Meltdown Update Preview

[light stratus]

oh great

[hollow gull]

some of them go black in the middle

[light stratus]

welcome back OC CG mag bug, died OC CG rework 1, reborn OC CG mini rework 2

celest must be going insane lmao

[rough dock]

If the heat pipes are insulated enough to radiate zero heat, how do they glow? Did the engineers just coat all the pipes in LEDs?

[light stratus]

i imagine them like those copper water vapour vacumn pipes

anyway when something gets hot, it glows

anyway it's a balance thing that they dont radiate like rooms

[bitter steppe]

Yessssssssss

[light stratus]

and slightly realistic

[bitter steppe]

Structure Heatsinks are real 🔥

[hollow gull]

also I went back to double check if I was just seeing ghosts or something and it is real, the chaingun mags were wonky

[light stratus]

old bug turned new

[hollow gull]

sometimes a mag in the middle was depeleted, and sometimes the back ones would flicker

and i think they might be firing at different rates? because I think they're loading at different speeds, but I haven't verified that

[light stratus]

it was previously triggered when OC CGs would go past the max fire rate and trail into infinite fire rate and "clog up"

so probably?

[bitter steppe]

Since the surface dissipation value turned out to be a typo, people had already found cool and unique ways to utilize it for builds, so we wanted to let structure blocks have high dissipation value to act as heatsinks as another cool way to dissipate with surface area

[hollow gull]

but it isn't doing it now so idk

oh I figured it out

[light stratus]

and it's a cheap way to use OC on small ships, allowing THE OC faction to use OCs on ships that radiators would be too expensive for

two birds one stone

[hollow gull]

it only does it on the first mag after spawning the ship

can someone bug report that please

[light stratus]

huh

[hollow gull]

yeah so after it reloads and stuff it seems to work

but on a freshly spawned ship it does it

oh thats weird

the original ship chainguns also didnt catch fire while the copies of the ship did

[minor valve]

damn i didnt even realise you could make em the other way around

how have i never tried just flippin the chaingun mags

[hollow gull]

this is the best way

anyway good luck devs have a great day

[light stratus]

it works really really well for rifled CGs like above

[gloomy raft]

@hollow gull @lusty zealot i just spent over 40 minutes writing down my Chain gun thoughts based on yesterday and now its so long im too embarassed to post it 😭.

[remote wadi]

I might steal this setup

That's pretty sexy.

[remote wadi]

Wait, how do crew get in there? Is that a PvP only ship?

I guess you guys don't need airlocks in PvP... Just weld the crew inside.

[prisma halo]

there's a glitch for it.

you can trap crew in campaign

just takes some planning

[remote wadi]

Is the planning more involved than just adding doors/airlocks? Lol

[prisma halo]

*when you have limited crew

[agile wolf]

This seems to work pretty fine, no need to OC the Extinguisher
Edit: 3x1 Wedges work even better, causing no fires at all

[prisma halo]

what- is that gun?

is that vanilla??

[agile wolf]

Welcome to Meltdown Preview, where Overclocks is the hot new thing

That's the default Small Laser with safety turned off, aka overlclocked

[prisma halo]

ic

why @silent

[agile wolf]

Force of habit, don't want to give double notifications in quick succession.

[remote wadi]

Structure radiators ❤️

[hollow gull]

i use put an airlock for the career version

[agile wolf]

Mockup to test OC Shield, works with no real issues

(wait how do you share pngs properly?)

[dry willow]

Does structure armor also count for cooling bonuses?

[agile wolf]

In this very recent patch yeah

[agile wolf]

#1370799036591898837 message

[dry willow]

Like, the 2x1 armor wedge with structure

As opposed to raw structure

[agile wolf]

I actually don't know the techincal details, but in my testing it might be better

Seems to not matter whichever you pick, as long as the structures occupy the same amount of tiles (3 structure blocks and a 3x1 structure wedge sinks similar heat)

[devout fox]

Open your ship library. There should be a button with three lines (also known as the "hamburger menu"), which should bring up a few options when you click it. Press "open folder". Then, you can drag ships from your saved ships folder into discord

[agile wolf]

Thanks

[near flax]

its gonna be fun to mess with and interesting for domination

ty for pushing for this change devs and balance council

@next urchin what is the diffusion speed from structure to other structure? it doesnt seem that high

[gloomy raft]

i did it.

[lusty zealot]

redo of these tests with the latest OCCG iteration. it performs much better in terms of ammo efficiency, though loses out a bit on the DPS advantage. feels a lot chunkier and definitely knock off bits of a ship, the accuracy improvement helps quite a bit

[next urchin]

Should be 25x since it's the average

[near flax]

alr

ty

[granite sapphire]

cgcgcgcgcg

[frigid gull]

Hosting Dom meltdown!

[prisma dock]

So vs armor OC is negligibly worse?

[lusty zealot]

it actually got through the armoured target a bit quicker in test 3

though it did slightly worse vs the stacked shields and armour in test 2

[prisma dock]

It seems to me like in test 2 the OC CG is behind even when it finally reaches the shields.

[lusty zealot]

slightly yeah, it could be to do with it being closer range so the base CG loses a bit less from spread than test 3

OCCG also does break more of the armour around the destruction path than the base CG, due to the explosion

[tepid charm]

any way to revert the submenu thing

ngl its super annoying having to click off the menu to get back to the other components in the tab i was in

would prefer just scrolling

[granite sapphire]

cool stuff

[granite sapphire]

how is it still so much worse? it looks barely even more ammo efficient

is there some weird expl damage/overkill stuff going on here

i assume thats it

i also feel like oc cg could start at a bit higher rampup value to incentivize shorter mags

it does look substantially stronger vs shields, and underperforming relatively vs internals, which checks out. i suppose we'll see

[lusty zealot]

yeah i've proposed that too

[lusty zealot]

underperforming vs internals?

seems to break them pretty well

[granite sapphire]

everything not shields

[lusty zealot]

especially with explosion damage

[granite sapphire]

cg does even better imo

you can see that base cg is p much toe to toe with oc cg vs armor and internals

and thats even ignoring the obvious issue of oc cg needing cooling, cred/cred its probably objectively worse

[lusty zealot]

OCCG did break test 3 a decent bit quicker

[granite sapphire]

barely quicker, and thats with the exact same mag count and also extra investment in cooling

cred per credit i dont doubt base cg would easily outstrip oc cg in this regard, though there isnt anything inherently wrong with that

vs shields it is very impressive so im hopeful

[lusty zealot]

i've been testing a couple of builtin-style ships with OCCG and they seem to be doing pretty well

admittedly one of them does also use OCrails so that might be slightly skewing the results

[grim gyro]

"slightly"

[granite sapphire]

ill send my cg cruiser rammer hybrid later

ive been working on some prototype designs and landed on one that actually works alright

[grim gyro]

i feel like oc rails could potentially be amazing on rammers

[granite sapphire]

there were a couple oc rail rammer designs iirc

issue is that rammers just arent that good in this meta

[lusty gulch]

• Fixed “'0' cannot be greater than -{x}” crash caused by out of date heat network MaxResources data

wait so that bug is still around? lingering data of resourcestorages crashing?

[lusty gulch]

OCDC firerate being halfed is intentional? ahh bcs it gains x2 range

[granite sapphire]

and a lot of penetration

[lusty gulch]

well until out of dmg

but yesss

[granite sapphire]

OC CGs fire their first volley early when force fired, firing before they are aimed at their fixed target

[granite sapphire]

oc cg feel like they are in a good enough place now, past the mentioned bug

at least balance wise

[delicate moss]

Is this what the final UI is going to look like for the tabbed groups? I can't help but feel like it looks unfinished/basic

like, the UI's glow as an outline would go a really long way here as an example

[pale python]

wdym

[granite sapphire]

Carbon Footprint Mk2 - OC CG Rammer-Cruiser Hybrid

performs pretty well from my limited testing, oc cgs are now competent and well tuned imo

[delicate moss]

these icons for the tabbed groups (in this ss the ion beam, railgun and armor) look kinda unfinished, just having the part png is odd to me

if you added a glow to the parts in this UI menu specifically, or some kind of outline, mimicking the style of the button, I think it'd go a long way

[pale python]

makes sense

[delicate moss]

idk if walt & co have a plan for that or not though

[pale python]

Walternate Realities*

[delicate moss]

you will be boiled

[floral saffron]

you mean like

ish

[tame comet]

no. i imagine they're placeholders as the heat icon was before

also there goes years of muscle memory

[floral saffron]

is walter hartwell white going to be an icon version for every block with a tabbed group

[pale python]

i doubt its gonna be placeholders

like its supposed to just be the part itself

i imagine every part that needs to be grouped having its own custom icon would be cluttering

[marsh aurora]

In some part of the code, the pipes are named as heat pipes and in other parts only as pipes. I think that they should always be named as heat pipes.....

Probably they won't add more pipes in the future, but if mods do it would be better if the vainilla pipes specify that they are heat pipes in all the code

[delicate moss]

Yeah! THis looks infinitely better than what we have now

[floral saffron]

walt should hire me for 1 tristeel an hour

[pearl phoenix]

Killdozer moment.

[tranquil wedge]

Is there a dev mode tool to see the heat of a part?

[cerulean prairie]

Yeah, press Ctrl+Shift+Tilde and you should get a little dev tools popup on the right side of the screen.

