mess-hall

[wind shore]

Or it would be new update present on this awards! New map

[pine ember]

HLL WW1

[wind shore]

And Russian empire!

[winter rover]

That will die within a month 🤣

[wind shore]

Would love to play for Russian on horse in fancy uniform

[pine ember]

I don’t think so

[winter rover]

ok yeah maybe not, but it will have a small dedicated playerbase like the WW1 series (verdun, etc) which is not big at all

[finite berry]

From my experience, you can stay alive and easily outgun M1 Garand users as long as you stay hidden. If you are going up in a bolt-action rifle against a semi-auto, well, try to put yourself in a situation where you have the odds on your side again.

[wind shore]

WW1 is not popular

[winter rover]

No one is gonna stick to it

[winter rover]

yeah because nothing other than bolt actions

[cyan saddle]

I thought you never played HLL?

[wind shore]

No, cause there is not enough adopted games for WW1

[winter rover]

don't kid yourself, it's mostly because of the bolt actions

[finite berry]

From my experience in Squad 44, obviously. In HLL, I assume it will be at least similar. Pretty sure that you CAN perform well with a K98k, just don't expect to have much success while playing as if you were wielding a semi-auto.

[leaden patrol]

I think the game is in a solid spot balance-wise. You don't really want to appease one crowd too much because it risks alienating another. If you really want to use bolts, go ahead, rifleman is the most available role in the entire game. It's not like there are four guys running around in each squad with MP40's

[cyan saddle]

WW1 isn't as mainstream as WW2 for so many reasons, many of which can be called both a consequence and a cause depending on who you ask

[winter rover]

yeah, the game offers both the opportunity to use bolt actions and semi autos

[pine ember]

That’s not the main reason

[winter rover]

It will never be popular

[cyan saddle]

Having played both, the gap between the two is noticeably smaller in Sq44

The kar is faster and the garand more obnoxious

[winter rover]

Only reason why BF1 is still doing well is because it's 80% smgs

[finite berry]

Smaller in what way? Sorry, I don't understand.

[winter rover]

Look at Beyond the Wire, Verdun, Tann, Isonzo

Dead/very low player count

[cyan saddle]

Better balanced against each other

[finite berry]

Oh, yes

[wind shore]

This game is so small player base

[finite berry]

Exactly what I meant ^^ You can perform well against semi-autos as long as you position yourself accordingly and don't mess up your aim

[pine ember]

Are bolt actions also guilty for 80% of committed crimes?

[winter rover]

What...?

[wind shore]

Who cares about

[pine ember]

Bolt actions for you seem to be guilty of everything

[winter rover]

mate, we're talking about video games, what are you on about

[pine ember]

It won’t hurt a game when it gets a few more of them

[leaden patrol]

Get out of your feelings for a sec lmao

[winter rover]

of course it won't, but it'll hurt the game if that's all you can use

[wind shore]

Bolt actions are good when you can load full clip into your Kar98k sniper karbine

Like in COD

With no single reloading

[pine ember]

That was my point the whole time

[leaden patrol]

Don't get me started on the COD franchise

[pine ember]

Replacing three MPs with that won’t hurt anyone

[winter rover]

and my point is, WW1, you're basically stuck with them 90% of the time

[pine ember]

That is true. But not the main reason why the games are unpopular

[wind shore]

We need phosphorus grenades

[winter rover]

Imagine a 100 player server, realistically only a couple would actually get the MP18 and BAR (excluding LMGs)

[wind shore]

And arty gas like in WW1

[pine ember]

Bingo

[pine ember]

That wasn’t used in WW2

[winter rover]

HLL WW1 would be like of the 50 Germans on the team, at least half the team isn't using bolt actions

Make it realistic, then the game will die

[wind shore]

Enlisted has them

[pine ember]

Not really

[wind shore]

I know, if you want WW1 game

Gameplay mix for WW1 and WW2

[winter rover]

The WW1 series is as casual as HLL, and look how it's doing

[pine ember]

No

[pine ember]

Again: that’s not the main reason

[winter rover]

oh buddy, it's one of the main reasons lol

[pine ember]

No

[leaden patrol]

It's definitely high up there tho

[winter rover]

Want to make it realistic WW1 shooter? Look at Beyond the Wire, that's dead

[wind shore]

Play with bots then

If you want to play WW1, download verdun and beyond the wire and play it

[pine ember]

I wouldn’t certainly say so

[pine ember]

??

[winter rover]

🤣

Stop denying it man

Just because you love bolt actions, doesn't mean many others do lol

[pine ember]

🤡

[winter rover]

The numbers speak for themselves

[pine ember]

lol

[pine ember]

I don’t deny anything

[leaden patrol]

Lots of people want stimulation. Just because you sit on a hedge with your Kar 98 not moving doesn't mean the vast majority of the player base does the same thing.

[pine ember]

Yes, but these games are dead due to other reasons mostly

[winter rover]

Make the Germans more realistic and less people will play as them

Aint nothing but the truth

[pine ember]

The studios aren’t that big, so they don’t even get well known in the first place. Beyond the wire had some issues with performance. WW1 isn’t as known as WW2. You lack gameplay features (more serious things than automatic weapons). You barely have a variety in maps

[pine ember]

Nope

[winter rover]

Mate, of the 9 infantry classes, only one class (medic) is where youre forced to have a kar98 or pistol

[pine ember]

And that should be more

[winter rover]

and loose players

[pine ember]

Assault could use a Kar loadout, Pioneer and AT too

[pine ember]

Only those who don’t belong in the game anyways

[leaden patrol]

I'll tell you right now I'd definitely stop playing if they implement what you're suggesting

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[pine ember]

If a few more bolt actions are that much of an issue, you’re wrong, it’s that simple

[pine ember]

Ok, cool

[wind shore]

They inventing same game which is too specific

Rolling Thunder Vietnam

[winter rover]

You're forgetting the main target audience of this game; casual WW2 players who like it slower than Cod/BF but don't want it too realistic like Arma or Squad 44

[wind shore]

Who would ever play this sh I * like Vietnamese setting

It is too specific

[pine ember]

Yes, and the majority of these wouldn’t be hurt if we got two Kar loadouts which replaced some MPs or one G43

[wind shore]

Graphics looks like old ArmA game

[winter rover]

I mean look at Red Orchestra 2, arguably the best WW2 eastern front game out there and their realistic loadouts.

The playerbase dropped almost instantly and for most of its life only hovered around 1k people

[leaden patrol]

A whole squad can literally max out on rifleman and you're still advocating for more

[winter rover]

People want their semis and smgs bro

[leaden patrol]

If people wanted to use primarily Kars, they would

[winter rover]

If you want your realistic loadouts and whatnot, then go play Squad 44

Because thats what I do when im in the mood for a realistic play session

But for a casual session, I play HLL

[pine ember]

People want accuracy

[pine ember]

I play it

[winter rover]

Yes, the smaller majority lol

[pine ember]

HLL is more casual than it, but it shouldn’t get too casual

[pine ember]

That is called the minority then 🙂
but it’s the majority my boy

[leaden patrol]

It's not too casual. It's not like every squad has five guys running with MP40's behind the SL. You're making it a bigger deal than it actually is.

