💬general-discussion

[dusty hornet]

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[covert vigil]

[dusty hornet]

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[dusky summit]

[dusty hornet]

i swear to great heavens above this server ban gif or something

[regal summit]

stickers only

[dusty hornet]

wait i forgot what was i doing

[uneven basin]

If it was something besides complaining or arguing, good for you!

[regal summit]

When are we gonna see kam complaining

I mean besides what he said earlier about the subway surfer dev updates

[uneven basin]

I'm sure he is being paid to keep a level head

[regal summit]

Me personally, there's not enough money in the world to pay me to not rip into people

I crave violence

Also this is a joke if a future employer needs me

[uneven basin]

😂

[uneven basin]

My resume just says "doesn't crave violence"

[dusky summit]

a future employer could give less of a fuck what you said in a random discord server

[uneven basin]

K it was a joke

[dusky summit]

I assumed so, I was just saying

Although it's nice that you're speaking for them

[dusty hornet]

i thought we're living in cancel culture where you can cancle over the most random shit you said on the internet

[dusky summit]

letting me know what they said was a joke

[stuck kernel]

who's got the new merch?

[dusty hornet]

there's RoN merch?

[dusky summit]

Please don't buy the merch lmao

it's literally dropshipped tshirts

[uneven basin]

Not I. Waiting for the return of the venerable mousepad from the pre alpha days

Or ykno RON branded meth

[stuck kernel]

thats how make profit

[dusky summit]

Urh

you can make profit without dropshippin

if Void is good with their money they have the money to make all their merch in-house

[uneven basin]

Do you like do anything here besides criticize things and start arguments?

[dusky summit]

and that's more profitable than dropshipping

[dusky summit]

I'm saying spend your money on something better

there's no reason to support a dev team who doesn't care about you

[dusty hornet]

idk, i just drops by and said something random or being silly

[dusky summit]

also "Starting arguments"

brother you guys decide to argue with me

there wouldn't be an argument if I could just give my opinion like everybody else does

[green tusk]

Everyone move on

[dusky summit]

It'd be cool if I could give my opinions without it being an issue

[dusty hornet]

the ghillie suit in a building is speaking

[dusky summit]

free speech for thee but not for me

[gaunt holly]

Post dog for free speech

One dog post = 1 free speech pass

[green tusk]

Not mathematically accurate but I like the spirit

[cobalt granite]

arma 🤮

[rigid bone]

:(

ArmA fun

[boreal pelican]

NO.

[cobalt granite]

Arma players when the game doesn't have 20+ menus to walk forward (it lacks realism)

[rigid bone]

Honestly, most people only use ace. Unless you're a medic, all you need to know is how to put your earplugs in

Which is holding a button to open a menu, then clicking on the option with your mouse

[crude leaf]

when arma adds immersive pooping with a button for each stage of the process then its a good game

[uneven basin]

Wait arma has earplugs?

[rigid bone]

Only with the ACE mod

[uneven basin]

Oh ace is a mod k

[rigid bone]

Yer, it expands the medical system, lets you do repairs on vehicles, lets you drag wounded allies into cover, stuff like that

[uneven basin]

I only just got it on sale recently. Thinking maybe I can break my way into a group as a helo pilot since I got through Take On Helicopyers just fine

[rigid bone]

Well we do bi-monthly ArmA nights if you'd like to join. :>

[uneven basin]

Ooh neat 😄

[rigid bone]

Next months is gonna be a 40k themed Zeus OP

[uneven basin]

Is there a modlist for that

[rigid bone]

Not quite yet. Sorting through what all the mods have and what we'll be using, doing work for the upcoming DLC is making that hard though

[uneven basin]

Ok. Thanks

[dusky summit]

maybe you could focus less on the DLC then

I thought the DLC was meant to just be maps, don't you guys have people who specifically work on those?

at least that's what I was told last time I was here

[rigid bone]

Maps, Guns, and Gear yes

[dusky summit]

so the DLC does include stuff other than maps?

coulda sworn last time I was in here that it was only maps

[rigid bone]

Yes, it'll be structed similarly to DLC 1

[dusky summit]

Lmao gross

so we're gonna lock specific guns and gear behind DLC now too?

or is that free?

[rigid bone]

The guns, just like with DLC 1, will be free

Though I'd hope that as a fellow CM you'd do a little more research before speaking like the average consumer

[dusky summit]

I'm not a CM

well for Encase I am

but they're not even launched lmao

also "you'd do a little more research"

Though, I'd hope, as a CM, you'd do a better job at explaining the situation for DLC

obviously I'm going to assume when the only information I have is the information you're giving me

[uneven basin]

It was in several newsletters

[dusky summit]

I don't read the news letters so your point?

I asked a question and was given information and then based my next question on the info I was given

if you had said "Guns and Gear are free, maps are paid" it'd have been a very short conversation lmao

[rigid bone]

You can report them via @long summit

[dusky summit]

I also think as a CM you should do better at being less belittling

[rigid bone]

The giveaway isn't based on what you say

[rigid bone]

Your questions are combative and pointed, commenting 'lmao gross' to a statement that answers your questions answers quite a bit.

[dusky summit]

It's not a good look for a company when their community manager is actively looking down on their community

[dusky summit]

Huh?

my question were questions

they had no ill-intent behind them, you're assuming they did

[rigid bone]

I'm not assuming anything that your chat history hasn't already shown

[dusky summit]

uh, yes you are lmao

[uneven basin]

Nah

[dusky summit]

I can't be "combative" if I'm not fighting anyone or pushing back against anyone

I'm simply asking a question, and you got pissy that I did

you didn't do a good job at explaining the DLC so I had to ask another question

Not my fault that you suck at your job

[crude lake]

Bro.. fuck off.

[uneven basin]

He did a great job explaining it in the newsletters you don't read

[dusky summit]

I don't care about reading the newsletters and as a CM you shouldn't expect everyone does

[uneven basin]

Are you noticing a pattern m8

[dusky summit]

so he shouldn't get mad when he does a bad job explaining it in this discord and I have to ask again to clarify

[dusky summit]

Dude, he's a community manager

it's his job to answer questions and manage the community

[crude lake]

Stop baiting into the nothingness for no reason.

[dusky summit]

him getting pissy about having to do is job is crazy

[dusky summit]

Dude, you're literally not even part of the conversation and have no reason to be here other than to try and start shit with me

I'm talking to the CM, and have an issue with the CM, so let me handle it WITH the CM

[uneven basin]

Pointing out your behavior isn't "being pissy" anymore than pointing out it's unwanted is "violating free speech" or whatever

[dusky summit]

Huh? lmao

I don't give you shit for your opinions

but just because mine is different, you get upset

I wasn't saying you're "violating" free speech, I was saying you're being a hypocrite

[green tusk]

I think you should probably take a break for a bit

[dusky summit]

I could literally just talk to the CM

like I was trying to, without a bunch of random people jumping in

I had no issues until then

[uneven basin]

I don't mind your disagreeing I just think you're an asshole about it kek

[green tusk]

You could but that’s not what you’re doing

[dusky summit]

Because they're fucking dogpiling me?

am I not supposed to defend myself?

jesus christ you're a terrible mod

I'm having issues with the CM and trying to talk to him, and then they join the conversation

[rigid bone]

Firstly, you're talking in a public forum.
Second, you're assuming quite a bit from me as well, you're just another dude, not worth getting upset over.
Third, please don't attack my staff like that.

It was a suggestion, not a order or a mod action

[dusky summit]

He literally targeted me, when other people are causing issues

I'm just trying to talk to you, not them

[rigid bone]

I say again, you're talking in a public forum

[crude lake]

And he gone... sad.

[modest fern]

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[modest fern]

Christmas! Just one month away! Wow!

