👮ron-discussion

[jolly verge]

Here's recoil table if needed

[hybrid belfry]

g36C is NOT the lowest recoil

GA416 is low

[rocky plover]

still dk how the mp7 is classified as high, when it's one of the lowest actually XD

[hybrid belfry]

unaccurate

[hybrid belfry]

yeah, this table is unaccurate

[jolly verge]

Just try it on any wall

[hybrid belfry]

MK16 med? Hold my beer

[rocky plover]

you're saying p90 is more controllable? XD bruh mp7 is more controllable than p90

[hybrid belfry]

yeah man

[jolly verge]

It's height of recoil, not how gun is controllable

[rocky plover]

so muzzle rise per se, not recoil exactly

[dire knot]

The Sinuous Trail one is cooler than that lol

[jolly verge]

The less the recoil the less you need to pull the mouse down

[hybrid belfry]

microchips?

[jolly verge]

Full auto

[hybrid belfry]

best gun is the one that hurts your ears everytime u shoot it

so u get motivation NOT to shoot

[rocky plover]

yeah I know, but it's not exactly actual recoil is what you mean by this, it's more like muzzle rise.

[jolly verge]

Im deaf irl so I don't know which one is louder

[hybrid belfry]

dont use guns

[rocky plover]

cos in terms of how controllable it is, its kind of misleading

but yeah i get what you meant

[jolly verge]

What do you mean by recoil then?

[rocky plover]

idk exactly how to explain it, but ye i got what you meant

[jolly verge]

Most guns have only vertical recoil, some SMGs like P90 do have horizontal but that it

I can send angle recoil table but it's a bit harder to explain

[rocky plover]

yeah, thats why I under stood what you meant by it then

[unborn crystal]

AmusingBanan

[rocky plover]

cos i know for a fact mp7 is easier to control than p90

but when you told me height of recoil

i knew what you meant then

[jolly verge]

Guess I gotta add "vertical" text

[rocky plover]

so while the table is correct and I agree with you, at first glance it can be a little mis-leading

[rocky plover]

nah it's fine you're good fam

was surprised as well when i saw 590M as the highest, when the recoil on the semi auto is higher due to the fire rate xD

same with the 9mm pistols (excluding the 509) being higher than the .45acp ones

[jolly verge]

Yeah roughly saying it's just a distance between each shot

[rocky plover]

but ye as I said before I understood what it actually reassembles

[jolly verge]

On shotguns and some pistols

[rocky plover]

ye makes sense

[rocky plover]

the recoil angle strength part of the table? if it's that, I found that easier to understand since I'm better with numbers than words

[languid juniper]

I dead check suspects once they hit the ground

A Direct Action SOF sequel to ready or not would go insane

Wartime ROE and cool weapons and shit

[tidal sleet]

don’t use full auto then? It’s kinda worthless if you can shoot quickly

I put 3 holes in suspects in under a second so full auto is just gonna slow me down

[timber hull]

Not to mention its easier to control your shots

[torpid onyx]

how to get unauthorised use of lethal force penalties

[languid juniper]

nah theres a two second window after 'last hostile act' and you get a freebie

[torpid onyx]

just hope you don't shoot too late

[jolly verge]

@surreal pelican this is default vest

[surreal pelican]

The third variant one with the O+ blood group?

[jolly verge]

Idk

[surreal pelican]

I mean that looks like the closest to me

The one with the O+ blood group patch at the front, thanks

[dapper granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163795643677020262/1449839444055294052/image.png?ex=69405bb4&is=693f0a34&hm=b9c8fa2729a707411c5c9409c49219e122b2b3fb55042ee2c36be337cad821ca I don't think I've ever had less health in this game lol

oh does that not work here

mb

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art if anyone wants too see ig

[rocky plover]

helmet is intact at least 🤣

broken right arm, legs almost too lmao

torso is not hit at least though

[dapper granite]

would actually be more beneficial to get shot in the head than body atp xD

[rocky plover]

depends caliber though XD

[cyan patrol]

Waiting on an update while I continue to see shotty advertising of this game.

[rocky plover]

also is that with ceramic or steel im curious

[dapper granite]

ceramic

[rocky plover]

oh cool you didn't break any of the coverage

[dapper granite]

was playing greased palms and for some reason none of my gun attachments loaded in so I was stuck with a base SR-16

[rocky plover]

just blasted on arms and legs XD

[dapper granite]

doesn't the paperdoll only show the armor is broken after you've broken all of the plates?

so like you could only have the shoulder plates intact but it still shows the full vest like it's brand new

[rocky plover]

think so, but your torso isn't hit, so doubt you lost any of the plates

[dapper granite]

vest probably tanked all the torso shots maybe

[rocky plover]

side and back too

[rocky plover]

also shoulder plates are just cosmetic btw, it doesnt actually protect there

[jolly verge]

There is no arm protection

[dapper granite]

actually yeah isnt that just sides?

[jolly verge]

The difference is side plates only between light and heavy

[rocky plover]

sides yea

[jolly verge]

60° angle protection on left and right

[dapper granite]

would be kinda cool if the paperdoll showed how broken each plate is live instead of just updating once all of them are broken (that never happens)

also it no longer shows if you have nods or ballistic mask on

[rocky plover]

thats why i kinda prefer light over heavy, extra 2 slots is nice

[surreal merlin]

will the stress of my officers increase if i fire someone?

[rocky plover]

and sometimes i just use front coverage, sometimes front and back

[jolly verge]

Yes but only by 0.15 stress and there is a cap of 0.9

[dapper granite]

I love the back coverage with ceramic

[jolly verge]

2 slots or 2 shots to die

[dapper granite]

if you're getting shot you can just turn your back to the enemy and tank a couple more

[surreal merlin]

so theoretically if i do a couple of non lethal runs should they be back? or is therapy/time off needed

[jolly verge]

Arresting suspect alive heals 0.08 stress, civilian - 0.03

[rocky plover]

i mean i rarely take shots to the sides or back so doesnt make a difference to me that much

[rocky plover]

used to use ceramic way back, but i;ve been using steel more lately

[surreal merlin]

okey thank u very much 🫡

[dapper granite]

steel feels too slow for me

[jolly verge]

Steel is fine with full coverage now since they reduce acceleration penalty

[rocky plover]

with recent patch, its almost same speed to ceramic

unless you take heavy with full coverage

then that starts to feel of a difference

but steel with front and back isnt that far off from ceramic front and back

but if you add sides then ye there is a slight diff

[jolly verge]

0.48 seconds to gain top speed without armor or with only kevlar
0.56 seconds with full coverage ceramic
1.04 seconds with full coverage steel.
0.58 seconds with front only steel.
0.75 seconds with front/back steel

[stable kernel]

Kevlar gang rise up

(They can’t cause they are dead)

[rocky plover]

.5 for front only ceramic right

[jolly verge]

240÷475=0.5 yeah

[rocky plover]

so ye pretty much not a whole lot of difference unless you take side plates with steel as well

kind of a bummer, that to have sides you need back as well

front + sides without back would be nice xD

[jolly verge]

Would be cool if you could equip both ceramic and steel on different sides

That too

[rocky plover]

yea like steel front, ceramic back

but i guess it would make kevlar even more non existent lmao

[jolly verge]

But for now ballistic shield on your back

[jolly verge]

It's useless with bugged cap damage they still did not fix

[rocky plover]

yeah, but there's a risk that the shield actually ricochets into your back XD

[jolly verge]

Before it's was always damage cap to 70-50%>35 damage taken

[rocky plover]

no idea, never even used kevlar to begin with, might as well take stab vest for the extra slots at that point tbh

[jolly verge]

Damage is kinda low but yeah it hurts

[rocky plover]

ah i see

[surreal merlin]

i miss the old hotel map with the bombs 😭 🥹

[rocky plover]

same, I liked that map ngl

[surreal merlin]

same with port hokan/cheryessa farm

[rocky plover]

wenderly hills hotel ❤️

[rocky plover]

ye i preferred old port too, farm was nice too, not the AI though hahah but it was nice that it had both day and night version there

