#💬general-discussion
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The fancy hotel is either Ides of March or Sins Of The Father.
I am a hk416 fanboy
Ends of the earth is top 5 missions in base game if u ask me
i just pick what looks good
look it up twin i dont have image perms
m14 becasue its fun
most of the time i roll with brn180/slr47/sa58
the new gun is a lot of fun for me
fair
I want more russian style guns
the latter 2 with jhp are great for stopping power
Just run SA-58
=make criminals easier to surrender
Sure, that's a firm but fair stance. Once they start unloading on civs or in spaces where civilians are present, their lives are essentially forfeit.
ngl tho even 309 jhp has overpen issues
dude i would go crazy on a vss
my favourite personally
Or go Rick grimes mode and run the Magnum
the vikhr is a better fit for the game
a very unfortunate censorship moment - geniuinely a "great" moment for a first playthrough
or was*
I also plant this belief in christianity, I think you shouldnt take someone elses ability to repent
hit u like a brick ngl
Yeah, that's respectable.
also its recoil is a beast
the 7.62x39 slr47 is more manageable but still packs the punch im looking for
I actually really like night missions cause the night vision looks really cool
Does that one have a wood stock?
all missions prior to brisa are basically getting you used to the game imo
I love russian guns for the look
Just ordered myself some stickers, pins and a bash keychain! So cool
Yeah well I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use automatic on it
and a krink length barrel and gasblock
That’s # what?
true tho
and the short stroke piston system
Usually kills everything in 1-2 shots
but even in semi auto
part of why i love the hk416
Not if you use birdshot
I shot the usp45 silenced today irl, low recoil and low noise my ass 🤣, best gun ever
im not a shotgun main
ngl tho the italian classic slaps
Only good for cqb, and dont use birdshot on people its dumb
iykyk
many maps in the game have past cqb close range encounters tho
and you have to deal with hostages
which demands precision
hi there
well actually it's a self propelled howitzer
hostages dont exist
which i wish we had brought to carriers of the vine
but hostages
who for some reason were dressed up in militia gear
like i cant tell u how many times i shot em
thinking they was hostile
He was threataning me i swear
I have shot way too many hostages
im crine
been crode
also the girl in the closet on valley of the dolls
That's always thrown me through a bit of a loop though. See, when I hear "cqb", I'm thinking "practically melee range" like with Twisted Nerve, where I only bring smgs. You are right though, that shotguns aren't much good at too much of a distance. That strange catch 22 is why I just never run shotguns at all.
once a long time ago she actually beat me to death
so the next try
i killed her with an m320 flashbang
true
But shotguns irl are so cool bman
flashbangs are so fun
Good point
I get so many freindly fire points taken
its the most op wep in the game and birdshot is better than slugs
anyone here know cqb very well?
also theyre good out to 30 meters irl
im shit at it
and yet i share what little i know with others
mostly on roblox lol
send a riot sheld out and hope for the best
man i had a good time with my friends outside :)
basically ive been trying to learn how to cqb realistically and ive got it down to a formula so far
arma reforger cqb is just spray the walls with pkm
i seem guy shoot slug 300 meter
for me its, riot up front, shotgun behind them, and one other covering behind
tarkov lore
well actually more like scavs
players usually run full auto shredding guns
im american but thats like 250 yards
its either heavy caliber like 308 or 7.62x54r
which is insane
pie the door, stop once you get from one end of the doorway to the other. deal with any threat you can see from doorway, and keep track of unkown areas. then you move and clear with your ai team, and aggressively push the unknown areas whilst peeking every corner and trying to stay behind cover as long as possible.
@night helm does this sound right
which non negotiably shreds armor no matter what
i play solo with bots
or smgs which can blast limbs
he dis lose effectivnesss and he had a bipod
I usually bring enough doorstops so that I can make the game one long hallway
For really tight spaces, like Sins of the Father, Sinuous Trail and Twisted Nerve, I only run smgs or anything of that general look.
im not dropping quarter of a thousand usd for legit copy
bro what
and im not gonna try to deal with desync and shit
its 20$
Bots can be badass, IF you equip them well. Good armor, appropriate weapons, and make sure you make the most use of them as is possible.
oh i thought we were on ron
as cannon fodder
ron is worth its price
let them get shot so you dont
Should i get the new dlc
but the censorship because of the console update sours it
i dont have money for dlc on anything
and the ai de-provements
listen
i have payday 2 but i used a dlc unlocker to unlock dlc shit
this isnt NEARLY as bad as war thunder
ik
The game has been on such a steep decline since like 2018
i still dont have money tho
Guys, someone can help me?
