👮ron-discussion

[shell bridge]

I envy your confidence

[shrewd oriole]

I lost it all through that

I've had to delete all my mods and re-do more than enough times just to figure out a single mod that does something totally random bricks the game on launch

[raven thunder]

honestly i dont understand modding too well to understand how that works or its purpose

[shell bridge]

Its just folders

You see a gun mod, put that in weapons, see a clothes mod? put it in clothes

its for easy documentation, so you don't have to find specific file names, especially with windows' terrible search

[raven thunder]

and the folders will be in the pak folder or whatever? like where u put the mods?

[shell bridge]

so inside Ready Or Not\ReadyOrNot\Content\Paks, create a folder with the name ~mods

and then extract those folders inside ~mods

[fathom idol]

Are we finally done talking about the thing

[shell bridge]

Gerard's balls? nah we need more introspective discussions

[fathom idol]

No!!

[haughty nova]

We need more male balls duh

[raven thunder]

can you check your dms please

[hollow badge]

when your off the game does your team stress/anxiety go down?

[restive ferry]

No

Just S rank gas station to fix stress

[desert island]

-every mission reduces undeployed swats
-taking civilians and suspects unharmed reduces stress
-killing civilians and suspects increases stress
-putting them in therapy reduces stress faster but only when they stressed or crisis and its faster when they arent crisis

also firing swats increases sstress

swats quitting also increases stress

so if ur like me u can chain together 3 swats into therapy and 9 swats quitting

[narrow dome]

"This is not review bombing" says the review bomber

[eternal crow]

for the hard copies of RoN, is the entire game actually on the disc or is it one of those games where you need an internet connection to download all of it/not all of the content is actually on the disc?

[fervent hinge]

What happens if all my swat quit

[desert island]

nothing u just get 3 rando swats if u play a mission

[fervent hinge]

Ah
So how much this stress factor affect the game

[crude prism]

In commander mode, the traits from your SWAT team are really strong, but they have to survive and complete multiple missions to unlock them

You are incentivized to keep people alive (and un-stressed) because of this.

But you don't really HAVE to engage with the mechanic if you don't wanna

[light nest]

The SWAT AI STINKS

Tell both teams to go and unlock 2 different doors, execute it, and they both go for the exact same door instead

Holy inaccuracy too. 25 rounds of pepperballs and you still can't hit anything

[crude prism]

uh, something something, a team is only as strong as it's leader or whatever

[desert island]

bad commander

my swats can laser all the suspects while i get the credit

[sand hull]

Neil Vana

aside from commander mode, what’s the other single player/story mode game mode

if there is one

[light nest]

Quick play

[sand hull]

ideal

[light nest]

Ft Eli, Prescott, Swan, and king

[sand hull]

the power quadruple

[narrow dome]

Go into meth lab
Turn corner
See suspect
Go to yell
Get gunned down immediately

[eternal crow]

Cant say i've ever tried that but in my experience they've been excellent

I've never split the squad up tho tbf

[desert island]

ur first mistake was to get gunned down immediately

[crude prism]

realistic CQC experience

[timber fjord]

why do the enemies target me only and not even shoot my teammates (which are prob closer to them most of the time)

[lost thunder]

You radiate more aura than the rest

[eternal crow]

i havent had that issue, we all get shot equally in my squad lmfao

[timber fjord]

lmao, no discrimination for you. My suspects are just racist or smth

[inner river]

uhh ok so I've been looking at different attachtments for guns and for the pistol USP 45 I found obsidian supressor, one of it's stats is, increased muzzle velocity??? what does it do, do bullets have more armor penetration, deal more damage against limbs or what

[eternal crow]

lmfao

[narrow dome]

My ai teammates are far too eager to gun people down

[narrow dome]

..the bullet travels faster

[inner river]

alright, but does it have better penetration for armor or walls, does it do more damage against limbs or something?

I'm wondering if it's worth it or not, looks cool tho

[narrow dome]

It travels faster dude

It hits people sooner than it otherwise would. You have ammo for armour penetration and it's the default type

[inner river]

alr thx for explenation

[crude prism]

this label is just cosmetic (lmao)

RoN uses hitscan for all lethal weapons at this point

only some of the nonlethal items use actual projectiles (beanbag, pepperball, 40mm launchers)

[inner river]

interesting lol

[amber dock]

what a shock

[summer carbon]

so we doin 1984 now I see

[crude prism]

classic RoN misinformation, even Void spreads it

[summer carbon]

diddy ahh mods

[amber dock]

What a shock eh

Like how the cosmetics say alot of random stuff

[desert island]

the projectiles r basically hitscan speed

i would say the flash launcher is an instanteous projectile

[narrow dome]

Why do my teammates shoot the suspect I have beanbaged

[timber fjord]

Let's goooo S rank on Valley of the Dolls

[raven thunder]

question does the base game have blood squirting out of bullet holes

[crude prism]

yes

[raven thunder]

hm, then idk if my mod has been applied

but its late so itll require further testing i suppose

[desert island]

his stun timer prbly ended so swat ai recognized they had legal roe to kill him

or he was stunned while in combat which was also legal roe

since u can kill stunned suspects who havent surrendered

[narrow dome]

I beanbaged civilians who were running away and didn't get told off for excessive force

[desert island]

its only unauthorized if they put their hands up

and u didnt give them a warning yet

they must be warned or holding a weapon

and not surrendering

[neat pagoda]

So if i give a warning then beanbag then i wont get told off?

[tropic sleet]

I don’t know if this is true or not but Someone told me that they changed the way ai works to where they don’t hide or conceal weapons is this true?

[covert aurora]

they do both just depends

[rich quartz]

Now

[bitter mason]

They can still do it i think but from my experience some of the more fancy suspect behaviour are extremely rare to come across, likely unintentional

[long elbow]

why is ron getting review bombed

[worn void]

cause censorship, sellout to console essentially

[long elbow]

is it also censorship for pc

[worn void]

yes,,,

[long elbow]

aah, so no more blood n stuff?

[worn void]

nah like nudity is toned down, u cant shoot dead people anymore with extra gore effects, etc.

its just not what the community bought the game for and now they are going back on their mindset

[narrow dome]

A bunch of grown men are whining like babies over arbitrary changes

Changes that can be modded out easily, and the devs are not planning on stopping that

[chilly whale]

^, to be honest, the one thing that would piss me off is if they remove the giant piles of bodies in neon tomb

[worn void]

i think its more of a mindset change from getting backlash to adding certain maps to now pandering to the corporations and making censorship a big deal rather than whining over the change in the game

[long elbow]

but why are they toning gore down

[chilly whale]

its probably in the contract.

[worn void]

cause consoles have different standards

[long elbow]

make a console exclusive version idk?

[worn void]

that takes time and money

[long elbow]

eh

[long elbow]

so its permanent?

[worn void]

yeah and from what i heard there will be no option to change or roll back your game

[long elbow]

okay, thx for explaining

[worn void]

but i would do ur own research and make your own opinions

[narrow dome]

It's a family console(ps5 and Xbox series) that primarily has dad's who play for 2 hours a day with kids that run around, so consoles can be more strict with this kind of thing

[worn void]

me when mortal combat fatality

[fervent hinge]

Console players 😭

[narrow dome]

We are peasants who don't deserve such

[eternal crow]

from what i've seen of the command wheel on controller for RoN it honestly looks kinda terrible but they probably did the best they could

i'm not a dev by any means but would it be possible to bring up a drop down menu rather than a series of wheels?

basically mimicing the PC set up but you'd have to use the dpad to navigate it once its up

i feel like that'd make a lot more sense than that convaluted ass looking wheel

[narrow dome]

You know it's like that on gamepad/steamdeck already right

[eternal crow]

thats what a controller is

[short crow]

We will get used to it

[narrow dome]

That. the series of wheels IS a drop down menu. There's too many commands to just have a singular menu

Chosing a category then choosing a command is not exactly hard to do

[eternal crow]

i'm gonna be playing with a squad of other people anyways so i'm not gonna be worried about the command wheel anyways but i imagine for any of my friends that will probably play it Solo will have a shitty time trying to use that thing

[short crow]

You can control 2 teams in controller right?

[eternal crow]

idk

i only tried using gamepad briefly a few months ago, shooting and movement and all that felt fine

but i cant imagine doing a full solo playthrough using that wheel

to command the AI

my suggestion would be say like, whatever button you press that brings up the wheel, instead of the wheel its the same dropdown command menu that we have on PC, but you can only navigate it with the D-pad, that way you can still move around while using the joysticks, and pressing A enters the command and if you need to exit it just press B. I feel like that'd be a lot easier and less confusing than the wheel shit considering how many hyper specific commands there are for the game, trying to memorize several combinations of wheel inputs just feels kind of ridiculous

[wild bough]

Ngl i have a ps5 pro and i never use it pc is better

More fps and more customization for game settings

[knotty hatch]

What's this I head that back in the day RoN devs got this game supported by Kickstarter because they want to be true to their gritty vision, and the fans supported them only for them to make these censorship that the people who supported them didn't ask for? I guess it isn't only the AAA devs that are two-faced like this

[narrow dome]

Silence peasant

[knotty hatch]

clicks dp, pronouns. Damn, i'm really scared now.

[ionic gale]

why is his pronouns important to this conversation?

[knotty hatch]

Based on this mental rollercoaster you're ready to start, i'm not gonna argue with they/thems. You're all too good at gaslighting, can't beat you there. I've simply talked about how RoN devs basically betrayed their supporters, and your first move was to silence me, isn't that interesting

[green osprey]

Esto-this

[narrow dome]

Because they're a bigot

It's literally as simple as that

[ionic gale]

what the fuck?

