👮ron-discussion

[bright belfry]

Aren’t their cop cars outside data

[wintry sequoia]

yes

[chilly thorn]

No only the car you arrived in

[wintry sequoia]

ima check that rn

[chilly thorn]

I think lochux is thinking about dealership not datacenter

since there was no assualt on the datacenter the suspects shout how they didn't know you were cops

[wintry sequoia]

sinuous trail is the mission

[native rune]

Well in real life the best solution is often to ensure you are never in direct harms way when seeking compliance. Ergo waiting outside with the armored vehicle etc. In RoN this isn’t really a possibility, but you are expected to exhaust your less lethal options whenever safe and possible to do so, like having lethal cover while you use less lethal.

On paper, as soon as a suspect attempts to engage you with a deadly weapon, it is no longer safe to respond with less lethal tools, and lethal force can be used on them without the point penalty.

[lilac mural]

Looks like we are getting closer to at least temporary fix for the audio issue with PS5

[native rune]

PC gang

[sudden thorn]

Finally

[wintry sequoia]

briefing says that they were recently robbers by people dressing up as cops
briefing says
"Because of the prior robbery where the suspects were disguised as police, we're going to have marked units visible and we're going to start loud hailing as soon as we're in position, if they don't surrender, I'd take that as a sign they might know something about what's on that hardware they're guarding."

[chilly thorn]

The problem with ready or nots ROE is that you can shoot them even when they haven't engaged you

[bright belfry]

I mean again if the door to my work gets blown off and a bunch of swat looking dudes roll in and yell hey we’re the cops I’m giving up

[chilly thorn]

why doesn't that happen on that map tho....

[bright belfry]

Those guards are getting paid max like 50 an hour

[chilly thorn]

I feel bad for those guys they must confused on what the hells happening

[native rune]

“I had no idea you guys were cops”
—Marked vehicles and Bearcat hailing outside for hours

[wintry sequoia]

i mean i imagine that there are cops outside other than your 5 so they can surrender to them, since they arent doing that they are armed and basically barricaded, like i get not going for headshots as a measure but not shooting armed and non complaint suspect through the walls i do not

[wintry sequoia]

prob because the devs didnt want to record extra voice lines and make cops models and stuff, it would be cool to not be the only living beings beside the suspects on the map

[native rune]

Cus ya know that’s what robbers do, pull up in a bearcat and tell you to come outside

[sudden thorn]

Do you think the guards in sinuous trail actually know about what’s going on or do you think they’re just in the wrong place at the wrong time

[chilly thorn]

Apparently thats actually what they did

Stuff like that has actually happened before with human trafficking rings disguised as police

[wintry sequoia]

i would imagine they didnt knew at first but after considerable amount of hailing they are fully aware

[chilly thorn]

or actual police themselves just abusing power

[wintry sequoia]

or, hear me out, call the police and ask them if its them outside

instead of shooting at swat team

[native rune]

What annoys and perplexes me the most is that all of these “they hired security” maps have wayyy more security guards than actual people on sight, which to me makes absolutely no sense that’s like going to a movie theater and there’s 5 people and 20 guards.

[chilly thorn]

One of the arrested suspects says "I'll tell the other guys who you are." I wish judge would actually let them do that

[chilly thorn]

Its like 4 am in the morning it would be mostly security at the time irl

[sudden thorn]

To be fair they’re scared for their lives, in the fake police operation, one guard was kidnapped and murdered after a ransom was not upheld, I don’t blame them for being paranoid and id say they’re the suspects i feel the most bad for

[sudden thorn]

True

[wintry sequoia]

i think its more of a crime business than anything, with criminal data etc i cant imagine any criminal paying to secure his data (why would they do that in the first place tho) to any non guarded facility

[native rune]

Like is it not ridiculously expensive to have 20 fully kitted and trained security guards on shift

[wintry sequoia]

yea but i imagine they were being hailed for at least an hour, plenty of time to at least call the cops

[wintry sequoia]

true but no small criminals would pay to keep his data safe so its only like the cartel rich ones

[sudden thorn]

true but they possibly could not be thinking straight as they’re scared out of their minds but I assume that after at least an hour they’d get the idea to do that

[chilly thorn]

I think the map just doesn't reflect the breifing as the breifing was written after the map was finished and their may have been a miscommunication

[wintry sequoia]

yea and like noone can play pretend a large scale operation for more than few minutes

[native rune]

Exactly the way I see it the “we didn’t know you were cops” excuse doesn’t really hold up. They could have called “the real cops” on 911 at any point

[wintry sequoia]

yea, the briefing always add a lot of details that arent on the map

[chilly thorn]

as the suspects talk like they didn't even know if you were coming having casual convos before arrive not even talking about police presence

[sudden thorn]

True

[sudden thorn]

Yeah I find that a bit weird

[chilly thorn]

I think it was just a writing error

[sudden thorn]

I hope they remove the negotiations failed line from most maps it makes no sense

[wintry sequoia]

why else would they send swat

[native rune]

The game really does treat all the maps like you just rolled up in two seconds, which seems to betray the lines about negotiations and the briefings in some

[chilly thorn]

Negotians failed on methhouse really makes no sense

[sudden thorn]

why not

[wintry sequoia]

swat arent usually the first responders

[sudden thorn]

If they’re overblowing the budget on them may as well using them

[chilly thorn]

for a lot of the operations in game they would not send normal police

[sudden thorn]

Pretty much most

[bright belfry]

Normal police are present on some missions

[wintry sequoia]

they wouldnt but most of the missions are mass shootings etc so we werent there yet so they had time to negotiate

[sudden thorn]

Not actually going in though and engaging the suspects

[chilly thorn]

They should be on more but I think a lot of the maps are trying to feel really unnervingly empty for artistic reasons

[wintry sequoia]

some missions like the one where you raid the house of a family that modifies weapons it makes no sense that negotiations failed, but then the entire mission doesnt make sense at all

[chilly thorn]

and it works before you enter a map it always feels creepy especially stuff like dealership

[wintry sequoia]

they should be on pretty much all, theres no perimeter at all

[chilly thorn]

yeah but it does ruin a lot of the horror factor of the game

bunch of sirens and yelling would ruin the nightmare like atmosphere of a map like elephant for example

[wintry sequoia]

it does but they literally made bots useless for the sake of realism when they made the grenade not pass through first wall so they have to choose what they want to achieve

[chilly thorn]

I do really like this games empty atmosphere even if its really weird when you notice it

[wintry sequoia]

like the mission where you arrest the family that modifies guns, they can literally just run at any direction the second youre not looking and you wont find them

[chilly thorn]

like how is their nobody outside of pier??? it does give you that sense of being completely alone

[wintry sequoia]

they nailed the horror atmosphere in a whats trying to be a realistic cop sim

[chilly thorn]

this game is not trying to be realistic or a cop sim at all

neither was swat 4 its more just grounded

wuh

[wintry sequoia]

then what is it trying to be

[chilly thorn]

No its meant to be a sequal to swat 4

nobody would want to play an actual swat simulator it would be boring af

[wintry sequoia]

fair enough but even swat 4 had actuall police part in it

[sudden thorn]

why do people keep shooting the civilians with bombs on them in neon tomb I keep hearing civilians say voicelines telling other people to get back as they’ve got a bomb on them and i see a civilian killed point tally two seconds later

[wintry sequoia]

in this game you might as well be the criminals raiding it if it werent for the mission lore

[wintry sequoia]

werent most of them running towards you or something?

[sudden thorn]

No

[wintry sequoia]

theres no point in shooting then ig

[sage plaza]

There is an interest to play without the night vision ?

[chilly thorn]

looks cool

[unreal ruin]

someone said something but got moderated

in screenshots

[hybrid shadow]

It was me answering a question about which long tactical to use cuz I forgot you can’t type

[unreal ruin]

oh ok

what did you say

[hybrid shadow]

I said flash launcher

It’s my go to unless I need another one for a specific reason

[unreal ruin]

no m320 tihngs i mean like mirror gun or shield or battering ram or shotgun

[hybrid shadow]

Mirror gun and let your squad have the rest and command them to use it

[unreal ruin]

okay nvm

[hybrid shadow]

Hope I helped some

[glass heart]

best for them to have shield or m320 stinger honestly

[unreal ruin]

i got shield which is convinent

[hybrid shadow]

Depends on the mission or situation

[glass heart]

theyre kind of the best options no matter the mission

shield helps them not die as fast and m320 helps them somewhat competently get stun in a room

since they suck ass at using thrown grenades

[hybrid shadow]

I just use what feels right I got all the scores I needed so I use random loadouts for fun

Sometimes bad loadouts on purpose

[unreal ruin]

SHIT

I WAS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE SOMEONE WITH A GUN AND FIRE A WARNING SHOT BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT BUDGE BUT SINCE I HAD A SHIELD AND COULDNT ACCURATELY AIM, I SHOT THEM IN THE HEAD AND THEY DIED INSTANTLY,
atleast im not charged for unauthorized force since he was resisting

shield OP

[dim leaf]

it never fails to surprise me watching a guy drop his M249 in ides of march

[unreal ruin]

my greed consumed me

i was being too cocky and only used the shield and died because i was stopping bleeding

