👮ron-discussion

[pine canyon]

Doubt it

[dusty lintel]

somebody slime this man

[dense stag]

😭 cooked. I got my bomb defuse achievement on my first run. It had me stressing

[alpine bloom]

thats not pretty bad after all then

[dense stag]

I’m a heavy armor steel plate guy, when I got to elephant it was immediate light armor

[alpine bloom]

the SWAT body doll shows its a light armor with no shoulder pads???

[dense stag]

Can’t say a game has had me freaking out til I heard shots from the perps.

[alpine bloom]

fair for being new i guess

irl that unfortunately happens in real time

[dense stag]

I hadn’t played the game since November of last year. I play on a steam deck

[alpine bloom]

tuff, welcome back then

[dense stag]

I know of all the missions just that one and relapse has me on edge

[alpine bloom]

like last year it had you on edge?

[waxen snow]

Isn't me or is the servers abit iffy to me I seem to be losing server connection alot more

[alpine bloom]

you are not the only one, i experience it too

[dense stag]

I recently got back into the game, last year it was a bit rough for the deck

So nooow. I did my full commander run and S ranked everything besides like 4 missions

[waxen snow]

Ok good cheers

[waxen snow]

Im halfway done

[dense stag]

What mission are you on? 😮

[pine canyon]

I’m on valley of the dolls

[waxen snow]

I just done just finished valley of the dolls and and greased palms

[willow grove]

has the devs done anything towards the loadout glitch?

[fair dove]

quick question, did they ever make CS gas not nerfed again

[gritty star]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-gif-12606389735899844757

[pallid root]

I usually play Ron with music in the background so I wouldn’t know

[alpine bloom]

no wonder why but fair

[pallid root]

After the lethal obsession mission RON stressed me out and all the cult stuff made it worse so I started playing music to tone it down a little and I still completed the lethal obsession mission but with a D rank

[alpine bloom]

well D is not bad but hey doflamingo profile matches it

[pallid root]

It’s horrible considering I usually score in the A-B ranges

[lavish frigate]

Is the Xbox Series S the reason why the entire game got graphically downgraded?

And why did the game even release on the Series S

[desert island]

cuz xbox said so

if u wana release a game on xbox it has to work on botj

[echo frigate]

Finished all the DLC and main campaign

[desert island]

both

[echo frigate]

Now we wait till 2026 for more DLC

[echo frigate]

Yeah

It’s sad because I can’t mod the game for new content

[digital oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1407867144653242449

[desert island]

some sort of thing where they dont wana abandon ppl who own the old version but punishes ppl for owning an xbox at all

[digital oriole]

I honestly feel this would be nice

[tardy saffron]

just realised the craziest thing Ready or not could do with a Gaming event by making a mission were something goes down at the Event location

[desert island]

they hate controversy

[haughty oriole]

why is bro amos

[digital oriole]

Console not just Xbox are weaker than pc they’re also governed by strict rules on certain topics

So the console experience of any game is going to be buns unless it’s made by a massive studio which can afford to upkeep that version

Look at rim world for example or stellaris

In general you’re punished for being on console anyway. I do use my Xbox but not as much as my pc

[shy tulip]

Fast way to get blacklisted from that event in the future

[spiral tundra]

Yeah more kids have access to console than PC

[tardy saffron]

not if its done and approved by the event

[desert island]

there is literally nothing good that can come out of cop rp at an event

or simulated crime

prop firearms r pretty much banned from any convention

even if the game was as huge and safe as something like

[lapis current]

how to i unlock ossifer traits

[desert island]

halo or callofduty it still would never be allowed

u can unlock 1 officer trait on each officer just by doing enuff missions with them in attendance

[lapis current]

ah

[digital oriole]

That too

They want to keep the age rate down too

[ocean cargo]

Can you not free lean with heavy armor or am I going fucking nuts

[pallid bay]

One question is the game good for a living room TV game?

[spiral tundra]

Some missions are ok… kinda

Most no

[shy tulip]

Uhhh, most missions yes. Some missions you may not want to because of the content of those missions.

[pallid bay]

What missions?

[spiral tundra]

Don’t play hide or seek, elephant, relapse

[shy tulip]

Depends on your home really, if people you live with are screamish to gore then probably not.

[pallid bay]

From the NSFW content

[spiral tundra]

Also neon

[pallid bay]

Ok

[shy tulip]

Neon, Relapse and Elephants are mass shooting levels. Twisted Nerve involves child drug abuse, there's an entire child exploitation CSAM storyline but I think on console the images are more censored than PC.

[pallid bay]

Okay.

I need a monitor fr fr

I’ve been watching the game like a year before it came into console I think

[digital oriole]

Then go buy one

[pallid bay]

Cant

[spiral tundra]

Missions not to play in living room:

hide and seek
Neon tomb
Relapse
Elephant (gore, sensitive topics)

Mid
VOD : child exploitation
twisted nerve child exploitation
If you get DLC, the gore and body distortion is crazy on narcos

[digital oriole]

Job. No job? Find one, can’t find one? Do freelance work, canr do freelance work ask your parents, no parents? Ask your closest job centre

[spiral tundra]

I think he’s young

[pallid bay]

If I wasent Young I wouldn’t been playing in living room so my parents be watching my games 24/7 🙏

[charred birch]

well the thing is he can’t get past elephant if he can’t play it in the living room 💔

Unless he plays when no one’s watching

[pallid bay]

What does elephant have?

[pallid bay]

That too yeah

[digital oriole]

cough not every job requires you to be 18 cough

[spiral tundra]

I play in the living room
But my parents know what I play and they’ll stop me playing anything crazy

[charred birch]

wait no he can’t even get past neon tomb since it comes before elephant

[pallid bay]

Is it Micheal Williams house?

[charred birch]

Well it’s a college shooting mission

[spiral tundra]

It doesn’t, that’s 11th elephant and neon is 14th

[pallid bay]

I can play that.

I can play the missions who don’t have NSFW content.

[charred birch]

It’s not the most graphic one apart from a particular room but the theme is controversial if your family cares about that

[charred birch]

Bro my memory has been fucked because of meds i’ve been taking my bad 💔

[pallid bay]

What does neon have?

[spiral tundra]

Hide and seek it’s not bad on the outside, and it’s not crazy bad in the women container after the clothes were added, but the auction room is the worst part

[pallid bay]

Is it the club?

[spiral tundra]

Bombing, terrorism and mass gore

[charred birch]

Well a SHIT TON of bodies and by a shit ton i mean a shit ton and well a few strippers in lingerie

It’s most definitely the most graphic level in terms of violence

[pallid bay]

Don’t play hide and seek, noted.

[spiral tundra]

The auction room has some stripped down women in smaller clothing and a ton of messed up stuff

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mc-conaughey-all-right-count-counting-fingers-gif-7221052

[pallid bay]

All my family cares about is NSFW content

[charred birch]

Also mate do you think your family would care if they heard some guy choking on his own blood ? 🫩

Because that can happen at times, or they can scream out of pain for a little while

[pallid bay]

Nah because I have headset

[digital oriole]

Then you’re a bit fucked lol

[spiral tundra]

Relapse has a ton of dead dudes and terrorism too

[charred birch]

Oh well in that case i guess you’re good

[spiral tundra]

I mean, the game got censored a bit so nobody’s completely naked

[trim dirge]

you aren’t ever getting past VOTD

[charred birch]

By NSFW do you mean everything NSFW or like, just stuff involving sexuality and all ?

Because man that game’s got a lot of BOTH

[pallid bay]

Everything

[spiral tundra]

There’s no naked people, lingerie but not naked

[pallid bay]

every single thing

[charred birch]

you might be fucked…

[pallid bay]

I need to buy a monitor then…

[trim dirge]

bro’s gonna be stuck on dolls for a while 😂

[spiral tundra]

Yeah bros cooked

Play neon tomb, hide and seek home alone bro

[charred birch]

The first mission has a manager with a fucking window in his skull 💔

Even THAT could get them to crash out if they care so much

[pallid bay]

Basic

[charred birch]

they may not notice or care enough though, well the manager was toned down in the update

[pallid bay]

My mom deleted my GTA because I ran over a cat accidentally

[spiral tundra]

Play hide and seek and neon home alone bro

[charred birch]

[trim dirge]

bro how do you have this game 😂

[spiral tundra]

Yeah you’re cooked unless you do everything non lethal

[charred birch]

Yeah i fear you’ll struggle mate..

[pallid bay]

I don’t 🙏

[trim dirge]

oh

[spiral tundra]

Like bro you’re gonna shoot someone for pointing a gun at you and get it deleted

[digital oriole]

[pallid bay]

Thats been 6 years ago

I am good now just Cooked on NSFW stuff

[spiral tundra]

@pallid bay only way I see you playing this is if you only play when home alone icl

[vale hull]

I recommend you to play Greased Palms, Sins of the Father, or Ides of March then. Play on hard difficulty and S rank for immersion

[charred birch]

Oh for that matter don’t use shotguns because you may tear off a limb… Or two…

[digital oriole]

Ides is too easy

[pallid bay]

Guys hear me out I have a strat for S rank

[spiral tundra]

You can clear ides with a shield

[pallid bay]

2 shield ops breach providing cover from left and right another person throws a flash bang and you taser everyone

[charred birch]

Ides is challenging on a first playthrough since it’s definitely a difficulty jump from the 5 first missions but then it’s fairly easy when you replay it, sins of the father is much worse

[spiral tundra]

2 shields? Not needed, you gonna friendly fire tryna return fire

[digital oriole]

I got it done A rank in 5ms first try

[pallid bay]

I ain’t buying RoN until I’ll get a monitor then.

[spiral tundra]

Taser does nothing in this game, irl people would be dropped on the ground by it but they tank it in game

[charred birch]

It can be viable in more open areas with long sightlines like Hide and Seek but usually you can’t hit shit and your AI can’t aim at all

[pallid bay]

Oh

[charred birch]

I actually find it pretty reliable, from my experience at least

[spiral tundra]

I don’t, but

[charred birch]

How long have you had the game again ?

