👮ron-discussion

[nimble ravine]

Damn leaves

just do proper CQB duh

[winter pendant]

I mean yes, but there's definitely a method to it

[lost inlet]

Make the enemies reacted more accordingly to your action and makes mistakes a little more punishing? No are you dumb? Reduce reaction time, increase accuracy, more health and make everything the player less effective is the better way to makes the game harder.

[marble flume]

Nah, now the 12 gauge is reserved for long range maps while I stick to PDWs and pistols for close range

[lost inlet]

how else would the game makes the players feels what is it like to be a SWAT?

[winter pendant]

What if they could shoot through walls faster, and without seeing you first 💡

[marble flume]

I need to actually try playing Casual difficulty, I'm curious on AI reaction times there

[lost inlet]

play that if you want to roleplay as SWAT.

[marble flume]

From what I can gather, minimum reaction time for Normal suspects is still 0.1 seconds, which is actual insanity for Normal difficulty.

Hard cuts that in half lol

[lost inlet]

i actually had fun playing the game as it intended on that difficulty.

[tacit gull]

With perfect accuracy? hell yeah

[winter pendant]

I'm honestly fine with standard as the "tuned" experience for LS

[tacit gull]

1.0's where its at

[nimble ravine]

You’d be surprised if you do proper CQB

[marble flume]

Also, why are we suppressed by incoming fire when the suspects aren't?

[winter pendant]

Magdump through a quarter sized hole at 50 yards

[marble flume]

Another issue is that suspects move very fast and can actually just outspeed a shotgun blast at close range, but that shit doesn't really work at longer distances rofl

Basically what I'm getting at is "just use some bullshit with full auto to clear a room"

[winter pendant]

Hit me with that sideways bunny hop COD shit lmao

That's what the CIA taught those MLO guys

[marble flume]

its called the "cha-cha slide one-tap" actually lol

[winter pendant]

Cha cha real smooth

[marble flume]

I also love how you can blind a suspect with pepper spray and they can still track your exact location while being unable to see

[lost inlet]

make suspect acts like real life scenario to simulate real life SWAT. ❌
make suspect as anti-player as possible to makes them stress and hate the game. ✅

[winter pendant]

And Hunger Strike right now is like "I sense a disturbance in the force, execute the hostages"

[marble flume]

That map has a 60 second active shooter timer, its legit designed as a speedrun map

[lost inlet]

that's neat part, you are not spraying pepper spray, you're spraying orange juice.

[marble flume]

Pepper Spray in Deus Ex 1: stunlocks an entire hallway
Pepper Spray in Ready or Not: can't stun anyone and you're defenseless while using it

[tacit gull]

my boy really put this game next to deus ex

[winter pendant]

Shoot suspect: he shoots back
Shoot suspect with pepper spray: he shoots back while dabbing on my corpse

[tacit gull]

it's a game from the year 2000 bruh of course its gonna destroy it

[lost inlet]

EA pepper spray was the king of CQB cause it instant stun lock any suspect got hit by it and surrender pretty much instantly.

[marble flume]

to be honest I don't even remember how pepper spray worked in SWAT 4

I'm pretty sure it worked well, it was just sort of suicidal to try using it on a suspect

[tacit gull]

It wasn't entirely suicidal, it was good if you aimed for the eyes

[winter pendant]

They didn't add a bash until the expansion so they needed something

[tacit gull]

the problem was

in swat 4 suspects had equipment that protected them from certain tools

so if you rushed a suspect wearing a gas mask or a riot face shield with it you would die

[marble flume]

Yeah, you didn't have a melee until Syndicate, but melee in RoN is actually better against civilians and you don't even need to yell at them for it to work

[winter pendant]

I have started circle strafe bashing suspects in ron who fake surrender and it is honestly kinda working

[marble flume]

I miss the OG pepperball gun with full-auto and a 50-round hopper

[tacit gull]

i think you meant 200

[marble flume]

was it 200? I thought it was 50 but you had like 200 reserve

[tacit gull]

you couldnt reload it

[lost inlet]

it's 200.

[tacit gull]

(shocking concept to void i know)

[marble flume]

then they added the VPL-25 and I was like "25 rounds? this thing is dogshit"

now thats the best pepperball gun we have lol

[tacit gull]

wait untill you see the trpl buddy

it gets so much worse

[winter pendant]

No idea who that was for

[marble flume]

unironically better since it at least works with a riot shield

[tacit gull]

FUCK no its a gun that can stun at max 1 suspect

[marble flume]

so even if you can only get one suspect (maybe, lmao) at least you aren't just instantly dying

[tacit gull]

with an entire magazine

[winter pendant]

Six rounds of "why isn't this working" and then reload while you're getting lit up

[tacit gull]

meanwhile the taser just gets you like 4 arrests with one slot

[marble flume]

its great if you've got friends or friendly SWAT AI with you though, you'll soak incoming fire and they can do the rest. The pistol is more of a last resort option over shield bashing

[tacit gull]

on hard it cant stun a suspect if you miss a single shot lmao

[marble flume]

On hard using any pepperbal gun at all is just voluntary CBT

[winter pendant]

Why they didn't give it a longer mag I'll never know

[marble flume]

the taser with canted aim and a laser is the goat at close range

[tacit gull]

why they added it is a better question

it actually has 0 place in the game

[marble flume]

I do think its realistic, but it just needs to be more effective per shot

[winter pendant]

That tiny other pepperball gun would have actually made sense as a secondary

[marble flume]

if the pepperball pistol could stun in two hits you could actually use it

[winter pendant]

The flux raider would have made sense as a secondary

[tacit gull]

genuienly the tpl would have been infinitely better as a secondary instead of that

atleast it would have justified the ammo economy for it

[marble flume]

actually, yeah I'm in complete agreement, the pepper SMG could've easily been a secondary

[tacit gull]

meanwhile now its just

pepper launcher but you get less ammo

have fun dickface lmao

[winter pendant]

I don't understand who makes these decisions or how they miss these things cause to me it feels so obvious. Why not pistol if pistol shaped???

[tacit gull]

what's even more insulting is they gave out the trpl to console players

[marble flume]

I think the pepperball pistol might fire larger shots than the pepperball AR, like if it could stun a suspect with two shots it would actually work

[tacit gull]

while locking them from accessing the mkv and the m32, the STRONGEST guns in the game

[marble flume]

Alternatively, just give me two magazines per slot so you actually have rounds to fire.

Alter-alternatively, just make it a tactical and make the Taser a goddamn secondary again

[tacit gull]

legit people complained so much about the taser being a secondary meanwhile secondaries are almost fucking useless because of how the game works

[marble flume]

The main use case I had for the pistol was on maps with disguised suspects, where I'd tap a guy at a distance and blast him if he started running, since civilians don't start running if you shoot them with less lethal

[winter pendant]

The wombo-combo of "pepperball takes a while to kick in" and "your shield gets harder to see through and shoot with, the longer a fight takes" is one that basically any good game designer would have caught and vetoed

[tacit gull]

"what's a game design?"

[winter pendant]

I'm sorry this is the first time I've been directly mean about it but it's so fkn bad

[marble flume]

I will say, right now there's a glitch where the shield visor's damage actually resets after continued gunfire lol, but it actually makes the shield fun to use right now

[tacit gull]

you paid 120 smackers for this bro please continue 😭

[winter pendant]

I know. It's the only reason I can use the shield at all 😭 a bug

[winter pendant]

Crying brohug gif

[lost inlet]

this community is cancerous.

[marble flume]

The shield is great and all, but it has enough downsides already, IMO.

Also, its just super artificial, because its not like rounds are actually hitting the visor, it just "happens" when you block enough bullets and its insanely obvious

[tacit gull]

all of that so they can go around saying "see guys we listen to the community"

enjoy this useless fucking feature that took like 2 minutes to add

i just wanna add btw

people are STILL asking for arrest cancelling

[marble flume]

isn't that a thing already?

[tacit gull]

yeah

[lost inlet]

it is.

[marble flume]

lmao

[winter pendant]

I'm doing programmed psychosis with it and I'm still getting hit with it while crouching and looking right at the attacker, idk, maybe they just have one magic AP bullet per mag each idfk

[lost inlet]

the game never tells them that so they don't know. :clueless:

[tacit gull]

its a useless fucking feature that only served to break the game worse lmao

[gritty coyote]

besides relapse, which map is this

[marble flume]

Hide and Seek, I think its also possible to get a civilian to surrender with it, then telling him to run to the exit so you don't have to arrest him in the middle of a death zone

[winter pendant]

Galaxy brained. Shoot first and ask questions later. Police game.

