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[unborn echo]

gulps

[storm belfry]

You will be cursed forever with bugs on RoN...

[fallow cypress]

I cast! Inconsistent AI difficulty!

[worldly ridge]

suspect drops AK
other suspect w/o weapon immediately bashes door open from other room and beelines for the frehsly dropped AK
This is unacceptable

On another note. With all the G3s in the game, can we get an HK33? (5.56 STANAG version)

[jade sparrow]

Any mods that add new SWAT AI names, surnames and possibly models?

[civic linden]

Your mother.

[wintry quarry]

What map has the girls in the truck?

[upbeat shore]

Truck *Container

Its Port Hokan

[wraith gale]

Hort Pokan

[wintry quarry]

I cant find it?

Is it a dlc

[upbeat shore]

Its the last map of the base game

[wraith gale]

hide and seek is the name

[wintry quarry]

Oh yes thanks

[forest orbit]

guysssss if u look in sins of the father on the second floor, when u go in through the roof and turn to the piano room on the left, the piano is playing itself

[wintry quarry]

I can not find them i keep dying 😭

[warm thicket]

I’m never getting S on Ides of March ✌️🫩

[graceful kraken]

M32A1 Launcher calling your name

[warm thicket]

Can’t get it I’m on PlayStation

[viral stratus]

for the toxic fumes achievement are we allowed to use attachments

on the VPL 25

[solemn patio]

Oh god im gonna have to do greased palms now

I heard very bad things

[tired jungle]

goated

[solemn patio]

Should I just run all .300 blackout (.308 is overkill for me most times, I use it at range, and as a meme.)

I wish that the MK17 had less recoil

Its too big not to

[ivory kiln]

Are there any enemies with LVL3 or higher vests,reading the wiki it seems that most enemies use 3A armor at most

I know the qadamah at neon tomb and the school shooter wear lvl 4 vests,but anyone having lvl3/4 armor?

[crude prism]

bazinga

[ivory kiln]

Thanks bro

Looks like lvl3 armor doesn't exist in this game

[chilly thorn]

wasn't it bugged on the yacht where like everyone would have armor even if they weren't wearing ending.

[crude prism]

afaik, no

[ivory kiln]

LVL3A can be penned by 5.56 JHP right?

[torpid onyx]

the visual models don't incidicate armour level

[torpid onyx]

especially prevelent with carrier of the vine

[chilly thorn]

yeah the hawaiian shirt dudes would have armor but I think they changed it to them having none

[crude prism]

nope, it's the one rifle round that doesn't go through with JHP

[ivory kiln]

awwwwwwww

that's a shame

[crude prism]

yeah, either you bite the bullet, go AP, or uptier to .300blk

[stable kernel]

5.56 users in shambles when a flesh damaging round can’t pen armor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452425840274309120/1392977712242495558/pepperspray_cat.gif

[crude prism]

meanwhile .300blk hollow points are punching through L3A plates that should be rated for up to 7.62x51 ball ammo

[ivory kiln]

i thought about changing to jhp for more damage,since only a few suspects wear lvl4 armor

this changes a lot of things

[crude prism]

yeah once you learn about the system, that .300blk JHP starts lookin reeeeeeeeeeeeeal nice

[ivory kiln]

damn,and i switched from the lvar to the 416

shouldn't have done that in the first place

[torpid onyx]

JHP is only useful on like a handful of maps without armour

[crude prism]

it's useful for the limb damage alone

[torpid onyx]

asuming you hit limbs

[placid surge]

Doesn't matter when the stability of my weapon means i can take headshots, especially useful in hostage situations

[crude prism]

aim center mass, arms will catch enough rounds

[chilly thorn]

can we pretty please with a cherry on top can we get the ability to cook CS grenades

[maiden parcel]

Would reccomend faint by linkin park on full blast and siege style rushing in valley of the dolls

[torpid onyx]

cooking your hand if you let it wait too long

[quasi coral]

5.56 guns look way more cag

Therefore = better

[quasi coral]

No because you can't carry anything to cook it with like a stove or sum

[pastel hill]

Been trying to beat Mirage for like a week now I can usually get at least 9 suspects arrested before I usually get JFK treatment by a suspect

[quasi coral]

I've found out that you can carry wedges and after arresting civis you can lock the door to the room

[pastel hill]

See that’s normally what I do I’ll have my officers wedge the far side doors so they have no choice but to come to us but half the time I’ve already taken so much damage I’m practically done for

Also tried iron man mode got through it pretty easily until twisted nerve damn cook bum rushed me mid suspect arrest

Sucked because I was doing so good had everything on check then i thankfully completed it my 2nd time through but died on the spider because I didn’t see a second suspect just outside my peripheral vision

I’ve learned to approach bigger rooms with careful intention and not get greedy with arrests too often I think it’s safe then some wacko with a modified M16 just sniped my head clean off

[quasi coral]

Wedges also solve that problem for me, but I play commander mode so usually I got my boys covering

[storm belfry]

I've never used Wedges

[quartz hawk]

So, I just want some opinions, would we say that the game is at the point on Xbox where its worth the $50? Very interested but I'll definitely hold back if the game is still in a very bad state currently

[quasi coral]

Always carry em with me, and my team

Lockpick gun included cause I can't stand the default lockpick, and of course, C4

Well it's usually the middle between C4 and Wedge, though I normally go C4 and give the wedges to my team

[chilly thorn]

They are really good but they don't feel useful since it doesn't do the thing in swat 4 where you can actually hear the suspects try and open the door and get mad that it wont open, It leads to them feeling like they dont do anything.

[storm belfry]

The monkey pulling on the door gif

[chilly thorn]

Yeah, it sucks that suspects just telepathically open doors in this game, they look like fucking gmod npcs they gotta change it.

[storm belfry]

Suspect just breaks down a door with a crowbar

[chilly thorn]

I'd kill to see a suspect kick a door open

[copper cypress]

Do you guys think the cover penetration of a bullet is more important or its stopping power on hands and feet?

[storm belfry]

"Judge is a highly trained professional, he doesn't need to hear all of this!"

[chilly thorn]

you mean like armor penetration or limb damage?

[storm belfry]

I prefer how fast it drops a fella with a pint sized knife

What matters is more the ability to kill without killing the guy behind that guy unless I shoot both of them

[chilly thorn]

thats why smgs are goated

[copper cypress]

Yes

[quasi coral]

Always stopping power

[chilly thorn]

Probably Armor penetration, especially if your only hitting hands and feet because currently in the game that basically does nothing.

they don't even react lol.

[clear bison]

🥺

[quasi coral]

As a police officer, you're mission is to end the threat, and save as many lives as possible

If theres an enemy perched up in cover behind a wall, I think covering the door and tossing a bang in there is the right way to go

But if a threat is put infront of you, you put him down, put a stop to him

[copper cypress]

[fallow cypress]

The lion does not listen to ROE

[tacit raven]

anyone else stuck on load screen when trying to join public lobbies?

I launched clean/no mods

[robust yarrow]

Stopping power is a myth

[torpid onyx]

facts

it was made up by 45 owners to cope about the fact 5.7 is secretly better

[sly viper]

I’m on console and I don’t know where my controller is cause I just moved rooms so I’m trying keyboard and mouse and this is really hard to do but also it’s really fun compared to controller

[robust yarrow]

5.7 supremacy

[sturdy chasm]

Beanbag shotgun is a W for S rank grinding

[quasi coral]

Honestly wish there was an option to move the sights closer or further

Why does my elcan sight gotta be so far from mah eyes 😭

The reticle even stretches out of the sight cause of this

[torpid onyx]

yeah they really should let you choose where the optic is on the rail

[copper cypress]

When will we get JHP that can penetrate L4 armor?

[fallow cypress]

do those rounds even exist in real life?

[torpid onyx]

as long as they're big enough rounds

just give us like 338 win mag or 300 win mag

when will we got a playable helicopter sniper

[grave crown]

I think the ai teammates are broken

they sometimes throw 2 grenades

or do grenade motion with no grenade when I use command move and clear..

[torpid onyx]

yeah that happens

and sometimes they throw a grenade that clinks onto the floor and it's just a dud that doesn't blow up

[robust yarrow]

Me when I take off some poor dude's head with a .338 Lapua Magnum from my LSPD chopper because he jaywalked

[silk elbow]

Anyone know when the new update for the game is set to drop?

[unborn echo]

once every devs feel like it

[junior palm]

I heard 2026 or 2027

[silk elbow]

Be nice if we knew a little bit more about the new dlc they are working on

[surreal pelican]

Which would be better? JHP or AP on both primary and secondary?

[junior palm]

Would like to see more sights and optics honestly

[surreal pelican]

I just got the game two days ago and I'm doing a non lethal run to S rank everything before I just go ham

[junior palm]

AP on everything, that's what i use

[surreal pelican]

Stupid question, from videos that I watched, will armoured targets get staggered if they get hit by JHP on the vest?

