👮ron-discussion

[glass heart]

swat ai shits the bed when any complex threat areas emerge

[spark haven]

Did seel to help if you tell them to go next room being down the 2nd set of stairs though

[glass heart]

theyre good for the cookie cutter cqb room types but when its more open space or there are a lot of openings they just dont do that well

[main gorge]

yo why is valley of the dolls not showing up when I look for it in quick play

every other level shows up but that one

[spark haven]

I find it depends on the area

Far left of the bank at the open window. I had them in a firing line, ans they cleared the entire big room pretty easy shooting like 4 suspects and 2 more that came from side rooms.

[onyx swift]

Yeah, they can handle the floor next to the upper staircase and the bottom kinda, but at the same time from their shouting, they got the Black Sentinel to be pre-aiming at everyone

Which is a big problem with the whole squad like 4 shots max from dying, within the entire run

Only one of my SWAT AI made it out with me, I think it was Eli (in QP)

The other 3 got immediately shredded

[warm timber]

I covered ready or not for a class project the other day

[spark haven]

Surprised all 4 didn't with you not having armor on them. As even having armor for my guys 2 went down in like half a seconds

Didn't help in the vault area there was 6 of the enemy AI in the same spot in a group

NGL still wish they fixed the other 2 DLC achievements

As I have done stuff even sleeper agent like 2 weeks ago after like 5 months and no achievement for all other DLC achievements

[woven obsidian]

Sorry guys, since the F90 has been bugged for over a year (maybe even more) and it’s impossible to use it with right-side free lean on both PC and console—and it still hasn’t been fixed—does anyone know if there are any mods that fix the F90? Or maybe mods that add similar weapons?

[velvet verge]

are they gonna fix the thing where your characters isnt actually using the grip you put on it

[unborn sinew]

What’s a good loady for New America

Nothing works against these guys bro they eat 6.5 to the face

[gritty star]

7.62 works just fine for me

I use the OSW

[unborn sinew]

I tried that and it worked, my aim was just off

I’ve been using the 590 and it’s been dropping them pretty consistently one shot

[rocky plover]

7.62 AP on standard, 5.56 AP on hard, or shotguns with buckshot on either difficulty it's op af

Light armor front only steel is also pretty good for both mobility and protection

[warm slate]

If u got good aim sa58osw single shooting because of insane recoil it will drop them instantly 1 shot usually (can shoot through walls too) if ur aim is like semi good but not say marksman lvar is good for full auto it got little to no recoil and a single shot can still kill them although it can shoot only through thinner walls

[light creek]

Anyone got tips for getting the achievement "Big Shell Specialist"? Need to headshot two active suspects 30m away on leviathan. It's currently the only achievement I don't have other than programmed psychosis.

[rocky plover]

Typical rng achievement, spawn on helipad and wait there, restart if needed, repeat if needed as well.

[light creek]

Hmm okay, I usually find 1 suspect 30m away, but can never find a second one

[rocky plover]

Yea just gotta be patient and wait there until 1 is visible near the railings while you're on helipad

If you're far back should be enough distance for the achievement

[velvet verge]

LFG OCE tactical achievement hunting or anythign

[floral peak]

#🔎looking-for-players

[velvet verge]

brooo I keep thinking im talking in lfg mb

[white sentinel]

I am never touching « Hard » again 😂😂 a random street thug having spec op level aim, and pinpoint accuracy to where you get one tapped through small crevices is just 👽👽👽 i guess standard is the go to « Realism » or mil/swatsim

[rocky plover]

Yea hard is nowhere as realistic lol, it's not realistic having to crouch free lean every 1cm to avoid getting 1 tapped across the map lmao

[worthy stag]

This game needs some serious polishing. It's not being handled properly.

[shadow dome]

God 20 attempts on greased palm hard

[shadow dome]

Don't forget that one suspect who takes 10 bullets of 6.8 or smh

If u guys wanna do hard mode, ig multiplayer full team is the best. If you do solo, you die and straight lose. If you do solo with bots, you die and the bots become a statue. If you do mp, youdie and your team continue with mission

I'm looking for people here actually hehe

[distant rose]

which one of the 3 dlc's should i get?

[wooden lintel]

Boiling point

[south cave]

ive finally finished all the missions on S

i wanna get dlcs now

is it worth to get all of them or 1 or 2

[pseudo hull]

when im indoors in rustbelt im actually completely blind

[distant rose]

ok

[upper ridge]

Its a mixed bag, a lot remove it, a lot use them.

[shadow dome]

Really? I thought swat doesnt use silencer because what's the point of silencer on cqb, your foes would still hear you?

[upper ridge]

I understand only the one who covers the rear uses LPVO, but yeah maybe that's wrong

[upper ridge]

https://youtu.be/SXYqHFMs-CA?si=nm6w-xa1U-cL-sWh&t=356

from Chris the cop, timed video

https://youtu.be/AfMOg3VM1sE?si=VOHwvSCHyP9-b2-D&t=162

also here

[shadow dome]

Yeah, lpvo is more often on military (not paramilitary), but the main root here is the type of battleground. Swat team irl never really deal with open and wide area, and more often deal with cqb and closed area. Lpvo would be kinda useless

[shadow dome]

Nice channel, finna diving in

[upper ridge]

He was a metropolitan swat commander iirc, not sure anymore

[shadow dome]

Thanks

I never really see any military vids anymore. Usually i look for articles and footage lol

Partly cuz i have gotten too busy

[distant knoll]

When does a new America take place because when you die in multiplayer I got the date October 24th but apparently the canon date in 2028

[distant rose]

How do i get access to the holding cells?

[tacit gull]

you can go to the elevator, they've been moved to the basement

[distant rose]

aight, is the elevator left or right?

[tacit gull]

left

[distant rose]

aight thnx

[solemn patio]

Imagine female ai swat and female player options in multiplayer

I wanna look pretty

Maybe character customization for multiplayer actually

A suspect I killed came back to life in handcuffs and died when I picked him up

[upper ridge]

Do wedges help to keep doors open at all? Because i think doors are never closed unless done so by a player.

[upper ridge]

if its realistic then yeah

are there females on SWAT teams IRL? I suppose there are

[solemn patio]

Sad I don’t have image perms but

Lemme just dm you what that reminded me of

[rocky plover]

Yes you can wedge open doors and peeked doors apart from the obvious wedging closed doors

[upper ridge]

Yeah but i what i mean is if that's useful at all, because IRL doors can close by themselves sometimes (physics stuff) or get closed by anyone else like a civ or suspect, but in-game that never happens in my experience

[solemn patio]

Dude I got a D rank cause one civ died in elephant

This some BULLSHITTTT

[rocky plover]

Ah I see what you mean, tbh I don't see a benefit wedging open doors because a closed one is better at concealing you, but a peeked one can good because you can see something but they can't come running through it. It's very rare but I seen suspects closing doors on ANA idk if it happens on other maps

[solemn patio]

Is elephant entirely dependent on spawns

Im tryna do less lethal now its giving me ptsd

[sterile prism]

is the my eyes it burns achievement still bugged?

[solemn patio]

Oh my god

I think I just YESSS I S RANKED ELEPHANT

[unkempt granite]

you gotta rush it

i personally recommend bean bags for this since it's a lot of hallways

also try to yell because they might answer or drop a voiceline

[solemn patio]

Do I do greasy palms or twisted nerve

S rank wise

[unkempt granite]

twisted nerve

greased palms and hide and seek are a pain trust

they're far range so

[blazing shoal]

true

twisted nerve isnt that hard to s rank

[unkempt granite]

are achievements for dark water bugged? i got the "Get all achievements" one without getting Big Shell Specialist

[blazing shoal]

i still havent s ranked sinuous trail though i might have to not go from the rooftop lol

[unkempt granite]

and somehow i'm not getting big shell specialist despite getting like 5 shots at 30m

[unkempt granite]

sinous trail is fun and simple rlly

[blazing shoal]

yeah i might go a different entrance

im still struggling to get a higher rank in sins of the father dammit

i think equipping my squad with the SA58 was not good lmao

i feel like their performance dropped when i equipped them with that

[livid urchin]

Hello! I just bought the game and was wondering if anyone has any tips for gameplay

[unkempt granite]

clear the first floor when you spawn, then go down the stairs from the entrance trust

[upper ridge]

I hope Void adds the option to choose no tactical device (the slot of Rams, Breach Shotguns, Optiwands, etc) and also add the mirror version of the optiwand

[unkempt granite]

wdym mirror version of the optiwand?

isn't that what it already is?

