eg I was setting up raspberry pi os the other day
#1.21 Snapshots
red sigil
digital scaffold
Most things show mm/dd/yyyy because I'm in America, but my settings are all yyyy-mm-dd
red sigil
and the region settings didn't let me choose separate options for date format and time format
and number format
austere ocean
aaaaaaany second now
viscid crane
I just recently reworked my shader system to bake expressions relying on dynamic values into custom bytecode and interpret it on a gpu driven simd interpreter, which then populates a cbuffer and have a static shader read it
Bam, consistent input format and dynamic value support
weary moon
Rule 5 is make sure Tree Generation has been changed within the last 6 months
viscid crane
And highly performant too
digital scaffold
I want to see which bets are off 🙃
viscid crane
Still gotta rework it to make use of mesh shaders though
Instead of a traditional vertex pipeline
I am one of the masochists that love rendering
austere ocean
there's a "window of correctness", actually; at any given point in time a maximum of two bets are closest to it
so I could add a "if release happened now these people would win" display
digital scaffold
Wait, multiple winners?
austere ocean
no, only one will win
oldest bet always takes priority
lemme see if I can implement that
lone tree
Is it still possible to do weird stuff in the new vertex system?
like undersized quads
light arrow
hey gegy could you guys release in 16 minutes so I win the release bet /s /j
agile canyon
like undersized quads
I have no idea what this term means
lone tree
like baked quads with less than 32 entries
digital scaffold
Is Sweden +1 or +2 atm?
lone tree
+2
light arrow
yea it's currently 16:28
lone tree
Like France
opal niche
20 minutes on my bet, please Mojang xD
austere ocean
why is jinja not behaving 
hard ivy
imagine if they got wind of us doing this betting thing, and are rigging it /jk
crystal umbra
~~imagine if they got wind of us doing this betting thing, and are rigging it /j...
Did any mojang employee place a bet?
lone tree
Note: Minecraft 1.21 will probably be released between 5pm and 7pm, as this is Mojira's maintenance period.
red sigil
Did any mojang employee place a bet?
I don't believe so :P (times in UTC, you do your own conversions)
austere ocean
oop, just caught a bug: seems like I was prioritizing newest instead of oldest
digital scaffold
Good catch
austere ocean
that should now be fixed
and now the person with the closest bet gets a green timestamp
if release were to happen Right Now, schurli would win
austere ocean
oop, just caught a bug: seems like I was prioritizing newest instead of oldest
apparently my mental idea of "ascending" and "descending" was wrong :p
digital scaffold
You should get a bot added here so you can read nicknames and roles
Roles so you can prevent Problem Causers from placing bets
And you could add the winning role automatically too
austere ocean
they're not gonna let me do that lmao
at best I'll get a webhook
sci's already said, and I agree, that the role handing out should be done manually
as for nicks and roles, I could probably read those with an additional oauth scope
might look into it later
light arrow
(you can PR to Camelot)
austere ocean
for what :p
digital scaffold
The rest could be automated with a bot though. The needed permissions would be very minimal (default perms only)
digital scaffold
(you can PR to Camelot)
Does that have an HTTP API already?
digital scaffold
Because reading nicknames off it would require an API
light arrow
Does that have an HTTP API already?
it can at least read (aka send get requests) afaik
austere ocean
Because reading nicknames off it would require an API
like I said, I'm fairly sure I could do this with an additional oauth scope
digital scaffold
I doubt it tbh
digital scaffold
That would allow you to read nicknames and roles for a user on every server their in
obsidian tide
where?
austere ocean
That would allow you to read nicknames and roles for a user on every server thei...
that is correct, which is why I'm not doing it right now
austere ocean
where?
removed it and replaced it with the single green one, since that's more informative
I swear I turned ping off
digital scaffold
The green's not there for me
light arrow
c'mon release now
austere ocean
?????????? why did the green move to that other person
it should still be on schurli
digital scaffold
Have you not pushed that yet?
light arrow
?????????? why did the green move to that other person
nope 16:52:30
the exact mid point
lone tree
wait 17:00:00
austere ocean
nope 16:52:30
it briefly moved to gravyboat
digital scaffold
Why can everybody else see this green indicator?
obsidian tide
I still don't see what you mean
unreal timber
looks fine to me
digital scaffold
Everybody but me and you ig
lone tree
nope
Maintenance break (13.06.2024) from 17:00-19:00 CET. Bug tracker will be unavailable during the Maintenance break.
