Encounter Design Feedback Thread

[coarse pike]

thats

yea.

[glad kettle]

U slap a bridge down, trigger the spawner without having to face backwards like firm

And then leisurely blow up the elite safely

[fast grove]

disable loom in nadir and nadir alone. firm gameplay only

[restive flare]

I agree that the pit lacks incentive to clear but i also hate how a chest makes it obligatory to clear

[glad kettle]

Time to implement alternative forms of incentive

[jolly pawn]

i mean it does not make it obligatory you could just not get the chest

[glad kettle]

Implement non-cz functionality to treasure spawners, where they spawn a chest on break with reduced loot

[restive flare]

I mean... obviously? I know theres scenarios in which its totally optional (ie Yellow's void section)

But for R3 pois it's a bit different, usually people try to get the most loot out of one poi run

But maybe I am just too much of a loot goblin

[restive flare]

But this is funny

[coarse pike]

I have ignored the final slime chest in nadir before just because I dont want to deal with it

[restive flare]

Noob

[coarse pike]

rolling

[fast grove]

in the perfect world we could have a strike-like loot system for pois and have a chest there just give less loot to the pinata

[restive flare]

A treasure spawner that leaves behind a chest with some potions and moolah...

[ember pendant]

He's gonna enhance every mob to have double HP and double damage and three shields and Arcanist will become even worse and Harbinger will become even more meta

[ruby zenith]

hopefully this means that white rework comes with "delve" versions of all mobs like exalted (and exalted too gets this change)
and hopefully this means the more delve points that exist uhhh the more of these that show up
and uhh throw in more lava per delve point too

[ember pendant]

Oh yeah I should probably mention this

I personally think the Malfunctioning Circuitry elite in Fishing is absolutely unbearable and on harder difficulties (especially Monsoon) it is impossible to avoid damage from it sometimes

It is leagues harder than any of the other elites

[tame heart]

Btw, something important, mobs once were supposed to "return to their spawner" and reprime it in the case that they despawned, but they seem to do not anymore making deaths sometimes even a positive, and i feel like this is one of the big reasons why the current death system isn't the best, was that intentional or is it a bug?

[ruby zenith]

wasn't it that this got turned off because of "death looping" from when you used to drop your stuff

but yes despawns should one hundo reprime their spawner

[hallow radish]

its a bug then

Very prominent in like... all forms of content rn

[forest wedge]

I'm pretty sure repriming still works but only like 10% of the time

[ruby zenith]

it doesn't reprime around graves

[gray solstice]

Silvic Excavators (the ones that apply Mining Fatigue 2) are great ways to prevent spawner breaking BUT i think they should also apply a compensatory +25% (or whatever the inverse of mf2 is) attack speed buff to make melee classes okay against them

[coarse pike]

honestly we could port them to guarded maybe

[gray solstice]

i guess i foresee a strange edge case where Cleansing Rain cleanses the fatigue and not the attack speed but i don't. think it matters

porting to guarded is possible but i like the character of the mining fatigue aura

[graceful junco]

i recently played ex reverie on my new rogue build and castle was indeed NOT fun

or ig less fun then it usually is

[coarse pike]

has he considered placing torches to slow down spawners

[forest wedge]

people do that?

never in my life have I placed torches on spawners

[coarse pike]

god is dead

[gray solstice]

this part in Bewitched Dominion always felt weird to me because there's no incentive to go clear it

the left leads to a clearing with one skeleton spawner

the right leads to a ledge with a creeper spawner

but tmk there aren't chests

and neither spawner is in range to be a threat when clearing the lower part of the poi

[coarse pike]

just a consequence of bewitched being delegated as a linear poi

so that area was left under developed

theres several parts like that

[ruby zenith]

With or without pernicious

[ember pendant]

Only if you make glowstone work so I can use glowstone in my Firmament

[graceful junco]

i meant that in a 'playing rogue while under the effects on mining fatigue' way

as a class that relies on fully charged crits that was quite detrimental

[coarse pike]

makes total sense

I'd love to look into separating those when 1.20.5 rolls around

[forest wedge]

https://streamable.com/ipz3u6 @coarse pike I do not think one spawner should spawn 4 elites even with legionary 3

[coarse pike]

isnt that a double spawner

[forest wedge]

can the other 2 spawners spawn elites?

[coarse pike]

no

if im remembering right 2 of 3 are elite

[forest wedge]

why would you do that

[coarse pike]

I think frossoli did honestly, but I dont see anything wrong with a double there necessarily

[tame heart]

A feedback that's quite important i think, Spawners's spawn speed has not changed in like 8 years, while the game has gotten faster and faster and people have access to even better pickaxes, just think that this spawner speed was made for people that used to use torches, and now that's something long gone, probably spawners should be made faster to match up the game speed, and punish people that don't break/respect them

I never tought of it before but it became appearent to me while playing through the Ex reverie's castle

In R1 we used to back in the day either torch it up or rush the key, now in r3 i just ignored the spawners as the time for encounter is way shorter, and spawners didn't really spawn more mobs

[coarse pike]

yeah thats been a point on our mind since rc4 released

[ruby zenith]

Is rc4 specifically relevant or was that just a milestone you remember

[tame heart]

This is the same spawner speed made for stone efficency 2/3 pickaxes xD

[coarse pike]

The contrast in spawner ranges / timing between even some r1 content and early rc4 with r3 is nuts

[ruby zenith]

Oh

[coarse pike]

Some of the new zenner & skr rooms have lower ish spawner times generally but unlikely low enough to make a lasting impact outside of a handful of encounters

[forest wedge]

elite spawners have like 10 years of respawn time

[coarse pike]

its when we realized “wow the spawners we just placed in the last month are kind of abysmal garbage”

[gray solstice]

(1.5 min)

[ruby zenith]

The most neutered spawners though have to be in that light gray cathedral upper catwalks. You can mine the spawner on some before you are in spawn range

[gray solstice]

yeah i found that for most encounters in r3 overworld the spawners don’t really pose any sort of threat of respawning mobs unless you play really really slowly

[coarse pike]

those are low, then theres some really bad ones in pre-release zenith charging rooms

and some post release build shard rooms

[prisma flower]

What It's Literally 2 Melees And The Elite There

ChargingUv You Placed The Elite Spawner With Regular Spawner Stats Including A Count Of 4

[ruby zenith]

holy. based.

[coarse pike]

lmao

[jolly pawn]

Finally, good design.

Actually, there’s a double elite spawner in Ramparts that spawned 3 elites(4 total) for me

By the chest and both of them are trapped?

It was the one on the left. Can that be double checked?

[coarse pike]

omw

[coarse pike]

this, yeah?