I’m confused

[knotty hatch]

Do you folks even know what a bigot is, or is that just a catch-all for people you don't like? If you're the ones who can't change your mind, you're the bigots you know that right.

[narrow dome]

Yeah yeah whatever you say

[ionic gale]

It’s a person who is hostile to a certain group of people albeit

[green osprey]

I just joined this convo but il side with sal lol

[ionic gale]

LGBTQ, Africans, uhh

Basically any groups like those

[sharp solstice]

Seems that someone got muted

[ionic gale]

oh he did

[sharp solstice]

The overlords are watching

Hello mister sir

[green osprey]

May the overlords be praised

[ionic gale]

idk why he brung up pronouns

[sharp solstice]

Praise the overlords

[narrow dome]

Those people never have any real argument so they just resort to attacking your identity

[green osprey]

Random question in swat4 you sometimes had a sniper time sierra 1 is that planned for RON?

[urban walrus]

No

[narrow dome]

Is there a mission in the game you think could make use of a sniper?

[sharp solstice]

Maybe the harbor one?

[green osprey]

Not atm but i was talking of future content

[ionic gale]

Very early concepts of a sniper did kinda exist

[sharp solstice]

Is there even a sniper in game?

[ionic gale]

no not rlly

[narrow dome]

I miss evil dead the game

[sharp solstice]

After you’ve used all the bullets in the breaching shotgun are you just outta luck?

[stone bay]

best you got is the battle rifles

[narrow dome]

Does beanbag have infinite ammo?

[vernal bane]

In what scenario would you use all your breach…

[narrow dome]

Breaching shotgun only challenge

[vernal bane]

No, it doesn’t, though it has a shit ton of ammo

[sharp solstice]

You only get like 6 rounds right? Might be more than six doors in a map

[ionic gale]

I bring a battering ram for that reason

Or I just pick locks or open doors bc

My team don’t need to be doing ALLAT

[sharp solstice]

blowing the door open is a lot of more fun

[narrow dome]

Just kick the door

[sharp solstice]

just wallbang everyone

[ionic gale]

I actually arm my team with different long tacticals

[green osprey]

Does the game have wallbang?

[vernal bane]

You get a lot more than 6. I use it for at least half the doors on any given map

[narrow dome]

Yes

[sharp solstice]

seriously??? someone clearly lied to me then

[ionic gale]

Bullets can ricochet off of some surfaces

There’s also pretty cool feature in the game

[narrow dome]

So do the junkies on twisted nerve ever get on their knees and stab you when you get close?

[sharp solstice]

8 days remainingggggggg

and a couple hours

[narrow dome]

Protocol ten will begin in 8 days

[ionic gale]

Have you ever heard of “height over bore”?

[vernal bane]

Here’s a prime example: Gas station.

In any of my runs, I’ve already used 3 before I reload, and breach holds 4. You reload the weapon completely if you just let it. 3 + 4 = 7, and 7 > 6 already

[green osprey]

Yea its that on close range the sights dont align with the barrel

[gilded lava]

This is positive. Shouldn’t have come to this, but if such mod is released I’d love to have a go.

[ionic gale]

yerp

So you want to compensate for that by having your aim a little bit down or up

[narrow dome]

Someone should made a mod that censors the game even more and has you using finger guns

[sharp solstice]

nerf guns

[narrow dome]

Purely for comedic value btw

[sharp solstice]

it’s nerf or nothing

[narrow dome]

Wtf is your pfp btw

[ionic gale]

Can we get super soakers?

[sharp solstice]

it’s John Payday

[ionic gale]

PD3 Dallas

[green osprey]

For which distance are those sights normally adjusted when used for cqb scenarios?

[sharp solstice]

close ups in pd3 are fking hilarious

[ionic gale]

The game doesn’t have anything like that so uh idk

[narrow dome]

Just aim centre mass and you won't have to care

[green osprey]

I ment irl

[green osprey]

Roger that 🫡 clean center mass shots double taps

[ionic gale]

Maybe Oh

10 yards? Give or take

[dawn portal]

The hype is real 😎

[stone bay]

What's a good grenadier loadout?

[whole plume]

~ 50m tops

[whole plume]

Yes, the suspects can try for you via that method so go careful

[narrow dome]

How do I get image perms

[cloud python]

Nothing but CS Gas

[green osprey]

Man irl i think this must be horrible for police knowing a psycho could just shoot them through walls and or Doors sounds like the stress would be nerve eating

[crystal sierra]

3 letter triad is deffo wrost map design ever for commander mode, they made so much unnessesary stuff, it's unreal. NPCs will often just get stuck in small corner of a big room and not push forward at all while they are actively shooting at them.

[whole plume]

Depends on Gun calibre and wall. All calibres bare like 5.7 will penetrate dry wall, however EU Walls you need something serious (7.62x54R or more) to go through

[green osprey]

My Apartment Building (germany) is old so i mostly got those hard and thick brick walls

[whole plume]

You will be safe then fron most calibres

[green osprey]

Its kinda a meme here that us house walls are like they are made of cardboard xd

[glass heart]

yeah that makes NA cqb significantly more puckering than anywhere else

since any round will zip through any wall

[short ice]

I just came back to this game after not playing it for some months, only to see that RON got a censorship

[short ice]

VOID developers, let me ask you this. What kind of crack are you smoking that you're censoring an +18 game? 🤡

[short ice]

hurr durr we must add censorship because of the consoles!!!! HURR DURR

[glass heart]

specifically because of the crossplay

[green osprey]

Console games. In for example the usa arent allowed to be rated AO =18 they can only be M=17

[glass heart]

they wouldnt have gone to all this trouble if they considered this idea, and its unlikely they are gonna back out so soon to the release

[dawn portal]

I’m glad there is crossplay, means I can play with my friends who own Xbox 🙂

[short ice]

then tell him to get a PC instead of sitting on that hot garbage

[green osprey]

Exactly playing with friends who have different maschines is awesome but i guess some people dont know what friends are

[dawn portal]

I don’t like PC gaming either, I’m on PS5 lol

[short ice]

PC is superior to Consoles regardless

[tidal crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/644125937096720407/1355144775430570025/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[dawn portal]

I don’t understand this mentality that PC gamers are better than console gamers. The PC community have clearly shown that they are in fact not better, by threatening, insulting and saying they will grief console users when the game releases.

[whole plume]

Cause they are

[short ice]

???
Never heard of anyone threatening console players

that's just some bullshit pulled out of someone's ass

[glass heart]

imo pc as a gaming platform is superior to console but comparing the players is not acceptable

[gaunt gale]

No, it happens, a considerable amount which is honestly kinda sad

[dawn portal]

I agree, PC has a hardware will always be a step above console, but I just enjoy the console platform for the ease of use tbh, the plug and play aspect

[glass heart]

and ergonomically pc seems better, its like comparing AK and AR ergonomics, sure both are functional but one is clearly superior

[green osprey]

This is why in 2021 i switched to consola

[gaunt gale]

I disagree, mostly. Controllers are a helluva lot more comfortable and statistically less likely to cause RSI in your hands and wrists.

Though a properly ergonomic KBM setup is pretty easy on the ol' tendons and joins

[dawn portal]

I just hope eventually people will calm down, I joined this server to find people to play with and have fun, but as of right now it’s quite literally a war zone 😅

[green osprey]

One thing i find keyboards n mouse better for is aiming
But for Racing,fighting games and chilling i like controllers

[gaunt gale]

Agreed. Certain games lend themselves to better certain layouts

[dawn portal]

Agreed

Also, hope you’re doing well Kaminsky 🙂

[spark field]

I wonder if thats why I got carpal tunnel

[green osprey]

When i used to play csgo i used super low sens to aim well but god did it make my wrist hurt

[scarlet flax]

It’s been like this for at least two years. Most of the members just rotate the thing they are all arguing about. Or belittle others because they can’t beat a level in 2 minutes.

Personally you’ll probably have more luck just pubbing through the lfg.

Unfortunately the amount of people that actually like helping the newer players with map knowledge and tactics/whatever are vastly outweighed by people just talking bad about the game.

Oh, and therems the spread sheet man lol

[dawn portal]

Thanks for the heads up lol

[stone bay]

I still believe that for what this game has, it's pretty solid. Just needs to work on some stuff is all.

[green osprey]

Better friendly ai cough

[stone bay]

That's one

A better movement system would be nice. Just fast walking everywhere, especially on the large maps, is a pain when you're against the clock.

[lunar blade]

Better ROE too, I've gotten UUOF for shooting someone aiming a gun at me.

[stone bay]

It's just the animations

[glass heart]

yeah the issue is that until the enemy is designated as hostile they give you UUOF, even if the animation is deceiving or if in a real situation it would be a good shoot

[stone bay]

Then there's stuff I'd wish they'd add in. Tackling would be neat, or some other form of grappling to make melee engagements engaging.

[lunar blade]

Yeah, like the stuff they can get away with is insane. Got UUODF for headshotting a suspect with a hostage and when they fake surrender.

[glass heart]

grappling, some tactical ladders, and shutting off the lights are sorely needed

[green osprey]

Oh thatd be good! Dealing with knife armed supsect seems odd sometimes

[glass heart]

you would never go hands on with a knife wielding suspect, in an american PD anyway

[lunar blade]

Having stuff like more teammate designations would be nice, like in a hostage situation, you would probably find the time to get a sniper set up which would make for a lot of new situations.