[upper ridge]

No, the one in-game uses a screen that is powered, and the peeking is done with a cable or whatever the point is. IRL swat use a pole with a mirror

[valid raven]

what is the mod that gives you a randomized loadout?

because sometimes I feel overwhelmed with the amount of options

also, it seems like some of the guns are so similar. It’s just a cosmetic change.

I know some of them have different recoil patterns, and stuff

[blazing shoal]

ive been trying going from the elevator spawn then wedge the lower door then go up the stairs then clear from there until back to the lower floor

idk how i did it in my very first run, no teammate died but a hostaged civvie did

[unkempt granite]

nvm mb i was thinking f vally of the dolls

use balcony spawn

then clear upstairs and go downstairs

are you on commander or multiplayer?

[blazing shoal]

the balcony doesnt feel safe to me lol

im on commander

on my very first run i spawned rooftop then cleared the second floor, somehow survived with so many angles at the start

[unkempt granite]

you enter straight into a big room with maybe 2-3 suspects inside and vcivs

a tip i can give that i learned is that you can use a door as cover when peeking

like open it and you get cover on your back while you peek the other side

[blazing shoal]

the one with a big yellow light right?

[blazing shoal]

yeah i use that too

[unkempt granite]

wdym?

it's like you spawn on balcony

[blazing shoal]

i mean like the big area that has 2 double doors and a staircase going up

[unkempt granite]

yeh

[blazing shoal]

i havent tried balcony tbh

[unkempt granite]

yeah that's it

[blazing shoal]

i like elevator spawn because it has very few angles then if you go straight to the top floor it feels very straightforward

wouldnt hurt to try balcony next time i play tho

[unkempt granite]

i hate that at 120 weapon fov only 6x and 12x scopes matter

[twilit cipher]

should i use JHP or AP rounds on relapse?

[median raft]

anyone else notice that suspects have been a little beefy ? shot an MLO soldier thrice in the chest with slugs from relatively close range and he kept on trucking

[median raft]

I used AP and had no problems

[twilit cipher]

alr

[thick merlin]

Ban dw im stuck as well

I just had 14/19 suspects im so pissed

[median raft]

i generally look at what the mission info says,if it's normal crackies i take jhp and if it's terrorists or armed security i take AP

[unkempt granite]

any tips for nogood deed?

[floral peak]

ignore civies, rush the suspects

and keep your camera on heli incase he spots a suspect

and try not to hit gas cans

[tropic bolt]

Hey guys, i just finished a new america, i disarmed the triggerman but there was nothing more, is that normal?

the mission just ended, nothing happened after that was out of the ordinary

[jaunty locust]

Is there mod for non suspects?

[upper ridge]

I shoot them at their god damn feet and they still don't give up, like wth lol

they don't even feel it

[median raft]

you'd think that multiple rifle rounds to the legs would be enough of a reason for them to give up

[rocky raptor]

The MLO guys are damn tanks, i just go for limb shots with the shotgun

[unkempt granite]

this is so obvious but it helped, and with the MCX i was able to neutralize everyone

[rocky plover]

You're far better off with buckshots than slugs especially on that map since they have L4 which slugs suck against

[rocky raptor]

It's better to go and dismember them

[unkempt granite]

i hate that search the area is useless

and only search and secure works

[rocky plover]

Yea thats another reason why buckshot is op can kill in 1 shot

[upper ridge]

Yeah idk if its adrenaline or what, i only care whether or not its realistic, i want the real thing without you know... doing the actual thing IRL lol

in simulations like these we got infinite lives so that's enough reason to justify the genre lol

[unkempt granite]

are all boiling point missions active shooters?

[rocky plover]

No only first one

[unkempt granite]

i almost fucked up and went to the bank one with my team on stressed

[distant rose]

kill less ppl

[glass heart]

its if it hits bone or not (in reality, game doesnt have bones modeled)

legs are a small moving target thats also not less lethal at all thats why theyre not taught as an aiming point

center mass or pelvis are a better aiming point

because they stop threats quicker with less chances of rounds going off target

[upper ridge]

Not even with JHP bullets?

[waxen idol]

my god i finally finished programmed psychosis

lost out on the A rank because a gun fell through the floor

[ivory geyser]

In reality both suspect and you would get immediately downed if they get shot in the legs or other unprotected parts of torso/stomach

And your hands would get destroyed by single 308/39

[glass heart]

jhp does better but its still not a reliable stopper in reality

[unkempt granite]

is gas mask as tanky as the ballistic one?

[glass heart]

in ron it does do quite a bit of damage against limbs but you cant just aim for them on purpose as you wont hit your target

[glass heart]

obviously not

the ballistic mask is the tankiest face attachment, thats why it exists

[unkempt granite]

i see

you can't get headshot killed unless your helmet breaks am i right?

[ivory geyser]

You can

[glass heart]

yes

[ivory geyser]

I think if you get hit by 308 or 39 you get insta killed

[unkempt granite]

do suspects use those

[ivory geyser]

Fal and aks

[faint saddle]

They can still shoot you in the face—happens to me all the time now since I’ve been wearing gas masks instead of the ballistic mask. -w-

[unkempt granite]

i've never really used a mask until s rank hide and seek

the pepperball deserves an apology

[somber wedge]

whats the best gun setup to incapacitate a npc instead of killing them fully

[glass heart]

ofc they still can but your helmet needs to break before you die to headshots

[glass heart]

why would you want to do that

incapacitations work if you take away more than 50% of their health and they dont bleed to death

[cedar mulch]

Will Judge still be the protagonist in the next DLC? Or will FSIA take his place?

[glass heart]

jhp causes more unintended deaths

[somber wedge]

doesnt incapacitate give more points

[glass heart]

most suspects take 160 (standard) and 190 (hard) damage to incap

[glass heart]

no it doesnt lmao

[faint saddle]

Hey, in A New America, is it worth it to use ||the mayor’s secret room||, and other environmental factors more broadly?

With regards to ||the mayor’s room||, ||I feel like it doesn’t allow for anything that can’t be achieved by just using the regular room opposite it, across the elevator lobby. Your AI team can’t use it like a normal doorway, and I don’t believe you can close it again after you’ve opened it. It just sorta makes a big hole into a wide open space, with you and your team stuck in a rather tiny box||.

There’s also stuff like ||the fire alarms||, ||CCTV cameras||, and the ||IR tripwires||. While I think the first is a really cool effect and an interesting hamper to the player, obscuring our vision and alerting nearby enemies, I feel like it really wouldn’t affect the enemy in-turn? And as for the ||tripwires||, in my head I feel as though you’d be able to trip them intentionally and lure nearby enemies to a more fortified position, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

[somber wedge]

is it the same as just full killing

[glass heart]

both are 5 points, all incap does is preserve hvt objective

[somber wedge]

yea well i wanna do incap more cause its genuinely a pain in the ass when i accidentally kill a civ or fuck up a objective

[unkempt granite]

on HVT objectives i recommend either going fully non lethal or memorizing how the target looks

[faint saddle]

By incapacitate, do you mean getting them to surrender, or do you mean getting them to drop while still being alive?

[somber wedge]

second

[faint saddle]

Ah, yeah, same points as killing.

[ivory geyser]

They should add ballistic visor for exchange of nvgs

[somber wedge]

ya but its not abt the points i want to incap so i dont accidentally fuck up hvt objectives or kill a civ. cs most of the time i just run in the mission with no plan lol

[faint saddle]

I would recommend AP rounds over JHP, as they’re more likely to more cleanly pass through the body.

Semi-automatic fire over automatic fire can help you make choice shots on target instead of plain unloading on them.

And I’d recommend experimenting with different calibers to see what works. A single shot of 7.62 might be better able to incapacitate people than a few shots of 5.56, or vice versa.

[glass heart]

all jhp actually does in the game is have a higher bleed chance and do more damage to limbs

also, lower material and armor pen

[faint saddle]

Doesn’t it do more damage against unarmored bodies, or do you mean specifically limbs?