[junior palm]

Same, put it on casual and just go for s, im stuck on neon club mission tho

[surreal pelican]

Flash MGL is a godsend too; it helped me in greased palms in two tries today (first attempt A+ because I couldn't find one missing piece of evidence)

[surreal pelican]

Flash MGL?

Rn for my S run attempts I gave my squad and i all flash MGLs and it's working out great so far, 2 wedges per person too and 2 stingers and flashes for everyone too

[junior palm]

I keep getting hostage killed, can't even come close

[surreal pelican]

Neon club right

[junior palm]

Yes

[surreal pelican]

My next one is valley of the dolls

[junior palm]

They are brutal

[junior palm]

That one was alright, nothing crazy

[surreal pelican]

In my first greased palms run, the perps took one of the employees hostage but I just shot at them with the flash MGL

[surreal pelican]

I want that Hawaiian shirt

[bitter mason]

It depends jhp less effective against armour but potentially can stagger
Not sure how good that strategy is for getting arrests with vanilla ai
But jhp is very good against non armoured targets
Ap is better against armour and not as good against non armour

[bitter mason]

Gl getting that s rank

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, I'm planning on doing JHP for my primary and AP for my secondary (5/7 pistol)

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, if I succeeded in greased palms then I'm sure valley should be the same

I'm just running all flash MGLs

[torpid onyx]

if you're on a map with l3/l4 armour JHP usually isn't a great choice unless you're taking 9mm/45 which are useless on l3/l4 armour even with AP

[junior palm]

Ai getting me killed like crazy in that one mission with underground tunnels, they keep blocking the door when im getting shot at

[torpid onyx]

this doesn't mean use 9mm or 45 though they suck

[surreal pelican]

Will 556 or 762 JHP work with staggering L3/L4 armoured enemies?

[torpid onyx]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

how about just use AP

[surreal pelican]

I'm just worried about the overpen part

[torpid onyx]

seems easier to just put like 1 or 2 more rounds in an unarmoured suspect then relying on a stagger

[surreal pelican]

For my secondary i plan on running 5/7 AP

[torpid onyx]

5 to 7 mags for a secondary?

are you insane

[surreal pelican]

No 57 pistol I mean sorry

[torpid onyx]

5.7

[surreal pelican]

Yea 5.7

Whoops sorry

[torpid onyx]

also overpenetration doesn't really matter for 5.56

and plus Ive never even had to worry about overpenetration like the chance a civi is right behind a suspect that you arnt aware of is exceptionally low

[surreal pelican]

Ah

[surreal pelican]

Wdym by this? 5.56 AP usually doesn't overpen?

[torpid onyx]

yeah

[surreal pelican]

Nice

Thank you for the advice, right now I'm just doing S rank grind

[junior palm]

What's Iron-man mod?

[torpid onyx]

why are you using lethal weapons for S rank?

thats beanbag, nades and pepperball only

[surreal pelican]

I'm using all flash MGLs, I was just curious as to what's the difference between JHP and AP since I was reducing my secondary mags to get more flash MGL nades

[surreal pelican]

If you die everything gets reset

[torpid onyx]

AP is more effective against armour and retains more damage against armour but deals less damage to limbs, JHP deals more damage to limbs and unarmoured targets but isn't great at penetrating armour
stuff like 9mm/45 and I think 5.56 are nearly useless against l3/4 armour with JHP varients

[junior palm]

Dam,so im never getting that cosmetic

[surreal pelican]

So 5.56 AP for better effectiveness in general especially armoured targets

[torpid onyx]

also ap means armour penetrating and JHP means jacketed hollow point

[torpid onyx]

using AP will generally be more consistant then JHP if you're dealing with targets that vary in armour

[surreal pelican]

Thanks :))

[surreal pelican]

I mean.. my planned method for iron man is to just use the same all flash MGL for my S rank runs

[torpid onyx]

on maps like twisted nerve or thank you come again with unarmoured targets then JHP is techncially better but they're unarmoured target, bullets will kill them pretty easy no matter the type of bullet since they're unarmoured

[surreal pelican]

So still best to do flash and clear, I'm still running 2 flash and 2 stingers

[surreal pelican]

Is there any benefits to dealing extra damage to limbs? Higher incapacitate chance?

[torpid onyx]

you deal more damage to limbs meaning it'll take less shots to kill if you hit limbs

[surreal pelican]

Nice

Damn.. well.. I think I'll just try both against non armoured and armoured after my S run grind :))

I always like to aim for weak spots/unarmoured spots to deal max damage (Helldivers 2 players where are you?)

[torpid onyx]

also incap vs kill is essentially no differant the only differance is that if you have to arrest a target Incapacitating them will still pass the arrest objective and then for dead suspects they can actually fake being dead and will be labled as "dead" but if you didn't actually deal enough damage to kill them they can get back up from faking

incapaciation just means you dealt over 160 damage dead means you dealt over 320

[surreal pelican]

I see I see, it's better to just incapacite suspects right over killing them? Since ROE and lesser points if they die and objectives requiring certain people to be alive

[torpid onyx]

no incapaciation is no differant besides if you have an arrest a specific target objective

it gives the same points for your overall grade

[surreal pelican]

Oh

[stone bay]

completed everything on s and the medal of valor achievment still stuck on 17/18 💔

[torpid onyx]

it should technically give you the points for a living suspect but they only give 5 (same as killing) not 35 (arrest)

[surreal pelican]

So.. incapacite is better for specific targets that need to be alive like the FISA agent

[torpid onyx]

yes though best case scenario is using less lethal because you can accidentally kill them rather then Incapacitating them

incapaciting FISA adams and then arresting his body will count as passing the obj though

[surreal pelican]

Thank you :))

Nice, coz once I'm done with S run grind I wanna use lethal options but still be able to deal objectives like capturing certain perps that need to be alive

[torpid onyx]

it's very easy to accidentally kill though rather then incap

it's better to just use a taser or a nade

[surreal pelican]

Will there be a higher chance of incap if I aim for the limbs via JHP/AP?

[surreal pelican]

Got it

[torpid onyx]

if you aim for the limbs with AP "maybe" since limbs take less damage from AP but it's difficult to only hit limb shots and not reliable

just use less lethal

if you're engaging with lethal then you have to accept you might kill them

[surreal pelican]

Aight

For now I'll just continue with my S rank grind, thank you officer

[wary mango]

Just came back to the game after a short break, what the hell has happened to the performance on PS5? the frame rate is so bad.

[fallow cypress]

@jaunty iris the humble door trap:

[jaunty iris]

i just died to it again. thought the radio always reports when there are traps💔

[fallow cypress]

its a rite of passage

[quick narwhal]

about to do S rank run on hard mode on greased palms wish me luck

[deep patio]

Yeah that's definitely gonna be fun

Totally not soul crushing

[quick narwhal]

why did they release hard mode now i feel inclined to complete it

[winter tusk]

apparently you can use lethal ARs. you just have to not kill them

[quick narwhal]

i didnt know that but i already stuck with the beanbags

[torpid onyx]

are you on graphics mode

graphics mode for consoles is booty cheeks
performance is the only acceptable mode since graphics is like an unstable 15fps that feels like a flip book when you shoot

[wary mango]

nah, I always play on performance. Switching it between the two fixed it for me though

[warm thicket]

That goes for almost all “arrest _____” objectives I think too

[dense vault]

Legend, thank you very much.

[young smelt]

hey, im trying to have my team wait at a door while i check for traps but when i use "open and clear with leader" they just keep opening the door on their own. should i have them stack up and just queue open and clear instead??

[jolly verge]

They open the door and wait when you enter to follow you

Yeah you can queue instead

[torpid onyx]

just have them check for traps

if you have them peek/pie/mirror and there's a trap you'll get a new prompt on the list to disarm traps and they do it

traps are too finicky and suck to deal with

or if you just peek the door you don't even need to check and if there's a trap you'll get the prompt and you can make your team do it

also what clear with leader means is they will open the door and do whatever action (like flash) if you told them to them once you enter they follow rather then they enter first

you have to put it in queue for them to wait at a door

or just tell them to stack on the door which is a seperate "stack" command

[glass heart]

if all else fails and you want violence of action you blow the door with c2 (make sure your guys are AWAY from the door because the sympathetic detonation of the frag is still lethal)

personally i stack my team and defuse it myself

only risk to this is if theres a suspect behind, they can detonate the trap if they hit it with rounds

but the mirror gun can provide adequate security against this

[visual geyser]

guys is mission pass alpha includ dark waters and home invasion???

[fallow cypress]

some dumbass in a pub lobby kicked down a door while I was disarming a trap

[celest wren]

Can I join?

[remote marsh]

One quick question about RoN is it very easy to spot a civil who fakes the capturing?

[warm token]

best way to put it is… Make sure you’re always ready to shoot. And make sure you’re always covering your ass. Do those two, everything in the game is easy

[remote marsh]

👍

[quasi leaf]

Quick question, does uncensored or not restore gore and ragdolls? If not, what does?

[nocturne fog]

Is the "I'm too old for this..." trophy glitched on PlayStation? I did all the main game missions on hard and only have 83% progress (15/18) for the trophy.

