🪹the-sepulchre-arg

[supple pulsar]

let's do a bit of

thinking.

a bit of abductive thinking of you will

the last sentence is

J'jw bdkh pepkwja, rhsbatkh jm axokd hx.

there is, notable, presence of an apostrophe, comma, and a dot, which most likely means that some of the words ARE spelled out right and have the same numbers of characters as the decrypted counterpart instead of being several words put together

[snow perch]

could we do letter substitution

[supple pulsar]

let's take a look at all possibilities.

[supple pulsar]

as in a=c? c=a? wouldn't work, because J'jw has two of the same letters, and there's no contraction with two letters that way, if I'm not mistaken

[snow perch]

alr

[supple pulsar]

so

J'jw bdkh pepkwja, rhsbatkh jm axokd hx.

let's firstly look at that j'jw

let's start from the assumption that it is a decrypted word and it's spelled right

what words can it be?

[dawn saddle]

I’ve

[supple pulsar]

i'll, i've

any others that are commonly used?

[dawn saddle]

Not really

[supple pulsar]

none more come to mind to me

okay

so let's look at both

let's say that, like the text above, we're working with trifid -> caesar, but there's a key.

what trifid key do we need to turn j'jv to i'll or i've in caesar?

considering that we'll still use the rest of the sentence

[dawn saddle]

I’ll leave it to you guys I’m genuinely sitting on the toilet rn 😭

[autumn geyser]

damn

[snow perch]

why cant you just

[autumn geyser]

shitter thoughts time

[snow perch]

be the thinker

[supple pulsar]

so

[dawn saddle]

My brain turns off when I shit

[supple pulsar]

for it to be "ILL" working with the entire sentence, the first three letters must translate to "PSS" in plaintext

[dawn saddle]

Does that mean “I’ve” could be ruled out as well

[snow perch]

trifid cipher keys cant have duplicate characters right?

[supple pulsar]

no, just working I'LL first

[supple pulsar]

yep

boxentriq site really thinks its bifid, but that's assuming that the text directly translates to english

[snow perch]

yeah, thats what orgianally sent me down the path of bifid but i didnt find anything useful

[shrewd yarrow]

alrighty, folks. I have to go get ready for another exciting(notreally) work day!

[autumn geyser]

good luck

[shrewd yarrow]

thx

ttyl

[supple pulsar]

gl linch

[autumn geyser]

This might be what is taking the longest to crack so far

cause IIRC A2 was no more than 2 days

This has been going on for two now

[snow perch]

have fun!

[snow perch]

feels like a week

i hate ciphers too, i suck with them 💀

def not my strong suit

[autumn geyser]

Same

[snow perch]

good thing you guys are cracked

[autumn geyser]

I like them but only when I can actually make progress

Which is never

[snow perch]

lmao yeah

[autumn geyser]

The internet has ruined my attention span so bad that I need constant reward

I really need to fix that sometime istg

[snow perch]

i need dopamine vro

[supple pulsar]

The struggle is what makes this worth it more

[rigid sphinx]

Oh don't worry. I'm working on some home grown cryptographs that'll be even more annoying to work with, since y'all won't have a whole lot of online resources ready to break them.

[supple pulsar]

You all are lucky to get anything within two days, I've been in ARG's that don't get solved for weeks on end 💀

[autumn geyser]

i swear to god

[radiant sonnet]

at least we're not in the tutorial anymore (?)

[snow perch]

whats the worst thing i can say to you that wont get me muted or banned

[rigid sphinx]

I mean, you're free to fire here

This is my channel

[snow perch]

fuck you 😭

im kidding ily

[rigid sphinx]

Honestly there's nothing you could call me that I wouldn't deserve

[snow perch]

one sec

[autumn geyser]

I'm going to go to your house and singlehandedly dismantle every single piece of your plumbing over the course of months

[snow perch]

1.362.3019.2813

[radiant sonnet]

im going to shit on your doorstep and put a cammelia flower on top of it

[autumn geyser]

lmao

[snow perch]

there is a pipebomb in your mailbox

[radiant sonnet]

dude homegrown ciphers are gonna be rooough

tbh the lore is pretty worth it tho

[autumn geyser]

Yep

[radiant sonnet]

the sepulchre made ready or not so much more interesting

[shrewd yarrow]

Oh gwensustion 2.0

Here we gooooo

[snow perch]

the problem we had with this puzzle, is that we were overwhelmed. We might be a lot less with these, because we know what we're working toward

and now we know theyd be homegrown

[snow perch]

and this ARG is pretty fun to try and figure out. Getting the brain working again after a summer of brainrot

[rigid sphinx]

Honestly it's mostly because y'all focus on the current piece as the only piece to the puzzle, not counting hints. :>

[snow perch]

thats a hint in it of itself

[rigid sphinx]

-since you already decoded the stuff that required the key, I don't feel too bad telling you.

[autumn geyser]

Wait

did we actually

[snow perch]

lmao was that actually right

[autumn geyser]

Did we get those three words correctly

no way

[snow perch]

thats CRAZY

[radiant sonnet]

it was actually ketamine?

hell yeah

[rigid sphinx]

The key for the decode was this:

and Lily gave you the missing letters via gwyn

[autumn geyser]

LMAO

And we just went out and solved it with monkey brain predictions and guessing

I love that so much

[rigid sphinx]

[snow perch]

Reach out beyond was the key

[supple pulsar]

LMAOOO

[snow perch]

?

are you fucking kidding me

[rigid sphinx]

Nope, the full message is

[autumn geyser]

reach out beyond the flesh

[snow perch]

I ONLY WROTE REACH OUT BEYOND FOR ONE OF THE KEYS

[autumn geyser]

ah this flesh

[snow perch]

ARE YTOU SERIOUS

[autumn geyser]

God that's so fucking funny

[supple pulsar]

bro 💀

[radiant sonnet]

[snow perch]

FUCK

[autumn geyser]

I cannot believe we just went full monke and solved it with predictions and context

[radiant sonnet]

🫵 🐵

[rigid sphinx]

Hence:

[snow perch]

im 41l myself

[rigid sphinx]

Everything exists for a reason

[radiant sonnet]

dude i knew it was something

[supple pulsar]

💀

was that only the word ketamine

[snow perch]

i freaking hate this

[rigid sphinx]

You all are still missing the words in the nested cipher

[autumn geyser]

Oh it's nested is it

Interesting

[supple pulsar]

😭

[snow perch]

bazinga

[rigid sphinx]

two seperate ciphers in one sentance, yes.