[glass heart]

specifically limbs

the way bullets work in this game is that they do full damage through armor if they have equal or greater pen values to that armor

if they dont, they need to break the armor and then they do full damage to unarmored torso

all 7.62 JHP rounds have 3 penetration, meaning they do full damage through all armor except L4

all 7.62x39, 7.62x51, and 300 blackout AP does is penetrate L4 armor

obviously limb shots do less damage than torso shots with jhp

but jhp limbshots do more damage than ap limbshots

something like 3 times more damage

[faint saddle]

Mm. |:

Well still, he should try AP rounds.

[glass heart]

ap is good when its stuff other than 30 cal lol

5.56 ap pens L4 but 5.56 JHP only pens L2

[unkempt granite]

do i have to disable any bomb on the bank heist?

[faint saddle]

I don’t remember having to do so, I don’t believe you’re on any time limit, but I’ve only played it the once so far. Haven’t yet had time to memorize the key details.

[hard hound]

60/66 acheivments done did they fix the my Eyes burn yet? I wanna do everything before I do the Ironman mode acheivments

[upper ridge]

WOOOOOOOW this is the worst thing i ever seen in this game by far, i shot with beanbag shotgun to an armed suspect (23 megabytes a second on Standard difficulty) who was shooting me from afar where he made the pain animation 4 consecutive times

dude kept shooting me and i just died, he literally never gave up

the AI is the weakest part of this game by far

wish i could have recorded the moment, he was alone even

[fickle hedge]

hey can AI teammates (in commander mode) still finish the mission when you die? I'm watching a youtube video where this is the case, however when I die in commander mode, the mission ends immediately

[ivory geyser]

Have you tried flashing him

[faint saddle]

Nope. Dunno what video you saw, but as far as I’m aware the mission always ends after you die.

[unkempt granite]

just beated bank heist, this one might be my fav cuz of payday 😭

[upper ridge]

i was out of flashes by that point

[ivory geyser]

What about ai teammates

[upper ridge]

they were securing the area above

[fickle hedge]

that's so weird it was literally in a GameStar video from march 2025, maybe it was changed since then.

[ancient kernel]

Is the patrol uniform fixed

[fickle hedge]

also does anyone know if there is a mod to be able to bring ai team mates in co-op? Would be nice since I'm often just playing with one other person, and the missions are quite difficult with just a squad of two

[rocky plover]

That's because they need to be in a certain distance and have LOS to you shouting or else they would never register to your compliance

[quiet tapir]

how do u get twister nerve S tier i literally got everything and it only gave me A+

[rocky plover]

Never end a mission yourself, if it doesn't end automatically that means something is missing and you won't get S if you force end it

Probably evidence or a soft objective or something, a screenshot would help

[quiet tapir]

I can’t send images but in the end results thing it literally showed I got every possible thing

[rocky plover]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art can send it here

[quiet tapir]

I even pulled up a s-tier guide and I got bar for bar the exact same shit the dude in the video did I just somehow got 200pts less

[ancient kernel]

Anyone know yet?

[upper ridge]

They did though

[floral peak]

There might been another suspect nearby that had high morale, that could prevent him from surrendering

[ivory geyser]

He should have gone for head....

[floral peak]

I had to forcefully end mission on Hard S Greased Palms multiple times

[upper ridge]

Also a shotgun got bugged and fell through the staircase in that mission while i was arresting a suspect, do i lose S rank for that?

[upper ridge]

He was alone man, there was no excuse for that to happen

[ivory geyser]

I think so

[floral peak]

Wait for it, they made so things that went underground get autocollected with time

[rocky plover]

Some suspects got incapped/dead according to the score next to suspects secured

[upper ridge]

Oh that's good to know ty

[floral peak]

Even works with suspects that went out of bounds

[rocky plover]

Sadly it's not always 100% chance that it works but it should be

[rocky plover]

Oh damn

[rocky plover]

You sure you where within range I forgot if its 15m or 30m

[floral peak]

Sometimes, on greased palms, the dead suspect with phone (soft objective) makes game think there a dead person not reported

[rocky plover]

Ahhh

[floral peak]

And it shows on scoreboard that 0/1 bodies reported

But you still get S rank

[rocky plover]

Oh I see

[rocky plover]

You got 375 points near suspects secured, should be 525 for all alive and arrested

[upper ridge]

less than 30m for sure

[rocky plover]

Maybe you where in free lean where you can see him but he couldn't see you?

[quiet tapir]

bro

[upper ridge]

i just died to 3 guys shooting form inside the streamer's room, i was this close to S ranking in Standard diff lol

[rocky plover]

Damn

[upper ridge]

there usually only spawns 1, not 3 lol

I go for standard because i felt it plays more realistically, people start to hide under and inside different things like furniture and what not, they also start faking stuff

they never do any of this in Casual difficulty

but the mount of bs i got makes the game insufferable

[floral peak]

Never tried casual diff

[rocky plover]

Me neither

[upper ridge]

Casual makes the game ten times more easy

[rocky plover]

But agree with standard being more fun and realistic

Than hard mode

[upper ridge]

i dont even want to try Hard mode

[floral peak]

It’s the diff they intended ppl to play the most

[rocky plover]

True

[floral peak]

So ofc

[floral peak]

Hard S are calling

[rocky plover]

Hard mode is just play with weird mechanics to win the game lol

Not realistic at all

[upper ridge]

more like abusing mechanics, yeah

[glass heart]

if you need to exploit poorly made mechanics to beat a difficulty its not a very good difficulty

[upper ridge]

true

[rocky plover]

Yes, that's what I mean^

[upper ridge]

we have to cheese through it

[floral peak]

On hardest missions yes, but overall most of base game missions (and some of DLCs) are doable with AI

[rocky plover]

True but there's still some bullshit that can happen

[glass heart]

doable yes, fun no

[floral peak]

I did all base game and dlc (except ANA) Hard S ranks with ai

I know the pain to its full extend

[rocky plover]

Yea same and I did most of them without the AI as well cos I prefer solo sometimes makes it easier cos I can focus on the suspects only and not keeping the AI alive as well

But there's still some BS that can happen on hard mode

Even from a suspect that barely opposes a threat

[floral peak]

I usually prefer playing with ai than solo because they can cuff suspects while you covering, find all guns and some more

They can be very useful

[rocky plover]

Yeah true , I just hate when they die in a very few shots though so sometimes I say fuck it solo it is lol

[floral peak]

But it’s hard to make them be useful and not them to die at same time

[rocky plover]

Yeah

Sometimes I try to use them just for wedges and c2 and try to avoid getting them in combat with suspects

[floral peak]

I have a strategy for GP, and ai does it part mostly good

[rocky plover]

But sometimes it's impossible to do when they don't listen lol

[floral peak]

Even on Hard

When I cleared everything but warehouse, I stack up ai on different entrances from main side

And garage

We enter at same time, and because the outside is cleared there no threat from there

When we advance by the half, I make them fall in

It usually works

[true saddle]

wish you could control viewports like in swat

[upper ridge]

The AI is the biggest hurdle of this game by far

[rocky plover]

Yeah when it works they are good, but that's the thing sometimes "when" haha

[median raft]

Do i have to secure all weapons,suspects and civilians on "a new america" to get "programmed psychosis" achievement

or can i just murk all of the MLO dudes

[rocky plover]

No just get a passable grade with main objectives done, including civs

[floral peak]

Just main objectives and passable grade

So you have to apprehend VIP and defuse his vest

[median raft]

thanks

[floral peak]

Wish you could just shoot him

[rocky plover]

True lol

[median raft]

hope i dont get touched by the MLO while i sleep

[rocky plover]

But he surrenders very easily even by just shouting, it's the others that are covering him that's annoying

[unkempt granite]

any advice for ANA?

[rocky plover]

Just make sure not to turn your back to him after he surrenders or he uses his revolver lol

[rocky plover]

Take. It. Slow. 😂
Use the mirrorgun on every door and corner and above doors.
A whole lot of c2 and wedges can help.

Watch out of IR motion detectors; either disable them or use them to your advantage

[floral peak]

And learn how to free lean properly

[rocky plover]

Yup ^^

[floral peak]

So they will have much less chances to spot you

[unkempt granite]

how do i know there's an IR motion detector

what do they do?

