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visual niche
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Surprisingly no hahah

worthy charm
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lol ok

proven plume
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Can’t wait till they add aircraft and warships

analog apex
proven plume
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It’s in the roadmap

analog apex
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yet
and it was not in any of the previous ones either

worthy charm
analog apex
worthy charm
proven plume
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Just a little nutmeg and the one the elf in my pantry showed me

visual niche
worthy charm
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yeah youre right

wind shore
worthy charm
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xD just kidding

visual niche
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I'm watching a Tobruk stream rn

thin lotus
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The patch notes for this flamethrower buff is unironically funny as hell

visual niche
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The church tower looks like the perfect spot for a scoped kar98

analog apex
thin lotus
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Like if there’s anything more needed to show how out of touch the team is lol

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Goodness me, the flamethrower is now SAVED

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Ammocrates might be the funniest

analog apex
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I don't get how they even dare to publish such news statement without any shame

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not the best display of the new CM either

arctic rampart
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Ah meh' Benny boy's got nothing much to do with it. He's got like 5 games under his belt, maybe soon another 5. Then he'll understand why we're memeing the flamethrower destroying ammo crates

analog apex
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well, he is the official full time HLL CM now, isn't he? At least that's what we were promised to get.
So I expect a much higher frequency of the engagement with community and news-making from him.

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but from how it has looked, he seems to regard his HLL community management just as a job, the same as Greg had been, without any real pasion for the game or playing it

arctic rampart
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Besides the posts, which are cool ig.
He's just in here PR talking 😄

analog apex
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right

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I assume we won't see any difference between him and Greg

thin lotus
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Just make sure he never utters "watch this space"

arctic rampart
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I would post a gif about walking through a mine field, but it's still the DPRK in here

blissful nacelle
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Why did I get steam achievements called "??" "???" "????" "?????" has anyone else got these

proven plume
blissful nacelle
finite berry
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And because the map isn't out yet, there are ??? set as placeholders for the achievements

proven plume
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No for real I’m looking for the server that would have then n can’t find it lol

arctic rampart
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Then just read and you'll find it

analog apex
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the HLL PTEs run on Steam

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only the Steam players have access to the HLL PTE client I believe

wind shore
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Nodes are gonna get raped now

analog apex
wind shore
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Just redeploy and walk over

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You can get the flamethrower by like 20 mins in bobs server no?

analog apex
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and then again... it's definitely faster to destroy the nodes with satchel when it comes to the time taken for the player required actions to do it

Flamethrower: redeploy as one -> get to the nodes -> stay there to press and hold fire button for god knows how long before killing all 3 nodes > redeploy back
Satchel loadout: redeploy as one -> plant satchel -> redeploy back immediately, no need to stay there

wind shore
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Satchel is definitely king

hardy oasis
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It's definitely still a highly specialised, and hard to use, tool the flamethrower, but a bit of added utility should at least make it slightly more viable tool

analog apex
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I don't see it that way at all

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because I know how the players (most usually) think

wind shore
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Flamethrower useless. Why i should just break game mechanics with it? It’s same as garrisons burning, nothing interesting. Just garrisons disappear “OH HOW COOL, Table dissapear! What’s cool things fm makes!”

hardy oasis
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The satchel will always be king no doubt. But I'm hoping there will be more improvements to the flamethrower in the future

wind shore
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Oh the tent burnt ! Or fuel station just burned! Cool . (no)

nova pivot
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It's a fkgn flamethrower Shoot fire, Burn people, shoot fire, ... What more do you want?

analog apex
wind shore
nova pivot
wind shore
hardy oasis
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The flamethrower is a personal favorite so for the average flamethrower enjoyer it at least gives them something else to burn

analog apex
hardy oasis
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I would like an extra 5 meters on its range though

wind shore
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The usual distance for friendly infantry it’s close to 20 metres, but to meet enemy on that distance it could be situative

nova pivot
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If you can burn people at a greater distance it would be better, that's true.

analog apex
arctic rampart
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Gotta' love the new guys. Always crack me up

wind shore
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It could be useful now only on 1 map, Hürtgen night

hardy oasis
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The physics would be hard to implement i think but the other points are interesting

analog apex
wind shore
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Flamethrowers is sh*t

hardy oasis
analog apex
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well... it disappears in the air without the firing fluid landing on the ground

nova pivot
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It doesn't make sense

analog apex
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yep it doesn't

wind shore
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So really wasting here discussing sh***y gun, gonna go to play test

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Wasting hours on sh** things like flamethrowers

hardy oasis
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Ah interesting, I agree i think it should have a full arc

nova pivot
wind shore
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Really, so many times asked about it

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It’s simply wasting time

analog apex
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yep many times asked about it, but now the devs decided to do something with it
they just did it in the most wrong way possible as they didn't touch the behavior of the flamethrower or of the fire at all
hence the reason for discussing it again... now

wind shore
hardy oasis
sand willow
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Peepeepoopoo

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Yeah I said it

subtle cloak
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Quick question, anyone had any loss of RP progress? i've been trying to level up sniper, I was on 80,000 out of 110, 000 for level 5 and it's gone down after about 10 games as sniper to 16,000, any ideas?

arctic rampart
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I had a bit of normal level issues a while back, but since then it's magically disappeared. Besides that, nothing in regards to role xp

analog apex
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I believe we have seen the XP problems a while back so I am (actually not) surprised they haven't fixed it yet

wind shore
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is there Tobruk skirmish also?

humble perch
wind shore
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I meant maybe other conditions

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Have not seen it yet

analog apex
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I do not fancy SKIRMISH, but I am surprised the Soviets have no SKIRMISH "map" at all yet

wind shore
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I’m about weather , I thought it had different weather on Tobruk

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Dusk also , dawn I have seen

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Also I want to see night Tobruk

wind shore
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I Never play skirmish

nova pivot
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Or better yet, whatever we ask them they don't do, let's ask them for things we don't want.

wind shore
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But would love to see night Tobruk also

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Thank you for taking part in the Hell Let Loose PTE.
o7
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youre welcome

novel geyser
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the character gibbing is still broken womp womp

keen yoke
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Have any of you actually... used the flame thrower? Its a complete waste of a weapon.

visual niche
keen yoke
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Its the hardest weapon specific unlock in the game, has absolutely no redeeming factors, has shorter range than a shotgun, slow moving fire, inconsistent hit register, and a nearly 3 second brace time.

