mess-hall

[stray sapphire]

they cant be on 1965 anymore

[desert owl]

M60s?

[misty iron]

they can remove them still

[magic dune]

considering the Vietnamese can build tunnels for ambushes and the plethora of possible options for the commanders now, I'm pretty hype for it

[misty iron]

id rather they do later war, but if they REALLY wanna stick to 65 for whatever reason

[stray sapphire]

i just think they have more assets for the later years than 65 atm

[misty iron]

then they could just pull some stuff out etc

[stray sapphire]

but we will see

[misty iron]

they do from whats been shown

[slate canopy]

For now, everything is speculation unless specifically show or spoken/typed about. 😅

[desert owl]

Ouuuu, rat holes. Please. Please!

[vagrant shale]

you can build tunnels?

[misty iron]

not a fan of the m203, would rather have a designated grenadier with the m79

[vagrant shale]

or are they in the same place every time on a map

[magic dune]

They confirmed that we will be able to build tunnels

official

[slate canopy]

"Build tunnels as the NVA and deploy your forces in stealth to ambush the US Armed Forces."

[vagrant shale]

o thats so cool

[desert owl]

Much love

[stray sapphire]

yea they dont even have an xm148 either

[slate canopy]

From the HLL Vietnam page.

[worthy charm]

*on steam

[misty iron]

i mean i doubt all the content has been shown, but yeah

[stray sapphire]

not like it matters

shouldn't be in 65

[misty iron]

hope we see some patches 🙏

101st larp would be sick, hamburger hill

[magic dune]

yes I like how they're leaning into the asymmetric warfare

[hushed sequoia]

I look forward to VOIP breaking, an all-time classic

[misty iron]

25id, 9id, etc

[slate canopy]

GO TO SLEEP. 😂

[desert owl]

Makeshift 1911s for Vietcong?

[slate canopy]

I mean, fair since US gets helicopters. lol

[vagrant shale]

when in 2026 we talking here? early? late?

[worthy charm]

NEVER!!!! 😆

[stray sapphire]

i dont think they have vc promised yet

[worthy charm]

You cant make meee!!!

[stray sapphire]

only NVA/PAVN

[slate canopy]

Don't make me... tuck you in and give you a warm glass of milk.

[gentle lintel]

Don’t tempt me with a good time

[stray sapphire]

homemade guns were often a vc thing

[worthy charm]

Nothing known yet, but maybe they say more on the dev stream at the end of the week.

[maiden girder]

I don't know why studios bother even putting out release dates in advance anyway since they never stick to them.

[vagrant shale]

nice

[stray sapphire]

just an estimate

builds hype for most people

[vagrant shale]

im hype

[slate canopy]

Reminds me, I should find the one post I reference that's related to that...

[misty iron]

i hope the rto actually gets a role, calling in mortars etc

i dont remember how it was done in the last hll

[young rover]

The devs will add anything other than the pacific at this point

[misty iron]

i feel like youd be better off playing squad 44 for that

[slate canopy]

Give it a chance, since it's... ya know... not even out yet 😛

[magic dune]

Honestly, maybe this is an unpopular take, but I'd probably be more interested in them adding the Italian front. Squad 44 already has Japan. HLL doesn't have to copy them. How many games have done Italy?

Plus, they'd already have several usable assets for it

[slate canopy]

They may? 🤷‍♀️ We still have HLL.

[magic dune]

Yeah I didn't mean more interested as opposed to making a new game. I know it's two distinct teams. I just mean Italy > Japan

since someone made a Japan comment

Pacific war still cool though

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[wind shore]

I JUST HEADSHOT TWO FRIENDLYS WHAT DO I DO

I CANT AIM WITH THIS STUPID MG42

[magic dune]

congrats on 2 headshots

[wind shore]

I’ve literally only gotten 5 headshots

I’m so bad at this game

I’m coming for you vietnam

[wind shore]

Wait guys, haven’t heard it? What’s about Vietnam? Is it realising new game?

Wait what? Vietnam?

[wind shore]

Yes

It’ll be tuff

https://youtu.be/JzYzYNVWZ_A?si=26imhmPcP9-AU1vW

You meant this one?

It would be new game, not DLC

[magic dune]

I really wonder what the differences in commander options will be? The US commander will get jet strikes, missiles, napalm, etc. But what would the NVA commander do?

[wind shore]

THEERES THREE MEDUCS ON MY TEAN LETS GIOOOOOOOOOO

vro the Americans are literally camping my dead body

HEAL ME UP WHITE BOY

[novel geyser]

not sure how symmetrical they will try to make it, rising storm 2 gave the north some unique command abilities like an ambush deploy which force spawned all dead teammates on the commander, anti air missiles to counter southern air power and an artillery barrage that was explosives and white phosphorus
If they truly lean into the asymmetry then the NVA will likely have better defensive abilities while US get more offensive tools

[wind shore]

holy qwacke moly

easy red 2 guy

[novel geyser]

is good game

[wind shore]

WE LOST RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAHAGAHAGAGAHAGAHAHAGGAGGAGAGAGGRGEGEGEGEGEGEEEGEGGEGGRGRGRGRGRGRGRREE

I’ll be a good boy for viet nam 🙏

[slate canopy]

Let's not spam like that, k? 🙂

[wind shore]

😢

2 infantry kills(team kills)

OHAMA BEACH

[empty steppe]

Wait… so how far is too far with spamming?

Like… how many characters

I wanna number 🗣️

[slate canopy]

No.

[wind shore]

Flarp

[dusk vapor]

I hope it's gonna be the US marines instead of army

[magic dune]

Steam page says 19 roles. HLL only has 14

🤔

[slate canopy]

for Vietnam? Yes, more roles.

[magic dune]

yeah I was trying to think on what they'd be, but now I see it lists them

[empty steppe]

Prob both lol

[magic dune]

Master 19 distinct battle roles across 6 battlefield units, including:
Command: Commander.
Infantry: Officer, Rifleman, Assault, Medic, Support, Machine Gunner, Anti-Tank, Engineer.
Recon: Spotter, Sniper.
Armour: Tank Commander, Crewman.
Helicopter (US only): Pilot, Crewman, Gunner.
Mortar Squad: Spotter, Support, Gunner.

[dusk vapor]

Marines had that shi on in nam

[slate canopy]

Mortar may be added to current HLL, not sure.

[empty steppe]

I’m afraid nothing will relieve ninjas pain

[slate canopy]

We can only hope to make it better ❤️

[steady vessel]

Ware alpha/beta/Early Access sign up? @slate canopy

[cosmic pilot]

i can't wait
i can't wait to play redzone garrison whackamole in dense vegitation

[slate canopy]

Unknown yet. Maybe wishlist the game?

[wind shore]

the medics are just going away from me

😢

[wind shore]

‘ware’

[steady vessel]

The real question is how compatible will barricade be with Vietnam. How many people will be automatically banned by the end of the week on release LOL

[slate canopy]

Whooo knows 🤷‍♀️ Can't do anything with it until more information known

[wintry copper]

man could this mean a ww1 game to the franchise 😏

[echo karma]

I watched trailer. I was more impressed with winter warfare ngl

They're taking all the things they want to do in hll and doing them in a new engine basically. So tell me again why they bought the ip?

I.e. we're never getting mortars in hll

[rough flame]

w hll vietnam thats where the content has been going lol

[misty belfry]

WHO WAS GONNA TELL ME ABOUT VIETNAM

[magic dune]

go to Vietnam. They can tell you all about it

[snow storm]

poop

[misty belfry]

they dont like us 🥹

[slate canopy]

Asin the game or the country?

[magic dune]

Tenet trying to be a passport bro

or he just discovered there's a country called Vietnam

[opal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/smells-like-victory-apocalypse-now-gif-5656800

[frosty hedge]

Yep i already know ill go through 50 controllers playing Vietnam, if u did not know where ur gonna get shot from in ww2 HLL

its gonna be worst in vietnam

bamboo traps too

[round anchor]

@opaque gull #telegrams its legit and im happy asf

[opaque gull]

OML

First bf6 and then HLL V

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[covert elbow]

Maybe, or maybe they don’t add them to make HLL:V different

[round dome]

@slate canopy give me whatever role adds me into the secret Vietnam channels

[slate canopy]

Channels and Roles.

[sick mango]

Will HLL Vietnam be a new game or dlc?

[analog apex]

Maybe they do not show them there, but they haven't been doing them either. So far there were no reasons given to be optimistic about those topics.

[past vortex]

new game

[analog apex]

Team17 is so superlucky - relatively without any effort their games just don't and won't have any relevant modern competition.

For HLL, a lot of us were expecting **__Resolve __**to be a mix of SQ, SQ44 and HLL in a WWII setting with some unique stuff too. Playtests looked great, also thx. to the UE5. It was a next level experience and a great chance to replace both HLL and SQ44. But Resolve changed direction away from WWII and only God knows if it will ever be released in any form anyway.

At the same time, the **Vietnam **fans were expecting Burning lands as the successor of RS2, also developed in UE5. But obviously with the lead dev jailed and rest of the dev team leaving, it's clear that this game won't ever be likely released either.

Team17 is so stupid lucky... they have no competition, so no matter what they do and no matter how good or bad in terms of quality, the players will always be forced to play just their game if they don't want to play anything old or old-looking. And so in cases of both the eras (WWII and Vietnam) the devs will never be passively encouraged to deliver good quantity nor quality. HLL1 development has already showed that much to us. It's so bad situation on the market right now...