[rigid bone]

Alrighty, let's chill

[unreal shard]

@rigid bone I think RoN should add ranks. Like from police officer to swat team then to special forces. Not like R6, more like CoD campaign

[uneven basin]

Pshew

[rigid bone]

[uneven basin]

Pog

[mighty kernel]

Guys i rlly love dev team of this sick game and all

[rigid bone]

I believe we're in the autumn sale that's coming up

[mighty kernel]

but i think that its wrong to focus on adding DLC to the game and make people pay money for that

i mean the game itself is not cheap

and u make players pay 4 basicly updates

[rigid bone]

That's why we do the guns for free and make it so only hosts need the DLC, so that at least everyone is getting something

[uneven basin]

There's also just the general qol updates that aren't paywalled

[rigid bone]

Making people pay for that would be evil

[pliant briar]

meanwhile the game being $50

[mighty kernel]

i mean to me the dlc thats now the home invasion aint so big to make people pay money 4 that u could add it like bigger upadate or something

[modest fern]

Pretty sure they said in the letter that after this DLC they'll be working on a free update (apart from the free update with the DLC)

Might've hallucinated that part with how people respond to it

[mighty kernel]

oh i missed that

[rigid bone]

No we did confirm that

Between DLCs 2 and 3 will be a free content drop

[mighty kernel]

ahh finally

i feel like its been ages since last free update

like bigger one

[gaunt holly]

Getting close

[pliant briar]

have you forgot about the ue5 port?

[uneven basin]

Do you think the incidence of mods breaking is going to be less often post-ue5 port?

[pliant briar]

obviously

[uneven basin]

Mod maps are cool

But it's tiring when they break

[modest fern]

I imagine the answer is a yesn't

I expect AI mods to shit themselves again

[pliant briar]

no, it's 100% less often when an update doesn't include a whole engine change

and even if an update breaks maps, it would be an easy fix (compared to porting the map to ue5)

[modest fern]

Just you wait until the UE7 port

[gaunt holly]

I like maps

[green tusk]

Ah yes, an easy fix for which the cause is unknown

[rigid bone]

That entirely depends on what's tweaked and what's not.

[pliant briar]

took them almost 10 years to release a major update to the engine, so i think ready or not is as safe as it gets

unless "pvp in <a lot of> years" isn't a joke

[reef mirage]

Hey will C.O.A.S.T. have it's own uniform?

[crude leaf]

by the looks of the DLC's image on steam yeah
looks to be based off of some coastal guard kit from the 90s or something I believe

I forget the name of the branch

[crude lake]

Coalition Of Action Stacked Terminators

[crude leaf]

ok maybe not from a specific coast guard branch but the gear looks like VBSS gear

[green tusk]

There has been no official trailer or gear shown yet

Unless the images on the briefing show it, but they might not

[crude leaf]

the picture for the DLC on steam

has swat guys in what looks like VBSS gear so theres a decent chance that might be some new cosmetics I'd say

[crude leaf]

yeah that

[green tusk]

Wouldn’t be the first time gear in promo materials isn’t real

So I wouldn’t look too much into it

[pliant briar]

looks like vietnam flashbacks

[green tusk]

When the actual trailer comes out soon that should show it

[crude leaf]

well all the other promo art is like, early models mostly no?
this is brand spanking new so I'd say theres atleast some hope

[pliant briar]

iirc trailers have shown what you actually end up not getting too

[uneven basin]

I hope so. It would be nice to have some more gear that isn't just camo or black.

[pliant briar]

wym, that's modern tactical gear

[crude leaf]

Im always happy for some new drip that isnt more high cut helmets and plate carriers

[uneven basin]

I mean you're right, it is. But still.

[crude leaf]

screw modernization
embrace tradition
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/982

[pliant briar]

but true, i would love to see a bicycle helmet as an option fr

[uneven basin]

In the 90s delta was using skateboarding helmets with the whole Mogadishu business

[crude leaf]

looks to be a bit more than the skater helmets if the promo art is anything to go off of

[uneven basin]

Really hoping for some Navy colored stuff

[crude leaf]

yeah been using mods for navy blue

would love to finally get it officially

[uneven basin]

I really like the blue swat 99 outfit

[crude leaf]

real

[uneven basin]

Maybe not the helmet

[crude leaf]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1990s_US_NAVY_SEAL_TEAM8_VBSS_.jpg
outfits on the promo look quite similar to this
albiet we cant see the colours on the ready or not image

[crude leaf]

nah full helmet all the way for me, none of that high cut stank

[gaunt holly]

Waiting for the boonie to drop

[uneven basin]

Mmmm yeah

If we get that mp5sd I'm gonna need new pants

[crude leaf]

regular hats would be quite nice though of course not practical

[uneven basin]

Ball cap and earpro is a look

[gaunt holly]

Keeps the sun out of your eyes. It's plenty practical

[gaunt holly]

For poors like me, yeah

[crude leaf]

heres another picture if it will let me send the link
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/rvgzpi/seal_team_8_operators_during_a_vbss_exercise_1991/#lightbox

what an awful subreddit name

[rigid bone]

I'll have to see if we can sneak that in last minute

[uneven basin]

OH GAWD

[crude leaf]

I did see someone mention it looks like someone has an mp5sd in the promo image but its hard to tell

[pliant briar]

fyi: mp5 will suck integrally suppressed or not

[crude leaf]

yeah but its so cooool

[uneven basin]

best irons in the game, only ones I'll actually use

[gaunt holly]

Promos are full of lies tho. Don't be deceived. There was a time when everyone thought a new function to drag wounded friends out of danger was going to be implemented bc of a promo video

[pliant briar]

sights aren't really used in cqb though

[pliant jungle]

The engine is not directly aware of additional frames generated by frame generation, so built-in frame rate and frame time metrics may be missing information.

[crude leaf]

of course but its fun to speculate

[uneven basin]

Any new clothes good

[pliant briar]

is that legal?

[unreal shard]

I tilt my gun and turn on the laser to boost accuracy

[uneven basin]

It was not a gameplay trailer, just a cinematic tbh

[gaunt holly]

Lol why would it not be legal? Just cool video to promote the game

[crude leaf]

also it would seem like a waste if they made those models just for the promos
the trailer was all animated and not gameplay footage so people thinking you could drag people in the trailer are prying at nothing
most other promo art is of old models from early alpha iiac

[pliant briar]

it was still promotional, right?

so that's like false advertising

[crude leaf]

not really

[uneven basin]

Maybe we should just post a link

[rigid bone]

Which trailer was that?

[gaunt holly]

Not exactly. Promo vids don't even need to include in game content

[crude leaf]

the 1.0 one

[uneven basin]

The "are you ready?"

[gaunt holly]

1.0 release

[uneven basin]

During the datacenter bit

[crude leaf]

I remeber people thinking the game was adding
dragging downed squad members
hostage negotiation
and weapon jamming
because those were in the trailer. But its not a gameplay trailer so

[pliant briar]

should include a disclaimer "not ingame footage" then

[crude leaf]

I mean, its kinda obvious it isnt

[waxen latch]

Yeah nah. Gerby shut that down immediately

The day after

[uneven basin]

If you were expecting it to be gameplay you'd think it was a gears of war cover shooter with a police reskin

[waxen latch]

They had to clarify features

[crude leaf]

yeah lol

[pliant briar]

people exist, and not all of them are as bright as others unfortunately

[crude leaf]

every scene in that trailer has something that isnt a game mechanic lol

[pliant briar]

so i would say it's better to be redundant than to deal with angry people later

[uneven basin]

The negotiating with the hostage taker is almost real

It's like a dramatization of what could happen with a negotiator on your team

[green tusk]

I do wish the hostage holders didn’t always immediately start blasting in game

[crude leaf]

but then he shoots a red gas tank and explodes which also doesnt happen in game

[gaunt holly]

That would be cool if they could implement that with some kind of push to talk function

[uneven basin]

Yeah. However the meth labs do explode sometimes with flashbangs and such

[green tusk]

Like they could just hold the hostage and stand fully behind them

[crude leaf]

could say that for pretty much every suspect lol
but yeah hostage takers could do with more behaviours

[gaunt holly]

See who has the most rizz and calm down baddies

[pliant briar]

ron if tiktok wasn't invented:

[crude leaf]

they could hide behind the hostage and maybe back away to an exit before making a run for it

[unreal shard]

They do. For me I always have to push V to activate my mic

[gaunt holly]

I meant for defusing hostage situations

[unreal shard]

Ohhh

[uneven basin]

From watching bodycam footage my biggest thing I think is immersion breaking is that the suspects don't do way more whining arguing bitching and crying like children throwing a tantrum

[unreal shard]

Yeah that would be awesome

[gaunt holly]

"hey buddy, I'm gonna need you to chillax so I can get my S rank"

[crude leaf]

character dialogue in general is just off
civvies are always super aggressive to you if they dont comply. theres no defiant confusion or anything like that

[uneven basin]

Chillax automatic -20 stress

[pliant briar]

or you can just shoot them with a beanbag ingame with no repercussions...

