👮ron-discussion

[warm veldt]

FUCK

[deep sentinel]

Just you gang 😭✌️

[gusty storm]

Not to mention they can see us clearly but we can't see them

[clever veldt]

yeah I suspected I was being a tweaker lol. crazy coincidence tho

[gusty storm]

Liangelo ball reference

[warm veldt]

THE PACKAGES ARE SPEAKING SPANISH

[chilly forum]

travis scott reference

[clever veldt]

Actual schizophrenia moment

[gusty storm]

he was the highest in the room

[simple marsh]

True lol I still haven't done neon tomb

[warm veldt]

Why is judge caked up

[jagged carbon]

Why shouldn’t he be?

[gusty storm]

the tattoo looks cool thoo

[warm veldt]

Mans double cheeked up

[jagged carbon]

It could be assumed he’s married and has three kids thanks to the wedding wristband and the kid bracelet. Maybe that’s how he got a wife cause he got dem cheeks.

[warm veldt]

Hell yeah

[slender jungle]

there are so many missions that the community collectively hates i think it’s hilarious tbh

[earnest osprey]

If your officer was previously stressed, is it easier for him to get stressed again/ have a crisis?

[amber dock]

No

[ionic gale]

greased palms

[slender jungle]

literally me rn

i keep dying on the last fucking guy 😭

[glass willow]

Man bots are useless on hard

[willow grove]

Anyone know why i Can’t play multiplayer?

[deep sentinel]

Whats wrong with it

[wind phoenix]

What is the range of min to max amount of suspects that can spawn on Rust Belt?

[dapper dew]

Dude wtf I actually just cant play this game bro. straight up unfair gameplay

[deep sentinel]

How is it unfair 😭

[thin veldt]

so to get the watch do i need to not have a officer not even resign or is it just die

[ionic gale]

The game isn’t like this usually… the AI in these recent updates has just been huffing galaxy gas or whatever and they’re like weirdly way too accurate and aggressive

The game is supposed to be hard. Don’t get me wrong, but there is a fine line between “difficult” and “I want to break my keyboard.”

[ionic gale]

You can’t have your officers resign or die

I don’t know if firing them applies & you can obviously send them to therapy

[thin veldt]

i’m gonna kms bruh

i just did VoD😭

[restive mulch]

they could balance it out easily by making either the teammate ai good or the enemy AI feel more “general” in its actions, but they do neither and keep it broken

[wind phoenix]

I ask cause I just watched a video of a guy play it and he had 6 civs and only 2 suspects which just sounds insane

[ionic gale]

Although if you’re going to trying to keep you and your officers alive & keeping their mental health and check. I think it’s advised that you try to S rank the game or if you’re really gonna be going lethal, try your very very best to kill as little people as possible and just know that certain missions will give your officers automatic stress like the school shooter mission, and the neon nightclub

By the way before you get worried, no you don’t have to do the DLC obviously

[thin veldt]

im gonna lose it bruh

[deep sentinel]

Firing doesn't fail the challenge but firing officers tanks your current officers morale which could cause them to resign "losing" an officer is eitheran officer resigning or dying

[gusty storm]

Is officer morale an important thing or nah?

[thin veldt]

yeah

[restive mulch]

the worse their morale the more debuffs they have (on top of already being useless)

[deep sentinel]

Def yes

[thin veldt]

they all went from content to crisis for some damn reason😭

[gusty storm]

They getting more useless 😢

[ionic gale]

It’s only a thing in the commander mode and it’s important if you want to keep your officers from not quitting the job and losing whatever perks you get with them and also if you’re trying to get the ruined watch, which is a very difficult challenge… yeah you can’t have any officers resign or die so you got to keep them as happy as much

[restive mulch]

I rage quit like 2 times trying to get S on hard mode ides of march before going to standard and beating it first try

[thin veldt]

i didn’t even kill that many people😭

[wind phoenix]

They have debuffs if they’re stressed? Didn’t know that

[thin veldt]

i’ve been doing it on hard… do i not have to be on hard?

[gusty storm]

This is torture

[ionic gale]

If you play a mission like Valley of the dolls or neon nightclub or elephant… those are intentionally supposed to take a toll on the mental health of your officers because of the heavy subject of the mission… so your best bet is to S rank or at least make sure that not as many people die in order to somewhat keep them from leaving the job

[restive mulch]

pretty sure if you’re on standard or higher you can get S ranks and rewards if that’s what you mean

[ionic gale]

You didn’t need to play on hard mode… you only have to play standard mode in order to get the developer watch

[deep sentinel]

Yeah, idk what they are exactly but ive noticed them less likely to shoot and shit while stressed

[ionic gale]

He’s wanting to get the developer watch

[restive mulch]

that’s all S rank hardmode right?

[gusty storm]

They rather die than getting more stressed

[thin veldt]

to get the watch

[ionic gale]

No, you can do it in standard, I’m sure of that

[restive mulch]

it’s the ironman one?

[ionic gale]

Yes, Iron Man mode, you can play standard mode on Iron Man

[thin veldt]

i thought i was just the two shooting maps😭

[restive mulch]

that’s pain fs

[gusty storm]

🧙‍♂️

[thin veldt]

bruh my wifi send these messages 2 light years after bruh😭

[restive mulch]

I couldn’t imagine doing it on hard especially considering how the AI acts like they’re the SWAT and you’re the random thug

[deep sentinel]

Standard or Hard mode, Can't lose any officers (from either resigning or dying), Have to get minimum of C+ on every mission

[ionic gale]

Bane Bhaiya, be wary of certain missions, like what I just said before, since the content of those missions will automatically tank the mental health of your officers

Also, your officers are going to be more stressed if they kill people or people get killed so again S ranking the main missions or at least trying to get suspect and civilians not killed as much as possible is best

[restive mulch]

these gonks be tweakin 😭✌️

[thin veldt]

i’m gonna crashout soon but it should be not as bad on standard😭

[deep sentinel]

Absolute cyberpsychos

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it is a intentionally hard challenge just for the flex

[restive mulch]

gave bro dynalar sandevistan told him it was militech apogee

[ionic gale]

Why do you think it’s a Rolex? 👅

[mint hemlock]

can console players read messages in chat in game?

[deep sentinel]

It's def worth the flex ngl (Nobody ever notices my bling)

[ionic gale]

I don’t know I think communicating with console players was a bit fucked, I hope that this recent patch changed that but I don’t know

[thin veldt]

i’m about to get cyberpsychosis
bruh

[restive mulch]

take the S-keef already choom

[deep sentinel]

People act like the Hawaiian shirt is harder to get than the devs ruined watch lmfao

[gusty storm]

No, it's patek philippe Nautilus 5712

[thin veldt]

people who haven’t tried to get the watch

[toxic harness]

We are Hawaiians, way superior than Polynesians

[ionic gale]

I honestly feel like that we need to reevaluate the difficulty of valley of the dolls on S rank

Sure, as a newcomer, mission is difficult as you got gung ho suspects in map like Valley, but I don’t know…

[gusty storm]

Is it even worth it

[deep sentinel]

Literally, I showed some dude the watch once and said its the hardest thing to get and he deadass looked at me and went "bet you dont have the hawaiian shirt"

[ionic gale]

OK, obviously it’s gonna be more difficult with AI teammates, but I only played the mission with randoms and it’s not difficult much at all

[toxic harness]

Lmao

[gusty storm]

I'll just use my kashio like Ryan Gosling 😎

[thin veldt]

no but you can become a registered flex offender

[restive mulch]

not really since nobody looks at your watch anyways

hawaiian shirt supremacy

[deep sentinel]

I've never found it too difficult, maps like Neon Tomb, Greased Palms and Twisted Nerve we're more of a pain for me to do

[gusty storm]

yeah, and you will probably forget that you have the hardest watch to achieve in a game

[thin veldt]

i got kicked from a game because i had it on and the dude who was trolling also had one on

[deep sentinel]

I just arrested some lady and she started saying " I can't breathe!" oh god 😭

[gusty storm]

yes twin🥹 ✌️

[thin veldt]

i got through all of them up until Elephant😭

[gusty storm]

pepper spray her

[arctic siren]

diddys mansion

[deep sentinel]

Lemme kneel on her neck rq

[toxic harness]

tf

[deep sentinel]

Elephants always been easy for me unless im playing hard mode

[thin veldt]

that was outta left field lol

[deep sentinel]

Yeah it was ngl

[thin veldt]

nah i didn’t even start it because the officer resigned after VoD

[deep sentinel]

Theres hella traps on hard mode Elephant

[toxic harness]

You can just push only double doors to avoid them

[deep sentinel]

Yeah that was the method i used

[slender jungle]

bro does anyone know how tf to find the last civilian on a map, i’ve had greased palms basically done for like 5 mins looking for this civi and it’s still saying i need to rescue

[gusty storm]

from what i know, you should stay in place and wait for the civ to run to you. Cause you're faster than the civ.