[coarse ermine]

IM READY FOR VIETNAM

IM READY TO HEAR BUSHES AND TREES TALK

[sullen summit]

I hope there are Australian forces too

[coarse ermine]

RAHHHH

[lament bison]

https://tenor.com/view/friendly-gentleman-vietnam-amir-good-fortune-gif-25445435

[coarse ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-coppola-robert-duvall-duvall-colonel-kilgore-gif-21519376

https://tenor.com/view/motherfucker-barnes-platoon-vietnam-war-gif-22446620

[lament bison]

Lowkey

[coarse ermine]

I’m so keen

I play Vietnam based games on Arma 3 and rising storm

[lament bison]

all hate will go away once its released

seeing lots of why no pacific

[coarse ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-13170560

[lament bison]

all gonna be ok once we in the jungle

[south flicker]

WE ARE GOING TO NAM BOYS

[coarse ermine]

siri play creedence - running through the jungle

[south flicker]

if there isn’t napalm I don’t want it

[coarse ermine]

I need to be a door gunner

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-jacket-get-some-door-gunner-vietnam-war-shooting-gif-14754393188104690097

[lament bison]

there is both naplam, and door gunning

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-rain-gif-20837045

[coarse ermine]

RAHHHH, we need fortunate son playing 24/7

We need creedence

yes Vietnam war music playlist on repeat

Need some running through the jungle playing

[lament bison]

$$$$ to get those licensed officially but im sure in proxy chat we'll be hearing it 24/7

lol

[coarse ermine]

Siri play the Rolling Stones - paint it black

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Creedence Clearwater Revivial

[rose tapir]

Vietnam is a better choice imo

[lament bison]

hell yeah i agree

[cosmic jasper]

I’d imagine pacific will be soon

If Vietnam is coming pacific couldn’t be much different

[rose tapir]

both will increase the likes of hll

will be fun as can't wait

[cosmic jasper]

I still want Poland 😢

[misty belfry]

illl give it 3 days this will go from spam -> meme -> votekick anyone who plays it

[misty belfry]

game bro

[coarse ermine]

It’s a classic

im running through the jungle.

[analog turret]

I want Finland

[cosmic jasper]

Fr

Or Italy

[analog turret]

We were promised 2 years ago

[cosmic jasper]

I doubt we’ll see Italy or France

Poland Finland and Japan are more likely

[cosmic jasper]

I’m pretty sure that was before the devil opera switched so it may have setback awhile

Developers*

[analog turret]

Fr

[somber bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/tropic-thunder-suck-my-unit-unit-supposed-to-be-a-unit-argue-gif-10895437683387751236

[stuck ivy]

we are so looking forward to this. played so much of Vietcong and this i hope will scratch that itch. hope there are tunnels etc.

[snow storm]

ghost sounds

[solemn crystal]

I see the trees, the trees see me and they’re speaking Vietnamese

Love the reveal trailer but we wanted the other pacific theatre that happened 20 years prior 😂

[midnight nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/lorax-mil-yardas-guerra-mirada-gif-13888453674091285794

Napalm 🔥

[coarse ermine]

Low-key want a pacific so I can be Japanese and yell “TENNOU HEIKA BANZAIIII!!!”

[coarse gazelle]

all that vietnam arma has prepared me for this moment

[hallow lichen]

You guys clearly struggle to work with HLL on its current engine, and its spaghetti code why not just remake HLL WW2 on UE5 and focus on improving the game with quality of life changes and more weapon systems. Everything IN HLL currently is clunky with the way things move and interact with the environment. You could make so much more money and please more of your community if you follow this path. Having destructive environments and functioning vehicles is what will please your customers. i think it would be a top 5 game for next 10 years paratroopers, planes, destructable environments, functional tanks and tank destroyers. Development on the game is so slow that maybe my grand kids will get to see it.

[steep garnet]

It’s not their faults, the code is abysmal it would probably need a full on remake to achieve anywhere close to what people want.

[hallow lichen]

That's what would sell

just make people repurchase the game in UE5

[graceful agate]

Just seen the hll Vietnam...
They used the same folk for the trailer as 'that' trailer from before dint they....

[steep garnet]

Vietnam will do well, and with the new movement and systems in that game could see the other team doing a UE5 overhaul eventually of HLL.

[steep garnet]

Idk , but that trailer was miles above that other one lol

[graceful agate]

Miles above yes, but, still looked like a fan made trailer! Was not anywhere near as lush as unreal 5 could make it, so for a 'reveal' it felt..... Odd....

[hardy oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-williams-good-morning-vietnam-announce-gif-13819820

[steep garnet]

They used UE5 for the cinematics, I think it tbh was the filter they had on it. It had a type of combat looking footage filter on it.

[graceful agate]

Wasn't even the combat footage,
The video didn't strike me as unreal 5, the animations were a bit... Odd.... If I did not know better I would have thought it was a really good fan made unreal 4,
In fact, when I first saw the video it was not on an official outlet and I dismissed it as a fan made trailer.

[coarse ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-gibson-broken-arrow-vietnam-vietnam-war-we-were-soldiers-gif-923356995682291729

[dusk quarry]

engine does not dictate the animations

engine is just a tool for building the game

its also one of the most foliage heavy titles Ive seen for a game of this scale (large scale multiplayer), so idk what you mean by not lush

[silk igloo]

Who was it that directed BMs trailers of their crew? The eastern front one was especially gorgeous

[analog apex]

Gorgeous is a matter of PoV - I for instance disliked that trailer... the music just didn't fit WWII in general.

[exotic oasis]

Good thing its Vietnam than

[analog apex]

?

that sentence structure is strange, I don't get what you mean :/

[silk igloo]

you ever listen to red army choir?

[analog apex]

my bad, that was another trailer I guess

[stark agate]

🍿 just here watching the split of a small player base in 2026 which kills 1 game

[silk igloo]

No, they only had one eastern front trailer, but I think the music fits very well

[analog apex]

I meant a different trailer overall

still... the music could have been chosen better nevertheless, as well as the too fast editing

instead of 1 scene each second, there could have been more slow approach, telling a story... not the jumble of images

[silk igloo]

It's like a showcase of what's in the game and how a match goes. USA comes in with boats and helis, contact is made with the enemy, commander uses his air strike ability (to clear the objective) but is ambushed by NVA with their tunnels

makes me wonder if USA has HQs at all.

[analog apex]

Misunderstanding... I didn't mean HLL2 trailer, I don't care what they put into that one.

[silk igloo]

oh right. there's not much of a story there (in the eastern front), just vibes with the great music

[drifting ridge]

It would be a good idea to give "Veteran" HLL backers the chance to play the game during closed alpha - beta, just a little something to bring them back and possibly invest in the new title as well

[manic rock]

For Vietnam can I play as my great uncle who was a dentist in country and fought the never-ending war against tooth decay?

[robust lion]

still waiting for both

[civic pulsar]

guys, is it still a possibility that the developers might consider adding the pacific front? maybe in the future

[novel geyser]

if they truly live up to their promise of not ditching the ww2 game then I suppose there is a chance

I was convinced there'd never be another game but now anything is possible I suppose

for better or for worse

[analog apex]

yep, a chance... and in no less than 6 years

with the current HLL(1) dev pace

---

it's clear where their priorities are, look
HLL2 - 6 starting maps right next year
HLL1 - only 2 new maps per 1 year

considering the Soviet and the British have a deep deficit of mapCounts, those need to come first... at least 12 new maps for those already existing factions... at least 6 years

afterwards, and only afterwards... we can think of any other faction

otherwise the existing factions make no sense creating if each will have just 2-3 maps

[nova pivot]

Im sad, they are letting us down

They added everything we were asking for years to the new game

Mortars, dragging even a tutorial

They just want a quick money

[analog apex]

they are indeed - instead of gathering all the forces to make HLL1 at least relatively bug-less and feature-rich, they decided they will put new people in another game

[past veldt]

Company wants money

More news at 11

[topaz lodge]

think if the game sells poorly or does badly

[nova pivot]

Of course that is how a business works, but there are more honest and consumer friendly ways of making money

[worthy charm]

Thats not something bad to be honest.😅

[past veldt]

Like?

[worthy charm]

Would they have to close the Studio it wouldnt be much better

[past veldt]

Not sure how more honest you can be than just releasing a new game

[novel geyser]

5 years pop culture nam references in the HLL community

[nova pivot]

Probably if that happens it wouldn't change the state of the game much, in the end they practically don't care.

[finite berry]

Honestly, with how big HLLV will become by the looks of it, I genuinely can't see it fail

Question is how many people it will drain from HLL1 (not just temporarily) and what HLL1's support will look like

[night lark]

So since this isnt a S44 competitor will you play it

[finite berry]

No

This never was the argument to begin with

[worthy charm]

I can understand why you feel like you are, to be honest I would have prefered them fixing Hll or even just doing a Hll2 in WW2 and giving everyone who own the first game discount, but sadly thats not the most best way for them I guess.

It may just be me but doing a UE5 game isnt a bad thing at all, Im not a great fan of vietnam but it most likey will be great. If it wont then nothing chages I guess...😅

[finite berry]

I didn't play HLL because I probably simply wouldn't have enjoyed it because of how much I like Squad 44; and because I didn't want to split my time between two games this big that offer a similar experience

And I'm not interested in Vietnam

[night lark]

Fair. See tbh, i find Vietnam more interesting than ww2

[finite berry]

I'm more interested in WW2 😄

In case Squad 44 indeed dies at some point, I'll probably switch over to Squad

[nova pivot]

Same 🙋‍♂️

[somber bronze]

Guys hell let loose vietnam is going to be the best thing since Rising Storm Vietnam

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-resistance-la-resistance-resistance-ethtrader-bronuts-gif-10648068928539505194

[jaunty belfry]

GOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAAAMMM!!!

