Clouds & Storms Preview

[livid sundial]

my beloved

[left rain]

they however make way for progress

[livid sundial]

its great and makes organization better

[left rain]

i mean they're great but they're inconvenient for a lot of ppl

double edged sword thats like good in the greater sense

just can be annoying for some

[livid sundial]

the changes are completly required to get the new system generation working

well, mostly but i dont think leaving them all scattered would be good

[left rain]

yeah

[livid sundial]

i feel like the smaller nebula scale for PVP is a bit too small, or the cloud clumps themselves aren't big enough

[ionic drift]

hey i was wondering how you add nebulas am comfused

[livid sundial]

the entire nebula can be seen by one sensor range
electron clouds become just "dip in here to get higher damage and no shields" for energy weapon ships
cloudy nebulas are too small to hide inside because the enemy can easily see the last place you were

but i think there's little that can be done, other than something like spawning generation changes

[livid sundial]

in creative: doodads menu or checkbox when generating a new map

[ionic drift]

thank 🙏

wait does it work for multiplayer?

im dumb its right above me

i still cant find it

so doodads

but i dont see anything regarding nebulas or generating a new map

ok so

[livid sundial]

check pins

not on nebula preview

[ionic drift]

ah i see

thank

[ionic drift]

Quick question will the saves you have in the preview transfer to the actual game?

[livid sundial]

no idea but should'nt cause issues

[ionic drift]

Sweet just wondering me and a friend are grand admiraling in a career mode. Gaseous nebulas scary…

[jovial isle]

There is no difference between going to the preview and updating the game.

Everything is transfered, saves, mods, settings.

[ionic drift]

Good to know for future reference thanks 👍

[dire owl]

You may have issues going backwards from preview to current stable, though once stable gets updated with nebulas, the saves will most likely work. I don't want to promise that though.

[ionic drift]

I don’t plan on reverting the save to the current game state, only when nebulas are integrated to it.

[grand plank]

just a small suggestion-- eventually there should be an option to remove the tooltip for what the gas clouds do that displays when ur ship is inside of one, because after a while people will already know what it does

[dire owl]

For the next preview I'm making it so those tooltips only show up if zoomed out pretty far. Please let me know how you like it after that preview is released.

[grand plank]

that seems like a great idea actually!

ill look forward to it 👍

[graceful eagle]

I just tried with my friends last night and it crashed- good to know once the nebulas are moved to stable we’ll be able to play our save! Looks like we’ll be in beta-land til then 🫡

[dire owl]

Clouds & Storms Preview

[graceful eagle]

*tried launching our save in stable after we had played in the beta w/ nebulas

[dire owl]

@everyone New nebula clouds & storms preview build is live on Steam! Thanks for all your testing and feedback so far! Keep it coming! 🙂

Changelog:

• Nebulas are now called "clouds" or "storms" in all player-facing text. (They are still called nebulas in code and rules files.)
• Clouds/storms now have much softer edges when zoomed out and look more natural. Their edges are also a bit thinner when zoomed in to better convey where the nebula begins.
• Electron clouds now have a more yellowish tint.
• Cloud/storm tooltips will now only be shown when zoomed sufficiently far out.
• Ships will no longer pathfind around gas clouds.
• Gaseous Cloud balance changes:
  • Increased radar range from 50% to 75%.
  • Increased drag from 2.0x normal to 2.5x normal.
• Electron Cloud balance changes:
  • Decreased reactor debuff from 90% to 80%.
  • Reduced radar range from 100% to 50%.
  • Increased drag from 1.0x normal to 1.5x normal.
• Ships will no longer respawn inside nebulas in Arena mode.
• Players will no longer spawn inside nebulas in Build & Battle, nor will any nebulas be generated that overlap the central control point.
• Firing Tractor Beams and Resource Collectors will now reveal their ships while inside gas nebulas.
• Ships will now properly pathfind around clouds/storms when their destination is another ship.
• Ships will now fly normally when exiting sun damage zones. (Also fixes a flight issue that could occur when trying to exit a binary sun damage zone.)
• Fixed Ion Prisms not receiving the +75% damage buff from electron clouds.
• Fixed enemy A.I. ships being able to "see" inside gas clouds and follow their targets when they should not have been able to.
• Fixed fancy lighting being applied to ships as if they were in exterior view even when in interior view.
• Fixed Ion Storms not visually blending properly with the fog of war.
• Fixed an issue causing clouds/storms on the minimap to have strange parallax effects when zooming in and out.
• Everything from latest stable branch patches.

[graceful eagle]

Will the current saves we have been playing in the previous build work in this next build?

[dire owl]

pretty sure yes

[graceful eagle]

Also, one thing we noticed last night - we encountered a pirate base in a nebula and I was able to turn on my ion beams to infinite fire and just cozy on up to the station just outside visibility and wait for it to melt without it firing a single missile at me. However, before that when we were eliminating the ships that were patrolling around the base, the base opened fire on us. So the base knew we were there when its allies saw us, but immediately forgot once its allies were destroyed. Not sure if that is intentional, maybe pirates in the cosmoteer universe have goldfish-like memory.

[tame wasp]

I liked how electron clouds had no drag. The reactor debuff will turn thrusters off anyways.
But Im gonna see how it feels in game

[dire owl]

Were you out of its sight range?

[livid sundial]

quitting my minecraft rn brb

[graceful eagle]

I believe so. I can’t remember if it had a radar module on it or not but I did not have radar and it was outside of my sight

[dire owl]

Oh so you were firing your ions blind?

[graceful eagle]

Yes 😎

[dire owl]

interesting haha

[graceful eagle]

If the station was manned by humans, I would imagine they would fire their missiles in the general direction of the ion beam that was melting their station, no? It sometimes seems like the pirate hunters are capable of locking on to my ships far outside their sight range. I’m curious if your intent is to support my blind ion firing tactics or not - I personally felt like I was cheating while doing it but we had suffered massive losses already so I felt I had to try to mitigate losses

[dire owl]

Maybe firing weapons should just generally let enemy weapons target outside their normal sight range?

[topaz cedar]

Mt. Dew clouds :DDD

[ionic drift]

do i just have to reload the game for the update to roll out?

[grand plank]

well are you participating in the preview yet?

[ionic drift]

i was in the preview

[summer palm]

hi coco

[ionic drift]

before the update was announced

imma find out

[grand plank]

yeah me too

[ionic drift]

yeah i gotta update it

we good

[grand plank]

i was going to give an answer but then i realized i dont know 💀

[ionic drift]

crazy

i liked the comically short sensor range but this makes more sense

[balmy cove]

Gaseous Cloud balance changes:
Increased radar range from 50% to 75%.

Electron Cloud balance changes:
Reduced radar range from 100% to 50%.
why is the one made around being stealthy not reduce radar range as much as one that isnt?

[ionic drift]

oh huh

im still getting normal sensor range for the electron cloud

or is it like

enemy pings

wawa

[graceful eagle]

I know in StarCraft/warcraft the way this is handled is once an enemy outside your sight range (ex above you on a cliff or behind foliage) fires upon you, they’re revealed to you within your normal sight range and you can attack them. I think it works generally well and stops silly cheese like what I was doing to that poor base of pirates last night

[livid sundial]

sensor ≠ visual range

its just enemy ping range

[balmy cove]

oh

[livid sundial]

liking the changes so far although the tiny time i could test did not get me seeing the far away to zoomed in transition

emergencies called

[livid sundial]

i wonder if changing "radar" to "detection" range in all instances might help players confused? i don't know i'm too tired to give any more meaningful feedback other than the very high contrast/saturation of electron clouds

gn

[tranquil mountain]

n

[civic fable]

woah the implications of diff storms having diff drag means maybe some areas can have less drag? or maybe some sort of wind?

some sort of outside force on ships would have to be implemented if the game is gonna have black holes..