[crude leaf]

then also it seems people will play their non-compliant voice lines even if you're not yelling at them, so a random civvie you havent ran into will be swearing at you from the room above

[uneven basin]

They have started adding some of that to the datacenter but it has taken a while

[green tusk]

Early access voice lines

So silly

[crude leaf]

some of those lines

[uneven basin]

My MOM was a mexican maid 😄

[crude leaf]

I've never heard that one tbh haha

[pliant briar]

alpha swat vo was peak

[crude leaf]

its that one generic male hostage voice where he goes
"Please we're over here help" with his voice cracking on every word

[green tusk]

You might know her

[fallen sail]

Nice tattoos

[crude leaf]

or those weird whispery dudes in meth house with a bag over their head. I always hated that voice type

[uneven basin]

I think of that every time you handcuff a dancer on neon and they say "my EX boyfriend was a cop"

[green tusk]

Deal’s off! Who ratted!?!????

[crude leaf]

or the generic male suspect on like, every level

fuck off you pig

I just wanna go home 😢

[green tusk]

Please officer I’m complying

[uneven basin]

Real spit (not shit) man, I gotta drug prollem

[crude leaf]

Bootlicker!

gas station suspect voices im fine with tbh
just wish the suspects in the briefing were actually unique NPCs rather than sometimes cloning themselves or not showing up to their robbery 🙃

[uneven basin]

I'LL SHOOT MAHSELF BEFORE I GIVE UP
YOU'RE JUST GON HAVE TO SHOOT MEH

• the most hilarious last suspect bugged with invulnerability during an s run

[uneven basin]

Swat 4

[crude leaf]

the final suspect of a ready or not run being blessed with the power of god just to ruin your day

[crude leaf]

yup lol

even the female hostage in the briefing can just not spawn on gas

the mother of the child you have to report who is a "priorty to rescue" apparently just often times isnt there

[gaunt holly]

I miss the days when suspect voice lines went like this:

"I CAN HEAR 'EM!"
"I CAN HEAR 'EM!"
"I CAN HEAR 'EM!"

[green tusk]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[crude leaf]

opens door
"I CAN HEAR 'EM"

"WE GOT COPS COMING"

[pliant briar]

why no error handling

[gaunt holly]

spots you
"SWAT!!!!!"

[crude leaf]

"Shi- fuck you!"

[uneven basin]

I used to grunt "THEY'RE HERE" in VO in public lobbies to mess ppl up. Good times

[crude leaf]

lool

[unreal shard]

😭

The voices in the walls talking to me

Y’all hear voices in the walls?

[pliant briar]

says a lot about public lobbies tbh

[uneven basin]

It was good clean fun

[unreal shard]

One of my teammates were blasting 4 big guys😭

[uneven basin]

I would really like a mod that replaces the test subject in the PD with the psychiatrist

"How's your team doin'?"
taze

[unreal shard]

Valid

[green tusk]

The passive aggressive messages after finishing a commander mission

It’s been a while. You should stop by

No man, judge doesn’t need it

He’s a chill guy

[uneven basin]

S rank - "heyyyy haven't heard from you in a while, we're always here if you need us"

"What with all that bad press you're getting"

[unreal shard]

They should have a function that the chosen operator voice will say what you write in the chat during a mission

[uneven basin]

"Peepeepoopoo"

[uneven basin]

The more time goes on the funnier that is

[green tusk]

Oh shit guys the dlc launch is right now

[uneven basin]

Just as the dead sea scrolls predicted

[pliant briar]

by the time the dlc drops they would be called elder scrolls :P

[green tusk]

Why are we getting dlc before 1.0 launch anyway

[uneven basin]

Wheeze

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/matrix_revisited.png

[unreal shard]

Imagine hearing Judge saying “bout to bust”😂

[uneven basin]

It has crossed my mind to make a voice mod at some point. Then I recorded a few hundred lines in my car and realized that it sounds like you're wearing a bane mask if you do that

[green tusk]

Yeah you have to have a good setup since people play with headphones

Or should at least

Unless you’re making a meme mod, then who cares

[uneven basin]

Nah, i really like the FBI mod from American01 or whatever his name is, wanted to do something similar

[dusky yew]

Hello, guys, I just started RoN. I'm on second mission, 23 MB.
In brefing there is an info that building has 2nd entry point. Can I use it? How to chose entry point?

[uneven basin]

There's the front courtyard and a stairwell off to the right. You don't need to select anything for that mission

[dusky yew]

Ah, so there is only 1 entry point. I was searching every piece of UI to find a menu for that

[uneven basin]

That's ok. Some missions do have that

[dusky yew]

Alright, thanks for help

[crude leaf]

we need moonbase alpha TTS for in-game chat me thinks

[uneven basin]

Np 🙂

aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou

I wanted to make a voice mod because I missed some of the human flavor from SWAT 4. Teammates call you "boss", make silly comments like "hell yeah" for planting c2, stuff like that, which you do get a bit of in multiplayer as well. So the concept for me was between more human dialogue and having a more distinguishable individual AI teammate. I also really like some stuff I've seen from bodycams like announcing "POLICE DEPARTTMENT SEARCH WARRANT" during a breach, and SWAT 3's deadpan yet very serious voicelines both for player and AI

But also it's a lotta work and I don't know stuff about sound

I like the FBI one so much because the dude yells and screams as if it's actually life and death to get ppl to drop their guns

Feels more raw than Judge's action hero VO

I guess overall a wider range of expression from muted to humorous to aggressive

[gaunt holly]

That's why prescott #1

[hollow thorn]

custom voicelines would be sick

[uneven basin]

Yeah some of the AI voice packs manage this pretty well but not all of em

I also really like the TOC mods that sound like the stereotypical 911 dispatcher lady

One line I really wanted to include was "knock knock motherfuckers" for deploying the battering ram haha

[stuck kernel]

nice i like to hear free content

[uneven basin]

Maybe I'll try again at some point

[stuck kernel]

surly there's got to be a way

[inner linden]

Anyone know if they plan to add female officers?

[uneven basin]

Would love that. No idea

[inner linden]

Yeah me too friend

[pliant briar]

yes

[pale fossil]

I'm of the mind of "Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye" when I use the breaching shotgun or c2

[uneven basin]

"Say goodbye to Mr. Door" was one of my favorites from SWAT 4

[pale fossil]

loads m1014 with malicious intent all I'm surrounded by is fear and dead men

[uneven basin]

I'm starting to get the feeling you would also have very cohesive vision for a voice pack lol

[rustic mauve]

Question. What’s a tactical run?

