mess-hall

[wind shore]

Play HLL of course , I need to play more then be in discord, less time spending in discord and more play, just now it was a break

Cause its an addiction - social media’s

[slate canopy]

definitely can be.

The other game I wanna play... they can be long too 😆

[wind shore]

I wanted to start playing HLL on 💻, but … with out friends it’s pointless. I played it on 💻, but it’s just empty

On console

On PC I’m lvl 80 , but I quiet playing , cause it’s not fun to play with out somebody

[slate canopy]

You can make friends with people 😉

[wind shore]

I know) but it’s not the same people I know with which I play on console

I play with random guys, but + on console , play with friends, and on console you can meet some players which playing in HLL during years , sometimes you see names of guys you already know)

Some legends of HLL

It’s always fun

On PC when I joined clan servers for example, oh like “Hello guys” etc, but not the same emotions that you make with friends, + with friends you better cooperate, just to play with small team of friends it’s always fun! 🫡 😊

On console same people you know plays in the same lobbies )

[slate canopy]

I feel it's similar emotions. I've had great conversations, through multiple games, with the same people.

[wind shore]

Okay) yes, I know, people 99% of time are good in HLL , I love to talk with them and have fun

Each game always feels good atmosphere

[oak current]

I'm not good, I'm a Rebel

[wind shore]

I remember some games also , which were years ago

[oak current]

A Wildcard!

[wind shore]

And people from the lobbies , when it wasn’t server browser it was just quick play))

[past vortex]

🤔 hmmm do you made that 99% up or do you just have a strange perception

[wind shore]

[slate canopy]

Rebels in our hearts?

[wind shore]

Wdym

[oak current]

Heart-Rebels!

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-rebel-heart-ate-ot6-pose-studio-choom-ive-gif-6017154732051781015

[wind shore]

K-POP

[past vortex]

yea tons of music with heart and rebel :D

all genres

[slate canopy]

"Rebel Heart" by IVE lol

[past vortex]

madonna too

and many rednecks

etc

[slate canopy]

Not a favorite song by IVE, I prefer others.

[past vortex]

im sure altberg was aiming for the rednecks tho

[wind shore]

When it wasn’t server browser , before it was more often when you met players, which you often see in lobbies , what I meant, I don’t know how to say it correctly) after server browser you rarely see the same people cause they playing on certain servers

I don’t know how to express my emotions and feels correctly )

[past vortex]

how was it?

[wind shore]

And thoughts , ah , nvm

[slate canopy]

At least with steam, I'll have people who I've added randomly join on me, and it's fun to see them again... but also fun to chill with new folks.

[wind shore]

What I meant , on console you play with randoms , on console it’s fun, and with friends, mixed, but I know 100% I will not meet and play with my friends ever on 🖥️, and you know that the progress I doing on PC it’s pointless) cause will never play here with friends

So on console I also play with randoms, but I know that friends can join me in any moment and I could

And I can play 4K on TV 📺, some advantage , I have my 💻 for work and it’s not have enough power) it’s lagging in all games and at all, so I think console

[slate canopy]

Totally fair.

[wind shore]

Sorry for my English ) I can’t say sometimes what I want to say, so it’s like long texts 😧

Always, long texts , I can’t put my thoughts in 1-2 sentences)

[slate canopy]

It's okay 🙂

[wind shore]

Anyways

I think it’s less laggy at all became

On console crashes happens mostly only while switching the game, not during the match like it was before

Performance on Stalingrad is tooo, way better than it was

Less crashing , it was fixed a lot of things last year

So it’s more comfortable feels to join the game

On console I meant , cause mostly I play there

[slate canopy]

Yeah, makes sense if that's what works best for you.

[wind shore]

On Steam it never crashed for 2 years

Especially I love new time variations

Dusk, cloudy, stormy, rainy, blizzards

[slate canopy]

The Dusk/Dawn has been some of my favorites.

[wind shore]

Sandstorms are coming

[slate canopy]

Yeah, I remember when Max and I explored the game together.

[wind shore]

I every time joining the PTE

On PC

[hazy sorrel]

Only reason I do not agree with adding different weather/time variations is people still cheat by using nvidia filters… all they have to do is rename the .exe file for HLL and they can apply filters. This Allows people to essentially cheat on anything other than a sunny day in game.

[covert elbow]

Okay

That’s never really gonna go away. People “cheat” by just turning up the brightness

[slate canopy]

SHHH. Don't give my secrets away! D:

[hazy sorrel]

Turning up brightness to 200% is in the game.. not cheating

And is fairly limited

[wind shore]

It’s an advantage to other players, I played night maps on 0 brightness for 3 months

[covert elbow]

No it’s basically cheating. You turn night to day

[wind shore]

And still turn off it on night maps

I don’t need the easiest ways

[wind shore]

Moon for example is the solution for some problems, lights and shadows works well in HLL

🌑 lighting

Skyboxes is amazing

I love night moons in HLL, it make you feeling and immersion

[hazy sorrel]

Also all you guys did is prove my point… is just leave the maps on daytime… keep it even for everyone

No rain, no night etc

Don’t give people an opportunity to cheat easily

[wind shore]

sadly to hear that somebody doing this ( I’ve met cheater also recently , 4 months ago the guy was headshoting everybody

[thin comet]

don't you booli us!

[thin lotus]

using a brighter set monitor is also cheating

[wind shore]

Oh, for them it is exist the option in games , I don’t know how it works, but it is in some games , so they could play normally

It’s different function - not brightness, it’s display mode

[thin lotus]

using a better mouse is cheating

adjusting in-game settings is cheating

having a higher refresh rate is cheating

[wind shore]

In COD I remember it was 3 types of this mode for different color perception

In HLL also could be this function

[thin comet]

inregards to being colourblind, for me HLL has been fine, only one battlefield game ever bothered me, where enemies and allies were the same colour, to me atleast, thankfully they had options for it.

[wind shore]

Oh , okay! Yes, I think it depends also on the monitor or TV

[wind shore]

About colors, maybe some of them has this function inside , like more modern models of TV or displays

And separately in some games, display modes in setting

[thin comet]

probably easier to change ingame tho!

more consistent

anyway nap time

[wind shore]

By the way, sadly Xbox misses the impact on triggers , like while you shooting , it’s clicking , on PS 5 elite controller it has this function

So you feel more impact

Of the pulling the trigger

And feels you better while aiming, Xbox elite controller has just function of sensitivity of sticks, that’s all, on PS5 elite DualShock you can make it for shooters games, or for the races

[covert elbow]

That sounds nice ngl

[wind shore]

P.S. Controller is much better on console for tanks and flamethrowers, but not on PC

on PC - mouse and keyboard only gives you best aiming

at the guns, but it was hell when I played tank on PC and should rotate my turret with W, A, S, D

So better to do it with stick , rather then with keyboard

Okay , thanks all for the conservation! I gtg sleep

[slate canopy]

Sleep tight.

[lament forge]

Some nice community

[dusk crest]

Hey could anyone play trying to put a tank crew together

[midnight nacelle]

#console-looking-for-unit

[empty steppe]

goodnight to all!

[covert elbow]

Gn

[wind shore]

The community is cool until you realize that every server you join the first team you're on is simply getting farmed to the ultimate max

With a score comparison of something like 1000:34000

[maiden gale]

Pretty much every clan that play pubs

[glad mauve]

Yo

[analog apex]

now, that is an extreme I haven't seen in my HLL life at all so far, no matter how bad a team was

also, points don't matter as they are obtained with different ways.... a tank with good crew gets fairly easily to 1000+ points while an infantryman needs to work hard for it to get to such number

but yeah, even if clanStacking may be a problem at times, it's not limited just to HLL

it doesn't even need to be a big one... with how stupid the general playerbase is in HLL, all it usually takes is 1 clan squad on one team and that will carry the team. Sometimes even just a few skilled (and even non-clan) individuals influence the course of the match greatly.

the gap between the most skilled and most stupid HLL players has been just so gravely large which makes it possible...

so actually, that makes the source of the problem to be inverted - not the clan/experienced players are the problem, but actually those stupid players are. Because we have much more of those here in HLL than in other games somehow. It is them who cause even a few skilled individuals on one side to triumph so easily in HLL.

[analog apex]

...and since the teams filled with only newcomers or stupid peeps usually lose because of the lack of spawnpoints (especially but not limited to the garrisons), then we come to the only conclusion that ultimately the devs are to blame - as there is no any mandatory tutorial system for the newcomers to complete before letting them into the real online matches (or before letting them to use certain classes)

[pine breach]

Soooo.. basically you're saying that people that complain about the game are stupid?

[echo karma]

No he's saying t17 is stupid cuz no tutorial. They could have done it with the test range. Simple stuff

[real parrot]

Playing this game is not very intelligent tbh

[wind shore]

i think its unlikely that green for me isnt green for you. but your green might be more yellowish or less. i know that i ican spot differences in colors others cant, so i know my eyes are more "sensitive" to that.

because like, nature has colors for us to also somewhat guide us, no? some colors in food look repuslive and poisonous to us. if my green is your red, then essentially that information is only communicated via wavelength. that doesnt really make sense to me. making that argument seems more difficult than simply everyones green is the same (except defects)

also we know that some colors like green and blue are calming and orange is making you more active

i dont think we are like wavelength recievers, but its the visual representation that has that effect

[echo karma]

There are certain things you learn over time. Blue gary vs red. General squad tactics. Basic stuff but some mechanics can give you am advantage over a completely new player.