[civic pulsar]

dont get me wrong, I love the idea of Vietnam setting with HLL gameplay, but I feel the WW2 setting is incomplete without a pacific front with an Empire of Japan faction (and maybe australian and new zealand cosmetics for the US soldiers

[cosmic pilot]

Reset the counter

[night lark]

Squad is very fun but its a bit more complicated than s44 in that there is just more to coordinate

S44 doesnt have that much weapon variation. Gun is gun, AT weapon is AT weapon. Squad has like 3 flavours of ATGMs

[finite berry]

Honestly, Pacific is bloody overrated

[finite berry]

Yep, I know 😄

But I at least already know how squad composition and FOBs work etc

Anyway, if we're lucky, Squad 44 doesn't die at all and I can stay there :D

[jaunty belfry]

Squad 44 felt very clunky for me when doing anything. I really love the tank aspect, but playing it feels wrong

[finite berry]

Clunky in what way?

[worthy charm]

Everything

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-shut-up-costume-gif-12848670

[gray garden]

Yeah, I subjectively feel too that getting into it.. But HLL is also running in molasses simulator and objectively has less that you can do in it with inf in terms of movement/weapon control so..

[civic pulsar]

so youre saying you wouldnt like to see Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc, on HLL? with historically accurate uniforms, weapons, artillery, etc

[finite berry]

Yes.

I just don't care as much about the Pacific

Gimme Italy or Finland or France 1940 or Poland 1939 instead

[civic pulsar]

the only thing we have "similar" to the pacific theater is Battlefield V, and every kid is wearing an elite character skin.... or using gold weapons, etc, which is why I never player that game anymore

[worthy charm]

To be honest italy and Japan would be equally unbalanced.

[finite berry]

In HLL, perhaps

[finite berry]

There literally is Squad 44 xD

Less populated, sure, but it has Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima with a third map on the way

[civic pulsar]

didnt know about that game, gotta take a look

[jaunty belfry]

There is less to do, but it kinda feels natural to do all of what you can do.

[gray garden]

Pacific update? Vietnam is close enough

[jaunty belfry]

Kind of interrupting. Its long time since I have played it, but as I remember you have to toggle aiming, instead of holding, which made it feel wierd or similar things with crouching and laying down. I had trouble just moving and doing things

[finite berry]

Mhm, k.

[sick bramble]

Squad 44 would be the best game in terms of mil sim

but there is a catch

[finite berry]

Here is a warning, it has considerably less players compared to HLL and it can be hard to find a server depending on time and your region, but if you find a good match, man, it's so fun

[sick bramble]

no graphics with no fps, AA non existing with blurry effect

[finite berry]

On one hand, yes, on the other hand, it has slowly gotten better

[sick bramble]

they're trying to make it SQUAD more

[night lark]

For a time you couldnt reliable shoot out windows lol

[nova pivot]

When s44 for consoles?

[gray garden]

never

its not a game that could be translated to console

[dusk quarry]

HLL has been jank for a while. I think it's a good thing to make a new game from ground up. HLL has had a good run and a long lifespan considering, especially in relation to many other games. A studio can't survive off one game alone unless it's very microtransactiony with a huge player base. I'm looking forward to a new game, with new features, and hopefully an overhaul of the game mode. It's a bit hard to completely change things on an already existing game with an established player base. They've also stated support for HLL 1 isn't ending

[nova pivot]

We got arma recently, s44 is the next step

[gray garden]

Doubtful

[nova pivot]

And with T17 abandoning hell let loose s44 will be the most similar option

[dusk quarry]

They're not. But S44 is overall more enjoyable in my opinion. At least in both games' current states

[nova pivot]

"we made a new game with all the things you are asking for instead of adding them to the current game"

Sounds like killing the game for me

[dusk quarry]

You also gotta remember these guys inherited a game from black matter. Studio changes like this I can imagine cause lots of creative and technical issues. Also, how u been? Long time no see

[gray garden]

If over the last 4 years all that can be done to fundamentally update/improve the game is what has been done, I think it's a fair assumption that it's not possible to fundamentally change the basics. My impression is that the devs are hostage to the eternal tech-debt that BM left this project with and have to fight for every inch when trying to do reworks. Aren't tanks catapulting into the sky in the new PTE?..

I have been saying that the only way forward for HLL is a sequel for years now... And I think that's pretty self-evident for anyone whose knows the dev history of HLL and the limitations that legacy leaves the dev team with.

[dusk quarry]

This is what I mean. It makes sense for them to make a new game for that reason alone. Imagine saying Rising Storm was killed off because Rising Storm 2 came out. Are sequels and new entries not meant to be a thing anymore?

[gray garden]

Besides, WW2 is an oversaturated setting, there's no Vietnam game in UE5 yet.

[dusk quarry]

I think Burning Lands' initial hype and everyone labelling it as hell let loose but vietnam played a part in the ball rolling for HLLV

[nova pivot]

I would have preferred ww1... But Vietnam is cool too

[silent swift]

no good vietnam game since rs2

[gray garden]

Every UE5 Vietnam game in development has led to ruin thusfar. I think a corp with actual cash to throw around instead of an indie studio relying on hopes & dreams is going to make the difference.

[silent swift]

just copying rs2 and making it ue5 and 50v50 will still deliver imo

[dusk quarry]

I hope for true asymmetry between the factions

[gray garden]

I mean yeah, RS2 in UE5 with 50v50 and full vic roster (APCs, Riverine, tanks) would be a fire game

[dusk quarry]

I want playing on each faction to feel different

[gray garden]

My main concern is that actually, that the "HLL formula" is going to trump asymmetric design

[dusk quarry]

I also hope customisation is kept within subfactions. I want USMC uniforms not mixed with army etc. Customisation should still keep players uniform but diverse. I didn't like seeing snow camo and winter jackets, or even paratrooper uniforms on Omaha etc

[dusk quarry]

I expect them to rework the game mode a little bit to compliment the setting

[forest lintel]

north vietnam has to be a mechanized force for the HLL 50vs50 matches to work

[real parrot]

Can't wait to have invulnerable bushes on vietnam that stops M60

[analog apex]

They've also stated support for HLL 1 isn't ending
And as I said - as we can see 6 maps for HLL2 while 2 for HLL1 in a whole year is a clear signal where their priorities are.

[gray garden]

New maps aren't going to fix the fundamental problem with HLL, and the fundamental problems with HLL are unfixable. Move on.

[analog apex]

I have bean good, but could be better 🙂 .

[sick bramble]

legendary mortar teams XDD staying on suggestions for 5 years

[dusk quarry]

It would obviously be a smaller team working on HLL 1. Its literally no doubt their priority is HLLV. That's what happens when you make a new game... you can't expect a studio to make a new game and not make it a priority

[worthy charm]

Guys, whilst It not a problem, we got a seperate channel for the HLL:V talk over in #base-camp.
If you cant see the channel look into id:customize and get the role for it.

[analog apex]

that's the thing... they should not have decided to make a new game while the 1st one is half broken yet

[dusk quarry]

Ahh damn, hope whatever it is holding you back gets better soon then

[gray garden]

Again, it's unfixable tech debt. It's inherent to HLL.

[analog apex]

money money money... 😏 the usual stuff

[sick bramble]

imagine creating new game when old is un-finished

[dusk quarry]

As others and I said above. It might be hard to make the changes they want to with existing code. Game dev is not easy, especially after inheriting a game off another studio

I don't blame them for moving on

[analog apex]

so why the BS about putting their forces into untangling the code? Lies? Deception?

[dusk quarry]

But HLL has been around for like 7 years now. A new game is more than fair

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11341170073272671015

[gray garden]

An attempt isn't always successful.

[dusk quarry]

They probably have been. 2 things can be true at once. They could even be taking lessons learned from HLLV to bring to HLL 1 like tropical environments and mortar ballistics etc

[silent swift]

also a shame theres no hll pacific front

[dusk quarry]

This too

[cosmic pilot]

This

[analog apex]

I can't say in work I was not successful - if I have a task I have to get it done, sooner or later. No excuse.

[silent swift]

oh yeah, well i think i heard stuff like tunnels mentioned in the trailer

id guess mines and tunnels will be preserved for the north

[cosmic pilot]

Garrisons 🗣️

[dusk quarry]

Apples and oranges my friend. Can't compare your job to something else

[sick bramble]

0 days without pacific

[gray garden]

Well sorry, the arcane bylaws of game dev don't work that way. Sometimes stuff is just too borked to fix. That's most of HLL.

[cosmic pilot]

In their true form

[worthy charm]

Its also on the steam page. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3079210/Hell_Let_Loose_Vietnam/

Steam

Hell Let Loose: Vietnam

UNLEASH HELL IN THE JUNGLE
Enter the explosive conflict of the Vietnam War and fight your way through some of the fiercest clashes in modern history. Join the battle raging across an extreme landscape of vast mountain gorges and thick jungle, where the North Vietnamese Armies clash with the military strength of the US Armed Forces. Build tunnels,…

Release Date

2026

▶ Play video

[analog apex]

I am a SW engineer. The core principles are the same.

