mess-hall

[gray garden]

yup

[paper torrent]

farquaad + hitler + shrek

well, i admit, some of them had a point.

in some i was discussing actual details and they got scared like, in some US states that is not legal

also against discord TOS. but some servers someone just asked me to explain how uranium-235 was made from natural uranium, which you can find on google.

[thin comet]

finding it on google doesn't necessarily mean it's OK to post it tho

[real parrot]

I found some things on Tor

[thin comet]

Oh thats different, share away!

[paper torrent]

yea makes sense but i forgot to mention their argument was like "you cant be instructing ppl how to make nuclear weapons"

[real parrot]

Hear me out, water its not wet

[paper torrent]

the thing is, i was just explaining how uranium-235 is produced. that's a BBC documentary thing

[thin comet]

you mean.. it's dry!?!?!

[real parrot]

Yes it is

[paper torrent]

that said, that process takes what is basically a massive warehouse full of gas centrifuges, not like info on this is gonna do any damage

if you have a singular water molecule, that is not wet

if you have two of them, neither of them are wet, but if one is touching the other, only then are they both wet

like how a hand is not clapping until the hand is hitting another hand

[real parrot]

No because when one water touches other water, they both become one water

My domain of english language is unspoken I know

[paper torrent]

one glass of water is different from one water
the latter is not really a thing

bc of language you get all this fun stuff

did you know you can burn air

[real parrot]

Anyways as I was saying, Hll truly is a sad game

[paper torrent]

i wanna ask why is that but i have seen the steam forums

[real parrot]

I have just one image that can prove my point

#hll-artwork message This, is the russian arty on Karkhov

I have nothing else to say

[paper torrent]

oh that

[thin comet]

looks totally normal to me

[paper torrent]

modern day culture and capitalism has ppl like not giving a crap about anything as long as they have dopamine and money

[real parrot]

I don't understand how that translate to having the arty buried inside the snow

[paper torrent]

all it takes is a position change for an object in some code, basically one line of code has to be changed

but ppl are just content and won't lose money if they don't, so they have no reason to not do it

[real parrot]

So thats why a shovel can stop my 40 tons Tiger tank

[paper torrent]

that arty thing is basically an object that has XYZ coordinate. it spawns at that position. Y coordinate is height. so all they have to do is increase Y value so it spawns above ground

a shame, really

[real parrot]

Worst part is that it was ok when the map when out, and then someday its just buried in the snow

[finite berry]

umm akschually it's 57 tons ☝️ 🤓

[real parrot]

[thin comet]

tonks sounded better tbh!

[finite berry]

me tired :>

[real parrot]

Tinks really sounded better

[thin comet]

you didn't see diddly

[finite berry]

tons ❌
tonks ❌
tinks ✅

[paper torrent]

if you play hll for hundreds of hours you end up turning into a living radio station

[real parrot]

I am

[paper torrent]

"enemy recon plane in row 5, charlie, able, enemy infantry in G5, G6, commander, tank squad is asking for panther in middle HQ, i repeat, asking for panther in middle HQ"

bla di bla lol

rank of yap officer

mewing not needed

[real parrot]

The bot censured my comment, I'm now tired

[slate panther]

If its UE4 then this doesnt even need a code change. You drag it by moving an arrow in the editor.

[paper torrent]

does that mean they have to regenerate the whole map bc of it

[slate panther]

no

[paper torrent]

that is less bad than expected

[real parrot]

Last time I tried to code I ended up making a mokepon game and nintendo is after my as

[slate panther]

nobody can save you

[real parrot]

😔

[paper torrent]

i have a 5000 line powder toy lua api mod

i didn't learn to code, i just took other mods' lines and copypasted and edited until it stopped crashing on startup

did that for several years until it turned into 5k lines of custom stuff

tried python but i couldn't get past the install. smh just make an installer instead of forcing everyone to go through some cmdline bs

[slate panther]

develop in wsl

[real parrot]

Closer thing I did was making a 500GB skyrim modlist to work stable at 60fps with a 1660 SUPER and a I310100F

I didn't

[paper torrent]

lol

i was ab to call you a wizard

one of the first things in any skyrim modlist i make is the one where they stop turning around and lying down on death

[real parrot]

Best thing I could do was 30 FPS with stuters in the wild, and the game decides to crash on random places because a very specific combination of mods

First thing I always do is new start mod

For testing purposes

[paper torrent]

pinky toe of one mod touching a tidbit generated by another mod that calls a function with a name that runs a line at the same timing-

[real parrot]

More like conflicting textures that doesn't exits and the game freaks out

[paper torrent]

absent exception handling bc AAA

[real parrot]

I'll never be able to read those Crashlogs

[paper torrent]

bc pink and black textures just don't scream million dollar release

damn that reminds me of games which dont even have crashlogs

[real parrot]

Skyrim doesn't has a decent crashlog, there is mod for it

[slate panther]

Do people have access to pdb files for skyrim?

[paper torrent]

if you make your game not log crashes, you get less pressure on customer service, less evidence of crashing, and if there's no exception handling, there's no pictures of error messages, and no error textures

[real parrot]

I don't even know what that is

[paper torrent]

pound dat b-

Probably Database Bsomething

[slate panther]

the file that your debugger reads to turn the crash dump into a stack trace so you can find where the crash is in code?

is this only a source engine thing?

[paper torrent]

oh thats where ive seen that extension

[real parrot]

Dunno

I just put mods on the mod manager and see if the game crash

[paper torrent]

trying to picture the level of idiocy in systems design has me aching to throw up

let's use a neutron moderating material as a control rod ahh energy

[slate panther]

for what exactly?

[real parrot]

🚜

I'm installing Cities Skylines II

Cool game

[paper torrent]

i don't understand your question

what for what

[slate panther]

what system are you referring to

[paper torrent]

in this case, game design for error handling and whatnot. in the latter case, chernobyl's nuclear reactor design

control rods are supposed to slow down production of heat by interrupting the feed mechanism of thermal neutrons

but graphite turns fast neutrons into thermal neutrons so ggs

[real parrot]

I'm going to sleep or tomorrow I'll eat someone

[paper torrent]

someone chose graphite for that mechanism and there was tons of money and people involved and all of them went 'yeah lets do that'

likewise someone chose to make skyrim not have proper crash logs and exception handling

[slate panther]

There is a decent chance its dependent on some internal tool at bethesda.

[paper torrent]

except game design hinges on programming language design and on a whole host of other things that each have their own compound fractures

so it's exponentially more messed up and untracable at times, for game design, that is

[paper torrent]

bet

probably delegated

[slow imp]

Hey ya'll. Anyone know the error msg. "Something went wrong. The request could not be completed. Please try again later." ? Kinda lost here, tried new DNS, still not working

Asking for a friend, playing on Epic Games Launcher

[paper torrent]

idk enough ab that stuff. all i can do is link you this
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271718922734796865

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[river rover]

Be sure their Date\Time are correct and set to automatic and synced to internet. Also be sure they have their (2) Hell Let Loose firewalls configured. Delete their Webcache folder. Then try again. For the firewall configurations see the PINNED message from the link given by Eyes above.

[dense meadow]

does anyone know about the ANZR server, it says i have been kicked by administrator.

[slate canopy]

Could be vote kicked? See if they have a post in #1343089641489961001 or #console-seeding-help if you want to try to get to their discord and figure if it's temporary (like from a vote kick) or more serious.

[dense meadow]

cheers mate

[lucid shale]

hate dumbasses who solo tanks when theres already 3 tank squads full in the game

then they wanna cry about it when everyone calls them out for it

[storm stratus]

Kick vote.

[analog apex]

if enabled on the server

[pine breach]

This function is disabled on this server

[novel geyser]

[worthy charm]

[wind shore]

i have kickvotes disabled in options i dont get the messages

:)

[oak current]

oooh the piggies won!

[pine breach]

This function is disabled on this server

There are no more winners

[oak current]

[wind shore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1jjx3cn/what_to_level_up/

highest upvoted answer is "unlock the flamethrower"

why is reddit bad at the game?

do they even play it?

like seriously

[worthy charm]

We are obviously waaaaay better😎

[wind shore]

sometimes i doubt it

[worthy charm]

Never have seen anyone complain in here.

-# /s

[wind shore]

imagine a dev not understanding the game like the guy who propsed the medic change and they go on reddit because they want to see what the community thinks and this is what they see

no wonder they fiddle around with the god damn flamethrower no one cares about

they should make surveys where you have to link your steam accounts so the hours of gametime can be filtered and you just disregard everyone with less than 200 hours

[worthy charm]

Order of how good opinions are:
reddit < discors < sam

[arctic rampart]

Yes

[wind shore]

reddit < cat randomly walking on your keyboard < discord

[arctic rampart]

mfers called Support a "meme role"

They have to be console players, no way are those real takes

[worthy charm]

For that there should be jail time.

[wind shore]

amazing how there isnt one helpful answer

its like a culture shock

and people in here ask for more complex mechanics. maybe learn the basics first smh

[arctic rampart]

I mean, reddit's way more populated by lots of the normies of hll.
In here it's mostly us, people with like 800-1000 hours or more.