[jolly pawn]

Yea

[coarse pike]

yeah the elite on the left has a spawn count of 1

[jolly pawn]

both of them do? wtf how did they spawn 4 elites

i didnt even have legionary

[bold halo]

did they immediately spawn 4 or was it after a bit?

or breaking the spawners but that's obvious

[jolly pawn]

didnt break

walked in, 3 endermen and one of the meteor elites

[bold halo]

huh weird

[coarse pike]

well the one on the right is count 4, but its either a melee or a true random

I doubt its a true random

but can confirm

[jolly pawn]

did i truerandom into 3 elites 🔥

[torn dagger]

we should get elite spawners that act like those skeleton spawners in ex white that spawn enemies constantly

[forest wedge]

never mind I counted wrong, theres 6 of them

imagine transcendant copying them

[torn dagger]

singular reflection from their ability and encounter is over

[dreamy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[odd skiff]

so @coarse pike https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jYU4PTlisEzsxaGMI?invite=cr-MSxyN1gsMzQwNTQwODg0

this is the build i was using in the clip https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Veinshredder-4&o=Echoes of Ru'Ten-4&h=Crown of the Lost Beyond-4&c=Darkstar Pauldron-4&l=Duskroot Legguards-4&b=Souls of Silver-4&charm=Tom-n_Vows-4-W,Foc-itched-3-W,Les-itched-1-W,Foc-ntract-4-W

with ethereal up its 156 magic ehp

[coarse pike]

vengeful arcanic arrow my beloved

[dreamy whale]

I LOVE ARCANIC

I LOVE ARCANIC

[odd skiff]

and i did have it UP btw

[unique talon]

@coarse pike do you know how much damage that spell in particular does

i wanna math it up out of curiosity

[odd skiff]

and i have 11% res from warlock

[coarse pike]

I can go check the plugin sure

[coarse pike]

        magicArrow.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag);
        magicArrow.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[damage=40,distance=32,speed=0.8,delay=20,cooldown=160,turnradius=0,spellname=\"" + MAGIC_ARROW_SPELL_NAME + "\"]");
        magicArrow.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[soundstart=[(ENTITY_FIREWORK_ROCKET_LAUNCH,1,1)],soundlaunch=[(ENTITY_FIREWORK_ROCKET_LAUNCH,1,1.5)],soundprojectile=[],soundhit=[(ENTITY_FIREWORK_ROCKET_TWINKLE,0.5,1.5)]]");
        magicArrow.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[particlelaunch=[],particleprojectile=[(FIREWORKS_SPARK,5,0.1,0.1,0.1,0.05),(CRIT_MAGIC,20,0.2,0.2,0.2,0.1)],particlehit=[(FIREWORKS_SPARK,30,0,0,0,0.25)]]");
        ABILITY_POOL_R3.add(magicArrow);

40 in r3

[dreamy whale]

delve scaling is what

[odd skiff]

its SO OVER

[dreamy whale]

1.25?

[unique talon]

75% damage

[odd skiff]

1.75

[unique talon]

i think

[dreamy whale]

so 70 base dmg

[coarse pike]

so thats up to 70

[dreamy whale]

that means

[prisma flower]

No way charginguv plugin developer

[dreamy whale]

vengeful

[dreamy whale]

NEARLY

[unique talon]

40x1.75(delves)x2(vengeful)

[dreamy whale]

sorry

[unique talon]

so it actually ends up at 140

[dreamy whale]

OVER DOUBLED ITS DAMAGE

[coarse pike]

where is that x2 from

[unique talon]

vengeful

[dreamy whale]

vengeful

[torn dagger]

Vengeful doesn't give 2x

[coarse pike]

^

it only x2 health

[unique talon]

well whatever it gives it is

fucked up

[coarse pike]

no, no hold on

[odd skiff]

its 100% is it not?

[coarse pike]

vengeful damage gets charged up on mob kills

No thats just health

[torn dagger]

In that clip it's probably like... 7 mobs killed?

[prisma flower]

Vengeful damage only goes up to 90%

[torn dagger]

times whatever it is

[odd skiff]

90

[coarse pike]

7 mobs killed * +0.08% damage boost

[prisma flower]

7.5% damage per mob up to 12 mobs

[coarse pike]

Vengeful does not give a flat x2 damage on spawn, its just x2 health

[torn dagger]

56% more damage

[unique talon]

so its 106 damage

[torn dagger]

Thereabouts

[unique talon]

about

[coarse pike]

seems it, let me go double check the exact damage mult

[odd skiff]

then how did i DIE

[dreamy whale]

you running cara?

[torn dagger]

You're forgetting the secret Arcanic multiplier that deals 3x damage to people who are playing reaper

[coarse pike]

yea 7.5% up to 12 times

[dreamy whale]

actually wouldnt matter, it'd have been stripped long before

[coarse pike]

looks like closer to 10 kills honestly

[odd skiff]

yes but the mob didn't have it

[dreamy whale]

you wouldve stripped it anyway

long before it fired off arrow

[unique talon]

💀

he had outcast vulnerability too

absolute cookage

[coarse pike]

that'll kill you

[dreamy whale]

what an awesome modifier interaction

isn't that so fun

[odd skiff]

that's still not 156 and i had 11% res from warlock

[dreamy whale]

outcast cooked you with vuln

[coarse pike]

honestly abysmal time for the shield to be on cooldown

[odd skiff]

this is so sad

ok so like can we nerf Vengeful now

[torn dagger]

nah it's fine

maybe slightly slower scaling or less healing

[dreamy whale]

very balanced modifier

trust

[unique talon]

the healing part is the good part

the damage part is a little interesting sometimes

[dreamy whale]

140 dmg per shot across the map is fun

[unique talon]

on assassin if i see a chivalrous vengeful thing its just off limits for a little while

[coarse pike]

I mean thats a bunch of different things stacking up

[unique talon]

bc it ignores stealth and i cant really approach it safely

even on tanky stuff like guardian something like that takes full priority

[odd skiff]

yeah it is but why does the mod give mobs x2 hp too

[coarse pike]

shield on cd + mobs to charge up venge + arcanic + vuln

[forest wedge]

can we have additive rework for enemies too

[dreamy whale]

with leg 5, if you get an encounter with 2 vengeful arcanic mobs (not too unlikely) with flee AI

you now have an effective 280 damage to worry about

permanently

until you deal with the mob clump

[unique talon]

Yeah it's not just the vengeful mob

[coarse pike]

where did this number even come from

[dreamy whale]

140*2

[unique talon]

its the threat of the vengeful mob plus whatever's around it tbh

[dreamy whale]

you literally just saw the number

[unique talon]

it kinda compounds depending on the situation

[dreamy whale]

it's even worse if they spawn with carapace!

