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midnight nacelle
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I love @wind shore 😘

pine breach
midnight nacelle
stoic garnet
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Server admins can’t even spawn vehicles after 5 years. We are as far from mod support as possible

worthy charm
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The amount of birds in here is impressive.

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Wait, does Altberg count as a Bird?

midnight nacelle
pine breach
wind shore
midnight nacelle
nova pivot
pine breach
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@oak current are you a vulture or a fluffy owl?

midnight nacelle
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I was completely stunned when I learned this as well. šŸ˜…

pine breach
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Noo.. this can't be true.

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I must hear it from the man himself

wind shore
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Guys, do you know, that if press alt or circle on console, you can hide in the halftrack on gunner seat

pine breach
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Did you know friendly fire doesn't work tank vs tank?

wind shore
pine breach
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..And did you also know that flamethrowers do not hurt blueberries?

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In fact, blowing up a AT mine near a blueberry doesn't kill them

pine breach
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I need a role that says "Do Not Leave Unsupervised"

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Jericho is writing an entire paragraph

thorny acorn
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or two

midnight nacelle
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If you don't mind Herb, I'm going to please ask you to please throw in a few emojis or something to make your sarcastic quips just a little bit clearer. šŸ˜…

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Please be mindful your majestic Pink Colour makes you seem official.

pine breach
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Replace my HLLInfantry with a 🪿 and we have a deal

midnight nacelle
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An official nuisance. /s šŸ˜… 🤣

wind shore
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belgium gates - you correcting the enemy tank moving, and placing mines near it

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excellent , it's works

pine breach
wind shore
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i love to be an engineer, and blocking ways

pine breach
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T17 bought HLL from blackmatter, I came with the package

thorny acorn
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From the Screen šŸ“ŗ To the Ring 🄊 To the Pen šŸ–Šļø To the King šŸ‘‘

wind shore
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how to make gif from HLL video?

thorny acorn
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type that in google

wind shore
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<@&365680483276816385>

pine breach
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Did you 🫵 know ā‰ļø that blueberries šŸ”µ need motivation 🤜 😩 to defend šŸ›”ļø strongpoints? ā­•

thorny acorn
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bruh, <@&365680483276816385> u need to ban this guy

pine breach
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They're SLACKING!!

thorny acorn
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its been up for 2 minutes, hll mods don't do their job smh

pine breach
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If they had assigned me the pee colors, it would've been done šŸ˜”

wind shore
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I think we shouldn’t pay attention much to it, definitely it’s trolling

pine breach
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#Herb4Admin

worthy charm
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Im sorry, I had fun playing Skyrim together... Is that a viable excuse?

worthy charm
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🤣

nova pivot
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I guess they were charging your battery.

fluid pawn
pine breach
fluid pawn
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And I'm on solar power which is rough in cloudy England

restive crater
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I don’t like seeing standard issue uniforms locked behind a paywall, I don’t like seeing SS uniforms on maps like Stalingrad, I don’t like winter camp on summer and fall maps, why can’t the devs add a option to where I can make everyone’s uniform accurate to the map I’m playing on?

nova pivot
pine breach
glossy ridge
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Do we know what will be the change on the medic please ? and recon v2 please ?

fluid pawn
fluid pawn
restive crater
pine breach
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But.. they added cosmetic loadouts Altberg

thorny acorn
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well thats their problem, just tell them to change camos

glossy ridge
thorny acorn
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nope

restive crater
fluid pawn
thorny acorn
nova pivot
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One solution to the uniforms problem would be to create a specific version of the factions for snow maps. Like in the desert maps

worthy charm
worthy charm
pine breach
worthy charm
wind shore
worthy charm
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I just got called old, so I guess I would die soon anyway😪

wind shore
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Cause some people still using parkas or white clothes on fully green and summer maps

wind shore
cyan saddle
frigid carbon
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Hello

nova pivot
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Hello

pine breach
cyan saddle
wind shore
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About winter smocks

fluid pawn
cyan saddle
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Interesting play on words

nova pivot
worthy charm
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xDšŸ˜†

tender shore
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Guys and girls what are hell let loose DLC do I have buy it? Is it on console?

worthy charm
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Zeltbahn maybe... But you get good camo later either way, see it more as a way to support the devs.

tender shore
oak current
wind shore
wind shore
silk igloo
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they should add unbalanced superheavy tanks as DLC for a 100 dollars and milk the compscene dry

wind shore
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It’s only about the look of character

silk igloo
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and to entertain me with the absolute drama

slate canopy
thin lotus
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Hll needs whacky skins

tender shore
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I got a 39kill match today it was fun

fluid pawn
mellow knoll
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Yay I can't wait to see the E-100 implemented as a meme.

silk igloo
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you should @ here once again for that, it was so chaotic last time

wind shore
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I got all kills mostly in sniper

fluid pawn
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an @ here every hour

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plan for next year sorted

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@ here - "it's 1pm."

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like an awful clock

wind shore
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Ben, would snow uniforms be locked on summer maps ?

pine breach
wind shore
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It’s really a problem with that, some people use it and being spot all team in white

fluid pawn
wind shore
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Yes, snow ( white ) camos on green summer maps , it’s in use, some people wearing parkas, white uniforms on any summer maps

mellow knoll
midnight nacelle
wind shore
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Snow uniforms for winter maps

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Or short sleeves some people wearing on snow maps

signal solar
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Does anyone else have stutters on tobruk (pc)?

wind shore
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Or after adding new winter snowy uniform, which is not only white, it has snowy texture - also somebody wear it in summer maps also

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Please lock šŸ”’ them !

cerulean kite
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hey devteam if you give us a berlin map you can charge overpriced volkssturm cosmetics dlcs, winning

arctic rampart
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Go make a suggestion about it

hexed radish
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Could we make the best Clip of "best of ep1" be just a guy building nodes. As a meme.

arctic rampart
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Go make a suggestion about it

novel geyser
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Ben when are they scanning you to be put into hll

nova pivot
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A DLC i would pay

arctic rampart
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Actually, I forgot one thing. Have to give credit where credit is due.
Good job thinking about and greenlighting the clips idea. It seems like actually something refreshing coming from the universal term "devs" that we say so often.
As long as it's kept alive, will be fun to watch.

wind shore
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It’s 1945 stuff, none of them should be in 1944 also

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It requires own sub faction for 1945 maps

nova pivot
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Last ditch German faction were you only have 2 bullets for your 40 years old mauser

novel geyser
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šŸ‘ sub factions šŸ‘

wind shore
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Africa done well with subfaction

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It was before the hell, with STG44 and Panthers

novel geyser
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safest start to introducing them would be airborne or eastern front germans

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airborne would largely have the same loadouts, only difference would be cosmetics

wind shore
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I hope you guys haven’t thrown popcorn šŸæ in cinema during watching Minecraft film

wind shore
novel geyser
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what do you mean?

