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[floral peak]

Remember: some ppl actually did programmed psychosis and got S at same time

[elfin flame]

I pray for their therapist

[rocky plover]

🤣

[floral peak]

2-3 Thanks Come Again on S rank clears and forget

[void grove]

How to keep hostages alive

[floral peak]

Love mental health system in ron

[floral peak]

Don’t shoot them

[stark dew]

What’s thanks come again, again?

[elfin flame]

gas station

[void grove]

But they move around

[floral peak]

Literally first mission

[stark dew]

Ah right

[hollow nova]

what gun do i use for programmed

whats the meta

[floral peak]

Yell for compliance so they get down

[stark dew]

It’s fun

[rocky plover]

Semi auto shotgun

[floral peak]

There is no meta

[stark dew]

You throw a flashbang at their face

[hollow nova]

there is always a meta

[elfin flame]

I typically tell civs to go to exit on the first and second floors, for the most part. With the hall blocked they typically go through safe areas you already cleared back to the spawn elevator.

[floral peak]

Meta is delusion, all guns are great

[opaque sage]

Is the livestream on leviathan always in the same place or can it be randomized

[languid tide]

Run forest, run!

[floral peak]

Randomized

[void grove]

What about when they dont get down and when I go to hit them they pull out a knife and mix my shit up

[opaque sage]

Damn are there like a set couple of locations cause I can’t find it

[languid tide]

Then they are a suspect and not a hostage

[floral peak]

That’s not a hostage then, open fire!!!

[elfin flame]

Whatever works best for you or you're most comfortable with. Personally I'm a fan of the ARN180, thing feels like a .300 laserbeam with a muzzle brake

[floral peak]

Yeah, basically you’ll see if you see a lot of cuffed civies in one room

Then livestream is near

[elfin flame]

There's almost always one "generic" suspect, usually armed with a knife or pistol. I had them look like either thugs or workers in high-vis vests

Though sometimes they will be unarmed but still considered a suspect, and since they're unarmed you'll still get Unlawful Use of Lethal Force if you choose to blast them. If you don't care about rank, don't worry about it.

[floral peak]

I basically remembered all ai models by now and can tell who’s the suspect and who’s not

[elfin flame]

I definitely learned visuals on ANA, but in general I typically rely on voicelines

[floral peak]

These too

The only mission I get confused in is All Gods Burn

Sometimes I pop some civs by accident

[hollow nova]

spread choke or brake mr shotgun guy

[elfin flame]

Personally I run brake on semi-autos, choke on pump-actions.

[umbral niche]

I always use brake. It's great for keeping sustained fire and aiming.

[elfin flame]

I run spread choke on pump-actions because you can recenter during the pump animation, recoil is a non-factor

[umbral niche]

I forget its name off the top of my head but not the Supernova or M4 barely moves when you shoot it once you got a brake.

[elfin flame]

the 1301?

[umbral niche]

Yes, thank you. Hard to remember designation for me; haha.

That's objectively just the best one of the lot. Wonderful all around stats.

[elfin flame]

yeah it's a very solid choice

[umbral niche]

Though I feel like the Supernova handles slugs better and has a slight accuracy advantage.

[opaque sage]

theres multiple rooms like that tho

the level is like maze

[floral peak]

It is

[opaque sage]

like this is worse then greased palms for me

like i keep getting lost

[rocky plover]

Idk if it got answered already, probably did, but anyways always 12g brake, never spread choke imo

[hollow nova]

yeah i wanna apologize to the mlo they can keep the city council

[rocky plover]

[sonic sleet]

Programmed psychosis literally has my controller peeling its grip skin. Even my controller wants no part in this anymore

[hollow nova]

does no armor also mean no helmet

[sonic sleet]

I think so

I did just to be safe

[rough basin]

Does it matter if you fail the bomb objective on programmed psychosis?

[sonic sleet]

Supposedly no

I haven’t figured out for sure yet

[rough basin]

I always play solo with bots and so far I've cleared new america with decent effort

But my ego says that if I lock in I'll do it solo in multi-player on hard

Cause im that guy

[sonic sleet]

You’ll figure out you’re not built like that lmao

[rough basin]

Yeah?

How bad is it?

Like put it in elden ring terms

[rocky plover]

I mean it's easier than S on hard tbh but still annoying

[sonic sleet]

No tf it is not

[rough basin]

I S-ed it on standard twice

[rocky plover]

I said hard not standard

[sonic sleet]

I have hard s on Ana and programmed psychosis is its own beast

[rocky plover]

Standard is quite easy

[rough basin]

If s-ing it on standard with the mgl is 5/10 on difficulty, what would programmed psychosis be?

[sonic sleet]

10/10

[rocky plover]

I did programmed psychosis but haven't S on hard yet

And it's the last one that I need for all maps hard S

[rough basin]

Load out?

[sonic sleet]

I got it the opposite way lol I have hard s and not programmed

[rough basin]

Do you get anything for s ranking all maps on hard?

[rocky plover]

No

[ivory geyser]

No

[sonic sleet]

Just the flex

[ivory geyser]

They should add unlockable weapons or gear

[rocky plover]

M1014 with buckshot, light armor, front only coverage, steel

5 slots iirc for it

[ivory geyser]

If you s rank all maps you get saiga or m1014 with bean bags

[rocky plover]

1 slot for .50AE JHP

[rough basin]

How did you do the final floor?

[ivory geyser]

Would be peak

[rocky plover]

6 9 bangs

[rough basin]

Ohhh

[rocky plover]

1 wedge

[rough basin]

The new bangs or old ones?

[ivory geyser]

Aren't 9 bangs weak tho?

[sonic sleet]

6 9 bangers is crazy work lmao

[rocky plover]

They're new meta if used correctly

[ivory geyser]

They are good stun wise but radius wise they suck

[rocky plover]

Yea

[ivory geyser]

Stingers are kinda better

[rough basin]

How many hours you got on ron?

[sonic sleet]

Lowkey yeah

[rocky plover]

Shitton of luck and restarts tbh, baiting them helped

[sonic sleet]

Just go try it, be that guy lmao

[rocky plover]

830 smth

[rough basin]

You were js shooting and hoped they came?

[ivory geyser]

That's how you do it on hard maps

[rocky plover]

Shouting and baiting with flashlight also a shitton of crouch peeking with free lean

[rough basin]

I got 90 hours rn... I s ranked every mission on standard but after the mgl got added it doesn't mean much

[opaque sage]

should i have played mission through commander mode or quickplay first

[rough basin]

But I dont want to do that for an hour

[opaque sage]

cause now that i thought about it i might have made the wrong choice

[ivory geyser]

900 dead officers

[rocky plover]

Well it took me around 1 HR per run

[rough basin]

And then die and then do it for a another hour

[rough basin]

How many runs?

[rocky plover]

Lost count tbh 60?

[rough basin]

Motherfucker

You spent 60 hours on an achievement?

[ivory geyser]

They should make beanbag like a ammo instead of separate weapon

[rocky plover]

I mean nothing else to do

I've been 100+ runs for hard S ANA

[ivory geyser]

Cuz otherwise it's kinda doesn't make sense

[rough basin]

How old are you if you dont mind me asking

[rocky plover]

So might as well lol

[rocky plover]

26 and I work full time as well if that answers your question lol

[opaque sage]

well i mean i am currently on leviathan is it worth it just to do all of it all over again

[sonic sleet]

Career stats is clearly fucked up bc it says I have 6 minutes in single player but I did Ironman mode twice lmao

[rough basin]

Don't you got a girl? Or kids or a mortgage or a gym membership?

No offense ofc

[rocky plover]

Ye career stats is broken af lol

[tacit gull]

no

[ivory geyser]

Why not

[rocky plover]

Got a mortgage yeah but I am also a landlord so apart from my full time job I also kinda got another job lol and I also got another self employed part time

[rough basin]

America is crazy bro

[tacit gull]

because less lethal load weapons should be marked appropriately

[rough basin]

In Europe we study for almost free, smoke weed all week

[ivory geyser]

Yeah but doesn't police irl use it on anything?

[sonic sleet]

Check your dms

[tacit gull]

no

beanbags are only for marked shotguns

[ivory geyser]

Oh i see

[rough basin]

Idk I can't fathom liking a game so much that I spend 60 hours grinding one achievement. Respect man thats crazy

[rocky plover]

Well you only smoke by choice

[tacit gull]

some of them also modified to fire beanbags specifically

[rough basin]

What did you do after you finally got it?

[tacit gull]

they wouldn't cycle on auto shotguns for example

[rocky plover]

Can I reply here or in DM?

[ivory geyser]

That depends on load

[rough basin]

Id hire some hookers and get a bottle of henny

[ivory geyser]

That's a quick way getting a diseases

[rocky plover]

Got all the rest of the achievements and I'm now on 300th run or so for hard S last map

[sonic sleet]

Idc I just wanted to send it in dms to make sure it didn’t get buried in the flooded chat and see your opinion lmao

[tacit gull]

beanbags will have a smaller powder load by default

[rough basin]

Yeah? Is it that much harder?

