👮ron-discussion

[jolly fractal]

That and a few armoury QoL changes

[dreamy glacier]

Please void add mastery camos to the game 🙏🏻 we need a damascus fr

[rigid ridge]

no we dont

[jolly fractal]

never speak again 😭

[dreamy glacier]

Im kidding guys

[jolly fractal]

Can't risk it

[rigid ridge]

im tk'ing anyone with a damascus lmao

[faint cradle]

Yeah and we need some more weapons that can actually be good for long range AND add long range maps with the weapons

[faint cradle]

I’m tk’ing anyone with gold

[jolly fractal]

The SWAT 4 snipers would be cool too

[dreamy glacier]

I think we have enough long range maps

[jolly fractal]

There used to be a pretty good mod for that but I don't think its up to date

[faint cradle]

More so mid range not long for rifles

[somber wolf]

legs

[jolly fractal]

Most long range maps only have about 30 seconds of long range before its back to CQB, and tbh idm that, i think having a full long range map would be difficult to design and explain in the lore

[dreamy glacier]

I see

[rigid ridge]

Port Hokan has some pretty long peaks, anything else and you're not really breaching and clearing more just on overwatch

[jolly fractal]

I'm tking anyone with a wepaon skin

[rigid ridge]

Which would be a different gamemode/role

[chilly thorn]

hard to balance roe around long range

[dreamy glacier]

Yea if they ever add weapon skins im uninstalling

[jolly fractal]

A sniper DLC wouyld be pretty fun too

[jolly fractal]

Thats the only issue

[rigid ridge]

I just dont see why

[dreamy glacier]

Roe ? Never heard of that

[jolly fractal]

RoE exceptions at that range would be niche

[rigid ridge]

I would rather have some new and cool maps, and play a different game for the sniping

[faint cradle]

Now that I think about it you could choose to be overwatch in helo like in COD Black Ops 4 or be boots on the ground

[chilly thorn]

yea

[dreamy glacier]

Is it true that the dev team is on vacation for like 8 months 😭

[jolly fractal]

Snipers are the kind of thing that would be cool to have, but might be best to leave to the mods

[chilly thorn]

I'd rather have them fix up the base campaign and improve some of the old maps then a new dlc

[jolly fractal]

Have you not seen their last update, they deserve it

[chilly thorn]

Maps like relapse still aren't even finished

[rigid ridge]

I just think that tactically breaching and clearing is more fun than picking off pixels that dont even react to you

[dreamy glacier]

Of course they do, i was wondering if they truly were on leave

[rigid ridge]

whats wrong with hospital?

[hardy marlin]

is the slr terrible?

[faint cradle]

Hence a weapon QoL could be made to help fix those issues

[rigid ridge]

What do you mean exactly?

[jolly fractal]

I want them to finish the base campaign, add some QoL changes, then add some new maps, then some new DLCs, maybe an expansion on the BP / DW campaign

[chilly thorn]

The layout is a proof of concept not an actual map, its not intended to be like how it is, Thats why the layout makes no snese. the map isn't finished it was just rushed

[rigid ridge]

I love hospital as a map

[dreamy glacier]

Same

[faint cradle]

Suspects not reacting to your hits when you’re clearly in range and locked on them

[jolly fractal]

No, lets not make the hospital bigger

[chilly thorn]

Hospital was meant to be smaller

[jolly fractal]

The hospital is a 30 man job as it is

[dreamy glacier]

Also, how does the lore explains the random woman with a fucking RPK in the hospital teaming with the terrorists ?

[chilly thorn]

I just want hospital to be finished

[rigid ridge]

I guess my point is I don't see how they balance you taking fire from the heli. You are either not getting shot at or lit the F up with no where to go

[jolly fractal]

Woman is also terrorist

[chilly thorn]

just a female member

[dreamy glacier]

Oh alr

[jolly fractal]

Gender equal terrorist organisation i guess

[faint cradle]

They’re apart of Dark Waters dlc enemies and even in Port Hokan

[jolly fractal]

Its 2028 gang

[dreamy glacier]

"All united in killing the innocent" ahh

[jolly fractal]

Nah, the DW enemies are the BP enemies, they aint Relapse enemies

They are just a middle eastern terror group avenging a bombing

[rigid ridge]

Yeah I dont think the Hand has anything to do with the MLO on a major level

[jolly fractal]

MLO probably oppose the hand

[dreamy glacier]

LS is just a fucking hub for all sorts of criminal activities atp gng

[rigid ridge]

White lady is probably just a sympathizer

[jolly fractal]

Btw is MLO global, I swear one of the enemies on ANA has a british accent

[jolly fractal]

Or just a white female terrorist

[stoic thistle]

Imagine the spider, the hand, the USIA, and Los locos all ending up in the same place somehow.

[jolly fractal]

USIA and the spiders would be fine together, los locos and the fight would fight USIA

[stoic thistle]

Some of them are black sentinel mercenaries.

[dreamy glacier]

"They're all very racist they don't like each other"

[jolly fractal]

Although if its irl accurant the USIA funded the hand

[rigid ridge]

Its just made up of ex US and UK vets as far as I know. I believe thats all the in-universe MKUltra program was connected to. But I'm not super lore savvy and I'm saving some stuff

[dreamy glacier]

Waiting for more lore vids to drop

[jolly fractal]

Having a global group of supersoldiers would be peak

[rigid ridge]

Waiting to get the A New America True Solo Hard Mode S rank

[jolly fractal]

We need an expansion on these campaigns, the base one and the DW+ one

[dreamy glacier]

Bres is the fucking goat

[jolly fractal]

I could do it with an extended loadout mod

[rigid ridge]

yup always use his videos as guides.

[dreamy glacier]

Im sure he will do it

[rigid ridge]

Hes working on it right now, I'm still getting Programmed Psychosis and the other True Solo Hard Mode S ranks. Got Bank last night and getting Carnival today

[dreamy glacier]

Ive never seen him use the rotary launcher to S rank

[rigid ridge]

Not enough ammo

[jolly fractal]

I don't think its possible without extended ammo, theres too many enemies

[dreamy glacier]

Yea

Shotty is way better

[jolly fractal]

Im doing S rank all missions now, launcher is peak, but my squad have both

[dreamy glacier]

How did u do Bank ?? Did u achieve the heat is on ?

[jolly fractal]

I use the same squad design for every mission its so peak

[rigid ridge]

the rotary launcher is far better than the beanbag, its just ammo

[jolly fractal]

I hate accidentally pressing r and losing half a mag

[dreamy glacier]

Unfortunately

Happened to me so many time when i wanted to check my ammo

[rigid ridge]

Yeah I got that to. I find the trick is to sneak into the parking lot entrance, door wedge the center area, take the downstairs bank vault before you get hit, then take upstairs, before finally retaking the main floor

[chilly thorn]

gas launcher is my favorite less lethal

[jolly fractal]

Btw how long until the new battle rifle is nerfed, its actually the best gun ingame rn

[chilly thorn]

its fun and interesting

[rigid ridge]

I still like the SA58 the most

Or the GA51 for the SRO

[chilly thorn]

every gun in this game basically 2 shots so nerfs are very rare

[jolly fractal]

Trying to S rank on hard?

[rigid ridge]

with no bots

and no homies

all my friends play CS2 🙁

[dreamy glacier]

Whenever i open the door to the outside i get fkn head tapped from the other side of the bank, this achievement is so fkn hard

[dreamy glacier]

Only The Heat is On for now, we'll see for later

[rigid ridge]

free lean is your friend bro just take a few out with that first

[dreamy glacier]

I do

[jolly fractal]

I tried to go around the side, using the launcher, and very slowly cleared the main room, having the enemies move to me to cuff them, then wedge the door leading to the office area, the vault area and the staircase whilst I clear the maina rea and the bathrooms, then clear upstairs, then the vault

[faint cradle]

Good old 9-bang works well in the bank

[dreamy glacier]

But i have to squint and bring my face close cuz i cant see shit and they are also dressed the same in the main area

[rigid ridge]

I find the balcony over watching the main room to be the worst part of the map for S ranks

[faint cradle]

Just don’t use too much or you’ll kill them (I learned the hard way)

[rigid ridge]

Hence me liking to sneak into the stairwell room and door wedging everything off.

[dreamy glacier]

By the time i sneak im already dead

[faint cradle]

9-Bang is LETHAL

[dreamy glacier]

And if i manage either there is a guy waiting behind or im getting smoked through leaves of plants when i get back down

[keen imp]

How?