hello
I'm facing constant crash in Wet Hands mission
oh the point about bots was abt ron
I dont know, sorry
same i mostly solo with team ai
I dont s tier with bots
again equip em well
Yes, sometimes as canon fodder, or sometimes as actual means of clearing a room. Running a shield, drawing their fire in one direction, while the ai flanks. Ai can be pretty damn effective when used right.
also remember that bots dont care about recoil
but counterpoint
that doesn't mean giving them all sa58s is a good idea
Or give them all shields and run around
overpen...
I tried DX11, DX12, Clear Data, Clear Mods, set my graphic configs in low. Nothing fixed
Hello, I am doing a school project and I decided to do it about ready or not and I’m trying to research the beginnings of our community and the backlash received when it first came out only on steam and was wondering if anyone can help me out on finding what was the biggest thing holding ready or not back when it came to controversy
people misunderstanding the school shooting mission
war thunder never ceases to piss me off
unreal engine moment
in a modern swat game where you play as a swat operator
responding to swat operator things
the russians getting a CRAM but with homing missiles
and it has 24 ammo
"hmm the players are saying that the su30's have really good cas compared to the mavericks? Lets add the bmpt and give russia the BUL system"
And there is no way to fix it? I'm playing commander campaign, no way to skip this mission.
Again, I don't know if that's a great idea. Maybe it is, but I've always used them as normal foot soldiers, because of that one instance where they switched to their primary, dropping the shield (a long time ago and was probably patched, but still).
hows russian gas
"Oh dear they players dont know how to use the buk so its 'underperforming', lets give them the pantsir sm sv"
i know that russian AGMs are on average bigger than us
havent run into it, check crashlogs - what specs u running? optimization is on the backburner it seems so it might just be a case of bad luck. also update gfx drivers jic
Yeah im just joking, I usually run a fairly straigjtforwars system"
My friends apparently think my lore for my OC is "long", its only like 30 chapters concerning RoN lore and her back-story along with the environment, but like, her stuff with her back-story is read like a mix of first hand and retelling of events to her therapist as she recounts her time as a Failed USIA sleeper agent deployed to the LS Sheriff's Department
kh-29 is 2x the weight of maverick
and TNT mass
Right right
tf do i know i dont actually play top tier
wait until the agm 88
but im basing this on what i know about military equipment
Thank you
3 speed operator
the harm?
RX580, I5 9400k, 32GB RAM. No Crashlogs. It just says to delete mods and save data. Already did it
yes
whats its mass
top tier = launcher concussion
i dont expect it to be big tho its more of a precision missile that homes on radar emitters
800lbs but its anti radiation so it would smite spaa
or shit
it locks on to anti aircraft radars
almsot like the new SM SV
since the buk is unperforming remember
actually might be ur rx580 holding u back, cant say for sure tho. its a VERY vram hungry game engine and known to be unstable, especially on older hardware
I play top tier = 900 9 bangs
fuck that
thats the one with the 24 GUIDED MISSILES
that can also lock on to CRAM threats
way more than 24 bud
wait
try verifying game files aswell
i think i misremembered
it might be something extremely random
if you count the ammo crate its 96
96 individual missiles
with 2 30mm's
Well, I gotta get some sleep. G'nignt guys!
jesus it has 48 loaded
but the swedish thing gets 8 after a 2 minute reload
jesus
So. I think there is some kind of bot spawning glitch. Tried join into a solo multiplayer lobby, that don't take no bot officer with me. It opens normally
good night twinjamin
this thing is a CRAM BEAST
heli rockets dont stand a chance
and low flying aircraft
either that, something/someone is misconfigured or whatnot
yeah good thing the LMUR is on their team
its not even an argument anymore
try swapping out officers
There is no way to go in commander campaign without officer, there is?
It has the second fastest missiles in game, only behind the BUK
nope
holy stalinium bias
how much can it pull
50g on sm sv
what about the sosna r what do u think on it
i think it has one of the highest amount of ready missiles too
and I swear to god if you point out the statcard i will blow up france
but like what do yall @inland ivy @cyan orchid @night helm think of my formula for cqb here, you think this is pretty realistic?
i think it PISES ME OFF
actually the tunguska packs 8 missiles so its not even in the running
break it down for me
twas kinda busy
disregard everything, 100 9bangs
the BTR based missile hog
I updated all the officers, including loadout and outfit. It fixed.