[surreal merlin]

afaik there are mods for hotel and farm

[rocky plover]

ye there is one for hotel, idk bout farm

idk if they are still updated though

[dapper granite]

they should def let us play old maps

kinda like a legacy thing

[rocky plover]

what I miss most bout them too, is the different modes they had

[surreal merlin]

yeeees that was so interesting

[dapper granite]

ngl the different modes sucked but at least it was something xD

I'd like if there were different time of day versions of maps or let us cut the power to the building or something idk

[rocky plover]

i feel like it gave more variety than now tbh

[surreal merlin]

that was in a trailer

cutting the power afaik

[rocky plover]

cutting the power was in trailer yeah and so are those speed ladders or whatever they are called

[dapper granite]

would make nods more useful since they're only good in like 5 missions rn

[rocky plover]

hopefully in the future we'll get those

[dapper granite]

I doubt it

[surreal merlin]

along with some type of drone (i think??) , 9 bangers and the ladders

[dapper granite]

the drone was just not fun to use I think thats why they cut it

and the nine banger was interesting idk why they cut that

we at least got the air support in dark waters though thats kinda like the drone

[rocky plover]

true

[dapper granite]

I'd like it if you could have the air supp's camera in the top right kinda like you can with head cams

[surreal merlin]

talking about dark waters, i honestly think the alternate infil animations (boat/helicopter) are so peak

[rocky plover]

you can

[dapper granite]

wait what

[surreal merlin]

you can

[dapper granite]

are you kidding me??

[rocky plover]

ye same button for other officer's POV

[surreal merlin]

cycle through their cameras until u reach the chopper

[rocky plover]

exactly

[dapper granite]

this entire time I've been opening the tablet like an idiot 😭

[rocky plover]

lmao

[dapper granite]

also speaking of this, they should backport those infil animations for base game levels that would fit them

[surreal merlin]

hotel mission has the helicopter for the roof entry

[dapper granite]

like have us come in with the chopper when coming from the roof on the hotel map or the boat if you're coming from the beach on ends of the earth

[dapper granite]

oh it does already?

[surreal merlin]

yes

[dapper granite]

void beat me to it then

[surreal merlin]

or you could arrive via helicopter to an urgent situation e.g elephant or something

idk really

[dapper granite]

bearcats make sense on elephant since we can already see them in the level

[surreal merlin]

well erase them and place a helicopter

[dapper granite]

problem solved xD

[surreal merlin]

but still doesnt really make sense

[rocky plover]

i mean tbh it shouldnt force you to spawn on a certain location to be able to use the helicopter cam

[dire knot]

where they gonna land

[dapper granite]

on the school

[surreal merlin]

lspd pilots don't even need space to land, they're way too god

[dapper granite]

air support is available no matter which spawnpoint you choose I'm pretty sure

[rocky plover]

oh ok

[dapper granite]

one thing I love about the new TOC voice is that his responses actually sound uneasy when you collect some of the freaky evidence

[surreal merlin]

terrifying job imo

[dapper granite]

i.e. voll's basement or the photos on michael's nightstand in 23 megabytes a second

[dapper granite]

I don't blame old toc for retiring lmao

[surreal merlin]

judge will never retire

[dapper granite]

I wonder how they'll continue the sleeper agent/MLO storyline

theres like a year and a half long time jump between home invasion and dark waters so they could definitely add more missions that actually take place before 3 letter triad too

[surreal merlin]

i remember a hole in a wall in the hq that shows a secret room full of computers or something, wonder what that really is

[dapper granite]

yeah that's been there since 1.0 and nothing's come out of it yet

also theres a pretty neat map on mod.io rn where you have to clear out the old dilapidated police station and I think something like that could even become official

[surreal merlin]

the old you mean the one in the early access versions?

[dapper granite]

yeah

[surreal merlin]

i gotta see that

[dapper granite]

it's called homeland

also when I played it the building felt waaay bigger than the current station is even

granted, most of the rooms probably served no purpose but it's more worldbuilding or whatever

[surreal merlin]

did we only have 2 headquarters?

this current one and the one featured in the map, no?

[dapper granite]

I think so?

I bought the game directly after 1.0 so playing this map was actually my first time in the old hq xD

[surreal merlin]

i love how the swat members outside have clothes and gear that dont even exist in the game, just with mods

[dapper granite]

also the guy at the shooting range with heavy armor on even tho he's off duty like bro take it off your shoulders will thank you xD

[rocky plover]

😂

[surreal merlin]

the old m4a1 too lmao

[dapper granite]

and not this one swat guy outside with an M4A1 without a mag in 😭

[rocky plover]

then the guy in the evidence room is with his legs on the table having coffee and donuts lmao

[surreal merlin]

also a gun that isnt even in the lspd's armory anymore

[dapper granite]

they're adding the carry handle back to the the mk18 at least

I wonder if we'll be able to mount optics onto the mk18 carry handle like with the g36 or if it'll be locked to ironsights only

[surreal merlin]

i doubt that

[lilac mural]

Has Void acknowledged that Team AI is broken? I dont remember it being this bad at the start of console launch but now it sometimes feels so bad that it makes me not want to play singleplayer.

[dapper granite]

I think they know, no idea if they're planning to do anything about it though

[surreal merlin]

no idea what they are doing but that's at the top of the list imo

watching the ai showcase video whatever at 1.0, they were like john wick on steroids

now they seem like rookies with 0 training

[dapper granite]

not just 0 training, 0 survival instincts too

[surreal merlin]

survival instincts of a hamburger

[lilac mural]

They need to do something to it because if the core gameplay is busted no matter how much content they put out gameplay experience is still bad.

[rocky plover]

either optic or carry handle (at leasts that's what it shows on the devs briefs)

[dapper granite]

"hold on I'm being shot at, lemme just stand here and assert my dominance maybe they'll run out of ammo eventually"

[dapper granite]

but the g36 carryhandle lets you mount more optics on it so like I dont see why they cant extend that to the mk18 too

[surreal merlin]

they always clip into each other at stacking, and when breaching one would say "I'M GOING" but not go into the room and travel half the map like ok bro where are u going? the bathroom?

[rocky plover]

sry I worded it wrongly, possible on g36, dont think so on mk18 but yea agree with you if its possible on 1 should be on the other one

[dapper granite]

when I tell them to flashbang and clear and they completely forget the flash:

[surreal merlin]

when i tell them to ram and launcher they forget what a ram is ;-;

[rocky plover]

or sometimes 1 will enter, the other will flash then enter and its a total shit show lol

[lilac mural]

Best one is when you tell them to clear a room with flash and point man enters the room when other one flashes his ass.. smh

[rocky plover]

instead of all entering after the flash

yeah lmao

[surreal merlin]

yeah thats annoying too

it just seems like they're upset with each other

so they flash their own teammates

[dapper granite]

literally trolling

[lilac mural]

But tbh it is kinda grazy because its like the skillcap is to play around the bugs.

[surreal merlin]

i swear agent nguyen mastered ragebait

[dapper granite]

that's his trait 😭

[surreal merlin]

it's always him or a dude named carter

[dapper granite]

btw in what order does the team enter a room if you tell them to stack up

[surreal merlin]

i mean theoretically split makes the 2 closest to the door first ig

[dapper granite]

cuz I have 1 shield on red and 1 on blue and I want those 2 to enter first since they can cover for the other ones without it but they never do that

[rocky plover]

you have to switch them yourself before the actual breach first

can switch between alpha,bravo,charlie,delta

[dapper granite]

well thats annoying

[lilac mural]

Im pretty sure you can individually command the shields to be first 2 of the stack and then they will enter

[rocky plover]

ye you can tell which to go at front or back of the stack

[surreal merlin]

can you do 3-1 stack though

by moving one to the 3rd spot on the other side (charlie i guess if doing split)

[rocky plover]

3-1 as in 3 left 1 right or vice versa?

