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An M16A4 would be pretty rad though. I tried using the MP5s on burst-fire, but it didn't go well cause the MP5s are shit
Till its done.
Its in the game and it used to be useable but its just a suspect rifle now.
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If it was in the game we'll probably get it at some point; the same was true for the M14
im tryna make a patrol officer kit based off a lapd patrol officer but they dont have the FN 509
Yeah. They took the m14 and just realeasd the SOCOM-16 which used to be a attachment for it.
Just hope its a classic m16a4
I tried doing this shit, but then realized that every single pistol is shit except for the one that doesn't shoot a pistol caliber and the powerhouse of the .50 AE
Im rocking the glock 19 with a flashlight
Yeah thats what I was trying to do. Good luck on Greased Balls lmao
For the love of God, at least rock a helmet. Headshots ruin your run instantly, even if you don't actually die from said headshot
That isnt a sigma beat cop move.
I fucking tried dude. I ran Greased Palms at least 30-40 times and I just could not fucking do it
Creased cock is hard yeah
I may try another pistol-only run using the 5/7, because that pistol is actually good lol
I run the usp. I shoot the head mostly anyways and if i want the body i want it to hurt.
Headshots are actually just so fucking awful.
If you get shot in the head and survive (likely with low caliber weapons), not only are you completely blinded like you got hit by a stinger grenade, but now EVERY TIME you take damage you're completely blinded.
When you actually try to have fun in this game, you're punished very harshly
Yes. That is the fun of it
yeah i mean like a patrol officer responding to like a shooting, ect
There's no fun in this lmao, its complete torture and its just suffering.
I had more fun trying to beat Valley of the Dolls on Hard difficulty and that was horrid
Question? On Leviathan, is the live stream computer not always on the table in the boiler room area? Sometimes itās not on the table
its in whichever room has the most tied up hostages
No its wherever their hostages are
itās randomized
Figured, Iām having trouble finding it in other spots
shit, the closest thing to a patrol officer shirt is the 90s LSPD swat shirt but i havent completed the game
i dont think your supposed to ping staff for that.
Staff is in this discord?
think again
What I wanna ask is If they will add a restart button on Hard mode so I don't have to waste 5 mins of my fng time...
Nice cat emoji and pfp
how do i disable steam achievements from popping up, they keep popping up blocking the entire right corner of my screen like 5 at a time and its the entire time the game is open
easiest way I found to do that was just doing said achievements
id rather not have to do all the acievements just to be able to see, bc its all of them doing it to me like even ones that arent getting progessed
Yeah its annoying. Its all the achievements tied to stuff like doors lockpicked, SWAT open and clears ordered, doors breached via battering ram, etc.
No idea why RoN actually does that
ive even tried disabling steam overlay nada
the somewhat-good news is that most of those achievements are incredibly easy, if not all of them really, but RoN's achievements are... some of the achievements of all time
They are
wish me luck running a civi kit
Mate ive seen you play with a full kit. You sure thats a good idea?
yeah, gives a sort of "challenge"
Guys i just "executed" amos voll and i think he exploded or smth cuz i died when i shot him and my team is harmed
Can someone confirm me if this was a bug or a funny easter egg?
Over pen and richochet
How to enable IronManMode on PC??? After sasnole update they broke whole game to pieces
Wdym
Is the graphic update out yet
What is ironmanmode?
permadeath
oh
Singleplayer where u and ur officers have 1 live, if u die ur save wasted
You need a controller.
No, I'm not kidding.
Another point that game is wasted "thx" devs
Gonna do Shoot everything runs then cuz no point in broken bugged useless achievements, cuz I already completed whole save without death or my officers death
Bullets go through people and bouce off hard surfaces.
Yeah but idk i shot him with a pistol
Weird
I think pistols are sooo useless if u dont aim for the head
Groin
Meaning
Shoot the groin
unless your using a .45 or the .50 yeah
Or Mozambique
the glock is pretty weak
I used USP looking pistol
FN-57? or the usp
That would be the usp probably
Check #š¬ron-clips-and-media Clips
your using a suppressor on the pistol no wonder šš
Bruh
were you running AP?
That dosent change anthing.
was just about to say that my man
I actually dont know the diference
armor piercing is better against armor, FMJ is better for flesh
Hollow point**
Aps are fmj as well.
Im using default i guess, AP
i always read it as fmj xD so used to seeing it in every game
barely any shooters have hallowpoint rounds
ap is fmj is armor piercing is full metal jacket
cough cough yeah who would do that.... (Quickly removing suppressor from pistol)
i never run suppressor
Finally bought the dlcs ššš
same
i want mfs to know what time it is
i do like to have the team run suppressors so ik if they shooting or if we getting shot at
Yeah thats true. Fmj just mean it has a metal jacket so it can pen stuff still.
yep
Shot profiling is super important yes.
In COD hollow point desc says "Slowing target down by shooting legs"
this game should make the illegal guns like the Tec-9, Glock 18, and the AKās useable for the fun of it
š
i havent played cod since 2022šš
I used to love running suppressors/NVG on old port hokan in the raid gamemode
Uh no. Ap will put holes in people and impart emergy over a long course while Hollows will impart it all at once and bloom l8ke flowers ripping shit up.
Yeah, Boring game rn, waiting for Batlefield
I would go AK47 with a Mac 10 as a side arm if i could. Go Somalian on everyone.
They were back when the MLO was playable.
over whiskey tango over and out over
Heheheheh. Imma say that over the radio next time a course comes in.
Ron needs 31:9 support: (
2042 was fun
21:9
very overhated
now their gonna make a dlc about it watch
I hope so i love the MLO
Battlefield 1 will always be my side game, that game still shines.
i bought the game yesterday that like a cut team?
bf4 was the best in the series for sure
It was the old faction you played agaist swat with in pvp but now they are part of the deeper plot for the game.
I lost my first two officers yesterday one got blown up by a trap and the other ate a point blank 12 gauge
And then he fell down the stairs
Yeah 3 and 4 were really something else for their time. Battlefield 6 wont hit that stride, it can come close but never the same.
i learned to take the game slower after this
i feel like 6 is just gonna be bf4 downgraded
You always need to peek the door to check
With a shinier paint job.
To make sure it doesn't happen again unless Ur me and u peek and accidentally open it a bit by walking into it
And then get blown to smitherines
I don't like the mission I just played it was like in a server room and I found it really annoying
bro wtf my ready or not got refunded...