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And despite all that, I still have the achievements for 100 kills with it, and 20 in a round. I am the authoritative source on all matters flame thrower and I can absolutely confirm that having the ability to break nodes will not increase its usefulness at all

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It needs either:

  1. Remove the brace time and allow it to fire 'hip'
  2. Increase the speed of the flames and range
  3. Reduce it to a level 3 or 5 unlock and increase the after burn
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@fluid pawn I have given you the choices, I will leave it to you to solve.

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Personally as a completely biased long time player of hell let loose, I'd choose both 1 and 2. But thats just me

cosmic pilot
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also, speak truth to power ✊

keen yoke
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The fact that it takes almost 10 seconds to turn around while braced should be enough

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The greyhound has a faster turret turning than an actual man

cosmic pilot
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the flames also disappear at a set distance if you aim up to try and get more range

wind shore
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i like the map but sadly larp loadouts

visual niche
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I'm guessing no gammon bombs? 🥺 👉 👈

thin lotus
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T17 continues to be unintentionally hilarious with how clueless they are

keen yoke
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I think they should keep that as a buff but still actually buff it

lucid tusk
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Whatch them not be able to buff the range as they don't know how to render the fire sprite further

wind shore
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New tanks coming with Tobruk

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For Germans

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Just North African expansion

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Sd Kfz 222 to use it in Tobruk, and motorcycles with MG34

unreal bear
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i want the flamethrower fast but i dont have 15 bucks for bob the builder

wind shore
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It’s free on Bob

thin lotus
keen yoke
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Unironically the only positive is destroying nodes

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because those take so long to break

wind shore
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I better take satchel and destroy them

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Or just do it by hands

wind shore
keen yoke
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same chance you would as any other class

thin lotus
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get that flamethrower, i found a node.
things that will never happen

unreal bear
cosmic pilot
wind shore
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I think, we should wait just for 2026

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To see the new content

novel geyser
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2026 is when tobruk will finally drop tho

twin crow
covert elbow
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Y’know I wouldn’t be suprised if they can’t change the flamethrowers range or mechanics due to BM’s code

thin lotus
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2026 is pacific

novel geyser
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I hear that if you ask for the pacific enough it will suddenly show up

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so dont stop suggesting it and it will finally come true 💪

unreal bear
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is there any more tactics to get my support to 8 pls i want the flamethrower

novel geyser
cosmic pilot
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just write new code

covert elbow
wind shore
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I want eastern front

unreal bear
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but i need to be 50 lv or i need to buy their 15 bucks patreon

wind shore
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When we get normal map for it

novel geyser
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cant change how the gamemode strong point system works its hard coded Mendez

keen yoke
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considering theres 50 people on a full team, 4 of which are recon and live inside the enemy HQ basically and 1 which is commanding the game, theres 45 people that realistically will come across non HQ nodes. Now lets assume that there is the standard chance of someone having a flamethrower based upon the steam achievement percentage (between 0.05 and 0.01%) which gives you no more than 400-2000 people on earth who own the flame thrower, now lets assume that out of the likely less than 7 support players on your team, one happen to be one of those guys with the flamethrower, we are left with one person on a team, with a map size usually in the Kilometers, to find nodes the size of boxes, and get close enough (less than 5 meters) to effectively burn them. This buff will amount to occasions that are so rare, they are worth clipping and uploading as highlights.

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I wouldn't have typed any of this out if not for Hyrum

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I only know the flamethrower achievement percentage because I happen to be in that 0.01%

wind shore
keen yoke
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congrats you're also one of the losers that spent probably in excess of 100 hours grinding it

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or like a loser on an XP farming server

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either way we lose

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Whats also funny is that 14.3% of people have the achievement for dying to a flamethrower, the majority of people who have played this game, have either never seen or never died to one. Which is absolutely hilarious because about the same amount of people have killed 10 vehicles.

wind shore
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Really , Tobruk is cool with out new content, I really don’t need STG 44 there

keen yoke
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The rarest achievment in the game by far, excluding the new ones, is for reaching lvl 10 medic. The 3rd rarest being for killing over 1000 enemies with the flamethrower, followed by 500 enemies.

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It is likely that less than 5 people on earth have either of those achievements.

wind shore
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Some people were saying that 1942 is old , etc , no STG and panther tanks , so. We don’t need a panther there

keen yoke
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Im actually motivated to get lvl 10 medic now

novel geyser
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I hate the dumb filler achivements tbh

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getting 100 kills or 100 revives in one life type of thing, its clearly possible but seems extremely tedious
Im glad Im not a completionist

thin lotus
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Run over 10 enemies with the jeep in one life

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Kill ten enemies with the Molotov in one life

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These are actually impossible

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In normal circumstances

neon glen
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when are we going to get the Pacific Theater?

novel geyser
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molotovs stay losing
does anyone actually use them outside of the larp

wintry thistle
thin lotus
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It means not only do you need to get kills with the Molotov, you also have to resupply then go back out there and get more kills, all within one life

keen yoke
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I could see it being possible hitting a spawn garrison

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but only if the enemy team is backtracking after losing a spawn garrison and spawns and has no other spawns

covert elbow
keen yoke
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I use them as impact grenades

novel geyser
keen yoke
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thats their only viability

neon glen
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I run molotovs for area denial

novel geyser
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they just have less throwing range to regular nades and a tiny aoe

covert elbow
covert elbow
keen yoke
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then the flamethrower would be good against tabks >:)

covert elbow
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But their an indie studio so we can’t expect much

novel geyser
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even for area denial its such a rare senario to need them really

neon glen
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molotovs are grwat for vehilces in real life as it cuts off the oxygen to the engine

keen yoke
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Was that sarcasm

covert elbow
keen yoke
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okay good I almost got rage baited

covert elbow
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And in reference to BM

novel geyser
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honestly would be cool if flamethrowers could also do some damage to tanks in some way

covert elbow
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Also I’ve been hearing good things about Tobruk. Hope it plays better then it looks

novel geyser
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probably similar chip damage to them

thin lotus
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"Please vote for HLL for the Labor of Love category"

keen yoke
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Lmao

thin lotus
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😬

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they did this every year

keen yoke
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vote every year goes to no mans sky

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only game that deserves it

novel geyser
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server browser still freezes the game for a minute or two when loading

keen yoke
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also the cilantro in my salad is ruining my day

novel geyser
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I havent touched this game since mid last year

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0 updates during that time I assume

