👮ron-discussion

[wispy aurora]

is the game really getting censored?

[covert aurora]

better wording toned down abit.

[gaunt gale]

Gerards ghillie is a few inches longer, the container women have torn shirts instead of being naked, and some mannequins no longer have nipples. Those're some of the most significant visual changes.

[covert aurora]

^

[wispy aurora]

Thanks for the response

[covert aurora]

were happy to help

🙂

[wispy aurora]

👍

[vague locust]

gerard is the worst change, i always admired him

[verbal dagger]

that peen got me through the day

[tall knoll]

In a game where environmental story telling and realism is important, it's disappointing to see the shift in direction.

[sullen creek]

it is

[shrewd forge]

Sift in direction? nothing about the environmental story telling or realism has changed

[verbal dagger]

it's beyond frustrating, RoN has always been one of my favorite games if not my favorite game because of how much it aimed for realism

[tall knoll]

I'm curious if it's because of the physical release or country restrictions.

[gaunt gale]

I am genuinely confused by that take and no-one I've asked has been able to give me a reasonable justification. It's always been 'it takes away from the gritty atmosphere', which is very much not true.

How do any of the outlined changes change the direction the game has been going in?

[shrewd forge]

The not being able to dismember dead bodies is kinda less realistic but nothing else is really a change to the realism

[humble mauve]

the storytelling, lore, and general vibes of the game are still going to be the exact same

[short crow]

You don't get tired responding to same questions over and over

[gaunt gale]

I mean, it's literally my job

[gray crest]

So the gore impact the shotgun has when the suspect is alive is staying the same, You just can't do it when they are down. Am I understanding that right?

[humble mauve]

some words are re-phrased and some textures are different, but its still the same story and still the same people

[short crow]

Great work mate appreciate it

[gaunt gale]

Correct

[verbal dagger]

i can answer that kaminsky, part of what makes RoN such a good game is how it doesn't hold back where other games absolutely do, like the girl who is having a seizure with the needle on her bed, the firs time you go past that it makes you feel like shit and like you want to put the meth heads down even though you're supposed to take them alive

[tall knoll]

^

[verbal dagger]

having gun fights that get wild enough to pretty much blow people apart makes things feel dangerous and like you don't want to be hit by anything

finding the naked women in the container and having someone tell you to lock them away again feels like one of the shittiest things you can run into in a game (probably being topped by spec ops the line)

[shrewd forge]

You can still blow people apart you just can't dismember dead suspects

[heavy topaz]

will it be instant or will there be some sort of timer

[verbal dagger]

you're pulling punches back and it makes it feel less real

[heavy topaz]

and by the way who the hell is ghilles gheel

[humble mauve]

gunfights and their gore will be the exact same unless you are executing defenseless people

[prime wing]

Going on what the letter says, you wont open someones head if you are deadchecking

[vague locust]

eh, its mostly annoying, not a real problem

[verbal dagger]

and if you are dead checking you probably should be opening up their head because that's what happens when you make sure someone's down in real life

[vague locust]

might be good if someone records a video of the old gore and posts it so people dont feel left out if they cant get a PC mod

[prime wing]

Or you can just go back to a previous version

[verbal dagger]

not on console you can't

[tall knoll]

So If I put buckshot into a dead suspects head, am I just going to get a generic blood decal? If so, what realism is that?

[verbal dagger]

and from what i understand it won't be easy to go back on pc

[vague locust]

oh shit, nice

[heavy topaz]

?? console is getting released with this changes isnt it

[urban walrus]

of course

[shrewd forge]

It's actually pretty easy to revert to older versions of games on steam

[prime wing]

you shouldnt be doing that in the first place, but what you do and your definition of realism is different than anyone elses.

Deadchecking is not a thing

[urban walrus]

These changes are literally because of the console release

[verbal dagger]

i mean that depends on who is doing it, like law enforcement doesn't do it, but that doesn't change the fact that having unrealistic effects on what is supposed to be a hyper realistic game makes the game worse

[frail pier]

I would assume it would be instant. It'll just be a check on states if a suspect flagged on incap or death. Those states = no further gore.

[sullen creek]

Definity not for police or swat

[prisma tusk]

As bb said, the "realistic" thing to do would be not do dead check lmao.

[verbal dagger]

there's a reason that it's being mentioned pretty heavily on the steam page and reddit right now as swell

[tall knoll]

"Shouldn't be doing that" doesn't mean that the game should remove realism because you "Shouldn't do it"

That same arguement can be made for Friendly Fire then

[gray crest]

Thanks, is that the same for people in handcuffs?

[heavy topaz]

that would honestly degrade the game a bit since now double shooting a suspect as in 2 people would be awful

[verbal dagger]

i'm not just pulling this opinion out of my butt, there's a reason people like your game, and i mention this because you are doing something which will make your game worse

[heavy topaz]

yo nah u wanna shoot arrested people too 😭😭😭

[urban walrus]

Not the same since handcuffed people are still alive, the ability to inflict more gore only disabled when they are dead

[tall knoll]

You shouldn't be shooting your squad mates, so let's remove friendly fire as it's not realistic. You shouldn't crossfire, so we're going to make you lower your weapon when you aim at a friendly.

[jolly jackal]

So the player limit is said to be 5 but its actually 4?

[tall knoll]

Same concept.

[urban walrus]

5 including you

[jolly jackal]

yea but its 4

[gray crest]

Listen, sometimes they say mean things too me.

[jolly jackal]

im trying to join my 4 other friends and it wont work

[verbal dagger]

you probably shouldn't kill suspects if they're incapacitated so you won't be able to shoot them anymore after they go down

[gray crest]

Oh okay thanks.

[tall knoll]

Which is why RoE exists

[frail pier]

You mean collateral hits? I don't think they'll block bullets dude

[verbal dagger]

you probably shouldn't hit enemiess in the head with a beanbag shotgun either since that will kill them, your gun won't fire and will lock up if you aim there

[frail pier]

You just can't get further gore is what I think.

[gaunt gale]

Now that I'm actually not too sure

[humble mauve]

the point of this was completely missed, its something that had to be changed alongside it being something that you aren't supposed to do/are punished for anyway

[tall knoll]

I think you missed our point though

[urban walrus]

Check if you have the same version and mods as them and disable server side checking in the settings

[heavy topaz]

what i mean is that if 2 teammates shoot shotguns at the same suspect it would be really unrealistic if only one had the dismemberment effect due to the fact that the mechanic will kick in instantly as it detect fhe suspect is dead

what i’m trying to say is that having a timer would be much more enjoyable even if it’s a small window as it would keep realism

when it’s dead theres no more reason to shoot the suspect so i’m not complaining about that when theyre lying in the ground

[verbal dagger]

this, but they're degrading the realism by censoring the game's gore system anyways, people who actually care about the experience being grounded aim for A+'s and S's anyways
The fact that other players do dumb things isn't a reason to make the game less realistic

[gray crest]

I'm looking to the new tech of checking if they are playing dead by seeing if I can blow the suspects arms and legs off or not 👍

[tall knoll]

It all comes down to money at the end of the day I guess

[prime wing]

Players wanted the ability to shoot the child in twisted nerve as it makes the game more "realistic" and they also want a console port.

Its impossible to have it both ways. Not being able to blow someones head when deadchecking removes nothing from the game aside aura farming on tik tok comparisons and showcases of gore.

[frail pier]

Ahh I see what you mean now

[tall knoll]

So is it because of a console port, phyical release, or region restrictions?