[marble flume]

Recently though, I realized suspects react to flashlights, so if you point a flashlight at them and they do ANYTHING, they're a suspect and are now KOS

[winter pendant]

Actual genius use case

[tacit gull]

me when the police game requires me to magdump a wall with my standard issue battle rifle

[marble flume]

I don't know what the aggro range on flashlights is though, like if it pisses off suspects across the entire map or not

[celest spindle]

And then the AI just John wicks you out of no where

[winter pendant]

"Nah anything below 7.62 is a waste of time" police game

[marble flume]

They removed the John Wick issue by making you near-impossible to kill lol, they actually just made armor so broken

I recall the EA days when some woman with a Makarov broke my Heavy Armor through a wall

[tacit gull]

unless you're on hard where 7.62 doesnt fucking do anything

[winter pendant]

😭

[tacit gull]

that was 1.0 bro

[obtuse sequoia]

How come we don’t have balaclavas in commander mode yet? I don’t see why they couldn’t do that.

[celest spindle]

I dont see that on xbox
I still get one shotted lol

[marble flume]

Rifles in general are pretty good, you don't need 7.62 per se

[winter pendant]

Mfw the breaching charge is low key the most effective less lethal weapon in the game (police game)

[marble flume]

Actually I don't know how consoles work, but as long as you have an intact helmet a one-shot shouldn't even be possible.

There's a damage cap of 70 on Normal and 80 on Hard, meaning you should always survive two bullets on Normal

[tacit gull]

well see the guy working on customization doesn't want to be fucked even though the devs pushed the customization in the game

[obtuse sequoia]

Or different color variations on certain weapons, I want a black 509

[obtuse sequoia]

Why would he be fucked

[winter pendant]

I think he meant like "bothered", "arsed"

[tacit gull]

because he would need to mesh the balaclava for every head type

or well

[celest spindle]

I started playing this on game on casual because last time I played this game on stanard, missions like Neon Tomb and Elephant felt like a chore for me now matter how I slow I approached the situation lol

[tacit gull]

with how much clipping the game has they cant even be asked to just make one balaclava that clips through everyone's head

so there you go

[lost inlet]

still can't fucking fix the clipping issue on ballistic face mask and gas mask.

[celest spindle]

Also I dont have time burning hours to play on stanard

[lost inlet]

also give me back my red visor.

[marble flume]

honestly, the "slow" approach is probably worse than the gung ho approach generally.

I haven't played New America (I haven't bought the DLC) but that may be the one exception

[lost inlet]

void, you have no business taking that away from me.

[obtuse sequoia]

Ohh okay, I see what you mean. Still tho, there’s gotta be a way to make some sort of balaclava for all of the head shapes. I mean fuck, it can’t be rocket science. To be fair, I don’t know how many different head shapes there are tho so you might be right

[winter pendant]

FBI stuff got renamed FISA but the shield is just blank

[tacit gull]

understood, removing the fbi visor

[lost inlet]

[celest spindle]

But you cant just run and gun in this game, or the enemy just kills you

[lost inlet]

which bozo actually wears fisa visor?

[marble flume]

Run and gun works fine as long as you gun down the enemy before they gun you down lol

[celest spindle]

I dont, I use the tinted one

[winter pendant]

Me with FISA flashbang goggles that attach about two inches above the mounting rail floating in space

[tacit gull]

It doesn't fucking matter though does it? The devs pushed for the customisation aspect, ALL of the promotional material features balaclavas, facemasks, even heads that already have the balaclavas fitted are in the game files and yet despite massive community request for them they're relegated to 3 premade heads in multiplayer

[celest spindle]

I doubt thats gonna happen in this game the way its lazily designed

[celest spindle]

This too

[marble flume]

taking "cover" is a pretty hefty gamble of "oh boi I hope they can't shoot me through this wall"

at least the ballistic shield is bulletproof, so if its on your back you can pop a fat 180 and not get killed

[winter pendant]

Mfw every promo has "SWAT" on every patch and piece of gear but the amount of items with SWAT printed on it is 1

[tacit gull]

they removed that subtitle from the game bro no more swat

we d platoon up in this bitch

[obtuse sequoia]

You would think they would have already did it because of all the requests but yk fuck the community 😭

[marble flume]

I mean, say what you will about RoN, but this has gotta be better than the Dark and Darker Season 9 trailer that showcased a mechanic that was gutted before the new wipe even dropped lol

[lost inlet]

that's the fucking plan.

[tacit gull]

me when i forced customization into the game but customization so hard :*(

[lost inlet]

pretty much everywhere in roadmap, there's a little bit of fuck the community sprinkled on top of it.

[winter pendant]

/soon/

[tacit gull]

wdym judge's head clips through this helm... whatever bro just push it to main idc...

the gas mask goes through prescott's head? who would want to wear that anyway?

[lost inlet]

update once per year.
complete dogshit contents.

[winter pendant]

Something something "a headache the size of my balls"

[tacit gull]

this plate carrier clips with 1/2 of the shirts? tough shit bro its not like we added customization to the agme

10 dollar please though? 🥺

[obtuse sequoia]

I’m willing to bet in like a year, this game is gonna be underground and niche asf

[tacit gull]

i'm sorry to say but ready or not is painfully successful

like suspiciously so

either the people who actually give a shit about the problems are a vocal minority on here or the game is actually being botted

[winter pendant]

I'm gonna say it's the former, you hop into pubs and it's shoot anything that moves

[fallen osprey]

ready or not is probably one of my favorite games of all time, i have not spent so many hours in a game so soon after buying it and ive never played a game i wanted to 100% before this one

it has problems but it's still a good game

it's very unique and just fun (to me, at least)

[tacit gull]

i think ron is a terrible fucking game tbh

nothing about it really works

like at all

[woeful dove]

"don't make widows and orphans and widows, bring order to chaos"

nuhuh

they shot me first

[winter pendant]

It's pretty busted but it is fun and there isn't much like it because nobody is making games where you sometimes don't instantly kill people

[fallen osprey]

also it's an incredible amount of work to make a game that looks this good

[woeful dove]

looking and feeling good is a hard balance

[tacit gull]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-6291937884935153335

ready or not does NOT look good bruh

[woeful dove]

its a 6/10 on graphics

[tacit gull]

It also looks worse than it ever has because of the downgraded textures (the one thing this game had that is basically just no effort on optimizing game files)

and the fucking insane overuse of fog

[fallen osprey]

bro this game is damn well the best looking game ive played, so many details

[winter pendant]

Dishonored 1 is one of the greatest games ever made, just saying, go play it, read all the stuff they wrote, admire the 2012 oil painted aesthetics, bask in the tightly knit mechanics. It goes on sale relatively often.

[fallen osprey]

though the oil rig is crazy laggy

[tacit gull]

someone hasn't looked at the fucking disgusting waves on pier

[fallen osprey]

i really dont think they look that bad

[tacit gull]

they are AWFUL

especially since they did them PROPERLY in other maps

[fallen osprey]

i think that RON is good when you dont have people yelling in your ears that its bad

[woeful dove]

graphics are not extremely good, you must be playing 2016 games if that's the case

[tacit gull]

that's not how that works lmao

the game doesn't teach you anything, if you bother learning something you get fucked because the mechanic doesn't make any sense anyway

[woeful dove]

this game uses prebaked lowres lighting in ue5 which is wild to say

[winter pendant]

It is a matter of expectation a bit I guess. If you expect nothing but a head clicker, you'll be pleasantly surprised

And honestly Hard mode is ragebait so there's that

[tacit gull]

i can probably point to a singular tree in red dead 2 that also has more detail and looks better than the entirety of ron

[winter pendant]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[tacit gull]

insanely realistic facial animation

(metahuman uncanny valley animations)

aswell as that one "old person" on stolen valour that actually looks like a burn victim

I remember back when facial animations being added BACK was treated as this massive thing that they dedicated multiple devlogs to

and when you look inside i'm pretty sure its all premade shit with ue's tools

the lipsync is fucking terrible too

[lost inlet]

graphic and good feeling while shooting on some guns are the only good things about RoN. The rest are just mid and complete dogshit.

[tacit gull]

the shooting is carried by the sound team

and that one vfx guy that made the muzzle flashes

which are the like one remaining pretty part of the game

[lost inlet]

also modding as well.

[tacit gull]

general sound quality is also good in ron, its like the one thing you can praise almost across the board

[lost inlet]

if weren't for modding, game would have been dead a long time ago.

[tacit gull]

minus the

https://klipy.com/gifs/disgust-disgusted-emoji--k01KQKJSW8XWH0WYXFWTZ8E2HSV

voice acting

[winter pendant]

I wish they would separate the voice volume out into its own slider. Or at least the radio.

[lost inlet]

treat everyone at the scene as potential suspect.
make civi and suspect's voice lines clears as day and easy as hell to tell the differences.

