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[jagged quartz]

Being blessed with the 'tism I just larp as myself the whole time

[lucid mango]

yeah i feel that

[idle burrow]

Judge I love mentally sane people :D

[molten wasp]

As someone who's autistic, I can confirm

[molten wasp]

Swan Is my favourite

[jagged quartz]

Yes, except on the maps with the Mexicans on, then I larp as a vigilante

[molten wasp]

THE PACKAGES ARE SPEAKING MEXICAN

[jagged quartz]

Me when I order my wife off of amazon

[molten wasp]

Oh god 🤣

[jagged quartz]

Those latinas man, gotta be my greatest weakness

I would be a terrible border gaurd

[lime kernel]

[molten wasp]

My partner Is Latina so I can confirm

[jagged quartz]

Living my dream i see. Well played mate

[chrome wagon]

Does anyone know if there's a way to reload the 6 shot grenade launchers one round at a time?
Tired of having to waste an entire cylinder if i want to reload

[unborn ibex]

anyone know the best build for the AI squad on lethal?

[surreal jetty]

I’m playing RoN on keyboard and the O is too away from my left hand, it’s pretty hard to click it in situations of “action”

[mortal geode]

so bind it to other key like z or c

[acoustic solar]

i cannot s rank elephant man

[mortal geode]

why

[surreal jetty]

What about G? there’s any commands on that one?

[acoustic solar]

because i can never find the suspects fast enough before they start blasting the civilians

[mortal geode]

i have grandades for this one

[jagged quartz]

Makes sense really

[surreal jetty]

I got 3 for grenades

[mortal geode]

so if you dont have anything on G, use it

[static relic]

I dont get why the fisa agent is allowed to take hostages in greased palms, i had to dome him 😔

[surreal jetty]

I will thank you

[acoustic solar]

does elephant automatically increase stress

[rocky plover]

yes

[acoustic solar]

even if it's S ranked ??

[mortal geode]

ye

[mortal geode]

this is only mission that does that

[keen rover]

is it possible to get banned from RoN?

[mortal geode]

why?

[keen rover]

well there's a multiplayer

and people do troll

[static relic]

only from joining the host

[strange depot]

The tactical shield 🛡️ and the 50 cal pistol 🔫 work so well on hard mode a new America… combats the pixel cheating bots 🤖

[keen rover]

how long do you think it'll be until boiling point goes on sale?

[mortal geode]

maybe 2 months

[thick thorn]

is this the method?

[rocky plover]

could be, but i find they aim so well on hard even when using shield, they would still hit your legs and arms a lot, not to mention the suppression

[frigid moon]

i js got the deep water dlc and i don’t see any of the weapons and im on console #help

[wide verge]

Any tips for Elephant ironman commander mode so no one quits?

[rain zealot]

been trying to do the 2 headshot achievement on leviathan
do i need to finish the mission for it to pop

[rain zealot]

s rank it

[rocky plover]

they still get stressed on elephant even S rank

[rain zealot]

yea but not as stressed

[rocky plover]

take 4 officers that are content, not anxious

[wide verge]

If my guys are content they shouldn't quit? Going lethal

[shell scaffold]

how can I get verified for the NDA?

[rocky plover]

so that when their morale drops, they dont fully be in crisis

[wide verge]

Ok

[rocky plover]

correct

[acoustic solar]

mfw equipped all my officers with vpl and they still somehow managed to kill someone

[frosty glacier]

What's the best weapon

[final jacinth]

@stable kernel how did you even did s rank on hard on anm?

i have tried those 2 days, 10 hours a day with the best of my teammates but still only reached floor 4 one time

[rocky plover]

4th floor is the worst due to the pixel gaps

[balmy patio]

i would recommend layering out a set path so that you only clear the way straight to the 4th floor ammo box, then you can make your way down to the floors below and clear them with spam as you have now secured a path to the ammo box to keep farming it off

[latent crescent]

i figured out an odd way to do ANA (standard)
you just have to be insanely aggro against them, then the ai struggle to hit you
im predicting that u can do the mission in under 7 minutes with SWAT AI if u get all of the civilians on the way up

[unkempt granite]

in home invasion, are shotguns the best option or do i stick with the RWTC

[latent crescent]

any gun works it doesnt matter, become john wick if u really wanna

[final jacinth]

you can take ammo infinetly?

[latent crescent]

no but u get a full set of ammo again

u dont even need it if ur aim is on point

[final jacinth]

light vest?

[balmy patio]

nah but it allows you to clear the rest of the floors without having to be so stingy (this is for S rank tips by flash nade spamming, if you are going lethal then you dont really need the ammo box), this is also tips for doing programmed psychosis since with teammates you can all go flash nade spam and clear the level without the ammo box either

[balmy patio]

if you want the true metagame set then go light front steel only, as long as you dont get flanked or caught off guard the front plate will serve just as well as if you were wearing heavy steel all but it gives you the movement speed to avoid taking more pop shots than necessary when going into cover after a gunfire, plus said movement speed allows you to take full advantage of the bleeds if you get lucky

if u are not that confident you can also run front and back but i wouldnt recommend heavy steel full as you are too slow to get back into cover and end up taking more shots that if you were to just quickly reposition back while healing

[final jacinth]

alright, thank you

[wide verge]

Got D on Elephant, one civ killed. Is that ok for iron man?

Also can I send guys to therapy

[keen rover]

the what

how are the missions balanced for different amount of players? like how is the game balanced around solo, 2, 3 and full squad of players?

[rocky plover]

yes to both questions

[rich quartz]

So for a new American could you clear the fourth and final floor before you activate the objective for the bomb?

[latent crescent]

yes

[rocky plover]

only requirement for rating is last mission (have C+)

[sudden gorge]

In A New America, What happens if you apprehend/kill the VIP suspect before activating the device in the lower floor? I tried that but the game crashed when I got to the top floor, is it cause I’m not supposed to do that?

[latent crescent]

yes this method fully works ive done it twice now, trying for the third time

[rocky plover]

you have to take him alive, but before you have to activate jammer so he can't explode it, and then defuse his vest, if you kill him even while jammer is on, it will still explode

[rocky plover]

clear everything you can, except courtroom, where the vip is, that way when you activate jammer, you use those 2-3 minutes to get to courtroom and clear that, instead of having to clear the whole 4th floor in 2-3 mins

[rain zealot]

is there a noclip mod

im trying to get cool shots on top of houses but i cant get there

[latent crescent]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/716

i have 0 clue if it works

[rain zealot]

this is just the camera

it doesnt move the player

[floral peak]

mf suspect tanked 3 launchers, 2 tasers and still didnt surrender and instakilled me

[latent crescent]

these bozos are just shooting my armour brah not fair

if they get u bleeding once u heal u get back to 50 health

armour just stops u from bleeding out

[rocky plover]

if it's steel, cos can't bleed to broken ceramic, unless you get limbs hit

[torn axle]

i cant see the description of items in the customisation menu does anyone have a fix?

[unborn ibex]

anyone know the best guns for ai?

[rocky plover]

any 7.62x51 JHP, except for 4 maps where there is more than 1 suspect with L4 armor

[shy iris]

How do I change the zoom on the ATAK-R-12x on pc?

[rocky plover]

mouse scroll

[unborn ibex]

would u choose ga51 or sa-58?

[rocky plover]

for myself definitely ga51 but for AI, doesn't matter

[unborn ibex]

okay thanks

[rocky plover]

i like giving them the m14, very distinct sound, so i know its them

[latent crescent]

managed to detonate the building in 6 minutes in ANA lets go

i dislike this map, i only like the fact that the AI actually have brains

[unborn ibex]

do the ai care about how long the gun is or not?

[sonic sundial]

how do i get the launchers? i heard it was a dlc but i dont see it anywhere

[latent crescent]

nope

[rocky plover]

no

[unborn ibex]

damn i thought it mattered lol

heavy ceramic for AI armour?

[rocky plover]

heavy full coverage steel for AI

[floral peak]

im so tired of this bullshit AI of ANA

[cloud gazelle]

What's the deal with the triple weapon pack? I thought they were supposed to be available to all of console by now

[unborn ibex]

thanks

[floral peak]

its been over a week since i started trying Hard S and programmed psychosis

[sonic sundial]

yeah how do i get it?

[chrome badge]

everyone ive talked to on console doesn't have it

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[cloud gazelle]

Bruh

[chrome badge]

doesn't seem like its a glitch either

i think we might just have to accept we're not getting this stuff bro

[rocky plover]

yea annoying, my run literally took around 100 mins lol, of crouch-free leaning

[floral peak]

oh you did it?

[green girder]

can i just ask, why the hell is the new update 37 gb?

[sonic sundial]

wait is ironman mode just doing all of the missions with nobody dying?

[ancient patrol]

they should give gerard scott MLO level ai

[rocky plover]

P.P yea, still yet to do hard S on it though, last one that I need for all maps hard S >.<

[cloud gazelle]

No 50cal crimes for us console folk

[green girder]

37gb for bug fixes seems strange

[chrome badge]

dude i keep dying on the second floor at the stair case, anyone got any tips?

[chrome badge]

bro i want the gl for the S ranks

[floral peak]

maybe we should team up sometime

[cloud gazelle]

Same

[sonic sundial]

how does ironman mode work?