[mystic sparrow]

still vouching for areas of currents or space wind that push in a direction

[balmy cove]

i have had multiple suggestions and an entire fourms post on things like that

it would be cool

[livid sundial]

yes you can make low drag clouds

[quartz girder]

Space clouds :D

[nocturne scarab]

Pathfinding issue with RTS where the ship oscillate when entering a gaseous nebula

[livid sundial]

electron clouds buffs lasers so what about cloudy nebulas buffing explosives

[livid sundial]

if two ships are just beside eachother and one is inside a gaseous cloud and one is not, the outside can't see eachother (and may even be colliding with, unsure.)
i suggest like a 100m or less radius where you are able to see ships inside a gaseous cloud even if you're outside

many things can happen if the enemy knows your exact location and they don't, and are only 10m apart from eachother

[glad tulip]

#ask-walt message

it's full of oxygen so it would be accurate if it buffed fire propagation

[livid sundial]

evil cosmoteer be like
weed cloud
chaingun storm

[ionic drift]

idk if this is supposed to happen but its running straight through the station when on AI normal

nvm the pathing magically fixed itself 😭

[nocturne scarab]

Yes it is a common occurance

[ionic drift]

yarg

alright then

[vital oxide]

I’ve noticed this playing career with the new nebulas too, the same seems to happen with asteroids

I have to manually pathfind around rocks now

[livid sundial]

(oh, also i don't think the asteroid belt doodad is supposed to show when ui is toggled off)

[ionic drift]

question is PD considered an energy weapon? do they get buffed dmg?

[livid sundial]

bounty points and hyper jump beacons, cute couples

mmm very very very spicy

fancy storms make ion storms very easy to tell edges of

intentional? but that gives advantage to fancy clouds and storms

[livid sundial]

how curious. its all symetrical

[knotty elk]

Rotational symmetry for placing cap spots but not for my mirro mode? SMH

[graceful eagle]

Noticed that the electron clouds seem to trap the civilian ships when the cloud fully encircles a station.

[balmy cove]

mob farm

[nocturne scarab]

Litterally moths

[gaunt parrot]

That's pretty funny, do you have a save file?

[graceful eagle]

Yes can you let me know where it would be located on my computer and I’ll post it

[gaunt parrot]

C:\Users\USERNAME\Saved Games\Cosmoteer\STEAM ID\Saved Games

[graceful eagle]

Great I’ll post it. Also, question for you - is there a way to reveal the whole map in developer mode? My friend’s hauler has completely disappeared without a trace and we spent 4 hours trying to find it’s remains last night with zero luck

[gaunt parrot]

Sounds like it was destroyed, you can't lose a ship as it will always have a blip on the map indicating its position.
To reveal the entire map you can go into your current game settings and turn ON the "I hate exploring" option.

[graceful eagle]

But that only shows the. “?” Icons right? It won’t allow me to find the pile of resources at the site of the Hauler’s death?

This was our 4 hours of searching

[gaunt parrot]

I don't think there's a way to remove the FOW in career. To see what's in an area you need a ship nearby. Someone might correct me though

[livid sundial]

fog of war is essential to career

else you would run career at 0fps

[graceful eagle]

Totally understood. I have zero intention of actually running career without fog of war. My intention is to find the remains of my friend’s ship and then continue to play as normal

[livid sundial]

i don't think there is much you can do

i think you can transfer a ship to someone but

idk i havent played

[ionic drift]

what is this...

that looks like it was painfull to do

what does supernova aftermath do?

[livid sundial]

many nebula

[ionic drift]

ohh

[knotty elk]

this, no star and a shit ton of storms

[ionic drift]

is it all three?

[livid sundial]

i agree

[ionic drift]

oh

oh god thats what it is

[livid sundial]

cloaking be like

[ionic drift]

bwomp

[frozen gale]

ion barge jumpscare

[mint needle]

lmao

[livid sundial]

preview build and rails and railfanning don't like eachother

or was it last stable branch release?

i do not remember

aftermath systems has so many ion storms my ship ai decided to dive

that's almost a quarter of the circle

Binary + High density when

nvm i think its high density by default

[livid sundial]

non-continous?

or is the ion storm counts as the same nebula

[stone grail]

Sorry I spilled my radioactive juice there

[livid sundial]

gaseous clouds are like a toggle on radar and is not contiguous with eachother ( i am the ship on the mid left, i can detect the one on bottom right despite being on separate clouds
oversight or limitation?

[livid sundial]

new feathering is good but it looks like this sometimes

[summer palm]

bruh uh

[livid sundial]

i mean technically you can see in a short radius in pvp, even though its really small and is difficult to fire at the enemy if they arent firing. even inside nebulas (which i thought you could see inside, not just the radar ping. maybe a simple overlay to show sight range in clouds might help?

[shut oasis]

Headlights can have a meaningful role now! 🔦 #1237176604992606208 message

[mystic sparrow]

i still stand by that it could work without changing the visibility bubble and just letting lights reveal ship pings from a further distance, lidar-style

[livid sundial]

i wish the sight range in pvp inside a gaseous cloud would be higher but i think it's tied to the normal sight range so... hmmm...

[ionic drift]

is there any reason why some of my ships when im attacking something just completely goes off somewhere else when in an electron cloud?

pathing is silly

[neon moth]

interesting

[knotty elk]

piloting skill check?

[neon moth]

in my mind the clouds and storms update is ready for release although I can't see back end stuff

[livid sundial]

i think rails and railfanning is bugged, and like never fire
also some stuff like seeing ships outside your gaseous nebula clump is funky #1240477727597920357 message and i hope its fixed or something
people bring up the amount of ion storms in supernova systems
some bugs here and there if you scroll up

[neon moth]

ah alr

welp NVM me lol

[shut oasis]

when it is released: Will clouds/nebulae appear in games saved before the update? maybe in a system not yet visited?

[sick dagger]

From how the system was described to work in the past, it should likely appear in new systems

[dire owl]

limitation but might be able to solve it

[livid sundial]

[dire owl]

A saved game of this would be helpful.

[dire owl]

it's getting close, lots of feedback to still implement though

[ionic drift]

ill try and replicate it my friend has the save hes not online

[dire owl]

1. Only in systems not yet visited.
2. All star systems in existing saves will default to the standard system type (no binary, high-density, or supernova systems).

[ionic drift]

i think thats how you do it idk

just some things just incase it doesnt replicate

it doesnt happen all the time though its only a few ships i know do this, my APS and a few of my friend's ships

[dire owl]

Thanks! I'll check it out when I get a chance.

[livid sundial]

pvp in normal range, short ROD size, varied sparse nebulas
sad that very little clouds spawn and often only electron clouds

[nocturne scarab]

Have you meet some large obstacles or it's just a ton of slight tweaks?

[dire owl]

mostly just a lot of little/medium things

[cold burrow]

i think electron nebulae are either incredibly undesirable to fight in or are good for a bit, but this just makes a no-go zone for most pvp, since unless both players are willing to go into it, nothing will happen

the effects should not be so undesirous that a fight will almost never be in one unless rod is tiny, so i think they should not disable shields - it hurts ears and also already makes "good" shield setups bad by limiting reactor

[left rain]

maybe instead of disabling shields it makes the passive power drain faster?

[balmy cove]

i dont see why it needs to effect shields in specific like this when the reduced power gen already hurts them massively

[left rain]

if that's a possibility it'd probably be a lot more organic than just switching them off and be pretty easy to balance

[livid sundial]

maybe it just disables engine room buff

or some other energy related effect

[tame wasp]

i think the option to have the entire map be nebula would be pretty fun

you couldnt avoid it that way

[livid sundial]

there is, kinda

dense nebulas do that basically

[tame wasp]

I know but there are still big empty areas where you can camp

[verbal sundial]

Are the dust clouds etc getting some sliders or other customization options which make the amount that spawn somewhat tweakable?

[neon moth]

there is some railskipping issues with railfanning in the RC

[livid sundial]

agreed

[tame wasp]

Thats been the case for a long time. I dont think its the rc

[livid sundial]

maybe EMP should not be buffed by electron nebula but i do not know

[grizzled rune]

A friend and I tried Build & Battle in this version, we found two bugs:
-In the Build time, Chainguns give infinite money (Slowly)
-Can see other ship when both are in gaseous clouds, no matter distance or if one is firing or not

[dire owl]

I'm able to reproduce a B&B bug where if you auto-fire chainguns during build phase, your money will increase while it is firing and then reset back to normal when it's finished. Is that what you're seeing, or is there a more permanent way to gain money?

[grizzled rune]

That's it

[dire owl]

gotcha, thanks!