[winter pendant]

Hearing all that ranting and yelling is really distracting on ANA, if i were there irl I'd be turning that shit down and focusing on not dying to the highly trained supersoldiers

[tacit gull]

this is fisa, jorking it on an open frequency

[gritty coyote]

Stalker 2 looks better than RON, but also runs like cr4p

[winter pendant]

OPERATIONAL TEMPO IS AT YOUR DISCRETION 😏

[tacit gull]

stalker 2 also doesnt look that great but atleast it looks better than ron yeah

[gritty coyote]

Playing RON I just need to be smooth

[tacit gull]

stop 😭

[gritty coyote]

What's your bar of great and how many games meet it

[winter pendant]

Oversight expects you to be a good boy and follow the rules mommy TOC taught you

[lilac mural]

Where are the updates? Its been over a month since 1.4.2. If that can even be called a patch since it was that small.

[tacit gull]

i can tell you that most games on ue dont 😭

a good example of an ue game that looks great is replaced

stuff like shadow of the colossus or journey also look amazing still

[winter pendant]

Strong art direction in those games

[tacit gull]

i'd go as far to say that even arma reforger looks great

[gritty coyote]

We're now talking about art direction instead of graphical fidelity then

[tacit gull]

the sunsets in that game are pretty as fuck

[gritty coyote]

Yeah no, arma doesn't look better than stalker 2

[tacit gull]

yeah well having all of the text on the equipment legible like in ron doesn't really do much does it

[tacit gull]

HARD disagree

[gritty coyote]

There's zero debate

[tacit gull]

yeah you're wrong and i'm right

[gritty coyote]

You operate on a taste I don't care for if you think arma looks better than s2

[tacit gull]

I could honestly say the same for ron

[winter pendant]

I have no dog in this race, I haven't played either one, I went and looked up some vids of both and found things I liked and things I didn't

I bet you both of these games have better nvgs than ron though i can't see jack shit on port

[cedar prairie]

easiest missions to s rank?

[woeful dove]

gas station

[cedar prairie]

already did gas station and 23 mega

doing ends of the earth next

[woeful dove]

do mail center lol

[cedar prairie]

is this ragebairt

[woeful dove]

surely not

[woeful dove]

do rust lol

[cedar prairie]

how yall how many soft objectives in ends of the earth

and where are they

[tacit gull]

there's like 2

[fallen osprey]

in a bedroom, there is a bag, look for money

that's it

[tacit gull]

one in the attic and one on a couch in a bedroom

[fallen osprey]

OH yeah also the gun production

[cedar prairie]

okay done which do i s rank next

[winter pendant]

Next to s rank would be lethal obsession imo. Just fewer suspects is easier s rank in general

[cedar prairie]

alright

[winter pendant]

Then maybe twisted nerve? Lot of suspects but low morale so it's easier than the privsec in The Spider

[cedar prairie]

soft objectives on lethal obsession?

[winter pendant]

Newspapers in the dining room is all

[tacit gull]

such an arbitrary objective lmao

random box of papers in a corner reported

ignore everything else

[nimble ravine]

Greased palms

[cedar prairie]

is this ragebait

[winter pendant]

"Entry team to TOC... This dead rat's name was piccolo. He liked corn. I... I think i need to go see my ex wife"

"I'm going home"

[tacit gull]

toc... there's a container full of women....

my wife left me

[winter pendant]

gratr no!!!!

😂

[nimble ravine]

Or ides of March for the glorious spectacles

[winter pendant]

Ides is substantially easier to s rank

[nimble ravine]

glorious spectacles

[woeful dove]

AP lmg

[marble flume]

I actually just did Hard mode S rank on Ides of March on my first go

granted, thats cause I'm on Commander mode with two Intimidators and two Negotiatiors and I just solo'd the map to make sure they didn't all get massacre'd, but it wasn't too bad

[cedar prairie]

died lol

gonna play again tomorrow

[woeful dove]

@cedar prairiedo rigs

[woeful dove]

TOC to entry team, stop larping and get the job done

discord moderator FISA enters the call

leave this for the alphas to do....

[marble flume]

Christ, why was Hard S on Ends of the Earth such a pain in the ass?

I almost had to whip out the goddamn M32 for that

[digital adder]

Maybe im beating a dead horse here... But i havent played RON for a while and i started think the game looks ugly. I remember the game looking really good, demanding for my PC but looking good. Is it just me or did they downgrade the game?

[tacit gull]

if you played pre console update yeah, the game is noticably uglier due to lower quality textures, more lod scaling and just overall lower quality

[stone bay]

Has VOID said anything at all regarding the next Patch?

[tacit gull]

no

[floral peak]

no

They better be fixing SWAT AI

or fix bugs on Greased Palms

[digital adder]

Thx so it wan't just me

[stone bay]

The only reason I joined this again was to see if they were talking about an upcoming Patch. I check Steam DB frequently and I see the change numbers. Just really want them to finally fix Hard Mode - or better yet, remove the Difficulty Selector altogether.

[digital adder]

Haha that complaint have followed since the release of the game xD

[floral peak]

and now there new bug on Greased Palms

its doesnt really affect lethal gameplay, BUT if you S rank, you have to restart every time you encounter it

[stone bay]

Where are the Taser Reaction Animations? Where is 8-player CO-OP? Where are the Suspect hiding animations? (besides Twisted Nerve, the only map that has them currently).

[floral peak]

There no 8 player CO-OP, suspect can hide on lots of maps

[stone bay]

Just so disappointed in the lack of communication EVEN ON HERE. Like there's all these pointless ARG and old Alpha channels, and the Bug Reports Channel seems like they don't even ackowledge what players are saying.

[nimble ravine]

Honestly, only thing I have a problem with

[stone bay]

No - they ONLY hide on 213 Park Homes.

[floral peak]

Wrong

[nimble ravine]

Wrong

[stone bay]

Proof of Suspects hiding on other Maps? SUSPECTS - not civs.

[floral peak]

Amos Voll hides a lot on Valley of The Dolls

now hes gonna say that he doesnt hide

[stone bay]

Fair enough. But what about Brisa Cove? You know they showed off Suspects hiding on that Map YEARS AGO in that one video and it still never actually happens in-game.

[floral peak]

Would you expect war veterans that determined to assasinate the senator to hide from SWAT? In all that gear?

with m249?

[calm carbon]

It would be really nice to see them put LMG positions in front of doors

[stone bay]

I expect VOID to deliver on what they've showcased. I'm not talking about the release trailer. I'm not talking about EA. I'm talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UO-FyEdBpQ at the 3:36 mark

[floral peak]

i mean yeah, but it would be only on one mission

[calm carbon]

It's a nice hint of what their experience is

[chilly thorn]

Its the same

I've fucking analyised the graphics massively

its all in the brightness

The default brightness is fucking cranked up to like 2.80x

when it should be like around 1.80x and its fucking obvious since thats what it was like before the console update

its either a mistake or moronic decision

[nimble ravine]

Haters gonna hate

[calm carbon]

Agreed
But the game is meant to be Replayed
And even if you don't want to reply it you are still forced to because if you die you'll need to play it again

[floral peak]

i get what you said, it would be a great addition

i myself replayed the game a lot

[stone bay]

What is the point of VOID even having social media (like this) if they don't even communicate about upcoming fixes / patches at all? NOR do they seem to even ackowledge the bug reports. What a waste of time and energy Discord is.

And I'm contributing to this by even being here. But if VOID was smart, they would focus on communicating on Steam, and not having social media. IDK, that's just how I feel. I have 3,700 hours and I just want the game to be better because there is NO OTHER SWAT GAME out there that has graphics, sound design and gunplay this good - but the persistent bugs and lack of meaningful, consistent comms from VOID really irritates me. Wish there was something better to play currently. Guess I'll go check Steam. sighs

Genuinely disappointed.

[cedar prairie]

dont really mind I just love playing ready or not

[marble flume]

I don't know if I've ever seen him hide one time.

I know civs can hide on Carriers, not sure about suspects though

[stone bay]

I do too! But the issues I mentioned are really irritating to deal with. It could be so much better but VOID refuses to communicate or improve the game.

[tacit gull]

yeah what

[floral peak]

He loves to hide under pool table on 2nd floor

at least i seen him there a lot

[stone bay]

No, Suspects don't hide on Farm.

[tacit gull]

i havent seen that happen at all since ea

[marble flume]

I'm not saying it can't happen, I just haven't seen suspects hide ever, I don't think

[nimble ravine]

Me n @cedar prairie

[chilly thorn]

im pretty sure all the social media is managed by someone outside of the game

[marble flume]

Also I'm really out here trying to S rank Greased Palms on Hard, in Commander mode

[chilly thorn]

the devs do their own shit

[nimble ravine]

Good luck

[floral peak]

wanna try in mp? i can help

[stone bay]

Those are 3 things that shouldn't exist in the game - ranking / scoring system, Commander Mode, and difficulty levels.

