SKR Feedback Thread

[orchid briar]

Locum is also bad

[remote nebula]

locum is... a poi

[orchid briar]

I would do locum over amanita every time tho

[rigid oyster]

To be fair, that’s current endgame rn

But it is weird yes

[wispy swan]

yea but other than canon there's no reason to lock skr to current endgame

[feral cliff]

19 was a lot

if its at 12 that means 2 biomes worth

rather than all 3

[snow wharf]

It’s so they can drop 5 more POIs next week and give an additional scroll at 24 POIs

12 is a lot more manageable

Much preferred update

[wispy swan]

Oh is that exactly 2 biomes

I see

[rigid oyster]

Its also just under 2/day

[snow wharf]

Since you’re already encouraged to do your bounty every day it’s basically just 5 more POIs which is honestly not bad

[rigid oyster]

Rather than the almost 3/day it was approaching

[mortal tartan]

ngl i don't get the citadel hate

like its not that great but i'd rather play it than like silvic or bewitched or chanterelle

[snow wharf]

coven fortress doesnt deserve that after its changes

[rigid oyster]

Its long

And ppl dont like guardians

[old flicker]

citadel aint that long its linear so it feels longer id say

[rigid oyster]

Or slimes

[old flicker]

well citadel elites are bit annoying

[rigid oyster]

And water

[old flicker]

but dont they die easily too

water is minimal id say

if u play well u wont even fall in it

[snow wharf]

The end section drags like 2-3 rooms too long

[wispy swan]

Yeah

The underground of citadel feels like it never ends

Same rooms again and again and again

[old flicker]

it does feel repetitive yeah

[feral cliff]

we could theoretically rework it

[worn sun]

Please do, playing it feels like having dementia 😭

[snow wharf]

SKR feedback thread, causing several reworks of overworld POIs.

I mean honestly shortening the end section would help a ton

[silver lake]

kill that poi

replace it with arx amp

tbh

[high trout]

pls remove forsaken manor too

[silver lake]

quelled convent amp

[high trout]

that shit is so terrible I will never play it

quelled is quite peak

[feral cliff]

yeah at this point it is just my hotline to the community

[slender mortar]

Waow! (Based based based based ba-)

[orchid briar]

Dont even need to rework much

Just delete most underground rooms

[nova mango]

please buff assassin

[sweet wigeon]

only buff its getting is stealth fixes which are never happening

[snow wharf]

based based based based

[dense kindle]

Would be cool to shift Citadel to fit the Rootways theme rather than being weird bubbles I imagine

Not that we really know what the Rootways look like since all the SKR rooms are just underground Arx lol

[remote nebula]

#gameplay-discussion message

grim reminder

[weak gulch]

I find some pois like locum and manor 10x worse to run ngl

[old flicker]

locum would benefit from a more obvious path trough the buildings

it has so much looping and sidepaths rn

[sweet wigeon]

i can teach you the path through locum 🙂

[grizzled sun]

locum path is obvious...

[old flicker]

i guess it wasnt obvious enough for me

but the there is weekndtech telling everyone that manor has a good route and is actually a decent poi bc of that

[grizzled sun]

i do love manor's layout, not the enemy

it make u try to design a good path

[weak gulch]

having specter like mobs that silence you and deal half your hp is just annoying to face . Silence is a very strong mob debuff and shouldnt be given so lightly.

locum s problem is just the layout/visuals of the poi

[old flicker]

silence is definetly the most dangerous player debuff besides a complete stun (which iirc only experimental lv2 haunted had). maybe it would be more bearable if silence didnt disable passive abilities

and just didnt let you cast actives

[weak gulch]

the spawner requirement is also a little too high imo

[cobalt dawn]

oh boy I sure love playing a magic class and building magic damage like 5/8ths of the classes in this game

I sure am glad that there aren't any debuffs that barely affect 3/8 classes and cripple the rest

[wispy swan]

ok now that this is #ask-charging

what kind of thing did you build to end up on cz builders list twice

[old flicker]

well clearly cloned himself

[old flicker]

blindness disables critting and sprint which is uh bit crippling for melee

but blindness is really rare

as a debuff

[cobalt dawn]

you can at least hit things though

[old flicker]

terth, some creeper and elites in endermen in rampart

also merdd 2 iirc has very strange shielded spawners in the holes and pretty high spawner req - i needed to actively find spawners

[weak gulch]

noncrit melee dmg is better than hitting a 300 hp mob with your 10 dmg wand or 1 dmg alch pot

[old flicker]

yeah

i really wish silence didnt disable passive abilities

[weak gulch]

i feel like it should be left for things like seekers ,rather than normal mobs

[harsh hill]

Does it

[old flicker]

yes

[harsh hill]

I don't notice my toughness getting removed tbh

[old flicker]

exept that

bf doesnt work

[harsh hill]

Amazing

[old flicker]

cs doesnt work

[harsh hill]

yeah true

Is it just toughness

[old flicker]

mslam passive doesn't work

nothing

dj too

[harsh hill]

I guess stacks stay

[old flicker]

yeah

[dense pendant]

alch pots just entirely do not work

does anyone know if Swift Cuts works

[old flicker]

it shouldnt

[cerulean turtle]

it's the same as making you classless

though I feel like magic classes would also have a harder time being hit by the silencing mob in the first place

[old flicker]

well yeah classless is harder when u rely on ur class abillities

[feral cliff]

lmao never noticed

when shadow updated the list right before launch I guess I got added twice

[thorny wharf]

The duplicator orchestrator

[snow wharf]

oooor you have a secret clone and shadow "accidentally" credited both you and your alternate form in the building of cz (since you both worked on it, obviously)

[feral cliff]

well its not secret anymore >:(

[feral cliff]

what the fuck theres three??

no nevermind im just blind

[mortal tartan]

charging infrared

[old flicker]

ChargingUV when DrainingIFR walks in:

[primal stratus]

[dense pendant]

Draining my Ifr

[high spindle]

because each floor gets its own build credits

[sudden ocean]

does this mean i get to put my name on all 3 floor signs

[worthy pivot]

Me

[feral cliff]

doing roughly 20-25% health increase and a 15-20% dmg increase

it is kind of utter slop but we'll see how it goes

(not across the board, targetted per mob)

[silver lake]

what if we did more slop and we somehow used delve scaling to accomplish this ; this would mean no work for you and it'd just be scalable for everything

[feral cliff]

id be killed

[silver lake]

like, zero actual delve mods but we'd have fake points to have delve scaling

[feral cliff]

you'd also be killed

[silver lake]

@sudden ocean can you do this

[feral cliff]

also the base mobs should just be correct stat wise

[soft mist]

After playing more i feel like stats aren't the big issue but more like the spawner placements in the rooms, a lot of them have single encounters you can easely deal with individually, instead of providing a challenge like often pois do

[feral cliff]

instead of band-aiding a fix on top

[silver lake]

hard agree i think a lot of encounters are missing things

[soft mist]

No matter the base stats of a mob, if you fight a single spawner by itself, unless it has some crazy abilities it will be an easy fight, no inbetween