[coarse yarrow]

are we never getting an update

[floral peak]

Civs don’t fake surrendering, the only similar thing they can do is pull out phone to make a photo

[jaunty iris]

basically pretend ur playing csgo. but friendly fire is on

and u dont know which one is on which team

[young smelt]

tysm both of you @glass heart

a difficult game like this really benefits from a helpful community

[covert onyx]

why everytime i open the game and ready up to play and load in i crash

im on xbox

[slate salmon]

I agree

It’s used in alot of police agencies now

[marsh dune]

Is there a way to fix achievements being broken?

[solemn patio]

Maybe in .40 sw

[quaint ocean]

guys why was there like 300 mods like 5 months ago and now theres like 8

[slate salmon]

9mm

[solemn patio]

Nu uh

[slate salmon]

40 isn’t that used anymore only by depts that are stuck whit whit

[solemn patio]

But 40 is cool

[slate salmon]

Because they followed the fbi when they adopted it 💔 then the fbi said “oh this gae lets go back to 9mm”

[solemn patio]

Yea the FBI is no coolio

10mm is goated tho and I want a pistol in it

So is 40

40 and 10mm are coolio

[slate salmon]

SD40 would be nice

[fallow cypress]

I don't get this whole stopping power thing especially when its about unarmored targets

[slate salmon]

It’s just fud language

Tho we fr need a 2011 if im not mistaken there’s one in the files already

[fallow cypress]

Oh wow this one criminal managed to survive several bullets that missed critical organs and through sheer will to fight we gotta upgrade all our ammo!

[fallow cypress]

Theres also a playable M249 and RPD

[slate salmon]

Irl the LAPD do have a few m60s

But they don’t use em

They kept for major events lol

I think the crime wave would make good use of em🙏

[solemn patio]

Imagine a .44 mag revolver or something

[fallow cypress]

They should put some of the more ridiculous weapons in Ready or Not in a map requirement like cosmetics

[solemn patio]

Yea

I want more full sized rifles

[deep patio]

I need an M1 Garand

[solemn patio]

YES

That and a colt monitor

[fallow cypress]

Imagine having to S+ Rank Ides of March to get the M45A1

[solemn patio]

NO

[fallow cypress]

Hehehehe

I mean its a pretty rare gun in real life

[solemn patio]

I would literally kill everyone in the mission immediately after s ranking it if I had to do that

All .308 and sadly I dont get mark V on console :(

[fallow cypress]

This game relies too much on maps when it comes to progression

[limber bone]

Guys i have a question the 3rd dlc will be about banks maps?

[brazen cape]

In iron man mode if a hostage die do you still can do it or it will not complete the trophies ?

[crude prism]

probably just need to redo the level

[jolly verge]

It's does not matter for The Hermit if you failed every possible objective and got F grade, you only need C grade on last mission

[brazen cape]

Ok ok thx

[glass heart]

and iirc the hermit and ruined dev watch have slightly different conditions right? (hermit still works if someone resigns, dev watch does not)

[bright iron]

What missions have the swat helle in them

[glass heart]

dark waters maps

[jolly verge]

Correct

[glass heart]

i doubt anyone is subjecting themselves to two separate runs because of this lol

if one is going for one he is also going for the other

[jolly verge]

There bunch of reports where people asking why they got only the watch and not to the hermit and vice versa

[spiral tundra]

im doing casual ironman for dress to impress

[snow wolf]

Holy shit Neon Tomb is a fucking PTSD nightmare

[deep patio]

Yes.

I literally have nothing more to tell you
That map haunted me the first time I encountered it

[snow wolf]

The scariest thing is the phones ringing. Like holy shit

[ornate pike]

I had a moment of clarity when I turned off the music at the DJ stand or however it's called

[simple dirge]

Is it possible?????

[ornate pike]

Yeah!

[deep patio]

It's either music so loud you can't hear anyone's footsteps

Or have a silence so deafening that is pierced by the ringing of the phones. Phones that will never answered. Loved ones that will never hear from their loved ones.

[snow wolf]

I just did that... It's honestly worse than with the music on

[desert island]

any changes since taco update

[ionic sleet]

does the game go on sale often or no

[upbeat shore]

Like.. it is right now?

Pretty much every major Steam Sale and sometimes in-between yeah.

[viral stratus]

did 9/11 happen in the RoN universe, and if so did the USIA fund it

[cosmic frost]

For sure it was them

[quasi leaf]

What is the best blood/ragdoll mod that makes the game look real that still works?

[ionic sleet]

I know its on sale just wanted to know if it goes on sale often, thanks

[stoic thistle]

Yesn't.

[slate salmon]

I find it funny that the stab vest doesn’t stop pistol rounds even tho irl that vest stops em

And why it green

[vale hemlock]

How can i play with my friend on ps5 if im on pc?

[slate salmon]

Uh

Gotta add him through epic

[bright iron]

Carrier of the Vine what drugs are they on

[halcyon cloud]

Zayden20233622

[quaint prism]

yes

[stone bay]

why do my AI teammates not listen to my prompts sometimes

furthermore why do they yell for compliance and i cant get them to shut the fuck up

[jade sparrow]

There's a bug that bothers me for which in commander mode Delta's armor, whatever model they are, will appear as the default heavy armor, even though they don't have the cosmetic vest equipped nor a heavy vest in their loadout

That just bothers me lol

[vestal badge]

those 2 are very common, its the core of RoN at this point

[quasi leaf]

What is the best mod that gets gore back?

[vestal badge]

that happens? never actually seen it

[vestal badge]

uncensored or not + visceral blood + any one of the hundreds of dismemberment mods

[quasi leaf]

Typically when you yell they follow and all 4 others do the same…

[quasi leaf]

Problem is I have no way of knowing if uncensored or not is working, and vicercal doesn’t seem to do anything

Not sure if any gore mods work after censorship

[vestal badge]

tbh should have said dont take my advice or take it with a grain of salt, I am one of those that runs mostly Arknights/Uma Musume/GFL/BA and other VO and aesthetics mods

on that note, anyone know a good Judge VO that have all of the lines covered? Moshing's Groza VO covered only the mains, but not weapon secured, etc. For bleeding as well, but for that I use lolterry Yuzusoft character bleeding moan mod

[quasi leaf]

Btw do you use uncensored or not or vicercal?

[vestal badge]

nope, I use the opposite to remove said blood

[quasi leaf]

Nice, it’s a shame they removed all the stuff for PC

[vestal badge]

without getting too much into it, I can see how it would be a problem for others, but we didnt make the game, arent on the ESRB board, and then dont have to contend with all the backlash from it

[frosty hound]

pretty sure it has the ballistic thingy mod as a prereq

[vestal badge]

then again, I only have like 200 hrs so take it with a grain of salt as well with wut i said

[frosty hound]

i really just want a dismemberment mod without changing anything

[quasi leaf]

Wdym?

[quasi leaf]

Got the game a few days ago, obviously I saw all the YT clips and it was on sale, so what can go wrong lol

[vestal badge]

u not ready for ready or not xD

[quasi leaf]

Ahh I got experience in other games lol

[vestal badge]

trust that experience in Squad, Rising Storms 2, BRM5 and Arma 3 isnt as helpful

[quasi leaf]

Arma 3 definitely not that one’s a death sentence but what about Ground Branch?

[vestal badge]

Ground Branch is close, but doesnt simulate the absurdity of RoN AI

[quasi leaf]

I love the peashooter 9mm, one of those to the abdomen will F you up lol

[alpine nova]

Why did people get pissy over censorship on the game?

[vestal badge]

they think the censorship of putting more clothing on people will cascade into more censorship for the game

[quasi leaf]

Because it ruins emersion. Doming someone with a 50cal should leave some red stuff, no?

[alpine nova]

That’s fucking stupid ass reasons beside the 50 that’s nice

[vestal badge]

would be nice if we get 50bmg or 50Beo in game, but the closest we get is 50AE

[quasi leaf]

Wdym? I gave 2 reasons lol

[quasi leaf]

I was not expecting that in the armory when I first played at all

[alpine nova]

Yeah fuck immersion I just wanna dome vets- I mean terrorists

[vestal badge]

would be nice if we get the NTW in game xD

in 20mm

[alpine nova]

That would be good tomfoolery

[vestal badge]

or any other .70 cal

[alpine nova]

Just gimmie a AK5 and I will do a lot

[vestal badge]

while I love the AK5, its just Swede 556

[covert aurora]

Why not a ak5c?

