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[storm belfry]

Just run medium steel

[waxen tartan]

Right everyone has been flanked at least once

[balmy patio]

in that case sure go full ceramic but my point is that the definitive metagame is light steel front only

[gritty coyote]

but the point about bleeding is nice

[balmy patio]

however ceramic IS better on those shorter maps or maps where you know suspects are using low calibers

because then they only do 0.5 durability to ceramic

[waxen tartan]

Is there a difference between front and front in back if so I never noticed

[balmy patio]

just the speed penalties that stack with each plate you get

and obviously the fewer slots

[rocky plover]

For steel it's more noticeable but for ceramic not that much

Front only steel is faster than full ceramic though

[waxen tartan]

Not talking about heavy and light I’m talking about front vs front/back coverage

[balmy patio]

it also depends if u are running heavy or light, with light each plate that you dont have is just unarmored, however with heavy each plate that you are missing gets filed in with kevlar

[storm belfry]

I'll just stick to steel front and back

[balmy patio]

just the speed penalty on getting that plate thats bout it

[rocky plover]

Still pretty good, very slightly slower than full ceramic

[balmy patio]

however with ceramic theres literally no reason to not go full really

[storm belfry]

I never know whenever I'll get the Lieutenant Dan treatment

[balmy patio]

speed penalty is very small

[waxen tartan]

It’s a meaningful difference?

[rocky plover]

Exactly

[balmy patio]

honestly if you arent full confident to run light steel front only just do front and back

[rocky plover]

For me yeah because being faster actually saves me more than tanking shots, reason I like using stab vest sometimes as well

[balmy patio]

its rare for an enemy to be positioned to your sides without being in your FOV for the front hitbox

[gritty coyote]

no.

0.48 seconds is the absolute fastest you can get to full speed while moving

0.48 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Kevlar

0.56 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Ceramic

1.04 seconds to get to full speed with Full-Coverage Steel

0.48 seconds with front-only Kevlar

0.5 seconds with front-only Ceramic

0.58 seconds front-only Steel
0.75 seconds front/back Steel
1.04 seconds full coverage Steel

[rocky plover]

Well pretty close it's basically same speed then still makes front only steel being better

[storm belfry]

Uhhh

I'll keep using 2 plate steel cause its goated

[balmy patio]

pretty negligible for how meta front only light steel is

[rocky plover]

Exactly

[balmy patio]

you get all the slots from light plus basically as tanky as full coverage steel as long as you dont get flanked

which tbf if you are getting flanked in hard mode you are very likely dead

[rocky plover]

Yea

[balmy patio]

unless you get really lucky and the NPC decides to hit all ceramic plates and limbs only

in that case you could survive by NOT facing him so that he shoots off your side plates and back

[rocky plover]

Yeah

[balmy patio]

light steel front only is meta cuz in hard mode its about the little pop shots the suspects can land on you on each encounter which wil whittle you down pretty hard on the long missions

ceramic survives being bursted down yes but steel lasts the whole mission

and suspects with double firerate will just shred that armor instantly on the harder missions

[gritty coyote]

yeah the bleeding that allows healing is a good argument

[balmy patio]

yeah this is all just metagame hard mode shenanigans

[rocky plover]

Especially since steel was buffed and speed penalty reduced

[gritty coyote]

I don't know I will have to think about how much of a risk flanking is

[balmy patio]

ceramic is better in alot of cases on standard

for sure

and u can do just fine with ceramic on hard mode

the whole point is to not get shot like crazy either way

its just that the suspects in hard mode can roll that funny 50ms reaction time and just split your armor in two even when you prefire them

[gritty coyote]

see the bleeding that allows healing, itself is a double-edged sword
Yes, the healing will be good for long missions
but bleeding itself is a risk as well, since enemies can push, or some new guy joins the fight when you need to be stopping the bleeding

[balmy patio]

but using ceramic on those easier maps (aka low caliber or pistol maps) just gives you godmode basically since they cant even take 1 durability off a plate in a single shot

[rocky plover]

It's funny watching the paper doll go white from dark red when healing with steel xD

[rocky plover]

Especially buckshot, ceramic survives way more than steel when facing buckshot

[balmy patio]

this is why full steel coverage is not the way to go

yes you can just eat punishment all day as long as they hit some limbs to and not double dink your head

but you cant get into cover with how slow you are so you just end up taking way too many bullets

light steel front only sucked back then cuz it wasnt tied to your FOV back then so the suspects could just shoot your sides from the front

[rocky plover]

This and also damage cap was bugged

And wasn't working properly

[balmy patio]

yeah, people still dont believe that you cant get one shot in this game when there is a damage hard cap of 70 or 80 in hard mode

[grave crown]

Did they increase the morale of the suspect on hard mode? It feels like they are less likely to surrender easily than before

[balmy patio]

to i understand since the same suspects can also just roll high and double dink your head in 60ms making it basically a instakill

[balmy patio]

yes they do infact have increased morale

stuns are halved too same as other non lethal changes

their stress is also higher so not using silencers makes them pretty prone to taking hostages (this is if they are in active shooter maps, in other maps mainly professional enemies dont panic so they dont take hostages)

[vivid widget]

sounds like i should use silencers more

[grave crown]

they are making impossible to do s rank

[vivid widget]

sfmb muzzle is so good though

[waxen tartan]

I’ve always used silencers

[gritty coyote]

nah. Rotary bang launcher. S rank now is easier than ever.

[balmy patio]

its all dependant on maps, active shooter maps they will def be taking hostages

maps with professional suspects they wont

[gritty coyote]

if you have a multiplayer team, let everyone take rotary

[grave crown]

did they buff the capacity of that?

[gritty coyote]

You just bang in general room direction and win

[vivid widget]

before boiling point i was maining 416 with ranger grip and silencer before i joined this server and realized it was a terrible idea to do lol

[gritty coyote]

Just put all ammo / utility into more bangs

[balmy patio]

active shooter maps being no good deed (terrorist suspects will kill civilians for the fuck of it basically) all gods burn

generally alot of em are prone to hostage taking

professional ones being more of ANA idles of march the hotel etc

[rocky plover]

Personally I still use sfmb even on hard

[vivid widget]

well yeah it's 40% vert rec reduction

hard to beat even with my love for suppressors

i should go back to using suppressors more though, i think i can do recoil control fine for the most part
like i said before i joined this server i was using 416 with suppressor and ranger grip and didn't have too many issues with recoil

[lost inlet]

it's always 6 shots, how and why would they gives it more capacity?

[gritty coyote]

suppressor only does minimal recoil reduction

[split scroll]

Anyone got tips for the final floor in ana? Trying to get programmed psychosis for days now but i js keep dying there

[gritty coyote]

suppressor makes your weapon longer which I thought wouldn't be a problem until I played tight indoors maps

[waxen tartan]

Uhhh take it slow and easy

[vivid widget]

yeah that's the main part
the recoil i can handle, cqb is where issues arise

[gritty coyote]

in particular, usually there is a doorway and I need to lean through that

unless it's a double door, weapon length will matter

[grave crown]

It doesn’t have enough ammo to be used on large maps like hide and seek

[gritty coyote]

can you even pull doors when opening them instead of pushing

super USIA agent can't pull doors ?

[rocky plover]

Ikr hahaha

[gritty coyote]

we should not be able to survive an enemy ambushing from the obstructed side behind the door

they can just bang us through the opened door

[storm belfry]

Prefire doors before they open

[gritty coyote]

that is when the roles are reversed. When enemies open doors, that is precisely what we do

pushing doors open instead of pulling them creates a whole obstructed side

this is a terrible idea

[vivid widget]

does feel weird we can't open the doors our way

[woeful dove]

operator does a good job

[karmic shale]

if you take the stairs on the right of the second floor, block off the long haul with wedges and do the same for the door that leads to the atrium

do that for every door that leads there until you're ready for it

[rocky plover]

He means 4th floor though not 3rd

[split scroll]

one of the runs i got really lucky and barely had anyone on the 4th floor

i ran out of ammo on the third floor so decided to run for it to the ammo box, cleared 4th floor and got jumped by 4 left over guys in the 3rd floor

[karmic shale]

2nd third

im dome

[rocky plover]

[karmic shale]

crouch walk and free lean

[split scroll]

i would do that but unfortunately all my wedges were removed when my ammo refilled so had no idea where they repositioned

got sniped near the metal detector gap

[vivid widget]

i should switch to light steel front now

[waxen tartan]

I might do the same and try it out on quick play or sum

[rocky plover]

It's what I was using in our runs

[vivid widget]

right now for my lethal loadouut i use light steel front/back, 4 slots in primary, 3 in secondary, 5 flashes and taser

sould switch front/back to front only and maybe drop the taser for lockpick gun or something

[rocky plover]

Very similar to mine with the difference of 2 secondary and 6 9 bangs instead

[vivid widget]

is it better to use 9 bangs or flashes?