[dapper granite]

technically if you tell red to stack up on the left and then blue to split maybe

but idk if that actually works

[rocky plover]

the closest to that is to make them stack all on 1 side then tell them to pie before going in

[surreal merlin]

In general

I think u stack, then issue a move command on one of them to the other side

[rocky plover]

not sure

could try to tell blue to split stack and red to stack on one side, never tried that so idk if it works

[surreal merlin]

That's logical

[rocky plover]

ye not sure if it overrides the previous command though, so not sure if it works

then again I dont play much with swat AI so didnt really test most of the commands, I mostly play solo or multiplayer

[surreal merlin]

I don't play mp because I don't have friends (who play this game)

[rocky plover]

try public multiplayer lobbies, thats how i met most of the guys I still play with

granted not all lobbies will be how you want them to be, but gotta try

[crimson sentinel]

Post an lfg here or Reddit man you’ll soon find people

If on Reddit tho don’t be posting your discord and Igs just let people message you

Speaking from experience you’ll get so many fake accounts adding you if you put your discord up for all to see

[surreal merlin]

Ok 🫡

[crimson sentinel]

I met a few cool groups of people from my country doing that for different games tho

Been in a disc of like 20-30 for over 5 years now all from making a shitty little Reddit post

Small but solid bunch. You just gotta put out there what you’re into and you’ll soon find plenty of little groups brother

[surreal merlin]

That will be my move then

[crimson sentinel]

Also worth checking the #📌unit-promo channel

Good thing about those is you can join a discord and get a feel for the people before committing any time to play to make sure they’re your kinda people

[urban pumice]

I genuinely can’t figure out for the life of me how to get an A on Hide and Seek. I didn’t miss any evidence, even the drug and weapon and missing person crates. I genuinely can’t figure it out.

[jolly verge]

Stop killing every single suspect and you will get higher grade

[obtuse loom]

pretty sure you cant get a A if your shot a few times too right?

[rocky plover]

Depends on the amount of suspects (it's possible to get an A+ by killing some and arresting some) ofc the more you arrest the more likely of having a better grade

[rancid carbon]

Anybody tryna play RON rn on PS5?

[tidal sleet]

Love that I can raid a meth house as a beat cop

[primal gate]

Trying to do the toxic fumes achievement

I did exactly what the achievement asked for and I didn't get it

Is there a catch to it or something?

[tidal sleet]

ok so what do you have equipped

[primal gate]

Vpl 25, gas mask, gas canisters

Literally nothing else equipped

[tidal sleet]

I believe you can’t use a secondary or any long tactical

[primal gate]

There was no ammo in my secondary

I put all ammo in the vpl or cs gas

[tidal sleet]

What about long tactical

[tired jungle]

Achievements in ron are just scuffed

I can't get it either no matter what

[tidal sleet]

I know for the Way out West achievement you can’t use any equipment including lockpicks

[tired jungle]

Yeah

I've got that one but the same rules don't seem to apply here

[robust apex]

yo when AI swat hotfix holy shit they are dumb on some maps

[brazen turret]

Did they ever mention when multi rail will be releasing

[tidal sleet]

had 1 round left in my revolver and got a headshot on a suspect

[primal gate]

Got the achievement

It's the same rules as out west

Get everyone to lockpick for you

[tidal sleet]

had a feeling that was why it wasn’t popping

[elfin lotus]

wow

[tidal sleet]

I mean when you’ve put over 200hrs into a game the achievements are kinda obvious how to get them, especially the ones that tell you what you can use

[maiden sequoia]

You literally can't do anything but shoot someone, gas someone and bash someone

Nvm

[tidal sleet]

yeah the game tells you how to get it

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh but it doesn't say what invalidates it

[tidal sleet]

yeah that’s the only problem with it

[maiden sequoia]

Way out west. I didn't get it cuz I used
A. My mirror gun
B. Switched weapons by accident mid run

[tidal sleet]

Gotta love how slow you reload

fuck pretty sure I can reload faster

[primal gate]

I'm trying to get the emperor achievement now

How many people do I have to fire until I get a kicker or veteran ffs?

[primal gate]

My game seems to be allergic to giving me a veteran trait

I've played at least 10 rounds of 4U and I have yet to see a Veteran traited officer

[maiden sequoia]

How are you struggling with vet when I managed to get 4 in a row

[primal gate]

It took me 8 4U's to get a kicker

and I've given up on getting a Vet this evening

[tough veldt]

Just run lethal obession on hard mode and have your squad trigger one of the trapped doors

Its kills all 4

Takes like a minute and extricate from the spawn point

[primal gate]

I know I can do that but I admit I don't have the heart to

[maiden sequoia]

they are expendable

Remember all the times they walked in front of a suspect and reloaded and got murked

[normal igloo]

Lmao

Hey yall im trying to do a patrol officer loadout challenge cause im bored. Any specific maps that are good for this?

Doing it solo

Making my ai team hold at entrance

[primal gate]

Not really, I tend to go through doors first so I usually tank all the damage

[tough veldt]

You could just back up your save. After you get the achievement, just load up your back up

[deep saddle]

Console: Double tap reload button

It dumps the whole current mag without saving any leftovers, but you put in an entire new mag

[tidal sleet]

No even that is still fucking slow

[tidal sleet]

also I don’t even have a console role

[deep saddle]

Ok mb

Get to the most cover possible, pack some wedges to prevent suspects from one tapping you

[tidal sleet]

Fuck wedges, also doesn’t help if they rush you and shank you to death

[deep saddle]

Then your on ur own

[tidal sleet]

can’t outrun a meth head with a knife

[fallow cypress]

skill issue

[soft thunder]

Okay hear me out but lowk what if pepperballs gave a guaranteed stun on groin shots

[primal gate]

One thing I've noticed about this game is that it sorta overdoes it with the recoil with some guns

[soft thunder]

Like come on, who is gonna move after getting hit down there

[primal gate]

Most 5.56's I've shot do not recoil as much as their RoN equivalents

and the MP5A2 in the game has more recoil than its real life equivalent in full auto

[soft thunder]

One of the guns I have no clue what its called again G4a16? fuck if I know it has a khaki barrel I hate that gun its recoil feels unnatural

[primal gate]

What The A2 had a lot of in my experience was horizontal recoil, it liked pulling off to the left but it had no vertical recoil

[soft thunder]

and balancing it to give it more "Natural" recoil ain't even the issue considering when the enemies are going full auto are able to absolutely decimate you from afar

Like during the hotel mission one of our guys literally got shot and killed at the stairs from a guy at a window from afar

we were still outside and he managed to hit that from like atleast a good 40m out or more

[primal gate]

I haven't shot a piston AR yet so I can't really say for certain but considering 5.56 feels very soft and smooth to shoot, I'd have to agree

[tidal sleet]

all of them, I have better recoil control than he characters with the same guns

[primal gate]

Unrelated, I'm hoping they add a Stacatto to the game at some point, considering that the actual LAPD SWAT team adopted them

[tidal sleet]

give it about a year for them to even consider it

[primal gate]

another I'm hoping for is any 10mm pistol

Maybe a Gen 5 G20 since there isn't a full sized Glock in the game yet

[tidal sleet]

Speaking of Glock it’s funny how they did the very bare minimum so they can’t get sued for people putting switches on the gen V’s

[soft thunder]

2011's are so fuckin cool...

Honestly I was exposed to them by john wick but i'd wanna buy one

[primal gate]

It was just a stopgap until they revealed the Gen 6 a few days ago

[soft thunder]

I don't want them to add the smaller version though, Staccato P is the full sized iirc

14+1

[primal gate]

I've shot a Staccato XC, it was buttery smooth, had minimal recoil thanks to the integrated comp but the ergos were a bit too clunky for my tastes

its basically just an obese 1911 in terms of ergonomics

[soft thunder]

Yeah I'd be more surprised if it wasn't chunky, being able to hold 15 rounds of 45 acp?

gahlee 😭 imagine a slim version of that without needing some form of extended mag

[primal gate]

it was in 9mm

[tidal sleet]

yeah that’s the main difference it’s only there so certain states can’t ban them for dumb reasons

[soft thunder]

Oh ew they need to lock in then

[primal gate]

What do you think of the Gen 6 so far anyways?