austere ocean
ugh, being lazy with my sorting is biting me in the ass
viscid crane
Me when I make a fancy trailer announcing the release, and then don't release it
A decent amount of tomfoolery
obsidian tide
good thing firefox has a disable cache button
digital scaffold
There, it's on CDA
unreal timber
it's gonna come out at 11:59 in the last timezone that is still Jun 13th
digital scaffold
I've gotten called CDA at least 3 times, fun fact
obsidian tide
it's gonna come out at 11:59 in the last timezone that is still Jun 13th
so near sci
opal niche
Its unlikely itll be me unless they are legit hitting the button right now 😄
unreal timber
sci was a day too early
red sigil
likely to release in 3-10 minutes
obsidian tide
I too, because it changed it back
red sigil
either that or an hour more :P
austere ocean
I may have to manually override the winner, since there's another bug and it's gonna take me a bit to fix
digital scaffold
Can you please add an option to sort by time bet on?
austere ocean
nothing like seat-of-my-pants hotfixes in production :3
opal niche
Well, there's been no #mojira activity, so id be surprised if that was it
digital scaffold
It's involved
(you have to go to cache settings and delete the cache manually, then refresh)
opal niche
Then again, not surprised at the same time, because that would be something mojang would do day of
After not doing an rc2
unreal timber
I may have to manually override the winner, since there's another bug and it's g...
while you're at it give me my credit for RC1 lol
light arrow
ginger be sure to check when people made the bets so nobody who made the bet after mojang workday started today wins
austere ocean
everyone's a critic
light arrow
while you're at it give me my credit for RC1 lol
you have the f*ing role
austere ocean
I have a solution; it's extremely cursed, but it should work
digital scaffold
everyone's a critic
Your site's great
unreal timber
you have the f*ing role
for now. in a few minutes It will only be a memory
weary moon
you have the f*ing role
austere ocean
Your site's great
thanks :D
light arrow
I think it's gonna be CDAGaming
austere ocean
ginger be sure to check when people made the bets so nobody who made the bet aft...
when, exactly, did the workday start :p
digital scaffold
I think it's gonna be CDAGaming
It's already too late for him
weary moon
Poke Sci to make a "Previous Snapshot Guesser Champion"
weary moon
:P
opal niche
Yee, its already too late for me I think
light arrow
It's already too late for him
nope that bet was made in the last few minutes
digital scaffold
Oh hey, it is out
opal niche
Oh o.o
weary moon
<@&1067092163520909374>
1.21
https://mdcfe.dev/mc-changes?ver=1.21
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-java-edition-1-21
austere ocean
oop
obsidian tide
https://piston-meta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest.json
why not v2?
twilit slate
crimson hazel
There is v2?
digital scaffold
When does the site poll for releases?
odd flare
Fuck I missed it by 2 hours
obsidian tide
# 1.21-RELEASE
https://piston-meta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest.json
ht...
none
light arrow
and with this I'm locking the channel
austere ocean
okay, t-minus one minute until the winner check runs
red sigil
jagged stag
and with this I'm locking the channel
wha, wait a second, we still need a release
odd flare
Why locking it 
red sigil
that implies the release has been built since 10:24 CEST
odd flare
Justbtename
red sigil
6.5 hours ago lol
lone tree
https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-273281?jql=(assignee is not EMPTY AND project %3D MC AND "Confirmation Status" !%3D Unconfirmed AND resolution %3D Unresolved )AND fixVersion is EMPTY A list of all the bugs that will be fixed in a future version
austere ocean
uhhhhh
light arrow
wha, wait a second, we still need a release
doesn't the webhook have higher perms than @everyone
alpine pelicanBOT
New version detected: 1.21.
digital scaffold
Wouldn't be opposed
austere ocean
I should prooooobably note that the site uses the release time to calculate a winner
frozen jetty
just happened lol
austere ocean
so. yeah
opal niche
bruuuuh xD
alpine pelicanBOT
New version detected: 1.21.
jagged stag
it's so random
austere ocean
it should've seen the release by now
light arrow
bruuuuh xD
you won that bet was made after the mojang workday today started
austere ocean
hang on, I think something's broken...
austere ocean
you won that bet was made after the mojang workday today started
why are you so insistent on this?? I don't understand what the point is
median agate
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-java-edition-1-21
ITS HERE
opal niche
you won that bet was made after the mojang workday today started
Ah nice, yippee 😄
fast lotus
light arrow
why are you so insistent on this?? I don't understand what the point is
so nobody does any last minute betting just minutes before it actually releases
digital scaffold
Which is what happened here
alpine pelicanBOT
opal niche
Good bot 😄
digital scaffold
Well an rc is literally a candidate to be a release
austere ocean
so nobody does any last minute betting just minutes before it actually releases
I can't say I understand why that's a bad thing
it's also going to suck to implement because the site doesn't know when release day is
I would have to manually key in a lockout time, and I don't want to do that
unreal timber
why are you so insistent on this?? I don't understand what the point is
unlike any other release we know what day the release is coming, so it's unfair except to people who wait to vote. I could in theory wait until it's released then put my vote in at the exact minute and win on a technicality
viscid crane
Any changes not present in the RCs?
