👮ron-discussion

[pale sparrow]

yell at me

[fast mantle]

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" i recite after toc chews me out for capping civies

[pale sparrow]

just gotta say they were resisting arrest ig

[fiery escarp]

19 gunshot wounds in the head and chest areas sez no

[fast mantle]

Thats my excuse for always shooting jack adams (fisa agent on grease palms)

[red drum]

I have been trying to S tire a new America and it's so hard bruh, I been using the flash bang gun and I don't even have enough ammo

Any tips?

[fast mantle]

He ignored every yell and I hit him for a minute straight. Even flashbanged him and nothing. Just had to shoot the guy

[fiery escarp]

Don't

[red drum]

It's not worth it?

[fiery escarp]

It is not worh smashing your head against the wall

[red drum]

I was actually close, there was one guy left and my ai teammate died

[fast mantle]

Heavy armor and steel plates

[red drum]

The amount of anger I felt

[fiery escarp]

Steel isn't doing anything since they're going to 1-tap you in the head

[fast mantle]

Itll save you from body shots

Might as well run it

Especially since ceramic breaks and becomes useless

[glass heart]

steel actually does help

[red drum]

Am I able to get more ammo for the flash?

[glass heart]

if you free lean and crouch the cahracter hitbox gets contorted

so your pov is actually steel plates i think?

so yeah they help cuz of this

[fast mantle]

Dont bring anything that isnt ammo or run light armor with steel plates if you need it

[wooden lintel]

You can get ammo in the top floor

[glass heart]

this is why you see literally every single solo runner abuse free lean btw

[red drum]

That doesn't work

[red drum]

Alr what do u recommend me to use

[wooden lintel]

Why?

[red drum]

Like I can't pick it up, no button or anything

[wooden lintel]

Yellow box, if you enter the left stairs go left and there it is

[fast mantle]

If you really really need the ammo, run light armor with steel plates, and bring nothing else (no tacticals, no secondary ammo, etc).

[red drum]

What room is it mostly in?

[wooden lintel]

Always top floor where the court room is (ana mission)

[fast mantle]

I also give 2 ai teamates shields with pepper pistols. They get 3 mags for them. Then have 2 guys that either also have a bunch of flash ammo or a bunch of flash bangs.

[red drum]

Alr thanks I thought u meant that orange box bear that ai box thing

[final jacinth]

USIA and FISA created Gerard Scott, Guadamah and Elaine Raskin, they were programmed to create cults, terrorist organizations etc. for Los-Suenos to become "Gotham" city, USIA never stopped MKultra, they found a way to programm people, the First Cohort (MLO, Raskin, Gerard Scott etc.) was partly success. Their programm was broken, USIA used this to creat the Second Cohort (Judge and other SWAT members). They manipulated TOC, FISA and LSPD command. They planned terrorist attacks through the First Cohort and made Judge handle it, The Left Behind, The Hand, The Carriers of the Vine etc, it was ALL created only for Judge to handle. The Third Cohort (the new government) is getting prepared to take over the USA, and then take over the world (we can see references in A New America and reading the documentary of Gerard Scott). The new DLC will be about LSPD and several other departments fighting against USIA before they can replace the government with programmed dolls.

Fun fact: The FISA agent we arrest/terminate in the mail level is actually the only FISA agent which is'nt corrupted and fights LSPD. He is taken in custody to then be moved into secret USIA prison to be tortured and become the part of the Third Cohort.

All the ex-USIA agents we take in custody are secretly being sent to USIA prisons to become the part of the Third Cohort and become new USA government.

Ask your questions, I can answer all of them, the lore is crazy.

[fast mantle]

Everyone gets steel plates. Flow with them. Be the first to flash

[wooden lintel]

No problem, you'll get everything including nades

[fast mantle]

woah

[red drum]

Alr I'm gonna try, hopefully I get s tire thanks for da help

[final jacinth]

The truth is: MKultra was never shut, the enemy is closer than you think.

[lyric field]

Aaaand i almost finished ama

[fast mantle]

We have to kill judge to end everything

[lyric field]

TILL ON OF MY TEAMATES SHOT A GAS CONTAINER AND KILLED THE CIVIS

[wooden lintel]

Good luck!

[final jacinth]

Guys what do u think about this crazy trvth-nvke?

[wooden lintel]

And remember, only Judge can judge you

[fast mantle]

I didn't know it ran this deep. It's crazy

[sonic sleet]

I’m so sick of this fucking crackhead ai w inhuman reaction time. They can’t make quality ai so they crank the react time to unrealistic ass stats to make it more hard but def not more realistic

[red drum]

Welp it didn't work out good

[urban mural]

But your AI swat doesn't get that and they sit like idiots and are willing to be target practice for the suspects.

[final jacinth]

The fact is that 50% of this isnt true lol, i just made it up to look like a real lore cuz some things out here are very real. I suggest you watch about the lore, cuz its really deep and involves MKultra, USIA and many other cool things

[fast mantle]

How could you

[urban mural]

Tho it kinda reflects reality.

[sonic sleet]

I’m doing programmed psychosis so no ai to help lol

[final jacinth]

well actually i would most likely believe its true, cuz gerard, guadamah and raskin are the part of first cohort

and many other info is fully true/partially true

[fast mantle]

Rankin really doesn't seem like she would be a part of it. I fully believe they're just a lady cult to kill assaulters

[final jacinth]

FISA is most likely involved too, but unconfirmed. we know that they are involved in gun and people trafficking

[fast mantle]

Adam's is such a prick

[final jacinth]

Nah, she is, there are confirmations that she knows gerard, also she was a usia agent. the mission briefing confirms it, we still dont know why she got fired with gerard

And she knows about MLO

[fast mantle]

Interesting

[urban mural]

She has a document in evidence locker where the last name of David is written.

[fast mantle]

I've been forgetting to read those but I plan to when I play through chronologically

[final jacinth]

"The First Cohort (MLO, and most likely "the left behind" and fully/partially other criminal organizations) was a failure. We built monsters, and turned them loose in the dark. It's only a matter of time before the mariposas grow and you're hung out to dry." - Elaine Raskin

[fast mantle]

Oooh maybe the people the cult kills are apart of of cohort too

[tender mountain]

Bro what did we do 🙏

[fast mantle]

Told us to close the door on trafficked women

[final jacinth]

Maybe its just a cover for other women to join and create MLO-like organization, we can find evidence about creating a revolt of some kind

[fast mantle]

I'd assume against the USIA

[final jacinth]

USIA is 100% involved in stuff like MKultra, creating super-soldiers etc., FISA is very corrupt and involved in drug, weaponry and human trafficking, the LSPD is corrupt too but its like 50/50 since we are atleast trying to end it.

So FISA is 1 step lower than the USIA.

[fast mantle]

I really hope we get to see judge take d platoon against them

A civil war just breaks out

Ready or Not 2 just makes you Delta force operators against the government

[final jacinth]

It's like "super conspirative government-controlled organization running tests and creating super-soldiers" VS corrupt FISA idiots that can't even make LSPD mislead operations against their drug and weaponry smuggling

I also have a cool theory that since the russian mafia is running gun and people trafficking and the cartels are running drugs so the FISA terminate them in order to control the market. Or FISA is just not involved and it really tried to fix everything (which i think is the truth)

Cuz i can believe that USIA is somehow involved and just doesn't get into FISA & LSPD business inside Los-Suenos but the MLO and others do

[fast mantle]

Don't they tell you to close the door to keep up the op the have to get to the source of the smuggling?

[final jacinth]

Yes they do, but i cant really believe that they will leave them there, cuz its like "yeah we are taking the port hokan with all the weapons and people inside but not that 1 container its ours dont touch it"

[red drum]

Bruh I was so close again and my whole team died

This has to be ragebait

[final jacinth]

they probably told us to close it to be sure that women inside stay safe

[fast mantle]

Or to actually ship them out and save them later

[final jacinth]

yeah maybe

[fast mantle]

Need to watch wendigoons lore video and then look at shit myself

On console I just ignored everything

I'm still ignoring most of it but with real intent to look

[stoic thistle]

I mean, the port is probably surrounded by cops. Those women should be given an ambulance and therapy, not locked away.

[fast mantle]

There are plenty of situations where something should be done but isnt

[urban mural]

Bruh I can't see a SWAT AI guy getting shot but not shooting back.

[final jacinth]

In the briefing we can hear the port is changed by blocks, A, B, C and etc cuz thats an operation in which many agencies are involved, i cant believe that FISA will go on such risks to hide some women from all the investigators that are coming the next second operation ends lol

Escorting all of them is just very dangerous since the port is full of unknown amount of armed people trying to kill you

[stoic thistle]

Unrelated, but I'm surprised that Fremont died.

