👮ron-discussion

[rocky plover]

hhahaha

[floral peak]

In this economy? 🤑

[rocky plover]

word!

[floral peak]

Imma just take the flash bang with me

[rocky plover]

ahhaha

[dapper granite]

hey the lspd is already defunded they'll take what they can get xD

[floral peak]

Make sure to take frags as well

[rocky plover]

from evidence straight to the armory lol

[floral peak]

For Voll special

[dapper granite]

thats how the mark v was born

[rocky plover]

🤣

[floral peak]

Mark V is fun

Just one tap everything

[primal gate]

Do you guys have any strategies for big shell specialist? or is it just pure rng?

[floral peak]

Anywhere

[rocky plover]

love using it with shield

especially on heavy armored suspects when no other pistol would work as efficiently

[floral peak]

RNG plays big part

[jolly verge]

Spawn on helipad till you see two suspects on the left and right under platform

[primal gate]

also, judging from your name, you have experience with the hard difficulty, any tips? because frankly I've tried a few maps and it feels like playing against cheaters

[floral peak]

Gn chat, gtg

[primal gate]

gn

[rocky plover]

cya tc

[floral peak]

Greased palms and 3 letter?

I had old maps drawn with routes

Maybe I’ll find em tomorrow

[dapper granite]

get's asked for advice
instantly dips
xD

[primal gate]

Any really, I've struggled on all but I'm trying to go for the achievement

[jolly verge]

M32A1

[rocky plover]

Well might sound obvious but take it slower and plan accordingly

avoid taking unneccesary risks

[floral peak]

Play it slow, if you wanna go for S rank (god bless you), m32a1 is your new best friend

Might wanna run door wedges

They offer great crowd control

[primal gate]

I've found that using the M32 is actually easier than going lethal in many cases

[floral peak]

Use shield for more survivability

Alr, now gn

[rocky plover]

ye it's instantanous and doesnt require precise aim, still need to arrest them however which wastes time

[storm crest]

that's a launcher, right?

[rocky plover]

or just kill them with the sidearm ig XD

[rocky plover]

ye primary slot

[storm crest]

yikes
too bad i dont have access

[floral peak]

Pro tip: when multiple suspects surrender, disarm them with arrest cancel

So they don’t pull up on you

It’s fast to do

[rocky plover]

ye^ pretty op

[primal gate]

Idk if I can do that on console

[storm crest]

Can't they still grab a gun off of the ground?

[floral peak]

Start arresting and start moving backwards

[rocky plover]

not if you arrest cancel animation

[primal gate]

ah

[storm crest]

Noted

[dapper granite]

is the launcher actually locked for people who bought the game after the console release?

I heard thats a thing

[floral peak]

For basic edition on consoles locked as I know

[rocky plover]

if they just surrender normally and you leave them like that, then ye they can get back up espcially if you turn your back to them but if you arrest cancel they never get back up

[dapper granite]

thats so stupid

[rocky plover]

until it gets patched, if it does...

[storm crest]

Yes

[floral peak]

They said that they’ll get em in future

…if future actually comes

[dapper granite]

void have always given the weapons for free, even if they were coming as a part of the dlc update

[rocky plover]

yea they said they give it to them when next update releases or smth like that

[storm crest]

We don't even have the MK-V, sadly

[dapper granite]

WHAT

void wth

[storm crest]

Closest you'll get is the revolver

[jolly verge]

Not anywhere close to MK-V

[storm crest]

Exactly

[rocky plover]

so not even the 590M?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[storm crest]

I'll have to check

[rocky plover]

damn

[storm crest]

If it's stronger than average, most likely not

[rocky plover]

it's in shotguns

well its pump action but makes up for it for being mag-fed shotgun

[storm crest]

Nope, don't have it

[rocky plover]

damn

[storm crest]

Most of the good guns and equipment were locked behind a huge paywall

[dapper granite]

I mean the 590M is kinda broken but I just dont like how it looks so I stick with the tube fed ones

[rocky plover]

so they only gave you the TRPL from the 4 latest weapons that got released

and put the other 3 behind deluxe edition

[storm crest]

I guess so, yeah

[rocky plover]

or wait for future

damn, bugger

[rocky plover]

my new fav sg, ngl, but ye looks a bit weird

[dapper granite]

would be cool if we got a mag fed semi auto shotgun

like the saiga

[jolly verge]

We have

Just need to unlock it, save in preset then you can remove the mod and play as usual with everyone

[rocky plover]

that would be too op and have all the other ones be kinda redundant XD

[dapper granite]

yeah but we already have a bunch of guns that are straight up inferior to others

[rocky plover]

true, you win me there

[rocky plover]

or like the spas where it can be both pump and semi auto (basically 2 in 1)

[storm crest]

I hope Void ads more cosmetics in the future
Like hats to replace the headphones when you don't wear a helmet

Wearing a cowboy hat and using a revolver sounds cool imo

[rocky plover]

you can remove the headphones too

[storm crest]

I know

I just wish there were more options than just headphones or nothing

[tribal tide]

I Wanna ask

Whats are the loadouts you guys think are good and what deployables you guys use also

[rocky plover]

Ah I see

[primal gate]

Stuck on big shell specialist, is there a way to bait out these assholes?

I can always get one but then no more

[dapper granite]

ooooh I have A LOT of loadouts, like 16

[rocky plover]

Well having multiple loadouts is ideal according to different maps, but id say for 1 versatile loadout is arn180 with JHP, light armor, steel plates, front + back coverage, currently I would use flashbangs cos gas is crap, taser is nice to have, personally I like breach shotgun but personal preference, helmet with gpnvgs, anti flash goggles + ballistic mask

[jolly verge]

ARN-180 with JHP ammo.
Heavy vest with full coverage ceramic and ballistic mask (Steel if you in commander mode with armorer trait).
Deployables either flashbang or stinger just don't use gas.

[dapper granite]

I feel like all the .300 blackout guns kickback too much

at least compared to 5.56 guns

[rocky plover]

They do but arn 180 with sfmb + vert grip becomes very stable

[dapper granite]

your screen still shakes a lot doesnt it?

[rocky plover]

Not really

[rocky plover]

It does with ddm4pdw though

[thick dome]

the g36 has the lowest recoil of all guns. MCX is 2nd, and ARN180 is about the same as mcx. use vertical grip and supressor.

[rocky plover]

MCX is not 2nd

[dapper granite]

yeah that thing is useless imo xD

[rocky plover]

But it's low recoil ye

Suppressor sucks

[jolly verge]

MCX=ARN recoil wise

[rocky plover]

For ar's imo

[thick dome]

full auto blasting is detrimental. this isn't a traditional shooter. either shoot semi auto, or double taps auto.

[thick dome]

yeah. mcx has a tad more horizontal. but they are very similar

[jolly verge]

There is no horizontal recoil on rifles

They both literally have the same recoil stats

The difference is the name and caliber

[tribal tide]

HOLY SHIT I DIDNT EXPECT SO MANY PEOPLE GIVE THEIR LOADOUTS I WAS EXPECTING LIKE 6-12 PEOPLE 😭 🙏

[thick dome]

go shoot the g36 against a wall. the do the same with various guns. yes there is horizontal. the g36 is pure vertices. all others have some degree of horizontal sway in the pattern.

why they made the g36 like that..I dunno. maybe cause it has lower rate of fire.