[winter rover]

Actually you're right, the people who want accuracy are coming from BF and COD who are tired of the WW2 red dots, sliding, unrealistic skins, etc and want something a bit more realistic but not too realistic like Arma/Squad44

They want the Germans using their own German weapons and realistic looking soldiers - which HLL has to offer

[leaden patrol]

SBMM as well. Complete trash over on COD.

[pine ember]

I could say the same

[winter rover]

They don't care about the loadouts though, if it's German, then it's fine

But the mass use of smgs, and semi autos is fine too

[pine ember]

Not anymore if we continue like that

[pine ember]

No, it isn’t

We’re getting nowhere with that, let’s move on

[winter rover]

Then prove it

Prove it isn't

I'm not seeing mass posts/suggestions complaining about too many smgs and semi autos

where can I see the popular posts and complaints being posted en masse about ohno, germans have too many semi autos and smgs

There's barely any out there, maybe a couple lol. You know why? Because they moved over to Squad 44

[solid trail]

👋 returning to HLL after a long hiatus. Have their been any improvements to tank driving?

[winter rover]

No lol

[leaden patrol]

Lmao

[solid trail]

😭

[winter rover]

Go play Squad 44 instead of holding onto your delusional beliefs about the player base of this game

[solid trail]

I thought it was really weird how newer maps like Mortain and Elsenborn Ridge are a dream to drive a tank on. All the trees on those maps have no collision boxes for tanks. But all of the older maps like Hurtgen Forest and Hill 400 are still a nightmare to drive on.

It's like the devs learned from their mistakes and each new map they release is better than the last but it would be nice if they could retroactively improve their older maps.

[leaden patrol]

I don't believe his real gripe is an abundance of SMG's. I think he wants to cut them down to compensate for not having a ton of people running bolts. Doesn't even make sense tbh when you could literally have a full squad of rifleman.

If they wanted to use the bolts they would

And they could

[azure heath]

I’m scared for the future games show. They might pull another

[wind shore]

On their website it says that they earned 40.000.000+ views on 1 video

The Future Games Show is one of Future’s flagship video game showcases, showcasing upcoming video game releases, world premieres, exclusive game demoes and content from Indie developers to AAA releases.
“The Future Games Show brings viewers world premieres, exclusive game demos and new trailers from upcoming AAA and indie studios. Averaging over 40 million total views per show, with over 130 million views in 2024 . We’ve featured over 500 games, from big budget franchises such as Sid Meier's Civilization VII and Black Myth: Wukong, to acclaimed indies, including gun-fu action adventure SPINE, and the world premiere of 333 Studios' cinematic horror adventure Retrieval”

[azure heath]

hopefully it's just the new map

pls no more u14 "we've taken the german OP"

wrong ben, this @fluid pawn

[wind shore]

I thought also

Or HLL 3 “ the blueberries uprising “

So if this is the great map means like they said, and they would do “what they’ve never done before with the new map”
It means that it’s prepared the best of HLL.

And if it’s map, it should follows the trailer

So the trailer might be ready already if it’s new map

[covert elbow]

When tank destroyers

[wind shore]

Today guys here assumed that it possibly SPGs

Cause : artillery rework - tank rework

But I don’t know

[thin lotus]

Why are they still pushing this game

[wind shore]

It could be tank destroyers or flaks or motorcycles

[fossil pike]

Because its actually a decent game and the best WW2 game out.

[thin lotus]

Future games show? This game has been out for years

Idk just seems desperate at this point

[fossil pike]

That's your opinion. Does the game need work? Absolutely. But so do all of us; including you

[wind shore]

So then new map, or new HLL 3 “blueberry’s uprising”

It needs to be raised, game, and became a title like Battlefield 6. It can do it

[spiral current]

oh, that announcement.
Hopefully their next trailer tops the last one!

[wind shore]

Trailer about map or new game

[obsidian dove]

What do Engineer do?

[wind shore]

Building

[hollow lion]

so when are they adding omniman to hll

[cosmic pilot]

Kane 🥺

[finite berry]

Too late, he was my first victim

Brett was second >:)

And, uuuh, Dallas was third

[cosmic pilot]

Play hll on a free weekend sometime

Too easy.
You got make him want it.
Put the key in Poland.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-mighty-eagle-no-nope-nuh-uh-gif-4910537361484653736

[finite berry]

Fun fact, I'm going to Poland. In September. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[cosmic pilot]

Business or pleasure?

[finite berry]

The latter

Reenacting

[cosmic pilot]

At that rate, why bother larping

[finite berry]

Who said it's WW2 reenactment, tho 😄

[kind spade]

I can't find any full matches even with crossplay on

everytime i join a random game its with only like 6 players

[gentle lintel]

@stark agate there are a pair of Germans behind me in a line and it feels like I’m in ww2, highly immersive

[stark agate]

Ask them how they feel about loosing ww2

[gentle lintel]

Damn that’s cold

[stark agate]

No no do something different
Turn around and tell them i know about your history
And just turn back and say nothing

[gentle lintel]

Errriiiiika

[stark agate]

There is a big chance they dont know anything about it tho

most doesnt know anything about history lol

[gentle lintel]

If they tell me their granddad was a farmer

I’m calling out their lies

[wind shore]

On which TV channel would be this program?

#telegrams message

FGS

[analog apex]

I assume they will provide the link beforehand. But let it be a good one and a pretty deepenough look into the long term plans for HLL.

Something we never rly got.

[wind shore]

I thought it would be shown on TV

[nova pivot]

2026 roadmap

[wind shore]

I don’t watch

TV

[analog apex]

when you run the video in the telegrams, you can see some more icons there, YT included

Twitch, TickTock...

[wind shore]

HLL 2: The people’s League Season 2026

HLL 3: BF6 mix

[forest lintel]

played a game as a reacon squad, my sniper got 50 kills, i got 15, is this good?

[wind shore]

Yes, spotter should mostly spot enemies

[brittle inlet]

#telegrams message

another road map that won’t be stuck to

this years road map has been stuck to, for the most part

so i guess i got gotten there

[wind shore]

It would be roadmap 2025? Or 2026?

[brittle inlet]

probably 2026

2025 already is out, unless they’re just gonna change it during that announcement

only place where it was shared was reddit it looks like, so gonna have to look it up yourself, can’t share links sorry

[wind shore]

I hope this big announcement it’s just for rain for Carentan

It is also could be possible that they can present new weather on carentan and that’s why we getting announce

So why this announce was loud

[worthy charm]

Kill wise its fine for a public game, more important is how many garrisons you build.

[fossil pike]

Yes. Your job is not killing its spotting garrisons, tanks and other vehicles. Also taking out arty when they are on it.

[cosmic pilot]

Mans signed up to get pinged for telegrams.
Complains when pinged for telegram.

[forest lintel]

i kind of didn't think of building garrisons tbh. Weird thing is that the enemy team never used arty, so that was not a problem for us

[worthy charm]

Many just dont use arty even tho it can be strong. I can understand why honestly it isnt the most engaging gameplay nor does it require a lot of skill. I only ever use arty myself, if its needed to win the game.