[floral peak]

NVGs

You can see them with nvgs

[rocky plover]

You see a black box on the wall or use nvg to see the actual wire

[floral peak]

Note: turning off generator won’t turn off the lasers

[rocky plover]

They reveal your position and they rush

[floral peak]

And also you can do flashlight manipulations

[ivory geyser]

Does mlo behave like your ai teammates

[floral peak]

If you point flashlight inside room and there a suspect, they will usually react to it

Use it to your advantage

[floral peak]

They just can breach and use flashes

That’s the only differences

[ancient kernel]

Is there any way to change your teams default command to instructing civilians to move to the exit instead of restraining them?

[ivory geyser]

You can just shout everytime you trying to enter the room

[rocky plover]

Good tips^ just be careful cos sometimes they become aggressive and start to pre fire at the direction of the flashlight so wait a bit in cover when doing it

[unkempt granite]

should i try to do it on multiplayer before on commander mode or do i ball

[ivory geyser]

They can stack up too

[ivory geyser]

Ohhhhh

[floral peak]

You can get some unneeded attention from that

[ancient kernel]

^?

[floral peak]

And more suspects will be aware by that

[rocky plover]

Yeah ^

[floral peak]

Instead of only that one

[floral peak]

Ai can’t do that

[ivory geyser]

Well it's good for luring them out tho

[rocky plover]

They can also trigger the fire alarm though which makes even more suspects alert

[floral peak]

Flashlight gives just as much effect, without revealing yourself to anyone other than needed suspect

[ivory geyser]

Oh i see

[ancient kernel]

Ah alright, is there any way of making them just not do anything to civilians then?

[unkempt granite]

wait are we D-Platoon? Judge js said we are i'm so confused 💔

[floral peak]

Yes we are

[rocky plover]

No, if they are close to them they automatically arrest and collect evidence

[floral peak]

I don’t really know, seems like they just do it when they close to civs

And sometimes they don’t care

[rocky plover]

You could try spamming fall in command

But sometimes they just don't care

[unkempt granite]

you could use the "Move over there" or "wait" command

[ancient kernel]

Thank you’

[ancient kernel]

Alright, I see, thank you!

[ancient kernel]

Okay, I’ll try thatc thank you!

[floral peak]

You welcome

[upper ridge]

finally S ranked 23 megabytes on Standard

it was just a matter of having good spawning

[unkempt granite]

can you disable infrared sensors or do they instantly trigger

i just disabled one but it started sounding like an old telephone

[tired jungle]

You can disarm them or even just shoot them

even tho shooting is loud it's still better than triggering it

[unkempt granite]

and what does disabling the security system do?

do i ujst get rid of IR sensors?

nvm

[gloomy onyx]

Have any of you had the problem where your AI teammates are throwing the 9-Bangs extremely short compared to how they used to and currently throw the regular flash bangs inside rooms?

[tired jungle]

It gets rid of the cameras

For a period of time till they come back on

[upper ridge]

How to save civilians on time in Hunger Strike from Los Sueños stories? Even in casual they kill like 3-4 in a minute

should i rush going up or what?

[haughty epoch]

Hi there. Does anyone know what DLC pack has the 590m? (Shotgun with the mag)

[upper ridge]

All weapons are available for free, no need to purchase DLCs afaik

[haughty epoch]

I can’t find it in my weapons tho

[clever cape]

Guys I have a very good suggestion

Will I get 3 hours of RoN?

What about blue phosphorus night vision goggles

[regal tundra]

all PC players have access, but if you're on console its not available unless you pre-ordered

It's supposed to be unlocked for console players this summer

[upper ridge]

Oh wow idk why they ever chose to do that on consoles

[regal tundra]

capitalism

[upper ridge]

console sux4real

they suffer the most

[regal tundra]

Even worse, the flash launcher and MK-V are subject to the same logic

[clever cape]

.

[warm timber]

I hope they’ll add some sort of mod support. Kinda like how fallout and Skyrim does it for their console versions

That would be cool

[regal tundra]

Im pretty sure the kill timer starts after 30 seconds. If you're playing with bots you essentially have to get lucky. I like to breach from the parking lot and tell them to breach and clear the kitchen while i rush upstairs

[upper ridge]

I did that and managed to get S on Casual

after entering that door i sent blue to entrance and red to kitchen

while i went upstairs

yeah gl doing this on Standard lol

we'd need players for that, let alone Hard diff

[stone goblet]

Hi

[regal tundra]

Yeah with enough tries its possible with bots but for sure way easier with actual players that can split up and make intelligent decisions

[upper ridge]

Yeah

[umbral niche]

Parking Lot is definitely best. Going from the front alerts them instanly and they always take a hostage for me.

I think trick is just to be very loud in the back entrance where their van is because they'll all come running to greet you. xD

[vestal cliff]

Hello everyone. I'm wondering if this game is something worth picking up on sale. It's inspired by SWAT 4, right? I've never played that...

How does the game work in single player? I heard that you have a limited supply of officers so is it like XCOM or what? Is there a Free Play mode allowing someone to "git gud" without having to stress out over all that?

[upper ridge]

The stress system isn't realistic, not even in the context of the game according to a former swat commander

[vestal cliff]

I'm not concerned with realism. I'm just trying to get an idea for how the game plays.

[signal crow]

Yeah it allows you to choose from multiple difficulties. Easy, normal and hard. You work with a roster and can hire your own officers, they all have different traits they can unlock (one for example is armorer, when unlocked it gives the whole team better armor stats.). The stress system that Mick referred to is more regarding how many suspects you kill instead of having them surrender. It's something you will need to keep in mind as well as officers might quit if they're in crisis.

All in, I would recommend it. It's fun and can get really challenging. Though I do prefer to play it with a friend, ends up being a bit more fun imo

[vestal cliff]

I've never played a game where you're meant to arrest suspects instead of killing them. How's that work? (Also, just seen there's a practice mode, so that's cool)

[upper ridge]

i know, i was just adding on top of that comment

[signal crow]

You're free to kill them essentially. There's just rules of engagement. For example suspects might have the intention to surrender, if you shoot them without giving them the chance to do so, you will get penalized. You can stun them with grenades, tase them, use pepper spray, or use pepper guns. Whatever suits you.

So you're definitely going to have to kill suspects but if you kill a suspect that surrendered, you will get penalized. If you kill a suspect that is considering to surrender, you get penalized as well. The system is pretty self explanatory once you're playing. Butt it is 'more beneficial' to try and apprehend instead of killing them

Doesn't take away that you're gonna have some pretty cool, intesne and good gun fights in this game

[vestal cliff]

Ah. I was thinking there would be beanbag rounds or something like that. I've added it to my cart.

[signal crow]

My bad, those are there as well!

[hybrid cedar]

there are

[vestal cliff]

Also I saw you've got a Mod.io page, so assuming that's actually intergrated like DRG and Bonelab that's pretty sweet

[signal crow]

Yeah I know a lot of people use a specific site for mods, not too sure which one that is though. But there's #🔧modding-chat if you need help with that stuff 🙃

[upper ridge]

There is

you got 2 hours to try it anyway

[vestal cliff]

Also the main character shares my surname

Which is honestly really weird, never had that happen before

[upper ridge]

Its only his codename if you mean Judge

[vestal cliff]

Oh it's not his real name? I thought "Judge" would be his codename

Or is that something different?

[neat pulsar]

Is there a way to see what maps I've S ranked across all modes (multiplayer, commander, etc.)

[regal tundra]

Looking at the mission select in quickplay should show your highest ranking

im not sure if it crosses over with commander

so at worst you might need to cross reference commander and quickplay...

[neat pulsar]

it looks like it does

[regal tundra]

i think quickplay shows the highest of any

commander will just show rankings from that save

multiplayer functionally works like quickplay

[neat pulsar]

I only need to do rust belt, sins of the father, neon tomb, buy cheap buy twice, carriers of the vine, and hide and seek

neon tomb will be fun

[regal tundra]

Port will be the hardest on that list

at least you got relapse already

[neat pulsar]

I don't even remember when I did that one

unless it counts S ranks from early access

[upper ridge]

"Judge" IS his codename, not his real name.

[unkempt granite]

is there anything i should know abt the major's office?

[signal crow]

you mean the mission a new america or just his office?