I usually stack the door, mirrior for traps, flash the room, and have a sheild lead with a shotgun/heavy rifle over its shoulder
probably corrupted textures, verify game files to avoid in the future
they havent added it but ik they will
dude the 10.7 is op
and sed regularly at top tier with 0 issue
- pie the door
- deal with anything i can from doorway
- keep track of unknowns before going in
- go in and aggressively clear unknowns while peeking slowly but also not being a pussy
- stabilize room, regroup, and continue to the next doorway
i dont use mirror at all anymore since its unrealistic
i dislike 9 bangs
but GOD FORBID you ask for the elde to get more misiles
how is it unrealistic?
if a flashbang scientist can invent 4 bangs
apparently swat doesnt use it
please
9 bangs are overkill
scater bang
just shotgun the door atp
pretty much
koomalala koomalala koomala savesta
i try to be quick about it
i dont think ive used a single flashbang this playthrough
i pack lots of flashbangs and stingers
missing out
i usually dont mirror for hostiles because mirror is for pussies
sounds good? alr
i check rooms the old fashioned way
m109 r u willing to watch a bit of my gameplay and just tell me if i did cqb correctly there or nah its all good
ASKING to get your shit blown off
i have a higher propensity to shoot suspects dead
m109 whats you wt user
i only check doors for traps
Hey guys
yo
i quit
and im nowhere near top tier anw
nyeh 0 deaths so far on standard, le ole g3 w ap/mkv has been very solid to go a+ on every run
just sharing what i gather on paper
hello
President Reagan!
9 deaths per mission
Yes?
me:
I eepy but Los Sueños needs justice
my piolice dept is a morgue
hence flashbangs
its becasue of the comunists
ASKING to kill a civ
also it helps disorient suspects
fuck them if the c2 somehow kills them
try a 5stack on twisted nerve and simultaneously breach every ground floor door
shits wack
koomalala koomalala koomala savesta
fuckkkkkkkkk😭 😭
Buzzalright
I dont like communists
ngl i love 2stacking rooms with c2 and stinger combo tho
its just so hilariously overkill
stinger goes crazy
I am a fan of Gorbachev
pre 1.0 cs was also amazing
Great guy really
perestroika was cool
and the soviet economic collapse was trending in the direction anyway
with or without him
also he brought pizza hut and mcdonald's to russia
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help
the atf will not confiscate my ks23
I am also a fan of deftones
Sir you shouldnt have that
nono its just a funny aa gun thats modded
even if its cool
odd it looks awfuly simmilar to a sawed off shotgun, mind explaining that?
hehe 4 gauge go brr
i actually wanna fire a barrikada ks once in my life
shit WILL dislocate my shoulder probably
dude i got a m12ak and its so fun
but I bruise my shoulder every time
id get shot for owning one
do you live somewhere that its illegal?
obv, semi-autos will probs soon be illegal aswell
if you dont minde me asking, where?
east eu
I thought they had more relaxed gun laws
self defense laws are bs here anyways, even with a ccl you cant actually pull it out unless youre threatened with a gun
legit a felony even if you get stabbed prior
"matching force" or something
are you serious
yuh
I live in the states in case you couldnt tell
youre ronald reagan
Dude you have to visit florida one day
they have ranges where you can shoot .50cals
only thing is that background checks take SO LONG
i was in a gun store for 6 hours one day just to get a shotgun
I doubt you're actually old enough to even own a firearm
supp
i suppose chap
For one: Of course you are
For two: Only in a shithole do fathers go buy their children shotguns
Whats so wrong with it?
you calling him lower class?
anyone know any place i can talk to like ppl who know cqb really well?
Im not waving it around in the streets, and I only use it down a range
You can't even drink yet but you can buy an shotgun, fucking laughable country
they also send us to war before we can drink
I cant bu a shotgun we just established that
Yeah, laughing stock of a country
yeah thats pretty dumb
lower the drinking age
whats so great about your country then buddy
🪖
"boating accident"
listen I dont like my country or its leaders but I wont just let you insult some random bs like that
you a real one
thanks twinjamin
dude when I grow up i want to be a moonshiner for at least a month
Imagine getting wasted in the woods with a buddy 24/7
alcohol sucks
Heavy drinking sucks
smoking is way better than drinking
weed or cigs?