Or it's just bugged idk

[arctic siren]

she's gonna run up on you when you're least expecting it

[solemn patio]

Relapse makes me wish we could call in the national guard

I hate it so much

[arctic siren]

relapse isnt even that bad

just use flashbang launcher

[peak coyote]

Greased palms worse

[solemn patio]

Its the suspects with the battle rifles tbh

Relapse is just good spawns

Isnt it kinda crazy the hand plants one of the bombs in the pediatric wing?

[arctic siren]

real

[solemn patio]

Atp if we’re using battle rifles should we just flatout get LMGs

[thin veldt]

whatever his name was being held there.

there’s an m249 locked away from us😭

[solemn patio]

NO

WHYY MUST I BE NEGLECTED LIKE THIS

[thin veldt]

you need a PC to install the mod that unlocks the guns locked away in the files

[arctic siren]

where mod

i need it

[solemn patio]

I wish we got the g18

[thin veldt]

idk civilian use only made a video on it i think nexus

[rose cave]

What does this even mean...

[solemn patio]

I meant to say we should i horrendously phrased that

[slender jungle]

it’s bugged :/ i walked around the map like 3 times rip fucking me

[thin veldt]

i mean we need maps with longer sightlines or a functional LPVO

[solemn patio]

Oh yea

The LPVO needs to be variable

[dusky nacelle]

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT BRO

A+ on Rust Belt because dumbass AI Swatmates decide to kill two guys

[thin veldt]

x12 is too much for 99.99% of situations in this game

[arctic siren]

its not bugged

[arctic siren]

nonlethal twin

[thin veldt]

give them nonlethals

[slender jungle]

then tell me where the last civi was twin

[dusky nacelle]

The pistol bro

[thin veldt]

isn’t way out west broken?

[solemn patio]

I have this one nutritionist who has survived more than a ww2 veteran does he have plot armor

[thin veldt]

TRPL

[dusky nacelle]

crying

[crude prism]

What? You don't like watching the sweat drip down a suspects nose with a 12x at 15 meters?

[dusky nacelle]

On hard mode too bro

[thin veldt]

i prefer looking into their pours at 5 meters

[solemn patio]

Pores*

[thin veldt]

[arctic siren]

im not in your game

[thin veldt]

i’m too tired to be using grammar

[arctic siren]

proper grammar vs basic english

[thin veldt]

outside or in the house probably

[solemn patio]

Once we kill or arrest all suspects civis should be optional considering we aren’t needed anymore, we brought order to the chaos.

[rose cave]

No. Go play CoD bro

[solemn patio]

Rip

[thin veldt]

ive lost 99% of my brainpower due to this game today so cut me some slack lol

[civic fiber]

no? i got it a few days ago

[solemn patio]

I cant tell if you’re trying to be hostile

Ehh, probably not

[thin veldt]

i’ve done it multiple times with just the big iron and legit didn’t pop

[fiery vortex]

Does anyone know what the Atlas Pro shirt was based on? I wanna see if I can grab a real world visual match

[solemn patio]

My braincells are crying due to this game

[civic fiber]

idk man but i have it

[thin veldt]

it’s a cry for help

[solemn patio]

Its either this or Harry Potter

[thin veldt]

definitely harry potter

[solemn patio]

I dont have playstation plus rn so no helldivers 2

[thin veldt]

preordered it on xbox🫡

[arctic siren]

which one is that

[solemn patio]

Look forward to seeing you in the fight, FOR DEMOCRACY RAHH

They need to add the kriss vector it’d be very cool

[thin veldt]

the one from dark waters

swarm of .45 bees🫡

[solemn patio]

NOT THE BEES OHF GOD

[arctic siren]

why does the developers ruined watch not list the specifics

[fiery vortex]

It comes from darkwater, it's the top left of shirts and is full sleeved without being full body

[willow grove]

Cant play or create a multiplayer game

[thin veldt]

to make it even harder 🤷

[deep sentinel]

Weird i got no clue

[arctic siren]

not really hard tbh, just time consuming

[solemn patio]

I can’t stop ready or not its like an addiction

Help bro

[thin veldt]

i just did some of it on hard and i’m debating rating guns on mouth feel

[arctic siren]

all it says is "complete ready or not on ironman mode without losing a single officer"

[dusky nacelle]

I DID IT

I GOT S ON RUST BELT HARD

[arctic siren]

yay

[thin veldt]

or having them resign so you have to kill very little people or S rank every mission on standard

[arctic siren]

resigning is the same thing as losing 🥀

[thin veldt]

it still counts

[arctic siren]

tbh non lethal makes everything easy

[solemn patio]

Suspects are lowk too accurate

[arctic siren]

yep

[solemn patio]

They need to make them struggle to see in the dark

And add flashhiders

WHY ARE THE CIVD IN NEON TOMB SO SHINY

[arctic siren]

neon tomb is the "hardest" map imo

[dusky nacelle]

Cries in Rust Belt and Greased Palms

[arctic siren]

greased palms isnt that bad

[regal hornet]

Greased palms is my favorite map

[solemn patio]

Wym by that

[arctic siren]

my message didnt send 💔

bright lights, insanely loud music, moving lights

[regal hornet]

I would say port hokan is the hardest because I really hate it

It's not even that difficult it just sucks

[deep sentinel]

Street Lights perchance?

[raven quartz]

Greased and hokan

[solemn patio]

You can turn that off at the DJ booth but its so out in the open

Lowk annoying

[placid slate]

The game needs to have our AI Units and self to have idle authentic police radio chatter to make it realistic.

[solemn patio]

They should add snipers and large levels to make them practical

[deep sentinel]

I wish they added the sniper from SWAT 4

[solemn patio]

I just want a remington 700 man

[deep sentinel]

The whole point of it being in the open is to be annoying so you have to take a risk to turn it off

[solemn patio]

And thats dumb

[deep sentinel]

Why?

[solemn patio]

It takes forever to do as well

[solemn patio]

I understand its a risk but its tedious

[deep sentinel]

Why should it be easy to give yourself a massive strategical advantage

[solemn patio]

Yeah I understand

But its just annoying, I dont want it removed, I just express disdain for it.

[fiery vortex]

I found out which one it is. UFPRO Striker Xt Gen.2 Combat Shirt

[solemn patio]

Is the SR16 or MK16 the most stylish gun

In 5.56

[digital bobcat]

Florida Man was the only mod map that let you be a recon sniper

[fiery vortex]

F90, MCX, GA416

[solemn patio]

G4A16 is just stubby

[fiery vortex]

the hk416 is a mandatory mention I'm sorry broski

[solemn patio]

I mesn yeah

Lowk m14 and scar h are the coolest battle rifles

G3 is kinda eh, I want the super short one and to be blinded by my own muzzle flash

[fiery vortex]

SCAR-H goes hard, but from what the spreadsheets say it's the shittiest in stats

[arctic siren]

scar is fun

[dusky nacelle]

That gun carried me in port hokan

[fiery vortex]

highest recoil among them, highest drag too. It's fun yes but statistically it's the worst off

[dusky nacelle]

I only do single fire on everything so that's probably why I never noticed much of it

[fiery vortex]

I know, the SCAR-H drip tho makes it optimal

[solemn patio]

F90 is the best for CQB

[dusky nacelle]

But the MP5SD :c

[solemn patio]

Okay yea, but IS IT THE INTEGRATED MP5A2 LIGHT

[fiery vortex]

best CQB Rifle, Mp7, p90 and 5sd are best smg

[arctic siren]

5.7 works pretty well

[solemn patio]

It really feels iffy ngl

[fiery vortex]

also apparently stat wise, like 7.62 nato .50 AE will always cause arterial bleed

[solemn patio]

Should I run an m14

[arctic siren]

3 shots usually does it

[digital bobcat]

how good is your aimflick

[arctic siren]

do mods disable achievments

[solemn patio]

Im console player

[deep sentinel]

Only some of them I think

[arctic siren]

which ones

[solemn patio]

But the M14 is a beauty

[fiery vortex]

it's good in class, up to you

[rose cave]

Mods that affect gameplay most likely

[fiery vortex]

yeah but it is a PDW calibre, intended like smg's for full auto.

It would be more iffy it was 5.56 or .300

[deep sentinel]

Actually I think you can still get achievements but not the cosmetic unlocks like the hawaiian shirt and the dev watch, Could be wrong tho

[solemn patio]

I prefer 4.6 because the MP7 is objectively the cooler gun

[arctic siren]

theres barely anything for mods in the supported thing 😭

[fiery vortex]

all of them were purged

[arctic siren]

why

[solemn patio]

Hmm..

SA58 is lowk overrated

[fiery vortex]

I will never stop thinking about how people said ready or not is "dress to impress from roblox for men"

[fiery vortex]

It's king but the 7.62 mp5's took over it's role.

[arctic siren]

pretty much

[fiery vortex]

Compatability concerns.