Because I had no clue where I was going
when patch please ? today ? tommorow ?
What's in the patch?
Huh
idk
Does anyone know what's in the new patch coming?
Me when MLO mission:
Yeeeeeees
#announcements scroll up a lil
Ty
Is the patch still planned for this week?
There hasn't been anything said yet to suggest otherwise.
If its anytime on the weekend its goin against bf6 lol
The beta is gonna be free my dood
Ik but I want the full game
Samee its too far away atm
Only a month away
Thereās a twitch drop tmmrw to get the beta early
Beta for what
In the battlefield discord people are giving away codes for free
Battlefield 6
the beta is free and starts tmrw š
Bro I wanna play it
Check battlefields twitter
No it doesn't starts on the 9th
Iām on PlayStation and I can play tmrw
But those codes get you early access
The open beta is over the weekend
without a code
Where do I get codes
You can download the beta at anytime but the free beta only starts on teg 9th
Iām aware but it literally says I can play it tmrw when I load it up
You can get it on twitch tmmrw check battlefields twitter
Iām special then EA loves me š
You can get it on their twitter posts, twitch and their discord
I got battlefield beta I just downloaded
Cool
Itās free on Xbox
Yeah Ik it's free everywhere
The codes just let you play it before the beta
The lack of transparency from void is working out so well that other games are being discussed here. Good job team.
Wut
huh
We were just discussing battlefield 6 because the free beta is soon
Have you seen #āknown-issues-and-fixes #archived-known-issues and #announcements ?
Have you seen the state of the game? Lmk when the game is actually fixed š
Bruh the game just went out of early access like last year
They're trying to fix it bozo. The patch is supposed to come out at any time within this week so be patient ffs
Bruh, weāre STILL in early access.

Yeah so why are you complaining that its unfinished
These dark waters dlc missions are fire
game was better in early access.
They always say that donāt they
always? They released a patch notes last week lmao. They're trying to get a huge patch notes out by this week but it can be at any time
Because it's true but fixing games takes time you need to be patient
Someone doesn't know the concept of patience or even read what the developers say 
Anyway imma continue to Hard S rank the 4 missing missions. Fuck I gota Hide and Seek and 3 Letter Triad on the list
The last announcement was literally a couple days ago
Bye
I hope u succeed
If he keeps yapping, just use the M32A1 on his ass
I'll use a stinger on him
M320 Stinger is nice, but you can spam with M32A1 Flash
Real
I canāt wait for yall to share the disappoint. #//soon//
You're so fun in parties. You should be a party host
lol I have a feeling general bug fixes will be fixed but thereās still probably going to be issues. Weāll see where the games at by the end of the year. Cyberpunk kind of showed you can release a broken game and people will wait for it to get fixed anyway
Well I would, but the ping is too high.
Get better wifi 
Not really how that works.
The party usually depends on the internet connection from the host so if the host has shit wifi, party will be shit.
so after 3 or 4 years of playing this game and seeing it keeps getting worse you still play it ?
Tbf console players are still going to play ron even if it ran on 10 fps they dont have many choices when it comes to tactical fps games
The servers arenāt peer to peer anymore
as a ronsoler I approve this message
Even if I have 20 frames at some point, I still have my M32A1 in my arms
There is insurgency sandstorm and uhh nothing else I think
Well I still paid for it didnāt I?
Thereās arma and delta force is coming
Ya I play on console the performance is def sub par sometimes but overall at least itās not locked to 30
Wake up, look at the RoN discord, looking like RoN subreddit, Fuck.
Oh right arma reforger
yes.. you have the supporter version ?
wait how?
reforger with mods on console is peak
Delta force looks like cod
Itās like battlefield from what I know
I mean battlefield is more of a arcade shooter than a tactical shooter
Yep. Been watching the game lose its way. Not how it started.
I got called a redditor I am ending it it doesnt get worse than that
I mean I think some of the stuff being said is warranted itās just when it becomes dog piling is when it gets out of control
Mainly what REDACTED saying. Seeing that a lot on the subreddit. How it was better in early access, how void is terrible, only talking about negatives, basically beating a dead horse.
Just made it all the way through neon tomb and the final civvie was glitched and would t surrender 
Tbf thats every subreddit for every game
I agree with u tho
Had to pop her ass and she blew up
Yeah like people need some kind of positivity, basically what Doc would tell us so we could be successful
Can you really call it dogpiling if everyone is experiencing the same terrible changes/experience at the same time.
Weāre just tired of the false promises
Ehh a lot of the criticism is fair
Iām just tired of negativity. Gonna criticize the game? Donāt do it in an insulting manner.
Would disagree as my gameplay is fine. Sometimes my game crash and ai is a bit janky, but it's playable
Unfortunately people seem to like to be angry these days as if they wanted positivity in the first place they wouldn't log on reddit.
Self care never exists on Reddit
I feel like its also for ragebaiting too
I think putting out a broken product is whatās the most insulting.
Void bad game bad gib upvote
after you play the game for a while we will become them
When I finish Non Lethal Hard ranks, I'll do Lethal Runs
I've played hundreds of hours of Insurgency sandstorm on ps5 and a lot of Arma Reforger as well.
Games like CoD, Battlefield or Siege aren't for me
You think I like criticizing a game? Or like playing a broken product?
to be fair most people insulting the game are long time fans
people who have the right and have supported the game through thick and thin
Guys, I'm trying to pass 'Sinous Trail' but I failed many times, any tips that I should know for this mission?
If the game delivered on its promises, I probably wouldnāt be annoyed about the game now would I. Iād probably be playing the game.
Hahaha I have to agree with that I was on the side of this game doesnāt have that many bugs and itās not a big deal but once I started going for the hard mode achievement I realized how broken the game is. And tbh the game is very different visually before the console release. So there is some right to question it. Some parts of the game look like that era when next gen games where getting put on last gen so they had to be downgraded lol
Wedges. Clear outside first. Enter upstairs inside first
I like clearing top down and wedging off doors that lead to the second story so I donāt get domed in the server room
How did you fail it many times?