[fast mantle]

There should have been more security on the pier but there wasn't. We shouldn't be the people clearing oil rigs, yachts, or an abandoned resort, but we are (seriously we they fuck arent they sending coast guard or feds)

[fast mantle]

Im not. Mfs were gunning for him. 2 sniper nests in one building and fake secret service to off his family? they really wanted him dead

[frail pond]

Love how the chat discusses and hates on the games realism all day

[stoic thistle]

Apparently the plaque in city hall implies he died on the same date as sins of the father.

[fast mantle]

Yeah. Players bang every room atp but dont like balaclavas in games. Hell, real LAPD hardly use bangers to avoid hitting civilians or children

[urban mural]

Wonder if the secret service was sent by USIA cuz Freemont knew something he shouldn't.

[fast mantle]

And theres only five officers being sent into a situation that warrants 50

[surreal merlin]

whats the best approach that gives me an easier time in the warehouse in hard greased palms

[urban mural]

I heard a SWAT guy on YT saying that they send at least like 15 for 1 armed guy.

[fast mantle]

It was either USIA messing with politics or the Left Behind upping their game to get him

[final jacinth]

NO AGENCY is sending 5 swat troops against 25 armed suspects inside port hokan or 25 armed terrorists, victims of MKultra on ANM

[stoic thistle]

I think Fremont was the USIA's hand puppet. Their representative for their new totalitarian America.

[fast mantle]

We mightve seen the same video

[final jacinth]

but yk if it was like 50v25 the game wouldnt be fun at all

so we gotta accept it

[fast mantle]

No agency is sending only 5 guys for any situation we face, except for maybe Ends of the Earth but that's being super generous.

[final jacinth]

also TY,CA maybe but uhh

[stoic thistle]

How would the real police even handle ANA?

[fast mantle]

True. Would be cool if there was a multiplayer mod that allows each person to have their own AI group

[final jacinth]

3 suspects , but i think there should be more police cars outside cuz like yo they are armed and shit

[fast mantle]

Send national guard and a fuck ton of swat

[urban mural]

Los Suenos has probably 5 guys in every situation cuz probably due to high crime most SWAT teams are busy with other stuff happening in the city and they can't send a lot of SWAT teams to deal with 1 situation cuz the SWAT might be needed like in almost every corner of the city.

[fast mantle]

I didnt even think about that yeah

[stoic thistle]

The LSPD sent 8 guys into ANA, 3 got capped.

[fast mantle]

Hell, let us use our whole roster for bigger missions

[wooden lintel]

Quality of life mod does that but only for host, you can control your ai team and have friends with you

[fast mantle]

That would be cool but horrible to control

[final jacinth]

hey what

[fast mantle]

OOOh that sounds really nice. Real people are so good to play with if you communicate

[final jacinth]

1. Evacuate people in the bulding/around
2. Surround it by like >1000 officers cuz of the major area
3. Send in several National Guard teams w lspd swat, then send in EMI bombs to turn off the detonator or just defuse the building before pushing
4. Operation on termination of all threats

[wooden lintel]

Yeah, we used ai team to bait or just cover some areas

[fast mantle]

I could see like a 2 ai 2 real split on room clears

Like the hide and seek warehouse

[wooden lintel]

You can choose from 0 to 4 ai bots with that mod

[urban mural]

Maybe they would send tier 1 units in to deal with this.

[final jacinth]

yeah ofc, like some elite task force made up from the best of the best

reminds me of nine tailed fox from scp cb

[urban mural]

CAG most likely would be sent.

[final jacinth]

wouldnt be surprised to know that ANA is an inside job✌️

[red drum]

Alright so S tire for the new America went horribly, I got one tap in the head when I was going up the stairs to the court room

[final jacinth]

idk who these guys are

[final jacinth]

Hey, are you going alone? what weaponry do u use?

[urban mural]

Combat Applications Group/Delta Force and they have other nominations.

[red drum]

I use ai teammates and I use the flag gun

Idk maybe some of ya would be down to help me

Considering ya are smarter than my AI teammates

[final jacinth]

push 4th floor first for infinite ammo, then just destroy the bulding using your launcher

2nd and 3rd floor are hard to clear, 4th floor is mid but if u manage to do it its like 50% of ur run

3rd floor will be the hardest to deal with cuz of the courtroom and shi

advice: bait your enemies with flashlight, it makes them push you/give out their positions

[stoic thistle]

Yeah, it's RNG whether the door is open or not.

[red drum]

Mmm alr

I'll try

[final jacinth]

i've seen a guy solo ANA s-rank without armor with only a shotgun and some flashes

[red drum]

This is probably my last try cuz anytime I get towards the Court room I immediately get sprayed down

[wooden lintel]

For the court room assuming you cleared everything if you use ai team, send 2 guys to left door, 2 to right door, make them c2 and bang and you go front with launcher

[final jacinth]

just bait them

[red drum]

Alr

Welp I'll try one more time hopefully I get this S

[final jacinth]

open the front door and flashlight inside before turning on the signal jammer so they rush you and leave no enemies / 1 enemy inside, works like swiss clocks

[wooden lintel]

Casual, standard or hard?

[final jacinth]

BUT DONT SHOW UP IN THE DOOR! he will activate the detonator

[final jacinth]

also if u can, use the mirror gun and see how much enemies you are dealing with in the courtroom, also i think this thing is the best 3rd slot in the game overall

this makes the run a lot easier

[surreal merlin]

i swear this ai isnt built for hard mode 🥀

[wooden lintel]

I'm having literally blast (to my face) with MLO AI mod, max suspects variant had 44 suspects in the end of the world map lol

[red drum]

😢 yeah nothing working

I'mma need real people to do this bruh

My AI teammates are just terrible

[tender mountain]

Ay we seen nothing and so did you.

[sonic sleet]

I stg I think you have to become John wick himself to beat programmed psychosis

And have inhuman reactions like the ai

[glad dune]

Ill try to do that aswell

Its not impossible

[sonic sleet]

I get mad far and then have some crazy ass mf one tap me from hell

[glad dune]

Oh yeah
I hate that shit

I dont even know how tf they do that

Are they secretly ron devs?

[sonic sleet]

Bc their reaction time is literally coded at 50 millisecond which is faster then the muscle reaction time for the muscle in your eye that makes you blink which is the fastest human reaction time and they run 7.62 ap fal that ignores shields or heavy steel armor all together

RON devs couldn’t make good ai so they settled w crackhead inhuman stats for the ai on hard

[fiery escarp]

Home Invasion DLC is big eargasmo

Great soundtrack and that siren in the distance

[sonic sleet]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media @glad dune

[glad dune]

Bruh

[sonic sleet]

Like wtf was that

[wild stream]

Just finished The Hermit/The World/Dress to Impress and I just realized for some reason "The Left Behind" "The Abducted" and "The Decaying City" are bugged

[smoky moss]

are the other less lethal weapons good (vpl-25/tpl), I never see anyone recommend anything besides the beanbag shotgun

[sonic sleet]

They’re not very great

[fiery escarp]

They don't perform well at their job

[sonic sleet]

Takes a lot of ammo to put anyone down

[smoky moss]

thanks
it’s hard to get a feel for with the shooting range and I don’t feel like wasting 10 mins testing them in missions lol

[molten prairie]

You can beat the AI but it requires abusing free lean and generally abusing flaws in how their AI is coded to detect you.

Been trying it and tbh, yeah, it works. But it’s not fun.

Actually cramps my hands spamming the free lean button so much.

[molten prairie]

Look at it this way. It takes 3-4 shots to get someone coughing. It’s a semi-auto weapon so around 1 full second.

In CQB, 1 full second is a lot of time.

That’s 1 full second they can point their rifle and shoot you.

Meanwhile a beanbag shotgun is point and shoot.

You fire once and that threat is stunned for 3 seconds.

[sonic sleet]

Yeah I play on console and it sucks free leaning non stop

[smoky moss]

that’s a good way of explaining it thank you

[sonic sleet]

And I hate the crazy one taps they can hit on this map w full heavy steel armor it’s crazy

[smoky moss]

I made a less lethal setup and gave my squad the other rifles so I’ll see what they do I guess lol

[gleaming knoll]

Can special qualifications stack like if I have 2 dudes with nutritionist will I get more health then having 1 dude with nutritionist

[molten prairie]

Yes but it isn’t worth it.