[dire owl]

@everyone New nebula Clouds & Storms preview build!

• Clouds/storms are no longer "binary" in the sense that ships are either completely inside or completely outside. The effects of the cloud/storm will now ramp up as the ship goes deeper into it.
• While touching or inside a cloud/storm, an icon will now be displayed on the U.I. indicating its type and percentage of ramp-up.
• Ships that are hidden in gas clouds will now have a different selection circle to indicate that they are hidden.
• Ion Storms now cause powerful lightning strikes that hit the perimeter of the ship instead of continuous damage all over. These lightning strikes are theoretically blockable by shields. (But the shields will take damage from them like normal.) [Note: The ion lightning VFX is placeholder and does not yet have any sounds.]
• Ion Storms will no longer kill crew.
• Disruptors and EMP missiles are no longer buffed inside electron clouds.
• Shields can now operate inside electron clouds.
• Ships in one gas cloud can no longer see or detect ships in another unconnected gas cloud.
• Supernova Aftermath systems now have a bit less ion storms.
• Tweaked the visual edges of clouds/storms so that it is more apparent when there is a gap between them that a ship can fly through.
• Ships should now be better at not accidentally straying into nebulas when navigating around them.
• Navigation around clouds and storms can now be disabled in the gameplay settings. (Note that having it enabled also requires collision avoidance to be enabled.)
• Fix: The feathered edges of the ion storm lightning weren't rendering correctly.
• Fix: Ships to get stuck when pathing around nebulas if their final destination was sufficiently close to the nebula that they were pathing around.
• Various other fixes/tweaks unrelated to clouds/storms that I'm too lazy to writeup but will be in the next stable patch.

Please note that we're still working on polishing up the VFX for the nebulas, will hopefully be making them a bit more alive/dynamic.

Please keep your feedback and bug reports coming!

[neon moth]

awesome!

[livid sundial]

hell yeah

[neon moth]

quick question, has the ion prism fix been added?

[tame wasp]

those all seem like great changes

[livid sundial]

HUGE changes

[last oyster]

the ion storm no longer being a no go death zone is defintly a great change

[dire owl]

Yes, that should have already been fixed in the previous build.

[neon moth]

yay! thank you Walt and Celeste!

pvp players rejoice

[dire owl]

Uh, wait until you try flying into it before concluding it's no longer a death zone. 😛

[last oyster]

slightly less of a death zone then

[dire owl]

Here's a gif of the new ion lightning:

[unreal thorn]

nice, why so red tho?

[livid sundial]

ion

[dire owl]

Because red is the color of ion!

[left rain]

most hyped for the 1st change

[unreal thorn]

fair enough lol

[livid sundial]

i am now reminded how much i sounded like chatgpt when suggesting ideas earlier 😭

[balmy cove]

very nice!
makes me imagine a lighting rod type part you could stick into ion storms to generate power, but you still have to be careful to not stick the rest of your ship in

[vital oxide]

Yes!!!!

[jovial isle]

wasnt it already ready for testing?

[dire owl]

Yeah, the one thing that's still binary is if a ship is hidden by a gas cloud. Not really a way to make that non-binary.

Oh also FTL prohibition in electron clouds is still binary.

[livid sundial]

iirc the effects are per ship center

so no "just the tip"
but idk if that changed for this update

[nocturne scarab]

Thanks a thousand times!!! It's great to have a living game that get careful development and listen to feedback <3

[neon moth]

badass, what speed was this recorded on?

[last oyster]

could do that like the space endgenears decoy block

[unreal thorn]

looking at the explosions cant be more than twice if at all

[neon moth]

alr ty

[dire owl]

pretty sure 1x

[neon moth]

gotcha, just wanted to know how hard it's gonna hit

[gaunt parrot]

Those new ion lightning graphics are awesome

[dire owl]

I welcome feedback about ion storm balance. I basically took a wild guess on how frequent/powerful the lightning strikes should be.

[dire owl]

They're literally just the EMP lightning changed to red. They will likely be refined/replaced.

[neon moth]

is it fully RNG targeting or does it take anything into account?

[livid sundial]

based on the gif that seems like a medium inconvenience

[frozen gale]

Love the change on ion storms from a death zone to a lightning hazard. seriously awesome change, well done!!

[dire owl]

It targets random parts on the ship but then does an actual raycast to see what it actually hits.

[unreal thorn]

btw on those strikes are all the strikes the same damage?
(so fixed damage for how far you are in)

[nocturne scarab]

I kinda like the ion storms being a death zone, it brings something against kites

[neon moth]

from my point of view armor should act like a lighting rod for ion lightning

[tender ember]

I haven’t been following the cloud stuff so closely, is this available in elimination like asteroids are? If so is it available as randomly generated or is it seeded or something

[dire owl]

always 10k damage currently

[neon moth]

so weighted rng

[remote anvil]

is there a code to test this?

[livid sundial]

CHECK PINS

[nocturne scarab]

That would be a pain to code imo

Not worth it

[nocturne scarab]

Yes. Random it seems

[livid sundial]

from my point of view not really
just may make the ligthning a bit more laggy by a very small amount

[remote anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/well-oh-gif-19009954

[left rain]

i see. makes sense.

[dire owl]

I think where I'd like ion storms to be balanced is for it to only be a good idea to go into them in extreme/rare circumstances, or you've made a ship specialized to survive them.

[unreal thorn]

alright cool,
maybe if they are too weak it would be cool to have a sorta range of bolts with some being thicker and doing more damage perhaps

[livid sundial]

Thank you Walt btw and everyone btw yeah

[tender ember]

Sorry I didn’t know these discussion posts could have pins. It is hidden behind the settings wheel for some reason

[dire owl]

yes

[livid sundial]

[neon moth]

depends on how it's done

[dire owl]

Beta branch on Steam, password previewpreview to unlock.

[remote anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/august-diehl-gif-15463081864328018372

[livid sundial]

oh

what a nice icon

i wonder what happens if two ships are too close in a ion storm

[tender ember]

I also did not know that screen recording also copied your audio. Excuse the music please 😭

[dire owl]

In theory they can get hit by lightning that was targeting the other.

[neon moth]

my reasoning for this is that armor already has an anti emp effect

[livid sundial]

i meant more as in "does the origin of the lightning appear inside of another ship or does it take into account both ship's radius"

[dire owl]

The origin can theoretically appear inside another ship. Not exactly sure what will happen in that case...

The original is currently always 50-100 meters from the target ship's bounding circle.

[livid sundial]

Well guess that answers the question 😭

[dire owl]

maybe i should make that not happen?

I do like the idea that you can have a ship protect another ship if it's close enough.

[livid sundial]

would'nt "only affect the ship that is being zapped" be less laggy than "avoid both ships"

hm. that's also interesting too

[neon moth]

Walt do you have an opinion on this?

[dire owl]

Could be interesting but annoying to code.

[neon moth]

alr

[nocturne scarab]

Whaa it look so nice!!

[neon moth]

put it on the maybe list lol

stretch goal

[nocturne scarab]

I like how you actually fixed ships getting damaged by storms in civilian difficulties

[livid sundial]

you are telling walt to do things??

[stone grail]

Not a fan of armor attracting the lightning since you could just go in with an armor brick

[livid sundial]

armor stick

[nova kayak]

awesome

[nocturne scarab]

Kinda sad having "fancy VFX" off prevent the storm effects from appearing

I think it should appear/not appear with the fancy storms and cloud setting

[nova kayak]

i really like this

Shields can now operate inside electron clouds.
Shields are already nerfed with the reactor nerf

[livid sundial]

its WIP graphics which iirc is taken from the disruptor shock

[nocturne scarab]

Ah right

[livid sundial]

[nocturne scarab]

Hopes it get changed

[nova kayak]

send the full log file

[frozen gale]

wild idea: defensive roof mounted lightning rod building that needs a decent amount of power and is expensive, but when placed directs 80% of lightning bolts towards it, without taking damage

[dire owl]

Unintentional

[stone grail]

Also if it doesn't do that already maybe the lightning should also apply a weak emp effect to make "sundiving" it slightly harder

[livid sundial]

no its modding stuff

[frozen gale]

i'd disagree, ion beams don't have an EMP effect so why would ion storms?

