Meltdown Update Preview

[languid basin]

Experienced heat stroke while making the ships

[narrow blade]

tremendous skill issue how the fuck they get a heatstroke in a vacuum

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone I fixed a bug causing Chaingun turrets to point in the wrong direction.

[narrow blade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid flax]

Ok

[hollow gull]

pog

[lusty zealot]

yippee

[languid basin]

That was fast lmao

[vocal mesa]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[ashen basin]

40 min patch is crazy

[alpine needle]

walt is doing a marathon rn

[languid basin]

Simple, it's not a vacuum

How else do ships have drag?

[narrow blade]

-> in space
"simple, its not a vacuum!"

stfu

[languid basin]

lmao

[ashen basin]

its not a vacuum is lore accurate

[weary sparrow]

After 45 min of the report a patch appears, if there is a dev patch speedrun I would put my money on this run lol

[devout fox]

How would it be a vacuum? I haven't seen a single one in the game

[tepid charm]

dyson takin over

nah i gotta make a tractor beam ship and call it the dyson

[vague aurora]

If I had a copper for every change to Overclock Chaingun I'd be richer than Terraria Goblin Tinkerer

[cerulean prairie]

Don't tell anyone, but when Cosmoteer launched on Steam, I deliberately left in a minor but obvious bug so that I could immediately fix it and look like a proactive dev. 😛 (It turns out that was unnecessary since there were plenty of real bugs to fix, lol. 😭)

[ashen basin]

this message gave me a terrible idea. I am truly sorry.

[tepid charm]

what even is that

[next urchin]

That's actually sick

[tepid charm]

what? i dont get it

[next urchin]

R u happy now

[frigid flax]

yessir

[next urchin]

I had to compare it against stable. It's something I broke. They're supposed to hold until aiming on target unless they've already started firing

[frigid flax]

single cannon shot and its dead lol

[next urchin]

Imagine how I felt reading the messages 😮‍💨

[ashen basin]

dyson sphere

[next urchin]

What the fuck 😭

I hate this fucking gun omg

[ashen basin]

i will hear no chaingun slander in this channel

[next urchin]

Oh thank Walt, I don't have to touch the chaingun again today

[dark lily]

Have you had a chaingun nightmare yet, Celeste?

[next urchin]

Yes, but I think it was a premonition. I was a crew member operating the chaingun and it started turning towards me while in the shell

[tepid charm]

oh

[flat skiff]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/799600/view/3391799364895652954?l=english this one??

[tame comet]

i can feel the fucking eyes watering from frustration in this message

[charred lantern]

You're just coming up with more reasons to @everyone at this point, aren't you?

[next urchin]

Cosmoteer is just a ploy to ping more and more people

One day, we'll ping the entire world

[tepid charm]

oh god

its working

HOW

ok this confirms that its possible but idfk how im gonna even begin to turn this into an actual mining ship

i guess while im at this i might as well try to figure out the minimum amount of exchangers for this abomination to work

[next urchin]

Why are your screenshots half white and completely blown out

[opal moon]

does that not happen when you touch the sun?

[next urchin]

That's the sun? 💀

[tepid charm]

this is why

[opal moon]

they've touched the sun with the ship's shields

[tame comet]

the fuckin crew members in that ship must be walking around with their eyes closed

[tepid charm]

yes

that is as a matter of fact the unmatched power of the sun

i just shoved enough exchangers on the shield to eat the heatgen

holy fuck

significantly less than i thought it only needs 8 total exchangers

the second i remove one though the thermals start gradually failing

it works with one of the shields removed too oh god oh fuck

i gotta keep going how stupid can this shit get

[lost sapphire]

Chain guns (both OC and non-OC) are firing at max fire rate immediately, is that intentional?

[tame comet]

the bags under celestes eyes will keep growing

[tepid charm]

ive successfully matched the unmatched power of the sun with an abysmal mining ship

id prefer to have been able to given it sensors or engines that dont suck or any shape other than cube but i think this is the best i can do with only 4 shields

[jaunty gyro]

you sir are a true explorer

[tepid charm]

where do i post bots for banning

[tepid charm]

some wushi0.0 dude whos only in this server joined 2025 and hasnt spoken a word in here randomly sent me a friend request the second i sent this message

i recognize the pfp and name from other bots

[tepid charm]

lol thanks

actually wait this thing doesnt need more than one thermal battery

[granite sapphire]

XD

[tepid charm]

pain and suffering

[lost sapphire]

-# stealth non OC CG buff yes please

[next urchin]

Nonononono I don't believe you

If they are I think Walt might’ve broken it with the fix to facing the wrong direction bc they were working fine last night... I think?

The CG is just basically whack-a-mole bug edition

[tepid charm]

hey cel

is it possible to make a ship constantly look at a set point while strafing around without having an enemy or ally act as the target point

would mean i can make a sundiver that doesnt need full shield coverage

[next urchin]

I don't think so? Not sure, but I've had to manually try and orient ships when I try sundiving

Like you can click and drag when strafing to set direction but you can't make it always face the sun automatically

[tepid charm]

fuck

k yeah then ill stick to full coverage

[lusty zealot]

also in my testing they still pre-fired

[lost sapphire]

yeah the ramp up bar is maxed here before firing

[tepid charm]

i managed to give it bigger thrusters by killing some of the thermal batts, thank god

he go zoomies

might be something cool that could be added later, just a 'always look at this waypoint' control

would be hella helpful for sundiving, dunno about other purposes but whatever

[lost sapphire]

there is a way make your ship look at the sun properly but it requires this option and for you to put your cursor at the center of the sun

[tepid charm]

oh right that

[lost sapphire]

this is not automatic but its the closest we got to keeping the shields facing the sun

[tepid charm]

yeah im familiar with ctrl+d ctrl+shift+f

i guess thats the best ive got huh

[ornate portal]

Does combining an OC'd ion beam with a non-OC'd ion beam do anything?

I didn't know where else to ask this, so I put it here

[next urchin]

Nope

[grim gyro]

Trl is going to be super broken in career since the vast majority of ships lack radiators

[lusty zealot]

i mean. radiators aren't necessary for dealing with it

nor does their presence automatically mean a ship's fine against it

[tepid charm]

woah

overheating reactors proc a huge shipwide emp effect?

neat

[lusty zealot]

reactors have a unique 'burnout' effect

usually parts will just quietly deactivate when they burn out (take a lot of damage from fire)

but reactors will release a large AoE of EMP around them

not shipwide, but pretty big

[tepid charm]

i assume its just reactors with a unique effect on burning out

[lusty zealot]

to my knowledge yes

[tame comet]

im trying them rn and they ARE super broken

you can also abuse the fact that they dont have a blueprint cost rn and start with a TRL and a shield

[lusty zealot]

it may also be the case that storages containing ammo/flammable resources explode as their burnout effect, though that may still be random instead of the burnout

unsure on that

[tame comet]

it is random

ive seen it myself

what HP threshhold deos burnout happen at?

~10%?

ive seen storages explode at... ~50%?

when fully on fire

[lusty zealot]

i don't think it's based on an hp threshold, rather a damage via fire threshold

but yeah, wasn't sure on that bit

[tame comet]

id still test just in case im speaking out of my ass but im fairly certain bullets still explode from fire

[dry willow]

how rotten and vile of an idea is a cockpit dynamo for overclock- just the small one

with that stroke of a pen, you'd have a whole new generation of viable, career mode, wasteship to swarm with

[granite sapphire]

tbh, its far more problematic for the domination meta than career

[dry willow]

I mean, it's already gonna be in a hell of a state when the patch drops in finished form

You'll have gunbricks and gunwalls but overclocked now

but the presence of tiny ships might make side guns and protection less silly an idea

just as a holdover till carriers one day, y'know?

