Clouds & Storms Preview

[shadow bone]

tbh i find it hard to replace grasmann's medium hyperdrives with generic ones

[neon moth]

unsure if this was seen

[nova kayak]

explain it

yeah i also saw chainguns not fully retracted in preview

im not sure if this is a preview bug

[dire owl]

Yup that's the bug. Should be fixed in the RC and whenever the next nebula preview is.

[jovial isle]

Do we talk about RC1 here?

[turbid vessel]

Good to know. As a matter of fact, I'd agree with Cerystia' suggestion here that this would make a neat idea for a component. Perhaps a mining scanner or something like that?

[dire owl]

#1253857063289884692

[jovial isle]

Thank you!

[quartz girder]

Everybody knows that the best update was the one where they halved mine factory price and doubled the mine storage capacity.

[jovial isle]

Everybody knows that the best update was the one where they added barracks.

[quartz girder]

No.

[stone grail]

the best update was when the shadow realm got added

[dense yew]

wdym? it always was here

[stone grail]

You weren't born yet

[dense yew]

Any of us weren't

It was here before existence

[stone grail]

I was here before entropy, I saw the one great split

[dense yew]

Or you thought you did, maybe you were in the shadow realm for a while and didn't know?

[mint crown]

I'm pretty sure the best update was when StarWright left prototype stage and eventually became Cosmoteer

[foggy berry]

i still gotta use mines...

[last oyster]

mines are somewhat dificult to use, but when you do use them corectly. they can do a lot of damage

[quartz girder]

Do it they're SUUUUPER fun

[foggy berry]

noted >:)

im still only gonna make drone ships when drones come out though

[quartz girder]

Something about relentless swarms just rubs you the right way, eh?

[foggy berry]

ofc it does

[lost hull]

lightning doesnt originate from inside the cloud

[tame wasp]

I also commented about this in the past. would be nice

Rammed an enemy into the cloud while not being in it myself but I was struck by the lighning meant for them

[lost hull]

rod damage shows up on invis enemies

[wicked pond]

i love it

[modern quail]

and also fire it seems

[mint needle]

re-moving this thread to the top via this message!

[livid sundial]

false

[glacial mauve]

[DENIED]

[jovial isle]

this is the second most talked in post in #1019743360958877807

[livid sundial]

yeah

[jovial isle]

being beat by only MRTs

[livid sundial]

false

[civic fable]

the square area of the section you are copy pasting goes past the mirror line

[glacial mauve]

Oh. Ok, thanks

So it’s normal?

[civic fable]

i see how it's annoying but if it did mirror over i can see instances where it'd also be annoying

[jovial isle]

then what

[livid sundial]

idk

[neon moth]

ive noticed drag in the yellow storm, is that intended?

fire doesnt disapear

[livid sundial]

yes

[jovial isle]

hell yeah

[dire owl]

Yes, though I might try actually reducing drag in electron clouds for the next preview.

[tame wasp]

I liked it better without drag tbh

[livid sundial]

i think it has to have atleast some drag, why would one cloud of gas slow you and the other have no impact whatsoever

[dire owl]

I'm also considering removing drag from gas clouds. Basically:

• Gas clouds have no affect on speed.
• Electron clouds actually speed you up.

[livid sundial]

oh my

would'nt gas clouds basically become the pefect hidden medium for any sort of ship activity

there's little downside to turning and using it as a "oh you didnt see me and i spawned 30 nukes in your face from the edge of the cloud"

[jovial isle]

imo gas clouds should slow down and electron speed up

[livid sundial]

unless elusive fourth cloud type to fill the niche of "slows ship"

[dire owl]

It's an experiment, we'll see how it works. They do also of course reduce sight range.

[turbid vessel]

How would that work? Wouldn't that just cause infinite acceleration inside electron clouds as soon as you started moving?

[jovial isle]

removing the extra drah

drag*

that's what walt meant i think

[dire owl]

correct

uh well what i mean is that electron clouds will have less drag than empty space

so faster acceleration and top speed, but not infinite

[tame wasp]

I like that idea

[hazy harbor]

I really like the idea of electron cloud speeding up the ship. makes that field even more interesting.
Gas cloud I question if multiple Sensor arrays would impact your vision range inside it. Nowhere close to normal range, but a scaling sensor advantage could have interesting pvp dynamic results

Should projectile speeds also be increased in electron cloud if they have less drag?