[sudden ocean]

do what

[feral cliff]

this is true

[silver lake]

band aid legionary 3

[feral cliff]

I think the current light-spawner placement was in part a knee-jerk reaction to some dissent over zenith/sp placement

no band aids if i am fixing it i am fixing it right

[silver lake]

do you want me to go throug rooms

and annotation spots

that i think deserve more sauce

[feral cliff]

if you want

I will have to go over them all I think

in 14 hours total

[sweet wigeon]

put a spawnergate at the end of every room

[soft mist]

The best rooms i've played were the werewolf room and one of the isharist small rooms as they had interesting spawner placement that made you think about the encounters

[feral cliff]

I like those as well

[silver lake]

the werewolf room is very peak

[sudden ocean]

wtf is the werewolf room

[silver lake]

dna hidden village

[feral cliff]

dna wolfswood

[soft mist]

And btw, i say this not for the mob count, which for some classes like mage, alch and many others does not matter much, but what's important about spawner count is the directions and location of the different mobs that come at you

[sudden ocean]

you should elaborate this more

[silver lake]

iam

[feral cliff]

you should forget he ever said that

[silver lake]

joking

i just wanted to ping you

[sudden ocean]

i am going to say something where honeypint will actually mute me

[soft mist]

I run legionary normally in all content and it almost does not matter for me since i run an aoe class, while for some others it's disastrous, what's important about encounters is pressuring the player with different types of attacks at the same time, not a lot of the same

[feral cliff]

yeah increasing mob count will not fix underlying issues with encounter designs

[soft mist]

Btw talking about that if someone wants please remake the spawner placement in Quelled Convent as i followed too much the spawner placements and it's the most awful poi in r3 for mob layout for these same issues as some skr rooms

[feral cliff]

there was some feedback in either this channel or gameplay discussions about that house

[silver lake]

is this the room in question

if you remember

[feral cliff]

I decreased the overall density a bit but it may be worth to respawner

[silver lake]

this one has pretty good density

[soft mist]

Does it have a temple later on?

[high trout]

what the heck is the werewolf room

[feral cliff]

yeah that one phases through interiors and exterior caves

[soft mist]

Yes

That one is perfect imo

[silver lake]

agree

[feral cliff]

legit read 2 messages below what you read mate

[high trout]

this isharist preserved room?

[high trout]

😭

[feral cliff]

reading failure

[high trout]

ok I'm stuid

[remote nebula]

🐦

[high trout]

monumenta stereotype is getting onto me

also charging well done on the long catacombs skr spawnering

the final lever is evil

[soft mist]

On another note i played twice a long room with a big swamp and waterfalls and that one on 70% of it suffers from single spawner encounters being used too often

[high trout]

[soft mist]

It had a couple of cool encounters using evoker elites and other stuff together but it wasn't that many

[feral cliff]

most of them are just slop repeated singles if you think about them too hard

[soft mist]

Well it was my previous job to think about it too hard so the habit is still there 🤣

[feral cliff]

lmao yeah its appreciated

I will try to hit a bunch of these for next week

but wednesday is fast approaching already

[high trout]

[soft mist]

No worries, thanks for reading my feedback

[rigid oyster]

I asked about this

Let me find the conversation

Wait

You were here for that conversation

Charging even pinged u

[silver lake]

was i

[rigid oyster]

#1345340298527637566 message

[silver lake]

was not the exact same idea

[rigid oyster]

#1345340298527637566 message

Me asking if delve modifier functionality can be cannabalized #1345340298527637566 message

Nicknon explaining how savage skt accomplished it #1345340298527637566 message

[glad oak]

it would be about as much work to just change the stats as to use what sskt does

[rigid oyster]

I think the idea is to implement the ability to separate delve scaling from delve point count for future use?

[glad oak]

yeah that is also called the elden ring idea

[rigid oyster]

I guess you could set a delve mod that is normally unselectable and has no inherent effects

That seems like it’d be a funny experimental delve mod

[silver lake]

what if we just had a self scale 🔥

[rigid oyster]

This mod does nothing but adds an arbitrarily large amount of levels to delve scaling with no associated increase in loot, the slop modifier

[feral cliff]

numbers difficulty the modifier

[orchid briar]

le balans

lets see how it goes then

specifically will be testing on my swordsage that does not live well in high pts

[thorny wharf]

Wait is this on all SKR only mobs or including the poi-shared ones too

[cobalt dawn]

on every mob

world bosses get +10% more as a treat

[outer acorn]

mw5 christmas came early

[snow wharf]

In all regions too.

[old flicker]

in real life

[rigid oyster]

what is sponge supposed to be a placeholder for in skr

[feral cliff]

why would I change poi mobs just because they’re in skrs

[rigid oyster]

related, ppanvel IV being a puzzle room seems like a shame

[feral cliff]

how so

[rigid oyster]

it feels a lot like a combat room layout wise and has a lot of hidden corners

including secret room up the waterfall

[thorny wharf]

Does he know

[feral cliff]

I think I can get the longs juiced up for update but probably not all the normals

[rigid oyster]

… is this room also a combat room too, separately?

[feral cliff]

is that the one that was killed for shite gameplay and then turned into a puzzle

[rigid oyster]

Its the minesweeper room

[thorny wharf]

Because another big facet of skr difficulty imo is that the POI-shared mobs are meant to be easy undelved and the SKR-exclusive ones are meant to be hard

[rigid oyster]

Was there problems with it while testing for combat?

[thorny wharf]

And so blanket buffing every SKR-exclusive mob would increase that disparity

[rigid oyster]

Ah

[feral cliff]

I suppose the correct thing to do is clone those mobs with slightly different names and get killed by someone in three years

[rigid oyster]

I still have no idea how the blood tree elite works

[thorny wharf]

Me neither

[feral cliff]

which one?

[rigid oyster]

What even triggers the healing

The one that repeatedly full heals if you dont instantly blow it up

[feral cliff]

oh demented Phisogue

the evoker

[thorny wharf]

SKR mobs were made in a trance perhaps I do not have any idea how most of them work

[feral cliff]

I put uh

40% heal on hit

[rigid oyster]

…doesn’t that only punish melee?

[wary ivy]

uh based?

[rigid oyster]

Share the pain a little and make the vexes heal too if they dont yet

[feral cliff]

Nah the fangs count as on hit

which you can learn to jump over

[rigid oyster]

Sure but only melee has to do that

U can just pillar up on any non melee class

[feral cliff]

you cant actually

it has an …invisible … mounted evoker…

[thorny wharf]

Also the ending of this one (the forgeways I think) seemed a bit dubious with the double evokers because their rift already uses black terracotta as the material

So it just becomes invisible on the floor which is not very cool

[slender mortar]

[feral cliff]

frossoli i authorize you to change the floor

[rigid oyster]

What

[thorny wharf]

Why does pishogue have 2 evokers though

[rigid oyster]

Wait what does having a mounted evoker do

[feral cliff]

looks cool + extra fangs

[thorny wharf]

Also you forgot to give the top one boss_no_glowing and other tags

[feral cliff]

wither on hit

[rigid oyster]

Is the double evoker why its so fucking fast

[feral cliff]

no

unless you mean cast speed

[rigid oyster]

I meant cast speed

[feral cliff]

want to drop the list

[feral cliff]

then yes

[rigid oyster]

What does having a mounted evoker do against pillaring

[feral cliff]

for the fangs to not get you that high its just an impacté height

impractical

[rigid oyster]

Wait does the 2nd evoker have hp or share hp

Does aoe do double dmg from hitting both evokers

[thorny wharf]

AoE doesn't deal double damage to 2-mob stacks where one is an immortal mount/passenger

[thorny wharf]

Nothing against pillaring idk what he meant

[rigid oyster]

Is this where frogvis came up with the no ai castbar magma slime hack for bossbars

[thorny wharf]

It just does an extra wave of fangs

I guess you could theoretically get hit by the upper evoker's melee attack if it was super close and you pillared, I guess...?