[verbal dagger]

That seems like an unrealistic way to respond to us Blackbird, no one in this chat has asked for that and you pretty obviously know that's not what we're asking for

[sullen creek]

to that point "realistic" dose not mean better

[verbal dagger]

Or devs not listening to their coummunity...
There's a reason Helldivers 2 just gave their entire playerbase a cape that represents the dumb decision they made

[heavy topaz]

“players demand console” you mean pc players demanded console or console people demanded the game

because i don’t think pc players are demanding console release lmfao

[tall knoll]

Yep. I'm curious if BigFry will make a video on this.

[prime wing]

Plenty of folks that own the pc version also wanted a console port, the demand was there.

[heavy topaz]

oh well if the community wants the community gets

[tall knoll]

Did you have data around this?

[shy tulip]

Yes, people on PC wanted console either to play it on console or to let their friend play, you can go through the feedback channel

[verbal dagger]

i mean that shouldn't be relevant given that your community is asking for the gore system to stay the same blackbird
Especially since there is an endless list of games which have more extensive gore systems

[shy tulip]

Dunno why but there were people who wanted to buy it on PC and console and I'm not sure why you would do that to yourself

[tall knoll]

Was it made clear what had to be done before hand?

[heavy topaz]

potato pc 🤪

[shrewd forge]

Well it's easily to bring a Console with you to other places moving a whole PC is difficult

[verbal dagger]

like, the response to this criticism has been "why do you want to commit war crimes in our game?"
When all of the posts and chats I see are asking you to keep the system the sasme

which, from what i can see, isn't that unrealistic

[tall knoll]

Laptop...

[shy tulip]

No, I'm not sure Void knew either at that point, they apparently had a back and forth with a lot of the ratings/publishers about allowing what the game has

[heavy topaz]

yea gng a laptop serves thst purpose too but it’s 3 times more expensive

[shy tulip]

What is being changed is cause they have no choice atm

[prime wing]

I think there should be more attention on the fact that void worked on a gore system for a long time and never took into account how that would affect the console port ratings. Thats part of the discussion and its valid to point how useless it will be once console port is out. An actual loss of time and effort.

[tall knoll]

Not true at all

[heavy topaz]

you’re telling me a laptop thats 500 bucks gonna run RON at 4k 60?

because if you call tell me what laptop thats is i’ll go buy 2 of them right now

[tall knoll]

4k at 60fps doesn't mean high graphics settings

or exclude DLSS or upscaling techniques

[shrewd forge]

I mean consoles don't technically run at 4K

[verbal dagger]

i mean that's kind of the point, there's a reason that people who play your game want that system to stay the same, you did a good job with it
There doesn't seem to be a legal standard for RoN being rejected for certification given other games that are released on console with their current content

[heavy topaz]

so u think it’s gonna be what 1440p low?

yo casual do y’all have any comparison as to how the game will compare to pc based on graphics

[shy tulip]

Other games doesn't mean RoN can, there are ways they do stuff that is different or perhaps they even didn't ship the way RoN did

[heavy topaz]

on the standard ps5?

[tall knoll]

Goodness. Look up how consoles achieve that framerate

[shy tulip]

Standards change depending on whether or not it is a physical or digital product, what country is it selling in, what platform is it selling on

[shy tulip]

Idk

[heavy topaz]

they’ll upscale to 4k sure but if you think it’s not gonna be on high settings you’re tweaking

[verbal dagger]

i just see so many other games with similar levels of gore within their games, if not more, which do not require censorship, as someone who is a fan of RoN that makes it feel like you guys didn't fight particularly hard on that point

[heavy topaz]

a ps5 can definetly handle maps of this size while because it’s also console it means there can be easier optimization

[tall knoll]

If you're running at 4k and 60fps on console, I doubt it's high/ultra settings unless there's upscaling

[heavy topaz]

i think 1440p upscale to 4k will be whwt they do

[tall knoll]

If at all. We're definitely not getting all of the information.

[heavy topaz]

at least high settings

ps5 pro will definetly get 4k 60 though

[verbal dagger]

i mean, if physical release was really the sticking point there, physical release should have been scrapped, if certain regions were restricted on the game, don't release in those regions

[shy tulip]

We don't know what region exactly it is (Void hasn't said, besides it not being China, funnily enough), so it isn't as easy as "just don't release it there"

Same argument you see people saying "just scrap console then if it means I don't get my nudity"

[verbal dagger]

No those are 2 different arguments

[manic oracle]

the issue being that now there's a limit on design and vision for future content.

[verbal dagger]

and games can scrap releases in specific regions, helldivers 2 had to do those for multiple regions

[shy tulip]

I don't see it, what topic could be worse than what RoN already has and hasn't been touched

[shy tulip]

HD2 didn't have a choice at all because of Sony (just like how Void doesn't have a choice regarding these changes)

[urban walrus]

what is the point that you are try to pass here? The gore is the same it's just that you can't inflict any more gore when it's a dead body. Are those other games that you mentioned have the same implementation when it got released to consoles?

[heavy topaz]

sony will find a way to remove something else

[modest granite]

I did not support RON from the start to see it being censored, or toned down after 1.0… if Agony of all games can have a uncensored version, there’s no reason Ready or Not can’t

[verbal dagger]

we're not talking about future content, we're talking about how this changes current content

BattleLegit, they haven't clarified how that works yet, it could potentially make the impact of the gore system drastically less realistic

[manic oracle]

but we should be talking about future content lol

[shy tulip]

They've clarified plenty that you are free to gore the suspects as much as you want until they die

Not sure what more there is to expand on there

[heavy topaz]

yo off topic do y’all know what that mexican restaurant is in the ps5 photos thst are posted on the release

is that a new map or what

[shy tulip]

Los Pollos Hermanos

[urban walrus]

one of the two new maps

[verbal dagger]

i think you may have left casual but benja and i asked a couple of times how that works in terms of the system instantly detecting a suspects death and then cutting off additional gore effects (so that if a whole squad opens up on a suspect does he basically just lose a leg)

or if it' different than this

[heavy topaz]

should honestly get eviscerated into dust

[shy tulip]

From MMMM's saying (who's done datamining on the game) the second they are dismembered they are dead, so it won't work

[heavy topaz]

god damn it this sucks

[verbal dagger]

yeah so that's unrealistic af

that makes the combat system waaaaaaay worse

[heavy topaz]

just give us like a 0.5 or 1s timer on the death of a suspect

[shy tulip]

You said that earlier

[manic oracle]

its not the gore aspect. think of it this way, the things mentioned in the dev log (the women in port's container, kid convulsing in crack house, etc) these were things meant to be shocking. its uncomfortable to see for a reason. it's the moments where you get surprised and do a youtube thumbnail react

[crude prism]

what

[shy tulip]

ah

[shy tulip]

It is the price to pay. They are still there and just have their presentation changed, but the story is still there.

[verbal dagger]

if you have like 5 dudes shooting a suspect with a shotguns and the end result is some damage on his torso and some blood decals that's the exact opposite of the realism this game has always had

[manic oracle]

presentation is literally everything

[urban walrus]

The result of the gore would be the same for the previous versions

[crude prism]

this is an example of what you would get from opening up on a suspect with shotguns

[shrewd forge]

Seeing a bunch of women in a container should be shocking enough it's not like the context changes that much

[shy tulip]

I cannot read that black text on my red background

[heavy topaz]

game bad he looks like he’s drenched in ketchup

[crude prism]

well I am in a neon-lighting dev box

[verbal dagger]

more like, game way tf worse than it was you dooofus

[shrewd forge]

It says "pov: "game bad" "

[stiff pawn]

I haven't played since 1.0, are there still ai generated assets still in the game, like the streamer level artwork and the in-game subtitles?

