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[maiden sequoia]

When I shoot a suspect in specific areas I want different things to happen

[jolly verge]

Not gonna happen

Feel free to dismember their legs with buckshot ammo

[maiden sequoia]

I know. One can only hope

[jolly verge]

The only thing you can do atm is make suspects limb at the cost of incapacitated state, so when their health reach 50% or below they will move very slow (same thing happen when you hit leg/arm artery)

[wind gyro]

hope and ron

[maiden sequoia]

Don't ruin my dreams

[wind gyro]

you can dream

[maiden sequoia]

Tbh if I did have money I'd probably lock myself in a garage but im stuck with the temporary happiness

[solemn patio]

i really want that too but voids gonna introduce more points of failure bugs wise if this happens

[maiden sequoia]

Well for something so unique and complex to imply I'd hope they spend at least 1-2mo testing and troubleshooting

[solemn patio]

You new here?

[maiden sequoia]

Uhhh activity wise yes

Ready or not wise not really

[solemn patio]

Yeaa

Void is either lazy or the goat

Imo

[maiden sequoia]

Well how big is the team?

[solemn patio]

Not very big, console release was rushed

[maiden sequoia]

I figured that out

[solemn patio]

They need to hire more people

[maiden sequoia]

I feel like that's how we ruin games that have so much potential

[solemn patio]

Rushin shit?

[maiden sequoia]

Harassing the fuck out of them because we can't wait for quality over quantity

[solemn patio]

RON is a GREAT game, just wish that they’d hire more people

[maiden sequoia]

Well they need to make a bit more money to afford more tbh

[solemn patio]

Off topic but why do the people who reside with me at my abode leave coffee mugs everywhere

[maiden sequoia]

If they can fix the current game. Just the small things and bring a slightly bigger update, then we're going the right way

[solemn patio]

Okay uhmm

[maiden sequoia]

I got a warning...

[solemn patio]

What did it flag ya for mate

[maiden sequoia]

But im still here

Sunt

You can put 2 and 2 together

[solemn patio]

Ah I see

[maiden sequoia]

I respond with lazy

[tacit gull]

VOID have constantly been hiring people, i'm pretty sure their team only got bigger and bigger minus recent exits

They also work with other external studios

[solemn patio]

Spaghetti code is also a factor really

[tacit gull]

Like a LOT of external studios

[maiden sequoia]

Well we have the tools

The question is are they gonna recreate the wheel with it?

[solemn patio]

Imagine if ron had like modern day cod crack movement (joke)

[tacit gull]

what

[maiden sequoia]

dives through a double door with the supernova on relapse

[solemn patio]

Starts to slide cancel and walljump

Now imagine titanfall 2 movement

[maiden sequoia]

Im starting to cry

I can just imagine the AI operators clipping into the backrooms since the dive and door physics weren't tested

[solemn patio]

“You’re in my spot, can you move?” As they get stuck in a wall.

[maiden sequoia]

That would not be fun. I struggle with predicting which way the suspect strafe next

[maiden sequoia]

As im arresting the suspect i asked them to arrest 5min ago

[solemn patio]

Just send your ai to do it, they’re cannon fodder

[maiden sequoia]

Yeah but I love the action

[solemn patio]

I lowkey love the huge firefights we get into on triple letter

[maiden sequoia]

Especially when I hear the last suspect running my way on relapse and blow his balls off with 762

[solemn patio]

Which 762 is the question.

You goin the draco route, the 300 blackout route, the flashbang route or the DMR?

HK51 flashbang effect when

[maiden sequoia]

Uhhh

GA416? I think

Or 56?

[solemn patio]

GA51?

[maiden sequoia]

Or the one above it

It's sand coloured

[solemn patio]

MK17?

[maiden sequoia]

Hang on

[solemn patio]

What caliber

[maiden sequoia]

Oh wait it's 556

[solemn patio]

K

MK16, GA416

[maiden sequoia]

That's why it's 2 shots to the crotch

I was using 51

But I couldn't recover from the recoil fast enough at range

So used to use the 51 but im using the 416 now

Actually with higher calibre does AP and JHP matter any more?

[solemn patio]

i mean i need 5 rounds of 7.62 ap to kill a elephant suspect

but i cant pen his armor with jhp.

[jolly verge]

Yes, not to mention stagger chance

[maiden sequoia]

So is it just incase you hit limbs? Seems like 762x51 is a good all rounder

[jolly verge]

This for standart on missions without health modifier

[maiden sequoia]

Health mods?

[jolly verge]

In any other case .300blk or 7.62x39 better than 7.62x51

[maiden sequoia]

Like hard mode?

[rocky plover]

.300BO is more of an all rounder i'd say, especially JHP, and 5.56 actually becomes better than 7.62 on hard mode

[jolly verge]

Hard difficulty and specific missions on standart

[maiden sequoia]

What does L1-L4 column stand for?

[rocky plover]

armor, with torso being unarmored

[maiden sequoia]

Ah

So the strongest calibre isn't always the best

[rocky plover]

exactly, especially if you can't hit your shots (which is often overlooked)

[maiden sequoia]

I struggle at range but med-cqb I definitely always hit below the waistline

[rocky plover]

so I get it that 7.62 slaps on standard mode because of 1 shot kills, but when you consider that on hard mode it still requires 2 shots (same as 5.56 or .300), then 7.62 is not the best especially when 7.62 has the most recoil too

[maiden sequoia]

Actually what parts of suspects are always unarmoured

[rocky plover]

arms/legs/hands/feet/head ofc (only their torso is armored, for those that have armor to begin with)

[maiden sequoia]

So in standard 762 is the "best" but when doing hard your just giving yourself a unnecessary challenge

[jolly verge]

Best only on missions without health modifiers, like on 20 of 26 iirc

[maiden sequoia]

Wait missions have health mods took?

[rocky plover]

well you could say that, at the end of the day it's personal preference, but i would still choose 5.56 or .300 on standard over 7.62

[maiden sequoia]

Where was this in the tutorial

[maiden sequoia]

Well I am enjoying how versatile the 416 is

[cedar mulch]

Why is Elephant Shooter so powerful?

[rocky plover]

they have L4 armor + they are maxed on stress

[jolly verge]

400 health instead of default 320

[rocky plover]

and that as well ye ^^

[rocky plover]

it's alright, there are far better 5.56 variants however imho

[maiden sequoia]

Bruh

[jolly verge]

416 worst 5.56 rifle in game

[maiden sequoia]

WHAT

[rocky plover]

hahah didn't wanna sound too arrogant

thats why i said "alright" lol

[maiden sequoia]

Ffs im going back to supernova

[rocky plover]

😂

[jolly verge]

Highest recoil for a worst rifle 5.56 caliber in game

[maiden sequoia]

It's the first gun I picked in MP and stuck with until I finished my S rank runs

[rocky plover]

it's funny how everyone, and i mean like almost everyone uses the 416 and think its the best XD

[maiden sequoia]

Probably because they looked up a YT of "best guns ready or not"

[rocky plover]

yeah, so many mis-information there

[maiden sequoia]

Well actually suggestions would be lovely

[fallow cypress]

It looks cool

[rocky plover]

how is the mp7 recoil high im confused, literally 1 of the most controllable imo

[fallow cypress]

the real meta is looking as tactical as people

[cedar mulch]

No, I'm asking why VOID is giving them such high values?

[rocky plover]

yeah thats how people fall for it, cos its popular irl

[jolly verge]

It is that high if you measure the height of recoil pattern on the wall

[maiden sequoia]

Any AR suggestions?

[rocky plover]

ah i see, in that case no idea

[fallow cypress]

why is the p90 and mp7 damage so bad, like I can non-lethal neon tomb suspects using it

[fallow cypress]

SR-16

[rocky plover]

g36c, f90, mcx, sr16 for 556, arn 180 for .300

[jolly verge]

It 2-3 shots to incap

[rocky plover]

mp7 with jhp slaps bruh

[maiden sequoia]

Nice

[rocky plover]

i see, still feels 1 of the best smg's imo in terms of recoil

[fallow cypress]

the concept of a jhp 4.6mm scares me

[cedar mulch]

The damage output of 4.6 and 5.7 is virtually identical, so does this mean the P90 is essentially an upgraded version of the MP7?