[dim snow]

I’m hoping it’s an unreal engine 5 upgrade

[forest lintel]

i am a huge sucker for arty in all games i play. Been this way ever since i started playing Foxhole

[dim snow]

Highly doubtful though

[wind shore]

Loud announcement, Fox News, Washington post, IGN, all of them and more, others make announcement that HLL is gonna be presented on new event.
Everybody is join.
They showing us new rain weather variations of millions of people.
And, that’s all. Everybody is going home.

😅

And few fences in carentan

[dim snow]

Or they’re finally going to fix the buggy scoreboard

[wind shore]

Joking of course

It’s new map or new content, for 2025 2026, or new HLL 2

It couldn’t be new weather variations

It would be shown progress and that’s all

[thin lotus]

2025, big year, huge even

[wind shore]

No doubt

[thin lotus]

It absolutely is not

[empty steppe]

Some would say massive

[thin lotus]

Gargantuan, if you will

[forest lintel]

is there a way to add console gamers to my friends? It seems like the +add friend button only shows up for steam players

[worthy charm]

Yeah there is no crossplay :}

This comment of a good looking and very smart person is everything you need to know. #mess-hall message

[empty steppe]

He’s such a hottie

[worthy charm]

frfr

[forest lintel]

hey, what happened to the 25vs25 game mode? I think i heard about them adding it 1 or 2 years ago

[wind shore]

It’s skirmish mode

[silk igloo]

skirmish is 50v50. one of the upcoming(?) obj modes is 25 v 25

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-dont-know-bird-clueless-gif-12587825

[cosmic pilot]

big if true

[cyan saddle]

very maybe big if """upcoming"""

[forest lintel]

some guy with a HEAVY russian accent just joined in, immediately shut down the squad lead and told us to become an ambush squad

[oak current]

anything ever seen is "upcoming"

Cant wait for when we are able to put Tank-Shells as Ornaments on Christmas trees - cause it was on a seasonal postcard picture 4-5 years ago.

[empty steppe]

did bro just say “comrade Stalin has told us to ambush the enemy panzers” 🤣

[forest lintel]

we are doing great btw

[empty steppe]

Them Russians know there stuff

[worthy charm]

Back when I played World of Warships one of my friends found a mod that makes your Shoots into Rem and Ram. 😅

-# The two are anime characters

[covert elbow]

Pacific confirmed?

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[thin lotus]

it's amazing how long they're stretching this gradual weather transition to fogginess effect thing

[empty steppe]

lol

They’re so proud 🥲

[azure heath]

i'm so proud of my babies

now i wish them to grow up and make more weapons and subfactions instead of more maps

[cosmic pilot]

the map guy is not the same as the weapons and uniforms guy
source: the grass and hair guy

[azure heath]

i wonder, do they even have a weapons guy

i know dannyart back in the day made vehicles and maps

[cosmic pilot]

no, the sock guy is pulling double duty

[azure heath]

ah ok

[cosmic pilot]

it's actually his sister's cousin's best friend's roommate

[azure heath]

wait i thought it was his aunt's friends sister's cousin's best friend's roomates dog breeder's congressman's college professor's daughter

[empty steppe]

Ain’t gonna happen

[obsidian dove]

literally went to Bob the Builder server and they demanded money to play on it

bro does anyone know a place where I can grind XP

[slate canopy]

Build nodes, play the class you wanna play.

[obsidian dove]

i cant

[slate canopy]

Why not?

[obsidian dove]

the game wont let me build any nodes

[slate canopy]

Did you play as engineer?

[obsidian dove]

yes

[slate canopy]

You need 50 supplies per node, so you need to work with a support player(50 supplies), get a supply drop(100 supples), or use a supply crate (150 supplies) which can only be dropped after the 2nd column or row (but you have 50 meter distance you can build from it) except for in offensive I believe.

[tired ingot]

There's a max of 3 node sets per team, one set includes 3 nodes, Manpower, Ammo, Fuel. You can only build one of each node but if all sets are built you can't.

I'd recommend at the start of a match spawn as engineer, build your 3 node blueprints near spawn. Ask your squad to come in as support and drop supplies. You can also swap into support and drop your own supplies. You'll want to tap all nodes then build to completion the manpower node, wait till supplies are off cool down, drop supplies, tap both remaining nodes, finish one to completion, wait for supplies and then hammer the last one.
If you don't tap the nodes and don't build the manpower node as the first the node blueprints will time out. Manpower halves the resupply time of supplies.

You can also ask for a supply truck where you'll get 150 supplies but sometimes by the time you get to a spot to build they're all done.

During seeding on a server you could swap sides and build nodes on both sides, some servers allow this. This will double your XP even further

[obsidian dove]

idk i cant find anysever where i can do this

[slate canopy]

In any server?

If 3 sets of nodes have beenb uilt, you'll just have to waitfor the beginning of the next game, or watch for them to go down.

[noble stone]

Word if you want them to go down easier put them in obvious spots but it’s HLL so obvious doesn’t always mean obvious

[past vortex]

not sure what the prob is

no supplies or all nodes already buld ?

#new-recruit-barracks message

[analog apex]

We don't know if they will keep developing it. I believe they were asking about it in the PTE form.

I hope they will scratch it and just make the TNT a part of some normal loadouts, maybe for the Spotter to disable the arty guns if they were to stay (which I hope won't be the case either - hopefully arty guns will be removed, made an off-map CMD call-in ability and in-map replaced with mortars and SPGs). But they need to add physical objectives to the OFFENSIVE gamemode instead.

I can't say I had any much fun in the OBJECTIVE mode myself. And making new and yet small maps just for the sake of gamemode or for the sake of a new faction... doesn't make sense. HLL is not meant to be about small maps.

[slate canopy]

The times I wish I had a satchel or AT mines for tanks as recon spotter lmaooo

[analog apex]

Yep, but the TNT should not kill a tank. Kill its engine at most when placed on in on the back.

HLL doesn't need another tank killer class especially since one gets a new explosive every respawn without any limitation. Especially not a class that can have OP anywhere.

[empty steppe]

Realest thing Sam has ever said

[empty steppe]

TNT should only be able to destroy trucks and halftracks and damage light vehicles

if it was ever added

also destroy fortifications, nodes, and artillery 😉

[arctic rampart]

People giving new players the tactics used in comp games, thinking it'll happen in a pub match 🥀

[empty steppe]

just tell them to throw themselves at the enemy and walk through empty fields

[analog apex]

They already know to do that, they are pros in that discipline 😄 .

[echo karma]

Nobody cares Ben. T17 has shown there incompetence already.

[wind shore]

About what?

[finite berry]

*their

[wind shore]

Are you teacher?

[pine ember]

Yes

And it’s not „Are you teacher?”, it’s “Are you a teacher?”
The article was missing

[wind shore]

Yes I know

That article is missing

[nova pivot]

Go find it

[pine ember]

Correct language is pretty important

[pine ember]

That "the" article is missing

[wind shore]

hi

[wind shore]

lets play hll

Not now

why

I’m finding my stuff

ok

Rn

im playing

Invite @pine ember him to play

you said i cant hes on pc

There is no crossplay?

it is but you cant have pc player as friend

[pine ember]

I don’t have time

I have to work

[wind shore]

Thanks NOT <@&365680483276816385>

[worthy charm]

huh?

