👮ron-discussion

[tame valve]

will there be an update this month?

[empty yoke]

Remember when VOID was supposed to be that one company that basically said "fuck you" to everyone and not bend its knees to anyone??

[tall gate]

Anyone here?

[primal gate]

trying to do sleeper agent now

abject misery so far

[willow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-nico-seal-seap-gif-24797155

slightly got bored and killed everyone on valley of the dolls

including civies

[marsh lark]

I mean, they kinda had no choice when they want to release the game on other platforms, so.

[tall gate]

What is the most festive mission in Ready or Not?

[willow solstice]

any of the exploited missions. you gert to gift pedos a round to the chest

[tall gate]

There should be a festive one, like a christmas market gone bad

[tidal sleet]

I mean you can see how many bullets it takes to delete their arm with 9mm

[primal gate]

I need help with the godforsaken sleeper agent achievement

I know how to do it, I just need someone who can help me bag up surrendered enemy weapons without also arresting them

[craggy fable]

is that the one for 3 letter triad or whatever its called

[primal gate]

yes

[jolly verge]

Why do you need bag their guns?

[rocky plover]

He's probably doing it the less lethal way by restraining them, instead of killing them.

[craggy fable]

non lethal and have everyone surrender in 1 room. bag their weapons including the ones on them and arrest them all as fast as you can

if you arrest a suspect and instantly walk back, it stops the animation and their weapons drop to the ground

[rocky plover]

Could do that, I did it the lethal way however by killing them

[jolly verge]

I mean you don't need to bag their guns if they can't stand up anyway after arrest cancel

[craggy fable]

very easy way to prevent suspects from pulling out a weapon as you're doing something else

just to be safe ig, ive had bad experiences so i do it anyways

[primal gate]

You did it via luck?

[rocky plover]

Trial and error with around 30 restarts

Up until 12th or so suspect was easy but finding the last few was hard within 15s due to rng spawns

But still quite fast compared to doing it less lethally, with less lethal tho you don't have to restart as much

Can also do it with the more suspects mod tbh, becomes way easier

[rocky plover]

I also did it solo, with a team in multiplayer it's even easier

[primal gate]

Do kills and arrests count towards everyone in the lobby?

[rocky plover]

Yea

[near viper]

did you do it non-lethal? I swear this achievement solo is borderline impossible

[near viper]

nvm you shot them, I swear once I did it that way once all suspects within 10 seconds and the achievement just didn't pop

[primal gate]

Anyone wanna coordinate to try and do this bullshit?

[near viper]

I am too stubborn to not do it solo but I hope you find someone

[rocky plover]

You sure you didn't miss 1 suspect in the 15s period?

[near viper]

Im sure I didnt I got more than 15, got an insanely lucky spawn

[rocky plover]

It happened quite a bit to me, but after some restarts I managed to get it

[near viper]

was so annoyed I didnt get it after so many hours

just out of interest what weapon did you use?

[rocky plover]

And you sure it was 15 suspects? Maybe you had 13 or 14 or smth like that

[rocky plover]

F90

[primal gate]

I need like 4 people tbh, if I'm gonna get this achievement, it's gonna be in the easiest way possible with the most amount of people also getting it

[near viper]

no no it was definetely more than 15, because after I got them all within 15 seconds of eachother, there were only two suspects left to find

and 18 suspects in total

[near viper]

thanks maybe it will give me good luck when im bothered to try it again

[rocky plover]

Yea, another way of roughly knowing is when you get the failed to arrest 5 suspects thing and the achievement doesn't popup, you most likely have to restart at that point

Good luck! I had to restart quite a bit it's literally an rng achievement

[near viper]

yeah thats what I usually do, tbh i tried doing it non lethal but the suspects are really buggy and get stuck on things when telling them to move so I think I'll carry on shooting them

[near viper]

Thanks! I will get it eventually, I did not S rank greased palms to give up with some bs rng achievement

[rocky plover]

Less lethal is more "guaranteed" than lethal but I just couldn't be bothered doing it that way lol

So I just preferred doing it lethally and restarting

[near viper]

so the suspects cant die right? I need to shoot them in the chest and pray theyre only incapacitated and not dead right?

[rocky plover]

Less lethal felt like it would take much longer

Ye they can die, the achievement description is kinda misleading

[near viper]

Everytime I ask people give different responses so idek anymore

[near viper]

bruh the description is terrible

[rocky plover]

Yea :/

[jolly verge]

Funny that description is fine on console for some reason

[near viper]

what is it on console?

[rocky plover]

Most probably they realized and never bothered fixing it on PC version then lol

[jolly verge]

Kill, incap or arrest, not just incap and arrest

[near viper]

bruh nice job VOID

at least that confirms you can kill them

[rocky plover]

Yea, makes it somewhat easier at least lol

[near viper]

exactly, might be worth taking a more powerful 7.62 weapon to down them quicker now that I know for sure you can kill them

ive tried a shotgun but the reloading wastes so much time

[rocky plover]

Yes you can try, I had better luck with low recoil weapons tho so I can move while shooting and still be accurate and the high RoF helps, ending up doing more DPS with 5.56 than 7.62 but that's just me

Plus 30 ammo Vs 20

Reloading less

And switching to pistol faster

In case I needed to

[near viper]

very true tbh the lower recoil definitely helps

[jolly verge]

It's either .300blk or 7.62x51 JHP, 5.56 not good on this mission because you have to use AP against few suspects with level 3 armor

[rocky plover]

True, I just wanted a very low recoil AR so I just went with f90 and Ap rounds

[near viper]

it does seem a lot easier with low recoil AR, doing it with g36 using laser pointer makes aiming and shooting so easy

[rocky plover]

I tried g36 in the beginning, but reload is a bit slower and so is the fire rate

That's why I switched to f90 then

[near viper]

I will try f90 then every little helps here

[rocky plover]

Yea can try MCX too quite similar , or even arn180 as aspid suggested

[near viper]

I just want the suffering to end I think I can do the map with my eyes closed at this point

[rocky plover]

Haha I feel you

Just don't let it take the fun away

[near viper]

I think s ranking greased palms on hard 5 times in a row would be more fun than attempting sleeper agent any more times

[rocky plover]

Hahaha probably 😂

@jolly verge wanted to ask you as well regarding the steel Vs ceramic earlier, even for swat AI steel right?

[jolly verge]

Swat ai should always use steel

[rocky plover]

Both in quick play and commander (with armourer) right?

[jolly verge]

Yeap, with armorer they become literally unkillable

[rocky plover]

Ok thanks, thought so, cos I was confused when in the spreadsheet it said, ceramic for AI, steel for self.

[jolly verge]

In pair with nutritionist ofc

[rocky plover]

Yea

[rocky plover]

I was like if steel is better for myself, shouldn't it also be the choice for AI, why is it suggesting ceramic for AI and it made me wanna confirm with you lol

[rocky plover]

Ye makes sense, thanks

[jolly verge]

Maybe because of spalling? I mean you can ping him if you want to know why ceramic exactly for ai

[rocky plover]

Could be, I thought maybe because ceramic was better before the steel buff and maybe it was kinda overlooked, or if maybe the trait was not working correctly and/or only effecting ceramic

[jolly verge]

+5% reduction and 50% more durability always been like this.

When 1.0 released with Commander mode and officers traits everyone were thinking that traits working only when you unlock them. Imagine out faces when we find out that they worked only on locked state

[rocky plover]

But wasn't it only effecting ceramic before and not steel?

[jolly verge]

It's been fixed pretty fast (faster than ads speed on grips at least)

[rocky plover]

Yea ads speed took ages lmao true

[jolly verge]

Nah, they didn't change traits since they add them, armorer always gave +5% reduction and 50% durability

[rocky plover]

Ah I thought it only gave the stats to the ceramic and not steel as well

Well spalling might be the reason for the suggestion then, makes sense.

