mess-hall

[analog apex]

I would set it maybe to a 1m timer so they can get in safely 😄

[harsh tinsel]

I managed to get 8 folks with the satchel but the bombing run managed to get a wave of infantry and a garrison, it was good value

But I had no idea the satchel was THAT effective.

It has SUCH a big aoe even from buildings

[analog apex]

in that case yep

[harsh tinsel]

I only figured it out later once I died to a satchel on the other side of a housing complex on a moving tank

[analog apex]

yep, the satchel explosion kills everybody in its range - walls or not, ground or not

[harsh tinsel]

Anyway going to get some sleep.. Definitely one of my fav games now. I need to squad up in here for good comms in the future

[analog apex]

yeah, a squad with good comms that talks is like playing in a paradise

good night 🙂

[silk igloo]

what if available manpower and income was divided between each squad and squad type, where infantry would get ~90%, and every class would cost 1-10 manpower, so it made sense for tankers to bail out and save themselves, and recon to stay as recon? maybe 0 manpower for riflemen

[vale garnet]

What does this even mean

[gentle lintel]

I believe he’s speaking business: ROIs and dividends

[silk igloo]

Like if the team had a MP income of 100 per minute, 90 of it would be given to infantry squads. Let's say there's 6 squads, that's 15 manpower for each per minute. If every class cost you 1 to respawn, that squad could die and respawn 15 times each minute without noticing anything, but if they wanted to use classes like assault, AR, machinegunner that cost 3 each, they would soon run out of their squad manpower and would either have to wait or choose a cheaper class. If they kept dying.

Then, if team had less infantry squads, they could afford better classes more often, and if there was a swarm of infantry squads, they would afford only basic classes. If the team had many tank squads and less infantry, the infantry could afford more firepower but the tankers might run out of tankers sooner than tanks.

[vale garnet]

So discourage the use of utility classes in favour of more riflemen and make it even harder to get anything done nice one

[silk igloo]

Assault and AR are useless classes anyway and they only pollute the field with automatics. It would discourage running and dying, necessary classes would still be affordable. Tankers would bail out when they know they're cooked and would need a ride back to HQ. People would rather wait a few seconds for a medic than respawn as a rifleman. People in general would avoid dying stupidly, without getting overtly punished by losing the entire game or their spawn, which is what tickets do. And to make it a bit easier, let people freely redeploy on a friendly garrison.

better yet, let the commander demote a squad to only rifles if they do poorly, and use their MP to something else 🤪

[analog apex]

I suggested something in this direction before too

local manpower (serving as spawn tickets) and local ammunition (serving for respawning rearmed)

[visual niche]

Gammon bomb buff when..?

[analog apex]

but in my suggestion it was about refilling the spawnpoints with manpower/ammunition manually with supply truck or Commander's new power, passively only via nodes in range of the spawnpoints - so your idea about some portion going automatically to the squads sounds nice as doesn't require any manual action 👍 @silk igloo

[silk igloo]

I suppose an easier way to achieve similar results would be to have individual cooldowns for each class. Even if it can be somewhat avoided by rotating the class within a squad, it'd still motivate the individual. 3 minute cooldown for AR, for example. Wouldnt work with tankers though as there's no options.

[vale garnet]

Assault is so far from useless. AR is also extremely good on certain maps.

All you’re doing is making bad players struggle more and enjoy the game less.

Changing to a ticket system is a straight up dumb idea

[silk igloo]

If I had a dollar every time I had an assault and AR in my squad, but no support and AT when we direly need both, I'd have 372 dollars

[vale garnet]

Okay? And you play with bad players, not everyone else’s problem

If I set up behind an OP and farm them so hard it stops people being able to use anything but rifleman because of a weird resource system, they are absolutely screwed, that’s no fun for anyone

[analog apex]

how come this is not being a problem in SQ44 nor any other ticket-based shooters?

[silk igloo]

if they keep respawning on an OP without warning that it's camped, it's them who are bad and deserve to lose

[analog apex]

this

[silk igloo]

also every match is filled with bad players because i often check the scoreboard when we are missing blue garris or have a problem with tanks, and there's always at least one squad, usually more, that do not have them. AT and support.

[analog apex]

if they will see their spawn is spawncamped, then obviously with the tickets in mind they stop spawning on it right? And the spawncampers knowing this, won't expect any huge kills there either.

[vale garnet]

This game isn’t squad, it’s not even comparable.

HLL is closer to battlefield than any milsim

[analog apex]

I never said anything about HLL being milsim or close to it

[vale garnet]

Stop trying to make the game harder for literally no reason

[analog apex]

doesn't matter if a game is milsim or not as long as it has tickets that are according to you, exploitable/griefable

[silk igloo]

it's only hard because a few people have to carry the entire team

[nova pivot]

The game is not hard

[vale garnet]

It’s not hard and that’s why it’s fun, anyone can pick up the basics, take time and you can master them

[finite berry]

If you are too dumb to understand that respawning on a spawn that's actively getting camped, you deserve to lose with a 0/50 K/D

[vale garnet]

No? If an OP is in a good spot sometimes you’re better off just spawning and seeing if you can get the guy

[finite berry]

Stop trying to keep the game easy for literally no reason

[analog apex]

endless grinds or stalemates with endless corpse piles on both sides... doesn't sound like fun - that's what a ticketLess system brings

[silk igloo]

it's hard trying to solve problems on the map when people would rather play AR and assault than AT and support, in most squads. Then you lose, because it's hard to play with such people.

[nova pivot]

Yes but the game is not hard

People make it hard

[vale garnet]

You being a poor SL doesn’t make the game inherently hard

Skill issue doesn’t equal a game problem

[analog apex]

for individual, no. For the team, yes.

anyway that's beside the point here imo

[silk igloo]

mfer, how am i a bad SL if the first thing I did was ask for supplies and nobody has comms or goes to play support?

i've 0 problems when people do have comms

[vale garnet]

If you’re willing to SL in pubs you have to be willing to extract performance from players, locked squad and bring in mics only or whatever.

90% of the people who “don’t help” are just not knowledgeable about the game

[analog apex]

it all comes down to this - without any kind of tickets, the people are not being encoruaged to stay alive, they don't care about the medics, they don't care about their ammo as they get new at each respawn and meatgrinds can be endless
=> ticketLess system brings objectivelly only the problems while the ticket system solves them

[vale garnet]

You’re saying it’s a problem, a lot of others like the way the game plays

Your “problem” is purely subjective

[silk igloo]

then it's better to filter them out of the game by punishing their bad habits, take their useless STG away from them

[analog apex]

and a lot of others say otherwise

[vale garnet]

Right? But there is no ticket system, that’s the way the game plays, so get over it?

[analog apex]

and that's why there is a ticket system prototype in the making, right ? 😄

[vale garnet]

You want a different game, that’s literally all you ask for is a totally different game

[analog apex]

HLL ticket system prototype is already in the making man

I believe in any case though, they will make it a toggleable setting in the server options so both sides will win. Or it stays in the new separate gamemode.

[vale garnet]

And nobody will have it on because it sucks

Just like nobody will play the new mode, same as skirmish

[analog apex]

stop making baseless predictions based just on YOUR personal opinions about the matter

[vale garnet]

Show me a single active skirmish server

[analog apex]

who says anythign about SKIRMISH?

who said the new gamemode will be of small scale like SKIRMISH is?

wasn't me for sure, nor the devs yet

[vale garnet]

They literally said they’re testing it as 25v25

In the PTE notes

[silk igloo]

that's the objective mode, in the Q&A they mentioned a new conquest mode

[analog apex]

that is OBJECTIVE, not CONQUEST

either you are far behind with the news or I am

[vale garnet]

Why are you using CAPITALS every other WORD

[analog apex]

CONQUEST was not in the PTE or any notes yet

[analog apex]

names of the gamemodes

I like to use capitals on them

[arctic rampart]

• Actually
• Sam often
• Speaks solely
• In bulletpoints
• Because
• It helps to get the
• Point across

And I don't mind it.

It looks really nice

Same as headers

[vale garnet]

I can tell you exactly how it will go, they bring out new mode, nobody touches it in PTE because uptake on them always sucks, then the devs release it, a couple servers run it for a day, then we all go back to warfare because that’s the mode for big boys

[analog apex]

anything to the table or just talking about me?

[silk igloo]

he just likes you

[arctic rampart]

Just about you. I do really like you

[analog apex]

"nobody" touches the PTE to begin with, it's been hard to fill the matches in the last PTEs. If it will be empty, not because of the tickets topic.