[glad dune]

I got one tapped through a closed fucking door lol

[molten prairie]

You get 25% on the first Nutritionist.

The 2nd gives you like, 5%?

Very steep declining returns.

[glad dune]

I just want that trophy

[sonic sleet]

I’ve also been getting smoked in reception where the gold grid thing is they just ate a stinger and a whole mag of 5.56 and one tapped me

[molten prairie]

Ye. I’m console as well.

We need button remapping since the double stick click for free lean is the worst decision ever for something you use so frequently.

[glad dune]

Yeah
They dont react to flashbangs that go off 9 times in their face either

I play on pc with ps5 controller

[molten prairie]

The 9 bang is pretty garbage tbh.

[glad dune]

I cant with the love of god play with mouse and keyboard

[molten prairie]

I think it’s got around a 4m radius?

Super small.

[sonic sleet]

Yeah that was the hard part of hard S you could use all flash launchers and one guy would eat 10 fucking flashes

I got hard s on everything including ana now but

[glad dune]

Sadly
If atleast it works well

But thats void for you

[sonic sleet]

It works well in the range that it has but it has a small range so

[glad dune]

Is the gas actually fixed now?

[sonic sleet]

Supposedly

[molten prairie]

Ehhhhh.

Yes and no.

[glad dune]

Goddammit

Well it wouldn't help in a new america anyway

[molten prairie]

You’re probably still better off using flashes.

Just cause of the visibility concerns and better range.

[jolly verge]

Yes but with diminishing returns

[gleaming knoll]

wydm

[jolly verge]

There is no point to take more than 1 Nutritionist

[jolly verge]

1 Nutritionist > 25% more health
2 > 30%
3 > 33%
4 > 35%

[sonic sleet]

So you got programmed psychosis yet? 😂😂

[glad dune]

Nooooo
I have to mentally prepare myself for that

I swear
I punch my monitor

This game gave me anger issues

[sonic sleet]

I’m still so pissed I had one suspect and flower man left on one of my runs and the one random suspect decided to be John wick and shot me from across the entire upper floor and one tapped me

[glad dune]

Thats so frustrating

The worst thing is when you forget to check for traps

[sonic sleet]

I don’t forget anymore

[glad dune]

Lmaooo

Anymore

How many tries??

By the time we will get this trophy gta 6 is already released

[sonic sleet]

I hate the mfs that disappear and then appear out of nowhere for a one tap

[spare depot]

How do I download a mod, second of all what is a good mod.

[glad dune]

I hate the guys that run away

Just to jumpscare you

[glad dune]

Nexus

[sonic sleet]

I got a clip for you one sec it’s uploading

wtf a mf just pushed me in spawn

[tribal swift]

Do you have to restrain a suspect when they are incapacitated ?

[sonic sleet]

No but good habit bc they can fake dead

[fiery escarp]

Yes

[glad dune]

That clip is so much pain

[jolly verge]

No unless it's HVT target or civilian.

[sonic sleet]

Incapacitated yes for sure dead questionably yes but technically no

[jolly verge]

Suspects with dizzy icon (incapacitated) do not fake

[sonic sleet]

He edited. His initial question was dead

[tribal swift]

Ya, that was mb. My friend nuked this guys face with a shotgun and I couldnt restrain him so as I was typing the question i remembered.

I use the RTWC as my main and i can always restrain the suspects.

So even if they are bleeding out i have to?

[jolly verge]

No

[tribal swift]

Can you give me a rundown as to when I have to restrain suspects?

[sonic sleet]

If they’re visibly dead no, if you don’t see a shit ton of blood and definitely dead, cuff them

Incap always cuff

[jolly verge]

You restrain only incapacitated HVT/civilians or suspects who faked their death.

[glad dune]

Damn

The playing dead thing is actually pretty cool

[tribal swift]

Sweet thx

[sonic sleet]

New clip for you @glad dune

[pliant juniper]

I’ve never seen it, do they just get up or? 😭

[sonic sleet]

They will

And then hunt you down

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos were also involved in human trafficking operations, and they were seen at the car dealership. The Spider Organisation used the Glukhovskoye Mafia and Los Locos to transport their goods.

[glad dune]

They grab their gun again and shoot you faster than a train can run through your girl

[pliant juniper]

Only similar thing I’ve seen is when they drop their main weapon (like an AR) Then get up and whip out a pistol. 😭

[sonic sleet]

Did you like the clip lmao

I legit couldn’t see homeboy

[cedar mulch]

Furthermore, most of the suspects at car dealerships speak only Spanish, whilst Russian is becoming increasingly rare

[glad dune]

Yeah lmao

That happens to me everytime
I bet they prank you by pretending to be effected by the flashbang stinger etc

[glad dune]

Where tf did you come from

This guy is like coming out of nowhere with so much lore

[cedar mulch]

Since DLC 3 and DLC 4 updates, I haven’t seen suspect at car dealership speaking Russian

[glad dune]

What???

[sonic sleet]

I think he’s on crack

[glad dune]

I was starting to think only i can see this guy

[cedar mulch]

They’ve definitely tweaked the AI on that map. After all, they’ve got far more AKs at their disposal than in version 1.0.

[glad dune]

But like

Why

[glad dune]

Bro

[sonic sleet]

Lmao

[fast mantle]

ANA is the second time the City Hall has been attacked

A piece of evidence from clemente hotel is a letter from the real secret service protecting the Senator's family, stating that the previous leader of D-Platoon stopped a siege on the hall in 2005

[glad dune]

Oh for real?

I think i didn't catch that at all

[sonic sleet]

There’s also a cock fighting ring that everyone at the taco place is betting on

And a notice abt a rat infestation

And also only hamburger patties and chicken patties no actual hamburger meat

I love getting one tapped from nowhere

[fiery escarp]

Holy fukken shit, I got the vault achievement

First try!

Too bad TOC is mad with me, I got an F tier

Any grenade launcher users? Which is better, stinger or bang?

[sonic sleet]

Depends on context

[fiery escarp]

I used stinger on protesters, cant say it helped a lot, knowing how stupid my AI team is

Prolly need to call in friends

[glass heart]

make sure you all bring LPVOs

else this turns into the january iranian protests

[fiery escarp]

Not familiar, sorry

How bad is it?

Btw I meant the single-load GLs, not the revolver ones

[velvet steeple]

I thought the long tactical used to have 6 shots

did it get nerfed to 4?

[fiery escarp]

Yup

Four nades

[half goblet]

does the Non-Lethal Rifle "VPL-25" incapacitate/kill a suspect if i shoot too much bullets?

[thick dome]

no

[half goblet]

not even the head?

[thick dome]

nope

[half goblet]

so, do i use that rifle to S-Rank Valley Of The Dolls?

[thick dome]

i havent tried pepperballs since the update. b4 the update they were useless

[winter pendant]

Yes, or beanbag shotgun (do not aim for the head), or grenade launcher

[half goblet]

do i get the cosmetics on the easiest difficulty?

[winter pendant]

Not sure actually

[half goblet]

i'm kinda new (40 hours) and i wanted the Hawaiian shirt, but me and my friend can't get S-Ranks easily

[winter pendant]

I think you can do it on casual but I'm not sure

[peak dune]

(I assume this is the correct channel) Hello, are the developers aware of the issues the latest update caused with the AI ​​of the teammates bots? I hope you can fix it soon and return it to how it was before so we can get back to playing.

[half goblet]

i guess i'll try getting that S-Rank now and see how it goes

[glass heart]

yes theyre aware

theyre very slow at fixing things they shouldnt have broken in the first place

but its a reality of this game

[peak dune]

Thanks for replying! ...I'm new to the game, I don't know whether to wait for a patch and finish the campaign with a good experience or just resign myself to playing poorly while waiting for a distant solution.

[glass heart]

bro there is no solution

the bugs in this game are like the heads of the hydra

they fix one and more pop up in its place

your best bet is modding the game to tailor it to how you want to play it

this also provides qol and some fixes beyond what vanilla offers

[peak dune]

I'm not looking for an AI upgrade, just for it to be back to how it was before the update. I can't even split up my team and give them orders in a queue, which was possible before. I even tried installing an older version of the game, but it didn't work. I also tried a mod that improves the AI, but it didn't fix these core issues.

[sterile prism]

if you haven't gotten it yet i would recommend the flash launcher if you have it, if not you can use the beanbag shotgun but just don't aim for the head

[glass heart]

it was bad before lmao

and before that..... and before that

the swat ai have always had and will always have problems

[sterile prism]

if they make our teammates too good the game will be too easy lol

has to be a balance

[glass heart]

issue is theyre not just okay

theyre dogshit

[celest junco]

I have not found any game breaking bugs on console.