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well asside from the elsenborn ridge one ig

keen yoke
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I actually love the skirmish maps wish they were more common

covert elbow
covert elbow
novel geyser
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I played it a bit in the pte I think but never played it when it dropped

covert elbow
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This is T17’s apparent strength, map design

novel geyser
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tobruk seems good from the little I've played

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its just yknow, visually kinda lacking

covert elbow
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Yea just weird how it’s so bad looking

keen yoke
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All they have to do is slightly improve the left over dogwater gun implementations from BM and I'd play a lot more

novel geyser
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they seem to be trying some interesting gimmicks for areas, the caves, rooftop fighting stuff like that
BM just liked their open fields ig

covert elbow
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Usually this stuff is already finished when the PTE releases but guess not this time

covert elbow
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Literally copy and paste

novel geyser
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BM had the graphics but not the gameplay design

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HLL won because its looks pretty
but a polished turd is still a turd Mendez

covert elbow
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Yea lmao

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And not even that haha

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Going back to the BM maps they look terrible on a glance

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It’s super low quality

novel geyser
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probably some of the better looking environments I've seem come from a game like this
though its up against squad 44 for comparison really

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somehow that game runs worse than HLL for me

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also just straight up the best character models for the most part. Something T17 again struggles to replicate sometimes

covert elbow
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Yea

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These new uniforms are China repro quality sometimes

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And I mean that litteraly. That new US Commander helmet is awful

novel geyser
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Im just screaming they keep a consistent standard for what should be free and what should be paid, nothing annoys me more than standard uniforms that should just be part of the game for free being paid DLC
Im fine with more out there flashy cosmetics as long as THOSE are the paid items.

lucid tusk
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The oakleaf/dak cap are the worst offenders imo, why do they look like leather?

novel geyser
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yeah whoever does the texturing doesnt quite have it down I think. You can see it with some of the map assets too for the newer maps. Weirdly flat and blurry in a way I cant really put my finger on it

covert elbow
wind shore
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Hey , how can I join the tank event?

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Today

blissful garden
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Why'd I get 6 "???" achievements on steam???

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they're no joke literally called question marks

worthy charm
blissful garden
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and somehow .7% of players have it

blissful garden
worthy charm
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Just ignore them

blissful garden
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is tobruk out?

worthy charm
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Yeah that sht is bugged

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nah only on the PTE for testint

blissful garden
blissful garden
worthy charm
blissful garden
oak current
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@plush gazelle

plush gazelle
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bruh

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@oak current

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BERG

oak current
plush gazelle
oak current
plush gazelle
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what want

cyan saddle
ornate pasture
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as an epic games peasant, is there any way to play the PTE?

past vortex
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no

covert elbow
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So how “early access” was this update anyways? Couple weeks? Couple months?

oak current
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Early Access Update? wut?

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Do you mean when the Map is actually gonna release to the regular, public version? 👀

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In that case, its unknown, since no U17 date was mentioned

covert elbow
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It looks like something from the PS2 battlefields

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They said it’s not the finished map but from the past experience of almost every PTE there aren’t many changes to the map from the PTE to release

ornate pasture
oak current
thorny acorn
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drunk hll suggestion, add the ability to drink molotovs

covert elbow
thorny acorn
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or throw bazooka ammo at enemy

covert elbow
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I’m happy the map plays well but I don’t want to play it if it looks like that

oak current
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Also looks stunning in my opinion. Did you not enjoy playing it either?

past vortex
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only saw 2 vids but i gotta say it doesnt look good

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at least partly

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the buildings look sterile

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almoste as bad as squad 44

oak current
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Looking at WW2 picture of Tobruk - I dont think you'll see much change in the near or far future on how their buildings look.

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but then again, PTE, so we'll see what the future holds.

oak current
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damn thats one ugly looking screenshot

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yeah fair enough, with that visual, I'd be worried aswell 😄

covert elbow
past vortex
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yea its really as bad as s44

visual niche
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They should add Roman legionary cosmetics because the Romans had a fortress in Tobruk

covert elbow
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Funny

visual niche
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Or should I say.. Antipyrgus 😏

wind shore
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They lived near , in pyramids. So I think they were in Tobruk and should have place in game

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🐪 🐫

visual niche
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Well I don't think pyramids were for living persay but I get your point

wind shore
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Imagine you riding a camel on Tobruk , in Kheops commander skin

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And your engineers delivering big sand plates to defensive point

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Starting a sandstorm and you dying from starfing run

past vortex
lime umbra
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How do I get access to the PTE server/app? I can't find it on the Steam store. Thanks!

wind shore
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If you have hell let loose, you also will have Hell let Loose public testing

lime umbra
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I' not seeing it in my library, I tried uninstalling/reinstalling and have made sure I'm looking at the full list

wind shore
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Open the game in steam

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After you will find it

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In library exactly, in hell let loose

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@lime umbra

visual niche
lime umbra
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I'm opening from Steam, it just won't show for me for some reason

finite berry
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Sometimes it's hidden

wind shore
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I have seen a cave in Tobruk

lime umbra
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Found it!

wind shore
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And found Indianas Jones hat

visual niche
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Just testing something dont mind me

wind shore
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Okay

wind shore
visual niche
wind shore
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I lost as commander yesterday I’m hungry

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Tobruk?

dusty mason
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I hate team killers a tanker killed me while I was trying to get a ride on his tank

neat garnet
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Any new outfits with tobruk

prisma bramble
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Happy Valentine’s Day everyone if you don’t have somebody to spend it with show love to your friends and family

worn wren
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Hey guys I just launched HLL for the first time in months and for some reason i got 8 achievements just for launching it
theyre named, ??, ??, ???, ???, ????, ????, ?????, ?????