[unkempt granite]

like his office

[deft plume]

yo does have 2 armorer officers make you more even tanker?

[signal crow]

I mean you have the panic room to the left. Can be opened by pulling the book, but furthermore, nothing special

[unkempt granite]

no, but you can go with nutricionist + armorer

[unkempt granite]

ight thx

[spring saddle]

are they ever gonna have a true cloud online progression system rather than being local file based?

[jovial willow]

Why is doesn’t seem like the stack up doesn’t seem to be working in training mode on the steam controller?

[golden crescent]

Somebody knows how to open the bank's safe on "all the Gods burn"?

[minor parcel]

yea

you gotta find the password for the 2 different computers which can be found on a whiteboard and inside a safe

[slim finch]

is there an achievement for getting S tier on all main missions on hard mode

[unkempt granite]

no but you kill two birds with one stone

[solemn patio]

Having a hard time s ranking twisted nerve, need to find all civs any tips

[unkempt granite]

search and secure

also there's an attic on the second house

[wind gyro]

@cedar spindle mods dont have anything to do with void i believe. they dont pick out any suggestions or anything like that

[slim finch]

it's people using the lobby limit unlocker mod and some other mods to set up teams and such to make up PVP scenarios

[golden crescent]

@minor parcel ty

now i know what is in the other side of the safe

[minor parcel]

np

[slim finch]

is it even possible to S tier some of these maps on hard mode? I swear some suspects are programmed to NEVER give up

do i take the ego hit and bring the difficulty down to standard

[hearty summit]

So, where does Ready or Not go after Boiling Point?

[unkempt granite]

should i use the RTWC rather than the MCX for ANA?

[slim finch]

Airsoft DLC

[oak crest]

bring a tazer

[hollow finch]

theyre both 2 shot

.308 and 6.5 gets super nerfed on hard cause they lose their oneshot advantage over 5.56. Either run 5.56/.300 or a shotgun is my tip

[loud orbit]

I LOVE THE P90

[lost inlet]

Both works fine.

You’d still run AP on both of them anyway.

[loud orbit]

9 bangers are also so good

[vagrant marsh]

I find the RTWC is just a beast overall, its all i ran for boiling point

[rustic quartz]

If we were to have a new DLC, it would most definitely have to be before the events of Ready or Not.
Probably about Judge before his time in the LSPD, like going back to his time in the Chicago PD
First mission would just be a normal raid, probably a barricaded suspects map
Second mission would be something a bit bigger like a hostage situation or something
Third mission would be about the nightclub incident (judge being the only survivor)

then an ending where its about him being transferred into the LSPD

or therapy or some shit idk

[unkempt granite]

how good is it against the armored dudes on ANA?

[rustic quartz]

video thats kinda like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6It265DueM4

[elfin flame]

I would think something like this would be good for a sort of prequel game, but having it as a DLC would also be a good excuse to bring in some GWOT kit from Judge's time in Iraq

[rustic quartz]

its a police game not a milsim game

[robust storm]

is there a mod to not play as police?

[rustic quartz]

idk probably not

[elfin flame]

I am fully aware, but who's to say that a SWAT officer couldn't use an OTV (for example) from surplus and acquired off-the-books

[rustic quartz]

ohh you mean military GEAR

yeah i thought you meant a dlc about him in iraq 😭

even then though i dont think a police officer is really allowed to use their own gear for police work

[elfin flame]

yeah no, not that delusional

[quiet tapir]

there r mods that give u like, machine guns tho💀

[elfin flame]

I mean we see a few armor cosmetics that are probably non-standard for a SWAT team, and seeing as the LSPD is underfunded it would make some sense for some officers to use their own gear from home

[unkempt granite]

a tip that i found on ANA: if you use the NVGs and use the optiwand you can see the IR sensor's lasers

[elfin flame]

I think you can also see them in the helmet cams

[rustic quartz]

thing is a dlc going into a different city like i explained would probably be more funded than the LSPD

[elfin flame]

probably, but I'm sure an excuse could be found

[rustic quartz]

lol

[elfin flame]

also Void please give us an M60 or 249, even if one mag takes up like 3 slots

[rustic quartz]

ever heard of mods?

[elfin flame]

I have, but it would be nice to have at least one LMG in the vanilla game. We have the M32 (which iirc was a modded weapon before), after all

that and apparently the irl LAPD has one or two M60s in store just in case

[rustic quartz]

wouldnt make much sense for a police department but ok

[hard hound]

Yo does paramedic trait ruin the hermit if an officer dies but I don’t lose him bc of that?

[rustic quartz]

dont know but probably

[unkempt granite]

i'm so red

[rustic quartz]

im so blue

[unkempt granite]

hide and seek seemed like a walk in the park compared to ana holy shit

[slim finch]

can we ban the blatant child from this server

[rustic quartz]

which one

[slim finch]

@dry flame

[rustic quartz]

i agree on this

@dry flame

[slim finch]

@dry flame

[rustic quartz]

if you didnt buy the game then leave the server lol

whats the point of being in a server made for a game if you dont even have the game

[elfin flame]

then what are you doing here, infant?

[slim finch]

yeah infant

[rustic quartz]

also you spelt "didn't" and "bought" wrong

[stable kernel]

That is enough of that

Some of you need to read the rules

[slim finch]

sir yes sir

[rustic quartz]

yes sir david judge beaumont

[elfin flame]

sorry, got a bit carried away

[slim finch]

anyways

[elfin flame]

are you saying you pirated this game?

[slim finch]

do i just give in and drop the difficulty down to standard and do flash launcher cheese to get all my missions S rank or do I keep struggling through

[elfin flame]

🤨

[slim finch]

i'm so mad there's no dedicated achievement for getting S rank on all missions hardmode

[rustic quartz]

technically you can

i mean there are achivements seperate for beating every mission on hard mode and beating every mission on S rank, BUT if you do them at the same time...

its not really the same but its similar

[elfin flame]

so you're saying you didn't buy the game, but you still play it?

[rustic quartz]

which game

wait a minute how can you play the game if you havent bought it

...so you pirate them?

well yeah obviously

sooo someone else buys them for you or

[boreal abyss]

[rustic quartz]

so how are you gonna play a game that costs money if you havent bought the game and do not own it

[elfin flame]

you better explain yourself fast, kid

[rustic quartz]

im falling for the ragebait atp

[stable kernel]

I said enough

[boreal abyss]

👁️

[stable kernel]

Do not try to trick users in admitting to breaking rules that they did not break

[rustic quartz]

👀

[slim finch]

anyways when are we getting mission variants back

#💬general-discussion

wdym? send a screenshot

ok im not engaging in this

[boreal abyss]

I believe everyone time you complete a mission you unlock another one

[boreal abyss]

😭

You must be referring to dlc then?

I believe dlc maps besides the new dlc only have 3

[slim finch]

first off, where did you get the game on? what platform? Steam, Epic, etc..?

what mode are you trying to play? campaign?

[boreal abyss]

[slim finch]

#💻tech-support

[elfin flame]

go to that channel to get further help with your problem

[slim finch]

anyways what's y'alls favorite all-around primary

[runic gazelle]

I like average.

[elfin flame]

not in this chat

[runic gazelle]

(Aka the mk18 despite the fact that all Daniel defense mods for this game break every other week)

[elfin flame]

BRN180 hasn't done me wrong yet

[slim finch]

does anyone know if Nexus mods impact scoring saving? Or is it just mod.io mods?

[runic gazelle]

also yes I don’t talk here enough but screw it

[boreal abyss]

I haven’t played in awhile but i believe i used to run the scar

[runic gazelle]

The L or H variant?

Yes both versions are in the game now

[boreal abyss]

I believe H

It’s been awhile since I played

[slim finch]

Anyone?

