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[solemn patio]

He just breathes in your ear as you play the mission and burps and begins murmuring about his ex-wife while dry coughing

[last sparrow]

literally

just hear beer bottles clattering on his desk

[solemn patio]

Or one that coldmics and is shy af

[craggy quail]

and when you killed a civy, he'll literally smash his hands to the desk and you will hear bottles clattering in the background

[bronze grove]

I miss the old TOC ngl

[solemn patio]

“Toc to lead.. that was a civillian..”

[solemn patio]

LOL

And then midway through the mission he starts getting berated by the chief while his mics on

[last sparrow]

need my mom to be toc, whenever you kill a civilian or do unlawful use of force she just yells at you and beats the mic with a shoe

[solemn patio]

Hear me out

[bronze grove]

If my dad was TOC there would be no TOC

[solemn patio]

Angry asian mom who wandered in and got the job

[last sparrow]

rip

[last sparrow]

basically my mom

[chilly thorn]

toc needs to have a 0.01% chance for a dude to start vacumming in the background

[last sparrow]

[solemn patio]

“YOU KILL CIVILIAN?” [Suddenly a flipflop flies at you and pierces 10 buildings before smacking you in the head, returning afterwards to her hand like mjolnir.]

[last sparrow]

exactly see you get it

[solemn patio]

And it instakills you

You can hear her screaming at her son over math homework one in a while when she hotmics

[last sparrow]

any grade under an A and you just get cussed out and told how much of a disappointment you are

[solemn patio]

“YOU BECOME DOCTOR YET?”

[last sparrow]

my mom wanted me to study economics 😂

[solemn patio]

“MAFAKA YOU GET A B?!GO GET AN S NEXT TIME!”

[craggy quail]

aight have fun chatting guys, gotta go back to my job

[violet thicket]

is the new merch drop limited cause they lowkey dont ship to my continent

[last sparrow]

bye

[solemn patio]

Imagine reddit mod toc

[craggy quail]

I want the judge body pillow fr

[solemn patio]

And he starts mumbling into the mic about his kitten as a chip bag begins rustling

[last sparrow]

need the judge body pillow fr

[last sparrow]

twinning?

[solemn patio]

I don’t

But I want it for the meme

Ill seal it in a glass case and preserve it like a museum exhibit

[last sparrow]

I would actively ask the criminals to kill me

[solemn patio]

I want fast talking toc where judge has to constantly ask what he said in comms while reporting dead bodies

[last sparrow]

personally I dont understand body pillows, like I just buy those big teddy bears that are like two meters

australian toc where its just like a laid back bogan or something

[solemn patio]

“CRIKEY MATE! YOU SHOT A BLOODY CIVILIAN!”

Imagine african toc

[last sparrow]

I dont think I have ever heard an african talk

[solemn patio]

Hmm

Im running out of ideas

Imagine italian toc

[last sparrow]

an uwu girl

[bronze grove]

I'd be willing to do that one lmao, i'm African

[solemn patio]

Like the ones who have a high pitch voice

[last sparrow]

yeah

like the Egirl types

[solemn patio]

“LIGHT THEM UP!!~ YEAH YEAHH!!”

[last sparrow]

I would be willing to record my mom for the asian mom one

[solemn patio]

I would probably do the british one perfect, I had an entire gc and even server convinced I was a brit

[cedar mulch]

I suspect VOID are beginning to slack off; they've opted for irregular releases.

That would be no different from the production team behind the Six Days in Fallujah.

[gaunt venture]

Every single time I make a new preset its never in the right order and it just randomly deletes another preset and its pissing me tf off

[storm belfry]

@solemn patio best gun for termnid in ron?

Or do stab people and stuff

[crude prism]

Me when I make things up on the internet that are easily disproven

[tardy light]

When i scroll sometimes blue doesnt show up its just red and gold??

[quasi coral]

It's a bug

Happened with me as well

Recommend you just fall in gold and then repeat what you were gonna do

[tardy light]

Ofcouse the fisa agent takes a hostage

[stone fulcrum]

Throw back to my first time playing the hospital map going for s rank and I didn’t know npc’s could ‘hidden command’ themselves 🗿 was not having a good day… after attempting on hard 12 other times

[jovial lake]

Npc civs or suspects?

[onyx swift]

Probably the Suspects, if they “use the business end the wrong way,” then no S Rank for you

[brave anvil]

Damn finally G36C and MK18 will have them carry handles back!

[quasi coral]

HOLYYY SHIT I JUST READ A QUARTER OF THE BRIEFING

I take back anything bad I said about the game

Genuinely tweaked my ass out in tuition reading ts, and excuse my ass is that a HYBRID SIGHT??!

HOLYY JUDGE man I'm so unbelievably happy right now, thanks for listening to the all the cag obsessed officers

[onyx swift]

It’ll be great to use a Flashlight and Dot at the same time

[quasi coral]

I agree, and it looks really cool too

Though, just a one extra thing if they want, I'd really like the older looking angled grip honestly

This grips fine, just feels weird on railed guns lol, nontheless if this attachment thing releases next update you bet my ass my playtimes gonna see a hefty increase

[onyx swift]

Afterwards, I’d hope for a CS buff/revert + SWAT AI fixes and improvements

would be a perfect spot right after imo

[quasi coral]

If I wasn't customizing for too long already, now I'll be in a mission

[onyx swift]

LSS broke/nerfed those two aspects so hard

[quasi coral]

S.W.A.T. AI fix is a must.. I'm so tired of their incompetence 😭 (and weird immersion bugs..)

[onyx swift]

I almost lost my S Ranking Ironman Run to it

[quasi coral]

Though as a CS gas hater I won't say anything about it

[quasi coral]

Yea, it's a painful addition for an already painful route

Honestly reading the comments on the post, it's kinda hurting

Like come on ya'll just have a little positivity on the post ATLEAST?

[tardy light]

Remember guys its taking 3 years for them to fix ai

Laser light combo wont save the game

The laser light combo has been available for atleast 2 years. hybrid sights 1 year thanks to modders. The devs have been holding out on those things to say it the next big thing instead of giving us content/fixing the game

[quasi coral]

Ya you're right, still feel bad for any of the devs that worked on this

[tardy light]

The devs are overworked. First the ue4 to eu5, console release.

[gilded oar]

omg Multi attachment officially

after 500 hundred yearsssssssss we finally are getting Multi-attachments

(its not 500 hundred years but it feels like)

[quasi coral]

This calls for a celebration for the caggers

[gilded oar]

yes, a mini celebration I guess? idk

[quasi coral]

Yes let's go to VOID's office and then blow confetti and give out free pizzas or sum

[gilded oar]

[eternal sage]

i might just be a bit cynical, and a pain in the ass, but surely they would have more to show us after months of no updates, right?

[gilded oar]

I am guessing in the next 1 or 2 briefings SURELY

[surreal sorrel]

Who we swattin today boys

[unborn echo]

is that actually heather?

[gilded oar]

also guessing that they are maybeeeeee workin on a briefing that shows more content but decided to tease for what's next for the game

[surreal sorrel]

Yes but I still dont get the pun dura 😭

[gilded oar]

with the multi-attachment

[quasi coral]

Givin me hope man

[unborn echo]

actually and heather

[quasi coral]

If I see the AI not clip into each other when I slightly bump into them

[eternal sage]

as long as they add something of substance eventually bruh. us pc players have been starved for updates. only real content we got this year is the los suenos stories. would be cool if they added more missions to the dlc so it would be worth it because i regret spending money on them both

[quasi coral]

And they're all carrying HYBRID sights WITHOUT mods I'll genuinely start tweaking

[quasi coral]

Personally the DLC's were nice, especially 3 Letter Triad

Really beat my "The missions are quite easy once you're used to em" ass

[gilded oar]

this is what happens to a man who doesn't get updates for months and weeks

[quasi coral]

But ya I've been starving for some actual mainline missions

[eternal sage]

oh for sure they were nice. just not aud30 for the both of them, nice

[quasi coral]

They gave me a feast of attachment updates but I'll finish that and starve again

[quasi coral]

Yea..

[eternal sage]

the narco neighbourhood raid was fantastic. not sure why we can't see more like this, especially since void has the money to hire more, experienced devs after the console release

[gilded oar]

we REALLY need random map generation

[eternal sage]

fr

[quasi coral]

Currently my most played mission, it's a hella fun mission, but the AI skillz make it a pain

[quasi coral]

As in..