[dreamy glacier]

I use automatic shotguns for this map idk if thats the right choice

[chilly thorn]

All grenades have a small chance to kill except gas

[dreamy glacier]

Ive never seen anyone get killed by a grenade other than stinger

[chilly thorn]

it can happen

the greande that I think kills the most is the flashbang launcher

[dreamy glacier]

I swear the heat is on is harder to get than programmed psychosis

[proven blade]

how

just get ai to do everything

[empty tusk]

What's everybody's main outfit?

[faint cradle]

If you use 2 it kills/knocks them out

[faint cradle]

SHD agent

[chilly thorn]

Home Invasion Armor set

[faint cradle]

Or I run a range day fit

[empty tusk]

Fairs

[junior drift]

A music video of Ready Or Not using the song Judgement day by FFDP would fuck so hard

[empty tusk]

The one in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art is cold

[faint cradle]

Yeah, I’m gonna make a casual fit with no armor and probably get TK’d like usual when I try to do so

Like buddy, you see I got a pistol and police on my head. Why are we shooting at me?

[empty tusk]

Suspects aren't the smartest

[proven blade]

modded sheriffs, if not just base looking lspd

[empty tusk]

Fairs

[faint cradle]

Yeah but I have a gadget, a cam (people should use it more, mainly on people who fucked up on a previous mission and in general), a weapon suspects don’t carry and I’m leaning.

Heavy on cams and leaning, best way to prevent tk’ing

Help prevent friendly fire by using C.A.L.L, C: Cams, A: Answer to commands, L: Look at attire, L: Lean when you see a fellow officer.

[unkempt granite]

yay greased palms done

now that i'm done with the first half of the missions the only thing left is uh

hell on earth 💔

[stiff dagger]

Anyone notice the AI called the piano a bed in Sins of the Father

Or is that normal

[zenith whale]

greased palms unironically is being more difficult than new america 💔 this glitch with the suspects is killin me

[stiff dagger]

The problem with greased palms is that damn factory area basically

AI can't hit anything

[zenith whale]

if you want me to be dead ass , the factory I don't even find the problem anymore , I've had to give up like 10 runs inna row cuz fisa agent of a random suspects stuck outside or on the 2nd floor balc

[stiff dagger]

Yeah I've had the infinite no surrender glitch a lot

Like eventually on a hard mode run I just kept shooting the FISA agent in the leg so I could finish it and not fail

[zenith whale]

I just want that fk ass s rank

[zenith whale]

I've done it so many times but now that I come back my rank reset apparently and I've been tryna get it back

[visual mortar]

worst take of 2026

[empty tusk]

I experienced this

[zenith whale]

not even lmfao I've s ranked hard mode new america solo

greased palms been glitching out and ruined more than 20 runs.

when it's something out of my control , a bug. I don't think it's a bad take you may just have a differing opinion

[unkempt granite]

uh oh

[stiff dagger]

Console by chance?

[unkempt granite]

i'm now up with elephant

does anyone know how much time i have with the bombs?

[stiff dagger]

Elephant's easy, just go fast and arrest suspects and disable bombs as you go

[zenith whale]

10 minutes

[visual mortar]

ok im sory

[empty tusk]

Always kill the suspects before defusing the bombs otherwise u can get ambushed

Civilians can just be sent outside

Don't waste time arresting them

And yeah good luck

[zenith whale]

don't be , not offended by any means. new america is honestly difficult. normal greased without any bugs is easier than new america by far

[zenith whale]

this is pretty important. if you have bombs make sure you get suspects first then bombs. other way around like this fella said will get you ambushed

[unkempt granite]

if only i could tell my swat to disarm

elephant on standard has no traps right?

[heady salmon]

Yo what's up guys, I'm new. I'd have a couple questions if you don't mind answering:

1. How can i play Solo?

2. How can i manually choose which mag i can switch to? So i can use a used mag for example.

3. How can i zero my sights?

If i have or remember any more I'll let you know

[next lynx]

You can play solo by entering a multiplayer sever solo, and then starting from there

Like making your own friends only server

[craggy fable]

[next lynx]

Though I'd really reccomend learning commander mode, its pretty fun!

[heady salmon]

I see. Thanks man, you the man

[next lynx]

Haha no problem

[heady salmon]

Yeah I'm on it already. RoN is kinda disappointing though

[next lynx]

Aw really? whys that?

[heady salmon]

You probably heard it already. Hella buggy, missing mechanics, not enough content. I won't waste your time with it; unless you want me to

[next lynx]

Ahhhh I see. I get it, bit rough around the edges, but the worl the game takes place in is what entraps me

So much pain-staking detail

[craggy fable]

The game is pretty buggy, especially the swat AI. Mechanics are good enough but they do need more, and the content is kinda lacking too

[next lynx]

It's real fun if you like roleplaying hahaha

[unkempt granite]

elephant done ❤️‍🩹

[heady salmon]

The Detail is pretty nice, though for me personally, gameplay matters more

[unkempt granite]

everyone is stressed but oh well

[next lynx]

Yeah I totally get that

[heady salmon]

Definition of Plagiarism and putting it in your own words lol 😉

[craggy fable]

Iron man run?

[unkempt granite]

yeah

[craggy fable]

[unkempt granite]

i didn't even care they surrendered i shot them down

[heady salmon]

Don't know about you, but if the game doesn't work as it should, no world building detail will make up for it

Gotta say i was pretty disappointed after i first got the game. I thought it was better than it is, yet it lacks in a lot of considerable areas.

For Example, graphics to me don't really matter personally, but the game should look better for what it is and at which time it came out. It kinda looks like a 2015 game, not a current times one.

[chilly thorn]

Theirs fucking 28 levels what else do they need

[heady salmon]

More guns for example

[chilly thorn]

Theres like 40

[heady salmon]

Not enough guns my mans

[stiff dagger]

That's a wild complaint

[heady salmon]

MW 2009 had more bro

[chilly thorn]

This game isn't even about shooting guns dude

[stiff dagger]

MW 2009 was made by a billion dollar company

[chilly thorn]

Theres more guns then swat 4 like double

[heady salmon]

O.o

[peak kayak]

The difference is that's call of duty and this is a swat game

[chilly thorn]

these games aren't intended to be about the guns its about the dynamic with the suspects its an immersive sim

[heady salmon]

It plays a role, but not as big as you think it does. A small dev team can have just as much guns

[stiff dagger]

Bros a gun nut in a game about taking down terrorists

[chilly thorn]

Theres a reason why if you play this game and just shoot everything its ass

[heady salmon]

Sure, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be more guns

[chilly thorn]

Its intended to be like a game about NOT shooting

so most the content is balanced around that

[stiff dagger]

Main story is adament about being a life saving organization, not a life taking one

[heady salmon]

And guns are a big part of it. But granted, maybe not as important

[peak kayak]

Yeah but we wouldn't have rpgs for example or 0.50cal snipers or miniguns

[chilly thorn]

They have every gun they need

[stiff dagger]

Judge with a minigun next DLC?

[chilly thorn]

Are you on console

[stiff dagger]

Hanging upside down from a helicopter too

[chilly thorn]

because console graphics are BAD I heard

[peak kayak]

If only. It's only good to shoot all suspects.... And maybe a couple civilians

[heady salmon]

Not necessarily those, but appropriate ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Vector is not in the game? Wouldn't be unreasonable to be part of a Swat Armory

[pale shale]

(#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message)

[heady salmon]

Ye

[pale shale]

Does anyone know anything about this?

[vestal acorn]

anyone tryna play

[chilly thorn]

PC graphics are amazing lol

[heady salmon]

It would be fun though

[peak kayak]

RON new dlc jungle warfare : judge in Vietnam

[heady salmon]

Probably

[stiff dagger]

I mean it would be but that's more a COD thing

[heady salmon]

True that

[stiff dagger]

Or hell Far Cry

[heady salmon]

Or a FAMAS

Or other 9mm handguns

[stiff dagger]

Do SWAT Teams use FAMAS?

[chilly thorn]

No

[stiff dagger]

Most use carbine style rifles

[peak kayak]

Yeah but tbf in my opinion the handguns aren't really used

[heady salmon]

Or if we go down the ,, Life saving organisation " route, how about .22LR lmao

[stiff dagger]

The nonlethal pistol sucks

[heady salmon]

French did i think

The french equivalent of Swat

[stiff dagger]

That figures it's a french gun

[heady salmon]

Exactly

[peak kayak]

That's why we use the limb destroying 0.50cal pistol instead

[chilly thorn]

I enjoy the nonlethal pistol its fun

[urban salmon]

disagree it's realistic enough and i enjoy my fps

[stiff dagger]

It holds like 5 rounds I hate it

[heady salmon]

Thing is, if bro brings the life saving argument to the table, then battle rifles wouldn't be a part of the game. They're hella lethal

[urban salmon]

what's the difference between a pdw and a smg?