[gaunt holly]

That's up for interpretation. basically means nothing

[crude leaf]

idk if there is an actualy anwer to that really

is it cod that has the second sprint type they call tactical sprint or something, which is just faster but slower recovery

but uuh yeah a pretty broad question and not really many definitive answers

[pale fossil]

It's whatever you want it to be

It can be slow and steady quiet clear

[uneven basin]

I would assume that a tactical run is playing through a level with as much teamwork as possible, probably utilizing a lot of cqb, waiting for cover, basically taking the game seriously

[pale fossil]

Or it can be gas, flashes and shotguns

[gaunt holly]

However this is rarely ever the case when a group says they are playing "tactical"

[crude leaf]

wait tactical run as in
physical running
or
a run as in a match of a game lol

[pale fossil]

Either way, I'm gunna ventilate a new hole for them with 12 gauge buckshot

[gaunt holly]

Just a loose term thrown around to the point it is meaningless

[crude leaf]

tactical really is just, using tactics. So its basically just, playing the game and using what you have to get an advantage.

meaningless buzzword

[pale fossil]

I have a shotgun and loose trigger discipline does that count

[rustic mauve]

Ohhh ok ok.

[crude leaf]

well its a tactic I suppose

[pale fossil]

Nobody can complain if there's no intact body to complain

[runic aspen]

id return to this game if they were

its just not even realistic if youre not even representing the women working in swat/leo

[rustic mauve]

Wait so in the end it’s just… whatever.

[runic aspen]

soooo representation??!?!?!

[uneven basin]

Bro showed up to play Judge Dredd

[crude leaf]

they mentioned wanting to add female officers during early access. Might still happen but who knows

[crude leaf]

yeah

whatever you deem as "tactical"

[runic aspen]

i have little to no faith
a thing with people is they like to say things that sound nice but in actuality they dont care about it at all

void is no different here

[pale fossil]

Judge Dredd asks me how to commit police brutality. He learned it, I was born with it in my blood

[uneven basin]

Tru

Oh my god lmao

[crude leaf]

coordination, making use of equipment and stratagy to achieve a goal is probably what I'd consider tactical

[rustic mauve]

I was wondering why they didn’t have female officers.

[rustic mauve]

Hmm, ok ok.

[uneven basin]

Cause it's a lot of redoing mocap, vo, etc.

[runic aspen]

"such tactical grounded realism" when a significant portion of officers are women but missing in the game

[pale fossil]

If only I could use Nine bangers and grenades.... looks at gunfight mod oh wait... I can....

[crude leaf]

there was a lot they wanted to add during early access but we dont have in 1.0
I wouldnt say never but yknow

[runic aspen]

im a realist first and foremost

[pale fossil]

You're a pessimist first and a realist second. Give them a chance and if they fail you're right

[runic aspen]

theyve failed on a multitude of promises in the past spanning multiple years

[pale fossil]

You think you can do better? Go ahead, code in female body types, voices, hit boxes and animations. I'll wait.

[copper gazelle]

Ok so I just had the most rare experience ever

3 people on blue team

singleplayer

[runic aspen]

i cant
but i wont lie

[gaunt holly]

They're saving the female officer for when they start charging for skins bc that's where the 🪙 is at

[runic aspen]

🔮

[boreal ore]

I mean, there are already mods for female SWAT operators.

[runic aspen]

you have the same name as my bsf and for that

[uneven basin]

It is something I'm sure they'd like to do but it's a significant undertaking and they have plenty of things keeping them busy

[copper gazelle]

Is it possible to have more then 4 ai swat team members without mods?

[runic aspen]

i wonder when they had complete radio silence for the span of a couple months / half a year

[gaunt holly]

No more than 4. But you can have less

[copper gazelle]

Let me show you something that just happened to me

[uneven basin]

Fixing backend shit to upgrade to ue5 prolly? Or other things not worth reporting

[copper gazelle]

Check DMs.

[runic aspen]

the patchnotes during that time didnt exactly reflect it LOL

[boreal ore]

:D

[runic aspen]

wait its actually been 10 months thats fascinating actually

[gaunt holly]

Perhaps

[runic aspen]

yawn
posers will be posers

[copper gazelle]

has this happened to you???

[gaunt holly]

I don't think so. You should report it to the moderators

[runic aspen]

time to listen to some more lupe fisaco

[copper gazelle]

Will do. Thanks 😄

[gaunt holly]

👍

[runic aspen]

you off work yet?
remember what we was talking abt

need to go into it more

[uneven basin]

Facts

[gaunt holly]

There are so many issues with the game that affect the gameplay that devs need to work on. I'm sure creating female officer is on their list, but very low priority at this point

[pliant briar]

to be fair it doesn't seem like one affects the other

[runic aspen]

such is true, but theyre shown almost little to no progress on such core gameplay issues

[gaunt holly]

Changing to UE5 probably opened a whole new can of worms for them lol

[pliant briar]

unless animation and modeling is done by the same people as gameplay (scripting/programming)

sounds unlikely

[pliant briar]

ron is the peak of tech debt

[runic aspen]

its ggs anways if its been as long as it has been to fix the AI
which hasnt been fixed

[gaunt holly]

They might be slow, but the updates have been nice and they're heading towards the right direction

[runic aspen]

so whatever im at peace with it, some people seem to be happy with substandard products for the price

[runic aspen]

update when exactly

[pliant briar]

are they? feels like 2 steps back 1 step forward every time an update happens

[gaunt holly]

Around spring time was the last one I believe

[gaunt holly]

True, but the grand scheme of things is looking nice

[pliant briar]

mid summer actually

[runic aspen]

we are a few days away from december my friend. your hopefulness is unlike anything ive seen before

[gaunt holly]

The DLC had a lot of good signs on where they're heading

[pliant briar]

no changes to gameplay though

[runic aspen]

a paid dlc in a game lacking in content, not exorbitantly priced but you could make the argument the extra content was needed in the game anyways

[jade mantle]

hi i'm a minecraftian

[gaunt holly]

The new map designs offer a lot of potential for AI changes. Hopefully it comes through

[runic aspen]

WTF CHECK MUTUAL FRIEND

[pliant briar]

yes, the game has a lot of potential

[runic aspen]

unrealised lol

[pliant briar]

and what about it? can't say much until i see that potential actually being shown

[runic aspen]

precisely

[pliant briar]

more maps and guns won't cut it

you need a good base

[gaunt holly]

I believe 1.0 launch was peak. If they just tweaked some things there then this game would be amazing. But they dumbed down the AI too much that they're just NPC now

[uneven basin]

It's not that I necessarily disagree with any of the criticisms, but I'm having fun and don't feel the need to be all bummed out

[gaunt holly]

So they have the tools to make the game good. We just need to see what they do

[pliant briar]

peak of disappointment i assume?

[runic aspen]

dont you ever get bored of it? this game is stale after 40-50 hours

[pliant briar]

the ai was always dumb

[uneven basin]

I'm at almost 1000

[pliant briar]

making it artificially harder by making them react and move faster than you isn't making them better smh

[gaunt holly]

Was easily the best shooter of all time those first few months of 1.0 launch

[runic aspen]

one rule of being a customer in this society is to always advocate for better products

[pliant briar]

if a swat game is allegedly the best shooter something went REALLY wrong

[uneven basin]

Always be disappointed got it

[runic aspen]

^ this person is funny

[jade mantle]

who is the mutual i cant see

[gaunt holly]

Game is fun. Just enjoy it

[runic aspen]

BROOOO ITS MOOL
JUST CHECK LIKE THE FULL PROFILE VIEW AND ITS NEXT TO THE ABOUT ME

[pliant briar]

for the first hour sure

[uneven basin]

But i caaaaant my expectations are too high and i have to justify that to everyone 😢

[jade mantle]

who

[runic aspen]

you mightve forgot abt them lowk

[pliant briar]

after that it's yell (or not) -> suspects hesitates (or not) -> you shoot them or they shoot you -> repeat

[jade mantle]

i'm a burger

[runic aspen]

and not a soda?!

[gaunt holly]

Isn't this every fps minus the yelling?