Are you using the mgl?

[copper silo]

why can i only disable ir lasers from 1 way

[rocky plover]

Solo yes, with a team in multiplayer probably much easier lol

[rocky plover]

Yea

[rough basin]

You doing it on commander?

[rocky plover]

No solo without AI just like my other hard S

[rough basin]

Oh shit

[rocky plover]

I hate AI anyways

[rough basin]

That's insane

[rocky plover]

Makes me babysit them

[rocky plover]

Ok gimme a sec

[rough basin]

Well I never need wedges or c2 with the ai

And I can use the mirror gun and they can push with shields if I get low eventually

[rocky plover]

They're only good as utility backpacks imo lol

[rough basin]

Yeah

They walk to slowly with you to actually help if ur getting pushed

And they die hella fast even on standard

So you got what 900 hours on Ron, just solo?

[rocky plover]

Mix, multiplayer, solo, some with AI from my earlier days

Mostly quickplay when I used the AI

Only did commander mode once for the ironman achievements

[rocky plover]

I shared my secret, now tell me yours for hard S, so I can end my suffering lol

[atomic locust]

hey do you know if i send a officer to therapy does it count as losing them? im trying to do the hermit achivment

[rocky plover]

No I sent many of them to therapy and still got achievement

[atomic locust]

ok thank you

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[rocky plover]

Also paramedic trait does not save you the hermit btw so no Kia no incaps for the achievement

While Dev watch is no Kia no resigns

[atomic locust]

okay

[regal tundra]

firing is fine tho

and you need a C on port

[rocky plover]

^

Yea grades don't matter except what he said

[short bough]

after another maybe 11 tries of new america i give up

i really dont see how i can take my time and be cautious before the bombs go off and even if i do getting through the main room and then up the stairs just seems impossible

everyone on my team dies almost immediately

[elfin flame]

My tactic I use, don't hit the jammer as soon as you see it. Clear out as much on the 3rd and 4th as you can (without entering the courtroom or dealing with Flowerhead) before heading back to spoof the jammer and hitting the Courtroom itself.

[short bough]

i see that way you waste no time

[elfin flame]

That staircase on the 3rd floor and the whole of 4th floor is an absolute pain in the dick, but with enough determination and luck you'll manage to break through

[short bough]

figures

[hoary comet]

i just had a guy ragequit on me as i was showing him this map

told him to follow me and he said yeah yeah, went and peeked the courtroom without the jammer active and then he went full silent after he saw mission failure

ANA is just a gauntlet for new players at this point, my S rank was a pain but very much worth it knowing every spawn and situation possible in most rooms

[hoary comet]

tip for you, don't enable the jammer before clearing the whole 4th floor, don't peek the court room and be wary of roamers that might push through if the doors are open, if they're closed wedge them off, clear the two electronic door side entrances, put blue and red on each with C2 and bang and clear then go downstairs alone, enable the jammer, go back up, set up on the main door and execute the command for both red and blue elements to breach and flash, after the flash you breach the main door or peek if it's open and there's your mission complete

also wedge off the side bathrooms on the 4th floor and leave them for after the court room

[elfin flame]

Didn't think of splitting red and blue for the final breach, good call

[hoary comet]

it's my go to strat and I've done both endings but I have to do it again cause I forgot to pick up my devil tat

[elfin flame]

at least Devil doesn't require you to S-rank

[hoary comet]

yeah the S rank was a pain

[shy cape]

just done programmed psychosis. Wouldnt say i had an easy top floor eitther. Took me over a week of constant failures and close ones. Racked my head in so bad. Video playback on steam captures last 2 hours so missed all the first floor due to this. What it was is i wasted an hour while shitting my pants looking for an ememy that had passed out. Check the desrciption in the video. https://youtu.be/fRnZwW7DSjA?si=seUN2xzLZWYeSeHQ

[hoary comet]

got my shitty off brand casio at least!

I genuinely wedged off floor 2 and left it for last and rushed for the jammer, wedged off all access ways to it besides my entry and exit and went in for the 4th floor and did the level backwards afterwards

gave me the best success to go into the 4th floor fully uninjured

flash launcher obviously

[elfin flame]

my tactic is clearing out each of the floors slowly, wedging off the main corridor for both the 2nd and 3rd floor so I don't get flanked and avoiding it like the plague.

and yeah, 3 of my AI team have flash launcher, 4th and I have beanbag shotgun

[hoary comet]

good good

[stoic thistle]

Does anyone else think that the ARCW doesn't hit very hard?

[hoary comet]

still don't have the balls to attempt programmed psychosis

[hoary comet]

the ARWC and every other 5.56 gun hits the same if you're using AP

it's just a lower fire rate gun

[elfin flame]

you'll get there in time, I believe in ya

[hoary comet]

I mean it can't be much worse than getting the S rank I'm just sick of this map after what like 50 playthroughs

I can see the layout in my head

[elfin flame]

yeah might be worth trying other achievements or challenges every now and then so you don't get burned out

[hoary comet]

one thing I have never touched with a 10 foot pole is commander mode might try that

I've been playing quickplay since 2022

[elfin flame]

honestly same here

well not 2022, but since I first got the game

[karmic sandal]

Isnt commander mode and quick play similar ish though? Besides one makes you some what care for your squad

[hoary comet]

the watch you get is something i'd never wear and it just reinforces my lack of interest in that game mode

[hoary comet]

commander mode has a stress mechanic and your guys have traits that make them better at certain tasks that's about it

there's also a permadeath mechanic iirc that makes you restart your run

[karmic sandal]

Oh the traits aren’t in quick play?

[hoary comet]

no they are not

[elfin flame]

I'm also just used to the Quick Play cast more, I consider them the canonical D-Platoon squad

[karmic sandal]

Oh like where you have to return to hq if you fail?

[hoary comet]

swan atlas prescott and the other guy i forgot about

[elfin flame]

King

[hoary comet]

yeah you basically have to do gas again and everything

[hoary comet]

we wuz kingz n judges n sheit....

back in muh day we only had tattoos if we played as swan

the florist

[karmic sandal]

Ah lowk I might try quick play. Rn I just do commander mode and I’m not the best at keeping morale high but I’ve just been too lazy to make my squad’s loadouts from scratch when I started

[elfin flame]

also I thought Atlas got replaced with Eli at some point? or at least I'm sure Eli is in the squad nowadays

or maybe it's somewhat randomized? idk

[hoary comet]

it's randomized in quickplay

prescott dies upstairs in a new america

he finds the jammer before us

[elfin flame]

oh shit that is his voice, isn't it

[hoary comet]

i play with CC on and it literally says Prescott: oof

the only element of my hud on is the paper doll (sometimes) and the CC (permanent)

my first few playthroughs I was trying to report in the dead swat officers like I was in a trance not even realizing they're just furniture, habit I guess

what on discord makes your name like that, I want that pixelated look

[elfin flame]

what particularly fucks me up are the singular gunshots after the firefight you hear at the start; the MLO are straight up executing the wounded SWAT officers

[keen coral]

this is a nitro user. With nitro you can customize your profile and nickname too

[elfin flame]

It's a Nitro thing, Edit Profile > Display Name Styles

[hoary comet]

I am so desensitized I was getting mad at the repetition of a voice lines every rerun

[hoary comet]

can't I buy it like all the other stuff you can buy and keep?

[keen coral]

no

[elfin flame]

I get that, but those single shots still hit me

[hoary comet]

jewish corp

[keen coral]

affirmative

[elfin flame]

pisscorp

[hoary comet]

10-4

[fast mantle]

Current loadouts are as follows for ANA:
Me - SA58 (5 mags) and 5.7 (2 mags), 6 wedges
2 Shields - SA58 (5 mags) and 5.7 (4 mags), 2 bangs, 2 wedges
Breacher (Ram) - SA58 (5 mags) and 5.7 (2 mags), 6 flashbangs
Flasher (flash launcher) - SA58 (5 mags) and 5.7 (2 mags), 6 flashbangs

Wish me luck

[hoary comet]

ya no need a 7.62x51

ya need aim

[fast mantle]

Me need a 7.62 for ma panik

Me cant always hit in dem head

[hoary comet]

you don't need to

[fast mantle]

Me somtime ned da body shot ya erd?