[rocky plover]

i;d say its the opposite imo

[maiden sequoia]

Actually besides recoil the description for both UMPs is a bit hazy is it the same thing just less recoil?

[jolly verge]

4.6x30 has a bit more cover pen but that it

[rocky plover]

and stagger for AP right

[jolly verge]

Nah, both have the same stagger chance

[rocky plover]

different caliber so different recoil and damage

[rocky plover]

oh cos the sheet says 20 vs 30

[jolly verge]

Wait, yeah, 10% more on flesh hits

[sweet sapphire]

what button is it to turn on the laser?

[maiden sequoia]

What platform?

[rocky plover]

ah ok

[fallow cypress]

For PC its the button above tab

[sweet sapphire]

alright thanks

[rocky plover]

i dont get why the ddm4pdw has that recoil in game lol

doesnt make sense compared to other guns, feels weird

[maiden sequoia]

I guess this is what running beanbag shotgun does to someone

[rocky plover]

.300 but recoil very close to 7.62 xd

[cedar mulch]

They ought to strengthen DDM4; this is simply too unfair.

[jolly verge]

It's uses ga416 recoil stats, but it's . 300blk caliber and the shortest barrel in game, you can peek in door frames and your gun wont go up

[rocky plover]

yeah agree

[fallow cypress]

why do people use the beanbag shotgun anyways, the rotary grenade launcher exist

[rocky plover]

yes i like thats its very short, but damn it has so much recoil for a .300

i'd rather use the lvar, or even then arn180 which has the least recoil from .300

[rocky plover]

for the fair challenge i guess, GL can become too easy and boring over time

[maiden sequoia]

Err i don't thing console has that update yet?

[whole plume]

Why put traps on Elephant Hard?!

It doesnt make sense

[sweet sapphire]

i tried it and it doesnt seem to work

[maiden sequoia]

IM SORRY WHAT

[maiden sequoia]

Just got to options and check your controls?

[sweet sapphire]

i cant find it

[cedar mulch]

Or perhaps a DDM4ISR—I recall it being somewhat longer than the PDW.

[jolly verge]

Thumb mouse button by default

[whole plume]

Yeah, Elephant Hard has traps

They keep getting me, if not the suspects

[maiden sequoia]

Any other levels?

[cedar mulch]

VOID ought to release the DDM4 300S, which shares the same length as the MK18 Mod 0.

[whole plume]

It adds them to a few more yeah

I dont know, this is the 1st that added traps I remember

[maiden sequoia]

Like 10min wasn't enough stress

[whole plume]

And they'll start killing Civs well before that

Its like near impossible to beat on Hard

Even with MK17s and going full on guns blazing the second you see one of them

I have got so close so many times but either they kill me or the bombs do

They also mimic students which imo is evil as fuck

[maiden sequoia]

WHAT

I don't want to do hard anymore

[whole plume]

Yeah, like when they say "help me, they shot me"

[whole plume]

Nah they do on Standard too

Its mainly the traps, they dont make sense

[maiden sequoia]

Oh the voicelines

I thought they're dressed up as students

[whole plume]

Nah that would be straight evil but they still have the distinctive black body armour

Tbf the one voice line they have that is helpful is "you either kill me or i kill you" which has alerted me lots of times

[maiden sequoia]

Usually for me they're always silent

Like a really fucked up game of hide and seek

Im not excited for twisted nerve hard

How was that?

[whole plume]

Nah theyre loud as hell for me, everytime I approach the building theyre already giving away their positions and shooting. Normally they spawn in the same places so its not hard tk find them, just hard not to die especially when they have Civ hostages

[whole plume]

Peice of cake, just run SMGs and go hard n fast

Be careful in the tunnels tho!

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh im not a fan of running knife wielding people

[maiden sequoia]

That's the first thing I clear out

[whole plume]

Full Auto will save you

[maiden sequoia]

Usually takes 2 bangs

[whole plume]

I tend to go house 1st and them last but thats me

The hardest "Hard" missions so far have been Elephant and Mindjot (both I cant beat)

Haven't even tried Greased Palms, Already can tell how aids thats gonna be

[maiden sequoia]

I go in left side of the house, clear the backyard, wedge the metal gate to the lab and clear tunnels

[whole plume]

Oh yeah Neon Tomb also now has traps

And Hospital too I think

[maiden sequoia]

My strat for grease was check every door on the outside of the warehouse before wedging and see who you can pick off

[whole plume]

On Hard

[maiden sequoia]

BRO WHAT

[whole plume]

Yeah, its a nightmare

[rocky plover]

no neon tomb and hospital dont have traps on hard

[whole plume]

Do they not? Maybe they were IED vests that killed me

[maiden sequoia]

Hospital was already annoying with Saddam hussan seeing me through the fucking walls

[rocky plover]

they have more bomb vests however

yes bomb vests yes, but not door traps

[maiden sequoia]

MORE? Was there even any on standard?

I don't recall any boom boom people walking around the hospital

[rocky plover]

neon tomb ye still had some on standard, hospital no

[maiden sequoia]

Thought so

Also neon tomb

The devs knew exactly what they where doing with some of the civis

I've died way too many times by being distracted

[rocky plover]

[maiden sequoia]

But I haven't died to a bomb vest YET

So the score is 1-1

[whole plume]

Fuck I hate Mindjot security

On Hard they are awful to fight

Feels like I am fighting the Juggernaut himself reincarnated dozens of times

Ill try VOTD hard, and let my anger out on them

[stone bay]

"Hard" is what they call cranking up suspect AI values to 100000000, artificial difficulty at its finest. You're better off playing non-Prime CS2 competitive

[patent harness]

long as you're careful it isn't overly difficult

ideally use a 762 rifle, then they go down in a single shot to the chest

[rocky plover]

not on hard

[patent harness]

or if it's a close ranged map, a shotgun, you can down them with a single shell instantly

[patent harness]

you sure? maybe it depends on armour ratings on certain maps. thought it did.

[rocky plover]

on standard it does, but on hard it takes 2 shots, same as other rifle calibers

[copper dome]

Whilst being much harder to get multiple shots center mass cause of the kick

Better to use 5.56 or .300

[prime spear]

Or pepper spray

[patent harness]

oh yea nvm u are correct

[copper dome]

Or a shotgun and just aim for the legs and make em a cripple

[patent harness]

tbf though, it's not difficult to just double tap with it

[copper dome]

Harder than with a 5.55 or .300

[stone bay]

Ofc it's not difficult, it's ridicoulous (I already got the 18/18 achievement upon the first 48 hours of that shitty update, so I'm quite hardened and traumatized by "hArD" difficulty)

[whole plume]

Its fine mostly so long as you are smart

Some missions (like elephant) are bullshit I totally agree

Mostly be smart and you are fine

[stone bay]

It seems many folks started playing the game AFTER the console launch update

[whole plume]

I joined day 1 of Console launch

Pre-Order and all

[rocky plover]

they forgot the crazy AI we had a couple updates before console XD

[alpine totem]

Anyone looking to team up?

[stone bay]

Ahh ok, it makes sense as to why you don't think the broken AI is a big deal.

[prime spear]

#🔎looking-for-players

[whole plume]

It is somewhat, but I have learnt to manage it

[stone bay]

That was a walk in the park compared to the current one

[alpine totem]

Mb

[rocky plover]

well both had/have issues in their own way

[whole plume]

The one thing I want from Hard is them to get rid of the Traps on Elephant

[stone bay]

Unless you're talking about early 1.0 AI, which in that case, yes lol

[whole plume]

That is difficulty maxxing if I ever heard it

[rocky plover]

yeah that was the worst, literally wall hacks lol

[prime spear]

What dumbass school shooter places traps in a place he will never get out of until he is neutralised/arrested.