If the game still called itself early access, Iād also be less annoyed. But itās not. Itās the āfull releaseā.
theyāre some of the most aggressive npcs cut him some slack š
Like not that many, but I swear they're a pain in the ass the hostiles
Cap, I been doing Iron Belt so many times like I did Wild West and Non Lethal run. I know my shit
not cap itās even in the lore as to why theyāre very aggressive
The layout can be tricky if you enter the server rooms without clearing anything else first
That beginning part of rust belt on hard is very rng heavy so ya it can be bs
You just need to be prepared, especially in the cave areas where they could be anywhere. Plus if you play Hard Mode, be aware of Traps
Iāve had it where no one was out front before and then Iāve had it where thereās guys literally coming out of the tunnel to come shoot me in the outside area
Would say that as long the house doesn't shoot, it's fine
I've had 3 guys outside then 3 more in the tunnel house. Pure chaos
Which caves š¤
heās talking about another map
Oh okay, got it
I know my stuff too gang I have the plat š
We basically have arma reforger, hell let loose and ron
I call the Iron Belt Tunnels caves. Plus there is a full cave in the end
Insurgency sandstorm
Yeah that too
Iām not doubting your claim I said theyāre āone of the mostā aggressive emphasis on āone of the mostā
and the cave is easy if you clear from the far right and flash seeing as you have cover
Talk about broken, insurgency sandstorm was a MESS for months after console release.
It literally crashed every 20-30 minutes
RoN is in a much better state
I do vaguely remember that for insurgencey sandstorm Iām glad they fixed that game up. I just wish they built out the co op mode more
Shh saying stuff like that might anger people
compared to most games on release he aināt wrong tho when it comes to console at least
Don't care one bit. Im having a great time on ps5. Favorite shooter in what feels like forever
Get the CS Gas and Flashbangs
RoN overall besides graphically is in a better state. Hard mode really isnāt even that bad itās more when you die on a mission and you have to replay it so you start nitpicking things thatās where you start to see the real small issues that snowball
This is off topic but every time I read your messages I read them in easy Peteās voice
We need more detailed gun stats
nah hard mode is complete bullshit brother, 50ms reaction time combined with near perfect accuracy is wild not to mention that literal street thugs are as accurate as literal military veterans is just lazy game design
Because some guns feel the exact same as others
My complaints:
- Suspects or civilians getting stuck in walls
- FPS drops on Leviathan and 3 letter triad
- Swat AI could be smarter
And itās hard to tell the difference between them
Oh no it definitely is I still wouldnāt have completed relapse without the flash launcher lmfao
bright doors on 3 letter triad should be there too š
I disagree. Use what feels best
Is thare a site where i can see the stats in more detail
I love you
But I like the AI on hard mode. They feel smarter. Play smarter. Hide behind cover so you canāt see them. Actually push you or flank. Theyāre a lot more grounded then on standard
Oh definitely lol
when pvp?
If the health wasnāt so buffed the higher reaction time wouldnāt even be bad
The swat AI on hard mode is not so good however
Could never get you to give me dynamite to defend Goodsprings
I gave up on playing hard by myself because the swat AI can't clear a room with one guy without dying
I don't like how accurate ai is on hard. Meth heads have no right sniping me in the dark through windows
I just wish the accuracy values for suspects would change on the mission it shouldnāt be the same across every mission
That's why I switched to real people that I have my own server that we all help each other getting Hard S ranks
Shouldāve just copy and pasted swat 3 or 4.
whats with all the recent negative reviews on this game? What happened?
I need them all for the deathclaws at quarry junction
Rage bait
Was looking for the last guy on neon tomb, lo and behold he comes running around the corner and I have to blow his face off before he blows up me and my boys
The SWAT AI definitely canāt be used for clearing rooms unless they flash close and you shoot a flash on the other side of the room. Sometimes theyāll be good but like 70% of the time when theyāre walking in a room theyāre not even facing the direction of potential threats
So they just start getting shot and already hit 3-4 times while theyāre turning to shoot back itās annoying af
the amount of times they push into a room shoulder first facing the suspects is wild for me
Was your profile pic the same face you made when that happened
More surprised
Omg it's Tighten
They also walk past open doors and get blasted
My solution is open/flash/clear on leader then I immediately command fall in and then have the blue/red stack entries
Iāve been playing with the AI though for a few years now though so I kind of understand how to control them pretty well. They def still can do a lot but if you really only use them to move and clear them you prolly think theyāre dog water lol
Yes itās me, Tighten
Are you the new hero in Metrocity?!
Metrocity*
AND THIER IS NO QUEEN OF ENGLAND
how much better was ADAM AI?
And no, itās just under new management
wh- [sleep]
Man I canāt find this last civvie
Go to the start of the map and tell your squad to search and secure. Theyāll look all over the map for evidence and civilians
You right, forgot that was a thing
Use it all the time :)
Honestly where the SWAT AI is vs then wasnāt that big of a difference. The big things are still there. Peaking doors that are open when stacked. Always having someone watch the flanks. The biggest issues is the SWAT AI always getting caught in the doors in my experience. They used to back up to get out of the way of door frames but it seems they just stand there again which is really annoying. But other than that I havenāt seen much changed in my experience. But I also use my AI like a team I usually move 2nd or 3rd in my AIs stack
Holy essay Batman
And also just general commands not working
Stealing that
use that sticker itās funny asl
When I should use JHP and AP?
Oh itās a sticker
yes and itās the community manager saying that š
Well thatās all the civvies, just need the evidence
I love the AI just hate that they have state of minds š
Man, they got my nutritionist Jung
JHP against enemies with no armor and level 1 armor and AP for anything else imo
Oh thatās censored
so pretty much JHP on the first mission and twisted nerve for me š carriers of the vine too
I just use AP am I stupid?
no I donāt even switch anymore
I only use AP I only see downsides to jhp
AP is better 99% of the time

justice for your boy š
Most likely
He was my nutritionist, man
Swat ai are flash and wedges mules for me
I only use them to restrain suspects as I John wick missions š
Wait heās only incapacitated? Does he come back or something?
Ya thatās kind of how I used them for a while but then I slowly started using them to hold angles and doors I wasnāt covering
I use them as bait to draw the majority of the fire in rooms
you fucking criminal š
Avenge him. Kill all of them! Then just exit the game before completing the mission
Iām the main character, itās only fair
I ga weekje op vakantie maar jeuk ernaar om RoN te spelen
Totally
What?
agreed
Fk wrong disco š
Disco?šŖ©
Heās talking how I do after a seizure.
Back alley or street entrance for buy cheap buy twice?