[glass heart]

no idea why there isnt a Sierra 1 & 2 in the game already

[stone bay]

What if the suspect was hiding and ran up on you

[glass heart]

then you are forced to do that, but my point is you would never go hands on if you had any other option

[stone bay]

That's what I'm asking for, a way to deal with that scenario

[lunar blade]

Quietly moving through port BANG "One suspect down"

[green osprey]

Its also for the fact that if they are too close and your gun is too long u cant shoot id just bash em with the rifle at that. Point XD

[glass heart]

yeah that one is dumb

the rifle bash is also too anemic

[stone bay]

Well that's all you can do

[glass heart]

if you buttstroke someone that is gonna do some serious damage, compared to gently tapping them with the muzzle

[green osprey]

Idk what anemic means in that context i think medically thats lack of iron lol

[glass heart]

it means its weak, similar to the effect anemia has on people that suffer from it

one issue with buttstroking would be the buffer tube on most rifles in the game might get compromised

[half edge]

I've gotten UUOF on dudes pointing guns at me, then on the same map not being penalized for shooting someone who wasn't even holding a gun (the orange jumpsuit lady on the oil rig).

[glass heart]

it would be safer to try that with a g3 rather than an AR

[glass heart]

sometimes both in this game and in swat 4 team ai will straight up shoot unarmed suspects

its pretty funny to see them not give a fuck sometimes

to be fair both those cases were modded, that might be it

[green osprey]

Sounds realistic jk

[lunar blade]

Damn, never seen someone allowed to basically commit 2nd degree murder.

[glass heart]

objective: delete bodycam footage before backup arrives

[half edge]

Orange jumpsuit seems to be a suspect despite not being armed

and is consistently able to be shot from distance without penalty

[lunar blade]

Lethal or not lethal hits?

[half edge]

lethal

[lunar blade]

Damn

[glass heart]

lethal, non lethal can be used on anyone without penalty

[half edge]

im talking mag dump as they run away

[lunar blade]

You can get UUOF

[glass heart]

think its only on civilians or surrendered suspects

[green osprey]

In germany shooting someone in the back in most cases is ilegal for the police

[lunar blade]

No, you can get UUOF for just shooting a suspect.

[glass heart]

it depends on the context, if letting them escape poses a threat to officers' safety or the public's then you can shoot them in the back, otherwise you cant

[green osprey]

Ah as i thought

[stone bay]

Bist du Deutscher?

[green osprey]

Ja

[stone bay]

Wunderbar. Mein Großvater spricht Deutsch und hat mir ein bisschen davon beigebracht. Duolingo hat mir den Rest geholfen.

[green osprey]

Ah cool, kommt dein Großvater ursprünglich aus Deutschland?

[stone bay]

Nein, er kommt aus Amerika, er reist nur.

[fervent hinge]

Is the game worth getting anymore
For the full price

[shell bridge]

don't use cdkeys sites

generally they are bought using stolen credit cards

just buy on discount, rn there is a discount going on

[green osprey]

This

[narrow dome]

They're also usually scams

Half the time the key won't work

[fervent hinge]

What

[frank coral]

Can't say I've ever had a problem with key resellers tbh, so long as they accept PayPal (or you have a PayPal card) it's very easy to get your money back if the key doesn't work

[stone bay]

You fuckers lied to us.

Stop babying down the game we bought & paid for.

[narrow dome]

Get bent

[stone bay]

Good day

[sudden flicker]

Hate how they removed shit for consoles

[green osprey]

I like that they make the game more accessible by porting it to other platforms

[near belfry]

i get they have to appease the ESRB for console release but if they could make a setting to enable " Realism Mode" on pc that would make everyone happy

[shell bridge]

I think it didn't satisfy the esrb rating board or whatever

mods to add back it on pc is the next best option

[near belfry]

thing that sucks though if your playing via GeForce Now you cant play with mods that im aware of.

[wild bough]

I got killed by one shot with a ballistic mask?

[fervent hinge]

I mean I'm on console anyway

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[meager fossil]

any tips for hide and seek S rank?

[fluid depot]

Pepper ball guns

[wild bough]

Disgusting

[meager fossil]

i use em already since you told me once. Anything else??

[fervent hinge]

Bubble heh

[wild bough]

Wut

[fervent hinge]

Bubble from amazing digitla circus

[wild bough]

Ok

[desert grove]

Besides pepperball I like to bring a couple tasers. Each taser you put on your loadout gives you 6 shots, so two tasers is more than enough. They're good for getting suspects to comply faster than pepperballs, but the taser can't be used past a certain range. Trying to use it outside of the main warehouse won't work because of too many long sightlines

[narrow geode]

Dont s rank
It sucks

[meager fossil]

Alr thank you :3

[meager fossil]

i need the achivment

[desert grove]

Or this lol

[desert grove]

Np hope it helps

[timber fjord]

ah yes, neon tomb... The map where a beanbag just made an enemy explode...

there goes my S rank attempt

[dire horizon]

Premature detonation, happens to the best of us

[timber fjord]

bro i shot like 5 beanbags in this dude and he just unalive bombed me...

wtf is this map bro

[desert grove]

Neon tomb was probably the hardest S rank in the game for me,and thats on top of all the dlc.

I wouldn't use beanbag on that mission,there's already WAYYYY too many things that can go wrong.

I talked to a friend that's gotten all achievements in the game and he was telling me if you do neon tomb in commander mode with your AI having intimidator perks, its cause the enemy AI to be more likely to go into "to the death mode" because their moral is already more likely go "into the death" because the way their AI is setup... or at least that's how I remember what he said

[meager fossil]

taze em

[dire horizon]

Gas should work too

[timber fjord]

So what ur saying is?? I don't understand the death mode

[meager fossil]

dosent work for me

[timber fjord]

Won't work when enemy is at the other side of the hall way

[dire horizon]

Can they detonate while coughing?

[meager fossil]

they did like twice for me

[meager fossil]

how the hell is he killing you from that far then

[timber fjord]

Ummm... by shooting me?

[desert grove]

The enemy AI has a "moral meter" and once it gets full from hearing gunshots, calls for compliance etc theyre more likely to get to that state where they'll fight you "to the death"

[timber fjord]

Oh, so i should not use "intimidator" thing

[desert grove]

Gas is less likely to work on the suspects of neon tomb. FYI

[meager fossil]

oh i thought you meant the bombers

[dire horizon]

Damn

[desert grove]

Not for that mission. Relapse also had issues with intimidator from what my friend said but i could be wrong

[timber fjord]

ok, the stupid suspect just went through my gas grenade and killed me WHILST MY FUCKING TEAMMATES WATCHED AND DID NOTHING IM SKIPPING THIS SHIT MAP

[turbid juniper]

Intimidator trait has nothing to do with it, just stay away from bomb suspects, they won't surrender if you too close

[timber fjord]

alright

is pepper ball gun better than beanbag??

[turbid juniper]

Depends, with pacifier trait pepperballs + gas = best loadout for S

[timber fjord]

oh nice

[desert grove]

Gas is less likely to work on the suspects of neon tomb. But its still the best NL option besides the taser. But that's another mission where you won't be able to main the taser because of long sightlines. Need to know when to use what

[timber fjord]

Sooo, it's kinda of a 50/50 with both gas and taser on neon?

[turbid juniper]

No, gas effective against suspects on neon as on any other map, the only problem is bombers

[desert grove]

That's not how it works lol. Explained in detail:
Intimidator: The Player's & SWAT AI's presence (Not shouting, shooting or beaching. Simply being looked at.) damages Civilian and Suspect Morale. The Player or SWAT AI must be seen for this to take effect.*
*Apparently only applies to Suspects & Civilians unaware of you. Making it only useful early in missions before gunfire happens. In my personal experience it seems to continue functioning long after gunfire has started.
Effect stacks twice. (+50%, +100% more morale Damage from presence.)

[desert grove]

It's a 50/50 with gas. Taser is more reliable

[timber fjord]

But what does intimidator really do? Make them surrender faster??

[timber fjord]

How long can it reach?? Ik there's some long areas on neon

[desert grove]

Sorry Im not sure of the exact distance on the taser

[timber fjord]

That's alright, ty tho

[turbid juniper]

What it has to do with bombers? I know that intimidator dies not work on some maps with already alerted suspects

[timber fjord]

Yea that guy ate 5 beanbags and still decided to unalive everyone via bomb

[turbid juniper]

20m

[timber fjord]

Ty

imma try to use the negotiator and pacifier and veteran traits

[jovial lagoon]

Sorry to say this but the fact that the Censor Drama has gotten so big, SomeOrdinaryGamers made a video about it, worries me... And what worries me more is what VOID is going to do after...