[rocky plover]

Since everyone was pretty much saying to use ceramic both for self and AI

Back when the traits thing was released

[jolly verge]

First time when i find out that traits were working only while locked by just starting a new commander mode

[rocky plover]

Hahaha nice

[jolly verge]

When they broke damage on armor ceramic was indeed the best option, because higher damage calibers were dealing only half of durability damage

[rocky plover]

That's what happens when they don't test it enough before releasing an update xD

[rocky plover]

Ah then that's why that was suggested to begin with

[jolly verge]

Test? What does it mean

[rocky plover]

[rocky plover]

😂

[rocky plover]

[full shore]

Who's ready

[rocky plover]

[covert aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-im-ready-running-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4184916

;)

[sudden wedge]

i was gonna buy this game but does any console players know if it supports mouse and keyboard because i find that much easier

[dapper granite]

found a weird bug with the F90 where if you have your nods down and try to shoot while leaning it'll quickly snap you back into normal position after every shot

sounds ridiculous right

but no other guns do this and even with the F90 it only happens with your nods down

strange

[solemn patio]

Why do suspects strafe so much sometimes

My controller makes my aim sway like I have fucking parkinsons

Shake is the word

[ionic cove]

So I have a question, what’s everyone’s thoughts on greased palms?

[dapper granite]

I've grown to like it but still don't really like that the suspects can easily spot you through small crevices inbetween the boxes

[ionic cove]

Yeah

That’s pretty much how I feel but o honestly hate it for that reason tbf, I think it’s probably the worse level in this game imo

I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t crazy lol

[arctic mural]

Hey guys, the rank of mission interfere on unlocking traits quickly?

Like if I do like a B rank, my Bots gonna unlock they traits slower? Or rank is just a data for how i performed?

[surreal pelican]

Do you usually give your AI more mags or more flashbangs? (For the heavy vest loadout)

[deep sentinel]

I've heard people use xims for it so I'm not sure if it works

[surreal pelican]

Coz rn I'm debating whether to just give them 3 flashbangs for more mags since most of them usually cover fires for me especially when I ask one team to hold their position to defend my flank

[surreal pelican]

I think it soley depends on how many missions you've done, for me I just kept redoing Gas Station to unlock the traits faster coz short mission and map

[cedar mulch]

If AI teammates don't improve their stats, I reckon equipping them with any gear is pointless.

[rare zodiac]

TOC can suck a big fat one. That is all

[jolly verge]

1 assigned ammo slot gives them infinity ammo

[surreal pelican]

Hell nah

[narrow geode]

The station has spent all of their money on quantum magazines with infinite bullets
That's why we're on a budget

[cedar mulch]

Have many players already given up on this game?

[flat sparrow]

Wdym?

[haughty pelican]

yes it does

[rocky plover]

More utility

[wind gyro]

are you using cheats

cheat engine for ready or not

[rocky plover]

He's gathering info!

[surreal pelican]

o aight, rn I'm testing the steel with heavy for my AI, so far feels better

But my god narcos is hell if you don't have a preplanned route lmao

[rocky plover]

Nice

[rocky plover]

Yes I like the map I just don't like the suspects spawns, I wish they would be mostly indoors instead of the opposite

Would make a nicer cqb map

[surreal pelican]

Same

I gave my AI 4 mags and 3 bangs, rest 1 C2 and Wedge

[surreal pelican]

Which route do you clear? I always clear the right side house then focus on the green one and work my way around anti clockwise

[wind gyro]

cheater

imagine cheating in a pve game

[rocky plover]

Yea roughly the same, I think we also confirmed our theory yesterday, can focus more on utility cos they don't run out of ammo

[rocky plover]

Most of the time same - anti clockwise but depends where I get most shot from

[jolly verge]

Yeap, there is no other way around to data mining without dev build

[rocky plover]

Cos sometimes I can do a little bit anticlockwise then track back a little bit clockwise and repeat but depends

[wind gyro]

@bert pls giv dev build

@gerby pls give dev build

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[surreal pelican]

So you clear from the right right? The green house area first?

[rocky plover]

Yea but first I check the one that's in the middle right as you enter the yard

[surreal pelican]

For me I stack red on the right after exiting the cop house while I clear the 2 houses on the left with blue, then wedge the last house door that leads to the open then backtrack and clear the left side of houses that I have red stacked up on

o

[rocky plover]

Since it's the closest

[surreal pelican]

I found a useful pic for narcos, I'll send it in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

Maybe you can tell which house number you clear first? It has marked houses via numbers

After clearing 3 and 5, I backtrack to clear 2 and 4 before going to clear 9 and the remaining numbers via 5 coz of that stupid ass yard walkway, too open

[wind gyro]

what if we just dropped a nuclear bomb on narcos

[rocky plover]

1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 5 but depends what and where suspects I encounter outside sometimes I do 1, 3, 2, 5, 9, 8, 7, 6, 4

[rocky plover]

Agree, cos why tf like 75% are on the exterior, they should be inside FFS in a defensive position

[surreal pelican]

How do you move from 4 to 6? I always wedge that door that leads me to the yard walkway

[rocky plover]

By exiting from the garage and hugging right side fence

[surreal pelican]

For me my usual is 1, 3, 5, 2, 4, 9, 8, 7

[rocky plover]

I slowly check left before ofc to see if there's a suspect there but then I continue right and work in an anti clockwise pattern in that case

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[surreal pelican]

Idk if this route I take is stupid but I don't take the hug fence route coz my AI won't stop screaming and usually we get cheesed after that

[rocky plover]

It kinda differs though like I said depending on suspects spawns, if they start to rush me from everywhere, I just focus on exterior and where the threat is and don't really work it house by house.

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[wind gyro]

its grove street what do you expect

[rocky plover]

Yea with swat AI it's actually a little bit harder imo cos they kinda attract way more attention than they need to, making suspects more stressed and aggressive lol

[surreal pelican]

Grove Street, Home..

[rocky plover]

😂

[surreal pelican]

Yeaa, is my route the safer option with AI?

[rocky plover]

Lemme see 1 sec

[surreal pelican]

Yes longer distance to backtrack

The dude with the dead dog is CJ confirmed?

[rocky plover]

Not bad but going from 3 to 5 sometimes is risky due to sightlines from 2 and even near the fence area

[wind gyro]

i love watching people suffer on S ranks

especially when the video title is "Opening A Portal to Agartha in Ready or Not"

[rocky plover]

Then you should have seen me on S Hard 3 letter triad 😂

[surreal pelican]

True, for me my counter to that is that I order red to stack up at the small little garden wall thingy while I clear 3 to 5

[rocky plover]

Yea simultaneous clear can help ^

[surreal pelican]

Relapse S rank on Hard is a whole different chapter

[wind gyro]

i did all s ranks on standard, hard was done on spray and pray

[surreal pelican]

How that work? I don't trust them because one of them will get killed usually

I just ask them to stack up and watch the sightlines before coming back to red

[rocky plover]

As in splitting red and blue and queue commands but gotta be careful not to distant them too much

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[rocky plover]

Same but then decided to lose my sanity and did all hard on S too lol

[surreal pelican]

I don't dare risk doing simultaneous clear so I just clear house by house with each team respectively one by one

[surreal pelican]

I guess risk is lower that way?

[wind gyro]

lead this is toc

[rocky plover]

Ye definitely you have your eyes on all your swat AI

[surreal pelican]

Yea, I also don't really do the simultaneous breach on the 4 houses coz 2, 3, 4 and 5 are a big mess with interconnected areas

And once they start shouting and decide to pursue someone, they die

[rocky plover]

Yea it's a bit annoying to do on this map when you are exposed by the rest of the map

[surreal pelican]

Ya

Hear me out, even Greased Palms is more enjoyable

Coz they don't have fucking 100 round magazines

[rocky plover]

Yea the spawns seem to be somewhat less varied so more easier to remember where most of them are

[surreal pelican]

Plus you can isolate warehouse pretty easily and ensure they don't scurry off if you wedge everything and breach via the loading area

[surreal pelican]

Yup

Whichs worse? 3LT or Narcos?

[rocky plover]

Definitely 3lt for me

Harder than Port, relapse etc...