[real parrot]

I literally meant that playing this was not a smart thing to do, not that the players themselves are stupid (many are) or that the game requires no intelligence

[echo karma]

I personally think SL level should be more strict. Lvl 50 minimum.

[real parrot]

We have 10 in our comm servers

80 for Tank commander, recon and commander

[echo karma]

Tc is alot easier vs sl tho. Mostly positioning.

A bad sl can lose you the game. A bad tc?

[real parrot]

Our eyes are indeed wavelength receivers, it's our brain that interprets these signs as you mentioned.

[echo karma]

Ben I know your at work rn but what's the plans man?

4 months for a map ain't it bruh

[real parrot]

TC requires a lot more experience, SL can be replaced by another SL easier, losing a heavy tank or not having competent tankers will cripple your game, depending on the map also doom your game .

[wind shore]

i know, but my point is that thats not all we are, we arent mechanical recievers, but its that we all interpret those wavelengths as the same colour

[echo karma]

I disagree. Now having a good tc will make it more better. If you have a sl that doesn't know how to build garrisons. You might lose the game ez.

[real parrot]

If someone doesn't put a garrison, others can, but not having a competent tank is hell against good enemy tankers, and if your tankers waste fuel to stuck the heavy into a tree, your basically done for.

[wind shore]

thinking about it what a brilliant argument for solipsism tho

[echo karma]

1 satchel can delete a tank. You can win without armour. It's harder but doable. You can't win without garrisons and competent SLs

[real parrot]

Color interpretation is both cultural and natural, and varies with each person, it's more akin to language, as we make common interpretations for them.

[pine breach]

Jokes on you. I use mines and no satchels.

[real parrot]

1 satchel can destroy a tank yes, but being in an open field against a tank or defending an enemy push that has armor protection, it's real suffering.
Having a low level SL is not a losing sentence, as other SL can do their part, it takes 5 minutes for a competent squad to put 3 defensive garrisons.

[violet arch]

I can't believe there making swaley type beats

[real parrot]

Guat

[violet arch]

My name is swaley nice to meet you @real parrot

[real parrot]

I like bread

[sand moat]

Is the game still organised, with engineers and supplies etc? Do I have to find like "50lvl+" servers for that bc recently players do it like it's Battlefield 5

[violet arch]

Engineers are bad medic is better @sand moat

[real parrot]

Yesterday I played a game as SL and put 13 garrisons, we had 3 nodes sets and constant comms. The enemy was good and the game was hard, yet we won.
It was fun.

[violet arch]

Wys @real parrot

[real parrot]

Sowry I don't hablo ingles

[violet arch]

?

Do you play on pc ?

[real parrot]

Yes

[sand moat]

Todo bien xd
Do you remember server name?

[violet arch]

No way your a tank commander

[real parrot]

Yes, but Comunidad hispana

[real parrot]

I am, usually

[novel geyser]

You're*

[violet arch]

Wys @novel geyser

[real parrot]

🚜

[sand moat]

Ah, dam, I need English-speaking servers

[novel geyser]

No hablo Englis por favor

[real parrot]

Sorry I just play on Spanish servers

[chrome furnace]

What region are playing from?

[sand moat]

Eu

[chrome furnace]

EXD, Circle, Soul. that's like 15 severs combined

[real parrot]

I've heard circle servers are good

[chrome furnace]

PBS

[novel geyser]

Most eu servers are English speaking
Just have to find a squad that actually speaks

I've stuck with the circle servers for a while now

[real parrot]

That's the hard part

[chrome furnace]

ROTN if you like a challenge

[sand moat]

Thank you guys 🙂

[chrome furnace]

Np🫡

[oak current]

or if you like fake glue-on Moustaches

[chrome furnace]

At least they know how to seed

[violet arch]

Hello

Any tips for anew sniper

[whole marten]

don't play sniper

[wind shore]

See you on live today

In QA guys

[pine ember]

Wanst the Q&A yesterday?

[wind shore]

Nope

today at your local time

[pine ember]

Cant be

[wind shore]

it could be 21 00 for you

[wind shore]

#telegrams message

[pine ember]

How would you know?

[wind shore]

Cause i know the timezone of Germany

[pine ember]

I received a telegram yesterday that said in 5 hours at 15:00, meaning 20:00 yesterday

[pine ember]

No, it would be 20:00

[wind shore]

so, i'm not good at maths ><

[wind shore]

ok

[pine ember]

No problem

But thats kinda weird since it was supposed to be yesterday

[wind shore]

no, it's on Friday

last QA was also last Friday

[pine ember]

Ah, I drank too much and though we already have saturday

[worthy charm]

On a Thuesday? Man, youre crazy

[pine ember]

Happens, almost Friday

[arctic rampart]

No. SL is harder.

• You can win games with crappy TC's, you can't win games with crappy SL's.

[real parrot]

I've won games with 4 crappy SL's and 2 good ones, yet if 1 TC is bad, your fuel is fck.
And about the difficulty, I'm sure many would be astounded by the amount of specific knowledge you need to have in order be a competent TC.

[arctic rampart]

I know the knowledge, I'd say I'm pretty decent at it.

And 1 bad TC ain't gonna send your resources down hill, you can simply give them an infinite supply of recon tanks which will be way more advantageous if looking at a resource to effectiveness ratio. Whilst still at the same time supplying 1 or possibly even 2 squads with heavy tanks

This all goes under the assumption commands not a bozo and doesn't spam reinforces and airheads the second they're off cooldown

[real parrot]

Pretty high assumption tbh

I've been tanking for quite some time and I'm confident to say that a decent tank squad will outright farm a mediocre one, just because of the TC, while a bad SL is not necessarily a losed game

[long relic]

Is it just me or should antitank rocket launcher such as bazooka or piat be more powerful

[arctic rampart]

just you

[long relic]

tell me why then

also sometimes i feel like i should at least get points for getting an assist tank kill

[real parrot]

PIAT is extremelly OP

[arctic rampart]

The drop's piss easy to learn, it only takes 1 or 2 rockets (so 1 soldier) to kill the majority of the games vehicles.
It takes only a few seconds to do so, and besides AT, there's already 2 other people in the squad which, when played efficiently, have AT capabilities

Fausts rocket drop is ez, PIAT's reload is insanely fast

Also you can snipe garries, which is out of this world strong, especially when you know the locations like the back of your hand

[long relic]

ok then ill jus spend time to really learn the drops
why cant we jus add zeroing to the game

[arctic rampart]

Because it's pointless.
I don't even know a game where I use it. Not in Arma, not in Tarkov.

[real parrot]

We don't have bypod with the BAR let alone zeroing weapons

[arctic rampart]

Also the drop is very minimal and only appears at really long ranges

[long relic]

i use it in arma a lot but havent gotten to the point where i find a scope yet in tarkov

[real parrot]

Everyone uses zeroing in games when precision matters at long ranges

[arctic rampart]

Unless it's like Arma 3 at 600+ meters, then no. Never have had the need for it

[real parrot]

I tried to aim in War thunder with realistic sights without zeroing the scope, not recommended.

Also when PÎAT nerf

[arctic rampart]

In war thunder most of the time you can get away with just playing a bit more to know the drop of the guns.
I guess you can say at high tier you need to zero guns, but the laser range finder makes it a legit meme. Just press it and instantly shoot after

[real parrot]

Actually it takes more time for the LR to aim than it would IRL

[wind shore]

Wish we had a tank commander radio channel 😩

[real parrot]

I call it discord

[wind shore]

Really can’t on Xbox

[real parrot]

Skill issue

[wind shore]

It would be tideous switching in between the ui

Why go the extra mile and instead support my suggestion so the devs see it

[arctic rampart]

SL's need to have the following knowledge to exceed:

• Know all viable garrison spots for both offense and defense of any given point
• Understand each roles most effective playstyle to place them into positions where they can deliver on it and guiding them through the process if need be, examples on various skill levels might be the following: guiding a engie on how to make nodes (super easy), guiding a support on where to drop supplies behind enemy lines for a good silent garry, calling out enemy movements whilst providing a good suggestion for a MG's placement to overlook said movement, providing a good spawn near/next to a tank for optimal AT/Assault/Engie performance etc.
• Understand the map layout for optimal approach to an enemy objective or to flank it or to even retreat
• Keep mental track of enemy supply drop locations
• Keep mental track of supply trucks that have been called out / marked out
• Calculate and accordingly inform people of the probability of enemies making a garrison in a set location based off the previous two points or based off spotted 1 or more enemies in a certain direction
• Bring info up the chain (as in usual garry, soldier, tank call outs), but in a meaningful way. So example: "Tiger, Able mark, G6, facing North East, Gun - west"
• Bring info down the chain. Examples: Friendly artillery markers from arty squads, other squad tank call outs for your own AT to deal with, supply requests from other squads (for example see where another SL is, where your support is and then communicating inbetween the both for them to link up and make a garry), and many more I can't name rn
• Understand how commander is played, thus understanding as well when to ask for supplies, bombing runs or anything else. Good example: Asking for a jeep for flanking when you can take a supply truck for 20 more fuel, but make 2 garries in the process. Or asking for a supply drop in a location where, for sure, there is an enemy garry, thus it'll get destroyed.