[granite sapphire]

control rooms being able to regenerate energy would make the single reliable counter to waste ships aka emps far worse vs them

the only thing that keeps wastes remotely balanced is this counter

[dry willow]

I'd just be curious to see what would happen

[tame comet]

i dont even know what they could do for a control room oc

[grim gyro]

A variable number of extra command points at the cost of heat gen

[tame comet]

thats just really fuckin boring tho

[grim gyro]

Should have an upper limit though

[grim gyro]

Yeah but what else could it do?

[tame comet]

im not sure is the thing

the option they have is

really fucking boring

[charred lantern]

do combined beams take on the not-losing-power-over-distance property if just one of the beams is overclocked?

[lusty zealot]

combining OCion and base ion just cancels the base ion

[charred lantern]

oh, so they don't combine

[buoyant vortex]

3 pings in this thread alone?

thats a lot xd

[tame comet]

4

[tame comet]

5

[buoyant vortex]

thanks

[static rune]

"Reduce crew requirement by 1, but generate heat while undercrewed."

[ashen basin]

this is fantastic

[eager gyro]

That could work quite well considering they all use odd numbers of crew

[static rune]

Who needs a mining ship, gimmie a Dyson Cube.

[soft wyvern]

i mean that's fair enough since you are one as i think we all can tell.
-# Sorry if anyone already said that, can't read this whole thing

[marsh aurora]

Does this preview is named meltdown-preview-2025.7.15_steam?

[remote wadi]

Jesus, why so many heat exchangers?

Is the heat transferred to the shield generators? And do the heat pipes not pump that heat out?

[cerulean prairie]

No, it's currently 2025.7.14b because I screwed up the date.

[marsh aurora]

Thanks. I want to point in the commit of my mod the exact version that made spinning shields possible lol

[tepid charm]

yeah it applies heat directly to the part the part doesnt generate it

thermal piping doesnt work with solar heat

i spammed exchangers just to see if they’d even work for what i intended for them

worked, so i started gradually removing some while i kept the ship like a meter away from the sun, and as far as i can tell a single shield needs 8 exchangers total to dissipate its heat

i can try to see if they work with 7 exchangers? doubt it though

[cerulean prairie]

Can you please upload this ship so that I can use it for testing?

[jaunty gyro]

CloudBirb found with suspicious gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide...

[tepid charm]

oh uhh sure

here it is, god i wish i couldve had more space for like anything on this thing more storage more speed but nope

wait a fucking second the laser isnt connected thermally with pipes anymore

fuck

[tepid charm]

i realize i can fix that super easily by just moving the exchanger up by one though lol

[tepid charm]

was i not supposed to be able to make a sundiver like this or something

[tepid charm]

works like a fuckin dream either way lol

made some quick modifications to be able to add some extra side thrusters and not use as much thermal piping

yes its basically touching the sun in that image im direct controlling it to edge it lmao

this shit feels like skating

anyways time to see if it can actually do the job i made it for

holy fuck yeah no the shields need an absolute minimum of 8 exchangers, even that is struggling

7 wont cut it, and despite it lmk that theres damage being taken its removing it just fast enough for no actual repairs needed

just fast enough

fully capable of mining though even in the radius of the in fact matched power of the sun

this game is funny af

oh shit no we've got a breach

[static rune]

Nice Job Icarus.

[tepid charm]

couldnt recreate the front breach but i found another in the rear shield

apparently 8 exchangers isnt enough for it, needs 10

dunno why that specific one cant work with just 8??

im not seeing any more problems with it

i guess heres the new one for walt

still need to find something to replace one of the thermal batteries with, it doesnt need 2

given that its completely external though theres nothing i can really put there thats crew accessible though

god i am flooding this thread im sorry yall

[devout fox]

Nothing wrong with a bit of redundancy if you can afford it

[tepid charm]

it genuinely doesnt need it, the only reason the thermal batteries are there in the first place are for the tiniest shield heat buffer

without any buffer all the shields would instantly ignite afaik since the rads have no internal buffer

id kill for a small thermal battery

[devout fox]

Yeah, that would be cool! Same with a big one that requires power and/or produces heat on its own

[tepid charm]

yeah passive heat generators that take power and shut off at a certain defined point would be killer

would make thermal can missiles less of a pain in the ass to use

i still have no idea how to give those fuckers full uptime even with proper factory setup

[devout fox]

Thermal canister missiles seem really weird right now. Even when you use missiles, it often seems better to use a radiator

[tepid charm]

yeah

[devout fox]

Yeah, I think they should get rid of more heat, so they're better for getting rid of
bursts of heat

I don't see any issues with them being impossible to sustain if they have a different niche than radiators

[tepid charm]

eeyup

i managed to give this abomination a hyperdrive at least? could swap that out for more storage or something

im actually curious what walt wanted this thing for

[static rune]

Sunmining is supposed to be hard but rewarding. Something the size of a station weapon satelite is not supposed to be able to literally touch the sun. Since sunmining has some major changes in Meltdown, they want to look at your design and tune the sun so you can mine asteroids but not the solar corona.

[tepid charm]

oh

hopefully it doesnt make this thing unusable

im hoping to make an upgraded version for career

also it cant touch the sun

the second any part hitbox actually comes into contact with it its gone, but as long as its just the solar heat radius its impenetrable

[tepid charm]

and this thing is pretty damn expensive, was a pain in the ass to setup both power wise and thermally as well so idk if it needs any extra difficulty?

but ig we’ll see what walt says, i just hope this thing doesnt become useless next patch :/

huh now that i think about it that ship has spare distributors usually maybe I can just clear all the operator bunks and use the barracks as distributors and operators both

would make extra room

actually shit yeah thats a great idea ima do that when i hop on

[near flax]

imo thruster heat gen should be reduced, it feels like too much

it was a good design synergy (idk a better word) that two overclocked large thrusters only required a single radiator

[devout fox]

Normal thrusters are still weak compared to OC ones though

I do get what you're saying though, the awkward heat production amounts are annoying

All things considered, I think reducing heat production again could work, as long as they gain some new penalty. With the firefighting potential of OC fire extinguishers, I could see regular but infrequent fires on larger OC thrusters working for that purpose

[near flax]

they are annoying and I'm not sure if they're annoying in a way that makes designs interesting

having a thruster throttle limit would be nice cause then it would be simple to have a equal to cooling cruising mode and a full throttle battle mode

[devout fox]

You can already do that, actually! You can set a group of thrusters to a hotkey group, so you can overclock them once you get into battle

[near flax]

yeah that's true

[heavy berry]

One Qestion: Are Thermal Rockets not priorised over radiators? Or do Radiators not work till thermal rockets are full? I have some problems whit that.

[lusty zealot]

heat prioritizes thermal canister missiles over radiators, i believe

[tepid charm]

i made it so much worse

unfortunately the guy who redid the network back here fucked it all up so i cant actually send the ship file or do much else

but it turns out i could place a hell of a lot more on the corners of that ship which made a lot more room

[lusty zealot]

@heavy berry

[heavy berry]

I think not, all my radiators are working but my Thermal Missiles dont get heat to shot.