[spiral tundra]

3 days, I use taser and it’s only worked like once

Even in the leg, people won’t do anything after it

[charred birch]

Man kind of unrelated but for someone who got the game so recently you seem to know quite a lot about it

[spiral tundra]

Sarcasm?

[charred birch]

Doing great so far then partner

[charred birch]

No I genuinely mean you got used to it quite fast 😭

[spiral tundra]

Yes I have been a no life for this game

[charred birch]

I know people who struggled a lot with the learning curve

[spiral tundra]

Well I’m the type of dude who tried playing cod tactically

I like tactical stuff

[charred birch]

I think i already recommended it to you but you may enjoy Insurgency Sandstorm in that case

[spiral tundra]

Yeah
Ima play ron first

I tried shotgun today and I absolutely suck at it

[charred birch]

Yeah you may want to focus on RON for now since Insurgency’s just a coop game mostly

[ocean cargo]

crazy i only play insurgency for PvP lmfao

[charred birch]

With pvp too of course but i don’t enjoy it much i played PvE mostly

[spiral tundra]

I think I’m better off with range
Cuz I try to engage at medium range mostly

[charred birch]

Buckshot or slugs ? Also which map 😭

[spiral tundra]

Buckshot on COV

[ocean cargo]

if i use shotguns im usually only using buckshot slugs are fun and all but if i blast through a suspect and a wall into a civi, it kinda blows

[charred birch]

I mean COV is a lot of CQB i think the hard part is that one yard with the greenhouse

And that tower sort of

Buckshot is more forgiving in CQB since you have the spread

[spiral tundra]

They never really spawn there for me
If they do they come running down and get one tapped

[charred birch]

Slugs will one shot just about anything but you really need to be careful with your aim

[ocean cargo]

see the thing is, is that buckshot usually one shots anyways too

[charred birch]

Buckshots usually one shot but it can take two on some maps where the enemies wear higher tier armor

[ocean cargo]

yeah but usually the maps that have enemies in higher armor are all very cqb so buckshot usually still oneshots through their armor

[spiral tundra]

Is it worth moving away from 5.56 into 7.62? I love the SR-16 but sometime suspects can slip away before I kill them

[charred birch]

Or sometimes it shits the bed and doesn’t register the hits, though that’s not happened to me in a long while so i think they fixed it or it was just me having a skill issue at the time

[ocean cargo]

granted obv there is exceptions

[ocean cargo]

7.62/3.08 rifles are way better than 5.56 imo. The major difference is you cant use the 7.62/3.08 in full auto because you end up staring at the ceiling

[charred birch]

Well it’ll one shot just about anything which is useful on maps with more skilled and more heavily armed enemies

[ocean cargo]

turnside is one shot to center mass drops basically every suspect in the game

[spiral tundra]

I never use full auto anyway

[charred birch]

Objectively they are better, yes you may hit a civilian through a wall but that happens once in a blue moon

[ocean cargo]

im a big big fan of the higher powered rifles you also just tend to save way more ammo so you can bring less mags and more deployables

[spiral tundra]

I only remember using full auto once, and it was to save my teammate getting blasted at CQC

[charred birch]

Though i don’t use them much honestly, also do mind the SA-28 for example has 20 rounds so use the insane stopping power to save shots

[ocean cargo]

5.56 you can actually somewhat control full auto recoil but on the 7.62/3.08 theres no chance in hell. just try them on the range and youll see what i mean

[spiral tundra]

I bring 4 mags and hardly get through one usually in my primary

[charred birch]

Yeah just try the M14 in full auto on the range lmfao

[spiral tundra]

I mean, my average shots fired per mission is like 15

With SR-16

[charred birch]

Oh in that case i think 7.62 or 3.08 is for you lol

[spiral tundra]

But that was before relapse and hide and seek..

[charred birch]

I usually bring 3-4 mags at most, sometimes even just two

[spiral tundra]

I have moved into using secondary more

I love the USP

[charred birch]

You only need 4-5 mags with SMGs really

[ocean cargo]

mmm disagree with that one

[spiral tundra]

Which

[charred birch]

Well not a need but it’d be more useful than bringing 90 5.56 mags with you 😭

[ocean cargo]

bringing only 4-5 mags for smgs. some of them its viable which have the high cap mags. But for like the 30 round smgs with high rate of fire and you just mag dump someone in half a second

[charred birch]

Since you get less stopping power but a higher RoF

[spiral tundra]

Yeah I’ve been enjoying dropping people at CQC with the .45

[ocean cargo]

im the opposite of this as well ngl. i moved away from using pistols like barely at all to the point its rare i even bring a mag

[charred birch]

I’m not too sure honestly, I’ve only needed 6 like once or twice during my 90s SWAT playthrough when I ran the MP5A2 exclusively

[charred birch]

They’re pretty situational but i always bring at least one mag, not for switching but because in some CQB scenarios i really need to use it

[spiral tundra]

But like, these hard suspects on smth else bro

On carriers of the vine I dropped a whole USP mag of AP into someone, and they only died after that. Upon further inspection it turns out I hit the head twice but it didn’t do anything..

[ocean cargo]

i cant think of the name rn, but ive been rocking with the ar looking one that basically fires like a scorpion with 0 recoil and stupidly high rof

[spiral tundra]

Oh yeah I sometimes have to wit the SR-16, gets caught easily

[charred birch]

well there’s the MPX and SPC-9

i know the SPC-9 is a fucking laser beam lmfao

[ocean cargo]

yeah that one

i knew it wasnt the mpx i couldnt think of the other name but yeah ive been loving the SPC-9 lately

[charred birch]

COV has some bullshittery AI

Cult women controlling full auto G3s better than I can control an SMG

[lofty grove]

The only map I'll never S rank is elephant

[ocean cargo]

well realistically theyve been trained by an ex cia operative

[charred birch]

Fair point

[ocean cargo]

elephant isnt bad, its just annoying with rng

[trim dirge]

SPC-9 EATS through your mags

[lofty grove]

I won't S rank it out of principle

[spiral tundra]

I did elephant hard S earlier with a team in 5 mins

[ocean cargo]

my advice is spawn at the back entrance and go in through there. 1-2 suspects have a high percentage to spawn in the very first room which gets half the suspects down instantly

[stoic thistle]

Always 1 guy out the 4 that you miss.

[ocean cargo]

my advice. Ignore the bombs just remember where they are and keep moving as fast as you can, ignore civilians

dont bother securing weaposn on downed suspects just keep fucking moving until you get all of them

[ocean cargo]

fair

[spiral tundra]

If you have a full team it’s so easy
Have one person secure bombs, then get shooters

[charred birch]

The AI is more of a liability than anything in Elephant too, their only use is restraining and securing evidence otherwise they are WAY too slow at stacking up and clearing a room

[spiral tundra]

Sadly none of my friends play the game so I tried LFG first time today, and it went really well

[charred birch]

so you gotta do the opposite of what you’ve been doing the whole game and just rush through every door you see

[ocean cargo]

yeah it is the definition of polar opposite

which ones lfg im being a dumb

[ocean cargo]

yeah its why i usually bring like 7

[spiral tundra]

But we were doing hard relapse S, and in the hallway by the second bomb by double door, one dude flanked, at the same time we were opening the door, so 4 suspects shooting as us with rifles and LMGs and we died

[charred birch]

It’s not even HARD as in the AI will snipe you or stuff ; but it’s so RNG based with a ~3 min limit before they start shooting civilians

[ocean cargo]

its total rng based yeah

[spiral tundra]

Looking for group

[vale hull]

Guys do u prefer SA58 or GA51 for Battle Rifle? And M1014 or B1301 for shotgun?

[ocean cargo]

ah im a dumb dumb

[charred birch]

And an S rank makes you lose time since with the beanbag you have to sit there and see if they’ll start shooting again once their stun animation ends or surrender, same thing with the pepperball guns

[spiral tundra]

Bro turn reply pings on I miss it 😭

[lofty grove]

I'm more of a supernova guy myself

[charred birch]

At least when you go lethal you can put a couple of bullets in them and then move on instead of waiting

[spiral tundra]

Always gon’ stick with my Remington

[ocean cargo]

m10 all the way, semi automatic shotgun is just a life saver. Battlerifle wise honestly all of them are good there isnt a major difference between the 7.62s/3.08s.

[charred birch]

I got used to using the B1301 but i’m slowly switching to the M1014 honestly

sure you get one less cartridge but it just idk, feels better i guess ?

[ocean cargo]

I tend to use the SA58 because FAL for the fucking win just feels right.

[charred birch]

I’ve been loving the MK17

[spiral tundra]

They should add DMR icl, although idk if these are ever used at closer range

[vale hull]

M1014 has faster reloads but higher recoil compares to B1301

It's good if u got pinned down by suspects

[ocean cargo]

i need variable zoom scopes before anymore dmrs or marksman rifles are added lmfao

[spiral tundra]

Like SR-25

[charred birch]

The ATAK scope is so funny because the only time you can KINDA use it is on top of Hide and Seek’s watchtower

[ocean cargo]

yeah its such a shame. it makes no sense to me that they have variable zoom scopes. . . that are at a fixed fucking zoom

like guys where is the logic

[spiral tundra]

Got to top of watch tower and an AI died to someone below..