[vestal badge]

AK5D

[covert aurora]

Ak5s are pretty kool

[vestal badge]

ye

[alpine nova]

It fits my swedishmess that’s all

[frosty hound]

like i saw that you needed another mod (something tjat changes the properties of the bullets) for it to function? and some other ones too

[frosty hound]

GB AI is just more mobile imo

[quasi leaf]

Oh ye that booms bloody ballistics

[raw adder]

Hey void,
PLEASE LET ME PUT A BALACLAVA ON JUDGE PLEASE LET ME DO IT I JUST WANT TO LOOK COOL.

thanks

[quasi leaf]

GB AI is scary tbh, they are silent and they sneak up on you

[frosty hound]

yea the aggression is crazy

[last sluice]

so ive been playing Commander mode on Standard difficulty, when is it "okay" to go online? should i at least finish commander mode first, and then people will be willing to tolerate me online? or should i get all missions with an S rank in Standard first, or what?

ive managed S ranks on the first four missions on Standard in Commander, still need to do the 5th mission, but im not sure how progression is affected, or if there is even a reason to do online, or even what progression exists in the game in general outside of cosmetics

[void steppe]

There are rewards on certain missions. These rewards unlock cosmetics for you. Essentially, you don't need the S rank everywhere unless you're completing 100% of the game's achievements.

[floral peak]

Go online whenever you want, if you new it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t play online with other ppl

[last sluice]

oh okay, thats good to know
im just nervous about doing stuff with random groups in online games, unless there is an expectation that youre going to be matched with completely random people every time and the stakes for failing are super low (e.g. Call of Duty public matchmaking, FF14 duty finder queues, etc.)

ive had super awful experiences in other games like LoL, DOTA 2, CSGO, R6S, WoW, etc. so my nervousness is well-learned

[floral peak]

Try finding some groups to play with in #🔎looking-for-players , im sure you can find some newbie friendly or other newbies too

[floral peak]

Well, these are competitive, but RoN is not

[versed hedge]

One of the Bolton Security just told me he has kids in valley of the dolls

[last sluice]

i guess im also new enough that i dont know what the usual expectation is for online play, if that makes any sense? are friendly casualties expected, do you go lone wolf/partnered up, do you go lethal/non-lethal, how important is getting a good rank, etc.

[floral peak]

They don’t mention that their kids are in valley, they mention that they just have kids

[floral peak]

I can play with you

Can teach you some things

So, what do you say?

[last sluice]

sure, just sent you a couple DMs

[graceful kraken]

There's no wrong or right moment to go online, you're just supposed to have fun. So if you wanna hop online even if you didn't do all missions you're free to do so

[versed hedge]

Should I give my Breacher a beanbag shotgun alongside a breach shotgun

[vestal badge]

that is up to you, but the battering ram/pick lock\ got no ammo limit and doesnt alert everyone on scene

C2 on the other end is better as it incapacitate those behind and get rid of the traps in the process

[short ledge]

could someone help me with ready or not? all the assets keep popping in and out and even where they arent ment to be it makes the game unplayable

[vestal badge]

so the breach shotgun just sit in the middle being absolutely outmatched in purpose in game

[vestal badge]

do u got any mods?

[short ledge]

nope just installed

[vestal badge]

restart the game again on safe mode, if that fail then give it another try, if not still then reinstall and try again starting on safe mode

[short ledge]

ive had it happen to me in a diff game where a bunch and a bunch of items wont load and some will and some will be tossed around

[vestal badge]

seems like a fundamental hardware/firmware/lower level softwares problem then...

[short ledge]

i could prolly get a vid of it

[vestal badge]

at that point tho u might need to look through your device task/processes and get someone with good knowledge about that sort of things to help

[short ledge]

i have no idea what im doing infact

[sturdy chasm]

I personally think the battering ram is more efficient. The shotgun is slow and unnecessarily loud.

W for the beanbag shotgun tho

[little hornet]

beanbag shotgun is a necessity for s rank

pepperballs are practically a death sentence with high suspect count

run out of ammo too quick

[sturdy chasm]

Lol I have my squad using pepperballs. I use the beanbag with a 45 as a secondary

[little hornet]

i use the beanbag with like 8 slots for ammo then pepperball pistol with like 2 mags if i ever have to use tac shield (which i dont lmao)

works almost all the time for a non lethal run

[versed hedge]

What do yall think about getting rid of all secondary ammo for more primary ammo

[sturdy chasm]

Srry at work lol. W. I like the riot shield but only use it in cqb

[little hornet]

depends if ur running riot shield, i like having one secondary mag and a shit ton of primary ammo and stingers

[torpid onyx]

the way the AI utilise the shotgun takes way longer then ram too

they have to butt it against the door facing down to blow the lock out then it pops partially open then they kick it after a sec then they throw the flash so it literally gives the enemies like 4 seconds to shoot at your team or run off

compared to the ram that's like 1 second from open to flashing since it's just bash the door, it flies open and throw

and the c2 is slower then the ram because your team waits a second after the explosion because it disorients them as everything shakes

the Devs need to make it faster

[surreal pelican]

How's hard mode like?

[unborn echo]

hard for the sake of being hard, just dont expect a good time out of it

[graceful kraken]

Bullshit

You'll only die to bullshit

[surreal pelican]

Shit

I'm thinking of using my M32A1 flash build for the hard attempt

Rn I'm still doing S rank runs on Standard with no issue

[vague locust]

ye, flash spam most effective route

[cloud tree]

Are there actually hand sanitizers in “Elephant”?

I wanna try this F-tier method where you just stand by it for the entire duration

[torpid onyx]

it's not hard it's just unfair

[quick narwhal]

day 2 of tryign to beat greased palms s rank on hard mdoe

[prisma lava]

hey i heard somewhere that if you buy the LSPD edition you get future DLCS and current DLCS?

[valid raven]

Why do you think a lot of people don’t know that shoot to eliminate is not the same thing as shoot to kill

[unborn echo]

literally the same thing

[valid raven]

It’s not shoot to eliminate means shoot them until they are no longer a threat

That isn’t the same as killing them

shooting to kill would be after you wound them on the ground he would walk up and shoot them in the head to kill them

[unborn echo]

right

[valid raven]

But I’m pretty sure it is considered excessive force

To do that

why do some people prefer to have mods that use military RoE rather than police RoE

[sturdy chasm]

Lmfao why do the civis bust through doors like that

Almost took .45 to the dome🤣 “hold on Big Daddy”🤣

[unborn echo]

for the funsies

lets be for real here, real life police are never sending 5 men into a den of 20 armed suspects, so might as well

[sturdy chasm]

Wym? You never watched S.W.A.T? They raid whole neighborhoods

Based on a true story btw

[surreal pelican]

fuuuuck

I just finished S rank campaign, I wanna try both Hard Mode and the iron man run (no officer deaths)

Which should I attempt first?

[sturdy chasm]

Hard mode

[surreal pelican]

Wish me luck, I'll attempt it next weekend 99 Mask

[unborn echo]

with atleast 3-4 teams of 6, not a single team of 5

on top of that there are also more officers outside, keeping watch, as well as snipers, maybe not in ALL cases, but against confirmed barricaded and armed suspects? i'd never expect 5 men infiltration from real swat

[surreal pelican]

Will all flash MGLs work?

I mean that's what helped me for the S rank

[sturdy chasm]

Lol i was being sarcastic

[surreal pelican]

I did this to get more flash grenades for my M32A1 MGL

[surreal pelican]

Iron man it is then

How's the jump from standard to hard?

[sturdy chasm]

Sorry i was talking to Dura. Should’ve @

[torpid onyx]

using flash rotary launchers is also kinda putting the game in uber baby easy mode so don't expect it to be super hard

[surreal pelican]

All good

[sturdy chasm]

Im only on mission 6 lol i have no clue

[surreal pelican]

I dare say the rotary flash launchers are better than the beanbag shotguns

[torpid onyx]

that is literally the coldest take imagineable

[surreal pelican]

Have fun Officer

[torpid onyx]

we already know they are

[surreal pelican]

Is there specific maps/enemies in which they'll try and take themselves out?

[spiral tundra]

Yes

[surreal pelican]

My first relapse run I got a A+ because I saw a perp who got "incapacited" and then my next run I saw one of them aiming for it

[spiral tundra]

Twisted nerve, relapse, neon, elephant and a couple others I think

[torpid onyx]

you can shoot a rotary flash launcher back to back without a wait, you can shoot it without direct LOS, don't have to aim, 1 shot will always stop someone in their tracks and can take multiple people etc

[spiral tundra]

Lemme check

[surreal pelican]

o, I only know Spider and Relapse because I saw it happen

[torpid onyx]

I can't say sewerslide

Ive only seen people go self head kaboom on relapse

[surreal pelican]

Aside from spider yea I think the only time I encountered another head kaboom was relapse

Don't know why he didn't wanna just surrender lol

[torpid onyx]

in my instance the guy did it mid being tasered too so there was no stopping him for me

[stoic thistle]

Cowardice most likely.

[surreal pelican]

Mine happened as I was about to flash him with the nade

[surreal pelican]

And yet they can execute whatever elaborate plan they have lol

[spiral tundra]

Suspects can kill themselves on twisted nerve, spider, lethal obsession, ends of the earth, valley of the dolls, neon, relapse and hide and seek

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, is there specific maps where there's a higher chance of them doing it?

[spiral tundra]

I don’t believe so it just depends on their morale

[torpid onyx]

im surprised professional hired security like on valley will end it

[spiral tundra]

And then dlc maps are dorms and 3LT

[surreal pelican]

Dumb question.. but how does morale work for enemies?