[marble flume]

I think I need Pacifier, I have two Intimidators and two Negotiatiors, but I think I'd rather have two Pacifiers and two Negotatiors

[nimble ravine]

I’ll help too

[cedar prairie]

yes

[floral peak]

im so bored rn, for some reason i cant find ppl that do S ranks

[cedar prairie]

when i bought ready or not my first impression was literally another shooter game BUT DAMN WAS I WRONG

[floral peak]

wanted to help badly

[cedar prairie]

im so invested to it lol

[marble flume]

Its a shooter where you're playing Tarkov and your enemies are all Scav Bosses

[cedar prairie]

always dreamt of being a policeman but damn ron made me see the reality of being one

[tacit gull]

based

[nimble ravine]

Me n you, s rank greased palms with this man if he accepts

[floral peak]

And A New America on Hard is SBEU hq

Where most of the times it ends in Head, eyes

[marble flume]

I do actually wanna solo it in commander, honestly lol, I'm sure I could abuse the flash launcher but why even play it at that point

[floral peak]

its not abuse

its the tool gaven to you

[tacit gull]

the only issue with that is atleast one of them needs a replacement

[cedar prairie]

does the fisa agent surrender in greased palms?

[cedar prairie]

or do i have to stun him

[marble flume]

with some convincing, he does

[floral peak]

he will shoot at first, throw a nade at him

[floral peak]

No one is forcing you to play other difficulty levels

[nimble ravine]

Get hit by a suspect through the smallest pixel imaginable across the map then get back to me

Chat, my mind has finally stopped remising about this girl and now I can sleep

[floral peak]

You cant sleep until you completed A New America on Hard S

[tacit gull]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nuh-uh-beocord--k01KQKS4BEK8NF79BMZ0DC7GTSE

[floral peak]

Wind is loud today

[marble flume]

average greased palms moment

[cedar prairie]

havent bought the boiling point dlc yet is it that harf

[floral peak]

Generally, no

[floral peak]

Last mission is the best in the game

If you planning to play on hard, the last mission gonna crush you

[marble flume]

Well thats another failed attempt

Got 12 out of 19 though, so thats a hell of an improvement

Armorer/Nutritionist makes you tank a shitton more bullets on Hard lmao

[floral peak]

yeah

[storm belfry]

usagi!!!

Never knew that Usagi was a member of the LSPD

[gritty coyote]

Hide and seek on hard is giving me more trouble than expected

This is like a completely different skillset from ANA

[storm belfry]

CQC vs Mid Ranged

[marble flume]

I just got the achievement to unlock every officer trait once, on a mission where I deliberately got all four of them killed on a door trap but one was a paramedic lol

i love rerolling for traits, commander mode is incredible, someone shoot me now

[midnight stag]

Is it normal for the AI to just, like, stand there and not shoot back when they suddenly start getting mag dumped by a suspect?

[tacit gull]

yes

[midnight stag]

this gold watch would be harder to get than I thought

[storm belfry]

lies, all false

Commander Mode is ASS

[late ledge]

is it normal for suspects in an apartment building to have the aim of john wick?

[marble flume]

some of the traits are actually useful for Hard mode, especially S ranks which is what I'm goin for

[storm belfry]

Straight up unfinished half assed work

[midnight stag]

I wouldn't mind that much if my ai teamates had the reflexes of john wick too, I saw one of my guys stare at a suspect mag dumping them for a whole 2 seconds before firing back

and they had flash launchers

[hybrid wren]

Yes

[late ledge]

our ai teammates and enemy suspects are NOT on the same playing field

[midnight stag]

yeah somehow our ai teamates are more incompetent than the junkie high off of drugs

[late ledge]

i had my first ever teammate death (2 of em) even though i threw a perfectly fine flashbang and i even ordered a launcher from them

[midnight stag]

I had a couple times where I told the ai to flash and clear and they said "yep" and stood there not doing anything

I did the thing were you tell them to fall in and re-issue the command but they still stood there doing nothing

[late ledge]

yeah sometimes they get confused

it got worse with the updates

[midnight stag]

yeah huh I kinda noticed that they got dummer through the updates

[late ledge]

im having more fun doing solo runs

[late ledge]

ik career stats aren't important but i had 0 teammate deaths

[midnight stag]

I'm trying to get the gold watch, no ai teamate death or resign on iron man, any advice?

[late ledge]

i just started the game tbh 😅

i have not even 20 hours on the game

[mystic palm]

Pray for the god of RNG

[late ledge]

but i would say maybe get no stress for swat mod?

if you're on PC ofc.

if not i pray for you

[marble flume]

if you want max carnage, I'd run Armorer, two Veterans and then a flex (Moral Officer, SBAGS, or something else like Paramedic), then give your bots full Heavy Ceramic and any gun caliber higher than 5.56 in JHP

[storm belfry]

Thats the problem

They don't have the SLIGHTEST clue on how to use non lethal

[marble flume]

for S ranks using AI, just give them beanbags, they're shit with everything else

[storm belfry]

That is semi lethal, therefore, works

[marble flume]

I don't think AI is actually allowed to cap suspects in the head, although I've seen it happened on a surrendered suspect so I honestly have no clue

still, they are complete and utter dogshit with the M32 or any pepperball gun

[midnight stag]

yeah they tend to stare at supsects shooting at them before they bother using the m32

[marble flume]

they're not bad with the M320 launcher when you tell them to fire it into rooms though, its a lot better overall than having them try to throw nades in lmao

[midnight stag]

I'd solo it and just dome every suspect if it didn't stress out my team making them resign

[marble flume]

quickplay lets you enjoy the game without any of the commander mode bullshit, in case you were interested

[midnight stag]

I had guys go from ok to crisis from just one round then resigned, I dont think I even killed a civilian, just all suspects.

[midnight stag]

yea I'm trying to get the gold watch

[late ledge]

decided i'd do a quickplay of all missions before going into commander mode

[quasi coral]

Unpopular opinion, but the MK16 is the best looking assault rifle in the game

Besides that weird ass stock adaptor, which you can ignore while using the rifle, it looks pretty clean, especially with the PEQ-15

[marble flume]

Also, if a civilian gets killed, just quit the level, it does less stress damage than actually completing the goddamn man

[midnight stag]

oh yeah I was wondering about that, if things get really heated and I know that one of my guys is probably gonna die, could I just leave and not affec the gold watch run?

I don't know if failing a level by quitting is considered a loss for the gold watch

[marble flume]

is gold watch hermit? If you fail at some point you can just Alt F4 the game, something I totally didn't do a few times to get the achievement

[rocky raptor]

I just did it too (4 hours of quitting if I got killed or the teammates)

The worst part is I think the watch looks ugly, but getting 3 achievements at once made worth it

Ironically, I died more times in the first half of the levels than in the final ones, I did those first try but died in a lethal obsession like a dumbass

I'm glad I won't have to suffer ironman mode ever again

[marble flume]

Speaking of, I've learned that the enemies have some sort of instant transmission capability cause I've seen it twice now where some fuck on the first floor just teleports to the second

He could've maybe flanked around since there's another staircase behind the building, but just last game I literally arrested a guy on the main floor and his ass teleported up an entire floor four seconds after I arrested him lol

[rocky raptor]

I got some paranormal shit going on also, a suspect got launched to the space in the valley of dolls, a guy teleported in my face in the mindjot mission and for some reason, when I spawned a suspect was already in cuffs in another mission

Never saw any of those things in regular runs

[marble flume]

Also I love how I can only unlock one trait at a time so I get to run Lethal Obsession five fucking times

[rocky raptor]

My farming mission is the first one, pretty bold using one with suspects with aks

The RNG gods literally decided to take back i guy in the clip

[midnight stag]

have ya tried it?

I'm not 100% sure if it works I haven't actually met anyone who alt f4 and got the achievement

[wooden lintel]

It works

And you will get achievement

[marble flume]

thats what I did lol

[marble flume]

well LO only has three suspects, zero civilians, and you can ignore door traps with a breaching shotgun

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message lmao that shit is hilarious, bugged on the garbage can and went up

[gritty coyote]

Trait? Farm?
I guess people really take AI team seriously

[glass heart]

all that for one of them to stand in gunfire and fucking die

commander mode is just not worth the effort lol

the friendly ai is too unreliable even if commanded properly

[late ledge]

they could literally fix commander mode either by nerfing suspects or improving swat AI

i js don't get it

i mean other than multiplayer commander mode is the main single player attraction

[gritty coyote]

Yeah just quickplay and solo for now until swat ai stops eating glue

I no longer bother with commander

I die enough times trying for hard solo as it is

[glass heart]

they were bad enough in lss, i dont understand why they felt compelled to nerf their accuracy

it went from 3.2 to 3.5

while suspects on standard have 3.8

and on hard 2.5 (lol)

[gritty coyote]

On hard our team is worse than crackheads?