[heady salmon]

SWAT has Snipers btw, where are those?

[stiff dagger]

That's the MLO Special

[chilly thorn]

Their were battlerifles in swat 4

so their will be battle rifles in this game

[heady salmon]

MLO?

[unkempt granite]

how many suspects are there on rust belt?

~17?

[chilly thorn]

just becasue the bullets are bigger doesn't mean your supposed to shoot people with it

[heady salmon]

Might be, but a life saving organisation wouldn't use it

[stiff dagger]

Boiling Point DLC terrorist organization

[chilly thorn]

Swat have used the M14 in the past

[heady salmon]

I see. Forgive me for not knowing

[chilly thorn]

It was pretty common actually

[heady salmon]

To increase chances of taking control of a situation. If they bring 7.62 and higher, they're not about incapacitation anymore. They're about ending the crisis and chaos with more stronger weapons

[chilly thorn]

like 10

[stiff dagger]

Is rust belt the drug cartel tunnel mission?

[peak kayak]

Anyone who resists is hostile 🙏

[chilly thorn]

Coyote Den yeah

I only shoot when a weapon is pointed at me or someone else

[heady salmon]

Yeah, but SWAT isn't like in the game. Sometimes they go lethal. The game tries to avoid that at all costs, wherever it can

[stiff dagger]

I stopped doing that in Hard mode, I got pissed off so I turned into a cold blooded USIA Judge blowing heads off

[unkempt granite]

does it have traps on standard? I remember it does on hard

[stiff dagger]

No traps on standard

[chilly thorn]

Yeah because if this game was a realisitic depiction of swat then everyone would surrender insantly and all step out of the building and get searched

[heady salmon]

Hostile yes, but does it justify lethal force? Example: If you know for sure Terrorists can't be negotiated with and they demonstrated lethal intent with carbines and body armor, you don't go in with pepper spray my mans

[heady salmon]

Actually not really. Not necessarily

[stiff dagger]

Air France hijack was a realistic forced takeback of the plane by GIGN

[chilly thorn]

Most maps wouldn't even have a bullet go off

[heady salmon]

There are more than enough idiots that would pick a fight with Swat

[stiff dagger]

Air France Flight 8969

[chilly thorn]

That gets you like an F rank tho

[heady salmon]

Depends actually. In Germany maybe not, but US is famous for it

[urban salmon]

still less than are in the game i feel

[chilly thorn]

Maybe only the Mass shootings would have a gun fight all the other maps would not realistically

[stiff dagger]

Nah I just blew the heads off the enemies, plus the port map has like what 5 civs

[chilly thorn]

but it doesn't matter this game isn't a simulator

[urban salmon]

maybe the harassin while cuffed but theyed get cuffed faster

[chilly thorn]

you still get a shit rank

[heady salmon]

I can tell you there are more than in game. It depends on the country and the people

[stiff dagger]

I think I got a B

I finished it at least

[chilly thorn]

the highest you can get while killing everyone is a C

and due to that if I kill more then 5 suspects on a map I usually just restart

[urban salmon]

maybe i still feel a gun pointed at you is rather intimidating to most

[stiff dagger]

Oh I didn't kill everyone, I got people to surrender when I can

[heady salmon]

In any case, if you want to pick it up again we can talk later. Imma play it rn

[heady salmon]

To a lot. But not everybody. Idk where you live, but probably not US

[urban salmon]

i do in the south infact

[heady salmon]

I live in Germany, people here are scaredy cats, which would be true here

[chilly thorn]

Most Swat officers I usually just for dosmestic calls and stuff

I cant spell fuck

[heady salmon]

Then your area must be hella civil, for the south as well. Usually hillbillys on meth pick fights with leos

[chilly thorn]

but again that would be boring to make a game on

nobody wants to play a "Realistic" Police game that would just be selling crack to minorities

[urban salmon]

oh drugs throw out all of what im saying

i mean a normal sober person

[heady salmon]

Understandable

[stiff dagger]

Most are on call teams, only the big agencies like FBI, LAPD, NYPD, etc. have full time teams

[heady salmon]

A sober person is more likely to surrender at gun point, if they're healthy and not insane or psychos

[hardy marlin]

damn they werent lying that sr16 can double tap

[chilly thorn]

every 5.56 can double tap

[hardy marlin]

sr16 no recoil, can do it very well

[heady salmon]

The guns i use are shit af. Or maybe my aim is off. The sights aren't zeroed so

[chilly thorn]

Every gun in this game can take someone down in 1-3 shots with the right placement and ammo

[stiff dagger]

I don't use sights, only lasers because they take up too much of my FOV

[chilly thorn]

even the Mp5SD which is the lowest damage gun

[craggy fable]

Sr-16 goated

[chilly thorn]

Arwc has nice animations

but my favorite rifle is the F90

[heady salmon]

If you don't mind, tell me how to zero my sights. Or maybe how to aim properly, even though i do. They just don't seem to land where i aim st

[heady salmon]

at*

[chilly thorn]

Control Recoil and dont use full auto on most guns

[craggy fable]

F90 and ARN-180 are my favorite rifles

[chilly thorn]

full auto just wont work on anything but the Smgs

other then that the sights in this game are perfectly accurate unless your up super close

[heady salmon]

Okay yeah, I've seen insane recoil on rifles so makes sense

[chilly thorn]

bullets come from the barrel not the sight

[craggy fable]

F90 for longer range, ARN for short/medium range

[heady salmon]

rEaLlY¿

[craggy fable]

Yeah

[chilly thorn]

if its a longer range map I usually use the F90 or the Ump45

[heady salmon]

Do you know what zeroing your sight means?

Aligning sight with barrel

[chilly thorn]

You can't zero a sight in this game..

[urban salmon]

smgs are kinda hard to use because the chew through ammo so fast

[heady salmon]

Which is a problem

[chilly thorn]

They are already zero'd

[heady salmon]

H-H-HELL NAH BRUH

[urban salmon]

is greased palms a ap or jhp map?

[heady salmon]

Fuq u talkin bout

[chilly thorn]

Jhp they have no armor

[urban salmon]

preesh

[chilly thorn]

I think there might be one suspect with the weakest armor that can only block like one pistol round

[heady salmon]

Any case have fun

[chilly thorn]

once you realize that they actually deal a lot of damage you'll get used to firing only 4 or less shots per burst

The "Smgs deal no damage" thing is a myth

Usually caused by people shooting suspects directly in the armor with hollowpoints

[urban salmon]

fair point its kinda hard to tell if its the 4th or 21st bullet to take them down since both happen in the same second

[rustic jackal]

uh no not the case its half and half they wear vests under the suits

[chilly thorn]

Ump45 is the strongest damage wise can take someone out in a single shot with JHP if they dont have armor

The best for armor is the P90 its insanely op

[chilly thorn]

They don't make armor sounds when you shoot em

[rustic jackal]

that is an interesting reason for thinking that , ive done everything in the game and i aint even know there was a sound for that 😂

[chilly thorn]

armor makes a thunk sound if they block it

and has dust particles

[rustic jackal]

I think its basic level body armor

[chilly thorn]

I haven't seen that on Greased palms but its possible they have the worst armor in the game that basically blocks nothing

[rustic jackal]

but they fs have vests on the guys with suits

for some not all

[chilly thorn]

its probably like a stab vest then

[chilly thorn]

The suspects on greased palms seem kinda..... stupid (No offense to the los locos please dont skin me) so I wouldn't be suprised if they brought a stab vest or a temu vest

[stiff dagger]

Temu 😂

[urban salmon]

jhp seems effective enough with the mp7

[hardy marlin]

guns are zeroed to 25-50 yards, zeroed doesnt mean you have no difference in sight and where the bullet is going it means those live basically cross at a certain distance

[chilly thorn]

Mp7 is so good

[stiff dagger]

Why is that gun so overpowered in every game

[chilly thorn]

cuz its cool

[stiff dagger]

Fair enough

[urban salmon]

it's weird why its so good since the vector gets no such treatments when its designed arguably better

[hardy marlin]

is the f90 good?

[tacit gull]

the vector only fires .45 though

[hardy marlin]

there are versions in 9 mil and .22 lr

[tacit gull]

well yeah but my point is it doesn't fire a pdw cartridge

[hardy marlin]

true

[chilly thorn]

the Mp7 fires like 4.5 or something

[hardy marlin]

4.6x30

vector is also wayy heavier than most smgs and pdws

it is a tradeoff

[stiff dagger]

I know this cuz of Demo Ranch

[tacit gull]

the vector in insurgency for example is a great depiciton of it i think

[hardy marlin]

i know this cause of autism

[tacit gull]

its essentially a pay to get this smg that doesn't require any modification to be at peak performance

[stiff dagger]

Fair

[visual mortar]

for people who got programmed psychosis
do you have any tips

[hardy marlin]

its also really expensive, very rare, and quite heavy. lets not go saying the gun is perfect

[cedar mulch]

I think that’s highly unlikely. At present, the objectives of Los Locos, the Spider Organisation and the MLO USIA are completely different.