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the existing airborne uniforms would just be made standard/only usable on the airborne faction

wintry thistle
wind shore
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I feel bad about cinema owners and people around, who was on Minecraft movie when it happened

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It’s a shame of all Minecraft community

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We will not get 1.22 update for it

cerulean kite
covert elbow
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Could add reinforced versions for the M43 as well

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But yea other then that not much until they add a patch system

novel geyser
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real?

fluid pawn
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Before @atomic pendant get's an easter egg I heard

ember sentinel
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test

novel geyser
# covert elbow Could add reinforced versions for the M43 as well

theres already the reinforced m43 isnt there? free DLC tho, make that a level unlock, the standard airborne uniform the default. And then you have the hot drop DLC there too, plenty of maps to use it.
German paratroops can get a lot more customisation probably with different camos and helmet accessories

covert elbow
covert elbow
novel geyser
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aah

covert elbow
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Also if we get a sub faction they could finally introduce face paints for them

novel geyser
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the green one yeah

covert elbow
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Rolled up sleeves for the M42 as well

covert elbow
novel geyser
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hnnnnng dont make me pull out my doodles

fluid pawn
covert elbow
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I swear he already has one doesn’t he?

covert elbow
novel geyser
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yeah but no one has found it yet GBPig

covert elbow
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True

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But yea time to make an airborne sub faction list now

thin lotus
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KS backer names need to be put on tombstones

novel geyser
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#1259880993959972884 cough cough taking the chance to plug this again while ben is looking..... ccough cough

covert elbow
covert elbow
thin lotus
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no, those are for me and me only

covert elbow
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Just make unique helmets! Why lock actual historical and common use helmets behind a kickstarter 99.8% of players didn’t see!

novel geyser
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come ooooon share

wind shore
covert elbow
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I just want to rock chicken wire and an A-Frame M1 for my airborne

wind shore
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Backers?

novel geyser
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I think I've only seen someone with a kickstarter helmet once and that was a good few years ago

thin lotus
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$5k and the code is yours

covert elbow
wind shore
thin lotus
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šŸ™Š

covert elbow
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I guarantee you there’s less then 50 of the original backers who still play

wind shore
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Guys in backers uniforms

novel geyser
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most recently I saw was a pre order helmet and even that is rare

covert elbow
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Like just give them a helmet with a cool custom camo or KS written in lettering. Hell give them a helmet with their own name on it. Just give my my M1 with M44 goggles

novel geyser
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I do really really want the m1 with goggles

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its a crime that is kickstarter only

oak current
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dont think that counts as a crime

covert elbow
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It’s locking standard issue stuff behind paywalls

novel geyser
oak current
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but as an incentive that people would donate on the kickstarter.

wind shore
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Backers got unique uniforms cause its backers

thin lotus
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without me, you're not even playing HLL
Say 'thank you'

novel geyser
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Kickstarters should of course get something but it should be something other than fairly standard looking stuff

thin lotus
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one of the BM devs offered a gold STG if someone bought him a graphics card back in the day

novel geyser
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I'd rather that tbh

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not like you see many kickstarters these days

covert elbow
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But the tricolor decal? Really?

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Chicken wire?

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1st ID insignia helmet?

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It’s just fusturating

molten sail
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we need the pacific

novel geyser
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tricolour im not bothered about really, wasnt the helmet only used very early in the war. Dont think you'd see too many people with it

covert elbow
novel geyser
thin lotus
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the game unironically does

covert elbow
covert elbow
thin lotus
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no code for you!

wind shore
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But have seen it on photos

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It’s from WW1, right? Making camo paintings on helmets

novel geyser
# wind shore I don’t know the history of this helmet

March 1940 the decal was removed from the helmet
Most photos you see it will likely be from 1939 or later during the early years of the war, its often featured in many films and games because of how iconic it is. But in reality the uniform changed a lot through the course of the war, often times in very small ways usually as material conservation I believe

novel geyser
covert elbow
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Or better yet, let us choose helmet insignia

novel geyser
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I do know the more veteran troops in the german army often kept using their older gear since they figured the newer ones would be inferior in some cases

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Like the german side caps wouldnt be issued during D-Day but anyone who still had theirs could often still wear them I believe

brisk pine
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where to find discord who plays hll. like communities

covert elbow
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Like you wouldn’t see them in combat to often but they sometimes appeared

wind shore
brisk pine
novel geyser
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From what Im aware the field/side caps are just formal headwear when out of combat, when going into combat people would probably favour wearing a helmet. But I suppose there would be cases of someone losing theirs or being rushed into combat and not having the time to find it or something

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but you cant always trust photos and combat footage since its usually staged for propaganda anyways

covert elbow
novel geyser
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yea

covert elbow
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So it might be a similar thing but I don’t know

covert elbow
novel geyser
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it would just probably be, open combat = wear a helmet
more covert operations, going without has advantages like you said

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that being said it seems hard to find period photos or british or americans wearing field caps

amber latch
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Anybody know some good servers/communities that actually use voice chat? im getting tired of the silent games

novel geyser
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feels like its just gonna be luck of the draw, any community servers ran by clans might get you better chances.