[verbal dagger]

yes fuzzy

[shy tulip]

Subtitles have been worked on but otherwise yes

[stiff pawn]

cringe

[verbal dagger]

don't worry, with additional censorship it has become much more cringe

[heavy topaz]

look what im tryna say is that if 5 people shoot the same man in different parts of the body not only one should blow up, everything should blow up

[manic oracle]

of course, but its the 'slight over the top' that makes RoN so special.

[heavy topaz]

even if it’s in a timespan of a second, it should still happen as the body is dropping

imagine seeing naked nicki mínajs instead in the container

nah what am i blabbering about now

[manic oracle]

Its those little details and moments that made me get the supporter edition, and i still stand behind that decision. But I'm concerned about future content with a lid on what the team wants to do but has to do

[verbal dagger]

she would smack you with dat ass

[crude prism]

I agree, and I hope the cutoff has a small window applied to it.

If they are against the desecration of corpses as the main reason, putting a 1 second timer on the dismemberment after death would (seemingly) be within the rules

[heavy topaz]

yeah thst would make total sense based on how this game is played out

[verbal dagger]

and same Chad! That's why i'm super annoyed, especially since the devs don't seem to be doing jack to address these concerns

i think it sucks in general but if there had to be some kind of tradeoff that seems reasonable MMMM

I should correct that, they're addressing the concerns but are ignoring what we have to say

[crude prism]

Kaminsky in here all day clarifying and reassuring on the literal day of the announcement
Gerby making posts for further clarification #dev-updates message

devs don't seem to be doing anything

ah shit you beat me to it

[heavy topaz]

lol

[verbal dagger]

Yeah fuck you MMMMM, trying to be all smarmy and shit 😛

[heavy topaz]

yoo chills

[urban walrus]

and this too #💬general-discussion message

[crude prism]

lol, PC version is even going to remain uncensored in some ways

whine to Microhard and Suny

[verbal dagger]

it still stands, every time we bring up why we have a problem with the changes they ignore the suggestions and general criticisms, even if they more generally address it by saying "we understand you have a problem with the changess"

nope, it is changing too MMM

unless you mean mods

[manic oracle]

i could be completely wrong, but it seems that the gore-detail isnt what most people are concerned of.

[crude prism]

#💬general-discussion message

[shy tulip]

As Gerby showed, stuff like the CP references are censored on console but not on PC, where possible

[manic oracle]

modders gonna have a field day tho

[verbal dagger]

That's good to hear, but tbh i have more problems with how the gore stuff impacts gameplay

[heavy topaz]

yo whwre are those photos in thr game man

[verbal dagger]

idk chad, that's most of the criticisms i've seen

[heavy topaz]

am i just not paying enough attention

feel like i’m too focused on the gameplay and not the detail

[shy tulip]

hence why (I think) Void is correct in saying people would not have noticed

[crude prism]

the changes to gore will have no impact on gameplay, only ragdoll visuals

[manic oracle]

we need to be able to no-clip through teammates after being blocked for more than 2 seconds..

[verbal dagger]

changes to the way targets are hit in gunfights are changes to gameplay

they literally change the experiences of gun fights

[shy tulip]

It means you can't make chicken nuggets, otherwise they're fucked up and dead dead

[shrewd forge]

In a gunfight the suspect is still alive so they'll be hit the same way as they currently are

[verbal dagger]

no it means that if a suspect is hit by like 12 shotgun shots in a second they look like they were hit by a 9 mm

super realistic, much fun....

[shy tulip]

Guys in the images the devs have sent certainly do not look like they were hit by 9mm

[shrewd forge]

They still get their head blow off if they are alive

[manic oracle]

if

[verbal dagger]

yeah but multiple shots in a second do basically nothing lol

which is like 80% of my gunfights when playing with ai

[manic oracle]

If they can have a dead dog in gas station (makes me most mad tbh) for ESRB cert, then ventilating someone whether they're alive or not with slugs shouldnt be an issue

[verbal dagger]

^this

[shrewd forge]

Take that up with the ESRB then

[verbal dagger]

that's void's job pixel

[shrewd forge]

They're the ones who decide

[verbal dagger]

not without input from devs

it's an interactive process

[heavy topaz]

does making the game 18+ require id or what

[shy tulip]

And the devs have spent the past day explaining that they pushed back as hard as they could and these were the sacrifices they had to make

[manic oracle]

cough rockstar's manhunt

[verbal dagger]

bullshit casual

[shrewd forge]

This might surprise but a small indie studio probably dosen’t want to waste time and on something that a very small percentage of people will notice

[verbal dagger]

that makes no sense, especially since the people talking here were able to give numerous examples of more violent games offhand

all void responded with was, they had publishers, or were bigger companies, when that wasn't even true for a solid amount of those examples

[shy tulip]

Cool, those are different games (often times released years ago) under different circumstances

How many of those were sold physical; how many of those had to make changes for a specific region; how many of those used different in-game scenarios (zombies, aliens, demons, etc)

Common example I see (idk I haven't played it yet) is L4D2 being censored just for Germany, and that was peak Valve

[verbal dagger]

insurgency sandstorm, killing floor, darktide, dead rising

[manic oracle]

l4d got australia'd

[verbal dagger]

many of these had recent releases, and as was said before, at a certain point within that interactive process void could have decided against physical copies and or a release limited to certain regions

[shy tulip]

I haven't played Insurgency in a while, but it doesn't have anything like RoNs gore from my memory, even the suicide bombers just turn into a mist

[verbal dagger]

there's that but there's also limbs being blown off and heads exploding

[manic oracle]

and what circumstances changed btw?

[shy tulip]

How much of that is pre-death

[crude prism]

Insurgency Sandstorm - War
Killing Floor - Violence against non-human entities
Darktide - Monsters, and again, war
Dead rising - Zombies aren't people (based)

RoN is a game about POLICE, CIVILIANS, and CRIMINALS
There's a big difference when you can mutilate and gore noncombatants

[shy tulip]

^

[shrewd forge]

There's a setting in game to toggle dismemberment

[shy tulip]

Well the simpler version (from my understanding) is literally RoNs enemies being humans

[crude prism]

you can dismember bodies pre and post death in INS:S

[shy tulip]

Ah, idk, maybe there's a rule about terrorists being fine

[crude prism]

war

[verbal dagger]

RoN is hardly the only game to have humans, let alone humans that die horribly, let alone humans that can have limbs etc. blown off even for civilians

[manic oracle]

terrorists arent people?

they are sub-human yes morally, but they;re people

[verbal dagger]

even beyond saying that's from different publishers, these are standards in gaming

[shy tulip]

I'll ping Kaminsky to let him know to classify RoN as a war on drugs

[manic oracle]

well thats literally the coyote mission

[shrewd forge]

Also insurgency sandstorm had a publisher

[crude prism]

again, depictions of police (image to uphold, cringe, but ratings agencies are cringe anyways)

off the top of my head, only CP2077 and RDR2 would be examples where you can mutilate the general populace, but again, much larger studios

[verbal dagger]

i also keep hearing admin in the chat talking about moral justifications for it, like some players do shitty things when they play the game, but that' hardly a reason for censorship and has never held back the majority of games where civilians exist

[shy tulip]

But yeah, the point is RoN is a game with special circumstances. Maybe those games aren't universally available, maybe one region has tweaks or they managed to make a deal, but either way it didn't work out for RoN

[verbal dagger]

that's fine, but as i've said, and as people who are commenting on steam etc have said

[shy tulip]

It's more pointing out that it works out better overall (it certainly works out for our rule #2), but if Void had a choice, they probably wouldn't change it

[verbal dagger]

you're making your game worse, and less of what you set out for it to be

[manic oracle]

i can agree if they made changes to dismemberment post-mortem of a civilian.. but a suspect is a suspect, a terrorist like the ones in club/hospital, etc.