[tepid charm]

confirmed just now

all the rads are blasting but the cans filling up hella slow, second i switch the rads off the can fills up instantly

[lusty zealot]

odd

[tepid charm]

thought that was the case in the last ship i made using can missiles

[lusty zealot]

i think thermal canister missiles do have a limit on fill rate

but that wouldn't explain them filling instantly when radiators are off

[tepid charm]

lemme go try again

nah looks to me like they’re filling up in a whole second

but with the rads on its more like 15

may not be instant but the rads are sure as hell taking priority over the weapon that eats heat

[heavy berry]

thats a problem. i hope this will be fixed. My whole ship was burning right now because i forgot i turned of the radiators 😆

[tepid charm]

yeah this is goofy

i remember the first time i used them this was happening too

[heavy berry]

what can i do to make them fixing that? My ship (result of 12 h building) doesn`t work. 😅

[tepid charm]

try to strike a good balance of active rads, or switch them off in combat and back on outside of it

thats probably the best thing you can do honestly these things need work

[next urchin]

Looking at the code, TCMs aren't a priority target, but once there's heat in them it can't be removed by other sources. They do pull heat from the network on their own, too

[tepid charm]

yeah i figured, they’ll pull but the rads wont let them have all of it

[heavy berry]

i turned of the radiators, but i forgot it... 20 seconds later the wohle ship was burning

[tepid charm]

honestly it would be really nice if there was a threshold switch for the rads

or a heat generator

or like any other heat parts

[next urchin]

A threshold for the radiators would be reasonably easy, actually

[tepid charm]

lemme go slap some shit in ideas and feedback, ive got some things cooking in the autism ocean

[heavy berry]

thanks

[tepid charm]

actually ill do that later i got a headache

oh lol

aw fuck it sure ill start brainstorming and putting shit in notes then ill write it all down in a thread

[next urchin]

Appreciated! I'm focusing on tying up loose ends for the eventual Meltdown RC/stable atm, but I'd like to revisit some more QoL/configuration related features afterwards, too

[tepid charm]

time to take a good ol tylenol

[heavy berry]

can someone say me when it`s fixed? (I dont know if thats possible, i dont use discord often.😅 )

[lusty zealot]

just check the patch notes every time walt does an everyone ping here

[lusty zealot]

they should be a priority target imo, as they both remove heat and are a weapon using heat

definitely worth prioritizing over radiators which just remove heat

[next urchin]

I don't disagree - the issue is more technical than game design.

[tepid charm]

ok i slapped something in the threads

[lusty zealot]

fair

[tepid charm]

thread contents are kinda basic rn but im hoping i can put in more later on

[tepid charm]

oh also i found what caused that first breach in the sundiver ship, looks like it got too close to a roid and it cut off the shield projection radius

just needs more careful control

[lusty gulch]

Could spontaneous combustion of OC thrusters be related to an uneven MP setup? Aka perma 🐢 blinking? But somehow running almost fine

[vocal trout]

good ol Overclocked stub

[static rune]

Can we get a priority toggle on the TCMs? Some want to prioritize Missiles as a weapon, which need priority over radiators, while others use it as a more surface area efficent radiator with limited ammo, which should be prioritized LOWER than radiators but above thermal storage.

[tame comet]

she cant. its not a design thing its a technical problem

[static rune]

More than, when they implement a fix, remember to have a button that keeps the other utility.

[vocal trout]

hmmmmmm

[quasi meteor]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[wind vale]

autodoor pt2 electric boogaloo except this one doesn't matter

[vocal trout]

⚠️

okay this one i gotta replicate somehow

hmmmmmmmmmmm

okay for some reason you can somehow steal crew from the aether in creative

[coarse spindle]

they got too far away from their ship on the z axis

[vocal trout]

who do i dm the savefile to

[coarse spindle]

can you not send it here as a zip file if its too big?

[vocal trout]

nah i just dont wanna send it here lol

[jaunty gyro]

I think it may be because in creative you are set to "All Players": by default right?

[vocal trout]

ive not once placed an airlock on this ship

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone New Meltdown preview! Thanks for testing!

Balance:

• Ammo Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (200→100)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• EMP Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (250→125)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• HE Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (275→110)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• Mine Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (250→125)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• Nuke Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (333→165)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• Thermal Factory (Overclocked):
  • Replaced 2x output with 300% speed
  • Reduced heat generation per conversion (250→110)
  • Reduced power per conversion factor (300%→150%)
• Missile Launcher: heat levels are now maintained when switching from Thermal Canister Missiles to other missile types

Other:

• Fixed Chaingun maintain ‘firing’ status indefinitely (preventing mandatory reload and ramp-down behaviour)
• Added glow to build mode Editor Group tab icons of stacked parts
• Fixed memory leak due to Status VFX not being correctly disposed at 0 intensity or when ship is deleted
• Changed icons for Thermal Resonance Lance safety toggle
• Suns now do more heat when ships are very close to the sun.
• Direct shield drain from suns is now properly affected by distance to the sun.

[vocal mesa]

Aaaaaaa

[vocal trout]

i think you used the wrong ping lol

[delicate moss]

no more matter duplication :(

[polar knot]

More chaingun rework 😭

Oh?

Wait no?

[split nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-paw-explode-cat-explode-paw-slam-gif-8717257267302566985

[alpine needle]

Awww I thought the higher resorce efficiency was a good motivator for people to start experimenting with the heat system

[polar knot]

There IS no chaingun rework, we must celebrate

[fickle patrol]

It’s called a bug fix but it basically is

[jaunty gyro]

nooooooo

[floral saffron]

hey he added the glow thing we talked about

[narrow owl]

what does power per conversion mean ? (what is a conversion ?)

[mild gazelle]

Power per ammo made

[floral saffron]

im guessing the amount of power the factory uses per item output

[hollow gull]

if there isn't a new chaingun rework every patch, why even bother playing

[mild gazelle]

Convert sulfur to ammo

[vocal trout]

but arent the refineries still reverse-entropy machines

[alpine needle]

Hmmm I was thinking what would a weapon that only works with a serten heat level already in the system work like a gun that needs heat storage to already be at 50% full or something in order to fire

[floral saffron]

arent reactors reverse entropy machines

[vocal trout]

basically just "game changes every 2 weeks why bother"

[hollow gull]

also, does anyone actually use mine factories?

[vocal trout]

its more compact to in some cases

[light stratus]

people use mines so yeah

[wind vale]

nick only/j

[hollow gull]

I thought that people that use mines generally just run storage

[light stratus]

its situation dependent

[vocal trout]

i mean if im running mines in career you bet i have a factory lmao

[floral saffron]

as someone who has used mines in career good luck finding a station that sells any mines

or missiles actually

[hollow gull]

a factory sure, but are you guys running an OC mine factory?

multiple factories for uptime

generally i would just use storage and have maybe one factory to resupply them

[light stratus]

previously in career it was alwayas better to OC the mine factory

now it isn't required to OC it but it's nice to have

factories are mostly career relevant since for PvP you fight like, once or twice, and factories are there to sustain fights

[floral saffron]

factories are there because stations just dont have any missiles

literally unplayable walt plz fix

[hollow gull]

granted, reduced their storage of uranium, processors, and hypercoils to make room for missiles and mines

[delicate moss]

YO

the UI improvements go hard, having the bottom bar get taller definitely feels a little weird though. I kind of wish there was a more elegant way to stack them than currently

I don't really want to make another UI suggestion though bc I'm aware it's a lot

[floral saffron]

i think they need a bit more glow

[delicate moss]

I'd agree, I'm more concerned about the icon sizes though

like, I wouldn't mind smaller icons (the size of the upper row icons for example), that show the information of the part when you hover over it

then you could fit more parts way more comfortably and it'd still be comprehensible

[remote wadi]

Oh, was there a temporary test of having factories increase efficiency?