[glass heart]

if you want me to fight overwhelming odds with 5 guys (fantasy btw) at least make them good

right now their accuracy is pretty obviously lacking

they take way too many shots to actually hit people properly

only reason theyre usable is that they are tanky as fuck

[sterile prism]

they could be a bit better for sure, but not too good

they don't want people letting the AI do all the work

they clearly know how to make people hit their shots considering the enemies in a new america

[upper ridge]

Hi new here. Im wondering if there are SWAT officers here who are now retired because i trust you the most about the following. Im trying to make the most realistic loadout for the team of 5 (for the lead/commander and both red and blue team), i suppose each one specializes in different roles, i need to know what those are and what would their loadouts be that are most common in real life.

Im doing this for fun but also to learn about how SWAT operate in the real world.

[fiery escarp]

This guy glows so bad ^

[cerulean crescent]

Google it, it's public info

[misty pivot]

ive done so much research on this specific topic

[static jay]

anybody else have the issue on 23 megabytes a second where a piece of evidence is just missing?

[upper ridge]

Well, i trust you know then. You can explain if you want.

[lunar blade]

I am by no means a real or fictional SWAT operator but from what I’ve learned from talking to some and a whole bunch of googling, specialties and roles usually include stuff like breachers, pointmen, medics, negotiators and K9 officers.

[upper ridge]

Why?

[lunar blade]

But from my experience playing this game, I’d recommend changing unit loadouts on a mission to mission basis based on what you need.

[cerulean crescent]

Rescue people, get guns, report Crypto Rig, Computer and then photos in Michael's room

[static jay]

yes ive done this several times

[cerulean crescent]

guns are really weird as of recently

just go around and see if your NPC buddies grab it

[static jay]

i got S rank on it in like 2024 game came out but now when im trying to do it feels like a gun is just falling through the floor

[lunar blade]

Or use search and secure.

[static jay]

i play in a multiplayer lobby solo because i hate the AI team

[cerulean crescent]

well then keep searching

[lunar blade]

Use the weapon glow feature or whatever it’s called

[static jay]

third times a charm

[upper ridge]

Isn't there a versatile loadout for the team where it would fit most missions in general? By that i mean while respecting their own specialties.

[misty pivot]

you should just do days of research like me

[upper ridge]

You could save me the time if you tell me.

i would highly appreciate it

[misty pivot]

am too lazy

[misty pivot]

btw is your pfp the british team in project reality

[urban mural]

When all objectives are done use the search and secure command, the AI teammates will go around the map packing up the last weapons that they or you might have missed.

[static jay]

i play without ai teammates in a multiplayer lobby solo

[upper ridge]

Corporal Lewis from Killing Floor 1

[static jay]

i dont enjoy playing with the AI

[misty pivot]

damn i shouldve known this one

[lunar blade]

Yeah just go for a very good CQB loadout for AI whilst having a personalised loadout for each mission, like for 23 mb a sec, use a cqb rifle whilst using something a little more long range for hide and seek.

[fiery escarp]

Man, how come battle rifles are more controllable than an AK

[cerulean crescent]

whats your loadout

[static jay]

VPL-25 with 5 mags, 3 9-Bang flashes, 4 CS gas, taser and mirror gun, light armor ceramic with front/back coverage and a gas mask

thats what i used for my last mission

i change stuff about depending on what im doing

[cerulean crescent]

your best bet is to pick up every single weapon after it gets dropped

[static jay]

i got it on my third try

the first time i literally watched a gun fall through the map

[upper ridge]

https://imgur.com/a/uHk5Rkl Your thoughts on this one? Looks pretty versatile to me, for both CQB and long range fights.

[quasi coral]

Man I still haven't played the DLC yet

Games just too hard on my PC now, reloads drop my FPS to 20 or less

[static jay]

i bought it to play with my friend but his pc has been having issues

[upper ridge]

Video card?

[quasi coral]

GTX 1650

[quasi coral]

Yea, though it seems the fps drops are still present throughout the game though

[upper ridge]

Yeah... that explains a lot, and also because UE5 is trash.

[static jay]

nah its not even his fps for him its his monitors blacking out when he loads into a mission and then the game crashes

my guess is outdated graphics drivers on his end

[upper ridge]

Could be, he should be able to tell us.

But UE5 is a very poorly optimized engine

[static jay]

oh i know the struggles

i originally played on a laptop with a 3050 and it was hell

i got like 50fps on lowest graphics settings

but now i get 200+ from DLSS on a 5060TI

[upper ridge]

It should have run great with the 3050, but yeah, UE5 sucks

[static jay]

honestly that laptop was melting as i used it

it had its time to shine

[livid torrent]

on hour 40 of greased palms S rank run

the fkn npc is stuck in a corner

literally the last dude to arrest before mission over is ryan

wtf

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1s1p7z4/for_at_least_20_minutes_this_guy_would_not/

have a full less lethal kit so i guess i am fucked

[lunar blade]

Seems pretty good, would just recommend having gas masks on all units if you plan on using CS gas.

[tranquil siren]

How do you get S rank with full lethal kit?

[livid torrent]

non lethal. i think it’s called “less-lethal” now in the settings bc you can technically kill someone with the beanbag shotgun

[tranquil siren]

Oh shit I'm blind

[fiery vortex]

Resident Evil Requiem making me wish we could get another revolver weapon, maybe the Taurus Judge. Mmmmm shotgun pistol

[scarlet flax]

Hard mode?

[livid torrent]

yep

[scarlet flax]

I haven’t done an S rank since before Los Sueños stories. I remember me and my roommate S rank duoed that level a long time ago. I’d imagine the same strategy would work, which is to wrap the entire outside of the main building first, plus secondary building. Then take the inside of the main entrance and side dock. This leaves on the warehouse and upstairs offices, which means far less places you can get shot from.

I remember gas not being very useful because of how wide open the map is. In fact most of the time we’d have suspects run away through the gas and then we’d have to hunt them down later.

[livid torrent]

i have the strategy down but half the time my squad ai lets me down. its really just bugs liuke this

[scarlet flax]

Ohhhhh

You’re doing Commander Mode.

[hybrid wren]

P O L E E SE

[desert island]

suspect just took a civilian hostage while flashed and executed them

[warm gate]

Riot helmets would go hard

[night shore]

has anyone genuinely made a decent outfit with the mma spats

[warm gate]

Nope

[tacit gull]

the mma spats are genuienly made to be as disgusting of a pants option as possible

instead of khaki shorts you get uh that

[fast mantle]

The fandom for RoN has all missions in chronological order

I can't wait to do this next week and get fucking blind sided but the actual order of things

tyca into neon tomb and relapse

Only the ls stories occur during the main campaign

Also damn RoN took a lot of inspiration from SWAT 4. It might as well be a sequel

[velvet steeple]

I remember when CS gas was the best and the main issue was getting people to put a gas mask on over more head protection

[fast mantle]

CS gas seems pretty decent now. They don't seem to beat flashes which are used a ton but there a good second

Seems like the only thing flashes have on gas is range and speed

[vast chasm]

i like gas m320 launchers for spetsnaz fsb gaming

[floral crag]

Yeah I'm going to start running gas for my main when S ranking now

[sonic sleet]

Crazy statement

[floral crag]

why

[oak dove]

does anyone know if twisted nerve is still bugged? I can't complete it 🙁

[sonic sleet]

Gas rotary is just not that great tbh

[floral crag]

Really?

Haven't tried it yet but works pretty well

When it comes to the grenades

[tacit gull]

gas is just worse

[sonic sleet]

I just think even a fuckin pepperball gun would be a better primary then that tbh

[floral crag]

really?

Guess I'll stick to flashes then

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-gif-17849084955164255735

[tacit gull]

gas is honestly just slower, REQUIRES equipment to use and has a lower radius than flashes or stingers which don't require equipment to use but also benefit from it

[sonic sleet]

And if you get pushed you’re fucked

[tacit gull]

the flash launchers are impact aswell so they just remove any skill from the game

they dont need any radius when you direct impact someone or aim at their feet

[sonic sleet]

I just don’t like gas rotary bc you’re fucked if they do push you or flank you or anything

[tacit gull]

yeah even if you use gas grenades genuienly just get the flash launcher

[final ember]

time to go 2002 Moscow Theater on their ass

[glad dune]

U did it yet?

[versed wraith]

is it normal for blood decals to just straight up not exist on skin

[cedar mulch]

There are quite a few errors in the plot summary on the wiki, but a few of us have already corrected them.