[stone grail]

Hmm fair

[livid sundial]

seems to be experiments on ai

[nocturne scarab]

Small ships not getting alot of damage is kinda dumb imo

[nova kayak]

nah i think that's a fine mechanic

[nocturne scarab]

Like it travelled all of this with little damage
Same can be said for the larger ship tbh

[dire owl]

That damage should be directly proportional to ship size, but maybe it's just not frequent enough?

[frozen gale]

I mean, one correct shot will completely MIA that ship, versus the bigger one. I think its fine

[nocturne scarab]

I think so

[frozen gale]

sundiving is kinda the same case, you need a lot more shielding the bigger your sundiving vessel is

[nova kayak]

spinners will hide in red zones

[frozen gale]

lmao

[stone grail]

"already targeted by ally" Captain actually did it LFG

Been suggesting something like that for a long time

[livid sundial]

i think it might be about the 10k damage on hit and lower frequency of lightning

[stone grail]

Nvm it was Tapuck #1134169119508406363 message

[nocturne scarab]

Maybe damage frequancy could be proportional to speed? How codeable is that? (that is soly to balance fast ship current superiority in ion storms)

[neon moth]

half damage, double frequency perhaps?

[livid sundial]

5k would still instakill 1x1 armor so that would be about double damage over time unless you use 2x1 armor

[dire owl]

That would be easy to code but I'm not convinced it would be better.

[nocturne scarab]

Is it relative to ship size or cost, maybe weight?

[dire owl]

relative to number of tiles

[livid sundial]

will the Fmt strings be/stay uncapitalized

i personally find it fine but idk about others

[dire owl]

which strings?

[livid sundial]

CloudyHudFmt

and etc

[dire owl]

oh the actual text

[livid sundial]

[dire owl]

that HUD text has never been capitalized

[nocturne scarab]

I think double frequency and equal damage would be close to perfect

[livid sundial]

it hasnt been noticed on my part yet 😭

this is nice

[dire owl]

is that modded?

[merry crag]

it'd be really cool for ion lightning to make ion prisms output a short beam

[livid sundial]

yes

[nocturne scarab]

WE HAVE BARACKS NOW?!

[stone grail]

WHAT

[livid sundial]

whuh

[nocturne scarab]

That wasn't in the patchnote ;w;

[dire owl]

hahahaha oh right

[summer palm]

what?

[stone grail]

(I can't play rn, enlighten me)

[dire owl]

that was one of those "too lazy to patch note" things

[summer palm]

is this update on normal, or only preview?

[livid sundial]

only preview

[summer palm]

ah

[livid sundial]

[summer palm]

poggers

Barracks

[stone grail]

Wait how many crew is it

[livid sundial]

one of them is mine (the second one)
where's my compensation for the idea since i posted on ask walt (this is satire)

[summer palm]

pvp architects are going crazy with this one

i swear

[nocturne scarab]

I'm melting from the inside

[summer palm]

I must find a way to reduce setup time in avoiders

[nocturne scarab]

So exited with all the funky stuff that will allow

[summer palm]

Indeed!

[stone grail]

If Walt was too lazy to mention this I'm expecting to find black holes or another incredibly important thing

[summer palm]

[merry crag]

i think it could be cool. a station with lighting rods just existing in a storm could be a really cool place, and making faster ships get hit more would help with speed meta

[summer palm]

that would be cool

[dire owl]

How are you building that right barracks? It's not supposed to be in the build.

[merry crag]

.

[dire owl]

oh gotcha

[merry crag]

how much crew is the new barracks?

[livid sundial]

24

[merry crag]

ooo

[stone grail]

Jani modding the previews any%

[dire owl]

we tried something kind of similar to that (2 doors on one end, 1 on the other)

[pallid cradle]

I am always terrified I will find stuff in the nebulae when I go in.

There should be stuff in then nebulas to be afraid of 😄

[summer palm]

wait, does the design depend on doors palcement?

[livid sundial]

roof btw

[dire owl]

but i chose for the simpler 1-door-on-each-end version

[summer palm]

oh wow

it looks so cool

[livid sundial]

no that's my version i made for my mod ages ago

[merry crag]

finally, crew corridors return

[livid sundial]

it's this one!!!!

sorry for the confusion

[summer palm]

oh no

OH NO

it's all fun and laughs until a fire starts

[stone grail]

Tho the round tables look funky at the edges when zoomed in

[livid sundial]

i only changed 1 line of the mod to get preview-5 code to work on preview-6

[dire owl]

Lol, this was a concern, but my hope is that by being 3x4 people won't just spam them in place of corridors everywhere. 😛

[pallid cradle]

That crew quarters should be 10x as flammable due to the extra skin flakes and farts

[summer palm]

Lol, i used to saw that so much in classic

Door spam was a very common thing in Classic

[livid sundial]

😭

atleast this solves the empty roof of mine

[vital oxide]

this is definitely going to happen for operator crew

[summer palm]

lol

i already made an avoider with the barracks

[livid sundial]

easy retrofit

[summer palm]

oh my god

the setup time is so much lower

now i got 15 seconds without even trying

[hollow pagoda]

What the big quarters??????

[livid sundial]

its more crew per space but good luck making your ship be in increments of 24

[hollow pagoda]

Is that a mod or what

[livid sundial]

this one is vanilla

[hollow pagoda]

Yoooooo

I'ma make new ships

This will actually help a lot with my more medium sized ships because I'd always struggle to find a spot for crew

[slender wyvern]

wait , the bigger quarters is real?

[livid sundial]

yes

i literally said this is vanilla in the gc

[slender wyvern]

impossible

i must think

[mint crown]

I wish the ion storm clouds could be mitigated by having ion prisms on-board

[livid sundial]

😭 why

would probably be a buff to ion rammers

[quartz girder]

Very cool, I like the change that storms are no longer either 100% affecting or not affecting at all.

[livid sundial]

on another note i just saw crew fly off into space to clear out fires during a battle and thats wack

Starimaya

[nocturne scarab]

I thought i was cooking 😭

Anyways thanks Walt for not making this a thing lmao

[stone grail]

Seen that happen multiple times already in the past, nothing new

[stone grail]

Adding a thin layer of armor around the core might actually work

Or shields

[snow kindle]

i feel like ion storms should be used as like a barrier to a big reward, where the only ways to get to whatever its blocking is either fighting some hard ships or flying through

idk just an idea

[nocturne scarab]

I tried but might aswell do a full armor shell

Shields does not work

[livid sundial]

i'm still in disbelief all of this is real

[slender wyvern]

yeah they do that now

a while ago

[livid sundial]

i thought they did not do that while in combat

[slender wyvern]

if crew cannot reach a fire through normal means

or are too far to reach a fire in time

[livid sundial]

yeah ik the logic

[slender wyvern]

they will leave an airlock with a fire extinguisher to remove the flame

[livid sundial]

😭

[merry crag]

tbh they need it

not exactly meta

[hollow pagoda]

i am getting straight to building with this new crew quarter

its pretty spacious for 24 crew but trying to find a use for 24 crew with a single role especially on smaller ships will be really hard 😅

[merry crag]

great for operators

updated my ion rammer to use the new barracks

[hollow pagoda]

im making a 6 deck gun rammer that uses a barracks to operate them all

[livid sundial]

this looks so disgusting

😭

[hollow pagoda]

💀 itll work

[nocturne scarab]

It litterally cannot sustain it's own thrusters

7,6 powerdraw, that higher than what medium reactor gives

[hollow pagoda]

i will make it work

i promise

[tranquil mountain]

i dont know how feasable it would be but it would be cool for it to have a bias against hitting long exposed edges and stuff, kinda like the opposite of lightning

[livid sundial]

why so

it's random so the bias is kinda there

[frozen gale]

the weird issue where longer MRTs consumed less power is no longer the case 🙏

now I can design modules with confidence again yippee

[hollow pagoda]

made this with the 24 crew barracks but ima see how small of a ship i can effectively utilize it

[livid sundial]

after using mine for so long seeing the vanilla barracks makes me feel so weird now
but guess it all comes full circle

[frozen gale]

Wait.. how did I miss this?? How long has this been in the game???

