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[winter tusk]

try firing it fast

[stoic thistle]

Do yall think that the USIA used hurricane Antonio to do anything,

[warm thicket]

Is the next LSS mission coming out next DLC?

[wraith gale]

LSS only has 2 missions. the next in-game missions will be in a purchasable 3rd DLC

[warm thicket]

Oh ok

[glass heart]

i wonder what theme thats gonna take

right now we've gotten urban, coastal settings as well as revamped alpha content in DLCs

[daring hazel]

y'all

how do i get S-Ranks in Missions

[glass heart]

you need to secure all evidence, leave with EVERYONE ALIVE and CONSCIOUS

and you also need to report EVERYTHING and every objective to be done

so you cant use firearms

[daring hazel]

hmm... so use the VPL?

and the TRPL?

[glass heart]

anything less than lethal

[gusty pelican]

Better off with beanbag shottie

[glass heart]

be that pepperball or beanbag weaponry

do NOT give your swat ai beanbags

they WILL hit headshots and kill people

[daring hazel]

that beanbag shotgun too slow for me

[gusty pelican]

You can by now they fixed that for the most part

[glass heart]

as in the ai doesnt go for headshots? or do their headshots not kill

ive always heard that for years atp

[gusty pelican]

Throw on a vet trait and they aim for the body or atleast they have for my whole s rank run

Headshots

[daring hazel]

nah i'ma give everyone of my people the VPL & TRPL

[gusty pelican]

They don't aim for the them anymore from my experience

[daring hazel]

only thing i'm just really confused and concerned about it what Deployables should i run

cus i might go full Pepper/Gas

[gusty pelican]

Gas is busted rn don't use it

Has no range so it doesn't work properly

[daring hazel]

damn

better off with the Stingr then

[gusty pelican]

Stinger for big rooms flash for small

[daring hazel]

since from what i've experienced Stingr is better

[spiral tundra]

I do

[jolly verge]

Swat ai can't headshot kill with beanbag

[spiral tundra]

I can consistently get like 2-3 shots on target with the beretta shotgun from chest

Before I start missing

Due to recoil

[winter tusk]

panic shots are hard to control. but when ur composed recoil isnt an issue

[glass heart]

since when?

[jolly verge]

2 years already

[glass heart]

damn

[jolly verge]

[glass heart]

i always followed that mantra for no reason ig

[high quiver]

1st playthrough
COP LARP and/or OPERATOR LARP
chase achievements, and all the unlockables
Turn Off Brain, Shoot and press F constantly
Do not a give single percent of a fuck about the story

2nd playthrough
Noticing storyline
Notice the little details

[patent plover]

Yeppppp

[simple dirge]

Guys, I find Relapse way more difficult than Greased Palms and any other maps 🙁

clear the first floor: good

clear the third floor (2 sectors): good

proceed with the second floor: they kill me almost instantly 🥲

Wtf!!!

[spiral tundra]

Tends to happen

You gotta be careful with the corners on this map

And the hallways with loads of doors

Just remember; there is ALWAYS a flank open on this map

Use many wedges, and you can use a mirror gun to see around corners

[simple dirge]

Definitely always, I used to be the wedge master but…not time to wedge shit in this map. Just room clearing fingers crossed and spinning around…

[spiral tundra]

Yeah

Just try make sure everything is clear on one side before moving to the other

Also, I learnt you gotta wedge the door that you come out from on sky bridge cuz sometimes they run back into the starting wing

[spiral tundra]

On a run the final dude one tapped my friend, then in the seconds it took me to get there he disappeared

A couple mins later I hear a single gunshot and bring order to chaos pops

I find him on the first floor you enter from.

[simple dirge]

Shit

[spiral tundra]

He ran all the way there within a couple mins

[simple dirge]

Is horrific.

[spiral tundra]

Then just offed himself

[spiral tundra]

Yeah leaving one door open on that map can mean they just run miles away

And you got no way to find them

I only realised he ran there due to the open doors afterwards, and originally the gunshot

[simple dirge]

Yep, btw I tend to wedge anything behind me but those stairs…since I do 1st floor, 3rd floor and then go back to clear the 2nd…I cannot make up my mind about all the possibilities …

[high quiver]

The story is actually good in this game, wtf

[patent plover]

It's a horror game disguised as a tactical shooter

[simple dirge]

Yep

[spiral tundra]

Yeah with relapse uou just gonna pray

[patent plover]

Of course it's good

[spiral tundra]

Also, on relapse shotgun is your best friend

[simple dirge]

🙏🥶

[simple dirge]

Why?

[spiral tundra]

Just make sure on the ones with armour you aim for limb or head

The ones with armour tend to be near bomb rooms

[patent plover]

One word for ya

[spiral tundra]

Cuz you can one tap most of them since most are unarmoured

[patent plover]

B O M B

[spiral tundra]

There’s a few armoured ones, like the ones with AKs

Or RPDs

But the rest tend to be doctors with no armour

[simple dirge]

Those 2 bombs are the minor issue on first and third floor, is when I enter the second floor that shit hits the fan…

[spiral tundra]

On east wing?

[simple dirge]

Can’t actually tell you, I go down by “the stairs”, one of the two, and then enter the shitstorm

[spiral tundra]

East wing is the one you cross over to

I tend to struggle most where you cross over from north to east wing

Cuz the bomb room is packed with armoured dudes

Then outside you have a hallway leading to stairs

One word with the shotgun
try not to kill the HVT

[simple dirge]

The two bombs, where they are located, do not represent a big issue…is that middle floor after defusing everything…

[spiral tundra]

Yeah

Thing is with getting the HVT

he loves to be in a corridor aiming at you

[simple dirge]

I just care of completing the mission, gonna kill that mf in case….

[spiral tundra]

Alr well

I’m gonna go sleep, so gn
Good luck

[simple dirge]

Tnks man 🙂

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[worthy remnant]

what this guy said

[quasi coral]

Ready or Not

[toxic harness]

What? What did he say again?

[civic mica]

i am also havingg a really hard time understanding

[toxic harness]

are you speaking the right language?

[quasi coral]

Rererereadu

[toxic harness]

WHAT

[tropic siren]

officers wont get too stressed/resign if i murder all suspects on a map, right?

the VOTD suspects keep firing at me through walls and im tired of trying to take them prisoner

[ionic gale]

They will get stressed

Also, some missions will have guaranteed stress levels like certain mass shooter missions, so it’s more crucial that you actually get all this suspects for that as well

[tropic siren]

but not resign, right?

theyre all content so i wouldnt assume so, BUT i cant be sujre

[void steppe]

If they haven't had any stress before. They won't leave.

[glossy mauve]

I dislike the whole conspiracy plot of RoN

I think it would have been better if you were just like a normal guy doing this shit

[lean pollen]

50. ae deagle

[frail laurel]

relapse makes me want to die

all the rooms look the same so i cant even remember where ive cleared 💀

[reef umbra]

Clear the top floors of the wings to defuse the bombs, go floor by floor- go back up and cross to the side you came from, go floor by floor.

That's the most effective way to clear Relapse.

I tend to use a MK18 because it's compact and reliable with an M11.

[frail laurel]

im working on an S rank rn

[reef umbra]

Okay, get the pepperball rifle

[frail laurel]

thank u for the advice 🙏

[reef umbra]

Use the pepperball rifles and shotguns, but essentially- you can shoot someone in the lower stomach if they're armed. They won't be dead so, restrain them.

I tend to use lethal rounds but aim for the lower stomach or hip area because it doesn't kill someone.