[stone bay]

Basically this one, plus the current ability to pen steel walls with 9mm, while you shoot bubbles

[whole plume]

Yeah also you already have time pressure with the bombs

So its not as if it isnt hard enough

[rocky plover]

ye thats sadly very unrealistic

[prime spear]

Atleast that actually was in the actual shooting,

[whole plume]

They also need to make SMGs more viable, theyre like only usable on 3 maps

[rocky plover]

especially the second they see a frame of your shoulder, they just lock-on you

[whole plume]

Yeah also they dont even trap smart, theyre in the most random locations

[stone bay]

"Difficulty maxxing" is adding/modifying certain in-game mechanics, not switching suspect_reactiontime=0 or suspect_accuracy= 10000

[whole plume]

I meant the Traps on Elephant, not the AI

Theyre hard but if you use flashbangs judiciously and high power guns that can help

[stone bay]

Ah yes, kinda dumb too, any other map but that one lol

[whole plume]

Yeah I mean any other map than the one meant to be an active school

I run a team with 12 Flashbangs and 2x GLs

You can imagine how useful that can be at times

[prime spear]

"Hmmm, let's place the traps in the exit that no one will enter from."

[whole plume]

They trap the staff break room/Science rooms but not the literal front door/side doors

Like why?!

Imo get rid of them full stop

[rocky plover]

hard mode was lazy imho, they way it was implemented, idk why they got rid of the old way, when we had different modes on different maps (like when a map had up to 5 different modes)

barricaded, raid, active shooter, bomb threat, hostage situation

now some maps feel like they are none of that, while some others feel like all at once

[stone bay]

Custom diff. like swat 4's quick mission maker was the way

[rocky plover]

yeah that can work

[solemn patio]

fr

[onyx swift]

“How do we make the game harder… let’s give enemies insane reaction time and near-aimbot while moving for starters”

The same patch where the Primary Launchers were made too

While CS Gas got nerfed

[rocky plover]

ye i dont get the cs gas nerf, like yea it was kinda too op but this nerf was too much, even made the pepperball rifle & smg even worse than they were

made them completely useless now if you ask me, feels like gas and pepperballs need 3 business days for it to start working.. if it does work lol

[onyx swift]

It at least took slightly more time to work than instant Flashbangs lol

[stone bay]

Word

[rocky plover]

ikr lmao

[onyx swift]

If in a team, the strat is literally to check behind a door (and disarm if needed), then push in with a Shield and have 1-2 people instantly Flashbang as they yell

Extremely slim chance of actually getting shot, and you hit the Suspects before they can react

Just going in each room to Flashbang it immediately from the doorway/each new sightline

[primal gate]

Is it true that an way around the pain of a no deaths ironman run is just to quit the game and restart it?

I've never done an ironman run for the sake of my sanity but I'm considering it now that I've finished my college semster

[opaque zealot]

alt f4 the second you die

always works

had to do it twice to get a hermit run bc the ai kept standing still in doorways and willingly getting their shi blown off

[primal gate]

I'm on xbrick so should I quit the game or just restart the console?

[opaque zealot]

idk how fast u can do it on console but prob try and quit

[willow solstice]

im a dumbass how do swap ammo types

[dusky kettle]

Does anyone know how to turn off the free aim toggle on console for ps5 controller?

Or if it's even possible to disable free lean on console?

[copper dome]

I if your on keyboard

i

[pine geyser]

Anyone else have the issue where, if they ADS with the shield equipped, the guy will punch the gun forward, glitch back to behind the shield and aim again and THEN i's actually perma ADS for as long as they hold RMB?

[copper dome]

Yes

Very common

[pine geyser]

So I didn't have to reinstall the whole game?
Damn.

Thought I might have broken somethinb by accident

[solemn patio]

L85 when

We need an L85 to rival the F90

[pine geyser]

Rival? You're lucky if it gets through three mags without jamming

[wraith dome]

Yo is this game getting updates? I havent played in a min

[whole plume]

Why don't the AI on Elephant trigger their own traps?!

And also why do they kill you instantly upon sight

[tired jungle]

Wouldn't you?

[whole plume]

Yeah, but still they react inhumanly well

Strange, this and Mindjot seem to be the hardest ones in terms of AI nonsense

[hybrid hazel]

These textures are not epic...jesus christ #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[tired jungle]

Ai is imperfect at being realistic

[whole plume]

Not even realistic, just too good

You dont stand a chance, the Traps on open doors that the AI shouldve triggered and killed themselves is certainly bs

[tired jungle]

It's a close up of the helmet, they aren't high res enough to look good when the camera is 3cm away

[copper dome]

They definitely do kill themselves. Multiple times I’ve been defusing a tripwire only for them to walk out blast me and In the process blow us both up

[whole plume]

Not on Elephant, it seems

[tired jungle]

It could be changed by separately rendering the helmet but that's just unnecessary

[copper dome]

Mainly happens on that map lmao

[whole plume]

Must be a bug

[whole plume]

Strange, they never do it in my experiences

[hybrid hazel]

we used to have waay better close up quality

[copper dome]

Console update happened

[tired jungle]

It can vary on the helmet model

[copper dome]

Didn’t want two builds of the game

So they downgraded

[hybrid hazel]

Just screengrabbed this off an old video i made - look at this bruh its so fucking crisp

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[tired jungle]

I mean, weapon models are high quality because you are looking at them all the time

Probably still are similar

Not every object or asset can be made with the same detail and texture quality, neither does it make sense

Optimizing graphics is a lot bout understanding which things the player is going to be looking at

And which things they won't

[hybrid hazel]

Its funny because my game runs worse than before

so the optimization clearly didnt reach back to PC

[hybrid hazel]

Well as you said its a CLOSE UP perspective so the player WILL look at that - why not just fix it

[tired jungle]

I never really bothered to compare. It always ran smooth enough for me not to stare at performance statistics

[tacit gull]

Lets just say there's a reason the game is half the size it was

[tired jungle]

Fair

[hybrid hazel]

-Makes close up helmet perspective

• Makes helmet textures look worse than 2007 Crysis

[tired jungle]

Sure, there's still a lot of other ways to reduce the size of a game other than downgrading assets

[tacit gull]

I can also guarantee game performance is better than it was, graphical downgrades be damned

[hybrid hazel]

well i dont remember EVER dropping below 100 frames on any map - but now Oilrig drops to 60

so something changed and its not my PC

[tacit gull]

I can definetly tell you 3lt ran sub 30 for me when it launched and update by update it got better

[pine geyser]

I like the size reduction, I can install multiple full size games on my RAM again

[hybrid hazel]

install - on RAM - 💀

[tired jungle]

I'm pretty sure oil rig runs bad because it's so open that everything has to be simulated at once

[copper dome]

What’s wrong with that lol

[tacit gull]

It's a gimmick

[hybrid hazel]

Since i consider anything 60 FPS or below to be unplayable (if its a shooter) i definitely would have noticed it running this bad before

[copper dome]

[tired jungle]

Where as if you play other maps you don't need to keep simulating suspects or civis really far outside of the players render distance or indoor areas etc

[wraith dome]

Yo whats the best shotgun for the cabin map i gotta arrest gerard

[tacit gull]

someone hasn't played arma 3

[hybrid hazel]

Right, only 1100 hours MilSim clan

[tired jungle]

[pine geyser]

Not really, is faster than any SSD. I have around 85GB/s read

[hybrid hazel]

im just saying thats why i would have noticed, because it would have annoyed me before

[hybrid hazel]

Nothing is being installed on your RAM

[pine geyser]

Oh but it is.

[hybrid hazel]

Software uses it to keep important data close at hand and discards it once you are using different software

[pine geyser]

Provided you make a RAM disk

[hybrid hazel]

Are we studying the same computer science?

[pine geyser]

You are studying computer science and haven't heard of RAM disk making?

[tired jungle]

Just get faster storage like wth

[whole plume]

Finally, I beat Elephant on Hard

[pine geyser]

I have enough RAM that it's not urgent to do so

[hybrid hazel]

Well 99% of times someone would not dedicate portions of their RAM (which is worth its weight in gold btw) and instead buy an SSD

[tired jungle]

You could sell that, ram is so expensive rn like gawd damn

[hybrid hazel]

so its a fair statement that USUALLY people dont install shit on their RAM

[pine geyser]

I have 256GB of it. I don't care to buy an SSD at this time and my HDD is causing slight draw stutters.

[pine geyser]

Yeah but you're saying outright "Nothing is installed on RAM" like an absolute statement, but that's just not true if you dedicate some of it as a disk

[hybrid hazel]

256GB DDR5?