[lucid shale]

the only meme role rn is medic fr

[arctic rampart]

Yup

[lucid shale]

hopefully they get that role buffed a bit so its actually useful

[analog apex]

it was never about buffing the role, it was about changing the systems around it to make the role useful without being forced when possible

there is nothing much the devs could do about the role alone itself (apart of giving more ammo, there is nothing else rly)

[arctic rampart]

Players: Any suggestion regarding medics
Devs: #hll-memes message

[oak current]

isnt the main issue for the medic, that they want to do their medic stuff but rarely can?
Medic players want to do medic stuff aka bandaging+reviving.
You could make the medic useful by giving him a FG42 with 400 extra ammo packs, also he gets a 1s respawn time and can parachute in....but none of that would tackle the main wish of the medics to do more medicing 😄

[analog apex]

the main problem is that the players do not wait for the revival as the dying doesn't matter

[arctic rampart]

Yup, they rarely can, because anyone with a brain doesn't wait for them.

There's only a few niche, cherry pick, situations where waiting for a medic would be the better choice.

[analog apex]

and a little bit of advertising... if the medic is to be useful, dying needs to matter, and for dying to matter, HLL needs... a ticket system but not a basic one we know to finish a match in favour of one or the other side straight away
#1354372730992197694

[oak current]

"make the game more shit for everyone, so 1 role gets to have more fun"

[cyan saddle]

Give the medic mains their paratrooper squad and they will immediately forget about medic role

[analog apex]

not rly

dying needs to matter and there is no other way to do it

or is there

[oak current]

• for the medic to have more downed people

[arctic rampart]

imo, tickets aren't the way to go. Because if you tie them into only deaths, then the game becomes more of a TDM then a capture point thing. And if you start tying them into objectives, to make objectives matter, then you rather play only objectives and not fight. Which is exactly what happens in SQUAD.

[analog apex]

that is just the very point I am raising - you want more people waiting (aka more downed people stay there)? you need a ticket sytem in which dying matters

[arctic rampart]

Have we ever discussed OP's only providing X amount of spawns?

[analog apex]

then maybe read how I suggest it in the suggestion because it is not just about the tickets -** depleting tickets would only allow to start capping a point**, but we would still need people to get in there to cap it

[heady hornet]

delete medic, problem solved.

[arctic rampart]

I'll read it a bit later, I went diagonally over it ;D

But yeah, how about allowing OP's to only spawn X amount of soldiers?

It would be like mini-tickets 😄

[pine breach]

I want a shoulder mounted mortar gun to pretend I'm a medicinal pokémon.

Or a predator.

[analog apex]

and that was one of my earlier suggestions, was a more complex though

in my today's suggestion I went even simpler with it

honestly, in the course of HLL history, I have suggested everything from the milsim complex to the most simple ticket-like systems (to make nodes, medics and dying +ammo to matter)

[arctic rampart]

And I'm guessing not even 1 has had any recognition by the devs at all

[analog apex]

but I don't think any of them ever got noticed/read by the devs at all, the same as all the other suggestions of other peeps

[arctic rampart]

Yeah...

[analog apex]

daaam you wrote it while I was just writing it 😄
yep that's it... the devs never have and never will use any of our suggestions

[arctic rampart]

🫨

I am so happy that I can now express my daily HLL discord feelings with these amazing emojis

[pine breach]

Looks like your gunbarrel is flaccid, let me help...

GHAAAWK PFFT! SPAT ON THAT THANG!

[arctic rampart]

Here's a US transport truck, because that's exactly how I feel

The PTSD ones are awesome though

[novel geyser]

I hate to say it but some of the emotes in this server just have to go

[arctic rampart]

[arctic rampart]

This will be perfect to look back at all the bs that hasn't been fixed

[novel geyser]

Why do we have exact copies of the flag emojis

[arctic rampart]

[novel geyser]

🥩

[arctic rampart]

Why tf do we just have SWEDENS FLAG AS A CUSTOM EMOJI????

[novel geyser]

Why do we just have a lower res version of the meat emoji lmao

BM on another level

[analog apex]

BM... BeefMeat? xD

[novel geyser]

🇫🇷

[arctic rampart]

I'm just gonna go out and say that Soulsnipers emoji is only good for spelling out SS on Maxims messages

[novel geyser]

Two different emojis

[pine breach]

Here is an eggplant

🍆

I have no idea what to do with it.

[arctic rampart]

[real parrot]

20 seconds basic respawn cooldown, medics can drag bodies and help reduce suppression.

[oak current]

I never understood the wish to drag bodies in HLL.
It takes you half a second to revive someone...why would you go into some long animation to start dragging a person.

you are in the danger area either way

[real parrot]

To not die instantly due to MG or tank

[oak current]

but you have the same movement, so you'd die either ways

[pine breach]

Kidnapping teammates looks like a fun activity

[oak current]

because to revive or grab, you both times need to be there

[novel geyser]

If any change is to be made to make medic useful it needs to actually play into the gameplay
I always suggest a proper injury system but some ppl are too tiktok brained to handle debuffs when shot
So increasing spawn time would just not be beneficial

[worthy charm]

Same, it just doesnt make any sense...

[real parrot]

Not if you can quickly drag someone

[oak current]

but you need to still go to the spot where the downed player is

[arctic rampart]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1354405710498103398

[oak current]

which is the killing-spot

[real parrot]

That was smoke is

[oak current]

...why not revive in the smoke then?

[worthy charm]

shooting a friend in the foot and then dragging them into a dark room

[real parrot]

Usually it doesn't end well

[arctic rampart]

@pine breach upvote it you duck

[oak current]

[real parrot]

Best example I have is Arma and Squad, you can quickly drag a downed body while in cover, and revive them in cover

[oak current]

...but in ARMA it takes quite some time to revive somebody and heal them

in hll its done within 2-3 seconds

so should reviving + healing also take much longer? 👀

[arctic rampart]

We all discussing medic like we would play the mfer if it got better kekw

[oak current]

cause then we'd have: wait for medic to get close, wait for medic to throw smoke, wait for smoke to be big enough, wait for medic to grab you, wait for medic to drag you away, wait for medic to revive you - at this point, I might go for a lunch break 😄

[real parrot]

Imagine there is an MG on a street in Carentan, and you cover with some box, you can drag the guy to where you are without getting out of cover and revive

[novel geyser]

Squad has a harsh ticket system and guns aren't laser accurate, plus anyone can drag or revive teammates not just medic

All of those things hll lacks

[arctic rampart]

It's easier to pop the MG

[oak current]

in that exact situation, a body drag would be nice

[real parrot]

We are speaking about dragging, ticket system has nothing to do with that

[oak current]

so for moments when the medic is right next to the downed person + has cover

[arctic rampart]

With this shooting system it's more advantegous to shoot the bad guy and then revive rather then avoid the fight

[novel geyser]

It kinda does since you have a good reason to wait to be dragged to cover if you're down
Dragging bodies doesn't solve the base issue of waiting for a medic is often times a waste

[heady hornet]

telekinesis. use your mind to get the body to safety.

[novel geyser]

It's just another situational mechanic ontop of an extremely situational class

[real parrot]

Still, trying to take the same spot after your mate died is not a good idea

[real parrot]

That's why 20 seconds basic cooldown

[arctic rampart]

Oh ofc, but I just wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to get him dragged over if I can pop the person from the position my friendly was in.

[novel geyser]

Hooray more time wasting

Just what this game needs

[arctic rampart]

Obviously aspects such as "Does the enemy know there was 2 of us?" come into play, but generally that's the case

[novel geyser]

I'd rather deaths have more impact on the overall match than wasting your time waiting to respawn

[oak current]

I like the idea though of tactical-placed bodies now...Move a downed player into a building and let him tell you when to shoot.

[arctic rampart]

Also, can we discuss how I made a advertisement in Latvian, a russian guy writes to me in dm's.
He asks a question and I respond that I do not understand it.
So he places a facepalm emoji, so I told him to f off.

Like if the ads in one language, why would you contact the seller in a different language?

[novel geyser]

And with how people play this game any longer wait to respawn won't be looked at fondly

[oak current]

"ON THE STAIRS NOW" brrrrt

[heady hornet]

problem is he doesnt talk.

[real parrot]

Punishing more deaths will help with people that spawncamps instead of going to the middle point, and random people going random places too

[oak current]

inb4 theres a "can we drag corpses to make human-sandbags" suggestion.

"think of the roleplaying!"

[novel geyser]

That's the hll problem you change one mechanic you have to change every single other since they're all layered in their terrible implication
A longer respawn is a simple solution but not a good one

[heady hornet]

drag all the corpses onto one big pile and throw a grenade. Just hope that no limbs touch each other mid air.

[real parrot]

Sometimes simple solutions are the best ones

[heady hornet]

do nothing?

[novel geyser]

It's giving medics potentially a better time at the expense of everyone else and people will still redeploy over a medic revive

[real parrot]

That's not a solution

[novel geyser]

Remove medic

[heady hornet]

delete medic.

[oak current]

that sounds very easy

[real parrot]

Delete the game

No more problems

[novel geyser]

Add pacific

[oak current]

thats work

[novel geyser]

Problem instantly solved game sells a gorillian copies and t17 take over the world

[heady hornet]

medic currently has a niche spot. It's fine for the roleplayers but doesnt affect the overall game.