[thorny wharf]

I remember it being longer but it's just boss_no_glowing, boss_no_exp, and set Silent var to true

[thorny wharf]

Also fact check it's 50%

Also double fact check the reason why the heal can be so insane sometimes is because it has boss_hostile (which isn't perfect and can cause super fast attacks sometimes, particularly when both mob and player are moving)

So you have a very fast evoker that has a very fast melee attack that heals for a lot on each attack (even if the attack gets iframed or deals no damage)

[feral cliff]

silent false was intentional

it mutes cast sound

[thorny wharf]

Ah true

[feral cliff]

I think in the current class economy I’m fine with it being fast

can make it 30 or 35% if it was an issue however im fine with it at 40 as in testing at 30 it was fake

[thorny wharf]

What an elite has to be undelved in this economy

https://tenor.com/view/klasik-clasik-clasic-gif-25398314

[slender mortar]

Gif goes hard

[feral cliff]

rest in peace brah if we ever add hard mode

[rigid oyster]

is the halo spawner one of the hanging spawners in the blood tree elite room

[rigid oyster]

Can skr items drop from mog

[rigid oyster]

Ty

[feral cliff]

yes but that elite isn't halo'd

I think just like some strays are halod

if the elite is halo'd in that encounter I have blundered

[rigid oyster]

the galos short combat with the pit of no return has a creeper spawner on a vine a few blocks from the entrance room that trips the moment you spawn in

is it possible to get spawnkilled by this spawner while rendering/loading in for higher ping users

[feral cliff]

I thought I reduced the range on that one enough but I can move it

[rigid oyster]

i don't actually know if it's a problem or not, just thought it'd be worth mentioning as a potential one to check

[feral cliff]

spawnkilled is a problem

[nova mango]

guys my last 7 scroll drops were puzzle

how do i fix this

[feral cliff]

"No charge, puzzles should drop at the same rate as combat. it's fine"

[rigid oyster]

it is fine

[silver lake]

Its soul

[rigid oyster]

i would like to point out that the alternative is for puzzle scrolls to dictate the entire SKR economy due to sequences needing them

[nova mango]

i think they should be 50 50 but i still want to play combats

[feral cliff]

consider exchange trading to a combat

[rigid oyster]

sequences mean u do more combat than puzzles anyway

2.5 combat and 1 puzzle

[worn sun]

puzzle rooms are peak

imagine cz with puzzle rooms 🙏

[nova mango]

erm

[feral cliff]

isnt it 1 scroll frag

maybe it is 2

maybe it should be 1

[worn sun]

it is 1

last time I checked it was

[nova mango]

yea thats like 2har..

actually 1.5

same thign

[sweet wigeon]

just 1:1 them with other players

[feral cliff]

in a few months that will probably seem more acceptable of a cost to trade

but prices are still high

[worn sun]

dont expect skr mats to drop much lower due to cache loot tbh

[charred imp]

it'll take longer than normal content to decrease, but it'll get there when skrs become more of a "oh i got a scroll, let me play skr" and less "let me try and get scrolls to play skr"

[wispy swan]

no one's actively grinding for scrolls anymore tbh

they're just way too cheap for that

[nova mango]

also prices already stabilised i think

caches are profit or very close to profit

so mats wont go down and so wont scrolls

[old flicker]

my last 7/10 were combat

[charred imp]

I know I'm still trying for scrolls 😛

[worn sun]

I do as well a bit, mainly cause puzzles are fun to do lol

[nova mango]

guys i am up to 10 puzzle scrolls in a row

[feral cliff]

can we get 11

[thorny wharf]

I’m at 8

[vapid bane]

you gotta level up your game

[bleak jungle]

quite puzzling

[trail matrix]

This puzzles me.

[sweet wigeon]

curious...

[tidal wing]

the crops in briarstone can probably be changed to not be uprooted when nearby spawner breaks, one right at the start and one at a wheat farm area

[tidal wing]

how is an elite allowed to have this

[cobalt dawn]

colossi of terror:

[feral cliff]

Y’all complained shit wasn’t hard enough man

quick charge could be lowered to compensate for the damage increase

[cobalt dawn]

no I think it should get quick charge 6 so that it hits me more

for, uh, reasons :3

[thorny wharf]

Mi honesta reaccion

[azure oriole]

why does bro need piercing X on the crossbow, dude things he can 1v10 us

I noticed the ranged attacks in SKR hitting much harder then I would expect for non delved stuff. I've not been hit by melee mobs yet so I cannot comment on their damage though

[wispy swan]

with that kinda crossbow i wouldnt be surprised if he could

[azure oriole]

Mobs dont have very much HP though, I have a hard time seeing what the mobs do when they die in 1 second. I wonder if it would be better if the mobs where bulkier with less damage to compensate

[wispy swan]

might be build difference altho idk how new skr feels

[azure oriole]

Like I dont know what is and is not an elite until I hear megalovania play

[wispy swan]

never quite got any scrolls after the buff

[cobalt dawn]

truly the kill or be killed meta

[azure oriole]

they only have like 550 HP, which is really frail. Although maybe i'm just overgeared and am expecting too much from the mobs

[rigid oyster]

...how much hp do ranged elites normally have in 12 pt content?

[harsh hill]

the kisarith we never knew we needed

[snow wharf]

The item scout needs to be balanced finally

[ornate light]

They play monumenta hardcore and has 1 life

[old flicker]

550 hp is the usual ranged elite hp amount isnt it?

[ornate light]

550…
I thought those are like 300
non hp bar mod user

[slender garden]

what the hell 😭

[nova mango]

only in starpoint

[rigid oyster]

Elites in brown at 12 pt have like 300-400 ish iirc?

[dense pendant]

25pt chittering non detonating elites are 562 health

detonators are 542

[old flicker]

why then miracle says 550 is frail

[orchid briar]

looked at hycenea for too long

[silver lake]

hey skr enthusiasts

[snow wharf]

Let’s go

I wonder how much this impacts the expected value of scrolls

[dense pendant]

isn’t it constant still

just a small increase in variance

[snow wharf]

Since all rooms don’t have equal chests no

The expected value for rolling a normal combat scroll while Forgeway is not an option is lower than with it.