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and often getting in the right squad and sometimes being the one to get people to talk

midnight barn
wind shore
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helmets is more iconic for US faction

covert elbow
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So that’ll have to be left for veterans testimonies

covert elbow
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In Europe you have to deal with any number of explosions, artillery, and mortars

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In the pacific a lot of it was close quarters jungle fighting where you’d be fighting within close eyesight of each other

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Well

midnight barn
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Pacific was half & half

covert elbow
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No actually not a lot of it. But early war campaigns like in the Solomon’s would have

midnight barn
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Distance & Close

covert elbow
wind shore
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we need M1A1

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for fifleman and medics

novel geyser
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maybe its just a difference in how they enforce dress codes or something

covert elbow
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For the U.S. you had to have your helmet on at basically all times

novel geyser
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caps being for when you're on leave or something and outside of a potential combat zone, but the soviets and germans were more "wear them out of combat for comfort if you want"

midnight barn
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More so, for the ETO not including North Africa or Italy a lot of servicemen wore Jeep Caps or the A4 Mechanics Cap

covert elbow
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wtf is the ā€œ99th divisionā€ helmet

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Why is the infantryman wearing an A4 cap

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Just give him a jeep cap

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And get rid of that awful snow

wind shore
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Who loves HLL more HLLove put the reactions

midnight barn
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I'm pretty sure it's the Jeep Cap last I checked.

novel geyser
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they really shot themselves in the foot adding snow to the cosmetics but not restricting them to snow maps only lol

covert elbow
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There’s no brim for the jeep cap

midnight barn
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Are you talking the one combined with the M1?

novel geyser
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yes

covert elbow
wind shore
midnight barn
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Honestly, yea why is that the A4 lmao

midnight barn
covert elbow
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They also put the flashlight in the soliders pocket despite the fact there’s literally a clip for it to attach to webbing or the outside of the pocket

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I stg they need to get a historical advisor for this stuff

wind shore
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how this helmet with spade calls

novel geyser
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not a super bad oversight I suppose, I probably would have made that mistake

covert elbow
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Hell I’d do it for free regarding the US stuff. Hit me up Ben!

novel geyser
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as in the cap not the snow

covert elbow
novel geyser
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snow is an obvious oversight

warm girder
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they try

midnight barn
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Try harder, dammit.

covert elbow
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I’d also complain with the gloves. I don’t know what those are and the leather palms would have been fine

midnight barn
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Make the stuff accurate, then slap a price on it

novel geyser
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they still need to get rid of/update the awful winter warfare white uniforms

covert elbow
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Why am I paying $12 for a bunch of uniforms that should have been in the game on launch

thin lotus
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Why’s anyone

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That’s why

covert elbow
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Also wtf is the US commanders assault jacket locked to him

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That’s been in the game since before alpha and people have been begging for it for all classes for years

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Then they release it in a paid bundle for one class??? And even worse at the time of release one map???

midnight barn
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Should be unlocked for Officer & Assault.

covert elbow
covert elbow
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The standard one has the dumb rolled up sleeves and doesn’t have gaiters

novel geyser
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yeah that commander assault vest is ridiculous

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no reason to be locked to commander in a £12 dlc

covert elbow
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Oh and don’t get me started on the ā€œPattonā€ uniform

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That is quite litteraly a dollar store Patton

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Helmet just sucks entirely, the patches and insigna are so low poly and baked in instead of sewn, the ivory pistol belts are just a stupid thing to add

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It should have just been a B3 jacket with normal commanders equipment. Not litteraly just Patton

novel geyser
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speaking of uniforms, insurgency sandstorm just announced another update and the insurgents are getting another stupid edgy tacticool outfit USPTSD

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actually took me a minute to work out which one was an insurgent and which was security in the promo image

covert elbow
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I don’t play insurgency so I got no clue which is which either way haha

novel geyser
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game set in the middle east, insurgent being local militia based off of real life middle eastern insurgent groups, old soviet equipment, balaclavas stuff like that.
Security being based off of local middle eastern militaries and Nato allies, so old/modern Nato and US equipment
A simple style that you couldn't really get wrong but they keep giving the insurgents weird airsoft larp gear. You can barely make a realistic middle eastern insurgent with the in-game customisation

covert elbow
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Ah

dusty bronze
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Hello guys

covert elbow
arctic rampart
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Welp, after being in the Arma Reforger community for 3 weeks. I can tell you over there is no better than here

cyan saddle
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What a surprise

arctic rampart
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Everyone always glazes arma for being some super realistic simulator when in result it's just another game with as many holes in it as swiss cheese

novel geyser
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Arma is what I'd consider a milsim tho GBPig

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Atleast arma 3 I've not played reforger

arctic rampart
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Like right now I got into a discussion with some peeps in regards to heat-seeking missiles and how they destroy helis w/o warning and even when using countermesures still have a 80% chance to hit.

They apparently made it quite complex on how flares etc. work, decently realistic. Even though IRL rockets don't hit 80% of the time, flares are actually quite good.

So I just explained to them from a gameplay perspective, not having the ability to react properly and even if you do you still get screwed, isn't good.
They completely missed the point and wanted to argue with me how detailed they've made it...

arctic rampart
novel geyser
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Lol

pine breach
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Noone has talked here for 30 minutes.. sending an artillery shell

thin lotus
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#removegifembeds
Thx

cyan saddle
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Nah

thin lotus
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Then add streamable embeds

cosmic pilot
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chumables 😩

thin lotus
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Bring it back

cyan saddle
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Can't have one without the other

thin lotus
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lets see

cyan saddle
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That's crazy

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Do you still have the BurningWiki one

thin lotus
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yeah, i'd have to reupload it

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nvm, the site still stores it cause it had enough views

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whatever happened to this guy

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almost 3 years ago, good lord

cyan saddle
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Classic

livid ember
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YO what are the best dlcs for like snow maps

slate canopy
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also the "Winter Warfare", but that's free and seasonal.

livid ember
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preciate it

slate canopy
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ico_HLLSalute Sure thing.

gaunt turret
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Will there ever be a Pacific theater?

slate canopy
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As of right now - No. They want to, but it's more than just a new map, new weapons, and new faction to do it correctly. It's a possibility in the future. This is from the Q&A #1 from a couple weeks ago.