[hoary comet]

both 7.62 and 5.56 two tap in the torso

[elfin flame]

ARN-180, .300BLK AP, triple tap them in the chest and they're down for the count

[hoary comet]

now .300 is an actual downgrade since it takes 3

[fast mantle]

It work for me

[elfin flame]

maybe it takes 2, I do 3 to make sure. In any case, I prefer the 180 personally so

[hoary comet]

I used the GA51 a lot until I realized the MCX has no recoil only funny fake screenshake

[hoary comet]

OG opinion, back in the day you only had one 300 BLK gun and it was the ARN-180 and it was glorious

it's better than 5.56 up close

caliber only matters on hard if you're using rifles anyway

in my played all maps and S ranked and lethaled all of them experience

[elfin flame]

I will say, used to prefer the LVAR but my friend converted me to the 180

[hoary comet]

my only characteristics that I care about are barrel length and point shooting capabilities, if I can lay down fast semi auto fire with the laser staying on point then it's a good gun

for this reason the G36, F90, MCX are peak

[sonic sleet]

Facts

[hoary comet]

full auto means shit has hit the fan and I don't need an overpenning high caliber

[short bough]

for mods, if i dont want to use my paks folder i can create a new folder labeled mods right?

[sonic sleet]

I love burst firing so I’m normally on full auto but

[hoary comet]

I try to snipe dudes at longer ranges with my AR so I keep it on semi because it removes the chance I fat finger 2 bullets out instead of 1 and throw my laser into orbit

it's definitely necessary on ANA

[elfin flame]

If you're on Steam, one of the launch options it gives you is to just launch in Safe Mode which ignores modded PAK files in your install.

[hoary comet]

I think he meant he wants to store his mods separately and have the game execute them anyways for easy removal whenever he wants to

but I can't tell

he might mean either or

[elfin flame]

Don't think you can then, but I haven't tried myself. Though all the mods are typically put after all the base game PAKs, starting with a "9". Easy to clear them out if you need to quickly dump all your mods.

[hoary comet]

yeh

the mod.io ones sleep inside their own mod folder in the mod.io folder

those don't end in 99 but are stored separately anyway

[hoary comet]

how many hours have you got/when did you start playing? just curious

[elfin flame]

I have 177 hours (about half of which are from DLC4, I think) and apparently I got my first achievement in January 2022

[hoary comet]

that's about what I thought

[elfin flame]

from there, if I remember correctly I played solo on and off before playing with an old friend group in 2024/2025

nowadays I mostly play solo or with a buddy

[hoary comet]

I'm sitting nice at 144 and most of my hours being in 2023-2024 I just came back recently to finish my S ranks, I play solo or with an old friend but I sometimes join the open vcs here if I wanna enjoy some senseless CBT

[cyan hollow]

Hi, I'm a new player! Should I run through singleplayer mode first or find people to play with?

[hoary comet]

you should definitely enjoy the atmosphere in singleplayer my dude

pay attention to the maps and enjoy the environmental story telling

[elfin flame]

yeah I advise playing though Quick Play or Commander Mode (whichever fits you better)

[cyan hollow]

Aye Aye! Thanks for the advice, super excited! c:

[elfin flame]

No problem, good luck!

[hoary comet]

wait until he gets to greased palms

[sonic sleet]

Greased palms is a cake walk in today’s RON

[hoary comet]

if you're brand new?

the squad lead system only clicks in your head at about 40-60 hours

[elfin flame]

Oh and don't forget to outfit your AI team as well as yourself

[cyan hollow]

Will do! ❤️

[hoary comet]

you US?

[elfin flame]

if you have any other questions or need to vent about failed attempts, we'll be here

[elfin flame]

yup

[hoary comet]

shame

what wuz that

[cyan hollow]

?

[crystal tundra]

the wordfilter is strong in here

[cyan hollow]

That was weird.

[hoary comet]

you triggered some bot filter

[cyan hollow]

What did I say???

[hoary comet]

no clue, we didn't get to see

[sonic sleet]

They deleted two of my clips just bc I said assert dominance lmao

[cyan hollow]

I basically said thank you and you'll probably hear me vent about failing soon.

[hoary comet]

used slurs?

[cyan hollow]

Absolutely not. I mean, I said lol, but I don't think thats a slur.

[hoary comet]

lmao

[elfin flame]

odd

[scarlet flax]

Guys I am quite depressed that I still haven’t beaten New America on Hard. Been trying to do it with a full squad without using gas or the MGL but man, sometimes no matter how careful we are we get insta head shot through a door way.

[sonic sleet]

Welcome to ANA

[hoary comet]

gas doesn't even work on most suspects

[crystal tundra]

hard ai is brutal

[hoary comet]

ANA hurts more than ANA L

[sonic sleet]

I got hard s but been doing programmed psychosis for like a week or two

[hoary comet]

they be brutally staring at the floor only to flip back around to your head and lay down a hail of lead

without a sound being made prior

[sonic sleet]

They can also see through walls so that’s cool

And have inhuman reaction times

[hoary comet]

they do that on standard too if you just breathe on one of the lasers

but they don't instashoot like on hard

[elfin flame]

I heard anecdotes that they can use the CCTVs like you can and can track you that way but idk how true that is

[hoary comet]

you can turn the CCTVs off

that sounds like cope though

[elfin flame]

I personally find the CCTVs too valuable to do so

[hoary comet]

i was standing by a door with a suspect behind it and a cctv had me in it's sight without the guy caring

[sonic sleet]

Even if you don’t hit lasers and have cams off they can see through the walls, they can also shoot backwards, my friend has a clip where they were pinned to the wall w shields and gun pointed into the wall, and they still one tapped a dude standing behind the shield

[hoary comet]

i find them so useless

kind of like the helicopter cam

only ever does something once in a blue moon

the electronic doors go off with the CCTVs so it's a worthy trade

[elfin flame]

yeah cams only really seem to work when you're close enough, and even then it's iffy. But when it works, it's saved my ass once or twice

[sonic sleet]

Depends if you get good cams or not and also you can shut off doors w a keycard so that’s easy asf anyway

[hoary comet]

I wonder if that no crack for AI mod fixes hard mode

never tried it

[elfin flame]

yeah doors are a non-factor if you can find and hit the terminal, Security room always has a keycard on the desk

[sonic sleet]

I’m console so I just have to suffer

[hoary comet]

I am in solidarity as the mods I use are the balaclavas for all heads and modded maps

[elfin flame]

I only use mods for drip and retro kit, though I'm making it a point to use only vanilla weapons for ANA S-Rank and Programmed Psychosis when I get there

[hoary comet]

i don't like worrying about pickups and I clear whole floors anyway

[hoary comet]

are there non vanilla non lethals?

[elfin flame]

honestly don't think so, though I recall seeing a YouTube short somewhere using Simunitions or rubber bullets in normal guns but that might've been from a while ago

[hoary comet]

somebody should just mod a middle finger that if you "shoot" it just makes the guy instantly tied up and secured along with his guns

that would nail it

peak cheat mod

[sonic sleet]

Lmao

[hoary comet]

that or add epstein's island as a map

[glass heart]

too politically contentious lol

all of the implicated are still alive and running the show

[void grove]

this game is super hell

[hoary comet]

have them be there as main objective arrests

peak map

you open the vault on the bank map and there he is, old jeff in a chair with a phone in his mouth

[glass heart]

unrealistic, the chair would have a double and the real him would be whisked off for blackmail

[sonic sleet]

I swear the civis on Ana have Stockholm syndrome

[elfin flame]

hit them with the Compliance Stick™ (muzzle poke them)

[void grove]

compliance stick makes them want to shank you

[elfin flame]

I've never had a civ on that map try to stab me (though I could be wrong), but there is a suspect that's unrelated to the MLO and is often dressed like a maintenance worker in a high-vis vest. Does that sound like the guy that tried to knife you, or were they wearing a suit?

Not trying to talk down or anything, I'm genuinely a bit curious. Again, never had a civ try to knife me and I want to know if it's something I managed to miss

[turbid sluice]

Have you just never played twisted nerve?

[elfin flame]

on that map [A New America]

[crystal tundra]

the suspects on dorms are hella stabby

[elfin flame]

again

on that map [A New America]

[upper ridge]

Anyone obsessed with LAPD realistic loadout accuracy for Ready or Not that could share me?

[crystal tundra]

thats why i specified too

i had a civ stab me in dorms

[elfin flame]

it's been a hot minute since I played Dorms, fair

[calm kindle]

aRe JhP oR aP rOuNdS bEtTeR fOr MlO???

[scarlet flax]

I think the reaction time is just too good on the MLO. We’ve for sure been using flash and 9 bangs, but most of the rooms have impossible angles or tons of cover that makes the grenade miss.

[unkempt granite]

does it matter when you hit the head or use ful auto 💔

also should i try to s rank leviathan or 3 letter triad first

[scarlet flax]

We usually go double shield, move in pairs and have two gunners standing behind shields as they push in and then the fifth guy covers off angles.