[unique talon]

naw realistically it'd be like

[dreamy whale]

Prayge

[unique talon]

90-110

with less vengeful stacks

[torn dagger]

To make sure they survive and aren't just fodder that die at the same time as everyone else

[coarse pike]

vengeful in isolation is supposed to make fodder mobs scarier / not just fodder

and it achieves that in part with the health

[torn dagger]

Unless you want to give elites vengeful it's kinda necessary 🤷

[odd skiff]

ah ok

[coarse pike]

when we start like

mixing in other mods

yeah shit gets dubious

[odd skiff]

yes it does

[coarse pike]

@prisma flower we could knock dmg scaling down to 5% maybe?

[torn dagger]

I think Arcanic should not scale based on vengeful but should instead fire every time the vengeful mob heals

[restive flare]

Not my type 3 fun

[prisma flower]

I think 5% damage 10 mobs seems fine

[unique talon]

isnt 40 melee damage considered as like heavy elite damage @coarse pike

[coarse pike]

no

[unique talon]

or 40 whatever damage

[ruby zenith]

ngl this clip isn't very good because getting hit here was a skill issue

[dreamy whale]

go check the uh

[coarse pike]

theres base mr mobs with 52 melee attack damage

[dreamy whale]

silver mob in tolum

idk the name

that's on the very high end of elite damage

that thing fucking hurts

[ruby zenith]

a random 1 shot magic attack is not very fun though

[torn dagger]

you can get hit more than once every 20s by an elite 🤷

[coarse pike]

that has 38 melee

[torn dagger]

Comparing it to a spell is meh

[restive flare]

WHY ARE THEY TINY THOUGH GRRR

[ruby zenith]

pstrike got a cap now fodder mob magic attacks need a cap or something

[restive flare]

If they were like not babies then i would be at peace

[prisma flower]

Which mobs

[dreamy whale]

mr is too high overall but thats another discussion imho

[torn dagger]

The solution is that every mob should be able to use potions

[prisma flower]

They are only 45 damage at best I recall

[dreamy whale]

no no

[torn dagger]

40% heal every 5s

[dreamy whale]

the one with the teleport and jump

[ruby zenith]

umm the MR melee mob does 2,451 damage per second to me

[dreamy whale]

weakest mr mob

[ember pendant]

Stellar Zealot...?

[dreamy whale]

yes

him

[torn dagger]

My beloved

[ember pendant]

That's not a Tolum mob 🧌

[dreamy whale]

that guy fucking HURTS

[restive flare]

In tolum?

[ember pendant]

[dreamy whale]

he's in tolum yeah

[ember pendant]

He is absolutely 100% not

[torn dagger]

Are you talking about the Valstrax trap mob

[coarse pike]

you're true they got culled to 45

[ember pendant]

Are you talking about the Exalted Skypiercer then

but no

[torn dagger]

the one that jumps you when you open the graveyard chest

[restive flare]

Lunacrest Captain???

[dreamy whale]

the one where you come up from the rat area

[coarse pike]

oh exalted Skypiercer

[dreamy whale]

there's a big pile of gravel

[torn dagger]

That's a different mob

[dreamy whale]

that mob

whatever it's called

[restive flare]

Squirrliepop u confusing me

[torn dagger]

The one that looks like the praise the sun guy

[restive flare]

[dreamy whale]

yes

idk the name

[ember pendant]

Whar

[torn dagger]

yeah that's not a stellar zealot

[ember pendant]

Lunacrest Captain???

[torn dagger]

yeah

[dreamy whale]

yes

[prisma flower]

Is it

[dreamy whale]

i just woke up from a nap

[prisma flower]

It's not that strong

[dreamy whale]

sorry

[restive flare]

[dreamy whale]

that guy hits like a truck

[ember pendant]

I think the Lunacrest Captain's jump is too strong I think

and that's it

because sometimes he'll just jump into your face

[torn dagger]

mob that uses jump and if it hits you they get to do it again

[ember pendant]

or jump behind you

Maybe we need the depths charge spam guardian back

[restive flare]

Do we

[ember pendant]

Yeah

[prisma flower]

The what

[restive flare]

[coarse pike]

I could make it a colossal

[ember pendant]

I think I explained it well enough

[restive flare]

Make it a worm

[ember pendant]

Guardian elite in Depths that spammed charge

[restive flare]

Super charger guardian worm

[torn dagger]

The funny

[odd skiff]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jYTS2eU1leMD3Ji2C?invite=cr-MSwybE8sMzQwNTQwODg0 🙂

[torn dagger]

make it be able to go through walls as well

[dreamy whale]

can you tell me the ability damage of Lunacrest Captain in tolumaeus

[coarse pike]

@lethal bison can you pin this this is peak

[odd skiff]

you can see dpact bug in this clip too !!!

[dreamy whale]

he got a teleport and a jump

[coarse pike]

no I dont understand how it works

[dreamy whale]

real_shit

@prisma flower can you decipher it

[ember pendant]

It's 1000% a true random

[restive flare]

Can we do clip based balancing

[ember pendant]

Well unless melee can spawn elites

The one on the right 100% can spawn elites and in fact about 50% of the time will spawn an elite

[odd skiff]

no sir we can not my dacpt bugged so my - healing was gone

[ember pendant]

including on spawner break 😊 😊 😊 😊

[coarse pike]

lmao?

[prisma flower]

Wdym it's just the slash cone damage and then the satsujin

[coarse pike]

it has iframe respecting

[dreamy whale]

ok whats the damage

[unique talon]

35

[dreamy whale]

is that teleport + backstab?

[unique talon]

or 45

one of these numbers

[prisma flower]

3 damage slash into 45 damage backstab

[unique talon]

yeah that

except the part where it multiplies the 45 by the amount of players it hits at once i think

[prisma flower]

Yes

[unique talon]

but thats peak i think

[ember pendant]

Keep that part it's awesome

[dreamy whale]

an extremely dodgeable ability on an elite not allowed to be vengeful does 45
but arcanic is 40 and is homing

[coarse pike]

"homing" is fake

every magic proj in the game has a turn radius stat

[ember pendant]

Does Arcanic Missle (purple orb) deal 40 damage

[coarse pike]

everything "homes"

[glad kettle]

Re: vengeful, I still hate the healing the most

[prisma flower]

What is charging uv talking about...