[autumn geyser]

Yeah that's true, we are missing yellow still

[supple pulsar]

us

[autumn geyser]

oh

[rigid sphinx]

Everything that's a full line, you guys have solved

[autumn geyser]

interesting

that's peculiar

[radiant sonnet]

what on gods green earth is MLO doing with ketamine

[autumn geyser]

obviously getting high on their own supply

[rigid sphinx]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Polybius%2C_coinop.org.jpeg

[supple pulsar]

💀

[radiant sonnet]

je ne comprende

[rigid sphinx]

-and this is what we call a perfectly timed peek behind the curtain

[radiant sonnet]

😮

[rigid sphinx]

Like actually do you not know Polybius, boom?

[radiant sonnet]

never heard of it

[snow perch]

how far are we with this ARG? how many puzzles we gotta solve?

[rigid sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7X6Yeydgyg&pp=ygUIUG9seWJpdXM%3D

[radiant sonnet]

holy moly

[snow perch]

when I was a kid there was a polybius reference in a roblox game, thats the only reason i know about it

[rigid sphinx]

Y'all are nearing the end of the tutorial

[snow perch]

or figured out about*

[autumn geyser]

damn

thats gonna be rough

[snow perch]

🥳

[autumn geyser]

kaminskys gearing up to give us the ultimate gutpunch soon

[rigid sphinx]

Once the Tutorial is done though

[autumn geyser]

get ready to sit staring at the same words for 5 weeks straight fellas

[rigid sphinx]

all gloves are off

less hints

more obscure refrences and info

[radiant sonnet]

so MLO is fucking around with psychological expirements 😮

thats huge

[rigid sphinx]

and tougher puzzles, item hunts for information, and IRL content.

[autumn geyser]

Ah god that's gonna be rough

[radiant sonnet]

we need more people to partake

[rigid sphinx]

You all have already pulled in quite a few extras

as we ramp up, you'll natrually attract people

[snow perch]

That’s gonna be fun fr

[autumn geyser]

Yep

[rigid sphinx]

esp' after content leaks over to completely unrelated channels.

[snow perch]

And miserable 😭

[radiant sonnet]

i think we should also make a new doc thats a little less overwhelming for new people so its easier to catch up

once were out of tutorial i mean

[snow perch]

Fr

[autumn geyser]

Yeah true

[shrewd yarrow]

@rigid sphinx you mean to tell me, i said the keyword outloud.... 4days ago.

[rigid sphinx]

YUP

[autumn geyser]

lmao no way

[rigid sphinx]

I was

geeking out

so hard

[shrewd yarrow]

omg

facedesk

[snow perch]

We can take this puzzle and evaluate ourselves

We skimmed over a lot of seemingly important things

[radiant sonnet]

i think we should keep in mind previous parts of the ARG will come into play

its a puzzle and the pieces connect

Certified ARG Moment™️

[shrewd yarrow]

yep

tho i am impressed we cracked it without it

[rigid sphinx]

☝️

[snow perch]

I think we really need to make a neater document

[rigid sphinx]

Everything provided and solved is a resource

[radiant sonnet]

i think it might be more user friendly if we do like a google slides

[rigid sphinx]

tbh that's also why I wanted a full on Tutorial, so that the core crew could get their recording style style down, so that you're not doing a reconfigure mid-ARG

[snow perch]

That EXACTLY what I was thinking

[snow perch]

Yeah we should really make a reform though

I’m down to help that too ofc

[rigid sphinx]

Actually

Do you all want a ARG VC?

[radiant sonnet]

we could do a google slides for confirmed/solved stuff, and then a google doc as a "working" document

[snow perch]

Sure

[autumn geyser]

Oh hell yea

[snow perch]

We should get access to GIFS to to REALLY get our point accross

[autumn geyser]

True

[radiant sonnet]

would it also be possible to have a separate channel for lilies messages? theres been a few times where ive missed them, not to mention having to search for their messages each time

[autumn geyser]

We need gif access purely so I can send "minor spelling mistake" when there's a spelling mistake

[snow perch]

Yeah scrolling is really annoying

And we get yelled at for copy pasta

[radiant sonnet]

not a huge deal tbh, would just be easier to kinda catch up with whats going on

[autumn geyser]

What if we keep the current doc just revamp some of the parts of it that we do/don't need and then we get the google slides thing as a very condensed and only the important information part

[radiant sonnet]

thats what i was thinking yeah

[snow perch]

sure

[rigid sphinx]

hey, that shouldn't happen anymore

[autumn geyser]

Eeeh

knowing your track record it very well might

[snow perch]

if only you made a minor spelling mistake 💀

[radiant sonnet]

google slides would be for the solved stuff so its super easy for someone new to onboard

[rigid sphinx]

also tbf, the keeping track of lily is part of the bit

[radiant sonnet]

fair enough

[autumn geyser]

damn

we thought the arg was about solving ciphers and whatnot

little did we know

it was actually keeping up with what lilies eyes is saying

[snow perch]

maybe the ARG were the friends we made along the way

[rigid sphinx]

They're meant to be a || .......... you think I was gonna tell you? :^)||

[radiant sonnet]

hot take

what if lilies eyes

is the mole

[snow perch]

ITS MORSE CODE

[radiant sonnet]

and their messages are the leaks

[rigid sphinx]

btw can you all see #1267561154755035270 ?

[radiant sonnet]

yep

[autumn geyser]

yes

[rigid sphinx]

ayo

[snow perch]

i see

[rigid sphinx]

in a meeting right now, but I'll hop in in a sec to vibe for a bit

:>

[autumn geyser]

damn

sounds good

ill be on for a little longer in a sec cause i gotta go do some other stuff

[radiant sonnet]

id join in but i should really be working on school stuff lol

exams coming up soon

[rigid sphinx]

kek

[vagrant stump]

my mods still aint working

[autumn geyser]

huh

[vagrant stump]

since the new update my mods quit working and all my progress was deleted

[radiant sonnet]

wrong channel

[vagrant stump]

oh

[shrewd yarrow]

#🔧modding-chat

[rigid sphinx]

2.0 Doc [NOTE: FOR REFRENCE RIGHT NOW. POST WILL BE EDITED AFTER TUTORIAL FINISH.]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t5p5kZNz_RxjQq10YZIZUkOrwfy1inxgU3BHPnD68Uk/edit?usp=sharing

[supple pulsar]

yes

i mean

ill be the only one in it

but sure

[snow perch]

linas, kaminsky, linch and I were just in a call

[supple pulsar]

oh.