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Idk why I got em and what they do but can anyone explain?

river rover
slate canopy
dusty mason
worn wren
slate canopy
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I got them too but I haven't played since Feb 8th lol

misty belfry
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Has anyone been yapping about the structure durability and flamethrower buffs coming in the next update? 👀

calm blade
tight slate
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anyone trynna run it or what?

slate canopy
dusty mason
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How did I not realize how awesome machine Gunner is earlier I set up and destroyed an entire squad of Germans

midnight nacelle
wooden dust
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why does my pc blue screen when i launch the game ? or even like 20 minutes into playing ?

dusty mason
prisma bramble
prisma bramble
misty belfry
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They are giving the defensive structures durability ratings ie light, medium, heavy which will determine how weapons interact with them. For example precision strike will now destroy light/medium structures 🔥

brittle veldt
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Is destructable buildings confirmed?

wooden dust
mental cedar
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👍

oak current
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<@&365680483276816385> Altberg

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Comment is everywhere, except honeypot it seems

midnight nacelle
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Sorted, Thank you! Altberg ico_HLLSalute

gentle lintel
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No one touches the honeypot

gentle lintel
alpine island
analog apex
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and when it comes to destruction of the buildable structures, they still just disappear don't they - they don't have any variation of a destroyed structure asset, they just vanish

gentle lintel
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Baby steps

analog apex
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with small steps like this we won't be alive to see it

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HLL development has been so damn slow and of low quality

half grotto
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With this new update are there any plans or more tanks etc?

analog apex
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nobody knows

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we'll see on the 2025 roadmap when it's out

half grotto
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it becomes very boring with this roster of tanks etc

analog apex
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the devs should look at Squad44... so many vehicles of all kinds there

storm stratus
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Is there anything new added in the U17 on the PTE? Weapons, classes, buildables, nerfs, buffs, vehicles etc?

proven dagger
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the buffs are extremely minute and not likely to change much

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precision strike can destroy certain fortifications

flamethrower can destroy supplies, crates, nodes, deals additional damage to trucks and certain fortifications.

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there are some new cosmetics coming as well.

hardy zealot
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uhhhh is something wrong with my game? i only see like 10 servers with players in them, but steamcharts alone says there are currently over 4k ppl playing

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i reset my filters and still nothing

mellow knoll
silk igloo
# analog apex the devs should look at Squad44... so many vehicles of all kinds there

would it be too complicated if the commander could swap default vehicles to others of equal value? that way nothing would be lost, like how jeeps dont see much use. i'd rather swap a default transport truck of 100 fuel to a jeep of 80, and keep the spare 20 for something else. without further restrictions, you could see all four trucks swapped to armoured cars or something as silly... then again, why not

mellow knoll
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Adding more tanks will just make upgrading the system harder in the future

analog apex
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but so far, they haven't moved a finger that direction, so ofc

mellow knoll
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To our knowledge yeah

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If it isn’t in the roadmap this year I’m probably never going to play tank in HLL again till it is

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2,500k hours doing nothing but HLL tanking has done it’s number on me

proven dagger
mellow knoll
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Especially given the fact the community’s moaned about it for years

proven dagger
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im not meaning to be patronizing but if we go by that logic we're in for a ride. they've been complaining about a laundry list of things which never got looked at.

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nodes. spawns. tanks. classes. etc.

analog apex
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not even bugs I reported almost 2 years ago (and video-documented) were fixed

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they just don't seem to give a F

proven dagger
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idk I don't think a tank rework is feasible realistically.

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they may be able to change the way they spawn or the sandbox a bit, maybe add or change some modules but expecting a realistic damage model and such is pretty much out of the question imo.

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there are a handful of issues some of which don't even lie specifically with the tanks.

grizzled kiln
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You have tanks that handle well like the Tiger and then you have the frustrating tanks like Panzer IV and Medium 75. Gave feedback in the PTE on both, devs didn't care.

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Graphics have degraded massively as well, and yet the game runs worse than ever 😄

mellow knoll
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Crazy lmao

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Reminds me of when I reported a cosmetic bug 3 times in each PTE and nothing was done about it

grizzled kiln
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They don't care. It's all about new content and cosmetics I guess.

mellow knoll
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Still broken even now

acoustic thunder
ashen basin
ashen basin
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That's awesome

oak current
gentle lintel
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How much did you pay Ben for that

keen furnace
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yuh

analog apex
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I just wanted to play PTE and fix the lowRez look or whatever

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I have set it to fullscreen and my screen's resolution and I can't move my mosue to the top left border of the screen

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and I can't click any menu item

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these devs are a joke truly

past veldt
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Wait a minute

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Are we going to see Sam quit again?

analog apex
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nope

past veldt
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Tombstone video update incoming

analog apex
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they added nothing good so far mechanics-wise (maybe the dynamic weather but that's still buggy)

oak current
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clearly

slim stag
#

is 23k xp good in a 38min match?

worthy charm
thorny acorn
#

we are never getting the roadmap

analog apex
#

career xp is calculated of scores of everybody in the squad, not just your own

nova pivot
analog apex
#

one can get a lot of career XP even without doing anything if his squadmates did

thorny acorn
#

cmon team 17 its statehood day release the roadmap

ashen basin
nova pivot
ashen basin
#

Operation Wakefield Wonder is a go

nova pivot
#

We need a big vehicle, a bus or a van to fill it with people. A lot of bricks to break the windows and enough crazy people to carry out the plan.

ashen basin
#

Code word

WF1 2UL

ashen basin
unique needle
#

Aup guys… how do u play Tobruk on steam? Is it live now? 👍🏼

tall kettleBOT
unique needle
#

Sweet

ashen basin
subtle notch
#

anyone have a trick for finding squads that actually work together and communicate? Joining random locked squads even results in mostly silent comms and the game sucks without at least a squad of teammates working together

unreal bear
#

yall im keeping on grinding flamethrower

#

the support is now level 3

wind shore
#

that map is dope where everybody on PT

#

git gud

barren blaze
#

why is there ?? achievements

#

i just unlocked like 4 achievements which was just questionmarks

wind shore
#

had the same

barren blaze
#

oh alr

finite berry
analog apex
#

I keep thinking... if the fire caused by the flamethrower or molotovs would largely spread in a house for a limited time, the flamethrower/molotovs would be actually useful

#

would it be hard to implement a self-spreading fire?

#

would be just great if the flamethrower could set a whole house interiors on fire if fired into multiple windows and doorway from the outside, in a short timespan

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even if it would have lasted just for like 30s before auto-dissipating

finite berry
#

Wouldn't it look somewhat odd having a fire first realistically spread across an entire house before it magically dissipates into thin air?

wind shore
#

lets revisit the topic then ^^

old bolt
#

japanese faction. anzac faction when????