[silent swift]

yup

[gray garden]

They should publicly release HLL code just so we can put this argument to rest already lol.

[silent swift]

"dragging co-combatants away from active fire to give them a chance to heal and re-engage" 👀

[dusk quarry]

They should just shut down HLL1 for good

[analog apex]

And if something isn't done in the 1st sprint, it gets pushed to the other. If the task is a priority (and untangling the code very well qualifies as one), it can't be pushed aside.

[forest lintel]

i wonder if they make helicopters extremely complex, like DCS levels of micro controlling everything

[silent swift]

i hope its in the same boat of rs2 and arma reforger

[dusk quarry]

It can if there's no real gain to them doing it

[worthy charm]

Imagine they finally added swimming, now my guy doesnt drown in a puddle anymore.

[gray garden]

Sometimes computers defeat the indomitable human spirit.

[analog apex]

honestly, may be a good idea - at least it would encourage other studios to make a brand new WWII game

[dusk quarry]

Lmao. I feel ww2 has been oversaturated in recent years though

[finite berry]

this. It simply won't happen.

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/whaat-huh-minion-gif-14947920

[novel geyser]

depends on what recent years you mean lol

[gray garden]

Yeah, we already have our pick of the litter

[analog apex]

funny thing to say 😐 ... considering there are a lot of modern warfare games coming out every once in a while... feels more oversaturated than WWII

and yet Squad numbers looking good

[novel geyser]

back in like late 2000s sure but there isnt quite as many modern ww2 titles these days because of the oversaturation back when medal of honour was king

[analog apex]

yep, or CoD

[forest lintel]

HLL WW1?

[dusk quarry]

Modern warfare games will always come out, but ww2 was stagnant before HLL. Then we got PS/S44, Enlisted, BFV (which barely counts in my opinion), plus other smaller indie titles

[novel geyser]

and cod

[novel geyser]

wouldnt sell really

[worthy charm]

The game is old. Would someone release a new game now it would be obviously be better than HLL. Thats an argument that can be made with a lot of currently popular games. Thing is until that happen we got to either play the good ol´ Hll or S44

-# /s ❤️ u elise

[silent swift]

wouldnt mind any new ww2 stuff

[analog apex]

would play as WWII... who would be sitting in the trenches if they can try to flank around over and over

[silent swift]

looking forward for the ww2 mod in arma reforger to develop fully

[dusk quarry]

Guys GTA 6 shouldn't come out until they add GTA 6 features into GTA 5. They're abandoning GTA 5

[sick bramble]

not in russian frontline

[novel geyser]

gta5 is a finished game tho, HLL isnt

[worthy charm]

The squared maps would finally make sense. lol

[cosmic pilot]

Ehh, arma has a tendency to get bogged down by it's own self I feel

[dusk quarry]

Define finished though in HLLs context

[worthy charm]

Im sure 2028 will be a good year with GTA6

[analog apex]

if SQ44 moved to UE5 and use better faithful assets to fill the environments, I would move to SQ44 for sure... the gamey/old looking environment is the only thing I hate

[novel geyser]

actualy polished and well thought out game mechanics intended by the original devs who gave up and went 1.0 with unrefined placeholders

[cosmic pilot]

Any game released before about 2015.
Any game released before the invention of live service games

[dusk quarry]

? Squad 44 environments look great imo. So many maps and assets got improved from how they were

[finite berry]

Reminder that BfV, Squad 44 and (dependant on whether you count full release or early access) Enlisted are all older than Hell Let Loose lol

[dusk quarry]

The iwo jima map was especially pretty

[analog apex]

"live service games".... the worst invention of them all. Whenever the devs decide, they can turn the switch and shut the whole game down out of existence.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/love-pepe-gif-26394703

[gray garden]

Everyone, just remember. It's 2025, games don't get finished anymore.

[analog apex]

that too 😄

[cosmic pilot]

Who are you, and what have you done with the real comrade

[novel geyser]

HLL 1.0 was in 2021 and the game is still unfinished today

[finite berry]

That will only happen if the game gains 10,000 players over night and keep at least 2,000 consistently.

[worthy charm]

Im never gonna trust the good fun cooperation again for that reason. Not even if their new game can satisfy my Hunger for an Battleroyale game.

[cosmic pilot]

Mans spitting straight facts

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-gif-18932176

[dusk quarry]

Yes and no. It was in dev and in alpha before then. I've been there from before alpha testing

[finite berry]

This. The game looks much better than before.

[novel geyser]

[finite berry]

When did HLL's alpha start?

[gray garden]

"wait, it's comrade byers?"
"always has been"

[worthy charm]

2017?

[analog apex]

and of them, BFV and Enlisted are pretty arcade... that leaves just SQ44 and that is old looking

[worthy charm]

If not a bit later

[novel geyser]

but that trailer it looks so pretty I like the part where they ran really slow in a straight line and then had the most abysmal looking melee combat I've ever seen

[gray garden]

yes 2017

[finite berry]

Check

[dusk quarry]

Well yeah, true tactical games are a niche

[cosmic pilot]

Hll is an operational game

[analog apex]

more or less xD

[cosmic pilot]

Honestly why I kinda have hope for hllv

To be interesting

[civic pulsar]

Hell Let Loose is basically a PTDS simulator xD

[worthy charm]

Hyrum has hope, am I still on the same discord or did I got hacked somehow?

[analog apex]

I don't care about Vietnam, but if there will be a free weekend for it (I am sure there will be because... T17 😄 ), I will try just out of interest to be able to compare the features/mechanics.

[dusk quarry]

Not compared to other games. Squad 44 is way more PTSD imo. Their sound design is top notch

[cosmic pilot]

I am your number 1 hll shill mate

Shamefully

[worthy charm]

Huh?😂
What do you mean by that?

[gray garden]

Who knows, maybe in 5 years time we will be playing HLL 2. Not HLL Vietnam, but a reboot of the WW2 setting that can reach HLL's full potential.

[analog apex]

you mean HLL3 then?

[gray garden]

well its not called HLL2 it's called HLL Vietnam

[cosmic pilot]

I thought about it, and honestly the best way to go about it is to have separate games by theater

[analog apex]

cause Vietnam is HLL2 basically

no matter how they call it

[gray garden]

like the WW1 game series

[cosmic pilot]

HLL 1 being all of WW2 is in fact, too limiting for expansion

[gray garden]

also hype for gallipoli

[cosmic pilot]

Kinda

[gray garden]

Except that series has kind of split its game pop unfortunately.

[cosmic pilot]

It's a risk, which is the advantage of how hll works now

But if you wanted to have idk, 10 maps per theatre the game would be 1 TB large

[analog apex]

10 per faction is allright +-

[sick bramble]

Its the only reason why half of their game are dead

verdun dead, tannenberg dead, isnozo alive

[gray garden]

The WW1 series also proves that making a sequel allows you to fundamentally improve the formula and design of the game iteratively. 😏

[cosmic pilot]

The Germans, who get to be present on 30 maps

[analog apex]

ok so 10 per each non german faction 😄

[gray garden]

Which is why most of the games are lower pop nowadays, because the newer iterations are better designed. Well, Tannenberg was devisive so it never really stood in the limelight. But you get my drift.

[analog apex]

we will need HLL(1) remake... but since T17 is holding the IP rights, only they could do that... God help us 😄

[finite berry]

You see, at the end it was worth it going to war with the entire world. Now, we get represented in almost every WW2 game.

It's been all going to plan.

[worthy charm]

Now thats something I can live with. xD

[gray garden]

I mean, I'm sure it'll happen eventually. T17's investment portfolio talks about 10+ years of support for the IP to recuperate the cost of acquisition.

[cosmic pilot]

The Verdun games are also releasing every two to three years right?

You'd need to have what, 5 hll games released and updated simultaneously

[gray garden]

every 4 years p much

[analog apex]

But I wonder sometimes how it would have gone if Hitler was accepted to the university and not denied... maybe we would have been being taught about him as a famous artist... one never knows.

[gray garden]

2015, 2019, 2022, 2026

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah, too long.

[finite berry]

He ends up becoming a well-respected artist living a happy life in a Germany slowly recovering from the economic crisis at the end of the 20s.

The good ending :)

[analog apex]

yep, maybe

[sick bramble]

then USSR starts WW2 attacking Romania/Poland/Finland or baltics

[analog apex]

and since the Germany is not weaponized, falls as a victim too 🥶

[worthy charm]

My favorite you forever will be someone traveled back in time to make him fail the art school stuff, so they dont have to learn about his paintings in school.

[sick bramble]

iron curtain again

[cosmic pilot]

We have BM to blame for forcing in Eastern front in 1.0 to increase the value of their sale at the expense of Eastern front being hll 2 😔

[crimson totem]

You will get it on the second week tops anyway, don't lie to us 😄

[finite berry]

No problem, we still have Steiner.

[analog apex]

I could if I wanted to... I still have 30€ on my Steam wallet I won in the Christmas competition on 13SNC's event 😄 .

[worthy charm]

I have to blame them for the weird console cash grab of a console release.

[analog apex]

so it would be basically for free for me... depending if the HLL1 owners get some discount ofc.

[sick bramble]

breaking russian teeth on these 3 countries

mostly

[finite berry]

Great, that's just enough to buy Squad 44 😏

[sick bramble]

HLL1 owners getting discount for HLL2

sounds well

[analog apex]

I have already had it for a long time man heh 😄

[finite berry]

I don't care, buy it again xD

[cosmic pilot]

10%

[analog apex]

ok... xD

[cosmic pilot]

No more

[worthy charm]

Elise fully immersed in his element.