I quite like what I saw personally

other than the slide finish, which still looks cheap compared to the Gen 4

[tidal sleet]

I’m pretty sure with the switches it’s been found it has a higher fire rate than the Gen 5

[thorn egret]

Just had a glitch where I spawned in with all of my gear missing

First at the department, my shotgun was missing, was trying to mess with my loadout to fix that, and then the mission started and I had nothing

Decided to run at the suspects (Neon Tomb) and get myself blown up to save my teammates lmao

[onyx swift]

[maiden sequoia]

Pistol

Or even better supernova

Can't be a meth head if he got no head

[stone bay]

reaction time of a goldfish

[stoic river]

No genuinely that happened to me once

In the fkn meth invasion mission i was walking up stairs and the hobo came outta nowhere and shanked me

Cus i was only looking forward but he came from the left and right infront i had an impossible reaction windoe

[stone bay]

the twisted nerve one

[stoic river]

Yh that one

Now im stuck on idles and march i might js be a noob 😭

[stone bay]

i jus wait outside the window at the entrance for like 5 min and jus shoot them

[stone bay]

ides of march would be 10x easier if you didnt have to arrest 3 of them

[stoic river]

Do u have s rank on all the missions?

[stone bay]

yeah but not in ironman mode

[stoic river]

Damn fairs

[stone bay]

i play with the no mercy mod now

so i dont need to use non lethal for s runs

[tidal sleet]

can’t if you can reload from empty quicker

[tidal sleet]

Try reloading while being shanked

[stone bay]

well then just say no lol

[stoic river]

Icl the developers cooked other than the telltale games and gta v this is the only game ive played that actually makes me question the world around me

[stone bay]

i recomend using the fear ai overhaul mod with gunfighter

makes the game a lot more realistic

[wind gyro]

and they say the game is dead

[river heart]

• [Fixes Prepared] Floating blood and spent casings predominantly on consoles

Straight out of known issues somewhere posted in September. It's December now, got back in the game after not playing for quite a few months. I have these issues lol. Well the bullet casings at the very least, didn't even get on a mission cuz the frame rate was basically a slideshow

Dunno wtf happened since the prior time I played, it was all just fine but now I'd say it's unplayable with this frame rate alone

[late prism]

I've never had frame issues on RoN so you sure that's not just you? Only real issue I've seen is the floating casings.

[river heart]

I didn't have any either until I came back to this game last week lol

[late prism]

I don't want to pull the "I haven't had this issue so it doesn't exist card" but idk how widespread frame issues are because I've only heard about them on this discord every now and then, people I've played with never said anything about it.

[river heart]

It was really choppy and that was me just walking by myself to redo part of the training, cuz I forgot most of the controls, and shoot a bit

I don't know what I would have changed of a ps5 version on a game to be a pretty isolated case of frame rate issues lol

[marsh lark]

They will not release a patch just to fix that

[river heart]

And why wouldn't they? Seems a bit silly to let it linger while it affects a decent sized player base just cuz it's not enough bugs to fix in 1 go?

[jolly verge]

#👮ron-discussion message

[late prism]

I think all patches they do come with the updates afaik

[wicked kiln]

,

[river heart]

That's fair enough. Still kind of annoying but I get it

[late prism]

I honestly don't know I could be making this up.

[marsh lark]

It is fixed, and will be included in the next update.

[river heart]

Hmm well. So that's cool. How do I fix my frame rate on a ps5 game that basically gives me limited to no frame rate options compared to PC ?

[marsh lark]

Your game is running bad or?

[river heart]

Yea it's choppy. Not fluent movement at all.

And that was me just redoing part of training to refresh controls, couldn't bother to try a mission like that

[marsh lark]

Not sure, but only Void might know

[jolly verge]

Did you tried to set graphics to fidelity and then back to performance mode?

[marsh lark]

But I feel like this is going to be the case of where 100 people with the same hardware play the game fine, and the 101th person is going to run like shit

[river heart]

I used to play it for quite a few months since release, totally fine. Then I just kinda stopped as my friends found other games to play

[river heart]

Used to be fine lol

[river heart]

I normally set all my games on performance and just leave it there but I'll try that

[marsh lark]

Well, nothing changed since the console release tbh. Only bug fixes and graphic fixes

[junior palm]

Same problem here,worked fine now runs like garbage

[river heart]

I figured they might have broken smth during one of their updates tbf lol

[marsh lark]

Weird.

[jolly verge]

Some options in game are bugged, if you have something disabled it's still can be enabled and vise versa. Same thing with graphics mode, you have it on performance but in fact it's using fidelity

[marsh lark]

It is possible, but I reckon we do not have many reports of consoles running into outrageous performance issues

[junior palm]

Also I played yesterday, shoot the guy in the face 3 times and he just eats my bullets and kills the hostage, idk wtf is going on

[river heart]

I'll try it again rn. And just switch the performance mode to fidelity and back, see if that does anything. I'd send a video clip but well it'd be too big to send through discord

[jolly verge]

Aim assist issue

Controller related bug only, your shots can go in any direction or even backwards

[junior palm]

I'll be back in a year, hope they fix it

[late prism]

Damn, I had noticed that where I lined a 7.62 up with a mans chest on hunger strike and he only responded to the noise.

[jolly verge]

In any other case it's either ping or skill issue

[valid raven]

can somebody send that link for that one spreadsheet with all the weapons statistics?

[river heart]

This might have worked, feels better atm

[valid raven]

I cant find it

[jolly verge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=drivesdk

It's pinned btw

[valid raven]

Thank you

[river heart]

This has to be a joke lol

[valid raven]

Where is it pinned?

also, I’m surprised how many people do not realize that morale is a mechanic

So when I put C2 on doors that are already unlocked to scare suspects people say its a waste

[jolly verge]

In this channel by Mr Eman

[late prism]

Yeah there's something about it on a poster in the tutorial I believe

Actually I might be thinking of the noise levels poster

[valid raven]

I don’t think people realize that it does a lot of morale damage

[jolly verge]

Some posters actually useful, some spread misinformation

[torpid onyx]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

near the end of the clip

[valid raven]

is it possible for suspects to have really high levels of morale and take a huge amount of non-lethals to give up?

[river heart]

Nothing a bean bag to the face won't fix 😏

[valid raven]

you know you’re supposed to aim for the body with those right?

[torpid onyx]

you can both hear the shot hit flesh and see his face get completely covered in blood and bro just tanks it

[jolly verge]

Suspects will surrender most of the times even with max morale from just stun alone

[river heart]

Ofc, it was a joke, I got a knack of getting accidental headshots with them when the suspects lean over after the first beanbag tho 😆

[valid raven]

I tried to aim low like the legs or lower chest

That way you’re less likely to accidentally slip

[valid raven]

it doesn’t necessarily even have to be in the sten radius. It just has to be nearby.

like if they hear a flashbang go off, they may give up even if they’re not in the effective radius

[late prism]

The other day I watched my friend dome a civilian with a beanbag, we already had bring order to chaos.

[valid raven]

Flash bang is the most versatile throwable less lethal

It’s not amazing at any situation, but it’s decent in most situations

[river heart]

That's fair. I did all S ranks with the beanbag. Tried the pepper balls but just missing that punch.

[valid raven]

Is it still effective if you land near the suspect, even if it’s not directly on them

[river heart]

Ah man, that one hurts

[valid raven]

I know real life wise it is

[rocky plover]

Sometimes it's also a factor of your LOS to the enemy (like if they don't register to you yelling at them as in it feels like it's not working after shooting them or banging them) or how close you are (let's say to an s-vest or knife suspects for example) but usually a stun for what ever less-lethal should make them comply.