[snow perch]

💀

[supple pulsar]

and i didnt get an invite? smh

[eager atlas]

Not cool enough

[supple pulsar]

:(

[snow perch]

you need to be a level 100 mafia boss to enter

[autumn geyser]

Lmao

I'm heading off to bed now but I do wanna note

Kaminsky essentially told us to look at the previous stuff to get the answers and keys and whatnot

And that tracks so far with the first two ciphers

So I'd say for the last one try looking back at the previous stuff, anything not used should be checked

[snow perch]

alr, ill help that later

[autumn geyser]

If it's not done by the time I wake up, I plan on filling in the slides tmr with only the most crucial info

[snow perch]

i can also help w that later

gn

[wise robin]

of course

[rigid sphinx]

Well y'all got it now

:>

[wise robin]

thanks maet

mate*

it's gonna be way easier sorting stuff out now and communicating in general

[rigid sphinx]

[sacred dawn]

Schizos gonna schiz in there

[supple pulsar]

did anyone already try to decode J'jw bdkh pepkwja, rhsbatkh jm axokd hx. with the "reachoutbeyondtheflesh" key?

[shrewd yarrow]

Dont think so?

[supple pulsar]

also

what encryption is the key for?

[uncut portal]

This is the schizo chat dude

😡

[shrewd yarrow]

Trying to remeber what kaminsky said it was either vieg into baut or baut into vieg

[supple pulsar]

I'm in the sep vc if anyone wants to figure it out with me 😭

[hot obsidian]

GOSH DANG IT I PUT 56 VARIATIONS OF THIS AND FLESH BUT NOT THE WHOLE DERN THING

[snow perch]

same 😭

[rigid sphinx]

[hot obsidian]

I weep, and wait in lie for the next Gabagool

[shrewd yarrow]

pats Whiskey i didnt think about it all at least you were a step ahead of me

[shrewd yarrow]

Wish i could, i am at work 😦

[hallow wren]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-sopranos-james-joseph-gandolfini-jr-gif-15850296

[supple pulsar]

cmon guys we got this

(we haven't got this)

[dawn saddle]

“I came and I conquered.”
“No you didn’t did you?”

[rigid sphinx]

fym next

Y'all ain't done yet

[hot obsidian]

HUH

[supple pulsar]

we havent decrypted the lastl ine

nevermind, i decrypted it

also, kaminsky was trolling us

it wasn't "ketamine", it was "compound"

kinda similar though

nor was it by bag and mouth or whatever

it was by gun and by knife

so you all really fell for it 😭

key for the words was

reachoutbeyondtheflesh

through beau, standard

[snow perch]

fuckin potato potaughto

close enough 😭

[shrewd yarrow]

Interesting!

[radiant sonnet]

i thought the last letter had to be the same as the second letter

[supple pulsar]

not necesarily, if its vigenere the decryption method makes it work differently

[shrewd yarrow]

Well make sure to update the doc Kos

[supple pulsar]

i already did

😭

[shrewd yarrow]

Lmao

[supple pulsar]

STOP TRUSTING THIS MAN

Also updated the used methods to add beaufort, since it was that in which the words were encrypted

[radiant sonnet]

so he just straight up gave us the key then

[snow perch]

Even after our heartfelt conversation the be betrays us

[snow perch]

Yeah pretty much

[supple pulsar]

@rigid sphinx im not inviting you to my birthday party after that :(

[hot obsidian]

This is why I suggested what I did

No, no invite him....

then we do what the lilly comammanndndssssss

[shrewd yarrow]

hyponotized eyes all hail the great lilies.

[rigid sphinx]

[shrewd yarrow]

:)

Yay 2.5hrs til work is over

[supple pulsar]

Gentlemen, we can officially declare this code broken

[snow perch]

how it feels trying to recieve ANY source of information from kaminsky

[supple pulsar]

bro really forgot linas

[snow perch]

sec

[supple pulsar]

good

[supple pulsar]

@rigid sphinx pls pin

[rigid sphinx]

Perfection

[shrewd yarrow]

Omg

[snow perch]

Hell yeah

[shrewd yarrow]

Thats amazing

[snow perch]

@rigid sphinx

Send the thing

[shrewd yarrow]

1sec i have an idea...

@boreal kite "the compound takes us up to heaven
by gun and by knife pill and powder
on the wings of angels we go
the kingdom of god and the children of man gone" what does this mean?

Now we have done it properly

[snow perch]

Is that the completed paragraph?

[shrewd yarrow]

Aye

Kos cracked the rest

[snow perch]

Good job kos

[supple pulsar]

you know whats funny

last night i was about to bruteforce beau on the last sentence

[snow perch]

I’m gonna paste that text back onto the original image, so we can decipher it in it’s context

[supple pulsar]

which would've given us the answer

but my girlfriend distracted me 💀

so blame my gf for not getting this sooner

[snow perch]

Break up with her

💀

Kidding

[rigid sphinx]

the thing?

[supple pulsar]

never trusting boxentriq's fucking cypher identificator

[rigid sphinx]

sorry, was acquiring sammich

[supple pulsar]

it thought the last line was bifid instead of beau

💀

it worked fine for the dudes solving cicadia

[snow perch]

:yea:

[rigid sphinx]

I'll just

do this

[supple pulsar]

uhoh

ITS ONLINE

ITS ONLINE

[snow perch]

Ooh

[rigid sphinx]

There.

Now y'all can use it

[snow perch]

ily

[rigid sphinx]

[radiant sonnet]

It’s really just an estimated guess

[snow perch]

I literally had to take a screenshot of it to send it with my friends 💀

Let’s goo

[radiant sonnet]

[snow perch]

He speaks

[supple pulsar]

oh boy

lilies is texting

[snow perch]

hes yapping

[shrewd yarrow]

Lol

[hot obsidian]

PAPA

[boreal kite]

the miscreants took the children from their homes
brought them to a foreign place, beneath the gaze of The Lost
took their minds to heaven but left their bodies to rot
until the agent and his compatriots took them home

[snow perch]

there we are

[hot obsidian]

The port?