That's probably not all of it, I could think of more, but it's hard to word it... Especially after I haven't played properly for around 2 weeks, but the idea I'm trying to get across if that, to exceed on a high level, you need to know how every other role and squad needs to play (so commander, tank squads and recon squads) and then fuse it all together, whilst also keeping up good coms in every direction and diagonally AND then play just a overall good soldier getting a good amount of kills.

[real parrot]

Well, now think that a TC needs to know everything of this and also about the tank part itsef, don't forget than TC is also a SL.

[arctic rampart]

In a tank, it's nowhere near the difficulty. Whilst ofc you're gonna need map knowledge for positioning, you kind of don't give a sheet what Dog infantry is doing on the east, or what Charlie recon's doing on the NW of the enemy's cap. You're there to only kill other tanks and some infantry along the way.

Yeah, but whilst heavy tanking, 9/10 times you don't give a single crap about a supply drop landing behind us, or if the command does or doesn't do a reinforce

[real parrot]

A TC that doesn't know this, is not a good TC

[arctic rampart]

You also don't keep track of enemy supply trucks ever, since for you to reposition into an advantegous position to eliminate the supply truck or whatever it makes, will be significantly less efficient then staying in your current position and just keep shooting

[real parrot]

As for example, a TC that doesn't know that if you hit a medium with a medium in the turret you'll still need 2 following shoots to kill it whilst if they shoot you in the FP they'll take you down in 2 shoots.
Knowledge that a SL doesn't need to know.

[arctic rampart]

Also, the only 2 pieces of info you need to bring down the chain are the enemy vehicle locations, which (should) be provided by others most of time and the enemy infantries location.
Whether or not squads work together inbetween, or what your individual roles in your squad do, isn't that big of a deal. The drivers skill floor and ceiling start and end at the point when he learns to swap gears and which obstacles he can or cannot go through

[real parrot]

The actual comm with the tank has to be much more precise than when passing down info with SL

I'm writing while driving a PZ IV bte

[arctic rampart]

Also, that information whilst being completely unique to tanking, is also stagnant. You learn it once and then it kind of ends there, nothing changes.
Where as anything from OP's to garries as well as the squads that make up those two things change dynamically each game.

So as where one game you can attack AA network on SMDM from the south West (that little house area that just goes over the sector), next game, they might protect it like some mfers and never let you in on the west side of the map at all, making East locations the only viable ones.

[midnight nacelle]

Livestream! - <t:1743177600:R>
<t:1743177600:F>

#telegrams message

[arctic rampart]

Depends which info as an SL.
If you're calling out the locations of friendly arty, yeah sure, pop a marker and just do a "friendly arty on observe, don't go there".

But if you're trying to get your support to locate X squad lead and make a garry in Y position, then it's a different comparison.

[arctic rampart]

#hll-memes message

[arctic rampart]

Or if you're trying to get M squads engineer to bring a supply truck from his position over to your position, so you can go then pick up your own support and go make let's say 2 garries (1 with truck box, 1 with your supports box)

[real parrot]

I'll reply after destroying the enemy M4

[arctic rampart]

Okay bby

[real parrot]

Ok done

As I was saying

You actually need a lot more coordination between your squad with a tank, while SL has more people, TC needs more quality in terms of comms.
You need to explain both to your gunner and your driver the enemy position, what tank is, where is facing and how you'll attack it

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, but that's not hard

[real parrot]

With SL it is more like " we'll go there and clean this place" and "I want supplies in this mark"

[arctic rampart]

The most difficult thing you might need to explain are actions in a sequential order, that's it

[real parrot]

Wait I have the enemy garry in front

Ok I died

[arctic rampart]

The amount of information you need to keep track of as a TC is significantly less than that of a infantry SL.

If you're fighting over 3rd cap, but friendly recon dismantles a garry NW of enemy 2nd cap, you as TC don't care 1 bit.
As for a SL that's gold info that needs to be kept track of

[real parrot]

As a TC you don't only track info, but also predict it, tactical knowledge is far more important

[arctic rampart]

Yea, you can predict enemy tank positions at the start of the game, just like we do it as well. Aka place an AT in the spot where a recon tanks probably gonna come by.

[echo karma]

He's been baiting for hours. Tc is easy af bro. Chill

Shoot tank. Tank dead. Position. So ez

[real parrot]

I think you view tanks only as a matter of whether destroying the enemy tank or not. But TC also needs to know where the enemy garrisons and OPs are, and where the enemy is pushing in order to know where you can be safely.

[echo karma]

Use brain. Side pen? Ez. Front pen. No ez.

Shoot op. Op down. Shoot Gary. Gary dead. Tank ez. Hide in tank cuz you scary

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, but 9/10 times that info gets provided by who?

Cause your phat chonky bum can't check anything

[real parrot]

By the TC commander itself with it's pretty eyes

[echo karma]

Sl is definitely harder than tc. By a mile. And hence why it should be locked behind minimum lvl 50. Or 60.

[arctic rampart]

Heavy tanks only help killing garries which are inaccessible by infantry themselves or cannot be rocketed easily (or because the squads AT sucks 😄 )

The only opposite exception is recon tank solo/duo, who, knowing garry spots, can pre-emptively take them down or via surprise, thus being efficient in that area.

[real parrot]

Man you must have seen really bad TC

[arctic rampart]

Don't get me wrong tho, giving precise and sequential action orders as a TC based off the avilable information and probability, isn't easy.

[echo karma]

I don't think anyone cares Jericho. You wanna see a real man's live stream watch that poe2 one yesterday

The worst SL is still better than a bad tc. What you gotta do? Mark stuff on the map? Wahhh.

[arctic rampart]

Ehh, I don't know about that statement

If I have to pick a mediocre or bad TC to take his little friends tanking, then I rather have them take all the mediums and lights that server spawns then have them sit in spawn unused
rather then having a bad SL that just screws up 5 other people

[echo karma]

A couple bad sl will ruin your game. A couple bad tc, who cares.

You can win games without tanks. There is no argument.

[real parrot]

You can win games without tanks yes, but you can also win games with bad SLs

[turbid nymph]

As a TC, I don't have crew members drive anymore. I do the driving since I monitor command comms and the map and know where to go and how best to position the tank given the current battlefield state and enemy armor lines of sight. I always have the other 2 crewmen gun/spot so they can communicate clearly during targeting and engagements.

[arctic rampart]

His (Muphs) point in a not-stupidly written way is saying that 1 SL being dogwater (in a team where all squads have 6 members and we're not talking about 1 arty SL) is more of a detrament to the team then 1 TC being dogwater

[real parrot]

The 5 soldiers on the squad can change, but you won't get the tanks lost back

[echo karma]

He just d riding tc for some reason. Must really want his heavy tank huh. You build nodes?

[arctic rampart]

Yup, same for me.
Driving's easier cause then I just skip the whole comm line from commander -> Driver.

Cause the only cases where I need a guy sitting in my commander seat of the tank is to either A: Check for satchels B: Check for tanks that 8/10 times have already been marked.

[arctic rampart]

Didn't quite understand your point with this one.

[real parrot]

I can't explain, driving pamthet

Planter*

Panther

[echo karma]

I find it odd tc has binoculars and they never use em. I prefer to play outside my tank if we have a good position and decent crew.

[turbid nymph]

The comm line and instruction to the driver is a major inefficiency from what I've observed. I totally agree. Plus, while driving you can stare at the map and focus on communicating with command, and it frees up the spotter to focus solely on looking intently via the optics. Kinda like texting while driving

[arctic rampart]

Yup. And chances are unless you're playing a urban map or one of the points you need to actively fight over is urban (for example Hospice) you most likely don't even need the 3rd guy in the tank

[real parrot]

Ok I meant that the 5 guys on the squad don't need to stick with the SL, but the tanks lost are not coming back

[real parrot]

Now this is just plain wrong

[arctic rampart]

It's not though. Unless you're sitting in a field for way too long, ain't nobody gonna satchel you. So the spotter's only there for what? Looking forwards?

If you're in a crappy spot and your flanks are exposed, then no amount of spotting will fix that

[echo karma]

See that mine over there. Run over it plz

[cosmic pilot]

Tank crew can't leave markers from the spotter position

[real parrot]

Your losing your tank 90% times faster with 2 crew than a 3 man crew

[cosmic pilot]

Tank commander can which is why it's preferable he gets the spotter

[arctic rampart]

That's one of the reasons SL is harder.
A good SL can split up his squad and give minor orders to each one of his members to do a specific task which might not have anything to do with one another, such as:

• Support go drop supplies on that mark
• AT go deal with the tank over there
• Engie, build nodes, but then drop supplies here and here, then drive the truck back to this HQ
• Everyone else on me to do X

If you lose a tank, okay so what? Spawn another and go again. Just like soldiers die and come again.

[cosmic pilot]

For me, it would be nice if mission based leadership was codified in the game and rewarded

[echo karma]

And cheeky op too.