wooden cloud
real parrot
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Hetzer when

midnight nacelle
thin lotus
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most kino Hitman game

arctic rampart
novel geyser
covert elbow
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They just need to make the summer warfare and winter warfare base game. It was always weird how their limited time events

novel geyser
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Yup

wind shore
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Hello

worthy charm
steady vessel
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They just need to make the booty shorts free for everyone. It's a shame we have to pay money to live out our drip dreams

nova pivot
wind shore
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ok

wind shore
grim solstice
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I've relegated myself to just pushing and defending points as rifleman while taking instructions from more experienced squadmates, what should be my next step

midnight nacelle
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Absorb their knowledge and become a god among men.

nova pivot
thorny acorn
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just dont mindlessly follow orders, thats how war criminals are made

silk igloo
# grim solstice I've relegated myself to just pushing and defending points as rifleman while tak...

Keep doing that as a support and either ask if any officer needs supplies, or put them in a usable spot yourself. If officers don't gravitate to build them, it's their fault. Just remember to put it in the blue and measure the distance to the nearest garry. Or play as an AT and focus on tanks when they appear - usually you can hear their cannon a mile away. If both AT and support are taken, go engineer and plant mines while doing the same thing. They're all a direct upgrade to just a rifleman.

sacred pier
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how many mines can i put down till it starts to replace the first one? Was it 6?

novel geyser
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should show you the max you can place same with garrison and engie building count

viscid grail
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I hate Omaha beach with a passion

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Why is every gun on the German side for DAK either a mp40 or kar98

thin lotus
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To keep the game as boring as possible

covert elbow
viscid grail
split lynx
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Guys, who agrees hell let loose should add more snipers in each team? It’s one of the main reasons I play Enlisted instead of HLL sometimes.

past vortex
silk igloo
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hll should return to 1 sniper per team if anything

real parrot
finite berry
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Sturmgewehr. You're butchering my beautiful language.

past veldt
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When are they releasing the raygun from call of duty world at war?

granite solar
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guys is there any chance devs let us choose selected uniforms for selected maps so we dont play with winter uniform on desert map

grizzled kiln
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Hey, I like people running around in winter camo on a desert map. Don't make it harder for me to see them šŸ™‚

thorny acorn
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well its a skill issue for those players

covert elbow
thin lotus
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It won’t happen but if you don’t also remove arty that’s a great way to increase the amount of collective whining in any given match

empty steppe
worthy charm
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Is this bannable?

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xD

worthy charm
empty steppe
finite berry
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Should be šŸ‡©šŸ‡Ŗ

covert elbow
thin lotus
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😌

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Nothing ever happens

covert elbow
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Real

empty steppe
granite solar
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airborne uniform should be default uniform for carentan map

thorny acorn
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Tuah

stable cliff
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Anyone els like spam

steady vine
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W

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When HLL virtual reality

finite berry
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After the Pacific and Mortar update

nova pivot
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We need more cosmetics that unlock with account level.

desert owl
sweet hawk
tall kettleBOT
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timid quartz
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feel free to join stream gunrod262 and play with me

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on twitch

fresh obsidian
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I want to post event , and have acces im the leader of the NOFEAR clan , if someone can take the time to unlock my tag please

fresh obsidian
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Thx man

wind shore
fresh obsidian
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Thx i send a new scrim i create with 95th , open for all clan to play well and stong 🫵 you must survived šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ’€šŸ”„šŸ”„

tulip scroll
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why is it so difficult finding a non-empty server to jump into and play

nova pivot
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Or maybe you're trying to play skirmish.

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opaque ingot
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Genuine question, what's worse...
A. A full tank squad but none of them talk to each other
B. A locked tank squad with only one guy in the squad
C. A full tank squad that regularly team kills for laughs
D. Getting headshot from across the map by a random guy (wrong place at the wrong time)

slate canopy
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Is A killing tanks?

opaque ingot
slate canopy
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Hm... probably C then.

keen thistle
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Hello I was interested in posting my clans page. We were originally posted but our message was deleted due to the member deleting his account. I was unsure if this went against the rules or not since it’s a grey area but he is no longer with us.

opaque ingot
slate canopy
tulip scroll
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switched from hell let loose to marvel rivals and immediately am switching back

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not the same

past vortex
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why and how did you expect it to be the same

tulip scroll
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idk shooter

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u right tho

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im stupid the axis powers wouldve culled me

slate canopy
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Marvel Rivals is a 3rd person hero shooter that's 6 v 6... way different than Hell Let Loose's First Person Tactical shooter lol

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I do enjoy Overwatch, which is similar to Marval Rivals, but still very different than Hell Let Loose.

past vortex
tulip scroll
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im just saying it wasnt even halfway as enjoyable

slate canopy
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If you don't enjoy it, that's okay. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

lucid shale
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if it was a recon tank then maybe he could get away with it

slate canopy
lucid shale
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dont get in anything bigger than a recon if your a solo tanker

slate canopy
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Honestly, I don't mind a solo tank if it's literally our only tank. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø Better than 0 tanks.

slate canopy
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I agree with Jericho ico_HLLSalute

lucid shale
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why they lock them if their solo i dont understand

midnight nacelle
lucid shale
midnight nacelle
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If people request and they seem okay I'll give most people a fair chance.

lucid shale
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yeah see you do it the right way

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but people who lock the squads and reject any requests to join then proceed to roll around in heavy tanks only to get slapped the moment they get into a fight should be taken out to the back of the shed in my opinion

midnight nacelle
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Out back and spanked. šŸ‘‹

slate canopy
lucid shale
past python
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Good morning

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I'm wondering if Hell Let Loose is the right thing for me.

I loved Battlefield V (and I still play 2042). I also play Rainbow Six Siege since Year 4, aka 2019. So I'm no stranger to tactical shooters either-

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I dont know what it is, but something kept me from buying and playing Hell Let Loose. Thats why I'm asking if its too late to actually start playing. Haha...

golden laurel
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Why do all Tobruk servers lack online? šŸ™

warped patrol
# past python I'm wondering if Hell Let Loose is the right thing for me. I loved Battlefield...