[unborn ibex]

9 bangs are better than flashes? or

[rocky plover]

ye spiral stair case is the worst part of the map, gotta pick them off 1 by 1, taking different approaches instead of all the same door, also slowwwwwwwwwwww

[rocky plover]

9 bangs half the range, but stun repeatedly and for longer duration after wards, so both good in their own ways

[chrome badge]

I have to say, it does seem very intentional that console players arent getting those 3 guns. I would understand if it was just customisation, but giving everyone else actual advantages over us is kinda bs

[rocky plover]

not a bad idea!

[floral peak]

i wedge off almost all of entrances, then try to move in from secret room

[wide verge]

Did they improve nvgs on Rust Belt? Much better visibility if I'm not mistaken

[sonic sundial]

ong bro like it cant be that hard to add them

[chrome badge]

ima try this tn, what guns are you guys using for this btw? ive been using the new 6.5 but idk if its the best

[rocky plover]

didn;t use wedges (only on the last floor - on the 2 side double doors, while i clear the rest of 4th floor), because I close everydoor behind me and if I see an open door, I immediately know a suspect is there somewhere, which is like free information

[tropic siren]

ive tried the 6.5 ar but i've had a much better time with the G3A3.

despite that thing kinda being awful with recoil IRL it seems to have the opposite affect ingame.

[floral peak]

i dont like taking chances of being flanked, especially on 21 floor

[rocky plover]

i used shotgun buckshot and mkv JHP 1 mag for those peeks to the leg/arm where barrel length mattered

[chrome badge]

I pretty rarely use that since its so long, but i can see that being good tbf

[proven blade]

is a helmet considered armor

[floral peak]

Its goated, even pretty good for ANA

Probably my fav weapon in Ron

[tropic siren]

probably.

[floral peak]

(after m32a1 of course)

[rocky plover]

if you're aware of surroundings it's hard to get flanked, because they make sound when they do most of the time, also use their rush to your advantage for free kills, its better instead of when they camp a hard corner

[chrome badge]

ngl, i mostly choose guns on how well they fit my oufit over actuall perfomance

i think like 80% of my hours in this game are customising my guy

[floral peak]

Every single time when i was flanked, it was single suspect that instakilled me on sight, EVERY FUCKING TIME

[rocky plover]

ye i feel you, took me days of retries, they're so op that armor choice barely mattered because you die in a few hits anyways

[tropic siren]

I genuinely think the AI are beyond bugged atm.

i keep have that happening to me on the 2nd floor of ANA, no matter what health im at. full? one point from death? dont matter, dead to a guy hiding behind a filing cabinet.

[rocky plover]

i also sometimes baited them with my flashlight, or at least if they didn't push it revealed their position because they talk/shout

[chrome badge]

Can enemies see my laser if its aimed near them? ive been using it since the new update

[rocky plover]

check corners wisely, if you're gonna trigger their IR motion traps, do so and kill them when they rush, or avoid it all together and use mirrorgun to see where they are

[unborn ibex]

if i give the AI half AP and JHP will they switch between if they need to or just use whatever

[rocky plover]

they can only see flashlight so far

[rocky plover]

1 mag gives them infinite mags (they will still run out of ammo and reload normally) but have infinite so i have no idea how it works if having both types of ammo for AI

[chrome badge]

should i just give them one mag and a shit ton of flashbangs then?

[sonic sundial]

so giving 1 mag is actually inf ammo?

[rocky plover]

yes @chrome badge @sonic sundial

[unborn ibex]

damn

[chrome badge]

you learn something new everyday

[sonic sundial]

wait in ironman mode can I end mission with thesoft complete?

[rocky plover]

stack them on utility such as grenades, wedges, c2 etc...

[chrome badge]

thanks king

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[glass heart]

you just need to not die

anything that happens on the mission does not actually matter for your completion

[sonic sundial]

oh okay. and what does doing that give me?

[glass heart]

the world achievement

[chrome badge]

a feeling of pride

[sonic sundial]

why the hell does my AI go into crisis after the second mission 😭

[mortal geode]

did anyone on team died?

[chrome badge]

nah just cant kill too many people

[sonic sundial]

nope. perfect A+ score

[inner jewel]

You killed too many people

[sonic sundial]

oml

[chrome badge]

kinda dumb, i understand there would be a mental toll to this job, but they quit after like 3 guys die

[sonic sundial]

its a damn swat team and suspects shot at us, what the hell else would you do??

[wide verge]

This is helping me so much lol

[sonic sundial]

oh also with the one mage thing is that for primary and sidearm?

[wide verge]

Yes

[rocky plover]

yep, give them 1 primary, 1 secondary

[rocky plover]

[sonic sundial]

okay. and I stack that on flash and 9 bang i assume?

[hollow finch]

can you use helmets for the heat is on?

[rocky plover]

c2, wedges, whatever else you like

[rocky plover]

yeah

[sonic sundial]

no matter the gun? includes shotguns?

[rocky plover]

doesn't matter, and with m32a1 launcher you can give them 0 slots, and they would still have infinite because it has a full drum by default

[sonic sundial]

ok. ik im asking alot but what is best setup for me and my AI? you can DM it to me like a picture or whatever if you want

[gleaming knoll]

Is there anything to do after disarming the trigger man

[rocky plover]

no worries mate, I would give them any 7.62x51 weapon with JHP ammo, except on 4 maps which requires AP ammo due having more than 1 suspect with L4 armor

[sonic sundial]

does that go the same for me or just whatever i want to use? i really like the G36C

[rocky plover]

WTF just unlocked the last achievement, my eyes it burns, i know it was bugged but i kept trying and it finally unlocked!

[tawny maple]

How can i in singleplayer have the "deploy gadget" whenever i want?

For example if im in a room i can tell my squad members to deploy a stinger where im aiming, but as soon as i look to a door it changes the whole menue, is there i way i can tell my teammates to throw a stinger through a door where i want and have them stay with me instead of going and clearing the door they just used the stinger?

I just want a way to deploy my bots stingers where i want and its already in the game but the menu changes, anyone knows how to stop it from changing?

[inner jewel]

I t hink the patch mightve fixed it, not sure

[rocky plover]

g36c is good lowest recoil AR, i would suggest using .300 blackout with JHP though, stronger

[rocky plover]

idk, still had like 15 restarts after patch, but finally it worked randomly

[inner jewel]

Yeah i got it too not too long ago

[vestal mauve]

F90 is great, pair it with the Elcan for the AUG experience

[rocky plover]

nice, weird thing I wasn't even in gas wtf

[floral peak]

Yo, wanna try Hard S ANA together rn? im free rn

[sonic sundial]

thanks full metal

[rocky plover]

also very good weapon, and higher RoF than g36c

[tawny maple]

How can i in singleplayer have the "deploy gadget" whenever i want?

For example if im in a room i can tell my squad members to deploy a stinger where im aiming, but as soon as i look to a door it changes the whole menue, is there i way i can tell my teammates to throw a stinger through a door where i want and have them stay with me instead of going and clearing the door they just used the stinger?

I just want a way to deploy my bots stingers where i want and its already in the game but the menu changes, anyone knows how to stop it from changing?

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[rocky plover]

sure gimme a sec cos i think food is soon ready

[floral peak]

alr

[hollow finch]

sick thanks

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[mint violet]

Anyone else having an issue where your ai teammates aren't turning on ir lasers?

[inner jewel]

Ai teammates don't use ir laser even if you do, for whatever reason

[mint violet]

They used them before in previous updates

[inner jewel]

Yes, i think boiling point update broke it
Not sure

[jaunty sun]

yo i just beat ron on iron man to get the iced out watch and for some reason i didnt get it, can anybody help?

[mint violet]

Rip

[inner jewel]

An officer resigned probably during the run

[floral peak]

what rank on Hide and Seek?

[mint violet]

Do it again on hard mode

[jaunty sun]

hell nah

[jaunty sun]

A

[floral peak]

hmm, its resign then

[jaunty sun]

ig?

[mint violet]

Still haven't beat a new america on hard, attempt 50 inbound

[jaunty sun]

thats crazy

[inner jewel]

Attempt programmed psychosis for shits and giggles

[wide verge]

On car Dealership now for ironman run. Everyone content

[floral peak]

My name is Programmer
I created the psychosis

[molten wasp]

I don't believe It, I S ranked 3 letter triad first attempt on hard

WTF Is wrong with me

[floral peak]

now do the same with ANA

[rocky plover]

ok i ate and im ready now

[floral peak]

ill DM my steam

[jaunty cloud]

they gotta buff the friendly AI man

[rocky plover]

👍

[floral peak]

done

[jaunty cloud]

my whole squad watched me get stabbed and all they did was yell "drop the knife", only killing him when i died

[lunar rapids]

I FINALLY DID "A NEW AMERICA"

[jaunty cloud]

what was your strat

[inner jewel]

Shoot suspects probably but idk

[chrome badge]

Really? I've just been shooting my teammates dude

[inner jewel]

Personally ive been magdumping the ceiling

[jaunty cloud]

you must be one of my teammates

[mortal geode]

my brother just another me

[sonic sundial]

should i use heavy armour steel plated aswell, or just my AI?

[mortal geode]

do you like bleeding constantly?

[sonic sundial]

not really

[wide verge]

SWAT ai shot a civ on car dealership, finished the mission. One guy resigned. Bye bye gold watch. This is my first and last try because I'm never using the gold watch anyway

[mortal geode]

so use ceramic for yourself

[wide verge]

Smh

[weak basin]

Do you all think that there is maybe a teaser to the next DLC just like in 3 letter triad that had the chemical weapon?