[silver lake]

i wonder if expected value can even be calculated with a system like this in place

[snow wharf]

I think it might be if you average all “average -3 random rooms”s together

Though thinking about it that will yield the same as just averaging the rooms together so it probably doesn’t have any effect

[dense pendant]

the EV of one scroll will fluctuate over time

depending on which three SKRs you did last

[snow wharf]

Yea

[dense pendant]

so technically if your last 3 SKRs were highrolls then it’s optimal to just sell all your scrolls (?)

[snow wharf]

If selling them > the EV at that point then yes lol

Kinda funny

[azure oriole]

what if I also mean that the regular elites are too frail too

[feral cliff]

what class / build you run

[azure oriole]

I ran sha into all of the SKR's I played so far

normally i'm using sha, alch or scout

[orchid briar]

Shaman does not see hp shaman sees time to wait till kill

I think elites hp is fine but hypotetically super elites can use some more

[wispy swan]

Definitely yeah

But it won't have a purpose since you can't skip a cycle

Whether you know it or not, you can't affect the amount of chests you get next skr

[dense pendant]

i think this is mostly a shaman issue

i’m gonna give context based on the other builds i’ve played

550 health is 9 Herald’s Cruelty shots

it’s about 4 assassin clockblade melees + a bmb

[harsh hill]

Insane metrics

[dense pendant]

it’s about 1.6 times of an arcanist spell cycle

[harsh hill]

How many hydraulic chausses meteor slams is that

[dense pendant]

imma be real with you i’ve never played bers in r3

[azure oriole]

3 if we count the glorious battle damage, possibly two if you crit the mob twice

[azure oriole]

this feels disingenuous since its not considering coup or any other rogue skills

like its not really fair to say, the mob takes so many hits to kill when we are not counting the entire class

[orchid briar]

Its one bmb u

I also two hit it on swsage with bmb + normal hit

[dense pendant]

oh ok then

i might just be playing low damage builds

[nova mango]

yessir!!!

[feral cliff]

mate this is insane

gg on impen win though

[tidal wing]

i think minesweeper is bugged to always have this as starting board, i press the middle tile and worked upwards

[nova mango]

12

[silver lake]

czad therei sn o way

[burnt pulsar]

I think he's lying and should be muted for wasting devs time trying to find bugs

[nova mango]

whaaaat

[silver lake]

it might be real

[tidal wing]

minesweeper is real

[snow wharf]

did you guys forget to remove the if(username == "czad") return PuzzleScroll;

[silver lake]

unfortunately for you there is literally no plugin usage in skr

[tidal wing]

share your secrets

[snow wharf]

ooh sorry

did you guys forget to remove the command blocks that check for czad and only gives them puzzle scrolls?

[nova mango]

got this from a 3p poi idk if i count this as 13th

[nova mango]

ig thats a real 13th in a row

NOOOOOO

its so over

[sweet wigeon]

[feral cliff]

I dont think anyones beating that streak for a long time

[tidal wing]

can someone check Dextrous Beastman's melee damage

think it deals ~80 melee

for a normal mob thats absurd

[tidal wing]

am i unlucky or smth

[silver lake]

how the fuck do you have 102 combats

[tidal wing]

pay to win

(buying from others)

[snow wharf]

are there maybe long room exclusive mobs?

[tidal wing]

there are some but i probably used 30 sequence scrolls so far

[feral cliff]

can you ss which ones you’re missing

[feral cliff]

I think the galos one is an error on my part and its unused

[silver lake]

also missing that one in wolfwood

while i have all of em

missing galos too but i hjave 10/20

[feral cliff]

can you check on dev what its called az

[silver lake]

can i

[feral cliff]

idk can u

[silver lake]

oh i can see all mobs on here

sludge spewer

[feral cliff]

yeah sludge is unused.. oops

[silver lake]

oh wolfwood is amethyst cluster

[feral cliff]

but I gan use it

[silver lake]

that is also not anywhre

[feral cliff]

Ah that makes sense

sludge is maybe the most toxic mob in the game but I’ll try to use it in any upcoming galos rooms

[slender garden]

@feral cliff The slop thickens...

[feral cliff]

one in a hundo or something chance of that who snows

[nova mango]

mob hp seeems extremely inconsistant

same room had 110hp sword brutes and 210hp axe brutes

[feral cliff]

issue of some biomes still use the overworld mobs

[nova mango]

yea the 110hp was a fella from arx

[feral cliff]

yurt that'd be why

really, I need to go through all the rooms and replace those spawners with the brown-core mobs

its just that that is rather time consuming and makes me want to die

[nova mango]

also briarstone normal mobs felt very weak

[nova mango]

in blackflame long combat with a miniboss at the end there are some piglins that spawn magma block lines but cant walk over them bc of piglin ai

which is pretty funny

but idk if that should be a thing

[outer acorn]

what 65 pt does to your brain ("skr is too easy")

[high trout]

skr enemies are quite the threat if most of them weren't like single encounters

[rigid oyster]

the elites are extremely scary already, the only reason they're manageable is because a lot of the encounters are slop

[outer acorn]

oh yeah I did one of those large skr rooms a bit ago and a lot of it was "line of single spawners on a path"

its the one with the curvy bridges and a miniboss

[feral cliff]

its dealing bloody 58 + 31

its double dipping because its mainhands have attack damage (??)

will fix for wednesday

[orchid briar]

so thats the way to make non delve difficult gameplay

[thorny wharf]

Blunderous

[cobalt dawn]

fixed: now deals 58+58

[grizzled sun]

i would like to know why a cetrain elite evoker in skr keep room can keep regen 200ish hp

[snow wharf]

That elite is weird I just crit it like 9 times instead of 3 and it dies

[tidal wing]

it heals when it hits you

[grizzled sun]

that

i see then

it just not fit my build

[orchid briar]

jst dont get hit

[grizzled sun]

yeah that's the answer i expected to get

not like i can really do it

i also dislike vex that apply floating and general build layout of new long keep room so far(current expereince it)

[orchid briar]

floating vex is super annoying

not a fan

[grizzled sun]

but i really like top lava part, it give u enough safe space and good spawner range, the end has 3 range enemy + 3 special spawner, but build may it managable which i really like

well at the end evoker elite can go to skill issue part
mainreason i dislike part of new skr keep style long combat room is some of it's encounter is ask u deal enemy has high hp, fast spawn + annoy floating vex annoy u, consider fast spawner is in mid, when I go deal with it i also trigger many spawner near it, which is quite annoy especially the fight space is small

[silver lake]

ilike that elite because id personally want elites to have like 1k hp tbh

[grizzled sun]

yeah is a dangerous elite

since most of my hate can go to shit wifi during night and not a build around it so even though i don't really like it i am fine with it

but the float vex...

pls kill it

[cerulean turtle]

Really like that section of the area

[nova mango]

^ this person has never played mage

[feral cliff]

it is a super elite

I can lower the healing a bit

[soft mist]

Mage can actually kinda deal with that, not as easely as other classes but it has it's ways

Elementalist has Arrows and Arcanist has to do a few cycles on it

[feral cliff]

^ I’ve been able to avoid letting it heal entirely once or twice as well on arcanist

[rigid oyster]

So super that some newer players tried to do a scroll and got stuck there for a long 15 minutes trying to kill that one elite

[feral cliff]

shout out to definition of insanity maybe

[rigid oyster]

The answer is to now either skip past the healing evoker elite or give the combat scrolls to cqmera to do for u if you’re not confident in your build

[worthy pivot]

1k health elites 🤮

elementalist players on suicide watch i think

[remote nebula]

wdym scout elementalist has good ST output

[worthy pivot]

💤

i tried starfall spam recently and its like

[remote nebula]

bleak?

yeah

[worthy pivot]

worse than arcanist AND it feels worse to play

[remote nebula]

there are many gripes i have with elementalist but this isnt the thread for it

[worthy pivot]

one day....