[void grove]

What is the best difficulty mod

[outer fossil]

im playing casual a new america and i keep getting slimed when i get to the 4th floor bro

[elfin flame]

yeah that final floor is a pain. If you haven't been already, I say ignore the jammer and clear out most of the 4th floor so you don't have to deal with the time stress, just avoid the courtroom so you or your squad don't accidentally drop Flowerhead and detonate the building

once it's mostly secured except for that courtroom, hit the jammer and breach the courtroom

[idle mauve]

did anyone know about the “Flair Nite Watch”

i got it by s-ranking ANA on hard mode

[sonic sleet]

Yeah it doesn’t have to be on hard just has to be done a certain way same w the broken cuff

[void grove]

HOW IS SHOOTING SOMEONE WITH A GUN UNAUTHORIZED FORCE

[sonic sleet]

And devil tattoo

[sonic sleet]

They have to up it first

[void grove]

[urban osprey]

has anybody beat a new america on hard by themself getting an s rank

[tiny plaza]

Anyone else on Xbox have problems with ur game crashing

[idle mauve]

me

[urban osprey]

let me see

[void grove]

its not a hard task

[void grove]

Oh yes i spend 40 minutes in a mission then forget to clear a corner so i just get blasted

[elfin flame]

happens to the best of us, I try not to let my guard down until I see Order to Chaos pop up or double-check on the phone (in a secure area of course)

but that's never a guarantee

[void grove]

THIS GUY JUST LOCKED ONTO ME A HOUSE AWAY AND CORNER SWINGED ME

Im so confused bro

[hoary comet]

can be multiple of those in one run

the maintenance guys

had an adrenaline rush to clean my whole entire apartment for a second there so I just entered robot cleaner mode for an hour

[elfin flame]

Maintenance guy is considered a suspect

[hoary comet]

yes

there's two or three of them sometimes

i just yell once and shoot them in the head

+5

[elfin flame]

ah I've only ever seen one, the others are typically dressed as gangsters or something

might be a Hard Mode thing, idk

[hoary comet]

no clue to be honest

[hoary comet]

i've encountered all three types of suspects on the bottom floor and sometimes up to 3

imagine the depressed look on my face as floor 3 was nearly empty meaning floor 4 was full

rng sometimes hates you

[elfin flame]

oh yeah I've had moments like that

"Why is there nobody down by the staircase here?"
checks 4th Floor Reporter Entrance cam
half of the suspect count is up there

[hoary comet]

i'm gonna do ANA with an mp7

see how cbt truly feels

[unkempt granite]

are shotguns better for hunger strike?

[hoary comet]

you can use anything really, the suspects are unarmored but shotguns do give you the most reliable one shot on most dudes

[unkempt granite]

is it ujst a thank you come again remix

bc if so i could just s rank it on hard i think?

[hoary comet]

no it's a remix of the old fast food map

this is an active shooter situation

you have to get all of them before they start executing the civilians

you got like 2-4 minutes on average

[cedar mulch]

Do you lot usually check out RON WIKI? The pages for the Cartel, the Mafia and Spider have all been updated.

[hoary comet]

what do you mean

which wiki exactly there's several

i avoid anything .fandom because it's basically no man's land

[cedar mulch]

fandom

[cedar mulch]

Fandom is very different now,they’ve added lots of new features, including a photo gallery.

[sonic sleet]

I stg they put out a secret update and made the ai even worse like Ana has always sucked on hard but today and last night has been crazier then normal

[unkempt granite]

i'll just try to s rank it then

[elfin flame]

I've been using a Google Spreadsheet someone made to check weapon/attachment stats and map info

[unkempt granite]

or actually just go in guns blazing

[hoary comet]

I know they had a major scandal years ago with some other game it was probably terraria and they split off and since then people have been making wiki sites instead of using .fandom

been avoiding it ever since

[cedar mulch]

I mean the fandom wiki,they’ve basically given all the major canon theories a major update.

[elfin flame]

Fandom is also extremely riddled with ads

[cedar mulch]

That’s true enough, but there’s no harm in having a look.

[elfin flame]

eh, I'll wait to either figure it out myself or for YouTubers like Isaac Morgan or Wendigoon to cover them

[hoary comet]

i love this map so much

you can bypass the whole 2nd floor by wedging them off before they breach through

neutering the MLO with a door wedge will never not be hilarious

I'm going straight to the jammer then straight to 4th

[cedar mulch]

They have indeed fixed the spider, the original spider page was a complete mess.

[hoary comet]

i have a wacky suggestion

let the MLO roam up and down floors

now that is pain

[cedar mulch]

At first, they actually used graffiti on shipping containers to represent spiders—it was absolutely ridiculous.

[elfin flame]

I've had MLO push from 3rd Floor Reception down to the 2nd Floor before

[hoary comet]

same

but i mean let them ALL push you once they got you cornered

except for the court room

make the whole map wallhacking roamers

as god intended

[elfin flame]

eh, I feel that could make it easier, just let them funnel through a chokepoint while your team shoots them like fish in a barrel. Solo it would be a lot more challenging, but it feels more like a Horde Mode than flushing out highly trained agents

If it was a low chance to happen, however, that would be devious

[hoary comet]

i want to know your opinion on the mirror gun, is it cheaty or not? i say it is and have all my bots have breachers or launchers with myself having a breaching shotgun

[hoary comet]

obviously have it happen randomly and with a low chance whenever you trip a laser or something

[elfin flame]

I mean it kinda does, but if real SWAT had it they would absolutely be abusing it themselves so I don't mind.

[hoary comet]

they do have it it's just so rare and useless today since drones exist though

breaching shotgun and flash works better than stepping by a door waiting to get shot through

LAPD 101 method

[elfin flame]

True, but I think intel is king. Have your number two stand off to the side to peek the door with the mirror for callouts as the others prep for breach, when its time to go in they can get their gun up

[hoary comet]

I just got the perfect spawn for skipping the whole level

jammer next to stairwell on the left, jammed the 3 double doors

:^)

[elfin flame]

I love the conference room jammer spawn, easily best RNG you could get

[hoary comet]

i'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me

[hoary comet]

my favorite spot is the meeting room with the dead reporter

literally walk down the stairs and left then back and up very straightforward

[tiny quail]

woke up in a fucken steamin mood ye cause i live in a shithole, los suenos is a shithole i hate this fucken place it's full of dickheads

[elfin flame]

full of methheads*

[hoary comet]

and i died

my swat AI shot me in the back of the head

he got the suspect though, such is life

jej

[tiny quail]

full of predators

[fast mantle]

Spent 33 minutes clearing floors on ANA. Got 2 tapped by a mf when walking up stairs

Awesome

[hoary comet]

such is life

[fast mantle]

On the bright side, door wedges are the way to go. I create the walls, meaning anywhere that's open to me is safe and the MLO gets more and more cornered

It works, I just need to be more careful on the last floor

[hoary comet]

easily the best gadget

[fast mantle]

I could lure them into a funnel with their own trip wires by blocking off doors

[fast mantle]

For the player, I'm inclined to agree

I can A rank this by Sunday

[hoary comet]

for the swat AI too

since they can't throw a grenade for shit

[velvet steeple]

They genuinely need to add something where you can takedown a stunned suspect that’s in your face

like if a beanbag a guy 5 times and he’s just stunlocked I should be able to just say fuck compliance and force him to cuffs

[elfin flame]

honestly yeah

[hoary comet]

did not know they can pathfind to fully flank all my wedges through the mayor secret door

that was amazing display of enemy AI and hilarious idiocy by swat AI

both of them ate P90 though

pfahahah dude was sprinting looking away and i somehow died, wasn't even aiming at me

[fast mantle]

Yeah but someone's gotta compensate for my lack of bangers

And you only get 5 with the launcher which is still nice

[hoary comet]

if you make them mad they trigger the fire alarm as if that will do anything lul

[velvet steeple]

That pepperball pistol is unbelievably ass

[floral dove]

Question, does SWAT AI just feel broken right now to anyone else?

[hoary comet]

to everyone

they only know how to throw grenades or use launchers on certain maps anymore, they put their backs to open unsecured spaces, arrest suspects in doorways leading to unsecured spaces and generally take a whole year to react to being shot at but then they also instantly kill 3 dudes with perfect accuracy

[floral dove]

Its abysmal dogshit rn at least for me. Like Ill tell my team to do something and they'll just... stand there. Or get stuck on a doorway. Or ill tell them to flash a room and theyll just drop it at their feet

[hoary comet]

don't even ask, just give them wedges and 7.62 rifles and use them as you go first and die men

[winter pendant]

They can't breach wedged doors?

[hoary comet]

they cannot no

[winter pendant]

That's.. Interesting

[hoary comet]

you can't either without a breaching shotgun or C2

and they don't have either

[winter pendant]

I feel like that used to be a bug and I didn't realize it ever got fixed

Cool

[hoary comet]

oh and by the way

they can see the wedges so they will flank around where you left a gap

just had 2 dudes run around the entire 3rd floor to the pathway i left for myself

[winter pendant]

Sure, like how they would with tripwired doors

Lol nice

[hoary comet]

yeah I expected them since i saw their backs as they were sprinting down the hallways

swat AI could never

[floral dove]

Its crazy how VOID got MLO's AI so fucking good and our SWAT AI is just fucking broken

[winter pendant]

🙃 uh huh

[hoary comet]

they only had to improve them a bit, the MLO was in the game before without the breaching and flashbang usage

[hallow nebula]

Where do I go to give the AI rests or replacement?