I thought I was playing with mods but no, none enabled

[livid sundial]

today

[frozen gale]

they can ALMOST sustain an MRT module

I'll figure out something.. someday.. I hope ;-;

[frozen gale]

ok yeah no nvm my dreams are staying dreams

[dense yew]

True, before coming here would be comparable to death making ship as weak as possible

[dense yew]

Wait, isn't it a bit... Too much? With such amount of lightnings, each one-shotting double armor block? Aren't even sun deal like 3-4 times lower damage if you are in 50-80 meters from the edge?

[dense yew]

So, ion storm divers :)?

Making those will be harder than making sun divers I think

[dense yew]

Wait what? I somehow missed it too

[hollow pagoda]

dang the lightning is somehow just as brutal in a much cooler way

[frozen gale]

it dropped today lol

[hollow pagoda]

i immediately made a ship with it in like 20 minutes lel

[frozen gale]

I'm still kind of shocked barracks have been added, it's going to change a lot with capital ships

[hollow pagoda]

Pummeler

[frozen gale]

the train I'm trying to build really benefits from it though, it uses way less space than bunks

[dense yew]

I mean its VERY useful, 24 crew for 12 blocks is A LOT

[hollow pagoda]

3x4 24 crew is pretty dope

[frozen gale]

it's great for super crew heavy uses, though I don't expect it to be used everywhere

it's pretty overkill for most ship modules/sections, and the crew have to all go through a single door

[dense yew]

There is 2 doors?

[frozen gale]

gonna be interesting to see the new ion beam ships w it though

[dense yew]

.(Oh wait, sorry if pinged)

[frozen gale]

sorta, it has one door on the top and bottom in the middle

no doors anywhere else

[hollow pagoda]

yeah i mean i figured 6 deck guns was perfect for an operator barracks

so i made the little spine thing

and a rammer with 6 DC

[frozen gale]

Ah fair

[nocturne scarab]

Nah, just replace shields by armor

Make it have an internal spinner core; unlike the sun damage zone ionstorm spawn abit further away so the shell can eat the ion projectiles of the core

These should work like a charm.

[glacial mauve]

Oh wow I love the Stitch pattern!

[jovial isle]

no way you stitched your ship together?

[mint needle]

i forgot how to access this

the prevoew

*preview

never mind

found it

[latent sentinel]

Tried making a 6 HE module with the new barracks, this version saves 4,400 credits (you could save more by cutting the bunks) compared to the 6 HE module in Inferno. There is a slight lull in the launchers because of how far away the crew are, so you could replace the FE with Bunks to improve it and offset part of the cost by replacing each side's 2 2x2 with 1 3x2.

After shoving it onto Inferno and replacing some of the operator's quarters with barracks (you can also replace some of the power suppliers quarters with barracks if needed), it is around 23k underbudget (23,504 under to be exact).

[mint needle]

holy the ion storms

they are deadly

[neon moth]

love the new barracks

it let me save 12k

actually im gonna try a thing

[neon moth]

thing was worse

[verbal sundial]

The preview still crashes for me with my current mod list

[quartz girder]

What the hell is big crew room 😭😭😭😭

[jovial isle]

jani mod

i think

[quartz girder]

No apparently it's official.

My head disintigrated when I found out.

[jovial isle]

wtf

WHAT

why did walt tell us about everything except the best feature

[neon moth]

through a bit of testing I've found something out, the best DPS version of this is 2 bunks + 2 quarters of factory crew and 2 barracks of supply/operator crew

it's cheaper to have a joint factory/supply barracks and then an operator barracks elsewhere but you lose dps

joint factory / missile supply crew aren't good

[livid sundial]

nah jani mod is the one that only one side is open

these are official

[nova kayak]

i like the new barracks, they're a lot of fun to use

[jovial isle]

mhm

time to crew

[quartz girder]

It's obviously more cost-effective than quarters right?

[nova kayak]

yes, you save about 1.5k for each one

[quartz girder]

Quarters are no longer the optimal ones ;~;

[nova kayak]

it's not a huge improvement but it makes 24:12 ions (instead of 22:11) a lot more viable

[latent sentinel]

Can you send it, I want to look at it?

[neon moth]

ship that uses it

[hollow pagoda]

i feel like the recent modules we've been getting have been encouraging l o n g ships

chainguns

MRTs

3x4 crew quarters

[quartz girder]

3x4 is crazy.

[hollow pagoda]

i made a DC rammer that uses 1 of them to operate all 6 guns

[quartz girder]

Nice, so that's what, 24 crew?

[hollow pagoda]

yeah, its 24 crew so it saves 4 grid squares of space

effectively its an extra Quarters without taking up more space

[livid sundial]

[hollow pagoda]

its going to be strange to place though, because theres only 1 door on the top and 1 door on the bottom

crew who are at the very back of the barracks are going to take forever to leave it

so again ive mostly just been using it to fill operator jobs

basically any job where the crew rarely go back to the quarters

oh, its cheaper than if you were to just use 4 quarters aswell

just realized that

[vital oxide]

same price per unit area and per weight but less per crew

[nova kayak]

that's only if it doesnt have crew inside

[vital oxide]

that’s all i’m saying

[livid sundial]

so from what little ive played ion storms act more like "minor inconvenience exept for your engines" 😭

[stone grail]

ehh can still be good

"please make it please make it"

[livid sundial]

i think it deals less than head-first sun damage

[stone grail]

engine explodes

[livid sundial]

and thats

[stone grail]

stuck in storm

die slowly

[livid sundial]

death

[stone grail]

regret your actions

[nocturne scarab]

I stand to my opinion that frequancy should be doubled

[dire owl]

This thread be like...

[knotty elk]

Lol

[dense yew]

true lol

nebulas effects battles, but people will try to mostly avoid them, plus they can change so creating a strategy it too early

while barracks adds new ship part that is very useful and can make ships way more price-efficient and more compress ships

like what can you do to nebulas? they just exist as a zone with effect

[livid sundial]

nebulas are terrain (as it was designed to)
barracks is a new ship part and easily sparks creativity

mostly affects combat which idk if many are doing combat

anyway i how intuitive everything in the last preview is going

with the graphical tweaks and additions it'll probably be releasable already

[dense yew]

Same

New update will be a meta boom, new modules, new ships

[livid sundial]

career may or may not get something new

idk if the dialogue thing will ship

but atleast AI will try not to clump one ship iirc

[livid sundial]

Here's a suggestion:

since the hiteffect for the ion storm supposedly can be anything

do a

slices = 1
type = explosivedamage
damagetype = default

so the damage spreads/is not wasted on hit

1 lightning (10k damage) destroys 2 armor blocks in one go plus damages a bit of another part

[quartz girder]

You're unhinged Walt

[livid sundial]

that's extremly hinged be glad Walt doesnt post in offtopic since uhh 2020

[frozen gale]

Now I'm imagining 24 off duty ion laser crews all in the barracks having a huge debate over what kind of ion cores are the best

[last oyster]

theres just the one crew thats like: "i dont care what core it is as long as it goes Ê̷͂M̷͛̎W̷̍̕E̸̓̈́W̷̒̋E̶̐͠W̸̉̔E̷͑̅W̵͋͝E̴͋WEWEWEWWEMM̶̍͝M̷̀̍M̸MMMMMM̵̆̊M̷͑͋M̶̈͊M̸̾̄M̶MMM"

[dense yew]

Wait, he used to?

[livid sundial]

a few times to post something

last time i remember something like that was #murphys law in #1019743360958877807

but thats not on offtopic

[jovial isle]

#off-topic message

last known off topic message

[slender wyvern]

career 2.0 releases
it adds a lot of new paint decals

everyone fawns over the paint decals instead of the career overhaul

[knotty elk]

Walt removing all the new decals so it doesn't overshadow the career changes

[slender wyvern]

The Great Cosmoteer Community Revolt of 2025-26

[civic fable]

how can i tell what system is a supernova aftermath system?

[jovial isle]

it tells you

in the system description

[civic fable]

???

oh u need a career save?

[jovial isle]

oh right people play creative

yeah idk how to show it there

[nocturne scarab]

ye

In my experience creative systems does not have the career features of various nebulas layouts. They are all the same layout

[civic fable]

there should be collision avoidance settings

lmao

[shadow bone]

yes i encountered that too

tweaking the command move files doesnt appear to have any affect

[civic fable]

are there intended to be points of interest surrounded by ion storms?

it is somewhat a hassle to tell the ship to go thru this

[nocturne scarab]

Maybe you should actually open the settings before asking

Or read the patchnote in pinned messages

Navigation around clouds and storms can now be disabled in the gameplay settings. (Note that having it enabled also requires collision avoidance to be enabled.)