[toxic harness]

Do not use pepperball rifle

[digital bobcat]

do not use pepperball rifle in a map with thin walls, they will wallbang you dead before you blink

[lusty light]

general consensus is don't use pepperball lmao

[winter tusk]

its uty tbh. if iw to be sadistic, ill spam it on suspects

[crude prism]

pepperball is good for Standard, not so much on Hard because it gets nerfed while the beanbag significantly less so

[stable kernel]

Oof ouch beanbag

Oh nvm all better

We love hardmode

[crude prism]

we love masochism mode

[covert aurora]

pain and suffering

[thorn scaffold]

Hey has anyone made a ICE mod yet

like fr I will pay any amount of money

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[bitter mason]

Real

[bitter mason]

Plenty of mods to dress yourself as a masked thug

[quasi coral]

Not gonna lie, I don't know if it's been mentioned but I really love the lines the officers give under fire

It's a nice addition to the game lol

[torpid onyx]

incapacitation is no different to killing them

exept for if its a specific target like FISA adams then you can incap and arrest him and it counts for the objective

but incapping only gives you 5 score making you unable to get S rank

[torpid onyx]

also incapped enemies can't get back up only ones marked as "dead" whom are faking death

those are the only two differance between incap and death

[glossy mauve]

Yeah i really dislike the whole lore about fisa and usia

[quasi coral]

I think it's fun and gives some clarity on why Judge is so

Unfazed?

[glossy mauve]

It's dumb

[quasi coral]

Another day another silenced by the USIA

[glossy mauve]

It's a stupid storyline and dumber execution perhaps if this was another charater other than the judge

But I think the judge being this super soilder makes the game lose some punch

Now you're no longer this regular guy trying his hardest now your this super soilder that's being used in a ultra experiment cause by fisa and usia

[quasi coral]

Personally, I think it made great material for some missions, and it really gets you thinking about the character.

[quasi coral]

Well pretty sure it's just the USIA, but not the point here

Uhh, honestly, I can't argue against your thoughts, but in my own opinion

I think it isn't bad necessarily, and actually makes a great addition

[glossy mauve]

It is actually bad necessarily

[quasi coral]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on why is that

I feel like this is more of a personal preference thing, it in-fact actually made the game a lot more expansive, with the Lethal Obsession mission

[thorn scaffold]

can you link

[glossy mauve]

Because we are supposed to ebay cog in the police department

And a regular guy

And now we know judge is this super soilder

[quasi coral]

Ebay cog?

[glossy mauve]

A cog*

To be a cog

[quasi coral]

Oh, ya I suppose it'd feel a little more like you are trying to make ends meet and make things work

[glossy mauve]

Don't you think our actions have a little less punch

[quasi coral]

It'd be more like a "I'm just trying" sort of feel, and honestly I'd love that

Ya, I guess so, but if you think about it, we don't even know what Gamma One is supposed to be

Maybe just a project for a lifeless command and act unit or

Whatever, not necessarily a super soldier

[glossy mauve]

Even then

All of our actions feel lesser when we win

Compare that to swat 4 where a data center is a huge undertaking

Amd all of your actions feel like they have a ripple atleast in the level

[quasi coral]

I suppose, it's only gameplay wise a win, I guess it does feel less

Personally it doesn't really affect mission impact for me, it only plays a part in mission story like Lethal and 3 letter traid

[glossy mauve]

Yeah that's also bad

[quasi coral]

If Judge didn't have USIA roots, maybe those two wouldn't have happened

[glossy mauve]

Then they shouldn't have happend

Simple as

[quasi coral]

Excuse me WHATT? They were super fun and interesting though, I disagree with you heavily on this one

Considering it's a DLC, I feel like this is a really cool take on the usual missions

[glossy mauve]

I haven't played dark waters yet

[quasi coral]

Ok that's out of the question then

But playing this, Judge isn't really a MAJOR part in Lethal Obsession

The guy went insane over the USIA experiments, and that is actually pretty interesting

[glossy mauve]

Ok fine

[cedar mulch]

Actually, I'd prefer to switch protagonists, because the judge's ending might not turn out well.

Because LLDP and the Spider Organization clearly cannot resolve incidents solely within the United States; they must operate across borders. And the new lead agency must be an organization like the FBI to accomplish this.

[glossy mauve]

You know we could have had several different protagonists

But we don't, I would have preferred that or something more like swat 4

[cedar mulch]

His position as a judge prevented him from uncovering the truth. If he were to die, the FBI would have every reason to intervene. This matter clearly cannot be confined to California alone.

[glossy mauve]

FISA*

[glossy mauve]

So you're saying it's nation wide?

[cedar mulch]

I believe it's not just California that's rotten in the U.S.; it's quite possible that other states have similar issues.

[glossy mauve]

That's so stupid

Man I fucking hate this games lore

Well whole lore

[cedar mulch]

Like Los Locos and the Spiders. They're bound to have strongholds and activities in other states.

[glossy mauve]

The mission lore is great, but wow this whole games lore is fucking STUPID

[glossy mauve]

That's fine

We know that already

[cedar mulch]

VOID Restricting their role as judges to the LSPD is actually a limitation, meaning it's difficult for them to know what truly happened.

If the Judge were in the FBI, things would be much easier. And the game missions would be more like what HRT needs to accomplish.

[quasi coral]

Good point.

I do feel like this is too movieish

[lunar oracle]

i see it more as "regardless of who or what you are, you are there to bring order to chaos"

[marsh lark]

Yes

[lunar oracle]

medo tf does your name mean

[marsh lark]

Honeybadger

[lunar oracle]

based

[marsh lark]

Anywho judge is an experimental "soldier" for the USIA

He was medically discharged from USIA as he is a war veteran and he was put into the ranks of LSPD SWAT

He's pretty much USIA's first successful test subject

[lunar oracle]

more failed considering the container scene

[marsh lark]

Hm?

[bitter mason]

None on hand just look about nexus mods

[cedar mulch]

This portrayal further demonstrates that the judge is not a traditional good person or hero.

[stoic thistle]

Do you think the preacher's ramblings at the greenside dormitories have meaning to them?

[floral gorge]

anything have meaning.

[stoic thistle]

They mention angels coming from the eye of the hurricane, and that his brother, mother, father, and sister were taken by them. It could be that the "angels" are the USIA, grabbing people during the hurricane.

[marsh lark]

He's someone different, yeah

[cold shore]

Sorry if this is the wrong channel but this Discord is a maze. I've got two questions about PS5 trophies:

1. "From House to Home" (Complete all Home Invasion DLC trophies) - I've unlocked all 7 DLC trophies, but this trophy shows 6/7. Any ideas why?
2. "I’m Too Old For This..." (Complete all Base Game missions on Hard difficulty) - I've completed 11 missions on Hard so far, but progress shows 6/18. Are there extra requirements (missions rank, single player/multiplayer, soft objectives, etc.)?

[red dock]

achievement bugs that still haven't been fixed, possibly effected by usage of NVGs

[cold shore]

Yeah I had the NVG bug on the Rust Belt .357 Magnum only trophy I believe and it worked when not having NVG. Guess I can try and redo the missions of the Home Invasion trophies and hope one of them triggers the 'From House to Home' trophy.

[red dock]

i got the same situation on PC as well so it's not uncommon

[jolly verge]

NVG does not affect any achievement in game

[cold shore]

Well it's a strange coincidence then that I got "Way Out West" when removing NVG after not getting the trophy after a bunch of tries with it on.

I Google'd and found a bunch of different info about that trophy and the NVG seemed to do it for me anyway.

[jolly verge]

Used lockpick, did not get at least C grade, swat ai have shields in loadout and, nothing to do with, NVG, tablet, attachments, armor, helmet type and so on

[glossy mauve]

He should be a voiceless person

Well

Personalityless

He should have no charaistics other than good at job

Or they should have made him a good cop

I feel nothing for judge now

He's about as faceless and personalityless as the lead in swat 4 but without the charm or execution

This games lore pisses me off so bad I wanna make my own ready or not with blackjack and hookers

[copper cypress]

Pointing a gun at a suspect increases their stress, but what about looking at them with pepper spray?