[vale garnet]

You’re gonna hate when they remove the filter block though

[analog apex]

what filter block

[arctic rampart]

Ye ofc. Like I ain't downloading a whole other HLL only to test out like 3 things I'll barely touch.
And from the past PTE's we've had, the result is always the same that most of the stuff reported doesn't get fixed anyway.
Rolls out with the bugs and worries we've had, gets reported thousand times and then 3 years later maybe gets changed around.
So why bother lol

[vale garnet]

What they need to do is bring back the old vaulting system, fix the balance issues in the game better and then do QoL for 6 months, and maybe then we can worry about features

[analog apex]

sounds right 😄
but if there's something done even if complained about, the players use to it anyway. The same it will be with the possibility of having tickets. Just in case of tickets, it will solve several problems.

[vale garnet]

Would also be nice to have the old garand reload back and also an inbuilt sharpen slider would be lovely

[analog apex]

about the tickets - if it will be in a new separate gamemode or as a server setting, why are you afraid of it being implemented? If there are so many people enjoying the ticketless system, surely they will have no problem of filling the servers...

so why to fight it? I don't get it.

only in case you really would be afraid it would take over eventually

and if it would take over successfully over the ticketLess system, then it would be just for the better

[arctic rampart]

Also wouldn't tickets be piss easy to make atm? Just a few functions here and there

[vale garnet]

Because it’s a pointless request just for the sake of making a pointless request

[analog apex]

not sure how you mean it but yeah coudl be easy to set the values for in the server settings I am sure

[analog apex]

which is only your personal opinion, not a fact. I could say the same that your opinion is pointless.

[arctic rampart]

I mean in the sense that the base of the code is already there.

You can simply add the ticket reduction in places like the function that deals with the death of a entity and boom, it's done.

[analog apex]

that's true yeah

[arctic rampart]

As in, coding the whole ruleset for a gamemode like the destruction one we had been shared with lately, is significantly harder then taking something we already have and trying out tickets on it

[analog apex]

global tickets would be super easy to implement (aka loss on manpower 0), local tickets / local ammo would require a bit more work but would make it more interesting than the binary nature of the global ticketsPlay

[analog apex]

played 1st round today... didn't finish it
another "Fatal error!" crash

like wtf....

for the past several days I am barely uanble to finish full rounds

[cosmic pilot]

Update your GPU driver

[analog apex]

already did that

[cosmic pilot]

Rip, it helped me

[analog apex]

#1389260170898571435

[arctic rampart]

Follow the duct-tape guide in the tech channel

Goes something along the lines of:
"...suck your left toes then spin around 3 times in your chair."

I bet it'll work

[finite berry]

It's not. It's objective. Lots of people might enjoy this because they don't know it any different and are scared of a major change. But the game would be objectively better with a ticket system, local or global.

It's interesting how you bring up "it's just something you want" towards Sam when your entire argument is built upon "it's good that we don't have it and it would suck if we had it and no one would play it because I DON'T LIKE IT".

[cosmic pilot]

Bold of you to say that without having played the game

[finite berry]

I'm coming from a game that has tickets and works perfectly fine with them and my "external POV" also allows for some unbiased takes.

Because I have "nothing to lose", so to say.

[cosmic pilot]

Uniformed takes more like

[finite berry]

Educate me about the things that I seemingly got wrong

Otherwise, shut ❤️

[cosmic pilot]

You're wrong that tickets would make the game better.

[cyan saddle]

Valorant doesn't have tickets

So clearly...

[analog apex]

You're wrong that tickets would not make the game better.

[real parrot]

Hell let loose is built around terrain, the main purpose is to take objectives, therefore I see It as a fundamentaly different game from those that has tickets and that is a good thing.
I don't want HLL to be more like other games, I want It to be good.

[cosmic pilot]

Tickets in the context of creating a tug of war mechanic to reward localized attrition would, but that's not what he means.

[finite berry]

Literally local tickets lol

[analog apex]

Then you may forget his aim and take it from me instead, as from somebody who has played HLL a lot.

If his argument's goals/bases are not enough for you 🙂 .

[finite berry]

Every game from Battlefield to Enlisted over HLL to Squad 44 is about taking objectives, duh. Tickets just adds an additional layer, more depth to the combat, makes it more realistic and reduces meatgrind assaults on both sides.

[wind shore]

maybe a separate mode with tickets would be fine

[analog apex]

the HLL devs are working on that - they called it CONQUEST so far

[wind shore]

nice, id like to see more soviet maps tho

[analog apex]

yep, the game needs them

[finite berry]

It's funny how they always "nooo not tickets reee" without ever actually explaining in a convincing way why they would be a bad thing

(spoiler: they wouldn't)

[real parrot]

The game has objectives, but they are many times secondary or rarely important. In HLL they are all that matters, and I like that point, implementing tickets while keeping the games spirit would need to respect this

[wind shore]

rs2 style campaign mode would be crazy

[analog apex]

"because... because... it would not be fun" xD

[wind shore]

i just cant stomach brit maps

[real parrot]

Churchill tank so good, fat British box

[cosmic pilot]

Simply put, global tickets don't matter until you come within the marginal percent threshold of losing.
It doesn't add context to the battle until the end when you're about to run out.

In which case, the only way global tickets would be accepted by the playerbase in warfare is to borrow the overtime mechanic from offensive

[molten sail]

I welcome tickets, you can just camp in some bush and have even more impact than you have now

[cosmic pilot]

That's the other main point

HLL combat is driven by needing to occupy ground to destroy spawn points

If camping becomes a viable option there would be no movement around the map

[real parrot]

Anyways, the important stuff, when Stug 3

[analog apex]

and that's also why not global, but local tickets... so one wouldn't be able to win the match by (spawn)camping

depletion of tickets wouldn't mean winning the match, just temporarily disabling the garrison or self-destruct +cooldown initiation of an OP

you guys obviously don't seem to be getting the reason behind the tickets idea and the fact that I always advocated for the local ones only

[nova pivot]

Hetzer is better

[real parrot]

That would end in low end games breaking the fastest lose record since they only has 1 garryson and no ops, and high end ones doesnt get affected at all because there 21 Squads with their own OP

[real parrot]

Yes, but they are not ready for that

[nova pivot]

Fair enough

[analog apex]

and where is the problem... if the garries are spawncamped already, which they are and especially if the team has only one and under control of the enemy team... why make the game not to end and keep spawncamping?

[real parrot]

I still believe in Hetzer supremacy

[real parrot]

It would be the same result, but with less impact for the newbies since they don't get to die and experience the hll

[molten sail]

because its not really an issue, a bigger issue would be how the nodes/resources work. When was the last time you saw someone use a transport truck or jeep during a match or used a half track for you know the armoured capabilities to transport troops? but the goal of the half track an armoured troop transport with a machine gun is for it to be hidden. Many more examples but you get what I mean.

[analog apex]

the result that would however not include the possibility of playing 1:4 for over an hour while the defenders are holding just because they keep respawning endlessly

[real parrot]

1:5 is not a valid result

[analog apex]

I get waht you mean but I don't see how this post is connected to the ticket system in any way.

[analog apex]

I meant 1:4 😄 , fixed

[molten sail]

It's connected by the fact that the developers don't have unlimited time and its much better to work on bigger issues rather than implementing something like tickets

[analog apex]

what can be a bigger issue other than making the dying, ammo, medics and nodes matter all in one go?

[finite berry]

Then I simply disagree. A game that focusses solely on objectives and ignores everything else would not appeal to me at all.

[analog apex]

feature wise

[real parrot]

Basically I'd rather have them fixing LOD and invis hitbox issues that are important gameplay mechanics that adding a whole new system that may or may not ending up taking the game down for good.

[wind shore]

[real parrot]

Then why are you here bruh

[finite berry]

Hence why @analog apex proposed local tickets.

[analog apex]

they are working on that aren't they? the same as they are working on the tickets

Chum is here, this is going to be even more juicy 😄

[real parrot]

They've been working on It since game release

[thin lotus]

You’re a fool if you think the general hll playerbase can grasp anything more in-depth than what’s present even now lmao

[finite berry]

Spoiler: that would not happen.
Source: Squad and literally every game that uses tickets; even f u cking Battlefield is the same in that regard.

[analog apex]

they don't need to grasp anything if it would be good-enough displayed on the map or general UI - it's all about HOW it will be implemented

[finite berry]

I don't think they can, but I want it anyway

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[thin lotus]

You dont even own HLL.

[finite berry]

Amen

[analog apex]

cmon man, you are better than using such cheap arguments

I am here too, the same as others that are in favour of the idea

[finite berry]

See, I don't even have HLL and care about it so much that I want to improve it by adding tickets :)

[real parrot]

Current Battlefield is not a great example of a good game tbh, and also Squad is a different game with different aproaches, and I don't need to point how is the equivalent (Squad 44) doing rn

[finite berry]

The argument was that implementing tickets in a game that is about capturing objectives is obviously wrong, that's all what I've said there. Plus, Squad 44's state is in NO way related to tickets. Not in the slightest. So pointless argument right there on your part.