[desert grove]

Is specifically the AI in that mission. The bombers can get stuck in a glitched out state where they'll act like theyre surrendering and then continue to run at you or anyone nearby. I had this happen in over 5 runs

[turbid juniper]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[timber fjord]

ok that seems like a bug

[turbid juniper]

Nope

[timber fjord]

wtf

[turbid juniper]

You can zero suspects morale with some stun effect and they also won't shoot you, unless provoke

With taser only and 2 intimidators you can complete almost every mission without any suspects shooting

[timber fjord]

Yea but the taser range seems kinda bad for neon

which should i replace with intimidator:veteran, pacifier, negotiator

pacifier seems good for beanbag and negotiator makes them surrender faster whitch ill prob need

[turbid juniper]

20 meters is more than enough for neon #👮ron-discussion message

[timber fjord]

Yea but theres some very long areas tho where its way above 20 meters

Im gonna log off the game now but ill try ur tips on my next run later

[turbid juniper]

Negotiator or pacifier if you don't have it

[timber fjord]

so veteran is the best out of the three to keep?

alrighty

[turbid juniper]

2 negotiators with 1 pacifier must have for S runs

Veteran is bad, don't take it

[timber fjord]

oh alright

[turbid juniper]

15% accuracy for swat ai do nothing

[timber fjord]

So im running: 2x intimidator, pacifier, negotiator

[timber fjord]

Oh thats pretty trash ngl

now i just have to do gas station a couple of times to level them up

[desert island]

veteran is good theyll destroy suspects with beanbags

[turbid juniper]

That good setup, but I would swap intimidator to another negotiator for 50% surrender chance from yell, unless your main weapon is taser

[timber fjord]

So if im running beanbag, use more negotiator and if im using taser, use more intimidator

[desert island]

pacifier makes beanbag 100% chance to surrender and veteran makes swat destroy with beanbag

[timber fjord]

omg im so confused

[desert grove]

No. Look at my post above that explains what intimidator does in detail.

[timber fjord]

im gonna crash out because of this game

[desert grove]

I already explained IN DETAIL why suspects are running straight at you with IEDs on that mission.

[timber fjord]

Its confusing cuz so many messages then you said to use more negotiator for 50% surrender chance unless im using taser

[pine skiff]

Is the sleeper agent achievement possible in multiplayer? Like can my friend and I start simultaneously arresting the suspects once we gather them? Or does only one of us have to do it?

[desert grove]

Im not the one naming a bunch of other perks. Im specifically talking about intimidator and the negative impact it has on suspects morale in that mission

[fiery solstice]

Breaking: SWAT team replaces flashbangs with therapy dogs to comply with Xbox standards. Suspects now subdued via emotional support and mild language.

[jovial lagoon]

Ye

But i recommend you do it alone like me

It feels way more satisfying getting the achievement alone after 120 tries hahaha

It was the best way to finish my achievement hunt

[turbid juniper]

With taser 2 pacifiers 2 intimidators or 2 negotiators instead of intimidator if you not familiar with suspects stress mechanic
With beanbag 2 negotiators and 2 pacifier for 50% surrender chance from each stun and first yell

[timber fjord]

oh alright

[turbid juniper]

Or you can take armorer with ceramic plates instead of 1 pacifier, but I would swap beanbag to vpl

[desert grove]

This is good advice 👍

[fiery solstice]

i still find it funny that a studio willing to add a school shooting. is cencoersing a child o'ding

[shy tulip]

You should find it more funny that the regulation/rules for console allow school shootings but not nudity

[fiery solstice]

💀

[jovial lagoon]

As long as we get more brutal scenarios like School shootings, bank heists, serial killers, domestic terrorism and more...

They better compensate with more brutal content

[shy tulip]

Legend says the more people ask for a bank map it adds another week to its release

[fiery solstice]

when we getting k9 dogs fr

[jovial lagoon]

Fuck :"<

But fr i want to see something like Mexico style ops in terms of operations, the shit that happens in Mexico is worthy of being in RON

[shy tulip]

Narcos but LSPD gets an apache to GAU down the MG suspect

[stable kernel]

Where are my drones, halligan, sprinting, pvp, etc

Can’t forget ladders

[shy tulip]

Something about ladders specifically in that sentence gave me a headache

[desert island]

here comes the steel ladder

[narrow dome]

You aren't funny

[jovial lagoon]

That would be cool, but what i mean is something like what happened recently... Guardia Nacional found a fucking concentration camp made by Jaliscos cartel, where a lot of kids and women bodies were found

[shy tulip]

yeaaah be careful talking about that kinda stuff (mainly try to treat it respectfully)

[buoyant pecan]

I find it funny that Sony was fine with school shootings and massacres, but a child ODing and some nudity is too far

[jovial lagoon]

I thought it was funny :x

[narrow dome]

You aren't real, clearly

[long dome]

Bank map ?
What bank map ?
I want a bank map !
Gimme bank map !!

[buoyant pecan]

Serial killer map is probably my most wanted

[jovial lagoon]

Yeah true, my bad.
But its the fuckdup reality of my country sadly

[lone oracle]

theres some highhh qual modded ones

honestly yall kinda got competition with some of these modded maps 😂 these people are impressive

[jovial lagoon]

Swat 4 maps adapted to RON on Nexus are peak modding

[shy tulip]

No modded map compares to RoNs gem...

Mirage at Sea

[trail radish]

Same with pvp, except it adds another year

[buoyant pecan]

I played Mirage for the first time recently and shit got so intense when TOC suddenly mentioned an active shooter situation and then the music got dramatic

[frank coral]

Yeah if you don't detain the sheikh dude in time it becomes active shooter

[desert island]

school shooting was ok cuz they were adults not kids

no kids in the hospital too

[frank coral]

Elephant really did just feel like a high school that was pinkie-swearing it was a college campus

[shy tulip]

as a floridian it feels like both

Felt like a college I toured here

[lone oracle]

i mean ofc ur gonna say that lol

but truly some of them are almost up to par theres some really thought out ones on nexus

oh just mirage at sea na yea clears every map
ever
man

[frank coral]

"There's a bomb in the children's ward but don't worry, all the kids managed to be evacuated safely"

[buoyant pecan]

Felt like a bit of both prolly cause it’s a community college

[trail radish]

I like the remakes of some of the older maps that one modder did

[desert island]

all the babies ran out we good

[buoyant pecan]

Ain’t there bloodstains in the pediatrician area

[frank coral]

That was adult blood, you can tell by the pixels

[shy tulip]

tbf the first thing I would do as a doctor/nurse is grab the kids and run

Granny has her own two legs that work

[buoyant pecan]

Yea

[desert island]

first thing i would do is karate chop the tearists

they picked the wrong hospital to tearize

[buoyant pecan]

Personally I use the “that’s my purse! I don’t know you!” Method

[lethal karma]

Pediatric floor SOP in a mass shooting is to lock down the unit and funnel the kids into a side room. This can vary by facility. So if RoN was truly dedicated to realism the stupid wheelchair room would/could be full of scared kiddos and a couple nurses. Like the trapped kiddo on Thank you, come again.

[buoyant pecan]

Imagine if Valley had a kid in the basement

I feel like that would’ve definitely been removed

[lethal karma]

Well we definitely know we won’t get anything shocking like that in future content

[lethal karma]

Would have been absolutely fucked, but in line with voids OG vision.

[shy tulip]

Nothing shocking because of nudity at the least

[desert island]

theres the crib

[lethal karma]

Oh yeah that baby room with the cameras 🤮

[buoyant pecan]

I’m saying imagine if they had a kid in that room. Even fully clothed and just sleeping that would’ve been horrifying

[buoyant pecan]

I felt sick the first time I saw that

[lethal karma]

Man the crib with the cameras alone is stomach churning enough. I can’t imagine how I’d feel if there was a pediatric NPC locked in Volls basement.

[buoyant pecan]

Yeah I’m kinda glad they didn’t do that

[desert island]

well lorewise the npc wouldnt be alive

[buoyant pecan]

We don’t need to turn this into a certain movie from Serbia

[desert island]

since he was getting rid of evidence

[fluid depot]

Heavy armor with ceramic

Gas masks

[lethal karma]

My friend and I have S ranked mansion, so we straight delta team that shit now. Anything that moves, dies.

[buoyant pecan]

Snuff film ring mission when

[desert island]

S rank by killing

[buoyant pecan]

It’s already fucked up enough that sometimes Janey’s teenage friends spawn in the basement
Like Amos was preying on his own daughter’s friends at her birthday party

[desert island]

i think its always dudes

[lethal karma]

Y’all remember the previous version of the car dealership that had the mattress pit with like 20 “rooms” for taking advantage in f trafficking victims?

[buoyant pecan]

Tho there’s signs pretty heavily hinting at that too

[buoyant pecan]

Sometimes I’ve got female NPCs down there too

[desert island]

i saw the cleaning lady down there once

[lethal karma]

That mattress pit was a pain to clear, and disturbing as all get out the think about.

[buoyant pecan]

Once there was a girl down there yelling “help us!”

[desert island]

also isnt there like a dude with sunglasses who uses a gun

who is that guy

[lethal karma]

That’s Amos

[buoyant pecan]

Yup
He apparently used to have a name and was listed as a suspect named “Levi Shanks”

[buoyant pecan]

Naw Amos doesn’t wear sunglasses

[gritty relic]

Game still worth getting despite the censorship?

[buoyant pecan]

I don’t get why they removed him as a suspect considering he stands out among the enemy NPCs

[desert island]

yeah hes the only other suspect who isnt a guard

[buoyant pecan]

I’d say so yea

[desert island]

and he only spawns in the basement

[lethal karma]

My bad. The second I see a firearm I start blasting.

[gritty relic]

U think they will reverse the decision or we will have mods to play the original?

[buoyant pecan]

It’s all good that guy is his accomplice so he deserves it too

[narrow dome]

You need to go non lethal for s rank right? Or at least arrest everyone

[amber dock]

Uh huh

[narrow dome]

Can someone tell that to the A.I then

[amber dock]

No

[lethal karma]

It will still be the same game more or less. You have to decide whether or not you want to support devs that have shown they will change up for money. I personally wouldn’t trust Void going forward not to make more changes to the game if they get backed into a corner.