[remote nebula]

i will probably DM a lot of the prominent mage players and gather a lot of opinions before i make a full bore feedback post about ele

[slender garden]

Arcanist would nuke that with a prism reset tbf

[slender garden]

Time to bring out the 700 damage meteors

[sweet wigeon]

i managed to kill the evoker elite quick once on ele arrows

[nova mango]

you forgot that prism reset is not real

[slender garden]

I would post a clip of it melting a twisted but do I really wanna

[feral cliff]

prism is kind of unholy

[harsh hill]

@twin patio

wool-on-wool insulting

[twin patio]

So true i am the devil's incarnation

[grizzled sun]

lol

[feral cliff]

I mean I'd be curious to see it

im not going to clip based balance and neuter it because of a single bumkers clip

[slender garden]

Heard that one before chief

[feral cliff]

im not on balance team bruh

[slender garden]

Deception

[feral cliff]

does he think im evil

[twin patio]

You are indeed evil charging

[nova mango]

ofc youy would you clip propaganda spreader

[feral cliff]

sobbing why is it at 7 checkmarks

9?

[harsh hill]

double digits soon mr devil

[nova mango]

didnt you think its a good idea to have a 56dmg qc3 piercing elite

[slender garden]

multishot too

[harsh hill]

that sounds really funny ngl

[slender garden]

That's the type of crossbow a build sharder makes on their first day

[outer acorn]

Its elite isn't it

[feral cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074033334310682717/1330505235323555941/togif.gif

[nova mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206945599543320626/1342079913712160833/togif.gif

[feral cliff]

i am going to lower the

qc

to 0

[vapid bane]

Dev threatening innocent player caught on 4k camera

[slender garden]

The elite is honestly fine

these projectile fragility 4 mfs are weird

[feral cliff]

I mean its kind of absurdly statted

[harsh hill]

LOL

[slender garden]

Felt easier to kill than the piercing crossbow elite in Silvic Quarry 🤷‍♂️

[feral cliff]

o7

hey saves me one more thing to do tonight

[slender garden]

I'd consider that crossbow with 80 projectile damage absolutely more balanced than the state of r3 creepers

[outer acorn]

Oh yeah I forgot about that evil fuck

[slender garden]

Do you wanna be blown to shit by a 200 blast damage nuke that is a casual mob? 🫵

[feral cliff]

ugh creepers are so fucked

because the fall-off range scales with the physical explosion power, which is doubled by if they're powered or not

[slender garden]

Honestly, just halve their damage. Very frustrating mob for high ping chads

[feral cliff]

and over half of the creepers 8 are powered for visuals

[remote nebula]

nadir creepers vs melee :D

[feral cliff]

me when the creeper meant to make melees think makes melees think

idk I didnt make the mob

[outer acorn]

I'm gonna be real, do people actually struggle with creepers at all?

[feral cliff]

but I can just aim lower usually fine

[sweet wigeon]

slot in more blast prot

try this

[slender garden]

It's not even that, more so: Is there a 1 tap shitter in this crowd of mobs that will blast me into smithereens because my shield didn't get up fast enough

[remote nebula]

yeah pretty much

[slender garden]

Getting off topic with this, maybe one day I'll make a feedback post regarding them and crash out

[feral cliff]

indeed thats dubious

[feral cliff]

idc this thread is my hotline to players at this point

we talked about MR I think

[slender garden]

Bring it up internally perhaps 🤷‍♂️

[remote nebula]

charginguv general feedback thread when

[slender garden]

Creepers are just not healthy

soooo 2018

[outer acorn]

Unironic skill issue or something because shield timing has never killed me. I only get dropped by creepers that occasionally explode after bugging so their audio doesn't play behind me

[feral cliff]

How much of this is

1. creeper damage
2. blast fall-off-range
3. High Count spawners
4. thought-less spawner placements
5. aoe lacking issue

theres probably more but i cant think of factors rn

[remote nebula]

1 2 4 3 5 imo

[slender garden]

Having a mob that 1 taps point blank after spending an incredible amount of effort on mob diversity/spells is counter intuitive

[outer acorn]

In fact creepers are more often than not a net benefit to me as they'll offer free aoe dmg

[slender garden]

1 3 4

[thorny wharf]

So much anti creeper agenda lately I think

[feral cliff]

lmao

[slender garden]

Creepers are much more present in R3 compared to R2

[thorny wharf]

I think it’s 3 and 6 personally

[feral cliff]

I missed 6

[thorny wharf]

6 being r3 movement speed creep

[feral cliff]

that is true actually

[outer acorn]

El creeper is like... the soul of minecraft or something
Can we inundate r1 with fiercer creepers

[feral cliff]

and I think being slept on a bit

[slender garden]

Undelved Ex Willow creepers would 1 tap the average rogue build point blank

after delve scaling tho.. 🥴

[remote nebula]

not to rogues fault though, rogues these days are actually fairly bulky

[outer acorn]

The rogue tourists gave up and picked bers

No more glassoids

[slender garden]

Last I heard Willows creepers had 120 explosion damage base, that's enough damage to kill someone with 83%ish blast dr

[feral cliff]

honestly.. thats on the low end of recent creepers I think

[slender garden]

What the fuck 😭

[feral cliff]

@thorny wharf when we have time we should really go through and re-evaluate

[soft mist]

Honestly good, they have falloff and you can just shield them, you should almost die if you get hit

[feral cliff]

creepers have a place to be what they are

[remote nebula]

says the guy with Prismatic Shield

[feral cliff]

I think they've lost their way a bit

[thorny wharf]

Perschnapps

[slender garden]

Feels awkward that they spawn much more frequently and have more killing power than any elite in existence

[feral cliff]

@slender garden waiting on the prismatic clip still

[glad oak]

I didn't know eliux could possess people

[thorny wharf]

Not really that’s pretty medium

[remote nebula]

hello nicknon!!!