[ruby zenith]

nothing homes like old infernal missile

[dreamy whale]

dev fight

[restive flare]

Can we have a projectile that doesnt have a turn radius

[ember pendant]

I think Charging may have been replaced by a doppelganger

[restive flare]

[ember pendant]

He is spouting a lot of nonsense today

[prisma flower]

Arcanic arrow doesn't home

[ruby zenith]

yeah turn radius 0
it has a turn radius but it is 0

[prisma flower]

Yes

[coarse pike]

did they really put zero homing on it

if so thats so dodgeable

[ember pendant]

Yes

[glad kettle]

It’s 10% healing per kill on venge right

[ruby zenith]

that's what im saying

[coarse pike]

yes lucent

[prisma flower]

As nicknon would say, he has lost it

[ruby zenith]

arcanic arrow has been dodgable for a long time now

[coarse pike]

idk brain worms or smth

[ember pendant]

I mean it's dodgeable but regardless being 1-shot instantly by something seemingly random is annoying

[ruby zenith]

circle strafe is like the base level of competence

[ember pendant]

The real problem with Arcanic is Arcanic Missile though

Arcanic Arrow is 💤

Me when I want to block Arcanic Missile but it's in a crowd of 10 mobs

I kill the mobs, finally get to block it

[ruby zenith]

I just see missile as a shield breaker it rarely actually hits me

[ember pendant]

Place blocks but oops I accidentally placed the blocks ON Arcanic Missile so it phased through the wall and hit me anyways 🤣

I HATE THIS SPELL

[prisma flower]

I think projectiles are kind of just annoying because they punish you for approaching the mob or you just try to one-shot it first

[ruby zenith]

yeah I don't fuck with block placing against arcanic missile because it just feels sketchy to do. Wish I could feel reliable doing that

[prisma flower]

It'd be fun if attacks could force mobs to lose their focus and send the projectile flying off in a different direction

[ember pendant]

I don't really think so honestly

[ruby zenith]

circle strafe dodges almost all projectiles

[ember pendant]

Arcanic Arrow you can literally move to the right and avoid it

Most projectiles you can do this with unless they're homing

and Monumenta homing is toxic usually

[ruby zenith]

it would be nice to see some more dangerous attacks take "focus" that can be broken by melee damage

[ember pendant]

Me when I dodge the homing projectile just for it to curve around and run straight into me

[ruby zenith]

like the magic missile is really gnarly to mitigate if it appears point blank

[ember pendant]

Literally Megido Apoc gameplay

Ichabod is casting a TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL SPELL!

Ichabod was staggered out of casting its spell!

[ruby zenith]

normalize uhhh mob and spawner traits that are actively beneficial to the player

spells that can be interrupted by melee damage is fire

lowkey I made a mod that does this for skeles and it feels way better imo

[ember pendant]

Honestly I can see the vision on boss fights or elites and only that

Anything like that on normal mobs and it ends up being the regular gameplay people do with arcanic of kill the mob before it casts

Except instead it's just hit the mob before it casts

[ruby zenith]

I see it for specific things in monumenta

not arcanic arrow

[torn dagger]

Delve mod wizardry
Give every mob a spell and enhance their existing spells

[ember pendant]

Also it would be kinda hard to convey to the player

[ruby zenith]

maybe magic missile

[ember pendant]

This is literally just early Arcanic

Arcanic used to be like +30% ability damage at 5 points or something

(and give mobs spells)

[torn dagger]

1d4 damage * (3+ mob level)

[ruby zenith]

man I remember trying out something

where that arcanic buff used to exist

and you'd get 1 shot

I think there was like a mission or something to do lb with max arcanic

[ruby zenith]

(btw this is only a problem in r2 and r3 imo because the player is just able to blitz like that)

[ember pendant]

Yeah R1 is kinda just regular CTM gameplay (except for Shaman lol)

[torn dagger]

it's nice to have to think Do I Want To Shield This

[dreamy whale]

what is the base damage of missile

[prisma flower]

40 in r3

[dreamy whale]

Huohuo_Raised_Brow

do Arrow and Missile seriously have the exact same fucking base damage

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[prisma flower]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1171462320690581556/1258241809990287370/image0-2-2.gif

[torn dagger]

One is fast but easily doable
One is slow but homes in

... would it prevent jumpscare oneshots as much if arrow started slow but sped up?

[coarse pike]

what if 32 and 48

[torn dagger]

1 and 79

[abstract oracle]

91 and -11

[verbal sinew]

12+8i and 68-8i

[coarse pike]

thanks honey

[sharp onyx]

arcanic arrow aint really dodgeble if mobs in melee range or even closer

[amber oar]

it goes out a lot faster now so I am pretty sure you cannot reflect chain them anymore

[torn dagger]

aw dangit

[nova robin]

zenith f2r9 there is no bedrock seperating the bottom and top layers, and the mothqueen at top layer can be activated early when building up to break one of the spawners at bottom layer

[coarse pike]

will look into that room

[zinc ravine]

kind of abstract feedback but i think that there should not be two different mobs that are both evokers in the same content

const tower, a couple skrs, etc. have both non elite and elite evokers and you can't tell them apart even if they have different heads

[ruby zenith]

oh yeah I literally was thinking about that when I did the poi run with the non-elite and elite evokers confusing me in const tower

[sharp onyx]

hassle for non rp users too prob

#1345340298527637566 message
this encounter in rootway outskirts is kinda wonky

or maybe i played it wrong

[odd skiff]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jZFhQV4xOELc33juD?invite=cr-MSw5WWIsMzQwNTQwODg0 wtihout shielding my build has 100 melee ehp and with it up it has 163

i get hit by melee mob but shielding does NOT do the shielding???

[dreamy whale]

you did get hit twice by an elite

stellar zealots have a very high melee damage iirc

don't quote me on that

you can actually see the first hit get mitigated thanks to adze's mainhand stats

you actually wouldve ate the 2nd hit too

but you swapped off

[odd skiff]

its shielding not working cuz the hit box is dumb or something cuz of 1.20.4

[dreamy whale]

why does shielding have a fucking hitbox

you dont just run the incoming damagetype, check it, and tell shielding to fuck off if it's magic or the item type is an axe??/

[glad kettle]

For determining how far 2.5 blocks is presumably

[dreamy whale]

and then that yes

[glad kettle]

Hitbox was the wrong term i think

Distance check or whatever

[dreamy whale]

that makes much more sense

[odd skiff]

this

[bold halo]

Spawn radius on some of these spawns in exalted orange are too large meaning they can spawn from below, leaving them empty when you get here (case in point the twisted)

[odd skiff]

@coarse pike https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/k057CMSihZ6KjdIbb?invite=cr-MSxZWWMsMzQwNTQwODg0