[livid sundial]

hold shift

[dire owl]

Save files of ships doing dumb stuff near nebulas would be appreciated.

[dire owl]

Not really, again a save file would be helpful

[civic fable]

i should have elaborated. i suggest more options for enemy/ neutral/ ally ships.. also separate ion storms from electron clouds

[civic fable]

how should i point out the locations with pathfinding issues

bc this map has a bunch

lmao i unintentionally cut 90% of this shrike's thrusters

anyhow there's this chokepoint here that the storm doesnt actually touch but my ship wont enter it

[unreal summit]

In multiplayer career we made a diamond factory and fed it carbon, No diamonds are being made.

This is in the nebula preview

So might be a bug.

[civic fable]

save file

[unreal summit]

How do i proviide that?

[gaunt parrot]

You can find them in C:\Users\USERNAME\Saved Games\Cosmoteer\STEAM ID\Saved Games

[unreal summit]

Its on the Kalberd

[unreal summit]

Alright im sorry it appears there wasnt enough carbon in the factory and this was a false alarm, it looked like it had enough tho

[jovial isle]

look at the lamps

one of them is off

-------------

Are there ternary systems?

[livid sundial]

no

[jovial isle]

:<

[coarse sandal]

i have this glich with modding whats strange is that it works perfect for my friend, we are trying to play the new pach with some mods i have got them but every time i try to load in it crashes but for my friend he is able to play if someone could give me pointers on what to do and what things is needed to figure out the problem that would be wonderful PS the crash log says something about the cosmoteer.rules file failing aparently but opening with no mods mode works

[jovial isle]

Send the log.

[shadow bone]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2891248440&searchtext=turret this

I managed to fix the mod and can give you the modified version if u want

[coarse sandal]

that would be wonderful

[quartz girder]

Can I see a turret version of the mining laser? :p

[verbal sundial]

You need it for Pottermost? 😛

[shadow bone]

replace this rules in its relevant folder in the "shots" folder

[quartz girder]

Word

[coarse sandal]

oh my god im talking with the friend rn and aparently he dident have this mod and aparently thats why it worked for him and not me im booting it up without that mod now, it was the mod now my game

[tame wasp]

I dont think this should happen?

[hazy harbor]

I feel safer diving into the sun zone while tanking 256 ion emitters for the same duration. crossing a single triangle grid of this thing destroyed 90% of my thrusters in under 20 seconds
It feels wrong that this stuff bypasses shields. With no defenses and the massive damage, its a pure "Never go there" zone similar to diving directly inside the sun

120x120 grid ship designed to tank

[knotty elk]

the point of ion storms is to act as "terrain" you dont go into

[hazy harbor]

gotcha. I wasnt sure if it was that or if there could be some faction specialized in fighting from within it.

[livid sundial]

they bypass shields?

might be abug

[hazy harbor]

as if they dont exist

I was in the field for half a second before my first engine exploded. the entire ship has shield coverage

very strange pathing for that cloud. as if it couldnt choose to avoid it or not. it definitely avoided the ion cloud

[stone grail]

skill issue

[hazy harbor]

seems oddly consistant. is this cloud supposed to make my ship angle weird?

[nocturne scarab]

I think it is intentional

Wait when i think about it, does it work with small shields? If so that definitively not intentional xd

[hazy harbor]

Math seems wrong here?
8 ion emitters consume 10 power per second
LR 13.5 reduced to 80% should still have 10.8

Is the 75% energy weapon buff also increasing their power drain?

unsure if the collision avoidance should be avoiding electron cloud or gaseous cloud. Suspect this should be player preference as these 2 types are changing battle zone conditions rather than crippling ship. auto avoiding these areas would negatively impact ships that want to fight inside them

[tame wasp]

how can that be intentional? It went straight through the shield

[tame wasp]

not reduced to 80%. Reduced by 80%

[quartz girder]

I think it would be cool if we saw autofire ion arrays that are optimized to work in electron clouds.

Poor one large reactor can only power 2 beams now.

[hazy harbor]

ah... that is way more extreme than I thought it was. honestly I kind of wanted it to be reduced by 20% instead just to create different battlefield conditions that favor different ship designs

this does that too, but far more crippling

[nocturne scarab]

According to the wording of the patchnote i am lead to think the shield emitter took damage. But when i'm looking at your gif it's the crew room that get hit. Likely because you are spinning?

[hazy harbor]

its not because spinning. my MRT nozzle was destroyed in the first second while the shield that should have protected it did nothing

[nocturne scarab]

Strange

[tame wasp]

even the emitter shouldnt take damage

[hazy harbor]

having a hard time seeing where the edge starts if it is supposed to match the triangle grid. The edge position visually changes based on zoom. its far more pronounced ingame than the gif shows. the edge changes more than the width of my 120x120 sized ship

[quartz girder]

Since when did the grid become triangular?

[nocturne scarab]

I don't see why it would work but inconsistently

[hazy harbor]

The red area will melt the faces off your crew members before you can turn the ship around. would sure be dangerous if you were suddenly colorblind

[nocturne scarab]

I think the projectiles have a chance to phase through shields

let me check the game files

[livid sundial]

the grid was always triangular for nebulas

[livid sundial]

the position changes based on zoom so the edges are easier to see at closer zooms

[hazy harbor]

map field zone grids are different from build grids

[quartz girder]

I see.

[hazy harbor]

WHOAAAA. the effect is incredible if you mix the clouds and zoom out

[livid sundial]

that was a complaint beforehand

[livid sundial]

[hazy harbor]

I think I like it. that looks AMAZING

seeing the edge's start will be easier when you get used to playing with it. I figured I should give any useful feedback I found. Devs make good choices while informed

[nocturne scarab]

Nevermind i couldn't find anything

[livid sundial]

yeah i think its a bug

[tame wasp]

I think the lighting spawns behind the shield

[quartz girder]

---

Woaah, a mesh of all the nebulas looks nice.
I was expecting more orange from the mergure of red and yellow though.

[dire owl]

Maybe due to the spinning? A save file would be helpful.

[dire owl]

If the ion lightning is bypassing shields then that's a bug and I'd appreciate a saved game.

[dire owl]

The edge doesn't match the triangle grid.

[modern quail]

Ion bypasses even when standing still

[hazy harbor]

Here is save file. Screen shot shows an example of a bolt going through one shield to instead damage the shield behind it.
My ship size also shows some of how this works as only the front end of my ship is inside the cloud, yet the rearmost point can take hits from the debuff

another example

that last one confuses me. the bolt ignores at least 4 shields. I assume penetrated another. and did damage to an armor block that doesnt perfectly align with the angle of the beam. it should have hit the armor to the right

that misaligned damage vs the graphic is common. should be in the same save file

I continue to stare at this trying to convert corridor into used space, but I cant move the thrusters or ions. Walt made an effective auto puzzle generator. the harder I compress, the more challenging it becomes.

[cold burrow]

*air logistics ad here*

[dense yew]

XD, try to move ion around shields, you might have little hole in shields, since shields are visually bigger than their hitbox

[jovial isle]

:(

@waltuh FIX THIS

[quartz girder]

Are you, yes, YOU, tired from how shitty your ship is? With all its disgusting inneficiencies and putrid flaws? Well you have come to the right place, because Air's Logistics is here to spice up your floating powdercan into a truly impeccable creation! Extra walkways and storages? GONE! Reactors? SQUEEZED! Aesthetical elements? PURGED! We don't need those dragging your vessel down do ya?

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[humble depot]

Ive tried everything, but my ammo factories are not producing any ammo. The animation is runnig, but there is no ammo coming out.

can anybody help please?

[jovial isle]

ss?

[quartz girder]

Small shield?

[humble depot]

?

im sorry what?

[humble depot]

ok i think i fixed t

*it

[jovial isle]

screenshot

[quartz girder]

You could've just said the word, acronym ss is coined by small shield.