[gilded oar]

I don't care what they said in the AMA, PLS just give us random map generation like seriously its so easy to do it

[tardy light]

Yoooo

Like the fallujah game

[eternal sage]

as long as it works effectively, creating unique scenarios which are engaging every single time, procedural generation would take this game to a whole other level

[gilded oar]

tho I am not a dev sooo Idk how Unreal works

[tardy light]

Randomly generated interiors

[eternal sage]

isnt ron built on unreal 4? should be an easy to use, well established platform. not like they'd be doing anything groundbreaking by having randomized rooms

[gilded oar]

sooo I hope Unreal engine 5 doesn't has some limitations on random map generation and they use that as an excuse to not add random map generation

[gilded oar]

uhhhh I am sorry man butttt they changed it to UNREAL FUCKING ENGINE 5 IN THE HOME INVASION UPDATE/DLC

UE5 IS THE WORST PERFORMANCE ENGINE

[eternal sage]

true

unreal 5 was specifically designed to have amazing procedural generation, tho

[gilded oar]

devs who use UE5 just don't bother to even attempt to fix performance but ngl VOID did attempt to optimize the performance so I

[quasi coral]

Don't really understand this kinda stuff, what's the main downgrades?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's better to have infinite stutters on ue4 instead

[eternal sage]

its not well optimized

[gilded oar]

Better Visual but worse performance cuz for some reason most devs using it think the engine can just optimize itself

[quasi coral]

I see

[quasi coral]

I was wondering why my performance is so AHH

The most unoptimized things are definitely the leaves man

[gilded oar]

but they did attempt to optimize it themselves later sooo I'll give VOID credit for that

[eternal sage]

especially the lighting design built into unreal 5. i dont know how it works because im not a computer scientist, but the way lighting is calculated is far more inefficient

[quasi coral]

They are absolutely fiddling my FPS

[quasi coral]

At the very least

[eternal sage]

worst part is it doesn't even look good. i have a 9070 xt, so i can blast through ron at really high framerates, but it doesn't look good because of how poorly optimised the lighting is for amd graphics cards as well

[quasi coral]

I think I know a few examples of that affecting the game right now, but no clue

[quasi coral]

Right??

My PC's not mighty fine but my graphic settings should have it looking mighty fine, but it feels a little weird, don't know how to put it

[eternal sage]

fuzzy? thats what mine looks like

[gilded oar]

also the same happened to a very iconic franchise that got a remaster but destroyed its originality and artstyle

can ya guess it?

[eternal sage]

you talking about the halo remake?

i dont care what people say. im playing that shit

[gilded oar]

yes but also no

the franchise is a more SOLID iconic I think

[eternal sage]

lmao i get you

couldn't even have been bothered fixing the bugs in the master collection, like the audio in mgs 2, before they went ahead and remade mgs 3

[gilded oar]

Rest in peace FOX Engine, you will be missed

"insert invinsible.mp5"

[eternal sage]

honestly my main problem with ron isnt all of the downgrades from the console update, the overpriced dlc, or even the lack of updates. its the game has zero art derection, or atmosphere to it. have you ever walked around the lspd headquarters and realized how dead it is? you'd think there's civillians in there filing reports, journalists around the headquarters after the shooting that took place just moments ago outside etc

and now the graphics have been downgraded, all of the character and grit have been taken out the game, and everything looks washed out. especially on neon tomb

[gilded oar]

overpriced DLC? I thought the DLC would cost 10$, sure its a bit but not sure if its overpriced? unless your a minimum wage worker

tho yeah ngl the DLC should have more content to be worth 10$

[eternal sage]

i can afford it easily, the thing is it isnt worth it

you aren't getting much game for the money you are spending

[gilded oar]

true but tbh in my opinion the game does still has that dark and horror atmosphere but a little bit downgraded

JUST MY OPINION

[eternal sage]

yeah it does, but its just so toned down. especially now, with how buggy im finding the game. it really breaks the illusion of you playing as an officer, entering a real situation

[gilded oar]

hm hm well there is one temporary solution to fix it......

[eternal sage]

ai, especially civillian, breaks the most

[gilded oar]

MODS (Insert echo.mp5)

if you are PC

MODS are the temporary solution or a forever one.........

[eternal sage]

yeah i have over 30 mods installed. it makes the game significantly better, but that doesnt excuse that i paid void interactive real money for a game they aren't working on

[gilded oar]

true....

[eternal sage]

in helldivers i actually had to get rid of my mods, because they added the content into the game

[gilded oar]

well just gonna hope void fixes these Issues if ron really needs to become a true prequal to SWAT 4

[gilded oar]

ahh I see a fellow diver eh

tho I am now scared to even open that game for a second cuz mann somehow my 3050 is unable to handle it

[eternal sage]

worked fine on my 1660 super when i still had it

[gilded oar]

mann fuckin 5070's are having issues with optimization in hd2, how tf is your 1660 super still alive?

you GOTTA be using black magic bru

[eternal sage]

new nvidia hardware sucks. im running games faster on my 9070 xt than my friend is on his 4070 ti super, even with my cpu bottleneck

[gilded oar]

yea........

I miss my 1650 now ngl

spolier alert

||it died||

[eternal sage]

was going to record you a video to show you what the game looks like, but for some reason it drops my fps from 170 to 200 down to 105ish

[gilded oar]

oh no need to I have played it before and saw videos of it

sooo yea no need for it but thanks anyway

[wraith lance]

I'm... Puzzled about the multi-attachement

Was it... Really nescessary ?

[stone bay]

sorry?

[wraith lance]

Do you guys really need multiple attachment in your missions ?

[unborn echo]

yes

[stone bay]

in my opinion i like it, having at least a optic and underbarrel is essential, you can have a laser or flashlight eqquipped, but that dosent mean you have to use it all the time, the flashlight is espically helpful for signalling to your teammates, and laser + IR helps in your canted stance, but its up to preference

in my opinion you should definetly take advantage of the attachments, their helpful

[unborn echo]

in my opinion why are we complaining about actual good new content now

[tardy light]

What content

We have had to option to have laser light for 2/3 years

[wraith lance]

What makes me unconfortable, is that I will have to bind another key far away so I don't push it unintentionnally

[unborn echo]

yeah but now we get to use both flashlight and laser in one go

[wraith lance]

Wish we could "unbind" actions

[unborn echo]

you kinda literally just have to not equip it if you dont wanna use it

[stone bay]

sorry since when did they announce this? was it just today or am i late to the news, new update coming out?

[wraith lance]

Yeah, but it will add the toogle in the option nonetheless, and it will cause conflict, so I'll have to redo some mapping

[tardy light]

Im using laser and light as we speak look in mod chat

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4032

[unborn echo]

same*

[gilded oar]

well you can decide not to use both laser and attachment if you like to

[unborn echo]

check announcement, theres a new briefing

[stone bay]

ill check it now

[wraith lance]

Yeah sure, but ergonomicaly speaking, I wish we could unbind keys then

[gilded oar]

I think you would be able to? idk

I have my laser/flashlight bind set to H

[tardy light]

Mine are mouse button 1 and 2

[gilded oar]

and yea the point of this system is so you can have extra attachments on your gun like both Laser and Flashlights

and scopes also since irl swat in the US do often use magnifiers and laser/flashlight slapped on the firearm

[unborn echo]

you could, unbinding keys have always been a part of the game

[wraith lance]

Never saw this option

[unborn echo]

options > keyboard

idk about controller tho

[wraith lance]

Yeah, but when binding keys, I don't see where the "unbind" option is (since I think Backspace gets a bind)

[tardy light]

Click ''Clear''

[wraith lance]

Jee', never saw that one
I'll check that when I can

[quasi coral]

I think the range really needs an option to close the lights

I know you can just go into the subway turned killhouse but still

[wraith lance]

To what extend ?

[onyx swift]

It might be that the bind to “toggle Dot/Flashlight” makes both come on

I guess they could make it like

“Press to Toggle Flashlight”
“Hold to Toggle Flashlight and Dot”

[unborn echo]

theres a "clear" option on the right side of each keybind

[quasi coral]

They really gotta be careful with the MAUL Laser with the attachments update

Knowing the devs, that flashlight is 100% clipping into the laser sight lol

[tired jungle]

I mean

I don't really care even, i've already got this feature because of mods

[solemn patio]

Maybe theres 4 modes like, Light and laser, light and Ir, No light Laser, No light Ir.

[surreal pelican]

Does the light make the suspects have a higher chance of surrendering?

Or is it just for illumination purposes and letting them know you're there?

[tired jungle]

I don't think it matters

[jolly verge]

Nope

[surreal pelican]

Damn

But the flashlight attachment lets the suspect know your location?

[jolly verge]

Not exactly, it will just make them suspicious

They wont know where you are

[surreal pelican]

oh

[tired jungle]

Tbh even that works like...barely

[jolly verge]

even if you around corner

[surreal pelican]

But the laser attachment doesn't?