time to go blind
I think all addictions suck
Yes
five hundred
look at my tag
yall got some lab grown shit in the states i wouldnt smoke that either
I work in the ports and its all i smell for 8 hours a day
then dont go where people smoke
I work with people that smoke
Cant avoid it when im on top of a 40 foot box praying i dont fall
everyone to their own i guess
osha would like to have a word
its a private company osha doesnt visit us
he might be a little special am i allowed to say that)
oh he is extreemy special
what even is the us what
who are you
I dont wear a helmet, reflective vest, gloves, or boots
ah yes a government agency meant to ensure workplace safety not inspecting private companies
and I ride forklift blades to the top of transformers so I can hook a crane up to them
Idk it just doesnt inspect this private compan
atleast 100k a year?
your a funny man
unfortunate underpaid blue collar moment
less than 30k
gg
damn
listen man ill never complain about a stable, paying job
ggs
bros getting a 5 ton anvil to the head one day for not having a high vis vest
shit min monthly wage here is 940€ (~800? dollaroonies) and i make 50/h after taxes as an lj and rigger
(My favorite cartoon joke)
I lost a chunk of my hand a few months ago
how heavy is blood censored here?
Very
ban
$1086.66 USD
the right side of the palm from the bottom to the pinky finger was completly torn off and half covered in dirt
and it went a few mm deep
yeah converted the wrong way mb
exept the bottom part where it was completyl cut open
ouchie
and I STILL waited in the doctors office for over 30 mintes
I had a small puddle of blood under my seat
any comp for injuries?
$5,000 to $6,000 is monthly US wage, you get only 1k, you can live on that, we can't.
They gave me a few days paid leave and they paid for the doctor
yeah no youre homeless if you make minimum wage
which is a lot since its amerca
gas prices are killing me sawg
As an American I can confirm this is true
They gave you paid leave!? Must be a saint working in HR
inflation is fucking us hard
3 days of it
try 2 years salary as comp + unlimited pto until recovery
mostly because it was the companys fault and didnt want me to sue
where I live they'd fire you
Oh, makes sense now
It was the companys fault
the trailer was busted and fell on my hand, and pulled the skin off
dude it was a gnarly picture
theres nowhere i can post it?
Well I've seen worse
Nah, thats gore, and gore is a nono
ok
I can't even say shit about what I've seen
my worst injury was on my dirt bike
well 2 are tied for 1st
both were on a dirt bike
My worst personally wasn't that bad
Only ever had to do surgery for my eye before
Kept me from going blind
about a month ago I broke 2 ribs, got a cuncussion, hyperextended my back through my neck and sprained a few fingers
Was this before or after you got shot?
Least Deadly Dirt Bike Injury
and a few years ago i broke my colarbone completly in 2 places and got a 2nd degree burn all the way up my leg
but the worst part is that I had to drive my dirt bike with all of that for 2 hours
ive never been shot
it broke my helmet
You a Reagan from a different Universe
If you didn't have the helmet though
dead 100%
Call you Slinky
I can say that about a lot of my wrecks though
always wear a helmet even if you dont think you need too
I wrecked once on a little test drive and almost got run over
I always value my safety
Nor should I, but here we are
I also belive god exists for other reasons
will the game have another discount on easter?
I hpoe so
I am gonna get it for my friend
I've had many times where guns should've put the end note to my tune
when i get it could you help me? you seem good
Ive supprisingly never almsot been killed by a gun other than one
Its usually based around the season not holidays
I was working and this homeless woman we found sleeping on the yard started waving a gun at us
I was given a shotgun as a kid
"youll shoot your eye out"
is this the average chat for this server?
Big ass double barrel and I was a small kid
yeah ofc, but Im sure there are better people here
I couldn't lift that thing to my eyes lol
I was like 10
was it a coach or a single trigger?
i am going to get it next monday
Just remind me if you can
k
I have bad memory
goodnight yall
It was probably single, or my dad was only loading one round since it was a grown man letting a kid use a shotgun
good night
Goodnight aubrey
Yeah thats fair, was it a 12 gauge?
my mama was shooting AK-47 while i was in the womb
Pretty sure it was, hard to remember, mainly from all the trauma around that
what happened?