[charred birch]

Oh yeah that tends to happen

[ocean cargo]

i would love a map where you could genuinely have actual sniper overwatch for a team

[spiral tundra]

My AI got packed up cuz in the tight container intersection area bit 3 swung out and they decided not to shoot, and I was stuck behind them so couldn’t shoot or I’d friendly fire

[charred birch]

I feel like the Dark Water DLC was a missed opportunity for that with the chopper since you could’ve had a sniper actually taking down suspects for you if you TOLD it to (for a limited amount of times to make it balanced) instead of just telling you to go East and shit

And for the S rank hunters you can just make it so the sniper will stand down as long as you don’t tell it to shoot

[ocean cargo]

agreed, and if you played with buddies maybe even giving an option for someone to be in the heli itself

[charred birch]

Also being able to cut electricity

[ocean cargo]

ugh yes

[charred birch]

It’d make NVGs a lot more useful

[vale hull]

That would be good. There was originally an M24 sniper in alpha but it was removed now

[ocean cargo]

i mean they already are useful its just that there isnt really that many maps where you have to use them. A night/day choice for missions would be nice too

[spiral tundra]

Ngl it would be cool if AI could use cams to their advantage

[ocean cargo]

the best thing about the NVGs in this game is they do actually function how NVGs work in real life meaning you dont go fucking blind by the smallest bit of light

[spiral tundra]

Both suspect and team AI (team feeding info

[charred birch]

See, i wonder what Spider would look like at night

I don’t know why i thought of this level in particular, i’m just wondering 😭

[spiral tundra]

I actually hate hard spider

Go through the door or gate and every enemy is swinging and shooting

[ocean cargo]

spider makes me angry. the urge to not fucking mag dump whats his face is ugh

[trim dirge]

george

[ocean cargo]

yeah i wanna mag dump george

[trim dirge]

what about amos

[ocean cargo]

amos gets each limb blown off by a shotgun

[spiral tundra]

If you send him to prison it’s more worth

[trim dirge]

unfortunately we can’t do that anymore

[ocean cargo]

ik ik but still man

250 TB of child porn

multiple dead children in his basement + the fact he probably easily wouldve done bad things to his daughter now that she had turned 18

[charred birch]

Pretty sure he was going to do fucked up shit to his daughter right after the birthday party

[ocean cargo]

and ive had to S tier that missions so many damn times because my friends wanted the shirts

[ocean cargo]

he definitely was yeah. the party that she didnt even want to begin with too

[spiral tundra]

If there was a HVT in hide and seek I think they’d be worse than voll by farrr like far

[ocean cargo]

if anything it would be the fucking gimp ig

[charred birch]

Well you can see a bunch of masked guys on laptops in the auction house, they even freak out and disconnect from the auction call when you stand in front of the laptops

Maybe there’s potential to do something with them in the future with a DLC or even a new game

[restive mulch]

I’m ready

[ocean cargo]

well they have to expand on the whole MLO storyline

whether or not MLO actually has anything to do with the "spider organization" is technically unknown

[spiral tundra]

Hide and seek is one of my fav missions by lore

Aswell as the FISA just being fully corrupt in it

[ocean cargo]

idk if he is truly corrupt theres no right answer imo

[spiral tundra]

Well we presume it’s the same agent we arrest for corruption in greased palms

[ocean cargo]

realistically the reason you are probably told to shut the door is so none of them leave the container before they can be interrogated

[restive mulch]

who is literally wanted BY fisa?

[stoic thistle]

I wonder what role they have in the USIA's plot.

[ocean cargo]

no hes arrested by this point chronologically

[charred birch]

I mean looking at it rationally it DOES make more sense to leave the women inside until the area’s safe and they can be brought to safety ; but the game emphasizes how shady the FISA guy sounds like, a lot…

[restive mulch]

there’s 2 completely different fisa agents you’re talking about

[charred birch]

Like this moment seems to be basically screaming at your face that FISA’s corrupt even though you can find rational explanations

[charred birch]

No he’s arrested already, the missions aren’t in chronological order

[ocean cargo]

yes its most likely a combination of them not leaving because they need to be interrogated

what is most likely implied by his shadiness is that the FISA definitely knew the spider organization existed/knew their operations out of the port to some degree

[restive mulch]

there’s Adams who we arrest in greased palms for weapons trafficking and the other one in hide and seek

[charred birch]

Yeah i’m on about the hide and seek one

[restive mulch]

we were sent to arrest adams BY fisa which makes no sense if you think fisa is corrupt

you are all USIA propagandists smh

[ocean cargo]

well by nature FISA is corrupt if they have high skill agent(s) willing to run guns for the cartels

[restive mulch]

it’s one dude

[ocean cargo]

only one dude that we know of

[spiral tundra]

Yeah could’ve just told us to close it, and then denied reasoning

[restive mulch]

and fisa had him arrested

[stoic thistle]

Realistically, FISA and the USIA would work together to control America.

[restive mulch]

the fbi and the cia…? working together? funny guy

[ocean cargo]

FISA only had him arrested after two regular detectives went to talk to him and than they got shot

so yes FISA was in charge of the operation but only because the LSPD found out about it

[restive mulch]

yes so im still right thanks

[charred birch]

Well more precisely FISA wasn’t the one who told D platoon to arrest him, they just told the LSPD not to kill him

[spiral tundra]

Apparently there’s speculation that they use the container and women to bait larger suspects

[ocean cargo]

no because FISA did not order an actual arrest they just want him. We DO NOT KNOW what happens to him at all after he is arrested

[charred birch]

And it’s a little shady for them to need a gun trafficker alive and well

[restive mulch]

makes no sense again ive disproved this like 50000 times

[spiral tundra]

What do they say if you don’t close the doors

[restive mulch]

it makes no sense for d platoon to raid the trafficking facility to catch a bunch of goons if they were trying to find the big people

[stoic thistle]

Can't they track the IP address of the guys on the laptops?

Unless they used a VPN.

[restive mulch]

you have to close the doors or the mission doesn’t end

[spiral tundra]

They’re not that dumb

[spiral tundra]

Can’t you just fail objective

[ocean cargo]

nothing, you wont be able to finish the mission

[restive mulch]

you can’t fail soft objectives

[spiral tundra]

Ah well

[ocean cargo]

no you actually have to close the doors

[spiral tundra]

It’s still shady as with that container and FISA

[ocean cargo]

its the only soft locked obj in the game iirc

[restive mulch]

witerally talking to a brick wall

[spiral tundra]

Who me?

[restive mulch]

allegedly

[ocean cargo]

the only issue with this theory is you arrest or kill everyone there. So no one from the traffickers are going to come pick up the girls since well theyre dead

the port and area would be surronded by police at that point with no ships or containers allowed to leave that dock

[restive mulch]

you’re in 7fuss?

[ocean cargo]

so it does not make any sense at all for them to try and track where the woman would go because they arent leaving the container

[ocean cargo]

yeah reserves long since retired i was a founding member. as much as i love leading my skirms life just got too busy to consistently attend events

[lavish frigate]

Epic owning RoN kinda ruins it

I hate Epic and their game systems

[ocean cargo]

i think my most favorite missions lore wise are probably COV or lethal obsession. They are technically the most important lore wise in terms of things you learn which directly impact most of the story/you yourself

[spiral tundra]

Also the game clearly implies something bad

The subtitles literally appear in red

[lavish frigate]

Oh yeah I'm going to get the game soon when my console arrives, any tips?

[ocean cargo]

take missions slow, dont run around like a maniac and manage your recoil

[restive mulch]

kill the civilians first

[lavish frigate]

Do I look Israeli to you m8?

[ocean cargo]

dont feel bad about not arresting high value suspects on your first try. all HVTs have a unique look so try to memorize what they look like for future runs

[restive mulch]

it adds to the realism

[lavish frigate]

Alright

[spiral tundra]

Don’t use full auto, like ever. Also use rifles mostly, with decent stopping power. SA-58 and guns with 7.62 are most powerful. Stingers are stronger than flash and cover a wider area.

[charred birch]

Speaking of which I wish the AI was programmed to only incap and not KILL HVTs, at least on standard difficulty because sometimes i just need to throw a flash/stinger and then they no scope them 💔

[spiral tundra]

How do you even incap on purpose

[lavish frigate]

How good are the controls on a controller?

[spiral tundra]

I play Xbox, they’re fairly simple

[restive mulch]

you control the buttons you press

[spiral tundra]

Ofc, not as quick as PC but

[charred birch]

Well aiming for the limbs I guess..

Which is harder said than done i mostly do it accidentally

[wind phoenix]

What officer traits stack?

[spiral tundra]

Oof
I always aim chest, like a real officer would

[wraith pawn]

How do i do neon tomb on ironman mode? With all the bombers and whatnot

[spiral tundra]

Sting everything

[charred birch]

Yeah real law enforcement isn’t going to aim at your left buttcheek to incapacitate you, they’ll just shoot to make sure you’re not a threat and typically that’s the chest/centre mass

[pallid root]

Best loadout for non lethal play thru?

[jolly verge]

Check this for traits info https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Znj4rCaM8g6QREFNWwHRBFSdnfdzYM37Y5AeHQ10rtg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[spiral tundra]

Also they gotta make it so you have to aim offset with nogs down
Irl you can’t align the sight to your eyes with nogs in the way

[restive mulch]

beanbag

[restive mulch]

you can’t but I can do that just fine pal

[spiral tundra]

Beanbag with Glock incase it goes south
Carry flashes as stings can rarely kill

I didn’t know stings could kill until today someone told me

[ocean cargo]

I thought they were ngl. I’ve never had an ai drop a HVT at least in my experience

[hollow badge]

Is the bug that when the enemy don't care if you shoot them still happening?