[coarse pike]

yeah frozen fixed this

[odd skiff]

i know im just trying to get alch nerfed with some clipped based balancing 🙂

but fr this class is so dumb just like hex in r3

[coarse pike]

if only I was on the balance team 😄

yeah its

squidiculous

[verbal sinew]

its kind of peak actually

@coarse pike can this be a delve modifie

[coarse pike]

I said that to eliux

and he said I should resign immediately

[coarse pike]

why is there a clip on your channel leading with "I'm racist"

[bold halo]

Elite spawners spawn +2, Non-elite spawners spawn -1 (minimum of 1)

[jolly pawn]

rogue dreams mod

[bold halo]

whaaaat no

who said that

[odd skiff]

where

[verbal sinew]

he is always in the greatest vcs known to man

[odd skiff]

o

[coarse pike]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/jCMMzHi7XL5ggEAP_?invite=cr-MSwxdDIsMzgwOTEyMjM0

[odd skiff]

LOL

why is that public

[coarse pike]

*join
*I'm Racist 😄
LOL

[coarse pike]

okay the clip finally loaded the fucking militia walking towards you 😭

[odd skiff]

🙂

[dreamy whale]

you do not believe how badly i want to toss a fucking taboo burst brines straight into that pile after priming them with gruesome

[latent breach]

is it just me or does the neo antium golem elite do a shit load of damage with its copper block things

for no apparent reason

[sharp onyx]

all those astral type attacks are high dmg for some reason

[glad kettle]

They do true damage is my understanding

And the projectiles dont have iframes with each other or something

Effect is similar to the captain elites from star point where u instantly get blown up by like a dozen hits i guess

[odd skiff]

yup they do true dmg and i don't know why you just get 2 or 3 shot

[glad kettle]

No iframes

stationary astrals have a bunch of safety mechanics in play to reduce one shots

Almost none of those seem to apply when u make the enemy start moving around

[zinc ravine]

this encounter in the moltaria skr room with the cathedral secret (forgot the name ) is frustrating because it spawns like four evokers which all start hitting you through walls, and they're all through a literal 1 block wide chokepoint, and they have an attack that gives withering

[steady junco]

Airborne corruptor s tnt primes from the moment it is shot . Usually it explodes the moment it touches the ground and 1taps you/leaves you on like 1 heart. With the goofy movement of the phantoms they are also close to impossible to reach on most classes.

[coarse pike]

[coarse pike]

are you saying the projectile travels through blocks? def not intended

[blazing sparrow]

pre delve scaling 200 dmg worth bombs

peak

and legionary makes it even worse

[zinc ravine]

maybe idk

or maybe i just couldn't tell where it came from exactly because i was playing touhou with fangs from four evokers i couldn't hit lol

[gray solstice]

thoughts on making the Constellation Tower boss spawned fodder mobs either DelveImmune or immune to Arcanic, Spectral, etc.

that thing is horrific on arcanist because there are So Many Mobs

[graceful junco]

i just beat it on 65pt and the first mob wave had 3 elites wtf 💀

[cedar crater]

can you look at bee spawner range in brown

after the first one i saw there was so many bees attacking me constantly and idk where they were coming from

[steady junco]

Magenta miniboss probably shouldnt have a full heal as a dps check considering there are elites and mobs in the area and you cant focus on it a lot of the times . it also spawn in early which makes the full heal nearly guranteed in small groups

the 8 heart pots dont make it any better

[sharp onyx]

???

C'Vaatk?

i dont remember it healing

ever

[bold halo]

It has a single 50% heal when you get it below half health, but you can essentially just treat it as having 150% health, it’s not a dps check

The painful absurd range alch pots are way more annoying

[sharp onyx]

we talking about ex magenta boss right?

[bold halo]

Yep

[sharp onyx]

never noticed it healing

the boss just feels like a pain though, i think it has very strong melee

the metoer attack is weird too

[steady junco]

i thought it casted it after a certain amount of time ? but this mechanic is not the only reason it sucks to fight that guy

the arena is nor fit for the fight as well as the potion attacks are way too potent for how little room they give you to avoid them.

[dreamy whale]

yeah i dont like c'vaatk

[night schooner]

It definitely feels like a boss awkwardly grafted into a dungeon where it shouldn't be

I don't think it'd be nearly as bad if he wasn't just awkwardly slapped in the finale room

Should be reworked to a water fight inside the P2 water section to troll lootrunners

[gray solstice]

hello developers, could you copy over the water section in Exalted Magenta to build shard?

[night schooner]

That but unironically

[coarse pike]

I dont think I've ever fought C'Vaatk solo

will try it a few times and see how that goes

[nova robin]

the ghast spawner in final area of water section in blue gets activated early

[odd skiff]

can you add this to the list

[coarse pike]

ping me in 4 hours

[odd skiff]

what the

ok!

[odd skiff]

why does the sidereal scholar from tower poi have melee dmg

and when transcendent elites do thing there where they buff mobs do we know by how much?

and when they do that does it buff the elite too?

[prisma flower]

They don't buff mobs anymore

That part of transcendent dupe got removed a long time ago

[odd skiff]

HUH what does the horse death sound mean then

[odd skiff]

its been 4 hours

[prisma flower]

That you triggered the dupe

[coarse pike]

thanks for the reminder

I'll go check

[odd skiff]

yay!

[coarse pike]

https://github.com/TeamMonumenta/monumenta-plugins-public/blob/master/plugins/paper/src/main/java/com/playmonumenta/plugins/delves/abilities/Transcendent.java

        seekingProjectileBoss.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag);
        seekingProjectileBoss.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[damage=24,distance=32,speed=0.7,delay=30,cooldown=90,turnradius=0.03,charge=3,chargeinterval=10,effects=[(pushforce,0.5)],spellname=\"" + TRACKING_SPELL_NAME + "\"]");
        seekingProjectileBoss.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[soundstart=[],soundlaunch=[(ENTITY_ILLUSIONER_CAST_SPELL,1,0.5),(ENTITY_FIREWORK_ROCKET_LAUNCH,1,0.8)],soundprojectile=[],soundhit=[(ENTITY_FIREWORK_ROCKET_TWINKLE,0.5,0.5)]]");
        seekingProjectileBoss.add(ProjectileBoss.identityTag + "[particlelaunch=[(EXPLOSION_LARGE,1)],particleprojectile=[(FIREWORKS_SPARK,3,0,0,0,0.1),(SPELL_WITCH,10,0.2,0.2,0.2,0),(END_ROD,2,0.2,0.2,0.2,0)],particlehit=[(FIREWORKS_SPARK,30,0,0,0,0.3)]]");
        ABILITY_POOL_MELEE_R3.add(seekingProjectileBoss);
        ABILITY_POOL_R3.add(seekingProjectileBoss);```

r3

0.5 Piercing KB

[odd skiff]

so can you make it 0

[coarse pike]

well I dont think it should be zero

but it could probably respect kbr

[odd skiff]

ok

[gray solstice]

thoughts on Encampment final gauntlet?

although it does an interesting thing with the drop downs i think the spawner ranges are a little funky for it and also if you aren’t running pern or twisted or colossal i dunno how you’re “supposed” to get to the middle floor

[bold halo]

Wdym you just drop down and land on the ledge?