[rocky plover]

g36C, sr16, f90, arn180, MCX in that order recoil wise

[rocky plover]

Ye probably since it's the lowest fire rate from the 5.56

[jolly verge]

All rifles have zero base horizontal recoil, you confusing it with angle recoil

[thick dome]

mm..yeah could be. I dont ise the sr16 or f90. I just flip n flop back n forth bt g36, mcx, arn and ga51

[rocky plover]

The only thing annoying with MCX is the 1st shot bounce other than that very controllable rifle

[thick dome]

go shoot the rifles against a wall ads from about 10 feet full auto and just let it ride. you will see some varying degrees of horizontal except on the g36

[rocky plover]

But semi auto is a bit weird on it

[thick dome]

yeah I never really use semi auto. I can single or double or triple full auto. so I really like the 750 rpm for quick doubles

[dapper granite]

I feel like rifles have horizontal recoil too, I remember testing out the grips on them and felt like the horizontal recoil was the only thing I couldn't control on them, which is why I use the combat grips for most of them

[thick dome]

very little spacing between shots at close range

[rocky plover]

Yea I like doing controllable burst in full auto

Like 2-3 shots in full auto

[jolly verge]

I already did it, around hundred times. G36C have same angle recoil like some other AR

Only GA51 and G3 do not have it in ADS

Even with arm injury debuff

[rocky plover]

Prefer vertical grips on AR's, even on some SMG's, but for most SMG's then ye combat grip

[dapper granite]

I only use vertical grips for battlerifles myself. I felt like the 5.56 rifles have a managable vertical recoil so I dont need it

first time hearing that they apparently dont have horizontal recoil which I swear I could feel

[thick dome]

and for some reason, some rifles have a cap to their recoil. if you take g36 or ar180 and go full auto they will stop climbing about halfway through the mag.

ga416 will climb to the ceiling. and several others seem to have no cap eithet

[rocky plover]

I put the th grip on the battle rifles xD even though it's exact same as vert grip

[dapper granite]

yeah I've noticed that

[jolly verge]

Combat and angled grips do nothing on rifles but it's looks cool tho

[dapper granite]

angled grips I'm assuming beceaue they're bugged

combat grips really should work though I swear I tested this

[jolly verge]

They are not bugged

[dapper granite]

am I actually crazy?

[rocky plover]

They fixed that back since they don't correct vertical recoil it's kinda useless on rifles

[jolly verge]

They fixed ADS speed after 20+ months, recoil stat working just fine

[thick dome]

the horizontal recoil on rifles is quite low, so an attachment for horizontal isnt very useful.

[rocky plover]

Yea true it's like a curve instead of a straight line if you would put it on a graph

[jolly verge]

There is no horizontal recoil on rifles for grips to work with

It's literally zero on every single rifle in game and some smgs

You can test it by editing combat grip so it's actually increase horizontal recoil and it will work only on smgs since they do have actual hor recoil

Angle recoil, is what you actually talking about, cannot be reduced via attachments

Only by ADSing

[thick dome]

there is a non zero horizontal component. you go full auto in ads on a wall you will see the bullet pattern on most rifles exhibits some horizontal sway back and forth.

the pattern is a wavy line vertically stringing ..on most rifles

[jolly verge]

Yeah that angle recoil, not horizontal https://youtu.be/nyq0X6DqaBM?si=kSCtzhTFvAhl8DAu

Vertical/horizontal recoil moves your camera, angle recoil - your gun

[rocky plover]

Also why ceramic and not steel? Cos of heavy with full coverage? So you won't be slow?

[thick dome]

recoil is in 2 planes. x and y. they are vectors. angle recoil is a meaningless term as angle is the magnitude on both planes together. i.e. a vector. 89 vert and 1 horizontal is still an angle. 45 angle would be equal parts x and y

[jolly verge]

Good for a new player, so he can accelerate fast

[thick dome]

if its a small mission, I tend to ceramic. if its a big mission, i.e. likely to take more hits, steel

[rocky plover]

Ah ok I see, cos I prefer steel nowadays over ceramic still pretty fast but I use light with front and back coverage

[dapper granite]

"new player" I'm over here with 600 hours and still using ceramic 😭

[rocky plover]

Sometimes just front coverage only

[thick dome]

elephant for example..ir lethal obsession. only has like 3 or 4 suspects. vs some 15+ suspect mission

[rocky plover]

Yea acceleration now is very close though with steel and ceramic unless you take side plates as well then it starts making a difference in acceleration

[jolly verge]

Gun in the vid have zero vertical and horizontal recoil (camera does not move), I did not change only angle and build up recoil

[rocky plover]

Cos it becomes 4 plates instead of 2

[thick dome]

with so few suspects im not gonna get flanked...or get a room eoth 4 or 5 in it. and I'll prob flash bang or c2 alot. so just don't get shot much.

big maps, can get flanked more..or just end up taking a bit more beating cause the # or sus..or can flash 50 rooms

[rocky plover]

Hey if it works it works!

[dapper granite]

I just like that I can tank shots without actually taking damage to the chest and back

[rocky plover]

Yea that's an upside

[jolly verge]

Me too, but only if I'm not playing Commander mode

[thick dome]

look man. go load up a shooting range mod map. stand about 10 ft from a wall. ads and let a full mag go and don't move the mouse. screen shot the bullet impact string on yje wall. repeat for any guns you want. you will see the recoil pattern clearly laid out.

you are going to find the g36 has stupidly low recoil and it stops climbing at all after about 10 shots and just hovers. arn180 has more recoil bitnit also stops.

ga416 has alotnof recoil and does not stop.

ga51 has surprisingly low recoil for 308, but has noticeably more screen shake.

all other guns, except maybe the sr16 have have worse performance than those in each caliber..rifles that is. dunno bout smgs as I don't use them.

[dapper granite]

and when you're getting shot at you can turn around so they shoot the full health plate instead

[thick dome]

and yes the mcx and ar180 are functionally equal in recoil

which is why I like tjem. I can swap back n forth between caliber and have same fire rate and basically same recoil. ga51 is just for the lols and its fun

[rocky plover]

Yea in your case, I won't do that cos I run steel front only sometimes 🤣🤣 so obvious why I won't turn lmao

[dapper granite]

been playing ron for 5 hours straight now, still havent S ranked hide and seek on hard

I'm going insane chat please send help

[jolly verge]

Im just explaining you the difference between horizontal and angle recoil in game and that grips do not work on rifles because they do not have horizontal recoil value in weapon blueprint, the only grips affecting them is vertical and th, that it

[stone bay]

You need better cheats than the bots (? kinda but not jk really

[dapper granite]

I wanna earn this one legit for bragging rights xD

[rocky plover]

Just switched my pc off and I'm now on phone, wanna try it tomorrow?

[stone bay]

You're too old for this (ba dum tss)

[dapper granite]

ahaaaha because of the achievement name

I get it

[thick dome]

ive A+ hide n seek. got 0 interest in s rank. s rank stuff is silly and completely unrealistic.

[dapper granite]

sure maybe we could get some more people to join too

or if you have anyone already that could help

[rocky plover]

Realism wise true agree

[stone bay]

You guys NA based?

[rocky plover]

I'm Eu

[dapper granite]

same, EU

[stone bay]

Ahhh, impossible for me then. (although installing the game would have to be done as well since...well)

[rocky plover]

Why time wise or ping wise?

[dapper granite]

yeah I used to play with a friend from the US I had perma 300 ping

[stone bay]

Ping wise. SA here

[rocky plover]

Yeah for me it's the ping as well

100 is ok, 200 is bearable, 300 starts to get on my nerves

[dapper granite]

I remember I was doing the hanged man achievement with him and I practically COULDN'T use tasers because the desync was so bad

[stone bay]

With the bots reaction time of 50 ms, anything over 150 ping is just a death sentence

[dapper granite]

legit the suspect could be standing still, I'd try to taze him and nothing would happen

[rocky plover]

Yeah or hostage rescues, the suspect is like 20m away from the actual hostage 🤣

[dapper granite]

it was THAT bad

[rocky plover]

Yea tasers were so bad in MP

Not just due to high ping

They were syncing well with host

[dapper granite]

he said he wasnt having any trouble using tasers tho

yeah

[rocky plover]

Yeah it worked fine for the host

[dapper granite]

so I assumed it was because of the ping

[rocky plover]

Not for clients however

It was fixed though a while back

[dapper granite]

thank god

[rocky plover]

Now you just see a big delay with high ping

But it should still work

[dapper granite]

so I'm trying out the steel plates rn and comparing them to the ceramic ones

took off the side plates for the steel one and I still feel like it's too slow xD

[rocky plover]

Technically should live longer with steel but if you get hit a lot on arms and legs might live longer with ceramic

Front and back steel?