[snow perch]

thats what im thinking

the 'people who behave badly' kidnapping the kids

[shrewd yarrow]

Possible

Theres also voll heath

[supple pulsar]

hmmm, im not so sure

[shrewd yarrow]

Or maybe dealership

[supple pulsar]

im mixed in the meaning

[snow perch]

unrelated but heres he previous puzzle

[shrewd yarrow]

It matches

[supple pulsar]

you need to add the uh

last line there

[snow perch]

oh oops

[supple pulsar]

important

[snow perch]

its off the screen 💀

[snow perch]

new

[shrewd yarrow]

Omg.

[supple pulsar]

i think this could mean:

something related to children being drugged ("the compound takes us up to heaven" in the encrypted message, "took their minds to heaven" in the response), the compound would kill them (probably talking about 4L1, since that's what we've been digging about)

[snow perch]

the miscreants took the children from their homes
brought them to a foreign place, beneath the gaze of The Lost
took their minds to heaven but left their bodies to rot
until the agent and his compatriots took them home

[shrewd yarrow]

What about farm?

[supple pulsar]

wait wait wait

why are we instantly trying to tie this to a mission?

[shrewd yarrow]

Cause we auto fallen back to it

Deep breaths, take a step back lets not jump to conclusions

[supple pulsar]

first of all, the lost.

[snow perch]

maybe its kinda like the children got kidnapped, then they gave the kids pills and other drugs, (making them high 'minds to heaven') while the drug was killing their bodies. then eventually the police came and saved

[snow perch]

them

but would kidnapping kids and feeding em drugs be beneath the MLO? if this were to be the case?

[supple pulsar]

so

first of all

WHO is the person recording the video

[shrewd yarrow]

We dont know

Unless your able to crack redacted stuff

[hot obsidian]

Because I have a lore problem

[shrewd yarrow]

I mean so do i

Lol

[rigid sphinx]

Don't wooooory

that'swhatdlc2isfor

[shrewd yarrow]

Lol

[hot obsidian]

Unreal, DLC 2 when

[shrewd yarrow]

[snow perch]

ah man i wish i could see it, but its crossed out unfortunatly

[hot obsidian]

hehehehe

[snow perch]

300 days

[rigid sphinx]

[snow perch]

is this what u meant by overanalyzing, kaminsky?

[shrewd yarrow]

Probably yes

[snow perch]

the text mentions 'THE agent' and 'HIS compatriots'

which leads me to judge and his crew

[shrewd yarrow]

Thats why i said lets let take a step back and a deep breath

Lol

Tho... i am starting to think i missed the IMPORTANT question to lily

[snow perch]

also AGENT is used instead of COMMANDER

[shrewd yarrow]

Usis?

[snow perch]

yeah

deletes paragraph

[shrewd yarrow]

Or fisa

[snow perch]

so leading me to think of Judge + Usia

so either judge is a Usia agent or he doesnt know hes being monitered by them

[shrewd yarrow]

judge is an ex usia agent

So... that means they knew he was.

[snow perch]

agent david 'judge' beaumont

kinda tough ngl

[shrewd yarrow]

Or... it could be another agent entirely

[snow perch]

all this is completely speculatory btw

[shrewd yarrow]

Yeah of course

Were theory crafting

As i like to call it

[snow perch]

judge just feels so right in this context too though

that he and his 'compatriots' saved the 'children'

[supple pulsar]

its funny that i've been in the vc the whole day

😭

[shrewd yarrow]

I at work :/ cant join vc

Or i would be there lol

[gritty moat]

hey its you

i love your videos

👍

[hot obsidian]

Why thank ya! 😁

[supple pulsar]

Is there anyone who doesn't love your videos? 🥹

[snow perch]

Wait hol up are you the guy?

[supple pulsar]

Wdym if he's the guy?

Of course he's the guy

😭

[hot obsidian]

haha, I just work here man

[snow perch]

Ah dude, I loved ur original ARG video a while back, very well done.

I can’t believe youre the guy

[wide lance]

Is that the guy?

[hot obsidian]

I appreciate it my friend, I intend to do the next full one too!

[wide lance]

(no idea who the guy is)

[snow perch]

Nice, looking forward to it!

[supple pulsar]

Sixty, how do you feel when people randomly see you and say they like your videos in servers?

if it was me, i'd feel the same as when a random person comes up to me in the street and goes like "ooooo, look at how much you've grown!" and i have no clue who they are

[snow perch]

That is significantly different

[hot obsidian]

It means a lot, very thoughtful for anyone to say and I just hope any one of my videos helped in one way or another haha

[supple pulsar]

as some random person who has watched the majority of your videos, i think they're very good, keep doing them, otherwise i'll be very sad :(

[wide lance]

dont wanna make a random person on the internet sad now do you

[supple pulsar]

exactly

[hot obsidian]

That's very much appreciated, I intend to keep making them 😄

[rigid sphinx]

You better. We got work to do.

[hot obsidian]

Yes dear

😭

[supple pulsar]

this convo is literally

[hot obsidian]

haahah exactly what I was thinking

[rigid sphinx]

[shrewd yarrow]

Say Kaminsky, two part question

1. did you ever find yourself an assiant puppetmaster?
   2)Who helps you with the art for the A.R.G from void?

[snow perch]

Kaminsky is just a hostage and his only way to communicate is this ARG

Kaminsky, blink twice if you are in danger

[hot obsidian]

Bro came in, asserted dominance, and bounced

[shrewd yarrow]

Lol

[rigid sphinx]

Correct.

[rigid sphinx]

Yup, it's one of the writers, Alex. As for the art, if I can fabricate it, I do but if it's art art, it's Ropolio

[shrewd yarrow]

Very kool!

[rigid sphinx]

He's the one that did stuff like this

Just

and this'n

[shrewd yarrow]

Fuck ya

Ah the one we reveled

My regards to both they have been doing amazing work both here and in game. And quiet honest i give all 3 have done amazing 🙂

[snow perch]

me fr

[shrewd yarrow]

Lol

[supple pulsar]

guys

theory.