[prime wing]

Also lets not forget how this game is tied to being the school shooting game

[manic oracle]

who wouldnt want to decimate amos voll lol

[verbal dagger]

i get that blackbird, but i've heard so many suggestions today from other people in chat for ways that the changes could be less shitty

[prime wing]

Even if the level is mid

[verbal dagger]

and i haven't heard any mod say why those changes couldn't be used

[shy tulip]

Which ones exactly (keep in mind we're just repeating what the devs have said)

[verbal dagger]

sure, so by that i mean things like: extending the timer where you can do gore effects on enemies so that it's more realistic, like chad just said, making limitations of gore etc. something that applies more to civilians etc.

also changing how gore effects are limited when enemies are in downed statess but not dead, or are generally on the ground

[crude prism]

we don't know how it works yet, Kaminsky said they would inquire (I believe)

[verbal dagger]

didn't someone clarify that the second the target is dead is the second gore effects stop applying MMMM?

[shy tulip]

My assumption is that the review board that forced that change probably doesn't like you trying to twist the rule like that

I think they said it's something about how bodies are treated in general

[manic oracle]

tbh i really dont care for the gore aspect. like i said, i care more for how the creativity and level design will now have to keep a limit in mind for future content.

[crude prism]

I said. That currently, as soon as a target is dismembered, they are flagged as "dead" in game.

(health is reduced to 0, even if the shot was not enough damage to be otherwise fatal)

[verbal dagger]

it's not a matter of twisting the rule it's a matter of the gore system operating realistically

even if it has to limit people trying to cheese up targets after they kill them

[shy tulip]

But my counterpoint is what scenario can you think of that is worse than what RoN already offers?

Gerby just confirmed in SE that the regulators didn't even ask about college

really funny how that works, dicks and tits no, but school shooting yes

[manic oracle]

its not about what they CURRENTLY offer, like ive stated at least 3 times now.

[crude prism]

Are we really gonna doompost about "they MIGHT design future content differently"
give em a chance lol

[shy tulip]

I am thinking of the future, what scenario in the future can you imagine being worse than what is already in the game?

We have terrorist levels, school shootings, drugs, cartels killing cops, etc

We have everything that I think Void would sweat about already

[manic oracle]

eyes wide shut-esque level

[humble mauve]

the los suenos nuke

[shy tulip]

idk what eyes wide shut is

[humble mauve]

(swat 3 reference)

[shy tulip]

reading the wiki page doesn't really help

I'm not sure what would be so bad about this

[manic oracle]

oh boy

[prime wing]

Speculation is a great marketing tool

[manic oracle]

go watch it. good movie, it could be a cool level.

[shy tulip]

I'm gonna have a very busy next few weeks, so I'll try to remember

But yeah, my point (not to repeat myself too much) is that we have everything that I could imagine being controversial: school shootings, cops being tortured, the cartel, drugs, I don't see what Void could add that would strip their cert and require changing

[verbal dagger]

I mean I'm with MMMM, I dnt think we have to sit here worrying about what could cause content issues in the future, i'm sure the only other thing would be organ harvesting but at this point there's no reason to worry about what's not there

[shrewd sluice]

as a dude who pre ordered the deluxe edition for console about two weeks ago hearing about the censorship is a little upsetting

[prime wing]

As a tip, never pre order

[shy tulip]

Could've sworn we had something related to organ trafficking, maybe that was a modded map

[verbal dagger]

I'm right there with you Oofy, I've played for years on PC, and was looking forward to ordering again on console

[shrewd sluice]

i usually follow that rule of thumb believe me. but i had been following this game for quite a while and assumed—based on everything i had seen—that i’d be safe

[verbal dagger]

idk how much i'll play on pc anymore, and i'm definitely no longer getting it on console

[shrewd sluice]

from what i’ve seen in the specifics after reading into it, it doesn’t look very severe at all. but i think what troubles me is less the content being removed and moreso the principle/precedent it sets

like where is the line drawn atp yk? if not gore then why a school shooting

[verbal dagger]

The first word that used to come into my head for this came was uncompromising, and that's no longer the case :/

[manic oracle]

People think of 'school shootings' as high school, elementary,etc etc. Elephant is at a community college. I know it sounds odd

[shrewd sluice]

huh. double standards. unsurprising from sony

[shy tulip]

We don't know who exactly did what, it could be Sony/Microsoft, a regulator, a regional reviewer, etc

[shrewd sluice]

fair. but i wouldn’t put it past them

[shy tulip]

besides it not being China

which is the funniest part to me

[prime wing]

Sounds like something Australia would do

Ok gore is fine but not too much

[shrewd sluice]

i’m wondering about the post mortem dismemberment thing… like will i just get a ragdoll esque movement with no visual gore if i dead check a guy?

[prime wing]

Gore is horror but the animals in their backyard somehow arent

[verbal dagger]

they keep saying not to worry about the gore changes but from what i've seen/heard it seems like it will make the game way shittier and less realistic

maybe they'll prove me wrong

[manic oracle]

I want to be wrong

[verbal dagger]

same, but i'm not confident with what i've seen

[manic oracle]

Still love Void, especially Zack with those banger tunes. Just want the best for the game

[shrewd sluice]

i think what would be nice is if they were fully and completely transparent or open with the changes pre console patch. like lay out exactly every instance that is changed so people aren’t left with an ambiguous devlog.

[verbal dagger]

i'm right there with you chad, i'm not exaggerating when i say RoN is my favorite game, but it's my favorite game because of how hard it goes

changes like these just make it a worse game

a video wouldn't hurt Oofy

[shrewd sluice]

agreed

potato potato. i’ll still play it and guarantee i’ll enjoy it. but i’ll definitely be left a little up in the air about my opinions surrounding it because of this

[shy tulip]

it seems they're slowly putting comparisons in #dev-updates

[verbal dagger]

i'll take a look at that casual, atm censoring the game goes against every reason i supported RoN so idk how much it'll change things for members of your community like me

eh, the dev updates example is fine on the detail of the gore staying the same, it's how that's implemented with damage from players/how the system limits after death damage which does not inspire confidence

[magic hearth]

The games raw tone and grittiness will remain, nor will the aesthetic change. The changes in game are small but unfortunately necessary for console launching

[verbal dagger]

having 5 officers hose down a suspect with shotgun fire and only 1 of those generating blood decals and 1 instance of gore related damage is unrealistic

[torpid meteor]

why not just give pc gamers mod abilities? then we can add it back in without touching the consoles.

[shy tulip]

You already have mod abilities

[torpid meteor]

also, hello. been a RON fan since the first demo

[shy tulip]

and it's expected someone will have a mod out for that probably within 6 hours

[timber mesa]

PC can just mod it back in if they want, yes

[urban walrus]

You already have those since the beginning

[timber mesa]

not ideal obviously but that's the answer

[magic hearth]

This is something that possibly could be looked into with a short timer system so there aren’t awkward events like this, but for now this is likely to remain.