[wind gyro]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message i didnt know ths suspects could kill themself

[rocky plover]

3lt can have up to 28 suspects....

I kept running out of ammo on it (when doing less lethal solo without AI)

[surreal pelican]

Wow

[surreal pelican]

I think I'd say 3LT too

Or shit both are on par

[surreal pelican]

One of my S runs ended coz of that

[rocky plover]

Yeah I encounter it the most on neon tomb and relapse, it's when they become max stressed

Ruined quite a lot of s ranks cos of it

[surreal pelican]

Yuup

Is it me or do I find the base game missions more fun and enjoyable?

Especially for maps like Greased Palms Vs Narcos

[wind gyro]

imagine instead of shooting they just start sucking on the barrel

[rocky plover]

I mean there isn't a lot to choose from the dlc missions yet so yea

Plus I preferred home invasion over dark waters

[surreal pelican]

Ye

[rocky plover]

Hahahahah

[surreal pelican]

Best dlc map for home invasion is Def narcos

[rocky plover]

The 2 missions from LSS are not bad either though

Mines lawmaker, I love it

[surreal pelican]

Bro Edgeware Apartments.. they all suddenly know I'm here

[rocky plover]

😂😂

Not to mention traps on that one lmao

[surreal pelican]

It doesn't make sense

[rocky plover]

Like lemme cut the wire in peace instead of flanking me 😂

[surreal pelican]

I think I've come to a point where I've suffered GP so many times that I actually now enjoy it

And probs coz of the atmosphere too

And ost?

[jolly verge]

There 10 missions where they can suicide on zeroed morale

[wind gyro]

i hate you zeus

pls dont ban this is a joke 😓

[rocky plover]

Ye same

[surreal pelican]

How do I cope with my AI death

Sometimes I wonder if there's even a difference with heavy vest or light vest coverage 😭 like they just collapse

[rocky plover]

Yeah it's weird, but definitely give them heavy

They suck at facing threats directly

[surreal pelican]

They're running heavy vest with steel, I'm running light with steel

[rocky plover]

Ye same

[surreal pelican]

If really it's true about infinite mags then I think I might give al more flashbangs

[rocky plover]

Sometimes they're bullet sponges sometimes they just die xD

[late prism]

Heavy vest just adds protection to the sides so unless they’re getting shot in their sides beneath their arms then it won’t change anything afaik.

[rocky plover]

Yea I guess

[jolly verge]

Headshot and limb shots are still the thing

[late prism]

Doesn’t change durability or damage reduction for the vest.

[rocky plover]

Ye correct ^

[surreal pelican]

Can the AI bleed? And if they do, they'll bandage right?

[rocky plover]

Just coverage

[jolly verge]

Nope, swat ai can't bleed

[surreal pelican]

Damn.. I guess the extra protection still protects them from fast death ig

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[rocky plover]

When the suspects were really cranked up, apart from GP even VoTD was insane

[surreal pelican]

Wtf

[rocky plover]

Especially when going less lethal

Cos you can't shoot through the glass

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[late prism]

Oh yeah glass is super annoying in S ranks

[surreal pelican]

Is the infinite mags ammo a glitch or something for the AI?

[valid raven]

Do you guys consider stingers to be non-lethal versions of frag grenades?

[late prism]

Especially on missions like mindjot or the valley of the dolls

[surreal pelican]

Yup

[valid raven]

Filled with rubber balls rather then bits if metal

I should say less lethal because they can still kill

[surreal pelican]

Hell ye

[empty yoke]

Not only this but they had lots of other stuff removed, like that one school shooting level they heavily advertised, and generally toning down the game is just not what they said they will be

[valid raven]

And if this game had PVP fake grenades would be nice

[rocky plover]

Id say less lethal not non lethal cos in very rare situations stingers can still kill

[late prism]

Elephant is still in the game though?

The school shooting level has very much not been removed.

[rocky plover]

Ye sorry just saw this

[empty yoke]

The first one i mean

That one in RON trailer

[valid raven]

Honestly I think people are overreacting with that

Like they did not change the core gameplay at all just some visual stuff

[empty yoke]

Im not talking only about that bro omfg

[valid raven]

I know it is old news

[rocky plover]

Yea while I don't like it, it's something I got used to now. Fuck it I guess, had to happen for the playerbase I guess.

[surreal pelican]

Coz idk if it's intended or actually a glitch

[wind gyro]

[rocky plover]

Shhhh, would be annoying if they fix that hahaha

[surreal pelican]

My only complaint is why can't I decapitate dead suspects?

[surreal pelican]

[empty yoke]

Yeah but they advertised themselves as the ones who wont give a shit about something being controversial

[valid raven]

has anyone ever had when you’re trying to carry a suspect on your shoulder to move them to an area where they won’t get hit with crossfire when restrained you set them down on the ground, and they go flying across the room

Is that a bug

[surreal pelican]

Yup, did it to that stupid Adams

[rocky plover]

Yea I agree, cos if you can do it while the suspect is alive why can't you while he's dead. Like I don't get it, but I guess ratings on console are more sensitive or something to post mortem stuff

[surreal pelican]

But honestly I only really carry and throw them around after order has been brought

[surreal pelican]

Really? I mean the people we go against are like the worst people in society so..

[valid raven]

Why is that considered excessive force?

[surreal pelican]

Exactly, no idea

[rocky plover]

Yea but go figure 🤷🏻‍♂️

[valid raven]

I understand that it’s mostly you apply the minimal amount of effective force

Until the threat is eliminated yes that is often lethal force but not always

[jolly verge]

Seems intended for me , at least it's not a thing for suspects

[rocky plover]

True it's fun staring at a suspect with a shield until he runs out 😂

[valid raven]

I played with somebody in the past that was just breaching doors and shooting everyone in sight without yelling for compliance

Somebody said they cannot get past their anger for what those people did and it’s difficult to follow escalation protocols

[surreal pelican]

How many ammo do those fuckers carry? Never seen them go empty

[rocky plover]

Takes quite a while

[valid raven]

I don’t take the game that seriously its not real

[late prism]

I think in higher difficulties you lose points for that

[jolly verge]

4 ammo slots, some only 2

[rocky plover]

Depending how many side arms he has

[valid raven]

You do

You have to at least make an attempt to get them to surrender

[late prism]

Yeah I don’t get that, it’s literally just a game they haven’t wronged you it’s just the lore for the game the developers decided to write.

[surreal pelican]

Christ

[valid raven]

Even if that was true they get off easy if they die

Better to let them go to jail and rot there

[rocky plover]

Not to mention that they can go for the weapon caches or whatever they're called

[surreal pelican]

True

[valid raven]

Plus thats not your job your job is to restrain as many of them as possible and calm the situation

Why are some civs so dumb as well

Like wouldn’t it just be smarter to sit in the room hands up on your knees when you know cops are there

[late prism]

Also you run into a room and start gunning people down because of personal opinions on them best case scenario you’re never getting a job again.

[valid raven]

You would probably get fired and blacklistd

because you’re letting your personal opinions override protocol

if they aim a gun at you or a civilian fair game to take them out though

What is your opinion on hostage targets a lot of people say you should not take the shot if somebody is using a human shield

[rocky plover]

Id say depends on the risk of the hostage

Like LoS etc...

Cos you don't want to end up shooting the hostage instead

[late prism]

Typically I try to back out of their LoS and get a flash in but I can reliably just hit them in the head so if that's not possible I will do that

That also does run the risk of things happening whilst I'm not looking though

[rocky plover]

Yea I usually retreat a little and try the flash if I see him not surrendering I pop him + it's a bit easier because he's holding/covering his face instead of holding the hostage while he's disoriented

[cedar mulch]

Narcos suspects are stronger than 3LT, but 3LT vastly outnumber the narcos.

[rocky plover]

They would be even stronger (on narcos) if they fix their loadout, some should have L4 armor but instead spawn without it, while the others have L3 (the rest of narcos suspects)

[latent crescent]

who are the 3LT?