[pliant briar]

no

[uneven basin]

Some of them have more buttons

[pliant briar]

most fps games wouldn't be THAT predictable

[modest fern]

The newer ones let you melee and get a cool animation where you jump into the sky and then land on them ass first

[gaunt holly]

There is melee in ron tho

[uneven basin]

Based

[pliant briar]

melee as in "oh no i can't aim, gotta go into high ready and die"

[gaunt holly]

Honestly that's a skill issue

That's an awesome detail added in the game

[pliant briar]

not that it happened to me, but that's what it is when they get too close

like they forgot melee is a thing

[gaunt holly]

Still a skill issue if they get that close. You could actually shoot them before they close in

[uneven basin]

21 foot rule exists for a reason

[fallen sail]

The weapon poke mechanic is pretty useless but its probably better it stays that way

If you could just punch melee suspects they would be pointless

[pliant briar]

i mean it would be great if you had the illusion of actually being able to do something about getting stabbed

[gaunt holly]

Fr, why bring a long gun into a grappling contest

Shoot them before it becomes a grappling contest

[fallen sail]

You do have the ability to do something: stop them before they get close

[gaunt holly]

🤓 ☝️

[uneven basin]

I don't understand what people want. Some people are having fun and some aren't and tbh no amount of discourse or updates are gonna change it for the majority of people

[pliant briar]

unless the timing is off and the gun has to go up for unknown reasons, even though you could still use it smh

[uneven basin]

The ppl having fun will enjoy changes and the people who aren't won't be satisfied

[pliant briar]

like the stock isn't glued to your shoulder

[gaunt holly]

It should be if you're trying to shoot someone before they get close enough to stab you

[pliant briar]

meanwhile stock over the shoulder

at that point accuracy is irrelevant

[gaunt holly]

I'm afraid this is inherently still a skill issue

[fallen sail]

just imagine the suspect is grabbing your gun, it's not that egregious

[gaunt holly]

Bad guy grabs your long gun that is slung to your body. Being used as a lever... I wonder why I'm getting stabbed to death 🤔

Perhaps I should have stopped the baddie before he got too close

[modest fern]

Give em the L4D2 treatment and just imagine the meth head is a hunter

[pliant briar]

unfortunately you're still missing the point

it's not about being able to defend about stabs, but some feedback that you're fucked

which doesn't equal to just hugging a wall and being stunned

[gaunt holly]

We do get feedback when we're fucked. We die. Lol

[silk briar]

the methhead ain't missing the point with that knife

[gaunt holly]

Idk how much more feedback you can ask for than dying. It's pretty clear to me

[pliant briar]

could've been an instant black screen. wouldn't feel as lazy as it does now

[pliant briar]

pretty clear that it's not so clear to some people, as they ask about what to do when being stabbed all the time

[gaunt holly]

Brother, why are you this excited about death animations?

You mess up, you die. Restart the mission lol

[pliant briar]

because i would expect it from a

[gaunt holly]

You die when you get stabbed... What do you mean? Lol

[modest fern]

I remember the days in games where you would just die when getting stabbed and not go through a whole animation of the guy punching you three times before your balls explode

[rigid bone]

The type of death animation is a choice, what's there is honestly fine

[pliant briar]

it's not even about the death itself, but what happens right before it

[inner linden]

Yeah I'd love to play as a girl

[pliant briar]

[inner linden]

Kitty!

[runic aspen]

beastars was actually a decent show despite what people say

[pliant briar]

right now nothing happens except for that stun effect

[runic aspen]

like no its not fantastic but it isnt trash

[gaunt holly]

This makes no sense. What happens before you die from getting shot? You get fucking shot lol

[inner linden]

[pliant briar]

and there isn't any animation for that either and that's fine. feedback is pretty spot on, you just drop like a sack of potatoes

[inner linden]

Yeah I love it

[runic aspen]

i havent been following was there a new season coming or what

[pliant briar]

while feedback when getting stabbed is literally as far as the game is concerned, you running into an obstacle

which causes the gun to compress

[inner linden]

Yeah, Season 3 comes out in December 😄

[gaunt holly]

Who cares tbh. By the time you get stabbed, you already lost. Just restart

There is no counter to getting killed (while you're already being killed)

[runic aspen]

WOOOOOOOO

[inner linden]

[pliant briar]

i guess extra detail is bad and no behavior is the preferred solution, since you fail anyways

[gaunt holly]

Don't get me wrong. Animation would be nice, but it's not something to cry about

Literally no impact to the game

[pliant briar]

cool, finally an agreement

[inner linden]

They've announced in their next update they're going to make the game extremely realistic and accurate to real life police work.

After every level you play you have to spend 3 hours writing down a report and filling in the paperwork.

You also have to clock out for your shift and go pick up groceries from the store while a random guy in the shop asks if you've ever shot your gun before or what the craziest thing is you've seen

[gaunt holly]

👍

[pliant briar]

why even bother with such an unfunny joke that makes no sense?

[runic aspen]

hey its not that bad of a joke lol

[inner linden]

Just trying to make people laugh. Sorry I guess.

[runic aspen]

makes sense to me

[runic aspen]

its okay not everbodys on the same page and match each others funny
nothing to apologise for

[inner linden]

Sweet sweet ty

[pliant briar]

it wasn't supposed to sound mean, so sorry for that

it's just that it's brought up so often when people criticize the game for not being realistic, like being realistic has to include all the kitchen sink of police work

no, it does not. just like you don't shit into a bucket in euro truck simulator 2

[inner linden]

Loool

Or how in most military shooters you don't pull out a Cat B Kit out of an injured comrade

[pliant briar]

should be pretty obvious that the game is about swat doing raids, not the rest

but i guess commander mode is a thing, but ehh, its not real as far as im concerned

[inner linden]

What isn't

[jade mantle]

hi i'm doomps

[compact dirge]

what do you guys say is a good AR for ironman mode

[gaunt holly]

Sr16 is the only rifle you'll need to use

[rigid bone]

You mean SA58

[crude lake]

No. No he/she does not.

Cause we all know the truth.

And the truth is.. you just need..

The glorious MP5.

https://tenor.com/view/marco-meta-runner-marco-meta-runner-dont-pretend-like-im-not-right-im-right-gif-26463998

[rigid bone]

I think you're looking for 'they do*' :^)

[crude lake]

How dare you, sir.

[boreal ore]

We all love gender neutral Pronouns, people should use them more.

[runic aspen]

very useful in professional environments too

[uneven basin]

Arn-18 sorry

[runic aspen]

lowk love how this game has "realism" but the guns are peashooters

[uneven basin]

K

[boreal ore]

Three taps is all it takes for me to send someone to the grave.

[runic aspen]

two things
1: guns in this game are less powerful than they are in real life right
2: its true the smgs in this game are significantly underpowered

[boreal ore]

To be fair, the sidearms should be buffed.

And the accuracy of sidearms...

[crude lake]

Yeah no

[rigid bone]

yote

[red jay]

smote

[boreal ore]

Booooo, boooo! Crypto Bros!

[lost eagle]

on channel going hrough campaign need some help

5

[runic aspen]

so anyways
you
got any statement to say on the state of the further development of the game?
Youre well aware the community is teeming with ideas on what to fix - how to expand

[rigid bone]

Correct. Makes miscommunication less likely and makes you sound more like you know what you're doing

[crude lake]

If your SMG didnt do the trick, you did this mistake:

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-infinity-war-thanos-gone-for-the-head-snap-gif-12260153

[lost eagle]

anyone wanna play?

[boreal ore]

Question, do you play Osu!mania by any chance?

[crude lake]

#🔎looking-for-players

[rigid bone]

No, I play Stepmania. I'm not a weeb

[runic aspen]

i aim for the head in all fps games
but technically speaking SWAT officers dont aim for the head ;)

[boreal ore]

Aw :<

[crude lake]

Do you watch Anime, Kam

[rigid bone]

Nope. :)

[crude lake]

Lie.

[boreal ore]

Operators usually aim for the center of mass or the lower body.

[rigid bone]

aminu and mango

[runic aspen]

^^ precisely

[crude lake]

You are the "Death Note" / "Code Geass" Type of anime enjoyer.

[rigid bone]

I

[boreal ore]

Also, I would like to have most of my suspects incapped than dead.

[rigid bone]

Don't like Death Note.

[crude lake]

Can i ban you?