[hollow finch]

do you need a certain grade? me and a friend did it but it didnt pop

[mortal geode]

its bugged

[rocky plover]

not that i recall no

[hollow finch]

how is it bugged?

[sonic sundial]

what is up with twisted nerve. im on ironman and i come out of tunnels to a fella holding 12 gauge to force feed to me. i shot his head with JHP and the fucker still killed me. WTF

[mortal geode]

there is many achievements bugged like "Way out west"

[simple breach]

chat i just bought ready or not, any tips i can get?

[mortal geode]

slow is smooth, smooth is fast

[simple breach]

understood

[keen rover]

use free lean

[sonic sundial]

shoot those fuckers and TOC can shove ROE up its ass. if they have a gun open fire

[simple breach]

whats that

[lunar rapids]

Tasers..istg I got like 8 suspects with a taser

[keen rover]

you learn it in the tutorial don't worry. oh and yea start with training

[simple breach]

okay

[keen rover]

especially if you've never played SWAT 4 before

[simple breach]

i got a feeling i signed my life away

[narrow lark]

I've gotten all the achievements, aside from the "my eyes it burns" one. I have attempted it several times and still no luck. Is it not working properly and will it be fixed soon? I'm on PC

[old idol]

Dang Relapse got hands

[sonic sundial]

just make sure to listen for audio cues too. you will get better and better so dont worry too much

[simple breach]

like siege?

[keen rover]

check the last line #❗known-issues-and-fixes message

[sonic sundial]

yeah

[simple breach]

fire

[old idol]

Though I will say it feels better to play Relapse for S Rank than it is for Greased Palms
At least half of my deaths in Relapse are my fault

[narrow lark]

ah yh thanks. do u know where i can find any timeline for planned fixes?

[sonic sundial]

dont use flashlights you will be "spotted" super fast. use lasers and NODs

[keen rover]

wdym "spotted"?

[simple breach]

okay

[sour quest]

how do i get the mkV

[dense saffron]

Looking for someone to co-op with

[sonic sundial]

spotted as in they know where you are thrugh walls

[keen rover]

#🔎looking-for-players

[dense saffron]

Thanks bud

[hollow finch]

suspects can be chill, suspicious and alert. the more towards alert they are the quicker they react. seeing your light basically gets them to max alert straight away

[keen rover]

if I use mods, will it cause issues with multiplayer?

[sour quest]

Yo how do i get the deagle I dont have it

[sonic sundial]

is triple weapon pack ever coming to console?

[hollow finch]

there is no deagle

[sour quest]

the mkv

[keen rover]

yes! it's coming summer of this year. check this: #❗known-issues-and-fixes message

[hollow finch]

triple weapon pack. free on PC not yet on cosole

[sonic sundial]

i had to preorder? is it not a add on too?

[keen rover]

no, ALL console players get it in the summer of this year (2026)

you just have to wait until summer to get it

[sonic sundial]

okay. i didnt see a specific month, is there?

[dry palm]

The bombs wont go off in commander mode what am i doing wrong?

im trying to get the secret ending (prison)

[keen rover]

no, but it should be around june to august

[sonic sundial]

thanks

[sage tulip]

Random question any chance there will ever be a mod menu for console

[cursive minnow]

#🔧modding-chat message

Short answer: Most lilely not.

[muted current]

Man, S ranking Relapse is an absolute nightmare. I keep getting 95% through the mission, then on one of the last rooms to clear, the SWAT AI does something really dumb that gets someone killed. Like, "Would you please stop standing in open doorways with your back to uncleared rooms? for f's sake!"

[floral peak]

A New America:

[muted current]

This game desperately needs a QoL pass on the AI, but since there's 3 years of threads on begging for exactly that, I doubt it'll ever happen

[manic zephyr]

How can I play with friends of other platforms bc when I try to invite someone of Epic it appears only PlayStation friends

[jaunty cloud]

everyone has to turn on cross platform, make sure they have connected epic and playstation. I usually just let them join instead of inviting and that works fine

[manic zephyr]

Yeah it is but I wanna be the host because I’m the only one with the DLC but when I press invite friends it doesn’t appears me Epic friends

[fallen turret]

lol

back to a name no one can read

[rocky plover]

ye bugged but got it randomly when i was trying on like 60+ attempt, so weird idk what caused it to activate now, description is totally wrong i think because i wasnt even trying for it now

[sick minnow]

Can someone look into tech support and pls help me

[acoustic solar]

enemies friendly firing themselves so i cant get s rank ❤️

[tired jungle]

L

[formal valley]

anyone knows why is there no women as officers in game? just a random thought

[desert island]

cuz realism

[inner jewel]

Would need new playermodel(s), new animations, voice acting, redo all clothing.. etc etc, and for now they have bigger issues to deal with most liikely

[formal valley]

seems abt right, aight thanks

[chilly thorn]

they said something about doing it in the future, but isn't a priority.

[torpid field]

hey there, i didn’t know where too go to with my question so i thought i’d come here. i was playing the single player quick play (with the bot teammates) and i was doing the like daycare misson(can’t remember the name of it). so i would walk into certain rooms on the map and my screen would flash red for a few seconds. anyone know whats up with that?

[chilly thorn]

LS takes place in 2028, No reason it couldn't happen

[inner jewel]

Have you got a screenshot/video maybe?

[torpid field]

i’m on playstation so i don’t really know how too screen record

[torpid field]

best way i could describe is like my screen would go red like i was taking damage, then it would go away a few seconds later

[formal valley]

what sound effects accompany?

[torpid field]

none from what i could hear, screen would just go eerily red out of no where

[formal valley]

perhaps you have equipped your teammates with a pepperball gun and they crossfire you?

[torpid field]

i wasn’t running pepperballs

[warm gate]

Does anyone know how to get the s rank watch for the dlc

[rocky plover]

interact with it in the apartment after you S rank ANA

[inner jewel]

You have to interact with the watch inside the Home, it's on a stack of boxes if i recall correctly, very visible

[warm gate]

I was just trying to finish ANA so i wasnt worried abt the stuff because i didnt know where to find it

[inner jewel]

Could you look into screen recording on playstation and show a video of it maybe? Quite lost on what could be the issue here

[torpid field]

honestly i am too, if all else fails ill reload the misson and see if i can get it too happen again

ill record it this time

[inner jewel]

Good luck man

[distant epoch]

What if the next DLC is going to be like playing in the past of Judge or something like that?

Like the nightclub incident or in Nevada, would be super cool

[amber hearth]

Why peqs block the sight

Why cant we have some riser without mod

I dont get it is it normal for people to attach laser sight or whatever blocking the optic view

[exotic slate]

Does the 6.5 Creedmoor do more damage then the 7.62x51

[runic prism]

Guys do you prefer the combat grip or the angled grip?

[placid quartz]

the wilcox boss xe having the intergated ir laser and vis laser functioning would make me a very happy man

[distant epoch]

Combat

[rocky plover]

depends on what weapon, combat offers better horizontal recoil reduction than angled though

[runic prism]

I usually use G36C and the MCX

[rocky plover]

between .300 blackout and 7.62x51, closer to .300 blackout though

[rocky plover]

i use vertical grip on rifles, since they don't have horizontal recoil, ik looks wise it's aint the best however

[runic prism]

oh i didn't know that actually. Thanks man.

[rocky plover]

you're welcome, only when arm gets injured you notice some slight horizontal pull, but thats angle recoil and not horizontal recoil - not affected by attachments, only way to mitigate it, is by ADS

[sleek aspen]

Can you explain what you did to do unlock it? What map, weapon, etc.?

[exotic slate]

So the new rifle is just worse kinda then what we already had?

[rocky plover]

was fooling around rushing in the bank map, killing everything that moves, wasn't even in gas........, was using the new rifle and when switched to pistol and killed another dude it just popped, idk wtf caused it

[rocky plover]

i wouldn't say "worse" but nothing special, it can still 1 shot suspects on standard ONLY WITH JHP, on maps without health modifiers, and the recoil is much lower than 7.62x51

[sleek aspen]

So you weren't even in gas or triggered it at all? You just killed 3 guys in 5 seconds

[rocky plover]

i don't think i even killed them in 5 seconds to begin with, idk not sure, I think i had met the criteria before from my 100 attempts on no good deed map (in the arcade), and it just decided to unlock now, because I heard 1 guy saying that it popped up for him after he went back to main menu

[sleek aspen]

Ok so when you were attempting: what did you try? I'm assuming its the actual toxic gas cans and not the cs gas we get. I'm trying it on new america. So far I go upstairs where there's a gas can in the hallway and just try to get 3 guys in 5 seconds.

While standing it in, which is tough lol. The AI typically just run

[rocky plover]

No Good Deed map, make a run for it in arcade, start taking toxic gas damage and kill suspects, max i had was 5 in 5s

hard also, so i'd get more chance for more suspects in the arcade

[sleek aspen]

Ah interesting. Didn't even think to try hard for more people. I feel like I get shit on really fast doing it on standard lmao. Gonna be tough.

[rocky plover]

also i have no idea if it's actually needs to be total of 3 kills in 5s or 5s of one another, as they are both written differently across platforms........