[solemn patio]

Which one is that

[arctic siren]

thats stupid

[solemn patio]

OHH

ima give my officers ga51 then

[fiery vortex]

both, ga-51 is considered better though as it's smaller

[solemn patio]

GA51 is the mini g3

[arctic siren]

ok this watch lowk aint even that good

🥀

[fiery vortex]

which one

[digital bobcat]

there should be a watch for each achievement

I want some kind of bling

[arctic siren]

developers ruined

[solemn patio]

Random headshots are INSANE

[smoky cedar]

we need to add a bigger variety of tattoos, they’re only available thru paying for them or S rank atm

[solemn patio]

Ngl the game needs less environmental storytelling or needs to make it less in your face

[arctic siren]

s rank isnt that hard

[smoky cedar]

It’s not hard but we need either more variety or modded tattoos

[dusky nacelle]

S rank on hard?...

[stone bay]

i never get s rankj

[arctic siren]

why would you do it on hard for a tattoo

[stone bay]

i rack up unauthorized use of force with the 5 pepper spray bottles i like to waterboard suspects with

[dusky nacelle]

Because I hate my self

[arctic siren]

real

my go-to kill everyone mission is ends of the earth

[grave anchor]

wish there was a way to run through the training facility with your squad : /

[jade sparrow]

Has anyone made a mod to spawn in additional AI officers in a mission, or even better choose the amount of AI officers you start a mission with?

[stone bay]

i wish there was a mod to solo it LOL

[dusky nacelle]

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE I AM

mb. couldn't help my self lmao

[grave anchor]

DAMMIT RIGHT

[dusky nacelle]

NUMBER FIVE

[grave anchor]

THAT IS WHY I DID IT

[cloud tree]

People are lagging in my lobby, is it my fault? Or is it the game?

[arctic siren]

just found my new favorite gun

[arctic siren]

just host a multiplayer game thats friends only

[grave anchor]

is it called dracarys

[dusky nacelle]

you a bowler as well? or just love meming PDW

[arctic siren]

the slr47

[grave anchor]

I respect one of the greatest athletes of our generation

of all time

[dusky nacelle]

Very understandable, mans dropped not just one but two of the hardest quotes in Sports history

[marble flume]

There's no reason to, nightvision counters all the flashing lights completely

[arctic siren]

theres a reason to turn off the loud music

[solemn patio]

Not the music tho.

[marble flume]

You don't need to turn off the music? It isn't that hard to hear people and there's also subtitles that give away when anyone talks anyway

[magic hound]

Welcome to the gentlemen's club for the elite

[magic hound]

Use JHP for any map that doesn't have lvl 4 armor

7.62x39 JHP - best caliber in the game

[ionic gale]

I personally never used the SLR 47 really I don’t like its attachment selection

[magic hound]

For Hard anyway. Same ttk as 7.62x51, 30 rnd mag, enough pen to go through light materials unlike 5.56/300

[magic hound]

It takes getting used to. Combat grip is goated for hipfire, actually

[dusky nacelle]

S run on Greased Palms hard makes me wanna kms

[magic hound]

As long as you remember that to pull down as you shoot, hipfire in small bursts is quite accurate and easier to control than aiming in ADS, esp if you have zoom on

[ionic gale]

My rifle of choice is the 5.56 MCX

EXPS3 Holographic, Combat Grip, Laser and SOCOM Suppessor

That’s my go to build

[magic hound]

Yeah I like it, but 5.56 JHP is kinda weak and AP do very little dmg to limbs

Ttk on hard is a matter of life and death quite often

[ionic gale]

I exclusively run AP on every map except for certain maps with unarmored suspects, then I run a 9mm SMG with JHP

I also don’t chew that limbs much at all. I just hit center mass or the head if it’s a hostage situation.

[thin ivy]

is the door kick animation supposed to look awful?

we can ALL agree the new one looks like dogshit

[magic hound]

You aim for center mass, but trust me, you hit limbs more often than you think

[gritty lava]

I don't mind the new one

[ionic gale]

I have seen it and it looks… eh

[gritty lava]

It's definitely a plus from the earlier one

[magic hound]

When you hit em from the side or just be because suspects are holding their weapons right in front of them

[restive mulch]

she grease my palms til my twisted nerves relapse at the end of the earth

[deep sentinel]

I prefer it over the old one, looks way more realistic like your guy is actually putting more energy into the kick. It's def a bit too over the top though

[gritty lava]

You can tell he's putting effort in it

Instead of slight movement

[restive mulch]

I wish judge would kick my door 👅👅

[magic hound]

The bigger problem is getting wallbanged after an unsuccessful kick

[deep sentinel]

Yeah exactly, nobodies kickin a door open with just their leg you gotta put your body into that shit

[restive mulch]

there’s a typo for the 911 call in ends of the earth

[arctic siren]

5.56 obsolete

[dusky nacelle]

That's why you cam and C2 everything

[arctic siren]

i usually just bust it open and spam it with the flashbang launcher

[magic hound]

Oh yes it is, especially with JHP rounds

[ionic gale]

And I swear you guys just want to fucking put holes in people just for the sake of it

[deep sentinel]

Or unlock doors before you kick the shit outta them, youre way more likely to get it open in one kick if the doors unlocked

[magic hound]

Mirrorgun is a crutch, it's never used irl

[ionic gale]

I’m sitting in a discord full of sick monsters who only want blood

I’m a good boy

[arctic siren]

yep

[magic hound]

On hard blood is the only anwser

[arctic siren]

civs hate to see me coming

[ionic gale]

I can’t believe I have to share the LSPD with a bunch of monsters like you

[magic hound]

It's so nice to meet you comrade

[ionic gale]

Do you guys want a nice little challenge idea?

[gritty lava]

It's honestly really good in my opinion, I mean I've never kicked down a door before, but if I think of that, it's pretty close to it

[oblique verge]

How do i turn bodycam off?

[magic hound]

Kicking the door, whipping the 44

[ionic gale]

Play Ends of the Earth, OK?

It’s called a “hitman” run, I even got lore for this shit hold up…

“You are a hitman sent by Jack Adams to get rid of the Tran Family as they are competition.”

You kill everybody in the house with & suppressed weapons without suspects firing single a shot in order to avoid a police response

[arctic siren]

amen

[arctic siren]

i prefer unsupressed, i want them to know i just lit up grandma

[ionic gale]

Then the police are gonna come

The thing is that you’re going to take them out silently to make sure that at least nobody won’t find them for a while

[magic hound]

slr unsuppressed is almost as small as a pistol

[arctic siren]

its so peak

[ionic gale]

Do you wanna try out that challenge?

[magic hound]

Should nt be underestimated, esp with the new free lean bugs

[thin ivy]

it looks uh awful

[magic hound]

Even love the low ROF on SLR, works great for magdumping

[restive mulch]

ends of the earth is my favorite map in the game

I love raiding the house of people trying to support their dying mother

absolute cinema, 10/10 would ruin the lives of others again

[ionic gale]

LETS KILL EM (jk)

[magic hound]

And burst firing

But ofc, the cherry on top is the SRO optic

[restive mulch]

but going from probably the easiest mission in the game to greased palms is genuinely evil

[magic hound]

And the slim profile lending to clean canted picture

Buckshot makes greased palms way easiernbtw

[arctic siren]

favorite map to kill everyone on

[magic hound]

You don't need pinpoint accuracy to hit em behind cover, hitting any body part does 100% dmg and buckshot doesn't lose any dmg over range

Greased palms sus have no armor

[restive mulch]

I don’t kill

[magic hound]

On hard?

[restive mulch]

I was doing a hard playthrough but ides of march broke me so im playing the rest on standard

[honest fern]

im doing a hard playthrough for the achievement

[restive mulch]

am I missing something on greased palms? I’ve completed every soft and main objective, but the game hasn’t ended yet

[honest fern]

evidence

probably a gun glitched into the ground or smth

do you have weapon highlight on?

[restive mulch]

yes

oh I didn’t report the FISA office lol

Nevermind

[humble nymph]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6uXRrYb/

[vestal mauve]

really hoping Shattered Nerve and Florida Man get updated soon

[marble flume]

5.56 is okay with AP if you're rocking full-auto

[tired jungle]

Hell naw

Full auto on rifles is cringe

[marble flume]

If you're using anything with full-auto on it, full-auto should be used lmao, except for some pretty long engagements like on Hide and Seek

[honest fern]

no, semi is much more effective lmfao

[tired jungle]

Simply no, this isn't call of duty

[honest fern]

ur not hitting anything with full auto

[marble flume]

Tell that to the suspects in this game that PLAY the game like Call of Duty lmao.

On Hard difficulty, full-auto is a requirement and NOT a suggestion

[tired jungle]

Skill issue?

[marble flume]

I can literally full-auto a GA51 and hit shit lmao, and thats even easier than a Mk 18

[languid dagger]

Does ironheart mode achievements have any secret requirements like hard?