[sick bramble]

1%

[cosmic pilot]

Mods, delete this

[sick bramble]

WHY

[cosmic pilot]

Whom works for whom

[worthy charm]

I just waited so I dont get told I abuse my mod powers agian.

[sick bramble]

why you dont like ai brainrot

its peak

[cosmic pilot]

What brain rot does to a mofo

[analog apex]

#telegrams message
btw. ... still waiting for the future of HLL being shown 😄
The telegram says future of HLL, not future of the franchise nor future of the HLL brand.

[worthy charm]

SAAAAM, they didnt specify which HLL.🤓

xD

sry

[analog apex]

they did

HLL is HLL

HLLV is HLLV

[gray garden]

I think it was the interview about HLLV

[analog apex]

and is other game, then meaning as future of the brand or franchise, not of the game was misleading and deceiving.

[worthy charm]

HllV is HLL or at least 75%

[finite berry]

Not if they call the entire franchise HLL.

[crimson totem]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[analog apex]

then that is not "HLL", but "HLL franchise"

[finite berry]

I disagree

[analog apex]

HLL is a game and a game only

[marsh ore]

hi guys im new, how is it going

[finite berry]

If tomorrow EA announces "the future of Battlefield", it's obvious they refer to the entire franchise

We just didn't know yet that HLL would become its own franchise

[analog apex]

but there it is clear, because they already have whole series

nothing misleading

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

HLL is dead, long live HLL.

[sick bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/literally1984-1984-big-brother-gif-23819293

[cosmic pilot]

You're being Asperger's

[analog apex]

who's that

[cosmic pilot]

A syndrome

[thin scarab]

Hey new im McPaper

[analog apex]

sounds like a good reading... what it is about? 😄

[past veldt]

Please let Sam grieve

[marsh ore]

whats up dude

[night lark]

Pretty sure it was made clear in the SoulSniper video that the devs are treating HLL as IP rather than a single game

[thin scarab]

Not much. You enjoying HLL?

[cosmic pilot]

My lawyers have advised me to continue this joke no further

[marsh ore]

yeah, pretty good game

[past veldt]

Is Abu your lawyer?

[cosmic pilot]

This was always the plan since the acquisition imo

[thin scarab]

Yup. They even said it back then to expand with Theisen if im Not wrong

[past veldt]

Dont listen to Abu

[thin scarab]

Mostly wrong anyway

[cyan saddle]

Usually*

[analog apex]

He is not a dude. You are a dude. This... this is a man. A handsome mascular man... xD

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1339546314635214879/attachment.gif

[marsh ore]

lol

[topaz lodge]

WW1 deserves more attention and more games

[analog apex]

reference taken I assume 😃

[gray garden]

I'm sure you appreciate the work of Black Mill Games then

[topaz lodge]

yes sir

i played all games

verdun, tannenberg and isonzo

[abstract loom]

how much will hell let loose vietnam cost?

[gray garden]

😏

[worthy charm]

We dont know yet, but I dont think more than what HLL costs now would be reasonable.

[sick bramble]

too much

[topaz lodge]

@worthy charm do you remember how much it cost at the hll exit?

[cosmic pilot]

Two fiddy

[topaz lodge]

two diddy

[worthy charm]

Hll exit?

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/didi-gif-1240408809659404307

[topaz lodge]

day one on steam

[civic pulsar]

I really need some therapy xD cause I get so mad when someone shoots at me and I CANT SEE THE F ENEMY AND JUST DIE.... like a noob

[worthy charm]

Dont know, but I paid 20€ for the Early access

[sick bramble]

hll release?

[topaz lodge]

yes

[sick bramble]

I paid about 15-20$

[past veldt]

It's going to be near AAA release price

as HLL1 currently costs nearly that

[sick bramble]

you can always do 🇦🇷 trick, if it works idk

[topaz lodge]

if you buy the vietcong edition have an ppsh 41 , vietcong uniform in real life, and more rice

[wind shore]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407477784799875212

[thin scarab]

Would Not surprise me that it will be around 60 Euros.

[finite berry]

And God knows how many DLCs there will be :D

[past veldt]

Yeah, I'm expecting it to be £/$/€60

[thin scarab]

If the Game is good and Performance aswell then I don’t have a Problem with Buying DLCs.

[past veldt]

US always getting a better deal

If I get another 1000 hours out of the game then I'm happy paying it

I've gotten near 4000 from HLL1

And I only paid like £25 or something

[winter rover]

How do you have 4k hours in HLL lmao

[past veldt]

Been playing since 2020

Seeding servers, a lot of prep work for comp games

[winter rover]

Barely 100 hours in and I'm sick of it

[past veldt]

Cool, don't play then

[winter rover]

Same old game with so many missing features

And a horrid tank system

[past veldt]

Yawn

[winter rover]

Thank god they're adding SGPs though

[cosmic pilot]

Take a break

[winter rover]

That'll be worth a reinstall

[past veldt]

I don't play much now

Just Sundays for matches

[mighty spire]

hop on arma

[winter rover]

Why?

[mighty spire]

you will enjoy it

[winter rover]

I have Squad 44 and IL2

[mighty spire]

i have squad just havent tried it

[winter rover]

Those two games have everything I need to be satisfied

What will arma give me

[thin scarab]

Got 2K on console since Release. You get that easy if you enjoy a Game

[mighty spire]

maybe a different outlook on gameplay and something to do

[winter rover]

Squad44 and IL2 is enough for me

And HLL on the side when I am bored and need something casual and quick

[mighty spire]

ill try it

[past veldt]

If you're only playing public games then HLL is a terrible experience because of the player base

[thin scarab]

I only play HLL Comp on the Weekends. Addicted to the Finals atm

[slate canopy]

I disagree. I only play public and still have a blast. I have close to 1k hours and never in a community or clan.

[mighty spire]

i just realized squad and squad44 were 2 diff games

[past veldt]

The lack of engagement in any mechanics in pub games is what hurts

[winter rover]

Squad 44 is WW2

[slate canopy]

Lack of engagement? Don't quite understand.

[winter rover]

Regular Squad is modern

Different game, same devs

But I'm really looking forward to HLL's SPGs

[finite berry]

Eh, no

Squad 44 has its own developer team

Ex modders of the game

[winter rover]

Well OWI bought it

[mighty spire]

im going to try 44 im not really into modern warfare

[finite berry]

Yes, they are the publishers

[winter rover]

So same dev team now

[finite berry]

Only on the coding part

[thin scarab]

I just Can’t Play Pub anymore, the amount of High Level Players That don’t know how to play is the reason I wont Play Pub

[finite berry]

I recommend you join the Squad 44 Discord. Also, feel free to ping me there (same name), I can give you a brief "tutorial" in VC because it can be rather confusing getting into the game; in case you actually get the game

[slate canopy]

That can be any level 🤷‍♀️ I always take it as an opportunity to teach AND learn. Learn new stuff all the time.

[past veldt]

The vast majority of players don't engage with or understand building spawns, capture mechanics etc

[slate canopy]

So HELP THEM

Explain it all.

[winter rover]

How can you when half the server doesn't use VC 😂

[past veldt]

Impossible mission

[thin scarab]

You don’t think people tried?

[finite berry]

noo matches are so bad noo
"well then help new players"
noo thats not my job I just wanna play the game

[gentle lintel]

polarbear is always yelling

[finite berry]

Sorry, but then you're part of the problem 🤷‍♂️

[past veldt]

It's noble, and I've engaged as much as I can with new players

[cosmic pilot]

It's emotionally scaring

[finite berry]

Find the ones that do, drag them here and explain everything they need to know to them

[past veldt]

But vast majority of playerbase doesn't care or have their own incorrect beliefs

[slate canopy]

I recently had two level 10 or less players on my team. They didn't know anything but hey, they tried their best, communicated and did great.

[winter rover]

I prefer to do my own thing anyways so idc

[slate canopy]

So mean

[gentle lintel]

A lot of people are willing to listen/learn, but a lot of people are also ignorant for lack of better terms and don't want to listen to anything. But everyone is entitled to play however they want, so it's kind of a mixed bag

[past veldt]

From a community perspective, I played almost exclusively commander for an entire year in every EU event that I could join

[finite berry]

Then get the 50% that do listen lol

[cyan saddle]

Teaching new players can be just as tiring as it can be rewarding. And over time the satisfaction of the reward wears off.

[gentle lintel]

I do it out of morality, not for a reward

jk

[past veldt]

And the reality of the game isn't what people want to believe it is

[cosmic pilot]

You mercenary

[past veldt]

So trying to explain mechanics to people who simply refuse to believe, for example, shooting the hand is the same as shooting the chest, makes teaching people so difficult

[past vortex]

thats rare, most who dont learn just dont care or are lazy

[thin lotus]

Babying players into doing what needs to be done, even from a training perspective has this all too common side effect where they aren’t able to do anything unless they’re told first. Like they have zero intuition as a result.