[rocky plover]

ye it's a bit tough but on the no good deed map on hard you'd get 5 more suspects than standard, so the arcade is guaranteed to have more than 3, with standard sometimes in 1 part of the arcade i only had 2 and the 3rd was far away in the next room, which i couldnt reach in time while taking gas damage

it's also a quick restart if I die, than other maps

[sleek aspen]

Oh wow yeah you're right. I'm on Xbox so I've been trying to kill 3 within 5s. I see it's 5 seconds of one another on steam. That's way easier lmao. I'll try arcade for a bit on hard and see what happens.

[rocky plover]

yeah even sleeper agent was written differently across platforms, idk if they updated it recently

[sleek aspen]

What's a good spawn, dock?

[rocky plover]

dock or parking, parking might be easier to get to arcade but i preferred docks, due to being on the other side of the arcade where more enemies might be, however getting from docks to arcade can be a bit tough to do while rushing

[idle mauve]

anyone know why on hard mode a new america they can shoot through a foot of concrete??

not tryna be like that but thats kinda unrealistic for a realistic swat shooter

[tranquil galleon]

Going to lose my S rank on New America because of phantom guns seemingly, losing the plot

[sleek aspen]

I had a guy surrender earlier and just sit in gas. It didnt count against me so thought I was safe but...nope lol. A+

[umbral gorge]

Been doing 3 letter triad for s, but its soft complete. Does anyone know how many weapon cache there is? I have secured 2 one in main lobby and second in the bar section.

[rocky plover]

you don't need the weapons caches for S

[eternal trail]

how is it unauthorized use of force when the dude was screaming at me while holding a knife

[umbral gorge]

Oh didnt know that, but I still cant finish it for s rank as something is missing. I check the areas for good 50 minutes and cant find anything. My teammate disconnected but i collected his weapon am i soft locked for s rank?

[twilit river]

In A New America, is the detonator right beside the triggerman and you interact with it to turn it off? I arrested him and thought that would stop it but obviously not. I still passed and got a C but failed that particular part. It was my first time making it through.

[rocky plover]

package, the 1 civvie near it, and weapon, probably weapon glitched somewhere

[fringe fjord]

you have to defuse his vest

interacting with the detonator makes it go 💥

[twilit river]

thanks

[sonic sundial]

i know i was already told but... does grade matter for ironman mode?

[rocky plover]

no, only last map - port need C+

[sonic sundial]

alright, thanks

oml ides of march is about to suck so bad

[opaque zealot]

finally listening to the full broadcast in ana ||and they really nuked the governer ||

los suenos in dlc5 is gonna be ATROCIOUS

[exotic slate]

Im starting Greased Palms on Hard
Please pray for me

[rocky plover]

👍 , good luck!

[molten trail]

i wanna try too

[stoic thistle]

They what?

[exotic slate]

Im gona try to S rank it tho

[old idol]

slowly losing it on relapse

it makes me... want to relapse

[eternal trail]

how do i prevent officers from shooting civs in the head because its becoming a problem

[umbral gorge]

It was bugged I got s rank. So glad I don’t have to reply it on s rank…

[rocky plover]

nice, congrats

[umbral gorge]

Also got all dark water dlc achievement despite missing sleeper agent weird bug.

[rocky plover]

console by any chance? cos many glitched/bugged trophies there

[mild drift]

Are C2 charges bugged atm

[unborn ibex]

wth is wrong w this game 😭 im giving them a move and clear order and they are just getting stuck

[umbral gorge]

Yeah. Lot of them don’t work properly. Beat cop glitched for me and half of boiling points trophies are bugged

[rocky plover]

damn

[rocky plover]

no, why?

[mild drift]

I cant put them on like any doors at all

wont let me place them anywhere

[sullen shell]

where can i find my ron save files?

[sullen shell]

needs to be the sides

[robust cargo]

Would enjoy a sight like HHS VI in the game. https://www.eotechinc.com/products/eotech-holographic-hybrid-sight-vi

[mild drift]

Have they moved the prompt for it

[rocky plover]

it's slightly above the door handle/lock

[mild drift]

Yeah cause when im holding the c2 charge every prompt dissapears, nothing near the handle or anyhing

posted on screenshots

[crude prism]

They moved it higher up, above the handle

[mild drift]

OH

[umbral gorge]

Does dragging hand cuffed enemies into one room and then executing them all work for sleeper agent?

[mild drift]

ITS ALL THE WAY UP THERE NOW

[chilly thorn]

If we are going with the bad ending being canon (which it most likely is) Multiple buildings LS have been destroyed, The city is in absolute dissarray, If their is another DLC I theorize it would be called "Collapse."

and ITS ALL THE CIAS FAULT!!!!

[opaque zealot]

i honestly think the regular ending is canon

[runic bough]

I am, one, god, damn, mission away from finishing a full S rank run

I want to cry

[somber monolith]

why is it these guys have the chance to spawn in this random stupid spot from which they cant surrender for whatever reason

[chilly thorn]

wdym?

[somber monolith]

i hit these guys who are like stuck in a corner or on a truck with a million flashbangs and no matter how many i use they still go back for more

ruining my s runs

[chilly thorn]

like are they stuck in a hiding spot or crawlspace?

[runic bough]

What map

[cursive creek]

do suspects ever pick up a weapon they've dropped?

[tired jungle]

Yes

They can also pick up weapons other suspects have dropped

[cursive creek]

so its best to bag as you go

[runic bough]

Yep

Or arrest as you go, always arrest them first once it’s clear

[rocky plover]

And also your own weapon (if you die) or your team mates weapon (if they die)

[molten wasp]

You know what void should add

[rocky plover]

It's funny when a suspect picks up the m32a1 or a shield

[molten wasp]

Where you can change the theme setting for the police station

[rocky plover]

😂😂😂😂

[pliant abyss]

do u get anything for getting s on all the new dlc missions?

[tired jungle]

If you arrest cancel and bag the guns and there are no gun crates or weapons on the ground the suspect is aware of, they will eventually just stand up and look so dumbfounded

[runic bough]

Possibly try to run too as well

[rocky plover]

If you arrest cancel they never get back up to begin with

[tired jungle]

An achievement

[pliant abyss]

standand and higher im guessing>

[eternal trail]

im having issues with my bots just stand still and doing nothing while being shot any fixes?

[rocky plover]

Which is nice when having to deal with multiple suspects at once

[runic bough]

Oh fun, I forgot about the DLC’s too 😭 I gotta S rank those too. I’m about to start my first time on Hide and Seek

[tired jungle]

Actually?

[runic bough]

Mind you I’m doing Non lethal only ts gonna suck

[rocky plover]

Achievement and there's a tattoo and a watch for S rank a new America

[rocky plover]

Yup, still there after the update as well which is nice lol I thought it was gonna get fixed

[ebon iron]

Took a few buddies to that map today. It was their first time as well. By the end I was alone and stressed haha

[warm gate]

I found the watch i now have all the boiling point stuff

[pliant abyss]

thought the watch was iron man mode for all campaign on standard or higher

[rocky plover]

That's a different watch

[scarlet sparrow]

What would yall say is the “best” shotgun to use?

[pliant abyss]

okay so for dev watch its iron man mode S on all campaign and on standard or higher

[rocky plover]

Personally I like the 590m due to it being mag fed, but if you want the best statistically then b1301 but then again I prefer m1014 due to faster reload even though it has slightly higher recoil and holds 1 less shell in the tube

[scarlet sparrow]

Thanks for your opinion

[tired jungle]

1014 because it looks cool

[rocky plover]

No need for S just finish commander mode with no one dying (you or swat AI)

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[rocky plover]

Yea 1014 has nice animations too NGL

[pliant abyss]

so less lethals arent needed?

[coral tapir]

Yeah objectively Beretta 1301 though I would rather use M4 or Supernova.

Also is it just me or do I see a lot of 1301s in Programmed Psychosis?

[rocky plover]

Nope

Just watch out for officer stress and manage it correctly to avoid resigns

[rocky plover]

As in people doing that achievement with b1301?

[pliant abyss]

damn so i could just soft complete missions on iron man mode and get the watch

[distant beacon]

anyway I can send ai to get evidence thats stuck in coop? got a knife stuck under the floor for both of us

[rocky plover]

You still need to complete it and avoid civs getting killed cos that has a big effect on stress and so does leaving a mission mid session but ye

[coral tapir]

Ya.

[tropic siren]

yep. you dont have to S-rank/ non-lethal missions, though i encourage doing so to reduce stress.

[pliant abyss]

guessing u gotta do it on stndard or higher

[tropic siren]

correct.

[rocky plover]

Ye that's the way I did it even though I just said I prefer m1014, but that slightly lower recoil for follow up shots and having 1 more shell in tube saved me a couple times even though overall reload is much slower than m1014

[rocky plover]

For achievements yes, for just the watch can do it on casual

[chilly thorn]

that was fixed I believe

[runic bough]

Holy shit I just found the thing in the Hide and Seek mission…. That’s so sad

[chilly thorn]

if I want to make sure a suspect doesn't try anything before I restrain them I just drop a gas to hold them down

[runic bough]

FISA sucks ass what the hell

[pliant abyss]

might aswell do the acheivement to

and for the colour shirt?