[marble flume]

And here's the "skill issue" comment. Of course, when I point out that Hard AI has both aimbot and wallhacks, I get "skill issue" remarks when saying full-auto is needed

[tired jungle]

Full auto is not needed

[languid dagger]

No dude your absolutely correct they aimbot when I'm across the map being shot with a pistol by a guy who's holding a literal hostage I lose a little bit of myself

[honest fern]

Full auto is NOT needed

[wet moat]

Hard Difficulty still needs sometime to cook in the oven

[marble flume]

Suspects on Hard literally land every single shot they fire at you, and every shot that hits you both fucks your vision AND applies screen shake

[languid dagger]

Full auto is not needed though

[honest fern]

They do have aimbot and wallhacks yes, but full auto is definitely not a requirement

[wet moat]

it's more fun to go full-auto tho

[marble flume]

I started doing noticeably better on Hard when I started using full-auto, because "accuracy" basically goes out the window the moment they start shooting at you anyway.

For this reason, even shotguns don't cut that fuckin mustard on Hard

[tired jungle]

I know how the game works. Shoot them first you don't need to pull down on the trigger in panic

[languid dagger]

Sure if full auto works for you go for it.

But it's absolutely not a requirement or necessarily better.

[marble flume]

1. If they're already looking at you, they get the first shot, not you.

2. If you DO get the first shot, full-auto guarantees you also land the next two shots before they get the chance to shoot

[wet moat]

only time full auto is needed imo is when Amos refuses to go quietly (or at all...alive)

[languid dagger]

There's literally not a single map that's noticeably easier with full auto

[marble flume]

I did Hard Elephant first try when I pulled out a full-auto GA51 with AP lmao

[tired jungle]

Lol with this argument

[honest fern]

Elephant lmao

[languid dagger]

Full auto isn't bad but saying it absolutely necessary is a skill issue

I agree wall hacks and aimbot are not a fun difficulty curve.

Also elephant is a easy af map.

[marble flume]

Well I've gotten 16/18 Hard maps now, and a full-auto Mk 18 or battle rifle is doing MUCH better than anything else

[marble flume]

Not on fucking Hard, I was trying to use a shotgun and that shit was NOT cutting it

[languid dagger]

Did it first try without full auto.

It's 4 suspects with just really good armor. Pick better guns.

[marble flume]

On Hard difficulty, either you full-auto them or they full-auto you. There really IS no in-between unless you can hit them with a grenade or something

[marble flume]

If you have four suspects, you did NOT play this map on Hard lmao.

I cna complete every map on Standard with a pump-action shotgun

[languid dagger]

There's between 4 - 6 suspects on the map

[marble flume]

No there is not. 4 suspects on Normal, 5 on Hard.

[languid dagger]

My fucking brother if 5 suspects is your problem. There's nothing else to say then get good

[marble flume]

yet another skill issue comment lmao

Go play Elephant on Hard and THEN come back to me

[honest fern]

Like we said if full auto works for u then good, but its definitely NOT a requirement

[languid dagger]

I did

[marble flume]

I promise you, semi-auto is not gonna cut that shit with a Mk 18

[honest fern]

Mk18 is not the only gun in the game

[languid dagger]

Mcx is better

[marble flume]

You didn't even name the correct amount of suspects on a map that has the exact same suspect counts depending fully on difficulty

[languid dagger]

Alright go to screenshots you shaved monkey

[marble flume]

Why do I find this statement somewhat hard to believe?

[marble flume]

Also, the problem isn't the armor, the problem is the guns and how they pretty much instakill you once they start firing if you don't kill them first

[earnest osprey]

How many suspects do i have to arrest on hide and seek to prevent my officers from resigning?

[marble flume]

Depends a lot on current officer traits; Moral Officers and SBAGS adjust the ratio more in your favor.

As fur an exact number I honestly have no idea

[honest fern]

Sbags helps reduce the stress yea

[languid dagger]

@marble flume it's commander mode

[marble flume]

Too bad I can't tell lmao

[languid dagger]

You just suck at the game dude

Pick better guns aim better

Have you considered getting good?

[marble flume]

Yet another "skill issue" comment lmao. Didn't someone else here say you can't even hit anything while firing full-auto? Cause that's the actual "skill issue"

The guns in this game really do not have that much recoil

[languid dagger]

Use the sa 58

[marble flume]

.308 rifles at least deal high damage, but when I realized how hilariously easy it is to run the GA51 on full-auto I've been doing that

[languid dagger]

It will pierce any armor type and kill anyone in 2 shots

Plus it might actually make you better since it's almost impossible to full auto

[marble flume]

Well it doesn't pierce level 4 without AP, and it does poor limb damage with AP, but JHP on the battle rifles generally does just fuck up nerds

[earnest osprey]

Ga51/G3 > sa58

[marble flume]

His point is he's trying to say I'm bad at the game because I use full-auto against cheating AI

[languid dagger]

No I said your bad because you said full auto is a requirement. And kept arguing with people.

And bragged about beating elephant first tried on hard.

[marble flume]

Without really addressing just how stupid the AI is on Hard difficulty

[honest fern]

Im not gna say ur bad since u managed to 16/18 hard, but your point about full auto being a requirement is plain wrong

And we alr acknowledged the AI's wallhacks and aimbots lmao

[languid dagger]

I actually did @marble flume

[honest fern]

^^^

[marble flume]

I was getting my shit run by suspects wallbanging my ass when trying to use more reasonable weapons like shotguns or even the 5.56 rifles with AP, to the point where a full-auto battle rifle was actually needed.

[languid dagger]

I mentioned numerous times I get the pain on hard mode ai

But you arguing and also accusing me of not beating elephant on hard. Shows your just salty.

[marble flume]

I will say, a suspect holding a hostage is actually the one time they can't hit shit, but they often just shoot the fuckin hostage cause this game is stupid

[marble flume]

At this point I'm just throwing a bit of shade because "skill issue" and "realism" seems to be the two arguments anyone ever has about this game, despite this game not being realistic whatsoever and a lot of bullshit in this game that's completely out of your control without outright cheesing the game yourself

[languid dagger]

I originally was on your side until you started being a salty little baby.

And started throwing accusations straight bs and overall whining about how the game isn't fair when your not even playing optimally

Full auto isn't cheesing the game

It's a choice whether you think it works for you.

[marble flume]

"cheesing the game" is shit like "using the mirrorgun around every corner", "using the M32A1", stuff like that

[languid dagger]

None of that is cheesing the game.

That's playing like a actual tactical shooter.

[marble flume]

IMO, full-auto IS optimal as it boosts the odds that you down a suspect faster than you would've on semi-auto.

Its not optimal for your overall ammunition, but thats at least a fixable issue

[valid raven]

Is RPM if you were to continuously fire the gun for a minute straight how many rounds would be fired?

[honest fern]

Yes

[languid dagger]

This is a fine statement

It's your attitude and accusations that make you look like an ass.

[marble flume]

If you literally need to wallhack the enemy AI to prevent them from wallhacking you, the game is NOT a tactical shooter anymore. Its not even a shooter at that point

[honest fern]

Its a swat simulation, mirrorgun is something real life SWAT teams use

Its not wallhacking its getting information about the room ur about to breach into

[languid dagger]

How is a mirror gun wall hacking?

It's literally a real tactic

[marble flume]

No it isn't; even actual SWAT people have said this isn't true

[languid dagger]

My brother in christ it's a swat simulation

You crying into the void saying "NUH UH" isn't gonna make the game call of duty

[marble flume]

No, its a sequel to SWAT 4 which has the same thing. Thats the only reason the Optiwand is in this game; its not an actual tactical device

[languid dagger]

ITS A SWAT SIMULATOR HOLY SHIT

[valid raven]

why do so many people prefer military ROE rather than police ROE?

[marble flume]

Also, I remember when you couldn't actually use the mirrorgun underneath metal doors as they completely block the underside of the door, but it seems they removed that at some point because realism just doesn't matter anymore lmao

[valid raven]

What about snake cams?

[marble flume]

Because this game uses military RoE; honestly, the RoE is so loose in this game that even the military would blush

[valid raven]

It doesn’t really

SWAT ROE is a thing

[marble flume]

those do exist, but SWAT wouldn't snake cam every door. Hell, if you're sending SWAT into an area, they're gonna be moving pretty damn fast

[languid dagger]

Your terrible at the game dawg. You have to full auto in order to beat elephant.

One of the easiest maps

[valid raven]

You know what would be cool though

[crude prism]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[languid dagger]

Hell I've died on lethal obsession more then elephant

[marble flume]

Let me explain to you this game's "Rules of Engagement":

You can literally shoot a suspect for any reason regardless of what he's doing, as long as his knees aren't currently touching the ground. He doesn't even need to be holding a weapon and you can still shoot him.

[valid raven]

Not true

You have to give a chance for surrender

[honest fern]

They actually changed it in recent update

[marble flume]

Absolutely correct lmao, I have not gotten an RoE penalty for killing every suspect on sight without even announcing that I'm SWAT.

