that is hard idea to grasp then boy, go do some self reflection

[native marsh]

you are on a power trip

[native marsh]

while having no power, so just a trip

[analog apex]

this borderlines with being delusional

[night lark]

Mans mad you cant called black people the N word now

[analog apex]

I am becoming like... 😶

[native marsh]

my brother gained a good friend who was black, walked up to him and called him a ni to his face

[native marsh]

that black kid died in a lake and my brother mourns him deply

[night lark]

Nice storey i guess. “My dead friend was black so now i can use slurs” is not the moral of the storey

[native marsh]

you will take whatever from the story you want

spin your web spider

[analog apex]

The context is always needed to be considered. If you are a friend with such man and both sides know they don't mind such namings in your **__closed __**environment, nobody can stop neither of you. But if you call such names somebody randomin a public space, don't expect the situation of usage of the same word to go the same way.

[native marsh]

you both are missing the point im trying to make

you shoudlnt take name calling seriously

thats cowardly

[analog apex]

It is taken seriously. It is called being impolite when such naming are used in public against random people.

[native marsh]

I know but theres a line here

[night lark]

Mate all im doing is taking your statements to a logical conclusion to make fun of them because there is no substance to your opinion or argument.

You are simply upset you cant call someone a slur without consequence. And while in principle i do agree that name calling doesnt need to upset me, it does upset people who play on the server i play money for and they pay money for

[native marsh]

"you are simply upset you cant call someone a slur without consequences" brother im trying to speak up against a system thats leached its way into every facet of my life even video games

[night lark]

You are not entitled to play on any server you want to because they are community run.

If you want to have your cake and eat it, go to the server hoster company, give them a couple hundred euro a month and have your own unmoderated server. Literally no-one is stopping you

[night lark]

You mean a system that doesnt tolerate slurs?

[native marsh]

enough about servers, im talking about morals

[native marsh]

slurs is like calling canabis mariguana

[night lark]

What 😂

[native marsh]

slurs are just bad words, that all

just name calling

[analog apex]

At this point I am not sure if you are truly believing the (rly deluded) stuff you are saying or if you are just trolling. And again, real life is not video games. You won't get jailed but sure expect to be banned if you will be consistently impolite against admins or anybody else, retaliate or do other negative stuff persistently.

It's how it is, it's how it was and it's how it always will be.

[night lark]

And that sometimes upset people, which means if they pay for the platform and game server you are name calling on they will ban you 😂 are you just stupid or trolling?

If you dont like it go pay for your own server and let people use slurs i guess

[native marsh]

as time goes on the line between simulation and reality gets thinner and thinner.

you may think creating a system to excommunicate almost all the gamers from being able to play because they have to muzzle themselves for you snowflakes is harmless now, but wait 10 years

[night lark]

Well no it really doesnt because things like legislation and laws exist and in real life that is what decides what is an actionable offence and what isnt and, at least in my country, the threshold is pretty high for something being an actionable offence.

[analog apex]

I think it's a waste of time on this discussion anymore. The man believes he should be entitled for being safe from being punished for being impolite by calling people names and being toxic as a result. And that the admins should not be entitled for getting rid of such misguided people in their own server.

The whole idea behind it is so plain openly wrong...

[native marsh]

you guys are still stuck on this whole toxic hate speech must be eradicated bandwagon

why cant you just take a joke?

[analog apex]

calling random people names in public in the server is not a joke, nor can't be considered/presumed so

[night lark]

Youre the joke here and we are tolerating you

[native marsh]

you may think creating a system to excommunicate almost all the gamers from being able to play because they have to muzzle themselves for you snowflakes is harmless now, but wait 10 years

[analog apex]

"snowflakes"?

[night lark]

“Almost all gamers” is such an exaggeration lol. Nearly all gamers do not infact use slurs

[analog apex]

no politics here, it's out of the line completely

[night lark]

Whats this got to do with banning people for using slurs and being toxic on game servers?

[analog apex]

no politics here, it's that rule clear enough for you?

what are you talking about now?

I think now you are earning another ban mate... from here.

[night lark]

I think the consequence stick got him

[native marsh]

just log off if im hurting your feelings straight up

straight up just go do something else

[ornate python]

There is a ton of charged history and context that transforms words and the meaning they hold for people. You are free to pay for your own slur server and welcome whoever you want to it and enforce no tyrannical decency policies lol

[night lark]

Are you mad that consequences exist or other peoples opinions exist?