Dutch is the language of strokes
After all the experiments done on him aināt surprised
The officer faces in the commander menu look nothing like the in game models
apparently street is the superior choice from all the pc players Iāve played with but I liek back alley because I clear the perimeter before I go inside the dealership
No, mahjong is weird
tighten up doodle brain
š
Forgot I linked my xbox name
Oh my god I just blew both of this guyās hands off with one shell
I need someone that play on Xbox for valley of dolls
You take that back right now
Donāt listen to him Pete, mahjong is peak
Cant find this last fucking civ in buy cheap buy twice š
searched the map like 4 times
Why not crossplay?
Or that to
He's over there
Ah thanks man
Could be a incap on the floor or out front.
Impossible map
how does custom maps work or laod into one
I did valley of the dolls and got s rank. Is the hawaii shirt the reward for that since it still says B rank on valley
I just shot my officers and quit
It is yes
So is it the only customization item that has a specific skin as a reward?
Never mind absolutely fried
custom maps are all broken rn
Hallo
Hello fella
Im almost done
4 missions left, good luck officer
What missions left tho
I remember doing Buy Cheap Buy Twice on first try 
Also I have a route for 3 Letter Triad by Rawso
I did Carriers of the Vine and Greased Palm first try on the same day

FYM GREASED PALMS FIRST TRY
But other days it was 20+ attempts and still a loss
Oh you meant that way
But one day we got it first try and I celebrated
By screaming at the top my lungs lol
Yeah, we are NEVER going back to greased palms
I need 3 Letter Triad, Hide and Seek, and Relapse aka the other big 3
Greased Palms is no more
Relapse is tricky one, itās either very hard or very easy
Game spared me and didnāt count one friendly fire and I got S
So yeah shoutouts to VOID for saving some nerves (so I can loose more on 3 Letter Triad)
I got killed in 7 seconds on deadly obsession map
Lethal Obsession*
I don't remember the name of the map but alright
Knew it was something obsession
I donāt bother S ranking DLC maps cause you donāt get any cosmetics from them
You do
No you donāt lol
Tatoos
Nope, those are unlocked as soon as you buy the dlc
Wow, so you just buy dlc and all cosmetics are your? That is interesting
Not like i have money for them but it's cool
Yeah the dlc cosmetics are unlocked as soon as you buy the dlc
A few helmets, vests, shirts, boots, etc.
A little bit of everything
And a lot of tattoos
Hopefully ready or not will get Ultra wide support soon
That would be peak and gives me a better reason to afford one of them
Ron is such a cool game but i am gonig to hop off to play monkeys pop bloons probably
What are considered ultra wide
Since what point monitors are ultra wide
For a long time, but it's usually when the length is stretched further
There are like 29" ultrawide monitors but they're not so expensive
Like 150$ or 200$
Aren't most of them like 1080p or 720p?
2560x1080p
Zamn
Well that's just in my country in us they're probably more or expensive
Probably not tho, because companies don't gaf about regional prices
@gaunt gale when patch
If it costs 500$ in us it will cost 500$ everywhere prolly
Very, very soon
I thought this was 30 day mute
Oh, that's neat
also if you're gonna get a single Ultrawide, don't go cheap.
Get a good quality panel
I was just responding to the guy i'm not really planning
Ohhhhhh
It's the echo who planned on buying if y'all are going to do ultrawide support
Ok
well don't think again
So your job is to use Discord? Easiest job ever
when will we get a specific date or time ?
Well it was obvious to assume that pinging someone from void might result in a mute lol, usually it results in a mute, so why being rude
well don't assume again
Community manager, probably use social media
Not exactly to just use Discord, also Reddit, Steam, etc. I also do work with content creators, set up small to mid sized IRL events in the US, communicate with brands, etc.
I will
Currently working with a company to get a booth set up at PAX West
you use steam so we can invite you to our ready or not lobbies ?
Probably busy moderating discussions
Nope
"Hello fellow content creator... would you like to sell the No Judgement body pillow for a free Ruined Developer Watch?"
The Echo? I am Echo, code name "Rat" cuz I go all over the place
I meant you yes
Still nothing on patch?
It's very very soon
Did they announce it was soon?
Only 1.5% of players inspected evidence from evidence lockers lmao
Kaminsky did
a wild kaminsky has been spotted
So ... I set up a deal with a CC once by mentioning we had a body pillow. 
It already does. You can restrict the UI to 4:3. I play in ultra wide
My wifi is so ass now
kaminsky can we get michael's body pillow irl
I would like a free body pillow :3 (even tho I have one that just a standard one)
Are you a content creator with at least 200~ccv?
what is a ccv
Concurrent viewers
On stream? or what
Yes
Damn, sounds a lot easier than it is
Oof "are you popular?" "No..." "Sucks for you" š thats how the convo is gunna go
Boo hoo
š wah
I've remembered that because there's goblin boo hoo emote on sale in clash royale
200ccv is really hard, because it's also 200ccv average over a month
Get grinding boys, its gunna be a while š
Well the req are pretty high compared to tik tok tech companies req, all you need is 1000 viwers on every video and they're basically sending you every product ever
Probably
Do you like have to do review on body pillow when they send you to it or what
FUUUUU no. I'm just an ordinary SWAT player with almost every missions Hard S ranked
Ordinary?
Mhm
What weapons you use?
what are some general recommendations to have for loadouts both for myself and/or the NPC operators that youāre in command of
My last weapon was the M14S, but I been doing non lethals for awhile
Do we have an estimate of when replays are gonna be available on console?
Anybody has a fix for the issue "Unable to connect to epic games services" ?