What you're referring to is what this game's RoE actually USED to be

[languid dagger]

If he's surrendering or considering surrendering. You will lose points.

[valid raven]

Wtf

[honest fern]

U can shoot at them without shouting and u wont lose points, but yes u lose points if theyre surrendering

[languid dagger]

This guy is just rage baiting and an idiot

[valid raven]

don’t you get more points if you bring them in alive though

[marble flume]

In 1.0, you did actually have to yell at a guy and see what he did before you could shoot at them without a penalty, which is what SWAT 4's ROE also was

[honest fern]

U do

[marble flume]

Granted, the issue with that was the suspect AI was so fast you'd just eat shit before you could even fire your weapon after a complaince yell

[valid raven]

I wonder if there’s a detailed chart about how much moral out damage, each less lethal gear does

Like i know C2 does a lot

A lot of people have gotten mad at me for using C2 on a unlocked door to scare suspects

[marble flume]

I love how you constantly fail to mention that this was on Hard difficulty, and that Elephant is one of the few maps where you HAVE to rush in order to prevent civilian casualties and the bombs from going off, and that you only have 8 minutes on Hard to diarm both bombs

[valid raven]

Apparently, there’s a panic mechanic for suspects

[marble flume]

Why? This absolutely makes sense lmao

[valid raven]

I hate timers in games like this

[crude prism]

Perhaps a spreadsheet of some sort might... (it's the 4th to last tab, morale/stress/nonlethals)

#👮ron-discussion message

[languid dagger]

Again I beat on hard A+ first try

It's an easy map

[marble flume]

The bomb timer is honestly far less of an issue than the actual Active Shooter Timer, and you're fighting both timers at once

[languid dagger]

Simple just shoot them

[valid raven]

The reason why is it forces players to rush

I understand adding tension, but the game already has enough tension without arbitrary timers

[marble flume]

Well, after I yet again had a suspect wallbang me through five bookshelves with an entire magazine, I swapped to a full-auto .308 and became the active shooter

[valid raven]

Suspect locations are random on each play through correct?

[marble flume]

To be honest, I don't even know why Elephant is an "active shooter" map, as most of the shooting's already happened and its more of a barricaded hostage situation than anything else.

[ancient pivot]

Can i use the mirror gun for the toxic fume achievement?

[marble flume]

Its a barricaded hostage map that has bombs on a timer that becomes an active shooter map after 2.5 minutes. Honestly, I just don't get how this makes any sense at all

[honest fern]

Theres "seeds" where they spawn in a fixed location, but the seed you get each playthrough is randomized

[marble flume]

I guess its so you can still get an S rank, but I'd rather the suspects start targeting civilians immediately and the objective is to prevent MOST civilian casualties instead of all of them

I think thats another reason I don't like how your officers are always stressed after this particular mission, as there's other missions that are honestly way worse than this one and you can prevent any currently alive civilians from even getting killed in the first place

How does Elephant always stress your officers out, but Neon Tomb doesn't, which has a LOT worse of a bodycount and is done by a proper terrorist organization using fucking bomber vests?

[grave anchor]

is there a way to choose which side of door your squad stack up

[marble flume]

Indeed there is, but not always

Sometimes I think there just isn't enough room so you can do the default stack, but by using the command menu you can pick what side you want or to just split the stack

[agile lava]

Doing my first playthrough

Just finished valley of dolls

[marble flume]

I do quickplay now cause I hate how my officers are babies

[honest fern]

I think its calculated by the % of suspects u arrest / incapacitate, with elephant having such a low amt of suspects thats why the % is higher

[marble flume]

No, its LITERALLY hard-coded that you always lose a lot of stress on Elephant specifically

Also you have a Restart button.

me restarting neon tomb for the third time cause the main guy ate ten bullets

[honest fern]

Then u gotta ask the devs, cuz tht doesnt make sense

[marble flume]

I know, right lmao

Commander mode is good for less lethal runs though

[agile lava]

Is it bad i lowkey empty the clip on all the bad guys💔

[grave anchor]

my stack command doesnt give me a choice... just is "stack"

[marble flume]

Bad. Probably.

Very fun? Definitely lmao

[agile lava]

I lowkey aired out the dude on valley of dolls after the things he said

The dad guy

[marble flume]

Yeah, you're stuck to Stack if there isn't much room

[marble flume]

I don't really care personally, "bad guy doing bad things" barely affects me anymore

That being said, the amount of times I've killed the Hand Leader on Neon Tomb is staggering lmao

[honest fern]

The leader almost always spawns at security room

So i know where to flash to get him

[agile lava]

I did that one once and woke up my parents cuz a dude with a bomb vest was behind a door✌️

[marble flume]

Honestly, if I shot every asshole on every map I'd probably kill like 75% of the civilians in the fucking game lmao

[agile lava]

one thing that made me mad was sometimes the civillians run away and i spend 20 mins lookiny for them just to shoot one to restart

[honest fern]

Or they run at you and u only have 0.5 second to decide whether or not to shoot

And if u guess wrong u get knifed to death

[marble flume]

I swear some civilians bust a door like the fucking Koolaid man

[honest fern]

They legit run like maniacs at you

Shit scares me sometimes

Ive been jumpscared more in this game than some horror games ive played

[agile lava]

im stuck on sins of father rn and i accidentally killed a civ cuz he was wearing a vest and i thought it was a bad guy so i clip dumped him🥀🥀

[honest fern]

Vest? U mean tuxedo?

I dont rmb any civs wearing a vest in that mission

[agile lava]

ITS A TUX?

Im just blind i guess💔

[honest fern]

Wait actually i think i rmb theres a journalist wearing a vest in there

[marble flume]

Civilians path to you once Order is brought to Chaos, but they can jumpscare you

[agile lava]

Anyways that guys stupid and deserved it😁

[honest fern]

No sometimes when theres still other suspects they get scared of the shootings/yelling and run, and the direction they run in might be the wrong one

[agile lava]

Whata the best weapon in the game chat

[honest fern]

Theres a spreadsheet with each weapons' recoil, bullet spread, penetration etc., just google it, i think its in reddit

[marble flume]

Yeah thats the one time you catch an RoE penalty, and usually you're also marked for death too lmao

If you use less lethal on a guy thats surrendered you also catch a penalty, and I really fucking hate that

[glass willow]

they really have to make it so enemies, especially unarmoured enemies, cant just power through some 7.62 nato to the chest on hard mode. In fact, remove the additional health on hard mode, its stupid

[marble flume]

7.62 to the chest should basicaly be a guaranteed stun, I think

[glass willow]

im mostly talking about the fact that they arent even fazed, no stun or anything

[glass willow]

exactly

[marble flume]

Eh, its a 60% chance with JHP, so there's actually a decent chance they shrug that shit if it doesn't one-shot them (which it won't on Hard lmao)

[glass willow]

i find it incredibly dumb how on hard mode they have extra health

the extra everything else makes it hard. Extra health is completely artificial difficulty

[marble flume]

Its a guaranteed stun against armor, which hilariously means that battle rifles are actually better against armored targets than unarmored targets

[magic hound]

It makes almost no difference, other than 7.62x51 not oneshotting anymore

[honest fern]

Also doesnt make sense how drug addicts have the same aim as ex-special forces

[marble flume]

Hard in general is completely artificial difficulty

[glass willow]

it makes an incredible difference actually. The extra health means it takes an extra couple shots to put down anyone, and because of their crazy ass aim and reaction time, thats a guaranteed fuckton of damage on you

i'm trying to beat the missions on hard just to get that achievement but my god, greased palms

[magic hound]

I tried modding the maps to be more varied in terms of archetypes
But this effectively made easier maps play kinda like standard

[gusty storm]

Oh my god, neon tomb

[magic hound]

Takes you a couple of extra shots because you don't use JHP)

[gusty storm]

greased palm ain't shit compared to neon tomb tbh

[marble flume]

JHP still doesn't one-shot anyone on Hard

[honest fern]

Relapse was the hardest for me to S rank

[magic hound]

Hide n Seek on Hard I expect to be batshit ridiculous, everything else should be fine

[glass willow]

neon tomb is honestly easier for me. That fucking mail room in greased palms where everyone everywhere can shoot you just sucks

[marble flume]

Yeah I'm doing the Hard mission and Relapse is really busting my balls

[gusty storm]

For real

[honest fern]

Theres usually 5-6 suspects in each of the bomb rooms that can shoot you from 3-4 different directions its ridiculous

[marble flume]

Hence why I was saying earlier that full-auto is the meta on Hard lmao. It also makes wallbangs easier with AP rounds

[magic hound]

It 2 shots guaranteed . 300/7.62
AP on standard take like 5-6 hits to limbs, up to 6-7 on hard

[gusty storm]

Are your balls still fine after that?