Look at the map, it should be 99% discernible what needs to be done without the need for “squad lead, tell us what we need to do”

[past veldt]

I've seen the refusal to accept mechanics by so many people

[night lark]

One can lead a horse to water…

[past veldt]

I mean, even people who have experience. Like F tier comp teams. I'm so happy to talk with anyone about HLL, but most don't care to improve

[thin lotus]

Even at this point in this games lifecycle, the general playerbase still doesn’t seem to grasp how something as simple as capping objectives works

[night lark]

Public game squad leads - “we are losing defense”
Clan squadleads -“everyone redeploy to defense, we are losing”

[past veldt]

So many people who have played for years aren't interested in engaging with the actual game

Even like base level tactics or strategy that works simply because they believe hll values things like their characters life or whatever

[night lark]

Ive asked people to redeploy and literally been told to go fk myself because someone thinks theyre the main character

Not worth dealing with public game idiots tbh

[past vortex]

i only play mic only servers nowadays (those are only full at prime time) and none of that is a problem
just dont play on bad servers (yes that means you cant play at night)

[night lark]

I commanded a game once (we won) and a squad lead spent his time trying to correct me on stuff all the time. I looked at his post game statts on RCON, worst performing squad, he has an abysmal number of kills, basically no combat effectiveness and most the time his OP was in non-cap areas of the map not engaging the enemy. So even the talking ones are useless sometimes

[thin lotus]

The consequences of gameplay built upon both “metagaming” while also trying to satisfy those that don’t know any better. The divide this creates in the playerbase makes them hate the other side.

[night lark]

I basically just dont play unless its SLB or some other casual clan game. Sometimes ill do a public game, start as a non SL, somehow end up as an SL, and then contemplate uninstalling

Meh all games have meta. Even if you engage within the very basic principles of a game the actual gameplay would be better. People that cant even read a map and deduce some facts like disposition, map control, or see if they are in a useful place have a skill issue tbh

[cosmic pilot]

Small cog energy

[night lark]

If you see your defense point is falling and your only reaction is to say “we are losing defense” to your squad half heartedly and then continue on your way, you are a bad squad lead imo

[finite berry]

But it's gotta drink on its own, yes. Still, there is nothing wrong with actively offering to new players to teach them the game. That's what I've been doing for years in Squad 44 and all of them were very grateful for it. Because a player that actually understands the game doesn't only play better, there also is a higher chance that he will stay because he doesn't get as easily frustrated anymore.

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, but on the other hand, redeploying is a bad mechanic

[finite berry]

It is because there are no tickets :)

[night lark]

But it is there and should be used to maximum effect. To not is silly and self defeating

[cosmic pilot]

Principle of double effect.
It's silly not to and silly to do it

[night lark]

Like i think its a bit dumb you can spawn half the team in the red off a single garrison.

I will absolutely exploit it to win 😂

[wind shore]

When Hell let Loose 1812?

[cosmic pilot]

Europe or North America

[wind shore]

Europe, Battle of Smolensk 1812

With muskets, fancy pants, hats and uniforms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Smolensk_(1812)

[analog apex]

horses when 😄

[past vortex]

after korea

[cosmic pilot]

Smolensk on the brain

[real parrot]

Where replay system

[analog apex]

nowhere

repay system, maybe xD

[wind shore]

lol, just were 4+ battles at least.
Russian-Polish war battle in Smol in 1600,
Napoleon war battle in Smol in 1812
1941 and 1943 battles

On 1 map could be 3 settings

[cosmic pilot]

Why do I feel the sudden urge to invade Smolensk

It's been too long

Eh too be fair

You're not due for another 100 years

[wind shore]

It’s good battle for gameplay

At least with great history of this town

[cedar arrow]

Shiet HLL Vietnam War , that tight

[reef vector]

so everyone is chilled again and realized hll1 is still 1 year active

[wind shore]

French soldiers were in Smolensk in 1941 also. In 1942. It was unit which came to Moscow battle, and in 1943 it was Normandie-Nieman, on Allies side battle in air.

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[wind shore]

Wdym

[cedar arrow]

VN war is a unconventional war with asymmetric forces

[wind shore]

Yes it’s unconventional war

But who cares it’s gameplay reasons

[cedar arrow]

Korean War make more sense , in my opinion

[reef vector]

no

its like 50/50 right now on vietnam scenario. Most people probably in EU arent really interested in vietnam and even less in korea war. they will not have the success with korea as with vietnam

[wind shore]

I don’t know I would buy it, HLL Vietnam

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[cedar arrow]

Just plausible at some point , map ARVN vs NVA 1973 maybe

[cosmic pilot]

Hopefully next

Peak us military in WW2 style

[reef vector]

we have hll1 for 8 years. 4 years i guess without being beta. vietnam will also be like for 4-6 years

[cosmic pilot]

Depends on how successful hllv is

If it's super successful, could speed things up

[sullen crypt]

ive been waiting for a decent vietnam game since battlefield vietnam.

and to ride the little vietnamese scooters again

[clear magnet]

Vietnammm let's goooo

[reef vector]

we dont know yet. but it can be also avg success

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[clear magnet]

Time to murder some GIs in rat tunnels 😂

Butt sax in rat tunnels 😂

[reef vector]

in my opinion the should forget the past. they should start like arma reforger WCS. Modern warfare, they could do so much more with it over years as ww2 or vietnam. i would be not that disappointment when they started modern warfare scenario instead vietnam

[clear magnet]

It's alright, we will see how the game does. They already made it to be released in 2026 . Their future game can be modern warfare. I would like to see futuristic alien warfare at some point haha

Their future game can be HLL: Invasion; Human forces vs Alien forces. That would be a cool idea for a game

[cedar arrow]

Idk it sound promising but i more fond of mortar and destructible building

[worthy charm]

Squad and Arma alrady have that niche + there wasnt a new full release vietnam game for year, so I think they may be onto something. If the is actually any good we will see in a open beta or at the release.

[clear magnet]

I'm more hyped for HLL Vietnam than the new BF 6 lol

[worthy charm]

If they really do yearly releases they can shove BF6 somewhere where the sun doesnt shine.

[gentle lintel]

bf6 was disappointing imo

[reef vector]

what

[gentle lintel]

not like the old days

[reef vector]

its probably again a very good bf after bf1

[worthy charm]

BF1 isnt like the old days either

[reef vector]

yea cause they went the way of beeing noob friendly. so everyone can kill someone fast, doesnt matter what skill you have

[gentle lintel]

everyone is jumping around at 50,000 km/h, every gun has the same stopping power, maps were too small but I'm sure that was just the testing, meh

[proven dagger]

the fact that battlefield wants to go to annual releases really just killed the last bits of my soul

[gentle lintel]

and I hate seasons and battle passes and tier skips

[reef vector]

yeah welcome to 2025. they also thinking about to put sbmm into it. but god bless they didnt in beta

[gentle lintel]

just give me a damn game

[worthy charm]

Second weekend playing Kairo was impossible because everyone just jummped on the roofs and champed there.

[proven dagger]

remember when the very first thing you saw with battlefield games was "EA Proudly Presents"

[reef vector]

cant be worse as cod. new trailer was like " i'm either pre order bf 6 as that sh*t"

[proven dagger]

could not be me

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/beach-time-vacation-im-leaving-baby-suitcase-gif-17277572

^ me packing my bags

[proven dagger]

its sad that the only reason battlefield is hype rn is because call of duty failed so catastrophically in their marketing and content

[wind shore]

@gentle lintel What would you do, if you came home and see Vietcong guy under your bed or in the wardrobe, and he say “Hey, come here, I have copy of Hell let Loose Vietnam, let’s play”

[gentle lintel]

I can legimiately say that I do not know what I would do

[wind shore]

And after you find the big tunnel under your house and tunnels system

[worthy charm]

Kedo under Drews bed when?

[broken shoal]

So HLL have a player base, is not an insane playerbase but is a faithful playerbase. Team17 needs for that playerbase to go to Vietnam so it can make a profit but that playerbase doesnt want to leave HLL1 for HLL Vietnam. How are they going to expend money to support and develop both games at the same time? Really makes you think

[wind shore]

😅😂

[gentle lintel]

plot twist, Kedo is the vietcong

[wind shore]

It would be millions Vietcong soldiers in those tunnels, it would give the immersion and feeling that you don’t know how many exactly them in those tunnels, but they would be everywhere

[proven dagger]

It's difficult to really know how the games will coexist when they are both in a playable state but I would honestly imagine that there are people who didn't like the WW2 theme and would actually play the Vietnam setting looking for a better alternative to Rising Storm 2.

[worthy charm]

Only thing that make me think is your thought process.

[silk igloo]

some will, some wont, some will pick up HLL vietnam rather than HLL 1

[worthy charm]

:}

[wind shore]

It would be the expansion of Hell let Loose community 2X or more

Of course new players will come, it’s forcing in media - HLL Vietnam

[proven dagger]

People will also inevitably play it if it's free on gamepass.

[broken shoal]

also am i missing the fact that maybe HLL is popular on console. Dont know that much but from what i read a lot of console players are excited for a Vietnam shooter

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ho-ho-chi-minh-vietnam-socialism-communism-gif-27655439

[calm silo]

Battlefield is “hype” because it’s fun again. Small map complaints aside. It’s fun.

[silk igloo]

As a new game, if all the issues of HLL are ironed out from the start like arty/recon loop etc, people might like it better than HLL. lots of people have picked up HLL and given up on it

[worthy charm]

Last week we had people here bragging console has more than double the PC playerbase... but again there isnt a way to prove this claim.

[wind shore]

I imagine to dig into the mountain

[worthy charm]

Its impressive they were able to make two battelfield that werent immediately fun to everyone. Battelbit did that on release and im sure would still do it wouldnt those Devs dumped the game.