[tranquil wedge]

thats very helpful thanks!

[regal plume]

How do you use it?
(it's got paused fire by default?)

[regal plume]

Anyone know what the point of OCing a Laser Blaster is?
+400dps seems abysmal for a cost of a quarter of a radiator worth of heat (and the relevant piping)...
I can't see a circumstance where you aren't better off just using more Laser Blasters.

[lusty zealot]

celeste, actually

[lusty zealot]

hitscan

[regal plume]

huh, do they miss a lot in PvP? haven't noticed much missing in career...

[lusty zealot]

less so missing a ship, more so not hitting precisely where you want them to due to windup and relative ship movement

OC lasers' higher fire rate (shorter windup) and immediate hitting means they can be used as one hell of a precision tool

and +400dps is not insubstantial

[marsh aurora]

Any idea how much time it will take for Meltdown to be ready? I want to know if I must hurry up with the portability of my mods lol

[craggy heath]

They are vry good in PvP

You don’t need a full radiator per 4 blasters you can negate the cost a lot with thermal batteries to deal with the burst of heat

Lot more dps per credit which is what PvP is optimized around probably even better in career bc your dps per crew is much higher? I dunno I don’t play career

[regal plume]

The accuracy I can sorta get, but is it genuinely more dps per credit?
It's an extra 1000 credits worth of DPS. That's a fifth of a thermal battery and two pipes.

[lusty zealot]

a thermal battery is 2500 credits though?

[devout fox]

If you're concerned about the cost, just use structures to cool them lol

It'll cost you less than 1,000 credits

[twilit matrix]

How do I answer a hail?

[gloomy raft]

open fire maybe? no? just a thought

[twilit matrix]

...

[gloomy raft]

lol

sorry

[narrow owl]

the hail button on the bottom left that blinks ?

Sometimes you get hailed from a ship you cannot see so it doesn't work

(the button also doesn't blink in that case)

[dusky gate]

was there any estimate given on when the preview changes to "unstable" or perhaps even the main line ? 0.29 is so outdated by now...

[lusty zealot]

no-one knows

[dusky gate]

so basically whenever walt feels like it's ready for that

[granite sapphire]

manually firing them in direct control

just mentioning here oc boost feels absolutely awful, its heat production is kinda crazy and thats if you can even get it to sustain in the first place which is really hard with the oc capacitor changes and its power consumption

[lusty zealot]

i think the heat production of OC boost may also partially be a factor of the OC large heat increase

which i think may have gone a little too far

the last thing to happen to OC boost's power consumption was actually a decrease

so it seems that it's just the OCcap changes making it worse on that front

[twilit matrix]

Ah, that would explain it - I couldn't see the ship that was hailing, so the popup just vanished after about five seconds or when I paused without giving me a chance to respond.

[near flax]

agreed, I really liked design wise that a single radiator could cool 2LT

[delicate bay]

It's extremely hard to set up defensive fields with OC Flak right now if your target is outside of Flak range and only uses hit-scan weapons. Can we get a way to set the aim point of OC Flak that's set to infinite fire? Or at least have the aim point always reset to directly forward when all targets are out of range? Maybe have Flak automatically fire on incoming hit-scan weapons instead?

[lusty zealot]

having it automatically fire at hitscan stuff would probably be the best approach but i also imagine it's difficult dev-wise

[agile wolf]

Post it up on https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1019739575683399840

[dark lily]

Give it phantom range. It attempts to fire at a range it doesn't have, leaving flak in an intercept location

[devout fox]

What if I don't want it to fire at ion range?

[next urchin]

Hard to fire at something that doesn't exist

[dry willow]

If would need to detect the presence of the hitscan beam, maybe fire at a set distance towards it

Prob max range of the flak

But closer would be more beneficial

[devout fox]

Would it be possible to have the flak fire directly at the weapons which are firing at your ship, regardless of range? This would allow them to automatically intercept railguns and intercept hitscan stuff

[tame comet]

is there an overclocked manipulator beam concept yet?

[lusty zealot]

i have an idea but haven't proposed it yet, and to my knowledge there's no other proposals or ideas in the council

[tame comet]

[flat skiff]

#1370961395113267240 message
i made this one a while ago...

[gloomy raft]

i just got this crach in meltdown

[stuck roost]

The idea I had to circumvent this is to make the hitscan weapons hit the cloud instead

If you could make it an object; if thee game engine allows it, like an armor block that's harder to push it just absorbs the hits

[next urchin]

They do?

Like this is the current behaviour

[remote wadi]

I haven't messed with structure cooling yet.

As is, does it allow for continuously used OCs without overheating or does it just provide more of a buffer but not entirely keep up with the cooling?

I like the idea of structure cooling being an alternative option to armor (as they both want to occupy the same space), so there's a tradeoff.

The only downside is even more things will be OC'd in meta. If people weren't going to OC practically everything with a full thermal system already, now they can still OC half the ship possibly, though at the expense of making more weak points.

I'm curious if structure cooling will decrease the amount of full thermal systems used in meta as structure cooling seems like a viable alternative

[granite sapphire]

structure cooling isnt a huge consideration in the meta for 90% of modules, the space it takes is massive and it requires rly spacing apart stuff which is pretty bad

at least so far. its undeveloped at least

but its really unwieldy and weird

i dont think it is really very good in elimination, at least. probably better in dom, but the same issue of lack of compactness is really bad

[remote wadi]

I figured it would only be used on side/rear mounted stuff, like thrusters, maybe single ion beams (if those are ever used in meta, probably not though), etc.

And considered how cheaply people could make a gun wall with OC'd shields behind it the whole way without any active heat parts

[granite sapphire]

i will predict it will be seen a fair bit in dom as its rly good cred/cred on some particular parts like standard thrusters and small lasers

but having to make your ship artificially larger and space stuff out is really bad for so many things

[remote wadi]

It seems like a good place to be so far. Additional building options/mechanics but not too impactful on competitive.

[granite sapphire]

i dont think itll be seen much at all in elimination with its far higher budget and requirement for compact and tight design, which is fine

its a niche mechanic in the first place

[remote wadi]

I wish competitive and career building styles were more in line with each other haha

But they are completely different. Career ships need to last a lot longer and be largely self sufficient

[tame comet]

certain career ships could definitely be used in pvp to decent effect

pvps building style from what i know is mostly for optimal play

minus stuff like ammo factories in career

[remote wadi]

In my experience at least, in career, sacrificial ships aren't very widely used. It isn't until high level combat that I even consider glass cannon / sacrificial ships.

At most, I may just use frigates as a distraction or send out some fighters/nuke bombers on a one way trip to soften up a big target. But I don't have much in terms of expensive gun spam glass cannon ships.

[tame comet]

i dont think pvp ships are very glass cannon-y. its mostly that the other side has so many weapons that they both mind as well be glass cannons

[remote wadi]

And in career, the cost of a ship isn't as big of a factor. The limiting factor is always crew.

By the fifth system we get into, we're fighting level 12, have infinite money and infinite resources (mother ship and/or hauler ships with thousands of resources and millions of credits) so it's entirely about optimizing crew per ship.

Theoretically, the best career ships could be 2 crew frigates that run entirely on OCd small thrusters and OCd PD that all power themselves.

You could have like 500 of them in career lol

[tame comet]

oh yea crew in pvp are a lot cheaper than career tbf

[remote wadi]

Them being cheaper is fair but it's the fame limit that is the issue. We have enough money to buy all the people in the galaxy if we wanted to.

[tame comet]

thats what i mean

[stuck roost]

What was shared in this channel is to have OC flak clouds target 'hitscan' weapons?

[remote wadi]

I thought he meant "they do" as an answer, not a question.

[stuck roost]

I know

I answered to a question with another question, if you've never seen that

[remote wadi]

I can't say for certain but I don't see why hitscan weapons wouldn't hit the flak debris. I believe all projectiles (hitscan or not) will impact flak debris.

Or do you mean OC flak should automatically fire when hitscan weapons are firing?

[tame comet]

yes i think so

[remote wadi]

What hitscan weapons do we have? Gatling, flak, OC medium laser, ion beam...

[tame comet]

mining laseer

[remote wadi]

Good point. Forgot about that one. The OCd mining laser actually gives me enough confidence to use my mining cruiser as a combat ship. Melts though ships and I'm only using 4 of them. I'd normally use 8.

[granite sapphire]

these glass cannon ships are called alpha ships in the pvp community (alpha strike) with the goal of frontloading damage. obviously, taking these ships and plopping them into a career save is a horrible idea, because career is, well, a different gamemode, but you can definitely take a lot of the principles behind them (a strong initial strike of damage for little cost and crew, combined with the requirements to properly field it (varying mobility, defensibility, etc depending on the weapon. for example, an alpha strike oc cg ship needs to be pretty fast and maneuverable, but doesnt need much defense at all. alpha strikes take effectively no crew for damage, since you can reload it between fights, and thats massively valuable for career.

in my career runs i run a LOT of cheeky alpha strike nonsense like railguns or chainguns, relying largely on an initial burst of damage to cripple enemies before they get a say

[stuck roost]

They do not hit flak debris

[eager gyro]

they do, they just need quite a bit of it

[lusty gulch]

can we get all places where u can put down a door as heat ports pls? like on all other parts lol @next urchin (processor factory if not visible)

same goes for coil factory and Hyper coil factory---

[icy eagle]

What?