[glass willow]

everyones hyping up jhp so imma actually try it

[marble flume]

JHP is the play, don't get me wrong, but there's still a 40% chance a suspect shrugs the first shot with no reaction at all

[magic hound]

7.62x39 JHP wallbangs and shreds - it's a total package

[magic hound]

60% is much better than 20%))

[glass willow]

How’s 7.62 NATO jhp against armoured suspects?

[marble flume]

I indeed like the AK myself

[magic hound]

Also, I never wait to see if 1 bullet was enough lol

[magic hound]

Penetrates lvl 3

[magic hound]

NATO only has 20 rnds though and isn't great for full auto

[marble flume]

It works though, especially on the G3s

[magic hound]

Embrace the AK 😄

[marble flume]

Oh yeah, it does have 300 pen still even with JHP.

I'll keep that in mind

[honest fern]

AK?

[magic hound]

. 300 and 5.56 JHP suffer from very low material pen . even a piece of glass may stop it

[glass willow]

I am too set in my ways to use anything other than big boom

[marble flume]

Don't get me wrong; you can never go wrong with the fuckin .308s lmao

[magic hound]

It does in a controlled environment, but on Hard you re gonna get rushed and spraying on full auto in response is legit

[honest fern]

I know it wont make sense, but i can imagine how funny it would be if we actually get lethal grenade launchers

[marble flume]

7.62x51mm JHP is absolutely, horrendously fucked in this game

[marble flume]

I love the shotguns on Standard, but goddamn, whiffing even a single shot on Hard is certain death.

Also, shotguns can't shoot through a piece of cardboard, which occasionally fucks you

[magic hound]

To me personally Ga51 isn't great canted or hipfired and this is something I need for solo Hard

[marble flume]

I didn't have any issues canted tbh

[magic hound]

One whiffed shot is death? Are you using pumps or smth? M1014 is the way

[marble flume]

I do like the pumps. Even the semi-autos don't work though; every once in a while you just seemingly won't hit a mfer at all and he just beams you with a FAL

[magic hound]

It's just too fkn bulky, and the offset between laser optic and barrel is kinda big in close range

[magic hound]

That's cause you have to learn the height bore with shotguns. They are especially affected

[marble flume]

I never use a laser, I use a flashlight and hipfire with that shit lol

[magic hound]

Yeah, exactly. You're not hitting where you are aiming though

[marble flume]

I don't think that affects the shotguns at all honestly, and if it does it actually affects in the opposite direction where it seems to shoot too high

[inner notch]

im like an hour into neon tomb looking for qadamah. all other objectives completed. not on the map. everyone is dead or cuffed. glitch?

[marble flume]

He might be incapped somewhere if the objective isn't marked as failed

[magic hound]

Depends on the gun. Usually, bullets go to the left and up of the flashlight center

[inner notch]

that’s what I was reading but everyone is dead or cuffed, and it’s not failed 😭

[magic hound]

And shotguns are affected especially, you can test it in range

[neat crown]

Any idea if there’ll be a sale soon? Sorry to bother

[honest fern]

No idea, maybe autumn sale?

[marble flume]

I do admittedly cant guns less often than I used to, though

[magic hound]

Canted was bugged in DLC3 release, but now it works perfectly

[glass willow]

Okay 7.62x51 JHP is the ticket on hard holy shit

[magic hound]

Welcome to the big leagues)

[glass willow]

I’ve been soloing these missions with ap being frustrated as fuck now im actually killing people in a realistic amount of time

[marble flume]

Yeah its nasty lol.

It doesn't pen level 4, but honestly it doesn't need to

[inner notch]

just found him right before you messaged haha ty 🫶🏼

[magic hound]

There are like 4-5 maps across the whole game where you actually need pen 4

[marble flume]

Its cause limb shots with AP is the seventh circle of hell

Also why slugs are complete balls lol

[honest fern]

Suspects shouldnt be able to tank shotguns shots

[marble flume]

They don't with buckshot, unless they have armor or the game just eats shit

[honest fern]

Their organs shouldve ruptured and ribs broken by the first shot

[ancient pivot]

Commander mode is kinda lame, first time I’m playing it since launch

[marble flume]

Its like Quickplay but less fun lol

[honest fern]

Its good for solo nonlethal runs

[magic hound]

Buckshot has 0 pen on paper but in my hands it has pen 10 😄

[honest fern]

Since u cant give your AI nonlethal guns in quickplay

[magic hound]

You get traits though

Use traits to solo missions, leave AI at spawn

Slugs behave kinda like pistol rounds, very hard dmg fall off

[magic hound]

No idea, buckshot is godly though

That said, to make it enjoyable, you kinda need mods for Commander, at least the way I see it

[honest fern]

Doesnt mods lock achievements?

[magic hound]

Nope

At least, didn't previously

I wouldn't go for achievement hunting in Commander though, takes too long to restart

[agile lava]

Im on neon tomb rn and wanna ens it all

[magic hound]

Hard or standard? , btw is gas broken on standard too?

[crude prism]

Gas grenades are ~fine~ on Standard, not good at all though.

40mm gas is still horrible on both

[honest fern]

Gas is broken on all modes

Just use flash, 100x better

[restive mulch]

use no vest and a revolver

[magic hound]

Tbh, that's just as well, neon tomb for instance was trivial with gas before

[magic hound]

Let me take a shield and it's easy timsz

[crude prism]

Neon tomb is still trivial as long as you don't SUCK 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐 🦐

[gusty storm]

Hard

standard for coward

Hard for big sweaty oily muscular men 🗣️

[digital bobcat]

love doing this on rust belt, makes me feel like a real cowboy

[marble flume]

Standard for standard gamers, Hard for the true masochists

[agile lava]

I finished neon tomb

[gusty storm]

🔥🗣️🤝

[agile lava]

lowk pooped myself whej i saw a dude in a vest outside my door😭

[floral peak]

Neon tomb is easy, just don’t go to dance floor straight away

[crude prism]

Neon is a vibe, I love putting the shitheads in their place

Satisfying map

[gusty storm]

Also love seeing dem girls

[floral peak]

These guys still better than Voll tho

[marble flume]

Hard Relapse is is interesting because there's disguised suspects AND bomb vests, so if you see some fuck with a bomb vest you also have to figure out if he's a civilian or a suspect.

Its interesting because shooting a civilian with a vest kills you instantly lmao

[floral peak]

Disguise is not that hard, there only 2 variants in disguise and it’s really easy to spot them

The voice already should blow their cover

Plus you can see pistol on the waist most of the times

[marble flume]

Disguises in general aren't TOO hard to tell, but when its a guy in a bomb vest you really gotta be quick about that shit

Of course, Hard difficulty makes every fucker on this map with a battle rifle the second coming of the Terminator

[agile lava]

Its either a whole clip or restarting the mission💔

[floral peak]

Yeah, and not like on neon tomb, the guys with bombwest have a gun with them

[marble flume]

I dunno if its only on Hard, but on Neon Tomb I've literally had a fucker with an RPK aiming at the front fuckin door lmao

[floral peak]

Yeah, happens sometimes, I don’t think it’s Hard mode issue

I’m so cooked in this game, I remember almost every single suspect spawn/location on every map

[marble flume]

that IS pretty cooked lol

[floral peak]

What 26/26 Hard S do to mf:

[marble flume]

The only way I'd ever shoot for 18/18 Hard S is if it unlocked HE rounds for the M32A1

[floral peak]

Well, we can’t have HE rounds, we are police after all

And sometimes we are marines

Like bro when d platoon gets promotion for all that shit

[restive mulch]

come as you are

[marble flume]

If it unlokced HE, then fuck I'd go for it lmao. Maybe only in singleplayer though, HE in Multiplayer wouldn't go over well

[floral peak]

Don’t trust this guy, he has a gun

[restive mulch]

but I want you as a trend or a friend

[floral peak]

A friend? Sure

[restive mulch]

I love you

[glass willow]

The downfall of AP on hard mode needs to be studied cause holy shit

I went from barely being able to make it in the house while soloing Valley of the Dolls to almost clearing the whole level. Tmrw i’m gonna solo this goddamn mission

[agile lava]

Im on carriers of the vine

Why are there grannies strapped up😭

[honest fern]

Cultists

[marble flume]

cultists that are REALLY good with fucking battle rifles

[honest fern]

Hey man, u should be questioning how the drug addicts got that aim instead

[dense yacht]

theyre fucking locked in

[marble flume]

at least the druggies got some pretty shitass weapons, the old ladies club has a selection of fuckin M14s, FALs and shotguns lmao

[agile lava]

Yea wtf i just tried it for the 3rd time

[brave spoke]

How to get S= give your squad Flashbang gun

[magic hound]

Same) some maps I could do blindfolded, relapse is one of those

[calm fractal]

Tell civs to run to exit or ignore and kill threat? Terrorists keep doming the civs in neon tomb

[eternal crow]

What the fuck is the door kick animation

This looks horrible, change it back

@gaunt gale no like seriously this looks terrible y’all need to revert it

[deep sentinel]

Is there a more recent SWAT 4 vo overhaul?