Narcos are far worse in terms of misery, who trained these fuckers

[rocky plover]

3 letter triad

[latent crescent]

oh right

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos, The Hand, and UPF are the three most heavily armed organisations.

[latent crescent]

i played the map but idk the lore enough

[rocky plover]

Yea they have the best arsenal

[latent crescent]

Los Locos is the worst by far, they are the only faction i have struggled with

we need more The Hand missions, having a terorrist group to fight against would be really fun for missions

i mean look at Neon Tomb and Relapse

[rocky plover]

Ye GP and rust belt mostly

[cedar mulch]

The Black Sentinel's equipment is inferior to UPF's, suggesting that the organisation may be poorer than I imagined, given they're still using M16A4

[latent crescent]

rust belt are coyotes, but idk if the game directly connects the two or they just work together like irl

[rocky plover]

They are still under Los locos afaik but I might be mistaken

[latent crescent]

they are way too underarmed to be los locos imo

but i may be wrong

GP and buy cheap buy twice are Los Locos, and both of those missions ive struggled with the most

[rocky plover]

Underarmed? Some have the best arsenal too

They are at least unarmoured though

[latent crescent]

probably because the second im in the tunnel i SAS those pricks with the benelli m4

i dont really notice

[cedar mulch]

In their original design, they were far superior to the current coyote.

[wind gyro]

Medojed

[latent crescent]

this is very true

but they probably didnt expect to get swatted

[marsh lark]

School shooting of an elementary school? Yeah, no surprise there, that would have been definitely banned in some countries

[rocky plover]

True

[marsh lark]

Miśka

[latent crescent]

elephant is already pushing it tbf

elephant is just an active shooter gimick from the alpha

[rocky plover]

Gp are los locos ye but buy cheap buy twice are human trafficers and russian mafia don't think they are definitive Los locos I think

[marsh lark]

Elephant is a college, these kids are practically adults. The elementary school would be beyond just controversial

[latent crescent]

russians and los locos are most likely seperate

los locos sells weapons and drugs, russian mafia sells women and children

[rocky plover]

Yea

[latent crescent]

no they arent, the car dealership has hide and seek hinted

they are 100% connected, my bad

[marsh lark]

The evidence in the car dealership gave you an address and details to the port

They are connected

[latent crescent]

yeah, thats why u raid said place

same with the streamer with the servers

the level of detail this game has with hidden lore is amazing

i love games with environmental storytelling

[rocky plover]

True lol

[latent crescent]

hotline miami has a similar type of storytelling

[wind gyro]

hotline miami in ready or not leaked

[rocky plover]

😂

[late prism]

"Entry team to TOC, do you know what time it is?"

[latent crescent]

LMAO

[covert aurora]

"toc to entry team, time for you to get a watch, head back for debrief."

[latent crescent]

Manny Pardo is a HVT you gotta capture in the next DLC

[wind gyro]

[late prism]

That would be really cool as an easter egg though, like just finding a mask somewhere of a chicken head.

[cedar mulch]

The car shop employed members of Los Locos, whose tattoos and Spanish language revealed these facts.

[latent crescent]

other side of america im afraid

[torpid onyx]

it's morbin time

[rocky plover]

Ah I see

[cedar mulch]

Moreover, among the evidence, the car dealership manager clearly has connections to the Rust Belt.

[late prism]

I know but just as a reference it would be cool

[latent crescent]

having a faxed image if Beard and Jacket would be super based

because in that universe it would mean Jacket actually faxed the image over to Beard without him getting instantly nuked

[cedar mulch]

Russian speech has become less frequent compared to version 1.0; I now hear them speaking Spanish almost exclusively. Russian has become quite rare.

[late prism]

Do we actually know of any references to other media in RoN?

[latent crescent]

not that i know of, everything’s all based irl

[rocky plover]

Yea true I noticed that tbh, before they used to speak more in russian

[latent crescent]

the chicken store is a reference to los pollos hermanos most likely

in LSS

[late prism]

That's true actually didn't think of that

[latent crescent]

420.69696969% sure its a reference to los pollos hermanos

and stolen valor is a reference to 90’s drug busts, but thats really pushing it tbh

[wind gyro]

that actually rounds up to 420.7%

[latent crescent]

it isnt direct references unlike Elephant, where its literally named after the movie Elephant

[empty yoke]

I mean they literally said they dont give a shit but oh well...

[latent crescent]

we do not allow high uncertainties in this household

[wind gyro]

we do allow

[latent crescent]

time for u to wash your mouth with soap

[wind gyro]

i drinked a blue fanta once that tasted like soap

so no im not eating soap

[late prism]

Close enough

[latent crescent]

american soda

[wind gyro]

im not american

[latent crescent]

american hershey’s taste like genuine vomit

[latent crescent]

i know, but europe doesnt have blue fanta. u bought an imported drink

[wind gyro]

no

zabka doesnt have imports 😡

[latent crescent]

shokata does not taste like soap

american confectionary as a whole is fucking disgusting

[late prism]

I've never had american chocolate, never want to.

[latent crescent]

twinkies taste good though

[wind gyro]

um ackhually this is ron discussion

[latent crescent]

this is very important to the lore buddy

[cedar mulch]

I suspect Los Locos work for the Spider Organisation, though they aren't subordinate to them. As for the Russian Mafia, they may well be acting as intermediaries, facilitating the transport of goods.

[covert aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[latent crescent]

we’re predicting how judge actually dies

[covert aurora]

:)

[wind gyro]

judge dies from fanta poisioning

[latent crescent]

death by eating shit chocolate

[rocky plover]

😂😂

[late prism]

Got fired and ate too many chocolates in a state of depression

[latent crescent]

LMFAO

[latent crescent]

tfw u question FISA

[wind gyro]

judge gets degloved

[late prism]

Man FISA really hates it when you don't want to be a terrible human being and not commit human rights violations don't they?

[latent crescent]

yeah, kinda sounds like an organisation thats present irl in america

cant put my finger on it though

[cedar mulch]

FISA is a thoroughly corrupt organisation, but their corruption differs in nature from that of the USIA, which has simply gone mad.

[marsh lark]

Yeah, well something like that is just bad to be shown period

[quasi coral]

Holy what the actual Judge is hard mode

Why are the college students so good at shooting

Holy shit

[latent crescent]

i hate hide and seek hard mode

u genuinely just have to sit in one spot and snipe everyone

[quasi coral]

Was standard not bad enough 😭🙏

[latent crescent]

if u can get one dude with a shield and two others with a m32a1 flash gl u can s rank on hard easy

[quasi coral]

Awesome to hear that I can't police in a police game just because of how genuinely impossible hard mode is

[quasi coral]

I don't go on S rank runs honestly, if I play a mission and just so happened to arrest all of em than that's that

[latent crescent]

u CAN do it normally but cheesing it makes it far more possible

[latent crescent]

in hide n seek the S rank is easier than normal

because they surrender immediately no matter where u are

[quasi coral]

I suppose so, although I like using guns so I guess it'll be my lost

[latent crescent]

yeah thats the annoying part

[quasi coral]

Of course

[dapper granite]

Can someone test something out for me?

Take the F90, put on your nods and try shooting while leaning and tell me if it snaps you back into normal position after every shot

Was happening to me yesterday, asked a friend who uses the F90 a lot about it and he said it never happened to him

[rocky plover]

It happens to me sometimes, irrelevant if using nods or not and irrelevant if using f90 or not as well. It's just something with free lean in general I think.

Did you get around to finishing hide and seek btw? I didn't see you yesterday to help ya if you needed.

[dapper granite]

I tested it out with some other weapons yesterday too and it only happened with the F90, and if I had my nods up it worked fine so idk

[dapper granite]

Also nah not yet, didn't really feel like torturing myself yesterday but maybe we can give it a shot later today

[rocky plover]

that's weird

[rocky plover]

oh thought you did it, judging by your achievements list

[dapper granite]

I got an A rank on it, just wanted to see if I could even do it with lethals at least

Also you can see my achievements?