[wind shore]

The guy posted ads of casino

[dull sage]

Hey guys, I have like ~200 hours (or more?) in HLL, I always get a little bit turned off by the FPS/performance i am getting in this game (mostly stutters, fps in stalingrand being borderline unplayable). I am getting around 50-80 to normal maps and 30-40ish in stalingrand. I have an i310100f and 1650 4GB. I know my system is old, but does anyone know if i can do anything to improve my performance ? DX12 does help, not sure if -useallavailablecores is still viable ? (downloading the game right now). Also, does view distance affect how much further away i can also see troops? and if so, does anyone know how much view distance each setting has? I am currently playing with everything low and view distance on high. cheers and thank you

[dense jewel]

Band of Brothers MOST HATED in Normandy 1944 Then and Now
https://youtu.be/HAfDxPHwrO0

[cosmic pilot]

Did I ask?

[slate canopy]

Useallcores is not viable. Switch between dx13 and dx11 in the menu. Also see if these settings help https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271341876569575505

[slate canopy]

I am at work 😒

[wind shore]

Sorry then

It’s gone , somebody posted ads

[slate canopy]

I mean ping is good, but cannot be mad at all of us. I don't have access to my phone freely. Lol

And it looks like the 🍯 got him, not one of us

[wind shore]

Okay

I didn’t know that , just pinged sorry

[dull sage]

Thank you!

[past vortex]

no parameters needed anymore
your cpu is just too slow (gpu too, but cpu is worse)

[thin lotus]

One easy trick to never have HLL issues again

[azure heath]

uninstall it?

[thin lotus]

👏

Well done, only few people know of this trick

100% success rate

[finite berry]

Or never install it in the first place

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956

[sick bramble]

I think it's going to be solution for update 18

[wind shore]

What solution

[bleak dust]

thanks hell let loose 10/10 ragebait crashing my game after a 1h30 game and with your beautiful exp system i got nothing ❤️

[sick bramble]

uninstall

they're reworking the worst map in the game instead of reworking most popular maps
SME, SMDM, Utah

[pine ember]

Stalingrad is by far not the worst map

[sick bramble]

those maps look ugly if u want to compare them with Mortain/Eisenborn

[pine ember]

It’s better than any town in Normandy

[worthy charm]

Another rework?

Naaah

[sick bramble]

Tell me, are these maps look good?

[worthy charm]

I would rather take the old maps backm wouldnt they be deleted

[worthy charm]

Which maps?

[pine ember]

A map in a Shooter doesn’t have to Look beautiful, I ain’t going there for Holiday

[sick bramble]

SME, SMDM

[worthy charm]

They are boring af

[pine ember]

Worst Maps in the Game

[analog apex]

🤬 😃

[sick bramble]

Not if you look at bush

And you want to womit slightly, because they're outdated

[pine ember]

So what?

[pine ember]

Then do that

[sick bramble]

Rework some assets

?

Like bush barriers in normandy

[forest lintel]

do british white phosphorous smokes deal damage?

[sick bramble]

To look better

[pine ember]

Yes, reworks are needed. But other aspects are more important

[wind shore]

Why it needs to be reworked?

[worthy charm]

I would rather play kharcov or torbuk instead of smd/smdm every two games

[sick bramble]

reworked in cosmetic way

[pine ember]

This

[wind shore]

And why , we don’t need reworks on SME SMD

[worthy charm]

Hell I would even prefer a round Hürtgen or even Hill 400

[wind shore]

Keep it as it is please

[analog apex]

I could play SME and especially SMdM all day long... unlike the other maps
if the rotation would be SMdM, SME, Foy and Utah beach... paradise

[sick bramble]

ground on these maps reflects light like mirror

[wind shore]

And?

And keep current skyboxes please, they are amazing

[sick bramble]

your eyes feel pain

ground reflects more light than snow

You can see the difference if you play offensive versions of these maps

there is no sun in offensive

weather changes a lot on some assets

[sick bramble]

oh i forgot about these two

[pine ember]

Best maps ngl

[sick bramble]

or maybe change Anti-Aliasing

Its the worst part in the game

Game feels to pixelized or too blur

even community TAA is not the best

instead of changing assets

[azure heath]

why rework the best maps?

[sick bramble]

cosmetic rework

[azure heath]

fair

[sick bramble]

like ground, foliage only

snow in foy is more enjoyable to watch than land on sme

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sbza-gif-25604460

need fallschirmjager africa front uniform

[azure heath]

foy's my favorite by far

[sick bramble]

buildings are the same I think

foliage changes a lot

[azure heath]

yes, for the most part

[sick bramble]

the lighting for foy is excellent

adapted to assets

[obsidian dove]

bro

how do I maximize points its so hard

[river rover]

Building nodes.

[obsidian dove]

I CANT BUILD ANY

[pine ember]

Why are you screaming?

[obsidian dove]

literally played 10 matches and barely got any progress on any classes

[brittle shuttle]

bruh i keep shooting people just for them to turn around and 1 tap me with a bazooka

[covert elbow]

That’s how the game works

It takes at least 50 hours of non-stop grinding to get to level 10

[past vortex]

maybe you finally tell us WHY you cant ?

i think its probably a skill issue tho :}

[worthy charm]

With lvl 50 you could go see Bob.

🔨

[past vortex]

no need for bob, just do that while seeding

[obsidian dove]

i have no money for it

[past vortex]

well people would tell you how to do it for free but you got that communication problem, so....

[worthy charm]

Money? Why money?

[past vortex]

bob really wants money

[worthy charm]

Do they now want money?

[past vortex]

yea

[worthy charm]

Fr?😂

UFF

[past vortex]

some is free but a lot is payed

[worthy charm]

Thats so greedy holy

[past vortex]

i mean the server costs money and everyone only visits for a short time

so no community who would donate

but the prices are too high

[obsidian dove]

Everytime when I join the server, it demands money to play on it

[worthy charm]

Thats makes it slightly better, but its still far from fine if you ask me.

[past vortex]

its also unneeded

you have almost the same effect when seeding and that does something good

[midnight oar]

Wassup, everyone? I literally just bought the game and I'm downloading now. I'm normally a CoD guy but, I'm wanting more strategy...

As a new player, do you have any tips? Advice? Anything?

[past vortex]

use mic, see if you can find a squad where you can sak questions

no idea how to find that on console tho

some servers say "new players welcome"

[worthy charm]

Here is a short tutorial #telegrams message

[finite berry]

Pay attention to your surroundings, don't rush, move from cover to cover, only engage when you are safe and try to memorise weapon sounds

[worthy charm]

You forgot kill the enemy.

[finite berry]

I think he can figure that out for himself

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/tussan-shocked-no-way-surprised-gif-16452539494136921092

[past vortex]

some people actually get that wrong and kill friendlies

[topaz lodge]

don`t giveup in front of the medic, please 🥹

[past vortex]

i need those grenades tho

[worthy charm]

Ah, I forgot that! Just a short ranking for the classes from most to least usefull: Support/Squadlead > Everythings else (without medic) > Medic

-# The comments above can have traces of sarcasm and salt.