[jolly verge]

correct

[surreal pelican]

Tf

[surreal pelican]

It would be nice if the flashlight can act as sort of a mini bang

Just switch it on at their face and maybe make them get blinded for a few secs

[jolly verge]

We have mini bang (M32A1)

[surreal pelican]

It's my saviour for my hard S runs

Almost done with the base game missions for Hard S

[unborn echo]

vote aspid for presidency

[surreal pelican]

I just dropped the heavy armour and went with light for more flash nades

[surreal pelican]

yes

[tired jungle]

I've never ran heavy armor

[surreal pelican]

And for greased palms I just brought 2 throwable stun grenades to throw them over the conveyor belt area

Coz my AI and myself kept getting swiss cheese at that part

Gives some breathing room

[unborn echo]

is that 2 slot really worth getting 2 tapped to the side

[marsh lark]

To be fair you never ever in your life turn away from an entry point.

[tired jungle]

The trick is to not give your back or side to a threshold lol

[marsh lark]

You turn away only once it has been cleared or you passed the dead zone

[tired jungle]

Something they teach you in basically every military is to always keep your plates facing the threat

They don't work unless you do

[wide verge]

I talked about magnifiers and laser/light combo weeks ago. Didn't actually think we'd get it. Looking forward to the update....the only problem is the things that will be messed up with a new patch

any timeline for the update?

[fast path]

Are there ways to disable traps? I know it's "not the point of the game" but I really like the gunplay and I just wanna run and gun

[unborn echo]

mods

[fast path]

I guess so

[wraith gale]

dont play maps with traps

[hardy bear]

[wraith lance]

Don't play on hard

[hardy bear]

Before difficulties where added it was essentially just always on hard mode, right?

[marsh lark]

I can't recall

[jolly verge]

Standart, but i would say casual

[jolly verge]

Before 1.0 yeah

1.0 suspects are pretty much the same as current standart

[chrome sun]

Careful, you might trigger some people

🤣

[native basin]

why is elephant mission impossible to find all bombs

[native basin]

i tought 10 mins

[loud kelp]

and they are in the same place if im not wrong

[native basin]

yo i finally did it

A rank

😭

im gonna play the game first trough then try to s rank

i wanna enjoy it

[cedar mulch]

They are more powerful in RON than in reality. They have sent operatives directly to the United States to assassinate police officers.

I suspect the members of Los Locos are categorised as either ordinary assassins or elite assassins. I suspect the cartel may have trained of their groups.

[unborn echo]

have you seen their equipment in Narcos they got all kinda gears

[cedar mulch]

Although some models are lazy, simply modifying the elephant suspect.

[wide verge]

the mexicans in Narcos are some of the most aggressive suspects Ive encountered. Drum mags on MK18's as well

[cedar mulch]

Some of the weapons in their possession were likely transported to the area with the assistance of Russian criminal groups.

[bronze crypt]

Exactly what I thought when I first played the mission

I’m ready or not the suspects weaponry is usually unrealistic and makes no sense logically or lore wise but in their case I can definitely see how they sourced said firearms, however they are far too precise with it

[cedar mulch]

To be honest, the Spider Organisation is rather stingy with its own people. They supply Los Locos with top-notch weapons, yet they themselves still use outdated submachine guns like the M76.

[bronze crypt]

Playing on hard and being accurately suppressed from more angles actually feels like MG elements have established SBF positions like in a real operation

[surreal pelican]

I finally cleared Hard S on base missions......

[bronze crypt]

My question is, are the Russian suspects present on Port Hokan “official” members or are they guns-for-hire or expandable grunts

If the latter is true then it could probably make sense as to why they would be improperly equipped

[surreal pelican]

My guess is official members coz of their accent

[bronze crypt]

Their ethnicity is already established as being Russian

[surreal pelican]

I'm guessing they're official members coz we see other armed Mexicans in car dealership

[unborn echo]

how so? they could just be contacts

[bronze crypt]

^

[cedar mulch]

The car dealership is largely a mix of Russians and Los Locos. The port, meanwhile, is almost entirely dominated by Eastern European accents.

[surreal pelican]

I mean I saw a few of them wearing suits with balaclavas, same as port (balaclava)

[unborn echo]

the only one that i think MIGHT hold a high position in the Russian gang is the one wearing BDSM suit inside the last containers

[surreal pelican]

Most likely

[bronze crypt]

It could be that the Russian cell chooses those particular weapons because of familiarity

[unborn echo]

none of them do tho, they all wear normal clothes, some wear port worker clothes

[surreal pelican]

And probs cheaper to acquire en masse

[bronze crypt]

The same way LL choose the AR15 platform because it is “local” and because ammo is easy to source

[unborn echo]

all of the suspects in buy cheap buy twice are mexicans, if you're referring to that

[surreal pelican]

Oh

[surreal pelican]

Huh? I remember I saw some Russians there?

[unborn echo]

unlikely, all of my playthrough none of them speak russian

[surreal pelican]

Hm

All I know is, BDSM suit guy doesn't get to walk

[cedar mulch]

The car dealership is a mix of Los Locos and some Russians

But Russians are almost all mechanics.

[surreal pelican]

Yea

[bronze crypt]

I too will say that I recall some Russian voice-lines

Though I may be wrong

[surreal pelican]

Also what's up with the weather in buy cheap buy twice and port hokan? Hurricane?

[bronze crypt]

What are the dates for those?

They could be close to home invasion

Maybe even dark water since in all aforementioned operations the weather is extremely violent and unstable

Possibly due to climate change as is hinted throughout the game

[surreal pelican]

Feb 10 2026 for Buy Cheap

[cedar mulch]

I feel that Los Locos and the Spider Organisation are part of the same storyline, though the Spider Organisation is more obscure.

[surreal pelican]

And Feb 18 2026 for port

[bronze crypt]

I feel this is a more pertinent discussion for #🪹the-sepulchre-arg though

[surreal pelican]

All working together connected, just like the tran brothers and los locos

I'm just curious what happened to the crashed cop cruiser in buy cheap buy twice

[bronze crypt]

Six days apart isn’t that far of a stretch for meteorological conditions to remain the same

[surreal pelican]

Did a shootout happen and the officer tried escaping?

[unborn echo]

they are all connected to one another, the spider do all kind of deals, weapons, drugs, human trafficking, the previous named suspects are just one of their many buyers

[bronze crypt]

I’m just curious why missions in RoN aren’t in chronological order

[surreal pelican]

Same

[bronze crypt]

Maybe even chemical weapons? While technically a false alarm, TLT does hint at some possible CBRN threats

Though it could also have been a test by the USIA for Judge

[unborn echo]

all of the dlcs missions are not connected to the main storyline, except narcos

[bronze crypt]

And to gauge the effectiveness of D-Platoon

[bronze crypt]

What?

[unborn echo]

yeah

[cedar mulch]

It's hard to say; the pirates may not have much connection with them. They seem more like a purely external organisation.

[bronze crypt]

This is stupid

Way to ditch the MLO

Fuck depth I guess

Well sorry

[cedar mulch]

DLC2 is more a matter for the CIA and UPF

[bronze crypt]

I did not know

[unborn echo]

for example that united health something something, only exists in the 2 dlcs, not base game missions

[bronze crypt]

But the USIA should be integral to the lore, as we see in Port Hokan when FISA (and by extension the USIA) liaison/coordinate with LSPD

[bronze crypt]

Interesting approach

Am not a big fan of the way the lore is being handled by VOID

[cedar mulch]

Los Locos' criminal activities may not necessarily be entirely connected to Spider. It is possible that Spider utilised Los Locos' criminal network in the U S to assist in his own human trafficking operations. Following the port incident, they may have withdrawn.

[unborn echo]

wdym not, buy cheap buy twice and port hokan literally confirms they are

not entirely connected as in a deep partnership relationship then probably not, but they are connected

[bronze crypt]

True, since LL’s logistical routes should span through most of the southern US. Complex tunnel systems and shipping routes can be used for other products, apart from drugs and weapons

[cedar mulch]

No, what I mean is that Los Locos have a higher-level organisation backing them. And we know absolutely nothing about the masterminds behind the scenes.

There is no information available on the Sonoran Cartel.

[unborn echo]

sonoran?

[cedar mulch]

Their briefing in Narcos mentioned

[bronze crypt]

Could be based on the Sonora cartel which disbanded and whose remnants are now in Tijuana

[cedar mulch]

The MLO is a thorny issue. In my view, given their factional setup, they never intended to conceal themselves entirely; indeed, they have revealed far too much information.

[cedar mulch]

No, I don't think so. They're more like people who can cover up anything. Because they ordered Los Locos to kill American police officers.