Dude the only "trauma" I have is from my dads alcoholism Ive never gotten tauma from a injury or anything
Family member fighting another family member, I won't say much since theres probably stuff against it
oh yeah you dont have to elaborate, I can piece it together
sorry that happened
Oof
Yeah that sucks man
especially at that age
Glad to see you made it past it though
That was around the age of 13 or lower
Everyone says that part
Kids shouldnt have to go through shit like that
I don't feel much for it now
Been a while since I had to talk about it though
Most the time I'm stuck thinking about my ex gfs/bfs and not that part of my life
talking about it is a good thing though
It means your not scared of thinking about it
Never been scared of it
dude my ex was a BITCH
Dad taught me rage instead of fear
both can be good
gota learn when to quit though
theres a difference between fearlessness and stupidity
I learned melancholy and depression from the internet though, now I'm just a blank person
Look at the goos stuff in life
Nobody knows who I am, what I am, or what I sound like
Never been a fan of the outside
theres a lot to do there
Missouri weather is either cold and dry or hot and moist
I live in a gerogia swamp
its always hot and humid or cold and humid
I live in a shithole south of St Louis with a horrible HOA
hoa's are evil
I hate St Louis...
Listen, Im just reccomending you get a good hobby to keep yourself from the internet too much
...Irl Gotham
Again just gota find some good
I usually just write things online and make stories
Savannah is a shithole but if you make some genuine friends you can make it better
go make a real story doing something irl
If push comes to shove
I have to write something about Steel Order PMC's Head of Security, cause I made literally everyone but that guy
I started just lifting weights and going on runs
You remind me of my brother or my mom's boyfriend
It litterally changed my life
bad or good way
moms boyfriend doesnt sound good way
Neutral, you just match my brother's love for being healthy and my mom's boyfriend's way of never being inside unless he's sleeping
how do we report people to a mod?
I usually just dm mods
not a good option but its easy
As in, a game lobby?
which one is more responmsivbe
no someone in this server doing some shady stuff
Oh, go dm @long summit about it with proof
Pretty sure that Bot just pings the staff anyway
I love being healthy
I feel so good after cardio
I only run outside rhough
treadmills suck
I usually just do random stuff and avoid food thats probably either gonna give me acne or it's really unhealthy
I scare people when I say I'm not a fan of chocolate
no thats smart
very easy to get addicted too
Had multiple birthdays were everyone's confused on what to get me
Since I'm very simple, no cake, no chocolates, money... I like that though.
I can use my money to buy things that my family thinks isn't a good idea, thats why I own few plushes and tactical gloves
godsend
90% of my money goes to helping with hospital bills, gas and war thunder
Cheddar Cheese and Salami are my only good things
Understandable, Understandable, 🐌
I quit GTA and Warthunder for the same reasons
I felt undervalued and like a rat in a maze looking for cheese
Don’t look for outside affection
Only spent like 500 on Warthunder and a -500 on Genshin before slowly but surely becoming disillusioned with Hoyo
Look at your own progress
pusheen
I’ve had an on/off relationship with WT for 10 years
My ex bf loved that thing
I stopped like a year ago
On for 4 years
2k hours
Abusive relationship with some guys and some really bad shit made up against me along with a problematic thing, made me quit a like multi year grind with basically every nation to WW2/Cold War era
The problematic thing was involving to much pineapple juice
Never touched pineapple since
Told a guy about what happened during that and he asked "Are you suicidal?" I told him, "No, it was the pineapple juice making me feel that way."
pdw
?
mp7 or p90 would be a good choice
ohhh ok
good luck 

i would go 5.56 jhp or 7.62x51 jhp
ugh
yes? there are sbrs that wont struggle
How should i approach? seems no way works
Front door. Slowly, and cautiously
why use smgs that take 3 bullets to down when you can use a 1-2 shot rifle
Recoil
More compact, move the gun through doorways quicker
Was fortunate enough to do VOTD first try with the P90, it all comes down to the finer factors
is Door Kickers 2 any good?
… im not even gonna go into how little this matters
Please use the G18-C and get back to me on that 
you fools
i use the mk v with a switch
my wrists have already gotten surgery
they needed to make me half terminator to handle the recoil
i am superior
i've died 91 times in thank you come again
and in the 92nd attempt i was so effective that toc got jealous and gave me an F tier
did you know you can get negative ranks?
i didnt make toc jealous enough
Elucidate!
Elucidate your methods this instant
@formal osprey i saw your outfit
it looks sick
reminds me of the guys in scp: overlord
do you not attend my discourse?!
whom?
YOU!
Not YU, YOU!
no, not ME, YOU!
Did something happen to You?
no, YOU, not ME!
