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[worthy stag]

If you get are struck by a rifle from the very muzzle it's brutal when somebody does it with intention

[green arrow]

Or some will just punch you like you're not even holding a loaded weapon

Oh someone armed ill just punch him why not

[worthy stag]

like bro if they really want people in general to take this game seriously they need to get rid of these goofy behavior because people will refund this game after seeing some goofy shit like that

[floral peak]

I’m MLO

Find my flowers

[worthy stag]

It's funny asf how you have already taken down like 4 terrorists with some serious lead and then you go next room and you have a dumbass lady telling you to "I'm not doing that"- "fuck off"- "I didn't do anything wrong" gets her shit rocked with a M4: "okay i surrender"

at this point I am not sure if it's some type of comedy put into the game but all my friends crash out and start ranting about how dealing with the civilians are truly the villain in this shit

[floral peak]

Truly, RoN moment

“LSPD go to hell”
bashed
“I don’t wanna get shot!”

[worthy stag]

like bro real fucking hostages and innocent people in real life are crying and screaming because seeing these SWAT motherfuckers in all black coming in is almost like an angel coming to save them from a life and death situation. Only sus mfs would resist and refuse compliance to straight being held at gunpoint and OUTNUMBERED

[floral peak]

These civs trying to aurafarm

Like fr

[worthy stag]

I like to think they just put this shit into the game for us to have a hard time dealing with them but still its so anticlimatic and as I have mentioned it really takes away from the experience because since the AI isn't very complex or rich in depth/personality/behavioral patterns yet they should just reboot them to be more compliant and actually realistic. Let me say one final example

[rocky rover]

please take my husband, but let me go!

[green arrow]

This cant be happening

[worthy stag]

I really liked that in the past )) im not sure if this is still in the game anymore AI overall, civilians and suspects used to hide way more and take some legit bullshit defensive positions in order to caught you lacking from behind later on, so that you would need to check every hiding spot and open closets, check beds and hiding spots to kill these lowlifes or put zips on civilians who try to hide and tell them to hide. What does everyone here actually think about us being a SWAT team that has to bag every single gun and device for evidence. I completely believe in bagging stuff to take it away from the environment, but to be baggin shit during a raid? is it even worth it to get all the job done and then spend some big ass time looking for the guns aftermath?

like vro SWAT nor HRT are cleaning crew and I had to install a damn mod that said this exactly

[pseudo hull]

greased palms my nemesis

[worn dawn]

Us being swat and doing the job of forensics is fucked but the bagging is so that they dont try making smart moves and also.. it is los suenos after all

[hollow finch]

triggering the explosives explicitly fails the mission

[glossy pebble]

guys am finding it difficult to clear relapse any tips ?

[worthy stag]

los suenos is basically next level cocytus satanic ghetto on steroids and crack ))) *its better than current USA

[sweet fractal]

this

as long as the main obj is completed the mission is done

[tepid orbit]

civilians really just love rushing a trigger happy guy with a shotgun💔

[sweet fractal]

rip to anyone who i shot with a supernova

[floral peak]

Slow down, you have plenty of time on mission (bomb timer is ~30 min)

[sweet fractal]

or you can go john wick

https://tenor.com/view/gun-drawn-on-a-mission-clearing-the-building-weapon-gun-gif-17340159

[sweet fractal]

fuckass image perms SHIT

i mean theyre all hostiles

and you can arm yourself with a Battle Rifle chambered in 6.5 Caliber

[pseudo hull]

accidently killed myself with c2

did not know that was possible

[dim oak]

welp i got the quest 2 just need to wait for VRO to update

[worthy stag]

why can't we wear durags in the game

[hexed oyster]

can you not sprint?

also i got a question about the enemies

how do you know if they'll shoot you on sight or not?

i've been shooting them on sight because im unsure, but idk i dont wanna kill em

[blazing shoal]

nope, by design

[blazing shoal]

always yell for compliance first using the F key, if they start shooting at you thats when you basically have permission to shoot back

[hexed oyster]

is the crouch button actually useful?

[wide scaffold]

What is the best dlc to buy as a first dlc?

[blazing shoal]

idk i dont use it most of the time, but you can get so low with it when paired with free lean

its almost like prone

[hexed oyster]

i asked this once and alot of people said dark waters

[wide scaffold]

Like after the boiling point release?

[hexed oyster]

do you make less sound tho? or is it just there

[lost inlet]

you have low ready for that.

[blazing shoal]

i am actually not sure about that, but maybe? you can also slow your walking for less sound with the left shift key

[blazing shoal]

oh right that is this game's counterpart for sprint lol

[lost inlet]

you make no noise while crouching.

[obtuse loom]

weird, i just got an error in game saying that the game lost contact with epic servers, I am on steam tho

[quiet axle]

servers dead

[heavy drift]

I'm really tired of ai throwing the stinger in my face and not in the room..

[fossil crow]

Will the dlc soundtracks be added to Spotify?

[rocky rover]

yeah "set up" means you glued it somewhere else your face.

[quiet mesa]

Is there oike a secret room in the neon Club Mission, or why are there no damn terrorists (Bring order to Chaos is not completed)

I've went through the whole Club like 3 times

[lost inlet]

Have you check the bathroom, pool area and upper halls?

[quiet mesa]

Pool clear, bathrooms clear, upper Halls? Is this just rhe area with VIP Lounge, stage, Dance bar etc.

Found a terrorist, order to Chaos compleet, but no trace of Quadamah

[marsh lark]

Anyone else faced an issue with the F-90 and free leaning?

Aka you being kinda "knocked out" of leaning while shooting?

[woven obsidian]

@pine token

[rocky plover]

Yea used to happen before the update not just with the f90 but it was most obvious with the f90, doesn't seem to happen now though afaik

[marsh lark]

Hm

[rocky plover]

But I could be wrong as I haven't used the f90 that much recently

[marsh lark]

If you could at some point try the F90 in a shooting range and let me know of your result I'd appreciate it

or preferably in the kill house downstairs

[rocky plover]

Aight I'll try to remember as I'm at work rn

[rocky rover]

can you give more details of what you observed during that bug ? tried with another gun ?

[rocky plover]

Like when you free lean with the f90, and shoot once it resets you back to default position instead of keeping you in the same position you were in when taking the shot, that's what I remember happening but I don't think I have encountered it recently but I'll test it again

[marsh lark]

For myself this is solely isolated for the F-90. Basically go to the killhouse downstairs and free lean (alt + d/alt + a) and begin shooting. You can try to look in different directions as you shoot and it should knock you out of the leaning position, meaning you should be upright

Once you stop shooting you should be automatically in the free lean position again though

[woven obsidian]

IF IT HELPS
, the bug only occurs with the F90, on both PC and console, across all maps.
Still after recent updates
Since september 2025

[rocky plover]

Yes I remember it because it's most obvious with the f90 and it's been in the game for a while but tbh I haven't encountered it recently, is it still a problem?

[woven obsidian]

Yes
EVERYTIME you try to use that gun

[rocky plover]

IL try to remember to test it again

As ever since it got slightly nerfed and other weapons buffed it's not my main weapon anymore but il give it a go again

[woven obsidian]

The only way to use the F90 is avoid the free leaning but we all know how important that feature is
I know there are stronger and weaker weapons, but I would like to be able to use all the weapons in a game I paid for, simply because it’s fun. However, that bug makes the weapon unusable.

[rocky rover]

that is quite interesting. so not a hidden keypad combo wich frees you. are you able to tell where the shot goes ? like where youre aiming or where the aiming is while not free leaning ?

[rocky plover]

Yea agree with you, tbh I used to tolerate it but yea it's annoying

[woven obsidian]

Sorry for jumping in, but it’s like when you shoot while right free leaning, each shot pushes the character, as if the bullet had some strange collision.
The left free leaning works fine
The right is bugged

Maybe it’s related to the shell ejection.

[woven obsidian]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1493597361291788308

[woven obsidian]

This bug has been present for a very long time—at least a year, possibly even longer
Many people haven’t reported it because there are stronger weapons available.
However, I believe everyone should be able to use the weapons they want.
This bug should still be fixed even if almost no one uses this weapon.

[final ember]

how much flash rounds for the launcher do you get for one supply count?

[woven obsidian]

I hope there’s a way to bring this to the team’s attention so it can be fixed sooner or later, in any way possible.

[floral peak]

1

[final ember]

for real? damn. maybe not a good idea to equip my whole team with it unless I wanna sacrifice every other gadget

[floral peak]

Basically you have one full mag from start, and then +1 for each ammo

[floral peak]

Eh, AI has infinite ammo

[final ember]

thats weird. I once removed their primary ammo and they couldnt use their rifles

[hollow finch]

give them at least 1 mag they have infinite

none they cant use it

[final ember]

so just one supply point already gives them a full cylinder, but anything more than that adds 1 round per point?