[arctic rampart]

Yes, but at the same time, if you see anything as a driver you can kind of mark it decently accurate from just seeing it from the driver spot and aligning it on the map

[real parrot]

That needs the same effort as to tell the driver where to go and the gunner where to aim

It does

[arctic rampart]

I worded that wrong

[echo karma]

The worst SL is a better tc

[arctic rampart]

Giving each soldier their own thing to do and then keeping track of everything is nowhere close as easy as giving the sequential orders

[echo karma]

And mind you the blueberries don't listen or don't understand there role

[real parrot]

You don't just give orders, but also need to keep track perfectly both of your tank and the game itself

[arctic rampart]

Your most difficult sequential order as TC can be something like:

• Drive 10 meters towards, keeping the hull at an angle towards X place.
• Gun, right 20 degrees, keep looking towards observe marker (assuming you mark tanks with observe which you should)
• Shoot once, then driver instantly back up

Assuming you don't drive yourself which would be way easier, skipping first and last part, just telling the gunner to keep looking at observe

[arctic rampart]

But you don't. Again, all the info TC needs, SL needs as well, but not all the info SL needs, a TC needs.

[echo karma]

Tc needs basic armour info and that's about it. Maybe look at the map a bit.

[real parrot]

It's the other way around, a good TC needs to know everything a SL does and more

[arctic rampart]

Best example I can outline was the one with recon squads earlier.
If recon takes down a garry on the west side of a objective that's still locked, you as TC don't care one bit.
For SL that means that rushing next objective from the west side is viable due to lack of enemy spawns there.

[echo karma]

No

[real parrot]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

Deffo no

[real parrot]

Yes

[echo karma]

A good tc just needs to know armour values. Some map knowledge and thats its.

[midnight nacelle]

Your skill needs to scale with and outmatch your opposition.

Just about all elements in this game are predictable enough with time.

[real parrot]

That's a mediocre TC

[echo karma]

A small inconvenience compared to a good SL. The ceiling is far higher

Also look up sometimes. Might see an airhead landing behind you

[arctic rampart]

• You don't keep track of supply drops
• You don't keep track of enemy light vehicles moving UNLESS you are nearby and it's favourable for you to do something about it
• You don't keep track of enemy garries being destroyed beyond the active cap point, because rarely you will extend past friendly lines anyway.
• You don't keep track of the majority of enemy commander call-ins, the only two exceptions would be precision and maybe airhead if you're competent

[real parrot]

You don't do it, I do it

[arctic rampart]

No you don't, no TC does, because the info's of little to no value to you

[real parrot]

It does

[arctic rampart]

You don't care nor' should you that enemy is calling in a bombing, since, chances are, it won't impact your tank one bit

[echo karma]

Albeit it should. Can 1 shot supplies etc

[olive ivy]

Hello

[arctic rampart]

As a tank crew, you don't care. Only excpetion is if your in a recon tank sitting in the middle of def cap for whatever reason

[real parrot]

If the enemy launches a bombing run, chances are the allies are losing the pressure and we need to retreat, so yes, I keep track of them, also PS

[olive ivy]

Bro to this day I’ve never had good infantry support as a tank commander

[arctic rampart]

Retreat from where? 1 square away from def cap backwards in a completely open field w/o infantry in sight?

[olive ivy]

It always seems like we do all the work for them and then they don’t gaf if we get satcheled

[arctic rampart]

because dismantling satchels within time is rarely possible given the open locations tanks are usually situated in

[echo karma]

You get satchels that's on you bro. Bad positioning

[olive ivy]

Then maybe they should do their job and kill the guy

[arctic rampart]

Not quite

[olive ivy]

This is a dumb take

[real parrot]

I think we are experiencing a cultural shock from the servers we play in

[arctic rampart]

That's completely dependant on the location you're in

[olive ivy]

We always push up with infantry

No reason they can’t turn around and pop the guy 2-3 times

[echo karma]

It's based but true ish. You no where around infy support what you expect? Look behind yourself.

[arctic rampart]

Exactly, so if you're sitting inbetween two hedge rows and 8 smoke nades and then throw me a pikachu surprised face that you got satcheled, that's on you

[olive ivy]

Ok next time we’ll take our guns off the enemies pushing you to take one Guy because you can’t kill one dude

[worthy charm]

Its not very nice indeed, but true most of the times.

[echo karma]

Lmao or you just sit there and the whole enemy team knows your there.

[arctic rampart]

Tanks that move around, stay around.

[olive ivy]

Yes we move around, but not being with infantry is even more deadly

[echo karma]

You got steel between ya. Quit hiding in that tank

[olive ivy]

Easy target

[olive ivy]

This guy is actually dense

[arctic rampart]

Depends on map and location. Lots of context is requried to pass this statement as true, thus - no.

[echo karma]

You name call everyone you disagree with?

[worthy charm]

Lets stay nice😉

[olive ivy]

No just you, you are dropping dumb take after dumb take

[worthy charm]

writing one of the mods

[echo karma]

Lol my takes are valid af

[arctic rampart]

Guys 'yall are off topic

Topic's over here ----------------------------------------Y'all are over here

[olive ivy]

Do you’d rather have us not focus on the advancing enemies because you can’t shoot one dude? Classic infantry

[echo karma]

True tho. I'm tryna see them Ben cheeks up in here. I want ya. I need ya.

[mighty moon]

I just joined the discord

[silk igloo]

infantry often do act like blockheads and respawn away from the tanks, and then neither has support

[olive ivy]

Thank you

[echo karma]

Maybe shoot everything. And tanks. And garrisons. And listen to blue chat

[olive ivy]

We can’t look everywhere at once

[arctic rampart]

The OT is the idea that Tank Commanding is harder then Squad Leading, which I disputed with many examples of that just not being the case.

[echo karma]

Bet he thinks commander is ez af too

[olive ivy]

I wasn’t in that conversation

But nice assumption

[silk igloo]

infantry should look at their tanks like damsels in distress that evil villains try to molest

[echo karma]

Wait no commander no heavy tank. He like commander

[arctic rampart]

Commander, at an optimal level, is easier than SL and Spotter

[turbid nymph]

Tank commander can observe red ping on map from spotter and just drop a marker correspondingly

[worthy charm]

Its really is, Its obvious because I can play tank commander without it being a huge sh*tshow.

[echo karma]

Depends if you got good SL. Of not then it's harder.

[olive ivy]

This is the type of dude to not protect tanks when needed then complain when they get blown up

Actual blockhead

[echo karma]

Hold w into a mine. Protect tanks? You drive away from infy what you expect to happen?

[olive ivy]

I LEGIT I SAID WE PUSH WITH INFANTRY

can you not read brother

[cosmic pilot]

While driving

[echo karma]

Clearly you don't if your complaining about getting satcheled

[cosmic pilot]

If I'm two manning a tank as TC I prefer driving

[olive ivy]

You are actually dumb

[cosmic pilot]

But in a 3 man tyr best position is spotter

[olive ivy]

You evidently have 0 experience as a tank crew member

[cosmic pilot]

Man be spitting straight facts

[echo karma]

Can you not read what you said?

[olive ivy]

I can, it’s you I’m worried about

[echo karma]

So whose crying about I got satcheled?

[worthy charm]

Its up to taste, with 2 new player and me in a Squad, I would rather drive. Its easier for new players to point at stuff than to drive.

[echo karma]

Cuz you drive away from infy lol

[worthy charm]

With a good squad I prefer the classic loadout.

[echo karma]

Nah tanking with noobs is actually cancer tho. F that.

[olive ivy]

Brothers never heard of the advanced military tactic know as flanking

[echo karma]

Can take a noob in SL and it ain't that bad. Noob crew is so bad

[worthy charm]

With a heavy you most of the time dont need to flank.

[arctic rampart]

Other way around Muph

[olive ivy]

I’m talking about dudes with satchels

[echo karma]

Ah blitzkrieg into a satchel eh?

[olive ivy]

They can easily sneak up behind us

And because infantry is clearly high to the point where they can’t see anything they let them do it

[echo karma]

If you get snuck up on you suck bro. You know the turret rotates right? And the binoculars

[olive ivy]

Sure in 30 seconds when we’ll Already be dead

[worthy charm]

I would agree but I got enough playtime to know even that isnt true all the time. Drivers being afk on their Phone happens way more that it should.

[olive ivy]

My main gripe is that for some reason infantry can’t pop a guy 2-3 times then go back to what they were doing

[echo karma]

Tc never opens map. Where is heavy tank at? I hear tc in leadership giving me instructions. Red chat bro

[olive ivy]

But then have the audacity to complain when we get destroyed via satchel, maybe use your gun 🤷🏼‍♂️

[worthy charm]

Soo true, peoole are so blind or seem to ignore the one guy with a satchel.😅

[olive ivy]

I mean if they want armor support maybe keep an eye out, or maybe just go behind the tank directly

[turbid nymph]

Only enemy commander ability you need to worry about and passively listen for is a p-strike, just to make sure it's not for you

[echo karma]

If I'm close enough to friendly tank in blue chat ain't no body gon satchel ya.

[olive ivy]

💀

[echo karma]

Supplies and air head.

[worthy charm]

Therefore the Stuart is the best tank.
It kills heavys in 3 shoots from behind, is fast and has a hell mg.
For real a skilled crew killes anything in one of those.