[lusty gulch]

HE factory vs processor factory

[tame comet]

this smells like an oversight

[lusty gulch]

exactly 😄

[tribal ridge]

ok now I just notist that OC flanks can counter EVERY SHIP TYPE in a 1v1 (at least in some way in 400 000 max price)

[devout fox]

Yeah

There are a few things that can beat it, but not many. It's probably overpowered right now

[tribal ridge]

ye but in my tests it was rare to see a flank ship survive a 2v1 (flank is the 1) but it almoust always won or survived the 1v1 (sometimes it runs out of ammo thow)

[stuck roost]

Mind giving me both these ship files?

[eager gyro]

Can do in probably an hour or several, whenever I can use my computer

[lusty gulch]

when building a ship over a longer duration, build plans seam to get cancelled midway randomly, leaving only a repair option for already halfway build parts

[tepid charm]

is it possible to give thermal missiles full uptime

ive not used launchers all that much outside of modded so figuring out ideal logistics for them has been a neat challenge, ive done decent uptime for he missiles but not for the others yet

and is it possible in any way to disable the build menu submenu mechanic

[dark lily]

Not presently

[cerulean prairie]

We have a date we're shooting for (and it's soon) but until we're 100% sure we can hit it, I'd rather not say.

[eager gyro]

there you go

[lusty gulch]

well the game / update should be actually usable before release.....

not to mention that fire still is spreading wayyy to fast ----

[gloomy raft]

i should prob not be allowed to do this with oc thrusters considering how it looks

[jaunty gyro]

That does remind me, the OC thrusters and their plumes can get a little wild, might be worth toning down the size of the plumes and just giving them a more distinct color to show they're overclocked.

Once in a while I briefly think one of my rooms is on fire but it's just the leftover exhaust from one of my maneuvering thrusters lol

[eager gyro]

perhaps a blueish flame?

[frigid flax]

Shock diamonds!!!

[dark lily]

Just sayin...

[brave fog]

When will be update?💀

[frigid flax]

August 12 2036

[gloomy raft]

20XX

[gloomy raft]

i meant the melee meme tbh but i appreciate this too

[eager gyro]

i have no idea what that is lol

[gloomy raft]

hoping walt does pink flames now just to be contrarian

[gloomy raft]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/20xx its an in joke from people like me who take super smash brothers too seriously lol

[frigid gull]

Hosting Meltdown dom :D

[gloomy raft]

happend again

btw celeste et al lemme know if when u want me to stop posting these please

[near flax]

im not fully sure, i dont think so although im gonna test it

[frigid flax]

heat 🔥

[eager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-sizzling-yummy-food-gif-17768489

[near flax]

theres currently kinda 4 missile launcher setups that are good designs

1. just use storage: cheap, short lived and loses uptime the longer its shooting
2. 2 factories 4 launchers: solid and common setup, was the default factory setup for a while
3. 2 factories (boosted) 6 launchers: using an ammo factory you can boost the production rate of the HE factories so they can support 2 extra launchers, very solid and more cost efficent than #2
4. 1 OC factory 4 launchers: very cost efficient and the newest option, struggles with uptime due to some crew congestion issues

[mild gazelle]

I would say the fourth option is the best, although I'm seeing the same long-run throughput with three launchers off of a factory as four launchers off of a factory. sign it's very under crewed with even 40 crew

[near flax]

i dont think its an undercrewing issue at all, its a congestion issue

[frigid flax]

time to build the front of it

its gonna be nothing but a fuckton of armor

[tepid charm]

can you show me the setups?

i havent made any functional setups using factories

[marsh aurora]

Do you need to take heat for each railgun accelerator or is it transfered to the loader?

[near flax]

heres the tcm full uptime attempt, didnt work, will post my HE setups, the meltdown one may not work cause it was made in early meltdown

[frigid flax]

armor has been added

[near flax]

crew roles included are very important
@tepid charm

[remote wadi]

Sun beam

[gloomy raft]

keep getting the same crash 😦

[next urchin]

You said 'have hitscan weapons hit the cloud' - that's what I was responding to

[next urchin]

That's either a bug or those flak fields were just killed by the beam before the screenshot

[next urchin]

Uhh that's weird it should definitely show the ports on all OC/thermal parts

[mild gazelle]

Nah it's definitely an under crewing issue with 40 crew

I took out the side launcher, which should be making more conjestion

[near flax]

interesting

[next urchin]

Are you made of some material that attracts crashes magnetically or something?

[next urchin]

What are you doing when it happens?

I think I know what needs to change in order to fix it, though

[next urchin]

Ohh, I misunderstood. Yeah, that's a bug. I guess I just missed those doors lol

[gloomy raft]

playing arena with my trl test build and zooming in a bit mostly

[gloomy raft]

irl QA tester. its a ~~ gift ~~ billable service 👀

[lusty gulch]

This thread has already peaked X5 the messages of previous previews

[vocal trout]

its a long preview tbf

superlongform patreon dev stream basically

[vocal trout]

by any chance do you interact with redstone components

anyway this new number display system is a lifesaver

[gloomy raft]

im afraid not. to me thats either QA for some type of system or industry i know nothing about or a minecraft reference. but the answer stays the same 😂

[agile wolf]

OC:ed lasers with structure cooling are pretty good

[tame comet]

wait thats actually kinda neat

nvm rift you were right thats cool

[vocal trout]

(its a cosmoteer injoke about captain redstone)

[gloomy raft]

oh? wdym

[gloomy raft]

maybe we share some core directive.

'it must be broken to be built'

[agile wolf]

'I can fix her' ahh coding equivalent

[gloomy raft]

'all things are made through the unmaking'

[tame comet]

i share a similar quote of "it takes years to build but minutes to break"

[grim gyro]

tf

[opal moon]

weird thing with heat and shields. you need the vent things i forgot the name of already, and quite a few of them as well

[tame comet]

is it just me or do these look way worse on meltdown than they do stable? in the build menu

something changed

[grim gyro]

wtf

[tame comet]

this is pain

my first experience using the TRL is as a starter ship

I TRIED TO MOVE A THRUSTER AND I DONT HAVE AN AIRLOCK

[tame comet]

its ok god has been cooked alive

[lusty gulch]

Apparently an optimization ...

[tame comet]

they look considerably blurrier. i kinda hate it

[marsh aurora]

Anyone knows how much is the passive heat dissipation of stuff and structure?

[eternal ibex]

yeah that blurriness crosses a line of what’s acceptable imo

[frigid flax]

Agree

Especially on bigger screens

[gloomy raft]

heat from the update is blurring whats visible. cos its hot. 😏

[mild gazelle]

Look at the last pinned message

[marsh aurora]

That doesn't help. "halved diffusion speed", "increased [...] to 13x the base", etc. There are changes, but not actual numbers. 13x of what? Half of what?

[mild gazelle]

Hm

Well base is 0.004/s/m into space iirc

[marsh aurora]

First image is from structure and second from heat rules.
I guess that the 25 in the heat rules is actually a percentage cause otherwise it wouldn't match with the structure rules, right? And what about the empty=4? If 25% is occupped and 4% empty, what happens with the rest?

[mild gazelle]

Empty might be empty heat dissipation factor (4x)

[cerulean prairie]

I did change the way those are rendered. I thought they looked better now though? They def look better on the sub-group tab buttons.

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone New Meltdown preview! Thanks for testing!

Balance:

• Reworked Small Shield Overclock:
  • Overclock adds additional 2-mode toggle between ‘Extended’ and ‘Reinforced’
    • Extended: increased arc and projection distance
    • Reinforced: decreased arc, reduced damage energy cost, and added energy drain resistance
• Lowered Career mode drop rate of steel, coils, and hypercoils by 20%.

Other:

• Fixed (hopefully) ArcShield.RecalculateArcRadius null reference crash
• Fixed crash when loading some saved game files with extremely high numbers of star systems.
• Fixed crash when using a numpad key to select a stacked part sub-group.
• Fixed Ion Beams doing double damage to neutral ships.
• Added a toggle to display the ship's center of mass in the ship editor. (Due to technical limitations, the center of mass cannot be displayed in blueprint mode.)
• Added missing side Heat ports on Coil, Hypercoil, and Processor factories
• Moved Hyperdrives into the same editor tab as control rooms and changed its name to "Ship Control".
• If a parts sub-menu is currently open but no part is selected, pressing the Esc key will now close the sub-menu.
• The visual effects for ion beams, thermal resonance beams, and mining beams should now appear smoother.

[zinc ether]

Hmmm

[woven aurora]

Nice

[paper hemlock]

YES THAT SHIELD OC

[livid thunder]

shield overclock is cool

[frail anvil]

I just made recolorable shield

[woven aurora]

I like the shield options

[near flax]

lets fucking go

[livid thunder]

if only they added a similar feature to large...

[pale python]

awesome

[livid thunder]

"but large is already 180 degrees"
so? 270 degree large shield.

[torpid harbor]

soo does that mean shield hp pool increase?