[hollow finch]

for the gl yes

[floral peak]

For example, you select 1 ammo in armory, youll have One full mag + 1 in other

if you get 12, youll have 3 full mags

[final ember]

I see

@hollow finch@floral peak
thanks fellas, I'll keep that in mind

only reason I put GL on everyone is because team AI is weirdly passive with the beanbag

just now I caught a teammate just stand there with his shotgun while getting mowed down...

[solemn patio]

What if we got a retro dlc where we got to do like older swat missions from back in the 80s or 90s and when we did we were locked to classic guns, including a wood m14, 870 and maybe even fal?

Maybe m16a2s and CAR-15s but I hope to god a colt 733 or 723 if they go through with it

[woven obsidian]

Final report regarding this issue

I have been reporting this bug for over a year, both directly and through other users, but it has remained unresolved since the console release of the game.

The F90 becomes unusable due to a consistent free lean interaction bug that breaks aiming stability and control.

At this point, I just want to ensure the issue is properly acknowledged and passed to the development team for review.

If it cannot be addressed, that is understandable, but leaving a weapon in a non-functional state severely impacts gameplay consistency.

Thank you for your time and for looking into this.

[final ember]

wait I need to clarify this one more time
this only applies to players right? all the AI needs is one supply point for their primary, regardless of weapon

[rocky rover]

my AI team works with one only mag for primary and one for side weapons.
never dryed run !

so bunch of empty pockets To put tacticals into

[lost inlet]

why does my guy go back into darkness when i'm trying to change his pants?

[final ember]

alright thanks, just wanted to make sure this applies to the GL as well

[rocky rover]

erh sorry. cant confirm it. plus i cant remember a map i would have use so many grenades from launcher teammates go dry

[final ember]

you will when you try to S Rank

but so far it looks that they dont run out of GL rounds either so its all good

[rocky rover]

all right boss. lol. have some s rank ever.

[final ember]

just saying lol

you're very reliant on the GL flash when trying to s rank it
otherwise I rarely use less lethals tbh, i just kill everyone

[rocky rover]

yeah maybe anything with a mag and not "single object" like grenade are considerated infinite ammo, gl tazer etc..

ai is sometimes a pain in the ass, imagine they follow you like bunch of holligans BUT have no ammo cuz they full auto a guy in the very first rooms !

[woven obsidian]

Is there any way—any way at all—to get the F90 bug noticed or fixed?
Or even just acknowledged?

[final ember]

oh yeah the lack of magazine check can be huge problem

AI is too damn stupid to realize that you probably shouldnt breach a room with 3 rounds left in the mag

[rocky rover]

i am sorry i cant help you more on it and I get your dusappointment. must be here a dedicated channel to report bugs

[woven obsidian]

Don’t worry, I’ll probably be playing GTA 10 before I can use the F90 again, since I’ve already reported the bug three times in the “bug report” section.

[rocky rover]

no answer at all or some kind of reading confirmation like ?

cant ask dev to answer us all, but that discord is a good way for both players and devs

[woven obsidian]

The bug is present for everyone, but no one reports it because only a few people use the F90.

Only a few people have responded to me.

The devs told me via email to report it here, which I’ve already done three times.

In a Year

[rocky rover]

ahaha guess they leave as soon they see you online now

[woven obsidian]

Yeah it’s incredible

But it’s really not fair not to be able to use a weapon in a game I paid for.

[rocky rover]

like... you're from belgium to be such a fan of the gun ? (laughing, no actual answer requested)

[woven obsidian]

😂😂
Guess
I served in the Australian armed forces just for a few years.
And I’m absolutely in love with the F90
No joke
I’m obsessed with this bug

[rocky rover]

I wish I play idles of march. but now I AM handling the LMG

[glass heart]

look at me
i am the machinegunner now

[rocky rover]

tested weapon mod eventually ?

[woven obsidian]

It’s like a bullet to my heart to see the f90 in this state

[woven obsidian]

At home i have the pc but right now i play on console

[glass heart]

the f90 is pretty sweet in this game

[woven obsidian]

So i’m double stupid because i payed the game on console for the same bug

[glass heart]

most other rifles have way too much recoil for their caliber and the context

[vale plume]

So you had p90s since that .?

[glass heart]

iirc the f90 is the CQB variant and it has other barrel lengths too

[rocky rover]

I Will be stupid soon and buy it on pc to get access To swat4 maps modders made. but i need a new pc too 🤏

[woven obsidian]

Ironically, after the recent patches, the same issue that affects the F90 can now, in very rare cases, also occur with the P90 and other fast-firing weapons.

[glass heart]

havent seen any issues with either

but i wouldnt be surprised if recent patches broke stuff lol

its kind of a routine for this game

they fix one bug and 2 spring up in its place

[woven obsidian]

If you free lean on the right side sometimes if you use full auto the bullets push you on standard position
Every damn shot
Is not recoil is something like a collisions
Very strange
With the F90 happens every time
Rarerly with other weapons

[glass heart]

oh yeah ive seen that

it happens in semi too afaik

it has tripped me up so much when im trying to engage somebody

ill shoot and my screen jerks around

[rocky rover]

lateral recoil lol.

go for left handed rifle

[woven obsidian]

Yeah that what I mean
This bug HAPPENS since september 2025
It’s unacceptable
Because the free leaning it’s an important feature in RON
You can’t have a fun like that

[woven obsidian]

Yeah left free lean works fine
Right free lean Is like a dance whil shooting

[glass heart]

it pushes your entire character back towards your cover lol

its not any sort of recoil, something is seriously fucked with how free lean and the f90 interact

[woven obsidian]

I’m not a developer, but I think there is an issue with the F90, P90, etc., basically with the projectile ejection system of this type of weapon.

I believe it might be creating a collision or an invisible wall with the character.

[glass heart]

yeah its likely

because all the right side ejecting weapons never had this issue

and the cartridge cases are actual physics objects in ron

so if you lean right they go into the open instead of hitting any barriers

[woven obsidian]

Initially, after September, I thought it would be fixed with the patch that addressed the flying shell casings.

However, after the patch was released, the casings now fall to the ground, but the ejection still pushes the character.

It feels like using a Barrett .50 cal.

[elfin flame]

@trim jay #🎬ron-clips-and-media message
Assuming this hasn't been answered yet, when a suspect's stress level is high enough they'll run and hit a Fire Alarm, alerting everyone on that floor and likely making them push out and search for you.

[void grove]

Why are my allies actual idiots

[rocky plover]

The AI with 1 mag/slot = infinite mags but with flash launcher 0 slots still gives them infinite because it already has a full drum by default

[lost inlet]

when do you unlock the downstair area of the station?

[zinc lantern]

It’s blocked off until the next DLC changes the station. I think the only way to see it is through commander mode

[solemn patio]

Wish you could tell moving civs to get out or ask them for info on the elephant or any other levels

Imagine if civs could pick up suspect guns and shoot suspects for funny

[zinc lantern]

You can tell them to leave the area when they drop to their knees. They’ll run out to the trucks

[solemn patio]

Yeah thats stupid, maybe in yhe hesitation state you should be able to issue that order

Like yk the “stack up” auto order thing for doors

[solemn patio]

Maybe you could tell civs to follow you and assign them to a certain member of your team who has to watch them

[solemn patio]

To round em up but thatd be stupid

I mean would be fun to make a conga line of civs who immediately get shot through your arm and all die at once

[lost inlet]

yeah no, i don't wanna get penalized for shooting someone else who also had a gun in a active shooter.

[solemn patio]

Make it so you arent penalized then

[languid tide]

1. Why arent you detaining civs?
2. That would make them hostile; OPEN FIRE

[solemn patio]

Because in a active shooter situation you’re telling the civs to get tf out while you find the shooter

Atleast with schools and stufg

[elfin flame]

detaining civs on Active Shooter maps like Elephant is a terrible idea as it gives the shooters a free murder care package. Telling them to run to the exit is more effective

[languid tide]

Fair

Elephant is the schoolshooter map right?

[solemn patio]

Cant remember the name of the protocol but its what cops follow

[floral peak]

yeah

[lost inlet]

campus but yeah.

[elfin flame]

but letting civs pick up guns to fight alongside you is a stupid idea, frankly

[floral peak]

elephant is very easy

[lost inlet]

^

[solemn patio]

If a suspects corpse is found and theyve been getting shot at theyre gonna probably do whatever they can to defend themselves

Maybe the officer dude can shoot suspects, hes got lines for engaging them I believe

The resources officer

[elfin flame]

maybe, but if I hear SWAT in the building I wouldn't want to be caught by them with a gun in hand

[solemn patio]

If I was in an active shooter situation and found a dead body with a gun on it im taking the gun and hiding inside a closet

[elfin flame]

that is a wonderful way to get shot by both parties

[solemn patio]

Either that or gunning it and dropping it when i exit the building

[floral peak]

Dont worry, our LSPD SWAT is kindest unit on planet, they wouldnt even open fire on shooting suspect

[solemn patio]

AI swat be like

[solemn patio]

Im not thinking rationally in a situation like that im thinking about surviving the shooters

Doubt Id know if swat was there till they kicked the door in

And id get shot

[elfin flame]

that implies you're thinking rationally now with these silly plans

[solemn patio]

No Im putting myself in the shoes of a panicking civ here

[solemn patio]

Oh my

Did he eat a bee

[languid tide]

Or step on one?