[past vortex]

yea and dont keep the support role

[worthy charm]

Thats only important, if your SL wants to use the supplies. Which most dont do in the average public game.

[past vortex]

its ok as long as you are prepared to immediatly redploy when on cooldown and supplies are needed

but even that is a delay

[autumn gulch]

WHY, WHY. I took a break and now you made it have friendly markers. Why? Are people unable to distinguish between friendly and enemy

[topaz lodge]

supplies and microphone

[autumn gulch]

You used to not see all the friendlies marked and now it's for dummies

[azure heath]

Maybe you played a different game before?

We’ve always had friendly markers.

I think you might’ve played Squad44, formerly Post Scriptum.

[past vortex]

its a setting

[azure heath]

And you can always turn them off in the gameplay settings.

[covert elbow]

When St. Lo

[wind shore]

#telegrams message

[azure heath]

?

[pine ember]

Hopefully no more US maps for now and more reworks

[solar slate]

I hope they de-rework el alamein and improve tobruk graphics

[winter rover]

Anzioooo

Monte Cassinoooo

[worthy charm]

👀

Are we at this point of the day again?

[winter rover]

ok fine, how about

Give us select fire mode and bipod for BAR!

[pine ember]

More Eastern or Africa front maps would be preferred

[worthy charm]

The point that we throw in every map/nation/weapon/vehicle "we" want into the chat.

[pine ember]

Jagdtiger.

[worthy charm]

What did I just say

[pine ember]

Deutsche Qualität.

[winter rover]

More quality of life, improvements to the overall gameplay is preferred 😄

[wind shore]

I’m waiting for 20 August, idk. Ninjas asked when Saint Lo. The last telegram was about event

[pine ember]

I bet there will either be bigger news than the new map or it will just become the usual two week hype and after that Even more problems

[wind shore]

Yeah I really don’t know what it is

But it’s something big and cool , and trailer

[pine ember]

We dont know

[wind shore]

Yes it would big and unexpected

We don’t know at all

[worthy charm]

Gigantic?

[past vortex]

gargantuan

extraordinary

[worthy charm]

or some could eveny say Titanic

[wind shore]

🪨

I hope I will get time machine and went in WW1 times

Such a lovely time was I think, or before

[pine ember]

You dont want to

We look back and think how lovely it was, but no, it surely wasn’t

[worthy charm]

Like hell let lose?

[wind shore]

It was, just chilling and drink alcohol 🍷 and visiting a lot of different places before WW1

[pine ember]

That wouldn’t be possible

[wind shore]

Why though

[pine ember]

No planes back then, and traveling was too expensive for most. And even if you could afford it, it still was long and dangerous

[wind shore]

But it was imperial armies so I like it, they had such a rich life before WW1

[pine ember]

Nope, they hadn’t

[wind shore]

Yes, but you have horse, your house, luxury life

[pine ember]

We are richer than ever before

[pine ember]

Compared to your average lifestyle nowadays it isn’t luxurious

[wind shore]

I would say it is different

[pine ember]

Yea, maybe

But objectively it’s clear

[wind shore]

Yes, I think but it was honest. Everybody fought.

[pine ember]

It wasn’t. It was hell on earth and all for nothing

[wind shore]

Also rich also poor, it was doesn’t matter. In Russian empire poor peasants didn’t fought mostly, only if you was nobleman you could go and fighting. It was privileged

And if we look at WW2 German Generals - most of them fought in WW1

Doesn’t matter rich or poor who was, they fought

[pine ember]

Not really, many Russian peasants that didn’t even know how to read fought in WW1

[wind shore]

But before it wasn’t like this

Only if you nobleman you fighting and have that such privilege

[pine ember]

Nope

[wind shore]

How it was before, peasants were on land

[wind shore]

Yes

• it was very honest in WW2 , Stalins son fought, German Generals , their sons fought as simple soldiers in the battlefields. And if we take WW1

And before - Prussian war etc

[pine ember]

Combat in WW2 was anything but honest

Especially the Eastern front was pure hell where no mercy was given to anyone

[wind shore]

Yes, but German generals fought ownselves in WW1, and their sons in WW2

Same if we take Russian empire - it was such prestige to fight in WW1

[pine ember]

Still, it’s no war of honor

It surely wasn’t

They didn’t even have proper equipment

[wind shore]

Eastern front was dynamically in WW1

Battle of Karpatians

[pine ember]

Even there you often had trench warfare

[wind shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152891668014575657/1403488522152972380/IMG_6182.gif

Generalfeldmarschall Anton Ludwig Friedrich August von Mackensen

This was the man of honor

[pine ember]

Depends on your definition of man of honor

[wind shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152891668014575657/1403488976873984072/IMG_6184.gif

[wind shore]

He fought in different wars, he was Generalfeldmarshall

He was veteran of Franco-Prussian war

[pine ember]

So what?

That doesn’t automatically mean he’s a hero

[wind shore]

Why he wasn’t?

These rewards like Pour le Mérite, Ver Diesnr, Big Irons Cross says a lot

[pine ember]

A man of honor isn’t defined by some ribbons on his uniform

[wind shore]

It is

Those rewards means something

He didn’t bought them in store

He deserved them on war and in military service

[past vortex]

medals for high ranking officers dont mean much

they often got that automatically

by senority

and he was very senior :}

oldest surviving prussian general

died shortly after fleeing the red army 45

[wind shore]

If look at his eyes we can see he had seen a lot

And he is very clever

[past vortex]

dude :D

[wind shore]

Wdym

[past vortex]

how is it going with the fine btw

[past vortex]

forgot a "red" there

[wind shore]

What do you think about Moscow battle in 1941

[azure heath]

When is Moscow battle of 1946 coming out

[wind shore]

I don’t know, was operation Typhoon in 1941

[pine ember]

Not really

[pine ember]

8km…

[winter rover]

Borrrrinnnng

[wind shore]

We won’t get map for 1941 at current time

[pine ember]

It surely isn’t

[wind shore]

Winter conditions / sunny

[pine ember]

It was the largest single battle ever

[winter rover]

Already played the barbarossa maps in Squad 44, hated it. Boring weapons and Soviets have op tanks

[wind shore]

Not it really wasn’t, operation Barbarossa was biggest one

[pine ember]

Ah right, you were the casual guy

[winter rover]

Yeah in HLL, not S44

[pine ember]

Operation Barbarossa wasn’t a single battle

[winter rover]

The T-34 and KV-1 are too op

[pine ember]

Just make them realistic and deactivate voice chat for their crews

[wind shore]

No it is not so realistic

[pine ember]

It is

[wind shore]

They comminicated with flags

[pine ember]

They had no radios

[wind shore]

It would cause problems in communication

[pine ember]

That’s why I said voice comms…

[wind shore]

And in gameplay

[pine ember]

Like it was irl

[wind shore]

Ok let’s get rear, thousands of players on 1 server

Like it was irl

[pine ember]

And id say make the T34 and KV1 rare, as in real life

[pine ember]

That won’t work

This isn’t WW1 either where masses of troops clashed

[winter rover]

Besides that, still boring

[wind shore]

Also same thing with flag communication it wouldn’t work

[pine ember]

Certainly not

[winter rover]

I already played it, didn't like it.