[glacial mauve]

Ayo where the hell did them Barracks come from? Are those legit?

[livid sundial]

yes

[glacial mauve]

Sick!

[jovial isle]

sshield

[stone grail]

ss is universally screenshot

[last oyster]

even better check pins for a meme that walt made about them

[coarse sandal]

Walt: i give you SPACE CLOUDS
The Community: Walt come over here and look at these new beds

[quartz girder]

Not here in the Cosminsane asylum architect and commander :D

[dire owl]

Fixed for the next build, thanks for the save!

[merry crag]

gas cloud vfx could do with being denser and thicker

background's very visible through it

[livid sundial]

i think that's good

i think opaque clouds would be too much

[neon moth]

are the barracks and bug fixes going to get added to stable soon?

[dire owl]

This should be fixed in the next nebula build.

[dire owl]

Are there any specific fixes you're waiting for?

[neon moth]

ion prism aiming

[merry crag]

it's just a bit weird that a ship just poofs out of vision but the background nebula shines like heaven through it

[sour marten]

This meme is how I learnt that there are barracks now

[jovial isle]

if I'm in a nebula cloud or storm I want to be fully engulfed in it.

[mint crown]

it would be pretty interesting to have the ability move the clouds around

or just affect its shape in some way while in a ship

[livid sundial]

that's less "terrain that is about strategy" and more "terraforming for no reason" methinks

[dire owl]

This seems playable.

[slender wyvern]

just name it a red supergiant star system at that point

[last oyster]

rare chance of it spawining

[livid sundial]

no feathering + max density is concerning

hmmm unusually smooth

[knotty elk]

Sol system

[merry crag]

the throngling system

[civic fable]

what if the boundaries of systems had less drag? like there's probably more matter near the star because gravity

or you could make up some weird reason to have to opposite effect so that there is more of a border that encompasses the system

[balmy cove]

now add spagetti highways going between each point of interest!

[hazy harbor]

why do i feel like the gas cloaking clouds are actually the most dangerous part of that?

escaped the red death ooz to find all the pirates at point blank range

[little summit]

As they should.

[merry crag]

'ah, finally, safety'

'wait why are there 8 railguns pointed at me-'

[left rain]

it'd be really interesting if there was some sort of secondary algorithm that generated like this and then carved paths into it between points of interest

could be used for a new kind of system

[frozen gale]

lowkey would be kinda funny if this was a thing. especially since it would kinda check out, considering how non-dense red supergiants are

[nocturne scarab]

This place is where i would put my station. I have deep insecurity issues

[tame wasp]

Would be cool if ships only partially in an ion storm would only receive attacks from the storm-covered side

[verbal sundial]

That sounds like a pathfinding nightmare xD

[neon moth]

this should be fixed

if a ship or asteroid is being damaged it should be visible

[frozen gale]

adding to this, I wouldn't mind green supergiants and white/blue supergiants either

[slender wyvern]

name the blue ones nebula's or inactive supernova remnants

[dire owl]

Do you not control the ship that's shooting? Because if you did then wouldn't that be close enough to see it?

[neon moth]

not controlling shooting ship

[nocturne scarab]

Oh i assume it's just the view from being outside the nebula

I don't think it need to be fixed. It is good at it is.

[neon moth]

it looks really dumb

[vital oxide]

I’ll point out that locking ships are kinda silly in gaseous clouds too

Especially when only one part has weapons

[livid sundial]

propose a solution

[nocturne scarab]

Making all ships appear in a radius of those are shooting could work.

[merry crag]

just making vision a radius around shooting, that decays over time, would be good

possibly dependent on the size and amount of weapons fired

[dire owl]

@everyone New preview build! (VFX are still work-in-progress.)

• Ion lightning strikes now do half the damage but are twice as common.
• Fixed ion lightning strikes often bypassing shields.
• Fixed ion lightning appearing to strike slightly off-target when hitting moving ships.
• Ion lightning strikes will no longer ever originate inside another ship.
• Ion Storm lightning strike VFX now renders even if Fancy VFX is off.
• The gaseous cloud symbol now has a small eye icon within it that indicates whether the ship is fully hidden within the cloud.
• Improved ship navigation around nebulas. Should reduce/eliminate accidental straying inside of nebulas.
• Fixed ships not being able to navigate through narrow nebula passages.
• Fixed bug that was causing ships to jitter near nebulas.
• Reverted "A ship being inside a particular type of nebula will no longer cause it to ignore that type of nebula when pathfinding around nebulas."
• It is no longer possible for Ion Storms to be generated in such a way that they cut off areas of the map in Career mode.
• Fixed rare asteroids spawning incorrectly in binary sun damage zones.
• The center of supernova aftermath systems now have a big ion storm filled with rare asteroids, if you can somehow manage to get them.
• More fixes/tweaks/features that will be in in the next RC but I'm too lazy to writeup.

[summer palm]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[frozen gale]

yoo!

[summer palm]

thank you for fixing the bypassing bug Walt :D

[last oyster]

yee bug fix

[whole cobalt]

Engineers

how do we retrieve riches from ion storms

[left rain]

so no more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240477727597920357/1251474441792262215/2024-06-15_02_52_25.gif

?

[whole cobalt]

We need to make a contest

[mint crown]

It is no longer possible for Ion Storms to be generated in such a way that they cut off areas of the map in Career mode.
aww man

there goes my dreams of shoving stations into cut off sections of Ion storms

[hazy harbor]

whoaaa that feels like a storm now

I dont remember that wave before

ah. it was likely me only observing at 1/8 speed

is there a reason navigate around clouds and storms cannot be turned on while having avoid ships off?

[last oyster]

probibly a modified sundiver

sheilds on all sides insetd of just the front

[hazy harbor]

not sure it would be the same concept at all. sundivers try to reduce the shield face areas to decrease incoming damage

[summer palm]

indeed

me and tapeable already made a blob that survives the ion storm

[dire owl]

technical reasons, though I can probably figure it out

[hazy harbor]

Save file hears the ion beam emitters of 2 ships far from the camera focus at a specific zoom level. suspect added this preview release.

zooming further in and out removes the ion emitter noise

[verbal sundial]

This preview version still crashes when using mods. Same error as ever
---> Halfling.ObjectText.OTNavigateException: Unable to find node at path "<./Data/modes/career/sysgen.rules>/Spawners".

[hazy harbor]

for everybody else. try that save file and zoom into the large shield bubble tanking the ion storm for the funniest balloon pop noises at 8x speed ever

[verbal sundial]

Is this path gonna be definitive btw or is this going to be changed back to the now default position?

[hazy harbor]

successful ion diver.
concept is shields on all sides while reducing the total ship profile.
Larger ship profile results in more places the ion hits the ship. it still eats my shield covered flagship in seconds lol

damage is definitely slower than before. most likely because it is not skipping past shields anymore.
ion lightning accurately hits where they display YAY.

feels actually possible to defend against, while heavily discouraging entry. I like this way more than previous version

[tired yarrow]

IIRC there are omni-directional sundivers

[tranquil mountain]

heavy shielding and also some tractor beams

[little summit]

this will be the elim meta in 2021

[foggy berry]

got an error while testing the new damage ion storm. only mods i have are the large crews and huge ships mods.

[lusty glacier]

HUGE fan of the resource collector remake

it makes it feel like a unique part rather than a copy of the tractor beam

the added crew speed buff is wonderful as well

[sour marten]

What changed?

[thin plume]

i do still like this idea.

[civic fable]

i think making everything accessible without having to go thru any storms works very well.. the pathing is also doing a lot better. so i think not being able to go to this ❔ is not unintended..?

like i would just have to go the long way

[frozen gale]

they done gone buffed the tracter beams

best update ever

[civic fable]

actually from that same position, this right most ❔ can't be directly piloted to

woah some ships just decided to kite each other into an ion storm

[frozen gale]

they can move absolute truckloads now

super awesome for economy ships, very big fan

[civic fable]

idk i should be able to go across this or not, but should definitely be able to go around..

yeah that's odd it can go through that gap but on certain rts commands it doesn't

[nocturne scarab]

🤤

OMG it can be used for trading!!!

[quartz girder]

Wait supernova aftermath? Damn, I think I should consider trying the prev build now.