[hybrid shadow]

How could you

You have broken the rules of engagement

Wait bro I read that completely wrong

I thought the suspect bled out

[unreal ruin]

oh lol

[hybrid shadow]

😭

[hybrid shadow]

It happens tho especially when you’re mid gun fight and if you heal the suspect kills you but if you don’t you bleed out

It’s a lose lose sometimes

[unreal ruin]

dudee it happened again in the office ontop the stupid processing area

i hate this level greased palms

so hard

[hybrid shadow]

You got it bro I felt the same way

[unreal ruin]

and i had a shield too, i got killed by someone with a auto gun infront of my shield SOMEHOW

[hybrid shadow]

Either hit you below the shield or with high caliber AP rounds

Crouch to avoid leg shots and just pray about the higher caliber rounds

[unreal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-steamsad-depression-gif-16712269959651793493

[lone musk]

Eughhh time to try and S rank A Lethal Obsession.... wonder how bad it will go

[hybrid shadow]

Good luck

[unreal ruin]

thank you man

[hybrid shadow]

It wasn’t bad with the flash launcher

[unreal ruin]

does it count if you do co op with someone else

[hybrid shadow]

Add me and keep me updated Im interested to see if you get it

[unreal ruin]

ok

[lone musk]

Tried yesterday twice and yeah didn't go so well for me

[hybrid shadow]

I think I just got lucky

[lone musk]

Good on you if yah did

[hybrid shadow]

Nah it’s not skill it’s just a lucky run

[hybrid shadow]

Just keep trying you got it big dawg

[unreal ruin]

SHIT SHIT SHIT I ACCIDENTALLY KILLED ONE OF MY OFFICERS

[hybrid shadow]

It happens

[lone musk]

Thanks for the words of encouragement yesterday forgot how may suspects there usually were stupid me thought there was just that crazy USIA guy or whatever how wrong I was...

[hybrid shadow]

I’m down to vc while you do it. It helped me not get discouraged

[lone musk]

Eh I'm good

[hybrid shadow]

That’s fine

[lone musk]

Can't wait to see how many of my officers die in my next few attempts... who am I kidding I'll be the dead officer in the majority of my next attempts hehe.

[unreal ruin]

i quit dude

atleast for today because some dipshit ai shot me from behind

[thick scarab]

Can anyone give me a clip to use for something

or two

[quaint zealot]

for anyone who's done iron man mode, can you offer some advice. like a generic loadout that would work alright for every mission

[thick scarab]

Shotgun and taser

And then assign half ur squad with non lethal

[radiant pike]

i had my entire squad on nonlethal except for port

[quaint zealot]

buckshot or slugs

[thick scarab]

Buckshot

[jolly verge]

2 Negotiators 1 Armorer 1 Nutritionist
Everyone with heavy vest with full coverage steel plates + ballistic mask
ARN-180 .300blk with JHP ammo, swap to AP on Elephant and Sins of the Father

[unreal ruin]

whats ironmode man do

[thick scarab]

If u die it deletes the whole save

[radiant pike]

beanbag shotgun 5 mags, lethal pistol (no ammo) for everyone
2 bots wedges, 2 bots breach shotties
bots all get Ballistic Mask and Heavy Steel armor full coverage

[unreal ruin]

thats actually so dumb ngl

[quaint zealot]

yeah i only have like 50 hours

[thick scarab]

Not really, it provides a challenge

[radiant pike]

it's meant to be a challenge

[thick scarab]

It also means you shoiuld be carefula round every corner

[quaint zealot]

whats that meth house mission?

[radiant pike]

twisted nerve?

[thick scarab]

Twistedf nerve

[quaint zealot]

i fucjing hate that mission so much

[radiant pike]

also btw, going nonlethal for your iron man run should net you a lot of S-ranks

I got all but 4-5 missions S-ranked during it

[quaint zealot]

can i not s rank valley

i have but it sucked to do

[radiant pike]

I did s-rank valley, but no. For Ironman, you only need to finish all main objectives

[quaint zealot]

u dont have to do softs?

[radiant pike]

on each mission. make sure you manage stress tho

no, but like i said, i did a lot of sranks so you could do softs

[quaint zealot]

i have s ranks on a lot already

[radiant pike]

the only times my team was less than content was Elephant which is unavoidable and Port which I went full lethal dropping as many as possible (but no one resigned)

[quaint zealot]

which ones elephant

[radiant pike]

the university bombs one

[quaint zealot]

oh

so i should give them all beanbags right

[thick scarab]

Hye any of u got clips I can use

[radiant pike]

probably better in the long run, since you minimize the chances of bots' crossfire firing off into any civ or named target

[quaint zealot]

so do i have to do it all at once or can i leave and go eat and get back to it

[radiant pike]

it's not in a single run.

you can perfectly fine close the game, do stuff then open it again, go into Commander and load your Ironman up again

[quaint zealot]

and it has to be on standard or higher to get the watch right

[jolly verge]

The watch can be unlocked on Casual but both achievements require at least Standart

[radiant pike]

Yeah, Hermit and World require Standard or Hard

altho I would assume you're into kink if you want to do Ironman on Hard

[quaint zealot]

i just want the qatch

idgaf about the achievement

[marble flume]

hmm

[solemn patio]

What pistol could i do for an mlo loadout

[bright belfry]

Mkv is what I’ve heard is good

[solemn patio]

No like what pistol would an mlo guy carry i should specify im cosplaying mlo

[lone musk]

Finally got a good start to A Lethal Obsession got 2 one if being Gereard Scott and no officers down. Hope the rest of the mission can go as well.

Alright nice got a good clean S on A Lethal Obsession, only took me 3 tries nice.

Gonna check the new stuff I can wear

And now time to try and S rank Ides of March

[umbral furnace]

is it just me or is a new america just badly designed lol

if you're trying to S rank it the top floor is pure RNG for where enemies spawn and how many there are, you don't get time to restrain them before the others stand up again. one attempt you go up there and it's practically empty, next attempt you have to try to restrain 15 suspects before any of them stand up and kill you while you're stuck in the animation. also been having issues with the friendly AI getting stuck on doors constantly or misreporting suspects with the optiwand. not seeing guys standing right in front of the door but then reporting somebody behind a wall in a different room, it's so inconsistent

[fallen osprey]

2k11 and 1911

[wanton bloom]

Me when I fail to disable the detonator on ANA in time

[balmy patio]

90% of this can be solved by arrest cancelling

the rest is true to, the top can be summed up to good spawns and they are closer to the office, the best spawn which is both suspects being on each metal door floor while theres two others on each bathroom meaning that the entire thing is easy

or you get 2 of each suspect at the corner of each metal door so you have fo flash spam into cover to get the ammo crate

[umbral furnace]

that staircase in itself is just a bad idea with no alternative routes

it turns into such a mess when suspects spawned in any of the other rooms and all rush out from multiple directions at once

[balmy patio]

you can preflash both pillars and then go a little down to hear any grunts or moaning, if not you can free lean office

[umbral furnace]

it's fine in multiplayer but you can't coordinate AI to cover those angles properly

[balmy patio]

this highly depends on strat to, if you spawn on using flash nade launcher utility for even more free flashbangs or use the shield to take even less risks at peaking bad angles

[umbral furnace]

idk it's just unfun to me still, the rest of the map is fine if you ignore ai getting stuck on doors everywhere

some unexpected behaviour is a good thing but up there is just too much

[lethal walrus]

Def do something reliable with a large mag, 2011 or Glock non auto

[solemn patio]

Glock 18c and just semi?

[solemn patio]

Maybe the 509, considering its a 17 rounder?

Or the five seven because 20 rounder

[lethal walrus]

Either of those 2, since you don’t have to unlock afair

It’s just shoot. Also b1301 with buckshot or 6.5 creedmore is excellent for a main weapon

[covert hamlet]

The Glock 18 has the largest mag count out of all the glocks

[unreal ruin]

redy or bnoto

yh s,. anbfg x 7y

[runic basin]

can one of you folks give me the mlo logo / patch thingy

the mariposa lily one

[cedar mulch]

Mindjot is one of Spider’s assets. Just as the Glukhovskoye Mafia and Los Locos are his henchmen

[woeful dove]

@sour plank how the fuck areu alive

[cedar mulch]

Because they are active shooters

[opaque zealot]

I can't wait for the next ps5 update for the game

[sour plank]

Helmet and gear

[woeful dove]

what armor

steel i assume? possible spalling

[sour plank]

O are you talking about me getting hit by a truck or be playing with my handicaps

[woeful dove]

ist this guy says some shit like "kevlar, front only"

[sour plank]

O in game i have no body armor or head gear and the rest of that duckery i was given

The answer is a heavy amount of music at max

[woeful dove]

FUUUUUUCK

[lost inlet]

[woeful dove]

my ready or not crashed when I flashed myself lmfao

[fallow kraken]

Fah

[woeful dove]

look in ss

[unreal ruin]

guys

we can all agree that stab vest is the best armor ingame

[arctic crown]

How long is the typical wait for a patch?

[narrow geode]

At least two days

[runic basin]

like as a png

[cedar mulch]

Do you think the Glukhovskoye Mafia can beat Los Locos?