If i S rank a new america with friends, everyone gets the tatto and the watch?
yup
Thanks
How’s everyone
Must bring DMR sized rifle...
put a switch on it
SR-16 gameplay
Who dare summons Oblock “Glockenspiel” Switchyion
This Vexes me
anyone else notice there are two forms of the PD station in the new update? you can find a lot of evidence around the station in both forms
less than vex 3 did to me when i was tiny
Ye shalt be condemned to Three Letter Triad, heavy kevlar, and two mags for the Raider PDW
no incapacitations
what the fuck
gg ez
did you see what server that emoji is from
raider pdw doesnt even have iron sights 😭
hows your wife
One like and I will start executing civilians 5 miles away from the swat team

Is it better to have no ballistic mask or have a ballistic mask?
Chemical or Kinetic...
Chemically, the gas mask works to stop CS effects and Poison Gas, Ballistic Mask can tank a round or two
btw you look like the FISA guy who tells you to close the container if you use the ballistic facemask
Said like a true USIA plant
I use Mask just for the bullet proof aspect
Rarely do I need protection against CS
i use neither for the drip 😎
hats because you can make cooler outfits
i wish i had hats for better patrol officer larp
no face armor at all + balaclava mod

Gas mask
i usually run nods anyway
or if im using gas m320 (50% of the time because fsb spetsnaz gaming) i wear a gas mask
i think the gas mask has a tiny bit of ballistic protection
the game doesnt have like a transparent full faceshield or mandible shield
and prolly for the better it just bogs you down
and you're more likely to be torso shredded
or blown up by a boobytrap
Is there any benefit to not run nods?
Xbox edition
Do you wanna get one shot on the head instantly or survive a couple of them?
you can run nods with face armor
never tried that
you can also use nods with gasmask
i never bothered to change my loadouts in ages
you can use nods no matter what as long as you have a helmet
You can use nods with anything
I forgot to mention I was talking about the ballistic mask
like the SERT one?
The one that's attached to your helmet
Its so crazy we have ballistic masks but no simple balaclava in quick play
And protects your face

that one has no down sides other than slightly worse visibility i think
but it looks kinda stupid
I used the ballistic mask alot because judge didn't have a balaclava
Oh, always ballistic face mask.
thats because in real life NO ONE uses balaclavas
Ohhh
though they do use gasmasks which look sick
but only when they are using gas
Nahhh, a good chunk of police department has SWAT wears balaclava.
📠
like fucking where
ive watched SO MANY bodycam videos and NO swat units use balaclavas
atleast not in the US where the game is set
They do exists, just not as common as media makes it out to be.
Just search up any SWAT on the internet, you’ll find a bunch of example of SWAT wearing balaclava.
are you talking about google images
Yeah.
those are FAR from accurate
A lot of misinformation here
Bleh.
#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message
@warped oak did you use lethal guns and shot down the suspects? In that case, you have to use less-lethal guns and tools.
Trying to make a RoN Lfg Console server have most everything set up, so if you’re a console player join up. If you join eventually we’ll have hundreds of console players to play with!! CONSOLE ONLY!!!
aka not kill anybody
and complete all side objectives
damm, platformist.
swat dont?
ah the one who's asking how he didnt s+
i thought completion time and non lethal arrest of suspects
maybe
but also it wouldnt kill to wear face covers
balaclava + helmet
classic combo
but the police department would just be wasting money
hello
That's ridiculous
like 6$ per person
its like 15-20 dollars per mask
or they can buy their own
if you look at actual professionally made balaclavas they are alot more
hmm fair
the cheapest you can get a decent balaclava is like 10 dollars
Many swat or similar units in other countries use balaclavas to conceal their identity
i have a balaclava thats about that
not in america
cheap
Los Suenos Police issues its officers m14’s.
also why tf do they need to conceal their identities
but does balaclava cost matter?
whats?
I’m pretty sure their department gagged and bound their accountant a long time ago.
dang bro right i js thought itd look cool
not necessarily on the m14s
Nothing youre saying makes sense
gng what is a m14
id imagine its nam surplus
WW2 era rifle.