[analog apex]

Now I am not surprised if you happen to be banned on multiple servers - if you go against admins with the same kind of illogical thinking, I understand all very accurately why you would be banned.

[native marsh]

im mad truly that people have confused good for evil and right for wrong

[ornate python]

You want to force people to associate with you and your unpleasant ideas.

Ahh yes “we have lost the plot. Morals are gone. Can’t even say the n word without people deciding they don’t wanna play with me” lol

[night lark]

On no, slurs are bad now.

[native marsh]

when you create a list to blacklist someone off of every server because you dislike them you are worse

worse than them

[analog apex]

blacklists are being made with evidence agaisnt all individual people

[native marsh]

dont matter

[night lark]

Womp womp. Go make your own server and dont black list people

[native marsh]

whats the truth?

[analog apex]

and tell him feel free to call people names in there with slurs, I am sure they will "love" his server 😄

[ornate python]

It’s called consequence culture 😇

[native marsh]

its called petty culture

for petty people

[night lark]

Objective truth doesnt exist in this debate because it is subjective when you are talking about what is reasonable and what isnt.

The consensus today is that slurs are bad. Im sorry you feel that is wrong (i dont)

[analog apex]

no, it's called being polite and respectful

[native marsh]

you keep calling them slurs but anything can be a slur

[ornate python]

With historical context yes

The one you are obsessed with has a ton of it

[native marsh]

and its not even about slurs either as much as you want to make it

[analog apex]

as we said, the context and the words are important

[native marsh]

you all keep spinning webs and narratives

[night lark]

This is incorrect. Slur has a definition

[night lark]

You mean reading the dictionary?

[ornate python]

Get a job loser and pay for your own slur server and say whatever you want

[analog apex]

What's gonna be next? Claiming the Earth is flat because you subjectively don't see the sphere from your 1st person PoV?

[native marsh]

you all would indiscriminatley ban if there were no rules against doing so

you would make up the rules just to ban whoever you want

replace ban with the word kill

[analog apex]

no, banning is based on morality and rules alike
no injustified bans

[night lark]

Nope. I would make a set of rules with my clan and apply them with some discretion to create a non toxic atmosphere in our game server

[native marsh]

thats nice on paper

but in reality, those admins act like porky pig cops

[night lark]

Its what objectively happens dude

[night lark]

What were you banned for dude. Who hurt u

[analog apex]

then I am sure you have evidence

[native marsh]

breathing too heavy

[night lark]

In a game thats PTT? Call me a cynic but im dubious

[native marsh]

no wait i probably called out a pos admin on his bullsh and he didnt like me so he slapped a ban on me for "toxicity"

and then that pos inhabits multiple servers

[analog apex]

I would love to see **how **exactly you called him out. If using the same logic like here, well... 😄

[night lark]

I know for a fact admins dont take time out their day unless you did something worth checking out so what did you do yo earn the attention of an admin?

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

[night lark]

Bet i can 😂

[native marsh]

obviously you cant 😂

[analog apex]

Using this gif suits your situation so well - the (fictional) character on the GIF was living in his own world and own ruleset as well... and he got what he deserved too for it in the end.

[night lark]

You actually have to say what you did to garner an admins attention to test that mate

[night lark]

Its quite ironic these people have zero media literacy

[native marsh]

Do you read?

[night lark]

You said “breathing heavily” was a reason but since the game is PTT i am dubious that was the reason you gained the attention of a game admin

[native marsh]

how about shooting a howitzer cannon?

and them not liking it?

[night lark]

Okay? In what context

[analog apex]

exactly what I have been wondering about too

[native marsh]

at the enemy.

[night lark]

You still havent given the reason why that was a bannable offense? This vagueness leads me to believe you were doing it during seeding

[native marsh]

do you really think that admins are just such pure angels?

[analog apex]

ofc they are not all the same, but in general they are always doing what's best for the server. It's in their own interest and in interest of the server after all.

[native marsh]

or how about the one where I questioned his placement of his cannon so he instantly perm banned me

[analog apex]

No admin of any major clan will go out of the line anywhere near hard.

[native marsh]

or that time...