[jolly verge]

Just pointing wont do anything, you have to ADS at them, which you can do only with guns

[toxic harness]

Why cuz Judge is portrayed as an uncorruptable cop who has Military Background and was somehow part of the USIA experiment which became successful? He did some emotions in Hide and Seek, Leviathan and Mirage

[glossy mauve]

Sure some

But that's once

[toxic harness]

But he only became hesitant in Hide and Seek as the other 2 he has to inform of the situation

[glossy mauve]

Sorry I'm kinda stupid what do you mean

[toxic harness]

So you know when FISA told Judge to close the door? He was hesitant on that part cuz he wanted to save the traffic women but had to close the door anyway otherwise he has to deal with FISA bullshit

[glossy mauve]

Ah ok

Still that's like barely any emotion

It's nothing and I hate it

If they wanted to do a emotionless cop

They should have a done blank slate

[toxic harness]

It's supposed to be like he is slowly showing emotions as in game he doesn't need therapy unlike his other officers who has emotions

[glossy mauve]

When's one other time he showed emotions

[toxic harness]

Just only Hide and Seek

[fading anvil]

CLOSE, THE, DOOR

[toxic harness]

Unless you want to get involved with the federal case, I suggest you shut that door and walk away. We will take care of it

Home Invasion and Dark Water did set in later times but Judge acts like Judge aka no emotion

[glossy mauve]

Oh God there's only 2 ways this can go for ron

It becomes hoi4 or free dlcs

[toxic harness]

Hoi4?

But do you think Judge also shows some emotions when he reports a downed officer?

[glossy mauve]

Hearts of iron 4 has like a billion paid dlcs

Ron is ethiere gonna expand its story with paid dlcs

[toxic harness]

What the fuck

[glossy mauve]

Constant paid dlcs

[toxic harness]

It seems like it but Los Suenos Stories was free alongside the Ronsole release

[glossy mauve]

But rhey aren't apart the main story

[toxic harness]

Plus Console players who owned Deluxe Edition has access to Mission Alpha aka content in 2026

[toxic harness]

They are as Stolen Valor takes place after Twisted Nerve when an officer went missing during the Twisted Nerve operation

And Hunger Strike took place before Rust Belt

[glossy mauve]

The game tells you they arent

[toxic harness]

Wdym it does as the mission statement mentioned that an officer went missing during our operation and the 2 missions are at the same location

[upbeat shore]

"Main story", okay what is the main story?

[toxic harness]

Plus if you do check the body cam dates it shows they're a day apart so like Twisted Nerve one day, Stolen Valor in another day

[toxic harness]

can I answer?

[upbeat shore]

Please

[toxic harness]

Main story is that there are multiple connections on multiple crimes like drugs and weapons. There are some missions that are related to relation from the American Military like you have the Hand's arc

But generally you have this one named organizion involved with trafficing that LSPD has been working day and night. And then it leads to Port Hokan raid

[glossy mauve]

Just because it can fit in the timeline dosent mean it's cannon, the game tells you they aren't apart of the main story and that you have to select them spesificly

Also please this games gonna need like 8 or 9 dlcs to finish the story

[toxic harness]

Operation Zulu finna be the final one lol

[cedar mulch]

No, this requires quotation marks. Strictly speaking, the judge and USIA have always maintained contact and never severed ties. This can be seen in the 3LT, where whenever the USIA needed judge, he would come.

[toxic harness]

Where does it say it's not canon btw

[upbeat shore]

Yeah okay, that is clear.
I personally never seen RoN as a "story game".
Interconnected levels, yes.
But i just see it as "you're a bunch of cops doing their jobs".

Story-wise.. nah.
The bits and pieces throughout the levels shape a world, but thats about it.

[glossy mauve]

When you boot up the game

[toxic harness]

huh

[cedar mulch]

I believe he's far from being an anti-hero. He's more inclined to work for the villains.

[toxic harness]

I hope they don't go stale with their next mission release as it can really hurt the whole lore

[glossy mauve]

When I booted it up for the first time it says the LSS missions aren't cannon

[glossy mauve]

They will watch it

[toxic harness]

I never seen that at all (im on console)

[glossy mauve]

This game will get a ton of dlcs

You'll buy the game at 50 bucks

[upbeat shore]

I also have no idea what hes talking about tbh ^^

[glossy mauve]

And need to spend atleast 40 or 50 more finish the story

[toxic harness]

I am trying to find where it says LSS is not canon when a lot of ppl include it in their lore stories

[upbeat shore]

Neither can i remember anything popping up stating the "not cannon" part nor is nothing speaking against it.
There isnt even a logical reason why it shouldnt be part of the whole timeline

[toxic harness]

Idk but frying fries in Chico's is peak

[upbeat shore]

Somebody gotta finish the job 🍟

[toxic harness]

RoN is secretly a JOB SIMULATOR

THEY FOOLED US! FUCK YOU VOID FOR MAKING ME FEEL EMPLOYED!!!

[toxic harness]

I wish there is a minigame you need to do in Chico's aka play Papa's Chicozzria while your Ai Swat team has to clean rooms on their own

Just to get an S rank

[spiral tundra]

Afternoon

[toxic harness]

Hallo

[spiral tundra]

I think they’re a bit too fried

I accidentally left them on after they all decided to rush me

[toxic harness]

Whis, syfm I am the cook in this situation

[spiral tundra]

I will put a 12 gauge through cooks skull

[toxic harness]

Add the 12 gauge to the fries

[spiral tundra]

I think stingers taste better tho

[toxic harness]

CS Gas for visual effects

[spiral tundra]

Add the criminals arm that I shot off

Criminal nuggets

[toxic harness]

Want a Los Locos Hotdog? Oh three of them? Sure!

[glossy mauve]

Those people are morons

[toxic harness]

MY SWAT TEAM ARE ALL MORONS!!!!

[glossy mauve]

Nevermind

I'm the moron

Anyways

[toxic harness]

[glossy mauve]

I think there's a problem for the future of this game

The dlcs

[toxic harness]

You want like another story list on the next next update that is not dlc?

[glossy mauve]

I want my game to be finished when i buy it

There's 2 ways this can go

A) VOID continues to release free dlcs

Or B) it has like 10 to 13 dlcs that are needed to finish the story

[toxic harness]

It's techincally done

But the swat ai are hella broken

[glossy mauve]

Technically but does hide and seek feel like a finale?

Nothing feels finished

[toxic harness]

It is the finale of the "main" story but later on the hurricane came in to damage Los Suenos

And then you have Home Invasion

[glossy mauve]

Yes but that's not my point

My point is that the game has no sense of finale

[jagged quartz]

Tbf hide and seek doesn't really end the smuggling ring, it feels more like it sets up more mission where you find out who the spider group are

[glossy mauve]

Kinda like the first 8 seasons of futurama

[glossy mauve]

Exactly

It has no finale no grvitas

[jagged quartz]

The hurricane and and coast missions are cool, but aren't really related to the main campaign

And in hide and seek you don't even rescue the women in the container nor do you find the people hosting the auction so you really do nothing to stop it

[toxic harness]

But it does involve the Eco-Terrorist groups that attacked the Oil Rig and the Politician's family similarly to Ides of March and Sins of the Father

While Narcos still relates to the Los Locos when an undercover officer was caught and was beaten to death

[lusty light]

wait we're stopping eco-terrorists on the oil rig?? fuck, i shoulda just minded my business then

[toxic harness]

wait that's Dark Water

[jagged quartz]

I dont know man. Killing people on a live stream seems pretty out of bounds

[glossy mauve]

You're a fucking dumbass aren't you

[toxic harness]

But Dark Water has:

• Eco Terrorist - Leviathan
• Qatar Men - Mirage
• Gun Dealers - 3 Letter Triad

[toxic harness]

Calm the fuck down silksong damn

The Eco Terrorist and other unnamed group attacked a Politician Family in Home Invasion's Lawmaker tho

[lusty light]

m-muh feelings

[jagged quartz]

Your feelings shall not be spared

[void jasper]

I don’t think this is a story driven kind of game. There’s some backstory and a thin narrative tying the main missions together, but I think the scenarios are more about replay value than trying to make narrative out of it

[toxic harness]

Home Invasion:

• Meth Heads - Dorms
• Los Locos - Narcos
• Eco Terrorists/Unnamed Group - Lawmaker

I forgot Dorms exist

[jagged quartz]

It's the same eco terrorists from leviathan no?