[tacit gull]

its still pistol caliber smg that still rattles from side to side despite countering its recoil

[hardy marlin]

it is quite good at mitigating recoil, but like

firing that fast isnt really useful

and again, heavy

id say there are better options

[tacit gull]

yeah it also blows its load faster than you can say 2 world wars

[hardy marlin]

cool as hell tho

[tacit gull]

which is why burst is really good with it

exactly why i want a famas too

but with actual recoil, not whatever the fuck the g18 is

[hardy marlin]

theres 4 famas g1s in the us

[chilly thorn]

I love the glock 18 its funy

[hardy marlin]

no famas g2s

[tacit gull]

i'd prefer an old f1 but void doesnt give a fuck at this point

[chilly thorn]

I wish we had burst rifles.

I dont know why burst fire is so absent in this game its only on like 4 guns

Maybe its for police reasons or something

[hardy marlin]

ok talkin about guns that are 100% not coming to the game that 1 want: g11

[tacit gull]

void would come up with some bullshit

[chilly thorn]

The MLO secretely made G11s for the fuck of it

[tacit gull]

somehow the armorer found 200 mags in his mother's old basement

fully loaded

and 5 rifles despite not there being 5 rifles in existence i dont think

[visual mortar]

YO I WAS JUST GETTING KNIFED
ON twisted nerve and my AI team just watched until i died

[chilly thorn]

For some reason im pretty sure they are coded to do nothing when you get stabbed

[tacit gull]

no they can definetly do something if they feel like it

[chilly thorn]

I've never seen it

[tacit gull]

they will also be more than happy to shoot you in the back of the head

[visual mortar]

I think they werent happy with the paycheeck

[chilly thorn]

but to be fair knives usually one shot you

so i wouldn't really know

[tacit gull]

they dont really

it takes like 3 knives to kill you

[chilly thorn]

Yeah but the swing it like niko from gta 4

[visual mortar]

they dont one shot you but
if you're activley getting stabbed its like impossible to break away

[chilly thorn]

so its like 3 slashes in a milisecond

[tacit gull]

its usually enough time to get a few shots off

[hardy marlin]

i think the mlo guys should be able to do yakuza heat moves

[tacit gull]

its either them being deadly like that or just one shotting you

[chilly thorn]

I like knife suspects but I wish they used different knives

like why is the black sentinal using a fucking kitchen knife

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088003454976413726/1394507389796876328/why_so_orange.gif

does he know

[hardy marlin]

im saying judge gets salt in the eyes

or gets suplexed onto a metal bike rack

[chilly thorn]

deserved

[tacit gull]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ryu-ga-gotoku-like-a-dragon-5

judge in the middle

[chilly thorn]

I kinda wish suspects could move like this

it would be fucking hilarious

[tacit gull]

i dont even want to imagine how bad an animation like this would work in the game

the ai already has really shitty animations

[chilly thorn]

It would probably just be a mocap animation like the lockpicking

[tacit gull]

yeah but that one is done in specific spots where there will always be enough space to perform it

its also only on the swat lmao

[visual mortar]

average cuffing animation

[chilly thorn]

Cuffing animations are weird, That animator from LSS was pretty bad

They gotta replace them and some of them are on police brutality levels

[tacit gull]

if there's an entire mod to remove your work from the game after 6 months of nothing you kinda fucked up

[chilly thorn]

Im pretty sure that guy doesn't even work for the game anymore

[tacit gull]

no?

[chilly thorn]

The animation style is completely different now

[tacit gull]

did he work on one update or what?

[chilly thorn]

My theory is that an old animator left and they probably just used raw mocap because they didn't have the time.

[tacit gull]

what animations?

[urban salmon]

how many different ones are there ive only seen three two of which would count

[chilly thorn]

New flashbang animations and new suspect animations aren't the weird snapping style they were before

but the door kicking and arrest are still in the game

[tacit gull]

oh wait yeah the new flashbangs animations which

look worse

what new suspect animations?

[chilly thorn]

Crouch walking and other scripted stuff

[tacit gull]

crouch walking??

[chilly thorn]

Yeah they can do that now

[tacit gull]

i

[tacit gull]

dont think that's true?

[chilly thorn]

I've seen it on bank

[visual mortar]

i havent seen that

[tacit gull]

yeah i dont know what you saw

[unkempt granite]

does secret service only use flashbang traps on standard in sins of the father?

[visual mortar]

I dont think so

[chilly thorn]

Flashbang traps are also on A New America

[visual mortar]

nvm yeah I think its primarily flashbang traps

[urban mural]

Never saw those in ANA, always faced IR traps and gas traps.

[visual mortar]

and bomb traps

[unkempt granite]

5 missions left

and the next is neon tomb!!!!! yay!!!!

[tacit flame]

is there any way to visit police station from previous dlcs?

[visual mortar]

I found you can see the dark waters dlc after you beat hide and seek(?)

[tacit flame]

i just beat that lvl and it took me straight to the recent dlc station

[visual mortar]

🤷‍♀️

[covert hamlet]

vanilla no but you can use the mod loader to force yourself into them

apparently they’re actually all still in the files the devs just decided to disable access to them via playing normally

[tacit flame]

do you know some specific mods to achieve that?

[covert hamlet]

copy paste “Simple Mod Menu and Blueprint Loader (In Game Menu)” into Google

click the very first result

[tacit gull]

they're all accessible in commander i think

[chilly thorn]

I like the new police station

wonder what they are going to do with it in the future

[tacit flame]

they still should give ability to visit previous stations at least from the other dlcs

it kinda breaks my immersion hopping straight to the newest police station right after completing hide and seek

[valid raven]

The people screaming in pain after getting shot is horrifying sometimes

Also, has anyone noticed that the blood effects seemed to have been toned down?

like the way it pools from gun shoot wonds and stuff

I have seen people in game survive buckshot to the chest but they normally always do go down

has anyone else ever forgotten to check their ammo and then when they tried to return fire on a suspect of that shooting at them they realize the mag is empty

Yes all guns heve a magazine even if it’s not detachable

[chilly thorn]

You mean the particles or blood decals

[cedar mulch]

I also believe that the Sonoran Cartel may be part of the Spider Organisation, as they are likely a transnational criminal organisation.

[urban salmon]

why can't the ai just clear by themself why must i tell them to breach every door in a situation we very much need to be fast in

[pliant juniper]

It’s probably better to clear it yourself and get them to fall in behind you, that way you can do it quickly and they’ll automatically fire at enemies they see. Otherwise you’ll wait ages for them to stack up, throw a deployable, wait and then go in.

[urban salmon]

my problem is im taking too long to search and they start executing people

i'm saying i wish they could clear the floor by themselves

[urban salmon]

and do you have to get ai on their knees before telling them to run?

[unkempt granite]

some dude just despawned, now what?

[strong fox]

If I wanted to beat Ironman mode with no officer losses for that one achievement, does it matter what rank i get as long as I beat the mission?

[pliant juniper]

Just get them to fall in behind you, throw a flashbang and then go in with them. They should get the suspects to surrender and you can help as well.

[hardy marlin]

So if i have a guy loaded with 7.62 ap am i good for l4a?

[pliant juniper]

Does the game support cross platform?

[visual mortar]

yes

[pliant juniper]

thank you

[hardy marlin]

Is the mp7 good on missions like ANA with tier 4 armored enemies?

[surreal trellis]

Can anyone have a specific guide for me to get the way out west achievement?

[worn bridge]

give yourself the revolver, the ai can have whatever

just as long as you shoot a couple times and let them do most of the work it should pop

but they have to do SOMETHING, when i tried getting it i solo'd the level and i didn't get it, so you have to bring AI in with you

[surreal trellis]

Can i pick up any evidence or let me teamates use deployable?