[glass heart]

significantly

the only thing kinda saving them is how powerful swat armor is compared to suspect armor

[late ledge]

that must be some new kind of crack they smokin cause it boosts their awareness, reaction time, and accuracy by 300%

[rocky raptor]

They can be pretty good if they want, so yeah, also I survived some crazy gunfights solely because of the traits of them, and luck mostly

[late ledge]

matter of fact suspects are more qualified to be swat officers

[rocky raptor]

I was so out of my head that I made a deal with God and lady fortune on relapse

[gritty coyote]

Relapse hard solo was an incredible slog

Random schmucks

[rocky raptor]

In exchange of completing the ironman, I can't go out flirting for a while and actually worked since I finished the last 2 missions on the first try, with pretty nasty wounds and the pistol

[marble flume]

oh believe me, I'm farming these traits for the exact purpose of keeping those fucks in the backline

[marble flume]

Without traits yeah lmao, running a couple vets lets them actually hit shit though

[queen jay]

Why is s rank a new america so hard like one guy died to gas DESPITE HAVING A GAS MASK

[glass heart]

you shouldnt need a trait from a shittily made mode to have a competent swat team though

why cant they just be competent at aiming by themselves

[marble flume]

I'm actually farming traits right now for ME to be more competent lol

[lilac sequoia]

how's the weapons for console players?

[quasi coral]

It'd be really cool if our AI would flinch and immediately perform an animation to turn around to the suspect when being fired at

It looked a lot better in my head

[rigid depot]

Yesterday I saw someone say there’s swat ai in the stairwell on ides of march similar to the team in all gods burn but today I checked and couldn’t find them

[cedar prairie]

they do that alot

but only when youre going rouge

[quasi coral]

Yep, then they have the reflexes of a damn advanced targetting system on an attack helicopter

[cedar prairie]

tier one operators but they have the survival instincts of a potato when face against actual enemies and not a rouge judge

[marble flume]

giving them shields at least means they don't take damage from backshots, and they'll clear rooms with a shield too

[cedar prairie]

three of them got incapacitated whilr i was doing lethal obsession trying to s rsnk btw

[quasi coral]

I don't give them shields because it don't look cag

[marble flume]

I'm surprised you even had them with you for that level lol

[quasi coral]

Literally

[quasi coral]

I trust them with my life there

They've never failed me

[cedar prairie]

do you still get progress for the medal of valor achievement if you do it solo?

[marble flume]

I forget what that is, but probably

[cedar prairie]

achievement to s rank all base missions

i really wonder how people s rank something like port hoken considering the area is somewhat too big for the range of less lethal weapons

[wraith lance]

Surprisingly, it didn't oppose much problem
I had bigger trouble with Neon Tomb and Relapse

[cedar prairie]

in relapse the place where the second bomb is placed is what gets one or two of my officers killed

enemies really flank you then swat ai decides its a great idea to be all over the place

[marble flume]

christ, just had to alt-f4 the game cause I accidentally gave my swat guy a command, couldn't cancel it because this game is stupid, and then he got himself killed

[wraith lance]

Something out of the blue : I had now the proof by experience that 12 gauge slug is less efficient than 7.62

[marble flume]

doing Greased Palms on Hard S atm

[marble flume]

thats not out of the blue, thats a known fact lmao, slugs are absolute dogass

[civic fiber]

use Fall In to cancel commands

[marble flume]

the annoying thing is I don't want them behind me anyway, so I guess Fall In + Hold?

[wraith lance]

I didn't know it until now while trying different strategies for A New America

[civic fiber]

sure

[marble flume]

its like a battle rifle JHP shot, except with AP downsides. its ass

[cedar prairie]

use fall in it cancels commands

[marble flume]

my "command cancel" is bringing a wedge and locking these assholes in a room

[cedar prairie]

😭😭😭

[marble flume]

I'd have them wedge themselves in a room but I'm pretty sure they're too stupid for that

[wraith lance]

[Hold] Command works too

[cedar prairie]

i swear dude theyrr literally only smart when you go rouge

[marble flume]

it did not.

[cedar prairie]

take a look at their head cameras when youre going rouge

[marble flume]

accidentally told my SWAT AI to arrest a suspect, used the Hold command, and the dumb fuck still kept headed towards the guy

[cedar prairie]

they could literally flank you😭😭😭

[cedar prairie]

also i also hate the fact that us players cant swap with them when theyre in the stack

so youre either last man or upfront 😭

[marble flume]

correction, they aren't too stupid for that, I just have to queue the command while in the room I want them trapped in, then it works perfectly

[cedar prairie]

oh lord 😭😭😭😭

but if you dont give a command for too long theyll nag you

"hey youre senior officer" yes i know and i havent forgot its just youre too stupid to even follow my commands 😭😭😭

i ask ya to breach you just stand there unless i change the command 😭😭😭

[wraith lance]

Oh jee', now that's just cheat from the game

Enemie's bullet in A New America can pierce walls

Yours not

[marble flume]

I mean, yours probably could, AP .308 has 1200 pen

[wraith lance]

Not like theirs did

It pierces through concrete with enough power to pierce another door I was behind, and still got enough power to inflict bleed

If I inflict enough damage with my rifle through a door, it's a christmas miracle (and it's AP 7,62)

[marble flume]

"weapon bashing is effective against uncooperative suspects."

Why do the in-game tips just lie to you? Like... all of them?

[marble flume]

I think bleeding can just happen on any damage, although Ceramic armor prevents bleeding to hit areas

[wraith lance]

I bleed from limb shot, not body

[marble flume]

I'm convinced there is zero strategy involved in an S rank on Greased Palms on hard

[marble flume]

you bleed from bodyshots with steel armor equipped, dunno about kevlar but its ass

Love how you can't see a goddamn thing while a suspect is magdumping you

[wraith lance]

Nah, I'm positive about a bullet piercing through layers and landing on limbs

[wraith lance]

That is a thing too

[marble flume]

of course, suppressing fire does exactly nothing against them because they don't know what fear is

[gritty coyote]

it is effective against uncooperative suspect. Unless their bloodlust is stronger than your melee

[sudden thorn]

Honestly you should always have one magazine for your gun already in it even if you brought no extra ammo

for whatever reason that may be

[tired vine]

finally got to neon mission i hope nothing bad happen

[flint snow]

officer's last words

[nimble ravine]

Everytime I bash someone who wont get on their knees for me. Usually and typically complies. It sounds like an operator issue

[torpid onyx]

last thing you hear before bro gets wiped by a bomber hiding in the stairwell left side

[nimble ravine]

Lmfao why? Me and 1 other dude just ran it with flashes since we were sick of getting shot through a pixel across the map

[marble flume]

It works fine for civvies, its just a very bad idea on suspects. The wording literally IS about suspects though

[nimble ravine]

Suspects are definitely a tricky one but on greased palms s rank I got quite a few of them to get on their knees for me by bashing when flashes to the fucken face didn’t phase them

[fleet canyon]

Y'all the moment I beated valley of the dolls I accidentally s graded every mission up to carrier of the vines

[nimble ravine]

Bro said, “accidentally” like he just touch his control and boom s ranks

[fleet canyon]

No did it took me 1 attempt at each Level

[nimble ravine]

Based

On standard right? Or hardmode?

[unkempt granite]

how do you enable the bombs yourself on ana?

[warm slate]

Yo guys im trying to get the trophy for unlocking all officer traits which are all of them for me to look for and any strategy for it?

[wooden lintel]

click on detonator

[unkempt granite]

the handheld one? wouldn't that just shoot at it?

[wooden lintel]

if you want one of the endings, you gotta click it i think

arrest flower guy and click

but you get endings only in singleplayer

not sure if killing him will get you ending

[unkempt granite]

so i can't do programmed psychosis + bad ending in one run

makes sense

[wheat socket]

Someone can help me with the trophie the hanged man? I can get it…

[solemn patio]

Suspects are so flinchy I end up blowing their shit off for twitching after dropping the gun, like jesus just drop it dont place it gently down

[prime cove]

Quick question what’s the possibility of us getting mods on ps

[sweet fractal]

stacking

breaching breaching

[warm talon]

You can't. I wish you can though

Even though I am on Xbox, I did play ready or not on ps before I switched

[lost inlet]

close to never.