[jagged quartz]

I don't know they have quite a lot of lore for each level, not just in the briefing but scattered around each level

[toxic harness]

Yep. The Politician Family was making a plan to have a oil rig near Los Sueños to gather oil faster, but this rallied up the Eco Group to the point they use violence to try stop the production of the Oil Rig

And then you got Leviathan where the Oil Rig was complete, yet the same group came in to try break it down

[void jasper]

Yeh that’s just to make it interesting but I don’t think maps in the future will necessarily be connected with lore or anything, some might be standalone scenarios like hostage situations, warrant service etc

[jagged quartz]

I do wish they'd make more maps tho 2-3 every six months is quite slow

[void jasper]

I always think it’s more about the map than the backstory, not meaning the briefing itself those are where they can throw in some lore but is short and sweet so to speak

[soft thicket]

Yo, why does it say corrupt data found. They didnt update it, did they?

[toxic harness]

If you have mods, run safe mode

[soft thicket]

But that doesn't let me have any mods, like i have the mods i had a month ago. Did they update the game or something.

[toxic harness]

Yes with LSS 3 patch

[soft thicket]

oh bruh so all mods dont work now

[toxic harness]

Handful of mods are updated

[soft thicket]

alr thx

[graceful kraken]

haha dumbass

[lusty light]

the fact that nobody can tell me saying that was sarcasm is sending me

[toxic harness]

I knew it was sarcastic

[lusty light]

yay, you're actually smart 🫶

[wraith arrow]

They are mercenaries and a cartel, not just gun traffickers.

[wraith arrow]

Shit, I've been thinking about that too. The main campaign from hide and seek is over, The only thing they gave us was 3 letter triad with Judge and that agent and the biological weapon

[toxic harness]

There is another Cartel beside Los Sueños?

[wraith arrow]

Los navegantes del caos

Los sueños is the city lmao

There are los locos and los navegantes del caos

[wraith arrow]

It's strange that they use the Ñ when they want and when they don't.

[toxic harness]

Fuck I meant Los Locos lol

[twilit mulch]

the mercs are a mystery. Exactly what did USIA send Judge after...

[wraith arrow]

There was literally an SAS agent among them and I don't remember who the other one was.

[stoic thistle]

A chemical weapon, maybe for a false flag or something.

[wraith arrow]

And they were biological weapons, they would send their best man to recover it

[wraith arrow]

Could be, USIA is also involved with Freemont

[twilit mulch]

the bomb is fake but who employs those mercs is a mystery. They won't work for thugs or cartels

[stoic thistle]

Yeah I can see that, they're probably in cahoots with Governor Whitfield too.

[glossy mauve]

Yeah

It's gonna be a bunch of dlcs

Or free updates

No inbetween

[wraith arrow]

Who was selling the bomb in the first place?

LNDC or the pmc?

[twilit mulch]

Exactly!

[wraith arrow]

Who is he?

[stoic thistle]

The governor of California, he's a proponent of the "safer cities initiative".

[wraith arrow]

Oh really? Cool, but I also wonder who the hell is the mayor of Los Sueños

His city is going to hell like Detroit and never see him

[twilit mulch]

or hear of him... yet

[wraith arrow]

It would also be better to know what is happening with the HQ

Or with the chief Galo

When we go to his office he says strange things to Judge knowing that the guy is a super human.

[twilit mulch]

there are too many questions!

[wraith arrow]

But more dlcs on the way

[twilit mulch]

we need to know!

the cake is a lie!

[wraith arrow]

Judge reminds me of K from Blade Runner.

[stoic thistle]

Here's an idea for a mission: you're sent after what the USIA says is a known terrorist and after you defeat all of the goons, you discover that its really an anti-USIA politician.

[twilit mulch]

why does that sound familiar

[stoic thistle]

Maybe there can be a "close the door" moment.

[wraith arrow]

JFK?

[twilit mulch]

[wraith arrow]

With the topic of Joe and that Judge is called David

David Beaumont

[twilit mulch]

could be an alias

[wraith arrow]

But I have the idea that Judge is just a pseudonym for the sleeper agents.

[twilit mulch]

aye, that theory's been going around, that Judge is MLO

[wraith arrow]

MLO would be the failed products of the USIA

Soldiers superhuman but without brains

David "Judge" Beaumont It was the only one that worked and was deployed

[twilit mulch]

hard to say without any evidence

[wraith arrow]

The most we know is that he COULD have a family and be a GWOT veteran.

[stoic thistle]

What if: people like Judge are put in the police, and people like the MLO are put in the army. America's security forces would be entirely loyal to the USIA.

[wraith arrow]

But compare it, in the universe of ron we won the Vietnam War

MK ULTRA was real and it worked

[twilit mulch]

or MLO can be an organisation trying to fix USIA, work from within. Maybe that's why Judge dropped everything when he was contacted by an unknown person within USIA who sent him to the Elysian

[wraith arrow]

Nah, MLO are the harmful results of gamma one, soldiers loyal to America, like 50 blessings

[twilit mulch]

hopefully time & VOID will tell...

[wraith arrow]

But it's strange, they use weapons like the AK even though they are Americans.

[wraith arrow]

Gamma one and two?

[stoic thistle]

If that's what they're called.

[wraith arrow]

The most experienced and capable soldiers whose minds were not broken and who have motor functions, could be gamma one

MLO is just cannon fodder

MLO: Brainwashed soldiers
Gamma one: True sleeper agents

[stoic thistle]

Oh yeah, gamma one would be good for the public face of the police state.

[stoic thistle]

The MLO are who you send if you want a tiananamen square.

[wraith arrow]

Deploying an MLO soldier somewhere in the Middle East would be fun.

[wraith arrow]

It could be, or even false flag attacks or anything you want.

They will not be afraid to die and will obey until death.

[rough needle]

not to derail this convo but can you point shoot ingame?

[copper cypress]

If in the future of this game, an armed civilian exchanges fire with a suspect with a gun, will you guys shoot him and the suspect together?

[wraith arrow]

Yeah?

[rough needle]

do you know the control for it

i remember doing it a while ago but i forgot it because i didnt play for a couple months

[wraith arrow]

What? I didn't understand the question.

[wraith arrow]

It would be cool, but the AI is very broken with Adams, in theory he is an undercover agent but he shoots to kill

SWAT 4 did it better with the same situation.

[rough needle]

like the

if youve played scp 5k they have a good point shooting system

i think cod mw3 has it when you flip on your nods

[wraith arrow]

I dont play scp

[rough needle]

lemme find a screenshot

https://www.reddit.com/r/SCP/s/Hq5uwRZGgO apologies for using a reddit link but is it possible ingame to aim like the third method shown in this video

[wraith arrow]

Aaaaaaaah

Yeah, ofc

I don't remember the key, try in the shooting gallery, everything looking for the settings

[pine pollen]

It's either O or P I think

I bind it to mouse thumb button, though

[rough needle]

ty

[rough needle]

im prob gonna bind it to that too so i can have my 5k and ron keys be as similar as possible

[toxic harness]

Belmont could be a reference to the Belmont Experiment where the ethical standards becomes a thing when doing human research

Cuz it involved doing inhumane things to subjects which created those ethical conditions so now you must sign a contract before getting experimental

[cedar mulch]

No, both the Spider and the port are linked to Los Locos. The Narcos storyline involves an undercover agent disrupting dealers and port's operations, prompting Los Locos to dispatch elite assassins to hunt down the infiltrator.

As mentioned in the port briefing regarding Mexican cartel intelligence, the modified MK18 used by the elite assassins in Narcos may also have been shipped to them via ports.

[worthy cobalt]

The goddamn pepper balls still don't work. Not after the "hotfix," not after the devs patted themselves on the back for "listening to community feedback." You'd think firing a projectile filled with pure agony directly into someone's face would elicit some reaction beyond mild annoyance, like they'd just sniffed expired pepper. But no – suspects blink twice, maybe cough politely like they're clearing their throat before a poetry reading, and then proceed to ventilate your squad with terrifying accuracy. It's not immersion-breaking; it's immersion-shattering with a sledgehammer.