I love BF1 and it was main game for me before HLL, but I still play it with my friend who doesn’t have HLL.
It’s completely two different worlds and different pace games.
If you are tired sometimes of people not dying from 1-2 bullets in BF V — then welcome to HLL.
But HLL is much less cinematic and it’s not AAA blockbuster.

I recommend you to wait for sale and while you are waiting— watch updates YouTube videos and tutorials; after that jump to community servers in game and play safe, don’t be a hero.

With introduction of community servers game has become much more new players friendly.

past python
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Dont be a hero. Hell, I learned that when playing Rainbow Six for the first time

vocal pelican
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any way to report cheating players in public lobbies? im sorry if this is wrong chat, im new here

past python
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Is there some kind of health regen (automatically) or do you have to see a doc, find medipacks?

midnight nacelle
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It's absolutely not too late, I'd say now is one of the better times to drop in! ico_HLLSalute

But if unsure you can wait for a sale or cross your fingers for a Free Weekend. šŸ¤ž

vocal pelican
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had a guy that was aimbotting, he had 9000 points half way through the game

past python
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its on sale right now. and i'm no stranger to tactical shooters. in fact, rainbow six and arma are some of my favorites to this day

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i play warzone every now and then for the arcade feeling (and ngl, i love action), but at the end of the day, i always return to more realistic games

midnight nacelle
past veldt
past veldt
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Death isn't a bad thing though. You'll respawn with all of your ammo and utility back

past python
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so it kinda is like battlefield and rainbow.

AND you can respawn hahaha

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that was always my biggest issue with rainbow six

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that people are leaving once they died and have to wait until the next round

midnight nacelle
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Dying can set you back, but you're never out of the battle just that fight. P_Stefan

warped patrol
past python
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conquest mode (kind of)

warped patrol
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Give HLL a try if it’s on sale now, tweak your controls settings and sensitivity and start long journey for being able to call yourself not a blueberry

past python
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because kills are apparently more important

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in fact, a well placed death of a team member can change the entire match to your favor. because now you have someone to give you intel without you having to go afk and use your drone

real parrot
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Hello chat Stuart

grim solstice
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Its not at all too late to get the game

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Still quite an influx of new players

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You missed out on a pretty big sale on steam like a week ago

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I’m not even that into multiplayer games because I’m shy but I haven’t been flamed once, just make sure to listen to more experienced players and to stick to more basic roles for your first few hours

real parrot
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First tip, don't play on official servers

past python
past python
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It becomes free to play in june

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Good for me. As a veteran, that has been around since launch in 2015, I get some noobs to kill

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Probably good for my ego when I get obliterated in HLL

cerulean kite
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had a weird crash occur when a grenade detonated

past python
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well

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its supposed to explode, you know?

wind shore
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Yesterday , was only 1 active server with Tobruk

wind shore
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So, guys should seed official servers on console. To have something in rotation.

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it was full of 1st day , everybody was playing Tobruk, on the next day already, it was removed from rotation 70%, and now, only 1 or 0 servers available with Tobruk

silk igloo
wind shore
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šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜… šŸ‘

golden laurel
wind shore
cyan saddle
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I've not heard of any technical issues, nor am I seeing a lack of servers running it šŸ¤”

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These numbers are PC only though

grizzled kiln
wind shore
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on PC i've seen much aswell , playing Tobruk

novel geyser
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dude on the HLL reddit trying to say current artillery is "risk vs reward"

midnight nacelle
worthy charm
novel geyser
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insane that people actually defend the spawn camp loop

worthy charm
novel geyser
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trying to convince him that arty needs to be removed and replaced with motars and his first conclusion was "clearly you're salty you get rekt by arty lul"

worthy charm
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Honestly I hate that kind of first reaction on here as well.

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Its the least helpfull thing to say like always everwhere

wind shore
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I think, arty

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arty could stay and mortars could be available only in offensive team

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but those meta - camping ,isn't good, small mobile mortar squad

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arty for defensive team

novel geyser
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there is an obvious change but arty players wouldnt be happy

wind shore
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and at all - spawn camping garrisons , isn't good at all, it could be dogouts for spawn , or special buildings

novel geyser
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the problem with the current arty tho isnt just the spawn camping, its also the spam

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theres room for logistics to have a stronger impact on motars, like needing supplies near them, arty just runs off of the resourses that wont need to be thought about too much if you're team has a brain and places nodes

past python
novel geyser
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ur clearly just salty, artillery is the best system in the game and spawn killing is good actually because its what the devs intended GERPig

tender shore
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I be getting artillery personally dropped from the Devs upon my head sometimes I die 6 times in a row to artillery whilst everyone around me is perfectly fine🄺

dusty bronze
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How rare Is getting someone while their driving a car as a spotter sniper

tender shore
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Though I hate it, I do still think that it should be in the game since it is semi skilled to use artillery and can turn the tide of battle, my real complaint is definitely the spawn camping But as you said it's a feature

dusty bronze
tender shore
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Yeah I used to hate getting spawn killed all the time but then I just took some time to watch how the blueberries play and they be placing our garrisons on the middle of the road or objective Which caused us to be in said situation 😭

fast mulch
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Did any of yall have a hacker in yalls game yesterday?

dusty bronze
fast mulch
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Yeah there was one on a elesborn ridge game

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Yesterday

flint bison
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fly around or just aimbot and esp?

fast mulch
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It was a american shooting a mg42 (o think) he would be in a hill/ridge and would have perfect aim only headshots and snapping aswell as shooting thru some stufff like he shot me and 3 people while inisde of a trench when he was on a hill parrelel to the trench were it wouldve been impossible ti shoot

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It was the same guy for everyone bc the serv had wkm! And it was the same guy for everyone

tender shore
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Someone is gonna reply to this with "skill issue" I'm calling it now

fast mulch
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Proh

flint bison
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skill issue

fast mulch
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He jus thad a good gamming chair

tender shore
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I have a gaming couch