[nocturne scarab]

Okay my only complain is that manipulator beam emitter buff stranded crew instead of salvaging

These arent my crew, they are the junk ship crew xd

[sour marten]

oh that's quite a significant change

[jovial isle]

wtf new item?

[nocturne scarab]

I thought the halved damage would hurt alot, but turn out it did so used to deal so much damage that it still one shot armor pieces. This is actually close to perfect in balance

They can no longer travel medium distances in nebulas

[sick dagger]

Me, who never applied the electron debuff to our SW shields

[jovial isle]

yall what is that????

[livid sundial]

whad thad FUCKd

GHAAAAH

[livid sundial]

you will be ended in cold blood

[jovial isle]

erm, what the sigma?
I do get not thine joke.

[livid sundial]

erm, what the COSMOTEER: STARSHIP ARCHITECT AND COMMANDER
A PERFECT GAME F-

they did not add the shield disabling behaivour to swacd shields

[shadow bone]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-11477089642801859131

[livid sundial]

my mind cant help but look at these preview images while being unable to play and instantly go "that looks ai" 😭

[shadow bone]

I thought u got a new pc?

[livid sundial]

yes?

i'm not unenployed or a school dropout i can't escape to play cosmoteer right now

[shadow bone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-simpsons-milhouse-school-exams-gif-14146094

isn't that all of us in school

[livid sundial]

but yeah this collector buff is like 4x buff like damm

5x kinda since crew buff

[shadow bone]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

makes sun mining so much easier

[sick dagger]

The debuff to shields (ion storms disabling them) got removed, I just never got to implementing it (less work for me lel)

[unreal summit]

Im playing career in multiplayer with a buddy but its severely bugged (the only mod is huge ships)

getting the save

I reloaded the game a couple of times already.

this keepss happening

It only happens on startup so

hmm

[sick dagger]

What's the issue tho? Losing all cargo?

[tame wasp]

Found a new way to shave armor of my spinner:

You can often reproduce this by pressing middle click while the ship is spinning. Idk how it works excactly

[civic fable]

or just press backspace

[tame wasp]

what does that do?

[neon moth]

lathe time

[tame wasp]

ok it happens when you middle click next to but not on a part

[civic fable]

reset rotation of camera

can't be focused on a ship so press like wasd or something

[tame wasp]

Idk what youre trying to say

Spinners still can not pick stuff up of repair 😢

[carmine sand]

IS THIS LEGIT?

[frozen gale]

Yeah!!

[nova kayak]

0.3 power allows this setup to exist

(ignore the medium reactors, nozzles and crs on the back they're there to test modules)

7 engine rooms per reactor

it's not easier to design after the buff, but it's definitely a buff

also, thank you for the 4s of base rampup, this is much better

[unreal summit]

I can see the asteroids identify enemys ext it only began today, it also happens to my friend

out of my view range

(This is Career tho)

[glacial mauve]

Did MRT get nerfed in the last month or two? I feel like my main freighters speed got halved.

[nova kayak]

not since mrt release candidate

[glacial mauve]

Hmmm weird. Thanks

[nova kayak]

this is another viable module

less efficient than the last one but it allows to extract a bit of power from reactor

[livid sundial]

Chaingun tween speed was buffed

explosive charge costs reduced

they nerfed mining bean rotataion

(AND MADE THEY ROTATE)

[livid sundial]

MRT got buffed

this preview

ramp up and power use though

[last oyster]

so... do they turn faster or slower?

[verbal sundial]

What is chaingun tween speed?

[verbal sundial]

Probably slower, since faster turret rotation is better

[dire owl]

FYI, the latest nebula preview has a pretty bad bug that's causing things to become visible much sooner than intended, and probably other issues as well.

Will be fixed in the next preview.

[livid sundial]

turn slower but does not lock in

[livid sundial]

time it takes to come out of defense armor

[dire owl]

Were you using resource collectors manipulator beams?

[foggy berry]

actually yes i was, but when i went to test out what crashed me they wernt causing issues?

[dire owl]

okay, if you find a way to reproduce the crash, please let me know

[foggy berry]

ofc

[verbal sundial]

Energy use was halved though, which is a clear buff as mining lasers were always energy hogs

[livid sundial]

scary

[knotty elk]

Ok but the real question is can the resourse tractorbeam be used to push enemy crew away from their ship lol

[livid sundial]

these changes are wack

[summer palm]

mining laser meta when

[livid sundial]

dps lost

[summer palm]

wdym

was it nerfed?

[livid sundial]

iirc heah

exept when salvaging

[verbal sundial]

I saw it was changed, but not what to.

I think having mining laser focus on actual mining is a good thing, if only because salvaging live enemies also made them drop more resources.

[livid sundial]

they do

well

they drop the same resources as if theyre dead

[verbal sundial]

Nuke parts factory has higher energy storage now (4 to 6)

[verbal sundial]

They will drop more resources if you kill them with mining laser than with weapons that are supposed to be used to kill them.

[livid sundial]

oh sorry i thought you said "what if"

yeah

they will deal reduced damage now so thats something important

[verbal sundial]

I hope all these and other changes won't break too many mods lol

[livid sundial]

they will

resource collector file name change

oh no i dont think i have the files

uhhh

local copy time

[hazy harbor]

notable changes I found so far.

Mining laser pvp dps 1/2. dont remember the other stats
Laser blasters(both types) dps buff.
boost thruster's boost mode now stronger than a huge thruster
MRT base ramp 6 -> 4. Base power 0.4 - > 0.3. I will be messing with this later to see if it flickers, seemed better but still flickered in my quick check.
resource collector Manipulator beam stats look significantly improved. havent tested it yet

Liking these changes

[neon moth]

found a bug

[foggy berry]

manipulator beam also affects crew speed when outside of the ship

thats a huge one

[nova kayak]

mining laser nerf lmao

this was obviously op in pvp

(joking)

[ionic drift]

Why did the mining laser get nerfed smh

[livid sundial]

it got buffed

exept on dps

against enemies

it deals more dps against armor just like crew and if its junk

[ionic drift]

Ohh

So less PvP oriented

Fair enough

[livid sundial]

it can rotate while firing now. thast cool

[ionic drift]

Oh sweet

[livid sundial]

i'll have to test later, cant rn

[foggy berry]

oh wait it can?

finally

this is amazing

[quartz girder]

That's AWESOME

[foggy berry]

probably the best update ever

[livid sundial]

nah that was the update where ion beams had bullets for ammo

[turbid vessel]

Is that what is causing asteroid element symbols and ship outlines to be visible as soon as they come in radar range? I wasn't sure if that was a bug or not, since I'd already explored the whole system. If this is a known issue, then I won't submit a bug report.

[bold scroll]

Not so much the name changes (unless you are pointing to vanilla of course) only thing that caused issues was the crew and battery “PRIORITY/resource_collector” (don’t quote me on that) changing to “/manipulator” (don’t quote me on that either) that caused some pain. Was easy enough to fix last night though

[livid sundial]

i need to get the sprites from your repo raaaugh

because mine used direct references

[bold scroll]

That’s why it’s there for ya 🥰

[livid sundial]

depression

[bold scroll]

Oh haha yeahhh that will break things. Womp womp

[livid sundial]

right, downloaders dont download off these repos

[bold scroll]

Ooph yep. Got yourself a problem right there

[livid sundial]

i could just revert steam ver to stable

[bold scroll]

Oh haha yeah. That works. I forget stable even exists sometimes

Also. I think I added in the shield debuff a while back. Is skipperwrath gonna eat my lunch again?

[shadow bone]

just change the address to emitter manipulator

seems to work after that

[livid sundial]

i use sprites from it

that option is unavailible

dw about it

[shut oasis]

Wow the Clouds & Storms update is obv going into great detail adding incredibly much to the game!
I tested it only briefly, but will be starting a new career once it is out.
Adding more and more to the singelplayer mode motivates me to build more Singleplayer Career Vessels but also less Ships for PVP. So technically i'm in a PVP to SP Transition currently.

Feeling honored that my vessel is used for testing and presentation.
Shamelessly giving myself credit for the ship build.
It is a "youngtimer build" pre hyperdrive update so it still utilizes small hyperdirves. Career version of a PVP vessel actuallky.

Hope this isn't too much offtopic,
Have fun 😺

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