I want one for TOC but I cant find a decent one

[eternal crow]

That is abysmal looking seriously im like astonished by how bad it looks

[cloud tree]

Wait, the game is actually kinda fixed 😭 😭 😭

[eternal crow]

Yeah but the new door kick is fucking atrocious

[robust yarrow]

It ain't that bad bro

[eternal crow]

It’s trash

[deep sentinel]

In no way is it THAT bad gng 😭

[eternal crow]

Looks ridiculous

[deep sentinel]

Have a cry dude i'm sure you can live with it

[eternal crow]

Real mature

[deep sentinel]

So is complaining this much about an animation

[eternal crow]

The first reworked door kick looked great, why change it again? Considering it’s a common part of the game, that’s a noticeable blemish

It’s a common thing you’ll see

[stone bay]

Hardest mission after buy cheap buy twice?

[stark agate]

hey uh... Why don't NPCs have the bleedout mechanic except on shots that would be immediately fatal?

[deep sentinel]

The new animation is perfectly fine, in no way are you going to be using just your leg to kick a door open

[eternal crow]

What does that even mean

[stone bay]

That would be bad if they bleed out

[stark agate]

I actually kinda like how it feels like the officer is SWINGING that weight into the door.

[eternal crow]

What the fuck else would you use? Your hands???

[robust yarrow]

It looks more natural

[eternal crow]

That’s funny

That’s the most unnatural looking thing I’ve seen

[stark agate]

I mean... Hear me out. I think there should be a much slower bleed out, and when they're wounded, the enemies should retreat, in groups, they should like... help each other to retreat.

[deep sentinel]

The old animation was literally you just flailing your leg at the door, The new animation you actually put the entire weight of your body into the kick. Its not meant to look cool ita meant to look realistic

[stark agate]

Dude without body armor takes a 5.56 center mass, I don't think he'll be fine for long if he isn't incapacitated.

[stone bay]

Good point

[eternal crow]

They reworked it a third time

The first rework looked good, they changed it again and it looks stupid

[stone bay]

Whats the hardest mission after buy cheap buy twice?

[eternal crow]

It looked fine before the most recent patch

[robust yarrow]

hide and Seek

[stark agate]

I think this would also add to the experience as you now have to search out previously engaged enemies who might have sat down against a wall and bled out like a couple minutes later, or extra suspects might surrender because they were caught rendering lifesaving aid to their buddies.

[formal quest]

One question do we get mods for console ? Or skin packs to creat officers from different nations , or patches with different flags. Like addons to buy ?

[stone bay]

I thought that buy cheap buy twice would be smthing like 4u gasstation but i already died twice there. One time i got cheated on by the ai

[jolly verge]

Bleed chance value on caliber/ammo type and if you hit artery hitbox

[deep sentinel]

It looks stupid because as I literally said it's NOT MEANT TO LOOK GOOD BUT REALISTIC yo've clearly never seen someone kick a door open if you're complaining about this when it's a massive improvement over the old animation

[stone bay]

Guy what are we thinking will be the next expansion pack that will launch in 2026?

[stark agate]

as opposed to the AI typically being more pushy, and aggressive in firefights, leading to a lot of shooting them out in the open and fights being very quickly decided in every room.

Actually... Is there a way I can set it to 100% bleed chance but with a slower bleed depending on the hit?

[robust yarrow]

It was pretty hard the first time I tried it, mostly due to visibility. I cleared it the moment I put NODs on instead of telegraphing myself with white light all the time. Same thing with Hide and Seek

[stone bay]

Im on my first playthrough, could you clarify nod for me pls??

[robust yarrow]

Night vision goggles

[stark agate]

Night vision goggles

[stone bay]

Green or white nvg?

[robust yarrow]

I'd recommend white, it has much better visibility

[stone bay]

What were your steps in the mission?

[stone bay]

Il try white then

[marble flume]

I actually love flashlights because they all but tell you exactly where enemies are, since they'll make comments when they see it and give away their position

[robust yarrow]

It was a long time since I almost never replay that mission, but I'm pretty sure I cleared the outside area first through the left, then the garage, then moved into the main building

[stark agate]

I have a pair of each, they're both about as good IRL. Green tends to be a bit much when you're on it for hours at a time, White tends to be a bit much when you get into the bright environments.

[marble flume]

I prefer green, yeah

[stark agate]

I wish I could get my hands on the unfilmed green tubes, but they stopped making them around 2016

[stone bay]

Whats your fave mission to replay?

[robust yarrow]

Yeah I always use flashlight cuz it's so useful, you can distinguish colors and PID more easily, it's just on BCBT and Hide and Seek I use NODs instead cuz I feel like a lighthouse for bullets

[full dune]

the difficulty gap between medium and hard is crazy

[robust yarrow]

The quicker ones like 4U, Fast Food and 23mb, but my favorite mission ever is in my name

[marble flume]

on Hide and Seek you're basically just a lighthouse for bullets anyway lol

[marble flume]

There is no gap, its across a bridge and the bridge ain't even there anymore

[stone bay]

Guy what are we thinking will be the next expansion pack that will launch in 2026?

[stark agate]

I always found Sinuous trail pretty difficult.

[stone bay]

The mindjot one?

[stark agate]

yes.

[digital bobcat]

Miami Stories

[stark agate]

The servers HAVE to be got around, and when you do that, you're opening up to the hazards of tubular assault..

[digital bobcat]

(I just want a Hotline Miami remake)

[full dune]

i get 1 shot in hard so i swiched it to medium and now i'm a tank who can handle getting shot 50 times 🤣

[stone bay]

I found that one very easy actually. I was lucky tho because almost 60% of the suspects were in one big room so i could take them out.

[stone bay]

What?

[marble flume]

Yeah Hard difficulty has a higher damage cap for the player, and the enemies are absolute snipers with every weapon in the game

[stark agate]

Or you're going THROUGH the server rooms, and taking a lot of odd angles of exposure at once.

[robust yarrow]

The trick is to not use white light and only yell if they don't see you, cleared it the first time I started doing this

[full dune]

it took me like 5 days and i couldnt beat in on hard so i switched it to medium, passed first try

[marble flume]

Yell? The only reason I ever yell on Hide and Seek is to check if a Civilian is actually a suspect or not

[stone bay]

The ai yells tho

Swat ai. Can i make them not yell?

[stark agate]

I just play it one whatever it is. I don't find the OG 2022 Ready or Not experience to be that appealing.

[marble flume]

Also I think the pepperball pistol is good there because you can shoot someone standing still, and if they start moving its a suspect

[stone bay]

I spawn at car store and at spawn my swat ai yells at someone who i dont even see

[robust yarrow]

Nope nothing we can do about that

[stone bay]

It lit destroys stealth

[stark agate]

Yeah. Copying SWAT 4 beat for beat is a bit of a limiter.

[full dune]

Murder them.

[stone bay]

What a good idea😭💀

[stark agate]

I also don't like when TOC speaks. Like... At all. I want my "The suspects have bleed damage too" mod.

[deep sentinel]

Download Rico's Immersive TOC its fucking amazing

[eternal crow]

and is the AI supposed to act like theyre on crack cocaine or is that also busted

they all just run around like dumbasses spraying and praying and coming out of every door and converging on your position all at once

i feel like im playing fucking call of duty

[deep sentinel]

And is all you do complain?

[digital bobcat]

replicating real life

[stark agate]

They were less aggressive before the patch to bring it to consoles

[eternal crow]

perfectly valid critcism; IS ALL U DO IS COMPLAIN??? STOP CRITCIZING LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS ass take

this is supposed to be a slow methodical room clearing tactical shooter, not COD

i dont mind more aggressive AI but theres no flow to this anymore

[tired jungle]

How i sleep knowing that it ain't that deep and i can just play with my friends who know how the game works

[eternal crow]

i dont feel like im playing a tense swat shooter

[deep sentinel]

Idk about you but my game is entirely full of slow methodical room clearing and I dont have a single AI mod downloaded

[eternal crow]

😐

[stark agate]

Like I said, they used to be less aggressive AFTER engaging. They're about AS hesitant to engage at this point.

[robust yarrow]

Idk if they changed sus AI but it seems like they're taking hostages a lot more often now

[eternal crow]

i was just playing with my friends and the AI on Ides of march and Sins of the Father all just rush out of the rooms and bum rushing us

[tired jungle]

That has been increased

[toxic harness]

The changes are noticeable if comparing Standard and Hard

[stone bay]

On sins of the father i lost a civ on my first of three playtroughs bcs they executed them

[dense rampart]

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[stone bay]

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[dense rampart]

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[robust yarrow]

Sometimes I get 3 hostage situations in the same level like c'mon

[dense rampart]

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[frosty kindle]

Are you with us?