[rocky plover]

Really? I was doing it for my S runs on these 3 new maps and I swear I didn't have the suspects get back up to shoot

[chilly thorn]

Well suspects don't really get up that much anyway

[rocky plover]

Ye that's what I did tbh, but we didn't have casual back when I did it either so ye

[chilly thorn]

but they definently can get back up after an arrest cancel now I've had it happen

[umbral gorge]

Regarding The Heat is On does it applies to ai teamates aswell. Also saw on some threat people saying helmet and balistic mask is allowed. Anyone can confirm this?

[rocky plover]

They do on hard though but they just didn't for me

[warm gate]

M104

[chilly thorn]

guy got up and ran over to a weapon crate

[rocky plover]

AI can use anything, also ye for yourself just don't use grenades, shield and armor

[distant beacon]

didn't get the toxic fumes achievement even though me and my friend just did the exact thing?

[pliant abyss]

standard is bad enough

[rocky plover]

S rank valley of the dolls

[pliant abyss]

on standard or higher

[rocky plover]

Cosmetics can be unlocked in casual just like the watch

[warm gate]

Only thing that cant is certain achievements iirc

[rocky plover]

Ohhh, gotta test that again then. I was so sure they didn't fix it because I was actually abusing that shit and didn't see them getting back up lol. My bad.

[chilly thorn]

Suspects seem to be... kinda dumb still and they only get up when your near by on some maps

[runic bough]

Holy fucking shit… I found that room… this game is dark

[chilly thorn]

Sadly that means the only viable tactic for sleeper agent in solo no longer works

I feel like they should give you extra time for solo its nigh impossible

[rocky plover]

I mean i still did that solo (with AI however) killing them instead of arresting

Granted I restarted quite a bit, cos I was running out of suspects was getting to 12-13 and couldn't find 2-3 more most of the time

[warm gate]

Omg judge has a microwave on console now

[stoic thistle]

Which room?

[upper mauve]

is "The Heat Is On" a reference to the movie Heat or am i making a big stretch with heat and banks being mentioned

[old idol]

I am certain that is the intended reference, there is nothing to suggest the contrary

[upper mauve]

maybe for bonus points on the achievement you have to use sunglassses lol

[fathom laurel]

I think so! the film has policing stuff (e.g LAPD) in it so would make sense as a reference

[upper mauve]

great film btw! if anyone in chat hasn't watched it yet, i'd heavily recommend it

its a nice pallette-cleanser compared to how insane RoN's lore is lol

[rocky plover]

Watched it like 5 times, one of my fav soundtracks in it too

[blissful oyster]

I was crazy once, they put me in a room, a rubber room with MLO, the MLO made me crazy.

[rocky plover]

Also hi I remember you from payday 2 from like 5 years ago lol

[blissful oyster]

doubtful

[warm gate]

I screamed at a table

[blissful oyster]

Just say it was a MLO sleeper agent

[undone bane]

Just seen this, thanks mate!

[somber monolith]

please tell me how its possible for teenagers who made some home made bomb to make grenade traps in an active shooting

because what the fuck 😭

[keen canyon]

Yeah that’s I’m thinking too

[upper mauve]

dude no way lmaooo

[keen canyon]

Also how the hell would they even have the time to set up grenade traps when they’re actively shooting up a school. I get their backpack propane bombs, but I don’t get the traps

[rocky plover]

Yea we used to play dsod loud a lot duo together or in pubs

[upper mauve]

from one co-operative crime based shooter game to another lol

[rocky plover]

Damn right

[somber monolith]

my point exactly

i wish i could place them on roam

[rocky plover]

It's to make hard mode "different" from standard

Kinda lazy if you ask me lol

[somber monolith]

its an active shooting with teenagers

[upper mauve]

i found out about the traps on doors the hard way, prompted my team ai to breach kick a door open and uhhhh

[somber monolith]

not gerard or the mlo they probably wouldnt even be able to get grenades

[warm gate]

I mean teenagers are unpredictable so youll never know what theyre up to

[somber monolith]

it kinda hinders the whole move fast or people die point of the mission

[upper mauve]

its probably a skill issue on my part but i feel like elephant on hard feels like a 50/50 if you get enough time to clear the shooters before they start executing, they waste no time

[rocky plover]

At least it's just 4 suspects (5 on hard) and time to kill civs isn't as bad as hunger strike lol but yeah it can still be annoying

[undone bane]

Highlights how hectic real school shootings are
And the difficulties that come with such a tragedy

[keen canyon]

Yea… plus it unnecessarily slows you down. The exact opposite of what you need to do during an active shooting

[rocky plover]

It doesn't slow me down, cos I use breach shotgun from a safe distance and blow that shit up

But yeah I get what you mean

[upper mauve]

despite how cool the breaching shotgun is, i love the mirrorgun too much

[somber monolith]

they arent having enough time nor the sophistication to place grenade traps

[rocky plover]

Well it's the most op thing from long tactical technically

[keen canyon]

That shit has saved me and my friends lives more times than I can count. mfs don’t check the door for traps so they get blown up 😭

[rocky plover]

Although I like the m320 flash NGL when I'm not using breaching shotgun

[upper mauve]

wdym by "technically"?

[somber monolith]

you mean to tell me that i deploy 2 flashbangs and this little shitsneeze just gets back up from it

[rocky plover]

Information is king and it's hand down the most op thing, can be used under doors, over windows, around corners so good that I hate using it sometimes

[somber monolith]

how much time do i have for th eboms

[upper mauve]

ohhh, i thought you were meaning the breaching shotgun was op technically. i get what you mean tho

[rocky plover]

Don't know the actual value but they seem to take very slightly longer before firing, but if they are already stressed and pre aiming there is no difference

[warm gate]

Flash launcher is now dubbed the MLO slapper 9000

[rocky plover]

Nah nah mirrorgun, sorry if I didn't choose the correct words

[keen canyon]

Wait. If you place c2 on a trapped door and blow it up, do you get a bigger boom?

[warm gate]

It goes off then the trap does just step back enough to not go kapow

[rocky plover]

Ik took me over 60 tries for programmed psychosis give or take

[rocky plover]

Idk

[warm gate]

Programmed psychosis is detonating the building right?

[rocky plover]

No

ana hard solo

[warm gate]

I havent looked into the achievements yet but i dont wanna play on hard so imma stay away until im confident in my ability to not be dumb

[rocky plover]

Targeted manipulation is that one

Nice

[warm gate]

I think i got targeted manipulaton first actually

[crude prism]

Once activated, suspects can in-theory react in as low as 100ms on Standard, and 50ms on Hard.

With an additional +50ms to hard and +100ms on Standard for time-on-target before shooting.

This with the disclaimer that they are already alerted, turned to, and aiming at a location already

[warm gate]

I played boiling point on casual after i heard about how methed out the suspects were first time doing that too

[crude prism]

Yeah I'm over doing ANA solo on Hard, you're not even playing the game anymore.

It's just cheesing the AI tracking with lean strats

[surreal pelican]

Is my eyes it burns fixed

[oblique zodiac]

holy fuck attempting programmed psychosis I completely cleared floors 2 and 3 taking half an hour only for a guy to rush down the stairway and 1 shot run and gun me wtf is this

[warm gate]

Eh at least it aint like helldivers not having a balance team and the only decent vehicle is the recon car because the tank and mechs are papier machae

[surreal pelican]

😂 the only time I used the FRV is for SC farming

[covert aurora]

Also ps for ANA make sure to watch out for laser traps

[crude prism]

Hey I have a meme for that

AH is horrible

Yeah this shit is ass

[warm gate]

I use it for bots and speedrunning blitz missions on squids its trash and on bugs you run more over than you want to and your tire all of the sudden got slashed

You can use nvgs to see the lasers right?

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[pseudo portal]

how tf do you s rank elephant 😭 (please help ive been at it for 2 days straight)

[warm gate]

Especially with that mech bs they pulled out of magic land i mean the squids needed more but holy harvester hell and those ranged ones omfg dude

[crude prism]

Well you see it's important that the AI gets 320 out of 360 degree vision so they can ALMOST see entirely behind themselves and then do stupid shit like this

[upper mauve]

the amount of times i've had the enemies do complete 180s and start shooting at me with almost perfect accuracy is silly

[daring lion]

Is anyone else having issues with attachments loading/functioning after the recent update?