[wraith lance]

Soon you'll make the tour and go on PC

[unkempt granite]

try on quickplay, or have someone help you w it in multiplayer

[prime cove]

Dan

[sweet fractal]

hi lonely

[lost inlet]

hi.

[sweet fractal]

throws flashbang

[sweet fractal]

throws battering ram

[unkempt granite]

should i shoot the beanbag again if a suspect gets stunned but doesn't drop their gun?

[nimble ravine]

Yes

[dusty ravine]

Yell at them 2 or 3 times and if they don’t drop it shoot them again

[nimble ravine]

I being serious when I say to shoot them in the dick

[unkempt granite]

i know i should shoot center of mass but does that change anything?

[prime night]

As long as you dont hit the head then youre fine

[nimble ravine]

It does

They are more willing to comply. I typically just shoot them once and they get on their knees

[prime night]

Mine varies between 1 to 3 beanbags for them to actually comply 😭 😭

[plush sequoia]

whats the best rifle in the game rn?

[nimble ravine]

Any if you’re not mid

[plush sequoia]

use rotary bang launcher 🥹

[plush sequoia]

ah

[nimble ravine]

But I personally like the .300 blackout rifles and the 7.62x51mm ones

[prime night]

I wish i was told this sooner

I deadass just got S on all main missions

[plush sequoia]

😭

[nimble ravine]

Unfortunately I have to do real life things so I can’t play right now

[prime night]

[unkempt niche]

I got so close to solo S rank valley of the dolls

[prime night]

Valley of the dolls isnt too bad after a few tries

Relapse is the one that took me way too long

[unkempt niche]

I'm nearly done the main story for the first time but rust belt was the worse so far

[prime night]

Have you done relapse yet????

[unkempt niche]

nope thats my next one

[plush sequoia]

relapse took me 1h because i was searching for the last civi only to find out he was following me 💔

[nimble ravine]

I love valley of dolls. It’s a sweet vacation after s rank greased palms on hard mode

[prime night]

I have been playing since 10am and i finished relapse with an S about 20 minutes ago

Bearing in mind that ive played this game for MONTHS

So good luck 🙏🏼

[nimble ravine]

me when the boys have 200+ hours

[prime night]

Thats crazy 😭😭😭

[unkempt niche]

i got this game a week ago 😭 🙏

[charred axle]

why cant i play multiplayer? I just downloaded the game and both me and my buddy tried hosting servers and it keeps saying connection timed out for both of us. any help would be appreciated

[prime night]

😭😭😭😭😭

[nimble ravine]

Play enough and watch enough videos and you eventually get really good at CQB

[prime night]

Are you guys on pc or console??

[charred axle]

pc

[prime night]

Ahhh

Im on console so im afraid i would be of no use 😔

[charred axle]

okay no problem

[prime night]

Makes sense

[nimble ravine]

I’ve been waiting in my car for 2-3 hours to get a spot so I can do shit to my car

[unkempt niche]

why is swat ai so thick sometimes, i died so many times bc of them

[nimble ravine]

you gotta control em better but tbh they are kinda dumb sometimes

[prime night]

On some maps they can be golden but on bigger maps they are actually just useless

Being shot at on hide and seek from halfway across the map just for them to shoot a container in front of them

What do you mean 🙏🏼

[unkempt niche]

i think they have hearing problems from all the times i went full auto 3ft from there skulls on a civ, possibly could be why

[nimble ravine]

honestly, that would explain a lot

[tired vine]

man

[nimble ravine]

Bro gave them hearing problems

[tired vine]

neon tomb is easy as hell

[nimble ravine]

woman

[unkempt niche]

glock-18-C and a mk18 full auto is wonderfull

[quasi coral]

Ohhh fuckkk

I accidentally deleted my save data when my game crashed

[nimble ravine]

That’s really unfortunate man

[wooden lintel]

New game + man

[wooden lintel]

[quasi coral]

I am actually extremely angry right now, I am severely disappointed in myself and the game for crashing, although I pressed it too quickly which I cannot look past.

[sweet fractal]

did you know that the ANA AI are actually programmed by cia agents to turn players into insane people

[warm talon]

What mission is that for.

[prime night]

Completeing hide and seek using only a tazer, flashbangs and bash on standard or higher

[sweet fractal]

i wish we had the M4A1 and AR-15

[wheat socket]

Is the last mission but u need use only taser, flash and base

[lost inlet]

no.

[sweet fractal]

it does

[lost inlet]

no it doesn't.

[sweet fractal]

you incap instead of killing

[lost inlet]

what.

[sweet fractal]

incapacitie

fuck idk how to spell it but you basically just like make them incapacited

[lost inlet]

this is about beanbag and whether shooting the suspect in the crotch with it is more effective or not.

[sweet fractal]

like ehhh uncon but not dead

[sweet fractal]

ohhhh sry i didnt know the full context

[lost inlet]

[sweet fractal]

but i mean ig the difference is that the pelvis hurts more since theres a bone there that basically connects the body

[sweet fractal]

i forgot the name of the bone but if you shoot at the pelvis area the suspect will be paralyzed

you should only ever headshot if a suspect has a hostage

[lost inlet]

ron discussion
look inside
real life logic

[sweet fractal]

grrrrrrr

[sweet fractal]

i mean feel free to john wick every level but i like to play as a swat lead

[sweet fractal]

only in quick play tho yea public lobby players fuckin suck

[wraith lance]

There's few guns that are pretty much MADE to kill
Like the Raider

It's a pistol adapter, so you use a pistol as a primary, which means very poor armor penetration and lethal capabilities

So if you need results : you HAVE to aim for head

And since there's no sight, or you use a scope : or you go laser only, and man, you're in for killing

[lost inlet]

or buckshot.

[pliant frost]

It's basically the worst gun in the game

[unkempt granite]

for bad ending, do i have to enable the jammer?

and rush in? or does jammer disable triggering the bombs yourself

[fast blaze]

can someone explain why when i did votd i did everything and the mission ended itself yet i only got an A+?

[pliant frost]

Votd?

[unkempt granite]

either you missed an side objective/evidence, or you iklled someone

[fast blaze]

valley of the dolls

[pliant frost]

Probably missed side objective

[fast blaze]

alright, it did the same thing for uh greased palms

wish it would literally say if you missed something or not

but why would it end on its own if i didnt have everything? usually it puts a menu at my top left

[toxic flicker]

I wouldnt mind some greasy bacon

[pliant frost]

Did you have to complete the mission yourself or did it complete on its own?

[fast blaze]

on its own

and there were no like penalties

[pliant frost]

And you didn't kill anybody?

[fast blaze]

nope

[pliant frost]

Strange

[fast blaze]

i used the taser the entire time, and gave my ai team less lethals

[pliant frost]

Oooh ok

Then there is a small chance that you or your teammate killed someone

[fast blaze]

i just dont wanna do those 2 missions again but seems like i might have to

[fast blaze]

dang, alright well

ill see if i can just redo it alone

[pliant frost]

Even taser has a tiny chance to kill

[fast blaze]

seriously?

i thought you could use it endlessly 😭

[pliant frost]

Yeah, it happend to me yesterday

[fast blaze]

rip, guess im redoing those 2 then

[pliant frost]

But it's really really rare

Taser is still S+ tier weapon

[fast blaze]

well ill try to be careful then

thank you for helping

[pliant frost]

No problem buddy, have fun 💪

[marble flume]

yeah alright, so if you shoot a hostage taker with a lethal weapon the civilian just dies for some fucking reason

[pliant frost]

Overpenetration?

[toxic flicker]

Why is it when i active the detonator in new america nothing happens even tho i hear the beep

[marble flume]

I mean, I AM using a shotgun, but it has a choke on it and the first guy that took a hostage had his whole side exposed to me, and yet somehow the civ dies.

Next one wasn't much better, I was close to the suspect so I just shot the suspect in the leg and not the civilian (no blood on the civ or anything) and he just keels over dead

Actually, now that I think about it, I think I complained about this before and the response had something to do with stupid hitboxes or something

guess I'll keep a mag in a pistol so I can just shoot the guy in the forehead with it, but christ thats stupid

[warm talon]

What is bash?

Low-key idek

[lost inlet]

melee.

[warm talon]

I'm gonna be honest I never used the melee in the game. I've always either tazed them or flash them

[marble flume]

Melee actually works great on suspects that don't have a weapon out yet, a single bash with a long gun plus a yell is instant compliance

you just have to actually land the bash, but considering how often you probably bash civilians its not too tricky to get the hang of

[rocky plover]

it's good on civilians because it's silent - better than shouting

[marble flume]

Also, I was going through my "shotguns suck in cqb cause they're so long" phase

I now realize that holy shit, not all shotguns are created equal

the Supernova is clean, but that thing is like six feet long with much it collides with shit

The Mossberg 590m? I barely have any issues with collision at all

[warm talon]

Can the pepper ball kill? I was on hide n seek with mates trying to get S rank for one of them and my mate Pepper balled a person with a whole mag and he died. Everyone was full non lethal.