[snow perch]

is it about a game perchance?

[supple pulsar]

what if camellia is a group (i'd say, most likely a sub-group of MLO, or maybe connected to The Lost?) that's why in the chat logs, for example, all the names are species of camellia

and chrysantha is a usia agent within the group? they were the ones in the video where we got the last cypher. they might have something going on like the informant in narcos (where they have a room hidden behind a wall, that's why the background is the logo, because only they would be the ones using the computer)

the group used the building in dorms for whatever purpose they desired, i'd say most likely to test 4L1 with the people inside. however, chrysantha tried to sabotage their operation by sending them old/fake info, but after the police department came to the place, they were exposed and began running. they're the "mole" mentioned in the chat log with cam act.

[snow perch]

thats actually a pretty good idea

camellia is also, you guessed it, a flower

[supple pulsar]

yeah, that's why i think it's related to the lost maybe

since they're all about flowers and all

[shrewd yarrow]

Solid thought

Finally free from work

[supple pulsar]

a good confirmation of camelia being a group is this:

[snow perch]

was this new lily message a new puzzle?

[supple pulsar]

"unt camellia" could be "unit camellia"

[snow perch]

yeah probably

different flower are different units

then the MLO is just the entire group

[supple pulsar]

or maybe they're part of the lost?

[snow perch]

the miscreants took the children from their homes
brought them to a foreign place, beneath the gaze of The Lost
took their minds to heaven but left their bodies to rot
until the agent and his compatriots took them home

took them to a foreign place

thats beneath the gaze of The lost

[supple pulsar]

i think they're more related to the lost?

since the lost are always related to flowery things

also "reach out beyond the flesh" sounds like something that could be related to the lost

since they have some themes related to rebirth and stuff

[snow perch]

yeah, my guess is that camellia were the ones running the dorms operation, until some mole came through and the place got busted

[supple pulsar]

chrysantha is the mole def

[snow perch]

okay

[supple pulsar]

in this log, one of the members calls them out, and asks to bring chrysantha to them

[snow perch]

and chrys is probably dead too

along with CAM

[supple pulsar]

we dont know for certain

also, i think CAM ACT refers to "CAMELIA ACTUAL". "ACTUAL" refers to the unit's commander

so the chat logs we see with CAM ACT are with the Camelia unit commander/leader

[scarlet swallow]

Mariposa lily is a flower
so all the MLO are using a flower motif

[snow perch]

yeah

[supple pulsar]

could be too, still mixed on whether this is related to the lost or the mlo

[scarlet swallow]

The lost are the MLO

[supple pulsar]

or maybe MLO and Camelia are units for The Lost

[scarlet swallow]

Theyre the same

Remember the USIA considers the MLO to be a failure

Or atleast in referral from the documents found from both Elaine and Gerard

[supple pulsar]

100% MLO = The Lost?

and not that MLO is a unit for The Lost, like Camelia is?

[snow perch]

well the MLO IS the organization

[supple pulsar]

because the way some things are written out in chats, logs and such it kind of gives the feeling that MLO is below The Lost

[snow perch]

which chat logs

chat, logs*

[supple pulsar]

i didn't mean something in specific, i think its more of an induction

[snow perch]

Im just feeling that the MLO are 'the lost'

because who else would be?

And camiella is a unit dispatched by the MLO to do some dirty work (like testing the 41L)

[snow perch]

also^

[supple pulsar]

hmmm, i dont think so?

it was just because you asked

you mean the reply?

[snow perch]

oh was that a reply to a question?

[snow perch]

oh it was nvm

the miscreants took the children from their homes
brought them to a foreign place, beneath the gaze of The Lost
took their minds to heaven but left their bodies to rot
until the agent and his compatriots took them home

if we're following under the assumption that the MLO are the lost (which im pretty sure they are)

then the foreign place is probably greenside (or some other place) where they tested various drugs

but then we'd have to ask, why kids?

[supple pulsar]

okay

wait

what if

we're not talking about

actual children'

[snow perch]

epiphany moment

u gotta be right there

[open needle]

but then who is the agent and compatriots?

[snow perch]

judge and his team

[supple pulsar]

camelia are "the miscreants", the children are the people that were taken for their trial of 4l1, the foreign place is the dorms

[open needle]

because we essentially kick out the homeless no?

[snow perch]

yeah pretty much

we talked about it earlier

let me reply to one of the message 4 u

gimme a secx

[snow perch]

.

[supple pulsar]

so

basically

camelia took people to test 4l1 on them, the place turned into pretty much a crack-den but for 4l1, and then judge and his team came there and took them in

[snow perch]

thats exactly what I'm thinking

hol up

i remember seeing some evidence in the locker about the building managers seeing homeless people

let me take a look at it

[scarlet swallow]

Yeah judge is the agent

Gamma one

[open needle]

yeah I just figured that once the mission was over, the homeless were just let go after some bare bones processing

[snow perch]

i mean, for all that the LSPD knew, they did some drugs and tresspassed

the big guys already left

[open needle]

true dat

[snow perch]

i mean, how many crackheads stay in the system before being shoved back out of it (unless they were the ones shooting at the cops 😭

[supple pulsar]

so let's piece it all together

[dawn saddle]

You lads work fast 😭, I head off to work for a few hours and the thingy is solved

Also lily did not answer my cry for help when I ran out of toilet paper, I am truly lost

[supple pulsar]

camellia was sent to test the 4l1 on the homeless population in greenside. camellia is linked to the lost, and works as an unit below them. they, however, had USIA informant (their codename in the unit being Chrysantha) provide them with bad intel on the place they were going to use (this being the dorms map), which ended up causing the LSPD to send a patrol unit (this is explained in the dorms map briefing). officer 619 was in this unit, and was wounded and captured by camellia, leading to the swat team being deployed in response to the shooting.

the camellia unit catches onto chrysantha being the mole and begins going after them, that's what we see in the last video

[shrewd yarrow]

ok, i finally home chilled and eating what did i miss?

[supple pulsar]

after the raid at dorms, the safehouse where the officer is, is also compromised. this may be because of chrysantha knowing where the safehouse is, and after concluding that chrysantha is a mole, they know that the safehouse isn't safe anymore. in this chat, there's a convo between the commander of the camellia unit and someone else, probably a higher up in the organization, telling them to either kill chrysantha or "disable the unit".