[warm gate]

Im glad they fixed the haunted house tbh

It being that fckn dark was bad

[somber monolith]

beat those stupid teenagers

[rocky plover]

@crude prism yo mate while you're here wanted to tell you smth, didn't wanna randomly ping you and bother you but I just saw you active here just now so taking my chance

[somber monolith]

they booby trapped every door intot he lecture hall and someones office, i guess they really dont like them in particular

[warm gate]

Hell yea dawg

[crude prism]

Death

[warm gate]

Oh are you playing on hard

[somber monolith]

true

[somber monolith]

YEP lmao going for the "I'm too old for this" s only

[rocky plover]

Lol, on your spreadsheet found a small mistake

[warm gate]

5 mlo suspects 1 room 1 flash knocked all of them down

[somber monolith]

i love the m32

[crude prism]

Happens, do tell

[warm gate]

Hell yea get it dawg

[rocky plover]

I think for ANA hard minimum is 23 not 24 suspects

[stable flame]

i was so close to getting my first S rank and i ran into a trap

[somber monolith]

i have 7 more missions

[warm gate]

M32 flash m320 gas is my less lethal loadout for everything

[somber monolith]

everything past elephant

[rocky plover]

Cos for my programmed psychosis achievements which took 3838833 tries lol, I either had 23 or 24 or 25, don't think I've had 26 either which is the listed max suspects

[warm gate]

You got this i believe in you definitely for neon tomb and relapse you want nutritionist and an armorer

[somber monolith]

time to go investigate some wierd border activities

[somber monolith]

im doing quick play then im gonna do a ironman on normal mode

[undone bane]

Those 2 missions are literally all i need for the achievement lol. They been absolutely fuckin me up

[somber monolith]

but so far my universal sollution has been flashy flashy your blindy blindy

[warm gate]

I forgot hard added traps and you said they had traps on elephant and i was like the what

[somber monolith]

yea it was fucking grim

[crude prism]

The listed value is 23/25 but Void usually adds VIP suspects on top of this value (so +1 for flower dickhead)

Possible they didn't this time and have a workaround

I actually haven't looked even though I've spent like 8 hours attempting the stupid solo thing

[somber monolith]

had to fight - the suspects finding people - traps intending to make me go boom and then lastly the bomb

[warm gate]

I still gotta s rank neon tomb past on standard but i get to the last suspect and get smacked

[somber monolith]

anyway its border hopper time

[somber monolith]

you try just equipping everyone with m32s

😭 worked for me

[rocky plover]

Oh I see, my bad then, not your fault.
Yeah took me days of restarts but finally got it today, it's literally not realistic at all the way it needs to be done lmao

[somber monolith]

dude programmed psychosis became my sleep paralysis demon

[warm gate]

It does i just cant get past the crazy amount of absoule bs hiding spots they use

[somber monolith]

lmfao

[crude prism]

Slop achievement to the max

"learn how to cheat our AH by abusing their visual detection on leans for 50 minutes"

[somber monolith]

shoot at every ccorner

[warm gate]

Definitely how im gonna handle it

Especially that gas works on the hand and it works now woth the patch so imma throw spicy air in the dancefloore before i breach it

[rocky plover]

Yea, my successful run took around 98 minutes 😂

So imagine all the other time for the failed ones

I had a lot of ~18/24 failed runs most of the time

[crude prism]

I want footage of a Void employee getting the achievement

[rocky plover]

Spiral stairs onwards is a nightmare

[rocky plover]

Ikr..... Same

[tame thorn]

Why does every update makes mods corrupted? Is there any way to avoid this happening without having to uninstall every mod?

[rocky plover]

Because mods have to be updated to the latest patch

[tame thorn]

Thank you

[rocky plover]

👍

[rocky plover]

Also you wrote S2001 instead S2011

[somber monolith]

okay the tunnel mexicans are pissing me off a little

[rocky plover]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[sly pivot]

I''m new to this game, but have been playing a bit, so I have been trying to get atleast a A on standard before going to the next map. What this has caused a lot for me to have to do the hunt down this last person thing a lot. I keep running into situation where the enemy NPC will be inside my gun and seem to only take damage if I switch to my side arm by that time of me realizing tht sometimes I am bled out. Really annoying when thats the last thing on the map before a perfect clear. Any gun recommend that help avoid that? Pistol out seem is not ideal unless I planned on playing it like doom with headshot waiting when every door opens. Also and why do sometimes the bots will recognize that is a trap to disarm and sometimes they will not and just kill themselves? Thanks for book read!

[rocky plover]

You're welcome also have you managed it yet ? (PP)

[keen canyon]

Huh???

[warm gate]

Playing ready or not makes me appreciate skyrim npcs more except nazeem i find fun ways to kill him every run

[rocky plover]

Or still going crazy?

[rocky plover]

Prolly rust belt lol

[keen canyon]

O

[rocky plover]

Take it very slow, my successful run took around 1 and a half hour lol, I used light armor with steel front only for great frontal protection while still being agile.

Oh damn that's unfortunate especially the bring order to chaos and then crash

I died a lot of times on the top floor as well, I had a lot of runs where I never took damage on 2nd and 3rd floor but get obliterated on 4th floor 🙁

[somber monolith]

rust belt

[rocky plover]

Ye its better like that imo, I was just doing 2-3 runs per day and calling it a day, because if I did any more than that, every run would be worse than the previous because I start losing patience and start playing erratically

Yea especially when you literally die a in split second due to them having insane firerate buffs on hard, that it looks like armor is irrelevant lol

[somber monolith]

okay we're turning on the no crack

fuck these cartel members

[keen canyon]

Anyone else feel like the AI on ANA are able to shoot you thru solid walls btw or is it just me?

[somber monolith]

yes yes they can they have high caliber weapons and insane training

[rocky plover]

Not to mention the pixel peeks near outside courtroom, I could barely see shit with the obstacles but they could spot me from a mile away and start shooting controllably and accurately

[urban mural]

Why TOC is more professional in A New America mission with comms?

[somber monolith]

invisible sensors you need nvg for

[keen canyon]

I wanna know what kinda caliber these goobers are packing bc I don’t think I’ve heard of a bullet that was able to punch thru solid marble 😭

[tough veldt]

read the briefing FISA took over operation

[somber monolith]

flash up the stairs

[somber monolith]

mostly 3 o hate and 7.62

[rocky plover]

I feel like it's coded that way intentionally, just like when you give your back to the enemy and he instantly gets back up, it's on purpose

[rocky plover]

It does nothing half the time because they are far back out of range

[urban mural]

You can have access to CCTV via helmet cams if you wire the wires at the start in ANA.

[somber monolith]

atleast helps you know you wont deal with dudes close up

lmfao

[rocky plover]

True

[somber monolith]

footsteps maybe

[rocky plover]

Ye with all the tries I had, that's why I kinda confirm it's coded that way, seems like they can track you somehow

He slow walked so no sound

[undone bane]

Thats gay

[somber monolith]

and they have access to cams

[rocky plover]

Not in that room though

[somber monolith]

even if you rewire them they still have access

[rocky plover]

Ye I know but not in the room he was in

[somber monolith]

probably some are triggered to just bust open doors when your infront of them

[undone bane]

Mag dump every door got it

[rocky plover]

Yea I swear it's coded like that

[urban mural]

You can disable them.

[rocky plover]

Also I'd avoid using stinger btw

Don't ask me why and how but 1 of my failed runs was I had killed everyone, jammer activated threw a stinger in courtroom and VIP guy detonated it

Yes all that is true but VIP guy seems not to like stingers lol

Idk if he died to the stinger or what

[tall jasper]

what mission did you get it on?

[keen canyon]

Ngl im so glad I learned that you can get ammo refills in ANA. Lowkey feels like hitting a bonfire in dark souls

[rocky plover]

Since it can technically kill

Ye thats what might have happened and ruined my run, was so close

[surreal pelican]

I didn't get it yet

[surreal pelican]

Tell me Officer..

Have you seen a player base crumble like a house of cards after finding out about new DLC achievement?

[rocky plover]

Thanks mate, Also can use CS gas as smoke screen if that helps you in any way even though it sacrifices some slots

[surreal pelican]

That's what happened in one of my runs. All floors clear except level 4. Thought level 3 was clear and I was going to jammer and then suddenly stealth mlo came out of nowhere and I died

[rocky plover]

I think it's quite the contrary tbh, done on purpose to keep players retrying the same thing

[surreal pelican]

I rather do sleeper agent than this again

At least with sleeper agent; you get the satisfaction of the arrests

iirc they can't one way see u

[urban mural]

What mission is that abt?

[rocky plover]

Yea I get what you mean hahah, but they don't see through them as of now

[tall jasper]

ah okay no worries

[surreal pelican]

3 LLetter Triad; arrest or incap 15 suspects within 15 seconds

[urban mural]

Hell of a map.

[rocky plover]

Of one another

Important part 😂 or else it's even harder without that part

[surreal pelican]

Choose;

Sleeper Agent or Programmed Psychosis

[stone bay]

can they add cod skins to ready or snot

[surreal pelican]

Hell no

[rocky plover]

Well sleeper agent is definitely easier

[urban mural]

This is not R6 copy.

[rocky plover]

Even though it's still annoying

[surreal pelican]

You should've seen my face when I woke up to retry sleeper agent the arrest method after wasting 5h straight the other day trying to do run and gun method

Sleeper agent is also more fun imho

I took the risk of just arrest canceling exactly 15 suspects while the other 10 was roaming around. That's how 2 of my 4 AI died

Arrest cancel?

oh

For me it was them stuck in the wall squeeze

[rocky plover]

I still kept retrying the lethal way didn't want to do it the arrest method lol have had enough when I S ranked it on hard solo

After around 30 restarts got it though

[surreal pelican]

Mad man of the Pacific

I had 2 stuck in my successful run

[rocky plover]

They fixed the getting stuck I think now

Problem was running out of suspects more than dying lol, kill 12-13 and couldn't find 2-3 more in the time limit

[surreal pelican]

That's what got me fucked up when I did lethal

Same spot for me too

I was lucky enough to pop it

Big Shell Specialist was unfun too especially before we got the now somewhat usable magnifiers

[rocky plover]

I cheesed that before they changed/fixed it lol

Did it on surrendered suspects

Now it needs to be non surrendered

[surreal pelican]

I had a hard time trying to find the second 40m tango

What's the new sight with the magnifier?

I forgot the name of it

[rocky plover]

Rmo I think

[green cloud]

Is Epic server lagging or something?