[hearty summit]

guys i try find if can turn off crossplay with pc players on console. I'd rather play with new ppl who are hyped than ppl crying

[lethal karma]

Bröther you can

[lethal karma]

The devs have stated multiple times that crossplay will be optional for all platforms. Bye bye Felicia.

[hearty summit]

thank you

[brisk scaffold]

16k pepper playin rn

[candid patio]

in terms of gameplay its one of the most satisfying tactical shooters i've played, its great. The game is still good, censorship won't change that, the problem people have is that ready or not tackled alot of uncomfortable themes and faced you with the harsh reality of the job, censorship kind of just lessened the weight of the story, although not enough to deter me from the game completely.

Just no gerard schlong for you to see...

[gritty relic]

Yh I thought it was messed up they censor the PC version when that was not needed and its only to make their life easier. Idk if i wanna support that

[candid patio]

i kind of understand, what I don't really get is the post-partum dismemberment change, its a bit nitpicky imo

[gritty relic]

Even tho i have been looking at this game since EA

I just keep being reminded lately how games you buy can be altered like this retroactively, even in singleplayer. It's an insane time to be a gamer.

[narrow dome]

I literally can't they gun down whoever they see the moment they aggro

[shy tulip]

It's a requirement for some countries, idk, ask them

(Idk exactly which)

[lethal karma]

They are gonna return fire no matter what, so if you don't want the AI killing anyone. Swap their primary weapons with less lethal like a beanbag or pepperball.

[tired shard]

Changing things in a game later down the line for the purposes of making more money when it hurts the player experience is one thing, but censoring some really hardcore stuff to just be a little worse for the purposes of complying with guidelines that they don't control is another. I get it takes away from the experience a little but I feel like people are blowing this way out of proportion for what it actually is.

Like this is the kind of reaction you would give if a game like this introduced loot boxes or micro transactions or something

[dawn portal]

I agree censoring sucks but my want and desire to play the game vastly outweighs the changes made

[frank coral]

My gut's telling Me it's Australia

[shy tulip]

I too blame the spiders

[gritty relic]

They could have censored it for consoles only and people wouldn't be mad. If integrity is really what they cared most about, they would eat the extra word required to support a console and PC version for the sake of maintaining players trust and the game's integrity as a "hyper-realistic" swat shooter

*work required

Plenty of games have both console and PC verison for this very reason

[frank coral]

Maybe if they weren't so preoccupied with games for adults containing adult content, they would've won the war against emus

[fallen helm]

Will the valley of the dolls have any changes to it? Or it will 100% untouched (im talking pc version)

[fickle canopy]

will ron be cross platform with the consol release

[vague vector]

what is all this censhorship stuff about js saw all the negative reviews

[shy tulip]

PC is untouched, console will have more blurring about the basement I think, something like that

[shy tulip]

#announcements

huh, do we really not have a yes crossplay sticker, shame on Crussong'

Yes it will have crossplay

[fickle canopy]

thank you

[vague vector]

ah i see

i dont think its much of a deal but this is from a super casual player (i barely play) for more realists i could see why

[lethal karma]

Idk if void realizes how hurtful it is to PC players who have been here all through early access to have the game switched up on us just for some console money

[shy tulip]

They are aware, but it is a choice that has to happen for more people to be able to experience the game at all (without being banned at least)

It is funny seeing some people go "Just release the game and then push the original through" as if the game wouldn't be banned in 10 minutes

[unreal jasper]

So... forgive my ignorance. The concole companies are big mad that it isnt censored on pc.... Even if it was just censored on the console version? They want it censored on the PC version too?

[lethal karma]

They are censoring it on PC in order to make sure PC/console crossplay works

[languid sapphire]

Do you all think it would be possible for VOID to put out an official mod that undoes all the censoring?

[shy tulip]

Crossplay is one of the big issues, but it leads more into having two game versions just not being possible for the devs to manage

[lethal karma]

Without the option to play the original flavor version with no console crossplay

[unreal jasper]

And Im assuming they have already thrown out the window an option for PC players to disable crossplay to get the original experience?

[languid sapphire]

Because it has veen confirmed that we can undo everything through mods, so wondering if VOID is gonna take that step and release an official mod on nexus for it

[lethal karma]

Can't and don't want to are very different.

[tired shard]

I think they did it on both to enable cross play. I could see them possibly implementing the option to disable cross play and disabling the censorship, but it might be tricky to implement as it actively swaps game assets on certain missions (but maybe not that hard idk I'm not a game dev)

[shy tulip]

Kaminsky went on a yap earlier about how it is not possible for Void, the TLDR being: double the work, double the game

[vague vector]

maybe js not make cross play? isnt that simpler and not really the number one thing that drives sales?

[shy tulip]

Crossplay is a big thing in COOP PVE in general, it is certainly a driver in any game

[amber dock]

Any console game that exists on PC and console must have crossplay

[tired shard]

Even with the backlash it's probably a lot more popular among players to have cross play instead of just not have censorship

[amber dock]

it's like standards in todays age

[tired shard]

(all players across all devices anyway)

[vague vector]

i guess so but idk when i think of ron crossplay doesnt really come to mind😂

some games i agree crossplay is needed

[twilit laurel]

whats the best ar yall use? i normally use the really short .300 blackout one

[amber dock]

colt 727

but its a mod gun

sadly

[vague vector]

i mean cross play is ofc more ideal than censorship but wasnt RoN's defining feature that it wasnt censored

[twilit laurel]

☹️

[shell bridge]

my man

I use the 733 tho

[tawdry lagoon]

URGI 10.5 Treson-U goes wild

[twilit laurel]

ok

[languid sapphire]

I don't use Ars
Supernova all the way!

[twilit laurel]

cs gun

[prime wing]

Having both nda and public build was rough for everyone. So although they can, they clearly shouldn’t run two builds

[tired shard]

I think it has more to do with the actual situations than what they show or don't show (like nudity). I feel like people forget the game is still full of child abuse, human trafficking, drug cartels, and all kinds of other messed up topics. None of that disappeared, they just covered up some characters and made a kid sleeping instead of convulsing.

[lethal karma]

yup. and now it is just another tacticool shooter game.

[dire mango]

Idc about the cover up but im wondering why it was done so sloppily

Like.. they couldve made the child look less like she was taking a nap and given the women tattered clothes instead of them rocking fresh calvin kleins

[narrow dome]

Dead/overdosing people often look like they are asleep

[dire mango]

Most dead people dont look like that. Typically their eyes are open

[tired shard]

I also feel like it might be a little more immersive to blur out/pixelate privates instead of adding clothes, similar to body cam footage, but I also get they're not necessarily trying to make it look like body cam footage

[lethal karma]

speaking for myself I'd forgo crossplay to have the game left alone.

[amber dock]

Be civil.

[dire mango]

Why the hostility??

What the fucks your problem man

[tawdry lagoon]

fr

[lethal karma]

That's actually a sick idea, and I would be fully on board. Still kinda annoying, but way less immersion breaking than trafficking victims sprouting Victorias Secret.

[dire mango]

Thatd be really cool actually

[lethal karma]

I work in healthcare. They absolutely don't. They are blue, convulsing, and choking for air. It is not a pleasant sight.

[narrow dome]

And I'm the pope

[dire mango]

Who shit in your cereal

[finite seal]

what??

[tired shard]

Or maybe add a toggle option between that or clothing could be cool

[green osprey]

Thats a german expression lol

[lethal karma]

If this is directed at me then @me otherwise IDK what you are getting at

[lament jackal]

Quick question, has the censorship update been pushed out yet?

[dire mango]

No dw it was at sal lol. Youre 100% right about what you said

[dire mango]

Im actually mostly german lmao

[tawdry lagoon]

I don't understand why the PC version just can't have like an optional uncensored button in the settings. I outright refuse to believe that would create such a problem for the further development process.

[tired shard]

Like adding pixelation on people's genitals like they do in real life body cam footage instead of just putting clothing on characters to cover them up

[narrow dome]

They're claiming random shit on the Internet Rhayader can't be proved or disproved. "I work in health care" yeah and I'm the king of mars

[finite seal]

it actually would, but your file size would double for something like that

[lament jackal]

Source: Trust me bro

[finite seal]

it would be out of place considering you arent playing in a bodycam your playing through the eyes of judge

[dire mango]

Are you mentally ill?

[tawdry lagoon]

you don't need two diferent game versions just two different assets depending on the setting.

[tired shard]

Yeah that's what I was saying. Probably wouldn't fit just an idea tho

[dire mango]

I will pray for you

[green osprey]

And im a multi millionaire and ex navy seal and piano virtuoso

[lethal karma]

"Two whole builds!" looks over at H3VR with like three separate build, more on occasion

[lament jackal]

I actually worked for Blizzard for 7 years

[tawdry lagoon]

Yeah apparently every single video game with a gore intesifier setting has to double it's size 😂

[finite seal]

no, speaking from a place of experience its basic math, you have all the content in your game loaded into binary files, then more files then you need stability files and intermediary files to bridge the gap (your game might crash) which would be just more code that would be impossible to do in 9 days

[finite seal]

that isnt the thing though, it isnt just a simple switch.

void interactive studio size is 300 people btw

[lethal karma]

I have a bachelors in Radiologic Imaging, and am licensed in X-ray, CT and MRI. I'm typing this from behind the console of a Siemens MAGNETOM Skyra console while a MRI Brain w/ + w/o cooks.

[green osprey]

A few days ago peeps said 60

[lament jackal]

You wouldn't need the ENTIRE game bro, you need the the uncensored and censored version of the assets in question, and a few lines of code to change which asset gets loaded. That would add like 14Mb in size to the game.