[rigid bone]

My boss said the same thing

[crude lake]

[runic aspen]

also seems you dont like answering community questions ;)

[rigid bone]

No, I only have a singular braincell

[runic aspen]

on its last legs sadly

[boreal ore]

Must be because of the scripting.

[crude lake]

Community Question:

Will we at some point get female Officers?

[runic aspen]

lets see if they respond

[rigid bone]

Pursuant to you Sol, nothing that hasn't already been said

[boreal ore]

Yep, they mentioned that.

[rustic swallow]

Is there scope for a simple barricaded suspects SWAT 4 PvP mode? That entailing a dedicated server binary hosting a simple 8 operator vs 8 operator match on rotating maps? From there it is not too far to VIP mode etc. Ready or Not is a gorgeous game with excellent feel, it is crying out for it. Clan wars may live again. I searched for PvP news but from what I can ascertain the conception of PvP seems to be SWAT vs Suspects (in the single player sense of mechanics of a suspect) rather that operator vs operator as SWAT 4 had, that being reskinned SWAT operators as suspect models for PvP.

[lost eagle]

anyone tryna play

[crude lake]

#💬general-discussion message

[lost eagle]

i know

[rigid bone]

We won't be doing any version of SWAT 4s PvP or any 'R6 Siege but non lethal' swaps

[lost eagle]

i can still ask

[rigid bone]

Yes, but this isn't the place for it

You're gonna get buried in discussions

[lost eagle]

multiple people saw my text if youu not tryna play dont text back

[boreal ore]

Kaminsky, mind if I shoot you a friend request?

[crude lake]

Community Question #2:

Does Los Suenos have a in-lore sports team of any kind?

[boreal ore]

You seem cool.

[rigid bone]

We're also very wary on taking community suggestions, since more often than not even taking the top 4 requests that came from the Community Feedback form, all four are at odds with one another.

See:

https://media.wired.com/photos/593252a1edfced5820d0fa07/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/the-homer-inline4.jpg

If you give a product every feature that's highly requested, it won't be a game everyone likes, it'll be a game noone likes.

[rigid bone]

also I'm sorry, I usually only Friend co-workers and IRL friends

[boreal ore]

They have to streamline the game so that other people from different franchises or different kinds of games would also be able to enjoy. Otherwise the game will be so overwhelming that it wouldn't attract new players.

It would just scare them away.

[crude lake]

[rigid bone]

I mean

strictly speaking Cru

We do work-work together

[boreal ore]

Ah, I see that's understandable.

[rigid bone]

[rustic swallow]

Ok, this for any particular reason? Does the modding SDK provide scope for community implementation?

[crude lake]

That sounds awkward

[rigid bone]

More or less because we want both the PvP to make sense in the world AND be a flavor of PvP unique to Ready or Not itself.

As for as the SDK, no comment. I'm not smart enough to understand the documentation we have

[rigid bone]

[crude lake]

[boreal ore]

It's been since I've touched StepMania, thank you for reminding me of that game's existence Kam.

[rigid bone]

[crude lake]

Okay, Community Question #3 (that will be ignored):

Is there a high quality .png of the Los Suenos police badge somewhere to be found?

[rigid bone]

Now that I can get for you

[red jay]

extraction shooter

think of the skin sales

[crude lake]

[rustic swallow]

Fair enough, thanks for the info, is the documentation public?

[boreal ore]

For the future of the game, will there be separate teams rather than Judge's platoon? Like maybe FISA HRT Teams, or even other factions.

[rigid bone]

Not at the moment, still lots we need to sort away before that sees the light of day.

[rigid bone]

Defo' no factions, other LEO units aren't off the table but a lot is still in the air

[boreal ore]

Does that include separate voice lines for them?

[rigid bone]

I would assume so, ye

[boreal ore]

Awesome!

[crude lake]

🇩🇪 "Hände hoch! Auf den Boden!"

🇺🇸 "Huh.."

[plucky dirge]

shut up!!!

[stark scaffold]

Hello!

[crude lake]

[unreal shard]

Who wants to run RoN

At like 8?

[gaunt holly]

Looks like I missed the Q&A session

[rigid bone]

[rigid bone]

I mean, every time I'm in this chat is a valid Q&A, whatcha' got for me?

[gaunt holly]

Nothing. Just fomo lol

[crude lake]

He announced moustache section for character editor.
124 different types of moustaches for Judge and the boys.

[rigid bone]

Cru, you leaker

[crude lake]

At your service

[harsh edge]

how do you like your coffee

oh that's cool kam chan just ignore me

🥺

[silk briar]

sweet and light

[crude lake]

You gave him literally 10 seconds to respond xD

[harsh edge]

kam kind of tunes me out cause I'm a little 'tistic

I get it 😔

[boreal pelican]

lmfao

[harsh edge]

uh oh kam chan is typing

ope- nevermind

ayyy typing again

[rigid bone]

If it's warm, with a package of hot cocoa and light cream.
Cold, lots of ice, mocha syrup, and milk

always dark roast

[harsh edge]

A fellow mocha lover ayyyy

[boreal pelican]

tea better

[rigid bone]

sometimes medium if I'm using my press

[harsh edge]

it's okay to be wrong we still love you

[boreal pelican]

[harsh edge]

Tea coffee and beer are became popular for the same reason

Pleasant flavored water that didn't give you deadly diarrhea

stupid humans too stupid at the time to know it was because it was boiled in the making process

[boreal pelican]

yes

[harsh edge]

it's amazing how much our life span increased simply by boiling our water and washing our fuckin hands for real

I don't mind tea and tbh I'm more of an energy drink than coffeekind of guy 😔

Rockstar Recovery orange, 240mg of caffeine and tastes like Sunny D

[boreal pelican]

war thunder

[harsh edge]

no

[boreal pelican]

yes

[gaunt holly]

Pour over or bust

[rigid bone]

no

war thunder is the worst game on the planet

also me

[boreal pelican]

so real

[modest fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[rigid bone]

[rigid bone]

I saw that Sin

[sacred holly]

HOLY

😭

i only have 126 hours

[boreal ore]

How does one spend thousands of hours on a game?

[modest fern]

Torturing yourself

[rigid bone]

Carefully

[crude lake]

Jesus Christ guys....

[glass mulch]

My most played is dayz with 611hrs but thats mainly from Dayz RP 🤣

[boreal pelican]

how in the

119 GIGS?

[crude lake]

laughs in cod

[modest fern]

For some reason despite disabling it, it still shows the full size including the high quality model DLCs

[boreal pelican]

lmfao

[novel patio]

Warthunder can suck one

[boreal pelican]

ngl the new f117 is awful (in wt)

[boreal pelican]

john halo

[rigid bone]

My top 5

[boreal pelican]

nice

wait

how do you see that

[rigid bone]

https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561197975217265/?cc=us&all_games

[boreal pelican]

cheers

[crude lake]

And this dude with this picture says he ain't watching anime..............

[rigid bone]

[novel patio]

Yes

[boreal pelican]

hello

[novel patio]

Hola

[boreal pelican]

19.6 years.

[rigid bone]

Yup

Account older than like 1/4th of the people on here

[boreal pelican]

jesus

[crude lake]

Go to bed, Grandpa

[novel patio]

I’d be guessing 75%

Or even 85

[next hollow]

gaw dam unc

[rigid bone]

Naw, you'd be surpsied

I think our mean age based on reg date is like 22

[simple turret]

me when i was 14 lying about my age online

[sharp bramble]

is it a bad thing if i have almost the same amount of hours?

[novel patio]

On warthunder?

Extremely yes

[boreal ore]

The max hours I have in any game is 50 hours...

[sharp bramble]

nah, total hours

[waxen latch]

What is happening over there

[ripe scarab]

Probably just big lobby playing fig's AI mods.

[green tusk]

Nah it's a fun time

[sharp bramble]

200 ping sure is fun

[unreal shard]

Would yall run solo on sins of the father

[harsh edge]

2100 hours in Killing Floor

1400 in Warframe

[harsh edge]

"543 hours in Rainbow Six Siege*

Ew, brother ew, what's that? What's that, brother?