[lost inlet]

Car shop suspect vs post office suspect?

[cedar mulch]

No, the car dealership is run jointly by the Cartel and the Mafia. It is the port that is entirely under the Mafia’s control.

[vivid widget]

i'm still trying to decide between b1301 or m1014, trying them out and both are solid as hell

[jolly verge]

B1301 have 30% less recoil, 9 shells vs 8 but reload a bit slower.

[vivid widget]

9 shells but the mags don't give it more ammo which is weird

[jolly verge]

Yeah 1 ammo slot for shotguns = 8 shells, except mag fed one

[vivid widget]

weird how it doesn’t function like every other class of gun

would honestly be a no brainer choice for b1301 if it weren’t for that

[cedar mulch]

Which is the most powerful: the 590M or the semi-automatic shotgun?

[vivid widget]

they’re all 12 gauge so in terms of actual damage and stopping power the same

[jolly verge]

Semi for sure

Because you can spam it

[vivid widget]

true

[cedar mulch]

It seems none of them can hold a candle to the Saiga 12 the suspect at the port is carrying.

[rich reef]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message What do yall think about my loadout?

Holy shit the side profile is insane

[lost inlet]

So port suspect vs post office suspect.

Probably port because they have more in their numbers.

[lost inlet]

Not ready.

[rich reef]

How about possibly ready?

[lost inlet]

[rich reef]

You never know what officer Dominguez could pull out at any moment

I learned that the hard way

[lost inlet]

You can’t see it but his eyes are full tears, silently begging you to give him armor and better guns.

[rich reef]

Trust me when I say this. Officer Dominguez must not receive proper guns and equipment.

He is his own guns and equipment.

[vagrant marsh]

Looks like mom said it's your turn to take lead 😭

[rich reef]

Officer Dominguez takes lead whether mom says so or not.

Lowkey I'm scared of him

[unreal ruin]

why is greased palms so hgard

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[rich reef]

Probably bc of how big areas are and how much cover there is for suspects

It's difficult to fire back at them since they can be shooting you from 5 different spots at every moment

[unreal ruin]

ok thx

[vagrant marsh]

They're also all just crackheads

[vivid widget]

is there such a thing as the "best" fov/visual settings? or does it really come down to personal preference?

[balmy patio]

probably some bs to do with the entryman variant of it

[vivid widget]

do tell

[balmy patio]

kinda but yknow that high fov will be the deal

[vivid widget]

right
been using 120 but i'm trying to see other stuff

what would you recommend

[balmy patio]

i wouldnt really recommend anything aside of FOV

my settings are merely so i can run the game good 💀

[vivid widget]

lol fair 💀

i'm honestly more curious about weapon fov for the most part, world fov makes sense at 110-120 for best area coverage

whether or not it's better to have the gun closer or further away from your fov is a different story, one i'm very indecisive about

[balmy patio]

close

i dont use sights for the most part or at most 1x

[vivid widget]

hmm

[balmy patio]

it just helps me tap better

if you like full auto go far, but i mainly keep it centered at neck level

[vivid widget]

so maybe 90-95

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

here's what 95 weapon fov looks like for me
also disabled ads zoom

[balmy patio]

i lowkey forgot you could disable ads zoom, does that work for sniper scopes too?

could use it just to larp using a scope on the m14

[vivid widget]

let me test
which sniper scope should i use to test?

[balmy patio]

just the m14 big scopes

lowkey forgot the name of it, the one that has that red dot at the top

[fallen osprey]

1-12x

[vivid widget]

have to wait for slowmode in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art lol

but yeah i think it works for sniper scopes too

[balmy patio]

oh yeah that looks damn awful LOL 🤣 🤣

ight im using that then

[vivid widget]

lmao

looks fine on ars and shotguns, at least for g36c and b1301

maybe i'll keep 95 weapon fov, seems clean enough ig

also do you guys care to turn up anti aliasing at all? or is that just on off? right now the only three settings i turn up are textures, AA, and view distance so i can get the best fps without nuking my game

but if AA is unecessary i can just turn that off as well

[balmy patio]

i forgot, does arrest cancelling prevent them from picking up the guns from the floor or u still gotta grab em

[jolly verge]

Patch notes say it's been fixed but it still working

[balmy patio]

nvm yeah just tested it

[torn turtle]

What’s the best ar

Or gun whatever

[lost inlet]

ARN-180.

[torn turtle]

K thx

[balmy patio]

does armorer even do anything for ceramic

i lowkey forgot, i rarely play singleplayer only for the achievements

[jolly verge]

50% more durability and 5% more reduction

Steel benefit from armorer more than ceramic

[waxen tartan]

You couldn't be any more wrong it's the mcx by a long shot

Even the ga416 is better than the arn-180

[balmy patio]

wait but ceramic already has 100% DR

ok i i read the spreadsheet it increases your durability by 2

not bad but steel is pretty overtuned in commander so

[jolly verge]

Yeah it's much better at hitting the ceiling after a few shots

[jolly verge]

I mean when broken

40% > 45%

[waxen tartan]

Don't get me wrong i like the arn-180 i used it a lil bit but it ain't no where near the best

[jolly verge]

It is meta. MCX have the same recoil as ARN but it's 5.56. GA416 have the worst recoil in game for a 5.56

[balmy patio]

yea yea we know about the GA416

but can u blame em, the diopter sight GA416 is too much drip for it

[waxen tartan]

Recoil isn't bad for me u must be using it wrong

[jolly verge]

I can use any rifle just fine, it's just the 416 being statistically the worst 5.56 gun in game.

[lost inlet]

bait used to be believable.

i wonder why this guy think ARN-180 is worse than 416.

[jolly verge]

Like why do i need to use the worst rifle when i can use the perfect one that can be used with JHP on almost all missions in game

[lost inlet]

even with max vertical reduction, 416 is still the worse than naked ARN-180 and MCX.

[stable kernel]

Superior German engineered recoil

That being said the G36 also exists

[torn turtle]

Why can I never find the last enemies

[hybrid belfry]

Who gives a fuck tho

People should play with any gun they want fr

[lost inlet]

a lot do actually.

[hybrid belfry]

mf just play the fucking game😭✌

[lost inlet]

you can play with whatever gun you want, don't come in here and demands that an objectively the worst gun to be the best gun in the game.

[hybrid belfry]

objectively worst gun in the game is raider

or whatever that pistol called thats in PDW section

[lost inlet]

so is the 416 in the 5.56 category.

[hybrid belfry]

mp7 lowk goated, why no one is using it

[balmy patio]

whos no one

its the best smg against L3 and L4

[waxen tartan]

I just tested it out y'all just don't know how to manage the recoil

[lost inlet]

it's bad against lvl4...

[waxen tartan]

I use it all the time

[hybrid belfry]

only a few missions have L4 armor as im aware

[lost inlet]

AP 4.6x30mm doesn't pen lvl4.

[spiral cipher]

I'm so done. I true solo'd A New America on Hard and have been searching for the last civillian for 40 minutes now. Through the map, close all doors, through the map open all doors. Have checked everything even the pre-arrested ones. Nothing.

[hybrid belfry]

who gives a flyng fuck homeboy, if u want u can clear ANA only with Glock without shooting heads while usng JHP

[lost inlet]

i'm not saying you're not allowed to use MP7 on elephant since every suspect has lvl4, i'm saying MP7 is just not good for that kind of map.

[spiral cipher]

Mp7 works great regardless of armour level

[lost inlet]

geez, learn how to read instead of read what you wanna read.

[balmy patio]

yeah but atleast most levels dont have that armor so compared to the rest of smgs it will work on alot of em

[spiral cipher]

Just shoot them in the head

That's the point of low recoil. If you don't get a headshot you get to keep trying.

[hybrid belfry]

Incapacitating suspects feels better than killing them

Because I'm a pacifist and only time I killed suspects because I wanted to was ANA

[spiral cipher]

Then why is it even a question? Run beanbag or shoot them in the legs

LVAR best gun tho

[torn turtle]

Why can I never find the last enemies

[spiral cipher]

They're roaming

[dire raft]

What’s y’all opinion about the SLR-47 ? 👀

Should they add more kalashnikovs for SWAT?

[narrow geode]

Trash ak

[dire raft]

I like it 🥲

Just wish it would support more optics

[narrow geode]

I want a proper ak rifle

[dire raft]

An AK-103 for a Dark Waters scenario would be cool

[rough needle]

the optic with the magnifier is an aimpoint duty mr right

[sand abyss]

I have felt nothing but frustration and anger when I did a new america on hard solo for programmed psychosis achievement. I need tips and wha to prioritize

[late prism]

I just think the attachments on it are terrible. In terms of actually using it I have no issue with it it's just that it's so damn unenjoyable to use.

As in I didn't like how the optics were mounted on it so I tried to use iron sights, but the laser is mounted pretty much ON the iron sights.

[dire raft]

It needs the eotech and then it would be perfect

[late prism]

I just want the EXPS x G33 toggle sight combo, I don't really like the curret toggle sight.

[dire raft]

With a green holographic laser would be awesome

[slim verge]

How to fix bug where suspects never surrender when u shoot them with beanbag shotgun from Free Leaning?