[bronze crypt]

They (VOID) revealed the MLO like 6-7 (don’t.) years ago, and they even made character models

[bronze crypt]

Well Tijuana is directly mentioned as being an important hub for the LL cartel

And for other cells

[cedar mulch]

They may have served as partial inspiration, but the capabilities they demonstrate are far more terrifying. At the very least, they are an enhanced version of the CJNG.

[bronze crypt]

For every faction, VOID has drawn inspiration from actual entities, so I don’t think so

You know

It would be a lot easier to know

If we actually had more fucking content and lore

And more maps with lore/world-building as VOID has shown itself to be capable to masterfully produce and execute before

Speculating is fun and it typically brings more depth and nuance into a world, especially one that reflects ours, but it should not replace actual content and it should not be an excuse to abandon certain paths/projects

[cedar mulch]

Judging by the current storyline, MLO may well become an adversary to external organisations such as the Spider in future developments. Moreover, the Spider evidently possesses deep-state connections, and I believe they possess at least some knowledge of the CIA.

[bronze crypt]

But the DLCs are 98% non-canon so anything meaningful is irrelevant

[unborn echo]

im pretty sure having more lore kinda doesnt fit the setting of the game, after all a local swat team can only have access to so much information

[bronze crypt]

Lore doesn’t necessarily mean classified dossiers

I get what you’re referring to but I don’t think it’s a one dimensional concept

And it doesn’t mean that it should only be about the USIA or cartels or etc.

[unborn echo]

for me the lore and storyline rn feels just right i mean it would be better if we know the outcome of all the missions, maybe it'll come in the future, who knows

[cedar mulch]

What they really ought to do is make the protagonist an FBI agent.

[bronze crypt]

He is

[unborn echo]

you're not gonna believe this

[bronze crypt]

Of the USIA

[bronze crypt]

Lmao

[cedar mulch]

These organisations cannot possibly operate solely within California.

[unborn echo]

yup, the spider for example, im pretty sure the operates possibly around the whole globe

[cedar mulch]

You've misunderstood me. The departments they currently belong to don't wield much authority.

[unborn echo]

its kind of a test by USIA for him

[bronze crypt]

Then it wouldn’t be a SWAT game

[cedar mulch]

Setting the protagonist as a member of the FBI HRT is actually more plausible.

[unborn echo]

i yearn for a relapse rework, a hospital does not need all that layouts

[cedar mulch]

I believe the FBI HRT can still be counted as such.

[bronze crypt]

It’s presumed that he is a former USIA agent (with USIA contacts, and having been spied on and named in mare files/dossiers, and by suspects like Gerard) and a former SMU operator/assaulter

[bronze crypt]

The HRT was in the game, and it technically exists

[cedar mulch]

Moreover, DLC2 does not quite resemble a SWAT game.

[bronze crypt]

But as we have established earlier it is not canon

[unborn echo]

thats what we all said

[cedar mulch]

This has nothing to do with the plot setting.

[bronze crypt]

Then with what

[unborn echo]

it kind of does actually, Ready or Not, in my point of view atleast, WANTED you to feel helpless against those bigger threats

having the protagonist working for the feds would take away that sense of helplessness

each time you bust down a criminal hideout

[bronze crypt]

And to call the HRT “SWAT”? There is a thing such as FBI SWAT, which is part of CIRG, as is HRT but HRT is actually a tier one unit that regularly trains with the likes of CAG and other SMUs

[cedar mulch]

This is a matter of the protagonist's own personal background, but what I'm really saying is: he should never have chosen to join an ordinary police station. In truth, his actions align far more with the work of the FBI.

[unborn echo]

it always leads to another bigger string puller

[bronze crypt]

His background is literally SOF and USIA, and has been planted in the dept as part of an MKUltra experiment

[cedar mulch]

Since VOID has effectively treated this game as a semi-military title, otherwise the events in DLC2 wouldn't have occurred.

[bronze crypt]

And it would undermine the whole “the feds aren’t really the good guys” plot I feel like

[bronze crypt]

Again, we have established that those operations are not canon, meaning that they never occurred and thus not to be taken into consideration

[unborn echo]

this too, fisa have always been shown to be shady, not reliable in their decisions

[bronze crypt]

Separate from the world of the game

Judge never went on the rig

[bronze crypt]

This + Gerard and the farm

[cedar mulch]

I don't think you've grasped my point. His department has limitations. If it were set up as the FBI, much of the plot would become clear. Because they have greater authority.

[unborn echo]

exactly why it wouldnt work

[bronze crypt]

The plot isn’t meant to be clear though

I feel like it’s something you have to piece together

[deep patio]

Wdym a hospital doesn't need that layout ?

[bronze crypt]

And much like a pawn, you’ll never really have the full outlook

You will never know everything

[unborn echo]

the plot is there, but by no conventional means its pointed out for you, it just lies there, as background details, as map design, something that you'd probably miss or never even bothered to consider, but it is there, it was never meant to be clear

[cedar mulch]

Because they won't confine their operations solely to California. Without extending into other states, it's virtually impossible to dismantle any organisation within the game – it's simply too complex.

[bronze crypt]

And that is the entire point; information is out there, but you must be the one actively seeking it if you yearn for the truth

[bronze crypt]

Especially when elements are trying to actively hide it

[bronze crypt]

And that is FISAs job, which is why on Port Hokan you are told to effectively fuck yourself

[cedar mulch]

The pursuit of truth cannot be confined to California alone. For their modus operandi extends across the entire United States.

[bronze crypt]

.

You are simply an augment to FISA for a brief moment

An auxiliary unit

After that, they leave and go on with their “duties”

[unborn echo]

because you were never really supposed to learn the whole truth, you are only supposed to stop the immediate threat, remember that the main character, judge, isnt even a part of the investigation team

[cedar mulch]

Since you're well aware the FBI can't be trusted, it's clear the protagonist must investigate these matters within the FBI itself, rather than merely at the police station.

[unborn echo]

you do know thats not possible right? this is not some sci-fi cyberpunk hightech where we could just become a rebel

the feds dont want and dont need you to know what they're doing

[bronze crypt]

might as well be cod atp

you are not a "hero", you will not uncover the truth and bring it to light

people wont face consequences (such as voss)

[cedar mulch]

To be perfectly honest, your view of the FBI is merely one possibility. The FBI could be utterly rotten to the core, or it might only be partially corrupt.

[unborn echo]

its mid

[unborn echo]

im not talking about irl FBI, just FISA

[fervent hinge]

I got the the hermit achievement but not the watch
Why is that

[bronze crypt]

well in all fairness i doubt the FBI is much better

lets be real now

[cedar mulch]

There's nothing wrong with that; RON's FBI is merely a darker version.

[unborn echo]

im not an american so im not too well aware of its politics or how the federal government works and its scandals

[bronze crypt]

ah cmon mate, you dont have to be american to know the shit that goes down between the feds

[cedar mulch]

Frankly, real CIA isn't quite as mad as the USIA. Because USIA clearly wanted to utterly destroy America.

[bronze crypt]

you give these agencies an incredible amount of resources and 0 accountability or oversight and you politicise them

what can happen

[cedar mulch]

The real CIA could never muster the resources to create an organisation like MLO

[bronze crypt]

oh sweet child

[chrome sun]

If you had an officer go down (but get revived), or an officer got fired, that disqualifies it still

There’s so many bugs with achievements in this game though that I wouldn’t be surprised if something exists for that watch too

[fervent hinge]

The weird thing is I got the achievement which is finish iron man mode without losing anyone

[chrome sun]

Yeah but the watch has different parameters I’m pretty sure

It’s just not written

[fervent hinge]

So if a officer resigns or gets fired I don't get the watch?

[chrome sun]

Correct

[fervent hinge]

That's very Bs

[unborn echo]

its fine if the officer is fired

i'd know because i got the watch firing 10 bazillion officers to reroll for traits

[cedar mulch]

VOID is a hybrid group of Irish and New Zealand members. They certainly don't need to be American to know that.

[fervent hinge]

What about them resigning

[unborn echo]

then no watch ⌚

[fervent hinge]

Welp gues I'm not getting the plat anymore

[chrome sun]

You couldn’t if you wanted to

Getting your sea legs and the home invasion bundle trophies are bugged.

[fervent hinge]

Thos do not count towards the plat
They got their diffrent category

[chrome sun]

Ah yes. PS divides DLC for some god forsaken reason

[fervent hinge]

Which is good
Bcs If dlc counted towards platinum then you had to pay extra money to plat

Does the casual mode still counts toward it or nah
Bcs it dosnt mention it for the watch

[unique atlas]

does he know?

[jolly verge]

Cosmetic unlocks on any difficulty

[fervent hinge]

Thank you!