Same with the CS gas, it might as well just be a children's smoke grenade

[deep patio]

Oh but I love when the stunned suspect suddenly decides they're not stunned, shoulders their rifle, aims at me and shoots at me in the span of 150ms

[crude prism]

CS Gas is nerfed to shit.

Pepperball is really strong on Standard and downright awful on Hard.

[deep patio]

I legit just had a suspect that was stunned with a stinger AND a flash decide to not follow the order shouted at him and ended me in two shots

[crude prism]

classic

[worn dirge]

Doesn't shotgun to the head stun them permanently?

[crude prism]

this is true, though my team gets upset tummies 🙁

[vague locust]

why did they even nerf gas, lol

its the optimal nonlethal strategy because nonlethal is a massive rng mess of grindy bullshit anyway

wonder how bad flashes are nowadays, used to be better than gas and super consistent

[worthy cobalt]

They die 😂

[crude prism]

they spun the balancing wheel and it landed on gas this time

[jolly verge]

Gas was too OP, but nerf just killed it, so M32A1 for now

[worn dirge]

Why need balance its just pve

[crude prism]

please

[vague locust]

same mindset of hard mode, the satisfaction of doing tedious things for an extended period of time

on top of guns still being unrecoverable underneath the port cars, pretty sure theyre still glitching in the crack house too

nevermind pepperball and beanbag being really bad, just a last resort kind of pve thing

[simple dirge]

Sorry guys….on my last mission…Hide and Seek.
Is Warehouse 13 the last compound to be cleared? Assuming you have secured the entire area outside Warehouse 13? I am in front of the Warehouse (properly wedged), two teams ready to breach and flash in two different doors….and I am wondering if I could clear the “tower” before entering with them…

[vague locust]

yeah? theres some containers in the back with doors leading to the fun trafficking stuff, clearing the tower is all thats left

and of course, the middle office rooms connected to the warehouse, but youve probs seen it

[simple dirge]

Btw….entered from east wing, two teams two entrances down the stairs from Pediatry and I did it! Thanks for helping me planning.

[simple dirge]

Yes there is a container-office with a door to the warehouse, that I wedged. They are all closed in the warehouse, it seems. I just need to enter now, outside is clear…

[vague locust]

ye, have fun

[simple dirge]

Looks like Greased Palms with the rain now…

[simple dirge]

Ok I am fucked. 👻

[jagged quartz]

Is the way out west trophy still glitched out on console?

[jolly verge]

What you mean

[glossy mauve]

How many dlc's do you guys think we'll get?

[crude prism]

Payday 2 levels of DLC (real)

At least 2-3 more if I had to realistically guess.

Supposedly PvP is still slated as well, so... not sure if that will extend the lifetime reasonably or not (probably not)

[jagged quartz]

Like you do the level with only the revolvers and it still doesn't unlock

Done it several times and it won't unlock

Might just be a thing on ps5?

[spiral tundra]

Np

[jolly verge]

Or you used lockpick, did not get at least C grade or swat ai have shields in their loadout as example

[glossy mauve]

That's awful news

That means to truly get all the content and the finished story you would need to spend upwards of 80 dollars

[simple dirge]

I had, meanwhile I was planning my entrance back and forth from the ground floor to the tower doors...I got fucked hard by some random aimbot fire from some doors/windows....I'll never do it again (hesitate?).

[vague locust]

yeah they do that a lot, i usually just go balls deep, just run p90 and leg everyone like in tarkov

increases chance to incapacitate instead of kill for slightly more points

use shield as your utility so it covers your back when you do 50/50 corner peeks

they aimbot based off info though so it was probably some cancerous one way window thats too dark or obscured for you to actually see and fight through while being shot at

its why beanbag shotgun sucks, they just aimbot wallbang you if your first shot doesnt stun

[spiral tundra]

Btw uh
Make sure you clear that office and tower properly

I’ve had many flanks from somewhere in the tower I didn’t sweep properly

[simple dirge]

The tower was all wedged, the windows...not 😄

[jagged quartz]

I didn't use the ai. And do lock picks count as weapons? As the trophy say "using only the .357 as a weapon".

I got b/a as grades every time

[jolly verge]

You can't use any tool

Only tablet, NVG and attachments on revolver

[crude prism]

I mean you can play the DLC maps in MP as long as someone who owns them is hosting.

Also, I don't want to be insensitive, but like... it's 80$

Other games nowadays expect that as an entry fee and then bombard you with even more monetization after the fact.

[glossy mauve]

I don't care

[crude prism]

sure

[glossy mauve]

If i paid money for a game

I expect the game to be finished

[crude prism]

Brother, DLC has been a staple of gaming for over 2 decades at this point. Take it up with the dudes in the early 2000s, lmao.

Warn them of the future like a fucking ghost scaring scrooge

Some games do it best (DRG), some games do it good (RON) and some games exist purely to suck the dollar bills from you like a vampire

[glossy mauve]

If i had a time machine I would

[glossy mauve]

I would be scaring the shit out of Chris Taylor

"YOURE DOOMED CHRIS DOOMED FOR ALL TIME, You're afterlife is a horror story written by your crimes, your chains are forged by what you say and do"

[glossy mauve]

Ron is currently in the good category

Rn the dlc maps are really nothing major

But i think that if you truly want it to remain in the good category it will only do one more paid dlc

And won't release any more missions

[crude prism]

I mean it gets "good" just because you can experience all of the content, weapons, maps, without needing to own the DLC

I don't want them to keep bombarding us with more maps only though.

I want to see more overall boons to the gameplay experience. New modes, difficulty/map customization, AI fixes jesus christ

Game is just kind of drifting at the moment tbh

[glossy mauve]

But how am I supposed to gwt lucky to first of all

Get a guy who owns the dlcs

And second get a guy who isinr complete doggy dog shit to play them

[wraith arrow]

What do you think Judge's musical taste is?

[glossy mauve]

Nothing

Because judge is a nothing charater

[wraith arrow]

I mean, before he becomes a sleeper agent lmao

David*

[glossy mauve]

Nothing

[glossy mauve]

David or judge is a nothing charater

And a shitty charater, I dislike him to no end

[wraith arrow]

I will make it a character

[wraith arrow]

Don't say anything

[glossy mauve]

He is

He is a objectively shitty charater

And i hate him

He has the personality of a blank slate but all the charm of one too

[wraith arrow]

Okay, I understand lmao

But hey, any headcanon?

[glossy mauve]

Judge isint a sleeper agent

And is infact just a regular guy

That headcannon makes the game like 20 times better

[wraith arrow]

Lmao

[glossy mauve]

They should have just done what swat 4 did wirh their lead

And swat team

[wraith arrow]

What was the leader of SWAT 4 like?

[glossy mauve]

Like a bag of bricks

[wraith arrow]

Lol

[glossy mauve]

But atleast rhe rest of the squad had some dry humor and sometimes dark humor.

Something I can't say for RoN

My squad is about as Lifeless and as much of a nothing as judge

[wraith arrow]

Damn

[glossy mauve]

All of that would be ok

If the lore for judge just wasn't
So
Fucking
Stupid

Make judge a fully fleshed out charater other make him a bag of bricks

[stoic thistle]

Judge does seem to have a soul, Hide and Seek shows that.

[vague locust]

judge is a body pillow, hes been objectified, its already too late for him as a character

[red dock]

I wouldn’t mind more moments of idle discussion between the teammates

Rather than just one comment that occurs upon seeing what’s deemed the “main room”

[severe ermine]

Does anyone play online normally ie not kill all
The civilians and go gun ho lone wolf

[plain token]

I stand in my team mates line of fire to sabotage them

[uncut widget]

Why is carries of the vine that hard on hard mode?

Like what a skibidi bullshit?

[crude prism]

the visibility and layouts are unfair and downright cancerous

[stable kernel]

Bro did not experience 1.0 ai

You can tell who was around for that by how they talk about hard AI

[red dock]

Sometimes, I don’t bring non lethal so I just bring tasers or a GL

[upbeat shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934498235286974565/1381477231972585532/Suspect_moment.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/601593643152834570/930056708645077002/1640830295_1640168156.850749.gif

[cedar mulch]

The suspect at the new port clearly cannot do this.