I've tried:
- verifying the integrity of the game files
- reinstalling game
- restarted steam
- restarted my pc
- flush my internet dns
Yet no avail
I'd like to specify that I have the game bought on steam
hot take, i think the AI teammates need more autonomy
just watched one AI teammate just get shot at and decide to not react
āDrop your weapons, hands up!ā Yelled teammate as suspect was shooting on full auto at him
my AI teammate put away his shield while facing 3 armed gunmen
"i will stare at 3 people shooting at me, without my forward facing protection"
Shit like this happened all the time while I was doing all Hard S
Itās painful
me rn:
how do i change the regions for matchmaking
But in the end, I did it
Right down corner
oh shit thanks i didnt see that shit at all wtf
You gotta press find lobby for difficulty screen to appear, and then in corner you can find it
all this āgreased palms is so hard!ā but nobody IS TALKING ABOUT SINS OF THE FATHER?
whatās bad about it? š
secret service men with insane accuracy in tight places
and then i get flanked in the middle of the hallway
they all got same accuracy for me on hard mode donāt matter who it is š
Buy Cheap Buy Twice is the easiest one. Now I got more challenging ones like Hide and Seek, Relapse and 3 Letter Traid
wedge off doors if hallway flanks are that much of an issue makes it lightwork
theres 3 staircases btw
ides of march was the easiest to me
clear top down then
been doing that the whole time
damn thatās crazy idk what to recommend then šš
only difficult one there is 3 letter triad that map some bullshit š
At this point we just military. They sending a single team of 5 swat guys to clear a whole mail factory with like 15 suspects and a fisa agent
I'm doing that with a full stack. Everything else I could do a 2-3 man operation
Never had problems with sins, my fav map
best map in game fr
I wish they brought the OG soundtrack for it
suppressors might help too unless you doing S ranks
Yeah, try asking SHIELD PUNCH about this map, he hates it with all heart as I do
I run and gun all maps on hard but that shit I have to larp as a JSOC operator š„²
Why as a swat officer in the lspd can I dress up as a spetnaz operative
Funny part about 3 letter on hard that there up to 27 suspects, meaning the chances of them getting glitched are high asf
I legit have a clip of one spawning in front of me mid gunfight
lol
Mostly for me and shield punch, they either: sitting on knees but are unable to be arrested, or stuck between walls
It was pure luck that in my winning run no one glitched
them black sentinels are absolute units idk why swat is fighting against ex SAS
FISA got too much faith in d-platoon
USIA*
FISA are the ones who sent you on the mission
We got tipped off by usia, not fisa
No
Donāt remember that
Lemme check
Go for it
Just need dealership relapse and neon tomb done for basic hard s rank
dealership tattoo is fire
Facts the double sleeve goes hard asf
Dealership was easy for me (first tried on Hard S)
It fits judge knowing heās sleeper agent
I know I have everything did everything on standard s and did Ironman just need 10 more hard s ranks then Iām done
Fr why the hell are they treating our swat team like seal team 6. They sending us into a run down farm in the middle of nowhere (definetly not in los suenos) with gun running tunnels that are international smuggling points instead of sending military. They expect us to not shoot a fisa agent in the head on greased palms who put 3 in my vest and nearly killed me
You could say the same about 23 mb legit looks like your in Brazil favelas
the state of the US in RoN is very shit so I think it makes sense after learning more about the worlds lore
The LSDP has been militarized due to the increase in crime
The lore is that it was a swatting call. Everything we find is accidental
same lowkey my Ironman run was easier than my S ranks š
Someone literally tried to assassinate a political figure giving a speech AT THE POLICE HQ
No mention of FISA in briefing or media
you read the evidence Chad
And yet Judge continues to SWEEP
Yh ts was wild learning
start of the briefing it says whoās the one briefing you, next to the text for it when you read it
One of reasons I even do S ranks
Why does Judge and SWAT 4 Team Lead sound so similar?
So, he talking about USIA
Judge be wiping. I got 4 fresh hires walking into port hogan cause my main team needed "therapy" on my first playthrough
the person briefing you on your mission which is your team lead is FISA the intel on said mission is from USIA
so FISA sends you to Elysium and the intel for said mission is from USIA
same way the joint operation for hide and seek is
Thatās odd, but on Port briefing heās marked as FISA Team Lead, but in 3 Letter just Team Lead
I've always been confused why on if 23 mgbs was a swatting why were guys already on balcony's with shotguns. Ik they hear sirens but they don't even know ur there till they actually see you in game
But I do hear almost same voice on both
I am not one to lie about things already in said game and for me it says FISA Team Lead for 3 letter triad
Im a FISA connoisseur š
Well, maybe Iām wrong bc rn I switched to Russian text bc I done with hard S (bc I donāt have to do screens anymore)
valid
I love going around shotgun only on 23 mgbs just cause ik everyone deserves it
should be valley instead
Amos ends up mag dumping me and everytime somehow
His pistol just does it better than the rest somehow
I kidnap his wife everytime
If ever find you I will get justice for bbg
She's just as bad as amos
She part of the child stuff brudda
why you say that is it bc she sent the money to the account?
Daniela Voll isn't as stupid as we think, she did the money transfer on purpose
You telling me she never checked her basement the entire time they were together
who knows couldāve been a slip up or intentional
with Bolton security around who knows
She got abused by him quite often
Its a facade marriage
if youāre referring to the statue it couldāve been due to her being taped as a minor, as seen by the TV when you walk in
I only know about volls ex wife
Nah, the quote is something Voll would totally say
probably
Live every day like itās your last
Cause Iām gonna kill you, but Iām really bad with scheduling
Have you noticed Daniela stars in half of the posters?
Is Amos cheap with actresses or what?
I mean it makes sense theyād proudly share their work
well I assume she was in the industry before voll married her
Who wants to watch Amos and Daniela bang for the 15th movie?
Iām torn on whether I think sheās complicit or was forced into going along and is the one who ratted him out intentionally
she was legit one of his victims if that was the case why marry him?
why not get away from the man
Stockholm syndrome maybe ?
she was in it for the money š°
She was probably young, naive and maybe needed a green card to imigrate
She is Romanian
Thatās not how abusive relationships work it isnāt that easy to leave
Especially when the abuser is rich and has a bunch of connections
he had a wife before her they havenāt been married for as long as you think
Jamieās mom isnāt Daniella
Plus marriage is one of easiest ways to get American citizenship
Though she does say stuff like āAmos is a good man!ā when you arrest her so I dunno
I know
Daniela married Amos after Jannie's mom died
Well I was thinking, Jannie and Daniela get to live their lives no?
Not blood related but better than being homeless
Iām aware thatās why I said that about her not being her mom š
So they were either in it for the money or ?
Who?
that could be a reason Daniella married voll but itās not concrete
Daniella
She got manipulated
Iām on anyone wanna play
How do we know that ?
Amos was twice her age
we donāt itās just his assumption
from the fragments on the level that heās picked up
but all we can do is assume seeing as the reason isnāt stated
and that isnāt far off tbf
Uhh okay I dont understand how that connects to that I may be a bit dumb can you explain
What's money good for if you get abused?