[pine breach]

Make Hell Let Loose family friendly.

[novel geyser]

Hell let loose funko pops

Then they'll make a hll funko rts

[pine breach]

Remove censored words in chat

DEI is no longer an issue

[novel geyser]

World huger cures and there's peace among nations all because of Pacific being added to hll

[novel geyser]

DEI is in your walls

[pine breach]

Don't make me shout the two genders.

https://tenor.com/view/raising-the-sword-prince-adam-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-the-forge-at-the-forest-of-forever-almighty-gif-24731617

[real parrot]

Embed failure

[novel geyser]

Do it please you'll own the libs I swear

[pine breach]

What kind of libs?

[novel geyser]

Idk "the libs" the boogie men that people seem afraid of

[pine breach]

T17's math libs?

1 = 1
1 = 1 * 1
2 = 1 + 1
2 = 2 * 1
2 = 2 / 1

😆

[novel geyser]

Idk maths i don't believe in it
It's all a lie

[gentle lintel]

everything is made up

[novel geyser]

Not me I'm real

[gentle lintel]

I always think about, what if things aren’t actually what we call them, and who grunted the first grunts to make them into the words that we call them.

Why is a door a door, why is ground ground, why is red red, what if red is actually green and we’ve been calling it red this whole time

[wind shore]

I haven’t logged on in like a year what’d I miss. Cuz my ears perked up when you said for the role players

[wind shore]

Hey Pookie 🫵🏽😭 long time no see

[arctic rampart]

You haven't missed anything, cause jack sheet changes around here

[real parrot]

We live in a simulation

[arctic rampart]

That's the whole issue

[wind shore]

Same old T17 blues then huh 😭

[arctic rampart]

Yes

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-guy-ryan-reynolds-free-guy-whats-your-name-gif-22851750

[wind shore]

Don’t tell me you’ve forgotten me already pookie 😭

We used to be such good pals when you was giving me all those strikes back during the German OP riots 🤣🤣

[cyan saddle]

@gentle lintel hey pookie 😎 🤘

[arctic rampart]

Just react with a double S emoji and get a warn kekw

[cyan saddle]

That's so boring man

If you're getting warned, at least have it be because you rick rolled the CM

[arctic rampart]

Doubt that would get one

[cyan saddle]

1 sec

[arctic rampart]

And the only real place to do it would be here, cause every other channel isn't the DPRK and embeds work correctly

[arctic rampart]

Pretty valid

Okay, I guess instead I'll just use this tank sticker to convey my feelings towards the forum posts

[novel geyser]

It was

[ember quail]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3361860/Army_Troop_Remastered/

This gut just followed me on insta

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-who-are-you-kazoo-kid-funny-gif-16933963

[ember quail]

What ya think

[cyan saddle]

On numerous occasions I have thought about colors and how we perceive them. Our eyes receive the same light, and our brains perceive it the same way. But it creates an image out of it. Does my perceived image look the same as others?

[arctic rampart]

A rudamentary remake of older cods that will be fun in gameplay, but will get stale quick due to lack of other content besides the 5 guns and 3 maps? Seems like the usual.

[gentle lintel]

and how tf do cameras even work

HOW DOES IT SHOW WHAT'S THERE

[cyan saddle]

Check the developer's past work

It's full of cod-like nostalgy games

[wind shore]

yes. but some eyes can spot more minute differences in colors than others

[cyan saddle]

But do I see blue where you see red, despite us both calling it red 🤔

Can we know?

[wind shore]

yes our eyes and brains are not different like that

we know that animals for example see differently

[analog apex]

what's the topic here xD

[wind shore]

my percieved green is the same green as yours @analog apex

[analog apex]

rly? no way! heh

I know that very well... every time I check my green name on this discord it reminds me 😄 .

[novel geyser]

what about colour blind people
haha checkmate

[wind shore]

thats a defect

[analog apex]

about those... HLL devs should have added colorBlind profiles long time ago

no idea what they are waiting for

[wind shore]

no need HLL players are mostly blind

[analog apex]

true but still...

shouldn't be even hard to implement

...relatively to other stuff ofc.

Btw., I hate how the HLL devs are avoiding of being confronted directly about these and other things that should have been done long time ago. QA is conducted only through a CM and there is no way to ask them here directly either, we don't know their names, we don't know who they are as they don't engage with us here at all.

Some questions would definitely need a clear answer without any stuff they say to ether derail from the question or avoid answering. We can call the original BM devs whatever, but one thing we can't deny them - that they were talking to us at least.

[wind shore]

well reading what people on reddit write im actually glad they dont listen to the community

what they should do is get curated feedback from competitive teams

after all those communities carry not only the cost of hosting but these sort of palyers are responsible for public matches even working

[analog apex]

or simply from the active HLL veterans in general
there are comp teams and comp teams

[wind shore]

yea but at least those players fundamentally understand the game

and the issues that come with it

and they have a stake in it

(server cost etc)

[analog apex]

but in that case we would have lost the medic role long ago
get rid of a problem is always easier than thinking about it and fixing it

[wind shore]

well you wouldnt let them do the changelogs but just get their feedback

[arctic rampart]

nEvEr SaY NeVer

[analog apex]

I am a veteran player, I was in the comp for a long time and know that not all of the comp suggestions would be actually good

[wind shore]

fair fair

but the QA really was kinda worrysome

[analog apex]

indeed

[wind shore]

just complete lack of understanding of the game

i mean i get you cant put 1k hours into a game u work on

[analog apex]

and the feel that they are disconnected from the community and its opinions about certain topics

[arctic rampart]

Refer back to: #hll-memes message

[wind shore]

100%

but its not a HLL specific problem that devs listen to the dumbest of casuals and ignore high level play

that is the norm not the exception

[arctic rampart]

It's a every game problem

[analog apex]

it doesn't matter from whom a suggestion comes - as long as it fits the game and enriches it, it's good

[wind shore]

OW being a prime example

[arctic rampart]

Tarkov's a great example of only listening to streamers

[analog apex]

they should listen to both and just filter out the stupid ones

[wind shore]

essentially remove all impact play and dumb down so everyone is equally worthless and its just a mush of mediocracy

[arctic rampart]

WoW as well

[wind shore]

never played it. how did listening to twitchers work out?

[arctic rampart]

Nobody that's normal can play it. Every wipe gets finished in a week or bit more by people that can play 9-10 hours a day.
Resulting in everyone else suffering, because the no-lifers significantly out-advantage everyone else.

That on top of a huuge amount of bugs and other issues make it quite the mess for anyone that doesn't have all the free time in the world to play

Then after like 3 weeks the no-lifers just result to griefing everyone else since they run out of content

Oh and also the same amount of hackers as counter-strike, except the impact of them is huge since in Tarkov if you die = lose all your stuff

90% of the main progression (quests) are also tied with surviving a match, so a person who teleports you and kills you doesn't really help

[wind shore]

i see i see

well at least people who donate away their allowances to millionaires are entertained

[arctic rampart]

Every game these days has some major issue that no one wants to fix

[wind shore]

i wonder how EVE online handles this, since they have been able to grow their playerbase over years which is essentially unheard of these days

[arctic rampart]

For counter strike its cheaters
For HLL it's voip
For Tarkov it's sound
For signle player games it's performance

For me EvE falls in the same bucket of games as Hearts of Iron 4.
It looks super cool and I'd be super down to play it, but the difficulty and stuff you need to read up before screwing up is just too big.

[novel geyser]

I would never entrust this games featurs to comp players tbh

[wind shore]

they are the game

go on a server with only level 40s

unplayable

every enjoyable game you had in HLL was hardcarried by comp players or players in comp level

[heady hornet]

If your idea of fixing it, is to worsen the game experience for 49 other people by introducing weird ticket systems. Then yes, deleting a class, which the players of the class complain about being to weak, is the easiest way.

The medic has in a relatively fast paced game like HLL, where deaths dont really matter no place. It's always faster to redeploy + added benefit of ammo refresh.

If you want to now change fundamental game mechanics, to make one role viable, you are delusional. The medic in itself currently is fine for the people that want to roleplay. But they should stop crying about people not wanting to wait for a random person that might revive them.

[heady hornet]

I would never entrust this games features to only casuals tbh.

[arctic rampart]

Nah' casuals are delusional

[worthy charm]

The comp players dont bring in the money tho.

[analog apex]

it's not worsening
it's worsening relatively to the state we haven now - on the relative scale and only from a subjective angle of view
but on the objective scale, it's something that should have been there from the start and if it was, people would have gotten used to it and play accordingly... the same as Squad players have... HLL players could do the same

[wind shore]

they pay for the servers you play on

which means T17 doenst have to

[arctic rampart]

Casuals bring in money not by having the game easy, but just spending money on cool trailers

[worthy charm]

They pay the Server Provider

[wind shore]

??

[worthy charm]

Not T17,

[wind shore]

?????????????

[arctic rampart]

Excuse Me can correct me on this, but I doubt their server Patreon is upheld by only comp players. Pretty sure it's just a tiny bit above average players who have a daily routine of playing on the server.