[valid raven]

does putting around near the suspect work?

[torpid onyx]

pepperballs are straight Dookie they're so Inconsistant at times atleast if I hit a beanbag (and there not any wacky shenanigans going on) it should stun the person on the spot

[jolly verge]

That will just increase their stress, to affect morale they need to be in grenade radius

[valid raven]

Although I know it’s better to avoid that because it stresses anyone out in gunshot range

stress and morale are different mechanics, right?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[rocky plover]

Yea think of it like a balance scale

[late prism]

I think it does, I've seen it work with civillians. In the past if they're wearing a vest I have been known to put a round into the vest to help "persuade" them.

It worked, sometimes.

[valid raven]

That’s probably not the best idea though

[late prism]

Then on the mansion I shot a guy thinking he had a vest, he did not.

[valid raven]

considering bullets still do damage even if you have a vest on

granted the bullet won’t kill you but it will hurt

[river heart]

Yea, only time I had a real struggle was the postal office outside warehouse area, very open to be using a beanbag shotgun. I did bring a backup shield with some pepper ball pistol ammo for that

[valid raven]

you probably know the doctrine and everyone’s a potential threat until proven otherwise right

[river heart]

I hated that mission ngl

[valid raven]

some people prefer the military Roe wherever everyone who is not military is a target

But we are cops not soldiers

[late prism]

Oh greased palms? Yeah I think everyone does.

[rocky plover]

Well even cops tbh that's why civilians are also restrained

[river heart]

It's great but to get an S rank. It's awful lol

[rocky plover]

Not just military,

[valid raven]

Although our SWAT team is actually quite small

[river heart]

Yea that one

[valid raven]

5 people in a team but locations often have more than one team

And they have a specific path assigned to each team

[late prism]

As Martincitopants put it Military CQC is "I need you to go into that building, and kill everyone" whilst police CQC is "I need you to go into that building and NOT kill everyone". Which is a massive simplification but yeah.

[rocky plover]

Yeah it's a game at the end of the day, irl you ain't seeing just 5 dudes going to arrest 20 suspects 🤣

[late prism]

Yeah if you listen to TOC you can hear him talk about other teams at the start of a mission sometimes, like on buy cheap buy twice I think he mentions another team that failed to get in.

[valid raven]

SWAT is actually hard to get into

Most departments don’t let anyone in below the rank of Sergeant

So everyone there is actually a police NCO

[rocky plover]

Yes I know but you still ain't seeing just 5 dudes on their own

[valid raven]

There’s also usually an extraction team, pulling out people who have been restrained

because the moment they restrained, police can only hold the maximum of 24 hours without a charge that starts immediately

[rocky plover]

Yea or who's injured etc..

[valid raven]

They want to pull them out ASAP

and that’s why they have a dedicated team doing it

I heard storyline wise the police department is incredibly understaffed

And that may be why thore is only one team

In some levels, it makes sense though if it’s like a small gas station

[marsh lark]

Not the only team

[valid raven]

is there a name for the tactic of you get in there and put guns in their face it just start screaming

[marsh lark]

It is more or less that D squad is the most successful one.

[valid raven]

Like the idea is that you overwhelm them with stimulation so they can’t think

[river heart]

Yolo.. lol

[valid raven]

No, I mean, like what is the actual name of the tactic?

Its a fairly common swat tattic

[marsh lark]

what

[rocky plover]

You are referring to overwhelming force?

[river heart]

Psychological warfare? Lol honestly wouldn't know the proper term

[rocky plover]

Like speed and surprise

[valid raven]

Something like that

[jolly verge]

Dynamic entry?

[marsh lark]

dynamic

[valid raven]

also, why are some civilians so stubborn to surrender

[rocky plover]

Yeah basically dynamic

[rocky plover]

Just bash them with whatever and yell together

[tidal sleet]

I’ve recently caused a suspect to put a shotgun to his chin and pull the trigger somehow

[valid raven]

Like like do they not expect to get pepper sprayed or something

[river heart]

Ngl. I just put a beanbag in em or a single melee, ain't got time for that song and dance with every civy

[valid raven]

Speaking of which did they put dye in pepper spray or is it just an orange color on its own?

[jolly verge]

High morale, spefic archetype or you too far awar

[rocky plover]

They like to do it a lot on neon tomb and relapse

[valid raven]

Are those archetypes randomized?

I know, suspect location and patrol pads and stuff are random. Every time you play the mission to replay value

[tidal sleet]

No it was a suspect from Gas

[valid raven]

because I’ve heard sometimes pepper spray has dye added to it

That’s hard to wash off

[jolly verge]

It's tied to civilian, suspect on mission, it's not randomized

[valid raven]

Can you tell which civilian is going to do what?

[rocky plover]

Lol then you really must have stressed him to the max and he still had high morale too

[mental ivy]

lmao

[jolly verge]

Civilians will always surrender on bash that zero their morale

[mental ivy]

citizens on the voll house are way more likely to do the phone reach for wallet meme thing

[tidal sleet]

also on the mission where you go after Brixley

can’t remember the name

[rocky plover]

Brixley talent time

[tidal sleet]

yeah

pretty forgetable mission unlike the later missions

[rocky plover]

Or the spider whatever you prefer to go to by name

[rocky plover]

Really? I like that mission

[tidal sleet]

takes me like a few minutes to complete with not much to remember when going through it a few times

[cedar mulch]

To be honest, I reckon the Spider Organisation's real name probably isn't Spider.

It is more like a symbolic emblem.

[urban mural]

I think after the buyers got bored or tired of the victims they prob end up killing them.

[gleaming fable]

gang, is it just me or keybinds reset after closing the game.

[rocky plover]

Mine don't, try to reset all binds to default, then change to how you want them avoid the clear button when rebinding

[quasi coral]

Always, and I think the only fix is to reset the binds like what Full Metal said

[gleaming fable]

cool. ill try that

[quasi coral]

But if yer got tons of changes to your keyset, I recommend you write down a list of all the keybinds youv'e changed, just in-case

[rocky plover]

Yea, that's what I did, since they like to reset them with every major update every now and then.

[late prism]

Has anybody else noticed all of the water (the bath, the hot tub and the leak in the water tanks) in Ides of March looks like liquid mercury?

[jolly verge]

Yes

[tired jungle]

Have you noticed that the graphics are pretty bad in some areas

[rocky plover]

@surreal pelican it's one of the variants from the default vest, the LSPD LB vest black
@jolly verge ah I see, sorry my bad, deleted my comment in that channel.

[cedar zodiac]

Looks delicious

[late prism]

I know right?

I honestly don’t want them to change it because it’s really funny to me.

[jolly verge]

Seems fine for me

[gleaming fable]

it do be like that

[marsh lark]

Wait, you do not see shit like this IRL?

I guess I live on an outdated server then

[late prism]

Maybe you need to update your drivers then

[jolly verge]

At least it not that scary as this

[rocky plover]

Man had a wild ride in the evidence room 🤣

[fallow cypress]

How mfs with Ն̵̀͆̎͗ա̸̒̇̐̄,̶͗͊̐̈ ̵̊̀̏͝ո̵̓̑̓͐վ̸͑̓̇̓ ̸͊̍̓͝վ̴̤̿͗̕ե̶͊̆̿̄ր̸̦͖̽͘ջ̵͕͍̞̃ ̴̃̐̅կդնի ̴͌̀̅̓մ̷͎̃̀ͅե̵̻̓̈́͑զ̴̈́̐͒͠ բո̌̋́լ̶͆͆̕̚ո̷͆րի̢̈́͘͝ս̵̋̃̌͝ look at you

[urban pumice]

I ended up making them surrender by throwing CS gas in before shooting them with beanbags

[jolly verge]

Cs gas 🤮

[gleaming fable]

fart gas

[late prism]

I tried using gas the other day I just can’t seem to be effective with it.