[pine geyser]

DDR4

[tired jungle]

This argument is stupid btw

[hybrid hazel]

ahh

[pine geyser]

ECC too

[hybrid hazel]

DDR4 yeah have fun with that

noone in their right mind would dedicate their insanely expensive DDR5 to install a couple games on

provided anyone had any DDR5 to spare to begin with

[pine geyser]

Bruh what's wrong with DDR4 lmao

[tired jungle]

hedt users

Though they have like 80 lanes for storage so they should be able to afford some ssds

[hybrid hazel]

ok sure but we are talking about consumers not rare edge cases

[copper dome]

Shuts so expensive. Corsair vengeance 64gn ddr5 is $1300

[pine geyser]

Well, my rig isn't a consumer rig either, I just also use it for games

[hybrid hazel]

I got 64GB Crucial DDR5 shits worth more than my GPU

[pine geyser]

Yeah, AI is to thank for that afaik

[hybrid hazel]

also rare because extinct

thanks Micron

[tired jungle]

To an extent yes

[hybrid hazel]

To a huge ginormous extent

[tired jungle]

Just a couple of years ago we had an oversupply of nand

And dram

[hybrid hazel]

A couple of years ago my entire PC cost less than my graphics card adjusted for inflation

thats not an argument

[pine geyser]

Tbf, the cheaper DDR5 stuff wasn't and still isn't the best choice necessarily, you'd always have had to go more mid- to high end.

[tired jungle]

It's fine, like obviously you don't want to buy 8gb dimms or something slower than 6000 but 6000 with good enough timings had been fairly affordable at around 85$

[pine geyser]

Latency is still worse than DDR4

[hybrid hazel]

I mean its an easy calculation. What do companies want?
Make money.
Why did Micron stop selling to consumers and only to AI datacenters?
It makes more money.
Who are all the other DRAM manufacturers also selling a TON of their stuff to?
Datacenters.
Where is the DRAM for the consumers?
Datacenters

[tired jungle]

Yeah whatever

We are moving to a bandwidth driven era

Applications and games are also adapting to it slowly but surely

[hybrid hazel]

[pine geyser]

Yeah but right now it's more of a brute forcing solution than "This is the new meta".
I'm just coping though, not willing to throw my board out to go DDR5

[hybrid hazel]

If i went neck deep into DDR4 i would probably think like you too

256 GB

[pine geyser]

Fluid dynamics simulation's the game

[tired jungle]

Shit provides better performance, only thing that realistically matters

The bottleneck of ddr5 development/adaptation isn't the dram itself

It's everything around it

[copper dome]

Why would one need 256gb of ram

[pine geyser]

I just said, fluid dynamics simulations

[hybrid hazel]

Bro is on a workstation not a gaming pc in that sense

[pine geyser]

Correct

[tired jungle]

Idk my friend has a server with over 1 tb of ram

[pine geyser]

Virtualization too

[hybrid hazel]

Servers are completely different

[copper dome]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[pine geyser]

Embed fail

[copper dome]

I don’t have perms

[pine geyser]

Aw man

[pine geyser]

What would the gif have been, fren?

[tired jungle]

I haven't even thought about pc upgrades in two years

I have more hobbies than one and unfortunately they're all expensive

[pine geyser]

I've considered getting a new GPU because I don't really do much CAD myself anymore

I'm gaming on a fucking Quadro P2000

[hybrid hazel]

I once stood in a server room where they output 20 PetaFLOPS

[tired jungle]

My former high school had those

[copper dome]

Isn’t a petaflop like 1000tb

[pine geyser]

Hey, that's not bad, they could have gone a lot lower!

[copper dome]

Nvm

[hybrid hazel]

its 20 Trillion calculations a second

[copper dome]

Looked it up shits insane

[pine geyser]

Almost able to run modded Minecraft at 60 FPS

[hybrid hazel]

oh nvm

i mistranslated its 20 quadrillionen

[tired jungle]

Sure. Though what i didn't understand was the choice to go with a quad core xeon with 4 memory channels and them slap a single 32gb dimm on that mf 😭

[pine geyser]

Bist du Deutscher?

[pine geyser]

Was it a W2125?

[hybrid hazel]

Ready or Not sprich Deutsch du Hurensohn Edition

[tired jungle]

W series something, i don't remember

[pine geyser]

EYYYYY, fancy meeting another one of us here

[tired jungle]

Probably a 2123

[pine geyser]

Yeh that tracks. Going single channel on that is a crime tho

[tired jungle]

Mhm

[hybrid hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/prussia-hetalia-gif-2639563600331223402

epic embed failure

[tired jungle]

Somebody who had no idea about what they're doing on the job, once again

[pine geyser]

When I was in our equivalent to highschool we had 500MB of RAM on our school computers and some Pentium 4s.
That shit lagged filling a circle in a solid color in paint

[tired jungle]

We had to run a little bit of blender and adobe programs

Though mainly macs were used for adobe stuff

[pine geyser]

During my degree in graphics design (yeah, yeah, laugh now and let's get it over with...) they gave us Macbooks. Fucking Apple. So we could never properly have it interact with fucking ANYTHING ELSE.

[tired jungle]

That part of it sucks

[hybrid hazel]

I need this in my life again, just let me CQB man https://youtu.be/8lyjJ8gweOU?t=67

[tired jungle]

I studied some graphics design too but i was pretty bad and i have absolutely no imagination or drawing skills

Still did that for a couple years

[hybrid hazel]

btw some of the best room clearing footage ever on that channel

[pine geyser]

Just when I got my degree, Covid hit and noone wanted to spend money on ads or corporate design refinement anymore so I had to pivot

[tired jungle]

I originally planned to become a freelancer but kind of the same problem

[proven dagger]

Any chances of the update coming this year

[tired jungle]

Now i'm wondering if i should just... Do a professional career in the military

[onyx swift]

In addition to what Grau said, tons of engineering and design projects can eat up that RAM and more

Larger scale buildings and models, adding tons of simulation details... etc

Then there's also the elephant ( ) in the room, various AI tasks

Which is a huge part of recent RAM prices

[onyx swift]

I have some Corsair Vengeance RAM myself, my price for it doesn't even show up anymore in retailers
Not even Corsair shows it now

[hybrid hazel]

You just know the video you are watching is legitness when the guy is rocking unreleased Quad NVGs

[onyx swift]

I think with the predicted price if back in stock, I could buy an Astral 5090 or something

Still more expensive than what I paid for on my actual (and worse) GPU, and that was above MSRP on a deal about maybe a year ago
It's only gotten worse since this year anyway

[copper dome]

$1300 for 64gn 600-670 for 32gb

Dudes balling

[onyx swift]

You should see the even higher capacity prices too

Some won't even show up

And the only place you may find an offer is on EBay or something

[copper dome]

1484 for 96gb kinda a steal since 64gn is 1226

[onyx swift]

The fact that's technically right makes me sad

I bet it'll go up again real quickly

[copper dome]

11k for 512gb of ddr5 holy shit lmao

[onyx swift]

AI moment

[copper dome]

NEMIX RAM 512GB (8X64GB) DDR5 5600MHZ PC5-44800 2Rx8 1.1V CL46 288-PIN ECC Unbuffered UDIMM Memory KIT 11k for this

Like wtf

[onyx swift]

I think the price for my own RAM right now, is over 4x what I paid for it

hitting the thousands

[copper dome]

Sell it and wait it for it to drop again

[onyx swift]

But how would I use my PC

[copper dome]

You sacrifice your pc gaming for lots of moooney

[tired jungle]

Sell ram and buy a beater car

[onyx swift]

The hardest choices require the strongest wills...

Thing is... I have 4 sticks of RAM

So theoretically, I could sell two of them
But that'd still be really weird lol

[full shore]

Sell ram. Buy 20 incher

[covert aurora]

@urban cloud to answer your clip question, suspect moral was low that they choose to shoot themselves then give up. It does happen sometimes

[thorny torrent]

They can do that

[covert aurora]

If their moral is low enough

[dusty silo]

How difficult is relapse?