[night lark]

Yeah most of the time they are. Some can be too strict imo and discretion exists but i very much doutb using the artillery in a normal game was what got you banned

[native marsh]

I could go on but honestly i smoke too much weed to remember anything

[analog apex]

there I would be interested in the way HOW you told that to him and what words you used

[native marsh]

no he called me a waste of space and ammo, and then took my ammo, goated me into tking him then instanly perm banned me

[night lark]

You cant “take ammo” from AT guns or artillery

[analog apex]

but surely you have some concrete evidence of at least one situation, right? If they happen so much to you... you gotta have some video.

[native marsh]

my computer doesnt even record audio in game anymore its bugged

theres just too many instances to count and i smoke too much weed

[analog apex]

now this is a very cheap excuse. It's not even about "your computer". More like about you.

[night lark]

And tbh if you were goaded into TKing someone than thats your problem 😂 maybe calm yer ham and go touch grass

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/never-not-sike-you-thought-shannon-sharpe-gif-13950022

[native marsh]

just got back from a mountain hike thank you very much

[night lark]

So you were banned for an intentional TK on an admin because you lost your rag?

[native marsh]

oh thats jsut one stupid thing

[analog apex]

it seems you need another one then 😄

[analog apex]

that's not a stupid thing, that sounds like justice

[night lark]

You have multiple bans? Oh boy. Id love to tease these out of you to arrive at the reasonable conclusion as to why you were banned

[native marsh]

and agin most of these admins like you, waive around the ban hammer and use the rules to be a tyrant any time of day

[night lark]

You mad you intentionally TKed someone and got banned?

[analog apex]

Now I am certain. You indeed ARE delusional. What do you think the rules exist for?

[native marsh]

why you always trying to make everythng black and white

and put words in my mouth

gaslighting

[night lark]

Because that is how rules work. You did an action and it had a consequence. There is no wider moral conundrum to consider here

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-has-to-follow-protocol-pc-principal-south-park-season23ep03shots-following-the-rules-gif-19444359

[analog apex]

It's not black and white. Even if a man gets banned, he may appeal depending on the severity of his transgression.

But if you would happened to argue with an admin while calling him names and TK him, don't expect mercy.

[night lark]

The irony is you werent even banned for using a slur or using words you think are harmless.

You team killed someone

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/crumblek00kies-k00kiesnmilk-gif-10108247619157469857

[native marsh]

HORRIFIC

OH GOD SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

[night lark]

Ahhh hes having a crashout now

[native marsh]

HE TEAMKILLED SOMEONE

[night lark]

All that yapping for hours about slurs and words and he was actually banned for an intentional TK.

Amazing

[native marsh]

never again shall he find another server to settle in, may he wander restelstly game to game

[analog apex]

and against an admin xD

[native marsh]

bro ive recieved bans for every little petty thing under the sun cus of petty mfs like you

[night lark]

Its quite funny isnt it

[night lark]

Bet you havent

[analog apex]

yep ... funny and sad at the same time

[night lark]

Maybe if he wasnt buying so much weed he could host his own server

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-i-break-rules-for-fun-mfs-seeing-the-mods-go-online-deadpool%26wolverine-deadpoolandwolverine-hulk-gif-547564653055894193

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-chocolate-factory-sorry-rules-of-the-house-those-are-the-rules-gif-14983231

❤️

[night lark]

Ah theres the crashout. Its like a child having a tantrum

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-12653815188825185409

[analog apex]

I don't think we can expect him being reasonable... he seem to have a problem with recognising good and wrong, in relation to the rules administration.

[native marsh]

good and wrong lmao

[night lark]

Anyway, this conversation as met its logical conclusion. Time to go sit in Voice channels and ban people for unfriendly words

[native marsh]

rules have nothing to do with good and evil. right and wrong don't exist, theres only good and evil

ask jesus

[night lark]

Oh boy. Hes been of the ganja a bit to much i think

[native marsh]

according to HIS community he was toxic and a hate speaker

[analog apex]

it's the same kind of stuff... doesn't matter what combination of words you use... good or wrong, good or evil - it always applies to everybody, the admins and the players alike. And the admins are there to act upon it.

[native marsh]

jsut call them video game cops

[analog apex]

as I said faaaaar above - if you have evidence, you ofc. have to report the admin too, along with the evidence.

[native marsh]

i was talking about jesus and the scribes and pharisees and the justice system of his time

[analog apex]

In any case, the abuse of admin power is not frequent at all. The server owners don't like it as it may get the reputation of their server down.