[dapper granite]

front and back for steel, full for ceramic

[rocky plover]

Shouldn't be a big difference, 0.58 full ceramic Vs 0.7 iirc for front and back steel

[dapper granite]

with ceramic I feel like theres a lot more freedom while even with just the 2 steel plates I feel like I come to a complete halt for a sec when changing directions

[rocky plover]

Yea slightly yes

The big difference is when it's 4 ceramic plates Vs 4 steel plates however

[dapper granite]

oh yeah

I tried going in a circle and I cant even move 😭

judge gotta work out more

[rocky plover]

Yea literally a turtle moment

With full steel

That's why I use light with front and back

• I like the 2 extra slots

Light with front and back ceramic is also good though

[dapper granite]

whats the move speed penalty for just front plate with steel

[jolly verge]

3*

[rocky plover]

Very very close to front + back ceramic

[jolly verge]

#👮ron-discussion message

[dapper granite]

so heavy armor doesnt actually provide any more protection than light right

actually no it gives you the side plates regardless just fills them with kevlar

[rocky plover]

Yea sides

[jolly verge]

It's does have side plates

[rocky plover]

So if your going with front and back on heavy might aswell go with light then if your not gonna use the sides

Granted Kevlar is better than nothing but still, Kevlar barely does anything

[jolly verge]

There is no point to use front/back for ceramic with heavy vest

[rocky plover]

Ye that's why

[dapper granite]

kevlar still gives you 50% damage reduction

[jolly verge]

It's kinda not

[dapper granite]

unless its bugged

[jolly verge]

Because of damage cap bug

[dapper granite]

yep... I figured

[rocky plover]

Ye still die In very few shots, same as in if you have no armor all together

[latent crescent]

realistic ig

[rocky plover]

Yea ig, don't wanna test it 🤣

[jolly verge]

Not good even against 9mm

[dapper granite]

holy shit ron can you just make sense

please

[latent crescent]

no

[jolly verge]

First time when they broke damage cap. It's was possible to tank 13 shots 7.62x51 on each side so 39 shots in total

[dapper granite]

they should make stats like this actually available in game

[latent crescent]

that wouldnt be fun tho

[dapper granite]

not just a vague description

[rocky plover]

Would become too much of a numbers game then

[latent crescent]

i dont want data spoonfed to me, i want mfs to start digging

[rocky plover]

And meta would become worse xD

Than it already is

[dapper granite]

you dont have to play the meta if you dont want to

just play what you like

but at least dont make it confusing

[latent crescent]

its not even that bad every weapon combo works

[rocky plover]

True I think some small values for like weapons is okay

[dapper granite]

which weapon attachments do what precisely

[rocky plover]

But not for everything or it would be too much

Yea like values for the attachments would be nice or a % instead of just a description

[latent crescent]

this (they do nothing of high value they’re just cosmetic)

[jolly verge]

This. We don't need numbers in game imo

[rocky plover]

Like for just the attachments it's ok, but for everything else it would become too much

[dapper granite]

like I used to play with the ASR brake because I thought "well if this one only reduces recoil and the SFMB one also reduces muzzle flash, that probably means the ASR brake reduces recoil further but sacrifices visibility"

[latent crescent]

u can predict which guns would perform the best

[dapper granite]

and of course it doesnt so theres literally no reason to even use the ASR brake

[jolly verge]

Yeah, attachments stats is fine, tho they need rebalance them, like what the point of ASR as example?

[rocky plover]

Yeah I used to think that as well haha (for balance reasons) turns out the asr is totally useless lmao

[latent crescent]

for fun

looks cool ig

we need flash hiders in the game

[dapper granite]

you cant even see it 😭

[latent crescent]

would be very useful at night

[latent crescent]

💀💀

[dapper granite]

tracer bullets tho?

[rocky plover]

The only difference I can see is how the smoke disperses with sfmb Vs asr

Literally that's it

Apart from sfmb being better for recoil reduction ofc

[dapper granite]

I used to think one of them had the smoke escape from the sides instead of going straight up so it doesnt obscure your vision that much

[rocky plover]

Yea it is kinda like that

1 goes to sides then up, while other goes straight up

But even suppressors suffer a bit from the smoke, just way less from muzzle flash then

[dapper granite]

uhh technically the sfmb brake makes your gun longer by like, half an inch so, asr brake better for close range (it's just visual and doesnt actually make the gun longer)

[jolly verge]

They do make your gun longer

[rocky plover]

Ye but I think he meant between asr and sfmb

[dapper granite]

yeah that

[rocky plover]

Which stat wise they are same length addition

[dapper granite]

asr brake is just a tad bit shorter on the model but doesnt do anything different

[rocky plover]

Exactly

[dapper granite]

I actually hate using suppressors for this exact reason

[rocky plover]

Same

Worst for recoil reduction (for AR's)
Worst for weapon length

[dapper granite]

I used to run them on smgs since thats the only muzzle option for most of them and then I realized I could just use a rifle without one for relatively the same length but higher caliber

[rocky plover]

Yea I do use them on SMG's since it's the only option

[dapper granite]

also the noise reduction doesnt actually do much either suspects can still hear you shooting from pretty far away

[rocky plover]

Harvester mostly

[marsh lark]

It is not really about the range that much, but more about the stress.

[jolly verge]

It's does not reduce hearing range yeah

[rocky plover]

Ye true

[marsh lark]

Pretty sure it does, it is just almost negligible

[jolly verge]

Only halves stress gain by 50%

[dapper granite]

war is supposed to be loud they better deal with it

[jolly verge]

Nope, it's always 20m regardless

[rocky plover]

Which then again doesn't matter too much unless you mag dump every suspect you see lol

And it's funny how lvar and mp5sd doesn't count for being silenced

Towards the stress thing

[jolly verge]

[dapper granite]

HE SAID SILENCED ALERT HE SAID THE WRONG TERM EXTERMINATE HIM NOW

[rocky plover]

Well originally is was called a silencer 🤣

So it's interchangeable

It's funny though a suppressor is still very loud

[dapper granite]

uhh actually, the point of the device is not to make the shot quieter, it's to hide the muzzle flash which is why it should be called a suppressor not a silencer 🤓 ☝️

[rocky plover]

Yeah cos they are still loud with it

[dapper granite]

only guns that are actually kinda quiet with it on are 9mm and .45 acp caliber weapons

[rocky plover]

Very modern flash hiders can actually do the same thing nowadays tho

And .300 or any other subsonic ammo for that matter

[thick dome]

unless you have subsonic 9mm or 300bo...then it IS quiet..irl anyway

[rocky plover]

Yea

[dapper granite]

I still like my guns loud anyway

[thick dome]

oh ga51 no doubt

[rocky plover]

Unleash fear!

[thick dome]

ga51 loud..murderous intent

[dapper granite]

me when I try to shoot brixley and I accidently created a second sun with the muzzle flash

[rocky plover]

Arn180 is super loud as well ngl

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[dapper granite]

now that I think about it I dont think I have a single gun in my loadouts equipped with a suppressor

except the USP which I'm obligated to use with a suppressor

[rocky plover]

I have the SMG's

[dapper granite]

the round one too because it's cool

[rocky plover]

And the usp and 5-7

[dense galleon]

just completed twisted nerve, killed every single person i saw

[rocky plover]

Cos only options

Oh and for ar's theres a couple too

Like ddm4pdw and m14

[dapper granite]

I just use no muzzle for those to capitalize on how short the weapons are

[thick dome]

i like supr cause I know who doing the shooting

[rocky plover]

Yea valid

[rocky plover]

Also valid

[dapper granite]

I get that for swat ai but I dont really need it to tell I'm not the one shooting xD

[rocky plover]

But then again I either play solo or MP

So I would know who's doing the shooting

[latent crescent]

suppressors are useful in mp

[thick dome]

I still find it helpful in mp

[latent crescent]

lets u determine if an enemy or teammate is shooting

[rocky plover]

Depends if communication is there or not I guess

[latent crescent]

irl it dissipates heat better, no muzzle flash, somewhat quieter

longer barrel so better range

[thick dome]

but that isnt a thing in ron

[latent crescent]

hot take but verbal communication isnt always needed

set a plan, follow through with it and ur done

[rocky plover]

Yeah with a good and frequent team a non verbal run can be just as good

[latent crescent]

suppressors are a must in night maps, the muzzle flash with nods is fairly annoying

[dapper granite]

plans dont always work out

[rocky plover]

But I don't see that with public randoms lol

[latent crescent]

thats when u talk

[latent crescent]

ive done it a bunch of times works really well oddly enough

[dapper granite]

idk man my public lobbies are guys with HE grenades bombing everyone they see

[rocky plover]

That's nice, guess I don't find that many good public lobbies

[latent crescent]

maybe jts because we all have run the same 20 maps countless times

genuinely just have everything memorised

[rocky plover]

Yea it's becoming too repetitive

[thick dome]

youll know on the 1st door..if they just go in v pie or slide etc

[jolly verge]

Me with bomb vest on vanilla lobbies

[rocky plover]

We need more variety

[latent crescent]

thats when u get mod maps

or mods as a whole

[rocky plover]

True

[onyx swift]

That’s a hot take?