[boreal abyss]

I think it does

[slim finch]

rip

[runic gazelle]

Last I saw: no for mod.io

It was way back in the botched 1.0 release though

[boreal abyss]

Something you might have to test

[elfin flame]

Nexus mods installed manually do affect score saving, I can confirm

[slim finch]

welp time to get no mercy

[elfin flame]

I'll see if I can send a screenshot in a sec

[slim finch]

non-lethal only for S tier is stupid, yes yes I know preservation of life is SWAT's main goal blah blah blah but also SWAT team's first option isn't breaching / entry so if suspects haven't given up by the time an entry team is formed that's on them

[tacit gull]

dont do s ranks if its a problem then

[elfin flame]

I know I'm giving into the ragebait, but some of us want drip

[slim finch]

bold to say when most people cheese them anyways with flash launchers. Instead of doing that, I'd rather get no mercy

[tacit gull]

right so instead of removing the m32 which is the problem we remove the entire reason for ltl

[slim finch]

imagine me playing my copy of the game however I want 🤯

[tacit gull]

bro complained on the public discord then instantly got defensive about being allowed to play the way he wants

[slim finch]

I complained about a problem that's clearly never being addressed and explained how I'm fixing it for myself

but go on mate, anyways #💬general-discussion

[tacit gull]

It's not being addressed because it's not a problem

[elfin flame]

Fortunately he's modifying his game, not yours. He gets to play how he wants, you yours, win-win

[unkempt granite]

why in the fuck can suspects destroy the jammer????

[elfin flame]

wait can they? I've only had the door control screen destroyed (which I have my own gripes about, but I digress)

[unkempt granite]

yeah they just destroyed my jammer

and a dude just ran into me and i couldn't shoot

worst run of all time

[tacit gull]

By saying he's installing no mercy after publically claiming that less lethal giving exclusive s ranks (an intended feature, clearly) and calling it a problem he implies that removing scoring is somehow a net benefit for the game, which it is not

[boreal abyss]

[glossy swallow]

mine save?

[elfin flame]

honestly I may be mistaken, maybe it just doesn't count on leaderboards or something? But it does show "unofficial score" whenever you complete (or fail) a mission with mods regardless of where you got them

[glossy swallow]

idk but mission wise it saves all my rankings including if I score higher or hit S rank

[unkempt granite]

are you sure? i got a balaclava mod and a jordans mod but it still takes it as official

unless it's something like changing how many slots you get or weapons

[glossy swallow]

maybe its just leaderboards cause it still saves ranks

[glossy swallow]

any mod could be even just 1 then it makes it unofficial

[unkempt granite]

i've never seen unofficial i think

is it on multiplayer/quickplay? because on commander i've never seen that

[elfin flame]

I do have weapon mods, that may be it. But oxide did get a mod that changes scoring parameters meaning their score would be unofficial (I was double-checking for them anyways)

[elfin flame]

good call, I'll check that too

[unkempt granite]

some dude with a shield just died on casual

[tacit gull]

i'm pretty sure there's no leaderboards

they wouldn't even make sense, score is based on rng and the highest one is also on s rank

you could cheese more score by abusing weapon caches on certain maps but that competition would be moronic

[elfin flame]

even on Commander, it shows "Mods detected: unofficial score"

[cinder hawk]

i think i just saw a suspect run through boobytrap, blowing it up w no damage and while searching for him we got blown up at open door we’ve been through 300 times

do they rearm traps? i mean never seen it in 250h

[cedar mulch]

Will the next DLC be PvP? I reckon the stories of Usia and Mlo have come to an end.

[tame umbra]

can someone guide me on ps to pc crossplay

[unkempt granite]

you need an epic account but i think it's the same by default as your ps one?

[tame umbra]

so the linking is 100% needed?

[unkempt granite]

on steam not that much, but on ps/epic i think so

[tame umbra]

I tried creating an epic account and linking it but I kept the same prompt and it wont work so im unsure about how its supposed to work

With the prompt being "Please enter the email address you used to create your Epic Games account."

[unkempt granite]

i ujst beated ANA

it was hard but fun ngl

[hallow bronze]

i got the medal of valor

[balmy patio]

Programmed psychosis is waiting

[neat pulsar]

Can you do medal of valor in multiplayer?

[hallow bronze]

yeah i think

[oak crest]

YES

[shadow dome]

Guys i need someone who knows a lot about the game

[hidden shadow]

On PS5 US#6 if anyone wants to join up, I’m solo

[edgy verge]

And what do u need to know?

[shadow dome]

Best equipment for hard mode

You can dm me for like really deep explanation if you want

[edgy verge]

On any map?

[shadow dome]

On every map

[edgy verge]

Well it really depends on ur playstyle. If u play very tactical u will get at least B (under the right circumstances) with 6 flashes 2 pistol mags 2 primary mags 1 taser on almost every map (ofc when playing with good mates)

At least thats what i carry

[shadow dome]

Whatsup with the taser?
What primary should i bring?

[edgy verge]

When talking about rifles it all comes down to your preference. I use the ARN-180 because its one of the shortest rifles in the game + 300blk + very manageable recoil

[kind moth]

idk what taser does to a suspect

[shadow dome]

Nice info ofc maybe taser is a new update

[edgy verge]

Taser is only used by the second man in the stack when u pull a surrendered suspect out of the room

[shadow dome]

Uhh i dont understand imy enlgish suck

Dw keep typing i'll wait

[kind moth]

cant you just tell the suspect to come out

like command them

[edgy verge]

Yes and for those situations the 2nd man is equipping the taser in case the suspect draws his weapon

[kind moth]

OOOHH

[edgy verge]

Ofc if the suspect is still in the room and we have no narrow or other means of cover to throw another bang from u will have to take him out as the pointman

[kind moth]

useful information

[edgy verge]

But when the suspect is in our stack (not yet secured) u sometimes dont have the time to earn ur shot so taking the suspect out without risking friendly fire can be harder

[kind moth]

i never get that scenario while playing together actually

[edgy verge]

Yeah like i said it all depends on ur playstyle

[kind moth]

we just gun them for fun if we didnt reach for S rank

[edgy verge]

Yeah i never go for S rank when playing like this but i try to apprehend as many suspects as i can

[shadow dome]

Yeah hahahha twin

[kind moth]

that was for unsolved mission if it was me

reaching S rank is actually very easy

just use flash launcher

[edgy verge]

Yeah thats why i dont do S runs lmao

[shadow dome]

Man i was waiting for your typing

🇾

[edgy verge]

But to come back to ur question. Like i said it depends on ur playstyle

If u just wanna do dynamic entries all day u might want more mags and less flashbangs because u will get into fights more often

[vocal ravine]

What's your guys' favorite weapon for S runs

[oak crest]

FLASH LAUNCHER

[edgy verge]

Beanbag

[vocal ravine]

Really?

[oak crest]

YES

[shadow dome]

Do i use jhp or ap on hard?

What's dynamic entry?

[edgy verge]

I Allways use AP

U just have to be more careful about ur shot placement because the shots will go through the suspect

[vocal ravine]

Pretty sure ap is for armored targets and jhp is for ones without armor

[oak crest]

beanbag has hitbox problem, vpl takes time to take effect
flash launcher has none of these problems

[vocal ravine]

How much ammo does it have?

[oak crest]

so flash launcher without a doubt

[shadow dome]

Have you gotten every missions on hard?

[shadow dome]

I think 6 per drum, and you can bring those drums like normal mags

[edgy verge]

Yes

[vocal ravine]

Oh so plenty

[oak crest]

it always has 6

[vocal ravine]

I thought it had like 3 or something

Never used it

[oak crest]

and every ammo you add to it, it adds +1

[shadow dome]

The flash drum works like primary mags right?

[shadow dome]

I need some help, right now i'm building a team of 5 people

[edgy verge]

Its the opposite of the deliberate way. So u just „run“ into the room without prior slicing

[shadow dome]

Maybe we can make a small gc

[oak crest]

ur cooked

[shadow dome]

What's deliberate entry?

[last dawn]

ah my favorite

[shadow dome]

Ofc, 27 attempts on hard grased palms

[oak crest]

ONLY 27?

[last dawn]

may a new america never find you brother

[oak crest]

rookie numbers right there

[hexed oyster]

guys where the bomb in the elephant map

[last dawn]

one tap of doom on standard per every corner

[shadow dome]

Too bae i got the eldc

[shadow dome]

It's randomized. Run around the map and approach if you hear beeps

[vocal ravine]

Always different

Listen for beeps

[shadow dome]

It's like beep... beep... interval 1.5 second

[vocal ravine]

There's only like 6 places they can be though

You can check them in google

[edgy verge]

Its when u pie the room from the door. So u clear the softcorners from the outside (if possible) which then only leaves the hardcorners to be checked on entry (and any obstacles)

[shadow dome]

Damn it's so hard, especially on greased palms interior with thousand of stuff going on

How do you even peek and pie perfectly? Sometimes i die while peeking...