Also they play dead, a lot.

[rocky plover]

Yeah range is now bad and it takes longer for the full effect to work

[red kayak]

Where big d

[fallow cypress]

I want the devs to nerf the flash grenade launchers but I also want to be able to S rank every level in hard mode on first try

[surreal pelican]

Thanks 🙏

[surreal pelican]

One of the contract said something like "8 years monitored"

[surreal pelican]

Could be

[rocky plover]

You're welcome

[gusty marten]

"need you to slide over"

[stoic river]

Nah

Even as a casual player if u dont analyse anything beyond depth you feel the adrenaline constantly your still immersed into the experience

Analysing the beyond part is just an extra reward that i think the devs want players to really do

[wind gyro]

i mean the game on steam itself has average 5k players

with it having bigger and bigger peaks now up to 7k instead of 5k

24h peaks of course

it just dips on mondays a bit

[stone bay]

fix your game

second time its crashed

[latent crescent]

skill issue, ive only crashed once and that was a mod problem

[latent crescent]

i prefer jug’s ai

lets u one shot and lets u get one shot too

[marsh lark]

If you are not going to provide any information, then don't expect someone to help you.

"game is crashing" is really not useful

[latent crescent]

tiny problem with it is that if u can speedrun it and still shred everyone because the ai just stand there in shock

too abusable

[eternal obsidian]

Do we have a release date for the upcoming update?

[jolly verge]

[maiden sequoia]

They're just edging us

They like watching us foam at the mouth for content

[dreamy yoke]

i love modded weapons cause why am I able to have a 60rnd magazine in a rifle

[wide verge]

played with 3 randoms, all of them used the SCAR-H. They kept spraying on full auto and were complaining they didnt hit anything

[rocky plover]

😂

[dreamy yoke]

skill issue

[stone rivet]

why does sinuous trail lag so much

[dapper granite]

why do so many people use the scar-H even

like there are other battle rifles in the game why always that one

give the G3 some love

[tacit gull]

it look cool

[thick dome]

the ga51 is king in looks and function

[tacit gull]

it just looks like an inflated mp5a3

the socom would be the hottest if it didn't have that butt ugly rail spanning the entire gun

[vital aurora]

At the end people use what they enjoy using 🤷‍♂️

[dapper granite]

so when I play with mods and it says "unofficial score", does that actually do something or nah

cuz I heard it still updates your best rank

[jolly verge]

Does nothing

[rocky plover]

Nah not really, cos achievements wise they still work etc

[jolly verge]

You literally can hide this text with another mod if you want

[dapper granite]

also is the game supposed to be this laggy with mods?

had to drop down my settings to medium and it still sometimes stutters when I check my mag or fire for example

[jolly verge]

Depends, some mods might conflicting with each other

[dapper granite]

I only have 1 mod on

no others installed

[rocky plover]

Thought u were gonna say like 300

[jolly verge]

And it's called?

[rocky plover]

🤣

[dapper granite]

the no mercy for terrorists one

wanted to try out how it works

[dapper granite]

nah I'm not really a mod guy

[jolly verge]

Nah, problem is on your side then

[rocky plover]

One mod shouldn't make much of a difference

[rocky plover]

Ye I get you, me neither

[dapper granite]

yeah normally I play with fully max settings and get like 200 fps easy

now it constantly stutters when doing certain actions even on medium graphics

[rocky plover]

Try again without the mod and see if issue persists I guess

[dapper granite]

it doesn't thats the thing

[jolly verge]

If it's stops in safemode then it's might be the mod, tho I did not have any issue or performance drop with like hundred of mods including the one that modify ai

[dapper granite]

were you using nexus mods or mod.io for them

[jolly verge]

No mercy is simply changing score table

[rocky plover]

Weird

[jolly verge]

Always nexus + some of them were self-made

[dapper granite]

could mod.io be the problem?

[rocky plover]

Could be, it's trash imo

[jolly verge]

Idk, why using mod.io at all?

[dapper granite]

I don't really trust nexus that much. Mostly because of myself though, I have no idea how modding works normally. One time I tried modding a different game through nexus and then when I uninstalled the mod it bricked my entire save lol

so idk I'm sure it's better than mod.io just I don't really do mods much anyway so why use it

[rocky plover]

Well I get how you feel cos I don't trust mods in general but it's safe, I used it a couple times

[jolly verge]

Well you just download a PAK file and paste it in the same location like any other mod

If it's broken/outdated your game just won't start up

That it

[rocky plover]

Yea as he said^ and when you want to remove it just go in paks folder and remove it from there without removing the original games Pak files

[dapper granite]

I guess if it's that simple I could try it again sometime

[jolly verge]

There is a whole FAQ btw https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1295497662208016468

[dapper granite]

I really wanna try out more community maps in this game but rn mod.io only has like 2 lol

[rocky plover]

Don't worry it looks scary since you never done it, but it's actually easy, takes longer downloading the actual mod than putting it in the correct directory

[dapper granite]

I think I used it like twice if I remember correctly

once for mafia, lost my save there when I tried to uninstall it, the other time for doom eternal and that one worked alright

then they added official mod support for doom so I didn't have to use it anymore

[rocky plover]

Never tried it for the mafia games, maybe it's like how it was in the old ground branch way when it still didn't have a steam workshop, you sometimes had to delete the original games files and replace with mods and then if you remove the mod you need to put back the original file or else it gets corrupted.

[dapper granite]

maybe, but that was like 5 years ago now so doesn't matter anyway xD

[dapper granite]

my man just let this suspect walk up to him with an m4 and shoot him in the back of the head 😭

no situational awareness

and he had his shield up too which makes it even worse like BRO JUST TURN AROUND

[rocky plover]

🤣🤣

[dapper granite]

lowkey contemplating on whether I should just try S ranking this solo

but then I cant use my team as a wall hmmm

[unreal oxide]

is ready or not really censored a bit?

[rocky plover]

Which map

[dapper granite]

just a bit

[dapper granite]

still hide and seek on hard

[rocky plover]

You got the m32a1 flash launcher?

[dapper granite]

nah beanbag

[rocky plover]

Ah ok, you could try using shield yourself and bait the suspects while the Swat AI light them up with either beanbag or pepper rifle

[unreal oxide]

I hope ready or not gets more realiistic defo, a similar ragdoll that of GTA IV or euphoria

[rocky plover]

Cos I don't trust the swat Ai with shield that much

But if you have the m32a1 available I would just use that for yourself and for the whole team

[dapper granite]

I give 2 of my guys beanbags and the other 2 launchers

cuz I noticed they cant spam shoot with the launcher like they sometimes do with the single shot one for whatever reason

so they can bypass the reload on that one when they need it but when they have 6 barrels suddenly their fingers dont work

[rocky plover]

Cos they wait too long until they start to get lit up by the suspects again for them to fire again lol

I would go with 5 flash launchers if you can though

[dapper granite]

one thing I noticed that sometimes happens is that a suspect gets instantly arrested at the beginning of the run

and it just gives me points even though I just started

[rocky plover]

Sometimes that happens to me with civs and evidence

[dapper granite]

I think with evidence its only when it falls through the map or something

[rocky plover]

Ye could be

[dapper granite]

like you cant retrieve it anymore so theres a trigger to auto secure it in that case

[rocky plover]

Yea

[dapper granite]

swan died again

ffs why is it always swan

[rocky plover]

True lmao

He's the one on blue team right?

[dapper granite]

yeah

[rocky plover]

Ye I swear I always lose one of the guys on blue team first most of the time lol

[dapper granite]

red team is just built different ig

[rocky plover]

I guess xd

[hybrid belfry]

Red team is what if King Von was a cop

[dapper granite]

and ironically the other guy on blue is called "king"

[tidal sleet]

I feel like the JHP rounds do less damage to unarmored suspects than AP

[rocky plover]

jhp have more base damage

especially on limbs

[tidal sleet]

Took over 5 rounds to stop a unarmored suspect compared to 3 with AP on the torso

[rocky plover]

same caliber however?