[rocky plover]

Personally yes because of morale damage

But need to throw them more accurate due to the lower radius effect

[vivid widget]

right yeah

[waxen tartan]

R.i.p Officer perez💀

[vivid widget]

hmm, could go for 4 primary, 2 secondary, 5 9 bangs, 1 wedge and 1 lockpick

not sure

[rocky plover]

You could as well

I have the breaching shotgun as a long tactical so don't need the lockpick gun

[vivid widget]

i should use that

but i really like mirror

even though the fps gets really choppy for some reason

[rocky plover]

Mirror is very good and technically the most op but after a while its starts to feel like cheating lol at least for me

[vivid widget]

fair

breach shotgun is also just really fun regardless

[rocky plover]

Plus with breaching shotgun I can do some very good stuff

I can disarm traps without even opening doors

[waxen tartan]

I never understood why firing officers causes stress on ur team doesn't make sense to me

[rocky plover]

I can throw bangs through the door without opening it by blowing the corner of the door on hinge side

[waxen tartan]

Lockpick is for stealth its handy sometimes

[rocky plover]

Normal lockpick is also quiet tbh, just slightly slower

[vivid widget]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[vivid widget]

could run this maybe if i were to go for breach

[rocky plover]

Yea c2 is also nice

[vivid widget]

though actually if i'm running breach c2 is a bit redundant

[rocky plover]

Depends can get some free arrests with it

If a suspect is directly behind the door

[vivid widget]

true

i'm so indecisive with this stuff lol

[rocky plover]

Could also use it as 'cover', place on door and if suspect pushes, just blow it lol

Especially on ANA where it happens alot lol

[vivid widget]

lmao true

[rocky plover]

And it's nice that you get 2 for 1 slot

Same with wedges

[vivid widget]

ye

time to go back to suppressed 416 and 5/7 like what i used to run as well

not optimal but hey it got me through iron man so

[rocky plover]

As long as you have fun and it works for you hell yea

[hallow flower]

question 9 bang vs flash bang, which one do you use often?

[lost inlet]

stinger.

[rocky plover]

9 bang, personally it's the best now

[hallow flower]

tbh, whats stinger does? and whats the purpose? incapacitate suspect?

[tidal sleet]

wait we have 9 bangs now?

[rocky plover]

Same as flash just 2m more radius but with way more downsides to it

[hallow flower]

ah i see

[rocky plover]

Yea since last update

Lol

[hallow flower]

the hell am i reading hahahaha

[tidal sleet]

God I haven’t played in like a month

[rocky plover]

I think the update dropped around a month ago as well maybe slightly more than a month I forgot exactly

[tidal sleet]

not even sure when the last time I played was

[dense coral]

just got S rank on carriers of the vine on like my 4th attempt, i was just trying to clear it for the first time lol

that whole compound is a fuckin maze tho

[rocky plover]

You get used to the layout after a while

[hallow flower]

am i correct?
9 bang, shorter range but longer stun
flash bang, shorter stun but wider range

[rocky plover]

Yes correct

Also 9 bang has the best morale damage

Cos it explodes multiple times

9bang 5m range, 10s stun 5s on hard
Flash 10m range, 8s stun 4s on hard

[hallow flower]

skill issue throwing, choose flash bang
good throw, choose 9 bang

well i think i will stay flashbang. since got skill issue

[dense coral]

btw how do i take face wear off, i have the gas mask on but i want to take it off and cant figure out how

[hallow flower]

sometimes i even miss with flash bang hahahaha

[rocky plover]

Choose helmet only or no helmet depending what you want

[hallow flower]

the 5s on hard, is it counted from first explode or the last explode? if it counted from the last explode, it might be more than 5 s since the animation to explode the whole bomb maybe 1 or 2 second

[dense coral]

oh im an idiot, i was trying to take it off in customization lol thx

[rocky plover]

No worries haha

[rocky plover]

It's when they get stunned the 5s starts

If they get stunned again by a following explosion from the same bang then the 5s starts again

[hallow flower]

wait thats unfair

if we count from the last stun, it might be 7 second stun

[rocky plover]

Basically yeah

And that's why morale damage is much better with it as well

Because if all explosions from the 9 bang hit the suspect

It's basically like 9 normal flashbangs

Lol

[hallow flower]

but you gotta get good at throwing, though, since the area is quite smoll

[rocky plover]

Yeah true

[hallow flower]

for aiming s score, its quite effective

[rocky plover]

I do like that I can throw it in the air

And it keeps exploding in a line

Can get multiple suspects that way

[hallow flower]

ah i see one issue here

9 bang cant throw too far right

since its triggered faster than flashbang

[rocky plover]

It can like the others

[lost inlet]

it explodes 9 times.

[dense coral]

i didnt know thats how the 9 bang worked with the morale

[rocky plover]

But the fuse is shorter yeah so it explodes before

[lost inlet]

you have a lot of chances for it to hit someone along the trajectory.

[hallow flower]

ah i see okok

[rocky plover]

Yea it's quite op, because it's counted for every explosion rather than 1

[hallow flower]

also skill based weapon

bad throw? useless

[rocky plover]

[dense coral]

i usually just have 1 flash on each officer for initial entries cuz i run flash launcher and have the AI run beanbags

[rocky plover]

Maybe don't use it on neon tomb and relapse though 🤣🤣🤣, it drops their morale so much that they like to kill themselves a lot

Or be ready with a taser or something else to stop them from doing that

[rocky plover]

Give the AI launchers as well so op

[dense coral]

i flash myself with it enough i dont need them flashing me too lol

[rocky plover]

Hahah true but the AoE effect with it is so op

[dense coral]

im convinced its the best weapon in the game

unless you really like popping the bad guys with an actual gun

[rocky plover]

Yea lol

[gritty coyote]

Really?

[rocky plover]

They already like doing it a lot with other less lethal, but with 9 bangs it decreases morale more

With cs gas a lot as well

[waxen tartan]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message @cloud valve shooting near their feet and melee bashing might work

[gritty coyote]

I never saw them killing themselves. Do you mean the bomb vest guys?

[rich whale]

No, they shoot themselves with pistol on head. It's mostly common on suspects that you need to arrest alive.

[waxen tartan]

I just got fucked in ironman mode but i closed app because it was so unfair😂

[sudden thorn]

I’ve never seen suspects kill themselves on neon tomb

I’ve only ever seen the fake doctors on relapse do it

[waxen tartan]

Greattttt greased palms on ironman mode might as well kms

[split scroll]

god i hate this game

i was about to get programmed psychosis when one of the suspects decided to shoot up one of the civvies

i yelled for compliance at the bottom of the spiral staircase and he was trynna wall bang me through the damn floor

[pulsar knot]

who designed greased palms

i want to find that person and tell them a lot of great things!

[remote seal]

bro I sprayed an uncooperative civ and got beeped
this is fine

[gritty coyote]

Can't be me. I just tap in chest. God will sort out whether the guy to arrest is incap or ded

[rich whale]

Its viable for armored enemies, for non-armor once, ehhh 80% death chance

[gritty coyote]

I have arrested the relapse guy with a bullet to the chest

I wonder how that is determined

[waxen tartan]

Lmao mood

[pulsar knot]

it has been 23 attempts i still havent got the s rank

[waxen tartan]

I've shot plenty of suspects and 40% of the time they have no reaction but thats the ron logic for ya 😂💀

[waxen tartan]

Still doing solo ?

[pulsar knot]

yeah

[waxen tartan]

Lol well what do u expect then but all i can say is don't give up

[pulsar knot]

i would love to do it not solo but i wanna s rank everything in commander mode

[waxen tartan]

Oh, well have you analyzed what u doing wrong or could improve?

[pulsar knot]

i found a good strat, im clearing the first small building and going into the hell zone from outside

[waxen tartan]

Well that part so far is a good strat

I got 1 suspect left on mine and he keep running so now we're playing cat and mouse with this ese

[remote seal]

are swat AI expendable

[waxen tartan]

End of the road valley of the dolls FUCKING WONDERFUL

Mission is cursed

[sweet fractal]

are humans expendable?

of course not

stupid swat ai however yes go ahead

[marsh lark]

they will loose their unlocked stats and it will void you certain achievements

[floral peak]

Ready or Not is so cool, wish SWAT was real

[stoic thistle]

Let me introduce you to Daryl Gates.