[marble flume]

Pepperball gun can kill... eventually. Takes a LOT of rounds though

[warm talon]

It was 6 rounds. To the body.

[marble flume]

actually, its entirely possible he wasn't dead and was just pretending he did. the Tazer can result in the same thing; it does 1 damage, so if a suspect drops "dead" after you hit him with it, he's faking

[sweet fractal]

i dont get how the pepperball works

[marble flume]

the cool part is that it doesn't

[warm talon]

Will it still go towards the S rank

[sweet fractal]

veteran suspects actually can do that

[marble flume]

Yeah, when you arrest him his dumbass will get back on his knees and you can report him again for full points

[sweet fractal]

depends where you hit them but theyll pretend to drop dead

[sweet fractal]

do it on ides of march and youll see

[marble flume]

happens on any map, just a low chance. I've had it happen on Twisted Nerve

One neat part about the veterans is that some of them are disabled in some way, and the disabled parts actually can't take any damage whatsoever

[rocky plover]

happens a lot with c2 and even taser

[sweet fractal]

ive had it happen on ides of march only really

[marble flume]

C2 is guaranteed if they're right behind the door lol

[sweet fractal]

no theyre just uncon lol

[rocky plover]

yea

[sweet fractal]

from the shockwave of the c2

[marble flume]

Nah, they ain't totally out cause they WILL get back up when you aren't looking

[rocky plover]

ye but still

[sweet fractal]

thats why i quickly restrain them

[sweet fractal]

after i check for threats i quickly go and restrain em and keep moving

[sweet fractal]

i think theyre really only stunned

[rocky raptor]

Depending on the suspect I just cap his ass

[warm talon]

Yep. I had a dude on twisted nerve pull a knife from nowhere while I was cuffing 3 other suspects

[sweet fractal]

i did the spider once and when i got to where brixley was i hit him with C2 then restrained him and he got back up

[rocky raptor]

Anyone notices that sometimes when you shot the suspects, they ragdoll or fall?

I don't remember that happening before the dlc, very neat but its rare

I mean, they're fine, not drop dead but just trip

[sweet fractal]

like when you shoot them once they ragdoll or wtv?

[warm talon]

Hm

[rocky raptor]

Yeah

[sweet fractal]

not really

[rocky raptor]

It's very rare but once its happens you'll remember it

[slender jungle]

What do you get for S ranking the new dlc maps

[rocky plover]

for s ranking a new america you get duality tattoo and flair nite watch

[rocky plover]

and that's it the other cosmetics are for a new america alternate ending and from owning the dlc

[raw wedge]

Is there a way I can tell my AI squad to cover a door or stairway? Every time I try to they just stand there

[rocky plover]

command menu, point a direction and choose cover

[pine ridge]

TH

Pls TH

[marble flume]

I'm not sure I'm getting the hype around free lean, but leaning in general is actually really good

So far I'm doing much better just hitting the normal lean around corners, with the occasional free lean to see if I can get a nasty peek here and there

[sweet fractal]

free lean helps alot

[tacit gull]

dont bother, they'll stare at the stairway and a suspect will actually just slink past them

[unkempt granite]

tbh i'd just put a wedge there

[raw wedge]

Free lean is good when you want to peak a corner or look over a wall

[nimble ravine]

Free lean is good if you wanna dodge bullets and save your ass

[hearty comet]

Just felt like I had to post this: saw someone in lfg asking for a chill session and no "cqb blah blah slop"

The game is cqb... how do you find yourself on a discord for a game and simultaneously find the CORE PREMISE of the game absurd, or sufficiently poor that it is worthy of derision?

May I never play with those people.

[storm belfry]

CQB slop? I am fucking flying in pure comical laughter at the very existence of slopaized concepts

[hearty comet]

Haha ikr!? The worst term I've heard so far is "friendslop"... as in games that are meant to be played... with friends.

Like that's a bad thing...

[marble flume]

it always feels hit-and-miss for me. Sometimes it works great, other times it doesn't work at all

You're also stationary when free leaning, so if you get into a dicey position while in it you're screwed for longer than if you were already standing and doing a normal lean

Could also be a change of tactic though; I was playing Hide and Seek, and my new tactic was just rushing the warehouse cause its honestly a lot easier than the outside part

[sweet fractal]

i think its just to get to a specific angle

[rocky plover]

just let go of the free lean key, it puts you back into cover/normal position instantly

[marble flume]

I love how if there's a knife suspect on top of you you literally can't do anything at all

[dapper reef]

Respect the 21 foot rule, I think it also lets you bash if you are that close as well

[marble flume]

Oh, actually, added correction.

If you shotgun a knife suspect in the chest, but they have armor, you die anyway because while staggered they STILL run at you and bashing does absolutely nothing.

In fact, while they're on top of you you can't even yell for compliance, so you just die

[dapper reef]

If you are having issues with the shotgun, might I introduce you to .300 blackout

[marble flume]

I now realise I wasn't even hitting the right key TO melee a mfer

[dapper reef]

yeah

[marble flume]

Actually gonna use the 7.62 AK, but yes, .300 is the meta caliber

I just wanted to rock a shotgun on stolen valor, but I'm not allowed to have fun

[dapper reef]

that said shotgun used to be awesome in the older versions, I am surprised you are having issues with it

should stagger enemies regardless of armor

[marble flume]

It does stagger enemies, the problem is knife suspects are JUST as stupid as bomb vest suspects and staggering them does almost nothing because they still right right into your face

[dapper reef]

acting like straight meth heads

I understand what you mean now though, you really have to dump into them. The semi-auto shotgun does not provide the dopamine with racking in between shots but its what I found to be best

[marble flume]

I don't use semi-auto shotguns, I almost find them akin to outright cheating

[native crystal]

Can anyone tell me how to unlock the testing dummy?

[sweet fractal]

theyre basically one shotters

[plush sequoia]

testing dummy?

[marble flume]

they're pretty borked

[prisma adder]

what utility should my team have for most missions im too lazy to change the load out every mission

[rocky plover]

1 mag primary and 1 mag secondary (gives them infinite mags)
wedges and c2, they're good with
they suck with throwables so your choice if u wanna give them or not

[native crystal]

In the headquarters

[plush sequoia]

wait, my team has infinite mags?

[plush sequoia]

oh

[rocky plover]

as long as you give them at least 1 mag/slot, yes

[prisma adder]

wait what so I just put like 1 apr mag and thats it?

[plush sequoia]

also whats the best rifle in the game, mcx or 6.5?

[rocky plover]

1 primary mag and 1 secondary mag, and the rest on wedges and c2

[rocky plover]

there's no best rifle per se, it depends on map, armor, difficulty etc...

6.5 with JHP is good for 1 shot kills on standard (without extra health modifier suspects)

[native crystal]

Yes

[rocky plover]

for hard 5.56 or .300 are better than 6.5 or 7.62

[plush sequoia]

im trying to do ironman on standart, idk what to give all my teammates

[prisma adder]

I gave all of them a sa 56

[rocky plover]

7.62 with JHP except 4 maps where there is L4 armor, for those 4 maps change their 7.62 to AP

[plush sequoia]

58?

[prisma adder]

yeah mb

[plush sequoia]

like giving a glock to a baby 😭

might be the strat though 🥹

[plush sequoia]

okay

[prisma adder]

they kinda just one tap everything icl but I could be wrong lol

[plush sequoia]

ill js do that then 🥹

[marble flume]

my go-to is the 7.62 AK for the AI

[plush sequoia]

so like, slr47?

[woeful dove]

I know ready or not isint niche but apparently it's niche enough there is no good wallpaper engine wallpapers of it

[calm carbon]

Tbh Some stuff just comes to preference sometimes

[plush sequoia]

also whats the best ai traits to have?

[calm carbon]

Any gun can work in the game
It's not like cod where there's a meta
If you don't have AP against armour you can go after hands legs or plevis or head

[plush sequoia]

so its just whatever youre good with?

[woeful dove]

Y'all wanna discuss best music levels

[calm carbon]

For me ?
Yeah

Going for the "best" can take away from the fun sometimes

[woeful dove]

I swear pepper spray used to be really good

[calm carbon]

I have the solution
It's an enhanced arresting technique called 7.62 JHP to the pelvis !