When Daniela was 18, Amos was 31
Worse, she was 17 in the video
I rounded it up
she could be like George Brixley for all we know
Apparently she just runs the legal stuff for him
Sheās from Romania so I wouldnāt be surprised if she was a trafficking victim before getting into the industry
Eastern Europe has a big issue with that kinda stuff
Oh jeez
we also have no way of knowing if she stayed in the industry willingly
What the fuckekrdjdneıdnjdrh
the video of her on the TV is from before they got married as well
That would tie into the port mission righr
She apparently just runs legal stuff but in doing so she would most likely know about the illegal side due to it happening in THE SAME HOUSE as we can find the videos of minors right next to the camera in the bedroom with the costumes
Yup
Maybe she was in one of the containers we find girls at at some point
transported long ago
that could be a decent theory maybe amos bought her š
Ok so cross checking the birth year and the year the raid takes place (2026) Daniela is 32 and Jannie is 18. 14 years difference between mom and daughter is diabolical
Amos is confirmed to have connections to The Spider. Wouldnāt be surprised if Daniella was a āproductā sold to him by them
Holy shit
We are putting on tin foils with this one
I mean he is twisted asf it was insinuated that jamie wouldāve been his next victim in the shrine room
Itās all connectedā¦
Devs keep fucking the years, but we know she is born in 1994 and that the raids over the story take place 2025-2027
FISA is worrying about us rn
Never take it off
FISA is CIA of ron universe right
The note on the creepy painting evidence is so disgusting
FBI
Fbi then usia is cia
Valley being smack dab in the middle puts it in 2026
USIA is CIA
I dont know the difference
FISA is FBI, USIA is CIA
Never sell cocaine without cutting in USIA
Bet
Or the IRS learns you didn't pay your taxes in 2003 and shoots your dog
I know one difference is the CIA aināt supposed to operate on US soil
(Doesnāt mean they donāt lol)
CIA is torturing Americans with this one š£ļø š„
I like to imagine that's why we doing ends of the earth and we just find the manufacturing bit by accident sometimes
Damn that reminds me I gotta rewatch Sicario soon
the parents tipped off the LSPD before the raid
PEAK
Ah no, the idiots in ends of the Earth sold them guns like hot cakes. We got a tip possibly from the parents
Itās confirmed by a voice mail you can listen to on the map
Ik but sometimes I imagine we just the irs
Or if I wanna make it spicy I become the postal service tactical team. They mislabelled the guns they shipped as urgent
The anonymous phone call is from a FISA agent I think
Maybe Jack Adams even
Trans brothers sold so many guns they are indirectly responsible for so many murders
Can you pin murder charges on gun traficking?
Maybe the trans brothers made all those goddamn makarovs that I get shot with
Is fisa in on the human trafficking or are they using it to find the real source of the human trafficking
I believe real source
It is alluded that theyāre in the operation or at least higher ups in the government are
They need to interview the women for intel they might forget if left unchecked
True but I understand why they sold those gun modifications
They desperately wanted to help their mom get cancer treatments
FISA isn't in on the traficking
I mean FISA directly cuts into our radio like
CLOSE
THE
DOORS
Exactly
There is a FISA HRT a dock over
that is wrong theyāre definitely involved in some way

the subtitles for them literally turn red making them an enemy
HRT that leaves people inside cold containers Imao
Wendigoonās explanation I think makes the most sense
Port is a joint op between Police, FISA and ATF
The atf we know or is the atf different in ron universw
FISAās team lead literally tells you to close the doors or youāre interfering with a federal investigation
Lots of suspected illegal guns in the port, why ATF comes
No, thats FISA commander, he is above their TOC
Bruh
yeah I know
just remember this game depicts some of the darkest things in our current world
I spent 10 minutes after I finished the mission looking for that container for soft objectives but also I really wanted the animation. It was the last container I checkedš
CLOSE
THE
DOORS
not to mention the redacted name on a document you get after S ranking hide and seek
The auction for the girls is creepy though with all the masked guys and all
One of the best horror moments in the game
Yeah
Really hope we get more horror-centric missions
Dorms from home invasion also had that vibe
Plus it is a Federal Investigation
Good idea, something like woodside apartments from silent hill 2 would be brilliant
Yes but the file those are contained in also include a bunch of other saved data that I imagine you wouldnāt want delete you can overwrite the preset by saving a new one with the same name.
Yeah, nvm. Thanks tho.
YK, I find it crazy that uncensored RoN was gonna get an AO rating, but outlast trials only has a fucking M rating...
I NEED a Fairfax Residence style serial killer house level
In RoN-iverse, FISA is analog to FbeeI or CeyeA?
FBI
Or both?
USIA is an analog to CIA
Ah right
Ok that makes the āClose the doorā moment in Port Hokan more interesting.
If it was the USIA saying that it would be classic sketchy bad spooky man.
Are they planning on releasing a sequel to that? Or more missions
I just played my first few multiplayer missions and there were so many were the host were afk
I got 4 in a row where they were afk
That sucks. It's best to be with folks that will move when in game
Also I learnt I play a lot better in commander mode also because the NPC's tend to not shoot civis unlike my multiplayer teammates tho to be fair some of those kills were reasonable
Are you still in a group?
Wdym
In a group like are you playing with anyone at the moment?
Are they gonna add sequels to the last mission?
But yeah, can we talk about how crazy this is?
I am currently but these guys are ok
Are you trying to Hard S rank or play casually?
They aren't executing civilians this time
Hell nah
Just casually
I don't mind them accidentally shooting civs but some people I see just execute them
Somehow the rifles in thay game use single stack mags despite them being 30 rounds
Bro, I tried 2042 a year ago, It was bad... The controls irritated me, I tried this evening, Same vibes...
I cannot play that boring game at all
Yes! That stook with me that one, i agree, maybe a bigger house with some long pitch black hallways.
I even forgot Battlefield exists before I witnessed BF6 trailer
i bought this game 2 days ago and i already have 16 hours
not even 2 days ago yesterday šš
I can never forget battlefield, if it wasnt for battlefield 2 when i was a wee teen, i wouldnt of found operation flashpoint, delta force and more hardcore military sims
Yeah ngl, I enjoyed Campaign on Delta Force, Batlefield, irritated by snipers as i liked to rush
But great campaign
Oof campaigns back in the day were solid. More strategic. Makes me wanna get my old 500mhz computer back with 500 megabytes of RAM and the old Nvidia graphics card. Simple times.
Project I.G.I and Soldier of Fortune.