While you are saying most (or all all?) the admins are evil and are hunting for "innocent" players for fun.

[native marsh]

I like history, I read lot's of history from many books. I know "people"

[analog apex]

What does general history to have anything to do with this... I fail to see.

[native marsh]

thats what they always say

[analog apex]

or more like... I see what you think you see, but I disagree

[native marsh]

I have heard it too many times "It's just company policy" "sorry thems the rules" and "I was just following orders"

thats how you know I would not have been a nazi

thats how I know

Philosophy, as I have lived it is to ask all questions deemed abominable by "morality"

[analog apex]

that's why one needs to consider also morality as well as the rules (and morality of those rules as I stated further above again).

In your gaming case - do you find it morally OK to verbally attack an admin or other players or teamkill them? If so, you are the very "evil" you are looking for here.

You jsut need to look into the mirror when looking for it.

[native marsh]

consider the context of the infractions

[analog apex]

always

[native marsh]

morally ok, is a far leap from evil

[analog apex]

it was you who mixed them together (and combined rules with "following orders"), not me

totally misplaced ofc.

For instance - if you would be given an order to teamkill somebody in game repeatedly, you have freedom of not doing so, unlike in reality where there it is much more harder and complicated. And if you do it in game, you have to expect a response from the admins too.

You just compared apples and schnitzels again when you mixed rules with company policies and with following orders and even with nazism... totally out of place in our gaming context.

[pine ember]

Tbh I often forget that
the map even existed

Even though its new and doesn’t Look that bad

[native marsh]

I know my history and I see unusual connections and comparisons to interpret the now and future. when rules start rolling out from a culture that is totalitarian in nature in everything down to even the most smallest fractals of reality gets invaded. Everyone starts believing in lies wrapped up in truth. These are scary times. Privacy is almost non existant. I cant help but to fight for every last inch of ground and to not fall back

[silver gyro]

Yo dawgs my medical license got revoked because someone caught me selling snake oil at the saloon. Now no hospital will hire me anymore??? This is democracy manifest

[native marsh]

free speech is everything

[analog apex]

Everyone starts believing in lies wrapped up in truth.
Sorry but you definitely seem to be doing just that very thing yourself.

Privacy is almost non existant.
If one is a criminal, he has no right to privacy in terms of the police not gathering info about him for the record. And the same goes for the rulebreakers in game.

I cant help but to fight for every last inch of ground and to not fall back
Do feel free to fight, but in this specific case and based on what you said before, you misfired a big deal.

[native marsh]

you could be a rule breaker and a criminal any day now

[analog apex]

Server admin naturally cares only about what happens in game in their server.

Once again... you are mixing apples and scnitzels for the Xth time.

[native marsh]

forget the servers

im talking about culture

which encompasses the servers

[analog apex]

Why? The topic is server admins being suposedly abusive. I don't care about the culture in general when the topic's different and a very specific one.

Nor do the server admins.

[native marsh]

Ephesians 6:12

[analog apex]

Mate, it's as easy as this... you join the server -> you read its rules -> you break them -> you get punished/banned. That is how the justice works. You want an environment without the rules? Join official (unmoderated) servers.

[native marsh]

i know it doesnt matter what we have to say here about it

[analog apex]

It doesn't matter what we say either (in terms of personal opinions ofc.) - it's justice.

[native marsh]

Ephesians 6 12

[analog apex]

pls don't try to get Bible stuff in here. Server adminning is only about breaking rules and punishing the rulebreakers.

Totally misplaced once more.

[native marsh]

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

[analog apex]

I did read it. And I say it has no place in the topic.

You break the rule, you get punished. Bible verses won't help you.

[native marsh]

jesus broke the rules, and yes he did get punished by men

[analog apex]

This honestly is starting to beg for the attention of discord admins in here.

[native marsh]

you okay?

[silver gyro]

Truly wise words AK105MM aka “Meatslapper98”. You are a modern prophet without compare. My eyes have been opened.

[analog apex]

You are talking about something totally out of the topic. And totally out of gaming topic either.

You want to discus philosophy or religion? You should find a correct place for it, this is not it. Your topic was (allegedly) abusive admins and server rules. Draging the Bible and Jesus into the topic is strange to say the very least.

[native marsh]

I just compare history

[silver gyro]

You are being taken for a literal meatspin Sam

[analog apex]

It doesn't matter a single bit to the topic at hand - nor the history, nor the comparison. It's just a totally misplaced thing.