I can see ammo factories being overclocked in a few situations but I almost never overclock the resource factories. I can't mine resources faster than one factory can process it all.

[static rune]

Overcharge bridge: Can function as a 14k thermal battery, and when full, excess heat heats the bridge, starting fires in one of the bridge consoles, meaning that none of the connected shield systems will catch fire as long as the bridge is manned.

[floral saffron]

what

what do you mean starts fires in one of the bridge consoles

[static rune]

We've all seen Star trek. When the thermal system overloads, fires start in the bridge, not the systems.

[floral saffron]

that just sounds like a straight downgrade

instead of burning down the shield thats being hit it burns down the one thing keeping your ship controllable

[static rune]

But you can ALWAYS have fire extinguishers RIGHT THERE.

[floral saffron]

you can have fire extinguishers in your shield

or just like have enough thermal batteries or radiators for your shield to not be on fire

[static rune]

depends on how packed your surface is.

And this is a thermal battery too.

[devout fox]

Consider how much heat thrusters create. It will melt (not burn) in seconds

[static rune]

Are you not bringing appropriate radiators?

[wind vale]

feels like a riskier heat exchanger

[devout fox]

We're talking about an overheat scenario

[wind vale]

and also about the fire extinguishers part it'll still be a bad tradeoff either you lose operating crew or you lose control for until the fires stop

[static rune]

So, either dead radiators, spent thermal canisters, or big hits on the shields.

[devout fox]

Yes

[floral saffron]

I feel like there is no case where setting your bridge on fire is a good idea

[static rune]

in the situation, there's going to be fires anyway.

[devout fox]

Besides, structure actually does this job. It can re-distribute heat from your heat-generating parts to your logistics

Watch what happens when the railguns fire continuously

[tepid charm]

aw shit they fucked over the sundiver

[wind vale]

yeah but most of the time it's not on a part that requires operators

[static rune]

You dont count gunners or shield crew as operators?

[wind vale]

like if shields or even a reactor catch fire you just get a crew penalty as said crew is extinguishing fires but if like a cr or weapon catch fire any operator death is a part no longer working

[wind vale]

they don't have to be there for the part to work they just supply it, supply crew are way more disposable than operators

[static rune]

whereas if the fires happen somewhere in the interior, the shield crew can still be operating the shield at full efficency while dedicated fire management crew handle the bridge.

[devout fox]

If I remember correctly, it's just 600 heat before a part starts melting. So, anything past 1,000 shield damage on your large shields and your bridge is in trouble

[static rune]

...so slap on a heat resistance effect.

[devout fox]

I don't think OC large shields need any more support, anyway. Reducing the side effects of their overheat could be problematic for balance

[static rune]

Shields at 50% captian!

[gloomy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/floating-star-trek-discovery-crash-fire-explosion-gif-23404999

[static rune]

The bridge needs a price increase anyway. The Control room is only worth while between 101 and 250 control points, 2 control rooms are the same price as a full bridge.

[devout fox]

Also consider that this would make Thermal Canister Missiles even less useful than they already are. If it can handle the level of heat from shields, it will completely invalidate the missiles

[near flax]

tbh for factory overclocks it would be neat for it to produce 2x stack resources that turn into regular stack sizes when moved somewhere

this would make missiles a lot more crew efficient which would help a lot in career

[devout fox]

I love that idea

[near flax]

to my knowledge it would require making new items

i would be down for same rate of "packaged parts" so effectively a 2x rate

[near flax]

I've talked about it with Celeste at some point and iirc this is what she said

[floral saffron]

instead of making items it makes crates of items that get unboxed at their destination

[static rune]

The crate is a new item.

[floral saffron]

yeah?

[stuck roost]

Center of mass whohooo !!!

[gloomy raft]

ive noticed a potential bug in chaingun behaviour every time the chain gun destroys a target when set to fire at will (a.k.a pick your own target) it tries to put itself away before checking for another target. This creates wastage in terms of targeting and ammo as it has to reacquire a target that was probably attached the the one it just destroyed. i can provide video if requested.

[vague aurora]

Yay factories getting love <3

[hollow gull]

the problem with the chaingun is that the enemy ships have guns and can hurt me :(

[dark lily]

Makes me sad to see the efficiency factories gone 😔

[stuck roost]

I feel like I am missing a big part of the testings going on
What was the driving force behind such a nerf? Who did what?

[pale python]

Makes me very happy to see the efficient factories gone

[dark lily]

That it didn't really make sense

[gloomy raft]

ive missed something. what about the factories has changed?

[dark lily]

They produced more product resources with less input resources when overclocked. Now they produce the same amount of resources as normal, but at an accelerated pace

[gloomy raft]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/sad-day-indeed-the-office-nod-gif-18697933

[tepid charm]

yeah the factory change is kinda garbage

but oh well

[static rune]

Now an OC factory is just a factory with 8 adjacent factories.

...and each adjacency bonus is scaled up the same way.

[hollow gull]

I think that more efficient factories could still make sense

non OC are more wasteful, the OC waste less but use more energy to do so

[remote charm]

yeah

[static rune]

"Proper Ratios"

[remote charm]

yea now that i think about it

i would really like to see denser stacks of missile/ammo type stuff

oc factories seems like simply a way to save on factory cost itself

[static rune]

For a lot of factory types, faster resource conversion doesnt even matter, as you are more limited by your ability to find, mine, and load resources than turning those resources into materials.

[remote charm]

yeah to fully realize the 300% speed you would have to deliver resources at 300% speed, no?

[devout fox]

For sure. It's so impractical to take advantage of the higher rate of production in a lot of cases due to the greatly increased crew cost

[vocal trout]

at jani finally a use for 8x input

[vocal trout]

unless youre running station factories thats just not feasible - the launcher itself doesnt pull in enough crew for that - might have to do storage chicanery

[static rune]

you mean "use storage as intended as a buffer?"

I dont know if this is even feaable but... Overclocked Cockpit that, not only generates it's own power, but generates 1 EXTRA power every minute to slowly charge up energy storages? Can the cockpit be made into a source of power, not just a destination?

[vocal trout]

vanilla auto++ drop

[static rune]

you still have to crew it, of course.

being 100 times weaker than a small reactor means that it's only really useful for recharging between fights, and even that takes awhile, especially if you overclock a storage.

[vocal trout]

1 crew career gets cheaper

[tepid charm]

yo celeste or walt, pop into the thread for some ideas

might be some good stuff in there

also did a big edit, dunno if the balancing is any good but i actually suggested some parts instead of just ideas

[tame comet]

they read everything in the ideas thread already

[tepid charm]

wouldnt I see them pop up in the thread if they’d looked

they aint on the members list

neither are you

[static rune]

Is members everyone who's ever viewed it? Or just everyone who's posted? or even just the people who have it visible for 3 days?