[worn bridge]

i would genuinely tell your team to do everything

except you can shoot a couple suspects

[surreal trellis]

Ok thanks

[unkempt granite]

i think my next mission is relapse

[regal tundra]

Its not particularly useful, for lvl 4 armor you'll need 8 torso shots with AP. Of course, the weapon itself is still quite controllable so if you can pull headshots or limbshots with JHP i guess it can work

You should probably be bringing buckshot or rifle calibers for reliable torso shot kills

[hardy marlin]

I am a good shot i suppose

[regal tundra]

well buckshot is for limbs but yea

[regal tundra]

Until a roamer pushes you out of nowhere at an insane angle

[hardy marlin]

Well i also dont have ana

[regal tundra]

Oh Lmao, fair enough

[hardy marlin]

Only base game boy here

[urban salmon]

how'd i get a b? i did everything? everythings full complete on rustbelt

[visual mortar]

Killed too many

[urban salmon]

i didn't kill any civies?

[visual mortar]

nah suspects

[urban salmon]

i thought that was only a thing for S rank?

[visual mortar]

not rlly

if you kill too many and theyre dead then
it can lower your score

[urban salmon]

huh is this for all missions or do some missions care less because i almost certainly have got zero arrests and still got a+

[regal tundra]

rrankings are just based on total points

suspects give 35 for arrests and 5 for incaps/kills

civs give 35 for arrests, and objectives give differing amounts of points

[visual mortar]

maps with more suspects mean like
lower score becuase
yeah

[regal tundra]

in earlier missions you might have 6 suspects and 6 civs, so even if you kill everyone, you're getting a lot of points for other things

[craggy fable]

guys is the achievement, "My Eyes, It Burns" bugged right now?

[regal tundra]

Rust Belt has like 3 civs and 15 suspects. so if you go lethal you're getting way less points since all the suspects are only giving you 5 points

on something like Port Hokan you can easily get a C or D going lethal even if you complete all objectives

[regal tundra]

No, it works, but its inconsistent

[urban salmon]

ah that makes sense

[craggy fable]

dang. yeah cause i did it twice already but i didnt get it. wasnt sure if it was bugged or if i was doing it wrong

[urban salmon]

also i asked this before but is there a way to stop my sense from being like 0 whenever i use a zoomed scope?

[hardy marlin]

Eh i say all that about the mp7 and f90 has basically no recoil and is very small

[regal tundra]

what map are you trying on and what is your strategy?

[craggy fable]

im trying to do it on All gods burn in the basement. i flash everybody, command them to go next to the gas bomb on the chair in the middle of the room. once theyre all there, i shoot the gas and start killing them with my handgun. im not arrest cancelling so they still try to stand up every few seconds

i usually try to get at least 5 suspect there just incase

[regal tundra]

Yeah you're doing the best strat although I never tried the arrest method cuz i wwas worried about them not counting as "active"

Keep trying, maybe try waiting for the lung icon to pop up as well

[craggy fable]

yeah arrest cancelling doesnt work. it prevents them from standing up and therfore they arent active

[regal tundra]

I feel like i did it correctly 10 or more times before getting it

[craggy fable]

dang, ok i will try that way

[regal tundra]

Yeah i mean i never tried the surrender method at all. i just rushed down there and flashed them, then magnumed them

But what you're doing should work eventually

[craggy fable]

oki i will keep trying thank you

[regal tundra]

NP, good luck

[craggy fable]

i just saw a video right now and yeah, the player waited until the lung icon showed up before he started firing, i start firing right away. thats probably whats causing it to not work

now i know, will try again :)

[regal tundra]

sweet, report back if you get it

[unkempt granite]

i'm so close

all i need to do is relapse and hide and seek

[urban mural]

Relapse is not that difficult. Hide and Seek is annoying.

[unkempt granite]

should i use the SR16 or a shotgun in relapse?

[craggy fable]

Ok, it will be a bit, I am now on a side quest (away from pc)

[craggy fable]

Sr16

You can use a shotgun but they’re are hit or miss sometimes unless you’re good at hitting headshots

[unkempt granite]

every part of me rn is red and i haven't even got to the 2nd building

do i restart atp 💔

[primal yoke]

by killing, are you headshotting them or?

if they’re fully dead it doesn’t count, has to be incapacitate

[unkempt granite]

on hide and seek, do i use the RWTC?

[lost inlet]

Not necessarily, hide and seek doesn’t have any armor so you can use any guns with any ammunitions.

[unkempt granite]

i guess i'll try to use the sr16

[lost inlet]

They also don’t have any extra health so you can use 7.62x51mm rifles to one shot in the body, if you’re playing on standard that is.

[unkempt granite]

i am

i do NOT wanna try iron man on hard 💔

i uhh

almost died

and left

[unkempt granite]

i know the RWTC has excellent recoil for 7.62x51, but is there any full auto with little to no recoil?

with the same bullet i mean

[lost inlet]

RWTC doesn’t uses 7.62x51mm, it uses 6.5 Creedmoor.

And closest to no recoil is between G3 and GA51.

I would say G3 tbh.

[molten wasp]

I miss modding RoN so much

Finally got a good graphics card

[unkempt granite]

i hate that most mods are so meh

with so little mods that are like funny

[molten wasp]

RoN can be a shitpost

[gusty beacon]

They should add the option to make your team be stealthy like in rainbow six Vegas. Would make stealth a little easier

Having your guys shout out what their doing kinda makes it hard

[vestal mauve]

You're police, you're supposed to announce yourself

[granite elk]

Does anyone have any cool Gerard scoot pictures or screenshots I can use as a pfp

[craggy fable]

No, body shots. I’m using the very strong 1911, the one that shoots like a handcanon

[unkempt granite]

it's done

i'm so over iron man i'm never touching ts again 💔

[craggy fable]

I’m gonna retry it in a little while, I’m done with side quest

[craggy fable]

Let’s go🔥🔥🔥. Did you get the watch?

[unkempt granite]

everyone went on crisis too i'm crine

yeah i got it too i think

[craggy fable]

Big W

[craggy fable]

That happened to me a long time ago

On hide and seek all my officers went on crisis and resigned but I still got the watch. I didn’t get the achievements tho, so earlier this week I redid my iron man run for the achievements

[unkempt granite]

one of them even retired

[craggy fable]

Now I have the watch and the achievements 💯. As right now I’m trying to 100% the game

[visual mortar]

25 minutes
died on last floor of ANA

[unkempt granite]

now i'll try to do uh

s rank hide and seek

[molten wasp]

Happened to me before

[unkempt granite]

i died before getting in

[craggy fable]

Rip

[unkempt granite]

ah well

atleast i didn't die on iron man

[molten wasp]

Still doing my iron man playthrough on console, relapse Is next

[unkempt granite]

give your swat grenade launchers

or normal weaponry, and use sr-16

that's what helped me atleast

[visual mortar]

My iron man Hard mode Solo run was so bs

[unkempt granite]

how do people genuinely s rank hide and seek

[molten wasp]

Nah I'm going lethal since I S ranked every single mission on hard before I started my Iron man playthrough

[visual mortar]

You use the

Bean bag

[unkempt granite]

or is it because i'm using a launcher on a big map

[visual mortar]

Bean bag

[craggy fable]

Launcher worked for me

And beanbags on my swag AI

[unkempt granite]

on hide and seek 💔 ???

[craggy fable]

You’d be surprised, beanbag on top 🗣️

They won’t surrender at long ranges but it will stun the suspects. Unless you’re lucky then they will surrender

[unkempt granite]

on hide and seek. the biggest map in base game

[molten wasp]

Officers I had on my previous save file was Armourer, 2 nutritionists, 1 Pacifier for easy surrender when they get shot by a launcher

[craggy fable]

Yup

[visual mortar]

Yes bro

[craggy fable]

Bring beanbag (or flash launcher) and a ton of Flashbangs and the m320 flash launcher (gadget)

[molten wasp]

There are a lot of openings that you have no clue where you are getting shot from

[craggy fable]

Maybe even gas grenades to prevent them from getting up, or just arrest cancel like a chad 💪🏻

[warm gate]

singing brittney spears time to be a officer again

[unkempt granite]

what is arrest cancel

[visual mortar]

Holy fucking shit it’s David Beaumont

[molten wasp]

As soon you arrest someone just move

[craggy fable]

When you go to arrest a suspect, as soon as you start the animation, walk backwards. It will cancel and they will drop all weapons and won’t be able to move

[molten wasp]

It's useful against suspects that have a backup gun

[unkempt granite]

oh i alr knew abt that

[craggy fable]

Even if you don’t secure their guns they won’t try to grab them

[unkempt granite]

i thought by the name it was to cancel the anim and insta arrest

[craggy fable]

Neh

[molten wasp]

Hi judge

[craggy fable]

Very useful when doing the Sleeper Agent achievement

[molten wasp]

Round them up

[craggy fable]

Very useful in general

[craggy fable]

I did

[molten wasp]

Might do that on PC, still have to S rank ANA

[craggy fable]

Main spawn, beanbag, arrest cancel so they don’t stand up, commanded them to go into the main spawn room. Got at least 17 suspects just to be sure and had my swat ai arrest everyone