[dense rampart]

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[robust yarrow]

John MK Ultra

[deep sentinel]

all of them? or jst some

[frosty kindle]

are you sentient

[gritty lava]

Add b hopping, and running faster

And you got csgo

[magic hound]

That actually makes it easier. Clearing out those fckd up rooms is much riskier

[eternal crow]

Getting an S rank is going to be much harder

[magic hound]

A very useful utility of flashlight is using it to bait them, as long as you know what you're doing

[cloud tree]

The world heals as RON gets better

[magic hound]

I don't really imagine s ranking hard to be a rewarding experience. Especially, after the gas nerf

[magic hound]

Definitely not in single player

[stoic thistle]

Any advice for S ranking Hide and Seek?

[magic hound]

I find it tailored to lethal, especially when soloing. Forcing compliance is a luxury. The game flows much better when I go just KOS, they often surrender after I drop a couple of bodies in front of them

[magic hound]

Don't lol. Otherwise, shield will save you

Shield in general is a better mirrorgun, plus it protects your back even not equipped

[bitter kayak]

i keep getting screen tearing anyone know a fix? its only with RoN im getting it

[magic hound]

If I was S ranking it with AI, I'd Frontline with a shield, draw fire and let AI beanbag them

[tired jungle]

Reset video settings

[bitter kayak]

appreciate that bro

[ruby tree]

I need tips for hide and seek

[magic hound]

Man, lvar is such a satisfying piece of hardware. Haven't used it in literally years

[magic hound]

Lethal? Shield, mk50 magnum, buckshot semi auto shotgun, laser sights+canted

Im not trolling, btw

Buckshot does full dmg at any range and it's great for taking out far away/concealed targets, since you don't need pixel perfect aim

[wicked charm]

I think the Scorpion would be an interesting SMG

[ruby tree]

Lethal as it get

Wich slugs

[magic hound]

Not slugs, slugs are shit

[ruby tree]

Ok

Am using 590m

The shotgun

[marble flume]

Yes; park them at the back of the map lol

[rigid tartan]

Is anybody else experiencing disconnection from lobbies when they try to join from invites.

[stone bay]

I aint going in alone

[ancient pivot]

What is the most powerful assault rifle

[cloud tree]

Any rifle that shoots a 7.62x51mm

I personally like the ones that looks like an MP5

[bold horizon]

Nah

[ancient pivot]

Is m16 good?

[cloud tree]

Personally I don’t like it. It has too much recoil

They have a 5.56x45mm version

[ancient pivot]

Then what assault rifle has the best chance to one shot

[ruby tree]

For ga465

[ancient pivot]

I like single fire btw

[cloud tree]

There isn’t one. But a rifle that shoots a 7.62x51mm will only require 2 shoots minimum. Even against some of the toughest armor

[ancient pivot]

M16?

[magic hound]

Mk50 lol

[ancient pivot]

Why can’t I find any find you all are naming?

guns

Where’s mk50

[gritty lava]

Side arms second or third to last

[cloud tree]

Dude, just try all of them and see which one you like.

[stone bay]

Garage is in the back (outside) of the main building?

[ancient pivot]

M16 has gotten me far

[robust yarrow]

Yes

[valid raven]

do you have to directly be pointing at someone when you yell for compliance?

[stone bay]

Im using the p90, its good against armor

[valid raven]

Or just nearby

[stone bay]

Alr

[valid raven]

Thats what it’s designed for

[cloud tree]

That doesn’t shoot a 7.62x51mm. I think you meant the MK17

[valid raven]

could two weapons that fire, the same caliber behave vastly differently?

[cloud tree]

Imma try it out then. Didn’t it used to shoot a 9mm?

[robust yarrow]

There isn't even a playable M16 in the game

[valid raven]

I would assume so

[stone bay]

I would not use high caliber rifles cause you will kill the suspect with less shots more probable

[stone bay]

No, its powerful

[valid raven]

5.7 mm

Is the round a P90 fires

[stone bay]

If you want to arrest a suspect its better with smaller caliber guns

[stone bay]

50 round mag is crazy op

[valid raven]

5.7x28 mm

FMJ or JHP?

[stone bay]

Fmj i think

[valid raven]

I believe FMJ has better penetration but is more prone to over penetration and JHP is better at staying inside of unarmed targets and not over penetrating

Like FMJ goes through you and JHP stays in you

However JHP can’t penetrate body amor as effectively

[glass heart]

this is why real cops almost exclusively use hollow points or soft points (despite that overpenetration issues have resulted in unfortunate incidents)

[robust yarrow]

JHP is better for incaps on limb hits

[valid raven]

Also the reason why hollow points are not used in warfare is not because its a warcrime

[glass heart]

banned because they cause unncessary suffering

[valid raven]

It’s because it cant penetrate body armor as well

[glass heart]

thats the practical reason

no military would use hollowpoints against a near peer, only against insurgents

(or anyone without body armor)

pretty sure that even rifle hollowpoints will smoke through soft armor tho, both in game and in reality

[valid raven]

A lot of that soft armor is only really designed to protect against blades

[glass heart]

kevlar was definitely designed against ballistic threats, just low velocity ones

[valid raven]

Like anti stab vests

[glass heart]

because of the equation of kinetic energy the faster a projectile goes it does exponentially more damage

[valid raven]

why would a SWAT team even wear an anti-stab vest

[glass heart]

they would never just wear an anti stab vest in any situation

[valid raven]

when targets that they were deployed against typically armed with guns

[ancient pivot]

1st room in valley of the dolls is my test firing range

[glass heart]

but then again they would never bring ONLY beanbags and pepperballs into a kinetic scenario, so this games makes a very big departure from reality in a lot of ways

[valid raven]

The only tire I’ve ever heard of police using those stuff is riot control

like to disperse a riot or something like that

[glass heart]

if you have a barricaded suspect that is not an immediate threat to others YET (sitting down holding a knife) then you do use LTL

there have been plenty of succesful resolutions of such incidents using them, and others where LTL did not work

[valid raven]

at a certain distance if they have a knife drawn, they can get over to you before you have a chance to pull out a pistol and fire

[glass heart]

ofcourse they had lethal cover

using LTL without lethal cover is asking to get hurt, officers never handled those solo

[valid raven]

I’ve seen videos were a taser for some reason it doesn’t start outputting electricity

[magic hound]

Well, high caliber JHP pens lvl 3 and even 4,6 and 5.7 JHP pens lvl 2

[glass heart]

if both prongs dont make a solid connection they dont form a circuit meaning the electricity has no effect

clothes/ a bad angle can prevent a connection

[valid raven]

Do you think those barbs that had into the skin would hurt to get hit by?

[glass heart]

i have not been tased myself but i have heard from people that have that the prongs arent the worst of it

[valid raven]

I know they can and have drawn blood

that one time they were considering a rifle variant of a taser

[glass heart]

it hurts because all of your muscles involuntarily contract and seize which is what incapacitates temporarily

[valid raven]

But the velocity was way to high

[ancient pivot]

I like when their face falls out when I blast them with a shotgun

[glass heart]

i havent heard of that, only the XREP (Mossberg x Taser collaboration, basically a beanbag shotgun firing taser cartridges)

[valid raven]

The project was canceled because they couldn’t get the velocity down

[glass heart]

they would lodge into the skin and deliver a similar shock in theory, in practice they were unreliable and the ammunition was finnicky

[valid raven]

In ballistic tests it would penetrate way too far and if on a person who would do more damage then was woth it

I mean, it was tested on human alnologs

[unkempt pendant]

i only got enough for one or the other should i get dark waters or home invasion

i feel like home invasion would be cool since its like a home and thats cool

[stone bay]

Does a flashbang, stinger or gas granade scare suspects to surrender?

[unkempt pendant]

all im pretty sure

[stone bay]

in bigger rooms where it might not impact them

[stone bay]

And launcher?

[unkempt pendant]

yeah

[stone bay]

I think less tho.

[stone bay]

Even then it scares them?

[unkempt pendant]

i mean idk i havent really tested any of that

[lofty hearth]

why nvg reduced my fov when turn on, is this a feature ???

[cloud tree]

Dude I hope they make a supermarket map. It would be perfect

So many hidden spots

[lofty hearth]

supermarket bomb threat

like relapse

[cloud tree]

A supermarket is huge. They got the aisles and the warehouse. Restrooms, break rooms, etc…

😭 😭

Suspects could probably hide in a refrigerator

[lofty hearth]

relapse is huge as well, almost lose my mind on that map, and lose 2 of my officer but lucky get A+

[stoic thistle]

At least relapse is linear, unlike Greased Palms or Hide and Seek.

[lofty hearth]

big ass open areas, suddenly, there is no CQB anymore

[ancient pivot]

Wish there was more blood

[stone bay]

Airport map

[cloud tree]

Yesssssssssssss!!!!!

There would be a big food court. Maybe suspects can hide in the airplanes

[stone bay]

1. strom into a hijacked plane,
2. Suspects in airport, defuse bombs

[cloud tree]

Oh my god I just milked myself

[stone bay]

Dude wtf💀

[robust yarrow]

I've been wanting an airport/plane map since forever

[wispy junco]

P diddy rescue map 😄