[shrewd yarrow]

did you read this part?

[Begin log]

[USER OLEIFERA HAS LOGGED IN]
Oleifera: Why wasn't the site sterilzed before relocation? A gunfight with the local PD is the last thing we wanted.
Grjsii: Chrys relayed that GRNSD was clear for use
Oleifera: Why didn't anyone double check?
Gilbertii: I did, but Chrys gave me old intel and footage
Chrysantha: I followed SOP, there were no bodies within a k for a few days
Oleifera: Until there was.
Grjsii: 4L1 still kept them quiet
Oleifera: Now we have several pricipals in custody, one dead, and an LSPD officer in our safe house.
Oleifera: Euph, liase with our plants, calm the waters and bury the Hand at GRNSD.
Oleifera: Grj, Process Gil. If they're worth it, take them. If not, field them.
Oleifera: Gil, bring me Chrysantha.
[USER CHRYSANTHA HAS LOGGED OUT]

[End log]

[supple pulsar]

i guess "disable the unit" refers to "self terminate" everyone within camellia

[supple pulsar]

yeah

that's what im basing most of this off of

[shrewd yarrow]

gotcha

[supple pulsar]

what are your thoughts on everything i said? @shrewd yarrow

[shrewd yarrow]

its an interesting theory, my thought is maybe Chrys is maybe being setup by the others? i can be wrong

[supple pulsar]

why's that?

[uncut portal]

Probably because of the way its written

It seems Chrys has been given faulty info

To compromise them

[supple pulsar]

it could, but if in the last video

it is chrys talking

then

"I've been exposed, camellia is after me."

[shrewd yarrow]

would make sense

[supple pulsar]

i've been exposed would mean that they did it intentionally

[shrewd yarrow]

that's true

maybe they did give faulty info

or.....

[uncut portal]

Also do we know what the Hand is?

[shrewd yarrow]

they gave the info, the hurricane hit

[supple pulsar]

"The Hand" is the terrorist group that appears in the neon club mission and the hospital one

[uncut portal]

Oh right

[supple pulsar]

but this "the hand" may be something different we're referring to

[uncut portal]

The USIA funded one

But idk if thats what they mean here

[shrewd yarrow]

know what.... i am going to ask Lilies something.

@boreal kite "I've been exposed, camellia is after me." what does this mean? are you Chrysantha in hiding?

i don't expect an answer atm. but never hurts to ask

[boreal kite]

i am the voice

[shrewd yarrow]

oh shit!

[snow perch]

lmao

whos running the acc? Kaminsky?

[shrewd yarrow]

vague, but hey! i will take it

[supple pulsar]

the voice of whom? the interloper?

[snow perch]

isnt the interloper the LSPD?

[shrewd yarrow]

aye

i am pretty sure interloper is the PD

[supple pulsar]

isn't the interloper 619?

.

[shrewd yarrow]

in theory yes

[snow perch]

"I am the voice"

maybe talking about "I've been exposed, camellia is after me."

the quotations of someone talking

[uncut portal]

Or they could be talking about their role

[snow perch]

prob soft confirms that chrys is definitly th mole

[uncut portal]

Which is

To be the voice of some someone(be it an individual or group)

[snow perch]

mayhaps

probably the group

[shrewd yarrow]

updated the doc in lore/nonbranching

[snow perch]

are we just waiting for another big puzzle for now

[shrewd yarrow]

i guess?

[snow perch]

alr. today is speculatory day then

where we figure out what in all hell is going on

[shrewd yarrow]

unless there's more to A5 we didn't solve

[snow perch]

also we can work on the new design doc

[supple pulsar]

true

[rigid sphinx]

downtime is important frens. :)

[supple pulsar]

okay so

[shrewd yarrow]

yep

[snow perch]

[supple pulsar]

lets set some ground rules for all this

in terms of

the lore

and what we're dealing with

[snow perch]

linch you wanna start working on a slideshow/document

[supple pulsar]

so first of all, camellia is a UNIT, which is part of THE LOST?

[shrewd yarrow]

in Theory, would Lily responsed to an old arg question?

(not saying atm, but as a theory)

[shrewd yarrow]

tha makes the most logical sense

[supple pulsar]

right

[shrewd yarrow]

wait, why me?

[snow perch]

or anyone

[shrewd yarrow]

i know nothing about google docs

[snow perch]

Kos if you want too

[supple pulsar]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i can try?

but im not sure what format to use for something like this

[rigid sphinx]

Just like with the new run, it all depends on the question

[shrewd yarrow]

ok, thanks 🙂 i will bare this in mind

[supple pulsar]

do we really need to change the current doc?

[snow perch]

we can make some improvements

i can just start with it if you guys want

[supple pulsar]

i think we can just change the things needed with it

also

add at the very start

something near current coverage

a section that's meant to display what we're working on currently

say, if we get an image 6, we'll put that we're looking into it on the section so if anyone needs to get up to speed and have a look without asking many questions, they can check there to see what's being looked at currently

[snow perch]

welp, we got downtime, what better things can we do?

[supple pulsar]

i think we should

delete everything that's useless atm?

also maybe make a part that can work as a timeline

[scarlet swallow]

Kaminsky talking about himself in third person

Do you have like a worksheet thats got the lore written out

[shrewd yarrow]

ah! heyo chrispy!

[supple pulsar]

kaminsky's to do list:

• cause pain and suffering to the people solving the arg

• toy with them while they struggle

• absolutely troll them and dunk on them

(jk kaminsky we love you <3)

[scarlet swallow]

wassup

[shrewd yarrow]

nm!

chillin

[scarlet swallow]

same

[autumn geyser]

Good job on deciphering it!

[snow perch]

morning linas

[autumn geyser]

gm

[radiant sonnet]

Good morning!

[autumn geyser]

Time to fill in the slides

[shrewd yarrow]

morning linas

[wise robin]

you're the voice

[shrewd yarrow]

it's vague, but that's the response. (Lily is currently on cooldown as it were)

[wise robin]

it's a weird response but I guess it makes sense

[autumn geyser]

Also how did yall solve the last line

[wise robin]

anyway why did kaminsky make a second google doc?