[sweet wigeon]

i feel like people do not build for blast prot at all

[slender garden]

Let me filter through my 900 shadowplays

[feral cliff]

has he seen skr mobs

[thorny wharf]

Well idk what recent values you’ve put on skr creepers

[feral cliff]

tbf those dont delve scale

[thorny wharf]

SKR mob stats are all your shenanigans

[feral cliff]

I'd rather pretend skr mobs dont exist I think

[outer acorn]

Also don't carry a mainhand shield

[feral cliff]

and I'll sleep better at night

[vapid bane]

@feral cliff prism reset here you go

[rigid oyster]

This doesnt matter, if it gets showed to a balance team dev by anyone we’re fucked

[glad oak]

god is dead and we killed him

[remote nebula]

this is actually just competitive keyboard smashing

[vapid bane]

We really did, didnt we

[feral cliff]

utter slop maybe

[thorny wharf]

Charging is secret balance overlord I think

The orchestrator

[remote nebula]

actual fucking slop

[feral cliff]

I just want to work on r1 man 😭

[remote nebula]

the world if r1 dungeons were cool

(rework white thanks)

[sweet wigeon]

white is necessary

[outer acorn]

White is cool though

[feral cliff]

white needs some love

[remote nebula]

white is where new players go to die

[soft mist]

In my defense Prism Shield wasn't like this when i left

🤣

[remote nebula]

(and the swamp apparently)

[feral cliff]

skull

[outer acorn]

It is only the swamp

[soft mist]

It was just the damage boost and healing without the reset

[sweet wigeon]

how to fix prismatic shield: replace it with a real ability

[feral cliff]

I was of this stance for months, panzers convinced me white has some issues

[remote nebula]

i know of another mage ability that could be worth doing on too

:x

[slender garden]

That wasn't an optimal burst but I think it saves me 2 hours of shifting through clips

[outer acorn]

New players (a single person who i will generalize to mean everyone) recently have been indignant about the idea of white being nerfed

[sweet wigeon]

insight

[feral cliff]

white just needs some navigation improvements imo

and recovering in the final section less punishing / unattainable

[outer acorn]

White isn't any worse than other dungeons but I agree if you are looking to perfect it

[sweet wigeon]

back in my day white didnt even have bone blocks to help guide you

[vapid bane]

ik, the fact that it isnt even optimally played makes it so much worse

[remote nebula]

the ghast encounter in the cave of winds on the right before the snake is uh

soulful

[feral cliff]

I think it gets extra attention just because of its proximity to the start of the game

[remote nebula]

very soulful

[rigid oyster]

Its the first dungeon

[outer acorn]

That works

[feral cliff]

and yes, we're looking to perfect the early game experience

[rigid oyster]

“Not any worse than the others” is a terrible bar to use when it sets the first impression

[remote nebula]

^

[feral cliff]

I mean in normal projects of any capacity you Do the First part last

but in monumenta the first part was made first

and it shows

[outer acorn]

I'm now just gonna use it out of spite because of the failure to infer that I'm totally on board with a white rework

Or something

[dense pendant]

what’s your ping

[outer acorn]

Like 0

[feral cliff]

he lives in the server room

[dense pendant]

yeahhhh that’s um why we disagree with you

[thorny wharf]

White could definitely have better navigation

[sweet wigeon]

if youre concerned about your shield not working

[outer acorn]

Ping based balancing economy

[sweet wigeon]

i have a solution

21.5 armor vs blast

actually insane item

[feral cliff]

when we release the creeper hunts boss this will be bis

[rigid oyster]

The ghasts in white also have some pretty drastic differences in difficulty depending on if u have a good bow or not

[feral cliff]

banish is just surviving

[outer acorn]

Honestly there's oftentimes moments where I swear I shielded after the creeper explosion but i still block it

[dense pendant]

i have 280ms ping

[sweet wigeon]

i think it should be called nam wa

[rigid oyster]

How much hp do they have again? Like 24?

[dense pendant]

my shield visually goes up on my screen and doesn’t block the explosion

[outer acorn]

Weird because even during tps or network spikes my shield is unusually consistent

Maybe I'm just using a client side God mode I forgot about

I do remember panderz asking me a while back about white "things that should be reworked" and I think I did say layout was a big thing
Though if you also have the time, I think the stair trimslop is an acquired hatred of mine. Seeing the r1 new lobby made me really want to see that sleeker look all throughout white

[feral cliff]

white commits the visual crime of floor + wall + ceiling being homogeneous

and you dont realize how bad it is until you realize how bad it is

[remote nebula]

white is ugly as sin yeah

[outer acorn]

I'd still do this on purpose in some contexts if I had to make the decision. Maybe not anywhere in monumenta

Some things are meant to be ugly or something

The classic "break the rules once you understand them" idk I don't want to sound too pretentious about being intentionally bad

[feral cliff]

i dont think white is intentionally visually displeasing

[outer acorn]

I don't think so either

I went on a tangent

[thorny wharf]

Real frozen earth quote I think

[slender garden]

@feral cliff Mossad ddosed me halfway but I think this one works

[feral cliff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911561413884002315/973195970445738034/image0-59.gif

[feral cliff]

thanks

[slender garden]

Aw hell nah

Knew this guy was capping

[feral cliff]

okay it finally downloaded

that was

a sight to behold

[remote nebula]

god is dead and we made him do it himself

[orchid briar]

suicide mage looks fun

[slender garden]

This is with tank mage btw

those bis sloppers would incinerate this

[feral cliff]

ah

maybe this feedback does not deserve the shredder

[orchid briar]

cant allow mage do alch things

[rigid oyster]

#gameplay-discussion message has this been brought up in here

[silver lake]

what

oh is it unrandomized...

[rigid oyster]

Yes

Seems like the default board is set seed

[tidal wing]

i asked here earlier

and bug reported later

[silver lake]

crondis is aware

[cursive sphinx]

Crondis is simply too busy playing Xenoblade X to get to it before update night

[high trout]

man xenoblade X is the only game in the franchise I have no interest in playing

anyways lets go back on topic before this goes too far

[weak lake]

Yeah, try this
https://ohthemisery.vercel.app/builder/m=Hand-Cranked Gearshield-4&o=Hungering Moonbeams-4&h=Stoneward Helm&c=EX Broodhide Tunic-4&l=Reforged Greaves-4&b=Stoneward Boots&charm=None

[warm pebble]

every arcanist clip is like 30 seconds to kill one twisted 💔

[slender garden]

But it's flashy 🥺

[slender garden]

@feral cliff Are you capable of fixing these brown elites

They need some sort of iframes to their attacks brah

[feral cliff]

trying to comprehend the first death and failing

[slender garden]

It's the electric spark beam that the foreman makes with the glowy wither skeleton

[feral cliff]

dude I couldn’t even see it

my eyes are so shot

[slender garden]

[feral cliff]

I can take a look to see if theres iframe shenanigans

[slender garden]

Please take a look at the second clip sir

how is this fair

[feral cliff]

I’d be willing to bet you just got shotgunned into oblivion

[glad oak]

I think I never comprehended the situation where a player would be walking straight in the same direction as it

and then you also got melee hit

[slender garden]

The compliance drone is much more problematic

that astral ahh attack is present in combat fishings aswell and it's just as bad

[glad oak]

that also might? be double damage because of the second elite also lining the same mob
which ideally wouldnt cause double dmg but making that have iframes while working the same in other situations would be :3

most of our astral-outside-of-astral mobs haven't been great I think it'd be worth looking at them

[slender garden]

Leave the foreman dude as is, that was an extremely unfortunate situation

The astral attack could have lower damage / iframes tho

[weak gulch]

In one of the short combat rooms ,1 of the phantom elites is invincible until you break the spawner in the air . There are also like 8 of those spawner protected mobs.