[gray solstice]

also a major disappointment that there aren’t spawners in the final room imo

[gray solstice]

like you air strafe in? or am i misremembering the layout

i remember it as 2 vertical 3x3 holes leading directly down from b1 to b3

[bold halo]

I do agree going down into a spawner filled room is a lot to deal with, and the bottom just being a single endermen then nothing to the pinata is a little bleh, having to take fall damage or use a movement option to avoid it is annoying. I think it's fine currently, but it'd require a rebuild probably to be better

[bold halo]

Yeah you can just hug the wall and catch the 2nd floor ledge

[lethal bison]

I mean, wouldn't those spawners be pointless? That entire room is locked behind the door with the spawner req.

[bold halo]

Idek there was a door there lol since it should be the final place you go to

[gray solstice]

oh there’s a door??

[gray solstice]

i’ve genuinely never seen this door before

how many spawner req things are there in r3 ow

[lethal bison]

Vibrant also has a door to the boss room

so does Starbound (I think)

[gray solstice]

the crypt in keep?

[sharp onyx]

convent just spawns a chest i think

[mortal marten]

Convent replaces a crypt with a chest

[glad kettle]

does any1 else have trouble with the ex magenta boss

I have no idea how to handle the starfall while underwater

[coarse pike]

.

[glad kettle]

yeah i don't have any issue with the other mobs or the one time heal for that fight

its like purely the starfall idk how to handle

it spawns before u even get into the room so it's already precasting starfall while you're in the water tunnel

and uh i have no idea how to dodge that frankly

actually the room itself also sucks too

1/3 of it's water, there's a bunch of vines everywhere on the edges so u have to stick to the center of the room or you'll randomly eat a slow from the vines

[bold halo]

It's all about just going in an doing as much damage as possible then running the fuck away before he nukes you and hoping he loses agro or gets stuck on the terrain while you regain health/cooldowns

[glad kettle]

how much do i have to pay to get the vines removed from that room

to clarify, when I manage to actually reach the boss to fight it, it's not too bad

other than the amount of time I waste mining out the spawners and then digging out vines and leaves while it's chasing me

i'm purely having issues i cannot figure out how to handle with the water tunnel preceding it

idk if it's lag or whatever but i cannot get out of starfall range while in water no matter what i try so if i fail to get out of the water before starfall finishes i just kinda die

[ruby zenith]

Curious as to why exs have bosses since the first 3 dungeons have pretty crummy arenas for them

[glad kettle]

the orange one wasn't too bad, I think?

but yeah white's extra crummy

[ruby zenith]

You're right but I've gotten the enemy to charge itself into the lava so it's only mildly crummy

[glad kettle]

that's like "normal" levels of crummy for an ex boss imo

ex lb on release liked to immediately yeet itself off into the nearest void

...did ex yellow even have a boss? I don't remember anymore

[ruby zenith]

I don't remember

[glad kettle]

reverie already had a boss to begin with, willows is like the only one i recall having something approaching non-crummy

[ruby zenith]

honestly the wither is almost good but one aspect of its AI makes it kinda miserable

[forest wedge]

can we make cyan's boss harder
its literally just vanilla wither, I'm not even sure if it has an ability

[bitter jolt]

it has a dash attack (same one that the hammer azacor demon has, idk what exactly to call it)

[torn dagger]

Charge

and i think having an enemy whose whole thing is floating just out of reach is hard enough for most classes
it could get dodging (u) that would be funny

[unique talon]

I will look into it perhaps next week

[glad kettle]

there is a distinct lack of a sign in this poi

hm maybe i should post a bug report actually

[zinc ravine]

im sure this isnt the first time this has been brought up but the "computer room" in shifting is a mess because the spawner ranges are all fucked and it kinda just behaves like a single miserable encounter

also this room (left) spawns a bunch of stuff on a floor you're not on (right) repeatedly and it kinda just becomes a mess when you do get down there and makes a lot of noise even before you do

(please mojang make mobs not deliberately suffocate their passengers by climbing up walls so they're not forcing me to listen to the drowned hurt sound on loop for ten minutes straight every time one spawns on a spider chiv)

[ruby zenith]

what this room is peak

[dry rover]

^

[tall star]

I think I remember specifically telling charging that was the best room in shifting

[coarse pike]

yeah that one is indeed the best room

[sharp onyx]

i was shooting mobs from upper floor for like 5min until i could go down in this room

[night schooner]

it's ass

💔

[night schooner]

in our unofficial callouts, this is computer

[night schooner]

and this is double decker

it's also been 2-story

[odd skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7cWiO9wkwc

you saying this made me remember this clip

this was like week 1 of me playing reaper

in the godshell sw build

o my god i found a even better clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Soi0fkNG24 @tall star being back 100% dmg on dpact :))))))

[zinc ravine]

._.

it's a cool room design but the spawners just spawn stuff from so far away and at all times when you're dealing with mobs from one spawner you have two spawners cycling mobs to come murder you, having the spawner ranges reduced would be nice

[zinc ravine]

yeah same

this and a couple others just force you down a 1x1 or 2x2 hole with a ladder and the spawners keep spawning mobs while you're on the floor above

[glad kettle]

Idk if this is necessarily the right thread for this but

Could the food from r2 drop tables maybe be given a pass thru

We’ve been getting an influx of newbies recently and uh a complaint that has popped up here n there as they enter r2 is that food in r2 seems to be notably way worse than r1?

so I guess the "encounter design feedback" would be "earlygame r2 is way harder than it needs to be because newbies are starving" or something

i mean ideally i guess u'd have an infinite food like the carrot by then, but that seems more like a content accessibility problem separate from combat

[dry rover]

overworld early game poi have better food loot is welcome

[gray solstice]

probably as a follow-up to charging's r1 poi food revamp?

is this the whole build team for Reverie?

[glad kettle]

it is

[gray solstice]

buh

[glad kettle]

iirc the story is heliceo randomly popped in and dropped the entire dgn onto TM

[gray solstice]

i wanted to discuss the encounters in castle (yeah it's mining fatigue)

This feedback concerns R1 Reverie.