[wind shore]

competitive level players

[arctic rampart]

Idk if they're quite comp level, but above casual ig yeah

[wind shore]

when is the last time any of you went to a HLL official server?

thats why comp teams should have the biggest voice in the communty

[worthy charm]

Do you think T17 hosts the servers? Do they, after ehat I know there are a few Providers who get payed and have a contract with T17, to be allowed to do that?

Spaming ? Isnt really an answer.

[heady hornet]

have fun playing on official servers then.

[arctic rampart]

4 weeks ago, because I wanted to see how bad it is

[worthy charm]

Maaaan that aint my point. New Player -> buy games and skins -> T17 gets the money
Server Owners -> host the servers -> the servers host gets paid

OR does T17 host servers?

Am I the idiot here? Never heard of a studio hosting servers

[analog apex]

honestly no idea who is actually hosting the official HLL servers

T17 most likely but who knows

[wind shore]

yes. competitive teams pay for servers so T17 doesnt have to.

a game like Overwatch, blizzards host the server (if they outsource it or not doesnt matter)

not sure what your point is maybe you can restate it

[arctic rampart]

They themselves don't host it, but they sublease the task to someone else.
There was some inside talk about whether or not they are paid for it, or it's just free advertising for the hoster, not sure about that one.

In any case community servers are paid for, by the community.
But it has nothing to do with the revenue coming from game licences sold or skins

[wind shore]

dont even understand who plays on those

but they are essentially unplayable

[analog apex]

yep, I don't get those peeps either

[arctic rampart]

We should go on them and advertise to join community servers xD

[worthy charm]

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, you dont need to state the obvious. I just wanted to clarify that T17 doesnt make any profits out of Comp or the servers. So for them the focus is more on new players, after all they still spend money on the game, unlike someone like me who bought the game for 20€, played 800h and never had interest in any Skins.

[heady hornet]

New Player wants to buy the game -> sees 4 players active-> decides not to buy the game.

Having moderated servers, is what keeps the game alive. What keeps people from becoming veterans and teaching new players and thus continuing the circle.

[worthy charm]

All I am trying to say is that this rant how bad new players are isnt that helpful.

[pine breach]

I ask the same question about germans communicating with other germans.. how do they do it?

[arctic rampart]

It's because it's irrelevant.

[analog apex]

btw, when EPIC released HLL for free for the limited time, they added much more official servers if I understand it correctly.... but since the playercount has returned to the original (pre-EPIC) numbers, they should close down a large portion of the official servers to compensate

[wind shore]

you should buy the german dlc with gloves for the advantage of being less visible:))

[arctic rampart]

They don't care about better or worse places to play in, because the goal's just to get a player to buy and then stick around for at least 3 hours

[worthy charm]

Alive but still doesnt provide any direct profit, maybe without community servers T17 would get some admins for the official servers. Point is they dont get any money directly, but how we can see with the announcement of rconV2 they still see the value in those servers.

Anyway, I was about to clean up my place, so I will resume doint that.

[wind shore]

its not a rant, its just that the players who hardcarry the longevity of the game should have a direct way to communicate with t17

we all want to play on active moderated servers and we get all of it for free

which is very good for T17

because it saves them money

so thats the least they could do

[analog apex]

you used the word "money", maybe T17 management will listen to this 😄

🤑

[wind shore]

i want T17 to make as much profit off this game as possible :D

thats why they should listen to comp players

[pine breach]

LeTs cATeR tO tHE tOp 1%

[analog apex]

so... let's cater me in other words 😵 😄

[wind shore]

votemap FOY because of the band of brother episode
leave server because you keep getting shot 30 times in a row by german MG

yes, listen to the top 1%

all new maps besides tobruk absolute casual catering unplayable garbage

[pine breach]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

[wind shore]

absolutely listen to the top 1% on how to make maps

[wind shore]

if you think elsenborn is a good map im afraid you k/d has never been positive

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on hedgerow maps

If comp had their way we'd be fighting mirrored usa v usa

Every sp would be perfectly centered

[pine breach]

Usa vs usa is too much reference to the present

[slate panther]

Foy is one of the better maps in this game

[cosmic pilot]

And have the same layout of cover

[wind shore]

yes because on average maps have gotten so bad that Foy is actually not that bad

[slate panther]

2026 isn't for another few months please don't spoil the future for the non time travelers

[cosmic pilot]

Roads would be in a perfect grid with no obstruction

[wind shore]

but tobruk gives me hope

[cosmic pilot]

And every rooftop would be accessible to mgs

And wait a minute, I'm describing an Urban map

[pine breach]

It already is

[arctic rampart]

If bipods will work correctly 100% the time, MG will be hella op role

[pine breach]

Rooftops are also accessible by tanks

[thin lotus]

competitively teleports behind your frontline and competitively backcaps you

[wind shore]

plays on servers other people pay for
!admin cry and have other people do things for you which you dont pay for
cry if games are not structured well

but i dont want that those people who provide all this to me for free have a voice in the community.
instead they have to listen to me because i read about ww2 on wikipedia

[cosmic pilot]

Eh, you're betraying some ignorance

[analog apex]

then we should be searching for a way to discourage the teleporting, at least the mass one
or how to prevent backcap

[cosmic pilot]

Listeeeen to meeeee

[arctic rampart]

At some point it's easier to just make an Arma ww2 mod then to fix hll

[pine breach]

cocaine
fat women
feelsgood

[cosmic pilot]

What is your opinion on red zone garrisons

[arctic rampart]

"Busty"

[wind shore]

most overrated garrisons, lead to more losses than wins

mostly just leads to people being outside of softcap and avoid meatgrind

which opens up defense and is the reason you lose 90% of matches

i never build them when im SL

in pubs all i need is 5 guys spawning on my OP

but i like the 100m block mechanic

[wind shore]

what is your opinion on my opinion

[thin lotus]

Already proven that this cannot work because of how easy shooting and killing targets are.
The game becomes "hold midpoint for 90 minutes to win".

It's the cascading consequence of having awful infantry combat

[wind shore]

maybe cap times could solve that. ie mid point is only 1 min cap time but that time increases, second point is 3 min etc?

capping last point should be very hard imo

but its like the easiest most of the time

cus HQ spawn mechanic

[analog apex]

not in my suggestion

[thin lotus]

The whole "race to cap mid point" that HLL has had is literally what Squad was in its very early stages of development. It's crazy how little has changed

[arctic rampart]

Squad is still the same thing

Except then it was 1 IFV and 3 supply logies, now it's 3 IFV's, 2 helis and 2 supply trucks rushing mid

[silk igloo]

Just because you cap first changes little if the enemy team builds OPs in the soft cap as soon as they lose it.

[slate panther]

What do you mean by proven? Only time this wasn't possible was when red garrisons were removed entirely, but no other method was ever attempted.

[wind shore]

they did remove red garrisons once? wild

id love that tbqh

[silk igloo]

imo there's enough tools to crack a defense, it'd just require to switch the roles of infantry and tanks, so that infantry kills tanks with AT guns and merely holds the enemy in place, while tanks are sacrificed to create openings

[wind shore]

did they decrease cooldown on OPs aswell?

[slate panther]

The result was really static matches and everyone placing garrisons right on the border. It also heavily skewed to the yanks since they had advantage in that situation

[wind shore]

fair enough. id prefere it that way i guess

is there an offical resource for tacmaps i wanted to send an email to the stratsketch dude and ask him to add new maps

once tobruk is out

[arctic rampart]

Official resource, not really. But most of 'em are posted in #1273828697941606450

That Winston dude always has 'em

[slate panther]

It got old fast.

[wind shore]

oh nvm stratsketch added elsenborn

too late. gonna have to buy this guy another coffee i think

such a great website

[cosmic pilot]

Alright fine, you pass the litmus test

On a ph scale your opinion is only a 0.6 or smthn

[slate canopy]

I enjoy the mattw.io website. Let's you zoom in and out and even place hypothetical garrison.

[cosmic pilot]

Given enough time, attack always wins in HLL.

Just in certain cases the attack isn't successful before the time limit is up

[silk igloo]

Yeah, because the defenders dont take any ground back when they lose it. It goes both ways.

[lucid shale]

would be great if we could take points back tbh

[thin lotus]

Squads vehicular dominance is what killed the game for me. I haven’t played in several years and it was bad then, looks like it only got worse since

[lucid shale]

helis? since when did this game have helicopters

[atomic pendant]

I agree. I want to like the game but every time I try to play it, it's just too frustrating between the awful UI and tactical map, the vehicles wrecking everyone, and the lack of decent players who are willing to help new players learn how to play. The playerbase seems so toxic whenever I try to jump in.

I don't have these issues with Squad 44 though

It's superior IMO. Even the stamina system I prefer. Rather take a few seconds to drink from the canteen to then be able to sprint again for a while then to have to just walk/wait around for my stamina bar to refill only for it to drain super fast again when I run.

[pine breach]

That's just on SOF 👀💦

[arctic rampart]

The vehicle issue is super prevalant in squad, they made it worse when they added like... divisions... or military branches to set teams.

At the end of a round it's just a quick 30 second discussion on which of the available branches has the most OP vehicles and you play that, or re-roll till you get one.