[waxen latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-brotha-eww-meme-eww-eww-gif-gif-1452572770363109714

[harsh edge]

Totally justified reaction imo

So I qualled at my part time department yesterday with 28 hours without sleep

I train handgun about once a month live fire, and do dry fire practice constantly, 241/250 down from 250/250 when I qualled at my full time a couple weeks ago

Rifle I train more or less when I can, that slipped HARD. At my full time at 100 yards down the irons I was shooting 238/250

Here at 50 with a dot sight I shot 223/250.

I never knew how bad my fundamentals would slip under exhaustion. At 50 yards I could barely focus on the target.

[waxen latch]

could be worse

could be tarkov

[harsh edge]

My part time department holds us to a really high standard with our rifles because A the qual isn't mandatory to work patrol and B their argument is if you need to grab your rifle there's a really high chance precision is gonna play a really big role, so that 223/250 actually wasn't passing.

[harsh edge]

shit you right

[uneven basin]

Tarkov is worse than siege?

[harsh edge]

yes

[lilac vale]

Just ask @plucky dirge

[rigid bone]

Tarkov is

The only reason it's thriving is because people keep making bad extract shooters, then all the new people flock from that to Tarkov when the bad one eventually dies

[median zinc]

What I dont understand watching a lot of body cam footage is why i dont see long guns brought out more, I see a lot of footage of cops entering active gun fights with their duty pistol, when their carbine (or shotgun) is mounted right next to them, and would allow them to much more effectively engage

[unreal shard]

It because of the legal shit u can get charged for. This guy ran from the cops using an abducted car and some cop popped him with the carbine and that mf died in less than a min. Prob hit a vital organ. He got investigated after that.

Pistol rounds are less fatal and unlikely to kill unless ur aim is scary good.

[modest fern]

I don't think that's necessarily the reason

Probably a combination of tunnel vision (you're more focused on neutralizing them than grabbing your main,) training to return fire first, and then maybe some considerations like if they're in a street fight making sure the officer doesn't tear into the next three houses

[unreal shard]

Me personally, aim for the kneecaps/thighs. they going down and not coming back up. Not enough to kill but to secure them without risking a lot

[median zinc]

good thing theres not any major arteries in the legs 😉

[median zinc]

the irony of this is through materials, 9mm is actually more likely to penetrate subsequent barriers because light bullets tumble. 556 will penetrate better through the first barrier but lose a lot of energy tumbling after it exits

[modest fern]

yeah shooting for the legs is a myth and is what could get you in trouble as a police officer

Lethal force is kinda all or nothing, you either shoot to kill or you don't

[median zinc]

if you have to shoot someone, you shoot with the goal of killing, though if a shot incapacitates them, you obviously dont need to continue

[unreal shard]

What the fuck😭

[median zinc]

shooting with the goal of incapacitating is actually legally more dubious

[unreal shard]

So if I’m gonna pull the trigger, I gotta make that shot count💀

[median zinc]

your argument of using lethal force because you were in fear for your life is substantially weakened if you chose to wound them

Granted, im using arguments from the perspective of somebody who carries a gun not as a cop, your concerns as a cop are a bit different

[modest fern]

Yeah it might be an extreme example from me, but that's my understanding of it.

[median zinc]

when i got my concealed carry license the undersherrif told me verbatim "if you have to shoot somebody, you shoot to kill, dead men don't sue""

[unreal shard]

I’ll have ptsd forever if I had to do that

[median zinc]

thats very common yeah

the ptsd not having to shoot someone

[unreal shard]

I aim to wound. Or at least to disarm them.

But if it comes down to it then I’m wasting my whole mag

[median zinc]

You shoot them in the legs or groin, either your shot or the bones breaking pierce an artery, they bleed out anyhow, but can still be a danger to you

Don't get me wrong, do anything you can to deescalate, but at the time youre forced to fight, you fight like your life depends on it, because it does

[unreal shard]

So even like for the drug crackheads. If they are like on like meth or some dangerous drug shit, ur saying them taking pistol rounds to the lower half of their body won’t have much effect?

[median zinc]

If they live they can sue you and ruin your life or get you in prison, And if they have a gun, a shot that makes them unable to walk doesnt make them unable to shoot

not to mention, hitting shots that arent the torso under stress is much much harder, and youre accountable for where any missed shots are going

[unreal shard]

Sheesh

But if they die? Won’t their family sue?

[median zinc]

It's a far easier case to defend, but often yes

[unreal shard]

What a sad world we live in. Most people get justified right. I mean everyone would kill as self defense if some crazy drug addict was armed and charging at them

[median zinc]

The justification tp using lethal force is "I feared for my life"
if you shoot INTENDING to wound they can contend that if you were in fear for your life, you'd have been shooting to kill, and therefore you must not have been in sufficient fear for your life to justify shooting at all

to be clear, when i say shoot to kill, i dont mean you HAVE to make sure somebody is dead once theyre incapactated

[unreal shard]

Gotcha. But what do u mean when I am responsible for the missed shots? What if it’s intentional? A warning shot to demand compliance?

[median zinc]

Warning shots arent legally reccomended, and i mean that if those missed shots miss the target and go through a wall and hurt or kill someone, you're going to be facing a hell of a lawsuit and a charge of atleast involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangermemt

the reality is, in a defensive shooting, you can't necessarily know whats beyond your target except for the immediate area

[hardy canopy]

A friend of mine got into an incident earlier this year when a man attached them during road rage. Fired one shot aiming center mass in panic which ended up killing the guy. No charges after investigation.

The sad part is that no one walks out as a winner. The man was a father to several kids and my friend got ptsd. It's all fucked

[uneven basin]

That's heartbreaking

[hardy canopy]

Over nothing too

[uneven basin]

Yeah..

[hardy canopy]

What led to the anger was a driving mistake which the man thought my friend did

But in reality it was that guy himself who made a little mistake

[uneven basin]

"Guns don't kill people, an inability to emotionally self-regulate kills people"

[hardy canopy]

Feeling entitled makes people act stupid like that

Which social media, news, politicians and whatever the fuck constantly feed you. Everybody wants to feel important

[uneven basin]

This is why i like Thanksgiving 😅 it's nice to have a day dedicated to pumping the brakes

[harsh edge]

wrong

[hardy canopy]

True

[harsh edge]

Because our immediate thought, overriding logic, is "get to the fight and stop the killing"

I jumped out on a possible barricaded and my adrenaline was so hard I couldn't find the little release button to pop my long gun mount and grab my rifle so after about 5 seconds of looking for it I finally said fuck it and just drew my handgun and ran to the other officers

[hardy canopy]

That shit should be trained then

[harsh edge]

lol, lmao even

you don't train adrenaline reaction out

You train around it.

That's why they don't train you to hit your slide stop, you'll never override the adrenaline dump stopping you from hitting it.

[uneven basin]

Wonder if the mounts could use a redesign?

[harsh edge]

^^^^^^^^^

The button to hit them should be mounted on your switch board for your lights/siren so it's big and shiney and hard to miss

[hardy canopy]

Under stress people will usually result in what they know and are familiar with

[harsh edge]

On some of them, like at my part time department, it's a little circular button same color as the dash

[harsh edge]

Yes, and fine motor skills will fail, which you can't overcome.

I've seen OIS bwc where dudes are struggling to hit their mag release to do a mag swap.

[uneven basin]

That's intense

[harsh edge]

They train you to minimize fine motor skills as it comes to your guns specifically because overcoming their failure isn't realistically possible. The mag drop for handguns is the only fine motor skill you can't train around obviously, and I've seen it fail a lot.

[harsh edge]

You don't fire a shot unless you're stopping a deadly threat to yourself or another. That gun doesn't leave it's holster unless that threat exists or can/will imminently exist. You're responsible for every bullet that leaves that gun, hit or miss, it's on you where that bullet goes, and that goes for civilians and cops, it's a liability you accept when you choose to carry a gun and be willing to use it.