[latent crescent]

ikr, its almost as if cqb is mostly done with non verbal communication

but u need mods to do that in this game (tappy+)

which i have cause i aint no sissy

[thick dome]

what does tappt do?

[rocky plover]

Squeeze shoulder

[latent crescent]

lets u pull doors, mark locations and squeeze shoulder

the squeeze is represented with a unique sound that plays

[thick dome]

what effect does shoulder squeeze do?

ohhh ok

[rocky plover]

Let's you know guy behind you is ready

[latent crescent]

lets u set stack without shouting “STACK SET!”

[dapper granite]

me when I just wanted to give my team a nice shoulder massage and they shot up the whole building instead

[rocky plover]

Lol

[latent crescent]

real

[thick dome]

yea..usually #2 man squeezes #1s butt lol

[latent crescent]

no mercy for terrorists ig

[latent crescent]

hot

[dapper granite]

also I'm pretty sure giving commands or reporting to toc doesn't alert the suspects

they cant hear it

[thick dome]

lol hot cqb

correct. if you stacked on a door irl you want whispers at most

[latent crescent]

to make it realistic no

because u wouldnt scream it

[dapper granite]

thats fair

[latent crescent]

stop saying slurs wtf

please censor that

[dapper granite]

but I like how dramatic judge is when one of my officers die

WE HAVE AN OFFICER DOWN 🗣️

[latent crescent]

missed the whole joke and now ur gonna actually get banned bruh

pray no mod sees that

[thick dome]

edgelord

[latent crescent]

greased palms is shite, ask #🔎looking-for-players

dude its just a joke calm down

[rocky plover]

😂

[latent crescent]

okay then

[dapper granite]

this is how the crackheads on twisted nerve talk

[latent crescent]

anyways greased palms is a shit map

[rocky plover]

I mean he joined the server today so makes sense xD

[latent crescent]

have i mentioned that greased palms is shit?

S ranked it and will never touch it again on standard difficulty

[dapper granite]

I've grown to like greased p*lms tbh, just the boxes being basically seethrough for the ai makes no sense

[latent crescent]

i S ranked it with no crack for AI (40 fucking suspects)

[rocky plover]

Granted it's a bit annoying, but there are harder ones imo

[latent crescent]

like bruh, but i cant do it normally when they arent as trigger happy

what in the IDF glowie bullshit is happening here

shalom officer?

[rocky plover]

Just ignore him like his mam did lol

[onyx swift]

Let them show their true colors, makes things easier for us

[dapper granite]

😭

[latent crescent]

okay fair enough

[latent crescent]

no MOSSAD agent would do this, he aint no fed

[dapper granite]

how did we even get here?

[latent crescent]

<@&925148041126760529> this is getting boring do something about this pls

[marsh lark]

bro

[rocky plover]

[thick dome]

simple block button...no big deal

[latent crescent]

please do

[dapper granite]

"had to be a snitch" 😭 😭 😭

[latent crescent]

i’d like to talk normally

[rocky plover]

Easy, he just joined this server today can check his profile it's a fake one

[dapper granite]

I saw that

[latent crescent]

cause he mentioned greased palms

[dapper granite]

dunno what this accomplishes exactly though

[latent crescent]

ragebait ig

[dapper granite]

ooooh yeah you mentioned slurs or something and he started going off

[latent crescent]

or he really hates minorities

[rocky plover]

Yea trollers you know...

[latent crescent]

lmfao

top tier bait 💀🙏

[dapper granite]

it's like a code word

[rocky plover]

Haha

[dapper granite]

activated him like a sleeper agent

[rocky plover]

It's like those puppets that you pull the string

[latent crescent]

yeah

[rocky plover]

And they go on

🤣🤣

[dapper granite]

fuckass woody 💀

[rocky plover]

Hahaha

[latent crescent]

he said taliban like 20 times

[dapper granite]

"you've got a racist inside me" ahh

[latent crescent]

💀💀💀

[dapper granite]

what if it wasnt the slur part but the greased palms mention that got him

maybe he's got ptsd from it or something idk

[rocky plover]

Lmao

I mean he asked us to play greased palms

Not us hahah

[latent crescent]

plot twist he’s a war vet from afghanistan

[rocky plover]

Bhahahah

[latent crescent]

from the way he was speaking though… probably for the other side

[dapper granite]

"LS Postal Service Veteran"

[rocky plover]

[dapper granite]

I dont really wanna discuss politics here but how are people like this in the US allowed to own a gun?

[latent crescent]

they arent, they’re marked as mentally insane

[rocky plover]

Thing is if they do it's illegally owned

And when new and stricter laws are created regarding that matter it's always the law abiding citizens that suffer

[dapper granite]

btw unrelated to this whole thing but you said you sometimes run front steel plate only right

is that with heavy vest or just light

[rocky plover]

Light

I always use light anyways

Sometimes front only sometimes front and back

[dapper granite]

figured, I think I'm just gonna stick with full coverage ceramic, works for me and the speed is nice

[rocky plover]

Used to use ceramic but after last patch been using steel

I just like the 2 extra slots light vest gives me

[rocky plover]

With heavy I would prefer that yes

[latent crescent]

good thing im in the UK
we get mass surveillance instead

[rocky plover]

Over steel (with heavy armor)

[latent crescent]

i personally use light armour ceramic, much faster

for hard mode i either do light armour ceramic or full heavy armour ceramic

[dapper granite]

yeah but your paperdoll looks cool with the heavy armor :)

[rocky plover]

I used to use that but now light steel is very similar and not too far off from the acceleration

[dapper granite]

love the shoulder pads (even though they look stupid on the actual model which is why I never use that cosmetic)

[rocky plover]

It's with heavy armor full coverage you see a big difference with having steel Vs ceramic imo

In terms of acceleration

[rocky plover]

Really? I hate it cos it's less realistic

[dapper granite]

I mean the shoulder pads aren't actually there but the paperdoll looks nicer with them imo

[latent crescent]

all my outfits are made with light armour in mind

[rocky plover]

Yea they're cosmetic doesn't actually protect your shoulders

[rocky plover]

Same lol

[dapper granite]

I just use the default light armor cosmetic for heavy armor and then one of the small ones from the dark waters dlc I believe for the light armor

[rocky plover]

It's funny how a lot of the vests are plain without mags on them

[dapper granite]

some of them have little pouches on the side or optional styles that add them

[rocky plover]

Nice for pistol only loadouts but meh for other

[dapper granite]

or you could just pretend judge stuck them up his ass or something

[rocky plover]

🤣🤣

[dapper granite]

goes well with the 100 slots for all vests mod

[rocky plover]

"Hey swan toss a mag" every 2 minutes 🤣

[dapper granite]

technically you can already share mags in this game right?