[wide scaffold]

How the fuck am i even supposed to clear mirage at sea if they kill hostagss whenever they fell like it

[waxen tartan]

It’s crazy how you stun a suspect 3 times with a stun gernade launcher and he still resists on standard bro like what the fuck

[waxen tartan]

Never had that happened to me

[wide scaffold]

They killed 3 civilians in the matter of 20 seconds

[waxen tartan]

Lmao that crazy

[wide scaffold]

Ig ima need a light armor for this mission

[waxen tartan]

Light armor rarely lets me down

[sweet fractal]

throw on ceramic to atleast ehhh get fast and some level of protection

[wide scaffold]

Steel plated is my goat i would never betray it

[ivory geyser]

You gotta get close to them for them to give up

[gritty coyote]

It's rng
Start from helipad. Beeline and arrest prince. Hope for the best but they might still execute

[rocky plover]

Every suspect can do it if morale is super low but it's more common with the terrorist type of suspect

[wide scaffold]

Elephant is sunshine and rainbows compared to mirage at sea holy shit

[gritty coyote]

Very rng

A shame because the map is gorgeous

[wide scaffold]

Void can rng my ass bro 😭

[gritty coyote]

I now think of it this way
It's just an excuse for me to play the map multiple times. Ranking doesn't matter

This is copium yes but better than caring too much

[wide scaffold]

You just have to arrest sah'id before he orders to kill civis

[gritty coyote]

Except I did that

[wide scaffold]

Then they died in crossfire

[gritty coyote]

Before even shooting anyone

[wide scaffold]

Hardmode is the worst thing to ever exist

[gritty coyote]

And henchmen still went to execute

[wide scaffold]

Because they got low moral

Any suspect can kill a civi with low moral

[gritty coyote]

Yeah nothing is guaranteed

[real marsh]

Who wanna play on ps5!

[rocky plover]

For example brixley got 40% chance of doing it
Amos has 20%
Zahir has 35%
4 guys on port has 20%
And much more....

[wide scaffold]

Atp i'm waiting for the mission to load than i am playtin the mission cuz wdym a suspect tanked 10 shots to chest with armor piercing rounds and then 3 shot me

[rocky plover]

There's a lot of suspects types that can do it, but need to bring their morale very low

[gritty coyote]

I think I know why I never saw Amos kill himself

[rocky plover]

Cos he's dead before he can do it

[gritty coyote]

Was this self killing always there since the start of RON?

[rocky plover]

Idk when it was implemented but it's been there for a very long time because I had it happen way before 1.0 as well

Once on relapse I was on 3rd floor, I threw gas at a suspect, it glitched and fell through the map, ended up in the basement, then by the time I reached the basement, I found the gas canister and a dead suspect near it 😂

[gritty coyote]

Doesn't make too much sense to me

[rocky plover]

So its been there for a while, but the chance that it happens might have been changed with updates

I think brixley is a good example, I feel like he used to do it waaaay much more before

Now personally it feels a bit rare

[gritty coyote]

If they know SWAT is trying to spare their life and that they have been fighting for their life why would they merc themselves

[rocky plover]

So they don't get arrested

[wide scaffold]

I got mirage at sea on A+ holy shit tht was painful

I'm still cruious how did i get a+ if i gone full lethal no fucks given

[rocky plover]

Arrested a couple suspects pretty much and collected everything

[wide scaffold]

Why is all mods tab empty

[wide scaffold]

I guess

Sometimes this game confuses me

Ok i just tried and a leviathan suspect tanked 9 g 18-c shots

Very realistic

3 of my teammates are dead, igt half a mag of AR ammo, one quarter mag of glock, one half a mag of glock and one full mag of glock

I am not sure what am i supposed to do

[distant rose]

is it just me or the 1x zoom on the SDR 1-4x seems zoomed out compared to normal vision, other sights and other holo sights like the ATAK-R 1x12?

[wide scaffold]

Yes it is zoomed out

[distant rose]

how come?

[wide scaffold]

Ion know mate

[distant rose]

also i could swear that the base zoom is different for different guns

[sly grail]

afaik the ATAK-R 1x is slightly zoomed in

unless you're talking about the holographic on top of it

[distant rose]

it seems to actually be 1x

[gritty pike]

Yeah it makes more sense for the ex USIA suspects to do it because they know might end up being brainwashed or even for quadamah since he’s the leader of a terrorist cell but not as much for gunrunners or spiders members.

[distant rose]

nah

[sly grail]

really? the red dot sights on the top of the gun and my pistol all seem like, not as magnified as the scope on 1x

[waxen tartan]

My ai teammates were less than like 15 meters away from there and stunned 3 times don't give me cornball logic

[distant rose]

for me the scope 1x and the holo on top seem the same

[sly grail]

naybe it's an fov thing, since i play on 120

[remote seal]

how to get more AI like shown in that clip

[gritty coyote]

restart

leviathan right? that map starts out easy but then you realize the suspects can run to any rooms on the same level so the level is never truly clear

[distant rose]

maybe. i have default fov, whatever it is

[gritty coyote]

wedge the center room

[wide scaffold]

Yes

[remote seal]

can I pick up wedges

[gritty coyote]

you can

[remote seal]

what if I carry like 10 and then just wedge everything behind me

[waxen tartan]

Lmao why would u waste ur time with that

[remote seal]

I got squad wiped because of some guys behind our squad

[late ledge]

do you PC players use DLSS for this game or nah

[gritty coyote]

Dlss is pretty good

Have not touched graphic settings for a while

[rocky plover]

I use DLAA, it's pretty good for me, doesn't lower graphics like the other options and keeps optics very clear

[winter sphinx]

Can I get a definition for True Solo mode .

Is it no armor and just taser?

[wide scaffold]

I use dlss frame generation and play on epic settings barely experience any visual artifacts

[rocky plover]

Solo without other players or swat Ai
The no armor and other stuff is just extra stuff to make it harder

[marsh lark]

DLAA is supposed to improve image quality rather than lowering it by the way.

It replaces standard Anti Aliasing with a better one made by Nvidia. Sure it costs some performance but it delivers better quality.

[rocky plover]

Yeah thats why I prefer it over the other dlss options

And it still gives good fps

[marsh lark]

Because DLSS is not blindly "performance upgrade". Some options are made to increase performance by sacrificing way less image quality than you would normally have to via settings. But it also works as a tool to improve the quality past basic graphical settings the game offers.

[rocky plover]

Yeah combined with frame gen though I think they pair well

[marsh lark]

Which will in turn cost you some performance.

Yeah.

The only issue with FG is the input delay it can impose, though that input delay mimics your actual framerate. And of course the ghosting it can create. If and when those issues are remedied, it will work out great.

[rocky plover]

Yea true but for a pve game that's barely an issue tbh

If it were PvP yea sure

[marsh lark]

Though with the way people act when it comes to AI technology, everyone throws anything AI related into a bag of shit. But there is a difference between a company created AI technology for hardware for their consumers and companies creating generative AI models, or specific models period that screw over people IRL

Nvidia and AMD creating FSR/DLSS, FG and so on uses AI, but it does not cost anyone anything. It is merely a feature created for consumers of said product that improves their experience.

[rocky plover]

Yeah I get what you mean, we had this conversation multiple times a while ago haha and I agree with the majority of what you mean by it

It's just that sometimes people rely on AI and these types of technology too much and use it as an excuse not to optimise their game (speaking in general), and that's why AI gets so much hate sometimes

[warm kernel]

So i found a keycard on A New America what's it for?

[rocky plover]

Use it on pc terminal, and it unlocks metal doors

Switching off power also does that but it also disables fire alarm and cameras

[warm kernel]

Ok

Thank you

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[gritty coyote]

Dlss is good but frame gen is not so good

Latency issues and more artifacts

[tight quest]

what guns would y'all recommend

[rocky plover]

g36C, sr16, f90, MCX for 5.56
Arn180 for .300 blackout
Rwtc 6.5 is also pretty good on standard with JHP
Ga51 or g3a3 for 7.62
MPX pretty good for 9mm smgs, mp7 if you want something stronger calibre wise
Shotguns are very op, I like the 590m for the mag fed reload, b1301 or m1014 if you want better fire rate shotgun, buckshot is better than slugs imo

[tight quest]

aight, thanks g

imma save this

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[distant rose]

imo the gun you use doesn't matter that much. tactics, aim and how you play matter more

(as long as you're not using 9mm against armour)

[tight quest]

yeah lol, but there's also a difference with recoils or fire rate

ammo type matters too I believe

[distant rose]

this is pretty much all that matters

i mean in terms of assault and battle rifles, they're all mostly pretty much as good as each other

same with shotguns

the only real big differences in performance are within SMG/PDW's, pistols and non lethal stuff imo

[tight quest]

which pistol would be the best one then

[distant rose]

depends

against armour, Five Seven

against unarmoured, anything other than the 1911's

and if you don't care about recoil, the MKV for both

[rocky plover]

Against armor MkV and 5.7

[distant rose]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?pli=1&gid=1878248973#gid=1878248973

This is also pretty useful

[warm kernel]

Holy shit why do the suspects in a new america do so much damage

[rocky plover]

They mostly got FAL's which are 7.62 (strongest calibre) while some got M16's too

[warm kernel]

TOC UNARMORED SUSPECT TOOK 5 CLOSE RANGE SHOTGUN SHELLS BEFORE DYING

[distant rose]

they all got rifles and very good aim

[distant rose]

yeah, shotguns can't effectively penetrate L4 armour

[real marsh]

Hello im seaching for pepole ps5 for mission “hide and seak” to hit tier B,I think that im pretty good

[solemn patio]

Imagine a california compliant suspect ar with the ugly ass fingrip, or the mag lock, I wanna see them split their upper and lower to reload or fumble with their shitty ass grip.