[rocky plover]

ah ok, I see

[rocky plover]

from steam

[dapper granite]

Oooh I have it linked to my discord

[rocky plover]

ye

[dapper granite]

Figured out a strat where instead of clearing everything outside first I just take out route straight to the warehouse, clear that while my team still has high health and then go back and pray I can clear the rest of the map

That one area on the left side which leads to the warehouse is a nightmare

[pure turtle]

frags work pretty well in the open sections from my experience

[dapper granite]

Idk why but for some reason the chain link fence there counts as a wall I can't shoot through with a beanbag

[rocky plover]

both have pros and cons imo, left ye there's the fence, while right there is the watch tower

[dapper granite]

I don't think I've ever had anyone come up and shoot me from the top of the tower

[rocky plover]

not the top, the window + the 2 possible doors being open

[dapper granite]

If you don't show yourself in the window it's fine and then I just tell my squad to clear the room with a stinger just in case

Worked in the lethal run so far, hoping it'll work with non-lethals too

[latent crescent]

frags?? are we playing the same game?

[rocky plover]

yea true

[pure turtle]

Yes

[latent crescent]

fancy dming me that mod mate

[pure turtle]

Couple mods actually have em, sniper or not reborn and I think gunfighter

Both on nexus, pretty fun when you put in a few mods to enhance your maniacal experience

[rocky plover]

gunfighter has 9-bang, not grenades however afaik

[pure turtle]

Could swear gunfighter had frags?

[rocky plover]

unless it's changed, cause been a while since i used it

[pure turtle]

Didn’t they give you extra grenade options

[dapper granite]

My only experience with frags was in a public lobby where this one guy was commiting war crimes throwing them everywhere

TOC was fuming

[rocky plover]

when i used it, it just added 9-bang as extra apart from slots count

[pure turtle]

If you give a mortar to a monkey you’ll get the same result so that sounds about right

[latent crescent]

it doesnt for me

funny

also the 9-bangers work in vanilla lobbies

[dapper granite]

Frags do too

[pure turtle]

I might’ve misremembered what added it, sorry if it’s wrong

[rocky plover]

cos they are in original game files

[latent crescent]

frag every prick in this game

[pure turtle]

I know for sure sniper or not reborn has it though

[latent crescent]

including civvies

[dapper granite]

That was literally what he did xD

[rocky plover]

😂

[maiden sequoia]

I started my hard playthrough

2 missions in and I'm down 6 officers

[rocky plover]

damn

[maiden sequoia]

I didn't know I'm playing R6 against a enemy team of 13 or more suspects

[jolly verge]

@surreal pelican Torso

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[rocky plover]

@lost inlet Hp is outline of the paper doll he meant other one which is torso

[lost inlet]

could mean that he is damage since steel only reduces damage you taken, not stopping it entirely like ceramic.

[rocky plover]

Correct, unless he was hit on the sides since it's light armor, if so wouldn't make a difference if steel or ceramic

[lost inlet]

@surreal pelican

[surreal pelican]

damn, alright

[jolly verge]

@cedar mulch it's still in the game but a bit buggy as you can see

[bitter mason]

bro got xavier legs

[young wedge]

What was the utility of nerfing gas?

[rocky plover]

🤔 🤷

[finite forge]

For the entirety of this month and last month, I've been getting Teamiilled at Spawn.

Why do people get off to ruining something paid 75 usd for

I already regret my decisions let's not put salt in the wounds

[rocky plover]

Damn you're getting such bad luck at finding the worst lobbies

[surreal pelican]

I think the prophecy of the steel plate is real 🙏

Thank you

[rocky plover]

Glad you like it

[surreal pelican]

I find survivability to be higher and better now

Especially for my AI with the heavy steel

[rocky plover]

Yea the recent buff made it usable and better again

[surreal pelican]

What was the original stats of steel before buff? And when did it happen?

[rocky plover]

And the speed isn't that bad for just front and back

[surreal pelican]

I feel no speed diff for front and back

[rocky plover]

Yeah it's around same as if you would have full coverage (including sides) ceramic

[surreal pelican]

Ye

[rocky plover]

Well apart from 75% Vs 86.5% & the speed difference, there was also a thing called damage cap bug, which made ceramic better before

[surreal pelican]

Honestly the 3 flash bangs per AI isn't that bad at all, just gotta know what to bang

[rocky plover]

Now it's the opposite

[surreal pelican]

Damage cap?

[rocky plover]

Yea you've got 12 not including your own so quite good

[surreal pelican]

Yup, kitted out for survivability, resource and intimidation

Thinking of using my old FISA outfit to go with the steel now too

[rocky plover]

It's a bit hard to explain cos it's a bit in depth, but basically it is as it's called, there's a cap to how much damage you can take in 1 shot and it used to work differently before which made ceramic better before but now it's the opposite

[surreal pelican]

Ohh i see, I was only aware of the damage cap for like, easy mode 😂

[rocky plover]

It was bugged and not working as intended before

[surreal pelican]

I see I see

[jolly verge]

It's still bugged

[surreal pelican]

I guess steel is the way to go now

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

Don't tell me steel is gonna get even better then? 😂

If it's fixed that is

[rocky plover]

Ye unless they change something else in the future lol

[surreal pelican]

What's the red waist thingy saying on my paper doll? I was running steel so idk

[jolly verge]

They rise damage reduction from 70% to 86.5% to compensate the cap damage problem

[rocky plover]

Getting hit to torso

[surreal pelican]

Oh right I forgot steel doesn't protect you 100%.. whoops..

[rocky plover]

You'll see it more often with steel because as the other guy had said, with steel youl still catch the bullet just at a lower damage rate with ceramic it has to fuck up the plate first

[surreal pelican]

I'm running steel from now on, ceramic seems pretty much meh now for me

[rocky plover]

Or it might also be you got shot to the side, which is irrelevant what material you have when using light armor

[surreal pelican]

Yup

Thank you for introducing the steel supremacy, metal

no pun intended

[rocky plover]

Ceramic can be better for short maps with not alot of suspects or for maps that require slightly more acceleration, but personally I'm not arsed to create 10000 loadouts so I just use light armor steel for everything

Hahaha no worries man, Aspid gave some really good info as well regarding the matter.

[surreal pelican]

LOL Same here

I make a one size fits all kind of build for me and my AI teammates

[rocky plover]

Yea same I only use around 4 lethal loadouts (AR for Level 3 and below, SMG, SG, and another AR for Level 4) and 2 less lethal loadouts for myself (excluding the AI loadouts) that's pretty much it.

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[noble pasture]

Steel heavy armor is meta?

[jolly verge]

With armorer and nutritionist yeah

[lost inlet]

light front only steel is goated.

[noble pasture]

What's the A+ ranking combo?

I used to give my guys Rifles and I would rock the Bean Bag shotgun

[jolly verge]

M32A1

[noble pasture]

7.62 AP rounds?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, the 40mm

[noble pasture]

I cant be trusted with 7.62

I once shot a suspect and wallbanged a civie in the bathroom

[lost inlet]

M32A1 uses 7.62 now?

[noble pasture]

I confused the gun

[lost inlet]

just use JHP.

[noble pasture]

Against Left Behind?

[lost inlet]

yeah.

left behind is veteran right?

[noble pasture]

The 1 leg group yes

The amount of legless people in that group is astounding

[jolly verge]

Always JHP unless it's Elephant, Sins of the Father or Leviathan

Except for 5.56 🤮

[noble pasture]

Armor levels 4?

[jolly verge]

Ye

[lost inlet]

you can even use 5.56 JHP cause they only wears lvl2 kevlar.

since they blew all of their budgets on the M249.

[noble pasture]

Doesn't Bean Bag ignore armor?

[lost inlet]

it does.

[jolly verge]

40mm flash ammo also ignores armor

[onyx swift]

exactly

[noble pasture]

So do S rank run or A+ rank run?