[worthy charm]

It always feels like S44 players are way nicer to newcomers, maybe because they dont get many of them... Does Squad get many new players these days?

[atomic pendant]

Squad is doing well in terms of player count

[arctic rampart]

Squad is majority new players

[finite berry]

16,000 at the moment

With 38,000 being the all-time peak

[atomic pendant]

Squad is dudes blasting music and saying the most vile stuff they can think of lol

[worthy charm]

Fr? Wouldnt have thought that, in comparision to Hell Let Loose its not really that beginner friendly.

But it has a tutorial....😢

[atomic pendant]

It's modern combat

[arctic rampart]

A good portion on why squad is more complicated is because it's also in a modern setting.

[atomic pendant]

People want all the gadgets and attachments and vehicles and all that

It's overwhelming to me

And I hate the UI and map

[worthy charm]

BF1 was really had a old setting and was really successful, but its a diffrent genre so maybe that help.

[arctic rampart]

Because every other thing is a abbreviation for something.
MBT, IFV, APC, M2A3, FOB, MOB, LPPV, ZBD, ZBL, ACV etc. etc.

[atomic pendant]

Lol

[arctic rampart]

Okay buddy, it's not that bad xD

But it's deffo worse than HLL

That's one thing that struck me quickly as well. I didn't like the sq44 map either

[atomic pendant]

Spawn in inside a rock and need to redeploy? Welp, hope you know the command prompt.

That's so stupid

[finite berry]

MBT, IFV, APC, FOB ✅, but what the heck is the rest

[pine breach]

I want to draw cocks on the map as commander on HLL..

[atomic pendant]

It's garbage.

[arctic rampart]

Specific vehicles that people call out

[finite berry]

based

[worthy charm]

S44 has it still better, always felt like the maps were smaller as well, but that could be coincident...

[wind shore]

Love your content btw 👌🏽 avid subscriber

[arctic rampart]

not like the world map, I mean the tactical map to see units

[pine breach]

Whaaat? You want me to draw holes? We're HLL players, not biology majors..

[atomic pendant]

I also just feel modern setting games have more boring maps. Desserts with bland buildings are just not as fun to fight in as beautiful French towns

[atomic pendant]

Nice, thanks man

[worthy charm]

I know, just saying. Some even say Hll is a walking simulator, which it isnt when you compare it with any of those two.

[arctic rampart]

OMG YES!
7/10 maps in squad are just open fields. Lose the vehicle? Welp, go afk for 20 minutes till you can get to a point

[slate panther]

Man I wish my squad matches had this much info

[wind shore]

Is the Squad community still goin strong? I’m getting my laptop in a couple months I haven’t played in a year or two, I loved that game dearly

[arctic rampart]

You start the game, wait like 5 minutes, then get rushed by a IFV, lose your truck and GG, next 30 minutes of a match are just a slow loss

[worthy charm]

Either way recently I rather play Foxhole than any of the "normal" shooters. Just feels nice doing some sub fighting or taking out the battleship.

[finite berry]

In that regards, there is always another game that's even more of a "walking simulator" ^^

[lucid tusk]

I do enjoy the one map in goose bay that has a copyright safe tim hortons

[wind shore]

We need like some good CQB with modern maps. More in depth QOL I feel like. I need house clearing not just running across an open field for 49 minutes 😭

[atomic pendant]

Yes very strong

[worthy charm]

Sure, it depends.

[lucid tusk]

The biggest problem with squad is it's aversion to urban maps. It doesn't know if it wants to be an insurgency simulator or a WW3 simulator imo. I think they need to lean into the global conflict angle more, with more maps like grozny from project reality

[wind shore]

One of my favorite matches in Squad was leading an insurgent mortar team defending against a Desert Storm onslaught for an hour and some change. Some of my favorite fps memories on that game

[slate panther]

The biggest issue imo across this genre, which leads to the walking simulator or vehicle dominance or the teleport meta or new players being lost or whatever else, is that these maps are always far larger than you can reasonably expect 50 people to hold a cohesive frontline on

[silk igloo]

At least it does sometimes happen in HLL. It's quite pretty when neither recon team gets through on a map like Kursk, and the match is lost or won in a slow but steady map-wide struggle instead of teleports and dismantling unguarded spawns.

[slate panther]

This is a large reason i enjoy maps like Kursk and Foy

[wind shore]

go me!

[thin lotus]

The biggest issue with these types of games is that the actual combatting experience isn’t made the priority.
These devs stupidly make “strats” all about essentially gaming poorly implemented systems rather than focusing on making the player v player (shooting eachother) aspect good, let alone fun.

[lucid tusk]

I'd argue that since the infantry overhaul squad has some of the best gunplay I've ever played in a milsim

[thin lotus]

It is, but it’s still secondary to Squads weird gaminess in how you advance and win

Hll needs that’s sort of nuance in its infantry combat. Theres nothing at the moment

[silk igloo]

tbh the frontline can exist only because it's so easy to shoot human waves. if shooting was more realistic, people wouldn't die so easily and more of that human wave would get through.

[analog apex]

for instance?
I am just geniuenly interested on your opinion... just asking

[wind shore]

what engine does squad run on? their own? cus i couldnt bare it for more than an hour

never played a shooter who felt this bad

[thin lotus]

It’d make the lack of red garries much more manageable because you could then introduce nuance to how you advance as infantry. Everything wouldn’t be so one-and-done

[thin lotus]

Shooting doesn’t have to become more realistic

[analog apex]

yep I get that, but how to do it
how specifically would you go about it

[heady hornet]

20 bullets to kill a player.

[thin lotus]

The simplest way is making players more resilient to gunfire, if only slightly more.

It has to be enough to where it isn’t predominantly “my auto rifle one shots to 100m”

Or
“My semi auto rifle one shots to 200m”

[ebon zephyr]

ue4 they're porting squad over to ue5 atm

[wind shore]

thats what makes HLL fun

[thin lotus]

That is ridiculously shallow (and easy) if you want any shred of infantry combat nuance

[wind shore]

how can you make UT feel so bad then lmao

[analog apex]

meh 👎

[ebon zephyr]

I think squad is fun and has it's place the game play is just a lot slower.

[finite berry]

Unreal Engine 4.

[ebon zephyr]

i mean squad 44 ui is terrible i agree but you have to remember that both games started out as a mod

i think the modern squad ai is quite good in some ways better than hll

[ebon zephyr]

While i agree with this i also understand they want to discourage redeploying seeing as tickets are very important and can make or break games.

[finite berry]

Wouldn't that turn HLL into something like Battlefield? From the feeling of combat

[ebon zephyr]

I think HLL already feels like playing battlefield on hardcore mode tbh

if you compare it to more milsim titles like arma and squad

[finite berry]

Yes, but if you basically gave players hitpoints, where would even be the difference aside from a more elaborate spawn system?

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, we literally saw this happening in u8

Limb reduced damage is dumb however.

[thin lotus]

U8 disaster was compounded by servers crapping on themselves. People attributed packet loss and dcing players soaking shots as due to the reduction in lower arm damage

[cosmic pilot]

Having more player health states than alive or downed I could get behind.
For example, getting hit in the leg forces your prone until you're healed or getting hit in the arm disables ads until you are healed.

[thin lotus]

We also learned that hll players are garbage fps players

[analog apex]

getting hit to the arms = no ADS available

[cosmic pilot]

Abusing left lean at 160m to absorb 4 rifle hits is dumb

[silk igloo]

Having limbs lose functionality of moving and using items sounds fun. Healing them would make as much sense as reviving, but at least poor shots wouldn't be rewarded as much.

[cosmic pilot]

You could extend the system to shrapnel hits as well

Because if we're being honest, AOE is the most common reason to take partial damage but is the least common way to take damage

[thin lotus]

This ONLY works if damage is reduced from what it is now.
You cannot have intermediate states of woundedness unless the bullets are no longer “one shots until x meters”

[cosmic pilot]

I mean, you can implement it now with no other changes.

But then you're just not realizing the full potential of the system

Or it has an uneven application into the game

Which isn't the worst thing

[silk igloo]

Could tweak AoEs so that they wound at a much bigger area but kill at a lesser, with heaviest explosions having a small AoE that wounds through everything. I figure having the defenders be alive but largely disabled would make it easier to attack than a point that gets instantly replenished by fresh troops. And that wooden fence wouldn't shield people from artillery anymore.

[slate panther]

You underestimate just how forgiving hll hitboxes arw

[pine breach]

Skill issue skill issue skill issue!!

What were we talking about? I haven't read the conversation yet.

[thin lotus]

No you cannot. Shots to your hand are currently coded as part of the “kills up to x meters”. If you want intermediate woundedness, you need to reduce the damage output

[slate panther]

RO2s does a good job at this by giving hitboxes to vital organs. A dead center shot will drop a player, as you'd expect, but if you knick someone on the side of their torso they will survive

[slate panther]

Giving arms hitboxes would also be a good start

(And properly having them penetrate this time)

[silk igloo]

the thought of slowly cycling a bolt action with one hand and no legs, and pointing it at the door from the hip

[arctic rampart]

Okay buddy, time to wrap it up

[slate panther]

Its just a fleshwound

[thin lotus]

Despite RO2 players being more resilient to damage, it felt much better than what hll has coded in how damage works. RO2 felt much more grounded and “human” like

[wind shore]

so like everyone has to be that noob that prones when he gets a shot in the legs so you can easily finish him?