[charred birch]

It tends to happen to me a lot especially with Quadamah

[spiral tundra]

Yeah, I emptied a whole mag of .45 into someone earlier

[ocean cargo]

I don’t mean to be that guy Hayden but were you actually hitting them lmao

[hollow badge]

Rip, gonna wait until next patch I guess

[ocean cargo]

I can’t say I’ve had too many issues with suspects when I’m on lethal runs. S tiers have been slightly annoying lately though

[charred birch]

I dumped an MP5 mag into a methhead at point blank, he didn’t care and stabbed me to death so I’d say it’s still happening, yes

[ocean cargo]

Yikes

Guess I’ve just been lucky lately

[digital oriole]

Go shot by like 3-4 dudes at the postal service around back clearing it just to clear the entire building, clear the last side and end up getting one tapped through a window I can’t see shit through

I felt like 50 cent

[pallid root]

Bean bag can kill if aimed at the head

[wind phoenix]

Sweet thank you. I was thinking I should try 2 intimidators and a negotiator but looking at this I think it’ll be better to do 2 negotiators and an intimidator

[ocean cargo]

Ik exactly what window you’re talking about because the same thing happened to my and two of my buddies 😭

[spiral tundra]

Dude I was playing hard twisted nerve earlier, actually a horror game bro

One guy with a knife charged past me while cuffing and almost killed a teammate (multiplayer), then another time we see them dashing across the bridge thing

[spiral tundra]

AI won’t hit head generally and it’s harder to hit for you

[charred birch]

I love Twisted Nerve even though it’s fucking terrifying

[digital oriole]

Play it with zombies 🔥

[pallid root]

A lethal obsession is 30x worse

[spiral tundra]

Nah it’s just 3 dudes

[charred birch]

They can and although it’s rare ; the last thing you want is for them to no scope the last suspect in Relapse and make you lose the S rank

But then the pepperball guns do jackshit sometimes

[trim dirge]

Hide and Seek is probably the most un-fun mission in the entire game

[wind phoenix]

One of my favorite atmosphere for a map

[spiral tundra]

I’m more worried about them no scoping their friendly in a stack

[charred birch]

So eh, the beanbag might be more viable

[pallid root]

Nah it’s greased palms

[trim dirge]

Forgot about that one

[ocean cargo]

Disagree it’s greased palms

[spiral tundra]

It feels like something swat would actually handle unlike some of the later missions

[ocean cargo]

My problem with greased palmes is the ai wall hacks and you just can barely do shit at least the other maps are just more hard cause of other reasons not inability to see people

[charred birch]

That and the fact that there’re five men taking on dozens of terrorists in a hospital

[spiral tundra]

Real swat team would pack up greased palms cuz they have better gun knowledge and use than suspects

[spiral tundra]

And swat doing a federal, multi national raid

(Hide and seek)

[charred birch]

Well to be honest it’s a joint operation

[pallid root]

What dlc would yall like to see

[charred birch]

HRT for example is taking another area of the port at the same time as D platoon secures the map we know

[spiral tundra]

I think swat would probably handle the least risk one

[wind phoenix]

I liked Hide and Seek. Had fun with it. Haven’t tried to S rank it though so there is that

[spiral tundra]

Or one with least suspicion

[trim dirge]

Ends of the Earth

[spiral tundra]

Talking about hide and seek terminals..

[charred birch]

I know it’s the most cliche scenario but i would love to see a bank robbery that went to shit map

[trim dirge]

oh

[wind phoenix]

Agree!!!

[spiral tundra]

Adding on to hide and seek lore

The lore is kinda vague rn

[charred birch]

Also they could have more active shooter maps in a mall or even an airport

These are very popular recommendations though i’m trying to think of something somewhat original 😭

[ocean cargo]

Need more spider organization lore and more lore on judge/the MLO

[wraith pawn]

Bank robbery would be dope

[narrow zenith]

So I’m not tuned in on the lore. What’s the deal with the military guys on 3 letter triad?

[spiral tundra]

Are VOID planning on adding onto lore in any way?

[ocean cargo]

Considering the dlc maps did yeah

[charred birch]

Most probably, they’ll definitely elaborate on the MLO

[trim dirge]

A prison breakout where you have to apprehend the rogue prisoners and detain the civiliians and maybe even the other officers

[charred birch]

I’ve seen people asking for that, it could be dope

[spiral tundra]

I hope they provide more insight into hide and seek and the FISA situation

Even adding missions relating to after hide and seek would be cool

[charred birch]

I feel like they’ll focus on Judge and the MLO a little more because they won’t want to overuse the human and child trafficking ring too much

[spiral tundra]

Judge yeah

Bros just like completely out of it

[charred birch]

But yeah adding onto FISA and what we found in Hide and Seek would be awesome

[charred birch]

A lethal obsession and Carriers of the Vine are VERY important lore wise when it comes to Judge

[trim dirge]

what if we raided FISA for corruption or something similar

that could be cool

[spiral tundra]

And then that’s how we find out what happened to the container

[digital oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1408222304114049024

[tulip rampart]

I DID IT I S RANKED GREASED PALMS

[ocean cargo]

They’re the most important easily it’s why they’re my favorite

[spiral tundra]

The reason I so strongly believe this container wasn’t handled properly is cuz

1. The text clearly implies something bad or off, literally appears in red.
2. Tone of the agent

[ocean cargo]

They’ll add to hide and seek because it’s the spider organization they’ll come back

[tulip rampart]

CLOSE THE DOORS

[raw pulsar]

is carriers of the vine mission glitched or is that just me?

[spiral tundra]

Even if it’s subtle, like it appears in Canada they uncovered something and it appears in a newspaper cover in the station

[tulip rampart]

what's happening?

[raw pulsar]

the last npc isnt there or the evidence is under the map

[tulip rampart]

hmm idk

#1050535723087958156

[charred birch]

How about sort of a cocaine factory level like that one Robocop scene

[charred birch]

Well can you soft complete it or is the objective to rescue all civilians not completed ?

[raw pulsar]

im tryna do S

[charred birch]

Ah yikes

[raw pulsar]

yeah and its just bring order to chaos thats messing everything up

[spiral tundra]

Or a protest that got out of hand, and escalated to shooting on officers

And you have to chase the suspects through alleys until they enter a building and barricade with others

[ocean cargo]

Bank robbery and prison riot imo are two missions that would make the most sense if they werent trying to connect anything lore wise

[charred birch]

The Left Behind veterans again ?

[spiral tundra]

Yeah

[charred birch]

That could be nice

[trim dirge]

What if the left behind fought the hand in the game and we had to stop it

[ocean cargo]

the hand is wiped out is the problem

chronologically the hand is entirely destroyed by the third mission

[trim dirge]

oh nevermind

[charred birch]

Yeah because chronologically relapse is the third mission

[ocean cargo]

yep Neon tomb and Relapse are 2 and 3 on the timeline

which was fucking crazy to learn about lmao

[charred birch]

makes sense why they didn’t give us the maps in chronological order because imagine being a new player thinking "wow this gas station mission was easy, i thought this was meant to be hard !" and then the game just throws Neon Tomb at you

[ocean cargo]

it would be an absolute brutal entry

[digital oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1408224679616839831

A true active shooter situation would be hella baller

[ocean cargo]

i mean its the elephant

[digital oriole]

Never played any map past the Mail postal warehouse

[spiral tundra]

After relapse (I know not chronological) they have like 20 left

[digital oriole]

So I wouldn’t know personally but an actual active shooter situation would be fun as shit

[ocean cargo]

The elephant is active school shooter quite literally already exists in the game lmao

[digital oriole]

Oh I thought they removed the school

[ocean cargo]

nope

[digital oriole]

Do the ai go around hunting the civilians?

[charred birch]

It’d be nice if for example they added a mall shooting mission where the NPCs are actually in a panic and the suspects are actively roaming and looking for them : to not make the mission a living nightmare you could replace the "Rescue all civilians" by a "Rescue X number of civilians"

[ocean cargo]

yep

[digital oriole]

Baller

[ocean cargo]

throwback to when you used to be able to chose a scenario for the map

[charred birch]

Yeah now it’s all barricaded suspects basically

With elephant being an active shooter situation/bomb threat

[digital oriole]

Gets boring do the same type different map

Same sandwich new bread type shit

[ocean cargo]

i dont understand why neon tomb isnt one or relapse for that matter

[charred birch]

I wish the AI at least had some more variety to it because why are Twisted Nerve’s methheads the only one to ACTUALLY stand out in terms of behavior, and also Dorms’ suspects

[ocean cargo]

you literally respond to active shootings but than the terrorists just gave up halfway through

[spiral tundra]

I’m fairly sure they stopped hunting in relapse and set up defenses once they saw swat

[ocean cargo]

okay thats fair i suppose

[charred birch]

Because apart from the skill level they are set to i see barely any difference in behavior between gang members and veterans

[digital oriole]

Ye like all the ai apart for meth heads just do the same old wander and shit

[ocean cargo]

they do really need to change ai accuracy fr

[spiral tundra]

FR BRO
IVE said this about 50 times but ive been headshot by pistols from across whole dance floor and hallway to dance floor by AI on standard neon

[charred birch]

I’m all for veterans flanking you and having mad accuracy but like, in Ends of the Earth for example excluding Diego and the couple of Los Locos members you find, the Tran brothers SELL weapons, as far as i know they don’t have USMC training

It’s not a hard map by any means but they don’t seem to be THAT much less accurate than the other NPCs

[spiral tundra]

Idk I never give them a chance to shoot

[digital oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1408226385398468720

[charred birch]

That shit got a laugh out of me

[digital oriole]

I usually just shoot the first dude I see with a gun

[spiral tundra]

The youngest one is the one I struggle most with, for this reason they say he’s the easiest to give up but this guy runs around all the map while shooting

Dude once ate 3 beanbags

[ocean cargo]

ends of the earth is one of the only maps where now i only like to S tier

[pine canyon]

Increase accuracy for AI

[digital oriole]

Bruh

[spiral tundra]

WHAT

They’re deadpool already bro

[digital oriole]

Full lethal gang rise up

[charred birch]

I remember the first time I did it, I thought "oh no that’s sad i’m going non lethal", and I brought CS gas forgetting that the mother had stage 4 IV lung cancer

[spiral tundra]

I’ve never used gas, not worth the anti flash

[pine canyon]

The only god damn thing the devs should worry about is adding more drinks

[ocean cargo]

honestly fucking hilarious

[charred birch]

Gas used to be insanely good and now it has a smaller radius than flashes it seems

[ocean cargo]

bring back coffee fr

[spiral tundra]

Especially with AI flashing

[digital oriole]

Need to add a sperm bank map and model donor jars

[pine canyon]

I want monster energy

[charred birch]

I was pissing myself laughing when i realized

[charred birch]

USIA breeding farm ???