[thin lotus]

I don’t extensively discuss games I dont own in their respective discords.
Begs the question why, at this point he doesn’t own it. It’s very strange behavior

[analog apex]

I will put it like this - I don't care how the devs would fix dying to matter, ammo, medics and nodes. If there is another way, I would explore it too. But it always comes down to the fact that the players are able to respawn endlessly and without any direct repercussions in HLL. Which is the main problem of it all.

[real parrot]

Nope, my point is that HLL should not strive to be similar to other games, specially those that are not doing great.

[finite berry]

Because I am an open-minded person and able to develop an interest in things that I am not directly involved in. The fact that you don't seem to be able to do that speaks more for me than for you.

[analog apex]

If there is a ticket-less way of how to fix all the stuffs I mentioned, I wouldn't mind. But I haven't heard nor saw any other way of doing it.

[finite berry]

Exactly. HLL suffers from many problems, and tickets would adress a lot of those. They wouldn't outright solve them, but their impact would have more positives and negatives imo.

[thin lotus]

What is it, like $30? What is keeping you from buying it. You might even come around on some of your takes if you’d actually play it instead of just chatting about it

[real parrot]

How would you know those problems without playing the game In the first place, and how would tickets fix them?

[analog apex]

Cmon guys, I am here. I play the game, I know the problems. So we are chatting about them.

Why are you redirecting against the man?

[finite berry]

Again a pointless argument because, again, tickets are not related to Squad 44's poor state. Just like tickets are not directly related to Squad being such a successful and popular game. Don't get me wrong, I get the point that you want to keep HLL unique, but tickets would have an overall positive impact on the game. And like Sam said, how do you want to fix medics being essentially pointless because there is absolutely no incentive to wait for a revive?

[finite berry]

Because it saves them the effort of actually argueing against the arguments I bring up when they can just go "haha u dont even plae gaim"

[analog apex]

sounds about right

[real parrot]

My problems are that a 4 kg box one hits my 45 ton tank, how would tickets fix that?

[analog apex]

that is a levelDesigner's field of work, not the programmer's of the ticket logic

[thin lotus]

Support for a ticket system on HlL is so scarce that you’d accept the idea’s support from someone that doesn’t even own the game lol

[real parrot]

I don't see medics being useless a problem in the first place

[finite berry]

Because after playing so much Squad 44, I probably wouldn't be able to enjoy HLL. By no means saying that HLL is a bad game, I'd just rather invest my time into games that I actually have fun playing.

[analog apex]

It's a discussion... I accept anyone's support or POV.

You are not the judge here. You are not deciding who can or can't say something about some stuff.

[cosmic pilot]

In an idle world, tickets are replenished by actions directly taken by players, but the only thing that comes to mind as practical is something like a manpower box.

[finite berry]

Participating in conversations here; it's not like discussions about HLL's (supposed) flaws are rare here :D Tickets would result in lives actually meaning something because a soldier's life would be a scarce resource all of a sudden, something you can't just waste at your leisure anymore.

[real parrot]

I also have the problem that the same 45 ton vehicle gets stuck with a small wooden cart and can't turn its turret at more than 5 degrees per second even with an auxiliary engine dedicated.

[analog apex]

yep, which is the main point

[finite berry]

Why would you wait for a revive by a medic when you can just give up and respawn (with full ammo)?

[thin lotus]

Anyone can say what they want here. Their credibility is what sets the value of what they say

[real parrot]

So where is the problem

[analog apex]

I don't need anybody to be credible, I hope that much is clear.

But I accept and hear their opinion whoever it is. You on the other hand, don't seem to be.

[finite berry]

Oooor he accepts my "support" because I make some very good points, huh? Seriously, if your one and only argument countering all points that I've brought up is "muh u dont plae da gaem", that's just involuntarily admitting that you are either too lazy or simply not capable of proving me wrong.

[finite berry]

That there is absolutely no incentive to wait for a revive -> medic is pointless because their main purpose, saving lives, is practically non-existent

[thin lotus]

You don’t own the game lol

[analog apex]

and here we go again 😄

[finite berry]

Correct. Now, how about you'd act accordingly to your own saying and actually prove me wrong instead of going "u dont own da gaem"

[polar kettle]

I keep getting connection lost.
Is this common HLL problem or is it me?

[thin lotus]

That’s cool, but you don’t even own the game

[finite berry]

He's either trolling or just a fool. Or both.

[finite berry]

quod erat demonstrandum

[real parrot]

Then just don't play medic and expect to make a significant impact. Medic is just there for new players to roleplay while yelling "NOOOOO JHONY WHYYYYYY" In prox chat

[analog apex]

trolling would be the case imo right now

[thin lotus]

You dontum ownum the gamum

[finite berry]

Thanks for proving me right. There is no point in playing medic because it is pointless.

And do you know how to fix that?

By adding an incentive to wait for revive.

[real parrot]

Yes, and that is no problem at all

[finite berry]

By making respawns a scarce resource -> tickets

[finite berry]

You're delusional or trolling

[real parrot]

I just don't see any problem, just don't use it

[finite berry]

Or at least be consequent about it and remove medics altogether since they're a pointless and that seemingly being no problem

[real parrot]

Like the first class of the crew, its just plain worse, just don't use it

[analog apex]

no problem he says... endless redeployment, no repercussions - subjectively may not be a problem to you, but objectively that's a bad system

[harsh tinsel]

How do you rangefind for anti tank launchers?

[analog apex]

you can't

[past vortex]

ping

[polar kettle]

He meant with AT gun @analog apex

[real parrot]

Nobody can know what objectively is, since truth is not achievable by the human reason

[finite berry]

That's the thing, exactly. While it might not be a problem subjectively to people, it is a problem objectively.

[harsh tinsel]

I know its marked for 100,70 on the PIAT but don't know how to aim for that

Aimed for 100 meters and it dropped like a rock

[analog apex]

W S A D - to move the gun's barrel up, down, left and right

[past vortex]

ping to get range
then watch video to see how far up
or practice yourself

[harsh tinsel]

yeah, I'm just feeling it out

I wish you could get more than 2 shots of per life but nobody ever does ammo boxes lol

[past vortex]

you have to "remember" the spot on the launcher for various ranges

[analog apex]

anyway, this was once more exhausting discussion that doesn't have any agreement... let's agree to disagree and be about our businesses

[past vortex]

play better servers then

[real parrot]

Pacific when

[past vortex]

mortar boats - cant wait

[analog apex]

ammo boxes don't matter either the same as lives don't - since the redeployment is the best (and usually fastest) answer to any rearming attempt

[analog apex]

did they say something about such stuff? 😮

[real parrot]

That is because every soldier carries like 45 kg in ammo mags

[past vortex]

on good servers there is often plewnty of ammo around

[finite berry]

Another good point why tickets would improve the game's overall situation, yes.

[analog apex]

yep, gotta go now guys so see ya a bit later

[past vortex]

how many tickets would a sunk mortar boat be?

[real parrot]

350 fuel

Take It or leave It

[past vortex]

was letzte preis

[real parrot]

Sorrt I don't speal Blitz krieg

[finite berry]

Time to change that

https://tenor.com/view/we're-doing-a-sequel-muppets-most-wanted-kermit-kermit-the-frog-gif-9837048782945000305

[solemn spear]

Reviving SL should reset the o.p timer for SL so he can drop another outpost. There's incentive to play medic but it's easily outweighed by situational tactics.
Don't let them get away with this being the only medic update boys

[real parrot]

I like the meatgrind meta, is so humbling, and also historically accurate

[finite berry]

The biggest issue about the medic is that they mostly tweaked about the medic side. But the problem does not lie there, it lies in every NON-medic player. Because, again, there is basically no incentive to wait for a revive.

[finite berry]

It really isn't.

[real parrot]

How would you know

[finite berry]

I know history

And have common sense

[real parrot]

Then, compare modern Warfare to, for example, the Battle of Kursk

[solemn spear]

Also : can server owners edit the number of ammo fuel and manpower for games? Be cool to see games start with less fuel and what not
We couldn't respawn irl boys at least I'm not sure we can

[cosmic pilot]

Tickets are just a timer that counts down at a variable rate.
World in conflict figured this out back in 2006

[thin lotus]

Why would the fact that the SL got shot potentially give way to reward him with a reset OP timer? Thats backwards game design.

[cosmic pilot]

It took until 2025 for someone to follow that example

[real parrot]

That would be great for tank only games

[finite berry]

Just because a very specific battle compared to modern warfare in general can be called a battle of attrition does NOT mean that warfare back then was always about attrition and meatgrind attacks

[solemn spear]

You're absolutely right

[finite berry]

Even in WWI, which obviously was a war of attrition, attacks at some point got called off because losses simply were too f u cking high

[real parrot]

What about the second Battle of El Alamein?