[final jacinth]

not a bug, when playing on hard difficulty you may encounter those "brave" suspects, which wont surrender unless you shoot them several times ruining a lot of my runs on s tier, best weapon against them is taser on close range, if its long range - thats almost guaranteed death, just wait for them to reach you and then stunlock and yell until they surrender

they are very annoying

[slim verge]

They surrender only when i get out from cover and stop use Free Leaning. But that makes me open for shots from another suspects

[final jacinth]

oh, well, thats annoying aswell

try to get them closer to you idk, i dont usually encounter this type of bug

[dire raft]

U can’t

If it happens then u have to restart

[solemn patio]

I want one :)

Anyways I think that the revolver needs more attachments lowkey

I wanna slap an eotech on it

Me when the suspect twitches suddenly and now my revolver shot misses:

Console is so annoying to shoot moving suspects on

[solemn patio]

Like id love the option to cock the hammer

[dire raft]

Overall more attachments

We don’t really need new weapons

[solemn patio]

I think we could use it as like an option in the laser light selection ui they have for console

[solemn patio]

We need the weapons we do have to be better

[dire raft]

1.5 or 2x

[solemn patio]

I dont like the risers on the rmr and sro for the submachine guns

Give us an ACOG LOL

The revolver is horrible

We need a 44 or 41 magnum or a ported barrel option

[solemn patio]

Judge fires too slow and it does too little damage

Give me a colt python and see how fast i fire it

[solemn patio]

I guarantee faster than fucking judge

“Oh accuracy” WE’RE IN CQB, besides its precision we gotta worry about with the hostages n all

The revolver makes center of mass shots actually matter holy

Its a whole different beast

[dire raft]

Doc’s MP5 with acog xD

[wintry sequoia]

5.56 mm to the head

[solemn patio]

But hes s ranking :(

[dire raft]

S ranking imo should be just for arresting VIPs but not for letting every suspect live

[solemn patio]

Uhm i accidentally shot milky toes or wtv in the back of the head

With s revolver

According to the mysterious inquiry there are 5 other suspects in the ring voll and brixley were in

Maybe thst could make for some bonus content? I would love to see that

[sweet fractal]

snakes

[sweet fractal]

thats perfectly alright

[solemn patio]

We have staircase, authority, eye, control, styx

[sweet fractal]

make sure to double tap

[solemn patio]

Besides pretty sure he watches yknow..

[sweet fractal]

oh i know dw, and thats why i HIGHLY suggest you tryout the M1014 shotgun on his legs!

[solemn patio]

I think Id rather have him around to see if he tells us anything

Not like anyones gonna bust him outta jail theyre probably gonna make him their prison girlfriend

[sweet fractal]

you already can get a lead from the computer

[sweet fractal]

oh hey and uhhh

[sweet fractal]

i forgot but he is armed and dangerous when he comes out the room so it perfectly allows you to take the shot without ANY roe violations :D

[solemn patio]

Yes but hes preferred alive

Im tocs good boy you see

[solemn patio]

Ill shoot to incap next time

[wintry sequoia]

yea its so stupid that you have to assault a highly armed and dangerous criminals with rubber bullets to get S

[narrow geode]

Not every mission have VIPs
S rank is not realistic anyways

[lost inlet]

Mid now tbh.

Boid nerfed its recoil long ago, used to be pretty good.

[blazing shoal]

hey which battle rifles do you guys recommend? im leaning towards the SA58 or the GA51 because of the shorter barrel

[nova wing]

im rocking mk16 and five-seven

[wintry sequoia]

if i hold alt and press S does my hitbox change or just the camera? like you can get basically on the ground with this

[solemn patio]

M14s-16 or G3A3

M14 if you care more about style

[solemn patio]

SA58 id reccomend out of those two for practical use

[nova wing]

what do you think about mk16 then?

[solemn patio]

GA51 is uhh uglyyy

[solemn patio]

Like it alot, use it in ranger cosplay, you mean the mk17 right?

MK17 is the 762 version, mk16 is the 556 version

[nova wing]

5,56 nato

[solemn patio]

Dude 556 is not a battle rifle cartridge, hes talking about battle rifles

[nova wing]

its kinda big but i like it cuz of not really high recoil

[nova wing]

ooooohhhhh shiiii XDDDDD

[gilded root]

Ey, will Ready or Not be on any discount in the near future? Or should I just wait until the summer sale?

[solemn patio]

I like the MK16 too buddy

[nova wing]

try predicting on steamdb, it was 85 zł last time

[nova wing]

yaaaaaay :DDDD

[solemn patio]

I wish they let use use the boot or color the scar black

[nova wing]

yeah true

[gilded root]

Makes me feel like some investor on stock market xd

[solemn patio]

Or a different stock on the buffer tube

[nova wing]

but works ig XD

[nova wing]

yeah true true

[solemn patio]

Like a Magpul PRS stock or moe carbine stock

[blazing shoal]

thanks

[solemn patio]

I wish we got an od green option for it because FDE is ugly

[gilded root]

I saw that RoN has some nice gun customization (and gun variety as well).

[solemn patio]

GA51 is shorter sure but ITS NOT A PARA FAL 💔

[blazing shoal]

using the G3A3 or RTWC makes me feel claustrophobic because my gun keeps getting stuck lmao

[solemn patio]

Cant cahnge color sadly

[gilded root]

I'll take it.

[solemn patio]

Yeahhhh that part sucks

[solemn patio]

Just dont hug cover, stand slightly back and use pistols to clear tight spaces

[blazing shoal]

i dont bring secondary ammo LMAO

4 flashes, 2 stingers, 2 wedges

[gilded root]

To be honest I'm probably gonna try to play RoN like I'm in some John-Wick movie and fail spectacularly.

[trail oasis]

I am trying to join and click "worldwide" as server, but it says no servers found

[solemn patio]

Well gorsh hope you dont gotta reload hyuk

[solemn patio]

Stingers and flashes dont do anything different

I think

[blazing shoal]

stingers can stun someone even with anti flash goggles but honestly i dont even know who wears those

also i think the AI squad is better off using the G3A3 since they are both unphased by recoil and dont have to raise or lower their gun in front of cover

[glass heart]

any 7.62 rifle is good when they use it

doesnt actually matter which one you pick since recoil is immaterial to them

besides the g3 recoils very little for 7.62 standards

[blazing shoal]

my aim and recoil control aint exactly good though, hahaha

anyway, i still have a lot of things to try out

[slender narwhal]

I wanna see some PvP

[tranquil arch]

I host PvP matches you can join if you want.

[wintry sequoia]

i, with 2 others, completed narco using only lethal pistols, they were using battlering ram and ballistic shield as well but it doesnt say that in the achievement, any idea why none of us got the beat cop achievement?

[wary summit]

I kinda have trouble understanding how the flower man in A New America works, so I have a few question:

1. Is it possible to make him surrender and arrest him without intercepting this device previously?
2. Does intercepting the device make him unable to detonate the bombs? Because before, every time he saw me he would immediately blow up the explosives, but after I intercepted the devices, he like spread his arms instead of holding the switch once he saw me, before I even threw a grenade

[distant rose]

G3A3 is good

[distant rose]

basically my advice for ANA is clear every single room except for the courtroom, wedge all courtroom entrances, go back down to the jammer and interact with it and then clear the courtroom from your preferred entrance which will allow you to stop detonation (or detonate yourself if you want).

[wary summit]

Still doesn't answer my question, will the flower man manually detonate the explosives if he sees me after I intercepted the jammer or is he basically harmless for those 2 minutes?

[tranquil arch]

Harmless

[wary summit]

And do you need to arrest him to complete bring order to chaos objective or is he treated more like a civilian? Because it would be useful to know if I've neutralized all the suspects before dealing with him

[distant rose]

honestly idk, i've never entered the courtroom without jamming the signal. all i know is that if you jam the signal and go to the courtroom immediately he won't detonate

[wary summit]

Like can you complete bring order to chaos while he's still not in handcuffs

[tranquil arch]

Meaning if you intercept the jammer for the 2 minutes you can enter without dealing with him. You need to arrest him to complete one of the objectives required for the mission.

[distant rose]

i think he's a suspect iirc

[tranquil arch]

Arrest the VIP suspect

[wary summit]

well okay thanks

[cedar mulch]

Left Behind vs The Hand?

[tranquil arch]

But after the 2 minutes is up he will detonate regardless of you entered or not so you must finish the objective within 2 minutes after intercepting

[near topaz]

Bro died on ironman mode on neon tomb i was goning for no officers killed. the fist mf blow me up becaues d platoon was blocking me😭

[jolly verge]

You can't use shields

Ram is fine

[wintry sequoia]

does that make the entire lobby not get achievement?

[jolly verge]

Idk, did you get at least C grade after that?

[umbral furnace]

how much space does gas actually fill?

i can't tell because people are coughing way outside the gas cloud

[tranquil arch]

Hopefully this helps your next ironman run but when you die immediately spam ALT F4 before the results screen appear. If you're lucky the save won't be deleted. It helped me save a 2 months ironman run where I'm S-ranking all missions on hard and died on Elephant. But it only works sometimes, it failed for me before.