[ocean cargo]

yeah i just dont feel right dropping the kids. theyre pushed to the brink and are trying to save their mother

[digital oriole]

Infinite sperm for infinite red bulls

[ocean cargo]

one of the slightly morally gray missions in the game

[spiral tundra]

Idk man little brother ain’t getting no mercy when he’s just diced Officer Carter

Officer Carter just unlocked his trait bro

[charred birch]

I feel right dropping the Los Locos and Diego (the one with a hood on), definitely not the sons though

[spiral tundra]

He’s getting dropped on SIGHT

[tribal storm]

I’ve been told the mk v is good for the sleeper agent achievement. Is it really? Cause I’ve also been told to not kill them in one shot so I’m a little confused. I’m doing this on Xbox and my friend is on pc.

[spiral tundra]

Idk man I wouldn’t recommend a 50 cal for arrest

Just saying

[charred birch]

What this game does so well is that it somehow makes you feel some kind of sympathy towards nearly all factions, even if it’s only a little

[digital oriole]

Ngl raiding the dudes tryna provide for their family then hearing one of the brothers plead for them to let him go and help their family and to spare them is heavy

[charred birch]

Like, the left behind went too far in Ides of March already shooting up innocent people but i genuinely felt for them

[ocean cargo]

eh honestly idk. the only two i genuinely feel guilty for are COV and Ends. I originally felt bad for the vets but they just escalate way too far and kill/hurt way too many innocent people

[spiral tundra]

I kinda feel bad for the hand (the ones who ain’t strapping bombs to civs)

[ocean cargo]

theres two hands?

[spiral tundra]

No the one in neon and relapse

[digital oriole]

There’s three

[ocean cargo]

theyre the same one

[spiral tundra]

Ik

[ocean cargo]

they just graduated to strapping c4 on a building instead of a person lmfao

like not any better XD

[spiral tundra]

But they’re doing it in retaliation to the bombing of innocent village

[digital oriole]

If I could send videos I’d send a video of this guy strapping a C4 to a guy and killing 5 cops with it on 5m

[tribal storm]

I’m trying to go lethal and not arrest them is the thing.

[ocean cargo]

so hundreds of innocents need to be punished? naw fam. Im dropping more bombs on more villages as payback time

[charred birch]

I mean even the guards in sinuous trail i can feel KIND OF bad for because although they definitely know mindjot is doing shady shit, they genuinely need the job since LS’ job market is awful. Yes i did come back on the map once i realized what it was all about with an M1014 blasting every guard i saw but i can feel a very little bit of empathy for them somehow

[spiral tundra]

Oh
The MkV recoil is still mad

If you wanna drop instantly just go magnum

[charred birch]

You know they are going WAY too far and are involved in revolting stuff and yet you can feel bad, it’s something i love really

[digital oriole]

Why not just use a 35carat gold degal?

[ocean cargo]

yeah the mindjot security was alao hired last second too after the one guy was kidnapped (persumably by COV)

[spiral tundra]

Why COV

[digital oriole]

Tbh I want them to add more historical themed missions to the game like the Iranian embassy 1980 UK

[ocean cargo]

ah thats a bad word okay

[charred birch]

After spending some time wandering around Neon Tomb’s map i realized the COV group’s logo is painted on a wall outside and you can find a little poster with a guy called "Big dih Rick" in some room, you see that one guy in COV in a certain room too

[stoic thistle]

American Sovereign militia siezes the Qatari consulate in Los Suenos.

[charred birch]

so they are actually involved quite a lot

[digital oriole]

that really goofy news station sound

[ocean cargo]

yeah he was the bouncer iirc

im pretty sure the guy who was kidnapped from mindjot is also on COV board

[tribal storm]

oh ok. cause I’m doing it with a friend and we could’ve sworn we should’ve gotten it so I’m just a bit confused on what else to do or change

[charred birch]

I think so yeah, but then it was men dressed as police who kidnapped him so i wonder how he could’ve ended up in Raskin’s hands

[ocean cargo]

any of the "male dissappearences" can usually be contributed to COV as some sort of abuser/grape bad man

[charred birch]

Though it’s not mentioned whether it’s men or not, for all you know it could’ve been women dressing up as police

Which would explain the guy appearing on their board

[spiral tundra]

I love elephant tho
Amazing immersion, detail

[ocean cargo]

tis the only map that has no music for it for that reason

its very very well done for the most part

[charred birch]

I’m surprised it even made it into the game honestly

Considered the controversy around it

[ocean cargo]

i wasnt shocked the mission stayed. I was shocked they kept it the same name

[spiral tundra]

Although I think they could add more civs to it

[ocean cargo]

i wouldve liked more random shots around the map

[spiral tundra]

Or just hearing the shooters frustration / kicking doors in

[ocean cargo]

yeah agreed otherwise its fantastic

although ngl my favorite "immersion" in the game is turning off the dj music on neon tomb. that shit fucking HURTS

[charred birch]

YES IT DOES.

[spiral tundra]

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve exploded due to not being able to hear a bombers footsteps around the corner over music

[ocean cargo]

it took me ages to even realize you could turn off the music

[charred birch]

Honestly i found out when i was messing around and wanted to pretend i was a dj 💔

"Oh what’s that i can turn it off ? Oh. Oh wow."

[spiral tundra]

What’s even the point of turning on tapes around maps
Also can suspects hear that

[charred birch]

Learning about lore and no they can’t hear it

[ocean cargo]

suspects cant hear it no, the tapes are all lore yeah

[charred birch]

Like in lethal obsession where they’re extremely important to lore

[ocean cargo]

a lot of important information/tid bits are hidden in the tapes/radios

[charred birch]

They give you info about Judge too

[spiral tundra]

Is there any on hide and seek
(Yes I’m so invested on this missions lore for no reason)

[ocean cargo]

i dont think there technically is

[charred birch]

There is in the auction house i think ?

But does it count as a tape ?

Well there’s an audio thing any way

[spiral tundra]

I love how on auction room the callers will disconnect after seeing swat on camera

[ocean cargo]

i once got jump scared by a second gimp dude had totally caught me off guard

also i forgot on the original versions of HnS there used to be 2 HVTs

[spiral tundra]

Who

Ik one female buyer?

[ocean cargo]

female buyer and than there was a guy who had like a random blue ass jacket

[buoyant pecan]

Lore

[buoyant pecan]

There is?

[spiral tundra]

Twisted nerve : London simulator

[buoyant pecan]

Brixley Talent Time/The Spider has some of the best hidden lore in tapes and stuff

It’s heavily implied George was abused before he became an abuser

[ocean cargo]

ah boo hoo cry me a river

[buoyant pecan]

Yeah it doesn’t excuse shit

[ocean cargo]

hes getting mag dumped

[buoyant pecan]

But it is cool to have more backstory
And it’s a very sad but often true thing

[ocean cargo]

yeah

[charred birch]

Pretty sure there is, i’ll have to check since these meds are actually making me forget stuff or just warp memories weirdly 💔

[buoyant pecan]

Dylon Parker is a bit more sympathetic version of that but still an asshole lol

[ocean cargo]

my other issue with him is that he even hates kids tho

[buoyant pecan]

He became a criminal because his friends were in gangs and he grew up seeing a lot of police brutality and racism from cops towards friends of his
Doesn’t excuse him torturing and shooting people or abusing women, but I like how fleshed out of a character Dylon is

[buoyant pecan]

Yea
He’s a scumbag

[spiral tundra]

Nah bro when I’m thinking of non lethal ing a suspect and then the guy be yelling “what you gonna do cabron!” “I’m not scared of you cabron!” So you lowkey just put a 7.62 in their head

[buoyant pecan]

I love Shayne’s channel but I feel like he didn’t dive deep enough into Stolen Valor in his video

[charred birch]

Ok TOC, delete the bodycam footage

[desert island]

TOC turn off my bodycam, im about to protect and serve just this once

[spiral tundra]

TOC, drinks on me tonight

[buoyant pecan]

Me when they say “YOU drop YOUR gun” is like Dutch in Red Dead 2 at Braithwaite Manor

“Well, if you ain’t gonna be civilized about this…”

[ocean cargo]

the urge to not pop a civilian when they go "im not listening to you"

[spiral tundra]

“I don’t listen to pigs!” Do you listen to this .45?

[buoyant pecan]

I think the funniest is when they say “bro let me help you! I can help!” No Kyle, you can’t

[ocean cargo]

go go gagdet 7.62 to the head

[spiral tundra]

“Just take these off and I walk out”

[charred birch]

I remember when i walked around the Relapse map for 20 mins looking for the last civilian then they started talking about some "i swore an oath!" and since i was infuriated already i dumped an SA-58 mag into him

[spiral tundra]

Like WHO are you fooling

[ocean cargo]

i wish sending civis to the truck was more reliable

[spiral tundra]

Tried doing this on elephant earlier and bro ran into the shooter..

[charred birch]

"Loosen these a bit ? I’ll show you I’m sorry~" Shut up

[buoyant pecan]

Like Neon Tomb you’ll have security guards asking to help you like, no bro, I’m not letting a dude with a t-shirt and maybe a pistol walk into a dozen psychos with LMGs

[ocean cargo]

the civilians who fucking reach and whip out their phone are fucking infuriating lol

[spiral tundra]

“Take these off and we’ll have a real fight” we just had a real fight, beanbag to AK from 20 metres away bro

[charred birch]

I audibly shouted "SHE’S REACHING" and fired the first time i saw it 💔

[ocean cargo]

ah yes let me just makes this dramatic really fast reach for the back of my waist and than bring my arm up pointing it at the man who has an AR at my dome 3 meters away

[buoyant pecan]

It’s hilarious when the guys on Valley say “I got nothing against you guys. Just know that.” After they just tried to turn me into Swiss cheese with a UMP

[spiral tundra]

I’ve never screamed in a higher pitch than turning a corner to see a bomber best

Vest

[charred birch]

"I get it. You have a job to do" after you tried to stab me to death, yeah sure you get it

[spiral tundra]

“Look man I didn’t mean it” yep you didn’t mean the 10 bullets you just put in my leg

[buoyant pecan]

That shit can be terrifying
One time that guy was the last one left
And hiding in a corner enemies rarely ever go to
And I had the rave DJ music turned off so it was already like a horror game just trying to find the fucker
Then I turn a corner and “YOU DIE WITH ME!!!”