[tacit gull]

yes the gore system is fucked

[cedar mulch]

The information on human trafficking on the wiki needs a major overhaul

[versed wraith]

ok thanks

[tranquil siren]

Need a tutorial?

[surreal merlin]

any tips to save my mental health in trying to s rank hard greased palms?
i always get to the end with very few suspects left but i run out of ammo on m32a1 so i am forced to babysit the Ai, but in the end one of them always dies

[bitter mason]

Yeah,
Don't

[valid mural]

fellas?

whats the most negative score you can get and on what map is it?

[surreal merlin]

dont what

[bitter mason]

Try to s rank hard greased palms

[surreal merlin]

why 😭

[bitter mason]

Jk ofc idk just use the flash launcher and trial and error

Give ur teammates one too and just try not to rush
Take it peice by peice and avoid as many open areas as you possibly can

[cedar mulch]

They have already been updated the Wikipedia pages on the Mafia and the Cartel

[atomic laurel]

So relapse looks like crap on minimum settings now

[atomic laurel]

And it didn't BEFORE the update

[cedar mulch]

I used to think the wiki had been completely forgotten

[atomic laurel]

The same thing happened to 23 megabytes a second a while back

[cedar mulch]

hahaha

[tranquil siren]

Oh no I meant for human trafficking

[atomic laurel]

I may genuinely just never play relapse again it is way too bright

[cedar mulch]

The changes to the Spider page were fairly minor; they simply removed the information about the car dealership.

[blazing shoal]

oh thanks, thats good to know

also which one really is it? the fandom one or the wiki.gg one

ive been reading most of it from the fandom site lol

[cedar mulch]

fandom，No gg

[tacit gull]

relapse has always looked like crap

[iron sparrow]

are the boiling point 9 bangers the same as the removed ones

[verbal burrow]

i don't really remember how they were in beta but they're kinda broken in singleplayer i noticed. the AI would throw it under their feet and get hurt from all the bang... me in the process sometimes

[surreal pelican]

Probs A New America

[valid mural]

i dont think there arent enough civs tho

[tacit gull]

no

[sonic sleet]

Nah

[stark flume]

All gods die or whatever the bank mission is called probably

[surreal merlin]

my teammates just got stuck in glass from a shower in votd ;-;

[glad dune]

HOW?

[ivory geyser]

Whateve happened there

[floral peak]

Most civs on the map I think

[cedar mulch]

Does anyone here actually read the RON Wiki?

[storm belfry]

I do, occasionally (once every 5 eons)

[green arrow]

Sometimes if bored enough

[unique crescent]

What is currently the best strat for getting Big Shell Specialist

[green arrow]

Good spawns

[unique crescent]

So no better strat like makeing them surrender and then shooting them

[tame thunder]

Is "The Hanged Man" achievement bugged? I can't seem to get it after more than 10 runs

[surreal merlin]

does anyone know the suspect count for hard elephant

or is it random

[green arrow]

They must be active so yeah

[hollow finch]

-350 per civilian and -150 per suspect is the maximum you can get, so whichever combo gets the suspect/civilian numbers the highest

[hollow finch]

5 always

[surreal merlin]

okey

and how long before they start killing civilians

[hollow finch]

2 minutes 30 seconds

not sure if they start sooner with stress high though

[cedar mulch]

The Los Locos Wiki now has images too

[fiery escarp]

Me: What's this funny laser doing?
Eight heavily armed and trained individuals: Howdy

[stark flume]

Me and my friend ended up shooting all of the rioters in the main area

[surreal merlin]

How can I get all suspects in elephant quickly I always get 1 or 2 and after they kill a civilian

[merry epoch]

How is the AI still god awful at search and secure

[fiery escarp]

Ask your friend to join, go casual, and shoot up everyone and everything that is moving

Whatever is not moving - move it and shoot it too

[quick trench]

I miss the Los Sueños Stories version of the police station. It looks much better than the other versions.

[bitter plaza]

shotgun slugs or AP high calibre battle rifles for armoured suspects?

[ivory geyser]

308

[subtle gyro]

first police station underground in the metro was the best

[bitter plaza]

what about unarmoured suspects or just shooting at the unarmoured parts

[ivory geyser]

Still one shots

[hoary comet]

buckshot is fun

goar

[bitter plaza]

which rifle do you think is best with that calibre ive only really been using sa-58 osw

[hoary comet]

GA51

[surreal merlin]

not everyone has friends and i play on hard

[bitter plaza]

range tho and its a pain to be precise with it u kinda just obliterate anything near what you shoot

[hoary comet]

wat

it functions the same

[bitter plaza]

also overkill cus just hitting limbs can kill

[hollow finch]

shotguns still fuck at range

[hoary comet]

but it has a shorter barrel and it's maneuverable

[jolly verge]

Slugs are only for up to level 3A armor.
Rifle calibers (except 5.56) requires AP only on 4 missions in game.

[hollow finch]

is that not the goal when shooting suspects anyway?

[hoary comet]

oh you're speaking about the shotgun

[bitter plaza]

nah not really i blew some guys face off like 30-40 yards away I was outside the gas station and shot a guy infront of the register

[hoary comet]

I myself only run 3 guns in this game, the HK416, the HK51 and the Mossberg 590M

they're all your caliber needs

[hollow finch]

that happens more with .308 overpenetrating walls and shit in my experience

[hollow finch]

hk51?

[hoary comet]

ingame it's GA51

[quick trench]

Oh, I didn't include that old one. Yes, if that one is included, then that is the best one.

[hollow finch]

wait yeah took me a second to figure out mb

[hoary comet]

jes

[bitter plaza]

i dont get how armour even works in this game, does it completely stop rounds or does it deal reduced damage

[fiery escarp]

L

[hollow finch]

significantly reduced

[hoary comet]

for you, armor stops bullets if it's ceramic and then it breaks

if it's steel it doesn't break but it spalls and reduces damage

for suspects i've no clue

[jolly verge]

Suspects armor reduce damage if stopped, if not you deal full damage

[bitter plaza]

can you pierce it in like 1 shot and actually hit them or do u need several rounds

[hollow finch]

with rifles penetrating ap will drop in 1-2 shots. without penetration youre looking at 6-8 shots

[hollow finch]

it either pens and deals full damage or doesnt pen and deal less

[hoary comet]

depending on your shot placement center mass with a 7.62x51 often knocks down into incapacitations and just as commonly causes fatal bleeds

[bitter plaza]

is it ever more useful to just hit their limbs cus ive seen how you can hit their arteries

[surreal merlin]

🥀

[hollow finch]

Not really. If youre going limbs pick shotgun for the instakill chance. Arterials will let them keep fighting a while

[hoary comet]

aim for the throat with slugs

[hollow finch]

with other primaries always pick a gun that can penetrate whatever armor they have on the map youre playing

[hollow finch]

why..? chest onetaps as long as its not L4 armor

[hoary comet]

for the funny gurgling noises

[bitter plaza]

ive been trying that and its hard with height over bore ngl

[hoary comet]

T2 does not suffer this

[bitter plaza]

first time using slugs in a long time yesterday and my first shot was a throat shot tho lol

[hoary comet]

for some reason the T2 is spot on with the laser

[hollow finch]

for simplest result just pick .308 ap and youll be oneshotting everything save a few missions to the chest

or a shotgun and aim for extremities

[hoary comet]

for most fun result blast civilians with buckshot

[hollow finch]

potential threats

[hoary comet]

unarmed suspects

[bitter plaza]

whats t2 is that microt2 or what

[hoary comet]

YES

it's just that good

[bitter plaza]

and what gun or do all guns work the same with optics

[hoary comet]

no they're weirdly separated the attachments even though all railed guns can take all railed attachments in reality

it all depends on what you want from your gun, all that's objective and not subjective is barrel length and caliber

all the recoil in this game is manageable

[bitter plaza]

so even if i use sa58 itll still be spot on with microt2

[hoary comet]

i'll check it right now for you

[bitter plaza]

a while ago i thought they removed throat shots cus i spent like 20 mins tryna hit the throat and it wouldnt trigger

then i finally did it on the back of some civilians neck

do you have to actually target the jugular or does any area on the throat trigger it

[hoary comet]

yeah it's spot on

return from recoil on bullet hole on the long range target

[slim verge]

I still think that a 3 letter triads harder than a new america

[hoary comet]

think it's more forgiving than hitting the artery straight on

[hollow finch]

entire neck, but its a chance thing

[fiery escarp]