[vague dew]

nice we can use both of those

[deft tartan]

reading your patch notes makes me sometimes wonder

are computers even real

[narrow blade]

they should make oc thrusters blue flame trust me

[torpid harbor]

also I love beta branches for seeing how the product evolves over time

[deft tartan]

pressing a numpad key in this one specifc scenario crashes the game

[marsh aurora]

https://discordapp.com/channels/314103695568666625/1371834545435054080 I knew it was a good idea

[remote charm]

center of mass ❤️

[marsh aurora]

Fixed (hopefully) ArcShield.RecalculateArcRadius null reference crash
Oh god, thanks!!!

[hollow gull]

awesome changes, love the shield toggle

[delicate moss]

YEEES OLD OC SMALL SHIELDS ARE BACK

[tepid charm]

i audibly pogged when i saw the small shield toggle note

[lusty gulch]

• Lowered Career mode drop rate of steel, coils, and hypercoils by 20%.

wtf

[tepid charm]

wait yeah wtf

[agile wolf]

Was it too much? Or is it to incentivize more purchasing or production of parts?

[lusty gulch]

the start of game is already tight enough on exactly these resources AND crew Lel

[tepid charm]

encouraging factory use is kinda neat

ig i still need to come up with a dedicated factory setup with all possible overclocks

[agile wolf]

Oh yeah, overclocked factories are much more efficient too

[tepid charm]

only the ammo factories are more efficient in resource usage though right

wait, they added a CoM display?

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-xd-gif-25410380

me eating these patch notes

[agile wolf]

xD

[tepid charm]

gimme that shit im hoppin on to pop that update

that shit yummy fr

[agile wolf]

All of the factories except Diamond can be overclocked for efficiency

[tepid charm]

really? i didnt see any resource usage difference in the overclock display

but if thats so then cool

[agile wolf]

More for the buck

[icy eagle]

Those look more like signs of underexpansion, try bumping up the exit pressure to match atmospheric pressure.

[agile wolf]

Or wait, am I misinterpreting?

[icy eagle]

1/tri-steel and 1/tri-steel

[icy eagle]

They're asking about more tri-steel from the same amount of tritanium.

[tepid charm]

yeah i thought so theres no difference in usage

you get the same amount of resource from a single chunk

[agile wolf]

Yeah that's what I thought it was. Oops

[tepid charm]

ammo factories give you more ammunition from whatever they take

missile part factories and stuff too

[agile wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/eto-bleh-lythero-oops-gif-17502666730338608637

[tepid charm]

lol whatever all g

ill check the factories again just to make sure

[lusty gulch]

yeah munitions are x2

[tepid charm]

yes

la creatura

somehow i managed to near perfectly get this things balance correct without the com display

[lusty gulch]

@ Celeste the OC text for the Processor factory is showing coils per sec. instead of processors. might bé a german only thing have to double check

[lusty gulch]

oc randomly disabling on a factory ship???

crew are to dumb to be soooooo easily killed by fire smh

[jaunty gyro]

Tell me about it.

[lusty gulch]

modern cosmoteer endboss : crew IQ

ahh yes lets priotize refilling a mining laser over extingushing fires...

[lusty zealot]

YESSS COM TOGGLE LETSGO

[lusty gulch]

COM toggle?

[frigid flax]

Center of mass

[lusty gulch]

ahh yes

HOW IS MY SHIP CONSTANTLY SELF INGITING BCS OC TURNS OFF FOR NO REASON DISCONNECTING PIPES AND IGNITING PARTS-.____::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

why are WE crewing an for 5 sec + disabled mining laser instead of EXTINGUSHING::::_

[devout fox]

Assign the crew that are most often killed by fire to be assigned to the closest fire extinguishers. Then make sure that their fire extinguishing priority is higher than their normal job. They will retreat from the fires to put them out

[lusty gulch]

1. pipes shouldn't instant dc when oc is disabled. they should wait on the connected radiators to remove any leftover heat from the part being oc before removing the pipe connection.
2. crew ai is incable rn.
3. fire are op bcs 2.
4. fire extingusher is a 10 prio why is it ignored then.

there is 0 / 10 logical cases where that shield just ignite. its sitting idle taking 0 dmg but somehow the OC disables killing the pipeconnection overheating and setting an area which should just work on fire.

unsafeable bcs the syytem doesnt work.

whoose ides was it even to have pipes just DC ? bcs its funny? to randomly kill ships?

and now it just works??????

[tepid charm]

bro is having a moment

[hollow gull]

pipes dont pump excess, only exchangers remove that

[tepid charm]

actually, come to think of that

theoretically its possible to make a sundiver work off of exchangers (and radiators obviously) entirely, right?

[lusty gulch]

as in waiting on the connected radiators to remove any leftover heat from the part being oc before removing the pipe connection.

[rigid temple]

May I ask why the drop rate for steel, coils and hypercoils was reduced in Career?

[tepid charm]

yeah im kinda curious too

[lusty gulch]

literally how is the game so Inconsitent now that im activly watching my factory / mining brick there is -0 overheating------------------
maybe there is a bug when a ship is running its heat system in the bg?

[tepid charm]

i guess an argument can be made for them generally being the most commonly used materials for the majority of parts, so you get them a lot?

[hollow gull]

pipes do not remove heat, they transfer heat. so if the component is hot, then it will not cool it. it stops them getting hot

[tepid charm]

still, it was kinda out of nowhere, so yeah id like an explanation too

[lusty gulch]

stop being a nitpicking troll.

[tepid charm]

just add more radiators or something idk

[lusty gulch]

how did this ever BURN.

[lusty gulch]

its barely using 1 per side when all 4 shields are on.

[hollow gull]

I'm just clarifying the mechanics, don't start with insults

[tranquil wedge]

To make future microtransactions more profitable

[hollow gull]

may I suggest adding a thermal battery to absorb any heat spikes that may occur?

without a thermal battery, the shields are the battery

[lusty gulch]

the system had no reason to ever ignite.

[tepid charm]

send me the ship file

ill see if i can figure this out for you lol

[lusty gulch]

the issue is im at the start of a career game with not enough crew. and its inconsistent.

[tepid charm]

request still stands

alright lets see this thing

what part of it was overheating?

shields, lasers?

[lusty gulch]

the right lower sideways shield at the tip

[tepid charm]

and this is under fire?

or just it being active

because ill say it right now, if its when its under fire i already know what the problem is lmfao

[lusty gulch]

it was mining an asteriod.

how

[tepid charm]

lemme give it a roid then

[lusty gulch]

no enemy in sight. just sudden ignition.

aka thats where the rage came from.

no reason. just fire.

now its mining like nothing every just RANDOMLY decided to burn....

it never supposed to face any enemy anyway and the shield were more decorations. until half the ship ignited.

[tepid charm]

im getting zero ignition

yeah nothings happening

so wait did you overclock the lasers at all

or were they left out of this

guess we're done cool

[reef basin]

maybe you can add a thermal battery

[tepid charm]

yeah fr

that was suggested like 3 times

[lusty gulch]

Nopey was never planned, just wanted some shield coverage

[tepid charm]

and you absolutely were never attacked

riiiight?

and you didnt go into the sun or anything that would apply heat

maybe you found a bug honestly lol

for the future though, add a thermal battery trust me

[lusty gulch]

Yup, i flew it to the asteroid field ordered to mine, took care of another ship and suddenly when I returned my ship burned

It's seams related to OC randomly disabling thru out the whole ship .... Aka again also with the engine rooms...

[marsh aurora]

The arrows for the Reinforced should point themselves instead of pointing outside cause the arc is being reduced not expanded

[frigid flax]

spiky

[stuck roost]

Oh my gosh

[tepid charm]

insert disco inferno here

[frail anvil]

All fixed :3

[tepid charm]

the overclocking is disabling itself?

never had that happen

[lusty zealot]

OC is disabled while construction/repair is ongoing

[tepid charm]

didnt know that, i still havent tried a career game with meltdown yet

[frigid flax]

fini

[next urchin]

They're supposed to, oops

[next urchin]

OC parts don't store any heat. If OC is off, there shouldn't be any heat being generated by the part

[granite sapphire]

i think oc pd should be reworked to produce more heat but only when actively firing or regenerating power, either is fine

but rn they are a bit punishing with their passive heat generation that discourages use as a side weapon to be used passively

[near flax]

they dont have any passive heat gen??? they only generate heat when generating power

[granite sapphire]

uh

i remember them constantly generating heat

ig ill check my ships

[tepid charm]

yeah they dont have passive heatgen

[granite sapphire]

the toggle oc on ss is crazy

[lusty zealot]

best of both worlds

[next urchin]

Trying to pick which one to keep was giving me migraines

[frigid flax]

i feel like small thruster oc should be reworked

sure the extra power gen is cool but unless you have like 7 of em they dont seem very useful

[devout fox]

To be honest, I like how they work a lot

I would love if the standard thruster overclock was similar

[lusty zealot]

please no they're so useful

[devout fox]

Perhaps an extra long ramp-up time, so they're more like budget huge thrusters

[devout fox]

Also who's running less than seven thrusters? 😭

[frigid flax]

how about instead they provide an impulse of instant thrust when they are activated

[devout fox]

That would be cool for the boost thruster overclock...

[tame comet]

cosmoteer dash is real...