[bronze sequoia]

Who ping
Why ping
Who pinged and then ponged

[rocky plover]

@karmic sphinx jesus christ that ending, ooof

Yea I feel you, they all happened when they were pre aiming and being aggressive thats why

What helped me was use canted aiming and ads when they rush, rather than normal ads, helped more with visual acuity

I think they come searching when you kill one of them, and due to gun being loud they kinda know where

[latent crescent]

u can beat them by being even more aggro btw

standing still is a deathwish

[rocky plover]

Then ye that's complete bs and confirms my theory of being hard coded that way when your just close to them

[latent crescent]

because they can aimbot you to hell and back

[celest granite]

this is a new america right?

[latent crescent]

fuck that, hard mode u cant really rush em they still aimbot u only way to counter that is to free lean but its just sheer luck

[rocky plover]

But ye whenever I hear them push I set myself up that as soon as they open door I don't give them time to move any further and shoot

[latent crescent]

they beam ur armour full auto and u die in a split second

i didnt see no video

i see the video, yeah that shit is complete bs its always that spiral staircase

yeah that ones hella funny but he gave u a chance to heal to 50hp

[regal schooner]

Guys help me, multiplayer won't work with my friends it says "failed to connect host" Every time we try

[latent crescent]

i might try just rush em on hard, it might actually work depending on luck

it did absolute wonders on standard, the ai couldnt land a shot for shit

[hexed viper]

2 flashbangs and a taser should be enough to get someone to at least drop their gun

[latent crescent]

even on standard if u stand still waiting for them to come u have a risk of getting absolutely prefired champ level

[rocky plover]

Some tips IL give you from the clips you sent are; try peeking slightly less, exposing yourself less, also whenever you move towards the door quickly go towards the hinge side it can save you by giving you cover if it opens instead of staying in the fatal funnel, also don't stay too close to the wall when peeking, if your further away from the wall you can see the angle before if you get what I mean

[latent crescent]

i have 0 hope but its worth a shot for this shit achievement

[warm gate]

Toc can i have some ice cream only a spoonfull judge pulls out comically large spoon

[rocky plover]

Payday 😀

[warm gate]

I wish console pd2 got updates 😭

[rocky plover]

Hinge side also good when your mirroring the door

[warm gate]

If you ambush them through breaches it disrupts them really well tbh

[rocky plover]

Also you can use the mirrorgun above doors that have windows

Very useful

[warm gate]

Like i heard 2 doing a breach and before they threw the flashbang they got took down

[rocky plover]

Wait 1s so you shoot them while they are prepping a flash

[tough veldt]

Oh I didnt know you could put it above doors that have windows

[hexed viper]

The worst part is I know I can breeze through this if I went lethal, the only times I die are when someone refuses to surrender after 4 flashbangs and 5 beanbags or when I start to handcuff one and another downed one gets up

[rocky plover]

You kinda have to get the angle right, needs to be a little specific and also need to free lean upwards

[warm gate]

Set up behind a wall amd when they yell flash hit them with a flash launcher then move its helped me alot

[rocky plover]

Ye can also use do it on 3 letter triad on the circle holes in the walls quite nice

[warm gate]

And trust me those desks in the offices help so much

[rocky plover]

Can also use the mirrorgun through a peeked door to get a better visual around that if it were from under the door

[warm gate]

Free lean behind the desk and wait for them to come towards you and if you got a buddy with a mirrogun watching prep a 9 bang and watch the fireworks

[rocky plover]

Ye that's also very good just make sure not to get caught with your pants down lol

[warm gate]

Mirrorgun is good i just forget it exists sometimes because i'm usually the breacher of my team

[rocky plover]

Not gonna lie it's been years since I used it myself, usually I only use breach shotgun for lethal or m320 flash for S runs and give the mirrorgun to AI

But I had to use it myself for this fucking achievement, it's kinda required ngl

Yea even the best of the best had to resort to it

It's just so tedious

[warm gate]

I always end up being the doorkicker so im used to it kick out of the way lean throw a flash tell a buddy to fire cs gas in youll be fine trust me

[exotic slate]

Elephant hard is awful

[warm gate]

I wish more maps had a cctv system like ANA

[rocky plover]

Maybe in the future dlcs

[hexed viper]

Elephant and No Good Deed are the two that took me the longest to S rank

[warm gate]

I wonder what next dlc is going to be

[hexed viper]

(Other than ANA)

[exotic slate]

Greased palms hard took me 5 hours

[lavish reef]

this story is great and weird

[rocky plover]

No idea but there's already dlc 5 and 6 in the files as placeholders

[hexed viper]

I've never had any issues with Greased palms up until they did that update that reset all my S ranks and I've never been able to get it again

[lavish reef]

what if these DLC were just teaser to next game when we are not playing swat anymore but some weird Black ops agents bcs it literally looks like this

[rocky plover]

3 letter triad on hard was the hardest for me apart from ANA

[warm gate]

You know ready or not and spec ops the line feel similar with judge and the guy you played as in spec ops the line its been so long but like its a descent into madness especially for the bad ending how judge just sounds done after talking to the guy

[rocky plover]

For S rank ^

I still need ana on hard S btw, last one that I need for full hard S maps

[exotic slate]

Your AI squad is effectly unless on elephant

[hexed viper]

Which one was that again?

[tough veldt]

Oh like 6 more maps minimum?

[lavish reef]

idk but if u guys arrest one of the guy he says,that some weird guy will come to you do not accept his offer and its like secret ending

this story is so good i wish next DLC or next game will be like that but as not swat anymore

[warm gate]

The mlo is definitely coming back next dlc though

[rocky plover]

The Introduction to the MLO suspects

[rocky plover]

I sure hope so if it continues with 3maps per dlc

[warm gate]

Same for black sentinel idk abt los navagantes del caos

[hexed viper]

Oh, Elysian, I forgot that was what it's called

[rocky plover]

Yea

[warm gate]

3 letter triad

[lavish reef]

i Hope next game will be millitary missions or some shit bcs judge is some experiment but CIA put him in swat team to check this program

[hexed viper]

Pre-Console update I found S ranks easier than anything else, that beanbag shotgun just worked yet something feels off about it now

1 bag and they surrendered, now they take 7 and still shoot me

[warm gate]

I mean judge is the third cohort of mlo experiments and im pretty sure the reason gerard went insane

[rocky plover]

Masochist moment haha, but for the sake of replayability after I've finished all achievements so it kinda started as a joke and then wanted to do them all to satisfy my OCD lol

[upper mauve]

absolute madman lmao

[hexed viper]

I'm getting ready to look for a group to do this S rank only for my shitty WIFI to disconnect me once we arrest flowey

[upper mauve]

im happy enough just doing normal S ranks and getting completions for hards

[rocky plover]

It's gonna take days if not weeks, I suffered a lot on 3LT hard S, fucking 28 suspects

[warm gate]

Same reason i play super helldive on helldivers

[rocky plover]

Appreciate it fam

[rocky plover]

[warm gate]

Ive gotten so used to playing d10 bots that its basically nothing especially with the new warbond

Gas mortars just slap

[hexed viper]

Every guide I've looked at for how to S rank this place has like 5 suspects in 1 room who all surrender to a single flash grenade whilst all my runs have everyone dotted about, 1 in every room on each corridor who all rush at once and don't surrneder

[rocky plover]

Whats annoying with ANA with AI is that if the courtroom door is open and the vip sees one of the AI he'll detonate so it's gonna require some god rng on that one

[rocky plover]

They are either on standard instead of hard or they have commander mode traits such as negotiator and pacifier

[hexed viper]

I think I'd wear out my F4 if I tried commander mode

Just sees them

[rocky plover]

Just sees them

[hexed viper]

Jynx

[rocky plover]

XD

[warm gate]

If he just sees them or they just rush the door

[rocky plover]

Swat AI

[drowsy topaz]

I haven't been a big first person shooter over the last five or so years but I got this game an I'm hooked it's legit tbh fun makes you think it over and want to retry to do better I'm loving the commander mode

[rocky plover]

Yea

[warm gate]

I had that happen when i was trying to get the s rank watch and prescott ran in and screwed my s rank up

[hexed viper]

King is my annoying teammate

[rocky plover]

Hahaha I feel you

Swan is mine, he's 99% always the first one that dies

[warm gate]

I looked over prescott was dead the bomb went off and i was like you son of a biscuit

[hexed viper]

Embrace your Sam Fisher, supressed 5.7 and a dream

[drowsy topaz]

Any tips are 9 bangs, flash's or stingers better

[rocky plover]

All have their uses tbh

[hexed viper]

9 bangs feel like a wet paper towel but AI teammates love running into stingers and getting friendly fired

[drowsy topaz]

What would you categorize em as cause Iv never heard of 9 bangs or stingers before I just tried stingers and they were decent in the cabin mission

[rocky plover]

9 bangs 5m radius stun for 10s (also got the most morale drop)
Flash 10m stun for 8s
Stinger 12m stun for 8s
These values are for standard they are less for hard

[warm gate]

Me when bro pulls a tokyo drift mid mission

[hexed viper]

Ngl, next update they should give the flowerman the ability to randomly sneeze and press the detonator, complete RNG

[drowsy topaz]

Bet thank you that's good to know actually

[rocky plover]

Gas is 7m now

Also I hate stingers a lot

[drowsy topaz]

Is gas worth it I haven't looked at it tbh

[warm gate]

Entry team this is toc with fisa jurisdiction the triggerman has sneezed and the bomb went off mission failed

[rocky plover]

They cause friendly fire, they choncky af, since they are bigger they harder to throw through peeked doors, also they roll too much cos they are round, and also chance to kill

So many things I hate bout stingers ^

[drowsy topaz]

What if you have launchers?