[woeful dove]

well here is the thing, pepper spray isint supposed to be as effective as a taser, once they are hit they keep trying to wipe their face so their accuracy (yes they will keep trying to shoot you) will be horrible, and for the rest of the level it'll be worse too, pepper spray just fucks them up

It won't take them down, I reccomend pepper spray/ball, then hit them with bean bag, taser or something

[calm carbon]

The lion DOES NOT care about rank
Only that he gets to shoot people while looking cool doing so

[woeful dove]

The Lion walks into a mission with no non lethal, walks out with every limb fucked, no helmet and a D score

[plush sequoia]

how do i make my teammates NOT anxious

[woeful dove]

maybe stop executing civvies like the cartel

[plush sequoia]

im only killing suspects 🥹

[woeful dove]

well that too

try to do more non lethal stuff

[plush sequoia]

idk if its rly worth it because im trying to get the dev watch

m32a1 flash launcher is better

just go full ammo on it u dont need a secondary

[distant rose]

take no equipment or secondary ammo

only flash ammo

[woeful dove]

stinger, stinger, stinger, stinger, stinger

[plush sequoia]

are swat ai good with the rotary bang launcher?

[sudden thorn]

the flash launcher is definitely the best weapon in the game but it’s so boring to use

turns the game into a point and click simulator

[plush sequoia]

yup

[proven berry]

is there a mod or anything to get commander mode multiplayer?

[sudden thorn]

I do like using the best lethal weapons though, currently running the arn-180 and five seven

Would run the mk-v but that feels like cheating too

[plush sequoia]

have u tried the 6.5 yet? its kinda insane

[sudden thorn]

Which ones that

[proven berry]

is there a mod or anything to get commander mode multiplayer?????????????

[sudden thorn]

I do like occasionally running the sa58 though

[plush sequoia]

rtwc 6.5, its a battle rifle

[plush sequoia]

no idea ngl

[sudden thorn]

I don’t like that much

[woeful dove]

i miss old hq

[plush sequoia]

ah

also do the swat ai have infinite mags on the rotary bang launcher too?

[sudden thorn]

You know what I’ll try it again now that you mention it

That recoil is low I like this already

[plush sequoia]

:D its pretty good, ngl feels a bit like the sa58 without the recoil

[sudden thorn]

I see

[frail lark]

ngl I think the only mission I don't like in this game is greased palms, it's so annoying to play and every time I try to clear it on hard all my AI teamates literally get sniped from across the map and one tapped

[woeful dove]

some guy told me the ai can't see your lasers unless it's IR lasers, which doesent make sense cause they don't have nvgs

[nimble ravine]

It’s opposite, they can see your normal lasers but definitely not IR lasers. Naked to the human eye if yah know

[plush sequoia]

arent ir lasers the things tv remotes use

[nimble ravine]

Yep

infrared

[plush sequoia]

[nimble ravine]

naked to the human eye

[woeful dove]

not an IR light though

I can see IR light's turned on

[nimble ravine]

sure, maybe when its pitch black

[woeful dove]

correct

[sudden thorn]

Wow this gun is nutty

[woeful dove]

Idk if anyone really runs light armor, doesen't seem very viable

[sudden thorn]

Two things I don’t like about it are its length and ammo count

20 bullets per mag is low but the one shot kills make up for it

[nimble ravine]

I do, just don’t get hit

[sudden thorn]

I’m confused on why anyone would run heavy, do you really need the side plate protections

[woeful dove]

yes when I'm getting shot from everywhewre

[sudden thorn]

I’ll take those two extra slots anyday

[woeful dove]

only some missions I bring

[sudden thorn]

Be more specially aware

[woeful dove]

it's a oil rig son

[sudden thorn]

don’t ever play that level then

[woeful dove]

nope

I will say though looking at the hitboxes, side armor sometimes useless but you never know the one shot that'll get you

never knew how bad mp7's catridge is until I tried using it on a perp like I used a rifle

[sudden thorn]

I’ll stick with the arn though, I like the extra 10 bullets per mag and the short length is really good

Two shots per kill isn’t that big of a deal anyway

[marble flume]

If you get shot from the side you die in three shots

[sudden thorn]

amazing

[sudden thorn]

to be fair I don’t really care about side armour as I usually just run steel front only

just face towards where I think I’ll get shot

those two extra slots from light armour are really nice I give myself one more nine bang and a lockpick gun with them

[marble flume]

If you get flanked you just insta-die though

[sudden thorn]

that’s just tough luck then

I might just run ceramic front back then

[plush sequoia]

its just way too op

it makes the game easy as hell but also boring as hell

[sudden thorn]

I cheesed pretty much every s rank with it

Got to sinuous trail and had enough after 20 attempts

[plush sequoia]

😭

for me it was relapse

[sudden thorn]

sinuous trail was really tricky for me and I have no idea why

[plush sequoia]

spent 30 mins searching for the last suspect just to find out he shot himself

[sudden thorn]

probably because I kept rushing the front entrance instead of entering around the side

I wasn’t the brightest a few months ago

[plush sequoia]

was that the mindjot thingy?

[sudden thorn]

yes

[plush sequoia]

yeah the center is like a maze, kinda stupid

[sudden thorn]

a new america was really was to s rank with the grenade launcher

[frail lark]

playing greased palms on hard difficulty is making me realize why ai overhaul mods exist

[sudden thorn]

I mean everything is but that especially

[sudden thorn]

The hardest one was probably

hunger strike I would say

Just for the absolutely insanely fast kill time

Had to run faster then I did on elephant for that

[nimble ravine]

Huh?

Overhauls?

[frail lark]

there is mods online that change how the ai in the game works

[restive cloak]

what cosmetics do i unlock from completing ides of march?

[woeful dove]

progression, the retro swat gear and I think that's it

[nimble ravine]

Like how? I’m genuinely curious

[frail lark]

not really sure it depends on the mod but some may change how AI suspects work like if they surrender or if they need to be shown less lethal force

some I think change how your ai teamates work (which they seem to act stupider than usual when I've been playing on hard difficulty)

a lot of them do a lot of random changes like civies running around randomly or stuff like that from what I understand

[rocky plover]

ye deffo

[rocky plover]

2 pacifier 2 negotiators for less lethal
1 armorer, 1 nutritionist, 2 veterans for lethal
2 negotiators, 1 armorer, 1 nutritionist also good as a hybrid
other traits are useless

[nimble ravine]

Huh, pretty interesting

[next halo]

I finally did a new america

but my entire squad died

[woeful dove]

did u survive?

[marble flume]

the hostage taker mechanic makes me want to hostage my brains with a 12 gauge

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

unless you're going for an S-Rank you can just incap him then arrest em @languid geyser

[woeful dove]

all I gotta say is

[Z] Kill me

did I just see a guy ask best traits for going lethal? have u considered just shooting everyone?

does adjusting coverage on heavy armor make u faster? or is it just choosing ur vest

[wraith lance]

Best traits for lethal : intimidator
50% for ennemy to hesitate when they see you, it's always 50% of having the first shot

[rocky plover]

does not work on alerted suspects btw, basically only works in the first few minutes if not seconds of the map - useless trait, not to mention doesn't even work on maps with suspects that start stressed such as neon tomb, relapse etc..

[rocky plover]

yes it does, because of number of plates

[keen stone]

how do i plan ironman? i see a lot of people talking abt it

[woeful dove]

so 2 plates of steel probably better than 4 ceramic then sometimes

[keen stone]

you can choose amount of plates?

[woeful dove]

front only, front back, front back + sides

[gritty coyote]

0.48 seconds is the absolute fastest you can get to full speed while moving

0.48 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Kevlar

0.56 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Ceramic

1.04 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Steel

0.48 seconds with front-only Kevlar

0.5 seconds with front-only Ceramic

0.58 seconds front-only Steel
0.75 seconds front/back Steel
1.04 seconds full coverage Steel

[rocky plover]

ceramic is very light so doesn't make much of a difference if 1 plate or 3 plates, but with steel it makes a bit of a difference because it's -18% per plate while ceramic is -5% per plate

[frail lark]

I'm guessing front back, full, front settings

[keen stone]

oh wait is it those three options on the armor section

[woeful dove]

thank u

[rocky plover]

side plates are shared so 3 max not 4

[woeful dove]

oh wtf

I was thinking to tarkov like

[wraith lance]

Yep

In deed

[gritty coyote]

the universal cure for all suspect states is two 5.56 NATO rounds

[wide scaffold]

Just saw my officer standing and yelling to get the weapon down while getting shot 10 times

Like literally standing in one position

[wide scaffold]

Or two 0.5

[native crystal]

Can anyone tell me how to unlock the testing dummy?

[south basin]

wdym by testing dummy

[wide scaffold]

Some fucker just ran into the room and one tappedme while running

So suspects can run and one tap every living being but we can't

[south basin]

sometimes theyre really cracked and dome you right in the head

[wide scaffold]

Always on hardmode