[tepid charm]

but then again i see someone having upvoted it who isnt shown on the members list

so maybe idfk what im talking about

:>>>

[tame comet]

no. only if you say something, or Manually follow it

ive read them i think i dont remember

[tepid charm]

oh its follow based

ok that makes much more sense, sorry

[near flax]

@next urchin if new items were created would this be possible

[tepid charm]

yeah i like that idea honestly

[tepid charm]

alright time to return to the cubic sundiver

but given last patches notes i got a bad feeling about this

[jaunty gyro]

We believe in you

[tepid charm]

holy fuck

its struggling, real bad

overall shield uptime took a big hit, looks like it could use all 6 supplier crew but one is lingering in quarters not doing anything despite shield batteries stuck at 5-6

and the heatgen, the heatgen oh god

even 11 exchangers at the very front is struggling

this poor fucking thing

this might need a full rewire

shiiiiit

they genuinely cant supply it at too close a distance, and its not that they're incapable of it its that theres one lazy piece of shit who refuses to leave the quarters

with all 6 crew, maybe? but idk how to get a full quarters cycle

i didnt wanna have to do this but this needs 8 shields

4 isnt doing the trick no more :/

[static rune]

18 power slots is 5 crew running triple energies unless the shield is at the last 1-2 energy, or 4 crew running quad energies unless the shield is literally on it's last energy.

[tepid charm]

when i get to making a new frame with 2 shields ill see about doing a practice run just to see how many exchangers the setup needs

then ill go from there

i suspect upwards of 10-12 exchangers for both shields

[static rune]

do you need 360 coverage?

[tepid charm]

i already talked about this

[static rune]

I missed the discussion

[tepid charm]

no setting for ships to only face towards a single set point

and strafing needs you to constantly rotate the ship inwards again

360 coverage means less annoyance

it also means full speed in any direction

[static rune]

I mean, if you strafe directly on the line inward... pre-meltdown, I had a sundiver that could maybe manage 10 degrees off the line, and there was a lot of dive-returns

[tepid charm]

360 is safer

period

until walt pops a waypoint-based auto-look-at that doesnt rely on an enemy or ally, 360 is best

[next urchin]

I think every single storage of that type would need to have another storage and converter added, and the factory would need to change its storage types as well.

I double checked with Walt about it yesterday but it doesn't seem like there's any good way to do it atm

[tepid charm]

pain in the ass to setup? sure
gives me something to spend hours on thinking about and working on? sure does

[next urchin]

Maybe for a future industrial update. I think some sort of resource variation system would be broadly useful

[static rune]

Is there a way to have a "fireman" type setting that increases crew carrying capacity? So instead of carring 2 ammo, they carry 4, but it's still ammo?

[next urchin]

No. The max carry size is determined by the resource itself

That's what I asked Walt about yesterday

[static rune]

Damn. Not as simple as giving the crew power armor with 2 "hands"

Or a costco cart with 1 storage slots that a single crew could push around.

[next urchin]

Conjoined twins can carry twice the resources!

[tepid charm]

it begins

[narrow blade]

does this mean were getting chernobyl in cosmoteer so we can irreversibly mutate our crew for no good reason

[gloomy raft]

that must 100% be what it means.

Celeste wont let us down

[static rune]

Reversably mutate would be great, actually. all we want is the stacked resources, however it ends up happening.

[gloomy raft]

@next urchin is this worth reporting btw?

[grim gyro]

I need to make a meme about this at this point

[gloomy raft]

?

[grim gyro]

Celeste and the cursed chaingun

[gloomy raft]

oh

lol

[next urchin]

If it's not normal behaviour, yeah

I don't know how my changes would've broken aiming though

[gloomy raft]

im not sure its ever worked

ive just noticed it and it looks bad and shouldnt work that way regardless

its like, it finds a target > target is destroyed > put gun away begins > finds new target > has to unpack gun. but all this happens every time it needs to change specific targets on a ship that is right next to it

observe

ive raised it now

[tepid charm]

holy fuck

thats a lot of exchangers

[near flax]

gotcha, it is what it is

[twilit matrix]

Why don't you just connect the pipes to the shields?

[tepid charm]

does he know

(does he know)

[twilit matrix]

Clearly not.

Mind enlightening me?

[gloomy raft]

its not oc

so it wont connect im guessing

[tepid charm]

solar heat applied to shields doesnt get generated directly by the shield, it gets applied to it

[twilit matrix]

Ah, ok.

[tepid charm]

hull heat, not part heat

[twilit matrix]

I remember seeing that a while ago, I just forgot.

[tepid charm]

so instead i need to turn this thing into a giant dyson vacuum

[twilit matrix]

The logic behind it still doesn't make complete sense to me, to be honest - I'd assume that the cooling system used for the part would be able to handle heat applied in a different way as well, but I guess not.

[tepid charm]

blame the devs

[twilit matrix]

Yeah, I know.

[gloomy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-18208119

soon?

[tepid charm]

i made a ship fully capable of skating along the sun a couple days ago

but walt specifically asked me for it for testing

the very next patch? increased solar damage and heat application

https://tenor.com/view/cat-triggered-gif-26561244

so im gonna bust my back making a ship capable of dealing with the patched sun

[narrow blade]

still works

[tepid charm]

bruh

this isnt enough lmao

[narrow blade]

why are you making a omnidirectional sundiver

that serves practically no purpose just make a super good frontal heat system

[tepid charm]

because its a hell of a lot safer than strafing and spamming r towards the sun

ive said this like 3 times now

the simple answer is its way less annoying to control

ok with how much this scales its basically impossible to get it to full impenetrability

shame

[tepid charm]

youve made your point clear

maybe ill try something like that when they add a look here and only here and only strafe to move control for ships

huh, actually it looks like the problem might just be not enough radiators

might not need this many exchangers?

[delicate moss]

lol what if we did a sundiving tournament where we blasted each contestant ship with more and more heat

[tepid charm]

nah

[charred lantern]

You could just give up on the omni-directional shielding and have more space for vents...

[tepid charm]

:)

[narrow blade]

small shield stacking is incredibly powerful for sundivers

[tepid charm]

im not gonna repeat myself

[charred lantern]

Like this...

[narrow blade]

you can use tcms

i think those can throw out more heat than radiators

this dumpster fire can make it pretty close to the sun before the heat starts exploding

[charred lantern]

Interesting

I would think needing to dive hundreds of times for the resources you could've gotten in 1 dive would be more annoying, but what do I know...

[tepid charm]

what?

hundreds of times??

[charred lantern]

An exaggeration

[tepid charm]

the entire purpose of this ship is to be capable of lingering in the suns radius permanently

[narrow blade]

what if spinning sundiver

[tepid charm]

its meant to be a single dive for everything

[narrow blade]

so you can like have all heat exchangers taking heat out of the shields at once

[tepid charm]

just a different way of achieving it

maybe cant clear the sun of resources entirely before storage fills up, but i can work on that

actually, about the exchanger conundrum it looks like the actual problem was just me not paying attention to the thermal batteries, the exchangers are working fine even with plenty removed

it just needed more radiators is all

[charred lantern]

Yeah....

They have no issue soaking up all the heat, it's the radiators that are the issue

If all your radiators are on, you need more

[tepid charm]

yeah clearly

ill see what i can do

[narrow blade]

2 radiators per oc extended small shield seems to be enough

main issue is crew cant get to the shields fast enough to resupply them

picture of dumpster fire

[charred lantern]

In combat, it's fine if your radiators are all on, because you're not always building heat from OC shields, but in this case, the heat doesn't stop

[tepid charm]

yeah

im just trying to keep an eye on the thermal batteries

they're on the low end but im still seeing damage if enough exchangers are removed

hm

[narrow blade]

spot the sundiver

also like. new sundiver meta unlocked

[prisma dock]

Looks like a god damn black hole

[tepid charm]

looks like i found the right balance for the front

sides time

as for the rear, i actually dunno why but on both of these ships theyve needed extra exchangers on the rear

[eager gyro]

here you go

actualy prob should add Celeste to the text

[tepid charm]

💀

[eager gyro]

better

-# i have no idea if its actualy better or not

[next urchin]

You could put Madeline on his head

[narrow blade]

@eager gyro you shouldve put this image trust me

[eager gyro]

will do lol

[narrow blade]

yeah!