[prisma tusk]

It's between 50 and 100.

[lament jackal]

That's like saying you need to buy a whole extra car to replace the wheels on the one you already own. So you can put the old wheels on the new car, and the new wheels on the old car.

[tawdry lagoon]

I don't see how that has to do with implementing a gore setting. We're not talking about redesigning the entire source code lol

[green osprey]

Jill how is chris?

[lament jackal]

Exactly, its an asset change. There will be a >500mb mod that comes out with the update.

[tawdry lagoon]

Hung-over and miserable

[finite seal]

you actually would to prevent overlay + issues, if you want CP in one map what would happen if you just dump the two assets and told them to go to one map specifically? do you see the issue? we could do a checksum to see if all players are PC or Console or we could just remove crossplay (deenabling the entire point of having seperate games) which is out of the question

[winged elbow]

Fr

[tawdry lagoon]

I don't see why it couldn't be a client side thing.

[finite seal]

we can talk about gore too a "simple gore switch' would effect HUNDREDS of npcs which you neeed copies of, these two npcs need their own AI Behavior, dialogue, reaction scripts

[dire mango]

Honestly i dont even think the clothes would be that unimmersive if they put a little more effort in making the textures look worn out

[finite seal]

client and server side, okay, client is all relying on the storage in your pc, serverside is where VOid interactive has set up servers to store files and/or run them.

[lament jackal]

If its client side, crossplay wouldn't be an issue. Just because a game is crossplay doesn't mean you need the exact same build, same assets, same code, same everything.

[finite seal]

oh yes your referring too client side as in the side where the game runs

[lament jackal]

Is English your first language?

[finite seal]

is manners your first principle?

[lament jackal]

Say yes without saying yes

[finite seal]

🙏 get well soon

[lament jackal]

🫡 Will do Officer Inbred

[amber dock]

Be civil

[finite seal]

that is extremely rude and off topic

[lament jackal]

News flash!

[dire mango]

Ron discussion trying to be civil for more than 5 minutes

[tawdry lagoon]

I'm sorry but if this is such a complicated thing to do that it requires rewriting a major part of the source code I have nothing else to say other than that's some poor programming 🤷‍♂️ Valve for example has two different CS2 versions one for the Chinese players and one for the rest of the world and yet you can play together even though the chinese cs2 has differences in skins, agents and some other minor changes.

[finite seal]

no it isnt about the source code, it's about making two seperate assets

one that is censored, and one that isnt and adding gore for the uncensored and gore without is a whole seperate beast

which is why you wont see mods that will revert the ronsole changes on pc for like a couple weeks up to 2 months

that isnt just a cheap 60 gigabyte folder that will just delete your current game and replace it with an earlier build of ready or not

try doing all of these changes with 50-100 people at a time and you have 9 days before release.

[shy tulip]

Weeks feels like a bit much

[rose bison]

valve also has significantly more resources then the RON team

[green osprey]

And a different engine and experience in using it

[finite seal]

okay yeah maybe your right about that,

[shy tulip]

Game was also probably built with restrictions in mind, but that's speculative tbh

[tawdry lagoon]

They're welcome to postpone the reimplementation of gore to a later date. As long as it's actually done.

Besides, the console release is gonna give them more resources to work with.

[finite seal]

maybe we'll see change with the following months

[green osprey]

I still cant belive what the other person called u lol

[finite seal]

people are assholes and dont know what civil means

[strange depot]

Did you know changing the difficulty from casual to hard affects the swat AI

[finite seal]

unconfirmed

[strange depot]

It’s what the devs said in the private discord. We’ll have to see it for ourselves

[fallen helm]

Is the censorship discussion still ongoing or its already penalized with mutes?

[finite seal]

NDA??

[green osprey]

Law suit incoming

[prisma tusk]

Censorship discussion is always allowed (albeit rlly fking annoying atp), but being civil is mandatory.

[fallen helm]

Possible charges: a 20$ fine or life in prison

[finite seal]

srsly tho isnt that content in a non disclosure?

[shy tulip]

NDA (now) refers to the supporter Discord. The only content under NDA is the original PVE build from before early access

[fallen helm]

I know I know, but thats the spirit and the only way, you gotta be stubborn and annoying, otherwise you dont fight. Anyways, Im too tired for these discussions tonight. Cheers

[shy tulip]

We will be censoring your dreams next

[frosty drift]

Pve? Tarkov? 100% boss spawn?

[shy tulip]

Yessss

[frosty drift]

Die.

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[finite seal]

imagine if those crazy lunatics that thought the entire game was gonna be censored

was right... what would the game look like?

[desert island]

r6s

[shy tulip]

apparently fortnite

I'd say COD but they're getting hacked right now

[desert island]

woah vanilla

[frosty drift]

Slide me that worm god🥺🥺🥺

[finite seal]

ready or not i n a few years

Judge: "Entry team to toc, theres a container {CENSORED} send tems immediately."

[shy tulip]

TOC, suspect says he does not consent to arrest, returning to HQ

(Yes I stole that from Reddit fight me)

No politics

[fallen helm]

proceeds to talk politics

[frosty drift]

In the discord of a political game

[autumn stump]

Sorry, I'll fix it.

The ready or not devs becoming namby pamby bozos with this censorship was not on my 2025 bingo card

[finite seal]

:)

[shy tulip]

RoN is a very neutral game, but just like how we don't let gore here, no politics

[finite seal]

please read the devlogx20

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/526472884483263337?l=english

@autumn stump

[frosty drift]

In the game with explicit depictions surrounding several issues relating to current events and the underside of society* + gore

[glass heart]

RoN makes some comments on society and policy but its mostly neutral as casual already said

[autumn stump]

If baldurs gate 3 can go dicks out and post mortem dismemberment on console, I dunno why the fruity Ready or Not devs are afraid to

[glass heart]

it barely makes a comment on the ethics of law enforcement, only one mission truly grapples with that

[finite seal]

thats because that isnt the premise of ready or not..

[glass heart]

yes i am aware, i am rebutting the guy who said this game is political, when it isnt

[frosty drift]

Cop game

[finite seal]

this

[lethal karma]

Realistic cop game no less. Which is why what we are losing was so cool to have in the game.

[finite seal]

🖐️ 🗿 🖐️
absoloute cinema

[prisma tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355252083598561493/1364421300994703360/absolute_cinema.gif

[finite seal]

i think we honestly have to swallow it and accept it for what it is, no game can avoid the censors

[stable kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355252083598561493/1364421300994703360/absolute_cinema.gif

[amber dock]

Nice gif, waonder who you got it from

[finite seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355252083598561493/1364421300994703360/absolute_cinema.gif?ex=686bd39b&is=686a821b&hm=8d0367a0cc03677f7b277b660e69fb0b10a66b0e2bed545c2db094ce26af74fc&

[prisma tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/just-hanging-around-beetlejuice-gif-15364194009064522535

[jovial hatch]

i don't get why not offer refunds ? sure few thousand gonna return myself included problem solved? if they wanna take game different direction .

[lethal karma]

Just upset and disappointed because this seemed one of the few games that managed to not GAF about soy sensitivity while also eschewing the racists and weirdos.

[stable kernel]

#👮ron-discussion message

ahem

Don't make me say it

[finite seal]

a bit confused on your point

[green osprey]

Yea Really odd companies dont offer refunds on games someone had and played already for a long time 🧐 hmm

[finite seal]

the game isnt being taken in a different direction

[stark birch]

Gooner or not

[finite seal]

Ready or not exercise

telling people to read the devlog until failure

200 reps of defending voids vision

150 reps of providing sources and dialogue to criticism

fact checking criticism until failure

[meager fossil]

ask steam about that

[fiery vortex]

What's more effective at stopping armoured suspects: the AK ingame, any of the 7.62 nato rifles, the .357 or any shotgun.

[stark birch]

Ron haters when they get mad at void instead of the companies making the changes...

[prisma tusk]

Hellfire missile

[fiery vortex]

Not incorrect, good to know.

[amber dock]

funny.

[stark birch]

.300 blackout with ap rounds

[amber dock]

I don't have the video

wait

Shib I do

one sec

[prisma tusk]

ty turtle

I try my best

[amber dock]

I post this when I find something funny and Shib is funny

[desert island]

u can get mad at both

(like not wanting the game to release on console cuz u hate consoles)

[stark birch]

Never understood the console hate, if anything they have it worse than we do plus I want to play with my friends who are on console still

[desert island]

7.62 ap takes the least shots to kill

well 7.62x51

[fiery vortex]

Now that I am thinking about it, what'll be more painful to use. .50 AE 1911 coming with consoles or the .357 because it's the .357

[fiery vortex]

fair enough, it becomes hard to not kill them

[prisma tusk]

the big boi 1911 no contest

[desert island]

consoles r bad and force devs to compromise games

[whole plume]

1911 .50 cal

[fiery vortex]

Surprised, revolvers are cool but not using mags is not as big of an issue for people as I thought.

[whole plume]

Tbh it's a police game you dont wanna kill them so the lesa lethal gun the better

Ideally you would be able to use 9mm SMGs like the UMP and MP5 alongside a 9mm Sidearm like a P226 and Glock

But body armour exists

[desert island]

aim assist, bullet magnetism, input delay, controller mapping

[fiery vortex]

I'm not sure if this is possible but I wonder if they could make it so those on console would instead have it black boxed out, modify POV to be a helmet cam type thing.

[desert island]

they use 9mm cuz its more lethal

[lethal karma]

Blow your lung straight out of your chest cavity

[whole plume]

Relative to something like 5.56 it's less so

[prisma tusk]

"Roll all of that back..."