[rocky plover]

Yes

[dapper granite]

not with the ai but in multiplayer

[rocky plover]

Yea

[dapper granite]

also the ai already have infinite mags anyway

they probably actually did stuck them up there based on how fast they often move

[rocky plover]

Not 100% if it's still the case but yeah it used to be like that for certain before

[dapper granite]

you just need to give them one mag for the gun and they can reload forever

[rocky plover]

That's good, load them up plenty on flashes, wedges, c2 and everything else

[dapper granite]

sometimes it if they're running shield and run out of pistol ammo they forget to reload it though but idk if thats because of that

could just be they're being stupid again

[rocky plover]

Ye could be

[dapper granite]

okay so

last time you said angled grips dont do anything for rifles

I really think I can feel a difference in the ads speed

or I'm just going crazy again

no I really think the animation might be faster

also I assume "+ inreased accuracy" on the combat grip doesnt do anything

[velvet steeple]

Increased accuracy doesn’t do anything

It just means the horizontal control is higher

The angled grip recenters 10% faster, has -20% horizontal recoil, and aims 35% faster

Rifles don’t really have horizontal recoil though unless you run it in full auto, even then vertical is far more substantial

There are two different types of combat grips for some reason though, both have 80% horizontal recoil reduction but one also increases aim speed by 10% while the other doesn’t at all

[dapper granite]

yeah we've discussed earlier that horizontal recoil doesnt really happen on rifles

and instead theres "angle recoil" which cant be reduced my attachments even though it basically does the same thing as horizontal recoil

but I've also been told that the angled grip doesnt do anything either but I swear the aiming animation is faster with it

[velvet steeple]

It aims 35% faster

And the weapon recenters 10% faster

It’s kinda weird that the side grip doesn’t help a different type of recoil

It’s just a combat grip without the 10% aim speed (on certain guns)

And then TH is just a vertical grip reskin

[dapper granite]

yeah they kinda should rebalance the attachments

[covert aurora]

do not ping the entire moderation team if you have an issue go to toc

[latent crescent]

my bad i just did what u usually with all the other servers im in

or whatever was intended

[stable kernel]

You missed what was said, which very much warranted the ping

[covert aurora]

Oh!

[covert aurora]

No your all good. I guess your call was the right one 🙂

[dire knot]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message
@grave karma I'm having more difficulty with 'I'm too old for this' than any of those 😭 that's crazy

[clever galleon]

Ive got a question, what are the chances RoN price drops this month, because of winter

Because of winter sale perhaps

[covert aurora]

there's a good chance

[copper pendant]

Would anyone happen to have an accurate map of 7408 Martinez blvd (”the spider“) outside of the dated injection clinic map?

[still willow]

I wonder if the frame rate has been fixed

[jolly verge]

It's irrelevant #💬general-discussion message

[narrow geode]

Every zeptosecond counts

[rocky plover]

It was fixed so ye it gives ads speed now

[torpid onyx]

glorp

[tired gale]

Can civs arrest suspects? I just walked into a room and there was a civ and an already arrested suspect

[rocky plover]

No they can't but I've seen it happening where suspects/civs/evidence become auto secured

[tired gale]

Thats weird

Ijust walked in there and he was already in cuffs but im in a solo game

First time ive ever seen that

[rocky plover]

🤣

[tired gale]

He cuffed himself knowing i was coming fr

Became sentient and gave up

[rocky plover]

Lowered his morale just by spawning in 🤣

[rocky plover]

@sage portal can host multiplayer friends only for that

[grave karma]

To be honest, I don't know what to say to that... It's very easy to get it, the only problem is the Hide and Seek mission on high difficulty

[rocky plover]

@narrow geode cos they have different base health

[quasi coral]

What mission are ya doin?

[sage portal]

I've used almost every AR, besides, Mk16,MK17?

Which one should I use?

[quasi coral]

Depends, the MK17 is a Battle Rifle, whilst the MK16 is an assault rifle

[sage portal]

I do the big maps most of the time

[tacit gull]

the mk16 is ugly and the mk17 is shit, take your pic

[rocky plover]

😂

True

[cedar mulch]

Why is the SCAR so dreadful?

[tacit gull]

the mk17 atleast has horrid recoil that bounces all over the place and covers up enemies

[sage portal]

Never knew such guns would get shit talked lol !!

[cedar mulch]

Why is the SCAR still inferior to predecessors such as the SA58 or G3A3?

The SCAR is considerably younger than them

[tacit gull]

the sa58 has some recoil too but atleast to me it feels more controllable
as for the g3 and the hk51 they both have recoil on brand with 5.56 rifles rather than nato rounds

i dont know why void decided to slap that much recoil on it, the balancing in ron never made sense

[cedar mulch]

RON's weapon balancing falls short of Insurgency; SCAR in that game is hardly difficult to use.

[marsh lark]

Insurgency is also primarily a PvP game where some weapon balance has to be kept.

And the maps are also way bigger, the gameplay is way faster.

[wind gyro]

whens dlc3 launching then

[thorn egret]

Los Suenos Stories

[wind gyro]

lss isnt a dlc

[wind gyro]

its an update 😡

[thorn egret]

Shhhh

[wind gyro]

dlc3 = next dlc

[stoic thistle]

Let me fight Los Locos with a Mosin Nagant and my dollars are yours.

[wind gyro]

and dlc3 is when console get the goodies unlocked (unless you pre ordered the game)

they can finally s rank easily with launchers

[thorn egret]

DLC3 will be on the moon

Known fact

[wind gyro]

dont you know the hint

[thorn egret]

DLC1 was on the ground
DLC2 was on the water

[wind gyro]

"A pot of hot water and the tip of a pencil "

thats a hint for dlc3

[thorn egret]

Neil Armstrong said that

[wind gyro]

neil armstrong is not real

[thorn egret]

Space DLC

[wind gyro]

thats a theory, an arg theory

[thorn egret]

Yeah because he transitioned

Neil is his deadname is actual name is Judge

[stoic thistle]

A dangerous situation and some sort of disruption of balance.

[thorn egret]

RoN theory: Judge is trans Neil Armstrong

[cedar zodiac]

I clench my teeth and use them anyways, they don't deserve to be this bad 🥲

[tired gale]

its a modded mission for the RPD from resident evil 2

but a map shouldnt affect how the ai behaves

[quasi coral]

Ohh, I see

[cedar mulch]

In truth, Los Locos are an organisation that makes frequent appearances, yet players know almost nothing of their true nature. They are far more mysterious than the UPF, with their origins shrouded in obscurity.

[dire knot]

That was also Hella easy for me. Neon tomb and Greased Palms are making me suffer

[rocky plover]

neon tomb is a bit annoying only because sometimes they like to "off" themselves and ruin your S rank XD

[dire knot]

I'm not going for S

[rocky plover]

ah ok, mb then

[dire knot]

Nah ur good.

I just get my face caved in a lot

Same with G.P

[rocky plover]

i get it with greased palms, annoying when they can see through every pixel

neon tomb, the only thing i kinda hate about it is how foggy/grainy it can be with the lighting sometimes

if you get what i mean

[floral peak]

the only things i dont like about neon is pools room and dancefloor

there always someone who you didnt see and he shoots you in the back

[rocky plover]

ye i feel you, pool room cos of the glass and pillars, and dance floor for obvious reasons

[floral peak]

Remember getting Hard S here

I was searching for last suspects, AI was on search and secure

i was heading towards starting hallway

and then i see bomber

he spots me immediately too

HE TANKED FIRST M32 SHOT

[rocky plover]

once I was on 2nd floor near DJ booth, and there was a suspect with bomb vest on the dance floor, he exploded and killed me without giving me time to even register wtf had happened lol

[floral peak]

And by miracle 2nd one stopped him

[rocky plover]

yeaaaah last suspect is fuckin almost always on steriods lol

especially bomb vest

[floral peak]

yeah

atp i memorizes almost all spawns in this game

i also remember first time coming to Relapse on hard

seeing bomb vest with guns

like bro what

[rocky plover]

ye, I kinda too nowadays to the point where its starting to get a little boring

haah ikr

[floral peak]

time to find some ppl to help with S ranks

hopefully i dont get insta kicked in open matchmaking

[rocky plover]

yea that's what keeps me coming back sometimes ngl

seeing someone struggle especially with S ranks, I dont mind helping them

[floral peak]

I guess its time

for Hard S ironman

This will be lots of fun

[rocky plover]

hahah

[floral peak]

Ooooh, veteran and peacekeeper from start?

and nutritionist

[rocky plover]

pacifier?