[spiral tundra]

It’s kinda complicated but most actions you do will affect them

Like if they see a dead suspect or you breach a door it’ll take a toll on them

[torpid onyx]

their willingness to surrender or give up (or go self head kaboom)

[spiral tundra]

On each map there’s different morale levels tho

[surreal pelican]

Nice

Lower enemy morale = Higher chance for them to surrender right?

[spiral tundra]

Yes

[surreal pelican]

Coz all I know is, I've been tossing flashbangs and stingers at them to get them to heel

[spiral tundra]

But they might kill a hostage or themselves with low morale too

[torpid onyx]

being surprised/unaware, getting flashed, getting scared by a c2, getting hit with less lethal, being damaged, running out of ammo etc

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[spiral tundra]

(Hostages are currently bugged don’t worry about that, they’ll just throw them away)

[surreal pelican]

I haven't seen them attempting to off it, maybe that's due to me using the rotary flash launchers

Only on relapse, found the body as I was clearing

[surreal pelican]

For hostage situation, it'll randomly happen right? Or must something happen to trigger it where they start to take hostages?

[spiral tundra]

Yeah every encounter I’ve had with a hostage has been bugged recently
They either do the shooting animation then throw them away alive, or start shooting from behind the hostage which is just fun

[torpid onyx]

and usually being more stressed means they're gonna be higher morale/less likely to surrender and more likely to engage/run and reposition

[spiral tundra]

They have to be alerted to you

And be stressed

[torpid onyx]

if you stress them out they will attempt to find and grab a hostage

[spiral tundra]

So if you start going gun blazing at the first room they may start taking hostages in further rooms

[torpid onyx]

and then if you continue to stress them eventually they'll shoot the hostages so if you do find a hostage taker don't attempt to negotiate or yell either just kill them or nade/less lethal then without approaching or engaging with them too much

[surreal pelican]

o

[surreal pelican]

Does using stuff like the launchers as primary count towards it?

[spiral tundra]

I mean they’ll hear it

[surreal pelican]

I recall seeing a hostage taker on Greased Palms and I just shot the flash at him

[surreal pelican]

Ahhh..

[spiral tundra]

It’s quite easy to kill suspects before they kill the hostage

Cuz it seems like they can see you and not shoot them

[surreal pelican]

Yea

I'll attempt hard run next week

Wish me luck

[simple dirge]

Never seen a suicidal suspetc…!!! Is this happening rarely?

[unborn echo]

yeah its rare, but there is actually a way to force them to do that! you must first hide behind an invisible barrier that suspects cant spot you through, like the bridge between the 2 house in Twisted Nerve, pray that a suspect is out in the open, and then spam non-lethal at them, as well as yell, once their morale is drained they'd do it!

[simple dirge]

Nasty….

[unborn echo]

[torpid onyx]

i got it after I tased one of the diguised suspects on relapse and shouted at him too much

[agile relic]

is it possible to disable the red and blue chemlights and strobes?

[unborn echo]

there goes an S rank run, if you were even attempting one that is

[wheat spade]

does anyone know how to make your shield buddy keep his shield up? my AI officer just put his shield away and pulled out his shotgun in the middle of a gunfight and died most tragically

[unborn echo]

from what i have seen no, there isnt really a way to have your ai keep their shield up 24/7, they'd only use it when you command them to clear a room, and then put it away after

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission and suspect type, it's will always happen when their morale drops to zero

[unborn echo]

i just got a message blocked, oopsies

[jolly verge]

You can trigger it by stunning suspect then bash him

[wheat spade]

sad react, thank you for the tip

[copper cypress]

Can the iron gate of Neon Tomb be used to buffer 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 AP?

I was standing behind an iron gate and the suspect shot me nine times with an AK-like weapon, injuring my hands and feet.

[jolly verge]

Any rifle caliber with AP ammo will pen the doors made of steel

[copper cypress]

Does this mean that any wall or door can only be used as concealment and not as cover?

I'm not sure if the damage to hands and feet can be reduced below 20.

[jolly verge]

Any wallbang damage from suspects reduced by like 90%, unless you got shot through some wood door

More likely they did at max 20 damage through steel door to you

[jolly verge]

Since they always use AP ammo it's already only of 30% damage to the limbs AFTER damage cap, so 21 damage going through something like steel door will be reduced to like 1-2 damage or even less

[copper cypress]

Oh~

[torpid onyx]

also btw 7.62x39 and 300blk should be near identical

300blk is 7.62x35 (and actually usually performs a tad bit better then 7.62x39 in irl application)

[jolly verge]

They are literally the same, the only difference is less cover penetration on .300blk

[torpid onyx]

I mean yeah they are close enough you might as well have them be the same

[quasi leaf]

Does vicercal and uncensored or not still work on manual download from nexus?

[simple dirge]

Wtf I just saw! Man that looks more like a monumental bug to me 🙂 ….the suspects keep staring at judge without lowering the weapons???

[quasi coral]

Yes, you can click on the shield man and ask him to deploy the shield

He will then have the shield up until the next time he clears a room(He'll put it away right after)

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's intended, intimidator trait works the same way btw

[simple dirge]

Jesus…never saw anything like that…maybe also because I almost never understood those “traits” and when I did nobody from the squad had any…

[unborn echo]

i heard that the arwc is misaligned or something, what seems to be the issue?

[jolly verge]

If you mean too high angle recoil with arm injury debuff then yeah, it's still a thing https://youtu.be/nyq0X6DqaBM?si=xbkfX7JW9kG9EJH1

[jolly verge]

Some trait are really OP if you know how they work, they can make S runs or ironman mode very easy to do

[unborn echo]

thats a whole lotta recoil

[simple dirge]

Good to know! Thanks!

[teal gulch]

I have a question. What SMG should I use for an aggressive playstyle?

[jolly verge]

Depends on mission

[teal gulch]

I really like the MP7 due to being a HL2 fan, but non of the article I found mention about the MP7

[teal gulch]

got it

[jolly verge]

MP7 and P90 are the only SMGs in game with AP ammo that can pen level 3 armor

They also both have highest stagger chance

[teal gulch]

ok I think I need to research the game deeper now. Thanks for helping, mate

[unborn echo]

mp7 is the best smg imo, best cartridge out of all the smg and very low recoil

have i mentioned fast firerate and 40 round mag?

mp7 is the go-to primary whenever i feel like doing run and gun

p90 is fine too but the recoil is a bit awkward, but it has 10 more round than mp7

[teal gulch]

I mean the fast firerate, for me, isn’t really important because most of the time I just tap the enemies. I relied on the 40 mags and familiarity mostly for the MP7

[unborn echo]

if you like tapping you should prob just use an assault rifle, smgs are better when you shoot em in a small burst or just spray and pray

[teal gulch]

Yea I think I should. I just 3 taps 3 suspects
(but largely depends, too)

[pallid yacht]

How do I record vids on RON

What software to use

[unborn echo]

record vids? as in the game's replay system or screen recording

[jaunty iris]

i'd recommend obs studio. or for simpler setup maybe medal

i been using obs studio for years its basically the ultimate recording/clipping software, and is open source

[unborn echo]

and its free

requires a bit of set up tho but youtube can help with that

[jaunty iris]

i'd recommend setting up voicemeeter banana while ur at it

[unborn echo]

whats that

[jaunty iris]

a software to manage audio and adjust ur mic

i use it for 2 reasons. fixing mic echo. and multiple audio channels

so i can remove my mic audio if i want from clips while the game audio is uneffected

its reputation was ruined by deepvoice wannabes 💔

ROBLOX deepvoice wannabes💔

[unborn echo]

low quality mic supremacy

[eternal salmon]

why does the LSPD have a homunculus

[ivory kiln]

Isn't mike esperanza from the narcos mission also the same cop that is involved in buy cheap buy twice

[chilly thorn]

I believe so yes

[charred birch]

According to the tablet ; it’s Mike Esperanza. Which is odd since Narcos happens after Buy Cheap Buy Twice chronologically

[ivory kiln]

damn bro is getting done dirty

[charred birch]

I think the devs overlooked that detail, or the mission timeline is just wrong

[ivory kiln]

from being shot to being brutally tortured

[flat gale]

Xbox player here, no matter what I do, cannot get tablet to pull up or work at all. Help?

[humble mauve]

Brian Greer is the undercover who was shot, Esperanza was part of the undercover operation and his cover being blown during the mission is what led to Narcos

[rustic lotus]

Yo how long does shaders take to install in game I got a gtx reforce 1050 ti and 8gb ram😪

[jolly verge]

You mean shaders that compiling on first initial loading?

[jolly verge]

Also, 8gb of ram is not enough to even load into HQ, you either need at least 16gb (32 is better) or increase pagefile size, but loading will be much slower, especially if you on HDD

[rustic lotus]

Yes

[rustic lotus]

Ah ok

[jolly verge]

Shader compiling speed is tied to your CPU

[unborn echo]

hey aspid! do you know which graphic setting affect the see-through quality of glasses?