[near topaz]

i tried it didnt save

[tranquil arch]

Sorry dude

[umbral furnace]

hm

I guess gassing the courtroom isn't viable then, it's too large

[tranquil arch]

You're gonna need like, idk, 5 full inventories of them

[umbral furnace]

yea i guess i just have to leave it up to stingers and RNG once again

[native rune]

You can peek and then lean the courtroom doors, as long as the main dude doesn’t see you you’re free to blast the other non vips inside

[jolly verge]

You can gas the doorway, suspects inside the room won't see you once you open the doors

[umbral furnace]

i don't think you can, considering i actually failed the objective by just shooting outside the courtroom

to leaning the doors that is

[wintry sequoia]

i think so

[native rune]

I do it every time, there’s way too many suspects in there for the ai to manage

[umbral furnace]

If you use C2 and a stinger launcher they all lose morale and surrender instantly

problem is you can't restrain anyone because they start pouring in from the side rooms

every S rank attempt I've done has ended with me being shot in the back while restraining suspects in there because they stand up by the time you've restrained a couple

[tranquil arch]

Yeah you'll need a whole team

[tranquil arch]

Normally I ask each of my officers to restrain one

[umbral furnace]

I'm using the AI but they refuse to restrain anyone until they've been out of combat for like 10 seconds

by which time everyone is starting to stand up again

[tranquil arch]

Command them to restrain

[umbral furnace]

I do, they don't listen to the command if they're still in combat mode

[tranquil arch]

Try to keep them out of combat. Just gas the room with them all locked away and by the time they enter they won't even need to combat and just restrain immediately

[loud ravine]

What’s the point of the XE Sight if it doesn’t zoom in?

[glass heart]

it has a silly alt aim (you use the irons on the bottom of the sight), thats about it

it doesnt do anything the other 1x optics cant do besides that

[loud ravine]

1x optics don’t actually zoom in right?

[glass heart]

obviously not

the only optics that can zoom in this game are the elcan, atak-r and the magnifier combo red dot

[loud ravine]

I’ve noticed when it comes to NVG, the magnifier is the only clear sight

[half osprey]

Issues joining friends. Anyone else?

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge why did you delete your spreadsheet? it was good

[jolly verge]

I transferred most stuff to the MMMM's one

[rocky plover]

i noticed, but not everything :/

[jolly verge]

Only important

I mean the only thing that left is recoil stuff

[rocky plover]

the best part about it!

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

but i also liked the part about civilian count/suicidechance

the commander traits format, yours looked better too

[jolly verge]

Yeah i just simplified it so it looks like the rest of the spreadsheet

[rocky plover]

ah i see

did you finally been able to replicate this? #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[jolly verge]

Yeap

After almost hundred restarts

[rocky plover]

hahah ikr, 26 seems more common than 22, but its still rare as well

while 23-25 is the most common seems like

[jolly verge]

I never seen 26 suspects on score screen until i get to the main room

1 suspect is always on map but spawn only after something you do (idk what)

[rocky plover]

really i was able to replicate getting 26 just by restarting at the spawn

but took a lot of tries, same as getting 22

[jolly verge]

That what i did. I see 26 suspects in my table but on score screen it showing only 25

[rocky plover]

i meant i was seeing 26 on score screen though

[regal tundra]

26 suspects and they’re all on the 4th floor

[rocky plover]

lol imagine xd

[slim verge]

• Flower guy surrender if u yell at him enough
• signal jammer will not disarm bombs it just delay detonation. By that time u have to cuff flower man and disarm bomb on his vest manually

[jolly verge]

and all with JHP ammo not just BSG

[regal tundra]

Holy shit I didn’t know they used JHO

P

That’s a new addition to the spreadsheet

I’m shook

[rocky plover]

ye the black sentinel ones uses jhp

it was a seperate spreadsheet - incorporated in 1 now

[regal tundra]

Wow. That explains a lot

Basically almost 3-shot kills you with limb shots if im reading the tables right

And with how fast they fire on hard…

[rocky plover]

yea on hard without traits

[regal tundra]

Yeah like during the infamous “PP” run

Your chances of bleeding drastically go down

[rocky plover]

ikr

the firerate part doesn't make sense especially +50% for rifles bruh

makes their rifles become a10 warthogs lmao

[jolly verge]

With Boiling Point update you can shoot faster than suspects on hard now

[regal tundra]

Heh. And while trotting around

Those BS guys have the most counter strike timing ever

[rocky plover]

yea strafing with perfect accuracy ,like wth

[rocky plover]

ye but still with their reaction time, perfect accuracy, and other bs combined lmao

[regal tundra]

Am I reading right that the suspect JHP does more damage even to armor?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[rocky plover]

basically ye, from blunt force ig

[regal tundra]

Lmao, lol

[jolly verge]

JHP ammo have more base damage
7.62x51 AP 160 - 86.5% = 21.6 dmg
7.62x51 JHP 180 - 86.5% = 24.3 dmg

[regal tundra]

With 7.62 it’s enough to reduce the shots till death by 1 on hard as well. 7 instead of 8

So it seems like suspect ammo type has no consideration for penetration which I guess we already knew based on their wall banging prowess

[rocky rover]

Suspects only use AP

[rocky plover]

some use jhp

[regal tundra]

Nah read up a bit my man

[jolly verge]

They have the same pen as we have, if that what you mean

[rocky rover]

Man, read it there sorry for wrong Intel.

[rocky plover]

no worries

[rocky rover]

Parrot cant be right all time ?

[rocky plover]

[regal tundra]

Ya I guess I’m just saying like. If we use 7.62 JHP it wont punch thru Lvl 4 plates

[rocky plover]

yea but can still kill from blunt force even if its not ideal, but ye it would take us more shots

[hybrid belfry]

I did everything I could and I don't know what to do

[regal tundra]

But it seems like suspect ammo type I guess never pens us

[rocky plover]

meanwhile they can still kill us in less shots even if we use steel

[hybrid belfry]

They all use JHP trust

[regal tundra]

Lmao

[hybrid belfry]

That's why limb shots can cause bleeding

[regal tundra]

Anyway, my choice of ceramic for PP is slightly more validated now, yay

[hybrid belfry]

And also JHPs can be bought for self defense so it's expected for suspects to have them

[rocky plover]

i would still probably use light front only steel if il have to do it again

[regal tundra]

I’m unsure if this is a bit, they almost universally use AP except for two missions

[rocky rover]

Imagine if 5.57 pistol and p90 or mp7 special caliber has penetration ability in JHP. What about in AP ?

[hybrid belfry]

I usually rock Light with Back/front ceramic plates

[rocky plover]

jhp can still penetrate - up to L2 though

[rocky rover]

Sure sure

[hybrid belfry]

When does L3 armor start?

[rocky plover]

not bad for a general build, i used to use that, but transfered to front only steel with steel buff update

[rocky plover]

what do you mean?

[hybrid belfry]

Since what mission

[rocky rover]

What do YOU mean steel uodate ?

[rocky plover]

lethal obsession is the first mission that has L3

[hybrid belfry]

Basically anyone who visually wears a vest

[rocky plover]

when steel was buffed

[glass heart]

not necessarily

[rocky plover]

dont trust that xD

[glass heart]

lots of people with no visible armor have l3 and lots of people with visible armor only have l2

[hybrid belfry]

How exactly it changed

[rocky rover]

👍 😁. Need a review of updates

[glass heart]

if you want to actually know just look at MMMM spreadsheet

[rocky rover]

Yep. Best reference so far

[rocky plover]

became 86.5% from 70% which made it better than ceramic due to damage cap also being fixed, also speed penalty was reduced from 23% to -18% per plate

[hybrid belfry]

Ceramic is rlly for people that know what they're doing now

[rocky plover]

i mean it's still good, but for longer maps, where you're risking, that it breaks

[hybrid belfry]

I was wondering who actually wears kevlar

[rocky plover]

probably, no one lol

[rocky rover]

Could be fun for some personnal challenge

[hybrid belfry]

Lowkey I forgot that this shit even exists haha
I would've made my Patrol cop loudout even more accurate cuz they wear Kevlar as I'm aware

[rocky plover]

ye you get 50% with kevlar, but might as well use stab vest for more slots tbh even though its 0%

[hybrid belfry]

But you can't apply skins for stab vest which is awful

It only fits with ranger green outfit

[regal tundra]

Stab vest
Put it on
It doesn’t reduce stab damage

[jolly verge]

Ballistic shield does

[regal tundra]

Finally lol

[jolly verge]

Even if you stabbed from behind

[regal tundra]

That’s awesome

[jolly verge]

Idk why they can't do the same thing for stab vest

[sand abyss]

are they fixing the way AI throw throwables yet?