[stone bay]

Always the main lobby entrance, not the underground one, otherwise you'll get hacked on when crossing the skybridge

[dusty silo]

Ok

[stone bay]

Other than that, decent I'd say

Unless you're playing No Fun difficulty

[dusty silo]

I play standard

[dapper granite]

currently playing hide and seek on hard

trying to get S rank and I'm losing my mind with this AI behavior

both suspect and swat

[willow solstice]

can i just, remove the primary weapon from my ai

[dapper granite]

no

you can take their ammo away though

[willow solstice]

i see

[dapper granite]

anyone any tips on how to clear the warehouse on hide and seek preferably without getting beamed from all sides?

I just cleared everything outside and dont really wanna have to go again

I'm actually gonna lose it

civilian just went down because they refuse to move out of line of fire

and it was going so well

[stone bay]

Gl when you complete it after THOUSANDS of attempts, because that's how the game's intended to be played since July 15th.

[gusty marten]

finally got A+ on twisted nerve, onto the spider

[covert aurora]

way to go! 🙂

keep it up

[nimble iris]

Xm250 vs any mission can get A.

[solemn patio]

Imagine if you could negotiate with suspects

Then as soon as the requirements are met you light them up trust

[copper dome]

[odd pond]

Howdy fellas

[versed hedge]

how do you zoom with the LPVOs

[covert aurora]

you can't atm

probably next up will be able too.

[dawn solstice]

i should really stop using a gun that leads to me killing people or i need to become a worse shot i default to headshots to often

[maiden sequoia]

Under the waistline

[dawn solstice]

yee but then if i hit someone in the leg they might bleed out cus of jhp rounds wont they?

[maiden sequoia]

Suspects have 320 health. They get incapacitated below 160

Civis can get incapacitated too and i think as long as there not dead it won't remove points

[torpid onyx]

suspects who are incapped can eventually die on the ground but idk how it actually works with how it decides if they bleed out or not but I doubt it's specifically because of leg shots

[maiden sequoia]

I only know this cuz i had a bugged out civi on neon tomb and shot them in the leg and didn't get -points for a incapacitated

Oh so its kinda got a time limit

[dawn solstice]

see idk if its the gun or my shot placement cus like its so easy to default to headshots due to rainbow six

[maiden sequoia]

I had a feeling most of the community came from R6

[torpid onyx]

I know because sometimes I've lost an arrest objective because I managed to incap the arrest target and tried to go in for the cuff but then he ended up dying while incapped and failing the arrest obj

[maiden sequoia]

I see where the AI teammates get they're influence from

[torpid onyx]

you'll get excessive use of force and what not but won't get a "killed civillian" penality

[maiden sequoia]

I actually didn't

I got A+ and no negatives

[torpid onyx]

ig TOC thinks they deserve it

[maiden sequoia]

Wait i shot him with my pistol once, got a "warning" waited 50s and incapacitated him

Well he was bombed up and bugged tf out

Wouldn't complie even with 4 flashbangs

[maiden sequoia]

Also do they bleed profusely?

Or for a set about of time

[wraith dome]

I heard this game getting updated soon is that true?

[maiden sequoia]

No clue

I just play the game

[wraith dome]

Havent been on in a min

[torpid onyx]

they might get a pool of blood under them but they don't bleed like an arterial

the arterial bleeds are instant death when it happens

[torpid onyx]

also usually that should mean you get an excessive use of force (not lethal) penalty

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh i didn't

I got a verbal warning

[swift atlas]

What would be a better gun the ga416 or the mk18

[thick dome]

theres only 2 real parameters fir guns of the same caliber in this game. recoil and rate of fire. weapon length is a thing also.

ga416 is prob the hardest recoiling 5.56

[vale plume]

On PlayStation it does have kickback

[lost inlet]

MK18.

[lost inlet]

^

Absolutely butchered the 416.

[willow solstice]

im crashing out apearently i cant use my ai for the beatcop achievement even though they were using pistol

[gilded oar]

CHAT, should I reinstall ron and try it again rn? or wait for the next update

[lost inlet]

next update isn't coming this year, reinstall and try again.

[torpid onyx]

i mean most of the time for ARs I just end up going single shot so for me it's just like aesethics and recoil

ive kinda drifted towards using SMGs alot more though just for the fun of it

[fallow cypress]

Finished Port Hokan with no teammate or civillian deaths and secured all evidence/objectives

and I got B

[covert aurora]

did you find all the soft objects?

[fallow cypress]

the mission ends automatically

I didin't press Y

[covert aurora]

weird

[torpid onyx]

yeah that's normal if you went fully lethal

for missions with larger suspect counts (hokan, valley etc) going full lethal locks you at B rank

[fallow cypress]

time to abuse the M32A1 Flash once again

[torpid onyx]

A is some suspect deaths, A+ is like one or two, S is none

[onyx swift]

S also needs no incaps too

[boreal fossil]

when will more OST songs be released for the DLC maps?

[whole plume]

😆

[willow willow]

So I got the hermit achievement but the developer’s watch didn’t unlock

[surreal pelican]

And B is multiple

[frigid sand]

HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT THE ELEPHANT SCHOOL SHOOTER MAP ON HARD MODE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE I NEED HELP OR ADVICE LITERALLY ANYTHING

[tawdry lark]

Whats the problem?

[frigid sand]

i kill like 4 guys and then the last guy shoots a civ and i have to restart

its so awful

[tawdry lark]

Ah damn

Yeah unfortunately you gotta be quick

I personally run an SMG load out in that mission. Mainly because its just more flexible. But again all it really comes down to is luck

Could be wrong tho. Im absolute dogwater at this game

[frigid sand]

have you beaten it on hard mode

@tawdry lark

[tawdry lark]

Sorry was playing Rust Belt

Ive only played Commander

[limpid whale]

So hearing all of their friends get shot makes them less likely to give up? That doesn’t make sense

[limpid whale]

No you can get an A with all suspects dead, as long as it wasn’t unnecessary force

A is the highest grade you can get without arresting suspects, for A+ and S you need arrests which if you aren’t focussing on them basically means S won’t happen and A+ is chance

Also why are the meth heads so cracked? Turning on hard mode makes every AI special forces or sm? There’s no way I can be in a dark unlit second story room on meth house and frank gallagher in the garden can hit me that accurately several shots in a row

[torpid onyx]

just bring the m32a1 and a breaching tool or the m320 flash launcher and a lockpick gun and just bum rush and sprint throughout the whole school as fast as possible only stopping to cuff a suspect and get all the 4 suspects cuffed before you do anything

it's partially RNG on whether you can get to the last suspect before the 2 minute timer is up and they start shooting

[torpid onyx]

and don't bother using the ai they only slow you down

[surreal pelican]

So fire if they fire back? I still got B when they did this

[torpid onyx]

depends on the mission

[surreal pelican]

I sniped a dude who was camping the window thi

[frigid sand]

whats throwing me off is that they added bombs to doors

[torpid onyx]

for maps like greased and hakon and valley with tons of suspects you're locked to B with full lethal but on maps like lethal obsession, elephant etc you can get A while killing everyone it just depends on how many suspects there are

[torpid onyx]

are you playing modded?

[frigid sand]

nope

normal

[torpid onyx]

hm I don't remember bombs on elephant

maybe they changed it

[frigid sand]

yeah i think they added it recently

maybe with the addition of hard mode

you down to help me with the map?

[torpid onyx]

I'm not at my setup rn

[frigid sand]

aww thats alrigth

[limpid whale]

If they aim at you or fire back yeah you can drop them

[frigid sand]

flash launcher might be the play though

[torpid onyx]

that's just because flash launcher in general makes the game easy mode

[limpid whale]

Did you get a - penalty for unnecessary force??

[limpid whale]

I like rust belt in the tunnels with my friend, it’s so fun having a guy come through a door you’re already holding just to get dropped by 2 people

[torpid onyx]

as Ive already said, on maps with high suspect counts if you're going full lethal you are limited to B rank on missions like valley, neon tomb, hakon etc

since the amount of points allocated to suspects is higher and accounts for a "larger percentage" of your final grade

[surreal pelican]

Nope

[surreal pelican]

So lower suspect (dead or incap) = Higher grading?