[ocean cargo]

i hate those security fucks. Theres no way they didnt know what amos was doing

[charred birch]

They knew, some outright state it by implying it’s a "fucked up situation" and to talk to him

[buoyant pecan]

Some of them even say “money…or the right thing?” Like bro you know it’s wrong and you’re still helping

[charred birch]

You can NOT tell me they didn’t see like, dozens of kids getting dragged into a basement and mysteriously never coming out

[ocean cargo]

not to mention the two you arrest at brixleys

[spiral tundra]

I’ve already got ptsd from relapse and neon

Hand be doing anything to make my life a PAIN

[ocean cargo]

i have more ptsd from ides/other hotel one im drawing a blank on, from the god damn trip wires

[charred birch]

It’s a moment that’s barely talked about but i remember the first time i stepped into that one room in Buy Cheap Buy Twice, you know the one with the undercover guy who got his cover blown you’re supposed to rescue

[spiral tundra]

I still check for tripwires on relapse.. and every map..

[charred birch]

I was GENUINELY shocked and yet it wasn’t even that bad compared to a lot of other stuff in the game, i think the fact that i didn’t expect it was what got me honestly

[cold anchor]

ik this was forever ago but, you just need to have played SWAT 4 to use them well

[spiral tundra]

First mission that shocked me was hide and seek

[charred birch]

I find it hilarious that chronologically the said agent already gets his cover blown in Narcos but then they send the SAME guy to the same gang that found out who he really was

[spiral tundra]

Well the LSPD isn’t in the greatest state

[charred birch]

Underfunded yet dumping P90 mags and carrying GPNVGs just about everywhere 😭

[ocean cargo]

well the whole city/country isnt it would seem XD

[charred birch]

Though you could argue that it’s personal equipment from the officers themselves since it’s not uncommon in law enforcement

[ocean cargo]

love the world building of the city getting dirtier and dirtier as the story goes on because of the sanitation strikes

[spiral tundra]

I mean like seeing the stuff d platoon is doin I’d just give em everything

[charred birch]

Hell the game shows how a fucked up society creates fucked up people who cause fucked up situations 💔

[charred birch]

Hell i think i’d give them frag grenades

[spiral tundra]

actually might need them with this ai

[charred birch]

And maybe airstrikes…

[spiral tundra]

Just give us frags limited to greased palms

[ocean cargo]

"You told me to clear the room, so I opted to remove the room"

[spiral tundra]

Won’t ever complain about this map again

[charred birch]

I genuinely love Greased Palms’ setting it’s a shame it suffers from AI sniping you through microscopic cracks 50 meters away

[spiral tundra]

And the fisa agent seems to consistently one tap..

[charred birch]

"Shoot me cabron !" Okay !

[spiral tundra]

Idk how people clear maps other than ides or smth with just shield
You get blind after like 2 enemies and you can’t aim

Like in mindjot I had shield and one enemy cracked the whole visor

[ocean cargo]

god i am so confused by this bot

I hate how the fisa agent just runs away like he isnt that good of a shot but he runs to cartel members and hides amongst them like a lil coward

even when you like gas or flash him dude just hauls it out of there

[charred birch]

I hate when he decides to take someone hostage and i’m out of throwables to stun him and make him let go of the hostage

[ocean cargo]

omfg i was playing it the other day, dude took a hostage, i tossed a gas grenade at their feet as we were in a standoff. DUDE THAN FUCKING BLEW THE HOSTAGES HEAD OFF

I WAS LIKE W T F

[spiral tundra]

Dude I went upstairs on greased palms and were tryna do objectives on hard, we flash and it doenst hit the dude on the left with a hostage (final dude), we enter and he shoots the hostage

[cold anchor]

Me after putting 4 pepperballs into the hostage torso expecting to get them both...

[ocean cargo]

its fine now depending on the map.

i was just so shocked he actually shot a civi. Ive done the map like idk 20-30 times probably and i had never seen him shoot a civi\

[charred birch]

It’s better than when the console update released but it still seems worse than it used to be

[ocean cargo]

so i think they actually made certain AI have proper resistance to it now

[spiral tundra]

Tried again after this, went upstairs and some dude ate 5 5.56 rounds to the chest and I just gave up

[cold anchor]

"Element, can you see the air in here?"
"No sir"
"Fix that, element"

[charred birch]

I mean i don’t mind these wearing gas masks being resistant, but hell i’ve experienced the gas station suspects just ignoring it

[cold anchor]

The amount of headshots makes the ballistic mask mandatory for me

[ocean cargo]

well ik they fixed it so the veterans no matter what all have gas resistance

[spiral tundra]

Funny how so many dudes in various missions have gas masks but they’re purely cosmetic

[cold anchor]

Yeah those are fucking annoying, they are the sole reason i take 308 or 10mm for that with a 5.7 to back it up

Also, if you dont change the filter a gasmask is eventually useless

[charred birch]

They could’ve made A Lethal Obsession a little bit harder by making it so staying too long in the basement without a gas mask on would give you the same effect as being within CS gas’ AOE since well the ricin

[spiral tundra]

The dude down there
His gas mask is cosmetic

[charred birch]

The suspects wear gas masks for that particular reason

[spiral tundra]

If you hit him with gas he still can’t do anything

[cold anchor]

Ricin needs a particulate filter

CS needs a charcoal filter

[spiral tundra]

Ah alr

[cold anchor]

Or a biological filter but either way

CS needs a gas filter usually carbon

[spiral tundra]

Would anyone like to see any new guns

[worthy harbor]

Any tips how to safely beanbag a suspect with a hostage without killing either of them

[wraith pawn]

I still get the watch if one of my officers is incapacitated, but I had a paramedic so I didn’t lose them, right?

[spiral tundra]

Flash

anyway ima go it’s 1am

[digital oriole]

Game froze mid situation in multiplayer

[blissful oak]

Is the big shell specialist achievement bugged or just picky? My friend and I have tried what we can, and we still can't get it to pop. If you got it, what did you do?

[languid dagger]

So what's the rules for ai bots during the load out challenges?

[wraith pawn]

No shields

[languid dagger]

And they can use whatever they like?

Even if it's against the load out rules?

Just no shields...?

[placid hemlock]

why do my nps like not shoot their pepperguns at all

[pine canyon]

Yes shields

What map

Depends on map

[languid dagger]

Any of them

[pine canyon]

Imo it depends on map, and goals. S run, hard mode, iron man mode

[faint anvil]

The SWAT AI is just completely broken. They're about as reliable as mcdonalds ice cream machine

[placid hemlock]

ah yes i threw a flashbang in relapse and two hostiles died

i love getting a+'s when im going for S

[buoyant pecan]

I have a few ideas

• classic M16 (with the top rail thing and the non tacticool stock)
• PM-63 machine pistol
• Dan Wesson DWX pistol
• TTI Pit Viper
• G36 with the top rail thing
• Taurus Raging Bull revolver
• Keltec KSG
• FX-05 Xiuhcoatl rifle
• F2000 rifle
• rapid fire pepperball rifle
• Glock 26
• FAMAS
• Kimber 1911 Raptor
• Kimber 1911 Rapide
• CZ75 machine pistol
• Tec-9

[proven venture]

Does anyone wanna play

[buoyant pecan]

Just now finding out supporter edition had an exclusive weapon too
Damn

[crude prism]

(the MK1 is dogshit, you're not missing anything)

[fading anvil]

I'm sure I won't be the first to ask but is there plans to add patrol officer uniforms?

[rustic jackal]

nah I don’t think so, I went in blind and I’m able to utilize them very well, slicing doors, using cover command etc, sometimes they just suck 😭

[plucky tapir]

does the friendly fire via flashbang ruin your S rank runs

[faint anvil]

Yes

[plucky tapir]

bruh

[faint anvil]

But the swat AI can flash you without getting friendly fire, only you can get penalized for flashing them. Its dumb.

[plucky tapir]

so i have to give them the flash launcher for clearing rooms?

[faint anvil]

Yeah you should take beanbag shotty and make the whole squad take flash launchers

[ocean cargo]

Try gas grenade if you have them

[silent cipher]

does anyone have advice for the rust belt achievement? the directions arent clear and the team mates refuse to clear rooms

[ocean cargo]

Which one? The revolver one?

[silent cipher]

everyone has a 357, no util, no nvgs no attachments

the ai refuse to clear a room

[ocean cargo]

Idk not sure. Honestly I heard you can’t even use the AI anyways idk if it’s true though

Like Ie the achievement won’t work

[silent cipher]

but you cant open doors otherwise

i got toxic fumes using the ai to open doors and make arrests

[ocean cargo]

In rust belt?

[silent cipher]

correct

[ocean cargo]

You can open any door no problem not sure why you’re taking what sounds like gas damage

[silent cipher]

you can open yourself i guess but all guides suggested using the ai to open doors and make arrests

[ocean cargo]

Don’t make arrests

Idk the guides I heard said to just keep ai in spawn

You’re using a 357 just dome them and move on

Idk GL bud it’s an annoying achievement to get because instruction not clear

[silent cipher]

not on console but this video has the ai doing arrests, https://youtu.be/rxaSpRVvcw0

[ocean cargo]

I wouldn’t honestly even try going for it. The achievement itself is bugged and inconsistent

[silent cipher]

Im an achievement hunter unfortunately

[dire horizon]

The ai can use whatever you want except the shield for the achievement

Also you can open doors, just can't lockpick them, kicking them open works

[silent cipher]

can i use manual commands like open and clear?

it worked fine with toxic fumes

[dire horizon]

Yup

Swat ai is your wildcard they can do anything but use shield or have shield equipped

[silent cipher]

no shield everyone has revolvers

[dire horizon]

They don't need to have the revolver, only you do

[wraith gale]

Ready or Not x Kpop Demon Hunters when

[toxic harness]

@silent cipher For "Way Out West"

• Only use .357. Never use any tactical, hell not even allowed to lockpick doors with your Multitool, or have shield to protect your back
• Use all slots for .357 AP Ammo as some suspects will have armor
• If on Quick Play, just have ai do all of the work as you hug the .357 like a baby, but if on Multiplayer Single Player, go John Marston on the Los Locos
• Just do it on Standard, unless you want to deal with door traps on Hard mode and want to be a masochist (don't look at me)

[chilly thorn]

Full Length G36 would be a nice addition

[silent cipher]

I just got it

[chilly thorn]

I want to see a spas 12

[silent cipher]

You can use AI, I used nothing but the revolver, can confirm attachments are fine. No nvg, no shields etc.