[turbid vessel]

Ah, that makes sense. I misunderstood and thought you mean negative drag... so as soon as you started moving, you'd accelerate uncontrollably! But simply reducing to near-zero (positive) drag makes far more sense. Though a negative drag gas cloud might make for an interesting mod...

[civic fable]

wind when

[neon moth]

unsure if intentional but the gas clouds kill rotation more than they kill speed

[merry crag]

electrons aren't a gas though, they wouldn't slow you down

[merry crag]

yeah rotational momentum is just gone

well, not quite that extreme

but it's certainly a big difference

[verbal sundial]

Personally I think it makes more sense for more dense space to have more drag (though I'm ok if some are of the reverse. More that it's weird for me if none increase drag if some decrease it).

It's just weird to me.

(and weird physically)

[verbal sundial]

I kinda like this suggestion

[nova kayak]

I like the slow down of the grey ones, but speed up on the yellow would be awesome

[slow juniper]

Oddly specific modding issue: I've been having trouble getting a nebula's lightning strikes to execute a ResourceDrain hit effect when it strikes a shield (even though I have TreatShieldAsPart = true).
I think it's because when a lightning strike hits a shield, it doesn't set the hit part from the shield, so the resource drain effect doesn't have a target part to run on.

[dire owl]

will investigate, thanks

[grizzled rune]

Icons seem to have vanished for the areas of interest

[frozen gale]

I noticed this too

[bold scroll]

I thought it was intentional, been trying to get my mission icons to show back up and just notice that pirate strong holds still show, so I’ll have to see what the difference is. I think it’s actually a good thing not to have a description though, gives the user more of a surprise element when taking on career missions.

One thing that def seems like a bug is that the target icons briefly show when hyperjumping within a sector.

[tame wasp]

I really think blue clouds should not obscure asteroids. Losing a pvp match because you flew into an invisible rock isnt really gameplay.

[nocturne scarab]

Skill issue.

[summer palm]

💀

i mean, asteroids don't shoot anything so it's fair for asteroids to be obscure

[vital oxide]

Hard disagree, in pvp it's a skill issue and in career it's an immersive feature

If too much rock then use omnithrust ;p

[summer palm]

True

[tame wasp]

How is it a skill issue? Asteroid generation is random?

[summer palm]

it's called map awareness :)

[vital oxide]

If your ship doesn't like rocks don't fly into a place where you could run into them??

[tame wasp]

What if the nebula is in the center?

[summer palm]

i know it's for strategical reasons, but i think it's better to not risk it.

[summer palm]

that is a very rare situation, and if a nebula is in the middle, then both players will be affected, so don't worry about YOU being affected, the other player suffers the same fate 😭

[tame wasp]

It happening to both players doesnt make it better.

[summer palm]

but doesn't make it more unfair for one either

[tame wasp]

And "just dont interact with the game feature" does not sound like the best solution to me

[tame wasp]

I never said its unfair

[summer palm]

but taking the feature out isn't the best either

[summer palm]

i know, but i'm trying to communicate that it isn't really a problem if both players are sufferign the same fate.

[tame wasp]

Youre not adressing my point

[summer palm]

we can't just make asteroids visible.

It's all about thinking.

it makes you strategize more.

where can there be rocks, should i go in there? there could be a rock so probably not.

but there can also not be a rock

ah screw it fights in open space and dies

[vital oxide]

Too bad? xd

[summer palm]

💀

[vital oxide]

Find a way to not get stuck

[summer palm]

lol

blep is being too real

[vital oxide]

(Omnithrust ;p)

[tame wasp]

It makes you strategize less cause you dont have as much information avaliable

[summer palm]

how

[vital oxide]

If you can see the rock the nebula is strategically less relevant

At best it balances out

[summer palm]

exactly

[vital oxide]

Imo it really doesn't though

[summer palm]

in fact, rocks should stay invisible because i really like the strategy of luring someone into a rock that's inside a gas cloud

it's very fun to watch

[vital oxide]

Being a lil silly but in all honesty i don't like the idea of nebulas not hiding rocks
Monothrust has been op in pvp for far too long and i am more than okay with an indirect nerf like this

Same reason I liked the lateral thrust removal

[summer palm]

EXACTLY

[vital oxide]

Even if avoiders losts some m/s because of no lateral thrust, walls lost all ability to get off rocks

[summer palm]

fighting modern ion rammers is way too hard even as a decent pilot

i'm sorry for dissappointing you Anti, but it's just too hard 😭

[tame wasp]

Then why not support a non random feature instead?