[warm gate]

For the non gasmask mlo guys its good but for the courtroom i refill at the crate and spam grenades and rapid fire 6.5 creedmoor in there

[rocky plover]

Haven't tested it alot since it got buffed again from 4.5m to 7m

[drowsy topaz]

You can refill nades?

[hexed viper]

Why I prefer the beanbag over flash launcher

[warm gate]

At the ammo box upstairs in a new america

[rocky plover]

I would still use the flash version because for the launcher they are both 10m (12m is only for hand held stinger)

[warm gate]

Imma be honest my first s rank flash launcher cs gas and flashbangs

[drowsy topaz]

I take it then every map has its weird as Iv been noticing?

[warm gate]

Well 9 bangs but still

[rocky plover]

Also be careful if you use the ammo box on ANA

[drowsy topaz]

Iv been replaying missions to get As and noticing more an more I missed lmao

[rocky plover]

It removes the wedges you had placed, almost ruined my run when I had the courtroom wedges and went to refill

Had to place wedges again

[hexed viper]

You can actually cuff people with their hands up instead of executing them, took me a while to notice that

[rocky plover]

Before I went for jammer

[drowsy topaz]

My first S rank was tonight when I used flash's and stingers for the first time😂

[warm gate]

So dont use wedges with the ammo box

[rocky plover]

It refill everything when you interact with it

[drowsy topaz]

I haven't used wedges either are they necessary lol

[warm gate]

For ana that was what i used my actual first s rank was a beanbag shotgun

[hexed viper]

Will Void pay for my therapy after trying this for 3 days straight?

[rocky plover]

I had just 1 which is technically 2 and saved them for the 2 double doors on the side while I cleared the rest of outside courtroom

Also I found that leaving the metal doors locked is better

So they don't come out and swarm 4th floor outside court room even more

[drowsy topaz]

Oh It was that cabin mission for me I said let's try tactical and non lethal and didn't kill a single person😂😭 and got surprised with the S rank haha

[rocky plover]

I then used c2 on the doors and cleared them 1 by 1, and wedged the single doors that lead to the courtroom itself

[hexed viper]

The way my brain works I need to S rank a mission before I can try any other way

[serene gazelle]

has anyone else been experiencing game crashes when trying to load into missions or customize stuff?

[rocky plover]

I removed the wedges from the double doors and transferred them to the single doors

Yea whenever you can it's better to keep the enemy locked in and pick them off 1 by 1, the last thing you want it to face off 6 dudes at once lol

[hexed viper]

Why is it that all the LFG people are either playstation or modders, I need other massochists to get this done

Gaming isn't about having fun

[hexed viper]

RIP old CS gas

[somber wolf]

crossplay exists

[rocky plover]

My loadout if it helps you was, 6 slots buckshot ammo, 1 slot .50AE JHP for those 1 taps to the arm/legs during peeking in tight doors, 1 c2 (which gives you 2), 1 wedge (which gives you 2), and 2 9bangs and 2 normal flashbangs, light armor front coverage only steel and mirrorgun

[hexed viper]

Item goblin

[lavish goblet]

For the loss of that many slots it becomes more worse than any good.

[rocky plover]

Didn't wanna be slow AF plus if you face the danger you only get shot to the front plate, also 2 more slots

[hexed viper]

Tbf, next attempt I might run stab vest, my armour doesnt' seem to be doing much anyway

[warm gate]

My first was the gas station on my first playthrough

Trust me front plate ceramic and run a shield on your back

[rocky plover]

If you avoid getting shot to the back and sides it's the same as if you have full coverage, but if you get shot to the back or sides it's Kevlar so you die way quicker, you just need to be aware of your surroundings and just face the danger to use your front plate

[hexed viper]

But what about my mirrorgun?

[rocky plover]

Front + back steel isn't bad either, but full coverage is painfully slow

[warm gate]

You magic that out of thin air

[rocky plover]

Only time I would use full coverage is with ceramic not with steel (unless we are speaking about swat AI)

[hexed viper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bfh-deagle

[vale plume]

This game still needs fixing

[rocky plover]

That was before, after console update it made steel op cos of damage cap

You now survive way more with steel

[vale plume]

Single player doesn’t have a mask but multiplayer yes

[warm gate]

Steel fragments the bullets and hurts you ceramic just breaks

[rocky plover]

And also you can heal back to 50% with bleeds on steel, which can't be done on broken ceramic

[warm gate]

If youre talking abt the balaclava yes

[vale plume]

I’m trying to say it

[rocky plover]

Spalling doesn't happen to yourself, only to others so kinda irrelevant

[hexed viper]

Right, onto my 76th attempt (not even exagurating)

[warm gate]

Does anyone use kevalar

[vale plume]

I know

[rocky plover]

Might as well use stab vest if using kevlar

Yeah since heavy front only offers no benefit

[vale plume]

Light armor is fantastic

[vale plume]

Heavy blows

[rocky plover]

If you want to be a little bit more safe take front and back coverage

[warm gate]

I use light ceramic front and back and i just play slow and try not to get shot at

[rocky plover]

Used to be my go to before steel was buffed

[warm gate]

I use steel for heavy and then i use ceramic for light

[rocky plover]

Remember this ^

[warm gate]

I touched kevalar once by accident and i was like how am i getting slapped so hard

[rocky plover]

Hahaa Kevlar is basically no armor due to the damage cap so 3 shots or so and you die

[warm gate]

Gas station 23 megabytes and twisted nerve maybe but everything else is ceramic

[rocky plover]

I would inverse them NGL lol

I like using stab vest sometimes for more utility especially on S runs

[warm gate]

I just got so used to running ceramic plates that i dont even run steel heavy

[rocky plover]

But with light armor front coverage only I feel a little bit more 'safe'

[warm gate]

Oh ofc and faster

[rocky plover]

Not faster than stab vest though

Front only steel is around same speed as front+back ceramic

[warm gate]

I dont even use the stab vest tbh

[rocky plover]

Or should I say acceleration actually, speed is same across all types

[warm gate]

I know more slots but i just use my light or heavy armor

[rocky plover]

I do sometimes for when I want more utility such as bangs and what not, quite useful for S runs but ye risky to getting lit up in a few shots

Yea light just gives me that peace of mind

Of having a 'backup'

[warm gate]

Normally i run 3 rifle and 2 pistol mags unless im in more combat than 3 rifle mags then i add 2 more rifle and 1 more pistol

[rocky plover]

For lethal I use 4 primary, 2 secondary, 1 taser, 6 9 bangs

And breach shotgun with light armor front only steel

Used to be front and back ceramic before the steel buff

[warm gate]

I mean gas and 9 bangs help alot especially with the mlo because if you need to reload slap a 9 bang down reload then arrest them

[rocky plover]

I like using the breach shotgun to blow the corner hinge side of the door and throw the bang through the destroyed part without even needing to peek/open the door lol

Can also disarm traps that way without even peeking the door

Ofc it needs to be a wooden door however and not a metal door

[warm gate]

I do that too mostly especially to pacify suspects and civs on the other side

[rocky plover]

Yea and it's much safer overall than needing to peek/open door and expose yourself

To throw it

[warm gate]

Especially in 23 megabytes a second because i wedge the middle door and go up stairs and clear top down

[rocky plover]

Ye same lol

[warm gate]

That or i pull the stewie griffin tactic and full auto everyone

[rocky plover]

I'm always in full auto just in case, but I shoot in controlled bursts, faster than tapping

[warm gate]

Burst is so good tbh

[rocky plover]

Yea, still practicing with it on the g18, it's so damn fast that it gets out of hand, it's faster than the p90/mp7/mp9 lol

[warm gate]

G18 is tap fire worthy

[rocky plover]

True but I'd rather use the s2011-p for tap fire, seems better for me

[errant ravine]

I want them to add a k-9 feature

[warm gate]

The 2011 is really fun too

[rocky plover]

It's been suggested multiple times and many are against it, also not that easy to implement to make it work as intended and not be a complete mess

[errant ravine]

But I feel like void is capable of making this be a feature

But I get what you're saying

[rocky plover]

Yea it's a nice idea as a whole, even a cheap game such as zero hour managed to implement it, even though the pathfidning and mechanics aren't that great

[still perch]

"arrest qadamah"

[warm gate]

Nah i aint arresting quadamah big iron intensifies

[alpine steeple]

now is the best time for void to add PVP back tbh...

im sure they could make it work somehow

[delicate hound]

Did RoN have a bundle sale when it was on sale?

I could've sworn I bought the deluxe edition but I'm in denial right now lol

[rocky plover]

Pls do share 💀

[chilly thorn]

animating a dog would be fucking hell on earth

[rocky plover]

Ye that's also a factor

[lime kernel]

[rocky plover]

But hey they used AI for their game, so they can use it for the dog as well lol

[chilly thorn]

Im pretty sure the new briefing guy is the fucking five nights at freddies dude

they sound like the exact same