[torpid meteor]

Oh. Oh yeah, nevermind them XD

[sullen creek]

it dose not matter if its realistic 5 officers going on a oil rig is vary unrealistic

[urban walrus]

5 officer Vs 30 suspects

[verbal dagger]

that's something we were suggesting earlier martin freeman, and thanks for responding, but if you don't implement some kind of timer system etc. it would very much fuck with the realistic vibe of the game and the impact of gameplay

[shrewd sluice]

question from a console pre order: i’m less concerned with the current changes and more the implications of this. what does this mean for the game’s tone and other related aspects going forward?

[verbal dagger]

you don't matter

[crude prism]

see ten seconds ago

[crude prism]

@shrewd sluice

[timber mesa]

also see the dev briefing

[shrewd sluice]

maybe i’m just misreading but i’m not sure that answers my question

and i did read through the dev blog

[sullen creek]

well that's not vary nice 😭

[verbal dagger]

hahaha, sorry i meant to say YOUR FACE DOESN'T MATTER

❤️

[shrewd sluice]

anyhow i’ll just hope for the best. 17 days left

[verbal dagger]

that's probably a good strategy Oofy, most of the content stuff will be untouched apart from nudity

and if you've never played RoN before it's pretty amazing, which is why people are upset about certain things changing

[sullen creek]

funny, but serially its not about realism its about dose it fit within the story. i agree with your point but not because its not realist but because it dose not fit within the game

[urban walrus]

Maybe you should rephrase your question (so that you can get a more accurate answer), because I see the reply from Martin clearly addressed your question

[shrewd sluice]

don’t be smart… i’m not trying to be rude

guess that’s what i should expect from discord though

[verbal dagger]

I get where you're coming from joe, i think that's important as well but I've always believed realism is important in ready or not because it's a major focus for the game

The fact that the shooting feels so realistic, and the situations you go through, and how the civilians and suspects react, it all comes together to make an especially great experience

when you starting making parts of that combination worse it makes the overall experience worse

[verbal dagger]

you have my hugs and my protection from rude people pretending to be from the renaissance

[shy tulip]

I'm not sure Battle is trying to be sassy, but I do think Martin answered the question, unless there is something more specific I'm missing

[sullen creek]

yes i think we are saying the same thing just with different words

[shrewd sluice]

my question was about the future of the game. not its current state. the message says “will remain the same” as it relates to the current state as far as i interpreted it. i was asking about beyond

[verbal dagger]

One of the devs was on earlier when that was asked Oofy, and he said that the general direction of the game will be unchanged

[shrewd sluice]

thank you. that’s what i was asking

[shy tulip]

I feel safe betting (though I don't have money to bet) that it'll remain the same where applicable, so like, they can't have tits out suspects, but they'll still go into dark themes

there of course is the possibility a major distributor/reviewer changes their rules but that would also apply past console most likely

Not sure why that one got deleted that time

[verbal dagger]

Hahahaha, idk either, that made me laugh

[shrewd sluice]

a shame. me personally, i can’t feel truly immersed if i don’t see a suspect’s severed snake hanging out.

/j i should clarify

[verbal dagger]

I mean, it doesn't change the general content in the game, but I will say the way that was handled before being censored hit harder and generally makes you feel super uncomfortable and like you want to help the civilians on that level

[orchid comet]

people on steam are saying the censorship isn’t good when it’s the smallest change ever

[verbal dagger]

kind of AK, the gore changes seem kind of significant

[orchid comet]

well true also the gore change was something

[ionic gale]

They’re only gonna make it that you can’t desecrate dead bodies

Completely fine if they’re alive

#dev-updates message

Please read this

[verbal dagger]

i read it and talked to the devs about it

[crude prism]

(this is bait)

[ionic gale]

It looks like that they are keeping the PC version the same

It sucks that they have to do it with the console edition, but it’s what they’re going to have to do in order to just get a little bit more leeway into having this game around on those platforms

[verbal dagger]

I GET TO POST THIS AGAIN SO NOW I FEEL SPECIAL

[crude prism]

hey y'all keep being so dramatic about it

[verbal dagger]

it's almost like it changes the game a lot or something 🙄

[ionic gale]

Well, what do you think the solution should be then?

[crude prism]

it's definitely A change, not sure if "a lot" is really apt

[ionic gale]

This stuff is going to get the game taken down on those platforms

[manic oracle]

changes have to be made to the PC version as well, check the console rating content changes section of the dev log.

[ionic gale]

This game is coming to console. There’s no filing that.

[verbal dagger]

I mean, games put a ton of money into those systems for a reason, even though it limits the amount of people who can play a game by age, devs still put a ton of work and money into making crazy gore affects

[orchid comet]

as kaminsky said you won’t find a change unless you’re looking for it

[ionic gale]

There is a new developer update in this server

#dev-updates message

[ionic gale]

The game is already rated M and but it’s at risk of becoming an AO rating if they do not make those changes

The Adults Only rating essentially kills your game’s exposure as game stores most likely won’t sell physical releases of it, & it will not be featured on any console platforms/major platforms

[verbal dagger]

the danger of it becoming AO was off the table when they removed the nudity

[manic oracle]

Yes ive seen that, but if its photos of minors that are being scrubbed then levels such as Spider (that 'one' room) and valley would be dramatically changed

[ionic gale]

It’s probably just altering more stuff in order for the game more squeaky clean

[manic oracle]

but it shouldnt be squeaky clean

thats the point of RoN

[crude prism]

yeah, but if that's the dealbreaker between it coming to consoles or not, are we really gonna say "fuck it" then?

PC players won't even see those changes

[ionic gale]

Yes

[crude prism]

I'm not happy about it. But are we gonna throw away the rest of the game for some small lore bits?

Idk, I guess if you feel that strongly about it, sure

[prime wing]

If it was to a player vote, it would be an interesting result

[verbal dagger]

From what Kaminsky said the photos will still reference what's happening on those levels, they'll just do it less directly

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if CSAM is featured as explicitly as ready or not is on Xbox games

The Xbox store and the PlayStation store of course it’s gonna be fucking strict about what is on their storefront

[manic oracle]

its not explicit, but its.. uncanny. which is the point

[crude prism]

You can't ask though. Like 99% of PC players would just say "fuck consoles" and grief lmao

[verbal dagger]

ehhh, is it griefing or keeping the game amazing?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, there’s definitely some gatekeepers in this community

[ionic gale]

I just don’t know

These are changes are going to have to be made if this game is going to survive on the console platforms

Not much we can really do

If void interactive does not play ball with these console companies then they’re out… this game is not coming to the platform

[verbal dagger]

I guess, and i'm sure this changes from person to person, but some changes seem unreasonable, for me it's the gore system because that effects the quality of gameplay imo, but it seems like there are different reasons to hate the censorship from everyone

I guess all of that adds up to no one wanting the game to less of what it is now

[rose bison]

one question i have though is how will the changes work in MP?