[echo karma]

Blue chat line what 15m?

[worthy charm]

But still #BuffTheLuchs

[forest stirrup]

Morning

[olive ivy]

Hell no

[worthy charm]

That tank is underpowered af

[olive ivy]

I hate that thing

[echo karma]

And 50 he bruh. Carl Gustav

[arctic rampart]

So anyways, SL is harder then TC.
I gtg for a bit now, so forward any arguments to me in dm's and we can discuss them later 🥶

[olive ivy]

Atp it’s a glorified IFV

APC even

[worthy charm]

Its need apcr rounds frfr. Its just a joke of a tank.

Looking forward to their Tank rework

[slate panther]

Theres not really much of a use case to buy lights in general outside of solo tanking

[olive ivy]

Add the Panzer VIII

For an April fools day or smth

[empty steppe]

Replace it 😭😭😭

[slate panther]

Add the panzerhund

[olive ivy]

They need to add more tanks in general

[echo karma]

Ben yall gon eat that akward silence in the Q&A or put some background music on or something. I could here them British crickets up there.

[slate panther]

[echo karma]

Or game play.

[olive ivy]

More small vehicles too

[slate panther]

Lemur do you know what a panzerhund is?

[olive ivy]

Like a jeep with a M2 on it

[slate panther]

Its the robot dog from wolfenstein lmao

[past veldt]

We shouldn't have more vehicles until they increase the vehicle limit

But to do that they'd need to optimise and improve server performance

[olive ivy]

I didn’t even mention it

I just said they need to add more tanks in general

And vehicles

[worthy charm]

You havent seen the images of the Ratte?😅 😂

[olive ivy]

I have

[slate panther]

They can't really increase the number of tanks in a match regardless of optimization

[olive ivy]

But that would be pushing it

[past veldt]

Why?

[silk igloo]

i just got another idea, beside letting the commander despawn default vehicles to increase the amount of what he can spawn, why not let players capture and despawn enemy vehicles so that they will miss 1 slot and you get 1 extra

[slate panther]

Because there are only so many people actually playing in tank crews. Its rare to see people max out tanks squads already

[olive ivy]

At least with the Maus 2 drivable prototypes were made

[past veldt]

Presumably capturing and despawning vehicles would include heading to the enemy HQ and grabbing them from there. We don't really need another aspect of the game which involves just hanging out defending your own HQ

[past veldt]

The tank squad limit is 6. That's different to vehicle limit

In competitive games, it's incredibly common to have four heavy tanks spawned. Now you can only spawn one additional vehicle. The most limiting factor to vehicles for me is that I can only spawn 5. So I can't have a half track + jeep, because I must have four heavies spawned.

In pub games I so often hear people asking for two STs to spawn, then you might have two tanks spawned, then a recon team might want a jeep

That's it. You're done. No more vehicle spawns until one is destroyed

So adding another type of vehicle? Sorry can't use it, already using my allotted five spawns for the stuff already existing in the game

[slate panther]

I always assumed the limit was 6 because "surely there would not be more squads than tanks" but somehow I'm not suprised.

But yeah it makes sense that would be more of an issue in organized matches

[silk igloo]

It's also an issue in pubs when the limit is never communicated to anyone, and the commander spawns 4 supply trucks because people keep asking them and getting them stuck

[past veldt]

Yes, absolutely

Because it's a hidden mechanic 80% of players just won't know it exists

The commander UI could do with a revamp anyway, but spawned vehicle limits being visible would be so nice to have

So honestly I have almost zero interest in new vehicle types being added until they increase that limit.

They've added jeeps and halftracks already without a limit increase

[slate panther]

I do think tank destroyers are still very much needed

They wouldn't take an extra vehicle slot and the economy desperately needs some catch up mechanic or a way to bleed the enemy for spamming heavies

[grizzled kiln]

With current meta a TD will just get one-tapped by a heavy

So pretty useless until the whole armor system is reworked. But let's see if that actually happens first

[slate panther]

But would also one tap a heavy in return, for a much cheaper price.

[grizzled kiln]

No, it would have heavy gun so needs two shots.

But a TD has medium / light armor, so only takes one shot from a heavy to take it out.

[slate panther]

Yeah hold on I'm just tripping

[grizzled kiln]

Also, the advantage of a TD is the speed, and with the current handling it wouldn't work.

You'd get stuck on all kinds of sh*t and then get one tapped 😄

[slate panther]

Realizing now that this is probably the sole reason there isn't a stug

[grizzled kiln]

yup

Stug would have to be fast and agile, since you need to turn the whole tank to aim. Wouldn't work in the current system.

Try S44 if you want a better experience, it does have it's faults as well tho

[slate panther]

I dont like tanking in PS

Mostly because I do not like having to memorize an entire encyclopedia of tank interiors

[grizzled kiln]

well, it's more realistic than HLL 😄

HLL is just class based. Did it pen or not ? one or two taps depending on class. Kinda boring

[slate panther]

It is, but I still gotta memorize that encyclopedia regardless. I'm not doing that for my funny British rp game

[silk igloo]

you could have multiple TD classes though. from cheaper m10 and stug all the way to M36 and jagdpanther.

[grizzled kiln]

Armor only in S44 is nice. Rarely populated tho

[cosmic pilot]

Or comp could change the rules and limit heavies

[slate panther]

What does that solve exactly?

[cosmic pilot]

Spawning four heavies on the field and excluding other vehicles from the game

[slate panther]

So then they'd just spawn 1 heavy and 3 mediums then be in the same position

[cosmic pilot]

You can make your own rules to make things interesting within what's enforceable

[cosmic pilot]

To me that's better than all heavies

[grizzled kiln]

Some comp already ban the Panther. Just ban heavies altogether, but then it would just be mediums so kinda the same problem

all comes back to the basics being broken.

Something in between the very complex S44 system and the current HLL system is the sweetspot I think

[slate panther]

I think the best implementation of this (as is usual for this game) is red orchestra 2.
That game has similarly complex hitboxes and interiors, but because it is only set in stalingrad the total number of tanks is limited. I dont need to burn the war thunder wiki into my brain because I just need to know the weak spot of a panzer 3 and a t34

[grizzled kiln]

Have heard a lot of good things about RO 2., never got to play it

[past veldt]

I don't really see why this is required.

If a team wants to limit their own heavies in favour of other spawned vehicles they can do that already. Not every team runs as many heavies at once as others

[slate panther]

It is the gold standard for making a realistic shooter fun

[past veldt]

But, if they work on optimisation and allow more spawns then teams have even more strategic options

[grizzled kiln]

Needed, but let's see if it happens.

[cosmic pilot]

Valid but a big if

[grizzled kiln]

very big 😄

[past veldt]

To do this, we'd need to have changes to AT, because the US medium getting front penned by Axis would be so strong

[past veldt]

Right, big if. Yet adding more vehicles types to this game right now is incredibly pointless unless they work on increasing spawn limits

[grizzled kiln]

True, yet another thing broken in this game 😄

[slate panther]

PS's tank deck system is an extremely intuitive way to balance them out by simply making them a limited resource

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah I like it

You get all the tanks, and you risk running out..Tough luck..

[slate panther]

The only real issue is that its difficult to gague how many tanks the enemy team has left, but HLL could solve this by having the tank decks be more standard across factions

[silk igloo]

What if recon could see enemy resource amount from their nodes

[pine breach]

No please.. people will just drive into HQs with a light tank and blow everything up..

[slate panther]

That's not how the tank deck system works

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah 😄 they are not spawned in lol

[slate panther]

Its a menu you access when spawning a tank, it's not just a bunch of tanks sitting in spawn

[cosmic pilot]

It's not broken

[silk igloo]

bazookas should pen mediums and panthers from the side.

[thin lotus]

bazooka should oneshot any tank hit from anywhere

super hardcore

[silk igloo]

grchumpy

[thin lotus]

:^)

[grizzled kiln]

Panzerschreck has effective range of 150m according to wiki. Last I tested you can shoot about 750m in HLL

Don't quote me on that,but something in that range.

[cyan saddle]

But just because you can, does that make it its effective range?

[wind shore]

I shot the tanks from 950 metres from Panzershrecks

[grizzled kiln]

It means that at 700+ it shouldn't be able to pen anything 😄

[cyan saddle]

You can kill people with a Garand up to 500+ meters away (after which they will no longer render in but you can still hit them), but I wouldn't say its effective range is that far

[wind shore]

And hit them, also I know one guy, who destroyed the whole track with officers in comp, with panzershreck

[grizzled kiln]

Weapons are just like laser beams in this game lol

[thin lotus]

Pretty sure you cannot hit targets that are not rendered >500m away, not with bullets

[grizzled kiln]

tanks can, so why not with rifles or schreck ? never tried tho

I don't do inf, so just asking 😄

[thin lotus]

explosive projectiles work differently than "bullets"

[silk igloo]

I wonder if AT rifles can hit non-rendered players.

[cyan saddle]

I wonder if Chum is just gaslighting us all

[oak current]

Panzerschreck can still blow up Garrisions at 750m, as a side note.