[dark lily]

That character's name is Madeline, who climbs Mount Celeste

[narrow blade]

damn they got a mountain as a part of the dev team in cosmoteer

[next urchin]

Madeline is my profile picture

[dark lily]

uhhhhhhhhhh

smoke bomb

[tepid charm]

doing its job

polishing the instabilities rn

the rear and sides look fine too

it cant get too close to the point where the shields are clipping into the sun itself for too long, but its working

cant wait for walt to ask me for this ones ship file so he can turn the sun heat even higher

[narrow blade]

made this dumpster fire

[tepid charm]

nice

didnt consider trying to make a 16 shield diver

[narrow blade]

i needed the shields since they are oc

runs on less crew but its like astronomically expensive

[tepid charm]

neat

[flat skiff]

saris said smoke bomb, not flashbang

[tepid charm]

wh

[flat skiff]

just tryna be funny 😔

[tepid charm]

oh

[narrow owl]

no way in hell that speed buff-buff is usable

[kind estuary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs&t=162s

[kind estuary]

❤️

also side note.... I THINK Celeste may have gotten into the yellow/green reactor juice

[remote charm]

Correct

[lusty gulch]

well, it should be hotter the close to the sun, but maybe less hot near the edge

[vague aurora]

Cosmoteer Chaingun here being more dysfunctional than the Austro-Hungarian empire 😭

[devout fox]

They should rework it so it's a 1x2 part with 3x4 magazines

[wind vale]

lmaoooo

[remote wadi]

Oh god, what did you guys do to the chain gun again? Lol

[tepid charm]

unspeakable things

[remote wadi]

The sun damage is a bit annoying. As well as red clouds. Sometimes I feel like I barely touch them and then my ship gets desintegrated before I can react. (probably at 8x speed).

[charred lantern]

Does it count as a bug that extended OC Small shield is not affected by the sun until it enters normal shield range?

[tranquil wedge]

Its just how the sun is coded right now so its at least not an oversight

Its the same reason seperate ships can not protect each other from the sun

[tame comet]

this is a thing in stable

id say no

[charred lantern]

oh it works when parts that would be burned enter the sun's radius

[kind estuary]

Why did my game remove default always show stats, and where is the option to turn this back on x.x

have to hold alt to look at every part's stats now

[lusty zealot]

ship editor tab i think

i had to do the same thing

[kind estuary]

THANK YOU!

i couldnt even take screen shots because my hotkey for it has conflicts while holding alt

[charred lantern]

omg thank you, I was hating holding Alt

[static rune]

Why can I not make a dyson sphere? ;.;

[verbal torrent]

you can when hinges

(and illegal ships)

[twilit matrix]

Yeah, it's a shame that doesn't work.

But, if it would be too laggy, that's that.

[charred lantern]

Not for this reason

But rather because orbits do not exist

[static rune]

Don't need orbits while Huge Ships mod exists. Just build around the sun 5head!

[near flax]

i really want OC thrust to have blue flames and shock diamonds

[grim gyro]

hell yeah

[delicate moss]

as much as I'd like this, I really worry about it getting confused with radiators

[near flax]

different blue color

[delicate moss]

if you make the flame bright enough that's not an issue, but still, the idea of a jet being something but oh, this other jet is actually thrust, not dissipation, seems odd

[near flax]

something like this

[delicate moss]

it's pretty cyan.. maybe like a weird blue-purple?? Idk, personally I'd make the trail yellow-white instead

yeah see, this is the color of vents

obviously it's a different hue than this, but it's still quite the difference from orange

[tame comet]

make radiators blow orange air because the air is hot

[delicate moss]

OC ion beams are a little pinker, OC shields add a blue or orange tint on top of the purple glow and keep it. No OC parts change the color that drastically

[delicate moss]

wait a damn min-

But yeah anyways, Cosmoteer relies heavily on colors to discern what parts do what. So I worry that changing the color of something on the color wheel by an almost complete 180 degree rotation is too drastic

demonic red or bright yellow would be baller though

[charred lantern]

Cyan? No, you thinking indigo

Cyan is blue-green, indigo is blue-purple

[narrow blade]

it would be so awesome to edit the color of the radiator thing

[flat skiff]

are engine rooms supposed to increase the heat generated?

bc on thrusters it says at 100% thrust they make X heat..

so a thruster outputting 150% thrust should generate 1.5*X heat..?

[tranquil wedge]

It scales with heat not thrust

should be correct otherwise

[lost sapphire]

I thought the same, the 100% makes it confusing. Maybe have it say max thrust instead of 100% for the heat stat specifically?

[tame comet]

i have never found it confusing personally

however it is a possibility

[marsh aurora]

First image is from small shield and second from large shield.
Large shield is taking all the modifiers of small shield. That includes the Reinforced and Extended modifiers. I know that Large Shield can't get ShieldOverclockExtended buff and ShieldOverclockReinforced buff and therefore those will always be 0, but even though it is weird...

[vocal trout]

rip sacretis

[lusty gulch]

Superheated flames turn blue -> invisible

[heavy berry]

Does someone know a way to make rail fanning working whit OC Railguns?

[mild gazelle]

The OC is meant for rail fanning to not work

You can kinda get it if you target something earlier than your target and turn really slow

[dark lily]

Rail focusing also works, where you disconnect parts of your ship and tilt them

[remote wadi]

Just an idea I wanted to share. Could ships auto-path around the sun a bit further? Or perhaps take into account ships in formation? (Though I can see the second one causing problems)

I've had ships get scraped off into the sun in formation before and crashing into an NPC ship could also do the same.

Additional idea: maybe the sun could passively heat up ships to a point while being near the sun even outside of the sun's damage zone. It could be annoying and not contribute to gameplay, but could also add another dynamic to the heat mechanics and make fighting near the sun a viable strategy to exploit ships not equipped to handle heat soak.

[pale python]

I think the overclocked disruptor should not deal damage when penetrating operational parts

example

and how easily it tears unarmored

compared to non-overclocked

Uhhhh crash when alt tabbing and deleting my oc railgun

not sure how it happened

[devout fox]

I think the point is to ensure that they cannot be used as internal parts. Otherwise, you can fire them through your own cannons or armour with no penalty

[pale python]

i mean yeah
but it can be fixed with one of these solutions:

• reduce penetration speed and suddenly doing that reduces effective range drastically
• use a damagepool to limit its damage, would basically act like just hits the first block (basically that [max damage] stat of ocrail and other penetrating shots)
• disable friendly penetration (maybe disable junk too?)

or doing the simplest that is reducing damage

[verbal torrent]

wait it has friendly penetration and not as an oversight?

[charred lantern]

Friendly penetration...

[charred lantern]

I wanna say, whoever did the little sparks in the Radiator thrust, cheffs kiss

[kind estuary]

thank you! definitely was not intended to deal damage after initial impact. OC disruptor is supposed to deal a tiny bit of damage on impact point, and then penetrate for zero damage through the ship to apply the drain debuff

friendly penetration?

[wind vale]

as in it penetrates through the same ship or friendlies i think

[marsh aurora]

I know that I have mods, but I think that crew doesn't like to walk through crossing pipes...
None of the parts are overclocked. I simply laid the pipes

However, if the reactors have some space (there is a corridor between the reactor and the crossing) crew does move by

[lusty gulch]

Probably just lazy crew ai

[marsh aurora]

How does shield overload status vanishes?