Just aim center mass. Sending a burst will usually cause suspects to go incapacitated

[hoary comet]

booo buzzkill

[hollow finch]

similar to the artery bleeds to legs/arms

[hoary comet]

shoot people in the toes

[bitter plaza]

what handgun do yall use i use the beretta cus its the only handgun i can seem to find that is precise

[hoary comet]

the most accurate 9mms are the S2011P and the G18C in semi

[bitter plaza]

every other handgun domes the civilian if their a hostage

[hoary comet]

they're also the most controllable

[slim verge]

M11 compact

[hoary comet]

except when you drop it on the floor and it shoots you

[fiery escarp]

Glock 18

As you may know, using a handgun is faster than reloading

[bitter plaza]

is there any reason to arrest every dead or incapacitated suspect cus i just arrest everyone and idk if its time wasting

[hoary comet]

time waster

pool of blood = no arrest

[fiery escarp]

You better off arresting the incapacitated suspects, because some may fake it

[bitter plaza]

does each calibre have a fixed damage or do different guns deal more damage with the same calibre

[hoary comet]

fixed

only diff is HP vs AP

on the same caliber

[bitter plaza]

does ap also do collateral more than hp and does it have better wall pen

[hoary comet]

yes, but AP is optimal for armored suspects

[hexed flame]

Another day

Another trying to complete new america on s tier

With bots💔💔💔

Its going to be long ass day

[storm belfry]

long aas week*

[hexed flame]

Long ass month

I already see the bots walking into traps or a place where there are 10 suspects

[ivory geyser]

Have you tried running solo

[hexed flame]

All of that just to get a watch 💔

[hexed flame]

Bro i cant even s tier it on casual

Im too dumb for solo

[hexed flame]

Sorry im not ready

[hexed flame]

Omg im already there

Please wish me luck💔

First floor cleared

[fiery escarp]

You can bring JHP on unarmoured targets for better ammo economy, but most of players just run APs

[wind gyro]

@dark crescent unofficial score means and does nothing

[hexed flame]

Dumb mfs

Already died

I fucking hate this mission so much

How to fuck people are able to s tier it on hard mode

Solo also

[kindred flame]

didnt incapped suscpect count towards arrest objectives?

[surreal merlin]

i am scared of it knowing that i will have to do it 💔

[rocky plover]

yes, only if he's incapped and not dead

[kindred flame]

yeah we did that on dorms and arrested 5 guys and it didnt count

[rocky plover]

no for that they have to be arrested alive and not incapped either, i thought you were referring to like main objective suspects; like for example qudamah, agent adams, etc...

[lost inlet]

a lot of luck and retries with lots of sweating.

[willow palm]

Gonna play a new America for the first time with a friend today. I don't care about getting S tier for now .

[night jewel]

And that the last word of our young brave hero

[willow palm]

Most probably

[cedar mulch]

It looks like the RON wiki has had a major update

It is more detailed than before

[vapid cliff]

just a random question whats yalls personal best DLC?

[fiery escarp]

Home invasion, Boiling Point

[vapid cliff]

Gulp.

[rocky plover]

idk i dont look at it

[cedar mulch]

It seems the car dealership manager really is a member of cartel

[vapid cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

NO i dont got gif perms

[rigid ridge]

Home Invasion was to easy

[cedar mulch]

https://ready-or-not.fandom.com/wiki/Los_Locos_del_Pacificos

[rigid ridge]

Woulda been better if when they do smaller maps they do a few more of them

[cedar mulch]

The level of detail is much better than before the update

[rigid ridge]

Does anyone know if the “My Eyes, it Burns!” achievement has been fixed? Last one I need

[lost inlet]

black water.

[vapid cliff]

isnt it dark waters?

[lost inlet]

tomato tomato.

[vapid cliff]

toemater

[lost inlet]

it's water and it's dark color like black.

[vapid cliff]

welp, my fav must be Dark waters

[vapid cliff]

mhh, hes got a point

[regal tundra]

It’s obtainable but will probably take multiple tries

[lost inlet]

the drip behind it are pretty good. Home invasion's and boiling point's are alright at best.

[rigid ridge]

Is it just poor at activating?

[regal tundra]

It’s either a little buggy or the requirements aren’t stated clearly

[rigid ridge]

As long as it works Ill take it ty

Eventually

[regal tundra]

Np, try going to the bank vault with flash launcher + MK-V

[rigid ridge]

MKV for incaps?

Ive always found semi auto 5.56 to the groin to be best

Tap till they drop

How i got sleeper agent

[regal tundra]

Yeah. Do parking lot spawn, bring bots with ARs. Have them breach the back door and you rush the vault. You need 2 MK-V mags. Flash launcher is to keep guys stunned in the vault so you can line up with the gas can while surrounded

You don’t actually need incaps

[main hazel]

hola

[regal tundra]

Kills are also fine

[rigid ridge]

Ohhhh. Always void with the wording lmao

[regal tundra]

Yep lol

[rigid ridge]

Ty!

[regal tundra]

Anyway you shoot the gas can then hopefully can pivot/turn and get three guys downed

Np, feel free to DM me if it’s not working out and I can explain in more detail

[rigid ridge]

👍 kewl

[fiery escarp]

Huh? Whuh?

[cedar mulch]

I said those two goals

[regal tundra]

You don’t have to wait, but you also can’t defuse the bomb if that’s what you’re doing

I wouldn’t even arrest the guy, just make him surrender/drop the detonator then press it

[gritty coyote]

What's the favored tactic to clear a big room with AI team

[main hazel]

9 bang

[gritty coyote]

Because if we tell the AI team to clear they will run headfirst into trouble and ambushes

[main hazel]

if your full on mats full box em

[gritty coyote]

What is full box

I wish there was a command to "go into the room, but only take position near the door instead of charging further into your death"

[hollow finch]

yes

if he detonates you fail an objective

mate do you know how to get an S rank?

its no different on ANA

then it should be obvious :P

[cedar mulch]

I reckon the MLO is just a puppet organisation within the RON universe; when faced with the Green Dragons and the Spider, they don’t stand a chance.

[hollow finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1rxr17k/how_to_unlock_all_secret_customizablescosmetics/

[hollow finch]

idk if puppet org is the right word. The spider might have more manpower, and green dragon is wayyyy too soon to say how much manpower they have but the MLO so far has unparalelled political influence, reach, and funding given they were able to orchestrate the downfall of Los Suenos and the 3LT purchase while actively using Elysian as a base before and after the LSPD raid

They are also on an individual basis the best equipped and most capable enemies, basically having the same/similar physical and mental resilience as David

[cedar mulch]

Both the Spiders and the Green Dragons are elite organisations that have existed for centuries; the majority of FISA’s members belong to the Spiders and the Cartel, which is why the MLO has absolutely no influence within FISA. Furthermore, they control the Los Locos car dealerships and Glukhovskoye Mafia port, both of which serve them; Bolton Security and Mindujot also belong to them. The Spider are a global organisation.

The Green Dragon Society is evidently the elite organisation that controls the USIA, and rumour has it that they have links with numerous dictators and presidents around the world. It originated in Tibet, China.

[last dawn]

wait when did the lspd get raided

[hollow finch]

wdym

[last dawn]

in ur messge

is it the broken glass in the table room...

[hollow finch]

the lspd raid on 3LT

[last dawn]

oh i thought it ment the department building got raided my bad

[hollow finch]

i feel like claiming majority of FISA are members of the spider or one of the cartels. whats your source on that..?

[cedar mulch]

I’m sure the Spider Organisation and the Green Dragon Society each have a host of elite soldiers

[fiery escarp]

I just threw the lilly guy out of the window :D

[hollow finch]

do you have any in game sources for this stuff or are you just guessing..?

cause this it the first im hearing of it

[drifting prawn]

yo whats the best gun for something like programmed pyschosis where like yk if u see a sliver of them, you can like shoot that bit and theyll go down
or at least take a sec before they spin round and 180 no scope you in the head

[wraith basin]

Probably some dmrs

[wide thicket]

SA-58 should get the job done but shotguns are also a good solution

[drifting prawn]

cheers
was a decent way thru, tried to shoot dude in arm three times and bro didnt move an inch xd
then swivelled and no scope! first try! i was not injured up to this point either lmaooo but whatever

[hexed flame]

Umm okay entry team the building got detonated there is also the most wanted group in the whole of los suenos there is their leader but you guys can roll out

[wide thicket]

if you really struggle a lot there are some certain mods to help you

[rocky plover]

deffo shotguns with buckshot

only thing that can 1 shot if you free lean peek and see their limbs

and MK-V with JHP

[drifting prawn]

nah i wanna do it fr, like my stubborness to do every mission hard mode s rank instead of sep lol
might be my own downfall

[drifting prawn]

oh okay
ive heard bout the shotty but how good is the distance say that grand staircase peeking from one of the double doors?