[pine ember]

So did I

[winter rover]

France 1940 is a lot more fun

[wind shore]

I played enlisted and it was pretty fun - to play early maps in 1941

[pine ember]

And I liked it

[wind shore]

Yes, enlisted is a good game

[pine ember]

Just another France map is boring

[wind shore]

Which maps did you played?

[pine ember]

We weren’t talking about enlisted, and 1941 in enlisted isn’t accurate either

We talked about Squad44

[wind shore]

You said you liked it

Enlisted

[pine ember]

Squad 44

Enlisted not

[winter rover]

HLL would be best if it went to Italy

[wind shore]

No you don’t know either how enlisted was fun

[pine ember]

No

[wind shore]

If it wasn’t enlisted I haven’t found hell let loose

[pine ember]

I played it, and I don’t like it

[winter rover]

Anzio, Monte Cassino, etc would be so fun

[wind shore]

We should make ArmA server on WW2

[pine ember]

Italy would fit best with the commonwealth

Don’t forget Ortona

[wind shore]

We need download WW2 mod for ArmA

And can make WW2 server

[pine ember]

Bingo

[pine ember]

There are many

[wind shore]

Would you play it?

[pine ember]

Arma?

[wind shore]

WW2

[pine ember]

Depends

Anyways, back to HLL, I think with a few reworks and new subfactions 1941 could work pretty well

[wind shore]

You will back in HLL?

[pine ember]

What?

[full musk]

are we ever gonna get panzerfaust?

[winter rover]

useless addition

[wind shore]

Better to get panzer pistole

It would be more useful and accurate

[pine ember]

Hopefully

[wind shore]

Nvm

[pine ember]

That thing wasn’t used as much as the Panzerfaust

And it would be less useful

[wind shore]

It wouldn’t be less

[cosmic pilot]

Bro, your username is sensory overload

Mr kedo hehfdbdsdbjitswcvyrd is typing ong

[wind shore]

Wdym

[pine ember]

It would be less effective

[wind shore]

But more common

[pine ember]

Not even that

[full musk]

it doesnt have to be "useful" its just nice to have more weapon variations

[pine ember]

The Panzerfaust is the best Choice for that

Or the G41

[wind shore]

No it was not even pzfaust until 1944 on the eastern front

It’s not correct for the Eastern front

We have enough weapons for Normandy, we need something for the eastern front

[pine ember]

I know

For an Eastern Front subfaction the Panzerbüchse or the Püppchen would be good

Or More shaped charges, the Germans used a magnetic one

[wind shore]

We need to have ability to eat in HLL, when you play sometimes you can feel hungry, so you can eat food

[wind shore]

Explain please

[pine ember]

Please no stamina system

[pine ember]

Earlier Soviet tanks often had bad visibility, and the Germans had a mine that was magnetic and sticked to them

So just run to the tanks, place the charge and boom

[wind shore]

Yeah I’ve seen it

[past vortex]

medics could have a wrench and a grill blueprint

[wind shore]

It would just damage tank

[pine ember]

It does enough damage to knock it out

[worthy charm]

Lets not make medic to op

[wind shore]

Give medic flamethrowers

And panzerfaust as second weapon

[worthy charm]

Panzerfaust as a gadget and Mg42 as a second weapon.

[pine ember]

Give everyone a FG42

[wind shore]

Give soldiers smartphones

[wind shore]

And give them ability to be pilots on planes

[worthy charm]

With scopes and bipods tho

[wind shore]

And fancy skins like Cossacks

When you will run you suit would flying on wind

And ability to jump and make animation like in COD of unique melee attack

battle of Atlantic would fit

[past vortex]

the pistol for the 2nd medic loadout should have a scope

[worthy charm]

Indeed, but with 16x zoom please.

Ah, what am I talking...

Make it 32x

[sharp gazelle]

spricht jemand deutsch

[wind shore]

Day count until 20 August:
Day 1

[wind shore]

They speak

[oak current]

#german

[sharp gazelle]

Ok

[wind shore]

11 days until 20 August

[winter rover]

Since the precision strike rework is in the roadmap,

Does it mean they will remove the stuka?

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-shocked-crypto-oh-no-nervous-gif-16034496979879171131

I don’t think that it is a good idea to remove Stuka

[pine ember]

Hopefully since for most maps the FW190 fits better

[wind shore]

This means that German precious strike didn’t worked correctly

[winter rover]

It doesn't make sense to have it

[wind shore]

And maybe they gonna fix its accuracy

[pine ember]

Or better yet, remove precision strike, airhead and bombing run at all

[wind shore]

Yes, and Commander abilities for supplies

[winter rover]

I can't believe S44 has a stuka in its 1944 maps lmao

[finite berry]

Stuka pretty much was not a thing anymore later in the war

[pine ember]

That should stay

[finite berry]

Same here. It's been pointed out, but it has no priority right now.

[pine ember]

It was, but barely and then more the G version with the 37mm guns

[winter rover]

No it was, on the eastern front though mainyl

[pine ember]

FW190 would be better

[finite berry]

Fw 190, my beloved

Beautiful plane

[pine ember]

Yep, there it’s accurate for the timeframe we have right now

[wind shore]

Yes but we have lots of things to fix it before Stukas , we don’t have anything proper for maps of Eastern front and Africa

[winter rover]

G was mainly used in 1942-43

[pine ember]

Henschel Hs 123 as a replacement would be cool

[wind shore]

From vehicles

[pine ember]

Also later in the war, but the later you get, the rarer the Stuka was

[winter rover]

in 44-45 it was mainly used during night harassment sorties

The G

Last time it was really used successfully was during the warsaw uprising 1944

Even the B variant was used

[pine ember]

Yep

FW190 > Stuka

[wind shore]

What about Panzer G in Africa and Luchs? STG 44 on the Eastern front? Panthers in Stalingrad? IS-1 ?

[winter rover]

if you want true realism, remove german planes from Western front maps 🤣

[pine ember]

Not all of them

[pine ember]

Panzer G?

[wind shore]

Yes

Pz 4 G

[pine ember]

Just make an eastern front subfaction where the G43 is replaced by the G41, StG removed, same as the panther yet a Panzer III is introduced. Ah and all wear normal feldgrau, only DLC available there should be the Zeltbahn

[pine ember]

It’s accurate

[wind shore]

Yes but Luchs not

[pine ember]

Luchs is inaccurate in it’s entirety

Germany barely used light tanks after 1942

[wind shore]

So that means balance, nobody could remove Stukas or Precision strike planes

It makes a lot of sense when recon works together with Commander

Also Soviets could get own bombardier planes

[pine ember]

Why not? It’s barely used and is just an unnecessary feature

Just use normal AT

[wind shore]

Who said it’s barely used?