[urban mural]

Is there a way to remove the foggy view in settings?

[sly grail]

afaik nothing really penetrates L4 armor, like not even AP 7.62, i've had to shoot the Port Hokan guys like 20 times with the SLR47 before they hit the ground and even then it's only Incapacitated

[distant rose]

for me (normal difficulty) i can normally kill the ANA guys with 1 burst of 5.56 full auto

idk how many bullets

but the bursts aren't very big when i hit the target

[sly grail]

what gun are you using specifically? fire rates can differ

i know the LVAR doesn't really matter how long you hold it, even for like half a second you dump a quarter of your mag

[sand abyss]

it really amazes me how easy the swat AI can just..drop dead

[remote seal]

Delta just died carrying a CS MGL and a mirror, guess I have to use "civil asset forfeiture" to get back the money

[wooden lintel]

Aim for head or limbs

[warm kernel]

... He didn't have armor

[torpid onyx]

suspects visual appearance doesn't correlate with armour level

hense how the cult girls with their dresses are l3 armour

[distant rose]

M4A1

[warm kernel]

Well damn

Either way it feels weird considering everyone else went down with one shell from farther away

[sly grail]

yea for some reason they always have concealed plate carriers

[torpid onyx]

the slr is 7.62x39 very different from 7.62x51 (308)

it's essentially the equivalent of 300blk

[sly grail]

oh they aren't the same 7.62?

[torpid onyx]

not at all

[sly grail]

damn, it just says 7.62 ingame

[warm kernel]

I've been using the new br and haven't found many issues with it

[torpid onyx]

no it says 7.62x39

[sly grail]

damn

[warm kernel]

I'm still deciding on weather to use mirror or shield for hard solo on ANA

[distant rose]

mirror

imo

[torpid onyx]

it won't embed but if you click it it's a comparison of x39 to x51 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911650483079356488/1499419200371036170/images157.jpg?ex=69f4ba73&is=69f368f3&hm=6584321a625bb00b4637bd6a222cec61ba5905cd54a872066399426391d87248&

and then 300blk (7.62x35) vs 7.62x39
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911650483079356488/1499419729260183644/images158.jpg?ex=69f4baf1&is=69f36971&hm=27d682b4887ef7af92112691575c7a90e743e411437a7cc55b28ced2e296dedc&

[warm kernel]

So what hits harder?

[torpid onyx]

7.62x51>7.62x39=7.62x35>5.56x35

and 6.5 would fit between x51 and x39/35 though I don't know the exact data

[urban mural]

You mean Mk18 not M4A1, cuz there is no M4A1 in game.

[distant rose]

there is 2 M4A1's in the game, just not in the selection menu

they got removed from the menu a while back but they're still in the game files

[distant rose]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?pli=1&gid=497056443#gid=497056443

This has all the info you'd ever need in terms of stats

[sudden thorn]

That’s interesting

I think I remember trying to s rank hide and seek and finding someone dead and being really confused

Or they were shot by a friendly on their side by accident I don’t really know

[sudden thorn]

Imagine if the flower man in ANA could kill himself that would be rough

[warm talon]

Took me 30 minutes to get to the court room on hard then I was stupid enough to forget the jammer and the flower man blew the buildings up. Wish I remembered the jammer.

[sudden thorn]

Yeah that level is rough I wish they gave you more hints in the level to not immediately activate the jammer but tell you around when you should

For a first playthrough

If I didn’t already see gameplay I would’ve ran into that room like an idiot

[warm talon]

Yeah that was my mistake when I tried it for first time. Ngl I didn't even mean to activate it. I was trying to order my team to cover me.

[slow jungle]

Outside of a personal preference is there any reason to use something other than a shotty with slugs?

Same with using anything outside of a Light Armor Front/Back Ceramic

Idk if I've just found my groove in the game but it feels like alot of the options in the game are basically flavor text purely for the vibe of said thing

Like with the guns I feel like there's prolly some nuance I'm missing out on as to why so many people use the more intermediate calibers but with the armor I feel like the lack of speed gets me shafted more than being able to tank an extra hit or two

[dusty ravine]

Some missions suspects have level 4 armor and will take 4 slugs to kill

[slow jungle]

Ahh ok, what about stuff like the G3A3 tho? Wouldn't that still be better than an M4?

[dusty ravine]

It’s a balance between capacity and recoil vs damage

I prefer the higher calibers (my favorite gun is the g3 actually) but there is merit to being able to full auto without going to the ceiling, as well as just more bullets

Battle rifles will 1-2 shot suspects while the intermediate calibers will 2 shot usually

[slow jungle]

Ohh ok so the big calibers only save you a bullet or two so then it just is about handling?

[dusty ravine]

Recoil, handling, and length mainly

Although length only ever gets me in the crackhouse mission

[slow jungle]

Yea I was gonna say I've only ever noticed Length was an issue a handful of times, usually not related to the map and just my spacial awareness being bad when trying to aim and move around a corner

[balmy iron]

guys if i do a mission with a player will it still count as a mission complete? or do i gta do it myself?

[dusty ravine]

It still counts even if you’re not the host

[slow jungle]

Now what about for Bots? Been doing the campaign and haven't really been to sure what to give em since idk if what they have really matters, tbh part of me has been thinking of just giving them all non-lethal just for the extra points

[balmy iron]

ohh ok were can i find people to play with i need to do new america with someone

[dusty ravine]

I usually give them battle rifles, or launchers if I’m going non lethal

They don’t suffer from recoil and have infinite ammo

[dusty ravine]

Go to #🔎looking-for-players

[balmy iron]

ty

[dusty ravine]

Np ❤️

[slow jungle]

Yea I thought they didn't suffer from recoil. Hows their accuracy? If it's as botty as I assume is nothing but Full Powered a safe bet?

Otherwise I'd be concerned about them accidentally blasting a civvie

[dusty ravine]

I’ve never seen them blast a civvie but I’ve only played through every base mission to completion once with bots

On missions like all gods burn I can’t vouch for their trigger discipline

[slow jungle]

That's DLC right? Atm I don't have that, just doing the main campaign before deciding on any DLC

[dusty ravine]

Yeah that’s DLC, in that case you should be good

[true saddle]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message ue5 update really seemed pointless

[rocky plover]

Lmao

[reef path]

I have a curious question, has anyone ever tried S Rank with lethal weapons? Ik for that you need to avoid killing anyone but I just wonder if its possible to do it with lethal weapons?

[dusty ravine]

You need to arrest everyone, incapacitations don’t count as normal arrests

So kneecapping every suspect doesn’t work

[torn vector]

Yes you have to catch them of guard or use flashbangs to get them surrender

But it would probably end up wirh you restarting the lvl 100 times for the perfect layout

Also maps with 10+ enemies would probably take up to 300 attemtps. Main problem is that if they know ur there, its already over

[true saddle]

would be a little bit easier if you just rely on m203

[torn vector]

So in theory yes, but practically no

Or just download we dont negotiate with terrorist and you’ll get s even if you killed them but it doesnt count as an official rating

[bitter mason]

official rating really doesnt mean squat

[glass heart]

You still get the achievement fyi

It just doesnt save in the ui

Thats it

[torn vector]

Yep it does give you achievement but i dont like saying it out loud

[glass heart]

?

[torn vector]

Its straight up cheating for the achievement. I like seeing people struggle

[glass heart]

The achievement is only worth the effort to get it, if someone cheeses it thats just their achievement being worthless

[torn vector]

Maybe but it does interfere with % of players who did it right. But ur 100% right its completely up to them

[floral peak]

Whoever designed Hard diff AI for ANA should be in hell

[inland kelp]

they need bigger caliber guns like maybe .50 BMG, would be fun executing civilia- i mean very hostile creatures from point blank with hollow point

[storm belfry]

They came from hell</3

[urban mural]

They won't care about a cvvie if taken hostage, they will shoot right through the hostage to get the suspect down.

[distant rose]

AI have infinite ammo?

[floral peak]

yes

[dusty ravine]

Yuppers

[distant rose]

damn

so there's literally no reason to not give them heavy armour ig

[distant rose]

does this apply to equipment as well (like wedges)?

[floral peak]

nope

[dusty ravine]

No

[distant rose]

ok

[balmy patio]

they cant heal unlike us so there very much is a reason to give them full coverage steel

they dont have survival instincts so they wont be bothered by the slow steel on getting into cover

[hoary fox]

i`ve noticed one thing. when i am alive the swat can kick ass easily
the moment i die? half of them is dead within next 5 seconds

[dusty ravine]

Suspects probably target the player first usually, assuming you have the team following behind you

So you end up taking shots first in most engagements

Also the bots don’t have you taking care of the enemies quickly so the suspects are firing for longer

[hoary fox]

that might not be entirely true, lots of times i sent them alone to rooms and shit, heard them taking fire (rarely they got hurt), even when i enter with them the suspects don`t prioritze me

[dusty ravine]

In that case I don’t have a good explanation for you

[hoary fox]

Judge is just a father of D-Platoon. Father be die, the sons die too

[final ember]

damn, they're killing hostages in Hunger Strike now?

they turned it into another timed hostage situation

[hoary fox]

i noticed that today, i entered the restaurant, barely got to the kitchen... one civ died, after a while second civ died
i thought it was bc of AI mod

[hazy granite]

It's bullshit

[final ember]

the mission was too easy I suppose
the map is small enough where it doesn't get too frustrating

but still a shame that I can't put much thought into my breaching tactics anymore...