[verbal torrent]

fascinating scaling on the shield size

[marsh aurora]

#1272181420579749949

[tribal ridge]

this is literly a counter to my 5dc and old 8dc (my 16 dc is to wide and now 8dc can shoot backwards)

[covert coyote]

I think you were missing doors

[marsh aurora]

lol, you are right

Those should be bought automatically...

[covert coyote]

tell that to the FE

[unique needle]

how do I dissapate heat from an overclocked ion beam? I understand how the heat pipes and radiators work, but the ion beam emitter doesn't seem to connect to the heat pipes at all

[dark lily]

Can you post the ship that you're working with?

[unique needle]

how?

[tame comet]

post a screenshot or send the ship png

[unique needle]

I tried putting heat pipes next to the ion beams but it didn't work

at least, they don't look like they connect

[dark lily]

The pipes can only connect where you could otherwise put doors, so that is to say one of the four sides at the base of the ion

[unique needle]

?

[dark lily]

Pipes won't connect to parts unless they're overclocked

[unique needle]

oh, I see

that is what I was missing

Ugh, I completely have to redesign this ship. was hoping to just refit an old design

[dark lily]

Heh, yeah updating existing ships with thermal systems is nigh impossible

[unique needle]

If you have enough heat dissapation, is there any downside to keeping a weapon overclocked constantly?

[dark lily]

Just the cost in heat logistics, space and cost-wise

[unique needle]

Do the lightning strikes of the overclocked ion beam get stopped by shields?

[opal moon]

yes

mostly

nevermind i'm not sure how much

[dark lily]

I believe if there's tiles close enough to the projection of the shield it can hit those, but that might have been patched

[livid thunder]

keeping a weapon overclocked constantly is a good idea

that way you don't get surprised when it performs worse under overclocking

[granite sapphire]

not if theres tiles close by that the ions can chain to

[lusty zealot]

i think they chain to other shields as well? could be wrong

[trail igloo]

Turning off oc puts the part in a cooldown, so it'e currently either oc all the time or not at all

[tribal ridge]

Well i went from ocdc spam to oc flanks spam

And somehow my flanks are working better and are surviving longer (i know it cus i fighted artem and my ships or did big damage and died or eve survived sometimes)

[remote wadi]

Ocdc, my favorite punk rock band

And disorder

Couldn't decide which one was funnier.

[marsh aurora]

Instead of showing the Railgun Exponent Bonus when Overclock on the launcher, wouldn't it fit better to show it on the accelerator? Specially considering that the base Railgun Exponent is shown on the accelerator and not the launcher

Same with the accelerator charge time

[woven aurora]

Does the thermal pumps power use grow with each attached trl?

seems like it does but isn't mentioned in the tooltip

[granite sapphire]

ye and heat gen too

by how much each? who knoooooows

[lusty gulch]

lol, didnt know u could put the heat output off a OC reactor DIRECTLY into an TRL

[near flax]

wdym

[lusty gulch]

u can place an OC reactor directly next to an Thermal Resonance Lance and the TRL will take the heat.

[near flax]

TRL does have a bit of heat disipation yeah

[verbal torrent]

very peculiar, it doesn't generate pipes but it still connects it

[near flax]

oh

yeah all heat parts (TRL and TCM) work as piping

[verbal torrent]

does all go through the center, also something in common with the other two dissipation parts (radiator and TCM launcher)

thermal battery also seems to be connected, although there's not much opportunity for that to matter because it only connects to one side (like crew quarters)

[lusty gulch]

LOL

[verbal torrent]

maybe a fringe case of it working?

[lusty gulch]

most improtantly: u can still put a door on the SAME place.

DOOR PIPE has been archived.

quick someone delete this before celeste or walt see this and murder us ;XD

[coarse spindle]

There is no pipe the crew just leave the door open to let the heat go through

[granite sapphire]

you can make chains of thermal batteries on larger ships to make large battery arrays without using any pipes

[fallow spade]

Has anyone else experienced the game freezing, seemingly when loading a still burning wreck? At least that's what I've noticed being different from other cases when I had my storage ship go around the map cleaning up.

(Where it did not freeze)

(It doesn't crash either, just stays frozen for like 3-4 seconds)

[marsh aurora]

Railgun needs to reorganize the overclocked stats
https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1396960033979367586

[verbal torrent]

how long did the shield change animation take

[mild gazelle]

I bet @quiet vine would love to answer that (hopefully not too long)

[pale python]

-# guys this is definitive proof of Sacretis being a sleeper agent dev

[verbal torrent]

🤔

[verbal torrent]

oh my, the friendly penetration is real!

[dark lily]

Hmm, put on a built-in, and watch it get patched, or not 🤔

[narrow blade]

put it on a built-in, regret later if it gets patched

[twilit matrix]

Backup, V2?

[devout fox]

Doesn't it require self targeting? I don't think AI can use that

[frigid gull]

Def add it then maybe it wont be patched xD

also you need fiendly fire to be on oof.

[verbal torrent]

sounds like a job for the ultimate ship Ragnarok

[lost sapphire]

another reason that can cause some confusion is the MRT. The Nozzle's heat generation [350 heat/sec (100% thrust)] increases the higher the thrust percentage is, but that is not the case for the other thrusters.
-# the reply is late because I just started testing MRTs

[tame comet]

oh yea that makes sense actually

that can be confusing

[vague haven]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-dance-dance-move-hands-up-raise-em-up-gif-15829210

[quasi meteor]

I’m on really bad WiFi right now and I waited so long for this to load thinking it was a cool meltdown ship

[kind estuary]

I think neither of us want to use or nerf this tech. Requires self targetting, eventually killing your own armor and even disruptorring your own parts when at angles.

Honestly this looks like a case where if anybody actually found a strong case to use it, they might thank nerfs for freeing them from the super annoying amount of micro it would need in actual combat

[static rune]

Self tageting does lend toward "barrel" type weapon layouts, instead of armored turrets.

[tranquil cape]

roof turrets balanced around how far your able to put them behind stuff (going further behind makes them weaker)

[charred lantern]

I had a dream ss had a balanced OC

[verbal torrent]

an inbetween may or may not be OP

[devout fox]

Neither are really overpowered currently though, right? Extended has extra cost without a HP increase and reinforced has even more cost

[verbal torrent]

yee, ..at least as far as I'm seeing
but extended range, plus health, for approximately same arc as normal operation...might be, even with heat in consideration

[charred lantern]

I was thinking of it as a default arc with more health per power and a heat cost from taking damage

Like reinforced without being concentrated

[static rune]

If the OC Large shield trimmed off the corners, it could ALSO have a focused/spread toggle, with the spread being almost 270 degrees... IF you have 270 degrees unobstructed by armor or other systems.

[unique needle]

I don't quite understand the use case for the overclocked ion beam. It has a much larger AOE, but seems much worse at penetrating through multiple layers of armor, so in practice it seems like it will be worse than a normal ion beam most of the time, especially since you have to spend much more volume to add the heat pipes and radiators

[tame comet]

it eats shields, and doesn't suffer nearly as badly as regular ions in terms of overkill damage. it also spreads its damgae a lot easier and can hit things off to the side. its much better for big enormous ion cores that reach so much damage they instantly kill armor in 1 tick.

its intentionally worse at armor i believe, because regular ions are really good at penetrating through regular armor

[near flax]

it also deals a bunch more damage

[lusty zealot]

aye, it's a lot more brute force

[jaunty gyro]

it is definitely useful for when an enemy ship is maneuverable and you can't quite get your regular ion beam array to hit it, an overclocked one can start stripping off stuff it's not even directly aiming at

[charred lantern]

what about the use case for OCed Chaingun?

when you need a lot of holes in the enemy?