austere ocean
or retroactively disqualify bets
lone tree
Any changes not present in the RCs?
no
fast lotus
Old screenshot (wrong channel :()
weary moon
that doesn't look good https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/actions/runs/9502090963/job/26189261161
austere ocean
or retroactively disqualify bets
this I can and probably will do, at least for ten minutes around the release time or so
light arrow
1.21 is out go to #general or #squirrels-🦊 for general discussion about it, to #modder-1․21․1-support for support for modding it and #neoforge-github for bugs
jagged stag
<:thonk:932605815221788672> that doesn't look good <https://github.com/neoforged...
hmm, i cancelled it
christ schruli wait a damn second, we haven't even released yet
why are you so excited to lock the thread
weary moon
also Peter making a new thread already
light arrow
we don't need the snapshot discussion thread when we have a released version
frozen jetty
my brother in christ hold it up until release LMAO
jagged stag
<:thonk:932605815221788672> that doesn't look good <https://github.com/neoforged...
@hard ivy you may want to check this 
weary moon
we don't need the snapshot discussion thread when we have a released version
We still use the thread for finalizing the port
twilit slate
hey I like making threads
And I didn't lock this
weary moon
Once the 1.21 PR is merged/released would be the point in time to lock this
twilit slate
the pattern so far was to use the snapshot thread until we are out from kits and have it re-based to the latest decomp
jagged stag
while neoform is doing i'll go update the blog post and remove the mention of enum extensions
light arrow
while neoform is doing i'll go update the blog post and remove the mention of en...
why?
jagged stag
cause they aren't merged?
twilit slate
The snapshot thread will be locked when we have a neoforge for this release
that is how we did it last time
jagged stag
yes, that's why i don't see why schurli was so insistent on locking it, feels more like wanting to do something for the sake of procedure 😛
i love the waiting stage of the process
twilit slate
we do have snow at least now
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/52ba843fed609963cfc897f777d0e7da6fcc360e
Also added it to the pinned message
austere ocean
lo, #1250829990195626115
jagged stag
why's that thread in #general
weary moon
we do have snow at least now
https://github.com/neoforged/Snowman/commit/52ba843...
why did that push, Maty cancelled the Action
jagged stag
neoform failed
weary moon
Also at dev branch not having a similar commit
weary moon
<:screm:980923567833219093> neoform failed
jagged stag
one comp error? really?
agile canyon
No code changes, so primer is now public: https://gist.github.com/ChampionAsh5357/d895a7b1a34341e19c80870720f9880f
weary moon
J22 failing
jagged stag
<:thonk:932605815221788672> why did that push, Maty cancelled the Action
that's the release branch
jagged stag
are there seriously no code changes?
agile canyon
Excluding the version bumps, yes
odd flare
we don't need the snapshot discussion thread when we have a released version
why not just rename the thread
jagged stag
what on earth then
odd flare
or is discord dumb enough that it can't be done
weary moon
that's the release branch
Which was the Action you cancelled, think it managed to finish and push just before you cancelled it
jagged stag
i don't understand how the release is failing but the rc isn't
ionic aurora
are there seriously no code changes?
nothing more than these
weary moon
i don't understand how the release is failing but the rc isn't
pulled in a newer build of J22?
agile canyon
Isn't 1.21 using J21?
hard ivy
<@607058472709652501> you may want to check this <:thinkies:980924387333115914>
what do you mean
weary moon
Isn't 1.21 using J21?
We build neoform on multiple JDKs
agile canyon
Ah
hard ivy
alright, @austere ocean who's getting the role
hard ivy
jagged stag
starting the local decomp for the port
heavy canopy
I can, but I'm also on mobile so it'll take me a bit :p
around 4pm (cest) so if you decide to give it to someone else I would completely understand that
hard ivy
I think, because you made the bet so close to the time when a good portion of bets were made, it would be slightly unfair to those who bet in advance
anyone have any other opinions?
agile canyon
Since we didn't establish any rules beforehand, I think it's fine
austere ocean
it's just a role :p
opal niche
Personally, it does feel a bit unfair, but if Ginger says the bet was made like hours ago rather then same time as bot,
then that's fair enough 😄
weary moon
Give it to both
agile canyon
However, bets on the day of should not count in the future
hard ivy
the only rule I had established was no insider info
opal niche
However, bets on the day of should not count in the future
Also agreed with this, if we know the exact date, then bets should be blocked on said date
weary moon
Just make sure the rules on when betting is allowed are clearer for future
jagged stag
well we also don't know the date of most of the releases
majors are the only days we know the date of
heavy canopy
Also agreed with this, if we know the exact date, then bets should be blocked on...