[tame comet]

small actual bugs i encountered:

non-oc small lasers dont seem to play their sound if you zoom into the ship (career)

the most recent patch removed the fire effect from the TRL; TRL is just a line and not a fiery effect

i dont think i should need a report for these since they're probably easy to replicate. unless one of my few mods does something (unlikely)

[dark lily]

The small thruster OC is one of my very absolute favorites and already cemented itself as a valuable and unique tool that singlehandedly allows quite a few unique designs and approaches

[tepid charm]

ive been getting the small laser sfx bug too

probably the most ammo factories ive ever put on a ship i barely know how to use these things lol

by far the most ive ever used vanilla launchers and the first time ive used factories as direct suppliers instead of buffer storages

goofy ship lmao

[tame comet]

i think 1 oc factory can supply like 3-4 launchers

[tepid charm]

dunno how to get full uptime without a directly adjacent factory

[tame comet]

you dont need full uptime, but like 90% is enough to justify

[tame comet]

true full uptime is, unless those are modded to fire much faster, unnecessary

[tepid charm]

yeah im running unmodded rn

i just dont like seeing any downtime

[tame comet]

ok thats totally fair lol

[tepid charm]

if i have enough crew that can manage the factory and supply the buffer storages i might be able to single factory it? this was my previous factory setup lol

ill try single factory

[next urchin]

The most recent patch shouldn't have touched any of the TRL effects? Can you show what you mean?

Also, reports are more about them not getting lost, really

[tame comet]

okok ill probably make a tiny report then

[lusty zealot]

the notes do say 'The visual effects for ion beams, thermal resonance beams, and mining beams should now appear smoother.'

sounds to me like touching the TRL effects

[tepid charm]

the return of operators saying nuh uh

i think this is as good as im gonna get it, the uptime is awful

they arent reloading the launchers quick enough for the operators to stay seated

[tame comet]

for some reason its related to a mod, but if i had to guess its crew fps tweaks

which is strange

[tame comet]

tell the operators to only sit at launchers?

oh wtf it isnt

it isnt a mod issue

[tepid charm]

afaik they only leave is the launcher is ready to fire but isnt loaded, thats already fucked uptime

[tame comet]

normally this

whatever that effect is

isnt here

give me a second to figure out why

oh it just deosnt sometimes what

[tepid charm]

yeah i probably should make an operate only role which has everything else disabled, ill get around to it

[tame comet]

ok i have no idea why

[lusty zealot]

i believe the hit VFX are suppressed if you've got the ship getting hit selected

likely for visual clarity

as it can be quite obstructive

[tame comet]

ok... so thats kind of true?

its the oppostie way around

[lusty zealot]

huh

[tame comet]

if the ship firing the TRL is selected, its suppressed

[lusty zealot]

oh firing

yeah i must have just misremembered

[tame comet]

shouldnt it be the opposite way around?

[lusty zealot]

i don't actually know

@next urchin?

[tame comet]

also unrelated but the TRL does not like aiming correctly at high game speeds but i have a feeling thats known

[lusty zealot]

i don't think it is

[tame comet]

oh TRL really likes not aiming where you tell it to at high game spedes

probably easy to replicate

no mods needed

[next urchin]

I thought it was the opposite away around. I did make a change a few patches ago but I don't think it should've changed which ship the roof alpha was sourced from...

[next urchin]

Oh, guess Walt did the beam interpolation stuff. Still wouldn't expect that to mess with visibility or roof alpha

[lusty gulch]

Hmm, but I noticed too, that it was kinda pointing ☝️ at the enemy and just spawning fires xD

[lusty gulch]

Okay but how did it ignite then? There is excess radiators and it still ignited. Also OC kept turning off?

[next urchin]

I don't know. You've provided very little information. OC only auto-disables when building, and once disabled it shouldn't be producing heat

It's possible there's a bug, but I can't determine whether that's the case from just the images

[kind estuary]

both small shield OCs!!!! 😍
This is even more fun to design around because we can use the strengths of both! effectively have 5 different total shield options now yay!

[coarse spindle]

Where 6th being large shield going through parts and having a 270 angle but only doing dmg reduction

[next urchin]

Yep, looks like this was the case - related to the beam interpolation changes. I've fixed it for the next patch

[tame comet]

okok]

[tepid charm]

oh hey i had that too

was funny af to look at

[stuck roost]

How come we had textures ready for this?

Or I guess they are simple enough for kroom to work quickly 🤔

[granite sapphire]

does this mean we are open to multiple oc options for other modules or is it a sort of extenuating circumstances thing

[tepid charm]

drg overclocks

[granite sapphire]

theres alot of potential for multiple different overclocks, and as long as there is a strong reason to add multiple different ocs that significantly change how you utilize the module i think its a great idea to add more overclocks to certain modules

like the chaingun

dgr

[tepid charm]

wtf is dgr

[granite sapphire]

👽

[tepid charm]

no mate i meant deep rock galactic, weapons n shit in that game have a bunch of overclocks

i meant it like multiple overclocks for the weapons like you said

[granite sapphire]

hey i just reacted after bc they misspelled drg and i thought it was funny

ik what drg is i have like 500 hrs in it

[tepid charm]

rock and stone

⛏️

[granite sapphire]

rock n stone

[stuck roost]

I think if I say I have dyslexia you'll just sigh

[tepid charm]

i have over 2000

[granite sapphire]

i didnt look at who it was

[tepid charm]

MUSHROOM

[stuck roost]

That make sense, I've played it, though not enough to get overclocks

[tepid charm]

WE’RE RICH

[stuck roost]

I think I stopped right when you got boots to fly

[tepid charm]

those arent consistent spawns they’re random for caves

[granite sapphire]

good game, stopped playing bc of something or other

[tepid charm]

are you talking about hoverboots perk

[granite sapphire]

#off-topic

[tepid charm]

yeah i havent gotten on drg in a week or so

[stuck roost]

Don't expect me to remember ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid charm]

oh right

ill slaughter some bugs tomorrow prolly, anyways

multiple overclocks for individual parts would go hard

[tame comet]

homing railgun

[tepid charm]

oh god

[tame comet]

thats a joke

dont

[tepid charm]

railgun overclock which gives the launcher a slight aof at cost of damage

that sounds horrifying

[tame comet]

fuckin

has worse scaling with accelerators

so its jst

tiny stubby railgun central

[tepid charm]

im gonna be honest I was kinda hoping the engine room overclock would increase its range by a tile or something

that woulda been funny

[tame comet]

we need a chaingun overclock which has 8 million firerate and dumps the entire mag at once because this is a great idea

something i wouldnt mind seeing is a deck gun oc which has mega firerate but slightly worse damage and stuns crew until it recovers

[next urchin]

Kroom doesn't make the icons. Usually Walt does, but most (if not all) of the Meltdown icons are made by me.

[next urchin]

Circumstances.

[stuck roost]

Then congrats! I thought that was kroom!

[next urchin]

My drawing skills are poor at best, but I am actually decent at vector art / UI design. Most things do get icons pretty immediately. Most of the things lacking icons are older, like TRL safety or TRL aim direction

Eg. TB pulse had an icon from the outset

[granite sapphire]

thoughts on multiple cg ocs to add more use cases? it would be a pretty easy way to really diversify it without any messy fundamental reworks

[tame comet]

i imagine multiple oc's being a future thing

[tepid charm]

i hope so

[granite sapphire]

the current cg oc is good balance wise, but it doesnt really significantly change how you use cgs past maybe less magazines

[tepid charm]

having more variety would go hard

[tame comet]

i definitely think its a bit difficult to make chaingun different, at least with current chaingun

[next urchin]

1. No because each difference OC behaviour increases work/complexity non-linearly
2. No because if I have to touch CG again I'm afraid I might be possessed to delete it from the game as vengeance for the pain it has caused me

[granite sapphire]

lol, rip. did you manage to fix oc cgs firing their first burst early when force fired?

[next urchin]

Yes, fixed it about half an hour ago. That one was also a headache because the thing that broke it was a fix for OC CG retreating back into its shell and stopping firing inbetween bursts

[granite sapphire]

a fresh wound, i see

well, thats a shame. alright

[tepid charm]

;~;

but i guess with the framework in place maybe people will make their own overclocks in workshop

[tame comet]

true

[next urchin]

CG caused a wound that it keeps poking at and making worse 💀

The OC variants thing is mostly just a general 'not happening' rather than CG-specific, though, in all seriousness. Small Shields were a special case, and will be the only case as far as I'm concerned

[tepid charm]

gathered

still, workshop might have some ideas

[granite sapphire]

precedent be damned?

[next urchin]

This is not a court of law - precedent does not mandate consistency 😅

[grim gyro]

Celeste you might wanna do something about this btw

[remote charm]

the precedent is that chaingun becomes increasingly frustrating to work on

therefore we should continue to make cg into a clusterfuck

[next urchin]

I have not the slightest clue what you're pointing out in these gifs

[grim gyro]

Energy consumption

60 crew cannot power it

And its like a millimetre in

[tepid charm]

holy shit i just realized that yeah

[granite sapphire]

thats probably because it is a small shield, and overclocking it increases the surface area further which means the sun does even more damage to it

[grim gyro]

Yeah but even still

[next urchin]

The sun effects are Walt's changes. That does seem like an excessive amount of damage for the edge, but yeah - the factors yuuki mentioned don't help. It's also a small reactor

[granite sapphire]

i dont think this wouldve worked pre sun rework

[grim gyro]

I tested others

I couldn't get any to work

[last breach]

also read: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUy5ZxGXJ4

[grim gyro]

I tried pretasking as well

[granite sapphire]

its not like the suns damage uniformly increased the further youre in, and dealt no damage at the border; it always did a pretty decent amount of damage even at the very border

[next urchin]

I'll forward it to Walt - it does seem wrong for the lower bound of sun effect strength

[granite sapphire]

like ls?