[finite berry]

Just because two very specific battles compared to modern warfare in general can be called battles of attrition does NOT mean that warfare back then was always about attrition and meatgrind attacks

[real parrot]

So Stalingrad?

[finite berry]

Those battles weren't even about meatgrind attacks

Battles being extremely costly does not equal them being "meatgrind attacks"

That's straight up bs

[real parrot]

They were large scale battles, that saw many waves of soldiers dying, and a good way to simulate that feeling is with respawns

[finite berry]

does not equal meatgrinds

A meatgrind is a battle where you try to literally grind down the enemy by overrunning him with manpower and equipment, disregarding the losses. This does certainly not apply to WW2 warfare in general.

[real parrot]

But there were meatgrinds in specific poitns

[finite berry]

Quite the opposite, actually. Our Blitzkrieg tactics were the successful, explicit attempt of moving AWAY from meatgrinder attacks that originated from WWI

[finite berry]

Yes, very few exceptions that proved the rule.

[real parrot]

That ended in 1941

[nova pivot]

Selow highs?

[thin lotus]

Teleports past your meat grind. Teleports entire team and caps your objective.
Nothin personnel, kid

[real parrot]

Meatgrinds in specific points in many battles

For example that polish post station

[finite berry]

I'd like to remind you that your initial statement was that WWII in general was about meatgrind warfare

Which is bs

Case closed

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-welcome-youre-welcome-gif-12552558

[nova pivot]

🥺

I arrived late

[real parrot]

I never said that? Hll is based mainly in 1944

[molten sail]

most players swear by this

[thin lotus]

It is the DUMBEST aspect of this game

And it sucks how prevalent and necessary it is given how crappy the rest of elements are

Being able to operate a team-wide spawn within territory that doesn’t belong to you will forever be the DUMBEST thing HLL has in it

[lime sorrel]

only thing the medic needs is some better guns an more ammo to make it usefull

[finite berry]

no

A medic is a medic, not a glorified rifleman

[past vortex]

in fact a medic is a glorified smoke generator

[finite berry]

haha

[past vortex]

hear me out... what if they gave medics a wrench and let them build mortar boats

[finite berry]

That would actually make me buy the game

[analog apex]

if so, then the tickets for (re)deployment would make it for a price and danger of losing the blue objective at the very least

and honestly, I would remove the airhead altogether

[past vortex]

along with Uta Bietsch

[analog apex]

And I would change redeployment too - to have a cooldown.

redeployment usually in games is being used when one gets stuck because the game's imperfection, should not be used as a tool to teleport at will

[real parrot]

I know a way to delete hell let loose, all problems solved

[analog apex]

right

getting rid of a disease by killing the patient 🥶

[past vortex]

i still have fun with the game

just leave when the server is bad

[river jackal]

That's why i prefer tanking, cause infantry is pain quite often

[real parrot]

That would be destroying your PC, also a valid option

[paper pulsar]

why has hell let loose suddenly decided to turn my headphones off whenever i play it

[analog apex]

yep... another way of "fixing" 😄 the Fatal error! problem too

[red bane]

what happened to the previous hll main backround picture? last one was way cooler. Now its just one weird guy looking at me like i killed his entire bloodline

[silk igloo]

It's prevalent but not necessary. Often it even hurts your team if the enemy knows what they're doing, or your team doesnt. It's pretty simple to counter too. Still stupid though - a simple and good tweak would be to limit teamspawns into the first red grid instead of both.

[delicate mortar]

real

the game overall has been unstable recently

[wind shore]

Hello, I’m new !

Any tips for gameplay?

[arctic rampart]

🌊 🏝️

[wind shore]

Okay

[worthy charm]

pacific confirmed?

[nova pivot]

Pacific mentioned

[wind shore]

https://youtu.be/rUNjt_Ed3-Y?si=rUGgyxgo515MX_nl

Un grrr

[arctic rampart]

I know only one word that ends with grrr in the sound of it

[wind shore]

Un que

Un grr

[past vortex]

the mechanic where a medic can confirm or deny a request is too complex for the average medic :}

[wintry thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[past vortex]

well they dont react :}

in the few instances where i actually ask to be revived

[gentle lintel]

:}

[real parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1368379799378202674/1377759282572951632/attachment.gif

[arctic rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_joqUgQkE

[cosmic pilot]

lmfao

[real parrot]

Its me when I play

[cosmic pilot]

i stole it

where did you get it from

i need more

[real parrot]

A friend of mine made It

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

Like this one

[wind shore]

Tank flying

What’s this

How is that possible

[wind shore]

Is it real?

[worthy charm]

He is build diffrent

[real parrot]

It is, caught on camera

Sadly, I'm actually the panther dying on the image

[wind shore]

Can we get planes

Or parachuting

[real parrot]

We already got planes at home

[wind shore]

Parachute mechanics it’s one of the main of WW2

Imagine you jumping out in the night sky

[pine ember]

They played an important but not a decisive role

[cloud otter]

Anyone having the issue of their game stats resetting all their rank to 1?

[slate canopy]

It's just a disconnect with Steam. You can Delete your Steam Download Cache, then once back into Steam do a Check for Steam Client Updates, you may or may not have any. Then test your game.

[cloud otter]

okay, will give this a shot

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[slate canopy]

This may also contribute 🤫 ^ @cloud otter

[gentle lintel]

Steam maintenance on Canada Day, c’mon Team17

[nova pivot]

It's their way of celebrating Canada Day 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

[gentle lintel]

🎉

[slate canopy]

Ohhhh Canadaaaa~ 🫎

[prisma bronze]

Hello

[slate canopy]

Speaking of Canada, I saw the cutest video of a little baby loon on momma's back and wiggling it's wittle wings before settling for a nap 🥺

[river rover]

ℹ️ Nvidia Game Ready Driver 576.88 WHQL Releasedℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

[wind shore]

I love Canada

You have lake

Can I swim

Like Tommy vercetti

[tiny anvil]

Enough with the wait... put the panzerfaust in the game

Would love to see it

[merry veldt]

Hi everyone, just bought the game :). playing from Australia

[slate canopy]

Welcome

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[broken shoal]

where si the hotfix. game is unplayable

[slate canopy]

Hotfix for what?

[short axle]

0 context or anything...

[outer gorge]

What MOS do you guys main like gunner or which do you prefer and why

[outer gorge]

Fax I’m confused aswell

[short axle]

Lol

[spring surge]

Sup yall

[past vortex]

the double chinstrap on that US helmet i think

[novel night]

What gives someone the vip designation when joining new game with dawg

[analog apex]

No idea what you mean by the part "when joining new game with dawg",... but about VIPs in general - it's different with every community that hosts/owns a server:

• some communities give VIP manually, only to their clan members and players that financially support their server
• in addition to the bulletpoint above, some others give some VIP day(s) also automatically as a reward for every x minutes of seeding (helping to fill up) their server
• in addition to the above, some give VIP day(s) even for good combat/other performance during the match, done automatically again
• some other rules - random, for example in The Circle servers, you get 1 day of VIP for each 1st-time-in-the-match-meleed enemy, 3 VIP days if it is a The Circle's clan member that was meleed

And ofc., if you would happen to be playing on the OFFICIAL (__non__CommunityHosted) servers, don't expect any VIP there - there is no VIP as there aren't any server mods/admins at all, who are the only ones who could give one.

[tired tide]

Some explain this to me cus I really wanna double deck somebody over it. I'm on a server just doing my thing and my squads officer leaves.

Suddenly I get a admin message saying that my squad has no officer (no sh*t sherlock) and I'll be punished for it after 2 warnings and then kicked.

How in tf is my squad leader leaving my freaking problem? I'm just the anti tank guy

[analog apex]

I agree it may be harsh and even annoying at times if you happen to have a good position while the SL leaves, but the idea behind is that although it's not your personal problem, a squad without an SL becomes the team's problem and potentially a burden as it can't have new OPs to be at the required position fast after getting killed. Nor can talk to the command i nVOIP.

[tired tide]

But this message appeared not even 30 seconds after he left. I refuse to be punished for other players leaving. I was also the only AT who actually hit something. The others missed all their shots and I had to take 3 Sherman's alone.

I think that's total bs to punish players for something they have no control over

[analog apex]

Individual players have no control, but the squad does have it - by anybody in it taking the SL role.

[tired tide]

The guy who left was the only one with a mic

[analog apex]

Well, then someone needs to step up sooner or later and take the Officer class. SL-less squads are a plague that drags the team down a great deal.

[tired tide]

That isn't always the case. I've been on plenty of squads without officers that functioned just fine

[analog apex]

If a team has multiple squads without an Officer, such a team is usually destined to lose... unless the enemy team is even worse.

[tired tide]

Hardly. Squads with officers who don't do thier job is what costs teams a win. Sometimes having no officer is better then having one who does nothing for the squad

[analog apex]

But with having one you always have a chance that at least some/most of them will be building OPs. While with SL-less squads, you have a guarantee they won't get any OP and are forced to use just the garrisons (if any).