[warm gate]

Howdy

[craggy fable]

Me too lowkey, I have a B on it, standard

Not bad but I want a better score

[molten wasp]

Finally got a better graphics card, my game can run smoothly

[craggy fable]

Completely solo too, did it without the AI

[warm gate]

Hell yea

[craggy fable]

I was going for programmed psychosis but didn’t realize I was on standard 💔💔. Silly me

Spent like 30 minutes on it

[molten wasp]

I S ranked It on hard & console, struggling S ranking It on PC at the moment

[craggy fable]

Dang good stuff, good luck on pc

Maybe I’ll attempt it again tonight, if not tomorrow

I’m on pc 🧅

[molten wasp]

Neon tomb, Carriers of the vine, relapse and ANA was BS to S rank on hard

Yes carriers of the vine was difficult

Bloody hate that mission

[visual mortar]

Is there aim assist

[molten wasp]

Yeah there Is, I have It on low because I don't like how It snaps on target

[unkempt granite]

hoily shit there's 26 dudes in this mission

how am i gonna beat this 💔

[plucky flare]

👁️

[molten wasp]

If there's one thing ANA taught me, It's patience and taking point for your team

[molten prairie]

And by taking point, he means not trusting your team to do anything you wouldn’t trust a 9 year old to do.

[visual mortar]

Speed nodding gif

[unkempt granite]

i died again

but took like 11 dudes arrested

[molten wasp]

Hey at least it's impressive

Better than my suspect count

[unkempt granite]

there's just so many dudes outside on hard 💔

[molten wasp]

Hide and seek right?

[unkempt granite]

if i complete it on hard but then get an s rank on standard does it show like hard and s rank

[unkempt granite]

mhm

[visual mortar]

No

Beat hard S

[molten wasp]

Hide and seek took me a couple of tries to beat It

[unkempt granite]

should i bring again the grenade launcher + m320

to get like 24 impact stuns

[molten wasp]

Flash rounds for the M32 launcher

[unkempt granite]

ik

i never even touched gas at all i think

[visual mortar]

It’s kinda ass

[molten wasp]

Me either, what officers do you use or Is It quick play

[unkempt granite]

2x pacifier 2x negotiators

all with like 10 rounds of the gl launcher

[visual mortar]

I used to use it a lot, when I was first S ranking but
Now just flashes

[molten wasp]

I used 1x armour, 2x nutritionists, 1x Pacifier

Full armour, steel plates and ballistic facemask

[unkempt granite]

ykw i'm just gonna bring like 24 flash rounds 💔

i get wayyy too vulnerable on the first part with beanbag

[mystic palm]

Its posible to do arrest cancel in ps5?

[spiral notch]

What are good traits for the remaining 2 officers (armorer and nutritionist are already selected) on the lethal run of hard difficulty? Is it Veteran?

[molten wasp]

Yes

[mystic palm]

How i do it???

[molten wasp]

Veteran for accuracy and reaction time and S.B.A.G.S

[mystic palm]

Veteran is a good option

[molten wasp]

When you about to arrest, just move

[mystic palm]

On the first seconds of the animation?

[molten wasp]

Yeah

[mystic palm]

Ok thx i will try it

[molten wasp]

It's useful against suspects that have a sidearm

[unkempt granite]

oh my fucking

i was 6 dudes away but some random killed me through a window

[molten wasp]

Damn

[mystic palm]

😔

[molten wasp]

Do you play on console or PC

[mystic palm]

Console

[molten wasp]

I play on both platforms

[sturdy moth]

I just finished valley of the dolls solo s rank 🥹🥹

[molten wasp]

Nice one

[sturdy moth]

❤️

[spiral notch]

Can you give advice? I am struggling on S ranking "A New America". Once I managed to get to the top of the staircase on the 4th floor, but got killed. The rest of the time suspects are getting alerted inside nearby rooms and either rush or lock on the open doorways and insta kill when free lean peeking.
For squaddies I got 1 nutri, 1 armorer and 2 pacifiers.
They sport full heavy ceramic plates while I go with a light vest with ceramic (for more utility slots).
They all have flash launchers as a special and beanbag shotgun as main (equipping the flash gl for them feels clumsy and they often stun me as well).
They all have 4 main ammo, 4 wedges and 3 flashes (1 guy got C2 for breaching the final room).
I go with 4 main ammo beanbag, 1 lockpick gun and 8 9 bangs.

[spiral notch]

*on hard difficulty.

[visual mortar]

That fucking staircase is a nightmare

And there’s always like 15 suspects on the top floor

[unkempt granite]

aaaaaaaaaaaaand a dude died

[civic fiber]

A New America made me put away the game lowkey

[unkempt granite]

how did yall do s rank hard hide and seek i'm dying before i even enter

[spiral notch]

Are you doing it on the commander mode?

[molten wasp]

I recommend 1x armour 2x nutritionists 1x Pacifier full steel plates for all swat officers, but make sure they wear ballistic facemask, give them M32 with 6 rounds and couple of wedges, make sure you have a shield because It'll cover your back, but remember to take point rather than sending your team, that goes for the last stairs, also there's an ammunition box too, that'll help you refill ammo.

[spiral notch]

Thanks 👍

[molten wasp]

Another thing, be patient and check every single door when you stack

[unkempt granite]

yeah

[molten wasp]

Recommend you turn subtitles on

[visual mortar]

Been trying to fucking get that solo achievement for a week and a half

[peak kayak]

Honestly I used an armourer and neutralist and veteran and pacifier and gave my squad peppperball rifles since most the map is mid-long range fights

[keen mica]

Trying to play with people that don’t go Rambo

[molten prairie]

On Hard with the current AI, there’s two play styles you need to learn dependent on map.

On maps where time is a big restriction, be prepared to put your fate in the hands of RNG Jesus and spam stingers through every door and hunt down the suspects as quickly as possible.

On any other map? Optiwand the room, if suspect in front of door, blow it with C2, if not, open quietly.

Then flash your light down into the room and wait for the suspects to come investigate before doming their dumbasses like the moths they are. Once you stop hearing suspects in the room. Clear your deadspace slowly with the optiwand and crouch lean the shit out of whoever decided to not follow in their buddies footsteps of rushing you.

[spiral notch]

I did that map with 2 pacifiers, 1 nutri and 1 armorer. They all wore heavy ceramic vests, while I used light vest with ceramic. We all wore facemasks.
1 red and blue were with beanbags with 4 ammo points, while the rest had m32 with all points towards ammo. Me and 2 guys had flash launcher as special and 2 guys had battering ram (1 for each team)
bean bags had 4 wedges and 3 flash bangs.
I had m 32 with 12 points allocated for ammo and 1 point for the taser.
First I went to the isolated building in the corner, then swept the area nearby the tower, then wedged doors leading to the hangar. then I swept the rest of the area and finished wedging hangar doors. I posted up 2 guys to the outside door nearby the tower with queued gl and clear command, and went to the other corner door far to the left, and made the same order to them. We regrouped and I ordered move and clear while providing cover.
When clearing the containers with gimps, I recommend ordering 2 officers to cover the exit with the long container corridor, while the rest help you to clear it.

[molten prairie]

Oh and bring a Shotgun loaded with an appropriate ammo for an easier time. Make sure to bring a pistol with 1-2 magazines to deal with hostage takers.

[spiral notch]

Thanks 👍

[molten prairie]

Shotguns smack on Hard since suspects shrug off rifle rounds like they eat Kevlar for breakfast.

[visual mortar]

He’s talking about s
Ranking ana

[spiral notch]

@unkempt granite taser has a laser pointer. Use it with the canted sight view for easier aiming.

[molten prairie]

For S Rank. The Strat is to bring 2 negotiators and 2 pacifiers.

Have the AI bring an ungodly number of wedges and C2 and outfit the entire team in Flash Launchers.

Blow doors if there’s suspects, pick em if there aren’t. Same game as with lethal, the suspects are drawn to light like moths to a flame, make sure they get a nice helping of the light they love so much by putting flash’s in their face. Once they surrender, have the AI cover as you order the suspects to crawl over to you one by one.

Wedge everything.

[unkempt granite]

the issue i'm having is with the starter area really

[molten prairie]

This Strat makes S Rank more of an exercise in patience than anything else.

[spiral notch]

M36 mgl helps with that.
Oh, and use arrest cancelling to prevent surrendered suspects from surprise attacking.

[unkempt granite]

what's m36 mgl

[spiral notch]

A grenade launcher in the primary slot.

[molten prairie]

For missions with time constraints, get everyone equipped with Heavy Steel and some Ballistic Shields and just start blowing everything to high hell. Same Strat but minus the waiting game with the light.