[tepid charm]

wait, can a small shield even take more than 6 crew total using 1x batteries..?

[grim gyro]

No other reactor sizes

[granite sapphire]

yeah, it cant

[tepid charm]

they dont request outside of the existing buffer do they

[granite sapphire]

unless you pretask

[tepid charm]

yeah

[granite sapphire]

theres no reason to add 60 crew to that

[grim gyro]

Large shields are really easy to sustain even at the surface of a star

[tepid charm]

wait whats pretasking

[tame comet]

pretasking is basically like

[granite sapphire]

have you tried with focused ss?

[grim gyro]

Crew moving power to a low priority part through a part with a higher priority

[granite sapphire]

expanded ss are like. the worst thinng you can use for sundiving

[tame comet]

you send guys with batteries in to power a laser but the shield suddenly goes down, and since they have higher priorities and are already in the shield, the decide to power the shield instead, which essentially forces it back on instantly

[next urchin]

Small shields are really soft, to be fair. The sun damage is per metre, so as Yuuki said they'll take like double the damage

[grim gyro]

When the higher priority needs power they will power it instead

[granite sapphire]

i think literal armor with exchangers is better

[tepid charm]

holy shit

i never considered that

[granite sapphire]

i thought pretask was removed

[tame comet]

its really smart

[tepid charm]

holy fuck .-.

[grim gyro]

Yeah but not being able to sustain it at all seems weird

[granite sapphire]

it comes with some caveats

[tepid charm]

ive got some new roles to make then

[grim gyro]

wtf

[granite sapphire]

you cant use power supply lines at all and the shield has to obviously have a higher priority than the other stuff

[next urchin]

Does it sustain non-OC?

[tame comet]

dont think so. walt was considering it because it sounded like an exploit but anti explained it to him that its not really an exploit and its just good ship design and he said hed keep it in i think

[granite sapphire]

cool

[grim gyro]

Nah you can touch a star with a oc ls and oc sr and like 8 crew

[tame comet]

#1284667841907396608 message

[grim gyro]

Probably

[tame comet]

this is from a while ago

[granite sapphire]

well obviously... armor+exchangers is still better than expanded ss tho

[tame comet]

im not sure if its still in the game or not, but from waht i can tell its still here as there hasnt been any big uproar that ive seen

[granite sapphire]

to be fair, pretask is cool until you realize it is literally only ever used on like 1 pvp archetype that isnt even meta compared to its counterparts

[grim gyro]

I'll have to do more testing with exchangers to make a fair judgement but from what I tried a while ago it wasn't very effective

[tame comet]

pretask is neat but it seems kinda luck and timing dependent

[granite sapphire]

less luck more just that it doesnt work on 99% of things because supply lines are banned

[grim gyro]

Avoiders and rammers?

[granite sapphire]

try spaced rows of armor, going for a solid block makes heat propagate, but spaced armor doesnt allow heat to propagate at all until the row is actually destroyed from the heat

[lusty zealot]

just a certain subarchetype of avoiders, really

ion rammers occasionally made some minor use of pretasking with their barrel disruptors

but not enough for it to be like, a notable part of the ship design

[granite sapphire]

rammers use like a single eb to pretask an inner large shield which is unbelievably niche and not particularly impactful and only a single archetype of avoiders (using large shields) which is largely just worse than the small shield avoiders) use pretask

[grim gyro]

My testing was before the heat dissipation rework so it may be better now

[granite sapphire]

i would go for a setup of a row of armor, structure behind, then space, and then exchangers+pipes+repeat

[grim gyro]

Still a cool part of the game which can be used to make interesting designs

[granite sapphire]

each layer lasts QUITE long and more importantly takes zero crew and is insanely cheap

[grim gyro]

I don't really see the need of patching it out

[granite sapphire]

so u can use it to sundive super early

[granite sapphire]

it shouldnt, its rly fun

[grim gyro]

The fortify ss oc should still be good for that I think

Unless the heat is insane now

[granite sapphire]

i have a sundiver starter

that works

[tame comet]

its the same as LS, 0.6

[granite sapphire]

(kinda)

[grim gyro]

How far can it go?

[tame comet]

also the fortified oc ss got nerfed which was odd

[granite sapphire]

like 40% until it just dies instantly

the time it has in sun is limited bc it relies on a couple storages plus a radiator

but it can be in there for a while

[kind estuary]

So I had an idea for a OC chaingun.... What if ||instead of local heat it instead overheated Celeste's workload by adding a different firing mode depending on how many magazines were connected to it, effectively increasing the number of potential guns the chaingun could be to scale as big as the build grid~||

in all seriousness though, it is VERY unlikely we will see other multi overclock parts where both OC ideas are so different but also worth using to the point of needing 2 options. its possible, but this was more a happy accident.

[granite sapphire]

🔥

[kind estuary]

❤️

[tame comet]

was it necessary? i know its to remain consistent with OCLS which got nerfed from 300% to 200% but it feels kinda odd-ish?

[grim gyro]

Celeste should add overclocks which add boarding and hinges

[tame comet]

the oc chaingun should fire crew loaded into a breaching charge

[grim gyro]

Crew with a pointed helmet

[tame comet]

theres the boarding

[kind estuary]

so we are getting hinged catapults that can throw overheated/on fire crewmembers on board other ships~

unlikely to successfully take over a ship. but each of those flame crew really just want a hug~

[granite sapphire]

probably a good idea to start there though

[tame comet]

oh probably

[granite sapphire]

design wise, the shields were always meant to have the same power efficiency

[tame comet]

can always be changed

[granite sapphire]

even at the base line they are equivalent in hp per power

which is the precedent

[tame comet]

clearly it must be HP per total batteries, bring them up to 90,000

[kind estuary]

there have been a lot of itterations. i think this is in line with the stats i last saw for the narrow fortified version. pretty sure it was lowered from 45000 before the wider arc was added...

the specific numbers may still need work

[tame comet]

45000???

oh

right

nvm im a bit stupid i thought it was 3000 now not 30,000

[gloomy raft]

does anyone know if there is intent to make both shields function the way the small shield now does with overclock?

[tame comet]

#1370799036591898837 message

the short answer is no

people jsut really liked both

on the small shield

so they added both

which im so happy for

i like these devs, they actually listen

[gloomy raft]

i agree

v.good devs

a cookie for each of them

[tame comet]

perhaps... two...

maybe 3 if we feel like hurting our bank accounts

[gloomy raft]

woah... lets not get ahead of ourselves

they dont get that third cookie til we get boarding or fighter/bomber drones

[devout fox]

Just say it's a French court

They look at the total situation per-case, including many other rulings, rather than the precedent set in one

There's a lot more freedom for the judges to make decisions

[tame comet]

did this update speed up manipulator beams WTF is that fuckin speed???

wait did they get "reverted" when the half speed revert happened

so now they're just twice as fast

it looks twice as fast. though that doesnt account for their snappiness

[bitter steppe]

Balance Council members get no cookies? 😭

[vocal trout]

no you already have homemade pizza

[gloomy raft]

correct. Your work is your only reward.

Otherwise it would compromise your integrity

[bitter steppe]

source?

[gloomy raft]

give them nothing.

[vocal trout]

its literally in-house we gave nothing

[gloomy raft]

good

[vocal trout]

literally bc

[kind estuary]

Several of us have already pulled a trigger on favorite niche things because the result was more longterm fun for all.

Comfort cookie? 🥺

[gloomy raft]

elaborate and ill see.

unless its confidential

[kind estuary]

specific details are confidential yeah...

When you find something powerful that you optimized, you get to enjoy it. we get to enjoy it then, determine if its too strong, repeatedly hammer outliers until they stop being the obvious only option to use. Often making our own designs useless in the process. Its definitely a different feeling actually being directly involved in these changes, and we know well how many people these would effect.
the public preview has only seen gentle versions of changes that nullify design work, but even it is still a preview where the designs are not 100% going to last to release.

We cant always find amazing answers like both optional small shield OCs.... there was a lot of discussion about which small shield OC to use before that conclusion, and we were definitely not in agreement on which would be better.

[gloomy raft]

Hmmm. Ok you can have half a cookie each this time.

Can't have the sugar making you irritable and hyper during your deliberations

[kind estuary]

yay~

[remote wadi]

What's the current drop rate of steel, coils, and hyper coils? Was it 50% and now 40%?

Apologies, didn't mean to send that with a ping.

Related topic for discussion that I'm curious about:

Is there anyone on the balance committee that primarily plays career?

I'm not certain what the hypothetical solution should be but it's pretty easy to gather practically infinite resources in a system.

In career, my buddies and I usually go through this loop:

1. Go to system and jump all ships to the first station.
2. Cruise around and take out every single hostile, collecting all bounties.
3. Mine about half of the asteroid belt, completely clean up asteroid fields, and most comically of all, completely devour all steel plates from each shipyard and turn those plates into storage units, making comically large cargo ships to hold our mountains worth of resources (even post stack buff).
4. Print new ships and move on to the next system.