[onyx swift]

If you want to

Tbh even on Lethal, I run whatever I feel like running

[noble pasture]

S Rank takes more finese

And Gas has still been nerfed through the ass

[onyx swift]

Most cases are still either:
Suspect doesn’t shoot and surrenders

Suspect shoots and gets shot until staggered or they drop

regardless of weapon and ammo

[noble pasture]

Bring Flashbangs and Bean Bag shotguns for S rank?

[jolly verge]

M32A1

[noble pasture]

I run out too fast

[onyx swift]

The Primary Launchers are the best choice

Take the Flashbang one and stock up on ammo

[noble pasture]

I run out of ammo on primary flash launcher

[jolly verge]

6+11 from heavy vest + 4 with M320 + your team with M32A1 with infinity ammo

[onyx swift]

That’s without missing too?

[noble pasture]

Thats with suspects tanking 3-4 flashbang shots

[onyx swift]

Unlucky then

[jolly verge]

[noble pasture]

I think a veteran lost all hearing before the raid cause the flashbangs did squat to him

Blew a third of my ammo reserve on 1 suspect

[lost inlet]

shoot at their feet.

[noble pasture]

Bean bag shotgun has been my bread

I once sniped a suspect in the chest at 20 meters

[onyx swift]

I felt like it had hitreg issues after LSS, but were likely fixed by now if any changes happened

[jolly verge]

Hitreg issue

[noble pasture]

Are bots not gonna headshot suspects with bean bags?

[jolly verge]

Well unless you on controller with aim assist or in multiplayer it's not a thing

[noble pasture]

So swat bots aim center mass by default?

[jolly verge]

They will, but damage is the same as for any other body part (5)

[onyx swift]

I don’t think I ever saw an SWAT AI teammate kill a Suspect with Beanbag

[noble pasture]

It happened once to me

[onyx swift]

dang

[noble pasture]

They nailed the guy like it was 2003 Fallujah

Brains turned smoothie in the skull

[jolly verge]

Yes, but accuracy cone is big on distance

[noble pasture]

Just to be confirmed, Gas is still ass?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[noble pasture]

And bots cant use Pepper Ball guns all that much?

[jolly verge]

They can

Tho it's bad on hard

[onyx swift]

Yeah, right after the LSS update it felt as if some Beanbag shots would do nothing

I was so skeptical that I tested on Thank You, Come Again, and once at about point-blank range had a Suspect not flinch from 5 shots to his Center of Mass

He aimed at me (but didn’t shoot) and did not flinch, I was baffled after the last Beanbag shot and stood there

Then he flipped me off, and shot me dead

Insanely comedic timing

[noble pasture]

Hard has never been playtested

[jolly verge]

Have a clip of that

[onyx swift]

I did not have my Shadowplay stuff for Nvidia set up at the time

I am aware of how ridiculous it sounds

[noble pasture]

What's the way to get "Too old for this" achievement?

Play with the og bots?

[jolly verge]

Swat ai suck after LSS, they are literally broken, not to mention lower health pool (250 > 200)

[noble pasture]

I mean Practice Mode where you get resets

[jolly verge]

All you need is complete mission with at least B grade to count for hard trophy

[noble pasture]

Lowest you can get while folowing ROE is a C

[noble pasture]

B?!

I will never make it past

[jolly verge]

Yeah, 80% of score minimum

[noble pasture]

So my A+ rank stat should work

[jolly verge]

You always gain at least B if you kill every suspect

[noble pasture]

I bring a less lethal to minimise corpses, my swat brings lethal for self defense

[jolly verge]

Just make sure report and secure everything else

[noble pasture]

You get a C if the VIP dies

[jolly verge]

Incap still a thing

[noble pasture]

5.56 for Hard? I think bots fire 7.62 too slowly

[jolly verge]

.300blk or 7.62x39 JHP

5.56 🤮 and 7.62x51 do not oneshot on hard

[noble pasture]

But are there AP 300 blk?

[jolly verge]

They have the same firerate on any AR

[jolly verge]

Only on Elephant and Sins of the Father

[noble pasture]

But wont JHP get stopped by a wooden door?

[jolly verge]

No, why does it matter?

You want pen wooden doors?

Or higher damage/stagger chance against suspects

[noble pasture]

Suspects hide behind doors a lot

[onyx swift]

Rust Belt is the best example of them being broken

[jolly verge]

I mean just C2 it then

[jolly verge]

Yeah

[onyx swift]

Trying to do the Ironman achievements with them was pain

I almost lost an officer on Hide and Seek too

[jolly verge]

In any case even 10mm JHP pens wooden doors

[onyx swift]

They STOOD IN THE OPEN despite me ordering them to stack up with the rest

3 of them followed while 1 kept getting stuck for some reason

[noble pasture]

So NVG on bots is cosmetic?

I think they dont need light at all

[jolly verge]

Yeap, bots vision based on range and nothing else

[noble pasture]

I just saw an AI thumbnail for RoN where an operator has 2 right hands

[primal gate]

I got 8 maps I gotta complete on Hard

Anyone willing to help?

People who've pulled it off before or have the aim and reaction time of a professional Cod player preferred

[stone bay]

Hi

[primal gate]

Hello

[stone bay]

Sup

[finite forge]

I can try and help

I just started yesterday though so uhh fo you have epic?

[primal gate]

Do you have the reaction time and aim of a professional?

and yes I do have an epic account

[finite forge]

If didnt i wouldn't pay 75 for the game

And great

[primal gate]

Tell me and I'll add you

Just keep in mind that the 8 maps I'm missing are all the hardest maps to comeplete on standard

the ones I dread the most being greased palms and hide and seek

[finite forge]

I Direct messaged you

[finite forge]

Greased palms is just greasy

And hide and seek requires to make killing zones

Let them run to YOU

[primal gate]

I ask for good players mainly because I fuckin suck tbh

While yes, I have the bedazzled rolex, it just means I know how to cheese the game with the AI

[finite forge]

Just copy the ATF and shoot anything remotely relative to a canine

[primal gate]

Lmao

[finite forge]

I have the golden triple golden watch

[primal gate]

the what now

[finite forge]

The ruined Dev watch or thinga ma bob

Anywho are you ready to play?

[primal gate]

almost

[primal gate]

sent you a friend request

[latent crescent]

that dev watch was so annoying to get

[tired jungle]

Triple what

[tired jungle]

Did it first try, L

[latent crescent]

technically i did too

its just tedious

[tired jungle]

Ehhh idk. I think ironman adds enough stakes where it's fun to run once or twice

[latent crescent]

i might run it again

hmmm

[dapper granite]

I DID ITT

S RANK ON HIDE AND SEEK HARD

I'M FINALLY FREE

AND on my first attempt today too

it even finally updated my best time on the map after 2 years xD

[agile crypt]

very dumb question but is 7.62x51 just .308 ingame ?

[rocky plover]

Nice congrats

[dapper granite]

ty ty

[dapper granite]

I think so? I have a feeling it was actually even called that in a prior version

[rocky plover]

Yea

[rocky plover]

Now dlc and lss ones unless you already did those on S Hard 😛

[dapper granite]

3 letter triad

thats gonna be even worse I'm calling it

[agile crypt]

thx

[rocky plover]

Yea that one took me days of retrying haha but then again we didn't have the m32a1 yet when I S ranked it, so now should be easier and the other maps are not that hard

[dapper granite]

also you were right about the movement speed penalty for front/back metal plates being pretty much the same as full ceramic

trying it now in actual levels and it feels fine

but I still think I might prefer ceramic plates overall

[rocky plover]

Yea I mean I took it from the spreadsheet which is actual number stats so wasn't guessing from mid air

[rocky plover]

It's down to personal preference at the end of the day. I used to love ceramic before but now I'm a bit biased with steel since the latest buff lol

[dapper granite]

I feel like ceramic would be better on maps with lots of enemies if you can utilize all your plates correctly

meanwhile with steel they're constantly chipping away at your health anyway

[rocky plover]

Yea but usually you mostly get shot at the front plate, usually you get shot from behind or side if your not careful

[dapper granite]

thats why you turn around xD

force them to shoot at your back

...that sounds weird out of context

[rocky plover]

That's weird though lol, I wanna end the threat not make him shoot me even more or even headshot me lol

[jolly verge]

At this point you can just equip shield on your back

[rocky plover]

Or that yeah lol

[dapper granite]

yeah but then no mirrorgun

[rocky plover]

And while this is true, with perfect rng with bleeds you can keep resetting hp to 50%

[dapper granite]

you can only bleed from limb shots right

[jolly verge]

Any flesh hit you take

Even headshot can cause bleeding

[dapper granite]

so getting hit through the vest doesnt count

[jolly verge]

Nope

So yeah most of the times it's will be bleeding from limbs shot

[rocky plover]

Ngl though I get shot more on limbs than the actual armor most of the time lol

[dapper granite]

actually how much damage per second does bleeding even do

[rocky plover]

3 health afaik

[jolly verge]

3hp/sec

[dapper granite]

I always panic and go behind cover to stop the bleeding as fast as I can even though it's not that big of a deal

the effect just makes me panic ig

[rocky plover]

I mean the sooner the better but don't risk it even more by locking yourself in the animation.