Bit dramatic maybe?

[shy tulip]

No politics means no politics

[frosty drift]

9mm is VERY lethal

[desert island]

they pull out the 556 when the distance and enemies are armored

[distant sail]

i think most people hate the consoles themselves and not the players, and that's how it should be. the players did nothing wrong at all but the console manufacturers are the scum of the earth. forcing censorship on their platforms and listening to private voice conversations to moderate is objectively bad and the consoles themselves are inferior systems by default due to their lack of freedom. it's especially frustrating when that same lack of freedom causes one of your favorite games to roll back its principles to comply

[desert island]

cops havent had to deal with anyone rocking lv 3 body armor

[frosty drift]

It’s blown organs out of the body and has the penetration power of a .50 cal

[fiery vortex]

I mean unless we're fighting pmc's or some paramilitary then I think it's fine.

[desert island]

ironically every mass shooter who used body armor was not stopped by the police and gave themselves up willingly

pretty sure it was just for carrying ammo

[stable kernel]

Talk about something else

[lethal karma]

OK

[languid sapphire]

Whos worse? Nintendo or Sony?

[desert island]

yeah not wearing any protective gear only a black vest

[green osprey]

Apple

[lethal karma]

How about that censorship lads?

[stable kernel]

Not that something

[languid sapphire]

My man 🤝

[green osprey]

—this comment was written on an ipad which im forced to usebc my gf and her fam use imassage pls send help

[languid sapphire]

Ermm are you censoring us right now? /s

[distant sail]

nintendo 1,000%. i would still feel somewhat comfortable owning a playstation (i bought a dualsense to use on pc, after all) but i will never in a million years give one cent to nintendo's greedy corporate leaders

[desert island]

the buffalo shooter got shot by security and the shooter killed the security guard

cuz his armor took the shot

[lethal karma]

I GOT CENSORED OMG IT'S JUST LIKE THE GAME FRFR

[languid sapphire]

I'm still pissed that the Tsukihime remake is a console exclusive and Cooking for the Emiy afamily is a Switch exclusive

Like dawg, why is Type Moon doing this to me?

[desert island]

nintendo greed

is nothing compared to sony

[shell tapir]

Sth in RoN always perplexes me. Why do I have to announce my presence to the fucking enemies?

[green osprey]

Nintendo is such a nice company

Because ur not the execution squad police shoot for self defense and first give a chance to surrender

[distant sail]

erm well you see the armed men actively murdering civilians have rights and you could put the department in trouble by shooting the obviously armed and dangerous men without yelling "POLICE!" five times first

[shell tapir]

It goes like this. I am moving slow and steady. I have this clueless terrorist in my sights.

Game Logic:
"Tell them you're behind them and give them a chance to shoot at you!"

My Logic:
Shoot him in the head.

[desert island]

yeah if TOC says negotiations have failed i should be allowed to assassinate them

[languid sapphire]

-50 unauthorized use of force

[shell tapir]

It almost always says that.

[desert island]

then i should be greenlighted

[slender pumice]

Any mod where I play as the suspect?

[fiery vortex]

Ngl, I miss the toc voice prior to the dark waters. He was memorable

[distant sail]

i've gotten unauthorized use of force for shooting a suspect that had previously shot me, utter bs

[fiery vortex]

"This is a sensitive operation, watch it."

[desert island]

ur lawyer was bad

[languid sapphire]

I had a crush on him

[shell tapir]

Like these days the only way I'm able to make them surrender is by absolutely checkmating the guy, as in using gas, then moving in front of their ass whilst screaming "Get down!".

[distant sail]

he clicked delete instead of copying the helmet cam footage to his thumb drive

[fiery vortex]

Also might be a bit werid but in hide and seek, he felt more uncertain and unsure then our current one. Like he was phased and disgusted

[desert island]

progressive lawyer

[shell tapir]

I really feel this should just be something you can disable.

[lethal karma]

Would it be in poor taste to have a mod map of a terrorist event at a game dev after a psycho go crazy when gacha mechanics get added to their favorite tactical shooter?

[distant sail]

it's for this reason my main loadout is named "gasgasgas" and includes 4 gas grenades, guns, and ammo and that's it

[shell tapir]

Like I don't RP as a SWAP officer. I RP as either SAS or CIA SA operators.

[desert island]

i dont rp thats literally me

[distant sail]

maybe put that on hold for after the console release

[languid sapphire]

But the FISA guy really did amazing. How he is almost pissed off that we found the container

[green osprey]

The name of your loadout gets my german seal of approval

[fiery vortex]

I mean, it makes sense. Even though his name was red the reasoning makes sense.

[shell tapir]

I also promise you IRL no SWAP operator goes "Hey you with the shotgun within 6 feet of me, I have you in my sights, turn around and get down. I will give you a chance to shoot me as well."

[stable kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1290632376753586279/caption.gif

[fiery vortex]

FISA is pretty much what, an investigation agency federally? Anything that interrupts them may compromise the entire operation.

[desert island]

Weapons fire

[distant sail]

💀

[desert island]

right when u spawn in on some maps

[fiery vortex]

Like if so much as a hair gets grazed the people they are investigating my pack up and burn evidence

[languid sapphire]

And this is my problem with the most recent update. I remember the first time I played Hide and Seek. I got to the container scene and the sheer and utter brutality of the situation literally made me pause the game, stand up and walk around the room.

[desert island]

FISA is corrupt

they r prbly in on it

[shell tapir]

I've been doing solo runs as a gray man (basically a CIA SA operator with no lease by definition). I don't announce my presence. My whole advantage is the surprise and suppressed fire.

[lethal karma]

Honestly flash launcher is the goated police announcement tool

[languid sapphire]

FISA is basicly the FBI. Just like GTAV has FIB

[distant sail]

sadly console gaming regulators think that obviously mature games need to be sanitized for children despite being obviously for adults

[desert island]

only time FISA is in ron they r a corrupt agent smuggling weapons or telling u to lock the women in the container

[languid sapphire]

Heres the thing.... no parent follows the PEGI/ESRB warnings and the console companies know this

Like lets be honest, a good chunk of the player base of RoN aren't 18 yet

[green osprey]

True i played resident evil 4 at age 11 lol

[languid sapphire]

or atleast thats from what I've seen

[distant sail]

this is a fact, my first console game was modern warfare 2 and i was subsequently bought modern warfare 3, both games which explicitly depict terrorist attacks in a realistic modern setting

[fiery vortex]

Yeah wasn't sure if it was fine to say that. FISA is understandable in concern but the world is still incredibly scary and uncomfortable which I love

[shell tapir]

Anyways, just wanted to vent. Felt weird to have to announce my presence as I am infilling into a barricaded AO.

[desert island]

dont be a sheep the points dont matter

[languid sapphire]

I got DOOM 2016 at like 13?
My dad was completely fine with it, because he was a fan of Doom 1993

[shell tapir]

I'm trying to S tier the missions.

[desert island]

the report card doesnt matter

[green osprey]

Ur dad is based

[shell tapir]

Otherwise you run out of stuff to do pretty fast.

[desert island]

well the point of S rank is to be harder so u gotta telegraph to the enemies

would be crazy if S rank was easier than B rank

[stable kernel]

Fun fact: you do not have to shout before hitting a suspect or civ with taset, beanbag, or pepperball

Start blasting

[languid sapphire]

Dude my dad when he was in his 20s was a badass lol

[shell tapir]

I like a challenge as long as it makes sense. Like being careful with breaching areas with hostages, or going full auto. Those make sense. Having to announce your presence and explicitly wait until they choose to YOLO it and shoot at you does not make sense.

[distant sail]

it's pretty insane to try S-tiering a mission with lethal involved

[stable kernel]

You cannot hit them while they are surrendered though

[shell tapir]

I did a couple.

[desert island]

u can announce it then immediately shoot them

[shell tapir]

I've never done non-lethal only runs.

[desert island]

u followed the roe

[shell tapir]

Maybe accidentally.

[desert island]

u dont actually have to give them time to react

[lethal karma]

Or just draw a bead on their head and wait for them to take aim, and then drop em.

[desert island]

just get it on body cam that u tried for less than a second

[shell tapir]

To me ROE is already out of the window when they're armed and willing to shoot at you.

[distant sail]

it's a fun challenge to have no lethal, adds a bit more strategy to the game. it helps with a full squad of human teammates tho

[desert island]

well theres a cop who got fired cuz he shot a guy for holding a gun

[shell tapir]

That's fine if there's 1. Not 13.

Like I gave an audible to this guy, and then 5 guys bum rushed me.

[languid sapphire]

The first shooter I ever bought according to my steam was Half-Life

[shell tapir]

Yeah, but this isn't in the middle of the street with a civilian.

[desert island]

like he knocked on the door
the guy answered holding a gun
cop immediately shot him
cop was ruled unjustified cuz its legal to hold a gun

[shell tapir]

It's a guaranteed hostile AO. Like TOC doesn't have any doubts about the guys being definitely hostile.

[distant sail]

i was gonna say "that department must be run by idiots" but yea that's true, nothing illegal about that

[shell tapir]

True, but this is "Guy is holding people hostage with automatic weapons, and you open the door and shoot them."

The difference is you know for a fact they are intending to harm.

[languid sapphire]

Idk I think it should depend on the mission. A terrorist attack on the nightclub? Bring out the machine guns. But raiding a crackhouse or a family house? You should atleast try to make them surrender before shooting

[desert island]

well thats why we have non lethal nades

[shell tapir]

Yeah.