[manic oracle]

diversifying should not interfere with the level design nor creativity of a game. otherwise its muddy water and no one's happy

[ionic gale]

If you guys want some one to be pissed at then, I guess you can blame Microsoft and Sony for having strict ass platforms

[crude prism]

Sony and Microsoft playing favorites is just trash

[ionic gale]

It’s mainly them wanting to be extremely fucking cautious of having a game who is that is a “a bit too daring” giving them a bad rap

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the entire rules and regulations of what can be on there is a massive fucking gray zone

[verbal dagger]

I mean, from what i understand it is an interactive process though, there are some things void should be able to argue in favor of keeping in the game or walk out on the console releases

[prime wing]

I dont kno if its possible to know if its Microsoft or sony specifically, or other rating entities

[verbal dagger]

and there's definitely an audience for this game so it's not like sony and microsoft wouldnt' be losing money

[ionic gale]

Sony & Microsoft just don’t want a controversy with their game platforms (as if they don’t fucking get enough of it as is)

[ionic gale]

Void interactive has been wanting a console release for a long time it’s been planned and I don’t know

[crude prism]

the dismemberment change and light genital coverage is literally the result of the back and forth, they said none, they found a compromise

[ionic gale]

Would be really bold if void decided to pull the plug on the console release as a way to “protest” the stuff of their game being altered, but they’re not gonna do that

[manic oracle]

is it REALLY worth toning down an amazing passion project to gain maybe 1/3 of the PC player base?

[ionic gale]

I’m not saying that you’re a part of this group, but I got to say something

[verbal dagger]

Right, but to me it seems like a shitty compromise that they came to, especially given that the result hits pc as well

[ionic gale]

There are some people in this debate that really seem like that they’re just wanting to really fucking gate keep this game in order for console not to get it and they’re just using this entire situation as an excuse to be their argument

[crude prism]

if that's the difference between crossplay or not, it's a fair trade

[manic oracle]

If the version that was put onto console the EXACT version we grateful lads have received, theres literally no gatekeeping

[ionic gale]

I read the new discord message and it said that the PC platform will not be compromised?

[verbal dagger]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be crossplay, i'm saying that given it will affect crossplay you would think they could swing more in the direction of not changing certain things

[ionic gale]

“To elaborate a bit more:

The changes with the console version are small enough that most people here wouldn't notice if we didn't say anything, but we want to be transparent. It's largely just evidence and nudity that's altered, and the texture changes don't affect the PC version.”

This was the first paragraph of that message sent by Gerby

[verbal dagger]

right but that means certain things like gore are changed for both pc and console

don't you dare do it MMMM ❤️

[ionic gale]

The thing is that I don’t know what we should do

[manic oracle]

dev log.
** If the in-game assets were not the same it would make crossplay unusable; the game content must be equal or basically equal for multiplayer to work. Different versions of assets affects multiplayer replication, which is the ability for the server to understand what’s happening in-game and host players in the same lobby/server.

[verbal dagger]

hehehe

[ionic gale]

We are all h having pissing matches about this situation, but we don’t have a good solution or anything like that that could really fix it

[verbal dagger]

i mean i don't think there's anything that can be done atm, but i also think it makes the game worse

[ionic gale]

The developer log was old though, and this new message is a elaboration on this

[verbal dagger]

but that's just my opinion

[ionic gale]

They can update & elaborate on more stuff

Again, I feel like that we’re just stuck at something

What can we do? Some people don’t want this to happen

[manic oracle]

Texture assets are different. they wont have dicks out for mr.ghillie texture on pc and dicks-not-out ghillie for console during crossplay. not that im advocating for dicks out

[ionic gale]

ah ok

[verbal dagger]

You should always advocate for dicks out

[proven parcel]

if i die but the npc clutches ( like one suspect left and i died) do i still win?

[manic oracle]

I want the people i've been preaching this game to for literal years, to have the same experience we do and had, because they deserve the same experience we've had on our first playthrough.

[verbal dagger]

I mean, if there was any ability to roll back some of the censorship changes i would hope it would be for gore systems since I think that's a gameplay affecting change and it's a weird thing to allow for other games but not RoN

Allowing void to keep in pictures of kid who have been diddled or nudity in SA circumstances might be impossible for a console release

no you lose at that point kyuniue

[proven parcel]

aw okay

[verbal dagger]

True though Chad, RoN right now feels like exactly what Void wanted to put together in the best way possible

[manic oracle]

even tho they should've built a pc

[crude prism]

the fact we have pictures of kids is already kinda wild in such context of the existing 18 rating

the voll house/other map kid pictures particularly feels like CSAM content, even without nudity

[verbal dagger]

Absolutely, that's why i've always thought of uncompromising crazy devs when i've thought of ready or not

that shit is wild and makes you feel all kinds of uncomfortable while wanting to murder the hell out of Voll

[manic oracle]

Im probably out of line here, but I saw a comment saying the PC players can mod these things back in. It's not a good way of treating your main player base cough bethesda

[crude prism]

ayup, but if it's really THE dealbreaker for those people, they can still do it

[verbal dagger]

nah i completely agree with that, that's not out of line. My PC is an absolute potato which is why i avoid the hell out of mods, that and people shouldn't be required to download mods to have the experience they paid for

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I do agree if you have to have mods in order to make the game playable then that’s when it becomes a bit yikes

I mean, we have heard about games who have such dog shit optimization that people are literally making mods just so you can play it properly

stalker 2

[crude prism]

classic [insert any bethesda game here] moment

[verbal dagger]

I guess that's what's especially annoying, Void have done a great job of not being any of those shitty companies and not making any of the compromises which would make the game just another tacticool game on steam

AND NOW COMPROMISE

[manic oracle]

mods shouldnt have to restore/fix a game to what it was designed to be.

[crude prism]

"just another tacticool game" ah yes, the fierce competition like [file not found] and [file not found], or perhaps [file not found]

[verbal dagger]

ahh and you forgot asset flip [file not found]

[crude prism]

Void definitely has the PC market for now. And soon they'll have it on console too, lol.

At least if it succeeds on the sticks, it might set a fire under the feet of more developers to delve into the genre

(and not just more indie asset flip slop or "still in EA for 18 years branch")

[desert island]

i wana see a tactical zombie shooter tbh

[verbal dagger]

even then i don't think your EA's and such could do it because they're too constricted by keeping things vanilla and not dealing with such uncomfortable subject matters

it's not tactical at all but i always loved the system for state of decay

[desert island]

1st person, gritty, campaign shooter

[verbal dagger]

That would be fun

[desert island]

like if killing floor was a campaign shooter like left4dead

[crude prism]

erm, it's called Frenzy and it's the best Insurgency Sandstorm mode

(real)

[verbal dagger]

frenzy is wild

[ionic gale]

I would say SCP 5K but that game is kind of in a weird early access state

It’s still bare bones for what it is.

I mean, recently, they did redux the entire Antarctica map, but it’s still a long way from becoming a full-fledged game

[crude prism]

yeah I'd wait until that one pans out

[desert island]

is frenzy pve

[crude prism]

ye

[verbal dagger]

but it's only available at certain times, at least that's the way it is on console atm

[desert island]

it looks like frenzy is pvp

no wait nvm

[verbal dagger]

nah it's coop, but all alternate game types for insurgency rotate at random

[prime wing]

I dont know a single project that has any potential to compete outside of being glazed by youtubers and putting out the most atrocious AI generated marketing in their early access page.

been that way for 3 years

[bronze sequoia]

I just saw that the pc version will have changed gore and nudity so it's similar to the console version, like how does that matter? If someone shoots a suspect's arm off, whether or not their arm is gone the code should still tell the console version the suspect is dead right? Or are limbs and gore mechanics tied to suspect health, so if the gore is limited it's harder to tell suspect health if the console version doesnt have the same stuff?

[prime wing]

Everyone is chasing extraction shooters now.

[ionic gale]

Despite the state Tarkov is right now, it did light the fuse on that

[verbal dagger]

maybe operation harsh doorstop

[ionic gale]

I mean, we had extraction shooters since like Tom Clancy, the division

There’s gray zone warfare out there

Would you guys say that hell divers two would be an extraction shooter?