[ivory kiln]

I see,thanks for the info

[jolly verge]

None. It is possible to remove reflections from glass to make it easy to see through, but I don't remember exact command for that cos I did not play since 12 april

[unborn echo]

im playing on lowest graph for performance but some glasses looks like it was made out of plastic

[vast grotto]

No

[unborn echo]

yes

[quick narwhal]

i completed s rank greased palms hard mode

i gave up with the beanbag and took gl with 11 reserve flashbang rounds

[chilly thorn]

There were two officers in Buy Cheap Buy Twice, Mike was the one who survived.

[quick narwhal]

a bit off topic but i want more story and headcanons of d platoons of judge, eli, king swan, and eli

[unborn echo]

what exactly does "increased accuracy" stat on combat grip do

[quick narwhal]

reduces spread from hipfire

[jolly verge]

False

[jolly verge]

Nothing, all guns have 0 base recoil

This stat works only for shotgun with buckshot ammo

[unborn echo]

right on time :D i wanted to ask you if slr recoil was supposed to be uneven like dat or is it a bug

in full auto i mean

theres this awkward pause in between the kick

[jolly verge]

Yeah, known issue, my guess is that something to do with 600 rate of fire

[unborn echo]

the only 7.62x39 rifle is bugged

[jolly verge]

Nope, SA-58 and UMP-45 also have 600 RoF and the same issue

[unborn echo]

yeah but they arent chambered in 7.62x39!

[jolly verge]

GA51 and G3 have 632 RoF and do not have this issue, so it is something to do with rate of fire, some kind of desync or something idk

[solemn patio]

Uhh

[quick narwhal]

dang mb

[chilly thorn]

it slightly ever so slightly increases its stats, its basically just cosmetic.

[jolly verge]

It's does nothing, stop spreading the misinformation

[steep ridge]

makes it look cool

and not seem entirely useless

vertical is life

[void jasper]

The game coolness factor is important for morale,
and with good morale anything is possible.

[void jasper]

Yknow if there really were ballistic stats and whatever, that REALLY mattered, then there wouldn’t be an achievement for simply completing scenarios with a pistol.
if you hit what you’re aiming at, you’ll be fine.

And yeh, shotguns too

…

Think the game mechanic where we lift up our weapons when close to things, walls suspects etc should be adjusted

[faint saddle]

And here my dumb ass was giving it to the AI so they could be better shots. 😭

Hey, how many missions are in the Dark Waters DLC? I’ve already done Home Invasion and Los Suenos Stories—I was kinda hoping they’d be bigger. 😅

[robust thorn]

Just got the game today have stopped playing since

[versed hedge]

How do we feel about this strategy on valley of the dolls to enter

Go to the front door
Break the window on the left of the door
Have your team breach in
Fire a flashbang once your team breaches the front door

heres a screenshot if you dont understand
#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[marsh lark]

3

[faint saddle]

Nuts.

[faint saddle]

It’s good. Options are limited with a single doorway into a wide-open living room. I personally like to hit the second floor first though, after wedging off the bottom floor. The front door is always locked, so there’s no chance of people escaping out that way.

Haven’t tried coming up to the first floor from behind though, that might be something—going up the stairs and spearing into the living room that way. I’m superstitious about the big windows in that part though.

[quasi coral]

Honestly, I'm quite surprised the M320 the officers carry isn't deployable

[faint saddle]

“This city… I’m thankful for the rain,” Judge narrates in his own mind, staring down at a discarded cardboard sign, some slogan crudely written in marker on the face of it. The world appears in heavy greyscale. Real rain wets him and the world, while imaginary smoke fills his lungs. “It does more to wash this city clean than I ever could…”

His team stands nearby. “He just stopped moving,” one of them exclaims. “Chief! You gonna move?” “Is he blinking?” “Do we call TOC??”

“They could never understand,” Judge continues, oblivious to the lamb-like bleating of his team. “So young. Still innocent; this city hasn’t gotten to them yet. One day it will…”

“No, he’s breathing, look—and he just blinked!” “I’m calling TOC, this ain’t right.” “Judge! Snap out of it man!”

[faint saddle]

The grenade launcher? Yeah it is—it’s one of your deployables, like the Mirror Wand, or the Shield.

[quasi coral]

I meant, in the AI deploy command, it just isn't an option

[faint saddle]

Y’know, I’ve never noticed it.

[quasi coral]

I've always had honestly, because the only times I'll use the deploy command is when I need to tase a suspect or toss a stinger/flash into an area that can't be stacked up on

Like a L room, you start from the bottom of the L, and you can't stack and clear the top of the L, so I ask my guys to deploy a nade instead

[faint saddle]

I really need to use the AI more. To me they may as well be roombas with guns. Otherwise I just find they’re constantly in my way.

[quasi coral]

Although, in this scenario, I'd love to be able to deploy the launcher for long range incapacitation, I'd see a lot of potential in 3 letter Triad, Hide and Seek and maybe Greased

[quasi coral]

Whatt?? I find them extremely useful

I use em to cover doors while I pie another, element split breach and of course, their extra storage means they can carry wedges and C4

I mean, theres tons of thing they can improve, like maybe the AI deploy feature, but if you utilize them well they work very well

(Not to mention their crazy bugs)

[faint saddle]

Unless I need to wedge a door or get in a proper firefight, I just kinda tell them to Hold near the start of the level. I have a system with doors and it’s really inconvenient to do with the AI constantly bunching up in tight quarters. I’ve just gotten used to doing things on my own. 😅

[quasi coral]

I guess I can't argue with that, though, I can't really agree

[rigid rune]

I never wedge a door

[cloud terrace]

can someone help me find how to set my riot shield up

bc idk how and its sorta starting to annoy me

[willow eagle]

so cool when 85% of my deaths in non-lethal S hard solo runs end because my beanbag shot just doesn't register for no reason and a suspect guns me down :)

[teal gulch]

press 5. It’s the same thing for Mirrorgun

[cloud terrace]

idk how to equip it tho brother

likeonto qa class

[teal gulch]

bellow the sidearm section. If you didn't change anything, it should have a name "mirrorgun". Press it and choose tactical shield

check DMs. I cant send image here

[teal gulch]

there is "class" mechanic in this game tho. Just choose the loadout and you good to go. Don't forget to change your units loadout, too. Because it'll help you alot

[cloud terrace]

thanks!

what guns do you suggest to use with it as a primary?

[teal gulch]

since you cant use the main gun as a primary when pair with the tactic shield. You should use the FiveSeven

[cloud terrace]

i was looking at the mark 5 pistol or the 5-7

but im taking a gas launcer for the primary

[teal gulch]

dont forget the gasmask

[teal gulch]

i mean 5-7 has a lot of bullet

[cloud terrace]

better forhead shots for sure but the mark one taps anywhere it seems

[teal gulch]

if you use it good then yea, you can choose it

oh and if you plan to use the Mark V

remember to bring a lot of pistol ammo

[cedar mulch]

Mexicans are absolutely crazy. Compared to the Russian employees at the dealership, the Mexican staff seem ready to pull the trigger at any moment. Even the tone of their voices is completely different.

[teal gulch]

I use the realistic AI mod and now can't even get to the mission "A Lethal Obsession" without half of my platoon get KIA or all sent to therapy lmao.

the "Here I come AI". Any suggest for this mod?

[tulip valve]

Cough

[chilly thorn]

pepperball

[faint saddle]

I’ve noticed that too! I don’t have enough of an ear to pick out specifics, but I know that there are some musical throughlines between missions—I think The Spider (kids talent agency) and Valley of the Dolls (mansion birthday party) have the same or similar music.

Of course now that I say all this, I’m second guessing myself! 😅

[tulip valve]

Yeah, someone pinged zack bower for that question but no response still unfortunately

[chilly thorn]

Meth House, Gas Station, And Stolen Valor (meth and gas sharing the little stinger in the background due to drug use and meth and stolen valor having the drums for the 213 park area) both have similar music as well

Also most Los Locos map have similar distorted guitars

[faint saddle]

The 5-7 has (I think) 20 rounds per magazine, near dead-on accuracy with minimal recoil, and good damage for a handgun. Pop a laser sight on it and pace your shots, and you can run a whole mission with your shield up—assuming you can actually see out the viewport after a few firefights.

[chilly thorn]

Car Dealership and Port also share similar music

[faint saddle]

A lot of Los Locos missions definitely have similar cues. I know I’ve heard more… Well, Mexican-sounding music from them.

[stable kernel]

And what? You expect someone random not on the dev team to be able to answer?

[chilly thorn]

The only map I'd say sounds Overtly "Mexican" would be Greased Palms with the little clicking things I forgot what they were called

[faint saddle]

Castanets?

[chilly thorn]

yeah

[faint saddle]

I’d go back to check, but that would require me to play Greased Palms again, and I’ve had my fill after the S rank.