[torpid onyx]

asuming you're going full lethal if there's less suspects on a map then your grade (as a percentage) will theoretically be higher then a map with more suspects because less of the grade is dependent on suspect points

[surreal pelican]

I have suspects who are brought in peacefully and sometimes I still get B

[torpid onyx]

yes on some maps if you only bring in like a couple people out of like the 15-17 or so you'll still only get a B

even if you didn't get any penalties or miss any evidence or anything

[surreal pelican]

ah

So grading is tied to suspect count + how many are brought in peacefully

Higher numbers = More required to be brought in alive

Lower numbers = Lesser amount to be brought in

[torpid onyx]

including all other objectives yes that's how the point system works because each suspect is worth 35 points and killing them only grants 5 so you "lose 30" each time you kill a suspect

it's not a hard concept

[surreal pelican]

Stupid question but does incaps net more points? Hidden points?

[frigid sand]

incaps are the same as kills in terms of points

[torpid onyx]

no incaps are worth 5 same as killing suspects exept if you incap an arrest target you still complete the arrest objective if you arrest them

[surreal pelican]

Thanks

I'm hoping maybe the devs one day can give maybe slightly more points for incaps

[surreal pelican]

There's the 2 main objective bombs on elephant, the traps only appear on hard mode

[rocky plover]

well again you're confusing stress with morale

stress is the state of the suspects: from passive such as patrolling or suspicious which makes them hesitate more and are less aggressive (low stress) to active such as pre-aiming, being more aggressive, take more hostages, won't surrender and prefer to "off" themselves (high stress)

now what you were looking for is morale, if you bring their morale so low, they surrender almost immediately, various actions can cause this, such as seeing other suspects dead, getting yelled at, getting hit with non lethals etc...

so usually they start with high morale & low stress, and at the end they will be with low morale & high stress, but there's so many other variables that can fluctuate this

[late prism]

The time when incapacitations are really useful are for suspects you need alive. Like that one michael kid in 23mb/s you fail an objective and lose 500 if he dies yet if he can take a .556 to the stomach and just get knocked unconcious then it doesn't fail it.

[tranquil ivy]

what's the most flex riffle/smg for medium-long range?

[surreal pelican]

Forgot about that, I've been using the taser on suspects that must be taken in alive lately

[lost inlet]

All of them if you can hit your shots.

[late prism]

That is the old reliable yeah, also gets you the extra 30 points. If you take the suspect in without shooting them at all it is best.

[surreal pelican]

Yup, thanks

[willow solstice]

can you deadass run in this game or is that just amod

[covert aurora]

best you get is the speed boost from high or low ready with spacebar or whatever the button is for console

other then that sprinting is a mod

[keen rover]

void made a streamer level to justify modeling anime girls and putting them in the game

[gusty marten]

ides of march might be the best level ive played so far

[stone bay]

It’s cool

[maiden sequoia]

It's kinda sad

[dapper granite]

"suspect down"

that sentence is gonna haunt me

non-lethals yet somehow someone still manages to die

[maiden sequoia]

Hoken shipyard is haunting

[dapper granite]

yeah I'm playing that right now

[maiden sequoia]

Beanbag shotgun to the head

[dapper granite]

they patched that, swat ai no longer targets the head with a beanbag

some dumbass guy just keeps running into line of fire and gets shot

[maiden sequoia]

I always will give them the bb ar

[narrow latch]

Yo

[dapper granite]

I used to too but since I found out it's patched the beanbag is just a way better option

[narrow latch]

whats good everyone?

[dapper granite]

also the grenade launcher is nice to have

[maiden sequoia]

My pathing is i clear the small areas before the warehouse then the building on the right side of the map and kinda bait the rest of them in the open

And obviously wedge of the warehouse

And tower

[dapper granite]

I try to clear everything outside first while wedging off any openings to the warehouse, then try and arrest anyone near the doors before moving further in and hoping my team doesnt get wrecked while doing so

hard difficulty is a pain in the ass

[maiden sequoia]

You know you don't need S to complete hard right?

I think its a D minimum

[dapper granite]

I'm trying to get S rank on all maps on hard

[maiden sequoia]

Jesus

[dapper granite]

hide and seek is the last one I'm missing (not including the DLCs)

[maiden sequoia]

That's my last achievement

Complete the game on hard

[gilded oar]

ok

[rocky plover]

i wish you a very big good luck to you on 3 letter triad

[dapper granite]

😭

[late prism]

Word of advice, when you get into the final area you'll find the only civillian on the map in the left of the warehouse. If you instead go right you can find some containers to open and go in the other way I find easier to clear but be careful if you were too loud in clearing the warehouse a weirdo can run at you with a knife and a gun (if he doesn't he's in the final area).

[dapper granite]

I'm mostly having trouble with the big open areas

especially if theres a lot of suspects there because getting all of them to surrender and arrest them at once is so hard

[late prism]

Oh yeah those bits are really annoying

[dapper granite]

someone always gets up and starts shooting, then I gotta tell the swat AI to search and secure 4 times again, meanwhile someone else gets up again and repeat

[late prism]

I'd typically have my friend hold security and keep the guys down whilst I'd have the suspects move to me in cover

I've never tried it with ai

[tranquil ivy]

how should i set my graphic settings to improve my S rank gameplay?

[rocky plover]

getting them to crawl towards you and cancel arrest animation are your best friends

[dapper granite]

I dont have anyone to play with and 4 dumb bots is still better to have than going alone

I just give all 4 of them shields and use them as a wall to hide behind xD

[wind gyro]

it doesnt matter what graphics settings you have, i play on epic and just S rank

[rocky plover]

true but in my opinion solo without AI can be actually easier

[late prism]

Hehe, yeah I feel that one. Lucky for you I think they're updating the ai soon.

[dapper granite]

gas has been broken since the last update, flashes work but they keep moving around

[dapper granite]

fr?

I only heard about the attachment and optics update so far

oh so you mean like stun them with it while they're already on the ground

[late prism]

I did somewhere yeah, can't confirm it though.

[rocky plover]

1. suspects will be way less stressed so they hesistate more and be less aggressive which will reward you very easy surrenders in the beginning of the mission due to low stress
2. babysitting the AI makes you lose focus on the suspect sometimes which is annoying, doesn't mean they are completely useless though

[rocky plover]

if you just cancel arrest animation they literally never get back up

[dapper granite]

bro you're built different 😭

[rocky plover]

which is super helpful for solo

[dapper granite]

I abused the shit out of that on relapse lol

[rocky plover]

it's very helpful

what happened to him? all his messages disappeared lol

[dapper granite]

yeah I noticed that too

FISA got him

[rocky plover]

i think he's still in the server, just not his message lol

[solemn patio]

Me when the trap is placed somewhere random as fuck:

We need a stun function for flashlights and a strobe feature lowkey

[willow solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-at-camera-fr-gif-25565981

[valid wadi]

@willow solstice hi, the camera is a mod called Console Unlocker. It’s on Nexus

[dapper granite]

dont flashlights already influence the suspect's morale?

[solemn patio]

I dont fuckin know mate

[willow solstice]

thank

[rocky plover]

yea he meant like stunning them (blinding them) like in ground branch

[valid wadi]

Yw

[dapper granite]

that would be cool too

[solemn patio]

Yeah

Make them inaccurate as hell and miss every shot

[dapper granite]

the tarkov treatment

[marsh lark]

Morale, no.

[rocky plover]

stress

[marsh lark]

Not even that afaik. It makes them "suspicious"

So they will go into that area.

But it should not alter any other stats.

[dapper granite]

yeah they see it and notice you

[marsh lark]

They do not notice you.

[rocky plover]

yeah well stress is basically passive -> suspicious -> alert

[marsh lark]

They notice the light, but they still have no idea you are there.

[willow solstice]

WTF I KILLED SOMEONE AND HE JUST STARTED DOING A GOOFY ASS POSE

[dapper granite]

technically but still it's better to walk with it off if you're trying to be sneaky

[rocky plover]

they kinda do know where you are, because they either hide and pre-aim that direction or they push that position, i've baited a few suspects that way

[dapper granite]

they should let you mount multiple flashlights on your gun in the next update so we can just walk around with the sun

[rocky plover]

😂

[dapper granite]

also could be cool if you could utilize the little lamp on your helmet

wouldn't maybe shine as much but just a small light in front of you if you're in a pitch black area

[solemn patio]

Yes.