[crude prism]

TLDR, the change will be:

only the killing blow can dismember, you can no longer mutilate corpses with repeated dismemberments after the fact, that's all

(it's specifically about rating issues with desecrating bodies it seems)

[desert island]

ready or not wit zombies

but i guess it wuld cause too much fps drop if they double the suspect count

or hav like 100s

[verbal dagger]

maybe that's like, a factor they consider alongside the other violence, but it looks like that still just adds up to an M rating from what i see

[bronze sequoia]

Isn't ready or not supposed to be about the gritty and horrific nature of what SWAT go through? This is just lessoning how bad it looks

[verbal dagger]

yup, which is why i've been complaining about it in chat all day, cuz taking out the gore fucks with the realism lol

[crude prism]

I'm gonna repost the fucking image, it's too relevant

[verbal dagger]

Hahahaha, i knew you would

[ionic gale]

It would be preferred if they did not have to do these changes

However, it’s going to be needed if this game is going to stay on the platform

[verbal dagger]

YOU'RE WRONG THOUGH IT'S GAMEPLAY AFFECTING

[bronze sequoia]

Steam has 0 problem with it, the only reason they're doing it is to make it easier for the console version and to have it have crossplay

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that’s what I meant

Consoles are a lot more strict so these are changes that are going to have to happen

[tiny quail]

welp, kinda sucks, but ya gotta do that for the game to be on ronsole i guess

[ionic gale]

And yes, they want to keep cross play and keep everybody into connected

[worldly zenith]

Officer johnson needs to sybau idc if you need a break 🤞

[fervent hinge]

I mean is the gore that much of a problem for console cus there is so many games with a lot of gore

[desert island]

so that means ready or not on switch

[verbal dagger]

eh, still sounds like bullshit to me given the gore in other games, but the devs have said it is a ratings thing

[tiny quail]

does the gore change affect pc too?

[ionic gale]

it is the context of this game mostly

[ionic gale]

You’re in a realistic law-enforcement job where you are dealing with criminals

[fervent hinge]

Yes but still
😔

[ionic gale]

Yeah, still sucks

[tiny quail]

does the censor affect pc too? or just a console thing

[ionic gale]

They don’t give a fuck if it’s fictional aliens or something

[crude prism]

this is an example of what you would get now, if you dumped a suspect with a shotgun
(which I did for this image)

Same decals, same blood effects, just no more limbs can come off if you attempt to mutilate the corpse further

[ionic gale]

The texturing? No

The gore? Probably.

[desert island]

game ruined i cant be a psycho cop

[tiny quail]

which one of you fucks mutilate every corpse you came across anyways

what i usually do is shoot center mass and just occasional one of the limbs come off in a firefight

[compact sequoia]

gerard doesn't have his schlong out anymore, damn you woke crowd

[ionic gale]

I LOVE…. I don’t think I should say that.

[true hare]

So they’re censoring it for pc too? Why not have separate versions?

[tiny quail]

we can't gerard our scott anymore 😔😔😔

[ionic gale]

It just invites more bugs

[verbal dagger]

more like, game is ruined, you can no longer roleplay the albuquerque police department

[crude prism]

nobody will notice the change unless they're seeking it out

[ionic gale]

They don’t want to maintain two different versions of the game and also cross
play is conflicting this too

[fervent hinge]

I only do that sometimes if the game has a gore mechanic like this
A good example would be the dead island 2

[compact sequoia]

gerard cock restoration mod soon?

[fervent hinge]

Imagine dead island 2 gore on ror

[true hare]

So what all is being removed?

[desert island]

risk of rain gore

[fervent hinge]

There is gore?

[tiny quail]

Okay so
Gore change is universal, just slightly lessen version
Texture censor is....platform exclusive?

[prime wing]

no

Its only gonna be one build

[tiny quail]

WHAAAAAT

[crude prism]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

[shadow ice]

askin the real questions here

[upper quiver]

True

Fuck Microsoft and Sony

[ionic gale]

Certain details like the textures of clothes… certain products being suddenly altered

[fervent hinge]

Wait what kind of texture change

[verbal dagger]

i will never forget

[prime wing]

marketing at its finest

[ionic gale]

Like for example, the CSAM content on Michael Williams computer? On the PC version that’s gonna be the usual kids and his neighbor

On consult, it’s just gonna be buffering pictures

[tiny quail]

Know what im no game dev so i don't know stuff how game dev works and ratings so whatever, i can get a restoration mod anyways if i really need it

[true hare]

Like what? Is the elephant level flat out being deleted?

[prime wing]

lmao

[bronze sequoia]

Because it would make the console version harder to work with crossplay and ig they really want crossplay
apparently it would somehow introduce more bugs to

[tiny quail]

slight censoring, the kid pictures on 23mb for example

[ionic gale]

No, no no it’s only textures and very, very small changes. It’s not like they are completely rehashing levels. It’s not that substantial.

[tiny quail]

the things we sacrifice for ronsole...

[crude prism]

see devpost #dev-updates message

[true hare]

If they’re already making these changes then would they prevent modding per the order of their publisher.

[ionic gale]

as you see, they are removing Gerard’s shlong in the console version

[desert island]

i assume the women on port and nightclub are gonna wear clothes now

[upper quiver]

They don’t care for sacrifices only profit

[prime wing]

what publisher?

[fervent hinge]

The body animation change for the kid is interesting too
It seems like they were warned for that specifically to change it

[true hare]

The console publisher. Xbox and Sony

[verbal dagger]

plenty of games allow mods on pc and not on console

[fervent hinge]

I mean there is gta v
Cyberpunk so hopefully that's good enough

[tiny quail]

watch them port it to switch and delete the entire string of mission about child trafficking

[ionic gale]

They’re not removing modding? It’s gonna be fine for PC and it’s been confirmed that we won’t have mods for console

[verbal dagger]

lol that reads as super sarcastic MMMM

[prime wing]

animation was always shit, i dont think most people caught on until they saw the needle

[ionic gale]

They’re not heavily censoring levels that’s not what’s gonna happen

[fervent hinge]

It's gonna be about chicken trafficking now
Just change evey kid and and the word kid with chicken

[true hare]

Fair but I mean they could always say “no no we don’t want the old stuff even modded back so we’re blocking off all mods. Only vanilla from now on

[crude prism]

change every child reference to COD POINTS

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/codpoint-gif-14486072169623927710

[tiny quail]

i love how people are either pissed off at the censor changes, or mad about no cock gerard

[crude prism]

I prefer the doctor disrespect one

[upper quiver]

Sounds probable

[ionic gale]

That’s not gonna happen

[verbal dagger]

next step is to change all gore in the game to confetti

[fervent hinge]

I didn't even know that guy has his cock out and I'm sad I'm not going to exprience it

[desert island]

yeah they are porting it to console, but are they fixing the stuff like how lenient being able to lockpick is

[crude prism]

next year april fool event for sure

[desert island]

theres still a bunch of annoying stuff

[chilly thorn]

The game used to have a character deformation system where you could blow eyes out and reveal jaws n shit, it looked really good but it seems to have either been removed or not work after Home Invasion, Really hope it comes back.

[tiny quail]

i took a peek at one a few months ago and holy shit

[humble mauve]

its still there #dev-updates message

[manic oracle]

Tryna censor the dude packing a heater

[tiny quail]

does that mean the informant tortured dude at narcos gets censored too? he has his schlong out too

[fervent hinge]

That sounds really dope
Like a lot of effort must have been there

[true hare]

Devs change their minds and go anti mods all the time. Because they don’t want any more drama or maybe they just decided it’s disrespectful. I’ve actually met an indie game dev who said he finds modding games incredibly disrespectful.