[proven dagger]

It's not anything new though. This happens every battlefield release. People say the latest battlefield is terrible/killing the series. New game "saves it", game starts going downhill. Maybe X game wasn't that bad after all. New game gets announced that's going to "save" battlefield, repeat.

[broken shoal]

i really dont imagine how someone plays HLL on console, unless it have aim assists i guess.

[calm silo]

The idea that console players don’t like or don’t want hardcore team-based shooters like arma or squad or HLL etc. is false. These games used to be on console all the time, back in the OG PS2 and Xbox days when the market was dominated by classic Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six. This is a return to form. I’m glad it’s not limited to PC. Also I play these games on both PS5 and PC and gyro aim on PS5 is without a doubt my favorite way to play.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-scoiatael-pitfall-trap-gif-13807083

Imagine to fell into this trap

[proven dagger]

When I played Battlefield 5 people hated it, now people are starting to look more fondly on it while they hated 2042.

[wind shore]

Bamboo would be the strongest weapon of Vietnamese army

[proven dagger]

This is the case with Hardline too.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/terrence-carlos-hiding-terrence-hiding-hide-gone-gif-14348158

[warm flax]

Will the vietnamese mil have tanks and helicopters in this new game?

[wind shore]

Helicopters for US side only

Idk about other stuff

[worthy charm]

There were US Rocketlaunchers in the trailer, so there should be tanks on both side. Helicopter are only there for US, it says that on the steam page.

[broken shoal]

USA will have Helicopters and river ships with machine guns. Vietnam will have fishing boats and tunnels. I sht you not lmao

A single tank is a huge problem in HLL if your side doesnt have tanks. Wonder how that is going to work in Vietnam

[proven dagger]

The NVA used tanks as far as know idk what ones exactly. Different than the Vietcong.

[whole hornet]

I have a problem with my laptop it happened while playing Hell let Loose can someone help me with that i think it has something to do with my graphics
I Posted a video in #pc-looking-for-unit
Thanks for the help

[proven dagger]

Probably not in huge numbers though.

google says T-34-85's and Chinese Type 59s.

wheres historian when you need them

PT76.

[void atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/tropic-thunder-suck-my-unit-unit-supposed-to-be-a-unit-argue-gif-10895437683387751236

Very soon

[wind shore]

https://youtu.be/noxmZ03WxDY?si=0TOhkqJJgFWUjL2A

Well done! The trailer is already on PS official channel!

[worthy charm]

Nuh uh

[hollow bobcat]

hell ya! bout time!

[proven dagger]

im curious if the M48/M60 will have a cupola MG tbh

[broken shoal]

damn the mod was fast

[proven dagger]

what you think willes

[broken shoal]

the commenst being excited about the game really makes me realize im the wrong side

[analog apex]

don't let them confuse you! 😄

[hollow bobcat]

can you say 'jungle warfare' boys and girls? i knew you could

[worthy charm]

Would be interesting, but that would mean they reworked a lot of the tanks.

[broken shoal]

i mean im part of the bunch who is kinda dissapointed of not getting Pacific but console players being excited over this makes me think im wrong seeing this as a fail. But ALSO, people commenting on that video talk like they never played HLL before.

[worthy charm]

No way current HLL would be able to do that.

[proven dagger]

I would hope by now they do especially if combat is going to be assymetrical lmao.

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[wind shore]

I would play Vietnam

[past vortex]

i will only play it if it has korea

[proven dagger]

I don't see why it couldn't be a DLC or something, the equipment is largely the same and korea is only like 5 years prior.

thats just my take though

not necissarily the same, but there is crossover*

[analog apex]

There is only one scenario that would make HLLV a good move in favour of HLL1 - if it would be successful above all expectations, Team17 would get a lot of money from it. Money that could be used also for hiring more devs for HLL1 and faster updates.

But the usual reality is, that the corporates are greedy and keep the money in their pockets instead. And Team17 is a corporate too...

[past vortex]

dont think so, multiple reasons

• hhl is kinda unrepairable anyway
• it wont bring that much money

[proven dagger]

I feel like you either have to have a standalone Korea game or just have a broader "cold war" type game I dunno but I think a DLC for Vietnam would be acceptable.

[broken shoal]

no way in hell this happens, if Vietnam is a sucess they are abandoning HLL1 for sure lol.

[analog apex]

every code is repairable, always

[broken shoal]

And then what WW2 games im gonna play 👴

[past vortex]

yea but its often cheaper to make it anew :}

[hushed sequoia]

First game of HLLV be like:

guy makes a squad
Squad fills up
Squad leader leaves

[analog apex]

yep, that's mroe likely course of the future I think as well

[silk igloo]

They could just redo HLL1 in HLL Vietnam and call it a day

[wind shore]

Ну я думаю будет интересно, к тому же трейлер выглядит здорово. Спецэффекты, свет, окружение, стрельба и экшн. Все выглядит довольно интересным и привлекательным. Мне понравился трейлер Хеллки про Вьетнам.

[broken shoal]

i mean officially Team17 didnt birth HLL, they just took over

[analog apex]

if they would secretly start working on HLL(1) remake, I wouldn't be mad 🙂

[worthy charm]

Expression games is already a "big" studio, so I dont believe they even need more people. They got like 100 employees on linkedin.

[proven dagger]

Should have just made Hell Let Loose 2 that has a broad variety of different time periods wym.

[past vortex]

if they make it flexible enough they could do campaigns, yea
that would be the best outcome

[wind shore]

It is HLLV right?

[analog apex]

then how on Earth it feels like HLL(1) is being worked on like 3 coders max +maybe 2 mappers max

[hushed sequoia]

HLLV: Anybody got a mic?

Crickets

[broken shoal]

there is a giant asleep called Squad, if the unreal engine 5 update is a sucess... oh boy.

[proven dagger]

go home GI

[gloomy crown]

Scratching the whole game after sale and start from scratch would probably have been easier in hindsight than trying to patch it up

[proven dagger]

just give Vietnam modding tools people will recreate HLL1.

[worthy charm]

You guys could just leave out the one. HLL isnt HLLV after all so not sure why the one would be necessary. Anyway its a established fact how sh*tty the games code it, its obvious they wont pump all their devs in a 6-7 year old game, that people love to complain about.

[past vortex]

and they did just that, only that it is stinking vietnam :/

[wind shore]

Of course, in Vietnam you would have a choice: to go through the jungle or fly on your helicopter. Or just went into the tunnel and left there forever

[broken shoal]

give us HLL1 modding tools and the game will live for 10 more years. This is not a dream, this is a fact.

[silk igloo]

what do you mean... "you guys"

[proven dagger]

idk how true it is pretty sure theyve basically said that isnt possible

[past vortex]

peasants, people without modding rights

[worthy charm]

I mean you personally :}

[broken shoal]

yeah i know but im dreaming. I made some mods for Squad, there are some modders who dont even play the game they just want to create stuff. If somehow a modding tool is released, people would go crazy just to create things.

[winter rover]

Played Red Orchestra 2 yesterday full server

[hushed sequoia]

HLLV: Can someone take SL I didn't really wanna do it

💀

[proven dagger]

HLL can really summed up with "It just isn't possible"

"why isn't it possible"

[winter rover]

and my gosh, I forgot how much harder it was than HLL

Ro2 is actually hell

[wind shore]

HLLV: Commander! I need new boat at the HQ, I’ve lost that one. Yes, heavy boat with heavy MGs.
blueberry take your boat before you and run

[broken shoal]

i love ro2 but that isnt true.

[winter rover]

It is very much true

Much harder than HLL

[broken dagger]

Is hell let loose Vietnam gonna be a separate game or like an extension?

[hasty ore]

sep game

[wind shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152891668014575657/1408117293728272536/IMG_7148.gif

[broken dagger]

Ok thanks

[nova pivot]

No language needed for understanding that

[topaz lodge]

same tradition in HLL 1

[novel mantle]

Ro2 is a real PTSD simulator

I still remember the last time I played, I was in defending the building with 5 other guys, and we were all in cover bc arty was raining on us

The moment it stopped, I heard Germans yelling from outside of where I was, and 3 stick grenades flew in

I just sat there and accepted my faith

[winter rover]

rip

Coming under artillery is terrifying

[novel mantle]

The bombing run in HLL is cool and all but it's very short lived

One run and it's over

Ro2's arty strikes is equivalent to like 5 guys using arty in HLL all striking on one position

[hasty ore]

only now it'll be
"Anybody got a mic?"

-12 people start blasting Fortunate Son in proxi chat at different times-

[thin lotus]

🥱

[winter rover]

Literal Stalingrad ptsd sim

[hasty ore]

oh my god another teal colored soul

[thin lotus]

The best color

[analog apex]

majors, sirs! 🫡

[novel mantle]

I was so excited when the Eastern Front was announced in HLL

But was so disappointed

My expectations were way too high

[hasty ore]

not enough skiing in Eastern Front

[winter rover]

imo

They need to get rid of artillery and make it a commander call in

[analog apex]

+mortars

[winter rover]

And completely remove the bombing run

[analog apex]

not before removing the Airhead

[hasty ore]

and add in a M1857 Cannon loaded with grapeshot?

[thin lotus]

Everything that Hll players wanted have conveniently been moved to the new game:
Any semblance of asymmetry
Flyable aircraft
Mortars
Bayonets

Very particular

[hasty ore]

I get the mortars. It would completely change a HUGE chonk of the gameplay and require a ton of balancing. makes more sense to replace the arty with it in an entirely diff game

flyable aircraft too would change how the game plays enough to require entire tons of balance passes

[winter rover]

Maps are way too small for planes lol

[hasty ore]

also that

[proven dagger]

Honestly I think SPGs would be a fine replacement for the current static artillery guns. They can move, but can be destroyed. They should cost a decent chunk and have to rearm.