[tidal sleet]

yes

[rocky plover]

that's weird

jhp should work the same if not better not the opposite on unarmored

[jolly verge]

On what map exactly?

And which caliber

[tidal sleet]

Gas station and meth house with 9mm

running as a beat cop that doesn’t have a long gun

[jolly verge]

You missing your shots, it's both 3 torso shots to incap with AP and JHP

[tidal sleet]

No I hit 5 times and they’re still standing

[rocky plover]

well range might have played a factor but still JHP should perform better in those maps anyways

[primal gate]

got the emperor achivement this morning

[rocky plover]

nice

[primal gate]

now onto big shell specialist and sleeper agent

[jolly verge]

It's 3 hits exactly unless you too far away

[tidal sleet]

Ok explain how I get ceramic when I’m not running armor?

[jolly verge]

The difference is that AP will incap in 8-9 limbs shots while JHP in 3-4

[jolly verge]

[rocky plover]

big shell is very easy, good luck on sleeper agent though it's a bit of a challenge

[tidal sleet]

Hate I can only irons with a mod that allows me to use pistols for my primary

[rocky plover]

the armorer gave you JHP with barely enough gun powder in them 😂

[tidal sleet]

I think that’s the case because I know I’m hitting but nothing happens

[rocky plover]

since you said 9mm, range might be the only explanation

[jolly verge]

Feel free to post a clip of that

[jolly verge]

The big damage drop with 9mm starts only after 24m

[rocky plover]

yeah ik, but weird that he said jhp took more shots than ap on unarmored

[jolly verge]

It's oblivious why

[rocky plover]

so i guess range played a factor, if he said he's certain he hit his shots

[jolly verge]

Unless he's on controller

[rocky plover]

or that ye XD

[tidal sleet]

Fuck controller

forgot I didn’t change it back to where it wouldn’t play anything but the game audio so there’s gonna be music in it

[rocky plover]

not blaming your aim, but pistols are a little bit weird when rapid fired, so even though it looks like you're on target, not all shots go to where you think they went

which 9mm pistol was it?

[tidal sleet]

G19

[rocky plover]

hmm, my above comment still stands, but if you would have said 509, I would have blamed that

[tidal sleet]

In the clip I was taking my time

Second half is where it happens, I just posted the whole thing to show I’m using JHP

[rocky plover]

those are limb shots however

did you hit all 3, maybe 1 missed?

[tidal sleet]

Kinda hard to tell since forced to use irons

[rocky plover]

i couldnt tell if he was flinching cos he got shot or cos of being scared of the gunshot itself, that's why

[tidal sleet]

mainly the gunshot TOC woulda yelled at me if I hit the prisoner

[rocky plover]

and on the first part, was he already previously injured or a "fresh" civilian

[tidal sleet]

I believe injured

wait no fresh

[rocky plover]

you sure? cos he died in 2 shots when it should be 3

[tidal sleet]

Takes 2 for me for some reason

for both hollows and FMJ

[rocky plover]

it can be 2 with JHP but on torso

unless maybe you have other mods than effect all of this

[tidal sleet]

Possibly Gunfighter

I have a lot of mods

like 69 mods in total

from nexus

[jolly verge]

Civilians have 200 health only

[jolly verge]

At 1.5 meters, basically hugging the suspect

[tidal sleet]

yeah kinda hard to test on suspects since they’re semi random

[rocky plover]

ye gunfighter effects ammunition damage so there's that

[jolly verge]

There is no need to test, we already have a spreadsheet with every outcome

Not to mention that you trying to test with mods that might modify ammo or curve damage

[rocky plover]

(1)Ammunition Adjustment;
Increase "Hit Chance" and limb damage of all ammunition, will significantly increase the Stopping Power(the suspect will tend to react,stop what they are doing after being shot, rather than fighting back like Iron Man);
All ammunition (especially JHP) has a certain dismemberment ability, but it still requires quite a few shots to achieve;
(5)9mm AP/JHP minor overhual;
Slightly boost their damage curve, improve their performance beyond 30-50m.

that's why it takes you 2 shots, instead of 3

and most likely is not consistent every time cos of the hit chance

[copper silo]

what exactly does allowing modded players do

can you see modfits now

[dapper granite]

suspects on hide and seek dont wear armor do they?

[rocky plover]

nope

[dapper granite]

so then why are they able to tank 1 shot of 7.62 into the chest or shoulders

in jhp*

[rocky plover]

they can on hard

[dapper granite]

is there like a decreased damage cap from players?

[rocky plover]

on hard requires 2 shots to incap them, irrelevant if its 5.56 or 7.62

[dapper granite]

I got fed up with the S rank runs so I just took a battle rifle and went to shoot everyone up

[rocky plover]

cos they have more base HP

[dapper granite]

first I thought I was tweaking or something so I switched to jhp bullets since they should be more effective against unarmored targets but they're still able to tank one shot

[rocky plover]

on hard i would prefer a more controllable rifle, since both 5.56/.300/7.62 take 2 shots

[dapper granite]

now I know why

also playing with nods has actually made me sick, the low FOV is horrible

[rocky plover]

nvgs or gpnvgs?

[dapper granite]

raised my world fov a little so now it's pretty much the same as before

[dapper granite]

I usually run gpnvgs for open maps and normal nvgs for smaller ones like twisted nerve

[rocky plover]

the only exception is sullivans slope, where its 3 shots, 2 for 7.62

[dapper granite]

so gpnvgs now

[rocky plover]

i kinda hate the tunnel vision on the nvgs so i just go with gpnvgs and sometimes i also hate the gpnvgs and prefer a flashlight

[dapper granite]

the tunnel vision is fine I think, but the lower fov is what does it for me

also in smaller rooms you dont really notice anyway

[rocky plover]

yea i play on 120 fov and i still hate how the nvg's kinda zoom in

[dapper granite]

I normally play on 105 fov

so its even worse there xD

[rocky plover]

true

[dapper granite]

put it up to 120 for now

[rocky plover]

i also disabled ADS zoom, i hate it

[dapper granite]

same

but thats because the zoom disorients me

[rocky plover]

1. its less realistic
2. split second frame fluctuation
3. less situational awareness while ADS

[dapper granite]

I just tried to tell a dead suspect to move over to me 😭

[rocky plover]

😅

[dapper granite]

I'm cooked

[floral peak]

Man, is there any information about next update/dlc?

[rocky plover]

content wise ye (some), time wise no

[floral peak]

Hol up, there is some info?

Lemme hear it

[dapper granite]

small attachment system overhaul

[marsh lark]

Absolute gibberish

"tip of pencil and hot water"

That is your potential DLC

have fun

[floral peak]

🥀

Surely something on new year

Surely

[dapper granite]

you'll be able to mount multiple attachment on the barrel, canted sight optics (most likely just ironsights), adjustable zoom on lpvos and carryhandles for mk18 and g36c

thats pretty much all that's been revealed

[floral peak]

I heard of multiple attachments

Other things are nice too

[dapper granite]

*note: mounting the carryhandle on the g36 will let you use more optics than there are currently available

[floral peak]

Nice

[dapper granite]

I hope we'll at least get some more maps though

that and a swat ai fix please

they are dumb dumb

[floral peak]

Yeah, I’m sure ready for new maps to hard s rank

Surely nothing harder than greased palms/3 letter triad

[rocky plover]

ikr XD

[dapper granite]

this hide and seek run is actually looking kinda promising

[floral peak]

You better continue completing instead of chatting then

Focus

[dapper granite]

this shit stresses me out I gotta calm down somehow xD

I've only got the warehouse left to clear, me and my team's health are looking good, I've only been shot once

2 problems though: I only have like 4 beanbag rounds left and I'm also missing a helmet xD

[floral peak]