[gritty coyote]

isn't that the whole difficulty of the map

[final ember]

it wasn't always like this

it got the same script as Mirage at Sea and No Good Deed now

where suspects start targeting civilians a while after shots have been fired

although in this one it might be shorter given the size of the map

[hoary fox]

hold up, wasn`t the civ situation in MaS about if you do something to that HVT or just disable the alarm?

[gritty coyote]

it's not guaranteed. I beelined and arrested the stupid prince right away but the henchmen still executed hostages.

the prince is a factor but not fully

[final ember]

nope, suspects will target civs around 2 minutes after shots have been fired
only way to stop them is to neutralize the main suspect

[hoary fox]

that`s the point, do not get the HVT first i think

[final ember]

the fuck? dont tell me they changed that as well

[gritty coyote]

what ? do not get the prince first?

[hoary fox]

i played MaS today, took it slow with swat, cleared the rooms with commands and shit
not even one civ was killed (i died before i got the HVT tho)

[gritty coyote]

howww

[final ember]

...okay so they made it easier?

this time around

[gritty coyote]

how does no civilian die ?

are you just quiet as hell

[hoary fox]

my swat has suppesors, i ran mini G3 with just a brake

[gritty coyote]

is that hard mode ? no mods ?

[hoary fox]

there`s a new AI mod that makes bots more tactical and aggresive, i used that (with that mod, the AI killed civs in Hunger Strike)

[final ember]

well you couldve mentioned that dude LMAO

[hoary fox]

but ey, they still killed civs in that hunger strike so maybe that doesn`t affect the scripts

[gritty coyote]

yeah well with mods I have no diea

[final ember]

seems to have affected Mirage though

[hoary fox]

give me 10 minutes, i will do MaS without that mod just to confirm

[final ember]

anyway, unless they changed it in some shadow update and no mods are installed

suspects will start killing civs after the first shot has been fired
only way to stop that from happening is to take out the prince, so no tactical shit and just sweep the main corridors until you find him

[final ember]

are you sure about this? when did this happen to you

because it always depended entirely on the Prince and whether he's been neutralized or not

[rocky plover]

Might have been he had already given the order to kills civs by the time he got him

[gritty coyote]

I noticed that if I kill the prince, global kill command is stopped, but henchmen can still get spooked and individually kill hostages
but when I arrested the prince, it's possible that the jerk gave the kill command while interacting with me

[final ember]

might be...but my impression was always that the script is cancelled as long as he wasn't still standing

[gritty coyote]

is this Hard mode ?

[final ember]

I did it on Hard yes

[final ember]

do you mean the standard 'grab hostage' feature?

[rocky plover]

Unless they killed civs by taking them hostage which is entirely different

[gritty coyote]

yeah that is what I think doesn't require the prince's command

[final ember]

indeed it doesnt

grabbing hostages appears in most other missions

it's standard suspect AI

[gritty coyote]

but when I arrest the prince, I saw henchmen start executing many civilians far from where I am

[final ember]

while holding them?

[gritty coyote]

so I theorize that he could give the kill command randomly during interaction

In that arrest scenario, I had never encountered or touched any other enemy other than the prince

[gritty coyote]

I don't even see the henchmen or the hostage

[final ember]

could be that they were holding a hostage and got spooked for no reason

sometimes they do just blow their brains out which I think happened unfairly

guess I made the right decision ''arresting'' the prince by putting two in his belly, lol

cool thing is he's still alive so I get the full points

[wraith lance]

Welp fellas, I guess they "fixed" gaz, but seems also it didn't make it viable

[gritty coyote]

yes incap or killing the prince seems to be the surest method

[sullen violet]

Can suspects trick you playing dead?

[rocky plover]

Ye

[hoary fox]

I`m back! Time 14:52 (caught HVT around 12:00), no civ has been killed

[rocky plover]

That's weird cos it's 2m on hard and 3m on standard before they start killing civs unless you arrest hvt

[hoary fox]

well idk anymore, did that on hard mode

[hearty summit]

Looking for general opinions on AP Ammo versus JHP Ammo. Is it better to simply run AP Ammo on everything or are there situations where JHP might be preferred? Supposedly, some people opt for JHP Ammo on their sidearms while keeping AP Ammo on their primary? What do you all think?

[hoary fox]

I mostly use AP (too lazy to switch to JHP on maps that have unarmored suspects), but i also think they make a difference of 1 or 2 bullets to the torso (depending on caliber)

[rocky plover]

Depends on caliber, because for example 5.56 JHP only penetrates up to L2 armor, but any other rifle calibre with JHP penetrates up to L3 armor which is the most common type of armor for suspect, very few maps have L4 armor which in that case it requires AP irreverent of the calibre

[hoary fox]

what about the enviroment? doors, wood, walls etc

[hearty summit]

Frankly, I rarely try to shoot through cover because it rarely ever works and wastes ammo...I'm not sure if that matters.

[rocky plover]

As for most calibre for sidearms, both AP and JHP will struggle against L3 armor unless you're talking about 5-7 or mkv

[rocky plover]

Yea same

I just have different presets saved with different types of ammo calibres and ammo types and id pick one depending on the mission

And depends on difficulty as well

[hearty summit]

Some youtube videos suggest that JHP may be preferred for lower caliber weapons such as the MP7...Or some say the F90, anything with a higher rate of fire.

[rocky plover]

With mp7 and p90, with JHP it's only good for up to L2 while with AP it's good for up to L3

You can still kill L3 with JHP but it would take way more shots

[thorny torrent]

I thought MP7 was good against heavy armor

[rocky plover]

If using AP it defeats L3 yeah but will struggle against L4

[hoary fox]

btw, what do you guys think of 6,5mm Creedmoor?

[rocky plover]

L4 just needs rifle round with AP or buckshot and hit limbs

[wraith lance]

Actual question, for Commander mode : is there a distinction between killing and incapacitate ?

[rocky plover]

I only use it on standard with JHP for up to L3 armor

[hearty summit]

I love that rifle, it is my favorite. I tend to run it with AP rounds and it'll drop armored suspects in one to two shots.

I pair it with the 45USP

[rocky plover]

Ap needs 2 shot, JHP needs 1 shot on standard for up to L3

For enemies without extra health modifier

[hoary fox]

idk why but USP imo has quite big recoil

i found out that i like the switch glock and that other new handgun

[rocky plover]

The .45acp pistols have actually less vertical recoil than the 9mm handguns apart from the 509 and probably the 2 new pistols

[thorny torrent]

I am gonna be honest I don't how to tell which guys have. LV Plates. I games

[rocky plover]

Yeah true, there's a spreadsheet explaining all this and then you'll just get used to it

[hoary fox]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?pli=1&gid=700315143#gid=700315143

this one i think, posted on reddit 2 years ago

[rocky plover]

Yep that's it

[hoary fox]

fuck, i just noticed this guy added "boiling point changes"
i need to read that

[rocky plover]

It gets updated quite frequently especially after big updates

[hoary fox]

btw what can you do when suspect with a knife starts stabbing you? and punches don`t do shit
do i just accept my fate? with embarrassment

[rocky plover]

I mean if you're in the point of already being stabbed, you're kinda already dead unless you manage to shoot him with your sidearm or something, but it's quite hard to do if your weapons gets compressed due to the suspect being too close to you

You have to act before, while the suspect is moving towards you

[hoary fox]

the moment i see a guy with a knife or a knife on his hip i lose all trigger discipline
i make sure that fucker is dead

[rocky plover]

I usually pull out my taser for those lol

Quite easy to get

[regal tundra]

One time on methhouse I heard my coop teammates get wiped by a knife woman

[rocky plover]

[regal tundra]

Just heard over the radio “drop the knife” repeatedly then silence

[rocky plover]

[hoary fox]

can we change the launchers into underbarrel? pretty please? PRETTY FUCKING PLEASE?

[rocky plover]

Lol, they're already pretty op as they are

[hoary fox]

i never use them (mirror my beloved)

[regal tundra]

Underbarrel M32A1 when

[rocky plover]

Under barrel buckshot when

[regal tundra]

Underbarrel battering ram

[hoary fox]

underbarrel 40mm lethal when?