[lost inlet]

no, he had to witnesses this conversation about an imaginary scenario in a game discussion.

[solemn patio]

I once had a bee fly into my mouth in like 1st grade or kindergarten

Okay i was wrong lets get off this topic and talk about the drug blend the dudes in ANA are smoking

[elfin flame]

sounds like you're putting yourself in the shoes of a wannabe hero. Either hide away and pray or stay low, avoid getting spotted and go for the exit. If guns are on the ground that likely means Cops are already in and engaging the shooters. Grabbing one yourself only makes you one of the targets.

[solemn patio]

I was wrong there

[elfin flame]

sorry, I was most of the way through typing that and didn't see you acknowledged

[solemn patio]

Can we talk about this now im done bullshitting

You reckon its crack cocaine or maybe a special MKUltra blend

[solemn patio]

Is bueno

[elfin flame]

frankly they're probably on a whole cocktail of stimulants, both from the streets (crack/meth) and more experimental stuff based on more conventional medication

[floral peak]

Canonicaly, they are MKultra soldiers

[elfin flame]

they are ex-USIA after all, unless I'm mistaken

[floral peak]

MLO is not really in USIA, they are subjects of their experiments

[solemn patio]

Its good I get the stupid ideas outta my head before I have the misfortune of being shot 90 times by SWAT and then have a battering ram thrown at my head

And then have my body shot 10 more times by a bubbad up sks with a duct tape scope

[solemn patio]

Hmm maybe bath salts

[glossy pebble]

oh I did not know that........thanks

[floral peak]

usually when timer hit half, you either already got the bombs or even completed the mission

[solemn patio]

A new american has arrived we got the experts i wanna hear the exact blends the MLO used in ANA

[floral peak]

Fent, crack, cocaine

[solemn patio]

Any bath salts?

[floral peak]

All of them a little

[solemn patio]

Real

[floral peak]

we gotta make them all rounded

[solemn patio]

Why are the MLO so aggressive though

[floral peak]

They remembered judge, he was a meanie

[glass heart]

theyre probably on speed at the very least

militaries regularly use amphetamines to make troops stay more alert

and they have done so for 90 years

[solemn patio]

Its not like even on a thousand drugs you wont fall over when i cap your knees with a mk18 with carry handle, 14.5 barrel, peq and kac foregrip

[glass heart]

pelvis shots are common when people are under the influence because of this reason

they may not feel pain due to the drugs but they are still destabilized by their pelvis breaking due to incoming fire

[elfin flame]

bro's got that SOPMOD build

[glass heart]

its the deployment special trust

[solemn patio]

Tempted to use the M5B or wtv

[glass heart]

only thing missing is the ACOG

[floral peak]

how bad its for a mission that i need to switch to stab vest for more slots to try get Hard S

[solemn patio]

I was going more towards cod 4 sopmod

[solemn patio]

Coughing baby vs zip tied hunting scope sks

To be specific which one wins in a fistfight

Am I on the MLO drug blend my bad

[solemn patio]

Can we get an acog and a canted SRO or RMR Please void

[glass heart]

it would be so peak

we need more 45 degree sights, the irons arent enough variety

[solemn patio]

I wanna larp as a vietnamese with an sks

Give sks pls void

[light apex]

Anyone wanna play

[glossy pebble]

i usually clear it fast but at that point like I would have taken so much damage and die easily

[floral peak]

If ever need help, im willing to assist

[glossy pebble]

thanks failed that mission like 30 times ngl

[solemn patio]

I got wallbanged too much on that level

[floral peak]

im free right now, so if you want we can do it together

[solemn patio]

The G3 suspects got wall hacks istg

[glass heart]

all of the suspects are fucked lol

[floral peak]

ANA still tops it

[glossy pebble]

I would love too but rn am busy doing an essay for college

[glass heart]

its just that most of them are too shittily armed for you to notice

[iron willow]

How is the USP45?

[floral peak]

i see, good luck

[glossy pebble]

can relate

[glass heart]

its a good pistol but its still a pistol

[iron willow]

Thanks

[glossy pebble]

thanks though

[rocky rover]

u mean S ranking Elephant map?

[glass heart]

s ranking that map doesnt feel good

all the shooters deserve to be taken out back and shot

[glossy pebble]

no.....like regular bro

[rocky rover]

I needed help from internet to do so. butfinally harded it

[floral peak]

well, its our job

we have to arrest everyone, not kill

[glossy pebble]

am new to muse and keyboard

[floral peak]

we are not military

[rocky rover]

no pb bro. there is a slight chance we can help for that... essay of yours. what is the field?

[rocky rover]

considering the usual discussion here, stats goes to "john wick" more than "bean bags" !

[glossy pebble]

integrals

[solemn patio]

300 blk jhp or 556 ap or 7.62 nato

[rocky rover]

ok nervermind lol

[glossy pebble]

lmao

[rocky rover]

I am not that worthy

so long to impress my audience with my non gaming skills!

[lost inlet]

good within its armor pen range.

[floral peak]

oh wow, i tried to join quick play and stumbled into Hard ANA 😭

i cannot escape it

[glossy pebble]

nah its fine...we need you for your gaming skills lol

[rocky rover]

very appreciated ❤️ 😄

[lost inlet]

wut?

[solemn patio]

Those are what ya gotta use there

[lost inlet]

._.

what was that?

[rocky rover]

is .300 worthy? probably never try it (or by mistake). what is the pointif you have choice between 5.56 and 7.62 ?

[lost inlet]

pretty sure ANA has lvl4 armor so JHP is out of the question.

[solemn patio]

In relapse brotha

[lost inlet]

when did we move onto relapse??

[lost inlet]

yes, best caliber to pick if you don't wanna think too much.

[rocky rover]

actually I love to overthink. but let's give it a chance (to caliber, not brain rest)

[lost inlet]

this is for hospital, right?

[solemn patio]

Recently

[rocky rover]

about caliber, any map could be in question

[solemn patio]

I use what looks cool or fits my cosplay usually

[lost inlet]

then yeah, .300 is still the best in general.

[solemn patio]

I tried to do an sas cosplay it looked ugly

[lost inlet]

same armor pen as 7.62x51mm but less recoil and consisent 2 shot.

[elfin flame]

and .300 typically has more ammo per mag than 7.62x51

[rocky rover]

that is hint I can get, thanks buddies

[lost inlet]

pretty much any rifles that is not 5.56 has the same armor pen value and consistent 2 shots with the exception of 7.62x51mm being capable of one shotting on certain maps on standard.

[languid tide]

Whats the best weapon for semi auto?

[lost inlet]

all.

you should be using semi auto only anyway.

[languid tide]

I cant carry all weapons, so which one is the best

For note: im on ana

[lost inlet]

ARN-180.

[sweet fractal]

yea or any weapon chambered in 300. BLKOUT

[sweet fractal]

with the vertical grip and micro T dot you sir have a deadly weapon

[lost inlet]

ARN to be specific. LVAR and DDM has quite a bit of muzzle kick.

[sweet fractal]

arn is def better than all other 300. blkout weapons, dont attack me please

[zinc lantern]

ARN-180 my beloved

[lost inlet]

you can have muzzle brake option instead of being stuck to silencer or non working silencer at all.

[lost inlet]

ain't nothing to worry about when you're speaking fax.

[sweet fractal]

muzzle brake is better, and suppressor altho good just makes the gun more chaotic, just use a muzzlebrake and youll be thankfull

[floral peak]

i ❤️ helping ppl with S ranks

[rocky rover]

now I want to test thoses .300 in every maps

thanks officers to make me out of my confort zone. let's put that MK17 at retirement for a while

[sweet fractal]

You wont be disappointed

[rocky rover]

according to stats, why ARN more than MCX for instance?

[ivory geyser]

Can't say the word unalive in this server lmao

[cerulean hornet]

guys im at the new america mission. Finished it with my AI dudes, but I swear to god all i need to do is find the last civilian but ive been looking everywhere for them. Anyone have any idea what to do lol

[floral peak]

Run around and yell

[cerulean hornet]

i did it

[floral peak]

check corners for hiding ones

[cerulean hornet]

i fricking did it guys

[floral peak]

use chemlights to mark checked areas

[cerulean hornet]

🙏 she was in the top bathroom on the left side

[rocky rover]

oh man, a civisstucked under a furniture

struggling at exit it. guess it will be a quick mission

[floral peak]

just had 5 suspects on standart elephant

something wrong

[void grove]

Do your officers matter

[rocky rover]

oh yeah. suprising update maybe. where on hard I guess

[floral peak]

we were on standart, 5 should be only on hard usually

[rocky rover]

to me it is 3-4 in standard, 4 in hard

and always have it when played the map

[floral peak]

i always had 4 on standart, 5 on hard

Always

[rocky rover]

will the 5th guest start shooting civ a little min after the run start like the 4 others dick heads?