• Mining Fatigue is a very centralising effect. Spawner breaking with Mining Fatigue is far more punishing and involved than without it.
• This leads to the (interesting) ways of getting around this by means of TNTing or creepering spawners.
• Theoretically, one could also play by attacking the Mining Fatigue heralds first, then breaking the spawners in the now-clear range
• However, the spawner ranges for this are far too massive - it is not unusual to look up and see 2-3 Heralds, with many spawners overlapping in range.

I propose that the spawner ranges on these elites specifically should be tweaked to be smaller

(note that the Castle has a lot of loot. like 4hxp of loot vs. 7hxp of loot from the rest of the dungeon excluding Labs)

[dry rover]

I disagree change effect radius as current one require player try to think about how to deal with

[gray solstice]

it feels like a permanent area effect at the moment though

i can see the idea where you were supposed to go and kill the herald to get rid of the effect

but right now you can't because if you find one herald there are 3 more above you

[dry rover]

Before we countiue for castle elite, does r3 version have any different

Like Effect radius, location

[gray solstice]

i actually don't know

i think the ex reverie spawner density is higher

[dry rover]

right then, base on my experience I find new add aura indicate is already helpful + they glow

And I really enjoy unique challenge it offer, it also ask player to come up a good route if player want kill all elite first

I can see it's very annoy when near top because higher elite density there, and path also split a bit

[gray solstice]

there's also weird zones where some spawners are just straight up blast immune

and at the top in the room with the key TNT seems to be completely disabled somehow

[dry rover]

Why u need tnt when u already at top

At that point u should already kill all elite

Don't know about other tnt thing, never use it

[glad kettle]

i don't understand the intent of the ex orange berserker elites

my assumption is that they go serpensia when they land a hit on u to punish u for letting them hit u

so u have to play keepaway with them until u can kill them but.. being able to teleport directly to the player seems pretty unfair if that's the case?

[coarse pike]

just torch it up imo

[mortal marten]

r3 mining fatigue elites only give mining fatigue at the same y level they are at

r1 heralds are like a massive cylinder

its awful

[ruby zenith]

I don't think thats right

Im not sure any distance check in the game is cylinder-based

can we get a sanity check on the bosstags for the fatigue elites

oh now that im on this thread btw

[ruby zenith]

How do we feel about the exalted variation of the yellow landmines? As someone who loves them in r1 I really don't appreciate them in r3 with the projectiles and shield break. Im sure it was a case of "exalted means we have to change what they do somewhat" but I think the r1 is a winner design already

[coarse pike]

Mechanistor is right, they're cylindrical in ex

[ruby zenith]

wait the aura effect boss is all cylinderic wtf

cylinder > sphere so I aint mad

[coarse pike]

well r1 is probably spherical

let me check

nope it defaults to 35 radius 20 height

r1 is just bigger

[ruby zenith]

this all really depends on whether the landmines are better as a mild hazard that can involve more shield usage (and will fuck you up if you aren't keeping track of them) or if the landmine going off at all is supposed to punish you

[ruby zenith]

r3 height is good imo because it gives more options for how the castle is cleared without ever losing the fatigue gimmick

[unique talon]

I think there is a way I can make them work in a more sane way than they are currently

Although it would be super shitty to have them ignore shields

The projectile tech is definitely not it ill say

[gray solstice]

why

[rose ridge]

the Heralds in EX Reverie have significantly smaller and more visible ranges

this is important because it means that killin' a Herald in the castle actually has an effect on how fast you break spawners for longer than about 5 seconds

compare and contrast with normal Reverie, where the aura for Harbingers is so comically large that there can easily be three different Harbingers all overlappin' the same spawner --- hell, the entire first floor's worth of the bastards are basically meaningless to kill until you can fight your way upstairs to kill more of them --- and you can barely tell when a spawner's not in range of them because the ranges are virtually invisible

[gray solstice]

• R1 Reverie is really swarmy so it's difficult to fight your way up to decapitate the Harbingers
• can't play Rogue because Rogue is a melee class
• even after you kill one Harbinger, you can't break its spawner with a pickaxe because you're in the range of two more

[rose ridge]

which doesn't feel great in a dungeon that already wants you beyond dead with how many swarms it spams at you (friendly reminder that normal Reverie has no non-Harbinger elites!) and how potent those swarms are (particularly in delves), especially if you're like me and consistently make the unfortunate mistake of bringin' a melee class to the castle because, fun fact, Mining Fatigue also kneecaps attack speed --- mind you, this is in a region where you're already starved for attack speed boosts as it is

[gray solstice]

the Mining Fatigue effect should get some associated +atkspd effect but it would require some effect handler magic for the atkspd to also clear when Cleansing Rain'ed

needs to be a +25% attack speed buff

[torn dagger]

- -25% attack speed

[rose ridge]

comedy

[dreamy whale]

you mention Rogue for aspd issues????

of all classes????

SURELY there is a larger elephant in the room more appropriate for this

[rose ridge]

hi, I'm the larger elephant in the room

[gray solstice]

rogue is the elite-sniping class, so if you wanted to go elite sniping to kill off the harbingers, i'm saying you can't do that

of course literally everything else is worse off

[torn dagger]

of course
Warrior also has no attack speed in their kit

[dreamy whale]

r1 warriors run axes 90% of the time

and rely on that frenzy to actually make the weapon usable up from what

0.8 aspd?

rogue starts at 1.6

[torn dagger]

curse of trying to kill an elite with eclipse splitter in a swarm of tightly packed mobs

[rose ridge]

me: I'm a Warrior, which means I like to use axes
the Fifteen Fucking Fatigue Harbingers:

[night schooner]

cleric has a pretty decent time against the harbs in r1

even w/o cleansing rain

[dreamy whale]

thats because they have 5x warrior base dmg on a 1.6 sword

average r1 cleric smite experience

[night schooner]

😳

have you considered that its terrible

🤫

[dreamy whale]

🤫

[rose ridge]

like, 90% or so of normal Reverie's mob roster is just assorted undead
and Cleric uses the power of bein' a competitive hater to become incredibly powerful against undead

so that doesn't surprise me in the least, honestly, even before accountin' for the incredible boon that Cleansing Rain is to the Cleric and anyone else (un)fortunate enough to be tasked with clearin' castle alongside them (since Cleansing Rain can temporarily blank the Mining Fatigue inflicted by the Harbingers' collective aura of stench)

[ruby zenith]

Hard hard hard disagree on "can't play rogue"

I've only ever played rogue in reverie

Also do the fatiguers actually have spawners for them? I wasn't aware because I've never seen any additional spawn

[zinc ravine]

so have i and it's complete ass

but every time this gets brought up the solution is just wait for 1.20.5 mining speed rework where they can unlink fatigue and attack speed

which is a fair solution

but that's a long way off it feels like

[ruby zenith]

I've literally never seen it noticeably effect my gameplay so

[dry rover]

as personal experience I don't think can't play rogue just because mining fatigue affect attack speed is true

since rn r1 aura is larger then r3 one, even though I am also fine with r1 version, I am totally fine with it change to r3 size

still keep its spirit and more fair and reward

[dry rover]

they do

usually the one on the small structure ususally come with vex spawner at bottom

[glad kettle]

I dont think additional ones can spawn realistically

[gray solstice]

is the spawner delay not the usual 1800

[glad kettle]

they have spawners yes, but the only reason they dont self-delete is bcuz it predates that tech

Theyre set to 10 hour cd iirc

[gray solstice]

i think the max mobs allowed is one instead of the usual “lots”

ah hm that’s interesting

[glad kettle]

Might not be that exact value but its some stupid large number

Trying to dig up a source

[mortal marten]

chrono reverie (5 hour cd !!!!!!)