[wide thicket]

yea im just saying theres the possibilty

[rocky plover]

range is very good, like even good on the port map

that's how the range is very good

[drifting prawn]

ppreciate it tho
nah ive only played a new america once with my squad and completed it, i just wanted to try diving headfirst into it to learn to map the place out intuitively cuz i just followed my homies last time and shot things

[drifting prawn]

oh sick alright ill give it a shot

[rocky plover]

no need to use the spread choke either

just use the 12g brake

much better

[drifting prawn]

tyy

[rocky plover]

👍

[livid torrent]

i’ve been trying to S rank Greased Palms for 25-40hrs and would have done it 2x if it weren’t for bugs. the strat is to clear the postal shop, jam the two warehouse doors. sweep into the loading bay and out into the outside. wrap around the larger loading bay. buck a flash there over the truck. go into the sorting centre from the far end and clear that room by room. then into the warehouse section and up into the office. then down into FISA office and clear the rest of the warehouse. finally clear the outer sorting room outside.

run full armor steel, i have 1 mag in the sidearm (incase ai bugs and wont surrender, need to kneecap them), 1 nade, and full ammo on m32a1. also run shield

i just lead my team and get them to do most of the shooting cuz they’re infinite ammo

[surreal merlin]

they have infinite ammo?

well i shouldve known that earlier

[grizzled lion]

AI squad do get infinite ammo? I swear I've had them run out before

[gritty coyote]

I'd like to hear how you use AI to clear giant rooms (postal has them)

My poor AI teammates just get shredded

[fiery escarp]

Kalashnikov, battle-rifles, maybe a shotgun, they all perform well if you need a swift takedown

[surreal merlin]

ive always been using c2 with flashbang, open clear with flashbang or open clear with launcher

depending on where enemies were

[fiery escarp]

Lol

What was that

[gritty coyote]

Flashbang can't cover giant rooms. Open clear makes AI plunge into ambushes and die

[gritty coyote]

Apparently the word for self killing is filtered

[fiery escarp]

Provide support with GLs

I always like to send one or two grenades down the doorway to help my AI team

[livid torrent]

when you break it down like i did, the distances are generally pretty short. biggest problem is herding the ai around bc they’re fkn lobotomites. the truck area outside is bad and for the interior maze, get them to bang flash and clear. make sure you have them close by and not wander off. use the default Z “follow me” command and try to take point with the shield out

[surreal merlin]

wasnt talking about giant rooms specifically, just regular rooms, i mean they are the orders i regularly issue

[fiery escarp]

A New America is fairly easy if you know how to place your teams. Restraining civs is pain in the ass doe

[drifting prawn]

yeah i was using a battle rifle before so like
maybe ill just peek more next time lol

one man cqb is kinda hell tho lmao

[fiery escarp]

Do you know how to free peek btw?

[drifting prawn]

yeah yeah im tryna get better at it
i gotta click my a and d a little shorter

i usually just full lean

[fiery escarp]

Yeah, saved me a lot of trouble at Boiling Point too

[drifting prawn]

before i started to try lookin about the achievement i didnt know you could free peek at diff angles lol
or go up and down

[fiery escarp]

Teabagging the fuck out of that suspect lololol

[icy walrus]

(they do not)

[surreal merlin]

so do they or they dont im confused

[icy walrus]

friendly SWAT AI do not have infinite ammo

you can test this by giving them one magazine each and then going into a level

they will run out and switch to pistols if the pistols have ammo

otherwise they become flashbang throwers or whatever

[rocky plover]

they reload but they have infinite mags so they will switch back to primary (so 1 mag is infinite mags)

[deft plume]

yo I got a tier on sins of the father in multiplayer and when I did it singleplayer, I got a B tier

[gritty coyote]

Holding shield huh. I admit the vibe is strange, playing an FPS game just to hold a shield and watch AI shoot instead

[deft plume]

I reported all doa workers huh

is it bc I killed 95% of the suspects?

[stone bay]

If i S tier a mission in multiplayer but my friend is the lobby host, will it save as an S on my mission as well? in my own lobby

[rocky plover]

yes

[livid torrent]

i don’t like it either but the game is so fucked, especially on this map and on hard

[gritty coyote]

It is indeed baffling to have the bots have 100ms reaction time

(In alert state)

[livid torrent]

go on human benchmark and try the reaction time test. mine was 276ms on my iphone

[gritty coyote]

Reaction time of course doesn't mean response time. We still have to aim and shoot

These terminators outgame us

[deft plume]

how do you a tier sins of the father

do you just not kill a lot of the suspects in that map

[gritty coyote]

Give your AI team nonlethal

They are quite good at subduing enemies

[boreal stratus]

just checking in on updates, has the AI on that DLC mission at the city building been fixed

i played it a bunch of times and was just getting shot through walls or one framed, so imma wait until its working

[fiery vortex]

Any way to increase the tactical gadget ammo?

[red drum]

Bro I was so close to s tire and I died on a new America

[rocky plover]

@blazing shoal #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message I suggest doing them again to see if it updates to 6/18, better now then when you're at 17/18 tbh

[blazing shoal]

okay, will do, i'll try ends of the earth thank you

[fiery escarp]

A New America level?

[molten prairie]

The AI’s response time is just a smidge too fast. Ultimately it’s not their ultra-fast response time that’s the biggest issue, it’s that they have no time-distance-accuracy ratio.

Their accuracy at 5 feet is the same as their accuracy at 50 ft with the same response time.

Which just ain’t how aiming works.

[boreal stratus]

that's the one

[boreal stratus]

this isn't ideal, but for me its just seeing bullet holes start appearing in a wall in front of me and then dying lmao

its not constant but its enough to ruin a solid quarter of runs

[molten prairie]

The wall banging definitely needs to be fixed.

I’ve backed away from sightlines and seen bullet holes tracking me through the wall.

They had it fixed before 1.0.

[boreal stratus]

yeah. related to the accuracy at distance thing, there's been a couple times where i just get one tapped from an enemy holding an R6 comp angle a couple rooms away lmao

[molten prairie]

But they reused older code when releasing to console and broke everything again.

[boreal stratus]

i will say, i really like all three missions in the new DLC. they really stepped it up with the design on these ones. just need the bugs ironed out (maybe with some urgency, its been out a minute now) and we're chillin

[molten prairie]

Part of the underlying issue is the basic framework the AI is built upon.

The developers didn’t think about adding variance in stats based on situations.

So it’s just flat stats. So the AI are constantly see-sawing from being a joke to being terminators.

The only way to actually fix it is if they write new code to add variance based on scenario to the AI.

[boreal stratus]

yeah, i'm admittedly not seeing any sort of change based on stress or anything like that at a level-wide perspective. you'd think after like ten of your buddies get dropped you'd start sweatin

[limber escarp]

Im doing the el chicos mission, and I gotta ask, does anyone else have difficulty with the suspects killing civilians? Ive S tiered all missions on Hard, but this damn mission ends up going to shit because I get to a certain point and the civilians that are hostage get killed somewhere 5-6 rooms away or upstairs

[surreal merlin]

you got any tips for me im on neon tomb

[limber escarp]

Heavy Armor, Ceramic Plates, make sure to bring AP Ammo, use flashes and stingers a lot, and take your time

If you're doing S tier then use non lethal and lots and lots of flashes

[final jacinth]

They start killing civilians 1-1,5 minutes after the mission starts, the main strategy is to cancel arrest all suspects on 1st floor and go to 2nd one ASAP, after you cancel arrest all of them you can start cuffing them 1 by 1. They don't propose threat when cancelling arrest but I completed it duo after failing for more than 2 hours solo.

[limber escarp]

Gotcha, thank you

[ivory geyser]

Aren't steel ones better

[surreal merlin]

still ceramic if doing s?

[ivory geyser]

So basically if you want good protection and more higher durability armor use steel if you want to be faster use ceramic

Steel plates slow you down a lot

But they take more damage than ceramic

[glass heart]

use ap ammo and kill all terrorists on sight (also use wedges)

do not let any of them get close to you if you can help it

[limber escarp]

No, steel slows you down and ceramic has proven to be more durable and provide more protection

[glass heart]

your top speed is the same with all armor

[limber escarp]

Yes

[glass heart]

the only thing that changes is your acceleration

[ivory geyser]

Fr?