[analog blade]

Can we expect another pte before update 18 launches? Or just a pte for update 19

[analog apex]

From what I have read or been told, the tanking people were not much satisfied with the changes except for the different tank speeds on different terrains which seems was received positively. So another tweaking and yet one more U18 PTE would probably make sense.

Not sure if we are getting any though...

The thing is that apart of the speeds, any other armor changes were allegedly not even noticeable. Even the tank weakpoints were not (re)introduced to my (armor-limited) knowledge.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-read-reading-grimoire-frieren-gif-15148018160711399897

What I miss

[analog apex]

I am not a tanker primarily, but I rly hope the tinkerer loadout is not the main thing they mean to make the armor overhaul with. The same as many other peeps said before, the tinkerer just doesn't fit HLL at all and I hope they will scratch that idea away.

[pine ember]

What the hell happened here?

[covert elbow]

Apparently the bible

[night lark]

TLDR

Someone’s mad you cant use slurs without catching a ban on game servers.

Turns out they intentionally TKed an admin and are salty about consequences. This caused them to start quoting the bible.

[native marsh]

nice narrative web spinner

[analog apex]

but it's the accurate summary of your statements

[native marsh]

it's extremely reductionist and misleading

[native marsh]

someone says free speech and someone has to say "he wants to say the N word!"

[analog blade]

Yeah next time a change log would be very helpful for PTE so we know what we are actually testing.
I wonder what they are doing with our feedback. The new handling of the tanks, specifically climbing objects was by far the best change I’ve seen in the last PTE.

[analog apex]

calling people N words has nothing to do with freedom of speech

[native marsh]

is hate speech free speech?

[analog apex]

what kind of question is that omg

[native marsh]

lol

[night lark]

Hes a free speech absolutist because he doesn’t like consequence

[finite berry]

Unpopular fact, but yes. Outlawed for a good reason, but the answer to that question is yes.

[native marsh]

no, not good reasons.

[finite berry]

Not gonna start discussing that, just stating a fact.

[native marsh]

im a free speech absolutist because im not hypocrite trash that's two faced

[analog apex]

this guy however doesn't care about the facts, he lives in his own world

[night lark]

Sounds like copium for “i cant call people slurs without catching a ban (or a right hook)”

[native marsh]

getting banned from one server is one thing, but putting them on a list to have them banned from every server is another

[analog apex]

if one community knows about a bad guy, why shouldn't the other community get to know about it to prevent him from even entering? (if proper evidence provided)

[native marsh]

you think your an angel?

[analog apex]

let me check... no I don't have wings 😄

[night lark]

Why is it a problem that cheaters and toxic players are made known to server hosters? Like why should i as someone that pays money for a server not have the right to blacklist people with evidense?

[native marsh]

because you can easily, very easily abuse that system to wreck noobs for calling you a bad word

[night lark]

The system isnt a abused. Your mistake is thinking everyone has the same level of mental competency as you who probably would abuse it

[analog apex]

of course... I can take criticism, but using bad N F and other words deserves a ban

[native marsh]

everything deserves a ban

[analog apex]

one can be critical and polite at the same time - if one can't do it, yep ban it is

[native marsh]

when all the servers are private and abide by the blacklist, and all it takes is one admin to put a noob in that list thats wrong

[night lark]

Do you understand the word “Evidense”?

[analog apex]

there are official servers in HLL (nonCommunity hosted without any admins), I suggest you to play there

but expect there will be cheaters too as they know nobody can ban them there

[native marsh]

does not matter one bit, evidence for a minor infraction doesnt justify much

[native marsh]

i Play squad

[analog apex]

why are you here then?

[night lark]

It does matter. You are disregarding it because it sinks your argument

[analog apex]

then go discuss this to the Squad discord, not here

[native marsh]

they banned me for it

haha

[night lark]

Squad has the same system lol are you stupid? Squad server hosts also share cheaters and and toxic players. I know because my clan ALSO had a squad server lol

[analog apex]

and if you continue, I am sure you won't be far from being banned here too 😄

[native marsh]

continue doing what?

[analog apex]

right xD

I told you to look into the mirror before, get one and you will maybe notice

[pine ember]

Embarrassing

Some people just behave like in Kindergarden

[native marsh]

well i dont go taddling on everyone'

like you people

[night lark]

You dont own a server so why would you?