[silk igloo]

Does comp ever use the munition node buff to create rocket artillery? I've always wanted to try that, constant supply of new rockets

[past veldt]

It goes to 950m or so

[oak current]

https://www.twitch.tv/dasaltberg/clip/BlitheFilthySrirachaCclamChamp-tcuswZapD4qDcuRf

[grizzled kiln]

950 ? ok . is the bazooka around 800 or so ?

[past veldt]

There has been some good rocket stuff mid game (2023 winter seasonal, TL Vs WTH) where they rocketed a trench from 750m with bazookas consistently

[grizzled kiln]

I remember we tested snipes some time ago.

[past veldt]

750 or so yeah

[grizzled kiln]

ok thought so

[oak current]

fun lil barrage - nothing grand, but visually pleasing

[thin lotus]

the state of comp 😬

[oak current]

clip from a year ago - I miss those rocket barrages

[silk igloo]

that's awesome. i wanted to do that before they reduced bazooka rockets to 2 from 4.

[oak current]

they looked so lovely

[past veldt]

We also landed two rockets on the US medium on opener with timings

[slate panther]

Iirc AT rounds are technically rockets

[past veldt]

That was a 950m snipe or something

[oak current]

was that on PHL?

[grizzled kiln]

low budget Katyusha strike.. love it

[past veldt]

Nah, like two weeks ago Vs ESPT

[oak current]

ah nevermind then

[past veldt]

Smithers casted it. I can't find the clip now

IR did it to us on SME as well using flares to mark the tank

[oak current]

lol

also, soon its time for the Q&A, gotta get obs ready for watch-along

[past veldt]

It'll be the new thing I think. Flare US medium and launch rockets at it

[slate panther]

Welcome to tobruk, we have sand
Any questions?

[oak current]

thnig is...PTE in february showed Tobruk - and while a lot of nice decor and stuff was added..people know the overall map 😄

[grizzled kiln]

Here's yet another map with low visibility, this time with sand

[slate panther]

Welcome to tobruk, we have sand

[oak current]

so I assume its gonna be more focused on stuff like "WHY is X here and Y there", level design stuff.... also whats coming to U17

[grizzled kiln]

No need to change LOD when you just have a wall at 3-400m out 😄

[slate panther]

I did really like the history breakdown for Mortain

[oak current]

but did you like Mortain

The grassy forest

[slate panther]

I was still tapped out of this game.
But I liked the breakdown I thought that was nice

[oak current]

I sill would have liked for Mortain to be in the center of the map, instead of st petite chapel de la waidewhad

I forgot its name

[silk igloo]

Can you build stuff inside mortain and elsenborn? I feel like any map newer than SME cant have mines etc built inside, and I still want to know why

[oak current]

inside elsenborn? wut

[silk igloo]

inside buildings i mean

[oak current]

...eeeh...dont know actually...since theres only a few buildings on elsenborn

[slate panther]

inside the ridge
dig

[silk igloo]

oh right, stalingrad can have AT guns inside buildings. it's so inconsistent

[oak current]

old soviet housing, able to carry AT guns clearly

[past veldt]

https://youtu.be/b0l872z16dM?si=X2cqc96kWWX1Dzdk

Watch at about 1:10 into the video

Rocket barrage for you

[silk igloo]

Anyway, I couldnt build stuff inside on Tobruk and it's annoying.

[oak current]

Anyways, I'll leave you for now peoples - gotta get ready to watch Q&A thingy
Byye

[slate panther]

I assume there is some clip that determines if something is build able and has been inconsistently applied.
Theres a similar thing in team fortress

[thin lotus]

probably has to do with not meshing within other assets to prevent spawning inside them and getting stuck

[analog apex]

that's just insane and shouldn't be possible actually

there should be even just a little sway for the Bazooka/Pzschreck to make such things to not to happen while not affecting the close standard range rocket engangements

[grizzled kiln]

wow 😄 LOL

[olive ivy]

how do i get roles next to my name

[analog apex]

what roles

you already have some

[olive ivy]

like you have

[analog apex]

that was a Kickstarter backer reward, not obtainable anymore

[olive ivy]

oh

[grizzled kiln]

Maybe send Ben some BTC and you can get them 😄 jk

[olive ivy]

the veteran role is a kickstarter backer thing only?

[analog apex]

at least the Veteran, Major, Colonel... those were KS related

[olive ivy]

what about the machine gunner role

or tank commander, how do i get those

[analog apex]

there you go #class-select message

[olive ivy]

thank you

[wind shore]

tobruk is a greaet map

compared to mortain and elsen its like day and night

i love it

[olive ivy]

thoughts on making a tank commander-commander radio frequency

[wind shore]

i think also the dynamic weather is actually cool, because it actually changes the dynamic of the terrain

you have to adapt to it

and it allows you to conquer open spaces which have historically been so tank dominated that infantry essentially doesnt matter

dynamic fog of war is a cool mechanic

[thin lotus]

it's fine but they need some other ways to shake things up

[wind shore]

i hope they add dynamic weather to legacy maps

[thin lotus]

the amount of fog/snow/sand changing is essentially all the same thing

[olive ivy]

Like a tank commander-commander radio frequency

[thin lotus]

just at different colors

[wind shore]

ye but thats okey

as long as you dont run into the issue night maps have, where shadow is so dark you are invisible

dynamic weather doesnt have that issue from what i can tell

[slate panther]

Any ideas?

[thin lotus]

for what

[olive ivy]

Hear me out, we need to change the afrika corps victory song

[slate panther]

Other ways to shake up the match that aren't some variant of a fog

[empty steppe]

I like this man’s thinking

[thin lotus]

you already know several ways, it's been discussed to death

[olive ivy]

Why isn’t it Unser Rommel

[empty steppe]

Idk bro 😭😂

[olive ivy]

😭

[slate panther]

Through dynamics weather events like that? Or do you just mean the usually spiel of gunplay reworks

[olive ivy]

The only argument I could see against it has lyrics that actually praise hitler in a way

But that’s kinda hard to avoid in a WW2 game

Unless you are Cod WW2

[slate panther]

Here's a hot take: every faction except Germany could use a better victory song.
Over There is fairly weak and the Russian/British ones seem chosen purely out of contrarianism

[olive ivy]

Or vanguard

[olive ivy]

The Russian one is amazing

Have you looked into the lyrics

[thin lotus]

gunplay, gameplay. None of which are happening anyway.
In terms of weather effects, it doesn't have as much an effect on gameplay as the devs are trying to impress. And they've been stretching this feature for way too long now

[olive ivy]

“Invincible and legendary, in battle who knew the joy of victory”

[slate panther]

Ah, I thought you were thinking of something more specific. My bad

[thin lotus]

Creatively bankrupt team. Change the color of the fog and call it new

[olive ivy]

NeW FeAtUrEs, woahhhh

[thin lotus]

This.
Changes.
Everything.

[wind shore]

Wowowow is Tobruk dropping today???

[echo karma]

@fluid pawn YouTube dual stream or upload when? Hate twitch

[olive ivy]

Most of the time it’s not even fog, it’s like great British smog

[olive ivy]

Levolution

Next is the realistic fish AI that move out of the way when you swim past them

[slate panther]

Noone knows what this song is and there are several, iconic, booming Russian choir songs that would fit much better

It should be this:
US: When Johnny Comes Marching Home
USSR: Sacred War
UK: Literally Anything Else

[olive ivy]

Over There is legit a WW1 and WW2 song

[wind shore]

Honestly it should be national anthems

That would rule

[slate panther]

It was just WW1 and WJCMH never stopped being a classic US war song

[olive ivy]

When Johnny Comes Marching Home is a civil war song

Change the us song to Praise The Lord and Pass The Ammunition

[wind shore]

Imagine coasting to victory and hearing the Star Spangled Banner afterward

[olive ivy]

Most American song ever

[wind shore]

Would feel very patriotic

[slate panther]

Hotter take: both the Star Spangled Banner and the Internationale are ear grating, bad songs

[olive ivy]

Or maybe Goodbye Mama I’m Off To Yokohama

[wind shore]

The American song should be Cottoneye Joe

[olive ivy]

Ok 💀

[slate panther]

The Europeans cannot handle that

[olive ivy]

Can’t handle all the freedom

[wind shore]

The Germans can have Rock Me Amadeus

[olive ivy]

And tbf the British victory song is the most British sounding song possible

[olive ivy]

Not really a war song

Most nations don’t use their anthems as war songs

[wind shore]

Counterpoint: America

Every song we have is a war song because we’re always in a war

[olive ivy]

Not always

[wind shore]

lol the country has factually been at war for 93% of its existence

[violet arch]

Hi lads

[wind shore]

hll was such a good game and now its full of bugs

and bad performance

[slate panther]

That's the problem tbh

[thin lotus]

this is gonna be a dry one

[gentle lintel]

Tobruk ain’t wet

[novel geyser]

I mean, its by the coast
so it kinda is technically

[cosmic pilot]

And the chat goes wild

[sleek elk]

They give any dates for tobruk yet?

[wind shore]

Have they announced a date for Tobruk dropping?

Is it today?

[novel geyser]

tobruk is dropping april we are gonna find out more specifics in the stream I believe unless they already announced. They showed off a trailer so far

[nova pivot]

Second of april

That was at the end of the trailer.

[ember pasture]

What have the devs said so far?