😂
everything ive said makes plenty since
more like nam
Balaclavas are messing up police department budgets. What
OH THE M14
Fair. End of WW2, approaching Nam.
basically a .308 m1 garand with a detachable mag
that was OLD gng
idt the m14 even made it to korea
For some reason Los Suenos PD just has a bunch of M14’s.
it wasnt end of ww2 it was definently nam
they were still issued garlands
a lotta police departments used nam surplus
no they dont
back a long time ago they did
back when that was one of the easiest rifles to acquire
meanwhile m14s were favored as a marksman rifle
a lot of situations that SWAT are in require shooting from sniper rifle distance
like for the entry team?
like recently i saw a video where like 6 SWAT members were trailing behind a guy through multiple fields
in police snipers are used for mid range and for maximum precision elimination of suspects which is crucial to civilian safety
NOT EVERYTHING SWAT DOES IS CQC
Sniper team is separate from entry teams obviously
yeah but most of the environments entry teams go to are cq
Rule of thumb is if CQB can be avoided, you avoid it.
and at most close-mid urban
Since CQB sucks.
EXACTLY
its like 50% AT MOST
this type of police tactical unit deployment happens more so in counterinsurgency
There’s an old saying. "If you’ve ended up in a CQB scenario. Someone, somewhere, fucked up."
have you seen the video of the suspect throwing a knife at a SWAT officer that was stacked up on a doorway and it like sliced his arm open
like iraqi swat in mosul
That's where police and military differ a bit
or pnp saf in marawi
thats the military
dafuq
where do entry teams mostly operate
in cities
in suburban
So what do you guys think what guns they will add in the future
and they are tasked to enter BUILDINGS
Or what would you like to see be added
and in-building combat is inherently mostly CQB-close range
and rarely do police tactical units engage in inter-building entry or combat
no they are tasked to stop dangerous situations
unless like i said earlier they are deployed for COIN
in where
You generalize too much. There are many different scenarios. Arrest warrants pr barricaded suspects don't require immediate entry. Hostage situations do.
buildings
houses
apartment blocks
shopping centers
traffic stops
im talking about engagement ranges
Swat doing traffic stops now?
how many times are tactical units deployed for traffic stops
thats the job of patrol units
no if a traffic stop goes badly and they are armed sometimes swat is sent
except in some countries where they are deployed during high risk periods
Yea ok sure
out in the open urban shootouts are rare these days
and usually dont entail engagement past the close range threshold
WHO SAID IT WAS URBAN
100 meters
dont police tactical units mostly operate in urban
MOSTLY
I agree with you
NOT ALWAYS
when was the last small town shootout that a police tactical unit had
like a really big one
like just a few steps down from north hollywood big
who said that swat has to be involved in big shootouts
they dont
but regular cops are given patrol rifles to ensure that whenever possible
Youre making statements based off of YouTube videos where they show the most outrageous situations
swat dont have to be deployed for active shootouts
but in dangerous barricaded suspect or hostage situations
i intentionally look for the LEAST crazy things to base my info off of
swat is in fact needed
but patrol units should be able to handle active shooters and traffic stops
on the active shooters
because they are first response, they need to end an active shooting quickly
A good 70% of situations where SWAT is called result in the suspects coming out of the buildimg with their hands up.
RoN paints a skewed image of what their day to day job is like for the purposes of better gameplay.
e.g. a school shooting
Traffic stops sure. Active shooters as first responders
true
and thats an ideal
theres been moments when like 50 SWAT members are deployed to 1 shooter
in an ideal world the suspect surrenders every time
Absolutely
depends
that is few of cases
which again is why patrol units got rifles after north hollywood
This is true. After the Columbine incident, a hands off approach to an active shooter situation is no longer doctrine,
and in the modern day police depts are training their beat cops to stop active shooters
First responders will put on a tac vest and head in.
Hello
they have vests on like all the times gng
so back to my main point about engagement ranges
The point is...first responders. Tactical units are called in as well
I do somewhat agree with this, it doesn't make sense to me that 4 guys robbing a gas station needs a SWAT team to clear it and I highly doubt that any negations were happening
Pre-1999. Police policy was to cordon off the area and wait for swat to arrive.
most LEO deployments and use of force take place in
CQB-close range environments
engagement ranges
where do they operate?
houses
apartment blocks
and in establishments
It's totally feasible that a swat team is called to a gas station with 4 active shooters, possible hostages and already civilian casualties
inter-building and operations in buildings with large open spaces is rare
i feel like ready or not is insanely unrealistic
Barricaded hostage situations are almost always Swat domain.
Generally immediate entry is reserved for active shooter situations. LEO won’t risk patrol officers unless the suspects are actively engaging in killing civilians.