[jolly verge]

Maybe

[rocky plover]

naming it stab vest is the most misleading thing lmao

[rocky plover]

true

[winter pendant]

Fking what 😭

[wintry sequoia]

my team ai refused move to command like 6 times in a row, so i went in first saw a suspect got hit and started backing off, my ai then rushed him while still being behind me resulting in me being killed by them 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

[glass heart]

People who do challenge runs and clueless people

Theres literally no inbetween

[stable kiln]

is there a tool to get ai to clear a room on their own, seems flashbangs/any throwable is pointless atm

[marble flume]

Its good on SWAT AI because they get shot from every direction

[marble flume]

I mean, basically every single "game tip" that RoN shows is misleading at best and malice at worst

[rocky plover]

true

[marble flume]

One of the tips is that melee bashing is effective on uncooperative suspects, it just outright gives you "pro tips" that get you killed lmao

[rocky plover]

[jolly verge]

Uncooperative suspect who actively shooting at you from M249, let's bash him

[marble flume]

That's only true if you're melee bashing a suspect without a weapon currently equipped, which only works if you time it right so you land your melee bash before the suspect gets a punch off

Pepper spray and pepperballs are very effective against civilians and complete dogshit on suspects

[hybrid belfry]

This game has tips????

[marble flume]

Yeah, the loading screen tips that are almost all bad rofl

[hybrid belfry]

I use it on civis

[hybrid belfry]

I didn't even knew there was any

[marble flume]

Yeah, its the meta against civilians, but the tip actually specifies "suspects" in it lol

I think it can maybe work if you circle-strafe sprint around a target, and that's mostly for enemies that have a knife equipped

[hybrid belfry]

Usually bashing hesitating suspects makes them surrender longer so even if they changed that this still would be bullshit

Must've been the wind

[marble flume]

I do this with taser bashing sometimes since you can stun for super long with it

Also, I swear this bot censors the most random fuckshit

[hybrid belfry]

I never carry a taser❌

Sacrificed that for more valuable stuff like flashbangs

[marble flume]

I quite enjoy using it, its basically a CQB beanbag shotgun with a longer stun and two rapid-fire shots

[hybrid belfry]

Just use TRPL

[marble flume]

Dawg that pistol barely works on Normal difficulty, I was trying to S-Rank Greased Palms on Hard LMAO

[hybrid belfry]

"CQB" "Greased Palms"

[marble flume]

The main use case for the Taser right now are for the starting rooms right in front of you and the upstairs office, the latter actually being the main use case

I only bother with one point on it since you get six rounds, the rest of the points right now are for beanbag shotgun rounds and stinger grenades

[rocky plover]

i always have a taser in all my loadouts, 6 shots for 1 slot is pretty good, way more ammo economic than the TRPL too lmao

[marble flume]

The pepper pistol gets one guy per mag, you're not getting more.

Its kinda useful against civilians if you want to secure them at a distance; just get them to surrender then tell them to run to the exit

[rocky plover]

yes, that's why i said a taser is much better and more ammo economic

[marble flume]

The pepper pistol has more range, but thats basically the only use case apart from lethal-focused runs where you want a non-lethal testing option against disguised suspects

[rocky plover]

not to mention against suspect you need a whole mag on hard mode and it can still not work lol, while the taser almost always works

[marble flume]

It works, but it has a six-round magazine and you need to land six shots lmao.

Hell, even the pepper AR is shit on Hard

[rocky plover]

true, but might as well throw a flashbang or something in that scenario tbh

[rocky plover]

exactly

[marble flume]

my ass ain't burning a flashbang on a possible civilian lmao

if you shoot a disguised suspect with even one pepperball shot they're gonna start running away or pulling out a weapon, civilians don't move while you bully them with less lethal

[rocky plover]

you said suspect, who mentioned civilian

[marble flume]

The key word here is "disguised suspect" on maps like Hide and Seek

[rocky plover]

just bash civilians, not worth using anything else tbh, you're just wasting stuff and making noise

[marble flume]

There's usually other tells though, even shining a flashlight at them instantly gives them away

[rocky plover]

except tasing the stubborn ones xD

[marble flume]

all civilians are stubborn lmao

[rocky plover]

i meant the ones that are way more

[marble flume]

the father on ends of the earth is deadass the only civilian in the entire game that I've seen that somewhat reliably surrenders on the very first compliance yell

I'm actually pretty sure he surrenders the moment he even sees you

[rocky plover]

true lol

[sturdy pumice]

Is the glock 17 better or Is the glock 18c better?

[ocean steeple]

||Is it confirmed that the USIA killed governor whitfield or was it the MLO?||

[lusty light]

g18 overall imo. Doesn't get a barrel attachment so no suppressor :( but having full auto in a pinch helps a lot. just make sure you hotswap to it when you load into a mission to get that lengthy ass inspect out of the way

We get it bro, you got a miniature death machine, no need to cod inspect the ho everytime you use it 😭

[wide verge]

9 bang >>> taser in almost every scenario

The short fuse on the 9 bang is a game changer

[sand abyss]

I need loadout tips for soloing a new america, I am using b1301 and light armor. Anything I should I be bringing?

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural wanna continue the chronological run? We are at greased palms and ends of the earth

After this it’s 23 megabytes, sinuous, the spider and valley then it’s buy cheap buy twice and hide and seek

[sudden thorn]

Another friend will be joining too I think you played with him before, MaKi

[lilac mural]

Yeah sure

[radiant pike]

greased palms hard can eat a

[bright belfry]

Who are the non MLO guys in ANA are they also MLO guys but just not fucked in the head or what?

[rocky plover]

I had light armor with front only steel with m1014 shotgun with buckshot, in addition
I had 1 mag of JHP .50AE for those peeks in tight doorways - good for 1 shot kills to limbs, I also had a couple wedges to avoid getting flanked from behind, and a couple c2 as well to counter their breaches very easily and to blow locked metal doors and the rest of the slots on a lot of 9 bangs and I had 1 cs grenade as well that I used as a smoke grenade on the 22nd floor

[sudden thorn]

Black Sentinal

[bright belfry]

Fuck those guys

[sudden thorn]

Also do you want to join Beter and MaKi, we are doing a chronological run and it wouldn’t hurt to have someone else

[rocky plover]

I would love to, but I'm gonna sleep in a bit

[bright belfry]

How much money is MLO paying them to launch a terrorist attack on city hall

Blackwater type shit

[sudden thorn]

Alr

@lilac mural @placid grotto I made a map of where we will go in the briefing tablet look at it

[stoic thistle]

I think that the mercs are part of the 2nd cohort.

[radiant pike]

anyone got a lore reason why King likes to teamkill so much

[umbral furnace]

that tip is fine, it works on suspects who won't cooperate but also haven't pulled out their gun yet

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural @placid grotto that was the cleanest clear of this mission I have ever seen

ends of the earth now

Nice job

why did that word get my message removed what

time for the naughty people missions then

[floral dove]

GA51 or G3. With foregrip and compensator I find it has very manageable recoil

[floral dove]

I would recommend a battle rifle, G3 or GA51 personally. Light armor is fine(have noticed very little difference in the time it takes NPC's to kill me in heavy or light armor on ANA hard). Bring lots of flashbangs or stingers, a mirror gun, and door wedges.

Door wedges are super helpful on ANA due to how aggressive the AI is

[ocean steeple]

they’re not being paid. They’re just slightly less screwed in the head as the MLO

[sudden thorn]

sinuous trail time

[ocean steeple]

You can hear them say stuff like “you can’t see the strings being pulled around you” and “a reckoning is coming”

its also implied and theorized that the USIA and Fisa are compromised from the inside along with them being behind the blackwood pier attack and with them being connected to LNDC, the UPF, and black sentinel

[sudden thorn]

Nice job

The Spider next

[sand abyss]

i am thinking of what quality steel or ceramic, I am using a yt video for basis on hard mode and I have the tendency to start spraying if I get shot.

[sudden thorn]

Honestly id say ceramic is better

[sand abyss]

going for programmed psychosis is all so I'm getting my ass beat and I want to get my ass less whooped

[ocean steeple]

if you’re doing programmed psychosis use steel

it has better protection the only downside is it can launch shrapnel at your teammates

[sand abyss]

been doing that but I sometimes forget to utilize my free lean and get 2-3 tapped like a mozambique drill

[ocean steeple]

but the teammates arent an issue in this case

[jolly verge]

Steel is better but you still can die in 3 shots of JHP with full health and then just from 2 once you healed yourself

So don't stick your elbows out of cover that much

[ocean steeple]

yeah unfortunately with how hard mode is programmed armor isn’t gonna do much

you’re still gonna get 3 tapped

[jolly verge]

That not about difficulty but the fact that BSG on ANA use JHP ammo

[sudden thorn]

Valley of the dolls time

no mercy for voll first one that kills him gets a prize

Or arrests him I don’t really care

[ocean steeple]

i moreso was talking about their aim

[hybrid belfry]

RoN patch breaking all mods tommorow

[balmy patio]

do you lose ur ironman save if u crash

[ocean steeple]

wdym?