[winter pendant]

It's crazy how suspects have better threshold management than trained police

[hoary comet]

sanctify the breach

[winter pendant]

The tablet - open it in the lobby. Either assign different officers to take their place, or click the send to therapy button for an option that will work faster (in fewer completed missions)

On keyboard, default button is Tab

[hoary comet]

if you trip a laser next to a doorway expect 50 armed men toting 50 big black guns to come through said doorway

[hallow nebula]

I opened the tab;et but can't do anything on it?

[winter pendant]

Hold tab to bring it up to your face?

The AI officers are in the Roster section. Button on the bottom left

[hallow nebula]

Thanks I was bit confused after the NPC just killed my team

[lost inlet]

Double tab to put it away if it’s blocking your view.

[elfin flame]

man I've told my team to open and clear the room and instead of going where I told them, the lead man will just walk away through the door trying to find another path into the room

fortunately I figured out that quickly telling my squad to fall in then re-issuing the open and clear command makes them do it right this time

[upper ridge]

Most accurate customization cosmetics of real life FBI HRTs in RoN? What would they be?

[lost inlet]

Like military infantry but with FISA on the vest.

So multicam.

[floral dove]

Alright I gotta take a break, the SWAT AI is pissing me off too much

lmao

[upper ridge]

So basically everything from the supporter edition? Or are there more accurate options?

[lost inlet]

Yeah, pretty much.

I think supporter HRT still uses FBI logo instead of switching to FISA.

Ot is it HRT? I don’t remember anymore…

[upper ridge]

only logos i seen are HRT and FISA from them

no FBI whatsoever

[winter pendant]

guys I think I just figured it out

[cedar mulch]

FISA is a corrupt organisation that helps ‘los locos’ and ‘the Spider’ cover up their operations

[winter pendant]

on ANA, the "signal jammer" activates the S-vest

[cedar mulch]

[winter pendant]

You can clear the courtroom just fine without ever activating the signal jammer

the S-vest disarm prompt doesn't appear

then to finish the mission it looks like I'm going to have to go back, activate the jammer, and THEN disarm the vest?

[elfin flame]

He also has a Dead Man's Switch Detonator, which he'll detonate upon you entering the room or drop upon you dropping him (even non-lethally), leading to detonation.

[winter pendant]

He didn't activate it for me... idk if it's cause I got lucky with Negotiator or the flashbang or what but I arrested him without activating the jammer

[elfin flame]

...huh.

[winter pendant]

Upon going back, activating the jammer, coming back to him, and disarming the vest, the mission ended

[elfin flame]

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of that before, and that's not a strat I would bank on.

[cedar mulch]

https://ready-or-not.fandom.com/wiki/The_Spider_(Faction)

[elfin flame]

In the future I would advise ignoring the jammer, clearing most of the 4th floor while avoiding the final courtroom, then going back to the jammer to hit that and breach to take down Flowerhead

[winter pendant]

I'm really curious if the bombs are even armed. like maybe the jammer is a fakeout entirely?

[elfin flame]

I can assure you the jammer is not a fakeout.

I have had a rogue AI teammate solo-breach into the courtroom and trigger the explosives on an S-Rank run

[rocky raptor]

If you shot dead the vip guy the bombs go off also

[rocky raptor]

Damn

[hallow nebula]

How easy is the The spider?

[elfin flame]

Swan just fuckin busted in there, I remember audibly saying "Swan what the fuck are you doing?"

that's why I avoid telling my team to Open and Clear that 3rd Floor Staircase

[winter pendant]

ty

[elfin flame]

because iirc, Red Team stayed on 3rd while Blue pushed up to 4th, then Swan ditched Blue to push up and go into the courtroom, whole thing was a shitshow

if I had to guess what happened with you on a technical level (and mind this is all speculation), maybe your squad member's Negotiator proc activated and got him to surrender before anyone hit the script trigger to cause detonation

again, not a strat to bank on

[elfin flame]

Pretty easy, from my hazy memory. Most guards have Level 2 armor and pistol-caliber weapons, and there are less than 10 of them. Just remember to take the HVT alive as that is a mandatory objective

[hallow nebula]

I shot him in the leg.

[rocky raptor]

Nah, dont let the guy live, doesn't deserve it, the hard drives will do the same

[elfin flame]

I mean the guy's gonna die either way, rather he get a shank in the ribs in prison, at least keep up the facade of the justice system

[rocky raptor]

He died on the firefight, justice system tried to take him alive (I shot him in the back)

[unkempt granite]

did the devs make hunger strike with pure hatred or what 😭

[rocky raptor]

I think it got worse after boiling point, before that it was kinda normal

But seems the suspects are just executing people on sight after the first gunshot

[unkempt granite]

it's only 6 dudes but holy shit this will be a pain to S rank

F RANK???

[rocky raptor]

Don't even have advice because i haven't play that in a while, best of lucks tho

[unkempt granite]

ON COMPLETION???

[rocky raptor]

What?

[unkempt granite]

i just completed it

usually that would mean like C, B or maybe A if i did all

but not even D, an F????

[elfin flame]

did you miss any evidence? any officers dead?

[unkempt granite]

no one died

they killed 2 civs

[elfin flame]

cus if not then what the hell

[unkempt granite]

how am i even gonna do ts if they just shoot after like 30 secs

[elfin flame]

oh that would probably do it. Rescue All Civs is a pretty big score payout

[unkempt granite]

it doesn't even show as solved

[elfin flame]

because it's a primary mandatory objective for all levels, you technically didn't complete the mission

[unkempt granite]

i'll try to s rank it on standard

[rocky raptor]

You were doing it on hard?

[molten prairie]

S Ranking on Hard is like banging your head against a brick wall.

[unkempt granite]

nono, it's my first time completing the DLCs so i'm doing standard and then i s rank on hard

but it doesn't even show as solved so i'll just try and s rank it

[molten prairie]

The suspects would rather be filled full of lead and their corpse dumped into the ocean than to even consider for a moment giving up on Hard.

[unkempt granite]

do you use pacifiers and negotiators?

[rocky raptor]

People enjoy suffering way too much

[unkempt granite]

i've done thank you come again with only yelling

[molten prairie]

Yeah, and it can work. But ultimately comes down to "why."

[elfin flame]

(did some research for this) gentle reminder that the Active Shooter Timer on Hunger Strike is 60 seconds, you have literally a minute to get on site and neutralize the suspects

[molten prairie]

There’s zero reason to do your S runs on Hard besides hating yourself.

[rocky raptor]

There was a timer on this???

[molten prairie]

60 seconds is crazy.

[elfin flame]

there is for all of them, from what I could tell. Though my source could be outdated

[rocky raptor]

I remember doing A rank and never playing again, didn't even know that

[unkempt granite]

okay

[molten prairie]

My coffee maker takes longer than 60 seconds to brew.

[unkempt granite]

it's been like 50 seconds and they alr killed one hostage

[rocky raptor]

Maybe going without armor, but good luck surviving a gunfight

[unkempt granite]

deadass it's been 1:40 at max

i paused for a moment and got shot down when i resumed

[elfin flame]

For context (assuming this is accurate), Elephant and No Good Deed have a 150 second (two and a half minutes) timer and Mirage at Sea has a 180 second (three minute) timer

[unkempt granite]

not even relapse or elephant was like this

[cedar mulch]

Do you mean the map or the faction?

[elfin flame]

I assumed they meant the map

[unkempt granite]

mirage at sea can be cancelled though if you arrest the dude on white robes, elephant is just 3-4 dudes searching on a big place for some civs and even if they find one they'll have like 10s before shooting them

[rocky raptor]

I thought they just were moving around and depending if they find civs they would shot them on elephant, the one in mirage at sea I did know about it

[hexed oyster]

how do i turn off the render latency meter thing

[unkempt granite]

my guess is that i need to divide with my ai

[rocky raptor]

Any idea of the guys on no good deed?