[rocky rover]

hmmm. make me doubt so. can't be a difference becuz of PS5/PC

[floral peak]

yeah it cant be

maybe the lobby that i joined is just modded

[rocky rover]

yeah, ask for admin

[floral peak]

yeah alright its surely modded

he talking about "i had once 32 suspects on A New America"

[rocky rover]

just took a look at the magic spreadsheet, confirming 4 suspects on elephant, independant from the difficulty

[floral peak]

and some "realism mode"

[rocky rover]

the guy dont like soft play

[floral peak]

i wouldve gave up on hard S a long time if it was 30+ suspects

never in my life im doing this shit

not with this SWAT AI

[void grove]

solo

john wick

[floral peak]

there no amount of ammo saving me

even if i run with stab vest

[wide tree]

can anyone help me get sleeper agent achievement for some reson it isnt giving it to me even if i do everything it tells me to

[chilly dock]

What's the best shotgun in the game?

[lost inlet]

b1301.

[rocky rover]

wah ok lol. running on sins of the father. arriving on hostage situation, I shot. got the hostage. I shot again and miss the vilain. I hear one shot: red screen, mission is over

I swear Iwas good

[lost inlet]

lul.

[rocky rover]

but the .300 MCX didnt betrayed me

[lost inlet]

MCX doesn't uses .300 blk.

[late elbow]

How can i get to work the mission mods in RON because i downloaded like 10 but the others dont work because they are old? but i want more missions

[rocky rover]

oh come on, I choose that one especially to try.300 !

[lost inlet]

the game made it pretty clear that it uses 5.56 instead.

[rocky rover]

that is a very polite way to say I shit it

[chilly dock]

What is the biggest Map/Mission in the game?

[copper dome]

590m >

[languid tide]

Thanks man! Ur the goat

And you have incredible game knowledge, nice one mate

[obsidian garnet]

imagine if s rank was a requirement for programmed psychosis

[languid tide]

Wait its not?

[elfin flame]

nope, Programmed Psychosis just requires you to complete the mission on Hard while solo

rank does not matter, only mission success

[languid tide]

GUYS DONT FREAK OUT

I finally arrested the vip person in ana

But I am not done yet, i need to secure all hostiles. How much you betting that I fumble

[languid tide]

I didnt fumble, threat secured

[elfin flame]

hell yeah, love to see it

[short bough]

is commander mode played in chronological order or is it the same as quick play?

[rocky plover]

Same as QP

[short bough]

alright guess i’ll be playing quick play, i want to play the game in chronological order now that i’ve beaten it. Was hoping to play commander mode now but eh

[rocky plover]

Yeah they should have made commander mode chronological, I guess the only advantage with commander mode is the officer traits but tbh I prefer QP

[short bough]

fair enough

[onyx swift]

That would be kinda horrid lol

Imagine getting sent into Neon Tomb or something so early

Correct me on the timeline if wrong, but doesn't Neon Tomb and Relapse take place soon after Thank You, Come Again?

New players would get sent to the trenches

and yeah I also prefer QP, because I can restart faster and not worry about Officer traits and casualities

[rocky plover]

I mean the current order still doesn't make sense in terms of difficulty so might as well stick to timeline order

For commander mode at least

[rocky plover]

Ye same I don't like dealing with the stress stuff

[onyx swift]

Current order puts most of the harder stuff near the middle and end imo, only like Ides of March is that much of a hard one near the start

[rocky plover]

And restarting on QP is definitely much easier and faster

[onyx swift]

Maybe Twisted Nerve too

Harder to see from it being the dead of night and all those corridors

[rocky plover]

Eh tbh it's like easy, hard, easy again, then hard then super hard

It's still doesn't make that much sense

[onyx swift]

I'd say that's better to have, especially when Ironman also exists

Those tiny breaks between harder missions are a blessing

[rocky plover]

But yea I get what you mean with timeline order some of the most hardest missions will be in the beginning

[onyx swift]

Such as Ends of the Earth

[rocky plover]

Yeah the only reasoning is because since people associate commander mode with the campaign it could make sense to have the missions in the timeline order but yeah difficulty wise it would be harder especially for new players which is their first pick when starting playing (choosing commander mode)

[onyx swift]

I just looked up the timeline from a Steam post, yeah it'd be so scuffed lol

Let me show an example:

Thank You, Come Again - February 3, 2025 - 23:00 (11:00 PM)
Neon Tomb - April 19, 2025 - 01:00 (1:00 AM)
Relapse - May 8, 2025 - 12:30 (12:30 PM)
Carriers of the Vine - June 1, 2025 - 14:30 (2:30 PM)
A Lethal Obsession - August 20, 2025 - 14:25 (2:25 PM)
Twisted Nerve - September 29, 2025 - 03:30 (3:30 AM)
Stolen Valor - September 29, 2025 - 04:25 (4:25 AM)
Ides of March - October 1, 2025 - 11:00 (11:00 AM)
Sins of the Father - October 2, 2025 - 09:30 (9:30 AM)
Hunger Strike - October 3, 2025 - 17:00 (5:00 PM)
Rust Belt - October 15, 2025 - 14:30 (2:30 PM)
Elephant - October 17, 2025 - 09:30 (9:30 AM)
Greased Palms - October 25, 2025 - 11:35 (11:35 AM)

Imagine being new and having to go through even half of that first

[rocky plover]

Yea I'm not disagreeing with you just looking at it from both perspectives

[onyx swift]

Maybe they could add it as an option at least

[rocky plover]

Yea true

[onyx swift]

Similar to how Ironman is also an option

[rocky plover]

Yea

[onyx swift]

The next Mission to happen "irl" will be Mirage at Sea in 2027 too, just as trivia

Last one was Narcos, this February

[rocky plover]

Neon tomb as a second map though, imagine the refunds pouring in 😂

[onyx swift]

yup

Relapse right afterwards too

[rocky plover]

Hahahah

[onyx swift]

Then you get A Lethal Obsession to Stolen Valor as "tiny" breaks

Right before it's back to the worst stuff

[rocky plover]

Yea lol

[onyx swift]

It's pretty funny, other than the very first mission, some of the easier ones are near last (until DLC missions)

[onyx swift]

Ends of the Earth - December 3, 2025 - 14:25 (2:25 PM)
23 Megabytes A Second - December 8, 2025 - 10:30 (10:30 AM)
Sinuous Trail - December 15, 2025 - 20:00 (8:00 PM)
The Spider - December 21, 2025 - 13:25 (1:25 PM)

[rocky plover]

Yea was gonna say where's ends of the earth lol

[onyx swift]

Right after Greased lol

[rocky plover]

Since difficulty wise I would put that right after thank you come again lol

[onyx swift]

Valley of the Dolls - January 5, 2026 - 19:35 (7:35 PM)
Buy Cheap, Buy Twice - February 10, 2026 - 04:40 (4:40 AM)
Hide and Seek - February 18, 2026 - 02:15 (2:15 AM)

Those are right after The Spider, and the final ones

[rocky plover]

Hahahaha

[onyx swift]

Ends off with some of the "intermediate to hard" ones again

[rocky plover]

Hmmm yea so still with the same problem of easy, hard, easy again, hard then super hard xD

[onyx swift]

After Hide and Seek, all DLC missions are in release order

oh wait no

Home Invasion is out of order, I think

Lawmaker - February 19, 2026 - 04:40 (4:40 AM)
Dorms - February 20, 2026 - 06:45 (6:45 AM)
Narcos - February 25, 2026 - 19:50 (7:50 PM)

[rocky plover]

Is it?

Oh

[ocean steeple]

anyone wanna squad up later?

[onyx swift]

The other ones seem to be in order

[rocky plover]

Ah I see

[fresh slate]

iam kinda new but i am down to play

[willow sequoia]

Why is the 3rd DLC so hard?!

[void grove]

Its not

[elfin flame]

Just to clarify, do you mean Boiling Point (3rd purchasable DLC but technically 4th DLC overall) or Los Suenos Stories (3rd DLC overall, but free to own)?