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😂 would be sick

#

are there any big updates coming to the game btw?

finite berry
latent atlas
#

Anyone know when the new desert village map coming?

cyan saddle
#

They haven't said yet (aside from "early 2025"). They'll probably say which month they plan to release it in on the roadmap.

latent atlas
#

I just want a Berlin map

odd laurel
#

Guys I have a question. Does hell let loose have friendly fire? If yes, how can I see difference on enemy and teammate?

old bolt
finite berry
#

Also, weapon sounds to differ between friend and foe

old bolt
#

ANZACS were called the rats of trobruk they played a HUGE part in that battle lol

odd laurel
proven dagger
finite berry
#

Just look at who has friendly markers over them

#

Enemies don't have those

finite berry
old bolt
tough osprey
#

My game has a problem, it doesn't load the servers anymore, I've already deleted it and downloaded it again from Epic games, but it still has this error, can anyone help me?

odd laurel
#

And one more question. Does it matter what version of the game? I mean the standard one and the better versions

old bolt
#

although they should 100% be there own faction. without them africa would have been alot harder to take/hold

proven dagger
#

all the factions and such are free updates

old bolt
#

the addition of japanese would be insane. i wonder if devs are secretly workin on it

tough osprey
#

My game has a problem, it doesn't load the servers anymore, I've already deleted it and downloaded it again from Epic games, but it still has this error, can anyone help me?

proven dagger
proven dagger
proven dagger
#

the fact that british and soviets only have 3 maps a piece is criminal.

tough osprey
old bolt
proven dagger
old bolt
#

thats my thought process atleast

proven dagger
#

If they do add the japanese (which honestly I could care less about) they should do more original content like the Phillapines or Guam

#

I'd rather them represent Italians over the Japanese to start with honestly

old bolt
#

agreed there

worthy charm
proven dagger
#

I wouldn't say japanese are overrepresented because they are a big part of WW2 but it's not fresh or stimulating in the slightest. Somebody suggested the japanese how original lmao.

#

I just roll my eyes.

worthy charm
#

Nah but i could care less about sililaritys, just gimme a good map

#

After what i have seen of Tobruk it looks nice, havent played it though.

old bolt
proven dagger
#

I think it just rolls down to again, them not being original or daring in any way. I know when somebody brings up Japan you know they're only going to mention something iconic like Iwo Jima. I'm not impressed in the least. At least suggest something interesting and new like India.

old bolt
#

i just happen to know about them abit more cuz they bombed australia😂

queen terrace
#

im kinda new, will berlin be added at some point in the future?

proven dagger
#

I roll my eyes at Iwo Jima for the same reason I roll my eyes at DDAY. I've seen it a billion times.

worthy charm
old bolt
#

and near me is all the signege and modifications done for the japanese. in prestine condition

worthy charm
queen terrace
#

aw man

#

well, i can wait

worthy charm
#

I really wanna fight in the Reichtag

queen terrace
#

indeed

#

me too

#

maybe add an easter egg where you can put up a soviet flag if you can get to the roof

proven dagger
#

people like to dogpile on italy but to me it's a game, it doesn't have to be completely realistic. number two, how many games have you played where you get to actually play italy.

queen terrace
#

and a less destroyed stalingrad map with the univermag

proven dagger
#

i've played games where you PLAY in italy, but very few where you get to actually be italian

queen terrace
#

in enlisted you can be italian but cant play italy

worthy charm
proven dagger
#

same with france, I just got off Squad44 and it was super fun. I was playing in the Bis tank with the 75mm Hull gun vs early german tanks.

worthy charm
queen terrace
proven dagger
#

i will support japan as long as we get china

#

seems fair

queen terrace
#

battle of shanghai, wuhan and whatnot

worthy charm
proven dagger
#

fr

#

either way, its my opinion they need to stop doing maps for the US faction at least for like a year or two

#

its genuinely pathetic

worthy charm
#

If we get another France US map im gonna cry

proven dagger
#

really I just want a different axis faction

#

even if it was like russia vs finland

worthy charm
#

Yeah i dont really see this happening this year, but maybe next year.

proven dagger
#

and if they're not going to do that they should really be diversifying how the maps play like what vehicles and weapons are avaliable

worthy charm
#

We will see when they Soon show us the roadmap

proven dagger
#

again, i sure hope juno beach is not a thing

#

i will cry on god

#

enough dday

analog apex
#

non-US vs GER Normandy is needed

proven dagger
#

not at the cost of another beach map lmao

worthy charm
#

While it would be france at least its the british

#

i can live with that

#

What i cant live with is the state of the firefly

sweet eagle
#

hello chat

proven dagger
#

I haven't actually used the firefly for like the past year did they fix the handling yet

worthy charm
#

Its drive like a battleship, im sure the Ratte could turn faster than this thing.

proven dagger
#

honestly

#

if they decided one year to just not add content and fix the game I'd be fine with that

#

most my problems with the game are hundreds of little things which overall make the experience (not unplayable) unenjoyable

sweet eagle
#

What y'all talking about

proven dagger
#

firefly for all intensive purposes game wise basically being a jumbo 76 but controlling nothing alike

proven dagger
worthy charm
proven dagger
#

the british range is just a copy of the american range

#

the russian range is basically kharkov

#

oh nevermind they are all the same. the russian one just has snow

proven dagger
#

eglisch

humble perch
#

There will be a german range for the eastern front next update.

proven dagger
#

i play hll you have to assume i have a negative iq

unreal bear
#

i want flamethrower so bad

#

i dont have 50 levels to grind in bob the builder

sweet eagle
#

Bro I want to learn how to play as an engineer but I don't even know how to start learning 😭😭

silk igloo
arctic rampart
#

At the start of game, either in HQ with supplies or drop supplies outside of 2nd column/row, but go back into it to build if you're using a supp truck.

Mines whenever you can, the closer to enemy HQ, the better.

Repair a friendly tank if you happen to be nearby, otherwise probably just run satchel loadout.

Repair stations in places where it's not easy to destroy them, but somewhat close to location where friendly tanks would like to be in.