[upbeat shore]

B-Crew

[stone bay]

Hard mode be like

His aimbot is following me thru the wall i can see bulletholes

[upbeat shore]

Not even close
AI in 2021/2022 was on a different level.

[stone bay]

Im new gen idk how it was before but hard mode is the only fun thing in whole game there aint that many missions and on ps5 we dont have mods

[red dock]

Wall hacking AI good lord

[red dock]

Basically make their accuracy near perfect and they always aim for the head, they KNOW which way you’ll be coming from and are fast

[stone bay]

Yeah it aint that bad it makes it fun people are not running and gunning on hard mode like on casual

[red dock]

Early AI was essentially killing the player count of the game

Now though its gas grenades having a lack of effectiveness make the game somewhat lame

Also no helicopter sniper

[wild scroll]

Greased palms on hard difficulty is punishing

[quasi coral]

Damn they exploiting now?

[red dock]

God I love greased palms

I need more missions that are massive shootouts, like a corporate building raid

[spark obsidian]

yeah you are not the only one 🙁

[weak python]

i hate greased palms

[red dock]

We should play greased palms when I have the time!

[weak python]

sure why not

[red dock]

Nice

[weak python]

i cant remember the name of the sight but it would be cool if the red dot from the og Cod 4 was in the game

[sinful ruin]

Just point and shoot

Pre fire

[weak python]

also would be funny if the P320 was in the game and when a suspect dropped it it could go off and kill someone lol

[simple oyster]

Why do I keep getting Unable to connect to the Epic Services

[frail laurel]

void not have a weird buggy game challenge

(impossible(

[digital finch]

Just curious, did you load up the game from a quick resume session on Xbox?

I’ve found that if you turn your console off without quitting the game, the next time you get on it has trouble connecting to online and won’t connect until you quit the game and restart it

[mental ivy]

Is replay onconsole?

how do I look at my replay

[wheat summit]

So I play on Xbox and this is the second time I've completed Rust Belt only using the .357 Magnum, on Standard, and I haven't gotten the Way Out West achievement, is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

[torpid onyx]

no

[mental ivy]

the achievement is insane, U can never use grenade or gadget it must be magnum all way through

[torpid onyx]

this happens with any game that requires a constant active network connection if you quit the game without closing it because once it goes into quick resume sleep it disconnects from the game servers

[wheat summit]

Seriously? Not even the lockpick on the multi tool??

[mental ivy]

No

Only Magnum

[torpid onyx]

they added the p320 raider conversion kit but didn't bother adding just the p320 for some reason (as if anyone would use it)

[wheat summit]

God damnit, well thanks for the help

[weak python]

thats why your ai swat team exists

[mental ivy]

I have 0h and 0s in single player

[digital finch]

Yuuuup

[weak python]

all my time is in single player lol

is there any dlc maps that have you take down chomos or is it only just the 4 levels

[torpid onyx]

I only play single player just to get my S ranks done

[digital finch]

The only multiplayer I do is with my buddy and my dad

[torpid onyx]

having real teammates adds some variety

[weak python]

i got the only 2 missions i wanted to s rank done and im good

[digital finch]

I’ve never done a lobby with randoms

I have a good idea that I’d just run into brain dead troglodytes so I don’t even bother trying

[digital finch]

I’ve S- ranked about 7 missions and I’m pleased with that, I don’t feel like enduring the stress to S rank all of them, plus it doesn’t feel immersive or realistic to me. If a mf shoots at me, I’m shooting back

[vague locust]

i did it for the hawaiian shirt and fightin' shorts

aint a real larping game if you cant dress the part

[digital finch]

I’m one of the few folks that jus doesn’t care for the Hawaiian shirt, my fave outfit is the navy blue SWAT ‘99 fit, that’s all I use hahaha

[vague locust]

shiiiit, paired with the og gas mask

[digital finch]

I love the throwback to the old SWAT 3 game

Yesssss, I just wish they’d fix the graphics so the mask didn’t look like shit, it’s so low quality rn, like it’s made out of only a dozen polygons lmao

Cus I play on Xbox series S

[weak python]

did ides of march and valley of the dolls and after that i was good

[digital finch]

I had a legit ROE complaint S rank on lawmaker, every person I ran into didn’t shoot at me I was able to get them to comply with preemptive measures and pure luck

Lawmaker prolly my fave map

[weak python]

i way prefer the M81s

[digital finch]

I just hope we get the major bug fixes and a couple other maps, I’m worried tho that they’re gonna just abandon this one and work on like a sequel or something

[simple oyster]

No

[weak python]

i hope you can have traits on in quickplay

[digital finch]

You can’t, only way to have those officer traits is in commander mode

[weak python]

i know, i should rephrase it to i hope that in a future update they add that in as an extra option

[digital finch]

Oh yea that would be nice

[simple oyster]

Why does it crash every time I inv a friend

[distant ibex]

The bullet casing getting stuck in air is so annoying

[frail laurel]

has anyone fucked around with hard mode

is it insufferablr

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[digital bobcat]

Here I Come

[patent plover]

Yes I hate it

Got clipped through a concrete wall after putting 5 rounds of .300 Blackout into the back of his skull because why?

Oh right. He decided to wear the Adidas track suit that day and it game him invincibility

[red dock]

Absolutely had a go with it

I then modded it to increase number count and orient criminal difficulty to their types rather than everyone being a twitch reactive shooter

Meth heads and common thugs or gang members are cheap shit, spooks and domestic terrorists are the hardest

The Yemeni and organised crime are an inbetween

[true orbit]

kind of wish the voices of most characters are more aggressive in tone

[red dock]

I NEED MORE chaotic dialogue

Chaotic and idle dialogue between the squadmates

[true orbit]

Hillerman is the only one how a swat officer should yell in the game

[red dock]

Hillerman sounds like he’s been in service for a REALLY long time

A good opposite to him is Hammer, he’s not loud but he can sound like he’s on edge throughout a raid

Sometimes wish their voices popped up on the AI teammates in commander mode

[fair escarp]

Hi hi

[sharp wraith]

hi

[fair escarp]

Just started playing. This game scares tf outta me. Also drain my nergy like hell lol

Waht about y'all?

[sharp wraith]

euah

i just use mods that let me commit warcrimes against the criminals

funny to execute them infront of my teammates

[fair escarp]

Oh god lol

[frail laurel]

im trying to get the sleeper agent achievement rn

literally the worst experience

ive been trying to get this shit for 5 hours dawg

[red dock]

I get one mission done I want to immediately do the next one

[red dock]

What was that achievement again?

[frail laurel]

arrest 15 assholes consecutively within 15 seconds of one another on 3 letter triad

[red dock]

Dude HOW

[gritty star]

Isn't it kill or arrest?

[frail laurel]

Incapacitate or arrest

[frail laurel]

order a bunch of surrendered dudes to shuffle into a room together so you can cuff them 1 by one basically

[red dock]

Someone’s on an MGL or tasers for this entire time

[gritty star]

You can also start to arrest them and then cancel so they drop the pistol on their hip. So if they do get up before you're ready to arrest, they shouldn't have a weapon

[frail laurel]

I only ever use the less lethal munitions. The AI officers get so whiny when you kill people brah

I dont wanna have to switch out my team

would rather die than sacrifice my nutritionist and armorer

[feral zenith]

RIP to my ironman hard S teir run 🥹

[clear bison]

you got the next one tho right?

[fair escarp]

Same lol. Bit good god does it get me anxious lol

[feral zenith]

probably not im not done raging yet i was on relapse.

[clear bison]

alr but i belive in you vro

[red dock]

That’s fair

[fair escarp]

My favorite part about this game so far is when a hostage refuses to cooperate, so the SECOND I pull the taser out, they're immediately like "I would like to apologize" lol

[red dock]

You can pull out a taser, fire a warning shot, melee em, or force them to face tank a whole grenade

[digital cipher]

yall even had a issue where civilians will stand in the middle of an fire fight and accidentally kill em

[red dock]

Yes happens anytime they’re near a suspect, they get caught in the crossfire and get shot

[quasi coral]

Warning shots count for unauthorized use of force to my knowledge

[crude prism]

only if you hit them, you can scare suspects into fighting by shooting "at" them

real life hack

[red dock]

You don’t fire it at them just near them

[quasi coral]

Okay, last time I did that it counted for unauthorized though..