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I cannot afford a chair

novel mantle
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give british shermann firefly in tobruk

granite solar
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is there any chance to add more subfactions?

empty steppe
novel mantle
novel mantle
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So sherman firefly please

worthy charm
novel mantle
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That works too

lean pike
novel mantle
empty steppe
worthy charm
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It didnt even exist on the 2nd battle.

lean pike
wind shore
empty steppe
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I disagree

novel mantle
empty steppe
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But whatever hah

worthy charm
novel mantle
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The firefly can easily penetrate the tiger from the front

worthy charm
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Even though would the hell gun be for the driver or a 4th person.šŸ¤”

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I start to like the m3

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Where is the M3?!?!

wind shore
empty steppe
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Idk šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

worthy charm
cosmic pilot
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Are we talking about the m3 lee

worthy charm
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We are

cosmic pilot
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Gunner gets turret, driver gets casemate

wind shore
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Sent M3 lee in WW2 history

granite solar
empty steppe
visual niche
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We're talking M3 Lee right

empty steppe
worthy charm
novel mantle
wind shore
# empty steppe No Maus

yes, we talking about AK-47 and Sherman Fire flys in Africa, so we slowly moved to M3 LEE šŸ˜‚

empty steppe
worthy charm
wind shore
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Flamethrower for medics

worthy charm
wind shore
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and AT gun for them, for balance

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šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜… šŸ‘

empty steppe
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I need help šŸ˜‚

wind shore
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i'm joking of course, about AK-47 , AT guns for medics)

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it's sarcasm niddle

worthy charm
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Giving medic a wrench for at guns wouldnt make him better ...šŸ˜…

novel mantle
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why can't I have firefly for tobruk? why does the luchs and puma get an exception

granite solar
wind shore
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by the way, i feel very nice with bolt rifle for medic

worthy charm
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Couldnt it be your slightly biased about the firefly?

novel mantle
wind shore
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I remember, if i'm not mistaken, about that when was British rework in Africa, it was voting for 3 type of tanks, and Crusader won

worthy charm
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Devs gotta make thise first

wind shore
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on reddit, i voted for Crusader, i clearly remember , and it got most of votes

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Wombat did it, the 3 option voting

novel mantle
wind shore
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And now, Crusader is a fox in this desert to be honest, this camo makes him like snake between desert cliffs

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and this shape of tank tower and the shape of tank at all

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square shapes

worthy charm
wind shore
worthy charm
wind shore
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i think it's done well to make richochets , this shape

worthy charm
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If you want to kill your crews it sure is

past vortex
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lol

wind shore
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I like to imitating how i'm staying behind the tank

past vortex
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its a shot trap

wind shore
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and the tank crew sometimes leave the tank

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they feel uncomfortable with it

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that somebody just sneaky staying on the a** of tank , and doing something

granite solar
novel mantle
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"broski"

granite solar
novel mantle
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I'm talking about how a sherman can pen a tiger's front

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While a lee 3 can't

wind shore
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i think each tanks have own specs

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it depends on mm, it could penetrate or no

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and armour specs together

worthy charm
novel mantle
novel mantle
wind shore
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i'm not good in tank specs

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so can make mistakes in it

novel mantle
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Well it can

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Easily

worthy charm
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The stats are the same for their cannons

wind shore
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What's about Matilda

novel mantle
wind shore
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i see tracks on first person, cause it's big tank

worthy charm
novel mantle
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there goes realism out the door

worthy charm
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It may not be as stylish or good engeneered as the Tiger, but it works.

novel mantle
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What kind of churchill is at tobruk anyway?

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Churchill MK VII??

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jesus christ, that's a 1944 tank

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Where's my firefly then??

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And germans can't get the panther

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because it "wasn't at tobruk" 🤣

worthy charm
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Youre making this a bigger issue than it actually is

novel mantle
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In which it was argued that the panther wouldn't be there because it wasn't in service in 1942

worthy charm
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Now the funny thing is that you are wrong

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We got a churchill mk3 on tobruk

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Which still doesnt make a diffrence because (like all heays) it got the same cannon...

wind shore
worthy charm
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More or less...

wind shore
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Panther is fast vehicle , just if you want to get fast to the strong point, take tank class, request Panther, and move to the point. Now you can jump out and fight

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Or are you about using tanks like tanks, or not just vehicle to get to the point and fight like infantry after you get..

lucid shale
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who tf is @past python

wind shore
lucid shale
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mf dming me trynna get me to change my status

past python
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yeah because i had a similar one and actually got reported for it, leading to beef with discord.

All I wanted to do is to let you knowšŸ˜‚

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Jesus, dont take it that hard

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Because I know how it feels like to argue over such a nonsense with discordšŸ’€

flat stump
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Hi, I'm relatively new to this game and a few days ago I reinstalled it and it's not letting me play peacefully. Sometimes the screen gets stuck searching for a game or in the middle of it game I've already tried many things because like 3 months ago or more I played it a lot and it worked well and now that I installed it again I can't play. Has this happened to anyone with the latest version?

past python
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See? Nobody really cares about it. Hope youā€˜re happy with your little temper tantrum nowšŸ˜‚

past python
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What system are you on?

flat stump
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game on Windows 11 by Epic Games

worthy charm
past python
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well. i dunno how the performance on epic games is

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but it sounds like you have server issues

flat stump
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I tried on other different servers but the same thing happens to me.

past python
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try connecting to an official one to see if the issue is still there

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cuz maybe the fan server sucks

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or whatever its called

flat stump
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and are there official Spanish servers or are they all English?

past python
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fan servers might be different. but official ones are in english

flat stump
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oh thanks

past python
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iā€˜m new to the game too.

but i literally checked the same things hahaha

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just for german instead of spanish

humble perch
worthy charm
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Even though thats the wrong channel because we were on topic

tame yoke
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is there any fix for the permaloading when joining a game (until the lost connection to host)?
its super frustrating

viscid grail
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The worst thing about this game on console has to be leaderboard, I can never scroll freely without being dragged to the bottom

vivid temple
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your bio @worthy charm

worthy charm
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Yea? Its a awsome sentence

vivid temple
worthy charm
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Ahhhh, sry that series has a diffrent name in germany

pine breach
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angry german noises 47

worthy charm
orchid niche
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How often does Hell let loose go on sale and how much of a sail

novel geyser
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dont mind the bump where they sneakily upped the price 😶