Forts only in Offensive or sometimes a bit of barbed wire in middle point on Warfare.

sweet eagle
arctic rampart
summer kraken
#

Guys, about the division packs, can you use them in other maps? Or they're locked to Mortain/Elsenborn

sweet eagle
arctic rampart
#

You can look for people to group up via #pc-looking-for-unit if you're on PC.
But in any case it'll be the simple logic of just going in a specific server together and then a specific squad together, so, personally, I'd just jump in any community server and look for a squad that's talkative. Ask them all the questions you might have in the second and chances are, they'll give you a sufficient response.

pale arrow
#

Why did I just get four question mark achievements?

visual niche
arctic rampart
#

Maxim, troll posting's not allowed.

visual niche
#

Fine.. 😒

arctic rampart
#

Just don't bring up the pacific posts Mendez

calm blade
#

ill be happy with any new maps really 😃

pale arrow
sweet eagle
visual niche
pale arrow
#

oh lol thanks

visual niche
sage burrow
#

did they get rid of skirmish?

red stump
#

i dont think so, it's just not popular

wind shore
#

Hey

red stump
#

konnichiwa

quaint light
#

GG

sage burrow
#

also sorry if that sounded a little passive aggressive

past vortex
#

its something the server decides

visual niche
red stump
#

gotta find a server thats hosting it, aye

visual niche
#

But it should be there afaik?

red stump
#

so they took it away from the plebs?

vale basalt
#

HII

red stump
#

i was gonna check in the server list, but if it's a console interface thing i can't help :(

visual niche
#

Yeah i can't double check either.. PC plebs 😔

vale basalt
#

is anyone free to play

past vortex
#

yea, most of the folks that got it on epic :}

crude cloak
#

guys do y'all know why don't i hear voice chat? im on the call with my cousin and she hears voice chat but i do not, i need help with this because its so annoying

visual niche
#

Is your audio output device set in the audio settings?

#

Options > Audio > [Check]

vale basalt
#

i am new to this game i only start play yesterday is anyone what to play

crude cloak
#

when i go to options, audio i don't have "output device"

visual niche
#

You have to click on the microphone check button

past vortex
visual niche
#

Right Above connnect/disconnect

crude cloak
vale basalt
#

i like recon in which you can play sniper roll but i only able to play ones

crude cloak
#

sorry for the trouble

visual niche
slate canopy
vale basalt
slate canopy
vale basalt
spice lake
#

Does anyone know if there are some milsims I could join?

cursive thicket
#

yo wassup on waht servers do you guys play on where people are active talkers

slate canopy
cursive thicket
cursive thicket
#

thank you

normal fjord
#

Speaking of community servers - why is there hundreds of official servers taking players away from communities? If people join communities they will play the game for longer…

arctic rampart
#

Because then you'll have a group of morons asking "How can this game have no official servers? That's unacceptable in 2025!"

normal fjord
#

10000 players online and over half are on official servers. If clans/communities don’t get their servers going they die. And these are players that stick around rather than ones that play 1 week and leave

#

Really basic stuff - makes no sense at all

arctic rampart
#

That's 11k* on steam bud', you can x2 or x3 that for total PC players probably

#

But overall I agree ofc. Just because of the 0 moderation and no rules

analog apex
arctic rampart
#

I don't get how can you shoot that insanely off tho

normal fjord
#

I understand they made new servers for massive epic games intake but now is the time to reduce and let those players join communities

#

They will then stick around longer, spend more money, keep game going

arctic rampart
#

I haven't spent a cent after buying the game xD

#

Unless they make some really dope cammos, not gonna happen

arctic rampart
#

How do you know it?

past veldt
#

scroll down to the bottom

arctic rampart
#

Seems quite low knowing how epic was completely free

normal fjord
past veldt
#

or, it was free, people tried it and realised they don't care that much about it, and stopped

#

Also, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 has probably taken a few players away

#

besides, my guy claiming over half the players on official servers is wrong anyway.

arctic rampart
#

That's true, even Sammy boy's been playing KCD2 more recently.
But it's hard to believe that the paid version has more active players than the free + game pass.

past veldt
#

Why? It's not free on epic anymore

arctic rampart
#

Oh yeah they aren't for sure. But generally they should fade away the "official" servers as much as possible

past veldt
#

They should fade away the official servers so we can load the server browser a little quicker

arctic rampart
#

Sounds like a T17 validated ducttape fix

past veldt
#

It noticably slowed down when they spooled up 600 servers

slate canopy
past vortex
#

its been a while since there was any free non-indie game

arctic rampart
#

Oh that ofc. I have plenty of the garbage picked up as well. Even remember an old class mate saying "it's an investment" haha

slate canopy
#

I'm pretty sure I have free lego games 🤔

past vortex
#

they also had most of the map staring games but the base version isnt really worth much :}

#

personally i think HLL was the 1st real game for free (that doesnt require dlcs)

#

maybe some adventure games, i ignored those

#

and gta ofc

thorny acorn
#

fortnite

past vortex
#

well f2p there is a lot more

thorny acorn
#

oh im not discussing i just love to say Fortnite randomly lol

tropic pecan
#

anybody has an idea what these "????" achievements supposed to be on steam?!

past vortex
#

its the main staple of epic for sure :}

past vortex
#

not yet done, nonetheless given out :}

tropic pecan
#

why not wait with the achievements until the update is finally public?! in my opinion this is kind of unprofessional in my eyes

slate canopy
#

It's a bug, has happened before.

calm blade
#

ive only seen this bug happen with HLL lol

slate canopy
#

Technically, the "Post game summary" shows me having all of them as well, and I last played February 8th 🙃

calm blade
#

devs gotta git gud

#

little bugs like this are small details but erode players confidence in the product

slate canopy
#

It could be I already techncally did the achivements, but they haven't been oficially released, so haven't counted. (Usually they are related to the new map, but may not always be.)

slate canopy
slate canopy
#

Runs fine for me.

wind shore
#

Guys

#

Did anybody else has some achivments in game like "????"

slate canopy
#

We were just talking of that 🤦‍♀️ Yes. It's a bug.

tropic pecan
thorny acorn
#

they were just talking about it

hollow elbow
#

maybe im a little slow but i cant find the public testing download on the steam store

wind shore
#

Oh lol

slate canopy
wind shore
#

I just came lmao

hollow elbow
wind shore
past veldt
#

Anyone know what these ???? thing is

hollow elbow
#

i have hell let loose downloaded in my library, i have had it for years but i can't find the public testing portion

slate canopy
past veldt
slate canopy
#

Make sure all your filters are clear for your library. (I usually have the "Show only ready to play games" filter. Shows only my installed games vs all the games in my library.)

tropic pecan
#

and I will be honest the inconsistency with achievements tied to new maps and such bothers me. Why make an achievement for playing 50 matches on the new maps as well as 50 matches on skirmish on these maps. Like there is no continuity in there

winged terrace
#

Hello 👋🏽

tall kettleBOT
thorny acorn
#

why doesn't the hll bot have hll in its favourites

novel geyser
#

in many such cases

misty mantle
#

Yoooo the playerbase is looking pretty healthy again what happened I’ve not been keeping track I stopped playing a while ago

slate canopy
arctic rampart
#

Epic games free launch. Lots of TikTok attraction

misty mantle
#

Any new stuff in the game?