[summer palm]

ah yes, lets just overpower a really cool concept with ** w a l l**

[vital oxide]

I mean this would not have been my first choice but it already exists in the game as a feature and i'm lazy

[vital oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[summer palm]

i'm sorryyyy 😭

[tame wasp]

The mark of great gane design

[summer palm]

i mean, if an avoider loses because a wall is way faster, is it a skill issue or is it unfair?

[vital oxide]

I really should not have put my foot down this hard given i don't play pvp as much anymore

[vital oxide]

the game will always have counters, walls lose some matchups that avoiders win

i don't see that matchup in itself as an issue

[summer palm]

so is it a skill issue?

[vital oxide]

honestly, i'd be terrified for game balance if avoiders could consistently win

[summer palm]

._.

same

i promise i'll get better at piloting Anti

[vital oxide]

(i am terrified for game balance)

unless shevv or plaus lol

[summer palm]

anyways, we are getting a lil offtopic

i think rocks should stay invisible in nebulas

why is that?

They aren't shooting so technically they should stay invisible :pain:

[vital oxide]

Imo it would just be weird if rocks were visible, doesn't make any logical sense for them to be

[summer palm]

Exactly

Running into a rock because you didn’t knew it was inside a nebula is basically your fault

Why run into a free fall in which you don’t know what will happen anyways

[vital oxide]

I'll also note that if you even clip the edge of an asteroid in a gas cloud you can hover your mouse over it and see its full bounding box

if it's still too much of a problem, sensor? they haven't been used in pvp at all

[summer palm]

Exactly

Omg anti

What if we add sensors to avoiders

[vital oxide]

yes they're 20k but we can give feedback about that if we think it's necessary

[summer palm]

👁️

Alright, bad idea

[tame wasp]

No one is gonna use a sensor for the small chance there is a blue nebula in the center

[summer palm]

Nvm

[vital oxide]

blue nebula in center

Womp womp

[summer palm]

So then why do you want to see rocks inside nebulas if it is a small chance anyways?

[tame wasp]

Cant do that if youre outside the nebula

[vital oxide]

If rocks were entirely invisible in nebulas (like, not even visible within sight range) i would complain

[vital oxide]

And you shouldn't be able to

[tame wasp]

Because random isnt fun

[summer palm]

@tame wasp

[tame wasp]

I already answered that

[summer palm]

Exactly, it is random

So it’s probably not worth risking

[vital oxide]

Unrelated, but is anyone else having issues overriding a W input with monothrust squibs/swarmers? I've been flying this ship around and I cannot get it to turn by any means unless I release W

This issue is not present when I swap the large thrusters for huge thrusters, but is still present with boost thrusters (but not when boosting)

[tame wasp]

I just find it sad that I wont be able to use the nebula in tourbaments. It basically bahaves like an ion storm there.

[tame wasp]

Already reported

[vital oxide]

Okay cool

Gotta make a new mouse control report I've been putting that off <-<

[tame wasp]

Yes please

[summer palm]

ok, let me rephrase

So, is it really worth risking it when you know you could get a rock to make you lose?

[verbal sundial]

So just enable it for PvP as well. After all it just makes you stratergize more

[neon moth]

I miss the yellow storms effecting shields, imo they should have one or multiple of these effects on shields
multiply the passive power drain of shields by 10x
shields can only hit 1/2 of max charge
shields have 1/2 health

[modern quail]

ion storms:

[little summit]

If youre playing a rammer it can be a good idea to ram ships into them

[merry crag]

aye

i've gotten good use from them in a few matches

good way to incentivise rear armour as well

[tame wasp]

So you are saying that its fine for 2 nebulas behave in the same way?