So I'm worried, even though it was months ago lol

[red dock]

Things have changed in those months, even TOC’s voice

And the gas grenade effectiveness going from great to dogshit

[stable kernel]

I don't see people mention this, but this has been a thing since forever?

At least as far as I can remember

[red dock]

It has very much so

[stable kernel]

ROE is very abusable in some aspects

[red dock]

Aspects such as forcing suspects to eat a whole stinger to their face

[copper cypress]

Does anyone else get headaches from the gunfire in the game? I used to get headaches when I didn't have a suppressor on my gun, but now I have no more. Not sure if it's just my imagination.

[bitter mason]

Gotta turn the game down my man

[stable kernel]

Most players still blast on sight with 7.62

But those who know can do this

I have noticed walking towards them within a certain range can trigger it too

[crude prism]

No clue how the internal timers work, but I know that in certain hesitating states, shooting spooks them into action, but otherwise getting within like melee range usually does it too

[bitter mason]

We need the dev tools to pick apart their brains

NOW

[crude prism]

I mean you could read their current states, but I suspect you'd have to go into logs after the fact and spend a billion hours to actually see the decision making weights and such

Not to mention needing to familiarize yourself with the nightmare that is action gating and archetypes

I do not envy

[stable kernel]

Do not speak those words

[red dock]

No I get annoyed by the suppression effect

[red dock]

You gave us the greatest rifle calibre known to man, I’m not letting it go to waste

[crude prism]

wooooooooooooooooooooo

[stable kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452425840274309120/1391368568540495902/dark_and_griddy_gif.gif

Now mod them and enjoy relaunching the game to change one value to do an hour worth of tests to see how often they do an action

I dare ya

[crude prism]

you see, this is why I work with LUA in gmod so I can edit stuff in real time without need to reload lmao

[stable kernel]

You know, the devs can play in editor

Alas, we are not so lucky

[crude prism]

does that one mod still work for changing things at runtime?

I think I saw one of those on nexus, unless I misinterpreted

[stable kernel]

Bro you think the repackaged cheat engine thing is programed for archetypes?

Crazy work

[crude prism]

were it so easy

change one AI behavior and then your computer bluescreens (real)

[stable kernel]

Even then I reckon you would still need to reload the map every change, but I guess it depends on how UE handles such memory things

I just push buttons and see what happens, idk how this works

[crude prism]

I bet all the AI decision making stuff is assigned upon spawn, and then you'd have to edit the entity itself, which would DEFINITELY crash the fucking game out if you were messing with not surface-level things

[jolly verge]

Same

[crude prism]

if you give AI visual/audio detection only 1 meter range they become blind, but gain automatic wallhacks if you make noise

no clue how that works

AI mods fucking suck and are definitely more insane than my delusional monotony tests

anyone who dares is a hero

[stable kernel]

I can't even find any UE basic AI logic stuff in the files, so they clearly did something custom that isn't the basic UE ai logic. So yeah, pretty umoddable at a base level besides what they leave exposed, which is... complicated since we don't have context.

[quasi coral]

Aw maen

[storm belfry]

what in the

[stable kernel]

What a nice AI mod that overhauls archetypes... would be a shame if we dropped an update that changes one variable in those and invalidates all your work...

[storm belfry]

[crude prism]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[storm belfry]

Who's the person who makes mods that triggers void to update

[crude prism]

"man I sure hope these listed variables do what their naming suggests, oh well, time to spend 900 hours prodding at ghosts"

[crude prism]

it's a collective effort, there's an invisible "frustration" bar of sorts and once the modding community has things under control for a week or two, it triggers the next update

[stable kernel]

"suspect_health" > actually changes the gravitational constant used to calculate lunar phases

And it's an int, cause fuck you

[storm belfry]

They have a bar that fills up in the CEO's office room

It hits 100% and they drop a update that they've backlogged for like a year

[crude prism]

I love having a laugh whenever I see a value over 1.0 for something that only scales from 0.0 to 1.0 as 0 to 100%

Not even the person editing the thing knows the scaling

[storm belfry]

exactly 💔

[stable kernel]

this is true, they use their satanic orbital fluid monitoring to survey community sentiment for modding satisfaction to determine when to drop mod breaking updates

[stable kernel]

Everything I can recall from this game is out of 1.0

Or I have blocked it from memory

[crude prism]

jej

[storm belfry]

As SOON as pc players are happy, they nuke it, they just obliterate everything, and add another game breaking bug to console

[crude prism]

it's so peak

[storm belfry]

void updates give modders long term ptsd

[glossy mauve]

Me too
But they don't

[stable kernel]

I would say they have only fixed console issues, but they seem to have somehow broken bindings for some that use keyboards so yeah

[glossy mauve]

Every line in swat4 gives them personality

[storm belfry]

Every time they fix something here they break something there

[crude prism]

apparently bullet casings lost physics and now just float static in the air on spawn for consoles, lmao

[stable kernel]

And that

[storm belfry]

they do 💔

[glossy mauve]

Everytime they fix something the break another

[storm belfry]

We're all Magentos

[crude prism]

100% tested, this definitely made it through QA, LUL

[storm belfry]

yup

[crude prism]

how to recreate issue: spawn, shoot

[storm belfry]

despite how I've done all my runs in hard mode with flying bullets being normal for me

[storm belfry]

it works for everyone including suspects

Don't even need to spawn and shoot 💔

[crude prism]

I love this funne game

[red dock]

Which sucks

[glossy mauve]

Yeah

The main charater isint even a bag of bricks

[storm belfry]

It's every bullet fired in the whole mission is suddenly being held in the air by Judge "Magneto" Beaumont

[glossy mauve]

Look i know mention it alot but swat4 did the swat officers CORRECTLY

[crude prism]

impossible standard, how are we supposed to live up to a game from... 19 years ago...

[storm belfry]

RoN players when ever they get a chance to mention SWAT:

Like we get it... a game my grandpa played has better code

[clear bison]

🤓

[glossy mauve]

Hey I'm sorry swat fid the officers bettwr

RoN is better in most things

But the officers piss me off

Especially Judge

[red dock]

I don't care for Judge not being exactly the same as the swat 4 MC, him sounding like a tired man who just wants to do some good in the world is more than enough for me

[storm belfry]

no no, I'm sorry because now we're gonna be in an autism vs autism argument over SWAT and RoN

[clear bison]

its okay we still love you bro

[glossy mauve]

This isint a swat vs ron
This me being autistic about how how stupid the lore in ron is

Both games are good and I canr decide wich one is better

[red dock]

That it's literally just MKUltra but it didn't stop?

[glossy mauve]

And it's idiotic

Fucking hate it

[red dock]

what if people find that interesting?

what if i want to see SWAT vs Spooks

[glossy mauve]

Sins of the father

[red dock]

like you can add in the other missions that don't relate to the main plot which can be really cool in their own right but still I did really enjoy 3-Letter Triad

[red dock]

I crave for more SWAT raids in high rise buildings

[glossy mauve]

Look my main problem with the lore is that I find it idiotic and how it fucks over the characterization of the swat team and judge

[red dock]

It only fucks over Judge, the rest of the guys aren't part of the original D-Platoon

they're just the average boys in blue being taken along the wild ride

[glossy mauve]

And they still feel like robots

They have no lines and no personality

[red dock]

yes we already stated they need more dialogue

makes me wish the voicelines from the multiplayer carried over to the commander mode

they got the voices, all they need to do is add dialogue that fits to their character attitude

[storm kernel]

LSPD

[red dock]

Example:
Hammer would probably make some casual or tense comments based on the scenario at hand
Hillerman's comments would range from more uptight or attempting to hold back his rage

[glossy mauve]

Who are those people?