After we clean up the system, we don't need to worry about combat so we just slap cargo onto random ships as needed until we (I) build a dedicated cargo cruiser since our mother ship wouldn't be able to hold all the resources we collect.

I feel like the combat difficulty on systems either needs more variance (making people unable to completely clear out a system until beating another system or two of higher difficulty for fame to then come back and finish cleaning up) or there needs to be occasional threats that respawn/jump from neighboring systems that require your mining/hauling/mother ships be capable of some amount of combat/defense/escape or have an escort to protect them.

I think neighboring systems that have hostiles/pirates should occasionally have ships jump into your system at least. And perhaps the pirates could have more cargo-central ships to be juicy targets for you to find and hunt down. Pirates would likely be up to some smuggling or black market trading anyway. If they see you in radar range, they'd likely try to run instead of fight.

I wonder if faction ships already create this element of gameplay if you've made any of them hostile to you but my friends and I have yet to actually go to war with any of them as we never really saw the point. We just try to max out reputation with each of them for discounts and allies wherever we go.

[tame comet]

anti somewhat plays career. laser plays career primarily.

idr who else

i do also think its a fair change

though your complaints are fair. career is boring when played slowly

[eternal ibex]

“somewhat plays career” grossly understates my distribution of playtime

[jaunty gyro]

Yeah I and some of my friends do have worries about updates being too focused on pvp balance, so that is good to know.

[tame comet]

i havent seen much, sorry

[vocal trout]

60% is somewhat dwdw

[wind vale]

my bets are on 75 to 80%

[near flax]

are we going to get OC hyperdrives this update or is that planned for the future?

[jaunty gyro]

not sure what you'd overclock about them

[near flax]

what I've heard is that they are going to be blink drives

[jaunty gyro]

Heard from where?

[wind vale]

walt has said they're planned to be blink drives multiple times iirc

[remote wadi]

My gameplay is 80% career and 20% sandbox combat for testing. I've seen a bunch of videos from that one YouTuber that used to cover tournaments so I've seen a lot of PvP but haven't participated.

[jaunty gyro]

Huh

[remote wadi]

That is intriguing but I feel a bit of apprehension for everything becoming overclocks. I don't have a problem with hyperdrives being OC'd for blink (and could do it once without cooling in an emergency), but it's seeming more and more like every ship that's more than 100k credits will need to have full ship cooling to keep up in the meta.

[wind vale]

i feel like this issue will be solved by balancing

[remote wadi]

Even my career ships are quickly becoming full OC conversions as it's often just... better. And in career, the cost of ships is irrelevant. Crew is the only limiting factor.

[wind vale]

i think tbs are a good example of how things probably will be, you get 2 different usecases for the same part and both are unique and viable

[frigid flax]

What the current state of chaingun oc rn

Kinda forgot what version it was in

[remote wadi]

Yeah, but the issue there is you have two options:

1. OCs are better to make them worth it. Meta becomes most things are OCd.

2. OCs are sidegrades/alternatives. And in that case, OC feels like a punishment because the weapons could just be a different variant.

I guess the conclusion would be: OCs need to be an upgrade over the original weapon or a more-functional side-grade, but not enough to to make it worth it to OC everything on the ship.

[remote wadi]

I think they just made the OC for it have lower DPS and better ammo economy, but allow the ramp-up DPS to exceed base chaingun DPS after extended firing.

So non-OC chaingun will be better for alpha strike and OC chaingun will put out a lot more damage in total before needing to reload.

(Don't quote me, I might have potato memory.)

[frigid flax]

So effectively more firing duration

[remote wadi]

I believe so.

[frigid flax]

Nice

[remote wadi]

I think that is a very good way to do the overclock for the chaingun. Makes me satisfied with having both the OC and non-OC as valid options.

[wind vale]

ehh i think 2 is fine anyway, ocs are meant to be just variants

i think it is already the case that you don't need to overclock everything

[remote wadi]

Yes, but if it's not more effective in combat and could just be another weapon variant, having one variant require active cooling and the other not require it makes it feel bad to use the variant.

There should be some reward for needing to set up a cooling system, radiators, thermal batteries, etc.

[jaunty gyro]

The other alternative is greatly lower the cost of a cooling system but make overclocking focused on variants that are not always full upgrades.

[remote wadi]

I think the thing that makes me feel bad about overclocks is this:

I envisioned overclocks to be more of a temporary buff like a boost ability. Star Trek style "FULL POWER TO SHIELDS" moments.

Currently, I don't think of overclocks this way (except for overclocking reverse thrust to get out of a facehugger ship). I just think of overclocks as a weapon variant that I either build the ship for or not use at all.

There's two changes I can think of that would make overclocks more exciting in my opinion:

1. Give individual parts a toggle to de-activate OC when it overheats. Or, put a toggle on the ship controls to enable/disable safety override ship-wide and give individual parts the ability to always force the override to be enabled.

2. Let players setup hotkeys more easily with an overclock hotkey (which I remember seeing in the control settings but it seems to have vanished) and/or let players setup hotkeys for specific actions. Instead of just hitting a number to select all of a part type and then hitting a key for the functions on those parts, let players set up hotkeys to do a sequence of specific actions. Possibly using the numberpad or something.

Example for change 2: Set up Numpad 0 to enable overclock on front shields and reverse thrusters, Numpad 1 to disable overclock on front shields, and Numpad 2 to disable overclock on reverse thrusters.

[wind vale]

i mean that's kinda the point, you need to do something that the base version doesn't do so you overclock, like for example railguns are completely different when oc'd ornot, one of them is a much more precise tool while the other is a bruteforce artillery sort of thing but anyways i don't think i can change your mind so i'll stop arguing

[remote wadi]

I didn't think we were arguing. I was just sharing my thoughts on the matter.

[wind vale]

i guess it was more of a discussion but idk it felt a bit like that

[remote wadi]

We have different experiences and different opinions. If we always agreed with each other, we'd never have anything interesting to say. lol

[wind vale]

fair enough

[frigid flax]

how does passive heat disspation work

is there a message that i can refer to

[remote wadi]

It's being changed a bunch. But here's what I know:

Heat passively dissipates between tiles of the ship (each individual tile, even if a part takes up multiple tiles).

Heat will slowly dissipate into the void from every tile.

Heat will go from normal tiles to structure tiles much more quickly, and will go from structure to normal tiles much more slowly.

Heat will pass into empty tiles (space) slower than it will between normal parts, but will dissipate into empty tiles from structure much faster (simulating structure being a passive heat radiator).

[frigid flax]

thx

[remote wadi]

In fewer words, heat spreads and will very slowly go away. Structure will suck up heat and dissipate it into space faster than non-structure.

There is no thermal mass simulation so every tile effectively has the same thermal mass (heats up the same given the same amount of energy).

[frigid flax]

fanged fighter 2

[remote wadi]

I do think having structure as passive radiators is a significant improvement to the OC system as it's a fitting alternative for cooling and makes ship building more interesting.

I haven't tested it yet but I believe having larger structure "radiators" would function as larger heat sinks and improve cooling, so the bigger the better.

Seems pretty thematic and makes building more interesting (and somewhat realistic).

[frigid flax]

ye i like it

this ship costs 51k 🥶

[remote wadi]

Any of you that have played COaDE will know what I'm talking about lol. Massive radiators near the rear of the ship, and some smaller ones up front if need be.

[remote wadi]

That's not even the part that interests me the most. It's the minimal crew requirements. That ship might be just as effective with four crew instead of six.

In career, I could have thirty of those things for the (crew) price of one of my main ships.

You can do even better if you use only 2 crew and use an array of OC'd PD as weapons.

[frigid flax]

ooo oc pd pleb ship

[remote wadi]

I built one pre-PD-OC-nerf (unless it wasn't nerfed and was just tweaked to generate fractional power at a time).

I think it had 40 PDs, full thermal system, a ton of small thrusters, and even a couple large OC'd thrusters that the engineer could keep up with. Again, only 2 crew.

[dark lily]

Bit late to the conversation but for what it's worth as an architect I pay a lot of attention to career and the majority of the changes I push for and suggest are oriented towards it much more than PvP

[coarse spindle]

The difficult thing is that there is a ton of different ways to play career

Sure in pvp you have different modes and different archetypes but there aren't that many combinations, especially if you want to win

[near flax]

it's a voluntary system that you get rewarded for engaging with so it makes sense

[marsh aurora]

Is there an way to see how much heat your parts transfer and dissipate so that you can easierly set structure for dissipation?

Did small thrusters always had power generation?

[dark lily]

It's a relatively recent addition in Cosmoteer's lifetime, but it's been around a few months

[remote wadi]

Yes, but my point is that everything will become OCs. Even early game in career, we focused on OCs.

The NPCs don't use OCs (except for the new faction) so it feels a bit exploitative.

That's the same reason I don't use mods in career. It gives me an advantage over the NPCs.

[gloomy raft]

how many oc weapons are just flat out better than none oc ones?

diversity sure but just hard superior?

[remote wadi]

They're still being tweaked/balanced, but I think most of them are. Most of the OCs sacrifice a bit of direct damage and add/buff AOE damage. Which means as long as you shooting more than one projectile in a fight, you're putting out a lot more damage total.