[silver lake]

yeah its peak

[rigid oyster]

I still cannot comprehend why anyone thought this was a good idea

Giving an enemy no iframes and true dmg and affected by delve modifiers seems incredibly overpowered

[old flicker]

it has those?????? since when. i never noticed guiding bone blocks...

[weak gulch]

i think this farrady cage combination is literally impossible cause it forces you to get 3 1 height puzzles

[cursive sphinx]

No, it doesn't

[weak gulch]

how come ? that green is correct cause of the yellow and blue given ones

the green 2 height

and that forces a 1 height yellow

yellow is the only common colour in all 4 in that row

[cursive sphinx]

If you think are you have an "impossible" generation, you simply having something incorrect and should reconsider your approach

In this case, yes green is probably correct, but it does not force yellow to be height 1

[weak gulch]

i restarted 3 times and it was right at the start of my approach , like the only possibility was a 3rd 1 height puzzle that was yellow

[white merlin]

if this is talking about drillsite. i love it

peak encounter design

whoever made that cooked so hard

[weak gulch]

flying invincible phantom elite that throws tnt that 1taps and you have to build up 10 blocks to get the spawner

[silver lake]

its peak

[worthy pivot]

Saving this thank you

[molten ginkgo]

release arx spirensis?

[outer acorn]

that tnt 1 shots like half of builds at 25pt still 🔥

[feral cliff]

that guy should not be 1tapping

thats an unscaled arx mob and you’re hopefully in mw3/4, if not infused

[cobalt dawn]

check the build and it's 60 blast ehp

[cerulean turtle]

Is it intended that you don't get scroll fragents from gallery?

[rigid oyster]

I think they just forgot bcuz gallery was closed when frag drops were being implemented

[dense pendant]

@feral cliff

[silver lake]

That is in fact true

Gallery rates may be over or under tuned rn too

[rigid oyster]

Would need 4 ppl to be willing to speedfarm easter egg to tell i guess

[silver lake]

I dont want gallery to be bis farm nor does charging so we will figure it oit

[remote nebula]

that arx mob hits like an absolute freight train, to be fair

[mortal tartan]

after playing a bit i would like to request something like "de-aggro evokers on player death"

especially in rooms where it loops around and the end is sort of near the start

because they have seemingly infinite range with the fangs and it turns the game into "play touhou on the way back to your grave because you made the mistake of existing near an evoker once"

[feral cliff]

good realization- no its not intentional

current gallery rates pre-date scroll frag drops being added everywhere

[cerulean turtle]

From my limited experience they seem very under tuned

[molten ginkgo]

gallery balance is not allowed to be profit

[elder cypress]

skr has kinda made doing dungeons pointless

[cobalt dawn]

can you get scrolls in dungeons

[elder cypress]

idk

but blue is 8 hours

the 12 shortest pois are not 8 hours

pois>dungeons (also it gives frags for sequence so yk)

[cobalt dawn]

blue is 8 hours??

[elder cypress]

maybe 6

maybe 5

maybe 4

[cobalt dawn]

five??

[elder cypress]

but pois are still shorter

[cobalt dawn]

four I can see if you're VERY slow...

but this is party to party probably?

[elder cypress]

i was going off like a chat message like maybe year ago that apparently blue longest dugneon according emerald visions idk

maybe i need better sources

[worthy pivot]

its an hour fifteen at max lmao

[elder cypress]

nah

id say its probably like 2.5-3

or 2 maybe depending on build

idk if dungeons even give like a guarenteed scroll idk

or frags

but 2 hours for a frag is terrible

might as well do 10 min nadir

[outer acorn]

im not sure I understand the complaint

[dense pendant]

dungeons don't give SKR

[elder cypress]

pois better

[outer acorn]

once skr isn't as hot, the issue vanishes

[elder cypress]

itll always be hot

the prices might drop a bit

but like they will still be highish

[cobalt dawn]

ok dungeons should give skr

[elder cypress]

guarenteed scroll maybe

[cobalt dawn]

Nah that's like ex pdia

[elder cypress]

pdias are like 2 har bruh

[cobalt dawn]

me omw to speedrun dungeons for an instant 14 scrolls that can't be split between my party

[elder cypress]

or less

[elder cypress]

i would hope the game isnt balanced around lootrunning lol

[cobalt dawn]

Well then. Don't make it give a guaranteed

could be for a challenge comp

That would be cool maybe

[elder cypress]

challenge comp for a scroll
my guy 12 pois give a scroll
12 pois is like 2 hours or smth lol

or less

challenge u gotta like play the game

[outer acorn]

challenge comp for a scroll is fire

[cobalt dawn]

"holy shit, two cakes"

[elder cypress]

yeah nah ill do nadir and tolum

[azure oriole]

is the point of dungeons not delve materials and Pdiamonds?

I dont see how this has that much crossover with SKR

[elder cypress]

challenge for scroll is like so bad

[outer acorn]

do them, who cares

[cobalt dawn]

I do not know what the "point" of dungeons is i just think challenge comp -> scroll is cool

[azure oriole]

r3 challenges are very free and that discourages people from ever playing casually

[elder cypress]

i think thats a terrible exchange
like why would u ever do a challenge dungeon for a scroll
when u can do 12pt pois lol

[outer acorn]

the line of reasoning is shallow because you'd do the fastest way to get skr scrolls anyways
me when "skrs have made doing pois besides nadir pointless"

[elder cypress]

pois will prob be fastest anyways
but dungeons kinda sad why even bother

[outer acorn]

not gonna do any runs of black mist because no skr scrolls

[cobalt dawn]

The year is 2027. Monumenta is now completely based around SKRs/minute. Nadir still reigns supreme by .0013 scrolls/year.

[azure oriole]

I was kinda confused at first why dungeons didnt give scrolls, but like it makes sense. Loot should be distributed across multiple things . I simply would not do POIs if dungeons gave scrolls

[elder cypress]

my point is
doing pois
is
always

faster

its that simple bruh

why do dungeons

[outer acorn]

why play video games

[elder cypress]

pois prob give more profit anyways

[azure oriole]

because POI is really unprofitable even with scroll drops

[elder cypress]

no?

[cobalt dawn]

Maybe I don't play with the idea of optimizing profit all the time...

[elder cypress]

blue/brown will still be slower than pois
but like atleast yk u could do them for a scroll
like id do a dungeon if it wasnt to slow and just not worth it to do them burh

[azure oriole]

pois only have like 4-5 chests that are of the same quality of dungeon chests and theres always 100+ of those (all close together too).

Like even if you dont lootrun, dungeon just has much more. Scroll is only way for poi to compete

[elder cypress]

scroll+fragments=sequence scroll and like 20-25 har per sequence

[cobalt dawn]

for someone who does not want the game to be balanced around lootrunning you certainly seem to be playing like you're lootrunning

[elder cypress]

mfw when i want dungeons to be more worth doing=u want to optimize profits

[azure oriole]

brown is also like 30 har and doesn't require rng to find access to it.