[thin lotus]

HLL’s U8 had forearm damage be able to take 1 extra shot and HLL players were freaking the hell out. That’s how bad hll players are

[wind shore]

is prones even a word idk

[thin lotus]

There’s STILL people who think hll has a separate arm damage values, they still say things like “one shot center of mass”

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[wind shore]

that will surely make things... more fun....

[slate panther]

I distinctly remember this being broken

[silk igloo]

That'd be two shots from the current one, and you'd still have a chance if you happen to fall in grass, behind a wall or if your teammate shoots the enemy.

[slate panther]

You need to give me a reason to not merk myself so I can respawn with no debuffs

[wind shore]

the AWP gameplay is the only reason this game is fun

at that moment, they realized its the same as the AWP

[thin lotus]

That’s the intangible hurdle that devs cannot fix

[wind shore]

needs no fixing

this is a good shooter, compared to bulletdrop garbage

[thin lotus]

“I like shooting guy once and him falling to ground” isn’t something you can convince changing out of someone.

[wind shore]

PUBG is garbage

[slate panther]

bullet drop garbage
That's a new one

[arctic rampart]

+rep agreed

[wind shore]

yall just have no aim so you want that everyone is on par with no aim

simple

[slate panther]

Ro2 takes more aim

[thin lotus]

Hll is a very mechanically easy shooter, most of its players probably enjoy that.

[slate panther]

Actually the vast majority of games take more aim

F***ing battlefield takes more aim

[wind shore]

i never have negative k/d bois. cant remember the last game i had it.

[silk igloo]

are the guns in pubg even zeroed at all?

[wind shore]

NEVER

if you have negative k/d in this game then clearly its mechanically too hard for you

[thin lotus]

Hll players are that bad at fps, there’s no other excuse

Going negative in hll is insane

[wind shore]

just filtering out people with bad aim LARPing its easy

gotta let them know having negativ k/d in this game is problematic to the point id consider retiring from shooters alltogether

[slate panther]

Are the guns in hll?

[silk igloo]

they should be zeroed to 100m, but i think some british guns are either misaligned or zeroed further

[slate panther]

Are their iron sight still f**ked?

[silk igloo]

iirc if you aim at the top of the head at 50m with a 1911, the bullet flies over it. yes.

[cosmic pilot]

That would only happen if you're out of bandages and have no friendlies nearby

Otherwise, feel free to redeploy

[thin lotus]

Forcing prone would be incredibly stupid. Same as preventing ads entirely

[analog apex]

that is your opinion, not a fact and I guess we disagree with it

[silk igloo]

What if it's only on thigh shots that now kill you instead. Isn't that resilience?

[cosmic pilot]

Why

[ashen rain]

Howdy everyone

[analog apex]

if not forced prone, easily make it forced no sprint, nor running... could be some slower walking to simulate limping

[quiet field]

hello boys

[analog apex]

hi there Sam,... I am Sam 😄

[thin lotus]

It’s stupid because it’s backwards game design. You’re better off now shooting targets in the leg because thats now more effective than outright killing them

[quiet field]

nice to meet you sam , my name is sam

[thin lotus]

You’re also then essentially forcing the target to now select to redeploy anyway. It’s just a jarring and inelegant way of adding wounded states

Hll already has this problem with its infantry combat. Why headshot someone and send him immediately to a respawn screen without delay, rather than down him and have him wait in holding down “redeploy” button

[sacred pier]

Hello guys.
Can someone explain to me shortly, in Skirmish, I just made 8 garries as DE but as US it seas "Item Limit 6"

[cosmic pilot]

Why would shooting someone in the leg be better than killing them

[analog apex]

it's just bugged counter... the same as many other things are bugged in HLL

[thin lotus]

Because you’re essentially rendering the target useless without killing him. That is the better option for the shooter to now do with such a system

[cosmic pilot]

If he's useless but providing cap weight he's not useless

So it's still better to kill someone

[thin lotus]

Whataboutism

It’s still incredibly inelegant way to do wounded states

[analog apex]

☝️ also, nothing's forcing him to bandage straight away

[cosmic pilot]

Make a suggestion of how you would do it.
Except you can't

[silk igloo]

Even completely immobile you could still hold the spot for others, after returning fire and killing the shooter. I'd take that chance any time over getting killed outright.

[analog apex]

he just wants bullet sponges to be running around obviously

[cosmic pilot]

No, he just wants to ohk everyone else because he's such a good fps player while he can absorb everyone's bullets

[thin lotus]

Exaggerating my point is weird

[analog apex]

well 2 hits or 3 hits, doesn't make too much differece

[silk igloo]

Depends on the terrain of course. If I'm running up to the windmills and get immobilized, I can still return plenty of fire. If I get immobilized in some useless corner, not so much

[thin lotus]

Sure does with hll players, check u8

Not for me though, I had no issues with the forearm being able to take an extra shot, I don’t suck at fps

[analog apex]

neither do I

[sacred pier]

i just checked the other side and was also 6.
In the last game i managed to put 8.

This means once the bug appears, its for both sides? but the normal number is 8 garry, right?

[analog apex]

some maps have bugged those counters

but we are suppsed to be able to build just 6

the devs haven't seemed to care to fix it in the latest update

[sacred pier]

did u ever experianced it? if yes, do you know, if one side allows lets say 8, the other also?

[analog apex]

yes, it acts always the same on those bugged maps

[covert elbow]

Was reading through the chat and thought I’d advertise this

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1320694015779405875

[thin comet]

in this regard chum is right, you could practically slow the enemy team to a crawl without killing them.. and keep them pinned at that point.
It's like waiting for a medic.. it's more of a detriment to the team in most situations than it is to just respawn and be back in the area within 60 seconds.

[slate panther]

On a tangent: this is actually part of the rationale for modern rifle rounds. Why design a round to guarantee a kill when wounding them will not only incapacitated the target, but slow their allies as well.

[thin lotus]

Hlls headshots is backwards as well. Why deliberately go for headshots when that immediately sends the target to the respawn screen without any delay, putting them back in the fight quicker.
You’re better off body shot (downing) them because that’s more of a respawn delay, and it’s an easier shot to take.

Hll is backwards fps thru and thru, its infantry combat dynamic make no sense

[covert elbow]

B-b-b-bu-but muh ding noise

[thin comet]

besides rn if you injure someone rather than kill, they can possibly just keep going, and survive, however if you did hinder them for the injury, you may aswell just kill them, as they are near enough going to be shot again at that point being slower... unless you prefer slowing down your opponent at that point.

[slate panther]

Since the enemy can redeploy faster than it takes to bleed out and since respawns are on waves, the difference it makes is fairly miniscule

[covert elbow]

I think we all need to hear the holy truth again

“Change one thing, you must change all.”

So just assume when people make a suggestion they also have other ideas for how to change other mechanics to match

[thin comet]

the biggest issue is that they can change too much at once

you can't balance if you go too far with it, small changes can make a difference and do add up

but that went on deaf ears, as whenever a change is made like anything, they usually go too far

[slate panther]

It is fairly silly to start off with "it shouldn't be as easy to put a garrison behind the enemy" and then go onto an elaborate web of untested, theoretical reworks when there are much simpler ways to mitigate them.

Does it not seem significantly more straightforward to simply remove airheads and supply drops in the red zone?

[thin comet]

but atleast one specific map practically requires it

[covert elbow]

It’s sad to because if they just stayed in early access for more then a year these issues all could have been solved

But since we’re in full release it’s pretty much impossible for big changes to go through

[thin comet]

but yeah no point in debating it as it's not much different than it was back then, and there were some good ideas floating around back then too

[slate panther]

BM had given up way before then and were not receptive to feedback

[covert elbow]

Yes! This exactly! It’s what I’ve been saying for years!

[covert elbow]

Yea

[thin comet]

just the devs decided to stick with how they had done it, and Team17 just left it at that

[covert elbow]

The actually holy truth is this game should have never been made lmao

[slate panther]

A much more isolated knock-on effect

[thin comet]

thats daft, i mean despite the criticisms, especially from those that have been doing so continually for years at this point, they still play the game, and intruth HLL is still more fun than most of the crap produced.

[slate panther]

Plus remagen needs work anyway

Hell the map may play better if you had to actually take the bridge

[thin comet]

I used to play older shooters, from Delta Force, old COD's, Battlefield 2/3, Crysis, GRAW, but now they are mostly for the ADHD crowd.

[covert elbow]

HLL is playable and with a group can be fun but after so long as a solo player the game can become just… really unfun

[thin comet]

HLL feels more akin to past games in a way, and with the larger amount of players, is something i;ve been wanting since 150 player servers in an old International Conflict Mod for Joint Operations.

[covert elbow]

Weird and awkward mechanics, dying way to easily, basically no communication except in command chat where everyone is just talking and not giving call outs, etc it just looses its charm after a while

[thin comet]

i mostly play as a solo SL.