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural nice job

MaKi had to leave sadly time to go on to the last two missions of the main game

[lusty light]

No

You'll just have to restart the mission you're currently doing

[sudden thorn]

@lilac mural nice job on to the final mission of the main game, im gonna change my loadout into a more militarised one while still trying to keep it realistic like how the police force becomes further on in the dlcs

[sudden thorn]

Yes nice job we finished the main game @lilac mural

I know the order of the home invasion missions let’s do those

[woeful dove]

I think this game needs 10% more melee capabilities

[lilac mural]

Yeah i have time for two more and then i have to go

[sudden thorn]

Alr

We can finish home invasion tomorrow and hopefully the other two dlcs as well we got through a lot today

[sudden thorn]

True

[ocean steeple]

the boiling point ones are gonna take a while especially a new america

[sudden thorn]

A new america isnt that bad ive gotten used to it

[lilac mural]

Had to go now lets finish the dlcs later

[sudden thorn]

Yeah it was fun playing

[lilac mural]

Gg’s

[lilac mural]

Yes it was

Had the audio bug in car dealership like 4 times

[distant rose]

steel imo

ceramic gives you 12 free hits per side

which against smg's aint that good

[wind gyro]

steel over anything

[spring saddle]

what happnes when u give AI a gas launcher

do they use it?

[sudden thorn]

Rip

[dull lintel]

Will RoN ever get a point shop on Steam?

[covert hamlet]

ya they use it

but CS gas sucks so it’s pretty much objectively worse to give them it over the flash launcher

[woeful dove]

Gonna make the trepang 2 characters in ready or not >:)

[nimble ravine]

Based

[chilly needle]

Hey im trying to get the "by the book achievement and on google it says nit to report the store manager and have the AI do it but it won't work any help

[jolly verge]

You can report anything just fine

[chilly needle]

Ok thanks

[solemn patio]

I just got pissed on across the map for wearing stab vest

I realized i leave myself vulnerable a bunch

Suspects are weirdly accurste did i accidentally turn on hard mode

[sudden thorn]

first mistake was wearing stab vest

[solemn patio]

But im doing the west achievment wtv

I need the ammo revolver is like shooting wax at people

[sudden thorn]

Fair enough

[solemn patio]

Imagine trying to do ana taser only

That would be unpleasant and funny

[balmy patio]

there is indeed a video about it

[solemn patio]

Theh have insane aim at range what did they do to rust belt

I got one tapped brother.

What if i tried to solo narcos

WITH A REVOLVERR

[sudden thorn]

With no armour and no helmet too with an s rank

[balmy patio]

30 minutes of just spamming shout until the AI gets tired and rushes in 😭

we love 4th floor

[sudden thorn]

Either that or nobody is even up there the 4th floor is funny

[pulsar lake]

Is it intended to cancel your free lean when you get shot or is there a workaround?

[frigid sand]

can i use the flash launcher for the the heat is on achieevement

[blazing shoal]

ah i see, thanks. also i wanna ask when you'd use suppressors? i usually run suppressors unless when im bored and wanna go loud, there seems to be not much difference in how to play with or without it

[lone musk]

Got a nice and clean S on Ides of March after 3 tries with minimal difficulties on said S run, thank you devs for adding wedges.

And now Sinous Trail

[pale marsh]

How many extra shots should I run for the bean bag gun. Im currently running 6 to 8 extra and I keep seeming to run out when I use it on most early maps.

Or is it where if its not empty it will still count a reload of 2 shells as a full reload

[lone musk]

I'm also on a few day streak so far of trying to do at least 1 succsesful S run mission a day, hopefully I finish in a few days cant wait till after I S run Valley of The Dolls then I can just go Rambo on all the suspects in it and aspecially Voll...

A slow-ish and methodical Rambo run but a Rambo run n gun run none the less.

It will be a bit hard to resist equipping a shotgun or rifle when I do get to Valley of The Dolls but it will only be for one time S running it.

And one time only....

[pale marsh]

Can someone explain how the extra mags for shotguns work to me because im running 6 mags and I keep running out on maps like valley of the dolls and twisted nerve

[fallen osprey]

are wedges broken on ANA? guys keep just opening and going through doors ive wedged like 3 times then onetap me... they arent even kicking or ramming or anything

[fallen osprey]

nevermind i think ANA is just broken... just wont let me move sometimes ig

[wanton kite]

every thing of shotgun ammo is always 8 shells unless you're using the mossberg 500 in which case it's obviously a magazine

[vivid widget]

i’m trying to go for programmed psychosis right now, what were your loadouts for them?

[fallen osprey]

one shotted again... with full health full armor and ballistic mask... and the guy was flashbanged... truly what an incredible game i think im just gonna mod this

[ocean steeple]

average ANA on hard experience

[fallen osprey]

im on standard

i mean not even standard im using a pretty much easy mode AI mod

[ocean steeple]

its not that bad on standard mode. You just got unlucky

[fallen osprey]

well then ive gotten unlucky 4 times in a row and that has never happened on any other map

[flint minnow]

with the Flashbang primary ammo, if i take "5" is that 5 x 6, or is it just 5 extra shots?

[ocean steeple]

You have to be smart.

and take it slow

[lost inlet]

5 extra shots so 11 total.

[flint minnow]

oof

[ocean steeple]

mirror every room and peek around corners with the mirrorgun

also watch for the IR laser traps

[covert aurora]

and watch out for laser traps

lol

[flint minnow]

maybe im better taking the bean bag with 3 extra and stockpiling flash / 9 bangs

[ocean steeple]

also always walk slow and peek doors rather than opening. the MLO guys can hear a pin drop and if you do literally anything within a radius of them they’ll come to you

[sour relic]

is the motion sensor trap on doors bugged? i feel like they do nothing

[fallen osprey]

bro no amount of "be smart and take it slow" is gonna stop MLO from oneshotting me while flashbanged

[flint minnow]

i did notice that, but if you have your volume up you can hear what they are going to do cause they verbally talk about it, and if you hear the clicks they have detected you as well, and expect something, i walked upto the wedding room, heard him say "get ready to breach" so i went and hid near the left side behind the pillar waited for their flash, then popped them both as they walked out

sometimes they just walk up boot the door down and akimbo, you also need to take adrenalin into account, cause sometimes they just dont stop, like a meth junkie

[ocean steeple]

Did you actually hit him with the flashbang or did it just go off near them

it has to be close to them for it to work

[fallen osprey]

i physically hit him with a 40mm flashbang from the m32 and the other guy was like maybe 2 meters away

[ocean steeple]

your issue is the M32. The hit detection and stun on that thing is weird despite it being good

Run beanbags and regular flashbangs

I can clear both floors in like 10 minutes on standard believe me if you take it slow its not that bad

[fallen osprey]

alrighty ill see about that thank you

[ocean steeple]

remember mirror under every door and watch for the IR laser traps

Be careful of the door after the copy room too if you go that way. There’s a guy who likes to spawn at the far end of the room and he’s difficult to see with the mirrorgun

[flint minnow]

how many uses does a taser have?

[ocean steeple]

6

[flint minnow]

hmm, might give it a shot

shame we cant have it as a secondary

[ocean steeple]

What mission are you using it on?

[flint minnow]

Stolen valor on hard

[ocean steeple]

I mean you can try it but taser isn’t that great regardless

Don’t try it on any of the missions where the suspects have vests bc it wont get through the clothes

[flint minnow]

yeah, these guys are half naked, but i probably wont even use it tbh, ill get something else

[fallen osprey]

that did not in fact work they dont even get stunned

i dont think im gonna be s ranking this one ngl

[ocean steeple]

If you wanna party up in a bit i can try to help you through it

I just have to get some stuff done first

[fallen osprey]

no im not gonna do it today

[ocean steeple]

I have S rank but you should have seen my reaction the try before i got it

I had all the dudes subdued except one in the final room and the dumbass decided to get up to pull his sidearm and i accidentally nailed him in the head with the beanbag and killed him

(it took me 3 hours to even get to that point)

[flint minnow]

i had one mission i almost got an S, but a civ ran through a booby trapped door and blew them self apart

[vagrant marsh]

Lmao

[lost inlet]

We used to be able to have taser in our secondary, the community wanted it to be in utility slot instead for roleplay purposes. Then boid gave the community what they wanted and now the community wanted to reverts the change.

[flint minnow]

Oh i see, maybe alow them in both slots, but you can only have 1 =/ i dunno

[tacit gull]

the larp took over

[flint minnow]

well, for larp purposes i want a barret

[vagrant marsh]

Larp larp larp

[vivid widget]

what loadouts did you guys use for programmed psychosis

[blazing shoal]

i mostly see shotguns used when doing that achievement

[flint minnow]

im just taking the SA-58, no prisoners

50 cal pistol, 1 mag bunch of flash and a bunch of wedges

[marble flume]

Not sure I ever asked for this change, since it makes no sense at all and counts as a pistol anyway.

If anything, I'd rather take the TRPL as a utility since you'd at least get more mags for it that way

[marble flume]

I'm like 99% sure that's not true at all and it works regardless of armor equipped. I mean, suspect armor has zero effect on the beanbag shotgun

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message @novel stream AP rounds on the revolver only bypass Level 2 armor, that suspect has at least L3

[flint minnow]

its amazing how the AI instantly knows where you are

[marble flume]

They have perfect vision and very good hearing, so stealth is nearly impossible

[flint minnow]

i was literally standing still in another room waiting for them to come to me, he ran in the room instantly killed me

[marble flume]

Gotta hit that freelean around cover to buy some more time lmao

[ocean steeple]

I just looked it up and it cannot penetrate body armor

[lost inlet]

It can in game.

Ron is not realistic at all so stop relying on real world’s logic.