[elfin flame]

again, the thing I'm using could be outdated or just wrong

also 150, according to this

[rocky raptor]

Ooooh

[unkempt granite]

i REALLY doubt it's 150 or even 100

[rocky raptor]

So i was kinda right when i s rank it and i was so mad i was starting to count the time

[unkempt granite]

lemme check

[elfin flame]

hearing your guys' anecdotes has me doubting this spreadsheet

[rocky raptor]

The hunger strike one may be a bug or something making the IA killing people way soon, in the first week of boiling point the bug forum was flooded with similar stories

[unkempt granite]

ok i got the trick

[rocky raptor]

Even hostages gettiing caped without TOC saying it

[elfin flame]

tried to send the link for the spreadsheet I'm using but automod blocked it, fair enough. You can find it by looking up "Ready or Not Spreadsheet" and looking through that first Reddit link

[unkempt granite]

i was able to arrest every suspect without them killing everyone

[hallow nebula]

map

[unkempt granite]

basically, choose parking lot spawnpoint, go for the door on the left, clear it and tell your ai to go to the hallway while you clear upstairs

as soon as you clear upstairs go to the kitchen

then go with ai to the main entrance via kitchen

now i can't complain 💔

[elfin flame]

I'm sure you'll find something soon /j

[short bough]

just downloaded like 50 mods and installed them correctly and now my game crashes immediately upon start.

Like 47 pak mods and a few audio file mods, judge and toc.

[unkempt granite]

some mods broke after boiling point update but some resisted

[short bough]

i see

[elfin flame]

I typically filter by last updated and keep a mental not of whenabouts the RoN update came out so I make sure the mods I do get are working for the latest patch

[short bough]

gotcha, welp time to start purging until it launches again

[unkempt granite]

go on nexus i think you can see your downloaded mods there

[short bough]

wait when i download mods do i put them in paks or mod.io

[elfin flame]

PAKS

[short bough]

figured

I put them all in "Paks" yea

[elfin flame]

They should automatically be sorted to the bottom of the list and start with 9

[short bough]

yea they are

[unkempt granite]

lemme try this on hard

because it seems AI also gets the entrance done

[hexed oyster]

how do you complete a mission? i got all the hostages and enemies and the evidence

[unkempt granite]

does it say soft complete on top left? that means you're missing evidence/soft objectives, but you can still vote to complete but not get the highest rank possible

[elfin flame]

There can be soft objectives not listed on the mission briefing that you'll have to find and secure.

[unkempt granite]

on first runs i recommend you just try to get through the mission really

[hexed oyster]

theres nothing on the top? but ive gone through the whole building

theres nothing left

nevermind i found the last evidence

[elfin flame]

Hold Tab to bring up your phone thing (I forget what it's actually called) and make sure you have "Bring Order to Chaos" and "Rescue all Civilians" completed, as well as any other objectives like arresting specific listed suspects or reporting listed objectives.

[unkempt granite]

nono, i meant top left of your screen

[hexed oyster]

👍

for a first timer do i do commander mode or quick play?

[rocky raptor]

After bringing order to chaos, you can order your guys to "search and secure" and they will get all the evidence left around the map

[rocky raptor]

Commander

The missions unlock in difficult order

[unkempt granite]

yeah just do this trust i got it done without anyone dying

[elfin flame]

pretty sure it's the same in Quick Play though, or at the very least they're listed in order of difficulty

[rocky raptor]

Yeah, but i feel its better to see them unfold one by one, also if he's going for a specific item related to a mission, its going to keep him awaiting for it

Or at least that was my experience

[hexed oyster]

are enemies harder on commander mode

[elfin flame]

no, but you have to worry about managing your team more

[unkempt granite]

nah, all gamemodes are the same but you get swat ai on commander

[elfin flame]

and Quick Play, though they won't get the buffs from Commander

[rocky raptor]

Your guys on commander have special traits, and you can lose them if they die, you can't restart the level on commander also

[elfin flame]

which is why I recommend Quick Play, more lax

[unkempt granite]

yeah but honestly just give them heavy armor + steel

and always use diamond formation it's the best one imo

[lost inlet]

No, it’s easier to deal with them cause you have officer traits.

[unkempt granite]

the other two missions for Los Suenos' Stories are all non-active shooters, right?

[rocky raptor]

Have you tried double line with shields on the front? It got me through ANA on S rank

[elfin flame]

correct

[unkempt granite]

i haven't tried ANA or boiling point

i'm still on los suenos' stories but maybe tomorrow i'll get started w it

[rocky raptor]

You're gonna love it

[unkempt granite]

i've heard really good stuff about it

[elfin flame]

also LSS only has the two missions

[unkempt granite]

but always heard ANA is the hardest mission ever

[rocky raptor]

Stolen valor can be tricky depending from where you gonna enter

[hexed oyster]

theres a grenade on my pistol

[rocky raptor]

That's a bug fairy common it seems

[short bough]

does anyone know if donuts attachment library still works? i downloaded it for a ton of his weapon mods but its way before the release date of boiling point

[unkempt granite]

i wouldn't say so since boiling point added attachments

but check the nexus page of it

[short bough]

what im finding is that a lot of the mods i have that are updated are dependant on outdated mods

[hexed oyster]

how do i command the crew to search the whole building?

[red cove]

u cannot

[elfin flame]

you unfortunately have to do it room by room

[unkempt granite]

search and secure

they search the building but i think it triggers after you rescue allc ivs and neutralize all suspects

or it's just a register room with another name

are ls stories missions maps from the beta?

[short bough]

your method worked, thanks.

[lost inlet]

Hunger strikes.

Its used to be fast food back in early access day.

[elfin flame]

glad I could help

[short bough]

my second favorite mission gameplay wise.

my fastest run is a little under 2 minutes i believe, A+

[cedar mulch]

This map is harder than Community College. They’re far too keen on killing hostages.

[short bough]

i tend to like missions that are more likely to happen in my area, even though leviathan is definitely one of my favorites cause let’s be real it’s a literal oil rig, that doesn’t really hit home for me.

[unkempt granite]

@cedar mulch try to do this

this helped me finish the mission in like 6 mins

[lost inlet]

used to be my favorite back in early access day, you can do some funny setup in active shooter mode with certain mods.

[short bough]

i 100% agree lol, took me like 2 hours to get A+ simply because 20 seconds the start blowing away citizens.

[lost inlet]

1 minutes to find and neutralize all 7 of them, i can see why it's hard.

[short bough]

i hear stuff like this all the time, kinda makes me wish i just pull the trigger before it was $70.

[lost inlet]

i was lucky enough someone gifted me instead.

[ocean steeple]

is it normal to take no damage from trap blasts?

I tripped ones in sins of the father and miraculously didnt die or take any damage 💀

[lost inlet]

you could've tripped a flash bang trap instead.

[ocean steeple]

It very clearly was not a flashbang

[short bough]

did it go bang and disorient you?

[lost inlet]

does it makes the same high pitch explosion sfx like flash grenade or a low pitch explosion?

[ocean steeple]

Nope. I tripped it. I heard the tick and backed away quickly. big loud orange boom and the blast marks were there

[cedar mulch]

I’ve found that several of the maps in Los Locos are quite tricky, apart from the car dealership and the seaside villa, and the Rust Belt tunnel

[lost inlet]

cause i'm pretty sure frag grenade trap is designed to instakill you if you're within its radius.

[short bough]

could’ve been a ford f150

[lost inlet]

regardless of how much health you have.

[short bough]

they go boom similar to that desc

[ocean steeple]

thats why i’m confused

me and my squad should all be dead 😭

[lost inlet]

we might need a video on that.

cause flashbang also leave behind blast mark.

[short bough]

first time playing that cabin mission i forgot about traps and watched me entire team blow up on a door i gave them the order to open. Quite horrifying

[ocean steeple]

my first time on ides of march i forgot about the IED on the main spawn door and lost 2 of my guys

[elfin flame]

Looked a bit into it, Sins of the Father either only has Flashbang traps on Normal or Frag Traps on Hard difficulty. What difficulty were you playing on?

[short bough]

happens to me from time to time

i zone out clearing and forgot to mirror

[ocean steeple]

Oh i guess it was a flashbang bc i was on normal

Either way i didnt get disoriented from it either

[elfin flame]

Maybe the doorframe blocked it from where you were somehow

[wooden shard]

i cant understand how the suspect behave on new america

they can choose to randomly jump out a door almost like its scripted

[lost inlet]

you probably were wearing anti flash goggle.

it cancels out the screen debuff effect but still applies slow movement speed debuff.

[ocean steeple]

They know where you are through IR trip wires on the floor

they can also play dead so i’d be aware of that

[wooden shard]

tripped none of them, not even the fire alarm

[elfin flame]

Because to an extent it is. Watch out for little black devices along the walls, they are IR laser emitters. When you cross one, you will hear a click and enemies in nearby rooms will be alerted and "counter-breach" you by kicking the door down and throwing a flash before moving in to clear you out.

[ocean steeple]

They’re silent alarms like motion sensors

You can only see them with night vision

[wooden shard]

i know about all of those

[ocean steeple]

they can see you through the cameras too

[wooden shard]

none of them got set off

[ocean steeple]

you have to turn the cameras in the security room off

[wooden shard]

doesnt that only just feed the cam to your phone

[ocean steeple]

No. They can use it to see you

[wooden shard]

noted

[ocean steeple]

Hacking it makes it so they can’t and so you can use them instead

[elfin flame]

I might have to do a few test runs to prove that, I thought that was all anecdotal cope

[wooden shard]

anyone can fact check this?

from what i figured out so far

i killed 4 of them in a hallway and sat there for like 5 minutes

[lost inlet]

first time i heard that ANA has security cameras that can works against you.