Or pieng

[oak crest]

dont play on hard diffuclty

[hexed oyster]

all my crew just died to the fuckass bomb

[shadow dome]

Nice tips ofc, to win on hard you just dont play it

[oak crest]

sometimes to win, you have to not do it

[shadow dome]

Ambatublow

[shadow dome]

Bro's not aristoteles

Aristotels

[oak crest]

i have no clue what that is

[shadow dome]

Nah i would rather graduate philosphy from Amba

[shadow dome]

It's rhe

[oak crest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/uhh-patrick-star

[oak crest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/discord-discord-perms

[edgy verge]

u slice the door untill u are about 90° to the doorway

When u see a wall infront of u u can then go back to ur last important angle (because holding a wall does not make sense)

[shadow dome]

I dont get it

I need course on this ig lol

[floral peak]

If peeking is your power, what are you without it?

[shadow dome]

If mouth keeps asking question, when will you answer?

[edgy verge]

There are lots of videos on yt if u want to go deeper into the topic but check dm

[shadow dome]

Sure

[floral peak]

I will answer then

[shadow dome]

Pastime training for the love of the game

[shadow dome]

When you answer nor question, do you inform or outform?

[floral peak]

Answer the first question sir

[shadow dome]

I believe freedom exists my friend

So i refuse to answer

[floral peak]

That’s a bit rude to ignore my question

[shadow dome]

What's rude and what's not is subjective. Do you think it's up to which person?

Now we talking, but maybe go to general discussion

[rocky helm]

I did my first completion of a new america and I got shot by the final guy even though the 'bring order to chaos' objective already got ticked off

[young echo]

id be bummed

[open thicket]

VOID FIX YOUR GAME

Legendary FISA agentanimation stuck again

[somber wedge]

how did i only get a B when i got everything like objective, evidence, restrains and no officer dead

[bitter mason]

dead suspects?

[somber wedge]

yea restrained them too

[bitter mason]

if any suspect is incapped or killed you get less points

[somber wedge]

oh

[bitter mason]

having them surrender and arrest them gets you the most points

game does a bad job of letting people know this since suspects are often so trigger happy

[somber wedge]

so how do u think i shld get the trigger happy ones to surrender

[bitter mason]

flashbangs or if you really want S ranks use less lethals like the beanbag shotgun or pepper ball

theres also the grenade launcher which you can load with flashes or gas

all grenades, flashes, gas and stingers will stun suspects and let you arrest them when you compliance yell

if they are a bit too stubborn for even than tasers and less lethal options can help nudge them further

suspects will get more trigger happy the louder you are, if you manage to ""sneak"" through the levels without getting too loud most suspects will hesitate first which can either result in a surrender or give you plenty of opportunity to stun them before they turn on you

[somber wedge]

kk, which less lethal gun is best

[bitter mason]

the grenade launcher is pretty overpowered
but other than that the beanbag shotgun is probably the most reliable, just dont headshot or you will kill the suspect

try out some of the earlier missions on quick play if you want to play around with different options

[somber wedge]

sounds good

thanks

[sharp spruce]

why do we spawn so far from the briefing room now

[vagrant marsh]

Quiet well I find, dropped in 2-3 shots

[hollow finch]

worse .308

its a 2 shot incap like 5.56 instead of the .308 being onetap while being uncomfortably long

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message @visual mortar suspect executed him

[vagrant marsh]

There's 308 in the game?

[visual mortar]

He had his gun
Shooting at me
How does he
A:stop shooting at me
B: point it at the hostage
C: shoot the hostage
All in the time that the bullet leaves my gun

[onyx swift]

this is correct

[somber wedge]

how do i manage the grenade launcher, i cant bring alot of ammo

[onyx swift]

M32A1 Flashbang is super OP, at the cost of how much ammo you’ll want to hog for it

[bitter mason]

you'd have to skimp out on certain things to make use of the slots

[onyx swift]

You either have to sacrifice more slots for Grenades, or prepare with a Secondary on hand

[somber wedge]

okay

[onyx swift]

The Launchers come stocked with 6 Grenades, and then each ammo you take for it is 1 extra Grenade

So if I had 10 ammo for example, I’ll have 16 Grenades total

Beanbag is sometimes better if you might be in a mission where you’d run out of Grenades early (especially if solo without Bots or other player teammates)

[hollow finch]

he wasnt shooting at you. animation was just incorrectly pointing it at you

[somber wedge]

whats a good secondary tho, i tried the g18 cause of its automatic firerate but its lowk weak as hell and took a entire mag to take down one guy

[hollow finch]

five seven is the only reliable one against armor and even then it only deals with L3A

but the .50 AE is objectively the best

[worn bear]

did they do sth to the C4? cant place it anywhere, no mods fully vanilla

[hollow finch]

nope it works fine for me and havent heard anyone else having issues

[worn bear]

strange, can't place it at any door, the prompt is completely missing

[hollow finch]

you sure you equipped some?

[worn bear]

yup

[somber wedge]

bro a civilian just fucking rushed me in the club mission i shot him and fucked the mission objective

[hot wraith]

ive almost perfectly S ranked greased palms but the last suspect is bugged and just wont surrender, what am i supposed to do?

nevermind he ended up getting incapacitated by my wonderful officers so i only got an A+

[hasty hull]

😭

[hasty hull]

This is why I only give them bean bags and pepperballs they tend to always light the hell out of the one bugged npc

[hot wraith]

They all had beanbag shotguns, it not too big of a surprise they got incapacitated really just annoying

[hasty hull]

Oh yeah forgot beanbags can fuck them up

I honestly think an incapacitated suspect shouldn’t demote the amount of points gained from arresting someone in an active shooting situation

[mild glen]

hey guys im new and I was wondering if I could ask a question

[fervent gale]

Is it possible to complete a mission when killing a civ, as in what the achievements refer to?

[wraith gale]

if you kill a civ the mission wont end. just do the rest of the objectives normally. you just can't complete the "rescue all civilians" objective.

[rocky plover]

It was placed slightly higher on the door handle with last update - like waaayyy higher

[rocky plover]

Sure, fire away

[mild glen]

I asked a few already but im still confused on how to learn like actual good cqb

like I wanna play the commander mode and stuff but I cant ever seem to get my team to do well

like the first mission was easy at the gas station cuz i did it with my friends 3 times

but 23 mega bytes a second

I keep getting shot in the back going up stairs

[rocky plover]

About actual cqb I suggest watching videos on that it's far easier both to understand and explain rather than with words.

23mb a second, did you try taking the side stairs instead of main stairs?

They lead both to 1st floor and 2nd floor

[floral peak]

If CQB is your power, what are you without it?

[mild glen]

I think i just took the main stairs into the courtyard area

I kept getting shot from a floor above

[rocky plover]

A sitting duck

[mild glen]

clearing the atrium is the part I struggle with

[rocky plover]

Yea take the side stairs they are far better

[mild glen]

okay

is the mirror gun good to run?

[rocky plover]

It's technically the best long tactical especially for new players

[mild glen]

okay

ive only done a few missions

[civic fiber]

good morning

[mild glen]

with my friends

I did the first 3 I think and then I did the one for the Hawaiian shirt

[rocky plover]

Good afternoon

[rocky plover]

Oh nice, and welcome. Have fun and enjoy

[mild glen]

thank you im trying

my friends keep trying to get me to do new america

but idk what that is

[rocky plover]

New mission from latest dlc

[civic fiber]

Hardest mission in the game

[rocky plover]

A very hard mission actually

If not the hardest yea lol

[mild glen]

okay so dont do it

yet

[rocky plover]

Yea I suggest doing base missions first

[mild glen]

okay

thanks full metal

ur a goat twin

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[lost inlet]

They can still get one shot by 7.62x51mm on standard.

[rocky plover]

Yea they have base health like most of the maps

[fervent gale]

So for doing achievements like The heat is on, do I just need to get to the windscreen or get a grade better than F?

[rocky plover]

@floral peak have you re-attempted programmed psychosis again since we got S on hard?

[floral peak]

yeah, no success still

[hexed oyster]

how come i keep getting f's even though i got all the enemies

[rocky plover]

Damn, where are the runs ending most of the time?