[chilly thorn]

The Rest of the maps all have their own vibe for their map for example Rust Belt having a Sicario inspired song and Narcos having that Glorious Guitar

[faint saddle]

That’s what I’m talking about, the guitar!

Thank you. Couldn’t bring up the specific sound in my head.

[chilly thorn]

they all use guitars but different types

unless your talking about the main little guitar stinger thats on like all the maps

[fallow cypress]

The ROE in this game is really weird, you can't attack armed suspects thats running away but you can pepper spray a civillian for noncompliance

[chilly thorn]

Strangly The Elysian has the same dripping sound effect as Greased Palms, Im assuming due to the Pirates and Los Locos both being gun runners.

[unborn echo]

you cant? i never get penalised for shooting fleeing armed suspect

i only ever get penalised for shooting suspects that are standing still

[chilly thorn]

Depends on the map, You are open too shoot suspects that have weapons if they aren't directly pointing them at you on maps with active threats.

For example Elephant or Neon Tomb

[drifting fog]

tossed a frag in a room thinking it was a 9 bang and killed 3 civilians :P

[chilly thorn]

But you can't on something like Meth House or Gas station unless they are actively in a gun fight with you

[unborn echo]

its the same on any map for me

[chilly thorn]

did the suspect shoot at you first and then run away?

[unborn echo]

nop, they hesitated, then ran away, then i shot em anyway, no penalty

[chilly thorn]

what map?

Not saying your wrong im actually tryna to figure out if im right lol

[unborn echo]

all of em, ROE are the same for every map for me

[chilly thorn]

so this exact thing has happened on ALL maps in the exact way and you got no penalty on all of em?

[unborn echo]

yep

[chilly thorn]

huh strange, I have noticed ROE seems VERY lenient rn in the latest update.

which well, sucks.

I wouldn't be suprised if its bugged as long as every thing else

[unborn echo]

wouldnt be a new thing for ron

we get something new 10 other breaks

[chilly thorn]

Gore is broken (for 2 years), blood is broken, suspect animation are janky and weird, the new door kicking animation sucks, still have clipping cosmetics, voicelines overlap, swat ai phase through walls and each other since the last patch, swat ai is overall a lil goofy rn, new surrender animation look really odd still, hostage taking is insanely buggy.

list goes on lol

[frail laurel]

What grenades do you guys like to use? Seems like the flashbangs just kinda tickle these days

Threw a flash into a bathroom on ides of March and it somehow managed to not even stun the dude bruh

[unborn echo]

yeah cuz it is the best, as of rn atleast, gas got ultra gutted, range reduced to almost zero, and it takes 10 year to actually start emitting the gas, stinger functions the EXACT same as flash, it stuns a bit longer but sometimes it outright just doesnt proc, making it unreliable

[simple dirge]

Sorry guys, question: which maps are the most suitable to play with an MP5 SD6? Love that gun but I know the poor penetration capacity could be an issue especially if I want to shoot to somebody (and I want🙂). Never used the MP5 SD, can’t wait.

[frail laurel]

any of the maps where the suspects are unarmored. Shooting armored suspects with SMGs feels like sneezing on them

[unborn echo]

gas station

none have body armor

[frail laurel]

dont be afraid to use full auto tho. 1 or 2 shots sometimes doesnt put down even unarmored suspects. the 9mm is controllable

[simple dirge]

Yes it is! At least from what I saw at the firing range…
Truth is I am accustomed to my BRN-180…

[unborn echo]

i think stolen valor suspects also dont have body armor? maybe, not too sure, but i havent seen any body armor suspect models in that map

[frail laurel]

They dont ^

[frail laurel]

im a g3 man

[unborn echo]

g36 obviously the best choice here

[frail laurel]

pales in comparison to the g3a3 fr

imagine wanting to do a terrorist attack and getting trashed by a gun from the 1960s

[unborn echo]

both are from german engineering

both are superior

🤝

[frail laurel]

Indeed

[torpid onyx]

full auto is a requirement for all smgs

if you're not you're just using a pistol with a big boy mag

plus when 9mm can take like 12 shots to kill a l3 plate enemy you need full auto

if I'm being real though if you want a compact SMG that actually works just take the p90 or mp7 since they can actually penetrate armour (plus have 40/50 rounds) and are some of the smallest guns in the game

[wheat crescent]

I dont know currently what was worse, the fact I even did hard mode, or the fact I did it all true solo.

[red kayak]

Is it possible to play singleplayer solo? Like without AI

Or multiplayer solo??

[unborn echo]

well you can just command your ai to stay still at spawn if this helps

[red kayak]

Oh really

[unborn echo]

yeah

[red kayak]

With the middle mouse button thing?

[unborn echo]

yup, then pick the second option, "move to" to be precise

[red kayak]

They always dont move with me if i command them or js stand in front of the damn door

[red kayak]

Aaaaah okay thankss!

[unborn echo]

np

[unborn echo]

if you want a true no ai run then you can do host friend only, that way randos wont join your game

[red kayak]

Ah valud

Does my solo progression save there?

Like im at the 4th mission or smth now in singleplayer

[unborn echo]

yeah

[unborn echo]

commander or quickplay?

actually progress doesnt matter in online lobbies, im pretty sure you always have access to all maps in online lobby anyway

[red kayak]

Ommander

[red kayak]

Ohhh fair enough

Also wbt weapons etc? Because they dont show how much damage etc they do

Like which primary and secondary is good

[unborn echo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=1878248973#gid=1878248973

you can check this out

[red kayak]

Bett thanks

[unborn echo]

its a detailed breakdown of how the game works

[red kayak]

Whats your to-go loadout?

Js the guns

[unborn echo]

statistically for standard, battle rifles should be the best, it can one-hit down any suspects on body shot

and me personally, i dont feel the need for handgun, its kinda pointless you feel me? if you dont down the suspect before your mag runs out then clearly you should work on your aim first before you think of a backup

[red kayak]

Yeah true lol

[red kayak]

Battle rifle it is called?

[unborn echo]

the ones chambered in 7.62x51

sa58, mk17, ga51 and g3a3

[red kayak]

Ohhh

Doesnt matter which one?

[jaunty iris]

any tips for the strip club?

[unborn echo]

it does, a bit, some have better recoil than the other, my favorite is ga51, its short and it has the lowest kick out of all the 7.62x51 rifles

[red kayak]

Ag okay bett

Thanks 🙏

[unborn echo]

the screen shakes a bit when you shoot it tho, but its purely for visual, it doesnt actually affect the recoil

[red kayak]

Ah

[red kayak]

Motion blur can be turned off or no?

[unborn echo]

yeah, go options, graphics, then advanced options

[red kayak]

Ah olay

[unborn echo]

other than 7.62x51 all the other rifle caliber are the same, they all requires 2 shots to the body to take down a suspect, so if you're not using 7.62x51 just pick the one you like

[red kayak]

Alr thanks

[unborn echo]

[lunar flame]

wow the bot wont let me talk about the game topics

so thats good isn’t it

[lunar flame]

he understands

[jolly verge]

Like suicide stuff or what?

[lunar flame]

amos voll and his activities

[jolly verge]

Ah that

[lunar flame]

but yea theres this weird bug where they all get headshotted

[jolly verge]

Yeah, I got it too for some reason

[whole plume]

Personally, I reccomend the SA58 OSW, as it too is short but a lot less loud n more controllable

[red kayak]

wdym with "too short"?

[whole plume]

No, it also is Short is what I meant

[red kayak]

like the gun is short ?

small gun?

[whole plume]

Yeah for a 7.62 the SA58 is a short length weapon

[red kayak]

ohh like that , alr

I'll try both weapons out and see what fits me the best

[whole plume]

Thats the beauty of a singleplayer FPS game like this, no meta, each finds their own 🙂

[red kayak]

Yes exactly. Although I appreciate the suggestions

[whole plume]

Happy testing 🙂

[jolly verge]

It's literally have the highest recoil in game, compare to GA51 it's a 50% more recoil

[torpid onyx]

sa58 is still long 🥀

[jolly verge]

That too

[torpid onyx]

as we know the best rifle though is the dm4 because it's literally pocket pistol form factor

[whole plume]

Not perceivable to me atleast

[torpid onyx]

7 inch barrel my goat

7 inches is pretty relatable too

[whole plume]

Its situational, but has its worth

[whole plume]

xD

[jolly verge]

Yeah, dm4 so short you can peek from a door frame without your gun going into high-ready

[torpid onyx]

i mean if we're talking "best" then we would be looking at f90, dm4 and ga51 for each rifle caliber

[whole plume]

Nah I think GA416, DM4 and SA-58 OSW

[torpid onyx]

(f90 has the lowest 5.56 recoil)

[jolly verge]

Nah

[whole plume]

Yeah but does recoil matter all that much when I only fire on semi anyway and I always put a angled grip on

[high jasper]

Does 762 kill someone or atleast incap in one hsot

[jolly verge]

Angled grip that does nothing on rifles

[whole plume]

It feels to me like it does

[torpid onyx]

incaps in 1 shot in the chest with AP for up to like l3 armour

[whole plume]

That and the SFMB brake

[jolly verge]

Yes, but only on standart and only on maps without extra health

[jolly verge]

What exactly?