calm blade
#

wow. active player count doubled last month. hope the newcomers stick around

misty mantle
cyan saddle
#

@midnight nacelle you seeing this?

calm blade
slate canopy
gentle lintel
#

🏦

cyan saddle
#

yeah the honeypot was too slow

#

i already clicked on it

gentle lintel
#

It may be slow, but it always wins

#

Remember that

cyan saddle
#

Can you really call it a win when people have already clicked?

gentle lintel
#

Yes

arctic rampart
#

imo, f the people. If they're stupid enough to click it, they deserve it

sacred pier
#

Hi guys. A question:

Why sometime some servers dont show up to some ppl but other does?

silk igloo
#

you know warhammer 40k and how all their machines run on prayers and sigils?

wind shore
#

Does anyone want to farm jeeps for the trophy

#

We can boost each other

stark wyvern
#

so no one is playing the PTE?

misty mantle
arctic rampart
#

50 gigs to play one, half-baked map? Yeah, imma pass

calm blade
#

new map is half baked?? 😥

ashen basin
ashen basin
ashen basin
arctic rampart
calm blade
#

the last two maps have not been great. im reaching a limit here lol

#

mortain and whatever the F crossing

arctic rampart
#

Ramagen?

ashen basin
urban shale
#

Guys how to fix problem when I am in lobby and go to search for server it says that there are not any servers

arctic rampart
#

First time playing a video game

calm blade
stark wyvern
#

i like elsenborn

arctic rampart
#

I'm a dad with 3 kids that only plays 2 hours of video games a week and I do it partially drunk to purposfully grief my own teammates in every multiplayer game I play.

ashen basin
arctic rampart
#

Just beers

#

Got a belly the size of Mortains chapel capture point

humble perch
#

Guessed that it would be something brewed at home.

arctic rampart
#

Nah' man. I just send the wife out to get some

humble perch
#

Do you have kvass also?

arctic rampart
#

F yea brother

#

Kvass on TOP!

humble perch
#

Sweet beer if I am not mistaken.

gentle verge
#

is like fermented sugar water isn't it (i meant thats most beer like things anyway.)

#

its actually rye sugar water

sacred pier
gentle verge
#

i would assume whatever thing they use to pick up the severs cant deal with that character

#

and if its not vaild input its not vaild input

sacred pier
# gentle verge and if its not vaild input its not vaild input

For me is very valid since it appears, so i assumed its fine. I can find the server, joe and jack can find. But Steve cant.
I was wondering if it had something to do, which would be very very odd.

But still to some appear, to other dont. Would like to know why. This happens more times than it should.

I play HLL for more then 5 years, i can't understand why this happens then "just too many servers, cant load them all"?

gentle verge
#

"it broke" because of "reason i pulled out of my ahem" is the best your going to get out of me unluckily though it just going "too many dump the rest" would also make sense

halcyon mango
#

this scoreboard glitch needs fixed

white vine
#

Sup

slate canopy
halcyon mango
arctic mango
#

Is there crossplay between PC and console? I have the setting enabled, but I cant see any of the servers he can, and he cant see any that I can

arctic mango
#

Whats the point of the crossplay setting then?

thin scarab
winged ridge
#

hey, can you die if you step on a friendly anti personel mine? also how do you tell if it was placed by your team or enemy team?

thin scarab
winged ridge
#

ohhhhhh

#

i stepped on one because I thought it was a friendly one, it wasnt 😄

thin scarab
wind shore
#

i love this map

#

details like u can jump on the sandsacks from the roofs so you dont take dmg

#

very niiiiiiice

frail ingot
#

Ayeee

vocal heath
#

l

hasty bone
#

So I've got 2 questions: Does flamethrower damage Player built structures, and does it damage tanks?

slate canopy
slate canopy
hasty bone
#

Thanks man

novel geyser
heady arrow
#

where do I give feedback for PTE?

slate canopy
calm blade
#

they better read that shi

proud rune
#

Hola

#

Alguien de latino america?

slate canopy
proud bay
#

sup

mint egret
#

Man that PTE looks dreadful xD

#

Just a mess of poorly placed, copy-pasted assets

slate canopy
#

It's an unfinished product so it's not perfect.

mint egret
slate canopy
#

🤷‍♀️ You're entitled to your opinion.

mint egret
#

As always

thin lotus
#

Tobruk sure loves its sandbags and crates

#

you can really see t17 stretching how many times they can repeat assets around

mint egret
#

Also, if they're doing a PTE for it, it means that it's closer to finished than anyone realises and will likely be released close to the state it is now in

thin lotus
#

in an attempt to make the town look less barren, damn near every building has sandbags just stacked on the outer walls

#

greebles for the sake of greebles

mint egret
#

You watch them release it looking the way it does.

thin lotus
#

They probably will.

#

I get they're trying to fill the urban area with some visual interest, but sandbags/crates everywhere aint cutting it

mint egret
#

Not to mention the COD2 comparisons xD

#

Again, same quality as the U15 trailer

#

Probably threw this "map" together a month ago

short canopy
#

where can i find people who will communicate on the game? ive joined about 10 games today and have like 3 people communicating, i dont care if you type or have a mic just some communication is nice lol

whole pike
#

Uhhh... what are these acheivments I got... theres 4 of them and they're just "?????"

slate canopy
whole pike
#

Ohhh okay

slate canopy
short canopy
#

tyvm

cosmic harbor
#

Hahaha...years later and the mess hall is still the Hate hall

#

Tobruk is going to be a popular map

calm blade
#

aww man hearing criticism of tobruk is getting me bummed out

cosmic harbor
#

People hated it before they even played it...or, more likely, they didnt even play it

slate canopy
#

I can't wait to explore it 😄

cosmic harbor
#

a lot to explore

hollow loom
#

No update in epic games?

slate canopy
stoic garnet
#

tobruk got leaked over a year ago

#

fact

slate canopy
#

A bit extreme, but okay...

stoic garnet
#

Maybe, it could be because it was picked up by a team that had experience exclusively on candy crush clones. Learning process can be long. Thats just proof of the rental mentality though,

shell knot
#

how active\

summer sedge
#

Hi, new here,

slate canopy
misty belfry
calm blade
dusty mason
#

Artillery in offensive mode is broken and I hate it

slate canopy
#

You gotta get those first 3 points quick 😉

dusty mason
#

25 deaths to artillery 💀

arctic rampart
#

Flanking, multiple spawns and recons ability to keep up the pushes' momentum are key to winning in Offensive

brittle laurel
#

just hopped in Tobruk, i like the sandstorm vibe, cool map layout
i feel like the buildings look untouched by war or any bombing