[elfin flame]

Difficulty is subjective; what's easy for you could be hard for others, and what's hard for you could be easy for others. Don't put others down because they can't do what you do

[onyx swift]

I'd guess Boiling Point, given how demanding at least two of the missions are, compared to LSS

I'd agree with DrPrestilence too, A New America on STANDARD is worse than some of the Hard S Ranks I've done

Including with Beanbag at times (though of course the Flashbang Launcher is OP and a staple now)

[willow sequoia]

Los Suenos Stories

[onyx swift]

oh dang

I stand corrected

[elfin flame]

honestly I hear Hunger Strike can be a pain because of how fast they'll start popping civs

[onyx swift]

yeah that is true

I once had it where I rang off one shot on Hunger Strike for Hard, and then like 5 Suspects came one by one through a hallway to shoot at me + another one or two upstairs killed the Civs

Clown car kind of shenanigans

absolute chaos

[elfin flame]

Someone last night did post a guide for Hunger Strike, and I'll see if I can pull the message link down here. As for Stolen Valor (the apartment building), it's mostly watch that fire escape stairway and the windows, check corners and be careful when entering the Veteran's room

[onyx swift]

Stolen Valor is easiest when you take it top to bottom imo

Clear the outside and bottom floor if need be, then take the fire escape and go top to bottom

[elfin flame]

Hunger Strike strat from James Bond:
#👮ron-discussion message
(that is asuming you're playing with AI teammates)

[onyx swift]

Aiming up on those stairwells + having Suspects potentially run out of the rooms is a pain

[willow sequoia]

Hunger Strike alone killed half of my squad that I had since day 1 of my run

Stolen Valor killed the rest

[elfin flame]

oh damn

The only other advice I can think of is practice practice practice. Try doing runs in Quick Play until you can get it done consistently (taking breaks when necessary)

the best teacher is experience, and video games give you the benefit of being able to mess up with minimal consequences

[willow sequoia]

Holy fuck it's like I'm just playing the game for the first time lol

[scarlet flax]

Hunger Strike is the hardest on that DLC imo on Hard simply because it forces you to clear things very quickly and work less precise.

[scarlet flax]

Can you true solo S rank that shit?

[hardy marlin]

whats the best rifle caliber?

[storm belfry]

Do all guns one tap head shot?

[fresh slate]

i so need help on levathin

[low tulip]

What are you trying to acomplish on Leviathan?

[low tulip]

If you're trying to save all hostages and go for an S or even harder an A+ then yes Hunger Strike is def one of the hardest missions for that.

It's a super fast paced mission

You're basically speed running it

[rose vine]

Just clear everything with crouching and freelook peeking

And have good aim and util usage

[low tulip]

The smooth lean/crouch comes in clutch

[elfin flame]

that too, but good aim and util deployment comes with experience

[rose vine]

I mean like only if you haven't played like any other fps game before

Then sure

[elfin flame]

doesn't mean you can't get better

[rose vine]

True

[buoyant crater]

Hi guys

Why dose my message s keep getting deleted

[low tulip]

The mods should send you an automatic message to your inbox telling you why.

Might take a minute or two to come in

[polar pollen]

for the trophy sleeper agent any tips

[low tulip]

If you posted it in any channel other than the Looking-for-players channel then it will get deleted. Make sure to post it in the proper channel.

[coral tapir]

There seems to be circumstances where it doesn't, primarily happen to lower end calibers like 9x19 or 4.6x30, this is inconsistent though.

From my experience it happens in Relapse for both calibers.

[low tulip]

Do we know if the devs are fixing the pathing code so AI teammates don't abandone the squad?

Also. AI teammates inability to get a flashbang through the door and being aim botted through walls?

[spark haven]

Has anyone done the last DLC mission on hard solo yet?

[winter pendant]

Somebody has, I myself have 90 recorded attempts and am still trying

I've heard freelean abuse is secret sauce but I have so far resisted

Also flashbang launcher

Me tho I'm either doing mirrorgun and stealth, or shield with the big ol .50 grizzly mk-5 or whatever (which does leave primary slot open for launcher)

[red drum]

Did Ready or not get an update? Because quads are down even tho nods aren't active

[spark haven]

I'm still trying to beat it with the AI LOL

They keep getting heads headshot by the enemies every time

I can't imagine solo on hard at that. Especially as ammo box is way later in the map

[elfin flame]

I still haven't found that ammo box btw, where is it?

[spark haven]

Think it's at the top of the stairs that go 2 ways

Near the very top end of the map. Been a bit since I tried the map as still trying to S rank the other 2. Did also finally beat the bank map without armor or shield or grenades

[regal tundra]

Yeah it’s on the 4th floor, near the elevators in an inconspicuous wooden box

Once you get up the stairs, face the elevators and it’s slightly behind you and to your left. If you’re facing the metal detector it’s to your right behind the railing

[regal tundra]

If not using flash launcher it’s pretty much impossible without max free lean

[uncut cliff]

I had a good chance of completing programmed psychosis but I lost connection to the servers when I was tryna breach the courtroom

[winter pendant]

I'm just saying if I were the level designer I would have made the ammo crate the orange tub with all the loaded m4 mags that you find in the signal jammer room that actually looks like an ammo crate that you could interact with Rather than the closed wooden crate, which is not unique or visually notable in any way

[regal tundra]

Yeah it’s weird

[uncut cliff]

You’d think it would be like that, since that’s what’s at the shooting range

[winter pendant]

Uh huh 🙃

[wind pike]

How does one clear sins of the father in Ironman?

[void grove]

shoot everything

[scarlet flax]

What is dis ammo box?

Soft objective?

[elfin flame]

apparently it's a resupply point

[scarlet flax]

Like…. For the player’s ammo?

[elfin flame]

from what I hear, yeah

[trim jay]

Ohh alright, i guess theres a few factors that triggers this, thanks

[regal tundra]

Yes, it functions just like the ammo boxes in the shooting range

refills your spare mags and all gadgets

[scarlet flax]

Oh. Well I guess I’ve never seen one in a level before so I was surprised about it.

[regal tundra]

Yeah this is the only map that has one so far

[spark haven]

Still don't get why it's the last mission solo on hard. NGL should be solo but on standard difficulty

[elfin flame]

it's a test of skill and willpower

[wide scaffold]

Brute force valley of the dolls is so fun

[lilac thicket]

Anyone have tips for sins of the father

[unkempt granite]

any tips for s ranking 3 letter triat?

[wide scaffold]

Is 3 letter triat a dlc mission?

[unkempt granite]

yeah

[wide scaffold]

Which one

[unkempt granite]

last mission from dark waters

[strong acorn]

When’s the next update

[wide scaffold]

Idk just give every AI flash and gas grenade launchers and get yourself a bean bag

[spark haven]

I got a S rank with me using the flash, AI had beanbag and pepper ball ages ago. But for the achievement to arrest or kill 15 guys within 15 seconds of the last. Me and AI had the flash and yeah cleared it so easy even with a S rank

[wide scaffold]

Idk i wouldn't use flash grenade launcher because it can deal friendly fire and that happens OFTEN

[spark haven]

Think they removed that

I know a while ago it did and made the post office mission a pain but I'm pretty sure it doesn't do team DMG now

[wide scaffold]

So that postal service mission that took me hours and unholy amount of nerves wasted was for nothing

[spark haven]

Depends how long ago it was

[wide scaffold]

Before boiling point

[spark haven]

I got S rank base maps ages ago like first month the game was on Xbox

I'll try it RN to see if team DMG still happens

[spark haven]

Update just tried it and no team DMG

[wide scaffold]

Sweet

[spark haven]

Even shot a AI team mate in the face

No -15 score or whatever for team DMG

So S rank should be way easier

I know my friend had trouble on the night club map. Told him use the flash M32 as I was told AI get unlimited ammo and first try he got it

[low tulip]

Wedges. Prevents being flanked and you can control to flow of suspects and funnel them to specific areas.

[spark haven]

Really helps on some maps yeah

Wedges FTW especially the sniper hotel mission can make the AI come from 1 side of the big room and the rooms that all connect 1 single path

[low tulip]

Yeah wedges are useful in literally all maps. Wedges are the most valuable tool in the game.

[wide scaffold]

Deadass NEVER used a wedge EVER

[upper ridge]

Did you ever get flanked and died from that?

[wide scaffold]

No i just shoot everything with my shotgun

Or that rifle that's the strongest one in the game

Ion remember it's name

[ocean steeple]

have you done all the missions?

[upper ridge]

The SA58?

[wide scaffold]

I s ranked every base mission but didn't get my hands on los suenos stories

[wide scaffold]

Yep

[ocean steeple]

i thought it was the one that took the creedmoor

the RTWC

[upper ridge]

Question, anyone here obsessed with replicating common realistic LAPD loadouts that could help me set them up for Commander mode? I suppose that would be taking into account the roles of for each from entry team.

[ocean steeple]

for guns LAPD swat use the HK416 and glock 19

[upper ridge]

Everyone on a team?