[nova pivot]

Nothing relevant

[novel geyser]

there u go then I missed that at the end

currently talking about garrisons

[olive ivy]

7/10 too much water

[humble perch]

Must be the water.

[novel geyser]

pacific would definitely not be dry

[empty steppe]

Okinawa 💀

[finite berry]

That's an Austrian song, tho

[wind shore]

Same thing idc

[novel geyser]

lol they're talking about how terrible the capture point system is in the map editor

[thin lotus]

devs are leading sam on again

lol

[finite berry]

:(

[thin lotus]

they are incapable of saying "no"

[slate panther]

Lmao

[wind shore]

Are you Austrian? I don’t want to make you angry. We all know what happened the last time an Austrian got pissed off

[olive ivy]

The flint and meal has dropped

[finite berry]

No, I'm the same according to you

[olive ivy]

God and sinners reconciled

[wind shore]

Ah so you’re a German who’s pissed off. That’s equally scary

[finite berry]

:)

[olive ivy]

Hopefully they didn’t get rejected from art school

[wind shore]

Can you draw?

[finite berry]

No :(

[wind shore]

Ok phew

[finite berry]

But I can write :D

[wind shore]

NOOOOOOO

[novel geyser]

austrian, not german

🤓 ☝️

[wind shore]

Erm ackshually

[olive ivy]

Erm

[novel geyser]

bruh

that was like, 3 questions

[thin lotus]

Dry

[novel geyser]

there was some nice things I think

considering its restricted to questions about the map

[thin lotus]

Sam is going to run with the "the grid system can change" forever now

[past veldt]

HEXAGONAL GRID SYSTEM CONFIRMED BY DEVS

2026: I CAN'T BELIEVE THE DEVS HAVE BACKTRACKED ON THIS IDEA

[quiet grail]

Ben B even said to save flamethrower questions for the Tobruk QA and they didn’t even acknowledge it

[thin lotus]

Cue "I'm leaving this game but not really" montage

[past veldt]

Bring out the cemetery video again

[thin lotus]

😬

[lucid tusk]

"Save flamethrower questions for the next Q&A" well that went nowhere

[novel geyser]

3 whole questions and like all were war correspondents

[quiet grail]

It’s probably because those two minor changes are the only ones they are doing despite touting it on the roadmap as a “feature upgrade”

[past veldt]

I thought it was a decent stream anyway. They clearly talked about what they wanted to. If we get these in addition to regular dev briefs, then we'd be in a decent spot Comms wise

[thin lotus]

Sam, please do not get high on the copium/hopium that they are going to change the map/grid layouts for every single map in this game.
This is absolutely not happening lol

[novel geyser]

I like getting some insight, the map looks good. Im glad they're actually thinking about how it will play

[thin lotus]

"We considered where people would place garries on the map"
BEST DEVS EVER???????????

[novel geyser]

so starved of dev transparency even the slightest things is enough

well I never said that

the bar is low

[past veldt]

Strongpoints being centralised is feedback I've literally given to the devs and it was shown to not really be considered by them on previous maps, so I'm just happy they've taken it onboard

[novel geyser]

and Im thinking more in the verticality and unique point designs rather than just being an open field with a single trench

[thin lotus]

That should have literally been the first consideration upon SP implementation

[echo karma]

It's already over? Lol GGG laughing. They had a 2 hr q&a yesterday

[past veldt]

Who are GGG?

[novel geyser]

Grim Gark the Gorilla

(pbuh)

[echo karma]

Grinding gear games. Path of exile. Indy dev company

[past veldt]

Cool

Proud of them

[echo karma]

Look what they can do in 4 months lol

[past veldt]

Just looked them up on Wikipedia

They're owned by Tencent

Might be the definition of 'not indie'

But anyway, it's good that some devs do a lot of CM work. Ben is already improving it here

[echo karma]

Essentially same thing t17 did to BM

[thin lotus]

isnt t17 the biggest uk publisher?
Not exactly "indie"

[echo karma]

They started in a garage with 3 dudes. Into what like 150 employees now.

[olive ivy]

Is it wrong to shoot infantry who refuse to move out of the way of the tank?

[echo karma]

Mind you like 12 yrs ago

[echo karma]

I run them over

[olive ivy]

I usually shoot them in the back with my hull mg

[slate panther]

Think this says more about the UK games industry than T17 if the largest publisher is the worms company

[quiet grail]

The hll devs said last QA they have only 35 people across the multiple teams working in the game

[echo karma]

Idk. Makes sense but idk bro. S44 has like 3. Did you see iwojima?

Also tobruk looks like a camping nightmare. Remagen 2.0

[olive ivy]

Also, why are the panther and tiger basically the same in game

The panther wasn’t a heavy and shouldn’t be used as one

[finite berry]

What. They have way more than that.

[past veldt]

More devs than players?

[olive ivy]

Major lapse in judgement from the team ngl

[echo karma]

It was a super heavy lol

[olive ivy]

No it wasn’t

[echo karma]

Very un reliable

[olive ivy]

The panther was a medium

It’s official classification was medium

[finite berry]

The Panther was very heavy for a medium tank, 45 tons, but still a medium tank.

[slate panther]

They have thirty five and this is the output?

[hardy oasis]

Did you play the PTE?

[olive ivy]

No I understand that, but I don’t like how it behaves as a heavy in game

It wasn’t like the tiger

[wintry thistle]

False

[echo karma]

No. I'm looking at footage rn.

[echo karma]

True. Look into history

[olive ivy]

The only issues were logistical

[echo karma]

More reliable than the Pershing tho

[olive ivy]

Due its weight

[wintry thistle]

Panther had operational rates into the %50

[olive ivy]

It’s weight was its issue

But it ran well and fine

[echo karma]

Motor. A bunch of auxiliary stuff. Tracks.

[olive ivy]

Unlike most Soviet tanks of the era

[echo karma]

The panzer4 tho. Now that was a tank

[olive ivy]

It was the most produced so they had more time to iron it out

[echo karma]

Yes I can't think bit the panther was late war?

[olive ivy]

January 1943

So mid/late war depending on how you look at it

[wintry thistle]

Panther was a pretty good tank against virtually anything it would face. Its armor and gun being superior, the lack of trained crews and late war allied air superiority was what caused bad losses at times

[echo karma]

It was mostly used vs Russia? To rival the is1

[wintry thistle]

There were many panthers on the west

[olive ivy]

It saw heavy usage against American forces

[wintry thistle]

It was to rival the T-34

[echo karma]

Thought it was 60 ton

[olive ivy]

That would be more in the heavy range

The Tiger 1 was 57 tonnes

[wintry thistle]

If you go by weight it’s a heavy. But weight doesn’t decide a class of tank. It’s doctrine and design idea does

If it was a heavy tank then they wouldn’t have been mass producing it to fit the role of a medium tank

[echo karma]

I'm trying to remember videos I watched last week but I thought it was developed to rival the Russian t34 and is1. Because yes they had the tiger but wasn't cutting it.

[wintry thistle]

It wasn’t a specialized tank like the Tiger or IS-2

[wintry thistle]

The Tiger was a breakthrough tank meant for offensive operations. The Panther was built to act as a supplement for the Panzer IV

[slate panther]

The ww2 nerds are arguing about the best tanks again...

War thunder and its consequences

[echo karma]

That is a chonky medium tank ngl

[novel geyser]

clearly it was the brunklewinklefarten IV if hilter made 10 billion more of them he would have won the war

[olive ivy]

War thunder mfs on their way to drop classified military documents in order to win a discord argument

[wintry thistle]

That’s what you get for 80mm of 55 degree sloped frontal armor that doesn’t destroy crew ergonomics

Same applies to the Sherman

[echo karma]

Funny that the 76mill had better pen than 88 tiger 1.

And it's classed as a medium despite being bigger than most other countries heavy tanks lol

[wintry thistle]

With APCR yes

If your referring to the American 76mm

But Tiger I with APCR has more

[echo karma]

Wiki says American 75 could never pen panther front.

[steady vine]

so much lack of content man

[echo nova]

i got ghost pinged by ben

[cyan saddle]

The man is exhausted

[wintry thistle]

At close range it could pen it's frontal turret, which had only 100mm of armor

[little knot]

@fluid pawn stop spamming us man

[midnight nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-propoganda-gif-21825886

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[echo karma]

Wiki says it could pen is2 at 600m but is2 could pen it at 1000m. And m26 was only thing to front pen the panther.

[little knot]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-well-point-taken-johnny-rose-johnny-eugene-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20290725

[fluid pawn]

Hope you all enjoyed the live stream! Do tune into @oak current this Sunday for the seasonal tourney finals!

Will catch you all next week!

[wintry thistle]

There's a big difference between the hull and turret on all those tanks. Roughly those vehicles are equal, for tank on tank the IS-2 suffers due to it's long reload time compared to the Panther

[slate canopy]

The trailer is hyping meeeee 👀 AND I am on vacation at release?!? Even better.