[restive mulch]

this town ain’t big enough for the two of us

[abstract laurel]

Best pistol?

[gentle python]

hey me and my friend need help. my friend is on xbox and I'm on PC and for some reason we can't invite eachother to a friends only multiplayer lobby (we both have crossplay enabled and no mods)

[restive mulch]

revolver

[abstract laurel]

No

[gentle python]

we added eachother on epic

[restive mulch]

sybau

[abstract laurel]

ok

What pistol has the biggest mag?

[restive mulch]

revolver

[abstract laurel]

sybau

[restive mulch]

ok

[silent cipher]

Go for the mk-v

[wraith gale]

boooo

[silent cipher]

its 50ae. can 1-2 shot with jhp and i still managed to arrest a hvt shooting in the leg

[restive mulch]

raider p320 has the highest max capacity for any pistol

watch out it has a history of misfires though

[midnight lotus]

oh im not missing the shots

i really just hate civiilians and i will murder them

[chilly thorn]

G19 Hollow Points to the leg, It always kills you just gotta wait a bit.

Specifically the upper left thigh

[finite thistle]

"guns dont kill people, people kill people...except the p320, the p320 is like the chihuahua of pistols and will attack because you breathed in a way it didnt like" - some dude i saw on tiktok one time

[exotic slate]

Is there a issue with iron man mode rn?
i just thought i beat it but didnt get the achievement

[grave helm]

Why am i getting kicked after joining lobbies? All im doing is joining and waiting for the host to start it. Then I get kicked

[restive mulch]

You have to beat all missions C or higher

[exotic slate]

really?

[restive mulch]

that’s how all achievements work

[exotic slate]

TwT
That means i have to do vally of dolls and hide and seak again

really wish the C info was anywhere on the achievment

[narrow geode]

On port
Not all missions

[winter wyvern]

in the supporter soundtrack when was Room by Room meant to play or was it just there

[sand hull]

do we like vowels or consonants more?

[plain raptor]

The achievement's decription is indeed incomplete. Same goes for the completion of the game on Hard difficulty, as it doesn't mention you need to complete all main objectives and avoid soft completing levels.

[wicked charm]

Yeah that’s fair. I can see how that might have slipped consideration on the move to console.

[marsh lark]

I mean this is probably a small thing that can get adjusted in a patch if the developers noticed this and count it as an issue

[wicked charm]

I won’t hold my breath over it. The main issue is like sometimes I tell them to wedge a door and then they never actually wedged it.

[plain raptor]

That's a whole other issue, the AI has been broken for a couple of weeks now. As far as the controls go, I'm personally switching to m&kb, as the controller is simply too limiting, especially when I need to swap to a grenade ASAP.

[marsh lark]

That may be so, I mean the game is and was really made for PC's

[plain raptor]

I'm not mad at it, I'm glad Xbox supports m&kb, it makes other games more enjoyable too.

[nocturne haven]

Is there any chance they actually fix the tremendously broken material/mesh used for dismemberment/damage? Or how doable would it be for a modder to fix?

[marsh lark]

Void is actively working on full support for M&K. It works accidentally on xbox, but Void is implementing it on PS now

[marsh lark]

What do you mean? After death you cannot dismember any body parts

[plain raptor]

Oh, I thought they had implemented it "properly" at an initial level. It is missing the option to remap bindings.

[marsh lark]

Yeah, it was not intentional. It was a happy accident that it works on xbox

[plain raptor]

I see

[silent cipher]

hey everyone, does anybody have a method for the due process achievement? trying on the valley of the dolls and found if the npc is surrendering not arrested theyre not affected. If i blow the door in their face nothing happens or theyre dead

[plain raptor]

It's most likely I did this on VotD or Rust Belt, I can't remember. I'm pretty sure you're right on the surrendering part, they need to be "active" when you blow the charge.

[silent cipher]

Just got it can confirm they have to be standing, got it on home sweet home

[plain raptor]

Also, it doesn't seem to matter if they're incapacitated or dead or at least, I don't think it does. I would suggest not worrying about it, as it will probably come along as you're going for other achievements too

[plain raptor]

Nice!

[silent cipher]

They definitely must be active

very close now, just have iron man mode

[plain raptor]

Wow, I'm having trouble with Hard mode currently and the "use only X on Y level" seem to be bugged for me, so I have a lot of work ahead for the completion.

[silent cipher]

I just finished all of the use x and y

hard mode is very tough, i do YT so ill post about my methods when im done

[plain raptor]

Nice, if you want, send me your channel's link so I sub now

[silent cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/@KamitheCompletionist

I have 100 hours on the game, s ranks already done in solo, hard mode done too, all of the use specific gear too.

[plain raptor]

I guess a single video guide on all of the specific gear ones would be a banger, I'd post it on TrueAchievements too

Not that they're hard, I'm pretty sure the game considers certain things as voiding the achievements and that's why they don't pop consistently

[verbal meteor]

so guys

my friends non lethal weapons are not showing up

why's that?

[silent cipher]

Correct, can note shields, arresting, lock picking and using the tablet can void it

[plain raptor]

They spawn in without them or they're not rendering?

[verbal meteor]

not rendering

[plain raptor]

huge "bruh" moment

[verbal meteor]

they go to the loadout and they're not there

[marsh lark]

Gunfighter mod?

[verbal meteor]

yeah

[marsh lark]

Go into #🔧modding-chat, click on pinned messages and do what Eman has pinned (the lastest pin)

[silent cipher]

All i have left for the base game is iron man

[plain raptor]

You got the DLC done?

[fierce ridge]

mf i must be blind as shit cause i cant see suspects and i die

[crude prism]

it be like that sometimes

[plain raptor]

That's how I mostly die, the game could do with a bit better performance when it comes to contrast and light changes

[fierce ridge]

im new to the game, im stuck on 23 mb

cant see shit

[grim scarab]

What happened to the AI trailer units?
I remember one of my most anticipated features for RoN were the AI trailer units that would follow in after you cleared all hostile to help evacuate civilians/ restrain ones that were left. I remember a while ago seeing them in game but I haven’t since.

Also I remember in a trailer they showed being able to drag wounded officers and being able to provide medical assistance to wounded civilians, officers and suspects. Whatever happened to these features?

[fierce ridge]

i probably look like a fuckass idiot aiming around to the suspects

[marsh lark]

That is still a thing, yesterday on 4 separate missions I had Trailers AI secure weapon evidence left on the ground and taking injured or dead civilians/suspects out.

[grim scarab]

Ohh what, I’ve been looking out for them but I haven’t found them.
What map were you on?

[crude prism]

Unless it changed, trailers are only on Quick Play I believe (?)

Not commander mode or multiplayer

[plain raptor]

AI comes in to carry out suspects and civies, but not all the time and I'm pretty sure it's only after you brought order to chaos

[grim scarab]

Ohh okay

[marsh lark]

Relapse, Neon Tomb, Postal office, 23 Megabytes etc.

[fierce ridge]

can someone give me a guide to commander mode cause i suck shit at this im alr at 23 mb and half my team is stressed

[marsh lark]

Weird because I have them in multiplayer

[plain raptor]

23MB/s does this 100%

[grim scarab]

I wish you were able to provide some first aid to suspects/ civilians. I hate that all I can do is restrain them

[plain raptor]

Officers get more and more stressed the more you kill suspects instead of arresting them with LTL means.

You can rotate them by sending those who are stressed to Therapy and use other officers.

[marsh lark]

No you are right. My stupid ass has QoL mod and I thought it enables SWAT AI only, but it also enables SWAT Trailers

[fierce ridge]

i tried doing that

but half my team is still stressed

i deleted my slot to try again, one of my officers died

[plain raptor]

Usually when they are on the first stage of stress, the deduction in... skill isn't that significant, so I wouldn't worry

[tribal storm]

Anyone know a good lethal gun/loadout for the sleeper agent achievement? I’ve been trying for a whole week with my friend and we still haven’t gotten it.

[fierce ridge]

23 MBs made me look like a fucking idiot due to the lack of lighting there

[crude prism]

In order to maintain officer stress, you need to take more suspects/civilians alive than you down.

Alternatively, you can just re-buff their stress every other mission or so by doing a nonlethal run on Gas Station

[grim scarab]

What’s that mod called that improved the AI and made them more likely to hide/ surrender? I got a new PC and completely forgot what it was called (also is it still needed, I haven’t really touched the game much since 1.0)

[fierce ridge]

and when a suspect took a hostage i didnt react fast, thus making me look like a dumbass

any changes to loadout i should make for 23mbs?

[crude prism]

AI is in a much better state when it comes to surrendering naturally compared to 1.0 times. (on Standard at least)

Suspects still don't hide much though, as it requires them to be alerted and left alone to hide.

Civilians hide decently often

[silent cipher]

dlc wil be separate, this game has broken me

[silent cipher]

dont kill suspects, use non lethal, cant have an officer die, repeat the gas station or lethal obession to get good mental health

[plain raptor]

Don't take any rifle that's too long, I'd even get a 9mm SMG, I don't think the suspects have armor in that level

[fierce ridge]

should i take the mp7 ive heard that its the best smg

[plain raptor]

I can't say that there are "bests" and "worsts", but it is one of the strongest

On the other hand, if I have to use an SMG due to the nature of the engagements in a level, I take the UMP45 usually

[fierce ridge]

Are there any speed penalties?