[autumn geyser]

I don't see anything

[shrewd yarrow]

kos put in the doc

ah! found it!

"green cipher is Beaufort with the key “Reach out beyond this flesh”."

[autumn geyser]

The new one is the official "proper" one, with only the absolute important parts

The old one I imagine should act like a forum of sorts

One place stop for anything you might need in regards to the arg

[shrewd yarrow]

i would say more like a manual

[autumn geyser]

Was the last line also beaufort with that key

[wise robin]

ok

[shrewd yarrow]

i believe so

[wise robin]

makes sense

[autumn geyser]

ah

so it would seem

[shrewd yarrow]

also, i am gonna hop in vc if people wanna come chill

[shrewd yarrow]

should "the" be "this"?

nvm, its tool refrence!

[radiant sonnet]

Cryptography is fun

[snow perch]

what the freak

[snow perch]

might chat for a bit soon

in like 5m

[shrewd yarrow]

take your time

were also about to go through the doc

[snow perch]

ill help w the doc stuff tmr if we dont get another puzzle

[mighty cloud]

we getting judge lore 🔥🔥

[wise robin]

mate

that was from 2019

how did you even dig it up

it's like a stone age content at this point

[compact swan]

🤡

[uncut portal]

You simply scroll up

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-lol-laugh-gif-5432260

[wise robin]

for 6 hours

good idea

[uncut portal]

Thats what I did yesterday

[compact swan]

wow ground breaking technology

[wise robin]

you scrolled for 6 hours on discord each day?

[compact swan]

yes

[muted osprey]

guys i think ready or not.... contains an arg 😱😱

[shrewd yarrow]

[wise robin]

no fuckin wayyyyyyyy sir

[dry gale]

I KNEW THE LAST SENTENCE STARTED WITH "I've been exposed" I JUST COULDNT FIND A WAY TO PROVE IT

I legit got further to solving it by purely guessing than with any of my deciphering attempts

[rigid sphinx]

When in doubt, brute force.

[wise robin]

I agree

it's the only way to get rid of annoying kids from vc, right linch?

[autumn geyser]

I will never forgive you for making us think we solved those three words

[hot obsidian]

If I have to pullout hashcat or john, I will

[rigid sphinx]

Listen. Y'all literally played yourselves

[topaz jackal]

what
so the new ciphers meant nth?

[wise robin]

idk which ones you consider

but pretty much yeah

[supple pulsar]

And you played us on-top

[dawn saddle]

YOU played US

;(

[radiant sonnet]

this really makes me think that my theory of @boreal kite being the mole might be true

[radiant sonnet]

yeah i think its a little confusing for people trying to catch up

[supple pulsar]

also, did'ya read the kos theory

[radiant sonnet]

i did not

[supple pulsar]

check in the doc

[radiant sonnet]

also guys, can we get rid of the Branch A / Branch B / Branch C? I think it causes more harm than good by messing up the chronological order of lilies messages, which will likely be important in the future

<@&925148041126760529> if you would be so kind

[rigid sphinx]

ew

crypto

[radiant sonnet]

smited

[autumn geyser]

ew crypto²

[radiant sonnet]

@rigid sphinx do you have a copy of the USIA logo you can share I want to add it to the v2 datasheet for personality

[snow perch]

Are you working on the new data sheet rn?

[wary ridge]

[rigid sphinx]

I do not but

[radiant sonnet]

im just customizing it, i dont wanna reorder stuff unless the rest of yall are cool with it

[radiant sonnet]

beautiful

that will work

[wary ridge]

that's a sick logo

[snow perch]

👍

[rigid sphinx]

It's a cute little easter egg hidden in ||talent time||

[snow perch]

Took 4 months of development time

[autumn geyser]

Damn

Oh btw if it's not going to be used for a future hint or whatever, would it be possible to get that wallpaper seen in the desktop screenshots?

[supple pulsar]

i have an idea

whaat if we use the current doc just as a way to work and see what we've already tried and not

and the v2 doc as like the "finished" decrypted messages and such

[autumn geyser]

Yeah that's the idea

v2 is the simple, compact approach for overall timeline stuff and whatnot and beginners and v1 is the one where we actually work in

[supple pulsar]

💀

[autumn geyser]

and what we use while we work to help

[autumn geyser]

lmao it got better

I love that

[radiant sonnet]

bro thats what ive been saying haha

the doc is our working document

the presentation is our findings

[supple pulsar]

i missed that part 💀

[autumn geyser]

I like the styling

Nice work

[radiant sonnet]

ty

[autumn geyser]

Oh wait I reckon I can design some cool logo thing like they do in RoN

for the letters

Should be easy

Wait no nvm you did it already

[radiant sonnet]

🙂

[radiant sonnet]

thoughts on this?

[wise robin]

it's a thouhgt

[autumn geyser]

Didn't kaminsky congratulate us on the branches?

[wise robin]

if we sorted out everything chronologically

but we can't rn

[supple pulsar]

doesn't kaminsky troll us 💀

[wise robin]

we don't have enough info

to put everything in chronological order

[radiant sonnet]

we can very easily sort it in the order of messages lilies eyes sent it

is what i mean

[autumn geyser]

That's the message repo's purpose

It should theoretically have every bit of info we have in a chronological order

[supple pulsar]

the events of the lore? i think we can

from the in-game pamphlet, camellia's op on dorms has been going on since at last the 2nd of february

[wise robin]

make another doc and try to do so if you think it's possible

I'm gonna join you

on vc and help you with it in a few mins

[supple pulsar]

we can do it at the bottom of the v1 doc?

[radiant sonnet]

im just thinking of it from someone brand new's perspective, but if yall think this is the most efficient way of organizing it then i am fine with it

[wise robin]

sure

[supple pulsar]

i think the branches are good if they're explained like in the v2 doc

[wise robin]

agreed

[supple pulsar]

will wait for you

[wise robin]

it's confusing at first (I joined this like a week ago) but once someone explains the branches to you it makes it very clear

[supple pulsar]

and the new doc has an explanation of the branches too

[wise robin]

exactly

[radiant sonnet]

it just doesnt seem consistent, like the conversation between MLO operatives seems like inner operations which would be branch A

[supple pulsar]

i agree there

[autumn geyser]

Yeah there's times of intersection but in general from what it seems so far, it goes
A has nothing special
B has exif
C has shadows

[wise robin]

what does exif stand for?

or mean

[radiant sonnet]

like kaminsky said, this is just the tutorial, so just because an image has exif i dont think should get its own category

[radiant sonnet]

image metadata

[wise robin]

oh thanks

[autumn geyser]

Well we'll see in the future

[radiant sonnet]

like an image might have exif but also have ciphers, hidden images, etc.