[pine ember]

Better, remove the bombing run and replace it with an artillery strike

[wind shore]

Sometimes tanks eliminated by precious strikes or garrisons

[pine ember]

I barely see it being used and only used it once

[wind shore]

Or infantry also

[wind shore]

You have artillery

[wind shore]

I use it always as Commander and get a lot of kills

[pine ember]

A commander ability for it would be better and more realistic

[wind shore]

It was radio operators who called it

And was spotter for it

Request arty strike could most of the officers

[pine ember]

Yep, and the commander is an officer who would be able to call that in

[wind shore]

And officers

[pine ember]

Squad leaders aren’t that high of a rank

[wind shore]

Better to get mortar squads for offensive mode, offensive teams would have them and it would be more realistically

[wind shore]

It doesn’t need to be high rank to call the arty

[pine ember]

Another squad type would be a mess

[pine ember]

It does, at least a higher than a squad leader

Commander is able to do it, squad leaders aren’t

[wind shore]

Irl it was squad leaders

[forest lintel]

bruh my squad lead haven't said a single word since game start and is now trying to do solo arty

[pine ember]

No

[wind shore]

Ok

[finite berry]

Not during OPMG. We actually had air superiority there.

[past vortex]

maybe switch squad?

[pine ember]

People in general underestimate the Luftwaffe on the western front. There is a reason why the troops in the east were completely destroyed by IL2s, all German air power was in the West

IL2 is one of the few pieces of Russian engineering I admire

[wind shore]

I like Russian T-34 film more and Russian films about WW2 more.
Nobody demonised the enemy in T-34 film unlike Fury. They just did war crimes in Fury and it was justified. In T-34 nobody did this and in the last battle they meet with each other and German tanker died before he shakes the hand to Soviet tank crew man

And at all in Russian films about WW2 it represented with out any demonisation of enemy’s. It is good

Fury film: Americans shoot captured Germans. And it shows as normal.
T-34 film - Soviet tank crew man shake hand to German tank crew man, before his tank falling down from the bridge. 1 by 1 the last fighting.

This really shows mercy to enemy and nobody would hurts from it

And more others Russian films, a lot of WW2 moments

[past vortex]

fury is really a bad film

but russian ww2 films... omfg :D

[covert elbow]

We’re just going to ignore the fact that the war crime in fury was meant to be a horrible moment and was a statement about how in war soldiers don’t particularly care about for rules

[past vortex]

there were multiple war crimes

some ok some really bad

[covert elbow]

It was shown multiple times that the crime they executed the German for, looting bodies, was done by those very troops as a lot of them had stolen equipment

[past vortex]

yea

[covert elbow]

The Germans would have done the same exact thing

[past vortex]

the ss man they shot was ok

the almost r*pe was borderline

[covert elbow]

The whole handshake thing in fury was just weird

[covert elbow]

Yes

The U.S. were not saints

There were thousands of rapes across Europe by the U.S. It was outlawed but it still happened

All nations did the exact thing and should all be equally damned for it

[past vortex]

some more some less tho

[covert elbow]

No

[past vortex]

ofc

russia encouraged it

[covert elbow]

All crimes should be dealt the same

[past vortex]

it was almost madatory

[covert elbow]

Source?

Cause the Russians absolutely raped and pillaged across Europe but that’s a very horrible statement to call it “mandatory”

[past vortex]

ofc its the wrong word

but the propaganda kinda created social pressure

it also wouldnt stop, they had to confine the troops to the barracks til the end of the cold war
i have seen that myself :}

[tawny tree]

Is there a fix for an XP bug where level progress isn't saved after matches? (I've been playing several matches today, starting at level 25, and even if I level up to 26 after the match, that XP is lost and I still have 25 over and over.)

[slate canopy]

#1271344362437214208 message

[tawny tree]

But my game is not private as far as I know

[slate canopy]

read beyond the first line 😉 It's possible solutions

[tawny tree]

Ok, did it, going to test in another match

[empty steppe]

We talking ww2 films made by Russia?

Because Enemy at the gates better not be included 😭🤣

[empty steppe]

When I watched fury I wouldn’t say it “demonized” the Germans, it more just showed how terrible the whole war and situation was in the later stages of the conflict in a dramatized way. And also, I’m pretty sure the Americans during that time period, were demonizing the Germans and the Germans were demonizing the Americans. As I said, It’s definitely extremely dramatized for film. But I wouldn’t say it’s a bad rendering

And the war crimes committed in that movie are fully believable and I’m almost certain cases can be found

I mean the entire movie until the end makes you absolutely hate watching what they are putting the new gunner through for “initiation”

[tawny tree]

Didn't work, I'm still missing XP

[slate canopy]

Are others on the server having the same issue?

[tawny tree]

Not that I'm aware of

I asked, almost everyone said it's "weird"

[slate canopy]

Cleared steam cache, double checked for updates, also in admin mode?

[tawny tree]

Yes

[slate canopy]

Have you tried another server?

[tawny tree]

I also took an screenshot of the XP after the match, and in the barracks it shows less

[past vortex]

yea try another server to see if it is server specific

[tawny tree]

It's the 3th server with this issue

[slate canopy]

Then you'll probably h ave to contact Team17.

What servers did oyu play on?

[tawny tree]

1# and 2# DIV33, and #02 Comunidad Hispana

In all this servers I have issues with XP, the only one I never had problems is #1 of Comunidad Hispana, but its usually an empty server so...

[slate canopy]

It could be server side... but cannot say for sure. Contact Team17 #player-support

[tawny tree]

Okay, thanks!

[wintry thistle]

It wasn't almost

It happened inside the tank

[covert elbow]

Yea it’s the point of the movie. War is horrible and men become horrible because of it. Showing the “honorable side of the war” by having 2 tank commanders shake hands is stupid

Also enemy at the gates was an American film and is hated by pretty much everyone because of its horrible portrayal of the Russian army and the dumb myths it’s spawned

[empty steppe]

It’s American and French produced, but yes absolutely

[covert elbow]

Like sure, the red army had some supply issues and harsh discipline but not like that. Not even close

[empty steppe]

Also, let’s just pretend the Soviets irl didn’t shoot basically all of the pow’s they captured, and if they had info they would torture them 🤣

[covert elbow]

Yep

Said it before but people do not acknowledge how awful the soviets were in WW2

[cosmic pilot]

it's horrible enough without the myths basically

[covert elbow]

Them and the Germans are one of the most brutal and unnecessarily ruthless army’s in the history of the world

[covert elbow]

Exactly

[empty steppe]

Besides Kahn, absolutely

[cosmic pilot]

^from europe

[empty steppe]

Fueled by hatred and slaughter of the innocent

[covert elbow]

I updated my statement haha

[empty steppe]

Both sides, but I will say, the Soviets had a pretty good reason to be ruthless

[covert elbow]

Cause I completely forgot the Japanese

[covert elbow]

Not really

They also systematically executed and commited genocide on a ton of peoples

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If I got half my country destroyed and my family killed or sent to concentration camps, I don’t think I’d be too fair either 😅

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The gulag wasn’t a nice place we’ll say

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Not even that

There is a sickening amount of Soviet warcrimes on the civilian populace

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hll >> battlefield 6

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https://tenor.com/view/north-korea-kim-jong-un-horse-riding-horse-gif-16742416

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my man

speak truth to power ✊

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eh idk man

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It's sad that Fury destroys all these very good points by few scenes that scream "Murica f u ck yeah"

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Yea all in all the movie is really meh

It has some fantastic set design and costume dressing but you can’t watch it with a single braincell activated

That field crossing with the tanks and infantry, while really cool, is a horrible tactical maneuver that should have failed instantly

You’re telling me German troops with a zeroed in field of fire that have proven themselves very capable of destroying a platoons worth of vehicles and Halftracks, they miss and richichet the slow moving tanks heading right for them?