[ocean steeple]

yes real life SWAT doesn’t have certain guns dedicated to their role only tools

Unless its a specialised situation then sometimes they’ll be equipped with remingtons or benellis

[upper ridge]

I thought they were leaving shotguns in general

[meager stump]

they shouldn't though

[ocean steeple]

depends on the department but LAPD uses them

[wide scaffold]

Are the guns used in the game accurate to real life? Like does SWAT actually use those guns

[ocean steeple]

patrol officers are also equipped with the FN 509 with a red dot and have either the benelli or remington inside of their cars at all times

[ocean steeple]

for the most part yes.

like i said it varies though.

[wide scaffold]

Which ones aren't? Less lethal ones or grenade launchers?

[ocean steeple]

No both of those exist irl

and they are in use by law enforcement

[wide scaffold]

I know they exist but i don't know if SWAT would actually use them

[ocean steeple]

yes but usually not flash rounds. Only gas

[wide scaffold]

I mean flash does sound too dangerous

[upper ridge]

Not all of them, take in mind Ready or Not alters things justifying them with the game's plot. LSPD are understaffed and overworked, its why we see 5 officers instead of 10 or more when doing raids (as they do IRL). Its also why we see them using guns like the SA58 for when they deal with terrorists and what not, which is not commonly a job for them (dealing with terrorists) as far as i know.

[ocean steeple]

They have a trick where if a suspect is barricaded inside of something like a house and they’re trying to flush them out they’ll go and tie a winch onto the door of said house and the other end to their MRAPS and then pry the door off the house with the MRAP

then after that they’ll use those launchers to fire tear gas into the room to hopefully flush them out

[spark haven]

G3A3 is my favorite BR

Scar is close 2nd, I don't care for thr Sa-58 as recoil is worse. New 6.5 is decent

[glass heart]

american police basically only use ARs

which ar that is doesnt really matter, all the ar pattern rifles are probable options

you will not find G3s and AKs with most agencies

[wide scaffold]

Idk why'd they use anything else as primary weapons

[glass heart]

they dont lol

the ar is good enough, it has a massive supply and accesorry market, and its super modular

[wide scaffold]

Good for them ig

[glass heart]

the ar design is pretty much the pinnacle of rifle design because its that modular

there are uppers from .50 bmg to .22 and everything in between

so a department naturally would use this kind of weapon for a long gun

[upper ridge]

What about the rest of their loadout?

[ocean steeple]

thats literally it

[glass heart]

usually they carry fewer mags and flashes than we are forced to in game

[wide scaffold]

Makes sense

[glass heart]

1-2 flashbangs per man and 3-4 mags

[ocean steeple]

90% of swat operations arent even entry

[glass heart]

but there are 15-20 guys minimum, on larger calls thats more

[ocean steeple]

😭

[glass heart]

yeah i know most calls involve standing around for half a day lol

[ocean steeple]

yup lmao

[wide scaffold]

I think they carry less mags because well they don't mag dump suspects like we do in the game

[glass heart]

out of like 1200 calls in a year less than 50 end with a use of force, and out of those very few end with shots fired

[upper ridge]

Then what about swat entry teams? What do they carry?

[glass heart]

they very rarely shoot people

[ocean steeple]

there is no specific entry team

[kind moth]

guys, whats the difference between 9 bang and regular flashbang

[glass heart]

every single mission in this game is a once in a lifetime mission for real teams

[rocky raptor]

You seen the news? A swat guy got caught lacking while a standoff in a app similar to tinder

[ocean steeple]

its all just one group

[glass heart]

9 bangs do more morale damage to anyone caught in them but they have a smaller radius

[rocky raptor]

9 bang has a shorter time to blow up and less range

[glass heart]

9 bangs have 5 meter radius, regular bangers have 10 meters

[wide scaffold]

I would think that happens more often with the gun situatiion in US

[unkempt granite]

what does this mean?

[kind moth]

so in a open field, it is recommended to use regular flashbang than 9 bang?

[glass heart]

im talking about the us, most swat calls end with no violence

[unkempt granite]

like what difference does morale damage make

[elfin flame]

more morale damage, the faster they surrender

[glass heart]

even the most hardened criminals know that fighting swat is a horrible idea

[ocean steeple]

@upper ridge Usually if they do get the call to enter which is extremely rare they’ll have someone breaching with the ram but thats about it

[glass heart]

the big departments have explosives and nods but dont use them as recklessly as we do in the gameplay

[wide scaffold]

Well fuckfaces in valley of the dolls don't think so

[glass heart]

flashbangs too are employed more responsibly than in ron

[glass heart]

you cant model this in game cuz then you dont have a good first person shooter lol

ron is an fps first, swat game second

[upper ridge]

But what about their armor? What about night vision? What utilities do they carry? (Gas, Flashes, etc)

[hexed oyster]

how do i draw out enemies?

[wide scaffold]

Yeah swat game first would be so fucking boring

[glass heart]

shine your light and yell

[ocean steeple]

yeah you gotta keep in mind of shit like epilepsy and other people/children that could be in the house. One wrong flash and then you’ve got a dead person on your hands

[glass heart]

the utilities present in game are all realistic besides the optiwand

thats not used by any tactical organization

[kind moth]

im getting my sanity down trying to S grade valley of the dolls solo

[wide scaffold]

Like solo without AI?

[kind moth]

yup

[ocean steeple]

i mean i’ve heard rumors it exists its just useless because there needs to be space under the doorway for it

[wide scaffold]

Good fucking luck 😭

[ocean steeple]

Mirrorguns and cornershots do exist however though

[hexed oyster]

thank u, how do i give my swat team breaks

[rocky raptor]

All by yourself or with AI?

[glass heart]

also the bad guy is probably gonna hear you fucking with the door

[ocean steeple]

yup 💀

[glass heart]

spam 4u with flash launchers

[kind moth]

i rather play by myself cause i have no idea how to give orders to ai properly

[kind moth]

yea

[glass heart]

and then you start slinging hate through the doorway and someone gets killed

odds are stacked against the suspect

[upper ridge]

Thats not what im asking

[ocean steeple]

and that means a desperate suspect

[glass heart]

the exact loadout is determined by an operators specialty and department policy

there are thousands of agencies in the US alone, most with some sort of swat team

[wide scaffold]

Open and clear with a flashbang is all you need basically

[glass heart]

so you dont have a singular answer

[ocean steeple]

@upper ridge think of each swat team in each different city as its own countries military

they’re all different

[glass heart]

and it varies by country too ofcourse

[upper ridge]

But im asking strictly LAPD

[ocean steeple]

i gave you the LAPD equipment

[hexed oyster]

can enemies see my laser

[upper ridge]

Just two guns? rlly? Nothing about their armor?

[glass heart]

you'll quickly get the hang of how to use them, theyre better than just soloing

[glass heart]

they use ceramic armor, im betting with sideplates too

level 4 plates

thats the standard for any tactical organization these days

[rocky raptor]

No, only the flashlight as far as I know

[glass heart]

nope

[ocean steeple]

nah LAPD uses kevlar

[glass heart]

swat definitely does not just use kevlar

patrol officers yeah sure

[ocean steeple]

I just looked it up

[upper ridge]

we talking SWAT LAPD entry teams here, not patrol

[kind moth]

if the ai were dead, can they be deployed again?

[glass heart]

if youre in commander and a guy dies you have to replace them after the mission

[rocky raptor]

In quick play they respawn like nothing happened

[kind moth]

so you basically needs the whole squad to engage a mission?

[upper ridge]

Ok, what about night vision? Do entry teams commonly use it?

[ocean steeple]

@glass heart they use lvl 3

[upper ridge]

What about anti-flash goggles?

[ocean steeple]

the bigger departments have access to it but its not really necessary as most situations are probably gonna be a suspect barricaded in a house

[rocky raptor]

Not really, you can go in without enough officers, I think the game fills the empty spaces automatically if you have officers in your rooster

[glass heart]

thought so

[ocean steeple]

ATF and feds use lvl 4

[glass heart]

only big departments have access, and they dont use it that often

because you need people to know youre cops lol

else youre gonna kill someone who shouldnt have gotten killed

[ocean steeple]

As a swat officer your job isn’t to kill

its to defuse and detain

lethal force is only a last resort

[glass heart]

im saying they dont use nods because cops dont roll in the dark killing people like military guys do

[ocean steeple]

that too

[glass heart]

in most of the situations in this game tho they would lol

[glass heart]

20+ armed suspects is gonna get roe thrown out the window real quick

[ocean steeple]

Internal affairs when they read the report of D-platoons latest op (there were 15 fatalities)

[glass heart]

IA when they see me deadcheck people like its fallujah

[ocean steeple]

judge should realistically be sitting in the hague 😭

[glass heart]

im seriously betting that in some of these missions real cops would also deadcheck

[wide scaffold]

If suspects start shooting lowk just mag dump them

[glass heart]

especially when s-vests are involved

nobody wants to fuck with explosives and true believers

[ocean steeple]

No you don’t mag dump you shoot to incapacitate

center mass 3 shots

[glass heart]

you dont strictly shoot the incapacitate, you shoot center mass until the threat is stopped

whether that means dead or very injured is irrelevant

[wide scaffold]

Then why tf do we get less points in the game for incapacitating

[glass heart]

you dont

[wide scaffold]

I literally do

[golden trellis]

guys how come in multiplayer it shows i did s rank on this level, but in singleplayer it says incomplete?