[hardy canopy]

I am someone who does believe it's possible to train yourself to better regulate stress and cope with stressful situations

[harsh edge]

And you're objectively wrong. There's somethings you can train and we do train to overcome, there's some things that are physiologically impossible to overcome and need to be trained around.

I'll go with the opinions of officers, warfighters and professionals on the matter, which is that ^

[hardy canopy]

A common technique for soldiers is to talk to each other, even about things not really that relevant. But importantly it's to cope with stress. I use it myself too

[harsh edge]

🤔 how'd we go from physiological stress related to adrenaline dumps to mentail strain

[uneven basin]

The magic of false equivalency

[hardy canopy]

It's somewhat related

[harsh edge]

I've dealt with some of the worst things an officer can have to see/deal with and I can tell you virtually 100% of my stress related to those incidents comes from dealing with the civilians in my personal life, unfortunately. I've been very lucky to be surrounded by extremely supportive friends/family but regardless, it's leaving work and coming home where it gets hard.

[uneven basin]

How do you feel about Ready or Not?

Intentionally broad question

[harsh edge]

It's a work of well tailored fiction that does a fine job of paying respect to its source material. It's a love letter to classic Rainbow Six and SWAT and plays well. It's realistic enough to tell it was made with attention to detail but not realistic enough to get in the way of fun.

[uneven basin]

Aight cool

[harsh edge]

Before my best friend passed this was our chill game. Gave us a familiar environment without the stress of politics internal affairs or danger.

[uneven basin]

That's a lot closer to what I was wondering, thanks. I'm sorry about your friend.

[rare condor]

can anyone help me manually download a mod for ready or not, none of mine are working

if u could do it in a voice channel to that would help

[pliant briar]

i'm sorry, but isn't every officer involved shooting investigated?

[pliant briar]

i assume you are talking about the us, but in my world you can go to prison if the judge feels like you didn't have to use a tool to defend yourself and that it was too much, even if the attacker was 3x your size and you were using a fork

[harsh edge]

Yes, every OIS is investigated

[harsh edge]

Yes, the US has much looser self defense laws than the rest of the world. The US as a general rule believes self defense is a right, particularly as it comes to defending yourself in your home.

The way self defense works in the US, as it is an affirmative defense, is quite interesting.

Basically, probable cause needs to exist you committed a criminal homicide, that is, that a crime occurred and that you probably committed it, we'll say that 51% sure.

So you get arrested, and raise the affirmative defense of self defense, now the burden of proof shifts from the state to prove you committed a criminal homicide beyond a rasonable doubt-

To you proving that you committed a justifiable homicide beyond a preponderance of the evidence

And a preponderance of the evidence is agreed by the courts to be 51%, or 7/12 jurors.

And the US differs from many other countries in that we allow deadly force to be used by civilians to protect an unrelated 3rd party as long as that person would've been justified to use deadly force to protect themselves.

Taking a human life is an awful, ugly, terrible thing, that should truly be avoided wherever possible wherever possible.

But if someone is committing a deadly assault, anything short of responding with equal lethality is a half measure.

[inner linden]

Is there as way to change your character in single player

[glass mulch]

no not in single player

[cobalt tinsel]

Alr

[boreal pelican]

cheese

[cobalt tinsel]

Sometimes a dream about cheese

[boreal pelican]

yes

[cobalt tinsel]

Yea

[solid pecan]

any1 down to play im new to the game just completed lethal obsession if u down hmu

[deep merlin]

Hi all! I'm going to make a video about the game, and I would really like to know how to film cool flights through locations? Is there some kind of mod, or is this a game functionality? I'm sure some of you know, and I would be incredibly grateful for your help)))

[fallen sail]

You can probably do it through the replay mode, but that's incredibly broken right now, so you might be better sticking to a freecam mod

[deep merlin]

Where can I find a replay mod?

[knotty basin]

damn i just lost perms for giveaway lmao

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[fallen sail]

You have to enable it in the settings, the game will then record your playsessions however be aware that the filesize can be MASSIVE

[ripe scarab]

Also be aware it's pretty broken atm.

[deep merlin]

and where exactly can I find this mode in the settings?

oh, found it. Thanks a lot

[torn aspen]

hey

anyone wanna play ?

[solid pecan]

im down just have to install new mic and headset

[torn aspen]

OKay no problem!

[solid pecan]

imma add u if dats okay?

[torn aspen]

yeah ofc dw

[noble raptor]

All my mods arent working, anyone knows what to do?

[regal summit]

#❓modding-faq

[crude leaf]

either replay mode or use the console unlocker mod which lets you use freecam in single player
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/716

[boreal pelican]

@cobalt tinsel please dont dm me

i dont accept dms

[opaque tapir]

Is the game available in Xbox Gamepass on PC

[unreal shard]

Rather than using firearms. Why don’t we make like some dart gun that instantly can knock the suspect out? Fire against fire isnt the best idea irl situations

[crude leaf]

nop

[prisma jetty]

autumn sale starts in 15 minutes guys

[broken surge]

why is there no discount on RoN?

I want to give the game to my friend

[rigid bone]

There is, it's 33% off

[broken surge]

oh, sorry, I needed to refresh the page

[rigid bone]

[gaunt holly]

Deal or no deal?

[broken surge]

already

[waxen latch]

Rule #8

[next hollow]

we have a giveaway for you

[opaque tapir]

a giveaway?

[next hollow]

in #1307019262480748564

[boreal pelican]

💀

[tired solar]

should i wait for the winter sale

[boreal pelican]

its already on sale i think

[tired solar]

yeah but it might be on sale for more for the winter sale

[gaunt holly]

How much more on sale can it be? Realistically you'll save like $2-3 with a bigger sale

[boreal pelican]

fairs, it is the cheapest ive ever seen (30 for everything)

well £31.97 but ye

[tired solar]

good point

[boreal pelican]

but yeah, i recommend to get it on sale.

i would never buy anything full price xD.

[pliant briar]

ron at full price feels like non-discounted prices of products that are always on a sale

[green tusk]

Do not ask for free stuff again. You can post in #1307019262480748564 in 12 hours when you follow the rules for the giveaway and the server

[harsh edge]

I'm not entertaining this idea.

[unreal shard]

Well I’m just saying fighting fire with fire isn’t really great

Effective but comes at great costs

[harsh edge]

I'm saying you're wrong and the idea you presented is so wrong I'm not killing my brain cells to argue against it. Carry on 🫡

[unreal shard]

Have u ever been wounded by a shot?

[harsh edge]

No but I've been in a position two different times in 3 years as a cop where I decided definitively that if a person's action didn't stop they were going to get shot, and you can stick it where the sun don't shine the very concept that I shouldn't have been armed in both of those situations. If you've got a hare you can do it better feel free to go to the academy and come take my job.

[unreal shard]

Ur a cop?

[prime loom]

why worry about a criminal's life if the worry should be about his innocent victims' lives?

if anyone goes out of his way to cause harm by firearms to ppl who just want to live in peace, brother... he HAS to go down with violence

the order of priority is: #1 - innocents and officers
#2 the suspects.
It's great if everyone gets out alive, but never at the cost of an innocent or an officer

btw, the game treats collateral killings of civvies too lightly in the score.

[gaunt holly]

Because the assailant has already set in his mind that he is going to kill someone. A dart isn't going to guarantee that he will be stopped. Hell, bullets are not even reliable sometimes unless you hit the brain, heart or spine.

If your dart fails, that means an innocent person dies

That's not a risk worth taking

[unreal shard]

But u gotta live with that the rest of life😭

[gaunt holly]

Would you rather be dead? Lol

Or see a loved one get killed instead?

[tight ibex]

guys is the game worth buying can i get a lot of hours in it without getting bored ?

[modest fern]

That depends on you, there are 18* base levels you can replay and you can mod the game ontop of that.

[tired solar]

you can also join units