[ocean steeple]

I literally just googled it 😭

[marble flume]

I have no idea where you looked that up cause its not correct lol

[noble hedge]

I watched a man S rank programmed psychosis with flashbangs and tasers only

[flint minnow]

i googled it and this is what it says "In Ready or Not (as of the Boiling Point DLC), tasers cannot penetrate body armor.Key Findings in-game:Armor Blocks Taser: Taser probes will fail to produce a stun effect if they strike armored areas.Effectiveness: Armored suspects are generally immune to frontal taser hits, whereas soft armor (anti-stab/light) offers less protection against the taser’s electrical current than hard plates, but the barbs often cannot penetrate."

[marble flume]

Here, take a look at this if you're curious

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[ocean steeple]

thats what it says when i look it up

[lost inlet]

Fucking AI overview.

[marble flume]

Stab Vests don't even block anything, not even melee attacks lmao

[flint minnow]

easiest way ill try it right now in a mission

[lost inlet]

You can load into neon tomb where every suspect has lvl3 plates, use the taser on them and it’s guarantee to stuns them.

[flint minnow]

trying it on ANA

[marble flume]

I'd probably go Sins of The Father, most of the map is pretty close range so using the Taser would be easier

[lost inlet]

Doesn’t matter which level anyway cause taser stuns as long you hit the suspect with it.

[flint minnow]

yeah, thats not a good mission to try that on, insta dead when i got in range lmao

[marble flume]

Also, the Taser has a built-in laser, and I'd actually aim with that instead of the weapon sights

[ocean steeple]

i never run taser so i guess its good to know to not listen to the ai overview 😭

[flint minnow]

loading sins now

see what happens

[lost inlet]

Maybe at least fact checking everything the AI said on google.

[tacit gull]

-ai at the end of any search query so you dont get dogshit spit onto your screen

[ocean steeple]

why are you getting so peeved about this damn

[flint minnow]

ok, tasers do work

[lost inlet]

I’m not? What gives you the impression that i am?

[ocean steeple]

^

[ocean steeple]

^

[lost inlet]

I guess bro.

It’s generally pretty stupid to use real life’s logic for your argument on a video game.

[flint minnow]

oh well, tasers work, just tested, so lets go shoot bad guys and lock them up

[ocean steeple]

That was my mistake for being confusing. I wasn’t trying to use real life logic I literally just saw on reddit and the google search that it didnt work 💀

my bad

[chilly thorn]

Larpers hate to hear this sentence…

[ocean steeple]

real

[chilly thorn]

“Why are their only 5 officers on an oil rig raid!!!”

[ocean steeple]

“why is judge still alive after getting an entire rifle mag fired into his chest”

[marble flume]

armorer/nutritionist with steel be like

[marble flume]

I mean, honestly, outside of the miracle we call the MMMM spreadsheet, you should probably just assume anything else you hear about this game is just straight-up incorrect. There's a LOT of bad info on RoN

[vivid widget]

reddit is a terrible place to learn about most games

[ocean steeple]

Yeah i mainly just play when im bored and keep up on the lore type of stuff

[marble flume]

the game's great when its not ass

[ocean steeple]

this is true

[ocean steeple]

i can’t say i don’t love it when suspects eat my beanbag rounds at point blank though

no animation no nothing 💀

[marble flume]

I wonder if thats just a weird hitreg issue or something

but the Taser is pretty clutch for room-clearing shenanigans

[ocean steeple]

I mean sometimes my gun just literally won’t fire 😭

I’ll have it fully reloaded and it’ll just stop working in the middle of a gunfight

[marble flume]

hm, if you're really up on a guy's ass then you can't shoot

[marble flume]

Oh I don't know what that issue could be lol

[ocean steeple]

No like i’ll be a good few feet away and it just won’t shoot

[marble flume]

hmm

[hybrid belfry]

I just found actual chronological order for all RoN missions and holy shit

Our squad instantly gets send to 2 terroristic acts missions after the Gas Station

Thank You, Come Again - February 3, 2025 - 23:00 (11:00 PM)
Neon Tomb - April 19, 2025 - 01:00 (1:00 AM)
Relapse - May 8, 2025 - 12:30 (12:30 PM)
Carriers of the Vine - June 1, 2025 - 14:30 (2:30 PM)
A Lethal Obsession - August 20, 2025 - 14:25 (2:25 PM)
Twisted Nerve - September 29, 2025 - 03:30 (3:30 AM)
Stolen Valor - September 29, 2025 - 04:25 (4:25 AM)
Ides of March - October 1, 2025 - 11:00 (11:00 AM)
Sins of the Father - October 2, 2025 - 09:30 (9:30 AM)
Hunger Strike - October 3, 2025 - 17:00 (5:00 PM)
Rust Belt - October 15, 2025 - 14:30 (2:30 PM)
Elephant - October 17, 2025 - 09:30 (9:30 AM)
Greased Palms - October 25, 2025 - 11:35 (11:35 AM)
Ends of the Earth - December 3, 2025 - 14:25 (2:25 PM)
23 Megabytes A Second - December 8, 2025 - 10:30 (10:30 AM)
Sinuous Trail - December 15, 2025 - 20:00 (8:00 PM)
The Spider - December 21, 2025 - 13:25 (1:25 PM)
Valley of the Dolls - January 5, 2026 - 19:35 (7:35 PM)
Buy Cheap, Buy Twice - February 10, 2026 - 04:40 (4:40 AM)
Hide and Seek - February 18, 2026 - 02:15 (2:15 AM)
Lawmaker - February 19, 2026 - 04:40 (4:40 AM)
Dorms - February 20, 2026 - 06:45 (6:45 AM)
Narcos - February 25, 2026 - 19:50 (7:50 PM)
Mirage at Sea - September 15, 2027 - 19:50 (7:50 PM)
Leviathan - October 21, 2027 - 08:30 (8:30 AM)
3 Letter Triad - November 5, 2027 - 15:30 (3:30 PM)
No Good Deed - September 3, 2028 - 22:12 (10:12 PM)
All Gods Burn - September 4, 2028 - 12:27 (12:27 PM)
A New America - September 4, 2028 - 15:33 (3:33 PM)

[ocean steeple]

As the green dragon order intended

[hybrid belfry]

What's that

The thing that All Gods Burn and ANA take place only 3 hours apart is genuinely insane

[marble flume]

with Carriers of the Vine after that, lmao

[ocean steeple]

its theorized that ||thats where the man with green gloves comes from||

[marble flume]

So he's a green... man?

You could even shorten that to the... G-Man?

[ocean steeple]

hello… mr judgeman

[tacit gull]

the ggman

[hybrid belfry]

Ggs

[ocean steeple]

but in all seriousness the green dragon society is a secret organization similar to the illuminati that influences events on a global scale

[hybrid belfry]

The thing that our squad sent to deal with every bullshit in this city is crazy

[ocean steeple]

I was saying earlier that both the USIA and FISA are compromised internally but we don’t know by who yet

[hybrid belfry]

Isn't like Judge's squad is elite and stuff knowing how much gear they have?

[ocean steeple]

Yes D platoon is supposed to be a last resort

[hybrid belfry]

Swat officees SHOULD NOT have Quad nvgs

[ocean steeple]

They’re like that because they’re stretched thin and because los suenos is basically a warzone

[hybrid belfry]

"Sir, your favorite Gas Station is being robbed."
"Fuck! Sent in D-Platoon! "

[ocean steeple]

they sent them in because like i said they’re a last resort

the LSPD is canonically stretched extremely thin during the events of the game

they literally have no one else who could’ve responded

[hybrid belfry]

Literally other swat officers in All Gods Burn are wearing stab vests and dead officers in ANA don't wear vests at all. Like shi bro give others AT LEAST Ballistic vests🙏

Swat officers that ARE NOT in D-Platoon are basically getting absolutely the same gear as Patrol officers

[ocean steeple]

Because thats literally all they have left 💀

[hybrid belfry]

Evil greedy judge gets all equipment for himself and his squad😡

[ocean steeple]

But yes in short terms the organization behind everything is using los suenos as a testing ground between the USIA, FISA and all the other criminal orgs there.

During ANA if you turn on the tv’s when the governor of california is going into the city during the riots someone kills him with a car bomb. we don’t know if it was the MLO, USIA or the unknown group

Presumably whoever is behind it is trying to completely cut off los suenos from the rest of the country for whatever reasons they may have

[hybrid belfry]

U can't have shit in Los-Suenõs😭

[ocean steeple]

deadass shit is worse than gotham 💀

i wonder how much rent is there

[hybrid belfry]

They pay you to live here

[ocean steeple]

The new punisher tv special that just came out is just an average day in los suenos

[hybrid belfry]

Everytime someone shoots in Los-Suenõs rent in that place skyrockets because people there can defend themselves

[hybrid swan]

Anyone else constantly having enemies that won’t register their headshots when they take hostages and will instead execute the hostage either way?

[tired jungle]

Mmm no

Yk the game has a height over bore mechanic

[hybrid swan]

Yes I do

Still happens, my friend experiences the same. One PS5 on Xbox series X

[hybrid swan]

I can’t wait for them to fix the hard mode AI on this game

[sullen lily]

why should i choose smgs over ars