[lusty zealot]

higher DPS overall and especially when just starting to fire, concentrated bursts of damage help break through 1 spot, better accuracy is just useful

[floral saffron]

ok but what are you even going to do with a 270 degree shieldf

[granite sapphire]

yeah. 270 degree coverage is hardly useful outside of edge cases, especially further with ls's mechanic of projection restriction

180 is like all you need in their context

[verbal torrent]

and without making it awkwardly longer, it'd be difficult to properly convey something wider than 180°

[charred lantern]

what about a longer, flatter shield?

[verbal torrent]

flat shield is surprisingly something not done (although back in classic there was a reeeal good attempt with a far-away emitter and a thin arc bloated by the otherwise phenomenal radius, and i can't remember how much of a hand i had in pitching a solution...)

[tame comet]

i dont know if its just me, but now that i know meltdown is getting close to release, im excited

im excited to actually get out of preview and start a run with my friend and friends again tbh

[lusty zealot]

what's stopping you from doing that now?

[charred lantern]

probably a fear of major changes, but idk their reason

[verbal torrent]

version jump maybi

tho if it's very active, can get there before it even goes to

forgot if the meltdown faction would be unveiled at release of meltdown or a future update

one thing i can say for sure about the meltdown update; it sure had a lot more certainty than the missile rework: the flak couldn't decide what it wanted to be (although 4 barrels was surprisingly early on)

and funnily there was an incendiary in the works back then but it had no reason to exist in classic

[lusty zealot]

unsure

[tame comet]

the faction, blueprints, + new career stuff, new balance changes, possible bugs

to be very blunt with you i can afford a TRL + amp pump and shield and have 75 credits left over, i dotn think thast very fair atm, so im waiting for meltdown to release so i can see how many credits i can cut before going insane

[tame comet]

TRL + amp pump and shield and have 75 credits left over,
this is on top of 6 crew and a cockpit and a reactor and 4 tiny thrusters (be sure to mount them to the TRL unlike me, so i had to limp back home)

TRL having passive heat dissipation was made for this moment

[static rune]

Without cutting the corners off, 190-ish is all you get.

[wind vale]

what about 270 degree but the less of its arc is available the stronger it gets, so like same heat stats but it starts out at 270 degree 45k hp and ends at like only 1 shield node thingy at like idk 135k, i think it's balanced because at that point it will only barely cover itself (with some small gaps on the sides) and nothing else but that might not be enough so idk heat stats can also scale, smaller=more heat per damage up to like idk 1 heat per damage on 1 node

[static rune]

I mean, with 270 it means the shield generator has to be hanging out, completely exposed, AND it means Walt needs to make graphic changes to the generator itself. The limitation not to project over objects really messes with it's ability to project more than 180, because it is itself an object.

270 is just the theoretical maximum for "Overclock extended mode" with reasonable accomidations.

[vocal trout]

by any chance does the center of mass change basecause of active hitboxes or smth? sayyyyyyy cg firing

[lusty gulch]

QOL: add Engine Room to M.R.T. sub Editor Group, i was like wait i have to go back to get my ER?

[jaunty gyro]

That's not a bad idea

some redundancy is good with the editor groups

[coral cove]

Are custom editor groups a thing for vanilla?
If not imma probs suggest that

[verbal torrent]

especially since TRL does this too

[unique needle]

Can I chain overclocked weapons to pass heat through them or does each weapon need a heat pipe connected directly?

[devout fox]

Each weapon, aside from dedicated heat weapons (TRL and TC missiles) requires heat pipes to be connected directly. Railguns are about halfway in-between, where they only need one connection to cool the whole gun, not a connection for each segment

[verbal torrent]

technically not ovrrclocked, but as for heat pipes...

you can chain thermal canister launchers, but nothin else (TRLs would but can't due to another restriction)

everything else requires a dedicated heat pipe connexion

[verbal torrent]

oo wait, only one for the whole railgun?! 👀

that part could be a lil more intuitive

[devout fox]

You also don't need nearly as much dedicated cooling as they suggest, if you use structure to support cooling them. As long as you can keep them below the threshhold where they'll melt, you'll be fine

[verbal torrent]

meanwhile MRTs get fires because the engine room doesn't connect there

[pale python]

I really need to combine that list of broken collider parts

[lusty gulch]

wdym? we can have favorites?

another QOL: ER FORCE OC'ed Thruster should also deOC once the ER OC is turned off.

also thrusters still self ignite if crew leave OC ER for even 1 sec.

[cerulean prairie]

Release of Meltdown! (I wasn't sure either, but now I am!)

[verbal torrent]

so it's all gonna be done in one update!

[cerulean prairie]

There will definitely be patches/QoL/balance after the first big update, but most all of the big things will be in it yes.

New faction will be in RC1, so you'll see it before the actual stable update.

[verbal torrent]

did sorta figure that much

[cerulean prairie]

There are some OC ideas that we didn't get to either. (I'm personally most excited for OC hyperdrive.)

[verbal torrent]

honestly unsure how that'd work, unless...

knowing the tractor beam...would it be how the blink drive comes in?!

[cerulean prairie]

would it be how the blink drive comes in?!
I can neither confirm nor deny that OC hyperdrives are blink drives. ||They're blink drives.||

[coral cove]

When you select certain parts it opens a sub menu of related parts. I was wondering if you can make custom ones. IE I select a part and it opens a custom menu with parts I want related to that
E.G. I could make it so when selecting a DC it opens a page with DC, Quarters, Ammo Factory, Capacitor

[cerulean prairie]

Currently no, but an interesting idea. The closest you can currently get to that is the favorites system.

[coral cove]

alr, well I will probs make a #1019739575683399840 post on it then ^-^

[jaunty gyro]

Any plans for another preview patch today before my friend and I load up our co-op game and the patch immediately drops? lol

[lusty gulch]

yes it modable. prob fine to do it "locally" only too. but i guess u meant having to ability to do it ingame?

[coral cove]

yee I am aware it is moddable. I was asking if it was possible to have a vanilla option for it, like the favourite system

[quiet vine]

So this was actually more @next urchin than it was me, although we ended up going back and forth on it quite a bit to work through some of the new challenges OC shields presented. Her original version/draft of the effect already had the arc smoothly changing but I did end up spending some time adding some new code/features to ensure that the hexes themselves didn't get squished in the process. The new bigger OC hexes sliding in over the top was something that took almost no time because it uses the same existing feature where shields grow out from the emitter when they turn on (rather than fading from a smaller size to full size as they turn on I fade them from a larger size to normal size).

What took the most time was definitely just figuring out what the bigger OC shields should look like in the first place, here's a screenshot of my folder of iterations:

[verbal torrent]

fascinatinge

[jaunty gyro]

hexagon paradise...

[lusty gulch]

Would u be willing / allowed to donate / share these for modders?

[tame comet]

@lusty zealot i remember you asking a while ago about if fire (unsure if caused by trl specifically?) still explodes ammo or sulfur. i just checked. storage at literally 99% health and it exploded while on fire. i can give a firm and finally concrete "yes it does" to the question you had a while ago

[tepid charm]

anyone got opinions on the stuff in the thread i popped into ideas/feedback

mostly asking for stuff on the weapon concept

anyways, anything new comin? saw that the hyperdrives when overclocked might become blink drives, sounds baller

[lusty zealot]

aight