[floral peak]

yeah

[rocky plover]

ah ok, im like whats peacekeeper xD

[floral peak]

and also riot controll

[rocky plover]

all of them good, eh riot control is meh

[floral peak]

well, paired with M32

might be good

[rocky plover]

ye but if you'd get a 2nd pacifier or even a negotiator it would be better

and also an armorer

[floral peak]

I like pacifier, double negotiator or intimidator, and maybe nutritionist

[rocky plover]

I only used armorer + nutritionist + 2 veterans cos I mostly play on quick play or solo multiplayer for S ranks

but ye if you're doing commander S ranks, pacifier and negotiator are very good

[floral peak]

alr, gonna use for AI: double beanbag, pepperball and m32a1

[rocky plover]

intimidator is meh alright but doesnt last that long, pacifier and negotiator better

[floral peak]

idk, intimidator is good imo

love when i enter the room and someone immediately on knees

[rocky plover]

thats negotiator though

[floral peak]

is it?

[rocky plover]

yea think so

i mean they are kinda similar, but i think thats mostly from negotiator

[floral peak]

surely this save file wont end on Greased Palms

[rocky plover]

i mean only negotiator effects morale, intimidator doesnt even though it says it does -_-

[rocky plover]

lol

good luck!

[floral peak]

thanks

[surreal pelican]

How does crouch free leaning work?

[jolly verge]

Negotiator also does not affect morale , it's simply rolls a dice if suspect will surrender or not after first compliance shout.
The only trait that affects suspects morale is breacher

[rocky plover]

ye I kinda worded it wrongly

but I think he got what i meant

[rocky plover]

it helps you see suspects without them seeing you, if that's what you're asking

@jolly verge wanted to ask you smth

you seem to suggest ceramic over steel (for non commander runs)
isn't steel still better though in terms of survivability even without the armorer trait?

[surreal pelican]

Damn nice, but they'll be able to see me once I start firnnh right?

[surreal pelican]

I'll give my honest opinion on this from my POV, ceramic doesn't create spalling and 100% protection until broken

[rocky plover]

ye but you can't spall yourself, only to others

[rocky plover]

not exactly no, only if you peek a little too much, then they can see you

but if you peek exactly and stop exactly once you can see them, they can't see you for the most part (only with free lean)

[rocky plover]

I used to use ceramic only before, but since last update steel seems to be far better now, so been using that, but I was just curious why he was suggesting ceramic

[surreal pelican]

So that means I can't abuse the crouch lean by taking my sweet time to stare at em and aim right?

[surreal pelican]

o

[surreal pelican]

How come steel better if ceramic offers full protection?

[rocky plover]

you can as long as you dont keep leaning or they move, you gotta adjust accordingly to stay "hidden"

[surreal pelican]

Ah alright, I only really used crouch (not the crouch lean) on Greased Palms

[rocky plover]

for 2 main reasons:

1. once its broken it becomes worse than kevlar in a way
2. you can't bleed and heal from ceramic so with steel you keep going from low hp back to 50% every time you heal

but all this depends on rng on bleeds and rng on where you get hit mostly

if you get hit on arms and legs ALOT, you might survive more with ceramic in that case

[surreal pelican]

Tf? How does point 2 work? And the white armour indicator should disappear if my ceramic is gone right?

[latent crescent]

ceramic rarely ever breaks

u’ll be dead before it breaks

[rocky plover]

not rly

[marsh lark]

When you start bleeding you rapidly loose HP, but the game is programmed to restore your HP to 50% if you stop the bleeding

[latent crescent]

u also never heal

[rocky plover]

because its technically it is still blocking hits, just at lower % protection, thats why, and yes to your last part

[latent crescent]

or whatever med said

[marsh lark]

In any case steel is all around better, if the AI does not dome your head then you will survive more than with ceramic.

[latent crescent]

ive never been shot enough for my ceramic to break

[surreal pelican]

Ya, got confused at the bleed and heal thingy for ceramic

[latent crescent]

just use cover brah

[rocky plover]

ye thought so, thanks

[marsh lark]

3 letter triad says otherwise

[rocky plover]

hahah

[surreal pelican]

Same here, stupid question but if my armour goes from white to none it means my armour is gone right? I don't think I've seen my ceramic go poof

[latent crescent]

3 letter pain

[rocky plover]

yes

same with helmet

[latent crescent]

yeah, me neither lol

[surreal pelican]

Ah alright, my helmet sometimes go poof lol

But never saw my ceramic vest break before I die

[rocky plover]

ye same thing can happen with ceramic

[latent crescent]

i always use ceramic even in hard difficulty

[rocky plover]

i think you need to break all the plates to see if on the paper doll

thats why you rarely see it

[latent crescent]

steel plates is slow and can hurt ur teammates with riccochets

[rocky plover]

but if for example your front plate is gone and you still see your paperdoll have armor and take hit to your front plate again you die

[surreal pelican]

So with steel plate I regen more HP or something? Sorry I got confused with point 2 for steel plate

[rocky plover]

thats why you said you probably die before you break the plate

[surreal pelican]

o

[latent crescent]

whereas with ceramic plates if i get shot i can quickly get to cover and not get shot as a whole

[rocky plover]

when in reality the plate was already broken

[rocky plover]

exactly, yes

steel isnt slow anymore, unless you go with heavy and full coverage

[surreal pelican]

Hell nah no way

[rocky plover]

i always used light with front and back, and sometimes light with front only

[surreal pelican]

Light only covers front and back right?

[rocky plover]

yea

heavy only gives the possible to add sides, no arm/shoulder protection

[surreal pelican]

If that's the case with steel plates with steel letting you heal back more HP over ceramic, then imma try it

[marsh lark]

You can bleed both ways.

You do not need steel to bleed

However because you get more damage reduction overall with steel, you have a higher chance of getting bleed/healing from bleed before dying.

[surreal pelican]

o

[rocky plover]

slightly incorrect

you can bleed with ceramic

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[rocky plover]

but can't bleed once its broken

but if you get hit on limbs then ye you can bleed again

[surreal pelican]

So my chest can't bleed if my ceramic is broken?

[rocky plover]

with steel you can bleed but its still RNG

[surreal pelican]

Wheras for steel, I get more HP regen coz of the constant 75% protection?

[rocky plover]

it;s 86.5% now XD (91.5% with armorer trait)

if you are at for example at 40% hp and heal it gets you back up to 50%

technically the more times you bleed the better and have a chance to keep healing and never die

but ofc you wont bleed everytime you get shot

[surreal pelican]

Christ almighty

[rocky plover]

yeah! thats what i mean!, i always used ceramic, but every since steel became 86.5% i never used ceramic again lol

[surreal pelican]

How much HP do I regain with healing with steel? Compared to ceramic

[marsh lark]

Actually you are correct. However the mechanic for that is just weirdly explained. You can bleed when Ceramic armor is not broken, but even when it actually breaks the game does not consider it broken, it just ticks off the instance where you can bleed.

[surreal pelican]

Ok stupid question, but where does remainder of unabsorbed damage go to? It damages our HP right?

[rocky plover]

also speed penalty went from -23% to -18% which made it very close to ceramic tbh

[rocky plover]

it resets you back to 50% when you heal the bleeding if you were under 50%, if you are at 60% for example and stop the bleeding you stay at 60% or slightly less depending how quick you fixed the bleeding

[surreal pelican]

This is for steel right? Or is it for both steel and ceramic?

[marsh lark]

You loose like 8% HP a second afaik

[rocky plover]

~3 health per second

[marsh lark]

really?