[rocky plover]

Lmao

[regal tundra]

Hahaha

[hearty summit]

Underbarrel Taser

[regal tundra]

Underbarrel .50 AE

[rocky plover]

Hahahah

[hoary fox]

make it a shotgun (shooting more taser projectiles)

[rocky plover]

Shits gonna make the red dot fall off the rails

[hoary fox]

underbarrel Rh120L44 (leopard 2 tank gun)

[regal tundra]

(It’s the taser for Amos Voll)

[rocky plover]

😂

[regal tundra]

Taser for Brixley, Voll and the Port Gimp

[wraith lance]

I have a taser with your name carved on the darts

[hoary fox]

nahhhhh
CBT underbarrel

[wraith lance]

(CBT ?)

[proper tulip]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

does anyone know what hud mod is being used to generate a floating context menu like this?

[glass heart]

cognitive behavioral therapy obviously

[regal tundra]

From wikipedia

[hoary fox]

do not mistake with a cock & ball torture

[rocky plover]

Not sure if that is VR mod or some kind of body cam mod ngl

[wraith lance]

Looks like VR mod

[proper tulip]

that might be a good place for me to start looking, ive been scrolling through nexus mods lol

[hoary fox]

btw, any tips for ANA (A New America)?

tbh idk jack shit about this map except:

• some random keycards
• motion detectors
• DO NOT INTERACT WITH DETONATOR

[misty edge]

Free lean

[misty edge]

You can also rewire the security cameras so you can have access to them while clearing

[bitter mason]

use nvgs to see motion detectors
Make sure each floor is clear before moving on
theres an ammo box on the top floor by the stairs to refill your loadout if you need it

[misty edge]

And also you can turn the power off to gain access to those doors without having to get the keycard

[misty edge]

Nice tips

[sly grail]

there's a radio device (triggers dialogue when you see it) and don't touch it until you get to the court room

[misty edge]

Yeah, find the signal jammer then go clear everything except the final courtroom, go back to jammer, use, clear final room

[hoary fox]

let me guess, triggers a.... a.... FUCK
need a word, countdown, right?

[bitter mason]

yeah get to the doors of the court room first, just be careful if the doors are open. Only enter that court room when you've used the jamming device

[dusty ravine]

I cannot stress this enough DON’T use shotgun slugs it’s like a 4 shot kill on the MLO soldiers

[misty edge]

[sly grail]

yea, 3 minutes or city go boom

[hoary fox]

pardon me, jack daniels, mango loco monster (my store was out of white one) and leftover pizza are fighting inside me

[misty edge]

😭

[hoary fox]

nah, don`t cry, i feel great

[proper tulip]

oh duh, the prompts literally say "vive" on them

[regal tundra]

definitely run the map hammered

[hoary fox]

btw, to any of you... download the Postal Dude TOC
not advertising,,, but it`s great

[hoary fox]

plus with mod that makes enemy AI harder

[regal tundra]

supermeth for AI mod

[hoary fox]

hammered polish man vs methed-up AI suspects

[regal tundra]

drunk pole gets breached and cleared by frogmen

[hoary fox]

sadly i drank jack and not vodka, i get actual debuffs

[proper tulip]

PCP for crackhead suspects, they take 80% reduced damage

[hoary fox]

oh i need to try out that drum-mag FN Fal mod i just downloaded

[proper tulip]

why would you harness such a thing

[inland kelp]

25 hours and i still havent gotten the magician achievement, is that bad? do i put too many rounds through everyone?

[hoary fox]

i harnessed MG338 before

....

please, i need a MG3

[inland kelp]

i need a MG42 for very legal things in this game

[hoary fox]

nah, nah

MG3

[hearty summit]

MG338 with the Requiem.

[hoary fox]

for the sake of leopard 2 tanks and 7,62x51

[inland kelp]

i need a RPG-7 mod for ready or not

[hoary fox]

does the mg 338 still wodk tho?

[hearty summit]

It did when I modded it.

[inland kelp]

i want to absolutely atomize the heads of the guys trying to shoot me

[hoary fox]

my sweet, summer child
an innocetn child
shit like this happens eventually

[inland kelp]

what is the mod called?

[woeful dove]

I think the glock 19 should be replaced by a 17 or a 21

[inland kelp]

i dont think its gonna happen if i keep dumping like half a mag from my P90 with AP rounds or my M14 with JHP

[hearty summit]

MG338 (Its on Nexus, its literally just the name of the gun.)

[hoary fox]

i want a MSBS Grot and FB Beryl so baaaaad...😩
imagine having Grom outfits but no actual polish gun

[hoary fox]

THIS SHIT STILL WORKS???

[inland kelp]

i need a MG42 so i can dump like 20 rounds a second through guys with(out) guns

[hoary fox]

1500 rpm....
1500/60.... 25

[inland kelp]

i thought it was 1200 rpm lol

anyway close enough

[hoary fox]

MG3 is 1200

[regal tundra]

Underbarrel M240B

[hoary fox]

fuck the MG5 tho, that shit ain`t a MG

[inland kelp]

hear me out: M2 browning but it has ZERO recoil, a infinite mag and 2k rpm fire rate. that would be INSANE(ly funny)

[hoary fox]

that is a wet dream

[inland kelp]

just imagine not having AI teammates and just being able to spin around a couple times and everyone on that floor is dead

you can actually explore the maps peacefully

anyway buh byeeeee

[green arrow]

[hoary fox]

HOLY SHTI THE DRUM MAG FN FAL CAN PUNCH PPL INTO THE FLOOR

LOVE IT

[green arrow]

Arent there a few gun mods that let you just knock people down

[hoary fox]

before i`ve only known the MG338 can do that

[green arrow]

Kriss vector can do that too if im not wrong

[woeful dove]

USP and MKV are the only worthy vanilla pistols, change my mind

[hoary fox]

s2011-p

[storm belfry]

M1911

Been using that one since the release back in 1912

[late ledge]

And how’s ur fps with that?

[rocky plover]

Capped to my monitor 175, probably would have more if not capped

[late ledge]

damn son what are ur specs

[rocky plover]

7800x3d, 4080 super, 32gb ddr5 6000mt/s cl30 on 3440x1440

[rocky plover]

I mean game doesn't need much, used to run it well on 1060 6gb with the occasional spikes on certain maps

[woeful dove]

We don't have that.

The m45a1 is a bastard child replacement

(unless its tacblack and made by kim)

[storm belfry]

and I love it still

[woeful dove]

I wish this mod is updated https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/314

It's so good looking...

[storm belfry]

[late ledge]

hmmm I seee. I have a 9800x3d and 5070 ti and on epic settings without DLSS or DLAA I do get high frames but some drops

it can go from average 170+ to 100-110

[woeful dove]

💔 waiting for all the modders to update their awesome retextures

[late ledge]

both are high frames but I can still feel the drop

[rocky plover]

Better than mine should get way more then

Are you on dx11 or 12?

[late ledge]

I’m dx12

[woeful dove]

who uses dx11 anymore

[rocky plover]

People on old hardware

[late ledge]

Do you notice ur frames also dropping in certain areas?

[rocky plover]

I used to use dx11 on 1060 6gb

[late ledge]

Dx11 is better for people with older hardware

[woeful dove]

I wonder if a 680ti could run this game on dx11

[woeful dove]

holy, does it run/look good

[rocky plover]

Sometimes yes, especially during big firefights

[coarse osprey]

actually the 4080 super is just slightly better than 5070ti

depends on game though

[rocky plover]

Yep everything maxed had around 50fps except on votd I could barely run that lol

[woeful dove]

I use a 2080ti

[late ledge]

mmmm I see. Like for example when I’m in the pc room for 23 megabytes a sec map my fps drops the most

[woeful dove]

must be from all the pip shit

[rocky plover]

It's the opposite afaik

[late ledge]

true that true that

[rocky plover]

4% better for 5070ti?

[coarse osprey]

something along that 2-5%

[late ledge]

4080 super has more raw power than the 5070 ti

[rocky plover]

Ah I see

[late ledge]

but 50 series has more features I think

[rocky plover]

Yea

[coarse osprey]

i remember because i wanted to upgrade and decided not to, staying with my 4070 super

[late ledge]

the room doesn’t even have anything impressive for my fps to drop like that tbh, but I suppose so

the 4070 super is a great card

they were supposed to drop the super series for the 50 series this year but it got delayed

[woeful dove]

streamer level when walking around doing nothing 👍
Streamer level 1 pixel towards gamer setup 💔

[coarse osprey]

ram prices causing vram prices to increase probably

[rocky plover]

Most likely lol

[late ledge]

Exactly that

[rocky plover]

Good thing I upgraded around 2 years ago lol

[late ledge]

They cut production rn as well

[rocky plover]

After 8 years with the same build lol

[sweet fractal]

i lowkey would love the as val mod to be updated

[woeful dove]

real

[river cobalt]

Anyone know if it would be possible to add mod support for console? Like without any Copy Right Stuff.