If you don’t have the M36 well uh.

I’m so sorry.

[unkempt granite]

4 dudes

one was on the ground

[plain egret]

5 feet apart

[unkempt granite]

and i die on one shot 💔

[echo fog]

I swear some these dudes are like super soldiers they tank my shots🤣

[civic fiber]

Shoot limbs not center mass

[echo fog]

I litrally take a shotgun to his leg and the guy runs at me like I've just robbed him

[plain egret]

the only way you stop a crackhead is by magdumping it, it seems

[echo fog]

I wass playing with my friend yesterday and I was in the map "End of the world" I think that's the name and this old dude ran round the corner and scared the absolute shit outta me and I did what any normal fella would of done

[molten prairie]

I’ve long since learned that unless I’m running a shotgun.

Headshots only.

Body cam off, shouts for compliance never, headshots always.

[echo fog]

That old man had it coming who in the right mind would be running around the house while there are armed swat. My guy took half my mag

It's my ideal warm up map so I'm bound to make mistakes

[iron willow]

https://youtu.be/DeyU6Q87zz8?is=QtTT1rLt_f8Tt14G

I think I just found the biggest chad

This man is actually a beanbag chad

I strive for my beanbags to be as effective as this

Fun fact, Irl beanbags aren't accurate over 6 m (20 ft)

[plain egret]

oh is that the one with the weapons factory?

[echo fog]

Yes the house on the beach

Goated map ngl

[plain egret]

Ive domed the old man and lady so many times the first few attempts

[raven schooner]

I did it I completed My Eyes! It burns achievement!

Wohoo

[echo fog]

What do you need to do I'm guessing somthing to do with pepper spray🤣

[raven schooner]

No, just noob tube launcher & gunned down 3 suspects during toxic gas damage sustained.

[plain egret]

Very good

[short briar]

What is known about the judge's wife and children?

[wide verge]

They left

[short briar]

Why?

And

how many children did he have?

[raven schooner]

Zip

[marsh lark]

Nothing pretty much

You can surmize that they do not live with him based on the final mission where he is found alone in his apartment

[molten prairie]

Forgot how painful the Beanbag shotgun is on Hard.

Suspects just DO NOT care about it.

Same with the taser.

[short briar]

How do you know that they exist at all?

[ivory geyser]

Is there any way to interrogate civilians or suspects for info

[marsh lark]

It is in one of the cosmetic's description

There is a bracelet mentioning it I believe

[short briar]

Wife's ring, ok, and what about the children

[marsh lark]

The bracelet mentions both the wife and children

Apart from the fact that they exist, and that he is supposedly married, we have no information about the whereabouts

I do not even believe they live in LS because of what shithole the city actually is.

It is simply a risk to even live there

[short briar]

Yeah

And that was the reason to leave the city?

[marsh lark]

I never once said that they moved away, or that they were in there in the first place.

I said "I do not even believe"

We have no information about them other than their existence

And I doubt we will ever get any further info on this

[short briar]

Okokok, thank u anyway

And final question

As I realised, he has 3 daughters, right?

[marsh lark]

That I do not remember

[molten prairie]

Jesus Christ.

I just watched a suspect take 24 beanbag rounds to the upper body with no body armor.

And bro didn’t give up.

Idk how these YouTubers manage to get people to give up with this thing. Suspects seem to have abs of steel whenever I use it.

[glass heart]

Suspects resist more if they have LOS to full morale suspects, also some suspect types (suicide bombers for example) will NOT give up if you are close

[molten prairie]

Yeah, the LOS buff is crazy on some smaller maps is the issue.

Since you can have up to 5 suspects in a room the size of a damn broom closet.

Each LOS bug grants them a 0.2 bonus to their morale.

Pretty sure the beanbag shotgun does roughly 0.3/0.5 morale damage. Something around there.

So if you’ve got 3+ suspects in one room, you literally cannot get anyone to give up unless you focus fire one suspect as your rounds don’t cycle fast enough.

[glass heart]

Thats why the m32 made this thing obsolete

You dont have this issue if theyre all instantly affected

[last dawn]

is atlas the only one who swears in the voicelines (eg the "stfu" for suspect arrest)

[glass heart]

Judge does too

[chilly thorn]

Fuck the grenade launcher that thing sucks

[glass heart]

Its lame but effective

[molten prairie]

Mhm. Does an instant 1.0 morale damage I believe.

[chilly thorn]

Gas grenade launcher is my goat tho

[last dawn]

is it like mission specific or just rare

[molten prairie]

So bar frame-perfect morale regains.

They always give up.

[chilly thorn]

Every character in this game swears a lot

[glass heart]

Its not even that rare

[last dawn]

idk i guess my friends judge is pg13

[chilly thorn]

Due to the high intensity of the situations people throw fuck around a lot

[glass heart]

Judge has a compliance line that says "HANDS UP ASSHOLE, NOW"

[molten prairie]

To be fair.

If I had to deal with what Los Suenos SWAT had to deal with.

[last dawn]

i wanted to ask cuz i did neon tomb and a civi said "you have to get us out of here" before atlas just told her to shhh

[chilly thorn]

PUT YOUR FUCKING HANDS UP

[molten prairie]

I’d probably be a bit of a potty mouth as well.

[chilly thorn]

my favorite lines are from the suspects tbh they have more personality

[glass heart]

Im an og yk what it mean

Fdp man you kno what that mean

[last dawn]

yall think the ones in the station are the sane ones and the ones who get sent out are the batshit insane ones

[glass heart]

Probably

[chilly thorn]

IM GOING TO TEAR YOU APART MOTHERFUCKER

[molten prairie]

They need to either buff the shotgun to a 1.0 Morale damage or reduce the LOS morale gain.

[glass heart]

Judge is probably the conquest equivalent of lspd d platoon

[molten prairie]

0.2 LOS morale gain is absolutely crazy.

[last dawn]

like they just sit and do paperwork judge and atlas experience a worse version of gotham

[glass heart]

Unstable, lonely, violent but effective

[last dawn]

fellas
live in gotham or los suenos for 3 days in exchange for 50 mil
deal or no dela

[chilly thorn]

Solution; Destroy the grenade launcher by making point blank shots kill with it and slowing the reload down to a crawl

If you direct hit someone with a grenade their ribs are breaking

[glass heart]

Give it stingers and make them kill people if you spam them enough

[last dawn]

i prefer to shoot their throat out

[glass heart]

You can do this in swat 4 its funny

3 shots with arwen stingers incaps the room

[molten prairie]

I just wanna be able to go in with a riot shotgun instead of a damn grenade launcher. 😭

[last dawn]

my friend cough @onyx swift cough tells me to shoot center of mass but i think thats ineffective

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 had the baton launcher the most goated less lethal of all time

Just launching a big bouncy ball at people

[molten prairie]

Swat 4 is goated.

Gas and wedges.

[last dawn]

modern day boat cannon

[molten prairie]

Flood the whole damn building with CS.

[chilly thorn]

Grenades in swat 4 we’re not balanced lol

[molten prairie]

No. No they were not LOL.

[chilly thorn]

Gas was best on 99% of the maps

[molten prairie]

Yeah, they needed to increase the amount of gas mask suspects.

[chilly thorn]

Also flashes just blinding someone from behind 2 thick walls

[glass heart]

Thing is gas in swat 4 doesnt really spread instantly i think

[molten prairie]

Had like, a 0.5 second spread time I think?

Also, CS in Swat 4 had a low morale damage to balance it out.

[glass heart]

Also you couldnt really see shit with gas

[chilly thorn]

Its like how people talk about pre nerf gas

[molten prairie]

Suspects would usually flee instead of giving up if you gassed em.

[glass heart]

I play swat 4 mods and some of the suspects have gas masks so gas is ineffective against them

[chilly thorn]

Lowkey that gas nerf was needed and it’s still goated in this game

[glass heart]

Fuckers gave half the suspects on taronne masks

Meaning you just cant stun them with grenades

[molten prairie]

I haven’t tried gas after the patch.

[glass heart]

Me neither

[molten prairie]

Is it any good again or is flashbangs still king?

[chilly thorn]

Their aren’t any gas masks on tarrone

[molten prairie]

Cause I remember it being hot garbage.

[glass heart]

I literally said its a mod

I have played taronne on vanilla and know they dont have any

[chilly thorn]

They actually feel like gas grenades now instead of just better flashbangs use them how you think they would be used

[glass heart]

Even pre nerf gas was a lot worse than real gas lol

[chilly thorn]

Well real gas would be one grenade and half the building dies of a heart attack

[molten prairie]

Ideally. Gas should be focused on flushing suspects out as opposed to dealing morale damage from a balancing standpoint.