[modest hare]

Hi are we getting a update on the game toll on ready or not Asking

[unborn echo]

yeah, no one knows when its coming tho

[modest hare]

Ok l wonder if it will cost lot

Is it coming in 2026

[unborn echo]

no one knows when its coming

but they are working on updates thats for, hopefully, sure

[modest hare]

Ok

[cloud tree]

Why do console hosts take fucking forever to pick a map and instead they just be standing there

[bold sky]

i mean a crap ton of people open their servers then afk

just open your own really

[chrome sun]

Yeah it’s not just console hosts- it’s… people. Lol

[bold sky]

i dont trust pugs using a crappy rig to host anything really

tho idk if we have actual dedicated servers now but i doubt that we are likely still on p2p

[chrome sun]

It’s p2p yeah

[light wagon]

uhh I just wanted to say I want to kiss the devs on their cheek for blessing me with these games okay bye

[fast path]

Real

No gunplay comes near RoN

Every shot feels so good

I could re-run the same scenario over and over for hours

[heady wadi]

Gotta love it, I join a session and ready up, insta kicked, I refuse to believe these players have brains

[waxen grove]

4th of never.

[waxen grove]

There will be a free platform update with some new weapons and 3 paid maps. It will also fix 2 bugs and add 10 more in its place. They will squish 2 bugs in the maximum of 2 hot fixes per release in which void will fuck off as they have gotten your money again and only reappear to sell you more dlc, mouse pads or a god dam body pillow.

I sware I have had it with this company. It’s all the frustration of a massive greedy corporation while being a fraction of the size. You have to throw them a bone for being a small dev team but have to criticise them for their incompetence. Like why the fuck did they only just now hire qa tester?

[grizzled granite]

Omfg i hate how enemies kill you through walls

He went behind a thick wall so I couldnt see him anymorr and killed me

[pliant frost]

They do?

[junior palm]

60h in and Wish I could say the same

[waxen grove]

I hardly noticed

[pliant frost]

Lesss go, a new excuse when I suck

[upbeat wind]

when is that update dropping

[waxen grove]

I could say that about swat4 but Ron is so solved. Its ai behaves the same each and every time. Nothing changes between matches and hell even the maps don’t feel nearly different enough.

It lost steam for me before I even got to play all the maps let alone replay them 100 times

Probably replayed gas a hundred times but that’s because it was the only map for the longest time

[marsh lark]

There is no information on when the update drops exactly, but it might be in a few weeks.

[charred birch]

I find it actually quite funny that the AI that stands out the most amongst terrorists’, veterans, security guards, cartel members, dealership owners and cult women are.. Methheads.

[waxen grove]

Every map is cracked ex military junkies with super human reaction time clowning on you. There is not a single level where their skill level feels different

[upbeat wind]

is it just about guns or i didnt read all but i saw something about the guns

[fast path]

Maybe I'm a schizophrenic maniac but something about shooting a gun in RoN just gets me going

[waxen grove]

Meth heads act the same.

[marsh lark]

New feature being added, a DLC and various bug fixes

[upbeat wind]

so i can put flash lights and laser with no mods

[marsh lark]

The DLC has not been announced yet however, so until then we are not 100% sure

[charred birch]

They’re the only ones capable of running at you, so I think that makes them unique compared to the others 💔

[marsh lark]

Correct

[upbeat wind]

is the dlc going to be good

[marsh lark]

That depends on what you like about certain maps.

Imo Dark Waters was good.

[upbeat wind]

like is gonna be real life swat looking or just some normal maps but is gonna be more fun

[marsh lark]

Except 3 letter triad, that is the only mission in all of RoN where I can get consistently beat or have to find one suspect for 1 hour

I am not sure.

[upbeat wind]

i have S ranked that in wait i forgot how long but it was like 20 16 mins

[waxen grove]

It was a paragraph about how Void is FINALLY employing QA testers (how the fuck), a paragraph about how we should expect even less communication from them (hello Adam) and a new tac rail system for the guns. Oh and an ad for a mouse pad cause greed

[upbeat wind]

ah alr

[upbeat wind]

i S ranked it with only one dude thats my frined

took like 15 restarts

(
pain in the ass if you ask me)

[marsh lark]

Expanding, not "finally employing"

[waxen grove]

Potato potarto. It has always felt like QA was lacking

[upbeat wind]

well the update is gonna be in like 3-4 weeks?

[waxen grove]

Try 3 to 4 months

[upbeat wind]

.

[waxen grove]

Here at void we work on months not days

[grizzled granite]

Jeez I feel ai reaction time is too fast

[waxen grove]

Hell we had to wait a god dam year for a patch when we got Adam

[grizzled granite]

Its like almost instantenous. He just one taps me with a pistom

[marsh lark]

Unknown. Someone's guess was in a few weeks, but there is no official deadline

[waxen grove]

And we did that with zero communication

[upbeat wind]

so is gonna drop like in year 26

[marsh lark]

Most likely yes. The DLC was originally planned for Q1 of 2026

[waxen grove]

In before it’s another 12 month wait. Honest the safe bet is 6 months

[upbeat wind]

is the dlc coming with the gun mods or the guns mods is gonna be free to use?

[waxen grove]

1.0 to HI was 6, DW was another 6 iirc and this one was less but was smaller

[upbeat wind]

cuz i wanna know most about the gun add on

[marsh lark]

The DLC will most likely come with that. The general scope of things will be the new feature, the DLC alongside new guns and maps, as well as various bug fixes

Guns, attachments etc is always free for everyone.

The only paid stuff are the maps and cosmetics

[upbeat wind]

is the dlc gonna be like 9 eu?

[marsh lark]

It should probably be the same price as the former

[upbeat wind]

for me 9 eu is 100

[marsh lark]

Aka somewhere around 10 euros

[waxen grove]

Probably the same as the old DLCs unless they want to pull inflation on us

[upbeat wind]

for me thats a lot of money

[waxen grove]

Got any friends? I’m the dlc mule in my friend group since only one person needs the DLCs

[marsh lark]

I have both DLC's as well

[waxen grove]

Tho idk if I will get the next one cause they need to seriously buckle in and fix the shit out of this game

[upbeat wind]

well here is the fact 10 eu can be 100 but im not so sure

but 9 eu is like 100

i will check it when it drops ig

[marsh lark]

I kinda cannot say much about the bugs, because I don't remember experiencing any bug apart from when opening and closing doors on certain maps would lag your game.

[upbeat wind]

i think ima get the dlc later on i just wanna know about the gun mods

[waxen grove]

Join the club. It’s by design. We have told void on a number of occasions but they haven’t attempted to fix it. They only seem to flip flow between too easy or too hard while maintaining the same broken system.
This time they said fuck it and added a difficulty system. Probably put ai tuning in the too hard basket.

Which is fair, the ai needs a full ground up rework because of how many of the issues are just hard coded

[waxen grove]

I take it that it also runs well on your system? NASA super computer or humble rig? Seems to be a lottery as to if the game runs correctly

[marsh lark]

I am running old shit tbh

1060

[waxen grove]

Yeah so humble side of the scale. Does it run well or poorly. Cause it runs like dog shit on my 5600x 3070 rig. Seen it run better on lesser hardware and I have also seen it run worse then my experience on super computers

[marsh lark]

I am running completely fine

[waxen grove]

It’s the most spaghetti code kind of thing

[marsh lark]

The only map where I experience slight detriment in FPS is when I play the oil rig

[waxen grove]

That one ran well for me

Dark waters maps are slightly more optimised

[marsh lark]

To be fair with you, every single game on UE had that for me. Whether it is from an indie studio, 3A studio.

The optimization is hit or miss

[covert aurora]

i mean we could have Arma/DayZ spaghetti code

[waxen grove]

Usually miss. Even Deep Rock misses the mark but runs well enough you can ignore the engine fluff. Only studio that can get it to work is epic for obvious reasons

[mighty hemlock]

Is Narcos difficult????

[marsh lark]

Epic owns it

[mighty hemlock]

This is the thrid day I'm trying to clear it on Hard

[marsh lark]

so there's not much surprise

[waxen grove]

Unreal is not a good engine and I’m sick and tired of pretending that it is

[marsh lark]

It suffices in what the devs usually want.

[covert aurora]

it can be, theres alot of angles and the like

[grizzled granite]

Goddamnit just got one tapped AGAIN

[waxen grove]

Not only owns it, made it. They know every nook and cranny however won’t make proper documentation. And the days of studying an engine to get the most out of it is behind us. Hardware is so good that we don’t need to worry about optimisations. Some modern devs would have such a hard time making a game for limited hardware I sware

[grizzled granite]

Jesus the ai needs a rework so badly

25 mins down the drain

[chilly thorn]

Swat AI or Suspect?