[hearty summit]

Referring back to the question of JHP or AP ammo, I did a little testing and I think lower caliber weapons with higher rates of fire as well as some pistols benefit more from having JHP instead of AP Ammo. Pretty much any rifle using 5.56 should be AP, but thinks like the MP9, the MP7, that other CQB Sub Machine with a crazy rate of fire...can't remember the name...and some pistols all drop unarmored suspects a little faster compared to AP Ammo and they bleed sometimes which also drops them.

I also screwed around with Shotguns and I prefer to carry both slugs and buckshot, but wanted to hear what others have to say about Shotguns.

[rocky plover]

As for the part with smgs that might be because you end up hitting limbs with spray pattern which JHP is better at limbs

As for shotguns slugs is a single projectile and imo might as well use a rifle at that point and that's why buckshot is better imo

[hearty summit]

I feel like the usage of Shotguns in Ready or Not can be debatable...Like, you wouldn't bring one to a level like A New America given that some of the suspects are armored in that tier four armor or whatever. I tried that and one guy took at least 5 hits and kept fighting. However, a level like Twisted Nerve or maybe even Sinious Trail seems to have some applicability yet you could just bring a rifle anyway.

[rocky plover]

The spread can kill with just 1 shot because only 4 pellets need to hit the limbs and 1 shot has 8 pellets

Depends I did programmed psychosis with buckshot shotgun

It was better than a rifle tbh

[hearty summit]

I think buckshot has a hard time getting through teir 1 and teir 2 armor, but I could be wrong. I don't know the exact numbers.

[rocky plover]

That's how OP shotguns are

[hearty summit]

Are you shooting center mass or at limbs?

[rocky plover]

It doesn't penetrate L2 but it stuns them way better than rifles rounds, enough for you to shoot again until they die, aiming at limbs would obviously drop them quicker

Slugs would be more useless in ANA because they don't penetrate L4 either

Only up to L3

And some ana suspects got L4

And missing with slugs happens way more than with buckshot because it's a single projectile, like I said might as well use a rifle at that point

[hearty summit]

Those are all fair points. I'll make changes to my shotgun loadouts.

I'm fine tuning all of my loadouts because I want to get into multiplayer more instead of playing solo.

[balmy patio]

Actually its the opposite

Unless you are bringing battle rifles the suspects on ANA will just tank whatever else

However with buckshot each pellet has a pretty good chance for dismemberment (25%)

So you can just instakill the dudes regardless of armor, not only that but even if the armor eats all pellets if you aim at their body they will stagger from shotguns

Since again each pellet applies the chance of stagger compared to other weapons

Why suspects just eat bullets without flinching

However i would recommend going semi auto if u are using shotguns on ANA

But ey anything works if you can land headshots

[echo flower]

I completed the base Commander Mode missions and gonna do the remaining DLC ones in the following days, and also redo the whole thingy with a couple of more mods 😄

Great game... But I think there are a couple of scenarios that I'd love to see in this game, and are inspired by old S.W.A.T. 3 maps, like the Construction Site, L.A.X. Control Tower, L.A. Storm Drain... Those would make for some really challenging environments... Maybe even a waste disposal center. Los Suenos is swamped with trash anyways, and a trash disposal center being either empty or even more filled with trash would be so eccentric

Also, I remember an episode of Southland, when a suspect entered a police station with a shotgun and started shooting. It could actually make a forced scenario where you and your S.W.A.T. element actually have to clear out the active shooter/s with lighter equipment than usual

[late ledge]

bought ram before the price hike

dodged a bullet there 😮‍💨

[rocky plover]

That's good

Cos prices are crazy now

[late ledge]

same ram sticks are 5x the price rn yep

[woeful dove]

😔 Degrees of violence is such a cool song from zack, I never played the pvp mode but I imagine that's the waiting music

[heavy raven]

yo guys, does anyone know how to fix problem? i completed all base game missions on S rank but didnt got achievement "medal of valor" I started replaying some missions but it still stuck at showing me that I done only 14/18 which isnt truth

[sudden thorn]

Has to be all on standard, mode, if any are on casual you need to do them again

Or hard but that’s just torturing yourself if you do that

[heavy raven]

i done it on standart/hard

[sudden thorn]

No idea then

[rocky plover]

Sadly have to redo them again if you don't know which one didn't count towards the achievement

[hearty summit]

I will preface this with this situation is rare...The only other possible thing it could possibly be is your Steam save because the achievements are linked to Steam. Sometimes local saves don't always load correctly or vise versa with cloud saves. My suggestion would be to go into your steam save settings and try loading into the game after turning cloud save off then load in/log out and turn cloud save back on.

[rocky plover]

I was tracking them with every map to make sure it updated +1 each time I did

[hearty summit]

Had a similar problem with Fallout 4 a long time ago as well as Need for Speed Hot Pursuit and one other game I can't recall.

[heavy raven]

I mean, it just doesnt count anymore, i had elephant A rank, then done it in solo on S, but medal of valor didnt got updated so its probably with cloud save or smth, I will check it when will have more time, thanks yall for help

[rocky plover]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1461937718807236800 check this out

[gritty coyote]

there are many modded maps. Obviously quality can't be guaranteed. But still the vanilla content is already quite extensive for replayability. Have you tried Hard mode

[heavy raven]

tysm dude

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[heavy raven]

btw only in commander mode?

[late ledge]

i forgot to ask, are you using any mods?

i think that might be the reason for the FPS loss, apparently using mods that change AI behavior can be more intensive on the CPU

[echo flower]

Yes. It is completely broken and unrealistic 🤣 Needs fixing, especially the AI aimbotting and headshots not being... Well, headshots.

[gritty coyote]

The aimbotting is unfair but it compensates for them being unable to peek and lean like us. They don't react to free lean. This incentivizes methodical play.

Hug cover and clear angles gradually

Team AI is a liability now. They just trigger enemies. Leave them on hold

If you get good at using full auto and prefire you can still outgun the aimbots without peeking

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[late ledge]

playing solo is more fun ngl

I can actually use gunplay mechanics I wouldn’t use with teammates

[dusty ravine]

2 is the optimal size for me

3 people gets a bit crowded

[rocky plover]

Currently no

[late ledge]

2 other people or 2 including you?

[late ledge]

that makes sense

[dusty ravine]

2 including me

3 people ends up with a lot more friendly fire incidents, though that might be in part due to the skill level of our 3rd

[warm talon]

I see where Ur getting at but I feel more is better. I say 3+ teammates are better

[supple scaffold]

guys how tf do I unlick the My eyes it burns achievement? Like im trying to do what a YT video show, get into all gods burns with a grenade launcher, get all suspects from the vault to the gas bomb, shoot the gas bomb and kil the suspects while im taking damage and they are standing

Or am I doing something wrong there?

[still totem]

Yall think we’ll get another dlc?

[hearty summit]

I kind of doubt it...The natural progression of story telling within the game suggests not because where would the story go after completing A New America?

Perhaps we should be asking about Ready Or Not 2?

A weapons based DLC would be nice, I would pay for a bunch of new weapons and deployables.

[slim robin]

i just blew amos volls head off in front his daughter and carryed said daughter to the basement and showed her all the horrific shit, am i the asshole?

[hearty summit]

Opinions for Less Lethal Options? Is The Bean Bag Shotgun the only Less Lethal that is viable or can the Pepperball rifle put in some work?

I want S Ranks.

[slim robin]

i always keep a tazer handy

i think you should carry a gas mask for peperballs

[still totem]

I’d do a Weapons DLC, Clothing, They could do another countries version of SWAT perhaps

[still totem]

Like the UK or France

[hearty summit]

Alternatively...I guess they could take Judge out of the local police and make him Federal. The story could progress from there if it is based off of the events after A New America.

[still totem]

That’d be fire too

[vast chasm]

i think she's more traumatized of seeing her father's hidden empire

[slim robin]

Did me adding ventilation to his cranium give her some trauma or do you think she thinks she would have deserved it

[vast chasm]

she'll come around

and she just turned 18 anyway

[slim robin]

To clarify it was more of an execution specifically in front of her

[vast chasm]

she can find her own job

[gritty coyote]

lol no story is just starting to get somewhere

[vast chasm]

well that is after she spends a while in therapy

or talking to lspd detectives

[gusty beacon]

I’ll never forgive void for removing D platoons Swag

[vast chasm]

if voll has more goons out there that we didnt kill then, she might go into witsec?

[slim robin]

Kinda wish we could get some sort of update on her and other characters in general even if it's just small details

[gusty beacon]

I’d rather keep the swat game a swat game

[gritty coyote]

Amos is alive, expected to not really serve jail. If that is what you wanna hear

[slim robin]

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Glad I blasted him

My personal headcanon

[gusty beacon]

They should add a TV in some break room that plays the news or a radio that played the news. Would make great environmental storytelling

And the news changes depending on how you handled the situation

[fallen osprey]

would be really cool if it covered the last mission you did

like "5 SWAT agents dead after raid gone wrong in i-forgot-where-alethalobsession-takes-place"

"lspd confirms major skill issue"

[gusty beacon]

If VOID were to pursue a story driven swat game (probably won’t) I’d kill for choices and consequences system. So that the player is always on their toes

That could also incorporate a negotiation system on certain missions

[late ledge]

is it possible to reset career stats?