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seems to go on sale every month or so, about as low as 50% at most

silk igloo
orchid niche
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ima just get it at 40% off

empty steppe
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I will say it is worth the price you pay, but yeah, it’s expensive šŸ˜‚

orchid niche
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I got it, im super exited

silk igloo
sour summit
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.divagree

empty steppe
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It already has šŸ˜

real parrot
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I'm starting a cult of Mortain haters

nova pivot
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I prefer Mortain over Hill 400

real parrot
nova pivot
real parrot
nova pivot
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Ups🫢 i did it

worthy charm
empty steppe
real parrot
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Remagen is boring yes, but not as bad as Mortain

worthy charm
arctic rampart
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My squad when Mortain comes up next: šŸ›Œ

worthy charm
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Kharcov has horrible balance as well and its still a good map.

arctic rampart
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Ehh in some of the open areas I want to redeploy myself

nova pivot
arctic rampart
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Right side as well

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That mfing point with the windmill

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Screw that place, impossible to flank

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Unless you're on a official server

empty steppe
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No need with a mg-42 in the top of a log cabin šŸ˜‚

river rover
real parrot
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high levels in this game, specially non-sl mains, like too much to flank, neglecting the frontline and thus losing all the strength both on the attack and on the defense, ending up dispersed in useless locations around the map

slate canopy
river rover
lunar remnant
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holy i havent played since U16 but reading patch notes seems like a whole new game

wind shore
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Steam store page needs a update!šŸ˜‚ I thought I was looking at a different game at first!

slate canopy
noble aurora
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anyone else also getting the revive glitch? its when when you hold left click to revive it just SPAMS the h-e-double hockey stick out of it instead of holding

past vortex
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i wouldnt know because i dont do medic but i didnt think that would involve a high explosive hockey stick

covert elbow
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I think the man meant to say hell

noble aurora
midnight nacelle
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You can say Hell.

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Heck if you must. šŸ˜…

noble aurora
cedar shell
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All these official servers are going down the drain. Everyone espouses others of cheating because you have a 1k score weiner b/c the enemy team is operating on singular brain cell brainwaves

slate canopy
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Play on community servers šŸ˜‰

analog apex
arctic rampart
# cedar shell All these official servers are going down the drain. Everyone espouses others of...
Yeah, there's multiple benefits of playing on community servers:
-Less hackers due to actual existing moderation and plugins that help report players. (Official servers have no real way of dealing with hackers.)
-Structured rules that help maintain proper playing. (Stuff like reducing amount of un-led squads. Rules around having a microphone whilst Squad Leading or commanding etc.)
-Ability to get VIP. (Some servers offer free vip via "seeding" or just playing well. Some others allow it via donations or joining their clan. Meaning you can always get in the full server super fast.)
-Events (Many community servers host various events, such as tank only nights, grouping up in discord before-hand for more constructed play, teaching nights etc.)
-Competitive play (You can join various clans of set server communities and participate in competitive skirmish games or even tournaments later if you wish to do so.)
-Higher probability of proper matches (As in increased amount of talkative players. Reduced amount in steam-rolls. Playing using proper strategies, squad leading etc.) (There is still RNG to this based off time of day etc. but overall it will be a better experience.)
-Additional plugins for more of an enjoyable experience (Commands to see last killer, commands to see next map, kill leaderboards, stat overviews (RCON), etc.)

Yes, read all of that. 
midnight ruin
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I'm a new player to hll, and was wondering if there is any plan or current part of the game that allows representation of the 1941 ANZACs?

worthy charm
sharp topaz
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Is there a PH division to join in?

worthy charm
midnight nacelle
midnight nacelle
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Certainly didn't mean to undermine your efforts! ico_HLLSalute

cyan saddle
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Too much yap

midnight nacelle
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I'm just aware reading comprehension isn't common anymore. 🤣

cyan saddle
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JerichoGPT please summarize

ashen basin
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Jericho kick in the 🌰 right there

nova pivot
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When Cologne map?

ashen basin
mellow knoll
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We do? Forgot completely tbh

worthy charm
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I rather take berlin

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Both City are hell incarnate, but Berlin has the Reichstag which could make great urban combat.

sharp topaz
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I just need more close urban combat

slate canopy
midnight nacelle
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Basic deodorant will do. Stinky boys. 🦨

torpid marten
slate canopy
torpid marten
worthy charm
nova pivot
worthy charm
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Ha! This time I was the faster one!!!

nova pivot
torpid marten
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so theres going to be 2 stalingrads

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yes or no

nova pivot
nova pivot
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Nuuh...

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Oblast

midnight nacelle
nova pivot
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Kiev

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Warsaw

torpid marten
# nova pivot Warsaw

you really think the next map is going to be in poland 1943??? stalingrad 2 has a better chance

wind shore
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Tobruk already played in comp, but sadly it's 1-2 servers on console with this rotation

torpid marten
nova pivot
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Another Stalingrad wouldn't be so bad, but if they're going to make another one I hope it's a winter one.

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And they said it would be a summer map

torpid marten
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stalingrad was fought in 5 months before it was over

nova pivot
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Why would they give us another one?

torpid marten
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becuse there are no other major battles from the easternfront which havent already previously been covered

nova pivot
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It's not worth answering that.

torpid marten
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kursk stalingrad kharkov already been done

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so they can only make new maps which extend from those

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thats why stalingrad 2 makes complete sense

vivid temple
tender shore
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Can we get a pizza map aka Italy

past vortex
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no

torpid marten
worthy charm
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I would take a axis faction that isnt germany...

torpid marten
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someone has mentioned that 1943 is the date.