[grizzled granite]

Suspect

[marsh lark]

Sometimes it boils down to devs counting on Nvidia for DLSS

[chilly thorn]

Suspect AI is rather easy for me

[grizzled granite]

Suspect ai is so op

They have like eagle vision

And can see through walls

[chilly thorn]

They cant see through walls

unless its like glass obv

[grizzled granite]

They shoot at me through solid walls constantly

[chilly thorn]

Are u playing modded they can't hit shit when trying to wall bang unless they know like exactly where you are (like if u kick a door infront of them)

The only time I ever think I got wallbanged was in like adam update

[grizzled granite]

Nope, unmoddef

[waxen grove]

They need to get in contact with eezstreet again and figure out how Swat 4s ai tick becaues it’s so more expansive and random. Differing skill issues without giving the ai a lobotomy. Totally different reactions, willingness to give up ( or be stubborn depending on the particular npc)

Swat 4 is per npc vs RoN’s 1 brain for suspects approach. You can tweak per level but not per npc

[chilly thorn]

huh strange, you must be like insanely unlucky lol

[glass heart]

im pretty sure its per faction in swat 4

[chilly thorn]

true suspects need to be more unpredictable in this game its my main issue with the ai

[glass heart]

and within factions there is a range of behavior

[chilly thorn]

they way they act in combat is fine tho

[glass heart]

its not actually per suspect but it may seem that way

[grizzled granite]

Just got killed througb a wall. Again
Fuck this game

[waxen grove]

It’s not just per faction. It’s per level, per faction, per npc.

[grizzled granite]

Wish I was recording so I could show you it

[chilly thorn]

I don't know if its just me playing RoN more than Swat 4 but every swat 4 suspect has like a terrifying pressence lol

the aimbotting in swat 4 was absurd sometimes

[waxen grove]

Suspects in swat4 are more predictable then Ron however Ron you can predict that they will do something silly 100% of the time that will result in your death for putting your self a bee’s dick out of cover.

We know they are always on alart, we know they will also shoot when alerted, actually maybe it is all predicable

[waxen grove]

I played the game. I know the shit you’re going through. It been like that since alpha

[glass heart]

having played the game multiple times in both vanilla and every single sef fork, swat 4 suspects are a lot less reactive and aimbotty

yeah in vanilla you cant kill them as effectively but thats about it

other than that ron suspects are scarier

[chilly thorn]

RoN just needs more animations, One of the dumbest decisions was making the "fake surrender" animation different then the normal surrender animations, meaning that you can just read the animation to predict them.

[grizzled granite]

Its pretty bad. Makes me want to take a break from the game. But all the other parts are pretty good

Its like they have a mirror gun or something

[chilly thorn]

I think it may be placebo because Swat 4 gunfights are done in an instant rather then the gunfights of RoN then.

[glass heart]

thats also true

you wont have a half minute firefight in swat 4

the swat ai and suspects (as well as map ranges really) arent built for it

[waxen grove]

They are scarier because they are cracked.
Shout “police”? Dead.
Use the battering ram? Killed in a micro second
Walked pass a window? You are now Swiss cheese

You genuinely are walking around scared of encountering them because of what kind of wall hack bullshit they are going to do this time

[chilly thorn]

its usually just "DROP YOUR WEAPON! BANG BANG Suspect down in need of medical (combat music plays for another 1 minute)"

[grizzled granite]

Its like theyre on meth and pcp at the same time

Like their senses are so heightened

[waxen grove]

In swat you can shout without dying. In RoN I play it like the fucking SS

They did not comply so I shot em

Shoot on sight

[grizzled granite]

I might not even shout at them anymore

[waxen grove]

Ask questions later

[grizzled granite]

Why give them the chance when they are like aimbots

[glass heart]

stealth is indeed nice

ive done it in swat 4 when necessary too

[grizzled granite]

Good luck stealthing in RoN

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 had a better ROE system in RoN you can shoot 95% of the time

[waxen grove]

Stealth is necessary to survive

[glass heart]

in sef:fr mt threshold, because the suspects will execute civilians (this FAILS the mission instead of just the objective) so i just went in alone and shot every single suspect and deadchecked the survivors

[glass heart]

vanilla swat 4 roe is pretty silly sometimes

[chilly thorn]

25/100

[glass heart]

yeah it was fun

[waxen grove]

It’s shout never, crouch everywhere, don’t do anything that makes noice and treat every wall as if it’s alive and ready to fire rounds into you. Once you see someone drop em.

[glass heart]

the largest negative score i ever got in swat 4 was -2200

[chilly thorn]

its honestly better than RoNs super forgiving ROE though

[waxen grove]

Like I have shot the teens before because of the camera animation. That animation was genuinely the devs teasing us

[glass heart]

i ignore roe eitherway

[chilly thorn]

im pissed off they didn't put that animation on suspects

[glass heart]

well some of them do it

michael can pull a phone after he drops his pistol

im not sure about anyone else

[chilly thorn]

Do you get punished for shooting him for it though?

[waxen grove]

How the fuck?

[glass heart]

yea

[chilly thorn]

oh thank god

[waxen grove]

You genuinely left someone uncuffed long enough for them to pull out a phone?

You mad man

[glass heart]

no its not when he is uncuffed

[chilly thorn]

The phone animation plays when they are surrendering

[glass heart]

he drops his gun, doesnt get on his kness, and pulls a phone while still standing up

[chilly thorn]

its basically a sudo-surrender animation

they always get down right after

[glass heart]

yeah

[waxen grove]

They can get back up after surrendering

[glass heart]

yeah i know and thats why i cuff them

[silver otter]

Cooked

[glass heart]

the phone animation is NOT this however

[chilly thorn]

They can but they basically only do it if you leave them

[glass heart]

they have pulled a gun on me when directly observed by swat ai

i always keep my weapon aimed at their skull until they are restrained

[chilly thorn]

If I have a bunch of suspects surrendered I usually throw a gas on the ground because that stops any of them from trying to pull anything

[glass heart]

the taser is also nice for this, hit some of them which stuns them and go in for the arrest on another

[chilly thorn]

you lose points for the taser unless you melee them though

[glass heart]

im talking about melee

[waxen grove]

The ai is also like a weeping angel. They will not move when you are looking at them but the moment eyes are off bam they get up. I don’t mind if they fake surrender but if they are going to get up and attack me atleast let them do it in front of me. I don’t want to have to push into the open to cuff someone because the moment I clear the hallway the guys going to shank me

[glass heart]

wasting taser shots like that is dumb

[waxen grove]

There’s way too many issues with this game

Way too many that came from Adam

[glass heart]

namely me not being allowed to kill people with their hands up

[chilly thorn]

One thing i find a little annoying I usually think the ROE is too forgiving but you should be able to tase a suspect that is shimmieing away from you and towards more of his friends to stop him

[glass heart]

just deck the points and let me do it anyway

[waxen grove]

Way too many that’s been in the game for even longer

[glass heart]

this is how swat 4 does it

[grizzled granite]

Ive been playing since the closed beta I beliebe

And its been an issue for years now

Back when a lot of the maps were in greybox phase

[glass heart]

its 50/50 how often this gets you a use of force penalty, in my experience it usually doesnt

[grizzled granite]

I think there was only like 3 or 4 maps

[glass heart]

but yeah its dumb that you are expected to let them move away with a weapon in their hand

[waxen grove]

NDA alpha?

[grizzled granite]

It was NDA yea

[chilly thorn]

I like how swat 4 did its progression, I don't think you should be allowed to progress through to the next map if you got a D

[grizzled granite]

Idk if the beta was nda

But it was like, maybe 4 years ago?