[red dock]

characters from the multiplayer you can apply to your operator

[steep ermine]

so my game just kicked me out mid multiplayer session saying servers are unavailable anyone know what that means?

[glossy mauve]

Sorry I only know elliot,Prescott,swan and king

[red dock]

fair i know those dudes as well, they're cool

[red dock]

epic servers moment

[steep ermine]

yea

[glossy mauve]

Real swat raid in the void server room

[storm belfry]

Judge escaped

[glossy mauve]

Well then he's going to robot hell

[plain raptor]

Hello fellow kids

[true orbit]

I want to see SWAT vs. State Troopers or Sheriffs

some bullshit

[red dock]

only happening if they're corrupt cops

[true orbit]

that’s what I mentioned in the past few days

[red dock]

awesome

[true orbit]

lore wise. There’s a lot of corruption

just look at the secret service

[red dock]

TRUE

[true orbit]

And that FISA motherfucker

[steep ermine]

probably

[red dock]

Jack Adams? i thought he was enacting the preparation for a sting operation?

probably is corrupted but his work pays off anyways

[true orbit]

nah that fucker shoots at us

like cmon bro. What the hell

[red dock]

you should know how far undercover feds go to play the part

[true orbit]

Now in terms fighting corrupt cops….well the AI is buggy

Would make SENSE if they got the aimbot lmao

also wtf is swat doing on raiding an oil rig

you have the coast guard lmao

like give me a movie theater or bank map

[red dock]

LSPD working with COAST

[red dock]

WE USED TO HAVE A BANK HEIST RAID AND A HOTEL ENTRANCE RAID

[true orbit]

I feel like COAST got that shit in the bag tho

[red dock]

BACK IN THE ALPHA

[true orbit]

💀

[red dock]

they're going with the "not enough personnel" situation so SWAT's expanding their capabilities

[true orbit]

In real life, our coast guard would handle it

[true orbit]

ah yes that reason

they should add a small house map

you know that small house in rainbow six siege? Yeah that kind of small map

like…a regular house

not some crackhead house

[red dock]

Yeh

They already did with the Chinese family

[true orbit]

A mall map would be funny given how greased palms is fucking all of us

[true orbit]

oh right I forgot…

[red dock]

Idk what people are on about, greased palms is fine for me

[true orbit]

it’s not the map itself

It’s the AI having 100% accuracy on hard mode

Also, how the fuck does an AI manage to one tap me 100 meters with a pistol on that map

[red dock]

The AI is better off than what it was before, and no I wouldn’t give them aimbot accuracy. Make them on par with the ex-spec ops forces

[true orbit]

no

Tone done the stupid “aimbot”

[red dock]

Simple, it’s bullshit

[true orbit]

I’m tired of them killing me while they are moving fast

like make me do that shit

[red dock]

This is also true, they should be far less accurate while running and gunning

[true orbit]

or simply fix the AI

[red dock]

Would be great to be able to run

[true orbit]

I don’t care about the squad movement

I don’t care about the increased awareness (except when they somehow see you through walls)

I care about them having 100% accuracy

straight up, everyone misses their shots

oh also, fix the shields too?

I had multiple teammates dying when they had their shields up AND crouched

like what’s the point of the shield if you’re gonna die from the front?

[red dock]

I do. When I want them to literally use cover like the enemy does, my teeth begin to clench and my patience wears thin

[true orbit]

oh u were talking about the Ai teammates

I never play the single player lmao

But I’m aware of the silly issue

[red dock]

Enemy AI does need a behavioural and accuracy fix, teammate AI meanwhile needs a good bunch of additions

[glossy mauve]

What why not? Singleplayer is fucking awsome

[true orbit]

Because I’m too lazy to use the commands

[glossy mauve]

Skill issue

[true orbit]

I’m on console by the way

[red dock]

Enemy AI should be made to orient towards the types there are

Meth heads are complete pushovers

And spec ops are a combative nightmare

[glossy mauve]

That still sounds like a major skill issue

[true orbit]

Everytime I try to use the bumpers to release the command, they don’t work sometimes

[red dock]

A mod literally does this exact difficulty tweak for the AI

[true orbit]

I got my preference however

also, the ai teammates are buggy so

yeah. Fix the game void and then I can play your single player….perhaps

[red dock]

Everything on console is in a far worse state than PC

[true orbit]

Yeah that’s another reason I’m not playing single player lmao

[red dock]

There also used to be way more mods on the io page, but they got purged due to a patch apparently

[glossy mauve]

They aren't buggy as much as they are apes

[stoic thistle]

Yeah, they refuse to actually arrest people, dawg you're a police officer.

[lunar oracle]

mfs dont even have the grace to use that grease either

[glossy mauve]

Greased palms really wasn't allat honestly

[midnight glacier]

Are they planning to make the primary grenade launcher available in any way in the future on console?

[toxic harness]

In 2026 yes

[midnight glacier]

Okay thanks

[toxic harness]

If she is not Greased Palms, I don't want it

[jagged quartz]

If you don't have it i truly feel sorry for you if you're trying to do s ranks

[midnight glacier]

I did all of my S ranks without it, but I think it would be nice to have

[jagged quartz]

Oh shit that's pretty impressive. I'm still trying to do hide and seek. It's taking me forever to get. Last one I gotta do too

[midnight glacier]

In hard mode, there are more enemies so I am running out of items earlier and think it would be better than trying to wear a stab vest for the extra flashbangs 😂

That's what I have been doing to carry more and it has worked for the 11 missions I have done, but the bigger ones with more enemies, has been harder

[jagged quartz]

You're trying to s rank hard mission?? You're must be insane at the game hahah

I still haven't finished greased palms, sins of the father, or relapse on hard

[toxic harness]

Sins of the Father is the easiest out of the bunch as the others just require tiny luck and huge skills

[midnight glacier]

Sins took some time, a lot of making choke points and peeking corners. Definitely died quite a few times there lol

But yes it is doable

I'm working on the other two myself. Best of luck to you ☺️

[toxic harness]

You can 2 man most missions but some really needs a 4 or full team like Hide and Seek, Greased Palms, and 3 Letter Triad\

[midnight glacier]

Yes, I have been duoing the others, but we got stuck on Greased Palms and think an extra buddy would be helpful

[toxic harness]

I been doing a handful of Greased Palms that my advice is that I pray nobody is fucking stupid and think Pepperball is good

[floral gorge]

nope.

[jagged quartz]

Thank yes. And yeah sins of the father is probably a skill issue. And the ai teammates sometimes fuck up majestically

[toxic harness]

Like if someone says Pepperball is good, I will genuiely tell them to fuck off

[floral gorge]

every map can be cleared, by yourself.

[toxic harness]

If you can try

[midnight glacier]

Stab vests have been able to give us the extra boost of flashbangs, but even still, we have to use a lot of resources and have no room for error there

Like if we use one too many before going into the main building, it backfires on us

[jagged quartz]

Must be pretty rough trying to conserve all your resources to such a tight margin

[toxic harness]

Unless you have a party of your own

[sinful junco]

So I did the hermit challenge got the achievement and everything but the watch? Any help

[rich owl]

why can i not find that oil rig dlc thing in this game

[upbeat shore]

Have you purchased the Dark Waters DLC?

[rich owl]

i cant find it

i was gonnna buy it

[upbeat shore]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3174120/Ready_or_Not_Dark_Waters/

[rich owl]

also why does it try opening epic games when i open ron

oh

thanks also 2D profile lol

[upbeat shore]

[rich owl]

https://tenor.com/view/buffoon-gif-21598206

uhm

what does Corrupt data found, please verify your installation.

mean it pops that up when i open ron

also it opens epic games

[upbeat shore]

Outdated mods.

[rich owl]

dang

how do i delete em if i cant open it

i got them from the game menu not file mods

do i veify installastion or sum

[rich owl]

HOW 😭 ): ME DELETE

[upbeat shore]

#❓modding-faq

[heady wadi]

Gotta love the useless teammates team killing on purpose

[plain token]

We need a 100 player Swat lobby

[frail pier]

When update to fix game looking like buns