[torpid onyx]

hard mode light differ though but hard mode sucks never touch it

[whole plume]

Makes recoil, ADS time ect more manageable, the angled grip

I might be getting the name wrong

Admittedly I would check but I am AFC at the moment lol

[jolly verge]

It's does no affect recoil, since all rifles have only vertical one.

ADS speed on grips has been fixed only in the latest patch and still not worth it, the difference is so irrelevant none of normal person will notice it #💬general-discussion message

The only really working grips are vertical and th one

[whole plume]

Interesting, will give another go and investigate later

[torpid onyx]

idk how I'm alive rn but my entire body is bright red Including my face

and somehow despite also having a broken helmet I think i got shot in the head (red head) plus I got super concussed for like 15 seconds yet lived

I literally tanked like 50 rounds that match

[jolly verge]

Yeah, if you got red head you will have distorted vision every time you got hit after that

[torpid onyx]

I also was already pink outline when that happened too

I'm used to just dying immediately via headshot within 3 bullets

must be multiplayer shenanigans

[jolly verge]

If you stop bleed that will heals you back at 50%, you can tank a lot of shots, especially with steel plates and armorer trait

[torpid onyx]

ceramic plates and no traits

[jolly verge]

Welp, it's still good, free 4 rifle shots hold on front, back and side

[torpid onyx]

light armour

so no sides

[jolly verge]

What the point

Like 2 slots is not worth it imo

[torpid onyx]

I need them two slots

and my speed

[jolly verge]

It's does not affect speed

Only acceleration and only by additional 5%

[torpid onyx]

doesn't stab vest, light armour and heavy armour effect your max move speed?

[jolly verge]

Nope

[torpid onyx]

I thought it was that and then kevler, steel and ceramic effected your accel

[jolly verge]

It's always 240 units and 288 when you low-ready

0.48 seconds to gain top speed without armor or with only kevlar
0.56 seconds with full coverage ceramic
1.04 seconds with full coverage steel

[surreal pelican]

Has anyone ever tried using the SA-58 with JHP rounds?

Curious as to how it'll impact enemies with JHP

[jolly verge]

Any 7.62x51 caliber with JHP will pen up to level 3 armor and oneshot suspects on standart without extra health, except Gas station mission

You need AP only on Elephant, Sins of the Father and Leviathan

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[surreal pelican]

Gas station mission on standard right?

[jolly verge]

Yeah, suspects have 360 health here, so JHP 7.62x51 will oneshot them, not AP

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, I'm thinking of trying out the SA-58 with JHP to prevent overpen and stuff like that after my Hard and standard Iron Man mode run grinds

And the 57 Pistol as AP backup

[jolly verge]

SA-58 is useless after they added GA51 with G3, 50% less recoil and no penalty in ADS with arm injury debuff

[surreal pelican]

Oh

They're the same ammo caliber right?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[surreal pelican]

I don't have any of the dlcs yet so hopefully that isn't DLC locked

[jolly verge]

GA51 is the best, shortest rifle in 7.62x51

Nope, they are free

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[surreal pelican]

The GA51 has lesser recoil compared to the G3 right? Or am I mixing things up?

[jolly verge]

Both GA51 and G3 have same recoil stats, but GA51 have shorter barrel

SA58 have 50% more recoil compare to them

[surreal pelican]

Ah

[torpid onyx]

ga51 uses the same chassis as the mp5 so it has the charging handle you can slap so it's better

[surreal pelican]

Is there any benefits to using the shorter barrel?

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[jolly verge]

Your gun don't go into high-ready when you close to wall

[surreal pelican]

oo

Will the barrel length affect how fast the bullet travels? And what's the difference between 7.62 and .300 Blk? From my understanding both of them are more powerful rounds with higher stopping power and recoil

[jolly verge]

All guns are hitscan, except pepperballs, beanbag and 40mm

[surreal pelican]

So that means barrel length doesn't affect bullet velocity

[jolly verge]

No, there is no such thing in game

[surreal pelican]

What's the difference between 7.62 and .300Blk?

[surreal pelican]

Thank god

[jolly verge]

Which one 7.62?

[surreal pelican]

The two 7.62 variants and the .300

[jolly verge]

In short 7.62x51 > 7.62x39 = .300blk > 5.56

[torpid onyx]

300blk and 7.62x51 are two completely differant power levels

[surreal pelican]

oh

[jolly verge]

Check this spreadsheet for more info https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[surreal pelican]

So .300 Blk is the more powerful variant of 5.56

[surreal pelican]

Thank you 🙏

[torpid onyx]

its a differant caliber entirely I wouldn't call it a varient

[jolly verge]

The problem with 5.56 is that JHP can't pen level 3 armor, while any other rifle caliber can

[surreal pelican]

Oh

[jolly verge]

And it's require extra shot on Lethal obsession map to incap suspects

[surreal pelican]

I see

From what I'm reading on the doc, my understanding is that .300 Blk is the equivalent to the 7.63x39

[jolly verge]

Yeap, the only difference is that .300blk have less cover penetration

[surreal pelican]

And for the doc, higher the number rating (eg, leg incapacite is 5 for a certain round) means that round is more effective in doing that right?

[surreal pelican]

Ahh and hence less chance to overpen especially on AP

[jolly verge]

Yeah, with AP you can accidentally hit someone behind a wall

[surreal pelican]

Ye, thats partially why I wanna use JHP over AP

[jolly verge]

Number of hits require to incapacitate suspect

[surreal pelican]

Higher calibre JHP rounds like 7.62x39 is unable to pen covers right?

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, got confused by the numbers

[regal tiger]

Is there a new update for the ps5 yet

[jolly verge]

Depends on ammo pen value, cover and it's material, check ammo quick ref list

JHP deals much less damage on wallbang and can't pen some covers compare to AP

[surreal pelican]

Thank you, sorry I'm still relatively new to the doc and game

[jolly verge]

As example steel doors have level 4 armor, so that means only rifle caliber with AP ammo can pen it

[surreal pelican]

I see

Looks like there's more research to be done, my first run was just Non Lethal S runs

Now I'm attempting to do it on Hard Mode before I do iron man and the no officers down achievement. Thank you for the info aspid

[torpid onyx]

7.62x39 is near identical to 300blk/7.62x35 (the metric name for 300blk) just so you know

[surreal pelican]

o

[torpid onyx]

but it does have a tiny bit better cover penetration atleast with AP as far as I know although it's not massive

[surreal pelican]

I think imma have to try out every ammunition type along with JHP and the AP rounds for said ammunition types

But thank you too

[surreal pelican]

Maybe I can use them to just down perps hiding behind doors instead of flash if they have a hostage to the head

[torpid onyx]

wallbanging a hostage taker is risky

also you can usually engage a hostage taker directly and have a few seconds before they are prompted to do anything as long as you arnt being too aggressive or shouting

[surreal pelican]

Ah

[surreal pelican]

Flashbangs/Stingers will deal the stun and then ordering them to surrender is another effective way of getting them to let go right?

And is there a page on the doc which dictates which door/wall/material has the relative thickness or ammo type that can pen it? I can't seem to find it

[unborn echo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Znj4rCaM8g6QREFNWwHRBFSdnfdzYM37Y5AeHQ10rtg/edit?gid=1872913184#gid=1872913184

try this one

[jolly verge]

Well this one was made for me to test things, not sure if you will understand without examples

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

[unborn echo]

i mean as long as it is what it sound like then it shouldnt be a problem

[surreal pelican]

No issue, any info is useful to me coz I just finished non lethal S run and will attempt hard and iron man mode soon

I wanna just use lethals after I'm done with the grind

[jolly verge]

First test to understand penetration mechanic is the double doors on gas station mission

[unborn echo]

wallbanging is so weird in ron, because what do you mean i cant pen a cloth fabric but the ai suspect can punch through 10 inches thick cement wall

[jolly verge]

That the point, suspects and you have the same pen

[surreal pelican]

Haha, that's why I always just go with the classic flash/stinger

Better to not risk it

[surreal pelican]

Question about the silhouette HP, the darker the red means the more health you've lost right?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

It's does not update in real time btw

[surreal pelican]

Thank you

oh

Is there any scenario or case as to which steel may be better than ceramic?

[jolly verge]

It's mostly RNG, but steel is better in long terms

Especially with armorer trait

[unborn echo]

hell nah, trust me on this one, your armor plate is NEVER going to break first before you die

[surreal pelican]

Damn

[unborn echo]

suspects always aim for your limbs

[jolly verge]

It's actually will most of the time

[surreal pelican]

For me I've been using ceramic all the while, no issue so far

[surreal pelican]

It absorbs like 80% of damage only right?

[jolly verge]

Getting hits to the limbs is good

[unborn echo]

steel got buffed recently

[jolly verge]

86.5% and with armorer 91.5%

[surreal pelican]

Oh damn

I might have to try steel one day then

I mean I've been running ceramic with no issue