[dusty bolt]

Good morning chat

[past veldt]

Good morning to Glow from Glows

[analog apex]

at least have the decency to ping me if you are passively future-thrash-talking me 😏

and may I remind you it is not what I said... the dev did

I just asked a question

[thin lotus]

I knew you’d have checked thru the chat anyway :^)

[analog apex]

if it happens or not, only time will tell because not a dev word can be 100% trusted

[thin lotus]

There’s no way in hell they are going to revert what they already have. They’re doing that weird thing again where they unnecessarily lead people on rather than saying no

This grid system isn’t going anywhere. As bad as it lends itself to be, it’s quite literally the foundation of what hll is

They are not going to undo that lol

[analog apex]

well, it works aint it xD
and gives me some ammunition 😄

[sterile pagoda]

Did Ben at here again?

[dusty bolt]

Hey baby

Wanna play in the glows event tonight ?

@past veldt

In like 6 hours

[primal robin]

bells let loose

[keen glen]

let balls oil

[olive ivy]

Infantry after going to a locked point while we are losing the main point will always be mind blowing to me

Like what compels someone to do that

[robust bolt]

@fluid pawn Console community needs some love too. Playoffs starting this weekend for TPL

[past veldt]

2am? I'll give it a miss mate, sorry

Otherwise I'd love to

[arctic rampart]

Interesting trailer. The map, from the clips we see from the video does seem pretty good, although I do worry about those garry spots

[broken forge]

desert map 🛌

[olive ivy]

I don’t understand the hate

[dusty bolt]

Don’t be lame

[past veldt]

Got any friendly times to me for APL?

[dusty bolt]

Maybe

[olive ivy]

“Wahhh desert map wahhh desert map” legit all I keep hearing from people

[novel geyser]

I can understand peopels dislike of el alamein but tobruk actually seems quite good. Not as much open desert as el alamein

[olive ivy]

Exactly

Mfs legit just looking for reasons to complain

Actually childish

[novel geyser]

I can imagine anyone complaining at more north africa are the type that would say "why not add the pacific instead"

[past veldt]

I'd prefer more Normandy

[analog apex]

on the Tobruk last bottom top GER point, once they dug in there was no way in as they were on the hill camping with tanks and there was no way to get through the open areas... 1 tank stopped whole attack easily and the dunes helped just a bit

[olive ivy]

The Pacific would blow in a game like this ngl

Enjoy taking potshots at each other in the jungle

[novel geyser]

damn. I never played too much of the PTE tbh I'll just have to get more of a feel for things when the map is out.

[olive ivy]

Sounds really fun

[novel geyser]

Only Normandy I'll accept from now on is Brit Vs Germans

[olive ivy]

Arty strike, allied armor, bombing run, at teams

[novel geyser]

infact I dont want to see another american map at all

[olive ivy]

A billion things at your disposal

[polar prism]

Luchs in Tobruk... great

[olive ivy]

Bros acting like the Luchs isn’t a one shot

[analog apex]

nope, all was easily controlled and bombing run ofc won't help agaisnt the tanks

[olive ivy]

Worst tank in the game and still complaining

[past veldt]

Arty and bombing runs are pretty poor counters to tanks

[polar prism]

My point is, it wasn't at Tobruk

[past veldt]

It can hit them, but it's pretty unreliable

[olive ivy]

This isn’t a Milsim

So 🤷‍♂️

[polar prism]

???

What does that have to do with anything?

[analog apex]

yep, often even a light tank survives it... hell, even a halftrack

[olive ivy]

You understand you are the sole person that’s upset over the luchs being in the map

Let that sink in

[olive ivy]

Precision that thing then

[polar prism]

It's been mentioned quite a lot in the Tobruk Q&A

[past veldt]

Once every 20 minutes 😄

[olive ivy]

Dumb thing to complain abt ngl

[analog apex]

that was about precision strike btw. #mess-hall message

[past veldt]

They are pretty bad too tbh. German one especially. Allied ones are fairly reliable

[arctic rampart]

nah'. Now you gotta' save them to blow up fortification walls

[olive ivy]

I highly doubt your “immersion” will be broken by the luchs being in the game

The tank no tank crew wants

[analog apex]

German one, one can easily avoid because of the siren... move just by a meter and all is wasted, another one in 20m 🥶

[past veldt]

"Sir, I have a garrison in my sights, please send the airforce at it"

"bad hit, the bomb hit 9 miles from where I marked"

[polar prism]

About questioning why the Luchs is there? Isn't it one shot right? Why not have an armoured car instead?

Brings in something new

[olive ivy]

Because armored cars were useless in WW2

The Luchs is better than a half track and a armored car

Not so much as a tank but better than those two things

[analog apex]

halftrack? why would you mention a halftrack agaisnt a tank?

[polar prism]

No comment lmao

[olive ivy]

Because he mentioned since the Luchs is useless why not replace it

[sinful whale]

What are the newbie ranked servers

[polar prism]

Useless? I never said that?

[sinful whale]

Called

[olive ivy]

Please read my message more throughly

[olive ivy]

You said since it’s a one shot why not replace it

[sinful whale]

Anybody know what the newbie ranked servers called

[polar prism]

I said it was one shot, so why not replace it with an armoured car because it'll also be one shot

I never said it was useless

[olive ivy]

Because it’s better than an armored car

And a half track

[arctic rampart]

Hell Let Loose the type of game where a stuka drops a 250kg bomb 3 meters from a wooden table with a radio on it and it has 0 effect

[analog apex]

if you are talking about the community hosted ones, each community sets its own names so they vary

[olive ivy]

I really shouldn’t have to explain this

[analog apex]

look for like "new players welcome" or something in that sense

use the server name filter

[sinful whale]

Wich is best for Europe im level 31

[polar prism]

Replace the Luchs with an Sd.Kfz. 222

[arctic rampart]

Just play on any EU server

[past veldt]

Just make sure you speak the language and you'll be fine

[arctic rampart]

New player servers are a marketing trick to attract more players even though the average game sucks way more on them

[olive ivy]

No

That’s worse

[sinful whale]

We’ll call you just say the name of a newbie server that is good please

[olive ivy]

We Alr have the puma

[arctic rampart]

IT DOESNT MATTER

[past veldt]

Hang on, let me name every EU server

[olive ivy]

Light work

[analog apex]

yep pretty much... especially since even into the "newcomers" servers all the high LVL experienced players have access to as well

[arctic rampart]

JUST JOIN ANY EU, COMMUNITY, SERVER

[polar prism]

How is it worse? They're both one shot but the Sd.Kfz. 222 is faster and has a faster turret traverse. It'll actually be better lol

[olive ivy]

Because armored cars are worse at going over rough terrain

[past veldt]

The speed and turret traverse will be dependent on which class of tank they belong to

[olive ivy]

Due to them having tires

[polar prism]

Most of the map is urban fyi lol

[olive ivy]

The gunner on the car you mentioned is very exposed

[analog apex]

However according to the devs that will change so each tank will behave differently in its own way. Only time will tell though, if they do it and when.

[past veldt]

Much like a Panther is slightly quicker but the Tiger turns slightly faster in gear 1...

It won't be anything big because balance is good for the game

[olive ivy]

That doesn’t mean there isn’t debris in the road

[novel geyser]

I do think the vehicles and weapons available on maps should reflect the time period and setting accurately. Because
A: its cool to have that level of detail and its something that sets these games apart from others
and
B: it makes each of the maps unique in different ways than just layout

[analog apex]

if there would be much more tanks to choose to spawn from, it wouldn't matter as there woudl be always some alternative
pretty easy to balance today with just like 1 tank of each tier per faction... 2 tops

[olive ivy]

Smth that a wheeled vehicle will have a harder time going over

[silk igloo]

im too lazy to look up whatever they said about tobruk, someone give me a rundown

[olive ivy]

Plus like I mentioned the gunner is exposed at the top

All it would take is one sniper shot and there goes your gunner

[polar prism]

Still much better than the Luchs

[analog apex]

they are open to get rid of the grid system xD
not that we believe it ofc 😄 ... but they said it

[olive ivy]

The Luchs is enclosed fully

[silk igloo]

dont give me hope

[novel geyser]

honestly not a whole lot
they showed off a couple early dev images, a bunch of other locations they looked at before deciding on tobruk complete with strong point locations
and a few pictures of the most recent version of the map where the urban areas arent as empty

[polar prism]

Both have their ups and downs, but overall the Sd.Kfz. 222 would be better

[novel geyser]

talked mostly about design things and answered like 3 questions and it was over

[olive ivy]

Ah yes let’s give the enemy snipers an easy kill

Great idea, can’t see that going wrong

[polar prism]

Quick and maneuverable, perfect for that kind of environment

[analog apex]

and they said that in their new buildings, there won't be possible to place down the OPs/boxes in, nor on the rooftops... only outside
they also said it's easy to change, but in my ears it felt like a permanent state

[olive ivy]

Like I said one anti material rifle shot will crack that thing open like a tin can

That cage is NOT thick

[novel geyser]

a real shame
I think OPs should definitely be palceable inside buildings, and ESPECIALLY ammo boxes. no reason for them not to be allowed

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[polar prism]

Meanwhile, the Luch accelerates as fast as a Tiger lmao

[olive ivy]

Uhh yeah that’s bs

I don’t think I’ve heard smth false in my life

[polar prism]

The light tanks accelerate extremely slow in this game

If you care so much about a closed top, then have an Sd.Kfz. 231 instead lol

[polar prism]

Yeah, tell that to the DAK forces who relied heavily on them

[novel mantle]

wtf