[rocky plover]

ye according to the sheet

[marsh lark]

Honestly man, if you want whats best just look at the sheet and see for yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1684145677#gid=1684145677

[rocky plover]

both, but like I said if the plate on the ceramic is broken you wont bleed and it would block the damage at -40% instead of 100%, just like how kevlar blocks it at 50%

[surreal pelican]

Thanks 🙏

[rocky plover]

yea i saw this, idk how my single question to AspidZeus got everyone jumping on me (dont mean it in a bad way hahah), i was just curious why he suggested ceramic for non commander runs when steel is now better imo

[surreal pelican]

Ohh, so in a nutshell:

Ceramic once broken it just caps at -40% and doesn't allow you to bleed and hence will kill you faster coz no HP regen

But steel can't break and coz it can't break you'll get bleeds more and hence more HP and survivability

[rocky plover]

in a nutshell yes

[surreal pelican]

Lol sorry if I came off that way, I was pretty confused since I've been running ceramic and never thought about the bleeding HP regen 🙏

[surreal pelican]

For spalling is it negligible and it only affects my HP if rng isn't on my side right?

[rocky plover]

ye no worries, you're good fam

[rocky plover]

i mean i wouldnt worry too much regarding spalling, 1 doesnt effect you, only to others, plus the dmg is very small from spalling + if it even happens to begin with

I tagged you on #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art should make things more clear

[surreal pelican]

Spalling only affects others and not me? Btw thanks for the screenshot. I think I'll start running steel on myself and my AI now

[marsh lark]

Spalling only affects those around you, correct.

[rocky plover]

just like I said, i always used to run ceramic myself, but after steel buff, i switched and never went back to ceramic lol

and ye as Medojed said

[surreal pelican]

Thank you med, spall only affects the others if they're beside me right? or is there a set distance?

[marsh lark]

Not sure what the distance is.

[rocky plover]

different dmg according to different radius

i wouldnt get much into it tbh

[surreal pelican]

I think the answer to the 3LT and some of the stupid ass deaths I've seen my AI encounter is steel

[rocky plover]

becomes too much of a numbers game hahaha and takes away the fun

[surreal pelican]

I understand the more bleed = more hp concept now, thank you and yea you're right about the numbers game lmao

[rocky plover]

not exactly more bleed = more hp, just if you're under 50% it takes you back to 50% hp instead of stay at like 30% for example

[surreal pelican]

Oh shit

[rocky plover]

this requires a bleed and heal for it to work, so if you dont bleed you will go to 30% or even die for that matter

[surreal pelican]

And if either front or back of my ceramic breaks, then no more bleeding for me right?

[rocky plover]

so bleeding is RNG

[rocky plover]

you can still bleed if you get shot to limbs

[surreal pelican]

oh

[rocky plover]

ALOT of rng involved, just don't break your thoughts on it hahaha

[surreal pelican]

But I won't get bleed for my chest area if my chest plate (either front or back) is damaged right?

[rocky plover]

exactly, correct

[surreal pelican]

Yeaa, sorry if I'm asking pretty stupid questions rn, it's 1:13 am and I'm trying to understand the concept of steel 😭

[surreal pelican]

No wonder my armour always shows as unbroken on the paper doll and then I go: "ok I still can get some pot shots to me" but then die. time to try steel then. Thank you. Light steel here I come

[rocky plover]

ye no worries man, we all learn smth new everyday

[surreal pelican]

🙏, Steel for the AI too right? Pains me to see them die like that thanks to stupid pathfinding even tho I no longer play on cmd mode

[rocky plover]

ye thats because you have individual plates, front, back, side is shared so its 1 not 2 sides

[surreal pelican]

Ohhhhh damn, right

[rocky plover]

i'm not totally certain on that because i dont play commander or even with AI that much, but yes think so

[surreal pelican]

Light armour has side plate right? Or am I wrong?

[rocky plover]

no doesnt

[surreal pelican]

Oh alright

Frontal and back

[rocky plover]

yep

the only diff heavy is possible for sides, arm/shoulder is cosmetic on paperdoll and doesnt actually protect you

[surreal pelican]

I've been running ceramic light frontal and back, paper doll always shows that I got armour left even tho probably I got no more plates coz one of em broke

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[rocky plover]

however deffo give heavy full coverage for the swat AI

[surreal pelican]

I've been letting them run light all the while except when I did my S runs or Hard mode S 😭

Coz of the extra slots for stuff like wedge and C2

[rocky plover]

nah give them heavy with sides too, cos they arent that good at facing the threat directly

without sides, they can die in just 3 shots if they get shot to side

[surreal pelican]

Yep

Question, why would I not run both frontal and back protection (for light) or reduce the armour coverage?

[rocky plover]

ye i always ran light with ceramic front and back myself, now i use light with steel front and back, sometimes front only if i wanna be slightly faster (around same speed with full ceramic) so very good

i think this^^ should answer that

[surreal pelican]

Oh I see I see, so lesser plates is more speed. The speed is acceleration wise right? Not the walking speed

[rocky plover]

basically the more plates the less acceleration

exactly ^

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, I think that does it. Steel from now on

[rocky plover]

final speed is always the same no matter the armor

just the inertia

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[rocky plover]

just test it and see for yourself, if a thing works for me, doesnt mean it can work for you, you might hate the slightly slower acceleration

but personally i got used to it now

[surreal pelican]

Alright, I think I might be content with it coz there's quite a couple of times where I died coz of god knows what 😭

Maybe I'll get used to it too just like adopting free lean

[young wedge]

why did they nerfed gas? it was actually realistic

[surreal pelican]

Final question: Is it true that the AI teammates have infinite mags despite you assigning them how many mags they can bring?

[rocky plover]

if you're very certain that you will be facing threats directly and avoid getting hit to sides and back, then i strongly suggest front coverage only steel, its basically same acceleration as full coverage ceramic

but if you wanna play it safer, then take back coverage too, its not that slower imo

[surreal pelican]

Got it, I just run light and back since I only have my teammates have 1 wedge slot per member, not enough to block every door on maps like 3LT

[rocky plover]

im not totally certain on this, way back I think this was the case, but now not that sure

[surreal pelican]

Yea, I mean might as well go all in if you're embracing the steel supremacy

[surreal pelican]

Damn.. logistical constraints for my team if I let em use heavy 😭

I'll test to see if whether light steel (frontal and back) is effective for my team AI, if not I'll have to tweak again and give them heavy and maybe ration their pistol ammo. Think they have 2 mags like me

[rocky plover]

i mean you have 4 swat AI, shouldnt be much of a problem, logistics wise

[surreal pelican]

Yup, sometimes I break them into individual teams like red and blue on maps like Narcos, one to cover a area while I breach another separate area with another team

[rocky plover]

ye thats what i normally do, i just use light with front and back (dont like heavy for me cos of the slots tbh)

[surreal pelican]

I have them kitted out so that if one dies, the entire team isn't affected by one member only having specific deployables

[rocky plover]

i highly suggest giving them heavy for the side plates, cos they suck at facing the threat, making them die in 3 shots (to the side)

[surreal pelican]

Yea, I carry like 6 bangs and 4 mags for primary and 2 pistol (rarely use pistol)

[rocky plover]

identical to me XD +1 slot for taser

[surreal pelican]

Will try em for my AI too, should I give my AI like 2 pistol mags worth? I mean better to bring more primary mags and bangs right?

[rocky plover]

then wedges and c2 on team, instead of myself

[surreal pelican]

Same I carry a taser with me

[surreal pelican]

Same.. 1 wedge 1 C2 for every member

[rocky plover]

keep in mind wedges and c2 come in pairs, so 1=2, 2=4 etc..

[rocky plover]

i wouldnt remove all their sidearm ammo completely though, sometimes its better as a backup rather than reloading in the open

[rocky plover]

same as me for lethal only however

[surreal pelican]

Yup, that's why I only give them 1 slot each

[surreal pelican]

o true, would you mind sharing your AI team loadout for the amount of mags and deployables they carry with heavy armour?