[slim robin]

I imagine if voll dies but his wife and daughter survive the wife cheats the daughter out of inheritance and you see the daughter in like dorms I think that would be like an interesting idea like your choices subtlety shift the future missions

[undone gazelle]

Plot twist, Voll´s character model is used as a corpse in the nighclub, unsure if that´s a reused asset or actual part of story.

Sorry, not Voll himself, his daughter, I´m too tired to think straight.

[slim robin]

Oh shit

[undone gazelle]

[slim robin]

Id hope it's just a coincidence

[gritty coyote]

generic model

[undone gazelle]

I frickin S ranked the New America twice today, totally hating myself for doing so.

Twice because I couldn´t find the last weapon the first time, so I brought the incompetent evidence goblins with me the second.

I cast... Search and secure !

[vagrant marsh]

Or just do stuff before the events of the main story

Maybe not stuff in Chicago or frigging uhhh the other place, but his earlier runins with LSPD

I think it was Nevada?

[slim robin]

My personal headcanon for judges apartment before boiling point was that he would just have an empty pad and a chair that he would just sit and fall unconscious to sleep in like his usia brainwashing made him drone like

But now I prefer what voids doing with him now gives him a bit of character

Like he's falling into the hole Gerard Scott did

[undone gazelle]

He´s not really living the high life I´d expect for a professional anti-terrorism swat unit leader, but now that I think about it, he´s a victim of Vermont´s legislation to cut back veteran funding, something Judge is himself.

[vagrant marsh]

He could also just be using that apartment for investigation instead of living in it

[gusty beacon]

Nah, our boy judge is a chud

A badass chud

[undone gazelle]

Oh yeah, that´d also work.

[vagrant marsh]

I mean I'm not saying hes swimming in cash, but it could be an off record

[vagrant marsh]

Truth nuke...

[gusty beacon]

Los Sueños economy is implied to be abysmal, and swat pay ain’t that good

[vagrant marsh]

Also ily pfp. Fantastic Mr Fox is a top 5 game oat

[gusty beacon]

Thank you

I love it

[vagrant marsh]

I mean, he was also in Nevada, Chicago, The War on Terror, and USIA.
Trust bros just into off shore banking

Its why we were the only infil on the bank, Judge needed to ensure the trails kept cold on him

[gusty beacon]

I wonder how the rest of the platoon thinks of this

I don’t really like how the guys you spend most of the game with are left out.

[raven schooner]

are armored ai supposed to have zero reaction to HP rounds or is 5.56 HP bugged

like no flinch no nothin for like 5 shots

[split scroll]

Does anyone have a setup with flashbang launchers for programmed psychosis?

[runic basin]

judge needs lots of r&r and therapy

[lost inlet]

What map?

[supple scaffold]

ayo is Is "My Eyes, It Burns!" still bugged??

[lost inlet]

It has 85% chance of staggering but it happens very briefly.

They can still move and shoot during that time.

[raven schooner]

sins of the father, dudes were tanking rounds like nothing

feel like its usually different, ive always been able to run hp with no issues on that map

[woeful dove]

[Z] Kill me

[woeful dove]

use a 308 son

[coral tapir]

"Fuck it." #10 quotes before disaster.

[woeful dove]

is there a mod that makes your ai teammates just "follow orders"

why would my swat teammates shoot me for shooting everyone on ped map

[visual mortar]

Mate

You know there’s girls there that are just the kid’s friends

And they didn’t know about the Ring

[woeful dove]

I didin't shoot them duh

[lost inlet]

You killed one of them while they’re on their knees.

[fallen osprey]

gotta love when suspects just casually execute another suspect for no reason

[woeful dove]

gotta love it when suspect ends it infront of you

https://youtu.be/zwohWqHhmwc?si=SE-LOHD8s6yqB1gv

someone told me face hitbox is gone, does that mean that this video is incorrect now?

[lost inlet]

yep, not even 2 minutes and i already know the video is crap.

your entire head is protected as long your helmet hasn't been shot off yet.

[gritty coyote]

The video said at some point that hollow point has a higher chance of piercing armor

[lost inlet]

holy shit, the more i watch, the more i wanna slap him in the face for spewing bullshit.

[quasi coral]

What?

I watched the video, I don't remember him saying that

Is there a timestamp? I needa look back at this

[gritty coyote]

2:52

You know you can use the Ask feature. Very handy to search in a video

That's a darn valid use of AI

[quasi coral]

Bru I'm too old to use ya'll younger generation tools

Pretend I'm 87 here

[lost inlet]

almost at 3 minutes mark.

[rocky plover]

Kinda yea, it's unlocking for some but still kinda buggy

[quasi coral]

Yo you weren't lying my guy straight up BULLshitting

[lost inlet]

that's when he mentions the JHP.

[rocky plover]

12 slots for flashbang launcher
1 slot for g18c
Light armor front only/front + back steel
Mirrorgun or m320 flash or shield (your choice)
Maybe some wedges if ya want but already tight on flash ammo

[storm belfry]

oh hey you're alive sins!

[split scroll]

alr thx

[raven schooner]

hostage taking in this update is fucking ridiculous

feels like 100% of runs a guy takes a human sheild and pops them when im nowhere near

[quasi coral]

I've always been alive Don (Eman thinks I'm crazy)

I was just focused on Boiling Point, I'm already on ANA

[storm belfry]

Don Don DOOONNN

[quasi coral]

This is it, I read the briefing and everything

[quasi coral]

Now we gotta find Badumtiss

[split scroll]

any tips on how to bait the enemies from top floor to rush down? Other than yelling and flashlight bait

[fallen osprey]

wait do you need to s rank it

[rocky plover]

Fire alarm but doesn't always work, showing yourself and quickly getting back to cover usually does the trick as well but risky

Needs good rng for that particular floor

[raven schooner]

dude they made the fuckin chicken restaurant unplayable

[split scroll]

No im just tired of using shotgun setup and spamming free lean
Had one run where i did everything perfectly and brought order to chaos, but one civ died by a suspect laying cover fire on 4th floor

[rocky plover]

No but some people like doing it with the flash launcher and then kill them with pistol

[quasi coral]

What'd they do Devil Dog

[fallen osprey]

oh ok cool also damn

[quasi coral]

Man I've always wanted to say that

[raven schooner]

suspects take hostages as soon as you make entry and shoot them before you get upstairs

[quasi coral]

RIGHT?! Pisses me off

[fallen osprey]

yeah for some reason hunger strike is like an active shooter mission for some reason?

[raven schooner]

i just had 2 in a row and the second guy shot them instantly

[rocky plover]

Gotta be super fast it's 60s on standard and 30s on hard

[raven schooner]

they runied this level with boiling point

[quasi coral]

It's a lot less than I'd say Stolen Valor, but still

[raven schooner]

it was not like this when it first dropped

it was a chill small map like gas, now you have to rush the office or lose

[split scroll]

If im not gonna take any wedges, how will i prevent people flanking me and shooting me in the back?
or mitigate at least

[rocky plover]

Close every door, leaves you covered, and if it gets opened, it gives you some time to react at least, or if you find it open you know a suspect passed through there when you're back tracking

[gritty coyote]

I think of it differently.
Now they make the map heavily replayable.

It sucks but it's way shorter than elephant. Literally just 4 min

I can count the rooms in my head

[lost inlet]

wait, does elephant suspect actually plays civi's voice line?

[rocky plover]

You could maybe take at least 1 slot for wedge if ya want but you need all the flash rounds you can get when you're solo cos even with the ammo box you might still run out before getting to it

[lost inlet]

@crude prism can you confirm?

[fallen osprey]

no, they have special voice lines, and after they're arrested

[lost inlet]

so no playing civi's voice line to plays and tricking you you right?

[rocky plover]

They impersonate civilians afaik

[fallen osprey]

oh they do? dang

[rocky plover]

To bait you

[split scroll]

alr ill experiment with both
do u think lethal is easier or launcher is?

[gritty coyote]

Hmm 🤔 have you personally experienced that

I think you might be hearing actual hostages that they bait you with

[raven schooner]

i guess but it just throws me off so much i cant take my time on the map anymore

[rocky plover]

Not totally certain but I thought I had seen a couple people say that they bait that way

[gritty coyote]

There's no taking time. Blue on backdoor. Red on front. Breach at the same time. You stay with blue and watch stair. Then red clear kitchen and you clear with blue upstairs. All under 3 min

[rocky plover]

I tried both and lethal was easier for me tbh because I could just kill on sight instead of having to swap between launcher and pistol every suspect, also risky if another suspect decides to rush, and you're caught with your pistol and the suspect is not stunned

[gritty coyote]

Hunger strike is just delightful chaos

The most cursed situation is if they pile up at the dark stairs with stupid hostages