[glass heart]

steel making it take longer to accelerate

[limber escarp]

Yes, if you want the best movement and best protection, use heavy armor with ceramic plates

[glass heart]

ceramic blocks 100% damage until it breaks, then it only blocks 40% while steel ALWAYS blocks 86,5% (91,5 with armorer)

[ivory geyser]

Oh i see

[glass heart]

if you are gonna get shot a lot steel is the winner

[ivory geyser]

How much shots does it take to break ceramic

[limber escarp]

It depends on the suspects ammo type and caliber

Though you're gonna want to be able to move quickly in such situations, which is why I never recommend steel. It slows you down when you need to move behind cover

[ivory geyser]

There always gonna be suspect with ak

It's pretty common at least on my runs

[limber escarp]

Not always, some suspects have handguns or shotguns, always review the mission and suspects before you decide what to wear

[glass heart]

different guns do different durability damage to armor

[ivory geyser]

There are some maps where you have to be exposed yk

[glass heart]

you can see the technical details in MMMM's spreadsheet

[ivory geyser]

Like valley of dolls staircase area

[glass heart]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?pli=1

[surreal merlin]

"kill all terrorists" 🥀

im doing non lethal

[ivory geyser]

They are lowkey terrorists tho

[glass heart]

then arrest them but its a lot easier to shoot them on sight (and more satisfying)

[surreal merlin]

ik who they are

[limber escarp]

I know, me personally ive used Heavy or Light armor with ceramic plates and it offers good prootection and good movement to clear an area quick

[ivory geyser]

Use mgl with flashes don't even bother with bean bag

[glass heart]

true

its a hell of a lot more convenient to do that

[surreal merlin]

oh yh my bad i was using the TRPL

[ivory geyser]

Even worse

[surreal merlin]

jk

[ivory geyser]

You gotta just make sure that ur ai squadmates won't get killed

[surreal merlin]

👍

[limber escarp]

I usually just solo cause they get in the way

[glass heart]

thats why you always give your ai full coverage steel also

if you give them light armor theyre gonna get triple tapped

[slow nexus]

The AI squad mates are so annoying tbh but they're so good at the same time

[ivory geyser]

What about shields

[gritty coyote]

The AI teammates are always so dumb that they will stand in the middle of a room with 3 doors open just to get shot from all the angles

[glass heart]

you can just give them all shields and mkv if you want but they unequip it after breaching

you need to tell them to requip it yourself

[ivory geyser]

When clearing?

Or after?

[glass heart]

after

[gritty coyote]

Someone here suggested that you be the shield holder instead

[glass heart]

but obviously when clearing you can open yourself up to additional angles so you dont unequip it

[gritty coyote]

Let the AI do the shooting. You do the holding

[ivory geyser]

That's kinda bad tho enemies can shot thru walls while ur squad can't

Imagine if suspects had access to pipebombs

[glass heart]

they do

its just not thrown shit

[ivory geyser]

If they were able to throw them

[gritty coyote]

True but this only matters if you try to camp outside the room and even then you can still herd your team away in retreat

It's better for you to stand at the door and soak up fire

[ivory geyser]

True

[livid torrent]

I FINALLY FUCKING DID IT. I S RANKED GREASED PALMS

[gilded umbra]

is "My eyes, it burns" achievement bugged or ? cause I've done what it requires to unlock it multiple times and never had it trigger

[rocky plover]

Steel is the new meta if you want what's best, it's op since it's buff and speed penalty was also reduced.

People still think steel is bad because they use heavy armor which that is the problem in itself not steel tbh

[ivory geyser]

I see

Heavy armor isn't that bad tho

I think in some maps its required to use them

[rocky plover]

Well people think it's much better than light armor

When it's exactly the same apart from having the addition of side plates (only if you select to use them)

[glass heart]

#❗known-issues-and-fixes message

[rocky plover]

But people think it also gives shoulder/arm protection... Which it doesn't

So you're just adding more weight with more plates and also having 2 slots less

[ivory geyser]

I think side plates are pretty useful imo

If you get flanked it will save you sometimes

[rocky plover]

True but that's the problem - getting flanked in the first place is bad

[regal tundra]

its buggy/inconsistent but not bugged

[rocky plover]

Should have 360 coverage and face the threats directly so all you need is a front plate tbh

[regal tundra]

many ppl have legitimately unlocked it in the bank vault or bank lobby especially

[rocky plover]

With front only steel you also be faster than full ceramic actually but not many know that lol cos they automatically think steel is slow

Even front + back is not that bad

[ivory geyser]

I mean in some situations you gonna get shot from a lot of sides like greased palms and valley of dolls

[rocky plover]

It's only very slow when it's full coverage

[rocky plover]

Depends how well you secure the flanks

If you face threats, you never get shot in the sides as long as the suspect is on your screen even if though they seem to be shooting your side it's actually hitting the front plate

Not saying don't use heavy armor don't get me wrong if you want the absolute best and safest then go ahead and use full coverage steel, but I hate when misinformation is still being spread

[ivory geyser]

Oh ok

[rocky plover]

Another thing is you cant make use of the bleed/heal back to 50% health with broken ceramic but you can with steel

The more you bleed the more chances to go back to 50% health if you're below that

[glass heart]

the single silliest mechanic in ron xd

bleeding is good and makes you actually unkillable if you get good rng

[rocky plover]

Ikr lol

[glass heart]

[fiery escarp]

Do broken legs really slow Judge down?

[glass heart]

nah not really lol

[rocky plover]

Yea but you can negate it by pressing both w and a or d

[regal tundra]

its a 10% move speed penalty

when dark red/completely broken

[rocky plover]

^ per leg iirc

[regal tundra]

Yes per leg

[ripe swift]

Was it hard mode though

[stark dew]

Guys, could someone tell me why would you want to use an SMG

Or a PDW

P90 has a hunk of a mag, sure, but what about the rest?

[strange dock]

cause its cool

[ivory geyser]

There's no limit to LARP

[stark dew]

That’s fair

[ivory geyser]

I think people like using smgs cuz of full auto

And they're compact

I personally prefer one shot guns

[livid torrent]

Yes Man

momma raised a soldier

[languid tide]

Which weapons came with the boiling release?

[ivory geyser]

G18 2011 and 6.5 creedmore rifle

[naive marsh]

Judge has no human legs or hands

He doesn’t bother himself with that damage

[heavy drift]

Dx12 or dx11?

[tacit gull]

it depends on your gpu

[drifting wraith]

bruh they don't give the ||Targeted Manipulation|| achievement for doing it in the solo mp lobby

[gusty marten]

The SA-58 OSW

[hard igloo]

I just played "A new america" for the first time HOLY HELL THESE GUYS ARE INSANE

Like wtf do you mean theyre flanking me and using my own comms to taunt me

[stark dew]

Force compliance with 11 stinger grenades

[hard igloo]

i will force compliance with 17 9bangers

do the math thats 153 flashbangs

[stark dew]

I just wonder what are the differences between 9-bangers, flashbangs and stingers

In game

[hard igloo]

9bangers have shorter fuses than flashbangs and stingers so they are if you need quick flashes but i think the other 2 are similar so its kinda just preference, theres probably some hyper nerd in here who can give an exact breakdown of how theyre different lol

[stark dew]

I feel like 9 bangers restrict my movement quite a lot

[hard igloo]

i havent tried them yet tbh

i got gunned down before i could try em

[stark dew]

Grenade launchers are insane in multiplayer

[patent sleet]

does anyone have any tips for "the heat is on"? trying to play in duo with my friend...

[floral crag]

So basically you want to shimmy shimmy ye shimmy ye shimmy ya

drank

Swalalala

drank

Swalalala (swalalala)

[patent sleet]

period.

[stone crater]

you also gotta do it on hard too

[fiery escarp]

Imagine if Judge's voice actor voices that for their next DLC

If that ever comes out

[floral crag]

It needs to be an Easter egg, and they need to get the song licensed

We have to beg the Devs to add it

"TOC, This is Judge. Shimmy shimmy ye shimmy ye shimmy ya"

[stark dew]

I just wish the game was a wee but more optimised at times

[fiery escarp]

This has to canonically be the happiest moment in Judge's life

[stark dew]

Especially in the loading screens department

[floral crag]

Wdym

The way it freezes and just turns to a black screen?

And then you just.. pop into the map

[fiery escarp]

There are Loading Screens Department??

[floral crag]

WHAT

[stark dew]

It’s just a fancy way of saying the thingy

Sometimes the loading screens take a bit more time, especially on DLC maps