[rocky plover]

Dead civilians...

[hexed oyster]

just 1

he wasnt going down and i accidentally shot him

[hasty hull]

You don’t get as many points when killing them

[hexed oyster]

i keep getting f the next mission im gonna kill all the civs

[hasty hull]

Alright

[rocky raptor]

The soft objectives, killing suspects, evidence not picked up, abuse of force and such

[floral peak]

Floor 20/21

[rocky plover]

:o, thought you were gonna say 22nd cos it's the hardest part, whats happening exactly then?

And what loadout you're using?

[floral peak]

Mostly skill issue

It’s just I getting shot frequently

I’m doing free lean properly, but they still manage to at least shoot me once

[rocky plover]

Try leaning slowly slowly to the side until you can see them then stop, if you keep leaning further then they see you

Also crouch and lean down as well while leaning to the side

[floral peak]

Yeah doing that

Last time I tried I got to council

Tried to spot suspect while leaning

But I was with NVGs on and his head was blending in environment

Couldn’t see him properly and died

[rocky plover]

Oh damn, what loadout you running?

[floral peak]

B1013, 7 mags
2 flashes
Lock pick pistol
3 wedges

And camera

[rocky plover]

Similar to mine but I had way more 9 bangers

5 slots for m1014
1 slots for JHP .50AE for peeking in tight spaces such as doors (1 tap to the limbs)
6 9 bangers
1 wedge
Light armor front only steel
Mirrorgun

[tacit gull]

6 7

[visual mortar]

Incorrect
Go back to the video
The suspect fired his gun at me before I shot him

[royal scarab]

This game should show on there steam page that they use AI artwork etc

[tacit gull]

its ok they dont care

[hollow finch]

well no, thast the shot that kills the hostage

what shows he shot at you? he didnt hit, you just got the suppression effect cause he was close to you

if youd have shot the hostage you wouldve gotten the TOC warning+point loss

[zinc lantern]

Suspect’s shot doesn’t hit the hostage. The hostage doesn’t die and no points are lost until the player’s shot

[floral peak]

its literally just one mission, it does not affect gameplay in any way

[ivory geyser]

They do?

I saw suspects hitting civilians

[royal scarab]

there are multiple hunderts of AI artworks in this game..

[floral peak]

1. They are only in 1 mission
2. It does not affect gameplay

[royal scarab]

and its required to say this on the Steam page

[royal scarab]

1. its in every Mission
2. Its required on Steam

[floral peak]

0/10 ragebait

[royal scarab]

it is in every mission..

[floral peak]

try showing me at least one that is not from 23 mb per second

[royal scarab]

literaly most of the Pictures alone in the Police station

[floral peak]

Even so, does it affect the gameplay?

[royal scarab]

yes

[floral peak]

it does not

it doesnt affect suspects, it doesnt affect your squad, doesnt affect gunplay, story or anything else

im not saying that ai art is good thing

im saying that it does NOT affect the game in any way

most people wont even look at all these

[royal scarab]

it does affect the immersion
it does affect the "lore"
how do we know that the written things were not made with ai too?
Its required on steam too show that this game is AI work
its not optional its required

[royal scarab]

i dont really mind that they use some ai art
but i dont find much non Ai artwork
and its dont showed on the Steam page
thats my problem

[molten osprey]

RoN was released in 2021, I doubt that this is AI.

[royal scarab]

since 1.0 much of the things got changed with ai for censorship etc

[floral peak]

I can only be sure of 23 mb per sec mission have ai

everything else, im not quite sure of it being ai

[molten osprey]

Interesting

Maybe someone here can extract the resources and look at it in high detail (if there is a high detail version)

[royal scarab]

you can clearly tell from many pictures that the things are ai made

[royal scarab]

a youtuber counted from a few missions AI artwork and found 140
(look in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art )

[floral peak]

all you shown is someones count of him (that might be counting real art as ai) and one image from ANA

[royal scarab]

watch the video by ur self u can see that the things are Ai made
if u seen much AI artwork you can tell if its ai or not

[floral peak]

its lore video gng

[royal scarab]

its in #🎬ron-clips-and-media and the AI part is at 1:08:37

[royal scarab]

yea but he say some things about the censorship and ai work too

[tacit gull]

some of the images shown there are not ai, but yeah most of the missions in the game do contain it

[royal scarab]

can also show ur a Reddit thing idk what that is called where u can see more AI

[tacit gull]

and i agree with his take on the whole thing, though i think the whole "deepthroating the lore" argument can be made for a whole lot more things in the writing and presentation

[royal scarab]

most of the artwork in the game is AI i dont say everything is Ai but definitly more then non ai

[tacit gull]

the game loves to indulge and yet its all pretty meaningless, lake that's as deep as a puddle type shit

[royal scarab]

and we cant tell if the Lore things arent made with ai to

[tacit gull]

considering the newest briefings have character bios that are as big as a wiki article

i'm pretty sure its also ai

huge meaningless briefings that don't help with the mission or with anything at all

[royal scarab]

yea and that is a thing that People who like the "Story" and lore of the game could find bad cuz its not much work too let ai write big Lore things

[royal scarab]

i know it dosnt Affect the overall gameplay but immersion gets distrubed by this and also the big lore is cool but only if u dont know that prob much of this or "some" of this is ai made

[tacit gull]

just because it "doesn't affect the gameplay" does not mean it doesn't lower the overall quality of the game

in the same way commander mode, which does affect the gameplay also lowers it

the standards for this game's overall presentation have fallen down a set of stairs

[floral peak]

now you twist your words

[tacit gull]

you can see it everywhere from the writing, to the art, to the gameplay, to the marketing

[royal scarab]

i just saying
that VOID with multiple hundrets millions of worth should hire artist and dont should use ai

[tacit gull]

the new trailers are embarrassing

[royal scarab]

no i said it dosnt affect the overall game but the immersion and i never said its affect the "gameplay"

[floral peak]

i asked "does it affect gameplay" before and you said yes

[royal scarab]

Void shouldnt use this much ai and should atleast show it on the Steam page thats btw "required"

[floral peak]

it does not

[zinc lantern]

We’re talking about a specific clip

[ivory geyser]

Oh i see

[royal scarab]

it does affect the gameplay if u want to get immersive
and i know u want to protect the game etc and thats fine
but tbh its too much ai made
and its bad for People who want to know the story the lore and etc

the ai work dosnt affect the normal player that plays some Ready or not or that plays it not this much but i play since the 18th of July 2022
and played over 260h
and i think its bad this much of AI usage

[floral peak]

i played over 300h

[molten osprey]

That's hardly true

It's a game. If assets of virtual people are ai generated, that's not really an issue. Not even for immersion

[royal scarab]

okay but still dont u think that the game should atleast do the thing that Steam requires the game to do?
saying that they use ai artwork?
or the could also pay some artist and let them made art

[floral peak]

We dont really put in mind the thing that we dont how much does VOID spend while developing their game

There might be issue with it so they cant really afford artists

or at least its not their priority right now

[tacit gull]

that's

what

[royal scarab]

when u look over the maps and wanting to know the lore and find most of the time AI artwork i think the games feels less "good"

[tacit gull]

theyre selling the game for 50 bucks a pop

they put the game on fucking billboards on nyc are you broken

if they have the money to pump into that kinda marketing they have money to pay their artists which they do have

[royal scarab]

Void is worth about 330million
i think they get some cash for some artist

[floral peak]

well, i didnt know about it

im not from US

[tacit gull]

they got a superbowl ad

[floral peak]

Huh

[tacit gull]

atleast i think it was superbowl

some giant sports event ad

[floral peak]

first time ever hearing about it

[velvet steeple]

still waiting for the sniper team bro

[ivory geyser]

Don't forget about live events

[tacit gull]

https://youtu.be/BoJJb1nXggY

yeah i dunno bruh i think they have money to spend on actual artists

[velvet steeple]

Ok definitely not superbowl

[royal scarab]

they have money too get artist
the reason they dont use this
idk

[tacit gull]

hopefully not happening

[ivory geyser]

Hire devs to fix ai instead

Current one sucks a lot

[royal scarab]

why dont do both?

[velvet steeple]

AI ignore obstructions in visions way too much for sure