[little summit]

I also lost to an invis asteroid before. Its really dumb as with monothrust ships you dont even have time to react at all unless youre moving at a crawl, which is a terrible idea anyways

[lost hull]

Suggestion: make ion lightning occur inside the ion storm even without a ship inside, and just make it attract to the ship when it enters.
As it doesn't make much sense that lightning only occurs when there's a ship within striking distance.

[modern quail]

true

[neon moth]

the shield changes were one of the big things about electron storms that allowed different ship types to shine and the complete removal of that interaction really sucks imo

[cold burrow]

no regen is not enough?

[modern quail]

they can regen fine (i think so anyway) its only the reactors that are affected

[cold burrow]

how u think shields regen

[little summit]

Yeah shields still instantly die in electron nebulas

The interaction is still similar

[neon moth]

i would rather an instant effect

rather than it taking a couple of seconds

[cold burrow]

why though? it does the same thing

[whole cobalt]

that's a misunderstanding of shields, you can't just affect the shield regen. If the energy in the shield is full, the shield is full. Regen is how fast you can supply the energy to the shields, you can't slow down the regen of shields

basically, nerfing reactors in EC, made shield regen more limited

[nova kayak]

i mean you can make them consume more power inside of the storm

i think it's fine as is

[little summit]

Could also just weaken their hp

But the interaction is fine as is

[shadow bone]

Is it possible to get supernova aftermath or high density systems in creative or is it career only generation?

[jovial isle]

1. no
2. yes

[coarse sandal]

i have an idea that gives incentive for people to go into the ion clouds because it is so dangerous the crew panic and run around instead of walking and maby aim weapons faster

[cold burrow]

they don't panic when they are fighting an enemy wall of death?

[livid sundial]

me after smoking that electron cloud zaza ⚡ 🍂

[coarse sandal]

nope because im pretty sure walt said something like they are proud to die in the heat of battle hence why you can convince them to get in a missile with a giant reactor for a tip (he mentioned it when talking about shoving redshirts into the diamond compressor)

[cold burrow]

they are not proud to die in a storm?

[coarse sandal]

ask your self the difrences between dieing in a fearce battle and slowly diying to a space fart

[limber wedge]

hear me out, what if we could harvest the space clouds.

[mint crown]

store it in a tank so you can tactically fart it out somewhere else

[coarse sandal]

yes i am all here for tacticaly farting on enemies

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-family-guy-farting-gif-14670805

"you may have defeated me but good look escaping this INSTANT ION CLOUD"

[livid sundial]

not a fan tbh

[verbal sundial]

For me it's mostly the idea of being able to extract resources from certain clouds. The idea does seem appealing to me (not sure on execution though).

[livid sundial]

same

[abstract crown]

bit late to the conversation but could you not have the cloud spawn in materials over time* until it reaches a limit, then the player can just fly in and pick them all up and wait for them to regenerate

*spawn objects in a similar manner to mining an asteroid or destroying a ship

[verbal sundial]

Perhaps. I'm open to how this would possibly be implemented. Could be via a purposefully build cloud extractor or small (lumps of) asteroid material or by some other means.

[abstract crown]

oh i was just thinking like how resources are collected normally

but each cloud has a lessened sensor range or something to make it difficult to properly extract the resources

maybe an EMP equivalent to an Ion Storm so you have to send crew out to manually collect resources or something

[verbal sundial]

I'm open for ideas.

For all I care we could have some sort of star-trek like searching beam scan one of those clouds and then have some of the resources spawn which then could be collectorbeamed into the ship or something.

I don't think I have a real preference

[abstract crown]

might be a bit of a pain to do

if not impossible, not sure if it is

but if you were to say push a carbon asteroid into an ion storm

maybe if said storm breaks the carbon ore block it spits out a few diamonds instead

at a higher efficiency than a player refining them

a bit tedious but far more profitable

[abstract crown]

work around could be it generating those resource caches based on each cloud type followed by it then self destruct, thus throwing their cargo into space or something

[verbal sundial]

I was thinking each cloud could give resources only once, so once farmed the resources in them would be spend

[verbal sundial]

I'm not sure if this is feasible, but it sure is creative. I kinda like this idea, though it is a bit tedious.

Could even be made possible for those who enjoy mining but not be so profitable to feel like a must-do for the people who prefer to not spend a lot of time mining for ores.