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so if that is the fact. stalingrad 2 is the only reasonable setting

vivid temple
sharp ice
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why refreshing server list taking too much time ?

worthy charm
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-# Sneaky advertisment - check

cosmic pilot
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You thought you could escape my detections

worthy charm
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Damn, one day!!!

torpid marten
worthy charm
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-# Hyrum Solo is a nice person

midnight nacelle
torpid marten
midnight nacelle
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I was also hit by the plant emoji the other day... 🄲

worthy charm
midnight nacelle
torpid marten
worthy charm
balmy trout
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Just joined and got a very important question, I’m new to the game and already trying to grind support to get the flamethrower, I really liked it in world at war and I’m just wondering if it’s even worth it or a good loadout

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Also sorry for kinda interrupting your guys conversation

worthy charm
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Its fun but not really good.

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Maybe a 7/10 on maps with close ranges and a 4/10 on open maps. Most of the times a smg will work better, doesnt come with the same amout of Style though.

midnight nacelle
balmy trout
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Yeah, that’s fair, not gonna be my main option, I just want it, it’s cool

empty steppe
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Why haven’t we gotten the Roks yet šŸ˜”

wintry thistle
empty steppe
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Which narrows it down quite a bit if we’re talking about urban setting

torpid marten
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yep. i have found the map on reddit. so i already know where the choke points are going to be

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the map has actually been 2 years in development

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but its the 1941 version. so they will have updated it since then

wind shore
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and GD

empty steppe
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I wish we would get Belgorod 😢

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Maybe there holding back on us and that’s what it is šŸ¤ž

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It would fit really well since it was in between Kharkov and Kursk šŸ˜‚

wind shore
vivid temple
slate canopy
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Unless the devs confirm, it's only speculation ico_HLLSalute

worthy charm
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Also what PolarBearr says, we dont know anything currently

wind shore
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i meant of course ,there is differences in battles 1941 and 1943, but mostly it's reflects only regiments

torpid marten
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he has said its 1943 eastern front

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so its 100% confirmed

worthy charm
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-# and they are not paid...

torpid marten
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so you are saying polar bear is purposely lying

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theres no need for a mod to do that

worthy charm
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Maybe read the message againšŸ˜…

torpid marten
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who is most likely to get information first?

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a mod or someone on discord

worthy charm
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but she didnt even confirm it🄲

torpid marten
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he said its 1943 eastern front

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it has already been confirmed

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so theres going to be new weapons for the soviets this time r ound

midnight nacelle
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The only confirmations we have are from the public QnA linked below.

It will be 1943, Summertime, Urban and will not be Berlin or Moscow.
||We do not have insider information, or do we? šŸ˜ ||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsF3cv_m6GA&t=796s

Details about our upcoming roadmap - https://steamcommunity.com/app/686810/allnews/

Join our community manager Ben B, alongside some of our incredible devs, as they answer YOUR questions live!
Focus will be on the upcoming roadmap, as well as taking live questions from chat.

Join the next Q&A all about our next map Tobruk (releasing in April...

ā–¶ Play video
novel geyser
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Do you know something we don't?

midnight nacelle
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I will be accepting any and all bribes, thank you. 🫰 /s

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Better throw in that "/s" and cover my ass. šŸ˜… 🤣

novel geyser
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I have a fancy coloured name so I get the info for free right?

cyan saddle
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Don't listen to JerichoGPT

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He's just fabricating stories

novel geyser
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It will be the soviets vs Japan
Got it

cyan saddle
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Noooo

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I mean

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Maybe?

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I don't know

midnight nacelle
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The Moon, 1943. 🌚

oak current
#

Spacific confirmed?

cyan saddle
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Where's that?

novel geyser
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Space ific

cyan saddle
#

oh

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Now I get it

oak current
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SPAAAAAACE

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combined with the pacific

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Spacific

empty steppe
novel geyser
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It will be my awesome map idea
Map is called "the pacific" and it's just a single island and it's US vs Germ

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soviets vs 8th army @novel geyser

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I’d pay for the dlc

novel geyser
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Operation unthinkable update

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oak current
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to be fair..moon should be easy to do map wise
pre generated, wobbly terrain, add caters....space-skybox...done
Some outfits, less gravity...done

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....strafing run and other call-ins might seem a bit strange though bceThinkPonder

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Germans are just hiding on the dark side of the moon 🌚

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So Belgorod is out of the question, and Keiv is too much in the fall I would say

oak current
# novel geyser Reskin old el alamein

I wouldnt mind a hand full of quickly done, generic maps aswell PepeStaring
lets play a round of "Forest" or "Oasis" - no historical accurancy, but not some fantasy setting either.

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heck...I'd take a vehicle-focused map "Desert Dunes" aswell kek

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just dunes..some trees...maybe 2-3 houses across the map...done

midnight nacelle
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# oak current just dunes..some trees...maybe 2-3 houses across the map...done

i have your longitude, latitude, mother's maiden name, creditcard details, your pet chicken's name, your pet chicken's longitude and latitude, your first primary and secondary school names, your teacher's names, a screenshot of the tatto on your left buttcheek and the names of your bedbugs, don't f$&% with me.

oak current
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Leave Ms Cluck out of this sus

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poor innocent chicken

pine breach
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Wait.. it's cluck? I got the wrong name, without a L. mendez_wut

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I'm using dyslexia as my excuse.

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I don't have it but I'm using my 'I have Dyslexia'-single use card.

worthy charm
novel geyser
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I feel like the easiest ones they could do while remaining authentic would be more normandy maps for the brits

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assets already there pretty much its just the layout needing done

oak current
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sounds already like it needs to become historically accurate based on old pictures and blueprints PepeStaring

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...unless its: field+hedges, slightly hilly

novel geyser
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well they'd need to follow references and stuff but they'd probably get away with existing assets, so it skips a big part of the map creation process

slate canopy
real parrot
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Not me

worthy charm
pine breach
silk igloo
silk igloo
formal shore
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This game adds a lot of content but doesn't optimize anything

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I'm talking about hll

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I remember that a while ago it was playable with an RTX 2060. Now not even a 4060 can run it without fps drops

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since when is there this image when starting teh game?

vivid temple
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