[ruby zenith]

somehow I feel like there was this unspoken knowledge in earlier times that those heralds harbingers wouldn't spawn again

[bold halo]

They're meant to be so long that they don't spawn again yeah, they could potentially be swapped for those spawners that disappear after their first spawn like the Tolum gunners, but all of their current locations look cool with the spawner within which is awkward

[mortal marten]

replace them with vex spawners frfr

[bold halo]

New spectre just dropped 🔥

[glad kettle]

Later content had self-deleting spawners and the game uses those from that point on

So I guess the assumption becomes “if the spawner is still there, it’s for a reason”

[glad kettle]

Can Reflection maybe get an internal cooldown on the sfx playing

There’s a lot of enemy abilities that do extremely rapid dmg ticks causing it to spam the sfx, which is normally fine

But sometimes all of those ticks apply simultaneously due to lag or just jank and the reflection sfx stacks

I would not be surprised if ive taken hearing dmg from having a x10 volume Reflection go off

[glad kettle]

could the top section of cloudpiercer get a slight nerf maybe? 🙃

like I know it's not technically required to go up there but having 6 elite ghast spawners and 10 blaze spawners on a pillar with standard spawner respawn rates seems kind of excessive? I think coven amp might actually be more tame than this pillar given the spawners eventually burn out in coven amp

[sharp onyx]

i just mined spawners from within the pillar

[latent breach]

i swear something happened to stellar manifestation

it used to be okay now it feels like the strongest elite in the game all of a sudden

whatever you did please revert it, it was already a solid elite and now it's just absurdly broken

[restive flare]

Deserved for playing The Nadir

[latent breach]

yeah what the fuck

getting caught up in 1 (one) stellar manifestation attack is a death sentence

and it 1 taps any build no matter how tanky

[sharp onyx]

i wonder how many slashes it does

[restive flare]

Someone sacrifice themselves and count

Return to this feedback thread with gaping wounds

And pray tell

How many wounds did ye receive

[night schooner]

300 magic ehp Pala with regen and I get obliterated by them

It's rough out there

[latent breach]

• added iframes to prevent players from instantly being nuked by a rapid sequence of attacks
• made an elite that nukes players by a rapid sequence of attacks ignore the said iframes

just because.

[restive flare]

Made an elite that Kills You

[forest wedge]

[restive flare]

Because f them silly gimmicks !

It just tears you open

[rose ridge]

excuse me

why the fuck does the stand ignore i-frames now

[forest wedge]

what if we just added an elite that fortnite dances on you and deals emotional damage

[restive flare]

Muda muda muda muda

?

[torn dagger]

how many attacks does it do exactly that makes it a problem tho

surely not more than 6/s?

Honestly this is the one elite that should ignore i-frames because previously it just felt bad
It went bop, i-frames, bop, i-frames, then you get launched

[forest wedge]

The dmg should be tuned down accordingly

My friend has been sent back to spawn multiple times by those dudes

[torn dagger]

yeah that's what I'm wondering
Because a 1/3 damage nerf yet it feeling stronger means that it needs to hit an obscene amount of times per second

[forest wedge]

It hits you like 4-5 times more than before

[fast grove]

that one skr elite

[forest wedge]

So its dps increase

[forest wedge]

Which one

[fast grove]

preserved isharist

dances then blasts you with dripstone blocks on the floor

idr name

[forest wedge]

I just nuke those before they can do anything

[fast grove]

sad!

[forest wedge]

Literally the most free elite ever

The speedy elites are scary tho

[fast grove]

every elite is free if you burst damage them

[forest wedge]

Hunter has that

[fast grove]

i play hunter

and i intentionally dont kill

to see the mob

and what it does

-w-

[forest wedge]

I just kill everything that gets in my way

Sometimes it might even be my friends

nah jk I wouldn't ever do that

I have totally not jchained creepers upon my friends

[torn dagger]

me chaining a creeper onto my voodoo bonded friend causing me to explode

[restive flare]

In Quelled Convent before the last room (3 hallways with chest in them) I always jump to the balcony that has the chest and creeper spawners

The creeper spawns then falls down and often time they kill my teammates

[forest wedge]

I wish vbonds protection lasted longer than one hit

[gray solstice]

jchain a creeper to your friend and then accidentally vbonds them, setting yourself to 1 health

[bitter jolt]

is it viable to shield stellar manifestation or does it straight up disable shields too

[devout lily]

IIRC, it disables shields

Oops, sorry about the late ping

[bitter jolt]

np, ty for answering

[night schooner]

Okay this one's really specific

Malfunctioning Circuitry in fishing combat

[restive flare]

Is it the iron golem with the astral attacks

[night schooner]

Yes

[restive flare]

[night schooner]

Not threating at all for ranged or caster classes

Kinda slop for melee

[restive flare]

The one in brown was so good they made another one

But yes I agree that the Malfunction Circuit is a little tad bit 🤏 doom

[night schooner]

It's not really that bad relative to other problem children but I think it's kinda.... lazily designed?

It just kinda shits out astral attacks everywhere and if you want to melee it you're pretty much just doing a DPS check and hoping the random projectile vomit doesn't OHKO you

[ember pendant]

This is such a big huge horrible lie oh my god every time it spawns on Arcanist I have a 75% chance of dying if I don't kill it instantly or chug pots

Only if it's those really flat fishing combats though

[prisma flower]

Arcanist can be classified as melee range I think

[ember pendant]

Not really because it's not melee enough to really get in golem attack range

The projectiles cover a lot of range too

[night schooner]

ARCANIST IS MELEE

Going to drop an anvil on your head

[ember pendant]

You don't have to jump crit the golem constantly on Arcanist!!!!!!!!!