I want angled flashlights so I can see everything clearly

[primal gate]

I am a massive idiot

I forgot to activate ironman mode

I did a perfect run with no officer deaths or deaths of myself

for zero reward

[onyx swift]

Hey, at least you were ready

I’m sorry to hear that though, hopefully you clear it just the same in the real thing

[swift atlas]

What is a better gun the ga416 or mk18?

[surreal merlin]

is the swat AI still bad?

[gusty marten]

How its taking down a failed assassination

[jolly verge]

None

[rocky plover]

As aspid said but between those two, mk18

[full shore]

If you're looking for the best gun, it's the sr16

No contest

[queen marsh]

um the ga416 is just as good

[rocky plover]

Ga416 is worst 5.56 rifle 🤣

[queen marsh]

so why do SEALs use it

look it up buddy

[rocky plover]

Seals use HK416D

Amongst other weapons

And this is a game not irl

I know hk416 is ga416 in game

[queen marsh]

WICH IS A VERSION OF THE GA416

[rocky plover]

^^ 🤣

[queen marsh]

EXACTLY

[rocky plover]

Wish it was good as irl though 🤣

[pine geyser]

In the words of a wise Youtuber:
If you need to ask about the best gun mechanically in a purely PvE game, what are you even doing?
Just have fun with whatever feels best to you.

[rocky plover]

Amen but you know meta likes to get in everywhere

[willow solstice]

is there a way to hide the hud thing

[full shore]

Government contracts

[marsh lark]

GA416 is hands down the worst gun

in this game

The recoil is as controllable as trying to piss when turbulence hits

[rancid carbon]

Who tryna play RON rn?

[willow solstice]

oh boy am i!

[final ember]

facts, Idk why people prefer it

it's like the character limp wrists it or something

[rocky plover]

Popular irl and so much mis-information suggesting it 'as the best gun'

So people just instantly fall for it

[robust shadow]

Might just be me bit i think the SMGs are rubbish

[final ember]

they are when going against armored targets, which majority of missions have

there's barely an upside to them, the pitiful damage and penetration undoes everything

[robust shadow]

Even unarmoured targets are a pain with them

[final ember]

not if you load your gun with JHP's

then they're...decent

[craggy fable]

felt, happened to me TWICE a few months ago

it was a bug that was going on and you had to enable iron man mode with a controller for it to work... like bruh

[wind gyro]

thats an old fixed bug

[craggy fable]

ye ik its fixed now :3

[wind gyro]

the legend who found it was never seen since

[craggy fable]

i didnt get the achievements cause i got impatient on the last mission but i got the watch, and thats all i cared about

[wind gyro]

we miss you ceasar

[rocky plover]

While they have less damage than rifle calibers they kind of make up for it in fire rate and recoil but yeah not that feasible on medium and higher armors.

[craggy fable]

mp7 go brrrr

[thick dome]

yes, relwtive to several other 556 it is indeed quite a ride. on par with the ga51 actually

[dense galleon]

who got some good mods

i needa step up my ron game

[deep sentinel]

Rico's Immersive Toc 🤤

[thick dome]

lowest recoil AR is the g36, mcx is 2nd but benefits with higher rof if you like auto double shots.

arn180 is the 300 blk choice. almost same recoil pattern as the mcx and same RoF.

beyond those 3, its just a cosmetic choice as all other guns in the respective caliber are statistically inferior

and for 308, the ga51 by a big margin is statistically "best".

[dense galleon]

where

[deep sentinel]

Nexus

Get all your mods off Nexus dont use Mid.io

[dense galleon]

why not

i use the built in thing in the game

[deep sentinel]

Because its shit

Only shows like 10% of mods that actually exist

And they're a pain to get rid of when they shit themselves

[dense galleon]

hmmm good to know

where do i get ricos immersive toc

[deep sentinel]

Nexus has thousands of mods that are updated more often and they're just as easy to download

[dense galleon]

its not showing up on nexus

[deep sentinel]

Weird

[dense galleon]

can I send you a screenshot in dms?

[deep sentinel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/6360

[dense galleon]

Ohhh

Alright

Thanks buddy

[deep sentinel]

All good mate

[dense galleon]

Do you personally recommend any other good mods?

[deep sentinel]

Just take a look through Nexus and sort by last updated

All of Ballistic and HaveDonuts mods are great

Gunfighter is alright

[dense galleon]

Got it, thank you.

[deep sentinel]

All good dude

[primal gate]

Started on my actual ironman run this time

1/3rd of the missions done so far

lets see if I can pull it off again

[latent crescent]

alt f4 if u die fuck ironman mode

[deep sentinel]

Only pussies do that

Do it like a real man

[latent crescent]

hah no

[ornate mauve]

Should i buy Home Invasion Or Dark Waters

[covert aurora]

Yes.

[full shore]

Home Invasion is my vote

[thick dome]

dark waters gets you the ga51 though

and leviathan, which is a quite fun mission

esthetically, leviathan is great as well

also the yacht mission in DW is good too

[hazy token]

leviathan is my favorite mission

goated

[torpid onyx]

ga51/battle rifles are available for all people regardless of if they own any dlc

[covert aurora]

Dlc favorite maps:
Home invasion: Dorms
Dark Waters: leviathan

[sacred dagger]

i havent played RoN in like 9 months or something and i want to get back into it, what version should i look for when looking for mods so that i have the up-to-date versions?

[covert aurora]

Probably september or later.

[sacred dagger]

👍

[stark hill]

Who designed Greased Palms

[fallow cypress]

when the map has wide open spaces

[stark hill]

im tired of getting shot at by Amazon boxes

[covert aurora]

Should of requested fedex

[robust yarrow]

Me

[rocky plover]

MCX does have very good recoil but it's not 2nd, sr16 and f90 have less recoil

[cloud tree]

This game is so boring

I’m gonna delete it

[copper dome]

Okay

[cloud tree]

I think i need to play Bodycam or Operator

I’ve seen Unrecord. That one looks fucking sick

[icy oriole]

Wait a second... CAN YOU DISARM THE S-VESTS IN NEON TOMB?!
My AI teammate just groped a dude with one as if he was examining it. There was no point notification, so I'm not sure if he actually did anything.

Oh, cool. He glitched the civilian so he can't surrender now. 😑

[cedar knot]

Yall know why my game crashes after I use the gas launcher? and also why I cant download certain mods

[rocky plover]

Best bet is finding the crash log and uploading it on tech support

[rocky plover]

The only thing I can think of apart from maybe a corrupted file, is maybe having a mod that conflicts with the original gas or something along those lines if you are only crashing when using the gas launcher, but we need some more information such as the crash log

[cedar knot]

How do I check the crash log

[icy oriole]

Excellent. I keep getting civvies that can't surrender. I have to kill them to end the mission.

[rocky plover]

To retrieve game crash logs from local PC :

• Go to %LOCALAPPDATA%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\Crashes\ (no, not SteamApps)
• Sort the folder by date from most recent
• Open latest UECC directory and ensure it's actually recent
• Upload CrashContext.runtime-xml file here

[cedar knot]

okay

how do I get to localappdata?

[rocky plover]

User, your name, (also make sure you can see hidden folders), or an easier way is just open run.exe and type %Localappdata% there

[cedar knot]

Sorry to ask loll

In settings or the file explorer?

wait

nvm

[rocky plover]

File explorer

[cedar knot]

there's no crashes in saved

Is it NGX?

[rocky plover]

Not sure if it makes a difference but do you have hidden folders enabled in file explorer?

[cedar knot]

uhhh

Now its enabled and I still dont see "Crashes"

I found "CrashReportClient" under "Config"

[rocky plover]

Weird let's go #💻tech-support post a pic there so I make sure you in the right directory

[jolly verge]

Remove your mods

[onyx swift]

Depends on the game at times, but for RoN if I'm going Lethal then it's a "shoot until they stagger or fall" situation
Regardless of the gun or ammo

[torpid onyx]

dont think so

I don't remember whether they were dead man switches or just if you shot the vest it would explode but as long as you don't shoot the civi it should be fine

[icy oriole]

For whatever reason, I keep running into the glitch where civilians won't surrender now. I can't finish the mission until I kill them.