#

aesthetically kinda spotty

spiral thorn
#

Can Epic users play on the test server

dusty mason
proven plume
wind shore
#

Good morning

arctic rampart
#

Just got a friend to try HLL for the first time. He asked me for help to explain how the game works, so I happily abliged.
Next thing you know, I give him a simple run down of how a game plays w/o mixing in too many complicated strats or anything.
He plays for like 15 mins and says "Welp, Imma go. I thought it'll be more entertaining."
So I ask "what's not entertaining?"
He replies "Well, I can't really kill anyone"

...

prisma bramble
#

I went from 2000 hours in dayz to playing he’ll let loose and the patience is key

arctic rampart
#

He hasn't even played cod I think

#

But that was the worlds biggest skill issue moment I could notice. Like dude legit thought he's gonna come in HLL

#

Not talk in squad, understand anything and drop like 100 kills as inf

prisma bramble
#

He might’ve thought the game was different like you are a cog in a huge machine

arctic rampart
#

Just so restarted

prisma bramble
#

Deaths are neccasary

arctic rampart
#

You can see it based off the map

prisma bramble
arctic rampart
#

It's not 100m X 100m, it's 2km X 2km

#

I just got triggered by this dopamine, 1 brain cell, moment so badly

#

TikTok brain fr

novel geyser
#

Games that have guns and shooting means people want to use them

arctic rampart
#

The same guy thought Battlefield 4 was too challenging...

novel geyser
#

Then I think its no surprise he doesn't like hll

amber dove
#

Hey i was looking online trying to find information on the hidden achievements that are like "??" "???" "?????" and didnt find anything, anyone know what they are for? i got them a bit ago and dont see any information on them.

novel geyser
#

Placeholders for the upcoming map

#

Similar thing happened before

amber dove
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hm, weird, so like, is that a bugged achievement?

novel geyser
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Kinda
Should reset when tobruk comes out since it will be for playing matches of that map

amber dove
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very cool to know, thanks m80

novel geyser
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👍

crude field
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Games unplayable

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I used to play 1 year ago and now im getting killed from god knows where

arctic rampart
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All the tens of thousands of people playing would probably disagree

crude field
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Game was 10000x better 1 year ago

arctic rampart
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It essentially hasn't changed

keen glen
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0 updates

crude field
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You a newgen

keen glen
crude field
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Epic games

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Ye gtfo here

fringe stump
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at least im not crying for getting killed by gifted people lol

crude field
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Im not crying what

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Gifted? What does that even mean

arctic rampart
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Yeah, but in all seriousness. There's been a few updates, but they had like 0 really meaningful things. Mainly just some bug fixes and a few UI improvements that were quite minor. Nothing major has changed, thus the game hasn't really changed.
Your whole argument is a self-made placebo effect

calm blade
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discreet hackers

fringe stump
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you said the game was better 1 year ago because now youre getting killed from god knows where

crude field
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Ohh youre being funny

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Hahaha yeah

fringe stump
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people get better at the game over time, just because you were good 1 year ago doesnt mean youre good now

crude field
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I get the joke now haha

keen glen
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bro is a high class dumdum

rich siren
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balkan players join team up

crude field
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Croatia isnt balkans

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Least balkan country ever

fringe stump
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except it is

crude field
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Nobody talked to you tf

gleaming pelican
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When the people from the normal version of the game can play in the new map ?

analog apex
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When the update releases.

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The date is unknown yet.

#

But I would say it will take no less than a month or two.

humble perch
gleaming pelican
humble perch
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You are welcome.

sacred beacon
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What the hell are these achievements i just got?

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I just got 4 Varying Trophies on Steam Called

"??" "???" "????" "?????"

Each one has 0.1% on it

And i have No idea how i got them or what they are

arctic rampart
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You're hacking! Those are impossible to get

sacred beacon
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I'm not Hacking 🤣

arctic rampart
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Probably edited the memory or something

sacred beacon
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I just killed 4 People under a bridge in a Server i don't know how to speak the language of, and then unlocked all four of them and i have no idea what they are

arctic rampart
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Hacking in games to get achievements is so 2018

gentle lintel
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They are placeholders for when Tobruk releases. They will be reset when it does.

sacred beacon
arctic rampart
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Tell it to the CS2 playerbase

sacred beacon
sacred beacon
arctic rampart
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Yeah, tell that to them

sacred beacon
arctic rampart
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Yeah, I should really complete it finally.

worthy charm
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What a discussion.😂

#

Solid trolling new players again

arctic rampart
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Yeah, it's totally a new thing and hasn't been asked every 2 hours for the past day or two straight.

storm stratus
pliant orchid
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i got the ???? achievements

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:D

past vortex
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grats

stiff star
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grats

gentle lintel
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Ggwp

primal salmon
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hi

wind shore
primal salmon
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how are you

wind shore
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Any tips for clearing the board

wind shore
primal salmon
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im good

storm skiff
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Hi

pearl ledge
unreal bear
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can some of yall help me get flamethrower

slate elbow
unreal bear
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is there anything else than building nodes?

slate elbow
# unreal bear idc its so fun to use

If you say so🙄
It's very hard to get near an enemy (>15m) without being shot. Then, the flamethrower doesn't even one-shot so people can kill you while you are spreading fire on them

slate elbow
unreal bear
slate elbow
unreal bear
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ill look for it

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u have another role to grind on?

slate elbow
cosmic grotto
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Since the free game on epic, the game is toxic aF

unreal bear
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i got in a bob the builder server

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i got kicked i need to be a patreon member

ashen harbor
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How do you report bugs?

proven dagger
glossy rose
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TOBRUK map ended?

river rover
civic dune
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what map is better? omaha beach or utah beach?

wind shore
arctic rampart
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imo, utah

unreal bear
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guys

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do we get the xp when we leave the game

pearl ledge
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yes

unreal bear
cyan saddle
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Gameplay wise it has to be utah (unless the only thing you care about larping on US Omaha Offensive)

pearl ledge
unreal bear
analog apex
analog apex
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career XP however, we get way less without the post-match bonuses

unreal bear
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BRO I LOST THE XP I LEFT THE GAME

pearl ledge
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We all just told you that you did not but by all means keep yelling at the wall.

unreal bear
analog apex