[wooden shard]

second i walked pass the door a bsg swung out and domed me

[elfin flame]

in any case, maybe they heard your footsteps? you can slow to a walk by holding shift

[rocky raptor]

They heard you shout, pick the lock and the IR wires

[rocky raptor]

They do from my experience

[ocean steeple]

You do have to be very quiet. Make sure they’re actually dead too if you’re going lethal

like i said they will fake dying and they’ll get right back up to trick you

[elfin flame]

I use the IR to my advantage on that map, or otherwise intentionally draw them out while I hole up in a defensible area

[rocky raptor]

I bondage or execute them after the firefight

[elfin flame]

let them funnel in through the door as I pop them one by one (your mileage may vary, especially on Hard diff)

[winter pendant]

It's my impression that the MLO can use the cameras EVEN if you rewire them at the start. HOWEVER you can disable the cameras by shooting them or || by shutting off the power in the utility room by the elevators on floor 20 ||

[wooden shard]

i crouch walk so i can do the low peak using alt

[lost inlet]

@crude prism can you confirm this?

[elfin flame]

oh shit they're here? they made the spreadsheet I've been using

[wooden shard]

btw its on hard mode

[winter pendant]

If you stand in one of the main open hallways, even if you don't trip any lasers you will soon find yourself getting clobbered. But not so in the siderooms.

[rocky raptor]

Rewire them only makes you able to use them too, cutting the electric power in the second floor seems to help avoiding the cameras, at least in my experience

[crude prism]

no relation

[cinder field]

huh

[crude prism]

I don't think they actually affect AI knowledge or anything(?)

[lost inlet]

lmao.

[cedar mulch]

Has the spreadsheet been updated recently?

[lost inlet]

devs added for placebo effect.

[winter pendant]

Tell us what the fire alarms do

[elfin flame]

as I said, I thought it was anecdotal cope

[wooden shard]

alerts the whole floor

[winter pendant]

To what though? To where?

[rocky raptor]

I thought they could cover you footsteps but maybe you can use them to lure them

[winter pendant]

Does it matter if you pull it vs an enemy, or which one is pulled?

What do???

[elfin flame]

I thought it provided a sound cover to allow you to more stealthily breach, but never trusted that thought and ignored them. I notice MLO tend to use it for the same, as well as visual distortion from the water

[wooden shard]

its the same effect, it like a ir laser that alerts the whole floor

[lost inlet]

also IR motion sensor getting tripped just alerts the nearest suspect to rush you or is it a randomised?

[rocky raptor]

I think it's nearest guys

[wooden shard]

its weird, i think MLO will be the ones to push IR trips

[elfin flame]

I'm sure it alerts specifically MLO soldiers (the more heavily armored guys) in nearby rooms and gets them to counter-breach you

the Sentinel guys (less armor, typically no helmets) seem to just be aware of your presence but won't push with MLO

at least from my experience

[crude prism]

Afaik it doesn't matter who pulls it, but will trigger everyone on the floor to start clearing, no they don't know where you are

[elfin flame]

might have to try that out, get them in a decent funnel with wedges

[winter pendant]

Ty and also your spreadsheet is invaluable

[wooden shard]

alarm just puts them in the ready state

they will have way quicker reaction time in ready

[lost inlet]

so it's just bad luck that one of them started clearing the room you're in currently.

[winter pendant]

That sort of implies there's no good reason to pull it yourself unless you're exceptionally good at baiting

[elfin flame]

y'know it's nice to actually talk about this game with people instead of speculating mostly on my own

[rocky raptor]

Yeah

[lost inlet]

might wanna added that as a note in the google doc.

[elfin flame]

frankly ANA has so much depth it might be worth its own page

[rocky raptor]

And don't get me started on lore wise stuff

It's a lovely mission all things considered

What's y'all opinion about the people that said ANA should get a little easier?

[wooden shard]

whats ana?

[rocky raptor]

A New America, the last mission of the newest dlc

[crude prism]

I believe that motion detector just acts as a stress source like gunshots/yelling/etc.

Any suspect within range will activate off it and act accordingly (MLO push, mercenaries rev up the strafe machine)

[wooden shard]

how to make it easier? 1 i would remove certain thing away from critical corner. there has been one plant that is in such a perfect spot that you cant see the enemies but they will see you

i have been having a love hate relationship with that plant

[lost inlet]

how much stress does it gives?

[crude prism]

No clue, a gazillion if I have to guess.

Just insta-activates

[elfin flame]

That fucking atrium/staircase in the 3rd floor has bit me in the ass so many times, its led to my current strat of avoiding and quarantining it like the plague

[rocky raptor]

It's a rng bet very much

[crude prism]

The staircase/landing to the 4th floor and the atrium below it is the worst part of the whole map

Absolute nonsense area

[elfin flame]

I typically block off any routes from there and that main hall as I work around to the conference room at the back of the stairs, then try to strike from behind

I say try because it's an absolute clusterfuck

[sonic sleet]

I can’t stand the top part of that stair case bc they have imaginary sight lines to your head through granite

[lost inlet]

also MK18's 14.5 suppressed muzzle device option doesn't increases gun's total length? What?

[elfin flame]

does the unsuppressed 14.5 affect total length?

[lost inlet]

...no...

i guess boid missed their physic classes.

and geometric math.

[elfin flame]

maybe they forgot to add that part in haste, idk

in any case, odd

[lost inlet]

if you want recoil reduction but without increasing your gun's length on the MK18, just use the longer barrel lol.

[lost inlet]

now i'm curious, which gun has the most length by base stat alone and with attachment? I'm asking since your document doesn't listed that info.

[crude prism]

I'd have to go browse them all, and the mk18 barrel does increase "length" a bit, but it's a new stat, not the old one

[lost inlet]

oh.

also, i'm guessing it's a tie between G3 and SCAR-H in the gun with the longest base length. G3 wins out in longest possible cause it has tundra silencer.

[sudden zephyr]

mg338 in my opinion

[elfin flame]

we're sticking with vanilla weapons, at least for now

[sudden zephyr]

vanilla guns are garbage

[elfin flame]

well they're what everyone has access to regardless of platform, therefore they're gonna be the most documented.

And some people like garbage guns instead of running around with a massive mag insta-kill LMG.

[elfin flame]

also what do you mean "in my opinion"? We're measuring barrel length which seems to be a purely objective statistic not affected by opinion

[cedar mulch]

What exactly is the difference between Cartel’s MK18 and the one players have, and why is their MK18 so formidable?

[harsh inlet]

So me and my buddy just did a fully detailed experiment on every single weapon, caliber, and category of ammunition used against steel, Kevlar, and ceramic. All measure from 0 meters - 100 meters. Does anyone wanna guess which gun specifically was our winner for every body armor at any range?

[rocky raptor]

Let's see

[elfin flame]

sure, I'm curious

if I need to guess, I'm assuming the new SR25 added with Boiling Point using AP?

[harsh inlet]

The M14 with AP ammunition.
At point blank range, 1-3 shots to kill all body armor (steel 2-3) (ceramic 2) (Kevlar 1)
At a range of 50 meters
(Steel 1-2) (ceramic 1-2) (Kevlar 1)
At a range of 100 meters
(Steel 1-3 varies with shot placement center mass) (ceramic 1-2) (Kevlar 1)
This took us 4 hours of goofing off, curiosity, and being bored.

[harsh inlet]

6.5 creedmor showed that it’s very ineffective against all types of body armor. At point blank to 50 meters (Steel 3-8) (ceramic 4-6) (Kevlar 1-3)
60-100 meters
(Steel 5-9) (ceramic 4-7) (Kevlar 1-4)

We were extremely bored😂

[elfin flame]

oh damn, good to know then

[sage valve]

Which dlc's should I buy

[harsh inlet]

I kept notes of all the ammunition from every barrel length and platforms against every armor so you guys wouldn’t have to when y’all get curious

[rocky raptor]

Depends of what you want

[harsh inlet]

All of them, feed the void

[sage valve]

I plan to buy the game today and I might buy some dlc's as well

[elfin flame]

DLCs are mostly for cosmetics and levels; weapons included with DLC updates are free and available to everyone and you can play DLC levels if the host has the DLC, even if you yourself don't own it. If you can only afford one or two look through their pages and see if their cosmetics or levels catch your eye

[rocky raptor]

Start with home invasion, it's the easiest one

[sage valve]

Ill go check them out later ig

[rocky raptor]

And also has the better cosmetics in my opinion

[harsh inlet]

A new America will be your biggest crash out and most favorite mission 100%

[elfin flame]

I will say, the lastest DLC Boiling Point adds a lot of helmetless cosmetic options

[rocky raptor]

Practically all the ones lol

[elfin flame]

and yeah, Home Invasion has some good drip

[lost inlet]

is this friendly fire?