[tired tide]

Which if Garry's are placed often easily makes the diffrence up. Alot of squads can function without the leader if the team is relatively solid

[analog apex]

and who's going to build your garrison if you won't have a squad leader? Right... another squad who does have him.

or CMD

Also, some clans are enforcing the rule of players needing a mic if in a leadership position. An SL with mic usually does what he's supposed to, regarding the OP-building. As much as such a rule can be annoying, it is just to the people that are not using the mic (who most often also tend not to listen either).

So such a rule no matter as inconvenient to some as it may be, ensures that a higher quality play in the server is being maintained.

And at the end of the day - the server owners/admins can set the rules whatever they want. If someone doesn't like them, the doors out of such a server are always open and other servers available. By intentional staying in such a server we are expected to accept & follow the rules whatever they may be - nobody's forcing us to stay.

[real parrot]

No Squad can fuction whitout an SL wth

[tired tide]

Then your not very good at hll if you can't manage without one lol

[real parrot]

Nah this is cap

🧢

[finite berry]

The point of squads in this is game is that they're actually being led by people who are using a microphone (with the rest of the squad also talking)

The sad reality doesn't change anything about how this type of game is meant to be played

[nova pivot]

He doesn't know what an OP is.

🤣🤣🤣

[tired tide]

I'd say yall are dumb as rocks. But the rocks would be offended to be associated with the like of you.

[split hamlet]

Hell let loose is about order of command, officers, commander and COMMUNICATION. Using mics is not an option, it is mandatory to play the actual game.
If you take all of that out and playing your anti-tank session thinking you are playing the game. Then you are not. Thats not what hell let loose is all about.
Every role is important but this is not a SOLO GAMEPLAY its a team game. If you are not engaging with the team then you are not part of the team.

Go on official servers for a little pew pew you are welcome to do. But joining community servers with no mic, thinking officers are not that important, then you are not in the same mindset as the others trying to get a good and fun hell let loose play session in community servers.

[analog apex]

insulting will definitely give your words more weight 😄

[tired tide]

Fool of the day went keyboard warrior. Mics are not mandatory lmao. I can be mute and still be effective with the team. Pininging enemy movement and vehicles and engaging them when they point them out to me. I follow thier lead and if they ask me to go here or there I do so especially to get advantage on advancing advancing armor.

[split hamlet]

You have been typing for awhile Im sure you do understand you will get responses?

[analog apex]

True, mic is not mandatory. But I wonder how you report the enemy positions and what you are pinging if you are in combat. I bet you stop and start typing xD

Mic will always prevail over the text and pings alone.

[split hamlet]

If you do not have an officer then you do not have any marks to follow and you will be missing out on a lot of information with no communication thats all, thats one part of why community servers want an officer in every unit

[analog apex]

and this ☝️

[nova pivot]

And you need to place OP, depending of garrys to spanw is stupid

[analog apex]

and much slower

[tired tide]

It's not hard to follow groups of randoms it's obvious they're moving to an objective and if I see the chance to flank even if I'm alone I take it and often get thier attention long enough the team steam rolls em while they were distracted fighting me.

Sparta shut up lol

[nova pivot]

Of course they move towards an objective, that's all the bluberries do, follow the mass of people as if they were sheep.

[tired tide]

Im sorry you losers get butthurt over mics. Not all of us have access to them or can use them 24/7 like most times when I'm on it's midnight and I got my elderly grandpa here. I can't use mine during the night or I risk wasking him.

[analog apex]

if you flank alone one thing's for sure... the enemies wouldn't take any long fighting you, they would be done with you fast

if they are not fullSheep kind of players ofc.

[split hamlet]

Each to their own liking, but its a massive difference of a team that communicates and follow orders than a herd of zombies just spawning and moving its way forward.
Its so much fun when the commander have a plan and the team follows and the plan is working because everyone was on it.
Thats impossible with no mics and no officer thats all... the game can be so much more than spawn repeat spawn repeat...

[nova pivot]

You can play without a microphone if you are not an officer, tanker or commander. What don't make sense is Playing without a Squad leader

[analog apex]

there doesn't even have to be a CMD plan - for as long as all officers talk and cooperate and respond to each other, such a team will ultimately triumph over a mic-less one

[tired tide]

Sam I sat in a foxhole on foy and picked off a fifth of their team as they advanced to our objective. They lost 21 guys before realizing where I was and got hit with 2 mgs a tank and a whole Lotta rifle fire. Most of them had stormtrooper aim

[analog apex]

you can say whatever, I don't know you. I could say I killed 200 enemies yesterday. I am sure you would "believe" me too.

[tired tide]

This was last night right before my squad kicked me minutes before the match ended for not communicating at the AT guy. I lost alot of bonuses became of the pc jerks

[analog apex]

But you are an Xbox player so stormtrooper aim is something I would expect from almost all the console HLL players.

[nova pivot]

Ey 😠

[analog apex]

...comparing to mouse and keyboard ofc.

[nova pivot]

You fixed it

😀

[tired tide]

And the face you pc warriors have built in advantages of better graphics and 120fps 😑

[analog apex]

120fps... I wish 😄

[tired tide]

Anytime I fight a pc player they go terminator mode and I don't stand a chance even when I fired first. But if I fight other console guys it's a even fight.

[analog apex]

what do you mean? There is no console <> PC crossplay.

[tired tide]

Yes there is

[analog apex]

no there isn't

[tired tide]

Your a moron if you believe that lmao. I see pc players daily

[nova pivot]

Are you trolling?

[analog apex]

The crossplay option in the game menu is just for crossplay between console types (XBox, PS5...) and in case of PC, between different game clients (Steam, PC gamepass, EPIC). There is NO console <> PC crossplay and even devs have stated it numerous times there won't be any, nothing planned yet.

[nova pivot]

There are people who have devices to connect a keyboard to the console, but there is no Cross play

[analog apex]

He just showed us his lacking of base knowledge about the game, I believe that's all we needed to see to make a judgement.

[tired tide]

Sam. Shut up basement dweeler

[analog apex]

more insulting... great
you are a true piece of work

[finite berry]

Okay, but you're still wrong.

[nova pivot]

It's not worth it Sam, we can't do anything to help him.

[analog apex]

Sadly.

[finite berry]

Based kick, ngl

[analog apex]

Squad can't even kick you from the server, only from the squad so as for the bonuses, you got them, just not from your original squad (assuming you stayed till end of the round). And if you happen to mean you were kicked out of server and your squad just initiated the kick, you must have done some more of bad stuff if so many peeps voted against you.

[arctic rampart]

Bro who is this kid and why's he rage baiting so hard?
All I see is L take after L take

[analog apex]

no idea, he's probably bored 😄

[arctic rampart]

1. Don't need SL's - L take
2. Mics aren't mandatory - L take
3. There's crossplay? - Most uninformed L take of the century

Like brudda, that's 3 strikes, you're out.

What's next? He's gonna say that a knocked out, but not dead player will still count towards the cap? (insert kekw emote here if we had it)

[analog apex]

you forgot 0. "don't need mics"

[arctic rampart]

This ain't an array, we don't count from 0

Let's just write it off as a console player being a console player

[nova pivot]

Ey 😡

[arctic rampart]

Okay, I'll be fair. It's not all bad, but the chances are substantially higher

[tired tide]

Elise you idiot. I'm not gonna use my mic in the middle of the night and risk waking my family up. The game ain't worth pissing off a 91 year old grandfather. And I'm 31 solid you dolt banger

[analog apex]

that is your personal problem though, not of the game's or match's

I could say the same.

[arctic rampart]

ikr. Brotha just sabotaging everyone else cause of his unique circumstances.

Seems legit.

[analog apex]

right

[arctic rampart]

Pro tip: don't play in the middle of the night

[analog apex]

also, one doesn't need to yell for the friendlies to hear him

it's possible to adjust the mic's volume so even the whisper would be loud enough

[arctic rampart]

Cause I've legit been there and done that.
Because I still don't live fully alone and peeps do be sleeping, I just play between the crazy times of 16:00 and 22:00.
Aka the universal gaming peak hours

[nova pivot]

Nah, when you start playing well is after 2:00

[finite berry]

tfw I know more about him without even playing the game 🥲

[finite berry]

Sounds like a skill issue, ngl

Plus, you know very well that your argument ceases existing as soon as you play during the day

You don't WANT to use your mic

And instead of admitting that, you just go with "muh must be quiet at night"

[analog apex]

I used to play till late evenings/nights while I was still at the college and later when I had a night job so I got accustomed to being up during the night. But I never had a problem with not being ablle to talk - for that, my flatmates would need to be in the very same room as I was.