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 did it good where it depended on difficulty where elite mode you basically needed an A to progress

[grizzled granite]

3-4 years

[waxen grove]

Was there an expiration data on the nda or a clause? I would love to know the state of the game during that time tbh

2019

[chilly thorn]

It wasn't good

[grizzled granite]

I thiink it was 2019 yea

[waxen grove]

Would of had to be 2019/2020

[grizzled granite]

Cause I was 21 at the time

[waxen grove]

Cause I think 21 was open beta because steam stopped them from dealing keys under the table and using the platform for free (first red flag)

[grizzled granite]

I bought the supporter edition

[waxen grove]

You poor soul

[grizzled granite]

125 i think

[waxen grove]

I almost did

[grizzled granite]

I had a gtx 970 lol

[waxen grove]

Thank fuck I didn’t

[grizzled granite]

Now I have a MUCH better pc

Ive also spent like 330 dollars on Star Citizen 😅

[waxen grove]

I would feel even more ripped off then before

[chilly thorn]

I almost bought it, I sorta regret it I wanna see that sweet old development info thats under NDA

[grizzled granite]

Thats the only game I get FULLY immersed in

Every other game doesnt feel like, its living. Idk how to describe it

Like, the sound design. The music, the graphics are really good

[waxen grove]

Same but the state of 1.0 cemented that we did the right thing

[grizzled granite]

Whatre your specs Fire

[chilly thorn]

1.0 was pretty good for updates honestly

the worst updates this game had was like home invasion

and home invasion was only optimization issues and UNREAL ENGINE 5

[grizzled granite]

I have a 9800x3d, RTX 5080, 64gb of ram,8tb of storage (got like 5.6 left I think)

[waxen grove]

Void are a bunch of greedy fucks. And it’s sad to say that about a small indie studio. They haven’t regained my trust from the Adam stunt and have only burried community sentiment

[grizzled granite]

Oof why did they go with unreal 🙁

[chilly thorn]

ehh they fine, We coulda gotten tarkov devs.

Void aren't malicious they are just a lil stupid sometimes

[waxen grove]

Bug fixes are still missing, game still runs like trash, qa is only just now prioritised

[grizzled granite]

Runs like trash? Whatre your specs

[chilly thorn]

Game runs pretty good wdym

[waxen grove]

It’s either severe incompetence or its deliberate

[grizzled granite]

Im getting constant 140fps

At 3440x1440, max settings

[chilly thorn]

Dude its a game in development there is going to be bugs in development every game like this goes through this

[grizzled granite]

No dlss

[chilly thorn]

look at tarkov and how that game breaks every 10 fucking seconds and then the devs charge 50 dollars for extra inventory space

[waxen grove]

I failed the lottery. 5600x, 32gb ram, 3070 on an ssd. 1080p lucky to get a stable 60 on most maps.

[grizzled granite]

Daaamn

[chilly thorn]

I have a 1660 super and I get 120 fps on all maps on Ultra

[grizzled granite]

That sucks. Shit.

[chilly thorn]

apart from Oil rig

[waxen grove]

Since 1.0 I cannot give them that benefit of the doubt. Its a fully finished and released

[chilly thorn]

I think 1.0 was more of just a "The games more ready then ever" than an actual full release

games have done the same thing before

[grizzled granite]

1.0 isnt that supposed to be release

[waxen grove]

And this is what I mean. This fucking spaghetti code picks and chooses which pcs it likes and which it does. A 50 series card could struggle while a 1660 does not

[glass heart]

it is and it should have been

[chilly thorn]

I think your gpu might be fucked man I don't know if its the game

[stark vale]

Anyone down to play

[grizzled granite]

Do you have the new dead rising fire?

How much fps do you get in that game?

Cause I get like 100 constantly at ultrawide

[waxen grove]

It was release. Price was increased, content was removed and we exited early access. Void could fuck off and never do another update and they would theoretically not owe us a cent

[chilly thorn]

I've seen people run ready or not on a fucking macbook T~T

[grizzled granite]

Content removed. You mean the censorship?

[waxen grove]

I have the new battlefield, getting around 90. Think I can get a stable 120 but my cpu is holding me back

[grizzled granite]

Damn. Yea then its definetly the game

How much vram do you have?

Cause games use a lot nowadays. Alot of games I play use 14gb at my native res max settings
And i only have 16gb

[chilly thorn]

Do you have mods for RoN because your the only person I've seen have performance issues like that

[glass heart]

1.0 did remove map modes and specific scenarios

thats what he means

[waxen grove]

Nope between Adam and 1.0 half of the content was genuinely removed. Replayability gone.
All the different scenarios was removed and multiple maps scraped (we got two of them back now but I’m talking about 1.0 launch)

[grizzled granite]

Whaaat. Whyy? That is so stupid

Oh yeaa i remember the scenarios now

Hostage rescue, etc. Idk why they would remove that

[chilly thorn]

Most the maps that got scrapped were pretty ass ngl except the Hotel

[waxen grove]

Stock 3070 so 8

[waxen grove]

Fast food was promising

[chilly thorn]

Fast food is still in the game

[grizzled granite]

Use msi afterburner and check how much vram is being used

[waxen grove]

Port was better then the rework we got

[waxen grove]

Not a 1.0 it was

[chilly thorn]

it wasn't in adam either

[waxen grove]

It was in Adam

I played it in Adam

[chilly thorn]

I've played a good amount of adam I have never seen it

[waxen grove]

It was hiding up the top left iirc

Or was it right?

[chilly thorn]

yeah but most the maps that were scrapped were not good though, except hotel and fast food

[glass heart]

oh yeah that old lobby system

[chilly thorn]

the old car dealership and port were really bad

[glass heart]

reminds me of payday 2 crime.net honestly

[waxen grove]

Old lobby was better

[glass heart]

you could find contracts around the minimap and also host

[waxen grove]

Old port is so much better. It’s a slaughter house now. A open map perfect for the ai to pixel spot you while you cannot see them

[marsh lark]

Old lobby was a shooting range and a coffee machine

[grizzled granite]

They removed hotel? That was a good map

[chilly thorn]

the old port was fucking grey rooms copy and pasted repeatably it was not memorable in the slightest

[waxen grove]

Still a lot better. Sometimes less is more

[marsh lark]

I like the new as there are some nice secrets for example

[chilly thorn]

its not fully cut, I believe its going to come back at some point because the location is still mentioned in maps

[chilly thorn]

the new one makes a lot more sense and feels like a real place

[waxen grove]

Eh 10000 polygon screw at launch sealed its fate. Currently the issue with the lobby is the 10000 glowsticks producing light. Genuinely thought they could get rid of watchman by hardcoding glowsticks spam into the lobby

[grizzled granite]

I remember back when the firing range used to be right next to the armory

[waxen grove]

It makes zero sense in lore

[chilly thorn]

wdym

[marsh lark]

It is a police station

[grizzled granite]

I get that

But, if you wanna test different guns its a pain in the ass

[waxen grove]

The precinct is underfunded, the building is supposed to be crumbling. Repairs backing up. And here we have a flash big building with statue of the art whats its

None of it screams underfunded

[chilly thorn]

I new you were going to say they are underfunded, I believe that plotline was scrapped since it made no sense.

[waxen grove]

And it’s also lacking in the visual story telling

[waxen grove]

It’s not scraped. It’s still a thing it’s just a throw away line now

[chilly thorn]

they literally have lore pieces talking about how militarilized the police in LS have become

[waxen grove]

The old station had character and this one is kind of bland and not to mention laggy. Lots of walking to do to get from point to point when the old one was so much more condensed with zero downside

[grizzled granite]

Yea I liked the old one more

[waxen grove]

We have both. The lore is so contradictory

[grizzled granite]

Even had like a little uh shooting Rea

Not a firing range. But it had targets with open doors and stuff. A lot better

[chilly thorn]

I dont believe there is anything saying we are underfunded in the current lore

[glass heart]

it would be great if one of these live suspect shoothouse maps on nexus got added to the base game

[waxen grove]

It also had the target system but it wasn’t fully implemented despite working in dev blogs

[grizzled granite]

Target system?

[waxen grove]

Why would we want more shoothouse levels? Ignoring the fact this is the only kind of level that works in RoN why do we generally want more when every level is a shoothouse

[waxen grove]

The paper in the shooting range

[grizzled granite]

Swat 4 or not needs to be updated to work witb the new updates

Cant use the swat 4 voice over anymore 🙁

[glass heart]

i mean an actual killhouse, that just has live suspects in it

[waxen grove]

That’s sad

[grizzled granite]

And there is a Fairfax Residence map mod but it also doesnt work with the new updates

And yhat was my fav map in swat 4

[waxen grove]

You know what

The Swat4 maps show that the issue is the ai and not the maps

[subtle tapir]

why do i have some achievements unlocked despite never having completed them? (steam)

[waxen grove]

Because you can have great maps but non of the atmosphere (because they lack proper scripting systems) and have ai that want to fight for their life.
In swat 4 Fairfax will typically go down easily but in Ron it’s the typical scenario of cracked ex military dude who’s suicidal

He will shoot at you but the moment you push he folds

No one in Ron acts like that and even custom mappers can’t bash the ai to acting like that

[chilly thorn]

The library in swat 4 plays better in RoN honestly

[waxen grove]

Play better because it’s a newer game, not necessarily a better experience

[chilly thorn]

Ehhh the map was kinda shit in swat 4

same with the hospital in swat 4

[waxen grove]

Got it

Strange but ok

[chilly thorn]

swat 4 has lots and lots of flaws and a lot of the later maps in the game feel very bad to play

maps like the biology thing were just hell

[elfin osprey]

where are ready or not game saves and lodaouts saved on the pc, in appdata?