[silent cipher]

just use the benelli

[silent cipher]

maneuverability

[fierce ridge]

Is that supernova or m1104?

[plain raptor]

If you still need to maintain less than lethal, you need to surprise them with breaching tech, otherwise they just shoot the civilian. Ramming a door and then launching a stinger usually works

[grim scarab]

That’s good, just as long as the AI don’t perfectly track you through walls after you pass through a doorway im happy

[fierce ridge]

Is a stinger a grenade? I've never given it a try

[short cargo]

Rubber ball grenade

[plain raptor]

Have an AI officer carry the M320 Stinger as his Long Tactical equipment

[fierce ridge]

So we can edit their loadout?

[plain raptor]

then, you'll see the option on the command tree, they shoot that instead of throwing it by hand

[silent cipher]

yes click self then you can change

[fierce ridge]

Wait if I remember correctly I remember during a mission I saw clear with stinger

[plain raptor]

Yeah, go across the briefing room

[crude prism]

You'll still be punished for diving behind ineffective cover after starting an engagement, but the AI will only fire off a few shots now as you break LOS.

They no longer spam 10+ shots like they did during the 1.0 terminator age lmao

[plain raptor]

that's the throwable

[short cargo]

It'll say clear with launcher also

[grim scarab]

I love the stinger grenade, imo the most effective technique on RoN is to treat it like fallujah and carry 3000 grenades

[nocturne haven]

Right, but I mean even before that. The material mesh used is broken & does not reflect light, or possiby something wrong with the emissions. I. e., it shows up as nearly black in-game, especially under a flashlight.

[fierce ridge]

Should I just try quickplay first I am probably not built for commander

[silent cipher]

commander is fine

just alt f4 if you die

[fierce ridge]

Yeah the game is great just that I hate going through the hallways in 23 mbs

I even had to turn up brightness

[silent cipher]

If you have issues with always get the ai to clear with utilities, use nvgs or flashlights

[fierce ridge]

I'm using flashlights

For both my weapons

[charred birch]

Honestly I think I’d recommend playing through the game in quickplay first if you feel like commander is a little too tedious for you with the morale system and all that

Though you get the hang of commander mode eventually ; it’s up to you really

[marsh lark]

Lightning problems are in the game, one of them was fixed in LSS#2 Patch, there are a lot of graphic degradations that are just broken and on the fix list

[crisp mulch]

How do people feel about the 2 medium to long ranged scopes in this (SDR 1-2-x & ATAK-R-1-12x) for the ARs, do you find them awkward to use at all, or their visibility not ideal?

[charred birch]

The SDR is somewhat usable but the ATAK is just hilarious since you’ll never find a use in it apart from maybe Hide and Seek’s watchtower

[marsh lark]

Considering you are mostly in close quarters, magnifiers are close to useless in this game. While it would be interesting to have some retractable magnifiers with halo or dot sights, at the same time it might not be that needed and those things, if you really wish are addable via mods

[crisp mulch]

They feel like you need to be stationary to properly use them (and I'd have to change weapon FOV so the weapon is quite close which I don't like) but I agree many levels currently don't benefit long range. I would love sniper rifles and levels with long range in future (one team to could provide support from a roof for instance)

[charred birch]

I’d already said this but Dark Waters had a lot of potential for the chopper to have a sniper in it as well ; too bad they didn’t exploit that

[crude prism]

They'll be much more useful once this prophecy becomes true. (in 900 years)

[charred birch]

You could just use a command a limited amount of times to tell the sniper to shoot whatever suspect the heli’s looking at, and otherwise it’d stand down for the S rank hunters

[crisp mulch]

yes! that could be it, it's immediately in maybe 4x zoom without the 1x zoom as an option

[charred birch]

The heli was a nice addition nonetheless so i’m not really complaining

[crude prism]

At the moment, the scopes are totally unusable imo.

You're literally punishing yourself.

None of the current engagement ranges justify using them in magnified states

Like this isn't Arma and we aren't fighting across 300+ meter fields

[crisp mulch]

Yeah I think greased palms might be the only one I've seen so far with some range to it? but with the tonne of obstacles and narrow aisles, that can make it a problem for long scopes (I'm only up to 'Relapse' mission)

[charred birch]

Technically you’ve got Hide and Seek as well, but you can’t see shit unless you’re on top of the watchtower..

[crisp mulch]

I'll keep an eye out the for that mission, I mainly use the SRS scope (feels like it has a nice big sight picture to see through without changing weapon FOV)

[rotund otter]

Are there any bugs with crossplay?

[charred birch]

Oh yeah i like the SRS scope as well ; though in all honesty i barely pay attention to what scope i bring anymore since canted sights are more reliable half of the time in cqb (and just about everything in this game is CQB)

[crisp mulch]

Yeah I love the canted ready weapon stance, it's very useful in many situations (with laser) on PS5 it's a half L2 trigger press with trigger resistance past that point to ADS

[charred birch]

Also very useful with a flashlight

[plain raptor]

I await the day I can clear Thank you, come again with my 12x day sight on my Mk18 with a double drum mag

[plain raptor]

What's "meter"?😂 🇺🇸 🦅

Also, I know it's not ARMA, but the DayZ experience in long ranges is quite clanky, I don't think that the projectile velocities decrease that fast IRL.

[crude prism]

Depends on the caliber ig. Idk about vanilla standalone DayZ at this point, but it's pretty accurate afaik

[plain raptor]

Really? It might be worth reading up on it, even though I don't see myself playing ARMA or DayZ anytime soon

[crude prism]

Well after a bit of googling it seems DayZ devs randomly fucked with some values in order to "balance" them for the survival sandbox

Such as nearly halving the bullet speed of 5.45x39 to make it worse at range (down to ~500m/s instead of 900+)

[plain raptor]

Huh, that makes perfect sense, I remember counting the seconds when shooting at a target at around 800m and I distincively remember taking the round more than a second to reach it!

With the R700, I forgot to add.

[misty ice]

Where are the fucking bombs in university commander mode I always fail to find both bombs

[plain raptor]

There are Steam guides and YT videos that show the locations. Tbh listening for the beeping helps more when also trying to clear the area.

[misty ice]

I've been doing that too but I think there's some kind of glitch cause there's no shot I search the whole thing 3 times and not find it

Can it be outside too

[plain raptor]

No, only on certain desks, inside the structure

[misty ice]

Aight

[plain raptor]

They don't stick out that much, I'll agree, but if know what they look like, it's not hard to find them. You just need to be quick when clearing the university, otherwise you won't have time to look properly.

As with most levels, you need to form a game plan beforehand. While the structure of the levels remains the same, the suspects (and in this case, the bombs) won't, so it's not just mindless repetition. If you however know the most efficient route through the building, you'll be in a much better position to search.

[misty ice]

I did it, no game plan, A +

[plain raptor]

Glad to hear it

[misty ice]

Thx dude

[plain raptor]

You're welcome

[tribal storm]

Anyone know a good lethal gun/loadout for the sleeper agent achievement? I’ve been trying for a whole week with my friend and we still haven’t gotten it.

[plain raptor]

Why would you want to go lethal?

[quartz patio]

you can incapacitate them and it'll count (according to the achievement description)

[tribal storm]

cause I’ve tried non lethal before but and whenever I restrain cancel them the suspects break and don’t listen orders.

[plain raptor]

it's a far greater risk of killing them

[tribal storm]

how do I do that with killing them?

[quartz patio]

Killing is incapacitating them no?

[plain raptor]

You want to arrest them...

if they're dead, they're not arrested, they're only restrained to be sure

[quartz patio]

same thing if they're unconcious??

[plain raptor]

The method is as follows: LTL equipment, you go in and try to get them to surrender. Cancelling the cuffing animation twice will make sure they won't pull a pistol while you're not looking. Some have said that they won't even get up after that, but I'm not too sure. Then, you kite them ("move to my position" command) as much as possible, so that no two suspects are too far from each other that you void the achievement.

it sounds much easier than it is, sorry

[plain raptor]

there are three states, dead, incapacitated or alive and kicking. You can arrest them only when they're not dead.

[tribal storm]

I guess I can try non lethal again with my friend and see how it goes. It’s just they break and won’t move at all whenever we restrain cancel them and then it’s always a risk trying to get them to pull out their pistol on us (to secure it) cause they can still kill us. So that’s usually why I would prefer going lethal over non lethal.

Also the Xbox achievement says kill or arrest

[plain raptor]

I'm having difficulty understanding your issue with their pistols. Only some suspects carry secondaries. If they surrender, they drop their primary. If you go for the cuffs, but cancel the animation, the secondary drops on their feet and you can secure it. Apparently, they won't get up from this point, therefore you can try to kite them. Sometimes they won't respond to the command and are stuck in place, therefore you need to try to bring the others closer.

Oh, I see, you're trying to get them to pull the pistol, but have them surrender again. Yeah, that's risky and I would think it works worse than what I'd do.

The only alternative is to indeed go for incapacitations, which is also risky and I don't think I'd personally would be able to do consistenly.

[tribal storm]

yeah me and my friend have been trying for a week about 10-12 hours a day so it’s kinda a pain but thanks for the help

[plain raptor]

It's probably in the top 3 hardest achievements in the game, but it's doable, I've seen people pop it on Xbox.

[pine canyon]

I will get my revenge

Fucking house raided on false charges

[plain raptor]

They're just jealous of you and your talented daughter Mr Voll

[pine canyon]

Thank you

That’s very kind of you

[plain raptor]

NOW GET ON THE GROUND, NOW

[pine canyon]

Since when is it a crime to have posters of dolls

[plain raptor]

LET ME SEE THOSE HANDS

[pine canyon]

Leave me and my dolls alone

[plain raptor]

shoots him and spends the rest of his life in jail

[pine canyon]

Good thing I buried most of my dolls in the basement

[plain raptor]

"Christ"

[toxic harness]

You're in my way sir