[glass heart]

killing someone and incapacitating someone is the same points

arresting them alive is more

[ocean steeple]

Thats another fucked up thing that varies by city though

[wide scaffold]

I meant less than not killing and incapacitating

[ocean steeple]

its another policy tha the DA can hang you for in some places

[glass heart]

usually when youre being shot at youre gonna shoot back, a lot

there have been cases where swat has shot people dozens of times

[ocean steeple]

Yeah but what i’m saying is you’d be surprised how fucked you can get for even doing that

especially in todays times

[fallen osprey]

not even just swat, regular officer shot a dude 17 times after he pulled a gun on them during a pursuit and was found not guilty of any wrongdoing

[glass heart]

if someone is worth shooting once theyre worth shooting 70 times xd

[fallen osprey]

nypd like a year ago btw

[glass heart]

thats just a normal magdump

like i said, if hes worth shooting once hes worth shooting a lot more

[ocean steeple]

I’m not saying i don’t agree but the DA of most blue cities sure as hell may not agree 💀

[glass heart]

if it was up to me anyone that shoots at swat does not get arrested lol

they simply dont make it out of there

i sure wouldnt like to arrest someone that just tried to kill me and my friends

[ocean steeple]

ROE still apply like you said. If they shoot and give up you can’t just shoot them 💀

thats civil liability and that will get you sent to prison

[glass heart]

i know thats how it is

but im saying i wouldnt like to take someone alive if they killed my teammate or shot at me

[glass heart]

funny enough the game only starts to care when they are fully settled in their animation

if they put their hands up but theyre still standing you can pop them in the head no problem

[ocean steeple]

IA bouta have a field day with this one 😭

[glass heart]

i had a girl surrender in the open in carriers and she wouldnt fully get down and i couldnt get to her because it was an open area i was gonna clear later so i just shot her in the head xd

better than having her pick up her weapon again and ambush me

i generally ask 3 times

if i dont have compliance by the third one theyre getting domed

[glass heart]

imma be real with the state of ls being what it is these guys probably have a super lax ROE lmao

[ocean steeple]

i mean Los Suenos is legit a warzone so probably

[glass heart]

this one unit has gotten into 30 shootouts with more than 5 deaths each

in the span of like a year and a bit?

kinda crazy stuff

[glass heart]

the mlo is closer to the taliban than they are to any normal criminals lmao

[ocean steeple]

they have to be getting hazard pay too bc there’s absolutely no way

[ocean steeple]

The hand literally IS the taliban my guy 😭

[glass heart]

na the hand is more like black september

they seem secular and more focused on yemen rather than religious fundamentalism

[glass heart]

i wonder how many officers would die irl in these situations

probably would be a shitshow ngl

[ocean steeple]

probably a lot because these are military level ops

these would go straight to FBI HRT

[glass heart]

nah they wouldnt have the time to get them ready

an ANA scenario would have LASD and LAPD get all of their machineguns in play

lapd has a couple of M60s and LASD has some M240s

hell they might just skip straight to deploying ng and kill everyone in sight

mlo cant really do shit when your fragging every room and hallway and firehosing them down with machinegun fire

[spark haven]

BTW did they finally fix the custom classes resetting or auto deleting?

[unkempt granite]

finally did all dark waters missions on s rank

i had to spam move in and clear at the last part of 3 letter triad but it's not the first time i have to

[wild stream]

Do they ever plan on adding the dlc tracks to the official soundtrack list that I bought on steam

[velvet steeple]

It’s generally annoying as hell that suspects can instantly start shooting though a C4 blasted door if it didn’t stun them

meanwhile we can’t see shit because it’s a fucking explosion

[glass heart]

they also see through gas and darkness perfectly lmao

also, you cant suppress them but they can suppress you

also, they can sprint while shooting you to pieces and you cant even waddle quickly

[ocean steeple]

do you and a couple other guys wanna run a few rounds? I can’t seem to find anyone in the LFG channel

[glass heart]

sure thing

[ocean steeple]

i’m in channel 8 in VC

[hexed oyster]

night missions suck

all of my crew resigned

[unkempt granite]

bring a flashlight, white phosphorus for the NVGS and make sure they're the second option which has 4 lenses

also what mission is it?

[hexed oyster]

twisted nerv

i couldnt find the last suspect and he ambushed us with a shotgun

also it took like 30 mins to clear out the whole map..

[unkempt granite]

it's a really cqb map, so bring a shotgun

[hexed oyster]

im using pdw's

[unkempt granite]

that works too i think? i've never really used one

[void grove]

Does killing people still give maximum points

[unkempt granite]

for S ranks? no you gotta bring non lethal, but you can still get a+ from what i remember

as long as you shoot within reason of course and complete everything

[void grove]

Thats stupid

[unkempt granite]

is a swat game

there's ROE

[glass heart]

just get no mercy for terrorists from nexus

that way you get full points for killing people

[unkempt granite]

it trivializes s ranks to nothing but yeah

jsut think of max points/s ranks as a way to challenge yourself into not killing anyone and doing everything perfectly

also keep in mind you sometimes have to arrest an x amount of suspects or arrest some dude alive

[upper ridge]

SWAT saves lives, it makes sense

[void grove]

Do you use the flashbang launcher?

[unkempt granite]

it's the best gun for s ranks

[void grove]

No it trivializes it

[unkempt granite]

if you give it all your slots and give the AI a launcher it can really help

[unkempt granite]

yeah but keep in mind that even while going 11 slots for it you only get like 18 so it's very ammo hungry

so the option to bring a beanbag or pepper is still there

[upper ridge]

So how would a common SWAT LAPD loadout be? 2 primary AP mags and 1 JHP secondary? What about 9-bang flashes? CS gas? Regular flashbangs? Stingers? C2s? Lockpick guns? Pepper sprays? Tasers and wedges?

Do they use ballistic masks? Helmets? Anti-Flash goggles or Gas masks?

[void grove]

We shouldn't have access to anything that trivializes the game or makes it loads easier

[glass heart]

swat uses soft point sounds, closer to jhp in-game because of the dangers of overpenetration
usually closer to 3 mags per man

lapd in specific uses regular flashbangs to my knowledge

stingers arent really used in room clearing though, only for riot control

gas masks are employed only if ther are NBC hazards around or the team is employing gas

lockpick guns kinda suck, and nobody lockpicks in real life

if a door is locked, you breach it

picking locks is for overseas work

[unkempt granite]

google's AI search says 3-6 30 round rifle mags, 2-4 spare for pistol, 2-3 flashbangs/gas, and i think gadgets depend on mission briefing relaly

[unkempt granite]

and yeah what he's saying

[upper ridge]

AI says they use assigned roles, pointman, breacher, scout, medic and long cover

[glass heart]

pointman isnt really a set role

your roles during cqb flow are dynamic, not static

yes you will move people around to an extent but whos pointman changes depending on how you flow in

the others yeah are set based on equipment

[upper ridge]

then wth was this?

[glass heart]

they dont have different weapons lol

everyone in the actual entry team has the same shit

a medic has the same rifle as a breacher, their defining gear is not their primary weapon but the other stuff they carry (and their skillset)

[upper ridge]

Ok i understand now

[upper ridge]

So what other stuff does each role carry? Commonly in LAPD SWAT

[glass heart]

a breacher would usually have a ram or a shotgun, medics would have an IFAK and other medical equipment

you would only get a totally correct answer from the guys who do this stuff themselves though

[upper ridge]

I got tired of googling and asking AI so yeah lol

because i never stop finding different answers

and its nothing crazy because im strict about LAPD which is what LSPD was based from

[spark haven]

Anyone know if you can make a GSG9 iirc the name kind of outfit in game?

[quasi coral]

Usually all S.W.A.T. members carry general loadouts

Like a breaching shotgun, a primary and secondary, with specialized guys usually being the very few out of the few

[ocean steeple]

come back to me in like 6 years once i get out of the academy and hopefully pass SWAT selection 😭

[glass heart]

swat guys who play ron are dope ngl lol

[ocean steeple]

I like to play tactical but i can barely find anyone who even uses their mics 😭

[quasi coral]

But we're a SPECIAL SPECIAL S.W.A.T. team so I think it's more similar to that of special military personnel

[ocean steeple]

I would compare D-platoon more with the national guard if anything

[quasi coral]

Bro imagine if D-Platoon was your mom, how would she feel about that?