[wind shore]

Hello

[finite berry]

I'm still not sure whether he is a rage-baiting troll or just has lots of bad luck when thinking

[arctic rampart]

My statistical bet after years of playing online is that he's a ragebaiting NA console andy.
Sadly there's no way to know for sure, so I can't know if I was correct or not

[finite berry]

What a shame

Well, his ridiculous takes were still entertaining, tho

So I'm counting this as a win

[arctic rampart]

Only a tiny bit

I wish for a day when I get a genuine person with these takes into a voice chat

Just like I wish sometimes someone would try and break into my house and I can pull out my Walther PDP 4.5"

[analog apex]

Yep, his takes were so baseless I didn't even get mad, more like amused or exhausted... a mix.

[arctic rampart]

@nova pivot Why you reacting so hard my boy

[finite berry]

Where is he now, I missed all the fun :(

[arctic rampart]

Anyways...
I'm planning to eat lunch in a bit. Today we have a bit of Rasols, 1 fried chicken fillet and a tomato.

[analog apex]

Maybe he had enough too, who knows...

[nova pivot]

We were destroying him

[arctic rampart]

This is Rasols btw: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1389890208710791198/940x550.png?ex=686643a0&is=6864f220&hm=84650beecb76f698be4a35febe8890e1311cfa7a42dd652e17f34231cf5dc948&

[analog apex]

I ordered some chocolate/nutella pancakes. Can't wait.

never heard of rasols so far, looks like some kind of salaad

[arctic rampart]

My colleague was getting on my bum today, because one of the hospitals departaments kept calling her instead of me for IT related issues.
And I was like tf do you want me to do? XD Like tell them to stop calling you and that's it

[arctic rampart]

Kind of. Usually it's veggies like potatoes, peas, carrots, pickles etc. diced up and then add some kind of sauce like mayo mixed with sour cream.

Absolute banger, but if you eat it right out of the fridge your teeth will be cold as a mfer, so don't do that ever.

[analog apex]

sounds good, looks good... 😋

[arctic rampart]

Any pro tips on how to survive a short business trip that is still way longer than it needs to be? Cause I have exactly that tomorrow

[analog apex]

never had such one, so... I'll pass on this topic

[humble perch]

A classic of eastern european cuisine, just make sure that the mayonnaise is good.

[wind shore]

Take Ded Moros on new year

[cosmic pilot]

I am here

[arctic rampart]

You don't fit the bill by a longshot

[cosmic pilot]

🤢

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-wink-gotcha-thanks-heres-to-you-gif-21904983

xD

And Im even available all day long 😆

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/tigger-cant-sleep-sad-emotional-gif-12332801

[rough raptor]

[storm birch]

[zenith rover]

why cant i play the game anymore ? like i cant join a server to play

[fluid pawn]

That's very odd! I'd recommend contacting the support team who will be hopefully be able to assist you 🙂

https://support.team17.com/hell-let-loose/en/

[past vortex]

they will love such a detailed report :D

[worthy charm]

You get an error message or is the server browser empty?

[zenith rover]

Lost connection to host

Been like this for 2 weeks

[warm kindle]

Hello just bought the game yesterday I’ve originally had on on console but didn’t like it but I got it on pc but it has lag spikes every so often does anyone have good settings for low end pc?

I have a 4gb graphics card at 64 Gb of ram

[visual niche]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271341876569575505

[thin lotus]

4gb vram and 64gb ram
Good grief

[wind shore]

Hello

[worthy charm]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1300297593032671292

Try these fixes

[cosmic pilot]

What's your ratio

[warm kindle]

Thank you

[warm kindle]

Well I have a laptop and I can’t really upgrade the graphics card so the only option for better performance was the ram for me

[zenith rover]

im trying every single one from their website, done nothing by now

[fluid pawn]

Hotfix going out tomorrow for Patch 17.1. Including issues with community server crashes

[empty steppe]

YAAAAAY THEY FIXED THE LEWIS GUN

[oak current]

BEEEEEN?

[thin flare]

wasn't the Panther a medium tank, not a heavy?

[oak current]

whats being changed with admincam ui?

[carmine pilot]

We can fly around better now

[empty steppe]

Uh…. No

[cedar ore]

finally fixing the lewis gun sights yay

[oak current]

thats not an UI change.

[tulip bay]

Depends on the model

[oak current]

[cedar ore]

that off center ping was weird

[fluid pawn]

It says in the #telegrams Das

Hahaha

[real parrot]

It was lebeled as a medium tank by the germans

[fluid pawn]

🎥 Admin Camera "Toggle Auto Orbit" option missing from Admin Camera UI.

[oak current]

I didnt read the telegram

I did a #mess-hall

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-shame-ringing-bell-walk-of-shame-gif-13316112511080767236

[oak current]

oh noez

[wind shore]

removed the panther from nA because historical accurarcy

tf???

[gleaming pelican]

A fix for the crashes! But what about the LAG ?

[thin flare]

Ok, WIkipedia says Medium but Bovington says Heavy so I'd go with what they say, as they know tanks.

[real parrot]

Every model was a medium tank, they only had little differences in their specs, like stronger transmission, better optics, etc

[fluid pawn]

A birthday telegram from your favourite AI bot, and you don't even read it. Shame on you

[oak current]

and even if they called it a recon tank - its the panther, thats the important part

[oak current]

Happy Birthday again Ben

[real parrot]

For the game, is heavy, IRL, is a medium

[empty steppe]

It’s the dead models

I’m pretty sure

[winter rover]

keep panther in NA please

[full sky]

Lewis Gun just Ping fixed or is it a Aim fix to?

[wind shore]

why add it back

[tulip bay]

Ikk, it wasn't even used in Africa 😭

[wind shore]

so stupid

dev redoing everything for the last 8 months

[empty steppe]

It’s just the dead models tho… I’m assuming they replaced them with tigers

[short night]

So lately I haven't been able to play HLL because the ping is too high. This started happened about when the update came on, is this new fix gonna help it?

[wind shore]

panther was in nA back in the day

[winter rover]

keep panther in NA please 🙏

[wind shore]

to strong and not accurat thats why it got removed

[finite berry]

nah

[wind shore]

its not there rn

[empty steppe]

No it didn’t…

[finite berry]

Anachronistic weapons, AFUERA!

[winter rover]

Why not?

[bold berry]

How about fix the ramagan map

[real parrot]

I think he means in the game

[bold berry]

And add pacific theater

[cosmic pilot]

He'll let loose

[slate canopy]

I keep reading NA as North America not North Africa which confuses me for a hot second.

[real parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/yukari-akiyama-akiyama-yukari-yukari-girls-und-panzer-gup-gif-10732099197404957333

[empty steppe]

Ooooh… well… the tiger needs its glory in one front 🤣

Give it that haha

[worthy charm]

That was such a goofy anime...

[wind shore]

Happy Birthday!

🎂

[empty steppe]

Yep, panthers rolling into North America 😅😂

[wind shore]

🍰

[real parrot]

It was good

[winter rover]

@devs keep panther in north african maps please

Best tank

[wind shore]

I don’t know what to say

Panthers… looks unrealistic in Africa

And maybe unnecessary

[winter rover]

so what

[cyan saddle]

Happy birthday Ben 🥳

[winter rover]

Luchs and Tiger is unrealistic in Tobruk so who cares

[wind shore]

And that also

[winter rover]

Well if they wanna keep that

Keep the panther there too

Even the cromwell is there

[wind shore]

They might rework it

At all we have only Normandy vehicles

[winter rover]

oh ya? they really going to make a whole new light tank to replace the luchs? 😂

[empty steppe]

@fluid pawn hey Ben, when it says panther tanks on North Africa maps, does it mean remove the dead assets and replacing them?

[wind shore]

North Africa and Eastern front has tanks

It was added in the last update as tank @empty steppe

NA has wrong tanks

[winter rover]

their whole tank system needs to be reworked bc the current light, medium, heavy classes won't work at tobruk

[wind shore]

It might be added normal tanks

KV-1 replace Is-1 , and hide KV-1 until new maps will come for 1944

[quaint shadow]

Was the Panther tank ever used in Northern Africa??? Why does Germany even need the Panther there? It’s not historical at all

[winter rover]

Was the luchs ever used there?

[empty steppe]

Yeah well el al doesn’t have panthers I thought?

[wind shore]

It doesn’t seems like

Tobruk had no panthers

[quaint shadow]

Easy, add the Pz 2 or 3 to replace the Luchs

[winter rover]

Was the Cromwell ever used there?

[empty steppe]

Yeah exactly, but there’s dead assets of them on the map

[winter rover]

but luchs is a recon tank and panzer 2 was a light

[empty steppe]

They haven’t been playable on that front since the patch

[wind shore]

Yes it’s in Commander ability

It can take panthers on HQ

[winter rover]

would make more sense to replace the luchs with an armoured vehicle

[radiant knot]

Ooooh it’s saying they’re fixing that by removing that?