[analog apex]

For starters, if you are talking about Squad specific topic as your main topic, then you are breaking the rule on HLL discord.

and you are persistent in doing so

[native marsh]

im just responding

[analog apex]

to what? Nobody cares about Squad here.

[native marsh]

and you mfs keep coming bringing it back up

[night lark]

My brother in christ you started this conversation like 4 hours ago

[native marsh]

and you started it back up again just now

[native marsh]

and you will again not long after I leave to talk smack

[night lark]

Someone asked a question. You didnt have to reply. Man no wonder an admin was able to goade you 😂

[analog apex]

Nobody mentioned Squad before you did. Nor the politics, religion and philosophy. You brought all those topics to the table. Wrong table.

[covert elbow]

Man this is a weird day in the HLL server

[night lark]

Jesus christ, put the weed down and learn some self control and not take stuff so personally. Its mental thats someones philosophy is “words are just words they dont hurt” but still responds and takes the baits every single time.

[covert elbow]

I do love a good public bashing though

[native marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/you-there-trump-yes-pointing-gif-18606605

mannibus is typing...

[covert elbow]

Oh oh! There it is! The trump gif!

[native marsh]

mannibus is typing....

[covert elbow]

Who cares about that, this is more fun

But I guess I’ll ask the question

When pacific

[analog apex]

never heh

it seems so

[covert elbow]

Awh

[night lark]

Theres literally about 5 hours of it.

Opened my discord on my phone taking my 0630 poop and yeah. He was at it

[covert elbow]

I want to kamikaze plane on American trooop

[covert elbow]

Okay but that sounds like to much scrolling and i don’t want to do that

[night lark]

Its not worth it bro

I reckon we will get pacific after Vietnam because they will port all the jungleness back to HLL ww2

[covert elbow]

Okay but like

[analog apex]

the closest kamikaze you will get will be with some helicopter in Vietnam

[covert elbow]

I’d not pay attention if HLL was a good game

So until then this is how I enjoy the game

I also just finished my book so I don’t have that either

[analog apex]

I don't think so. All the new/Vietnam assets will be probably optimised for UE5 and would require more work for getting them to UE4.

[covert elbow]

No we won’t, don’t be daft

[night lark]

Its such a big shame you cant remote detonate satchel charges because its be fun putting some on a kubelwagen and driving it into a tank

[covert elbow]

In all seriousness adding the pacific would be an awful idea

[night lark]

You think?

[covert elbow]

Unless they put a full development team onto the game and we get more then 2 maps a year, yes

[night lark]

@worthy charm the bot isnt botting btw. How do you reset the counter?

[covert elbow]

The Soviets desperately need more and the British are basically dead in the water until they get more stuff

[covert elbow]

That isn’t a bot. The mods do that

[cyan saddle]

?counter

Damnit

[night lark]

Need a bren carrier for the brits

[covert elbow]

It’s !counter

[analog apex]

you broke it! 😄

[covert elbow]

We also need a German subfaction for the Brit’s

Bren carriers aren’t doing anything against the Germans until they get a rebalance

But yes, we do need it

Stupid halftrack

[night lark]

Dont we have that with the DAK? Or do you mean for Driel and subsequent maps?

[covert elbow]

Driel

Until the Europe Brit’s Vs.Germans get a rebalance like North Africa there isn’t much point adding new maps for them

[pine ember]

What would you change though? The current German loadout is fine for 1944, and you can’t just take away the G43 and StG44 from mid to late 1944 maps

That’s why the best thing imo would just be the Brits for North Africa in 1942, the americans for Europe in 1944

[night lark]

I think you could probably remove or limit the G43 from a specific faction. Like maybe assault only. I actually dont think theyre that much imbalanced imo

There were 16million K98s and i think only 400,000 G43s. Its not that inconceivable to limit the german semi autos

Not that it needs to be changed as such, but the german faction in general doesnt represent the distribution of FG42s, G43s or STG44s very well

[thorn pelican]

boggles me that winter uniforms still havent been locked to the appropriate maps, snow suits in france lmfao

[lost pumice]

make presets

[thorn pelican]

not me, others

[lost pumice]

every server has trash ping for me atm

[covert elbow]

The G43 and STG aren’t to bad but they could definitely be toned down. And the sheer amount of MP40’s in game is insane

[pine ember]