Add Glock 34 plz
It would be especially scary if the killer has an accomplice but thatās not mentioned in the briefing, so we find out when they come sprinting at us with a knife or axe
(Also, more melee enemies in general would be cool)
Are you able to get an s rank with lethal weapons?
guys what is santa muerte rosary beads?
no
everyone has to live
Well per se if you're not actually using lethal weapons to actually kill anybody it isn't impossible but very close to it as getting suspects to comply especially if you have limited nades would be quite a challenge.
1 mag and a bunch of grenades
Just spam flashbangd
Usually they listen if you blow the door up and throw 2 flashes
i just shot a dude in the groin one time on dorms and somehow he died i didnt know his brain was down there
People can bleed out from getting shot there 
i know that but it was like INSTANT
there wasnt any screaming and i had to report em dead
Maybe them drugs thinned out his blood.
hes fakin hit him again
It would be quite impressive for them to fake and not cry out in pain after getting shot in the groin.
The spider will most likely get another mission, If you mean specifically the goverment corruption thing. It's actually in all the missions just the least subtle in that one.
void sprinkling some coke onto a suspect to make the mission connected to the spider criminal organization
Its either the spider,los locos, or some unconnected squad of goons
can you still not change varible zoom in this money hungry game
I haven't checked but im assuming no
Not without mods.
I think Kam or someone did mention there would be slightly bigger maps coming at some point so they will be looking into adding it officially at that time.
im glad the modders are realible then these devs
I just discovered quick play it's full lethal time
It's annoying tho if u shoot a civie your squad mates still shoot u in this mode
I just wanted to kill everyone in the building like clean house
atleast u get a reaction when u shoot ppl. i can shoot sum1 in the leg and they just turn and runš¤¦š½āāļø
i like cheese
I swear bruh, like you just got shot just give up
i stg i will mag dump my handgun into a suspect and heāll keep going lol idk whatās going on with pistol damage š
With rifles itās not too bad but sometimes i like to do missions with handguns only so itād be nice if suspects actually reacted to it lol
Hide and Seek got me geeking the fuck out in a bad way
One attempt we were close by 3 suspects and we died
no bullš. i usually aim to get like A-A+ since this is my first time actually playing the game. when i did attempt s ranks the beanbag shotgun just does absolutely nothing to ppl and i gotta glock em downšš ik it wasnt me they gotta tweak thatš¤¦š½āāļøš¤¦š½āāļø
Uhhhā¦ā¦.can you get S rank if a suspect puts a pistol to his temple and pulls the trigger after being flash banged?
(This game has so many animations hidden away)
Is it hard to complete ready or not on Ironman mode without losing a single officer. And is it worth the time to get the trophy and watch?
A second one just attempted it! ā¦but I beanbagged him before he could get the gun to his head and he dropped to his knees.
Both guys had Makarovs. You know, a pistol that isnāt made anymore and is probably worth something. Buddy, thereās yer problem! Sell that shit and get out of this dump! (Twisted Nerve)
jus do wat i do when i start getting the belt in maddenā¦.close app
these crackheads have like hk machine guns
personally, i dont think its worth it. BUT if youre looking for a hard challenge and a nice reward for it then yea, the watch is pretty drippy
Imagine doing all of the missions and you die on hide and seek, even worse yet, your officerš
Is it only the main missions or the dlc and los suenos stories?
main prbly
Just the main 18.
"just"
Hahaha
So is completing the game on Ironman mode without losing a single officer the hardest achievement in the game?
Dosenāt sound that bad
beating the game on hard is prbly harder
Has anyone managed to successfully start a Ironman save without a controller on PC?
mods deleted my screenshot for my greased palms speedrun
Hardest achievement is on 3 letter triad. Incapacitate or arrest 15 subjects in 15 seconds
Is that one PS5 aswell?
that one isnt hard or as tedious as a bunch of other achievements
it takes like 5-10 mins per attempt
Not sure. Its a steam achievement
Took me 4.5 hours of constant runs when i tried it 2mo ago
hardest achievement is definitely beat the 18 maps on hard mode
Would you know how to know if Ironman mode is enabled? Iām scared Iām doing it all for nothing especially if it dosent tell me
beating every map on standard mode iron man is now pretty easy with steel armor buffs
im pretty sure its B and higher
some maps itās C
Depends on the map
Not one hundred percent sure. Check yt or reddit to see if someone has made a step by step guide. Either that or wait for upcoming patch which should be here soon
well its still harder than standard mode ironman no cops lost
Will show as enabled on your save when looking at it on the main menu.
No. Just a pass and complete all main objectives
It dosent
the new m32flash and steelarmor buffs lets u shit on standardmode
without losing too much stress cuz of surrenders too
There is zero minimum score requirement. It is purely down to completing all the main objectives
nah i got a C on sins of father and it didnt count
I had multiple c runs that counted
Then it's not enabled.
But when I made a new Ironman save just to make sure it was the same
sins is B or higher
just dont collect the 30 guns? lmao
There is supposedly a bug for it atm I believe there's some sort of fix by using a controller to activate or something like that hold on.
real ready or not players just kill on hard mode and end the mission š„±
I am on controller, PS5
No guns, 2 officers died didnt report 2 suspects i dont think. Hard mode is trash so i didnt give a shit
Well this still may or may not help: #šarchived-bug-reports-channel message
Its possible there is a minimum score for certain maps
But for ones with more than secure civilians and neutralise suspects, i think its objective requirements
cuz i got a C cuz a civilian died which means a fail for the civilian objectives
I did valley of the dolls on b with killing voss and failed
Though the community manager told you to wait till tomorrow to start in general so I would highly recommend taking his advice.
Since thereās no official statement id assume its a mix of the two
well if voss died that means its prbly objectives r the only requirement
cuz hes an objective and u failed for killing him
I wanna install the SWAT 4 elite force mod but I donāt wanna have to start SWAT 4 over from the beginning lol
Thank you this helped. But now Iām pissed. I have to complete it all over again. I made it to end of the earthš”š¤¬
YES! FINALLY I GOT HIDE AND SEEK
Why is every shotgun in SWAT4 fucking useless
This game really needs a patch
Really disappointed by launch and the glaring issues
Do we have any news on when the bug fixes drop?
Possible foreshadowing: #š¬general-discussion message
Ok sick
Finally something
I'm over the censorship but this game is just not that fun after all the bs it's covered in
Been playing the game for the past 2 weeks and I have to say itās great thus far.