[ocean steeple]

the national guard is a lot better trained than any local swat department 💀

[quasi coral]

Not that I'm hating on the National Guardians they're cool too

[ocean steeple]

Especially if they’re the JTF type of guys

[quasi coral]

But I'd say it's more about doctrine

[ocean steeple]

wdym?

[quasi coral]

Okay doctrine might not be the right word but it's whatever

[ocean steeple]

the only difference irl is the national guard doesn’t have arrest authority bc they’re military

they can support local law enforcement units but thats it

[upper ridge]

You're into that? For real?

[ocean steeple]

well i haven’t gotten into the academy yet but yes once I decide to get started on my career lol

[quasi coral]

You're right, but I feel like D-Platoon's got more freedom than the standard issue this and that type of organization

[upper ridge]

Damn, i wish you the best of luck man.

[ocean steeple]

well yes bc Los Suenos is literally a warzone like we were saying 💀

and bc the LSPD is alr stretched thin

[unkempt granite]

Without spoilers, what's D-Platoon?

[quasi coral]

Yea I suppose you're right on this

[quasi coral]

A cool SWAT team that does everything important for the LSPD

[ocean steeple]

i appreciate it but it’d be a while anyway. you gotta be in the department for like 5-10 years and have a good rapport. You can’t just go up to your watch commander and say you wanna join swat 💀

there’s also selection you gotta pass like i said

[unkempt granite]

So like us

[upper ridge]

Yeah but its only a matter of submitting to everything you need to do for that

[quasi coral]

See you in the future when you end up on a Twitch stream because a viewer was feeling like a little son of a gun

[ocean steeple]

No so how it works is there’s a big list

[quasi coral]

Yea

[ocean steeple]

on that list is every single officer in that department that is eligible for swat and those departments can be hundreds of people

they select maybe 5-10 and thats IF there’s an opening

[unkempt granite]

But whats so special abt them?

[upper ridge]

But they'll try to pick the best aren't they?

[ocean steeple]

the one for the department i’m gonna try to join has about 28 spots and there’s about 950 officers 💀

[ocean steeple]

like i said if there’s an opening

even then its usually only 1 spot

[upper ridge]

What i meant is if you try to be the best among them, it sounds more likely for you to be picked

[ocean steeple]

yes but thats difficult bc like i said you’re competing against 950 other officers

[upper ridge]

Of course, but it should be worth trying

[rocky raptor]

They are the best of best in the force

At least inside los sueños

There's a real counter part in real life, also called D platoon

[upper ridge]

Are there D-Platoons in LAPD?

[ocean steeple]

D platoon is just LAPD swat irl

[quasi coral]

They seem to get all the good gear

[upper ridge]

All of LAPD SWAT? There's no distinction there?

[quasi coral]

If you look at the other base S.W.A.T. members, they have your usual MICH helmets and plate carries, like standard issue

[ocean steeple]

yes

[quasi coral]

But we get all these different options to wear and equip, including special weaponry(I'm guessing here)

[upper ridge]

So what would their exact loadout be then? And what about their customization? (clothing, vest and what not)

[woven obsidian]

Everytime i play ANA on hard mode one enemy from last room run way on the second floor sometimes on the first floor
Just to ruin the mission😂

[spark haven]

Man the new DLC how fast is it until they start to kill hostages on the first mission

Me and the AI get maybe half the map done and they kill a person as I'm trying to s rank it

[elfin flame]

According to MMMM's spreadsheet, they'll start dropping civs after about 150 seconds, or two and a half minutes

[sand haven]

can someone pls guide me for ron?

im new pls

[spark haven]

Surprised that didn't happen on my first gun/kill run as it took like 5 min

[hexed oyster]

how do you get the officer role?

[elfin flame]

Go to "Channels & Roles" above all the other channels

should be the first checkbox there

[versed pasture]

have anyone got the "my eyes it burns" achievement yet?

[quasi coral]

Yea pretty much the stuff you are equipped by default is pretty much it

[versed pasture]

like how does the achievement work? i incapacitate 3 suspects using slugs will taking damage but it still doesn't pop

[quasi coral]

And most of them will be carrying the SR-16 or ARWC(Closest things to the Geissele Super Duty AR-pattern rifle's or modded MK18's you see SWAT carry in the present)

[rocky plover]

It's a bit bugged and requires some attempts to trigger it and seems to only work in the bank vault of all gods burn map

[versed pasture]

yeah i tried many times like that

i run to the vault make then surrender and gather at least 3 of them around the canister

[meager epoch]

sting launcher vs flash launcher long tactical

[rocky plover]

It's for sure bugged though because I tried like 30 attempts on no good deeds another 30 on all gods burn and then it unlocked when I was doing something completely different

[versed pasture]

and then shoot the canister and shoot them with slug rounds because it only incapacitate them

[rocky plover]

Flash imho, since they have same range and stun duration

[meager epoch]

so whats the difference

[versed pasture]

flash has long duration

sorry longer

[rocky plover]

It's same for m320

They're both 10m radius and 8s stun on standard

But stinger variant has a disadvantage that can kill/incap and cause friendly fire penalty

There's a reason there isn't a m32a1 stinger variant lol

[meager epoch]

im on hard mode tho

[rocky plover]

Still the same it just becomes 4s instead of 8s for both

[meager epoch]

also cant sting go behind cover and flash cant?

[rocky plover]

They both need LoS to the suspect, obstacles in the way can affect it

Idk why they're both 10m radius tbh, because the hand thrown versions are 10m and 12m

[onyx swift]

If only…

also SWAT AI for me CANNOT throw Stingers properly

[meager epoch]

thats just all throwables

[rocky plover]

They can throw nothing tbh

[onyx swift]

nah I’ve had them recently throw Flashbangs and Gas properly

Including the Launchers

[meager epoch]

bro with launchers they are so bad

[rocky plover]

I've had the most success with launchers tbh, with grenades they just suck

[onyx swift]

But then for Stingers? They throw them right at the doorway or ON OUR SIDE and then blur my whole vision

I swear it only happens for those

[rocky plover]

Yeah they're the worst with stingers cos it's bigger than the other ones

[onyx swift]

it’s so weird

For Breaches they at least can throw stuff properly, but if telling them to throw in the open it’s been busted since LSS

[rocky plover]

Eh it's still hit or miss for when breaching tbh

At least for me

[onyx swift]

I had it on All Gods Burn earlier with a Hostage situation, I told them to throw a 9-Bang (I didn’t have Grenades on me as I was going for The Heat is On), and they just stood around

Then eventually, one of my SWAT AI members got RIGHT IN THE FACE of the Hostage situation, threw the 9-Bang past the Suspect and Civ, and missed

Somehow that still didn’t make the Suspect shoot the Hostage dead

I gave up after that and domed the Suspect myself

[rocky plover]

Lmao

Sometimes they enter before the utility is thrown and I'm like wtf is happening

Then the guy throwing the utility throws it, while the others are already inside and he enters like hey all good?

[onyx swift]

I saw that happen a few times too

[rocky plover]

Funny and annoying at the same time lol

[onyx swift]

Not so funny when they get shot dead 2s later by the Suspects who they were supposed to stun

[rocky plover]

Yea lol

[meager epoch]

i just got the most unlucky death, i was playing ironman mode on hard and i got to a lethal obsession and i was clearing bottom up and i was peaking and i stepped over the front door tripwire and died

[storm belfry]

I read that as slipped over the front door

[meager epoch]

bro ironman mode genuinely sucks not because its super hard but because you have to redo 23 megabytes a second over and over

[storm belfry]

I fucking HATE 23mb

"Favorite Mission" MY ASS

[rocky helm]

has it ever been useful to give the AI teammates a shield
trying to figure out how to make them do greased palms gooder

[kind moth]

its easy tho

[rocky plover]

They're hit or miss with it tbh, they like to fiddle with it and keep swapping weapons lol, but sometimes they're good with it, but tbh you're taking away some of their firepower to give them more protection if you get what I mean.

[kind moth]

i use fan service tatoo

[storm belfry]

I do it to much

[eternal ledge]

23 is a good CQB map 😭

[open thicket]

how to get sleeper agent

help

can i kill suspect?

between 15s?

[rocky plover]

Yea you got 15s between each one

[open thicket]

can i kill it?

[rocky plover]

Yes

[open thicket]

oh

is there bug for hanged man?

[rocky plover]

For pc no

Console idk

[tacit gull]

holy shit its swat 4

[open thicket]

but i try m32a1 flash

pc but fail to acess it

[rocky plover]

Don't think you can use that

[open thicket]

why can i?it say "flash"

[rocky plover]

Would have specified launchers

Can't even use the single shot launcher either afaik

Just taser, bash and throwable flashes

I think even 9 bangs can't be used but not sure

[open thicket]

i check the update it shows it's not"m32a1"period

maybe they didn't add trigger?