Mortars should have been in the game to begin with.

[hasty ore]

it's already hard enough to get the recon team to grace the enemy arty team with their presence. Imagine trying to get them to hunt a mobile mortar team lol

[winter rover]

I don't want mortars tbh

[analog apex]

maybe just the small "hand-held" ones would be enough

[proven dagger]

That's why you balance the power with cost. Is it worth it to order one artillery tank or several regular tanks.

Something generally HLL does not do well.

Or if you don't want to do full blown tanks just make half tracks and such with mortars.

[night lark]

Why? They were the single biggest cause of casulties among allied soldiers

[novel mantle]

Imagine being on the offense gamemode and while a team is defending. If the attackers had like two mortar guys raining hell onto the point, while constantly being resupplied, and able to ping for exact range... while the defending team has no way to counter them, that would be way too op

[winter rover]

Yeah

[proven dagger]

If they're constantly being resupplied that just seems like good teamwork tbh which is something you don't normally see.

[hasty ore]

that much balancing is why it's in the next game, not this one heh

[winter rover]

Offensive gamemodes it's a lot easier to be supplied

[proven dagger]

This really just seems like it should be a case of mortars not using supplies and having to have ammo boxes.

[winter rover]

It's not the regular game mode where everyone is spread out and you can either attack or defend

Here everyone is attacking a point with like 15min left to cap it

[proven dagger]

Very rarely do I see people effectively use explosive ammo.

[winter rover]

Those are usually the crazy games where the defenders build fortresses

[proven dagger]

You also shouldn't be able to just respawn with a mortar full of ammo.

[winter rover]

Also offensive team doesnt even have artillery, now imagine them having mortars on there

[night lark]

Why not? Mortar bombs were carried by soldiers on their person

[proven dagger]

Because gameplay does not mirror reality.

[wind shore]

Everybody join unit radio

[gloomy crown]

I am curious towards the tunnel system. Imagine you could undermine the whole map and just pop out anywhere by surprise. or atleast have a tunnel go the next capture point so if your team takes the current one they immediatly take the next one kinda like a nice airhead or sneaky garrisons. now i am wondering if fighting in the tunnels will be a thing?

[night lark]

Okay but how would it affect game play other than be annoying?

[winter rover]

Maybe mortars in the regular game mode yes, but no in offensive would be wy too op on there

[proven dagger]

Idk being able to respawn every 10 seconds with full rockets and satchel charges is a little more than annoying you could say it's borderline overpowered.

you die to tank, so what just respawn and w key.

same with mortars.

[winter rover]

Yeah I like how Squad did it when you respawn you have less ammo

Or i mean starting with ammo from what you were left with before you died

[night lark]

You could have the ammunition associated with the mortar weapon and just not have it auto-replenish on death

[winter rover]

That would be a good feature in HLL

[proven dagger]

it gets to a point in HLL where why wait for explosive ammo, just respawn and have full ammo.

explosive ammo is realistically only useful if you have somebody following you 24/7 or you're on a point defending.

[winter rover]

Literally lol

[night lark]

There isnt a good ammunition replenishment system in HLL as it stands because not enough players use ammo boxes

[winter rover]

They gotta do it like in Squad

[thin lotus]

The VC tunnels will 100% be a spawn system similar to garries. VC faction will probably have less restrictions on spawn logic compared to USA

[night lark]

So have ammunition resupply at spawns? And have constant logistics from the HQs?

[proven dagger]

also yes but no IMO because both teams could have mortars

[winter rover]

But the defending team will be more concentrated while attackers could be spread out

[proven dagger]

you shouldn't be able to camp in an inaccessible sector with mortars.

I think in general offensive is just a terrible in imbalanced mode.

[winter rover]

The defenders would get absolutely f***ed by mortars

[analog apex]

holes out of which the "green men" will be jumping out from ☝️

"best" without any animation xD

[winter rover]

Theres a reason why artillery doesnt exist for attackers

[proven dagger]

if you're concentrated on point you're already doing something incredibly wrong imo.

[night lark]

Nah this is just not a good take. Mortars should be able to be used as close to IRL as possible

[winter rover]

That's literally what it always ends up when you're getting pushed in

[proven dagger]

if we're going by that standard recon should just not be able to go to HQ and silence artillery.

[cosmic pilot]

Garrisons final true form

[night lark]

Unironically yes.

[wind shore]

What do you think about WW2 guns in HLL Vietnam? Which ones could be moved from HLL?

[winter rover]

Especially when time is running out for attackers and they're all pushing in while only like 50m from the circle, the defenders will all be in the circle

[gloomy crown]

Real tunnels would probably be too much but i hope they add atleast a few handcrafted ones similar to the ones on El Alamein and Tobruk

[night lark]

The only counter to artillery in ww2 was counter battery but even then, it was usually a “get in a trench and hope for the best”

[winter rover]

yall have a vietnam chat you know

[analog apex]

a lot of garries right there:
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WvXSeW_cQF_QCHKX3KAKNdUOPzfWfnJk0n9wEyBGz0Q/https/cdn-dienn.nitrocdn.com/zYdgAiPLYeptSneyEDuRgditFvGQtMmu/assets/images/optimized/rev-265a9bc/www.lawn-tech.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mole-hill-1.jpg?format=webp

[proven dagger]

basically any russian gun I guess. I think america still used stuff like the M3 Grease.

[winter rover]

They could sometimes be impossible to counter

[gloomy crown]

it's not showing for me and i don't see an option to join 🙁

[winter rover]

#telegrams

select heart reaction

[thin lotus]

If I had to guess, it’ll be radius based. You’d have an initial point where the player would have to set, then you can select another distance in which you could prop another point up which won’t require players be physically present there. Maybe a # of minutes before it become active

[lavish sparrow]

really curious if HLLV will actually use the opportunity to fix some of the deep broken issues in HLL or if it will just be vietnam mod

[steady vessel]

Wonder if the roleplay clans will have a dedicated translator role that only speaks in Vietnamese when on the US side

[night lark]

M3 SMG, M1/M2 carbines. M1 Garand for ARVIN, basically all the russian ww2 weapons. Youd also get the occasional german weapon in the VC side

[lavish sparrow]

Nam definitley fits better with the gameplay that HLL shaped into at least.

[winter rover]

Surrounded by friendlies while the defenders all at the point defending. It would be impossible to stop the mortar guys

[night lark]

Theyre building the code from the ground up

[wind shore]

Nice!!!!!!!

[winter rover]

Especially hiding behind like bushes or something making them impossible to see

[steady vessel]

Sounds like its a ground up rework, so just different deep broken issues

[wind shore]

I’ve seen Mosin rifle on screenshots

[lavish sparrow]

sure but does that mean theyre taking a critical look at mechanics?

[night lark]

Not really. You deal with it how you deal with it in squad. Learn counter battery

[proven dagger]

PPSH in vietnamese tunnels goes hard.

[lavish sparrow]

for example, will medic actually be useful?

[night lark]

Well what do you mean by problems? Do you mean bugs and imbalances/poor execution of features or do you mean gameplay mechanics?

[winter rover]

This is HLL, not Squad

[night lark]

Probably not

[winter rover]

Very VERY different playerbase

[analog apex]

I hope they were not saving the ticket system for HLL2...

[lavish sparrow]

gameplay mechanics.

[steady vessel]

Medic will never be useful for anything other than glitches in any HLL style simplified milsim game.

[night lark]

Well dont have mortars then. Its either do it right or make it so gamey and nerfed for skill issue players its a pointless addition

[lavish sparrow]

i hope its not a ticket system. I think there is a lot of value in the fact that HLL can just kill you instantly.

[winter rover]

exactly, mortars shouldn't be added to HLL

Will be too op

[tardy halo]

Hi can someone help me real quick. My game crashed and when i opened it again all my settings were set to default. also lost all my favourited servers.

[pine ember]

PPSh, Mosin, maybe SVT and DP28. M1 Garand, M1 carbine, Grease Gun, maybe BAR, Thompson and M1903. Maybe even MG34 and FG42, same as StG44 and Kar98

[night lark]

Only OP if you have a skill issue

[night lark]

You would not get the FG42

[steady vessel]

Rip to your settings. Just have to redo them

[lavish sparrow]

who the f**k used an fg42 in vietnam?

[winter rover]

It will be

On the offensive gamemode? It'll be pretty much unstoppable

[night lark]

Nah, three dudes working together can easilly triangulate and then you counter battery

[wind shore]

How it was common to use scopes on the guns in Vietnam war?

[pine ember]

Vietcong

[night lark]

If you also only have one mortar tube its not that big

[wind shore]

Like MG with scope, rifle with scope, Garand with scope, automatic rifle and machine pistol with scopes

[pine ember]

Sadly, even though it was used

[night lark]

I doutb this. Maybe one or two but not enough to justify adding it

[thin lotus]

If the shooting is just as easy, with the same easy damage output values, medics will not be any more useful than they are now.

Especially considering the weaponry of the era, they absolutely need to dial back the damage values.

[winter rover]

Have you ever played offensive while defending and your whole team is being pushed in?

[pine ember]

Not that common

[winter rover]

And your team is practically all in the point defending for their lives