Either end the threat first, or if you are in cover or can make it to cover relatively quickly then yeah stop the bleed.

[dapper granite]

the worst thing about it for me is that I cant see shit when I'm bleeding

like bro your leg is gonna be fine now open your eyes properly

[rocky plover]

Hahaha true

[jolly verge]

You also lose max movement speed while bleeding -75% speed in 4:30 seconds (240 units > 60)

[rocky plover]

In addition to this injured and/or broken legs slow you down too right

[dapper granite]

yeah but just a little

[rocky plover]

If both legs are broken it can be felt quite a bit tbh

[jolly verge]

2.5% per hit on one of your leg up to 10%

[jolly verge]

Hits on both legs do not stack

[rocky plover]

So like if 1 leg Is broken it's at max speed reduction already?

Aka 10%?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[rocky plover]

Ah ok I see

[jolly verge]

If one leg takes 3 hits and another leg 1 hit your penalty will be 7.5% not 10%

[rocky plover]

I got it kinda confused cos with gunfighter it's a bit different I think

[jolly verge]

GF has increased penalty

Same with arm injury

[rocky plover]

Forgot exact values but basically uninjured = faster but when injured it's slower

Yea

[jolly verge]

GF base speed is 4.7% higher than vanilla (240 vs 251 units) but movement speed penalty per leg hit is 6% up to 24% which is a lot imo

[rocky plover]

Yea that's what I meant just didn't know the exact value

Yeah you essentially become a turtle with injured leg + gunfighter lol

[jolly verge]

Just use W+D or W+A, walk at 45 angle and you wont have any penalty

[rocky plover]

Or that yeah haha

[spiral pawn]

Does anyone want to chill and play the game with me and my bf

[tame valve]

will they update this month

[covert aurora]

unknown at this time, hopefully soon

[quasi coral]

I wish the game was optimized enough for me to not have to run Fidelity SR

[tame valve]

nothing ever happens

[quasi coral]

It sure boost my FPS by tons but the sights are all super thick

[quasi coral]

5 months sure seems like a lot

But trust me gng it'll fly by

[main hamlet]

[languid dagger]

Are shotguns terrible on elephant?

Feels useless

I use slug

[lost inlet]

Use buckshot.

Slug on elephant is a terrible combo lmao.

[civic fiber]

WHY DO THEY HAVE THE FIRE RATE OF A MACHINE GUN ON TWISTED NERVE

AND WHY DO THEY DO SO MUCH DAMAGE 😡

[surreal pelican]

Can agree

[quasi coral]

I was lying, I can't hold it anymore

[surreal pelican]

Stupid question lads, but the AI can detect hidden suspects better with mirrorgun right? Coz usually I ask em to PIE if it's available. If not, mirrorgun

[quasi coral]

I've been replaying RoN over and over

[surreal pelican]

Same, RoN has a fuckton of replayability imho coz you discover new routes that at first doesn't make sense but once redone over, then you'll perfect it. Example is 3LT and Narcos

[quasi coral]

To my knowledge yea, they a full 180 view, whilst the pie gives somewhere around 90+(This is probably wrong, don't take my word for it)

[quasi coral]

EXACTLY

[surreal pelican]

Think youre right, coz one time I asked Prescott to PIE, mf said "clear no suspects" only for one hiding suspect to full auto on me

[quasi coral]

I'd love to play Relapse from the main entry later

[surreal pelican]

You'll find it more manageable imho especially at bridge part but be careful for the staircase entry on Level 2 if you're taking the door that leads to the two seperate hallways. I never took the first staircase door that appears on adjacent to locker room door, idk if that leads straight to 2 or 3

[quasi coral]

I think it leads to the 2nd

[surreal pelican]

Ok then good, you can try that too coz from experience the staircase door that I've been taking at main entrance (like near morgue area, dark area with red lights) it's unpredictable ambushed from both sides. Only reason I take it is coz that door isn't wedgeable

Now that you mentioned it, imma try relapse too later

[quasi coral]

Same here, often times it's clear so I should be fine

[dire horizon]

The suspects in elephant have the strongest armour available, aim for the limbs

[languid dagger]

I'm aware

[dire horizon]

[haughty pelican]

hey guys i bought both dlcs and am just wondering whats the best course for s tiering leviathan? so far im pretty good on my s runs when i run full non lethal and have my support officers as negotiators and pacifiers but the hostages on some missions have costed me a few times

whats the best course of action you guys took

[oblique nimbus]

y do they use epic services for p2p connection

when crossplay is turned off

genuinely unplayable until epic gets their shit together 🥲

this issue has apparently persisted for 5 months, and yet hasn't been looked into by void as far as i can tell

[oblique nimbus]

i retract my statement, why is this issue only me but not my friend when he hosts

genuinely makes no sense and is impossible to trouble shoot

[cedar mulch]

It would be preferable for them to reinstate the task types rather than remove them.

[surreal pelican]

Ok the first staircase that you encounter adjacent to the locker room door doesn't lead to anywhere lmao, it's blocked off. Clearing from Main Entrance also seems to bring order to chaos more faster too once I reach the adjacent second floor building via walkway

[surreal pelican]

I agree

[cedar mulch]

Evidently, VOID is unwilling to make ad hoc alterations to the story's backdrop or the AI's various configurations and equipment

and map variants

[terse quail]

i love how spraying someone without armor with 5.7x28 does absolutely nothing

[jolly verge]

Skill issue or shooting limbs with AP ammo

[terse quail]

upper right thigh to shoulder through chest

~5m away

shit is hitscan anyways

[torpid onyx]

limb shots with AP only deal like 30% damage so like 21 damage per shot aka like 8 shots to incap asuming you were using AP and hitting limbs

Ap body shots should do 70 and JHP limb/body shots should deal 80 on unarmoured
(which is a 2/3 shot)

[terse quail]

yeah the jhp vs ap damage calc is ridiculous

300blk jhp does more damage than 7.62

[jolly verge]

[inland wolf]

does M32 count as a weapon? for the sake of achievements

[stoic river]

Omg greased palms is actually so fkn difficult

Im playing hard mode and rn im js trynna pass all the missions when i go for s rank on all of then imma feel like death 😭

[surreal pelican]

I guess, what achievement you trying to get?