[elder cypress]

brown is not 30 har

[outer acorn]

yes, unironically

[elder cypress]

???

[azure oriole]

its like 10 raw har + diamonds + rares + delve materials, can easily add up to 30

[outer acorn]

When I play something I literally don't care what I get from it as long as its not like 0

[elder cypress]

ok cool
anyways pois are generally cooler anyways

[molten ginkgo]

i just like short combat content and puzzles so i like doing the scroll content and still dont like doing the other content to get the scrolls

[outer acorn]

yeah that's fair

[elder cypress]

imo blue and brown are just too long bruh
like blue is cool but flying dolphins are bad
and brown feels so monotomous its insane u just clearing and clearing and clearing until it ends

[azure oriole]

eh 50% of brown playtime is just getting lost, its honestly not that big

but with practice you get lost less and it starts getting faster and faster

[elder cypress]

idk ive done brown like 6 times in more than year

and blue 7

[cobalt dawn]

tbh I think 4 people will clear 12 pois at about the same speed as a dungeon in r3

[elder cypress]

i wanna test that

but i did like 3 pois already

[mortal tartan]

i still think weekly nskt should have like 50% chance for one

but not every dungeon

[elder cypress]

sskt

[elder cypress]

rares turn to dias, so like idk about 30

[cerulean turtle]

I'd also like to mention that that only applies to weekly poi completions, so it's only once per week you would get to do 12 pois for a guaranteed scroll. Non weekly it'd be more around 25 pois for a scroll

[slender garden]

It is like 40 - 60 minutes sir

[primal stratus]

As someone who plays too much, dungeons are great and I always do them on top of everything else in r3 and they are just so much more worth than doing pois over and over

It’s guaranteed mats and rares + great for XP

Most take me an 1-2 hours to full clear (mining all spawners)

The longest one is probably ex yellow… not even blue or brown 😭

[hoary flint]

just popping in to say i like skr for the most part

long combats having 570 hp elites is 🥴

and long combats have such a variance in chest counts is also 🥴

but otherwise they are nice

[silver lake]

the variance was already nerfed but when you have 50 spawner rooms vs 120 spawner rooms you cant just have it give 12 chests for both

[hoary flint]

no, sorry talking about long combat vs long combat

12 chest long combat vs 18 chest...

its a wierd thing for me idk

[hoary flint]

ah, ok then

simply give each long combat the same number of spawners

[rigid oyster]

Most of this conversation sounds like it boils down to a skill issue on collision’s part

[rigid oyster]

If u turn them into pdias instead of selling them at uwus you get a few har less, it’s 2.5-3 har for 2 dgn rares vs 2 har from turning them into pdias directly

And as others have pointed out, you’re both taking way way too long to do blue/brown and using first weekly completion drop rates for pois which only apply once for the week

[hoary flint]

well. just got a 6-6-12 sequence scroll

[wispy swan]

sir i clear challenge blue faster

[hoary flint]

whoever put this chest here i will be fighting you

[primal stratus]

Best chest

[rigid oyster]

why does this building in lier inquisition long combat have a bunch of small armor stands everywhere

[silver lake]

My bad!

[molten ginkgo]

are they graves?

[hoary flint]

i just want a peaceful discussion with you.

[rigid oyster]

this is an skr, there shouldn't be any1 in this instance with me, no?

[silver lake]

Its just they fell from the trees

[rigid oyster]

trees?

[silver lake]

I think it was tree deco

[orchid briar]

sir i got three of those in a row

[hoary flint]

love rolling the worst outcome!!!

[hoary flint]

i actually fw this vine parkour

[hoary flint]

feedback for the vine parkour, the only thing I would like added, is some indication of where the vine parkour starts

I only knew the vine parkour existed because other people talked about it, and the singular oddly placed redstone torch, and only after bouncing on it, the slime block in front of it

[white merlin]

the indicators i had put were the carpets which are supposed to lead to the vines and the slightly off-looking stone poking out of the wall - i was told to remove the redstone torches i originally had placed to indicate the full path

[old flicker]

@elder cypress u know what skr is?
overworld replayability content. not dungeon. it encourages daily activity (weekly for pois) and all content which gives scrolls can be run mutiples times a week or even a day. dungeons are just once per week and are not ow content in any way. dungeons are rewarding enough already. you also talk like skr the main content of monumenta which its not

[low jetty]

I’ve said this already too but SKR’s biggest benefit for me is making me interested in running content I wouldn’t normally usually run

I’ve actually been doing my daily Sirius way more often

oh and the puzzles and rooms are also awesome

[harsh hill]

Yeah but how long is that gonna happen for really

[low jetty]

A long time for me probably

[orchid briar]

yea main thing skr did was make people play usually untouched content

game feels less dead

[elder cypress]

pois were never dead

but ig fishing was

[orchid briar]

godspore

sirius

strikes are ran more often and fishing

but ngl even skr wont make me do fishing

[elder cypress]

its fun fr do it

[orchid briar]

i did enough to decide that i am not touching that again

[harsh hill]

bro before skr mat prices were 48 sell

now they're 12

remove skr 💔

[orchid briar]

add a godspore infusion!!

[primal stratus]

Godspore needs an infusion

[snow wharf]

Or a pdia trade, or both

[soft mist]

I think without SKR i would have already stopped playing the game untill the next content relase

Reading that it relased was actually what got me to give the game a try again after so many years

[silver lake]

Thats nice to hear

[dense kindle]

That’s awesome to hear man. Also super good to see you active and around again

[nova mango]

so what do you plan on doing after you do the 12 pois? wait a whole week? do nothing else? or maybe grind 12 more pois that probably wont give you a scroll and like 2 frags at most

ofc the rates of something you can only do once a week will be way better

compared to something you can do 9 times

[old flicker]

people now do mass group all 19 poi clears for weekly which is funny

u just steamroll through pois

[elder cypress]

idk how long it would take to do 12 pois
pois also give like 1 frag a poi kinda not 2 frags for 7 more

[nova mango]

pois after weekly do not give "like 1 frag per"

[old flicker]

https://youtu.be/GjHQdE3-I2Y

wth is that enderman elite

its so confusing

that worm elite is just dull?

no ability or anything

[rigid oyster]

Worm wasnt an elite, it didnt have a yellow name no?

[old flicker]

it exploded

supernova

elite finisher

[rigid oyster]

Ah

[old flicker]

also 540 hp or smt

rootway outskirts btw

[clear remnant]

It has the ability of being a scary worm

[old flicker]

grumm worm

[outer acorn]

Can we get an easier way to backtrack through The Forgeway? On first clear I want to find the chests myself (the platonic ideal of blind runs) and having to pillar up is crazy
maybe actually its pretty based what am I saying

[rigid oyster]

Crate full of ladders at the bottom pls

[snow wharf]

Infinite ladder farm too powerful

[outer acorn]

BTW whispering ossurary is fucking awesome. The encounters in a couple of rooms are just peak and force me to take them on in interesting ways. I almost am jealous

[high trout]

glad you like it

it was a fun process to build

I think I made it in the span of like 2 weeks

minus one week in between because I was on a 1 week trip

this might be my best layout design