[lusty gulch]

i had OC on on thrusters but the ship was sitting IDLE. so no heat gen right? i turned it off * waited and started flying boom self ignition:::::::::::::

[remote wadi]

Even the mining lasers become deadly when you have 4 of them OC'd. Melts through ships once you get their shields down.

I got cocky enough with my mining mothership to just take it into combat. It only has mining lasers as weapons but still goes toe to toe with hostiles.

[gloomy raft]

yeh i dont think mining lasers should be a viable weapon in any circumstance ngl, more of a meme last resort

[lusty gulch]

I select all parts OC ON AND THEN OC OFF; i start flying, my thrusters ingnite hOW: ahh bcs somehow some toggles just decided to stay ON

[remote wadi]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with mining lasers being viable weapons. Might as well give them some place in PvP. Plus, they realistically would be good at cutting through armor given that their job is to absolutely shred through asteroids.

[gloomy raft]

but as ive said before they are sort of just propping up the slot that should be for a low cost deck energy weapon imo

[gloomy raft]

i dont really agree with this ngl. but i understand that its more convinient to have it be a viable weapon then to make a new one

[remote wadi]

The OC'd ones at least fit that decently. They still have really low azimuth rate so they're best against more stationary targets

[near flax]

not only does stuff still need to get balanced, overclocks are going to have a blueprint cost and it makes sense to reward players for interacting with a complex system

[remote wadi]

I feel like it's thematic enough. What's the downside for the PvP meta? Deck mounted energy weapon. I still don't think they'll out-DPS a wall of blasters or whatever so it shouldn't be too impactful on the meta.

And they're pretty power hungry (and by extension, crew heavy).

[frigid flax]

bouta make the most annoying ship

[mild gazelle]

Ocml are strong but not op rn

Imo

[near flax]

i haven't touched them out of principle tbh

[mild gazelle]

It was one of my only ships that could beat Derfael's flak wall XD

[near flax]

shops

[mild gazelle]

You should stop being so principled then

[near flax]

I'll consider it

I like it when things blow up and mining lasers don't do that

[tranquil wedge]

you should expand your horizon. Spontaneously disassembling parts can be even funnier

[frigid flax]

here it is

[wind vale]

i agree with plaus and cgt but i am also world's biggest hypocrite as like i'm probably the only one who has fewer ships of archetypes that aren't railfans than like idk gbs of ram this computer has (6)

[frigid flax]

the extra shield that displays in blueprint mode is really cluttering, is there any plans to make it only display if it is needed?

cause like what is going on here

[gloomy raft]

when i said i dont agree what i meant was saying a mining laser would be good against armour cos its good against rocks doesnt make sense lol. that was all. i understand why, if they are there they might as well be viable for pvp

but more than that id rather have a dedicated low cost deck energy weapon for weapon reasons than one that im working way to hard to turn into one. personally having tried to make it work i dont find mining lasers fun as weapons relative to everything u have to do to make them work.

[remote wadi]

I was more referring to the dev team rebalancing the mining laser to be more viable in PvP instead of us as players just trying to force it into the meta

[gloomy raft]

ah ok

[static rune]

That's why you keep the stations alive.

[remote wadi]

I think it would still be reasonable for the mining laser to be an effective weapon given that it effectively chews through rock at breakneck speeds.

[gloomy raft]

rock is worse than armour at being resistent to weapons fire.

thats why we turn rocks into armour lol

[frigid flax]

thing

[gloomy raft]

v.nice

[cerulean prairie]

Was 20%, now 16%.

[static rune]

So I decided to mock up what it would look like if the Large shield had an extended overclock like the small shield did. The physical corners of the large shield would limit it to 190-ish degrees, barring Walt adding the shield emitter physically extending away from the hull.

(how the mock-up was created)

This is what the arc would look like if the large shield emitter extended out a tile, or the corners of the machinery were chopped off to permit a 270 degree arc (if unobstructed)

(in this case, the red shield would be generating that side arc)

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone New Meltdown patch! Thanks for testing!

Balance:

• Chaingun (Overclocked): increased initial rate of fire (1.43→2.86)

Other:

• Fixed arrow directions in Reinforced Shield mode icon
• Shield blueprints now only show the arc relevant to the selected OC state / mode
• Fixed ArcShield ChainedTo exception when exiting a game
• Fixed ArcShield effects not updating with ChainedTo transform
• Fixed ContinuousEffects not updating with ChainedTo transform
• Fixed Chaingun firing before aiming at its target
• Re-added description-only tooltip default, hiding stats unless ALT is held
• Fixed Thermal Resonance Lance hit effect visibility depending on the roof opacity of the source ship rather than the hit ship
• Fixed part icons being fuzzy on low U.I. scaling settings.
• The Hyperdrive Efficiency icon now matches the Hyper-Jump button's icon.
• Fixed the "center of mass" indicator appearing janky on moving ships.

[narrow blade]

ok

[livid thunder]

YET ANOTHER OCCG UPDATE

[vocal mesa]

ahhhh

[pale python]

oo

[ashen basin]

meltdown patch:

[near flax]

nice

[frail anvil]

@marsh aurora I think it happened!

[torpid yoke]

i always thought chaingun firing before being fully aimed was intentional

for spin-up time

[frail anvil]

You can now make a rotatable shield

[gloomy raft]

yeh

it might mean now that the gun takes longer to spin up when force fired at a set location

[ashen basin]

ig this makes it a slight nerf?

[lusty zealot]

nah

it won't waste ammo now

[vague dew]

YES THE SHIELDS ARENT GOING TO BE PAIN

[marsh aurora]

Fixed ArcShield ChainedTo exception when exiting a game
Fixed ArcShield effects not updating with ChainedTo transform

Time to test Rotation Shields!!!

[frail anvil]

Yep

[gloomy raft]

thats true.

[tepid charm]

oh ok

[frail anvil]

Chained it to a turret, didn't quite work idk

For me it still doesnt work but maybe I just made mistakes

[dry willow]

Uhhh, how?

Starsector gaming??

[frail anvil]

You can chain the shield to something to make it rotate

[dry willow]

:O

[frail anvil]

Already works, just doesnt update

#1376176515892514847 message

[dry willow]

oh so its a visual bug or

[tranquil wedge]

Charge time is probably more important especially considering the big ammo efficiency

[dry willow]

holy fuck

[cerulean prairie]

I just realized I made a build but forgot to merge all the changes/fixes into it, so other than the version number it was identical to the previous build. Patching now.

[dry willow]

Actual champion of mankind right here.

I'll blow up a large crew barracks in your honor, walt

progress requires.. sacrifice.

[marsh aurora]

Oh god, I was thinking that the fix wasn't... fixing lol 🤣

[frail anvil]

Yeah was weirded out too lol

[lusty gulch]

how many radiators does 1 OC TB need? is 4 not enough?

[dry willow]

Okay, so being clear, is this a feature of a mod or do we straight up have a rotating shield mechanic with overclocking?

[lusty zealot]

i was wondering

[frail anvil]

Mod

[wind vale]

modding feature

[frail anvil]

Modding capabilites

[dry willow]

crap

[lusty zealot]

it also had its initial fire rate increased so that should more than balance that out

[dry willow]

I was super excited a moment D:

[marsh aurora]

NO no

It is a mod I'm trying to make since last year

[cerulean prairie]

@everyone The build above was bugged and didn't actually have any of the changes in it, lol sorry. Should be fixed now!

[frail anvil]

You can play preview with mods no?

[wintry kite]

Oh

[woven aurora]

Walt moment

[wintry kite]

That's a rather quick fix

[brisk lichen]

some

[vocal mesa]

aaaaaaa

[lusty zealot]

peak development

[dry willow]

I can, but I like to try to at least be in the same boat with the career enemies- aka shield would be unfair cause AI doesnt have it

[ashen basin]

I forgive you walt (I havent tried the new build yet)

[alpine needle]

it wouldent be cosmoteer without bus tripping walt up every step

[frigid gull]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mr-waternoose-how-could-this-happen-how-did-this-happen-how-could-this-have-happened-gif-22975409

[marsh aurora]

Its working!!!!

[hollow gull]

are there any plans to add builtins with mining lasers? feels odd that they are so underutilised in career

[ashen basin]

🫷

🦶 🫳

 ![Bus](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/717146942341382175.webp?size=128 "Bus")  🦶

[frail anvil]

Wait wouldn't this also allow for custom shield direction? :3

[narrow owl]

crazy way to postpone an update

[frail anvil]

Yippe

[marsh aurora]

Yep

[frail anvil]

Noice >w<

[tepid charm]

oh cool attaching a shield to a turret

thats actually p neat

[frail anvil]

It has a ton of uses

Bubble shield towards the closest enemy

[narrow blade]

dawg what they did to my chainguns 😭

[tepid charm]

i love it

goofy af

[opal moon]

oh dear

[narrow blade]

how the fuck does this even happen man

[frail anvil]

Its easier than you think
source: I make games

[narrow blade]

literally on every single ship in my save the chainguns point right

[frail anvil]

Lmao X3

[wind vale]

the top one is just evil

whoever is walking up to it to man or reload it is getting splattered on the wall

[narrow blade]

if i make a new save the chainguns point right aswell

[narrow blade]

yeah

how the shipyard employees fail this hard bro