[quaint shadow]

I don’t play this game anymore but man adding Panthers to North African maps is weird

[radiant knot]

For some reason I thought they were adding it and I got pissed for a sec lol

[wind shore]

It might be new tanks reworked

[winter rover]

who cares

[wind shore]

IS-1 , STG-44 , Luchs and Panthers could be removed from Stalingrad and Africa

[quaint shadow]

If they’re removing panthers that are on the map, they could have worded that better

[finite berry]

remove them as well

[wind shore]

IS-1 replaced with KV-1

Replace Luchs with Sd. Kfz 222 for both fronts

[winter rover]

and replace them with what

[wind shore]

Replace Pz. 4 with short barrel Pz. 4

[winter rover]

Then people will complain you can kill the crew members from the outside lol

[finite berry]

Nothing or tanks that were actually there

[finite berry]

Sounds like a skill issue

[wind shore]

Yes it would be like that

[winter rover]

more like an average HLL issue

[wind shore]

It will be compensate that it has fast tower

And you can use your handgun

[real parrot]

KV-1 against Tiger would be wild

[winter rover]

problem with HLL is all light/medium/heavy tanks are the same

Do the same damage and take the same damage

[wind shore]

KV-2

[real parrot]

KV-2 would be even worse

[winter rover]

Just have different skins (e.g. tiger, churchill, etc)

[empty steppe]

I’m pretty confident the panthers not on el al or Tobruk in the form of a spawn, I feel like I’m being gaslit here 😅🤣

[winter rover]

while in Red orchestra and Squad 44, you can add all vehicles and just make them based off how they actually performed irl and their armor, etc

don't have that freedom in HLL

[finite berry]

KV-2 is a sh it tank

[empty steppe]

If it doesn’t have to drive anywhere it’s pretty good 🤣

[finite berry]

That's not a tank anymore, then, but a bunker

[wind shore]

152 MM is not bad

[wind shore]

KV-2 was a huge

[empty steppe]

Exactly 😂

[finite berry]

Yes, a huge pile of garbage

[wind shore]

You can use your 152 MM

and penetrate everything

[empty steppe]

Hey, but have you heard of the KV-2 Fury story 😂

[wind shore]

😂

[finite berry]

Still a garbage tank

[wind shore]

Needs KV-1

[empty steppe]

A lone kv-2, out of gas, stuck on a cross road, held back the entire 6th panzer division for a full day during the battle of Raseiniai

Absolute legend 😂

But again… didn’t have to drive anywhere

[queen isle]

This will include:
🖥️ Occasional server side crash on some community servers.
This is worded like the patch purposefully includes crashes and I love it

[wind shore]

Which games has KV-2

[winter rover]

war thunder

[wind shore]

Squad 44?

[finite berry]

Yes, in a mod

[winter rover]

ya

[finite berry]

Chapte Red mod has it

[wind shore]

So to balance make it

[worthy charm]

S44 mentioned, reset the counter

[wind shore]

KV-2 754 (r)

[finite berry]

No

[wind shore]

Captured one for Germans

[finite berry]

No

[winter rover]

Why?

[wind shore]

And 1 KV-2 for Soviets

[winter rover]

no one even uses the kv-2

[wind shore]

Would be KV-2 vs KV-2

[winter rover]

it sucks

[wind shore]

Just the difference it would be Cross and Star to identify which captured which is not

[finite berry]

No

[winter rover]

they already have the t-34 and kv-1, which are much much better

[wind shore]

152 vs 152

[winter rover]

why would people choose the kv-2 over them

[wind shore]

KV-1 don’t

It’s IS-1

[winter rover]

what?

[wind shore]

In game it’s not KV-1

[winter rover]

we're talking about S44?

[wind shore]

I don’t know

[winter rover]

...

you asked if it was in Squad 44

and we said yes, then you said they should add a german kv-2

u delirious or something

[wind shore]

I thought it wasn’t KV-2

Okay if it’s KV-1

[winter rover]

squad 44 has both the kv-1 and kv-2

[cosmic pilot]

Squad 44 mentioned, reset the counter

Day's without mentioning squad 44: 0

[wind shore]

What means reset the counter

Are you talking about counter strike ?

[cosmic pilot]

Ask Herr

[wind shore]

Ok

[winter rover]

bro

[finite berry]

Are you for f u cking real? xD

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/sotka-tankki-gif-24804434

[cosmic pilot]

I think each time s44 is mentioned it delays the Pacific by another 3 days

[wind shore]

Yes I think so

[cosmic pilot]

I would smash

[wind shore]

Yes

It might be new tanks

KV-1, KV-2

KV-2 just as captured

[pine ember]

Guys… I can’t confirm if the panther is in North Africa, but if, it’s a step back. We had the somewhat accurate subfaction everyone was happy with. Why do you reintroduce it when everyone demanded a removal which was then done???

[cosmic pilot]

@fluid pawn it's not fair to surprise everyone with a reading comprehension test

[fluid pawn]

I'm sorry folks. It's my birthday and obviously turning a year older has bugged my AI 🫠

Will get it retuned for tomorrow

[cosmic pilot]

It's okay, I'm here to interpret 🗣️

[past vortex]

so the panther will now be heavier in NA?

[spring surge]

Happy birthday Ben!

[fluid pawn]

Thank you!

[spring surge]

For sure

[pine ember]

Happy Birthday!

[harsh tinsel]

Is fire support machine gunner just worse automatic rifleman?

Or is it just that you can have both so they're good?

Also happy bday Ben!

[silk igloo]

it's a hotfix to panthers appearing in north africa. they're in now by mistake and will be sent back to central africa

[empty steppe]

That’s crazy 🤣

[empty steppe]

They both have there positives and negatives

I prefer automatic rifleman usually. I feel it’s a bit more versatile, but the mg’s are extremely fun in the right situations

[harsh tinsel]

I'm questioning it only because the fire support gets the same weapon but less equipment

It just looks like a downgrade if you have both slots open

[empty steppe]

Yeah, but the machine gunner gets more firepower, it’s a constant trade off

Mg-42 grenadier loadout when 😉😂

[harsh tinsel]

Sorry but how?

It's the same rifle at least in icon

[worthy charm]

We dream of the day they give the bar a bipod...🥲

xD

[cosmic pilot]

More ammo

MG bar basically won't run out

[empty steppe]

Fr

[harsh tinsel]

Ah fair

[cosmic pilot]

If they give the bar 200m ohk and a bipod I'd rock it over the 30 cal

[empty steppe]

It’s also a 30 cal too 😜

But I get what you mean 🤣

Fast firing rate would be insane on a bipod

[cosmic pilot]

That too

But option to switch would be noce

[empty steppe]

Oh for sure

It’s needed on basically all automatic guns in the game

[cosmic pilot]

Well, the bar specifically had a rof toggle

Not sure much else in the game does

[empty steppe]

I’m talking about firing modes mostly

ppsh, stg-44, bar, fg-42, etc

[cosmic pilot]

Well, you get the stg gets a firing mode, the fg42, and the early Thompson but that's kinda it

I forgor if late Thompson has firing mode

[empty steppe]

Yes it does

M1a1 model atleast? The others might too?

[cosmic pilot]

Is it single shot or
Fire fast vs fire faster

[empty steppe]

Semi

[cosmic pilot]

Ah, semi Thompson could be interesting

[empty steppe]

They actually used smg’s on semi during most engagements during ww2, like the ppsh was quite effective that way

[broken shoal]

Finally the hotfix is coming tomorrow. Game was unplayable

[pine ember]

For the FG42 and the StG its a must

[empty steppe]

Yes for sure

[pine ember]

I can forgive them if they dont give a semi auto mode to a SMG

But not if it is for a rifle that was specifically designed to to both

[empty steppe]

Yeah, most of the time from a gameplay perspective it’s just not viable

Too use semi auto

[pine ember]

Especially for the FG it could be good

StG yea maybe

[empty steppe]

Oh yeah, that thing is really tough to handle on full

[pine ember]

I would love a damage rework where the damage is determined by the caliber

[empty steppe]

Thompson would be so op 😂😂

[cosmic pilot]

Behold, the humble 30 cal

[pine ember]

Nah, its still a pistol caliber

[cosmic pilot]

Did I stutter?

[pine ember]

But a FG42 should do almost the same damage as the Kar or G43

Maybe less since bolt actions had the most power

[woeful moat]

will this affect tesco opening times?

[empty steppe]

45 acp’s close range stopping power is extremely good 😂

[pine ember]

What is Tesco?