[surreal pelican]

Clear the outer offices first then wedge all the doors leading to warehouse before clearing the loading yard. After that, breach warehouse via there. Goodluck officer

[inland wolf]

Tactician

itll be easy i just need to meet criteria

[surreal pelican]

My team AI and myself all have flash M32s, they have heavy steel while I have light steel. Traits was 2x Pacifier, 1x Negotiator, 1x Armourer

[surreal pelican]

I think so, as long as you let your AI do all the work and you just trail em behind without firing anything or lockpicking doors or maybe arrests then you're good

[stoic river]

Ik first i quickly clear entrance then leave then go to the small building on the right then through shipping containers into the main area

[inland wolf]

i play as a duo, no ai

[surreal pelican]

I can suggest maybe bringing some flashbangs to try and cover the entire conveyor belt area, just pop them over while AI breaches

[stoic river]

Ok thats smart tbf

Thanks for the advice

[surreal pelican]

Whoops sorry, thought you were referring to by the book

Yea the M32 launcher is a weapon

[surreal pelican]

No prob, also good to use 1 nade at the loading bay area with the weapons cache. Just chuck one over the truck to try and stun some of the Los Locos there if they're there (weapon cache van area which has the two entry points for warehouse entry)

[maiden sequoia]

Before wedging the warehouse i suggest checked if someone's behind the door to see if you can get surrenders and make them waddle out

[inland wolf]

it appears to count

[odd coral]

when are they adding a aa12 with a switch into the game

[inland wolf]

[maiden sequoia]

2-4 less suspects is a life changer in the warehouse

[surreal pelican]

I just did tactician and by the book all together lel

[surreal pelican]

And that too yea

[maiden sequoia]

I also started my hard mode run...

I'm 2 missions in

6 dead 3 incapacitated

[surreal pelican]

Goodluck officer

[maiden sequoia]

Also I got a B with all officers down on 23mbs?

[surreal pelican]

Just give everyone and yourself the flash M32 with heavy armour for easier life lel, I cleared hard on lethal first to get a feel for hard diff before going S rank on hard

[surreal pelican]

Lower suspect count = Higher grading even tho you all officers dead and such

[maiden sequoia]

So less dead?

What about incapacitations

[surreal pelican]

Like, tldr

If there's less suspect counts for that map and all are incapacited/dead, you'll still get a higher grading even with dead officers

Higher the suspect count, then more you need to take in alive to get a overall higher score

[surreal pelican]

They give same +5 points too

[maiden sequoia]

Oh aight

Also, do Incapacitated suspects/civis not void the main objectives?

[jolly verge]

HVT nope

You can incap them

[inland wolf]

incap is okay but it wont get you S rank

[maiden sequoia]

I'm not worried about S, just if my objective gets voided

I'm not crazy enough to do S hard mode

[surreal pelican]

Incapped HVTs like Jack Adams or Micheal won't void objective

Just don't aim for their vital areas and don't spray em too much with lead

[maiden sequoia]

Cool. Imma do some experimenting

[inland wolf]

i just finished tactician and it wont give me it

[maiden sequoia]

Always the balls. Gets me 90% of the time incaps

[surreal pelican]

[maiden sequoia]

Other will say otherwise but you can't pick/open or kick doors

It's how I got mine

[surreal pelican]

Tis

[maiden sequoia]

Same with all the other ones that require specific equipment

[inland wolf]

wtf

[maiden sequoia]

Ik ik

[surreal pelican]

It's just like way out west/beat cop, don't do anything at all lol aside from what the ach desc says

[maiden sequoia]

Same with hanged man

[surreal pelican]

Even opening tablet voids it (deadass)

[maiden sequoia]

No way

[surreal pelican]

Tested this on narcos beat cop

[jolly verge]

False

[rocky plover]

Order the AI to the everything pretty much for those type of achievements they can use any gun as well, just yourself need to obey the achievements description on equipment

[surreal pelican]

Haw? When I was doing beat cop I didn't get the ach as soon as I opened my tablet

[quasi coral]

I never did main entrance because I assumed it'll take too long from there

[surreal pelican]

Main entrance is safest imho, be prepared when you ascend to level 2 and watch for that bald mf Quadamah

[jolly verge]

How do you know exactly it's was tablet exactly and not any other thing you did before?

[surreal pelican]

I spent like 2-3 attempts 😭

[jolly verge]

Well you used something else apart from tablet, it's does not invalidate achievements

[surreal pelican]

Even I removed my NVGs, so I just went in bare with a pistol while my AI did everything else

[jolly verge]

NVG is fine too

[inland wolf]

im carrying a single Five Seven mag

i didnt pull it out even once

[surreal pelican]

Shit, maybe i threw a flashbang or something

[surreal pelican]

[maiden sequoia]

And not forget to do what the achievement wants you to do once at least of each

[inland wolf]

ive done hanged man and those types of achievements

i just havent done the new ones, seems like their method of checking criteria is still dogshit

[jolly verge]

No need to except for way out west where you have to shoot from magnum even if it's empty

[maiden sequoia]

Toxic fumes as well

I spent a entire day trying for that one

[jolly verge]

Nah

[maiden sequoia]

Brother my 6h will not be in vain

Also, should I give my AI 765 weapons? I'm assuming the recoil doesn't bother them

[surreal pelican]

Fuck it we ball

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission and if you on standart or hard

[maiden sequoia]

Hard

[jolly verge]

It's useless on hard

.300blk or 7.62x39 with JHP ammo instead

[maiden sequoia]

Since they did the stupid and stood in a door way and dropped in half a second

[surreal pelican]

Thank you for showing me the power of 300 Blk 🙏

Is there any other tasty weapons you'd recommend aside from the ARN?

[jolly verge]

Shotguns with buckshot

Without choke

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh the game doesn't really do justice for "damage" description

[maiden sequoia]

[inland wolf]

this game does achievements so shittily

[surreal pelican]

Stupid question, the shotgun ammo slot represents the total ammo in a fully loaded shotgun tube right? Like example I bring 4 slots of shotgun ammo and my shotgun can hold 9 total in tube

[rocky plover]

LVAR isn't bad, at least better than ddm4pdw but arn180 is still the best among the .300 blackout, as for 7.62x51 best 2 are ga51 and g3a3 tbh

[marsh lark]

It is made to be a challenge, not something you fly through on a normal playthrough

[jolly verge]

1 slot = 8 shells even if you have 7 or 9 max shells tube in shotgun (except for mag fed one)

[inland wolf]

No like the criteria checking

The descriptions are also vague and definitely dont paint the full picture

[surreal pelican]

That's the integrated suppressed one right?

[inland wolf]

They're easy as hell to actually do on paper

[rocky plover]

Yea

[surreal pelican]

So gotta bring extra additional slot if I want to have 9 shells then for my shotgun with 9 tube capacity

[surreal pelican]

I love the look and sound of the ARN

[jolly verge]

If you bring only 1 slot instead of 2 - yeah

[lost inlet]

has the LVAR got fixed to be an silenced weapon yet or just sounds silenced but actually still loud according to game.

[rocky plover]

I knew this but I'm not sure if this applies to the beanbag aswell? does it?

Since that thing has 7 shot capacity

[rocky plover]

Yeah it roars!

[surreal pelican]

My usual is 4 slots so that means 32 shells and my shotgun can hold 9, so by logic I'm short of 1 shell right? For the tube

[rocky plover]

Ye still "loud" for the stress thing sadly

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh but they do say "complete with ONLY" then again I wouldn't expect opening doors myself would be a void for it

[lost inlet]

[jolly verge]

Yeah, you will have 7 shells in tube and 1 in pocket with 1 slot ammo

[maiden sequoia]

Oh so that's why they where more active while I used the LVAR

[jolly verge]

No, why would it be fixed along with MP5SD?

[surreal pelican]

Poor hand member got throat artery in relapse, dude didn't stand a chance to the ARN

[rocky plover]

Oh good to know, I might start taking 4 beanbag slots then instead of 5

[surreal pelican]

Like:

First three loaded tubes are 9 shells, but then the last tube with my last ammo slot I'll only have 8 right?

(since I bring 4 shotgun ammo slots)

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[rocky plover]

Ye maybe but other factors might contribute to that

[maiden sequoia]

No I was not loud

[surreal pelican]

And that stupid "vigilante" NPC woman too, everything was going so well until she shot me in the throat at the adjacent building

[jolly verge]

5*

[surreal pelican]

I'll only have 5 remaining for last tube?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[surreal pelican]

Damn.. I guess that's where my backup secondary 2 mags come in then with my USP

[rocky plover]

8×4=32÷9=3. Extra
So 9x3=27
32-27=5