Remember to check em close corners

[dapper granite]

surely I wont get onetapped by the next suspect I see

[floral peak]

[dapper granite]

one of my guys died

DAMNIT

here we go again

[floral peak]

Try to avoid long range combat

AI is very precise

Peek corners with alt lean

[dapper granite]

yeah and non lethals are kinda useless at long range

[floral peak]

Well, beanbag and m32:

[dapper granite]

cant shout for compliance from far away so they dont even surrender most of the time

it just kinda stuns them for a sec

[floral peak]

Beanbag have good range

[rocky plover]

ye that;s annoying

[floral peak]

Oh shout, not shoot

Mb

[rocky plover]

kept happening to me on 3 letter triad, when the suspects are in those big rooms and are on top of the stairs at the back of the room

[floral peak]

My AI usually covered me in these situations

At least they can use Pepperbal rifles to cover me

If I remember right I had 2 AI with pepperballs, and 2 with m32

[rocky plover]

i mostly prefered going solo, with AI i had to baby sit them and lose focus on suspects not to mention suspects seemed to get way more stressed with swat Ai present but when I had the swat AI, i went with either beanbag myself and them with m32a1 or all of us with m32a1

[floral peak]

AI with pepperballs are pretty good actually

[dapper granite]

I gave mine beanbags instead of pepperballs

[floral peak]

When I flash, they shoot anyone who not fully complied

[floral peak]

Playing with fire

[rocky plover]

they seem to be better than with beanbags, cos they rapid fire it, but ever since the m32 flash was released, ijust gave them the m32 instead of pepperball rifle

[dapper granite]

they dont headshot anymore I'm pretty sure that got patched

[rocky plover]

ye they dont headshot anymore

[floral peak]

I don’t trust em beanbags

WHAT

Really?

[dapper granite]

yeah I couldn't believe it either

[floral peak]

Oh boy

[rocky plover]

the AI i mean, yourself can still kill with beanbag

[floral peak]

That’s awesome

Yeah I get it

But that changes a lot

I can now go 2 beanbags/2 pepperballs

[rocky plover]

true, i still think m32a1 is still the better choice for the AI though XD

[floral peak]

For all ranges

Idk about m32 on ai

[rocky plover]

they just spam it and dont need to be accurate with it for the effect

[floral peak]

They seem to waste lots of shots

[rocky plover]

ye, but i never had any of them run out tbh

[craggy fable]

Have the Ai run beanbag shotguns and you run the flash launcher

[dapper granite]

that and they wait a long time before they shoot the next shot

[rocky plover]

i like the opposite tbh xD

[craggy fable]

That’s what I used to do and it worked like a charm

[dapper granite]

plus they sometimes shoot it at me which makes judge's head spin and I cant aim xD

[rocky plover]

hahah

[floral peak]

I love when AI shouts on suspect shooting at them

[rocky plover]

at least they removed friendly fire penalty when using it

[floral peak]

And AI doesn’t shoot back

[dapper granite]

but when I hit my team I get a penalty

[rocky plover]

it ruined quite alot of S runs before it was fixed

[floral peak]

Dayum

It keeps getting better

Honestly tho, it’s now even more op

[rocky plover]

ye flashbangs dont give friendly fire penalty now, stingers still do

[floral peak]

FF was like only thing holding me back with m32

Had to play really careful

[rocky plover]

yeah ikr, it had too big of range and still gave FF penalty

now it needs to be like a direct hit to trigger FF afaik

which made the m32a1 even more op now xd

[floral peak]

Imo, they could’ve just shrinken range of FF and make glasses to remove it

That would already be good

[rocky plover]

true

[dapper granite]

getting hit directly by a 40mm grenade should probably kill you ngl xD

[floral peak]

But now you can just mindlessly spray and pray

[dapper granite]

didnt it used to kill suspects before?

[rocky plover]

it used to kill suspects and civilians before

[floral peak]

Crackheads are different breed

[rocky plover]

idk why it doesnt anymore

[rocky plover]

yes!

[wind gyro]

not kill but could incap

[floral peak]

One day I’ll run Hard S Ironman

[dapper granite]

are you some kind of a masochist?

[wind gyro]

he is

[floral peak]

Well, already done S Ironman, could go for bigger

With all the changes about FF and beanbags on AI

I might actually do it now

[wind gyro]

ironman, s rank, hard, solo, deaf, and blind

[floral peak]

Hell yeah

And yet still no tripwires on Neon/relapse

But on elephant

[rocky plover]

and rust belt lmao

[floral peak]

And for some reason stolen valor

[rocky plover]

and dorms like wtf

stolen valor still has traps on standard though

[floral peak]

Homeless, residents >>> terrorist

Just the way it is

[dapper granite]

this one guy on the other side of the map keeps blindfiring and it keeps reseting my commands

[floral peak]

What you guys think is hardest achievement in game? (Aside The Hermit)

Imo, big shell specialist

[dapper granite]

probably sleeper agent?

[floral peak]

Literally RNG nightmare

[dapper granite]

oh no yeah big shell specialist

I did it back when it was fairly easy then they patched it

[rocky plover]

big shell is easy, can shoot 2 surrendered (restrained) suspects

[floral peak]

Sleeper agent is kind off easy when you are in team

[jolly verge]

Before game release yeah, even if you stepped on it you would die

[rocky plover]

sleeper agent feels more like rng nightmare than big shell

[floral peak]

For some (I was playing in MP), none of suspect were moving when I ordered

Like for some reason I can’t move the damn suspects in MP

[rocky plover]

i grabbed them myself and moved them

[jolly verge]

You can't, it's has been fixed in the first patch after DW

[floral peak]

Does that count on arrested?

[rocky plover]

ohh so its not possible anymore like that

[floral peak]

Yeah

[rocky plover]

well too bad

[floral peak]

You need more of team timing imo

[rocky plover]

well ye, then I can see that being a little more annoying to do nowadays

[floral peak]

Just spread everyone around suspects

[rocky plover]

yeah

[floral peak]

And start cuffing everyone

I love that it doesn’t matter who cuffs

Everyone gets achievement

[rocky plover]

some people also did it with less lethal, instead killing, takes way longer, but I did it with lethal instead, took more restarts however

[floral peak]

Also I kind of cheesed beat cop and hanged man

When playing in mp, not everyone needs to be using said weapons

Like I went with only pistol for beat cop and my friend with ar

[rocky plover]

well even in SP

[floral peak]

And it counted

Yeah

[rocky plover]

like you can let the Ai do all the heavy work, while you roam with the required items for the achievement

[floral peak]

Yk what one of last achievement I ever got in game?

The magician

Like idk if it was bugged for me or genuinely none of my suspects were faking it whole time

[rocky plover]

was quite easy to get with c2

[floral peak]

I remember Gerard faking it a lot

And also one time I was playin with wand

And I witnessed Gerard taking tripwire and shaking it off like nothin happened

Is he ok?

[rocky plover]

XD

[rocky plover]

i think mine was door kickers, or one of the newest released

[dapper granite]

suspects can sometimes set off their own traps if they're stressed I think

[floral peak]

What

Never heard of that

And never seen that

[rocky plover]

ye cos they roam around more, and they dont die from it lol

[floral peak]

Oh set off I’m dumb

[dapper granite]

this guy on ides of march was trying to run away to a better position and opened a booby-trapped door

blew himself up

they should see those doors as locked normally though i'm pretty sure

[floral peak]

In my case the game just started

[dapper granite]

maybe doesnt have anything to do with the stress then

[jolly verge]

Just bugged pathfinding or smth

[floral peak]

Gerard got bit of ricin spray I guess

[dapper granite]

also flashbang traps are got to be the most useless thing in the game

as if everyone's not wearing anti-flash goggles xD

[rocky plover]

ye they still slow you down though

[floral peak]

I use them to blind suspects xd

[dapper granite]

atp just pour a tub of glue on the floor idk 😭

[rocky plover]

free flashbang xD