[harsh inlet]

Friendly fire is just a suggestion

[elfin flame]

yeah, only vanilla helmetless one is the earpro or nothing

it's not Friendly Fire, it's science

[harsh inlet]

You get it 😃

[lost inlet]

i meant is this test using player's guns on other player?

[harsh inlet]

Testing was used on every map

[elfin flame]

I'm assuming so, yeah. Hard to do controlled experiments otherwise

[harsh inlet]

From vanilla- boiling point and also mixed with player vs player* the statistics shown are player vs enemy

Thus why it took us 4 hours lmao

A new America especially

[short bough]

if i download mods from nexus that require a mod that i have downloaded through mod.io IN GAME, will they still work together or no because seperate filing?

[elfin flame]

honestly not sure, I don't use Mod.io for this game. I'm assuming so long as both mods are loaded at all they should work in tandem, but I advise sticking with one ecosystem or the other in the future

[short bough]

fair enough.

[lost inlet]

player's damage against other player are a can of worm since damage cap isn't being applies to it so the result may varies a lot.

[hexed oyster]

can you stealth? and is stealth viable

also can the enemy ai hear you when you do the get down shout or one of your ai teammate does

[short bough]

yes they can and no you cant do stealth super well.

Eventually youll be spotted or have to tell someone to get down

and if youre doing a clean run youll lose points for killing someone whos unaware

the range they can hear your orders isnt super far i dont think though

[lost inlet]

Technically but very limited like C said. Best method to stealth is do less actions as possible while using slow walk.

[hexed oyster]

how well can enemy ai hear suppresors

[lost inlet]

Like shouting, kicking, lockpicking with default tool(?), shooting and ADSing at suspect.

[lost inlet]

Think it’s 20m by default. In ANA, it’s bumped up to 50m.

[elfin flame]

I don't try to stealth, in my eyes suppressors are only really useful to differentiate between allied and hostile gunshots, and roleplaying a touch to make sure nearby civs don't lose their hearing

[marsh lark]

Suppressors serve more as a way to not stress suspects that much

[lost inlet]

only works on map where suspect doesn't started off stressed already or have decent amount of points away from the stress threshold.

[woven obsidian]

Hi guys, sorry for being repetitive, but does anyone know if Void is working on fixing the F90 bug?

On PS5 and PC it’s impossible to use that weapon because once you activate right-side free lean, every shot snaps your character back to the standard position, ruining your aim and making the weapon unusable.
It’s also happening with other fast-firing weapons like the P90 and the new automatic pistol.

This bug has been present on the F90 for a year now, but after the recent patches it’s starting to appear on other fast-firing weapons as well on rare occasions
But always with the F90

[molten prairie]

If the question starts with any variation of "is Void working on [insert bug that needs fixing here]"

The answer is likely "no."

[regal bronze]

How do I have The Hermit achievement but I never recived the rolex?

[woven obsidian]

Oh…okay
It’s just that it’s been a freaking year…

[marsh lark]

Please do not troll others or misinform them in a way that would discourage them from reporting it.

[marsh lark]

I can't remember now, but I believe this is a mixed bag. I'd need to check once I get home, but I am pretty sure I don't have this issue with F90

[woven obsidian]

Thanks.
The bug occurs on both PS5 and PC.

I’ve reported it multiple times, both on Discord and through other channels. If you search for “F90 free lean” in the bug reports, you can also find a video showing it.

Every time a full right free lean is performed and you start firing, the bug triggers.

It has also recently been reported by Bres with a video a few days ago.

[marsh lark]

I know what you mean, though I recall this issue only on modded weapons, but I have seen at least 1 report by a user about this affecting vanilla weapons

[woven obsidian]

Yes, exactly.
I personally have had this bug for a year now, only with the F90. However, after the recent patches it has started happening with other weapons too, but only very rarely.
The only weapon that is completely broken is the F90. It’s frustrating because I love that weapon and I basically haven’t been able to use it for a year.
I’ve tried changing console, playing on PC, and reinstalling the game, but nothing works. It happens on both PC and console. 😢😢😢😢😢

[marsh lark]

I'll check once I get home

[woven obsidian]

Thanks so much for the reply.
By the way, I feel a bit guilty because I’ve sent three emails over the course of a year about this, other people too
and I feel like I might be bothering the team 😂

[marsh lark]

If I will face the same issue I will ask around to see what it is.

[woven obsidian]

Yep thanks
It’s present on YouTube too sometimes on strems and other famous youtuber talk about it…I think the problem is that just a few people report it on discord but so much people has it

[rocky plover]

Different requirements for them

Achievement: no Kia and incap
Watch: no Kia and resign

[quasi coral]

Come on VOID, please

The next patch HAS to have the thumb clipping into laser devices fixed

I can't use any damn cool grip without my thumb literally going through the battery compartment of my PEQ-15

It pains me so bad, like I can totally live with my magnifier going through my backup irons but MAN is it painful going high ready and my thumbs just straight through

You coulddd shrug it off with low ready, but the LVAR has the most painfully visible clip that no one could look past it

[slim kite]

Any chance they fix Hunger Strike any time soon? I am running grenade launchers and trying to Rambo the second floor but I can never save all hostages on time...

[hollow finch]

watch requires no officers resigning

the achievement has no such requirement

[wide verge]

I actually like it. It's doable. You have to change your approach tho, similar to Elephant. Dynamic entries, violence of action

[rocky plover]

except of 4 resign all at once lol

[storm belfry]

Is the .357 goated?

[rocky plover]

i think it's intended to be like that

[storm belfry]

I'm using it to do relapse

[hollow finch]

kinda sucks honestly

it has one niche of dropping unarmored suspects on standard with JHP thats it

[rocky plover]

It was nice for 1 taps on unarmoured or very lightly armoured but ever since the MkV was added it became pretty much redundant especially with the MkV being able to 1 tap even armoured suspects

[hollow finch]

👆

[rocky plover]

The MkV just has too many advantages over the revolver
Holds 1 more round
Reloads quicker and can retain mags (partial reloads)
AP is still good on limbs
Good on armored

[short bough]

the first time seeing a trailers operator roaming around the map cleaning stuff up i shot tf out of him it scared me so bad. He just ran right around the corner and into me and was wearing completely different stuff so i was kinda confused.

[rocky plover]

😂

[storm belfry]

Just carried me through Relapse with THE HK416 YEAHHH

[rocky plover]

Nice

[storm belfry]

Listening to country music gave me extra accuracy

[rocky plover]

[storm belfry]

Brought out my inner Mercenary whenever I brought the HK416 out

I was hitting head tap after head tap

"You hesitate, are you not ready to die for a cause, cause I'm ready to die for this city even if it means I'm remembered as a monster"

I say before promptly hitting 4 direct 357 rounds

[rocky rover]

fancy

[storm belfry]

Only had 12 shots and I'm putting 4 down range

HK416 had like 9 mags and a nightmarish level of accuracy especially with laser

Felt like I was back in my prime cod days hitting those beautiful head taps that made one guy slump into a chair

[worthy stag]

I seriously believe they need to fix the global illumination for this game so that it looks more dramatic and gritty. Sometimes my teammates look sweaty asf in the darkness and their eyes look dead empty it looks extremely anti-climatic and comical

[storm belfry]

Never noticed it

(My graphics are horse shit and my aim is beautiful)

[worthy stag]

specs:

[storm belfry]

Its a PS5 brotato, its garbage

[worthy stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mimir-the-piterroles-gif-22679697

[green arrow]

I wish there was more gas masks

[worthy stag]

I would like to shake hands with the devs of this game and ask them when would be the possibility of getting any roadmap for updates/content

[storm belfry]

same

Give me a whole ass NBC suit

[green arrow]

Literally one of the better looking ones is for supporter

[storm belfry]

Better yet CBRN suit

Amoungus

[worthy stag]

There should be way more costumization for the game overall. Like ever since I played this game for the first time, shirts are still clipping with the vest, accessories clipping with the pants and face. The character models clip with clothing during animations and you are able to see parts of the skin through the damn shirt. and this has been in the game for YEARS now

[green arrow]

I think one of the dlc vest clips with a lot of clothing

[storm belfry]

Heavy Vests clip with like 99% of stuff

[green arrow]

Yeah

[storm belfry]

@green arrow is this ass #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message?

[worthy stag]

I am not even gonna get into the fact that suspect and civilian AI act so comically oblivious and unaware when you have been emptying mags on people in the same damn building. Like if you go into a room wearing some serious military attire and armed to the teeth yelling with your gun on point, resistance should be almost non-existent unless they are up to something. You should not need to spam them orders to put their hands up and sometimes even muzzle strike them with your weapon for compliance

[green arrow]

Tbh for vanilla its good