[languid sapphire]

God I wish we had smoke nades 🙏

[distant sail]

aren't there already differences in suspect ai per mission? it'd make lots more sense to have different RoE along with that

[green osprey]

I kinda wanna know how bad stringer grenades hurt irl

[desert island]

im pretty sure on the nightclub mission u cant get unauthorized use of force when u assassinate them in the back

[languid sapphire]

They are not pleasant

[desert island]

u can only get it if they put their hands up and u kill them anyways

but sniping people is fair game

[shell tapir]

Or at least a mod with different settings for different factions. Like SWAT would be super restrictive. SEAL/Marsoc/SAS/Delta would be much more lenient but not allowed to execute hostages nor surrendered suspects. CIA SA would be allowed to execute surrendered suspects.

[desert island]

u can also instantly kill the fake doctors on hospital without warning and its fair game

[languid sapphire]

I think it would be funny if the self-bombers had a 1 in 100 to have a dead mans switch :3

[meager fossil]

do yall know how to get unstuck?

[distant sail]

jumpscare lmao

[shell tapir]

Also threat-level is definitely a factor. You can't go in trying to make people surrender when a) there's 50+ of them, and b) they're rocking automatic weapons and full body armor.

[languid sapphire]

I wonder where they got all this from?

[desert island]

u cant assassinate people on the postoffice or port

but u can assassinate the school shooters and terrorists

[green osprey]

U been hit by one? : o

[stark birch]

Thats a really great point, I have honestly never thought of it that way

[shell tapir]

The Sins of the Father should definitely allow assassinations.

[languid sapphire]

No, I'm just guessing :P

But I've been pepper sprayed before

[shell tapir]

I'm infilling to save 14 hostages, I shouldn't even be allowed to try and make people surrender.

[green osprey]

Outch

[desert island]

sins of father are the left behind gang so ur supposed to negotiate with them to surrender

[wraith gale]

isnt it crazy how fast people moved on

[languid sapphire]

You're right 😔
We've been slacking in the endless whining for the past 30 minutes

Guys its time to go back to work. Go review bomb the game and constantly annoy VOID even though nothing will change! /s

[fiery vortex]

Is that... JOHN HELLDIVER. Professional Helldiver and LSPD Swat Officer?

[distant sail]

from the walking back of void's unapologetic realism? yeah i'm still royally pissed but i figure the mods are tired of having to pretend they fully agree 100% with it + void won't change it unless they suffer real losses and most people upset have already bought the game

[wraith gale]

[languid sapphire]

Plus its been confiremed you can mod the assets back in

[desert island]

its not a big problem but its still a problem that the players can just solve themselves

[distant sail]

imo that's good but not enough, we need the devs to push back against censorship themselves. however i won't form an opinion on whether they are or not until their "skirting the regulations" starts happening like they said

[wraith gale]

you know its bad when the reddit is tired of the whining

[distant sail]

legitimate concerns =/= whining tho

[desert island]

consoles wanted a watered down product and so they get one

[languid sapphire]

The average redditor has the attention span and intelligence of a goldfish

[wraith gale]

its been confirmed nothing else will be censored. why would yall be concerned?

the community manager has been very transparent

[desert island]

meh it just means they arent gona do anything like that in future

[fiery vortex]

Maybe it's just fear of how the industry works. Don't care much tho as I never paid too much attention to model details. More of a lore and story guy

[sacred mortar]

why are we whining over a game

[lethal karma]

"FUCK You guys this shit sucks and I hate how you spit in our faces" is whining, but "Hey I don't like having these changes done for a platform I don't play on" is a very valid take

[lethal karma]

Because we passionate about the art

[distant sail]

because developers (not necessarily VOID ofc) have lied in the past. leadership can change and incentives and profits can change as well. we all know how these things go. i don't think void is lying and i haven't given up on them but i certainly don't like this blatant giving in to the tyranny of console gaming

[languid sapphire]

Sadly I don't think they were transparent at the beginning. Like now that Kaminsky has explained everything, I don't feel really that upset about it.

[wraith gale]

kams been transparent with it all from the start as well

[sacred mortar]

No like, what’s in the game

[lethal karma]

That is true today. What about if more requested changes come from on high? Bend the knee once and all.

[languid sapphire]

But think of what this can potentially do to VOID. They will have millions in profits and could, if they want, fix some legacy issues.

[desert island]

y is there an implication that if it releases on console its gona make a lot of money

[lethal karma]

If you are asking what we are complaining about, it is some minor changes to the game to meet console requirements. Read the devlog.

[distant sail]

exactly. the people joining the server to say "fuck the devs" or "i hate all of you, give me a 200% refund" are annoying and are whining. however people who are simply expressing their disappointment in the compromise when they were previously sold on no-compromises, gritty realism are NOT whining and to say they are or to dismiss them too is malicious

[sacred mortar]

Ohh shit requirements? Awhhh shucks

[languid sapphire]

There is a massive hole for Milsims in the console market. The only really popular one is Arma Reforger

[wraith gale]

just some naked models and pictures, all the changes are in #announcements

[languid sapphire]

Keep in mind that reforger isn't even a complete game and is a stepping stone between Arma 3 and 4

[distant sail]

ron is popular already and console players need good realistic shooters. it'll do very well but the fact the pc community suffers for it is still kinda silly

[sacred mortar]

Why are people complaining about a platform they don’t play on, I think the people who actually play on it should make their own mind cause it was right for them to make it meet console requirements or else the game wouldn’t be on console, at all

[wraith gale]

it affects pc

[distant sail]

the changes are affecting PC because maintaining two versions with minor differences is veeeery hard*

[languid sapphire]

Its not for 'no reason'

Its because of compatibility issues

[wraith gale]

look at what kam said

[desert island]

apologists dont actually believe in their own arguments

[lethal karma]

Not a reason good enough for us to want to just sit down and take it. If the EU or US handed a legal document to VOID saying censor your shit or suffer, I think the story would be different.

[distant sail]

it just simply makes no sense to me that there isn't a crossplay toggle or a sensitive content toggle it simply can't be that hard

damn i say simply a lot

[desert island]

like who out here is actually like yeah why couldnt they just censor ron so console players can play

[wraith gale]

kam said why

[languid sapphire]

iirc Kams has said that the models can't even be in the game files on console

And without them, they would have two different builds

[noble pasture]

I am turning on Server Checksum if I ever look for players. No mods accepted

[desert island]

like if void came out and was like sorry we cant actually make a console version cuz it would require censoring the game

[distant sail]

now i'm not a game developer but is it actually that much effort to have two different versions for two different platforms with minor differences?

[desert island]

who is gona boo them

[fiery vortex]

Personally idc as long as they fun. I dealt with host connection issues way too much

[noble pasture]

Void is damned if they do, damned if they dont

[desert island]

not at all

[noble pasture]

Yes at all

[languid sapphire]

They are using UE5 and, as someone who coded in UE4 for about a year or two, Holy shit YES YES YES

[desert island]

if void actually cancelled the console release cuz it would require censorship they would be applauded

[wraith gale]

its not that easy from a company who has
60 people last i remember

[distant sail]

there will already be texture differences between pc and console and no kbm support for console, so there are already very minor differences between the versions. how much harder is it to have some extra models on pc?

[noble pasture]

But close the studio due to lack of money from sales

[desert island]

theoretical sales of a watered down game

[sacred mortar]

oh my days they messed it up

[distant sail]

if using ue5 is anything like trying to run ue5 games on low-mid tier hardware, then i can see where they're coming from lol

[wraith gale]

not really

[noble pasture]

Now that I think of it, Killing Floor never had the issues Ready or Not has. Despite the gore they never depicted the zeds as naked

[wraith gale]

here comes the hourly "be civil"

[desert island]

killing floor also doesnt have children

or doom

torture and gore is not adult themes to ESRB

[fiery vortex]

Pretty sure most other games do not even try to touch the topics ready or not does. The game is a depressing nightmare but one I will keep returning too.

[shy tulip]

The model changes require more work than just swapping out textures, or they would've been swapped like on console. As Kaminsky said earlier (you can read the entire reddit thread):

• it creates large issues with game sync that Void can't address
• It is maintaining two games and twice the work (certification, compiling, Q&A, potential drifting of the builds)

All for 6 minor changes (player side, even if you think they impact the game majorly)

[fiery vortex]

I just wish that we had the ability to join in progress matches mostly so I don't have to keep rolling for people in lobby

[shy tulip]

He said it in more words and I'm procrastinating as is

[desert island]

reinforcements spawning in during the raid

[noble pasture]

Void is doing good dialing back bare minimum on the edgyness

[stable kernel]

Be civil

[desert island]

they could go full on torture and the ESRB would not care

[noble pasture]

RoN has torture

[desert island]

yeah thats why the informant is only getting clothes

cuz torturing a naked person is bad but torture is fine

[noble pasture]

In Narcos a cop is tortured, you can find his toes in a neighbouring building

[fiery vortex]

Other games too but ready or not makes it matter or horrifying.

[desert island]

no one getting chainsawed in ron

[fiery vortex]

That's one of the differnces, Ready or Not makes you take it for what it is and not as a joke or gag. They make it dead serious and you feel horrified

[fiery vortex]

Yeah but whose using a chainsaw in Ready or Not.

[desert island]

cartel could

they do their torture videos

[unique zephyr]

the censorship sucks so much ass, i had a feeling about most of these and I'm ashamed. like plenty of videogames have nudity? why are we not okay here?

[desert island]

where they skin people alive