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With the Paks that magically all manage to miss? :')

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Yeah nope, sorry, T-34 is just goofy propaganda.

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Speaking of which, what other war crimes were there in Fury?

Both sides

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u guys talking about the Geneva suggestions?

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Yes

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Can’t remember but I would assume using children as soliders counts as a war crime for the Germans

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get out

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True, good point

Thanks

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What did kind of propaganda?

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there is multiple tricks that you would no have feelings negative about Fury characters

I meant it is shown like anyways they stay heroes

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Have you watched it

So I wouldn’t spoil about films just some moments

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Russian WW2 movies are just straight up bad

German ones are far better

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This film exist on YouTube full version of who wants to watch - it’s on YT. T-34

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So is Stalingrad

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We have watched it already

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Better watch a real anti war movie and not some weird Russian propaganda movies

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Stalingrad 1993, Stalingrad 2014

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The 2014 version is bs

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Fury isn’t propaganda?

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Not as much as T34, just look above for that

I don’t like fury either, but still prefer it over T34

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You haven’t watched them seems like

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I have

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T-34 I guess you haven’t seen

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In T34 the plot alone makes no sense

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And also in Russian films there is less and less demonisation of Germans in WW2 films

At all - 0

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That’s just false

Either they portray it completely wrong or the Germans are faceless and emotionless bots

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No , they showing emotions

You didn’t watch none of them

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Only in some situations

Oh, I did

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In all situations like in Unsere Mutter, it’s less demonisation

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Which films

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Unsere Mütter isn’t a Russian Movie, it’s German. That’s why it’s so good

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…

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T34, 28 men,…

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Ok

28 Panfilovets

Did you watch the Last Tiger?

||https://youtu.be/yZDix5w-SU4?si=UWfFoaG-f8FTYbP7|| Spoiler of T-34 film ending

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The last tiger is a war story from BFV

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I watched that

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Yes but somebody others maybe don’t

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Completely unrealistic and nonsense

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So less spoilers

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But it’s interesting to watch, it’s not documental film

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Still it should stay somewhat realistic if the topic was a real conflict and it’s not explicitly stated that it’s an alternative fiction

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Who say it would be documented and 1:1?

It’s good cinematic effects

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No one. But if based on real events and when it’s not pointed out it’s a fiction it should stay mostly realistic

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In the film Burnt by the Sun 2 Germans air force Luftwaffe following the convention and did not wanted to attack Red Cross ship.

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No? They go out like soliders making a last stand for a pointless reason. They aren’t hero’s by any means. In fact their deaths are quite sad as it’s a pointless death but means everything to their hearts. At least war daddy’s

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God no

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That might have happened that the Germans refused to attack such a target

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Yes, it showed that they followed conventions, it doesn’t even propaganda or demonise

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Best war movie is Das Boot, period

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But often they didn’t, and often, they are demonized

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So then ok

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Please give me certain example

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Movies that demonize any group are bad movies. Movies that portray life as it was are good movies. Simple as

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Yes, better to get neutral or better friendly atmosphere

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Cherry picking examples and saying “the west consistently demonize the Germans for no good reason!” sounds pretty Nazi to me

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But in modern Russian films you always see the order 227

In most of films

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In one movie

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And Germans at least - doesn’t being shoot by Soviets, and follows the convention in films

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One movie from 1994 that has been bashed and criticized

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Barely

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Not in one, in 95% of them

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Modern Russian WW2 movies just promote modern Russian ideology

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Name me another film

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Rzhev

“A zori zdes tihie”

I don’t know the translation of those words and in Russian also , zori

Rotten apples ( sheep )

4th days in May

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Okay so from what I’ve read order 227 was used because the battle took place while the order was in effect

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Ivan Denisovich 2021 film

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For it’s not, if west respect enemy in their films

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This is a Soviet film from 1972???

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No, new one

2015

West not always demonise enemies but I’m about Fury

I don’t like how it was shown, I thought it’s about heroising that, - shoot captured soldiers

I love saving private Ryan more

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Dude I genuinely don’t understand what the hell your saying anymore

So… the west is bad because we demonize the Nazis

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Yes but in which films we can see the scenes where Americans shake hand to German soldiers

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Something that has been used in cinema since 1939 since Y’know. Their Nazi’s

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Or give them food or somehow communicate with them with out shooting captured soldiers

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Despite the fact that Soviets have made tons of films that also would have “demonized” the Nazis

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I didn’t mentioned Soviets film so

I’ve watched them also

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Kedo. I think you might be a Nazi because you have a very strange infatuation with supporting and defending them

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I said Russian films , mostly nowhere demonising

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I said about war crimes, in Russian films nobody did them to enemy’s, and especially no demonisation

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Russian films do more often demonize Germans than you are saying, and western ones do less as you are suggesting. End of discussion

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You have obviously not watched enough American cinema nor have you read enough American accounts from the war because aside from the SS the US and Germans forces were mainly civil

You are one of the most Russian Russians I have ever talked to haha

You are a man out of time. Sure you aren’t a time traveler from the Cold War?

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Imo Cold War was a fiction for me

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Go to west and take sweets. Well done. Sit down. Your mark for this class is 10. 😌

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I already did

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K

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Ok…

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Thanks 🥰

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Add Fallschirmjäger to that list; but aside from that, I think the Western powers and the Germans treated each other exceptionally well, exceptions proving the rule.

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That wasn't a compliment

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But it’s good

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Oh yes, Fallschirmjäger were pretty cruel too and one account said “they were fighting a different kind of war” which is true

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Cold War it’s just fake exchange of technologies and little bit expansions

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They were less ideological than the SS, but far more than the rest of the Wehrmacht

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It was boosting of progress

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That’s false

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And race

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And remember, both sides took their knowledge from Germans

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Yes, scientists went to different countries

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The Soviets would have never catched up with the US if they hadn’t had German scientists

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For me West and USSR it was the same

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They were forced

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Just their reflections in the mirror

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Democratic asked* to follow in that train

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No

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Did not know that

Indoctrination and a belief all others were below you would do that though

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I think there was an order of a US (or British?) commander to not take prisoners when it's SS or Fallschirmjäger.

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I know it’s created a pretty toxic environment in the modern day military so I can only imagine what a drug addled racial superiority complex would add to it

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Wasn't it Patton?

Absolutely not sure, tho

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I watched about this and it was said that Patton was cut from fuel, cause he was moving so fast

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Don’t think so, but I remember hearing that somewhere

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For me , I prefer Russian empire rather than Soviets

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Your in an arguably worse situation with the empire then the Soviet state

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It is power for me

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Power???

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I don’t understand with which Ninja I talk

Your profile picture changes every 2 minutes

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Not as much as the SS, but they also were an ideological force and even had similar roots.
Different to your normal Infanterie or Panzerdivision, they didn’t originate in the Reichswehr

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Yes, well manufactured country than USSR , Russian empire

And army was stronger

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No, by far not

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I just changed my pfp after months of having one

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Russian Empire was far behind