[empty steppe]

9mm has better range though

[pine ember]

For a pistol yea

[empty steppe]

Yeah, and in a smg, there’s a reason the Thompson gained such popularity 😂

I think some military versions of the Kriss vector still use 45 acp instead of 9mm because of its soft target effectiveness

[pine ember]

After like 200 metres that wont help you much

[empty steppe]

Oh yea 😂

[pine ember]

Thats why machine carbines like the MKb42 and MP44 were developed

[empty steppe]

9mm has better armor pen and accuracy

[pine ember]

9mm is such a good one

[empty steppe]

Best pistol caliber ever designed

[pine ember]

Best gun imo is the StG44, its development history is so interesting

[pine ember]

Not the punch the 45 has, but its accurate

[empty steppe]

And it’s penetration is superior too, 45 spreads out when it hits

45 hollow points 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[pine ember]

Size isnt everything

[empty steppe]

That’s what… nvm 😉

[pine ember]

It sounds funny, but its true

[vale garnet]

Meh, stopping power kind of isn’t a thing

[empty steppe]

?

I mean… yes a bullet is a bullet 😂

[vale garnet]

Yeah but it’s very rare you shoot someone and they “stop”

Normally it takes a lotta lead

Half that time they don’t even realise they’re shot

[cosmic pilot]

It is

[empty steppe]

Well if a 45 breaks they’re leg I think they’ll stop 🤣😂

[vale garnet]

Mehhhh debatable

[keen hazel]

guys is any british division?

[finite berry]

Is any British division what?

[keen hazel]

i mean regiment

[hollow geyser]

What's best lvl class for medic

[vale garnet]

dont play medic

[hollow geyser]

Whu

Why

What's wrong with medic and I don't use it anyways I use anti tank lvl 3 in open field maps and lvl 1 for all of thr abovd

[vale garnet]

because the medic is totally useless, just redeploy instead of being revived

[hollow geyser]

What roles should I use

[pine ember]

Officer

[arctic rampart]

Stop griefing german bird guy

[arctic rampart]

Any role that is not a leadership position.

[spring surge]

Hi everybody! We doing good today yall?

[pine ember]

?

[bitter cipher]

Good afternoon

[idle orchid]

Panther Heavy Tank appearing on North Africa maps.

Ummm panthers did not show in Africa 🤨

[idle orchid]

There is so much cheating it don’t matter a 1000 yard shot by a pistol will kill ya 😂😂

[spring surge]

hi

[worthy charm]

Thats why they are fixing it.

[wind shore]

Viva la France!

🍷

Eat croissant

I’m eating croissant

I love croissant

Croissant

I love it

[river jackal]

Chocolate croissant or egg and ham croissant sandwich best way to consume croissant

[wind shore]

Let’s eat croissant

Give me my 🥄

[river jackal]

You are little spoon tho

[wind shore]

I need spoon

Where is my spooon

Croissant

[river jackal]

No spoon needed for croissant

[wind shore]

Ok

[spring surge]

i just got kicked out of the game like my whole app closed for some reason

internet is fine and stuff idk why

[zenith rover]

man i tried every single ''fixes'' for lost connection to host and i still cant join a server

[spring surge]

same? its randomly not letting me join now

was about to win a match too

[worthy charm]

Thats sad to hear, try to ask in #1271718922734796865

[zenith rover]

i sent a message on the website, just waiting for an answer

[harsh tinsel]

I have a weird guilt no matter what class I play..

If I'm not medic, I'm not reviving and helping the team since we have few medics usually. If I'm not support, there's no supplies. If not engi, nothing being built

Just feel bad when teams don't have all the roles lol

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/astrollc-gif-22237899

[idle orchid]

I hope so I have almost 900hrs and would like to start playing again

[idle orchid]

That’s happened to myself two times. Once like you I was killing it and app closed wtf 🤬

[spring surge]

frr

it be the games where u have like 30 something kills

[harsh tinsel]

dropped a 52 bomb on medic and dc'd

had to rejoin lol

[pine ember]

It’s vive, viva is Spanish

[spring surge]

guys wanna know what i think would be so freaking cool

if we can have 2 allie teams and 2 axis teams

like united states, would have france, soviet union, etc, and axis would have japan, germany, italy, etc

[hollow shard]

Targeting any and all 1st members.

I see a tag you’re getting domed

Gg

[spring surge]

quick question, @hollow shard

[hollow shard]

Goes for TACO too

[spring surge]

how old are you? im not here to judge just wondering.

[hollow shard]

I don’t answer questions officer

[wind shore]

Hello

Go play worms

[wintry thistle]

Romania instead of Japan

[wind shore]

Guys what do you think if adds KV-2

[spring surge]

wdym its cant be possible and its not possible

[wind shore]

Japan Germany

[spring surge]

25, 25

so germany has 25 people

and japan has 25 ppl

[wintry thistle]

I would fall into a deep depression

[spring surge]

onb

[wind shore]

Add 1 for Germans also

[wintry thistle]

Killing myself

[wind shore]

Captured

754 r

[wind shore]

They had some

[wintry thistle]

A T-34 is more appropriate

Think like 10-20 were in use during Kursk

[wind shore]

Makes no sense

If adds KV-2, ur should be balanced

[wintry thistle]

IS-2

[spring surge]

@native sinew yooo im in ur game rn, im cpl tyler

[wind shore]

I think Germans could get some Asians

For Normandy

It would be historically accurate

[wintry thistle]

So true

[wind shore]

With patches

[wintry thistle]

Showcase the ethnic diversity of the German army

[wind shore]

Why not

If it would be historically accurate

Maybe some representation and it’s possible to do

Some Asians were in Atlantic wall

[harsh tinsel]

Does Proning lower the effective radius against grenades?

Or are they just DEATH CIRCLE

[spring surge]

i think proning does help.

sounds stupid, but in bombing runs laying down in trenches is so much more effective than standing up.

[empty steppe]

Science 🤓

Big boom boom spread up and across

[spring surge]

yo these kids are aimbotting in this server istg

or he has like no reload

he killed our whole team with a kar98k like it was a automatic

[slate canopy]

You playing on community or official?

[spring surge]

community

map was sainte mere eglise

but it just ended

[slate canopy]

If there are issues, you can report them to that server with their discord.

[harsh tinsel]

Why is it so hard to level supp.. ree

[slate canopy]

Build nodes, Switch classes, free xp.

[harsh tinsel]

Yeahh.. I know that. Just usually get beaten to the node punch by more experienced engies

Usually not there for game start

[slate canopy]

That's okay, Do that at the beginning of the next game 😉

If you want, there are XP servers, but your choice if you want to or not.

[hollow geyser]

How good is machine gunner

[gray lagoon]

I would say that it is good for defense but not offense

[livid saffron]

I asked out one of my former cowokers who i havent seen since December of last year. I sent a message on Linkedin and she left me on read. I take that as a no?

but she added me

[slate canopy]

Considering Linkedin is more for... business connections, I don't think that's the best place to do so.

[livid saffron]

I couldnt find her on Instagram or Facebook

[bitter cipher]

I have a question

[slate canopy]

What's up

[bitter cipher]

I know there isn’t a lot of customization options but is still possible to make our characters look like the characters from band of brothers even if they aren’t accurate im referring to in game customization without mods for clarification

[slate canopy]

You're free to make a suggestion, but there isn't really access to that, and no mod access.

[bitter cipher]

Ah I see

[wind shore]

Hi guys I'm new to the game

This game is pretty fun

[twin yarrow]

welcome to the chaos \

[wind shore]

I appreciate it thanks

So far I think I'm doing things right

I do communications I ping enemy armor and enemy troop locations and destroy nodes and Gary's

[twin yarrow]

NICE!! Sounds pretty dang good

[slate canopy]

Sounds like a good solider

[wind shore]

Although I did disobey a order from command he told me to Camp a enemy Gary I don't do that in any of the games that I play that's just not me so I destroyed it

I told him I'm willing to take the punishment

[twin yarrow]

i respect that, i camp sometimes because i HATE running all the way back when theres no garys or OP's

[wind shore]

That's fair

I know how annoying it is to get camped as soon as you get spawned I don't wish that on even the enemy

[bitter cipher]

Im also a recent member as well my irl partner recommended this game to me

[slate canopy]

My husband doesn't play 😢

[bitter cipher]

Oh maybe you could introduce him to game

[slate canopy]

It's not his type of game sadly.

[twin yarrow]

dang not everyones cup of tea. I love it tho. realism is my jam

[slate canopy]

It's okay 🤷‍♀️

[spring surge]

and of course

i randomly disconect

when is this going to be patched?? my game just freezes and kicks me out, internet is fine and no other games do this.

[slate canopy]

Hotfix is going tomorrow

#telegrams message

[slate canopy]

I can't tell if I experienced a crash, or a DDOS 😅

[spring surge]

crash

[slate canopy]

Ping got super bad, but it clearly hit everyone on both sides.

[harsh tinsel]

I kinda wish there was parachuting animations or somesuch

Like a special drop in, like the landing craft opening spawns

[wind shore]