[glass heart]

Cs isnt that lethal in reality

[molten prairie]

Keep good range and effective time, but reduce morale tick damage and program AI to flee from the gas while coughing.

[glass heart]

Only people with pre existing issues die from cs

[chilly thorn]

It’s incredibly dangerous on a map like meth it would definently kill them

[molten prairie]

Makes gas more of a space control as opposed to an instant morale damage and separates it from a strategy standpoint from stingers and flashes.

[chilly thorn]

Also flashbangs and stingers I don’t believe are used due to their lethality

Flashbangs had very bad incidents

[glass heart]

Flashbangs are used but not like in the game

You dont blind throw bangers

Also they can set stuff on fire

[chilly thorn]

They set a lot of stuff on fire

[molten prairie]

Yeah, bangers are generally used as a form of suppression.

[glass heart]

Stingers are for riot control irl, not entry

[glass heart]

Or just distraction

[chilly thorn]

That feels even more evil then the ready or not stinger tbh

[glass heart]

They would throw bangs outside and make entry from a different spot

[glass heart]

Some real stingers also have CS in them lmao

Not a fun device to be hit by at all

[molten prairie]

IRL, most entries are either shield pushes or they flood the entry point with CS to build space into the room.

[chilly thorn]

I will never get riot gear like that

Like what the fuck you just gonna throw it into the crowd and hurt a bunch of people

[glass heart]

No

They throw them ahead of the crowd

Stingers and beanbags require care when using

[chilly thorn]

Still incredibly dangerous tbh

[glass heart]

Irl they only aim at limvs

[chilly thorn]

Only trained professionals should have them

[glass heart]

Theres not much of a market for less lethal grenades among civilians lmao

[chilly thorn]

I mean like not regular cops

[glass heart]

They should have them in case its needed

[chilly thorn]

Reserve that shit for gaurds and stuff like swat

[glass heart]

Same way they have patrol rifles

[molten prairie]

Riot Control is based around the doctrine of a 3 role system.

Initial wall pushes rioters and contains rioters. 2nd line hangs behind the first as support. If someone rushes the wall, the wall "absorbs" them and the 2nd line subdues and arrests.

Last role are the seekers who get the unfortunate job of trying to identify and arrest the instigators out of the crowd.

[chilly thorn]

They Probably just blame some random guy and call it a day

[molten prairie]

General doctrine is to remove instigators until the riot disbands. But if things turn violent and people start getting hurt or risk rises too high. Thats when you get the water cannon, beanbag shotguns, sting grenades, and generally "gloves off" approach happens.

Keep in mind. That’s just based off the doctrine my local LEO uses. ^^^

Anyways, back to RoN lol.

[eternal sonnet]

This is actually f*#kin ridiculous where is the keybind glitch update ?

[cedar mulch]

Who is more deranged in their Italianate style: Anton Chigurh or MLO?

[molten prairie]

I very much dislike the state of the AI currently is in (it’s an issue on all difficulties to be honest, it’s just the AI get gimped on standard so you don’t notice the underlying problems).

The current faster than human, better than human sight, reaction time, and accuracy means that no human can actually win in a 1-1 gunfight with the suspects. On standard? Maybe cause of your armor. Hard however? Armor don’t mean shit, you’re gonna die.

The current system rewards players for avoiding interaction with the game’s integral systems through abusing functions which obviously aren’t intended such as the crouch lean tech and spamming the grenade launcher at everything.

This is called "Tarkov Syndrome." If the game cannot be played without reliance on either bugs/glitches/exploiting unbalanced gear, then something is wrong on a foundational level.

In this case…

• AI accuracy and the lack of variance of if.
• AI reaction time (100ms on Standard for a readied suspect and 50ms on Hard. You don’t notice it as much on Standard since the AI almost always hesitate on Standard, but it’s still an underlying issue with how they’re coded and is why High Stress maps feel horrible to play. Keep in mind, the average human reaction time is 500ms-1000ms. This accounts for spotting the target, acquiring a sight, and pulling the trigger. Readied shooters have been recorded firing in the 380ms range. More than double the Standard AI response time.)

A real human ready to pull the trigger, aiming at a doorway, ready to fire. Is more than twice as slow as these guys can be without knowing exactly where the threat is gonna come from.

Watch any video of hard mode and you’ll see one of three things.

A. Multiplayer with shield, abusing the AI’s target priority based on proximity. (AI almost always target the person closest to them, even if it makes no rational sense to.)
B. Crouch lean spam.
C. Angle holding and baiting.

What all these have in common is they abuse flaws in the AI’s system as opposed to interacting with said systems in an intended manner.

[wide verge]

Casual is the most realistic gameplay experience in this game

[marsh lark]

Their reaction time is not flat 50ms

No idea why people have this weird misconception

That 50ms is added on top of other actions that AI takes. It will always be more than 50ms

[novel halo]

The only farb thing that I came across is that the AI knife suspects can just glue onto you and you can't get them off unless you have a second player

Specifically found a knife suspect and tested it with all the utilities

[molten prairie]

Reaction time is 50ms, their response time can vary based on factors.

But still maxes out well below the recorded human limit of 380ms.

Even if it takes 4x the reaction time for them to finish their response.

[novel halo]

I'm afraid of the AI because they can shoot through small openings on a rainbow six siege level

[molten prairie]

They’re still below any form of acceptable response time.

Keeping in mind. Even 380ms as a standard response time would be unacceptable when you consider that was the recorded response time of a soldier holding an angle which they knew exactly where someone was gonna come through.

Most humans are gonna operate on a response time (time between visibility and firing) between 500ms and 750ms. Slower humans operating at around 1000ms. Trained individuals can push around 450MS with below that only being achievable with significant prior knowledge and even then, pushing into the 400ms territory at most.

No matter how you slice the numbers, the math doesn’t work.

[marsh lark]

We will agree to disagree. I do not agree with your human reaction time math but I will leave it like that.

[molten prairie]

Reaction time and response time are different.

[marsh lark]

Does not change the fact that I won't argue on it because I disagree with it.

[molten prairie]

Reaction time is just the time between the suspect being visible and your brain registering you saw them and sending the signal to begin reacting to it.

Response time accounts for physical latency.

[marsh lark]

Right, and as I said. I do not believe you are right. From my own experience I can say that my actions do not equal to the numbers you have listed and I will leave it at that.

[molten prairie]

I’d be interested in seeing the footage.

Since I’ve noticed a lot of people saying that but upon footage review, you can see things like suspects poking their rifle through doorways and such, giving the player a larger reaction time than the individual is being credited for due to "prior" notice.

Or… The player is pre-firing.

[glass heart]

Feels like theyve mixed reaction time and action time lol

Reaction time just meand you registered someone being there

[marsh lark]

I know the difference between those two. I do not have anything mixed. I may be mixing it when I put it into words, but I mean two different things.

I am not interested in winning an argument. I have my own opinion on this matter from my own experiences. I do not record my gameplay, nor will I boot up the game just to prove a point since I am not that interested in this topic to begin with, and I am definitely not going to waste my time on this. People have different opinions about the state of the AI and I am not taking anyone's opinion away. I merely said that people tend to spread that the AI will notice you and shoot within those 50ms which is false.

That was my understanding from your initial comment which you have elaborated on that it depends on multiple factors which is true. The end.

[bitter mason]

What ive noticed is that suspects are stupidly fast when they are already aiming. If they need to raise their gun there will be a reasonable delay. But if already aiming its a little too fast still

[versed ibex]

This makes sense in an active swat raid to have ready guns no?

[glass heart]

The moment you make any noise youre compromised

[versed ibex]

This is why you bring a light machine gun

[glass heart]

True

Fallujah clearing tactics are the safest way to do urban warfare

[bitter mason]

Yes but Im saying even if you are aiming your gun and ready to shoot there is still a delay in how your brain and body responds when it comes time to shoot. Ready or not suspect ai is still a little to quick on the trigger

[short briar]

(

[plain egret]

Oh more than a little plus they tend to be able to see through hard cover sometimes

I used stingers for the first time the other day, that was fun, I really got use more equipment bar the 9 bang and flashbang

[bitter mason]

yeah if they get a wiff of you they dont lose target on you until a few seconds after breaking line of sight
its very common to get nailed through walls

I had one mag dump me for ages through a wall even when changing direction

[plain egret]

Yeah I got nailed through an door that covered the enemy, but it was open and I just got murked

So next try I grabbed slugs and just nuked the door, worked out great

[versed ibex]

Oh yea thats defo an issue

[versed ibex]

Probably heard you or saw a sliver of your body peek maybe