yeah that seems fair enough
austere ocean
{ _id: ObjectId('666b0125088240ce0e7dbaa0'), bet: ISODate('2024-06-13T15:03:00.000Z'), created: ISODate('2024-06-13T14:24:37.530Z'), release: null, user: Long('336764548017291265') }
there's your answer
agile canyon
well we also don't know the date of most of the releases
Yeah, but usually it's wednesday
austere ocean
that looks borked lol
jagged stag
Yeah, but usually it's wednesday
they have not had such a consistent track record recently
after all it's betting
opal niche
For snapshots up to release candidates, sure we dont know the date with absolute certainty -- but for most of MCs releases, they have always given a date
And yeah that does look borked
austere ocean
created: ISODate('2024-06-13T15:16:47.662Z'),
that's the important bit
opal niche
they have not had such a consistent track record recently
Especially with timings, as they've been doing releases much earlier in the morning this time around
austere ocean
but y'all are, imo, taking this far too seriously :p
it's just a role
jagged stag
why on earth did NG make me download 5 minutes of assets
i already had them downloaded
austere ocean
I'm going to make the backend disqualify bets placed within three hours of when the release is detected (and add a note to that effect to the site)
is this acceptable :p
hard ivy
that sounds fine to me
opal niche
^^
hard ivy
do we apply that retroactively
austere ocean
hard ivy
eh. I'll lean towards lenience and give em the role anyway
austere ocean
hooray!
opal niche
Yippee
heavy canopy
austere ocean
give me a few hours and I'll have the site unborked, reality keeps interrupting me
jagged stag
waiting on decomp is so boring
opal niche
Also, I'll mention for CF authors: CF staff is adding in the 1.21 label for you guys, give them a bit and It'll be there 😄
austere ocean
can't say I didn't expect it to break, at least
remote void
waiting on decomp is so boring
I can delete the Neo repo to make things exciting for you
austere ocean
would adding a leaderboard be a bad idea :3c
opal niche
would adding a leaderboard be a bad idea :3c
I believe I suggested that a few days ago, for the amount of times being correct, or for a general accuracy rating system 😄
hard ivy
give me a few hours and I'll have the site unborked, reality keeps interrupting ...
no rush
anyway, it's nearing midnight for me, so I might go to bed within the next hour or so
jagged stag
decomp done
pushed update to port branch, let's see if it builds
#neoforge-github message can someone else test this
mighty prawnBOT
jagged stag
CI finished running on Java 21
protections lifted
branch pushed
tag pushed, branch made default
(re)starting build
lol
i accidentally pressed delete in #builds
instead of copy link
eh, it's fine™️
fresh releases take a while
frozen jetty
f5 goes really hard
frozen jetty
well its cool that neo keeps its pase with the version release, i think that everyone likes that
jagged stag
habemus 21.0.0-beta
frozen jetty
now lets wait for stable #1
digital scaffold
You might be waiting a month
lone tree
close the thread
jagged stag
there's a note on stability in the blog post
so yes it'll probably be a month or longer
but not shorter than a month
charred token
Has anyone tried making the main page on the website list the latest Neo of each MC version instead of just the latest and legacy?
jagged stag
Has anyone tried making the main page on the website list the latest Neo of each...
well, we always have https://projects.neoforged.net/neoforged/neoforge
charred token
On that page yes, but I mean the regular non-projects. homepage thing
e.g. something like this:
red sigil
makes no sense to have 1.20.2/.4/.6 there
almost no one will be using them starting today :P
charred token
Fair. Mainly trying to think what a decent way could be to quickly access the latest of each MC verison without having to fiddle around with dropdowns that aren't on the main page.
remote void
Question, why can’t we stick a drop-down selector there?
And you select the Mc version and the orange buttons switches to that version’s downloads
Drop-down is on latest by default
charred token
Hmm, that could be interesting
muted oar
almost no one will be using them starting today :P
mods may take some time to update, which could keep people on .6 for a bit
jagged stag
i really hate the redundancy, if you want to manually download a non latest, you just need to click here
charred token
Hmm, maybe I'm just feeling strange about Other Versions being below the legacy version considering they're newer than the legacy one
modest helm
I love how quick this release was. Feels great to have my mods all updated already.
true totem
so how long do we have to continue making breaking changes like #1183818213134446742