[cursive minnow]

Yea but loadout presets are contained within a file that includes a bunch of other data and it's not a file you can really edit and removing it would erase a bunch of other data. They're located here: %localappdata%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\SaveGames

[elfin osprey]

okay so if i have a game installed on Drive C, when i delete it from this drive, i will still have my lodaouts and game saves on my pc right?

[cursive minnow]

Yep that stuff will only be removed if you delete manually.

[grizzled granite]

I feel like the soundstage is off

Very well could be my headphones though

Got a pair of Hifiman HE400se's

Like it'll sound like they are behind you when they arent

Oh yea whatever happened to the super detailed gore system they were gonna have? That scrapped?

[drowsy chasm]

Can someone get back up if their incapacitated and you don’t restrain them

[grizzled granite]

They need to add back scenarios

Idk why they would rrmove that. Makes no sense

Where do the bombs tend to be on Eleohant?

I found the first one in the computer room

[pliant frost]

Anybody has link to that google sheet

[crude prism]

It's pinned in here for future reference #👮ron-discussion message

[pliant frost]

thx buddy

[fast path]

tbh I don't even play the game the way it's "supposed to be played" at all I just run and gun and shoot everything I don't care about the score or anything

And the modding scene alongside the content provides enough variety in terms of guns and scenarios for me

I really love gucci gear and hardware, vanilla RoN and modders nail it

Dude the gunplay is so so good

I wish other games like EFT had that good of a gunplay

[crude prism]

EFT be like: if the gunplay was good people would suffer less

[fast path]

I mean I would definitely enjoy it more

Not saying that it's a core issue

https://streamable.com/jygwby

Like this is just pure joy

[crude prism]

widest screen monitor

peak

[fast path]

Literally is

Based take

[grizzled granite]

21:9?

[fast path]

32:9

[near goblet]

guys i beat all missons in singleplayer on standard with s rank and unlocked all cosmetics but medal of valor achivement is stuck at 16 out of 18

relaps and hide and seek did not register

[fleet musk]

i believe the games achievements are kinda bugged

not sure but a year ago i logged in the game and didnt have any achievements

then i didnt play for a while and one day when i logged in RANDOMLY a lot of achievements came back

anyways dont yall think it would be fun as hell if the game had a military mod?

i mean i love the gun mechanics and some gears, i think it would be amazing for urban warfare (i know its still ongoing but the ukraine-russia war sites would be perfect for it)

[marsh lark]

Achievements are to an extent bugged, yes

For some people it works, for some people it bugs

[fleet musk]

fuck em

[chrome sun]

The bundle achievements bug for most people. So, yeah, they’re pretty bugged

[tough veldt]

Its happening to a lot of people, in particular the DLC. Theres no patch yet

[sonic tendon]

does anybody got any advice for doing the “buy cheap, buy twice” mission?

[charred birch]

Do you mean a specific approach as in the path you should take and all, or simply advice about what loadout to bring, etc ?

[sonic tendon]

more just like the approach and the paths

[charred birch]

I’d recommend bringing NVGs for some of the darker areas ; or if you prefer you could just bring a flashlight and that’d work just fine as well. I find wedges really useful on that mission but that’s all up to the way you like to play !

Because it allows you to essentially lock all the suspects in one building while you take care of the other one (a big garage)

That’s just one approach though, you could always start with the dealership itself and then clear the big garage at the end !

Also, it’s not visible for some suspects but make sure to bring AP rounds since they do wear armor

[glass heart]

me personally i work the main building after wedging off all its exist barring my entrypoint and the garage door, then i move out into the parking lot while using wedges to cover openings and move into the garage last

[sonic tendon]

does it necessarily matter what guns i use in the mission cause right now i’m using the sa-58 and the fiveseven pistol

[glass heart]

as long as you can make hits any weapon is fine

i would avoid anything less than a 5.56 for longer ranges though

the sa-58 is perfectly capable for everything this game has

[charred birch]

Honestly guns rarely ever DO matter, it’s only the caliber. Battle rifles like the SA-58 will.. Destroy anything on your path LMFAO but 5.56 guns are just fine as well

[glass heart]

bonus of the sa-58 is it sounds a lot more violent than literally any other weapon

i have no clue why but it just does, especially unsuppressed

[sonic tendon]

yeah i noticed that lol

thanks for all the advice though it means a lot let’s just hope i actually get through this mission now without dying

[charred birch]

This mission is alright in my experience, I think it’s actually the perfect size for a map since it’s not too big but not too small !

[glass heart]

cesars is definitely a large map imo

sure, not as huge as hide and seek but i wouldnt personally say its medium sized

[charred birch]

All missions can be difficult on the first attempts while you still get used to the level design and the AI ; but I wouldn’t call it a difficult map by any means

[glass heart]

moreso the level layout honestly

when i did the levels again for s rank and i knew the layout they went very very smoothly compared to the first run

[charred birch]

I mean, that might just be me but I find it to be pretty reasonably sized. Well, for a dealership it’s fucking HUGE but the map itself feels alright to me

[glass heart]

oh for a map its pretty alright

[sonic tendon]

i should probably use the mirrorgun

[glass heart]

but for what the setting is ive never seen a dealership even half its size lol

[sonic tendon]

oh 100% it’s genuinely ginormous

[charred birch]

The mirrorgun is always useful ; actually it’s probably the best long tactical for Judge out there 😭

[sonic tendon]

it’s a lifesaver sometimes

actually most of the time lol

[charred birch]

Yeah the game does have issues with designing map sizes proportionately to their settings

Like, the gas station as a MAP is actually medium/small sized which makes sense for a first mission, but I don’t think even Texas has gas stations that big 💔

[pliant frost]

Do you use steel or ceramic armor? Personally, I use ceramic front/back on me and front/back steel on AI. Which is better

[charred birch]

I personally use ceramic armor since steel makes you WAY too slow and occasionally taking damage from it is pretty annoying : the AI matches your speed no matter what armor they wear, so you may as well give them full steel

Plus, you can’t take friendly fire from steel armor, so it’s one less thing to worry about

[sonic tendon]

can i still get above a B grade if one of my officers died

cuz one of my officers got shot in the neck

[charred birch]

I mean ; if you take enough suspects alive and do the soft objectives and collect all the evidence then I GUESS it’s possible ?

I’m not too sure

[sonic tendon]

welp as long as i get through the mission and move onto the next one then i’m happy

[charred birch]

I honestly wouldn’t bother with grades if it’s your first playthrough

Sure you get cosmetics with better grades, but what matters is moving onto the next mission honestly

It’s not worth ruining an entire run just for the sake of getting an S rank

[charred birch]

Oh well THERE you are

[sonic tendon]

god this mission is a bit of a headache

[pliant frost]

I'm rarely even hit hard enough to torso to break my ceramic plates. I can't remember if I died even once because of no protection on torso. Most of the damage taken is from my limbs

[charred birch]

Enemies rarely ever go for your torso, honestly

[pliant frost]

Because when the plate breaks, its white color simply disappears from the paper doll, right?

[charred birch]

Exactly ; so all it takes if a few shots for Judge to fuck off and die 💔

Otherwise, the ceramic plates really offer the best balance between mobility and protection

[pliant frost]

And what traits are you using? Currently x2 Negotatior, x1 Armorer, x1 Nutritionist

[charred birch]

Personally I use 2 intimidators and 2 pacifiers !

[shell sky]

is the gaame worth it?

[charred birch]

But to be honest ; I don’t play commander mode all that much because while it’s fun to unlock new traits for my officers, I find the mental health aspect of it to be kind of bullshit

[final rover]

YES

[shell sky]

50 bucks fr??

[pliant frost]

It depends on whether you are playing on a computer or on a console

[shell sky]

PC

[pliant frost]

Imo

[shell sky]

worth?

[charred birch]

For what reasons..

[charred birch]

BECAUSE I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

[final rover]

..the plot

[charred birch]

The plot.

Whatever helps you sleep at night hun

[shell sky]

is it worth it or not

on PC

[pliant frost]

Then go for it, mods make the game much better. There is a couple of bugs to be honest, but summing up, it's a pretty fun game, currently 300h in

[charred birch]

Yes

[marsh lark]

You get modding support

[shell sky]

lr

wheres mods

nd links

[pliant frost]

Nexus mods

[marsh lark]

Nexus mods or mod.io

but mod.io does not have many mods

[pliant frost]

Most of them

[iron shadow]

Hey guys, do you know any maps from iraq, or like that region?

[charred birch]

Honestly I’m not sure if there’s any middle eastern map since it’s a SWAT game ; it’s worth digging around though