[autumn geyser]

But for now I'd say the branches inherently make sense and do help

[radiant sonnet]

as long as we're not restructuring halfway into the arg

i guess we can always edit the description of the branches too

[autumn geyser]

Yeah I intend to add descriptions right below the branches

To describe the general patterns

[radiant sonnet]

But all in all I think the slides was a good idea, unfortunately I think it’s unlikely for someone new to read 34 pages of a working document lol

[autumn geyser]

Yea

That was deffo a good idea

[snow perch]

Was there a new doc? I don’t see any changes to the old one

[supple pulsar]

Check the V2

[snow perch]

Ah dude that looks really freaking good

Nice job whoever worked on it

[autumn geyser]

Yeah boom did a great job

Wait I need to get fixed traced images cause these are downright invisible

[snow perch]

You could just turn em white

Or put a white box behind

When did yall make this 💀

[autumn geyser]

Yeah invert them

okay nice that was way easier than i thought it would be

[wise robin]

base was made like 10 hours ago on vc

a while after you left

and then it was upgraded not long ago

[snow perch]

Makes sense, nice. 👍

[sacred dawn]

I'm out here really failing the tutorial

[hot obsidian]

Kaminsky needs to make a virtual box for us to try and penetrate

[radiant sonnet]

I feel like only a select few of us would be able to do that lol

[autumn geyser]

Oh hey boom, when you've got time, go to A3 and rewrite your theory into the placeholder as a comment for it, just like how it's done below

[radiant sonnet]

Will do

[wise robin]

yes

[wise robin]

me too

[autumn geyser]

Rewriting the whole doc to make it cleaner as we discussed this morning rn

[radiant sonnet]

Awesome

[autumn geyser]

Branch A complete if anyone wants to have a look

[wise robin]

gonna look in a sec

[autumn geyser]

It basically just simplifies everything while still keeping all the info in one place

[radiant sonnet]

are you in security or smn I thought you were law enforcement?

[snow perch]

Sexy

We’re gonna be using the first document as our main document right?

[autumn geyser]

Yea v1 is the one the cool people use

v2 is purely for condensed info

and beginners

[hot obsidian]

I was a police officer, I took lots of calls for service for computer/financial crime. I now work in IT 😁

[autumn geyser]

Damn

Man's been everything in security

[radiant sonnet]

Oh very cool. I did something similar I used to run an information security department for a state bank

[snow perch]

😎

[wise robin]

where you a response officer as well?

[hot obsidian]

Huuuuggee let’s goooo, see we need a pwnbox!! Being able to break into the Lilies computer would be dope.
I was a patrol officer so nothing super specialized. I figure my next job will be with the government or LEO again haha

I just want to only do computer crimes. Such a fun field.

[radiant sonnet]

That would be cool as hell a CTF as part of the arg

[wise robin]

I agree

[wise robin]

at least you've experienced what it's like

[hot obsidian]

It was pretty awesome, like I said next job will likely be doing something LEO related or purely just cyber crime.

I thought about the nuclear courier spot. Seems like such a cool job and lots of range time haha

[wise robin]

damn, that's interesting

[autumn geyser]

Alright porting over to New and Improved™ document formatting is done

Lmk any thoughts yall have about the new format

[wise robin]

I've been thinking about something with secure transport as well

[hot obsidian]

Do it with the feds, get a pension, coast lol

[wise robin]

https://youtu.be/5ClCaPmAA7s?si=2nWCJo4-Td3Vbu-N

[hot obsidian]

Link home slice? 😁

[wise robin]

for @supple pulsar

[autumn geyser]

?

[hot obsidian]

To the doc

[autumn geyser]

Ah

It's the same link as v1

I just modified v1

[supple pulsar]

part of the deecrypted text in video a5

found in dorms

[hot obsidian]

Ah gotcha

[wise robin]

I don't live in US 😦

can't do it with the feds

[hot obsidian]

You could always become a citizen haha

[wise robin]

nah mate, I like firearms too much

I wanna work carrying one on me

and spend a lot of time in the range as well

[radiant sonnet]

join a paramilitary corp

[snow perch]

MLO propaganda

[wise robin]

I like being able to retire lol

[supple pulsar]

added to the doc

[snow perch]

You can retire really early if you join the MLO

[wise robin]

with a bullet in my head?

[snow perch]

Like in a few weeks if you volunteer for testing 4L1

[autumn geyser]

Which section?

[snow perch]

Nooooo

[supple pulsar]

anyone thinks this is related to 4l1?

[wise robin]

definitely judge won't teach me how to die

[autumn geyser]

That's a drink

Is 4L1 used in any drinks?

[supple pulsar]

we don't exactly know how 4l1 is administed though

but

[radiant sonnet]

no 4L1 is crystaline for the most part

[supple pulsar]

i see a lot of bottles thrown around, so i guess the drink is just beer?

[autumn geyser]

Yeah

I reckon it's just pure alcohol

[autumn geyser]

It kinda has that effect on people sometimes

[snow perch]

I ❤️🍺

[wise robin]

you'd love it in poland

everyone is just like you

[snow perch]

I mean, alcohol, hallucinogens, and some crazy new really cool 😎 experimental drug makes for a pretty ‘rad’ combo!!!!

[autumn geyser]

-# it also has that effect on bystanders sometimes but that's besides the point

[wise robin]

very much so

@simple socket enjoys

[supple pulsar]

also

idea

[wise robin]

(he is my mate btw)

[supple pulsar]

for the v1 doc

add a table on the "tested" part with methods to fill out (check for exif data, vigenere keys, beau keys, gwynstution, etc) so we can keep better track of what's tested and what's not

[snow perch]

We should have a group notepad for when we all work on puzzles

Where we list attempted strategies and keys

I wonder what’s gonna be after the tutorial, yall think it will ramp up in difficulty?