[covert elbow]

It’s a fun 50 hour experience but after that it’s eh

Most people join for the tik tok “saving private ryan” moments anyways

[thin comet]

tho mostly i'm very much on and off, it's still a better FPS than what exists today for me, but certainly not something that keeps me playing

[novel geyser]

totes ptsd my slime

[covert elbow]

I cannot describe how much I hate people overlaying audio or video of WW2 films (saving Private Ryan, BoB, and Hacksaw Ridge) on HLL

[thin lotus]

BOB theme plays over reading patch notes YouTube video

[thin comet]

@worthy charm i tend to do more than full squads, since typically players like to run away from the enemy in this game.

especially when they are attacking in force.

[worthy charm]

The map can be really fun and most of the times in pub games the cliff isnt even such a big advantage. If recon v2 gives us the possiblity to set where the hardcap goes it would be insane.

[covert elbow]

It’s all matter of opinion at some point but I will say. “Fun” and “well made game” do not always go together. I have played absolute slop games that are horribly designed but I can still find enjoyment out of

[analog apex]

lol
SQ44 is having its roadmap stream tomorrow... I am eager to see and compare the amount of stuffs with HLL's one and overall

[covert elbow]

Just because HLL can be fun doesn’t mean it’s well made

[covert elbow]

Same. Gonna tune in for that and check up on the game

[thin lotus]

Look
Maybe…
Just maybe…
HLL was always going to be a mid-at-best game

[novel geyser]

I literally just reinstalled it today to give it a go haha

[thin comet]

well when you compare it to say Battlefield, where on some maps, both teams are entirely made up of snipers, it kinda sums up what HLL is up against.

[novel geyser]

only thing thats really a problem with s44 is getting populated servers and the damn stuttering

[thin comet]

and no, i ain't kidding.

[worthy charm]

Your fine man, im just kidding😅 I dont really care how people play the game, as long they are decent humans while doing so.

[slate panther]

Or it means our conception of what makes a good game is incomplete

[covert elbow]

Speaking of I’ve been playing a lot more BF1, BF2, and BFV lately and it’s been a blast

[thin comet]

the biggest problem as always, is the players, and how they either wander behind enemy lines doing practically f all, or spawn on a single garrison and follow a single path like lemmings

[covert elbow]

True. Most suggestions I’ve seen that are labeled as “bad” are mainly from people who haven’t looked that far into the game

They just see the surface level and think adding or making this thing would be cool. Artillery for example

I guarantee you the people who want to keep arty guns on the map haven’t played the game to much or play artillery religiously

[covert elbow]

I would agree but for HLL it’s more so the devs fault then the players tbh

Especially with how big the maps are Christ

[thin comet]

nothing wrong with big maps, it's one thing i have missed, Joint Operations you could practically go anywhere, but it's about focusing the players

they do whats easiest

if they can sit in a bush with marshmallows and shoot the odd guy that runs past, they will

[covert elbow]

Agreed but HLL’s are waaaaaay to big

It’s super hard to keep a frontline because of it. And with how easy it is to get red garrisons up leads to unfun matches most of the time

[thin comet]

not really, like i said Joint Operations was a 64 player game, but had bigger maps than this, however was a whole lot of nuthin past a certain point

[covert elbow]

Oh that was a game? My mistake I thought you meant the concept haha

[slate panther]

Many are surface level, others are an extremely narrow focus on a few priorities. For the people, including myself, who insist that the game is fundamentally rotten, we have to answer the question "wait, why is this working?"

[novel geyser]

I think the map size is worse with offensive, the fact the timer has to restart back to 30minutes every time just to give attackers enough time to make it to the point if they dont already have the magical tables up is a big problem

[finite berry]

Same, so excited :D And they just released a hotfix fixing multiple crash issues, optimised the gore system, added Linux support, updated EAC, fixed multiple issues with tank rounds doing no damage that were prevalent for years. And that was just a hotfix :D So excited for the roadmap :D:D:D

[thin comet]

yeah still going afaik, but very limited, it's old, but it was fun, bigger maps can work, it's just with this, players lose focus, and decide to do whatever is easiest, making maps smaller to counter that would only lose the feel HLL has, and start making it more akin to battlefield, which isn't all that good anymore

[covert elbow]

Yea. HLL’s biggest issue was the whole “Battlefield mixed with ARMA/Squad” lie

Oh you changed it

[thin comet]

i have a habit of updating and adding more

[covert elbow]

Honestly HLL’s player count should be bigger, even though it’s impossible technical wise

It allows for more squad types, bigger tank crews, more consistent frontline, etc

Only having 50 Vs. 50 is just to little

Plus more = players more people to help guide players into where they need to go

[slate panther]

You would also need to rework the already strained command chat system

[covert elbow]

And squad system

[slate panther]

And would risk the game becoming unplayable in certain regions.
Smaller maps strikes me as a more sound approach

[thin comet]

i'd defo like more players, Joint Operations Internal Conflict Mod went upto 150, but back then was as laggy as hell.

[thin comet]

a temp mute option is req

[covert elbow]

Honestly having all the squads be tied to a channel would be nice

Or maybe even going more into realism and having actual platoons instead of rifle squads

[finite berry]

So that all players can speak there?

[covert elbow]

With all the squad’s having an SL who talks to a platoon leader, who can then talk to other platoon leaders and the commander

[covert elbow]

No I mean individual squad frequencies

[finite berry]

Sorry, could you please elaborate?

[covert elbow]

Like if you want to talk to squad 7 you tune into frequency 7

[thin comet]

hard to get a decent SL and commander

goodluck with platoon leader

[covert elbow]

But your only talking to that squad and not the entire team at once

[finite berry]

Ah, yeah.

Yeah, that would be nice.

[raw halo]

Yo when do we get tobruk?

[covert elbow]

#telegrams message

[cinder bridge]

surely there can be more acknowledgement of the competitive scene other than a war correspondent's hosted tank battle on the Q&A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIkwoqxomEc

350k views ^

[oak current]

A good way of handling things

[lucid tusk]

I've been playing a lot of 2042 lately, I bought it a few weeks ago for $5, i hate to say I'm having a little bit of fun with it

[covert elbow]

I redownloaded it since I got it free on PS+ and I didn’t like it

It’s just weird

[lucid tusk]

I have a bad obsession with jet powered VTOL aircraft, it has one, i fly it and I'm happy

[covert elbow]

The UI is funky, maps are huge with no cover, there’s so much going on with weapons, etc

If it just had a better UI I might like it better

[covert elbow]

Dude this isnt really related but **** helicopters

Every match I was one that had heli’s the guy was destroying with it

[finite berry]

That was something, right?

[lucid tusk]

@covert elbow That'd be me, every battlefield I always ran aircraft, I remember pre nerf going 79-0 with the stuka on hamada breakthrough just annihilating churchills

Also doing A-10 gunruns in BF4, those were the days, had a buddy on the ground always running stingers to get the other jets that tried to tag me

[wind shore]

Speaking of BF, I'm glad I found other titles that can scratch that itch even better due to how they simply stole $100 from me last time

2042 put me into the stages of grieving

[wintry thistle]

New BF will be good. Maybe....

[wind shore]

I'm not falling for that one again

[worthy charm]

Altberg approval achieved.
Checks a box on his things to do list today

[silk igloo]

If tanks were operated by one man, the other crewmen would become infantry. Right now three tanks can have 9 players operating them - reduce it to 3, and you have a whole extra infantry squad in the field. Do the same to arty and logistics and you'll have even more. (i mean reworking the entire game to squeeze more people out of the system to actually fight)

[worthy charm]

The core of every BF is fun, the biggest downsides are the dreadful releases and that they end development far to soon.

I doubt they will ever get as big as their were with BF1.

[pine breach]

Did you know..?

Did. You. Know?

[keen glen]

what

[worthy charm]

The goose is crazy again.

[scenic bronze]

Does anyone have an extra epic games account I can use and buy dlc on??

[uncut panther]

I literally can’t find a populated game on oce servers

[scenic bronze]

my card wont go thru for the accs online

[uncut panther]

Bf 2042

Downloaded it the other day searched 4 times then uninstalled lol

[valid talon]

When will update 17 come out?

[worthy charm]

#telegrams message

[cosmic pilot]

i was promised tobruk QANDA

[wind shore]

I think what I liked about battlefield is what makes me want to stay in HLL and similar shooters because they do whatever that thing is better than BF

[empty steppe]

Atleast we’re getting a new one… that’s hopefully good

I’m still stuck playing bf1 and bfv until a plane or tank with hydraulics the speed of a rocket kills me and I rage quit

[worthy charm]

US planes and their rockets are so op

Its fun to play them tho

Get on on the tank map and annoy the tank players

[empty steppe]

Who decided when they made that game, hey! Tanks should be able to spin there turrets all the way around in 1 second!

Atleast tanks in bf1 you can sneak up on

[empty steppe]

Stupid panzerstorm 😭😭😭

[worthy charm]

I only played either AA tank or heavys so I was mostly fine.

Its funny tho when a pilot gets salty in chat about not being able to do anything because of me.

10/10 would do it again

[empty steppe]

Well playing any form of infantry against vehicles is to painful for me 😭

And my bazooka doing like 35 damage 😭😭😭😭😭

It’s prob just a skill issue

[worthy charm]

Im with you there, never understood how the fliegerfaust worked, my aim most likely was just very bad.