It is
Okay fair but it still doesn't make sense to me
and that or police tac units being deployed for close-mid urban inter-building combat is more if the police is used as a COIN tool which is rare in the US
It's a game after all. A lot of aspects are not realistic
like in mosul where SWAT were deployed to fight ISIS
Okay this makes more sense
because the entry teams go to mostly CQB scenarios
like searching HOUSES or RESIDENTIAL BLOCKS or ESTABLISHMENTS
yes
TOC says at the start of most missions "negotiations have failed"
If RoN was realistic, we’d be clearing 85% of the game with a team 3-4 times the size.
important factor
in barricaded suspects
it'd be like 30 people and 2 bearcats and like 1-4 suspects
Of course
better overkill than understaffed
I think for ron it should come down to reasonable suspension of disbelief
Cause id say swat 4 feels more believable in terms of scenarios than ready or not by a mile
true tho.
usually SWAT never deploys just one entry team
but in lore as well im guessing the LSPD is stretched thin
SWAT 4 blows RoN out of the water in the realism of the situations
Which in most cases, I don't see the traditional negotiations, like I imagine from things like Ruby Ridge.
SWAT 4 is genuinely probably one of the most realistic games out there
Swat 4 also had more realistic suspect counts. Although this was due to engine limitations.
In RoN, they increased the suspect count by double-triple on some missions without increasing the standard team size from Swat 4.
what are average expected engagement ranges there
In real life a perimeter around the building would be secured. Eyes on every entry
Like what, are you calling the suspects?
Yeah in lore lspd just gets things dumped on them
I do wish we saw more of a police presence in maps tho because most of them are so empty feeling
mid to short
Swat 4s suspect ai and roe is done in a more interesting way imo
Ready or not is rainbow six by comparison
hotels, clubs
No never that far
thats VERY long range
I like Swat 4’s AI. They have a major focus on setting traps, holding corners, and retreating.
I don't think there are any sightings that for above 100
im going off of military measurements
RoN AI are downright suicidal.
i think mid would be like 50 meters at most
hence how I say police operate mostly in close range-CQB
RoN AI have crazy motives though
It is a shame
thats quite short
Some of them yes.
1 meter is 3 feet
the ones without are more complient
explains a lot
But you telling me some no-life 2 bit gangster knocking off a store are gonna bum rush a Swat Team with nothing but hope and a handgun?
that sounded kinda racist
i mean explains a lot as in you are in a lot lower crime area im pretty sure
feet is technically a more precise way of getting sub-maneuver distance measurements (km/mi)
but for micro measurements cm is more precise
than in
but to be consistent i almost always use metric
and my primary reference is a meter stick
100cm=1m
The heck is a meter?
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The reason we have the Imperial System is cause the ship carrying the metric measurements heading to the U.S was pirated.
You can thank pirates for the Imperial System.
that aside
ill give yall an example of a meter length
the average suburban house lot where i live is 5 meters wide
Military uses metric a lot
i love pirates
i live in the texas countryside
How old are you
14
For real?
yuh
I take back everything bad Ive said to you
why
People live in texas?
Because youre young and can't know everything
but im so nerdy about ts
i just dont wanna admit im wrong
Youre 14, I did 18 years in the military
Lol it's all good
goddamn
i still want to know why tf a SWAT unit would need to hide their identity
Are the servers down?
Rq ima go grocery but one quick correction i'll make
to me cqb is much closer to up to 10m
and short would be out to up to 50-100
mid is up to 300
To protect themselves and their families from potential bribes, threats or retaliation from criminal elements
heh
Simple as that
cqb would be like 20 meters at most
true
makes sense
so then why dont all SWAT units and patrol officers use balaclavas?
I had almost finished my A New America Hard achievement solo and it kicked me out 
ive never seen 1 scenario where they do
ive seen so many videos of officers arresting meth-heads and crackheads and none of them wear balaclavas
Can you use the move to exit command on civilians on all missions or just certain missions??
To be fair its not entirely uncommon I guess just not well documented
A majority of Counter Terrorism units and armed police I've seen tend to wear face coverings
all mission.
It's common for Counter-Terrorism and specialized tactical units to wear face coverings (balaclavas) in environments where high-risk criminal organizations like gangs and cartels operate to protect their own identity. These gangs tend to know who works there and gather info on families etc to have leverage.
Usually in those environments, any one in the special units wouldn't tell you they were doing it because of the risk
Bro im confused asf rn, on ironman mode i made it buy cheap buy twice, died on carrier of the vine. No officers dead but still have my progress saved.. on top of that i thought i lost all progress but it didnt delete its still there😭