[jolly verge]

Yeah, very useful feature they add with Home Invasion and still not fix it

[icy oriole]

Yaaaay...

[torpid onyx]

how much money on it not being fixed in attachment overhaul patch

same with the floating casings

[icy oriole]

There's an overhaul patch coming? How's it effect attachments?

[jolly verge]

Casings are already fixed on their dev build

[weak storm]

Is there any reason to bring anything other than standard ammo for normal difficulty?

[icy oriole]

Time for me to continue not updating the game so I can play with the mods I like.

[flat adder]

Got an A+ on my first ever time dropping into the game :D

[jolly verge]

Wdym by standard ammo?

[rocky plover]

Which one would you classify as standard ammo for you?

Think he means Fmj (ap) as it's the first one

[weak storm]

Like birdshot w/ shotguns

[rocky plover]

Buckshot

[weak storm]

Potato potato

[rocky plover]

Birdshot ain't gonna do nothing 😅

Well there's pros and cons to everything, but personally I like buckshot over slugs for shotguns

[jolly verge]

Buckshot can be used everywhere, while slugs only up to level 3 armor

[torpid onyx]

the peq15 will finally be able to toggle between an ir and visible laser, you can have multiple rail attachments (eg laser and flashlight together and such) as well as the Devs adding offset optics, optional carry handles for the g36c and mk18 and also the ability to toggle the magnifications of the LPVOs

[flat adder]

Went in with a G36C (favourite long gun of all time) and cleared out the gas station. Was quite proud.

[torpid onyx]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/526476689498178905

[rocky plover]

Might as well use a rifle if I'm going for a shotgun with slugs

[rocky plover]

Isnt slugs up to L3?

[torpid onyx]

and with the g36c carry handle you'll have a top rail so you can finally use optics besides the t2/RMR/sro

[rocky plover]

Also why is it l3a and not just l3 just curious

[jolly verge]

Yeah, mb

[icy oriole]

Lol. I've already added all that in with mods and have the guns I like. I'm gunna ignore the update until the mods I like get updated too.

[rocky plover]

No worries fam

[jolly verge]

3 hours of sleeping

[weak storm]

I’m using the Spc9 w/ default ap rounds would the hollow point rounds be better for standard diff

[rocky plover]

Damn, ☕ here's one buddy

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission

[rocky plover]

For unarmoured yes

[weak storm]

Hospital?

[rocky plover]

But keep in mind AP 9mm won't work that good for armor better than L2

[rocky plover]

Bad then, cos some got L3 so even AP will struggle

Granted there's more unarmoured than L3 but ye

[weak storm]

So any amount of heavy armor and most s m g suck ass

[rocky plover]

Yeah sadly all apart from p90 or mp7 are good up till L2 armor with AP, mp7 and p90 can be used up to L3 with AP

[weak storm]

Well damn that makes a lot of sense I’ve been using a peashooter

[rocky plover]

Kinda ye 🤣

[icy oriole]

URGI with OMM riser and EXPS3, OGL, Shielded KAC flowthrough can, and surefire light. :)

[rocky plover]

I mean the fire rate can kinda make up for it, but yea I would just use 5.56 with AP or .300blackout with JHP for L3 armor

7.62 is also good on standard but eh it's not rly my thing

[icy oriole]

One thing I with the base game had was a return-to-center recoil pattern like what the Gunfighter mod adds. The idea of having to "control recoil" is something that makes sense on paper or if you've never shot before, but it's misplaced "realism" that just makes shooting less fun. Gravity generally pulls the gun back down. Unless you're on full auto with something powerful, you don't really need to pull the gun down, just keep it from drifting after each shot.

[torpid onyx]

95% of the time regardless of armour JHP will be better since with AP against l3+ armour it'll take like 12-15 shots to break thru or like 8 limb shots while JHP is a flat 2 shot to incap (or 3 on increased healthpool maps) on limbs and the shots to break thru armour essentially doesn't matter because by the time you've shot them 15+ times you've probabaly hit a limb atleast twice

[rocky plover]

Yea I get you, I also like the way the mod positions the weapon on screen, I think base game is like that to discourage full auto as much as possible I guess

[jolly verge]

JHP and aim for the limbs or take better caliber like 4.6x30, 5.7x28

[rocky plover]

Just take flux raider and headshot everyone 😉

[torpid onyx]

5.7 and 4.6 are literally just 9mm damage but with beefed up penetration and stagger it's kinda dumb and op

[rocky plover]

Yeah lol I love the mp7 with JHP

For L2

[torpid onyx]

isn't 5.7 like an 80% stagger chance or smth it's almost guanteed on every suspect

[rocky plover]

Ye think so smth like that

[icy oriole]

It even does it with single shot though, and a 5.56 somehow throws your crosshairs into the ceiling with just a few shots.

But yeah, I find the reposition absolutely mandatory, both for visual appeal as well as realism and function. It just looks better as there's less foreshortening and stretching on the model, so the back of the gun doesn't look huge and the front tiny. It makes a huge difference for visibility too. It doesn't seem like much until you change it and realize how often enemies were hidden under the model when that split-second matters.

And I've actually sent POV pics to some indie devs making shooters, asking for feedback, to try and get the lower position in more games. lol. irl, you generally look over the gun, even when shouldered. Many games, like RoN's default POV have the gun raised as if it's to your cheek the whole time. The simplest way to tell if it's too high, imo, is if you can see the underside of the top of an optic. If the optic is partly higher than your sightline, the model is likely too high. Centering it on the screen somewhat, like the Gunfighter mod, Operator, and Ground Branch all do is closer to what it actually looks like irl and makes it easier to have situational awareness in a game, where your peripheral is as wide as your monitor.

[rocky plover]

Yeah I hate it when like 80% of the base model guns hide most of peripheral vision especially on the right side when it gets covered by the optic

[icy oriole]

Exactly! LPVOs become a pain.

I love them, but without the mod, they take up too much of the screen. And a mod to adjust the magnification makes the actually viable.

[rocky plover]

Yeah, even on ground branch where it's slightly better there, I still feel like the lpvo restricts my vision quite a bit

Yeah totally agree

[icy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/arms-crossed-flex-muscles-gif-14905270

Damn, gifs don't work.

[torpid onyx]

any battle rifles with the LPVOs have horrid visability even when my fov is at 110

[rocky plover]

They do work just not embedded on this channel gotta open em xD

[torpid onyx]

it's essentially the entire right of your screen

[rocky plover]

Yeah I play on 120 with gun fov on 120 as well and ultra wide monitor and it still not enough

[rocky plover]

Yea pretty much 🙄

[icy oriole]

Yeah, that's why I find the Gunfighter mod so mandatory. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised the devs haven't made the lower position default by now. As far as I'm aware, anyone who has an opinion on it universally agrees the Gunfighter mod's positioning is just better.

[rocky plover]

Especially with pistols, ground branch's way is so much more realistic than Ron's base way

[icy oriole]

For sure!

Shit. I might drop some of my irl POV rifle pics in the server somewhere for reference.

[rocky plover]

That would be nice

[rocky plover]

Love running into a suspect on purpose in tight cqb (with a pistol not in ads) so the enemy can't shoot because they can't get their gun up and just rapid fire 2-3 shots into them lol

Wish that can happen in Ron lol

[covert aurora]

would be nice if they get close to us their weapons raise

[rocky plover]

Also shining the flashlight in their face, and makes them cover their face

Yeah

[icy oriole]

I keep getting jumped whenever the enemy gets that close and the melee in this game is a light breeze. lol.

[rocky plover]

Yeah melee needs a slightly more range imo

[covert aurora]

more cqc options!

[rocky plover]

It's basically non existent with pistols and with rifles it's still a bit short

[covert aurora]

^

[icy oriole]

Oh yeah! I forgot that GB does that with the lights! I was wondering if flashlights have a blinding effect in RoN because, just now, it seemed like they were less accurate and slower when I have the light on. I usually leave it off because, afaik the AI can actually see it, but I've been leaving it on tonight.

[icy oriole]

Civvie comes up to me: I rotate him like the diver did to that shark. Full flip!

[rocky plover]

Dont think it's blinds them in Ron but not sure