[empty steppe]

Bfv is probably one of the easiest games to get into, but hardest to stay with, like it just gets too sweaty for me 😅

[wind shore]

I couldn't play bf1 because ww1 setting didn't appeal to me. Loved bfv. Then 2042 took food from my kids mouths and I took that personally

The next battlefield, if I even get it, I'll have to watch for about six months. You'd think it would be easy. They had a formula and then one day the formula was seemingly gone

Hello guys!

Happy to see y’all

Really, you should really think that the bf formula is literally so easy. Make a great game without scope glare and unicorns. Plan on supporting the game long term ~10 years. New map packs, weapons, modern realistic skins, new drone warfare items. Boom dude. Bf is back

[empty steppe]

A unique setting would be nice

[wind shore]

Has to be in Europe

[empty steppe]

Anything but modern war zones and ww2 😭

Maybe the next battlefield will be unique

Bf6 has already been leaked

[wind shore]

Or in China dude

[empty steppe]

It doesn’t look bad, reminds me of bf4

[wind shore]

Wasn't bf4 the one that had a lot of guns with the exact same stats?

The pew pew was just shaped different 😭😭 or im thinking of 3

[empty steppe]

Idk

[wind shore]

My fave was bc2. Ghillie suit wasn't even listed on the game. You just magically got it at level 30

[empty steppe]

@wind shore Have you seen the gameplay from the new one?

[wind shore]

I don't wanna get my hopes up dude

[empty steppe]

Oh cmon 😭😂

It looks pretty decent

[wind shore]

Ive already went through the full stages of grief once

I'll go watch but it's not going to excite me

I gotta have a cigarette first

[empty steppe]

🤣

[primal robin]

f

[wind shore]

Im not tapping on these clickbait links on yt. But I see there's Battlefield Labs.

[empty steppe]

I’ll dm you the link then lol, but this is real play-test footage 😂

[wind shore]

I got the link thx 🙏🏻

[empty steppe]

Oh you did? It said it failed

Odd

[wind shore]

Is HLL cross platform yet?

[slate canopy]

Nope, and there is no plans to cross platform.

Just PS4/5 to XBOX, and Steam with Epic and PC Game pass.

[wind shore]

aw :(

[wind shore]

I had a friend of mine say that it won't work with game pass and PC. I know what kind of man he is

[slate canopy]

It does - they just have to play on PC.

[wind shore]

They were playing ARK on PC. Pretending to take care of his baby dinosaurs

Hi, I'm thinking of downloading this game. Is it hard to get all the achievements and or trophies?

I spent three hours at his house watching two grown men pretend to raise dinosaurs on a rented ARK server and I've almost never felt so weird. Smoking a Gandalf pipe full of LongBottom

[slate canopy]

I don't play on XBOX but looking at the list of achievements... a lot of the achievements are basically play the game, you'll get them eventually.

[wind shore]

And they are actually good achievements

[slate canopy]

Win 25 warfare, offensive... kill an enemy, revive a friendly, win a match as axis/allies, 5 matches on X map,

Some are a bit more 'grindy' but even still comes as playing.

Build 100 of each node (3 nodes - part of the engineer class), kill x number of players without dying, career level 10 (20, 30, 40, etc), win 50 skirmish matches, build a forward position

Xbox seems to have more easy achievements than Steam 😆 and I have 96/189 achievements. (I don't achievement hunt, that's just got through playing)

[finite berry]

Yep, pretty much. I wouldn't call it hard, just grindy.

[slate canopy]

From the list I see, It has like "play 5 matches on X map" while steam is 50 lol

Don't miss the free achivements people skip - Go into the firing range, and play every role 😉

[wind shore]

I can't wait to indoctrinate my son with all the games I want to be critically influential to his upbringing. it's gunna be lit

[worthy charm]

Some are easy, others take time and a few are just straight up crazy.

[slate canopy]

Xbox achievements are much easier than Steam. (If this website is accurate: https://www.xboxachievements.com/game/hell-let-loose/achievements )

[worthy charm]

Lol, I only get an error😆

[ionic oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCYQNQV8f-4 king of sanity is the goat

u know it i know it

king of sanity is the goat

[slate canopy]

You can share that in #hll-videos

[buoyant locust]

im not looking for anyone super serious i just want some people to play this game with i cant take joining squads and hearing not a peep for the entire game anymore

[slate canopy]

Have you posted in #pc-looking-for-unit ? Also, a clan may be the environment if you want to go that route, there is #1343090646168240199

[buoyant locust]

thank you dude

[wind shore]

TWEAKING 😆

[ionic oasis]

hehehe

[wind shore]

💀

[ionic oasis]

i dont know what tweaking is

[wind shore]

💀💀

[ionic oasis]

i just know that king of sanity is the mogo tron

[wind shore]

Hang on let my man cook 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[ionic oasis]

through the goul guarded gateways of slumber

past the wan mooned abysses of night

i have lived o'er my lives wihtout number

i have sounded all things with my sight

and i struggle and shriek ere the daybreak

being driven to madness wiht fright

[wind shore]

💀

It's Nosferatu

Noooo

[ionic oasis]

nemesis, close tho

[wind shore]

this discord server makes me smoke cigarettes

[ionic oasis]

mhm

[wind shore]

My dude traveled across the Atlantic in a coffin

To trick some mentally ill hoe

💀

He's a demon

Posted about it in the HLL discord 🤧

[slate canopy]

I'm confused as to what you're talking about... but okay.

Damn youth and their... skibbidi stuff. (I have no clue.)

[wraith edge]

Live now

[slate canopy]

Please don't advertise your twitch in here.

[ionic oasis]

this is not my twitch sir

how do you guys feel about griefers/trolloing

i'm a fan of king of sanity myself

[slate canopy]

I find them not funny or entertaining.

[ionic oasis]

i find them both 😔

just cause it's silly and in a middle ground for me

[slate canopy]

There is innocent trolling... but that's different than griefing.

[ionic oasis]

what's griefing?

[thorny acorn]

purposely making the game less enjoyable for other people

[ionic oasis]

like, teamkilling

[slate canopy]

You're deliberately disrupting or annoy another player's experience. Usually through tk's.

[ionic oasis]

wasting municians,

driving straight into river

all have given me chuckles from time to tiem

[wind shore]

I need to join a division immediately

[slate canopy]

Yeah, that's not funny nor fun to me.

[wind shore]

A division for sure offers protection from this

[thorny acorn]

well #1343090646168240199 might help you

[wind shore]

I think

[slate canopy]

If you want to TK/PK, go to the wilds of Runescape or a PVP game, not HLL.

[wind shore]

Yall did something bad to the king of sanity didn't yall 💀

I'm tempted to watch it but he's just too heinous

[obtuse jetty]

People are so serious in game man

Have some fun

Who cares if you win or lose

[wind shore]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/pure-hyperlight-human-gif-19604527

[ionic oasis]

hehe

erm it's probably not worth it

also just as an outsider, it's seems strange to see people larping in a game as if there soldiers. i get it's like any other form of fantisy engaging in it doesn't mean you'd want to engage in the real life version of it. But to me personally it comes accross as a lot of effort taking something as seriously as that.

[wind shore]

Brothers I also engage in Total War: Rome 2 💀💀 1v1 me

1v1 me in Rome 2 and let's put it on YouTube

Pull up

💀

[wind shore]

If I can get your wife to sleep with me I get to be Rome 🤝🏻 game on

[ionic oasis]

he's on you like a hound dog on pork chops

[wind shore]

put the skin in the game 💀

[maiden gale]

Its funny tking, only way I get people to communicate lol

[wind shore]

Went full joker arc 🤲🏻

[ashen basin]

Its more funny seing you in the Bunker

[ionic oasis]

Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII (2006)

Backloggd
https://backloggd.com › games › blazing-angels-squadro...
Mar 23, 2006 — Liked. Spectre054 · Completed. on. Wii. "He's on ya like a hound dog on a pork chop!" Great memories with my little brother playing this game ...

[wind shore]

I'm too drunk to taste that chicken

[ionic oasis]

why i am also drunk

i also hitted a small md

my flatm8s are useless is why

but still, i wasn't just goingt o invite myself even tho it's also my flat

like had friends round had no explicit invitation to join

this is why i like and relate to black metal

[ionic oasis]

his step dad has just recently died tho n u know, tis what it is so i've got drunk by myself

i hitted micro md by myself

and i found no motivation to do any actual trolling

again abm

if i'm infodumping to much atm just ban me, i must have been banned from between a variety of different servers in excess of 30 times the past month

easily, many of them the same ones alted

i do have friends they just all in relationships

[wind shore]

this has got to be the FED 💀

[ionic oasis]

which is fine but means there spoken for most the time

[ionic oasis]

fed? no sir

i really wish i was stoned / had weed rn

[wind shore]

FED boy

[ashen basin]

🍿

[ionic oasis]

just md and alcohol

[wind shore]

You for sure the FED 💀💀

[ionic oasis]

😦

[ashen basin]

What ya drinking hope it's nice n strong 💪

[ionic oasis]

I'm doing reet actually jus tired

ahha good questio