[latent crescent]

6 bangs not enough

[surreal pelican]

[rocky plover]

3/4 primary
2 secondary
4/3 whatever utility (used to be gas, now flash, i hate stingers ESPECIALLY with the AI using them)
1 wedge
1 c2

[latent crescent]

i carry 6 mags cause i have 18 slots

Jug’s AI

[surreal pelican]

God bless you, I think my AI roughly has the same loadout just that they have more mags 🙏. This will work nicely

[latent crescent]

i give the AI my loadout but change their guns for more diversity

[surreal pelican]

I have them running all the same AR except for one with a shotgun

[rocky plover]

you're welcome, ye feel free to adjust whats best for you

[surreal pelican]

Youre using roughly my AI loadout, it's working somewhat well just that maybe I may have given them a tad more mags coz of light armour. Heavy max is 13 slots right?

[rocky plover]

light is 13, heavy 11

[surreal pelican]

o

3 primary, 2 secondary, 4 bangs, 1 wedge and C2 for my team I guess then

[rocky plover]

11 is fine for AI imo since you got 4 AI, but I hate 11 slots for myself, thats why i go for light and even it still feels somewhat limited lol

[surreal pelican]

How many pistol mags should I give to the one with shield?

[surreal pelican]

Ya, I prefer more slots hence I also use light on me

[rocky plover]

they kinda suck with shield imo, but if you persist switch the primary value with the secondary value

[surreal pelican]

I have my shield in my team so they can draw fire for me, so.. 2 secondary mags still?

[rocky plover]

2 for prim, 4 secondary, smth like that is good

[surreal pelican]

Aight, thank you

For shotguns what should the ratio be?

I think they're using the M1014

[rocky plover]

i tend to go with strong AR's for AI, they kinda fire slow with shotguns even with semi auto's and they arent that good with them in general but then again, i might be incorrect on this as i dont play with Ai that much

[surreal pelican]

o

[rocky plover]

i just do 1 preset for them and give it for all 4 of them

[surreal pelican]

Nice

Thank you for sharing your preset 🙏

[rocky plover]

no worries

[rocky plover]

i remember light also having sides before, but they changed it 🙁 XD

[surreal pelican]

Damn..

[rocky plover]

wish we can take front + side without back XD at least

[surreal pelican]

Ikrr

Imma sleep now, goodnight and thank you 🙏

[rocky plover]

goodnight, you're welcome

[latent kite]

help me

[rocky plover]

with what

[latent kite]

ive been stuck on this level for 4hours...

[rocky plover]

what map

[latent kite]

greasy palms

[rocky plover]

ye sure, lethal or less lethal?

[latent kite]

wdym

[rocky plover]

are ya going for any particular rank or no?

[latent kite]

nope first playthrough after i beat the hole game im gonna get S on everything

[latent crescent]

hard mode first is better tbh

but be comfy with the game first

[rocky plover]

ah ok I see

[latent kite]

what guns n stuff to use?

[latent kite]

alt F4 my best friend rn

[latent crescent]

me doing ironman

[rocky plover]

various depending on map, but on greased palms pretty much anything can work cos they are unarmored

[latent kite]

say a gun

[latent kite]

i hate this dumb fisa officer sm

[rocky plover]

g36c, f90, mcx, sr16, arn180 all very good, hell even shotguns so op

[latent crescent]

use the sr16 for max OP

or any 7.62 rifle

[latent kite]

ok

[jolly verge]

Steel is better for sure, but I recommend ceramic for a new player with heavy vest because of acceleration penalty and side plates

[rocky plover]

ah ok i see, i use light vest, used to use ceramic before but i switched to steel ever since it got buffed and its speed penalty decreased. thanks.

[tidal sleet]

I got shot in the head and didn’t die

[balmy prawn]

Ok did all missions s rank time for the hard playthrough any tips for hard mode

[tidal sleet]

Also with no helmet

[summer patio]

You can never be too paranoid clearing rooms. If you have a flash, use it.

[rocky plover]

Good advice^ in addition don't fully trust the flash either.

[copper silo]

why is

judge listed as a roblox veteran in the wiki

???

[marsh lark]

What

[whole plume]

Beat VoTD on Hard, but at the cost of 2 officers lives (quick play so it doesnt matter, but didnt make it any easier)

[rocky plover]

It's true 😂😂😂 (as in it's listed in the wiki)

[whole plume]

I hate when the AI clearing a room turns their back to an enemy

And then gets killed

Its stupid, and really annoying, can really ruin S rank runs (which luckily, this wasn't!)

[rocky plover]

"If customisation options are considered canon, he is married, has 3 kids, Aubrey, Zoe, and Maddie, and is a Roblox milsim veteran."

😂 😂 😂 😂

[rocky plover]

Yeah they sometimes can't even face the threat or won't even fire while fired upon -_-

[marsh lark]

Yeah that will probably get fixed sooner or later.

[copper silo]

is it true

[marsh lark]

Obviously not

[rocky plover]

Nah the wiki can be edited by anyone

[whole plume]

Yeah, it makes them really annoying on Hard when they bug out and refuse to move or do anything

[marsh lark]

He is a war veteran

Not a milsim veteran

[whole plume]

Anyone got tips for how to even beat Mindjot on Hard? Its so hard and annoying

[marsh lark]

Judge was medically discharged from the USIA after suffering some injury in the field and later after Gamma-one project happened, he was put by USIA into LSPD SWAT

[rocky plover]

It's easier than VoTD imo, don't go from the main entrance, go to the right side and clear the exterior and move on from there. Then could also track back and go left side and clear roof and 2nd small roof. Then it's just the interior, have a couple wedges to avoid getting flanked from behind.

[whole plume]

Yeah thanks, its tough but if I keep at it (and use this convenient semi auto Shotgun I have) we will be golden

[rocky plover]

They are quite hesitant at first which makes them not as aggressive in the beginning, so take advantage of that. Good luck.

[whole plume]

These AI are on cocaine?!

[rocky plover]

In the beginning no, actually quite the opposite, but when they do get stressed, yes then yes 😂

[tidal sleet]

Or you break them and they decide to take their life

[whole plume]

They're like this instantly, reacting way too fast

He saw me for 0.5 sec max, and bang dead

[rocky plover]

well on hard, yea they're always gonna react faster and more aggressive than standard

[whole plume]

Yeah, but this is Hard even for Hard, harder than a good bit of carpentry wood

Strange, cause every other level feels doable, this doesn't

[rocky plover]

well compared to some other map's suspects they take longer to get stressed

[whole plume]

It really doesn't feel that way

They instantly start killing you at the first sight

Maybe its bugged?

[rocky plover]

i mean they arent as easy as lets say like twisted nerve suspects

but they're easier than neon tomb or hospital suspects for example

[whole plume]

Yet to reach those tbf, I am quite anxious for doing that as S rank Standard then Hard

[tidal sleet]

having some hot chocolate

[whole plume]

Same for Greased Balls, I am not looking forward to S rank/Hard clear that

[whole plume]

If this server had reactions, I would ❤️ this

Why do we not have reactions around here?

[tidal sleet]

used milk instead of water

[whole plume]

I use both tbf

[rocky plover]

cos of people spamming reactions or doing multiple ones on the same comments

[fringe fjord]

hot chocolate with water

[rocky plover]

to give you an idea, they quite similar to VoTD suspects

[tidal sleet]

I only use water if that’s all I have

[whole plume]

Yeah, Hot Choc powder, hot water, mix, add milk to regulate the temperature, no?

Thats the way I have always been tought it

[whole plume]

This is the only server I am in where reactions are off and that has that issue tbf

[rocky plover]

depends on the powder tbh, personally I never mixed them, either milk only or water only, mostly milk though

[rocky plover]

it's only on the main channels like this, some other channels allow emoji reactions

[whole plume]

In the UK it literally says on the tubs to use hot water

[whole plume]

Yeah

[rocky plover]

ye thats why i said depends on powder, some say water some say milk

[tidal sleet]

The one I have says water or milk

[soft thunder]

No need just use hot milk

for flavor

if your powder gets screwed from using hot milk then that's not chocolate powder gang and you need to throw it out

😭