The MP40s need to be reduced

[covert elbow]

The Germans are made to balance the U.S. Not the Brit’s and the Soviets

There’s a reason people have asked for subsfactions for years

Just giving people more automatics makes the game worse imo

[pine ember]

But I wouldn’t cut too many G43s and StGs since the Wehrmacht got almost a million of these in the last two years of the war

[analog apex]

still doesn't prevent the players from using them on summer maps

[covert elbow]

Side note, fix the G43’s reload to actually use stripper clips please

[lost pumice]

there's 3 presets. shouldnt be forbidden for what clothes u wear

[covert elbow]

It’s still weird and makes the gun strong with how it uses the mag

[covert elbow]

Tell that to the 90% of players

[analog apex]

it should - on summer maps there should be zero winter uniforms

[night lark]

Mostly on the eastern front and the STG it was issued by company or by battalion. So actually it should be either the whole team has STGs or none do

[lost pumice]

that said they should be more customizable. id like to have white pants and dark upper if possible

[covert elbow]

The real fix is to have an option for mirrored uniforms so everyone else has what you have set on your account

[pine ember]

Yea true, but that’s hard to replicate

[covert elbow]

That was a pipe dream by planners. In reality STG’s were sparsely given to a few men per combat group

[covert elbow]

And that includes overcoats

[pine ember]

Some Units actually got fully equipped with them

[night lark]

Usually just the rifleman in an assault company

[pine ember]

But it never replaced the Kar

[covert elbow]

Like I said, a pipe dream made up by planners who don’t understand how that would work

[night lark]

Anyway, the germans never did have the number of automatics and semi automatics as they do in the game.

But that can easily be solved with sub factions tailored to specific battles

[covert elbow]

I know what your referencing and that didn’t come to fruition

[covert elbow]

God I’d love map specific loadouts

[covert elbow]

*squad leaders

[pine ember]

Yes and no, as usual, it’s pretty complicated. It originally was meant as a MP40 replacement, and later it was intended to replace the MP40, G43, Kar98 and partially the MG. Some Units actually got a big quantity of StGs, whilst in other it only replaced or accompanied the MP40. But the goal of 128 divisions to get fully equipped with this weapon was never reached of course

[analog apex]

👍 which would however break the loadout/progression system and would need an overhaul too (it does even today anyway heh)

[pine ember]

The demand for the gun was pretty high though, almost every soldier that knew it existed wanted it

[analog apex]

just like in games 😃

[pine ember]

It’s a modern assault rifle against pre deluge bolt action rifles

Of course everyone wants it, simply because it’s Miles better in most cases

[night lark]

Its funny that the UK actively avoided automatic weapons for rifleman because the theory was there would be unnecessary ammunition expenditure

Took until 1985 for the UK to start issuing a select fire infantry rifle

[pine ember]

That was also the concern of many conservative officers in the Wehrmacht

[night lark]

I guess for the Wehrmacht there was some validity to it because 8mm Kurz ammunition and magazines were a bottle neck

[pine ember]

Yea, it was a problem too since it required a new cartridge, and adopting a new cartridge in the middle of a world war can be risky

It’s surprising that the weapon was finished Only in 1942 when the cartridge was there since 1938, the demand since 1923 and the idea Even Dating back as far as 1892

[covert elbow]

Think the Italians did that when they started to get bolt actions. They still had the rifleman load the weapon single shot so they wouldn’t waste ammo

[night lark]

The German Army had some pretty unrealistic wants for how the weapon system should be designed. Not having any gas port and tap drilled into the barrel being one.

The usual scumbag nazi ego bureaucracy also didnt help

[pine ember]

I dont think that was an issue with the StG, rather with the G41

[night lark]

Been a while since i read/listened to any content with it however in sure there was some shenanigans when designing the STG44

[mellow knoll]

I point to my post about this matter.

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1405158881872576584

Best way to do it without restricting people too much.

[pine ember]

There were some, but that was not a problem for the StG

The Problem was that it was too new and many conservative Generals in Germany didn’t get the Concept first, including the painter

Imagine yourself as a 50 to 70 years old officer in the 30s and 40s, you grew up with single shot and bolt action rifles which were innovative and effective when you were a soldier yourself, and then someone comes around with a select fire, 30 round rifle that uses an intermediate calibre

[covert elbow]

That’s why we should have stuck with swords

[solar slate]

So the old men don't get confused?