Campaign could have been better in terms of collecting evidence and all and how it relates to each mission. Lots of room to move around in the lobby with different rooms but I felt it could be better utilised e.g. Detective Bureau could be used to forward evidence found/receive instructions on certain evidence needed. Otw, itās a waste and itās like COD & Battlefield.
Just shooting, arresting, etc. and has no difference whatsoever. And the fix for the Lethal Obsession (Gerrard Scott still gets stuck in that hole) - console isnāt working.
The game fine from a gameplay standpoint and it's fun for the most part
But the buggy state and the censorship I don't care about the lost of nudity or post mortem gore but the story gets lost with valley of dolls and the overdose heartbreak is gone in the drug mission.
Overall of the bugs get fixed and they add more content instead of removing it like the game modes I'd be happy.
Sins of the Father is such a big difficulty jump holy
These guys move around a lot
in my eyes there is a more fucked up part in Twisted Nerve (it being a condom in the girls room) and VoD i saw no change (unless your talking about the changes done for Console then i have no expertise in that)
Btw do they just kill civilians on purpose ? I was hearing gunshots but none of my guys were getting shot at so I just assumed it was a bug, but the intro mentions hostages
Suspects can and when push comes to shove will execute hostages/civilians
almost killed a civie that was held hostage with the .50AE M1911
Yeah but it says they take hostages when they do that
Sins they take hostages then end them, Elephant straight up executions
Yeah but either case TOC will say "Suspects have taken hostages" right ?
Yeah, that can instantly tell you that hostages are taken
TOC knows whose a civilian and a suspect at all times
UUuuuuuuuurgh the downstairs is hell
I come down and I'm immediately disoriented
brrrrrrrrrOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please fix the gas mask audio, I see that it said it was fixed on the LSS update but its still busted.
posted about it in the bug reports thread along with other people but no response from devs on any of them
Yeah idk what to do on Sins of the Father anymore
One of these guys just comes out sooner or later out of some tiny angle and kills me in 3 shots
Should I just be rolling heavy armor ? I don't use C2 and all that very much
.308 AP - slap that fucker through the wall and teach him a lesson
c2, wedges, heavy armour and have 2 guys with shields (one on red and one on blue)
and use nvgs + ir laser i actually found the mission to be one of the easier ones (havent tried non lethal tho)
Is it one of the final suspects?
Aaaaand motherfucker was sitting behind a doorway waiting in the kitchen on the right side of the bottom floor, took me and 2 officers out
I never considered having guys with shields though
helps a lot, shields go in first automatically too
shield is meta tho
How do you disarm traps when you broke the door so you can't peek it anymore?
Tried moving forward ever so slightly and it opened and blew up lol
I believe there's is a walk button
I was crouching hahaha
I honestly don't think there's any way to do it
Besides C2 or breach, or if you can just shoot it open
or send a hostage to nudge it
Lmao
Actually I guess if it's like that you would only be able to use breach or shoot the door, doubt you can attach C2 with a hole thru the middle
What does the cover command actually do. They just appear to walk randomly and get killed
Any ready or not groups?
make them cover angles so you can secure
factions or squads?
So are they just shit at it or are they bugged
Donāt matter tbh, I mean squads more though
oh no they're totally shit
Thanks
Has anyone had a suspect disappear on Hide and Seek? Iāve searched the entire map twice over now and I canāt find him.
until they randomly don't because the ai shits itself and decides the shield should swap to the middle of the stack before breaching
and then they unequip the shield halfway through an uncleared room whilst being shot at
because the shield ai was coded by someone who thinks that's fucking normal behaviour i guess
Anyone know if that bug still exists? where your ironman files don't save unless you start it on a controller
Played around with SWAT 4ās āquick level makerā mode. Very fun
Iād love for RoN to have a similar feature
I went to Fairfax Residence but with multiple Andrew Taronnes and Alice Jenkins lol
Imagine going to 4U gas station but every enemy is Amos Voll lol
Those clips people have been posting where people gun down civilians for making remarks to them annoy me to no end
kamisnky alluded that drops tmrw
Like its so stupid, I never kill civilians unless its a accident
yeah, i had my dev watch run ruined by that bug, so i need to know if its fixed or not
community manager told someone to just wait until tmrw to start ironman might mean that the update is gonna drop
sorry to hear that though hopefully tmrw
My ironman mode doesnāt even work idk why like iāll enable it but it still plays exactly like standard where i can fail missions re do them all without losing anything idk why
I know how to fix it
How ?
Its a bug, if you dont start it with a controller plugged in it saves it as a normal file and not an iron
oh tf lol interesting
hopefully fixed in tmrws update according to mr Mahjong Pete in the message above yours
So i just have to create a new ironman save with a controller plugged in?
I think so.
Iāll try it
Thats how it fixed for someone.
this is why I've stopped using them; they can literally decide, while being shot at, that swapping to their primary is a great plan
What time?
yeah and they shouldnt unequip the shield unless you tell them to, its stupid.
@static echo the SWAT AI in single player lowkey is ass rn and having 5 coherent players with synergy especially on hard makes for W experience
he didnāt say he jsud said tmrw
It has to be today right? Itās 5:26
maybe around the morning for me so maybe in like 7 to 8 hours if he wasnāt lying
But do you think itās safe for me to play Ironman mode if it says itās enabled? Like nothing weird will happen like my save getting deleted
I did it and my shit ran perfectly fine only bug I got was gerard in a vent
Did you get the watch aswell? Like everything went smoothly?
yeah I got my watch and the hermit trophy
How long did it all take? From start to finish
Sorry for all the questionsš
3 hours
I waited until I knew the map layouts extensively and after I s ranked solo
Thatās it? I was told like 10h atleast
differs from person to person depending on skill and gunplay
and knowledge
So like, what would you say if I have no map knowledge and just want to get the watch. How long?
probably around 10 hours like you said seeing as youād have to play a lot more carefully but my pea brain knows a lot of the rng spawns š
Dayum
It took me 1 hour to reach the greasy palm map
thatās half way through the game that is not bad time at all
Oh shit! But I quit because that map was impossible, I didnāt want to die because i was on Ironman
all depends on your approach and the mode youāre on
on hard mode I agree that map can be hella aids at times
Isnāt possible to like just quit the second you die? And you spawn with your save file
Not anymore i donāt think
I never ended up having to do it I did it my first run so I canāt say
Atleast it still shows u die on ur career stats
Dang