[desert island]

how opening a door is easy, but having to aim at a specific part to lock pick is dumb

[verbal dagger]

narp, they're toning down the gore system to allow release on consoles

RIP

[fervent hinge]

Yeah he did get censored too

In the patch notes

[crude prism]

what he's referring to is separate from the gore system, applies things that don't dismember

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if anybody has brought this up yet but

There’s also something to be said if people are wanting all of this gnarly shit into the game, “just for violence for the sake of violence”

[humble mauve]

oh im fairly certain thats still there too

[ionic gale]

I’m not saying that I agree with that. I just wonder if that would be a point of contention.

[true hare]

Which is weird because outlast still shows dicks on console

[tiny quail]

on the bright side, new arrest animations! :D

[chilly thorn]

no its not that is a headgib that is the same everytime used for the shotgun, the original game had ACTUAL dynamic deformation.

[ionic gale]

Again, it’s weird double standards and such

[humble mauve]

i'd need to check

[fervent hinge]

I think the violence would be good because it would be more immersive
And more gritty

[compact sequoia]

hope the slap one is still there

[chilly thorn]

Ill put comparsion between pre-UE5 and post UE5 in screenshots

[manic oracle]

we need to do violence against those who did violent violence against innocents

[verbal dagger]

Astral is right, it wouldn't be just a "this was a headshot so it looks like this every time" system, instead it depended on what you shot with, what angle you shot with, what part of the body part etc.

[tiny quail]

from what i hear its og ones + new ones

[manic oracle]

simple as.

[ionic gale]

Oh yes, but they have to be careful because they don’t want to be seen as “adding violence just for the sake of violence”

Needs to be a reason why they are doing this and they’re doing this because they want to show the gruesome job that taking somebody’s life would do

I’m pretty sure that is the main reason why this game is as gnarly as it is

[fervent hinge]

Not bcs I just want violence
The game is some sort of art showing this type of things and censoring it takes aways from some of the points
I mean they got a school shooter already in the game

[tiny quail]

so we occasionally gets to see other animations than the usual slap + knee kick

[compact sequoia]

nice

[ionic gale]

yah

[tiny quail]

imho, if they just slightly lessen the gore, it's fine for me, I'll take it

I'll just two tap a suspect then move on like always

[verbal dagger]

This, also it hits different

[tawny saffron]

People are just making a big deal out of nothing

[true hare]

Weird for sure because outlast is frankly more fucked up.

[fervent hinge]

Geard scott looks like leshy from inscryption

[upper quiver]

I can’t believe void just removes stuff for the profits, such filthy creatures

[verbal dagger]

not for nothing, it makes the game worse

[ionic gale]

Maybe it’s because that’s a horror game. It gets some sort of weird pass, but since this is a tactical shooter, which is supposed to deal with the horrors of policing? Maybe that is a bit more risky

[humble mauve]

the gore in-itself will be the same, you just can't turn people that have already been killed into chicken nuggets

[fervent hinge]

There is a level in outlast trials which you have to fill up a bathtub thingy with liquid std with a alive dude in it

[tiny quail]

it's another case of sony/xbox being a dick folks, what more to it

[manic oracle]

so it wont be the same lol

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that’s exactly the issue

[humble mauve]

the models, the blood, the dismemberment is all the same (or even improved)

[verbal dagger]

the system's already been toned down a bit and doing so again makes it less realistic and impactful, it's not about chicken nuggets

[humble mauve]

you just can't continue to dismember people

[manic oracle]

i should be able to paint the walls with amos voll IF i choose to, not that i always do, but the option is nice

[shadow ice]

I think it just dilutes the shock value the game gives. ESP for the Port, Twisted Nerve, and VoD. It won;t be as strong as it was when PC players got to take it in for the first time.

[jolly jackal]

Maybe instead of reworking animation graphs they should fix the bugged missions that you can't S tier

[chilly thorn]

I want to because it was a cool system and I don't see a reason to put all that work into it and just remove it.

[tiny quail]

oh yeah what'll they do to , just delete it?

[true hare]

Not to mention a character in the dlc militated men’s genitals. Plus the “birth” art thing

[fervent hinge]

Eddie gluskin !!!

[verbal dagger]

realistically, in most firefights people continue to put out shots until the target is down AND after, the change makes that process less realistic

[fervent hinge]

In the whistle-blower

[true hare]

Yes.

[fervent hinge]

Idk about them trying to shoot of the limbs specifically to make sure they are dead

They just put some shoots into the head or torso

[tawny saffron]

Who actually continues to dismember bodies after they’re dead? And i mean on a daily basis

[vague locust]

ahem

[tiny quail]

i cant lie im not that big of a realistic purist enjoyer so I'll just take whatever this game throws at me, I don't mind, as long as i get to enjoy the main gameplay loop consistently or even better

[vague locust]

funny past time when you've already experienced the same game over 10s or 100s of hours

[tiny quail]

(loop doesn't include dismemberment btw)

[vague locust]

if you really care about gore, just shotgun them

[fervent hinge]

If I was playing for the first time I would do it cus wow it has that and would do it On enemies who gave me way too much problem I assume

[elder rivet]

I just can't stand the caving in to arbitrary rules. The devs have no spine.

[verbal dagger]

usually they more just continue to put shots on target as much as they're able to, and sometimes that's center mass and other times they're just hitting other spots because they're trying hit their target

[manic oracle]

we do, slugs only.

[ionic gale]

Well, would you rather this game have gotten a complete ban on consoles?

[elder rivet]

Couldn't care less about console

[fervent hinge]

I'm on console 🥺

[vague locust]

poor console player

[tawny saffron]

Nobody cares about us it seems

[manic oracle]

but muh console

[vague locust]

buckshot might give you more of what you want? i think i had them tank some bloody limb hits

[ionic gale]

You know what? This is I’m Something else that also pisses me off

[tiny quail]

hey leave the console guys alone

[ionic gale]

Don’t know if these people are serious, but you guys are actually such assholes for wanting to gatekeep this game to PC

[tiny quail]

actual gatekeeper

[fervent hinge]

Also a question
How is the controller support On pc

[restive ferry]

Yes

[verbal dagger]

eh, i doubt anyone wants it to be pc only, having it on console grows the player base, it's just, fuck changing the game and making it crappier

[ionic gale]

I get the argument that this console would’ve made it so that the game did not have to get censored at all

[manic oracle]

how long have you and I and several others been in this chat? you damn well know its not because of the console itself.

[elder rivet]

I'm fine with bringing it out on console, I just don't believe you should be dragging down everyone else. So chill child

[jolly jackal]

Id rather they fix it on PC first before porting to console lmao

[tawny saffron]

Didn’t they say they’re not changing everything on PC anyways?

[ionic gale]

Eh, sorry

[verbal dagger]

not everything, but some pretty important things leader

[ionic gale]

I get why this console really seems like it’s bogging down the game

[tiny quail]

I'm fine with bringing it out on console
Couldn't care less about console

[crude prism]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

it's definitely still in, I honestly don't remember it being different, if it did change

[elder rivet]

Exactly - take it or leave it.

[manic oracle]

Leave it if its not the same experience we've enjoyed.

[vague locust]

i mean, its a non issue when PC can downgrade to an older version or whatever, on top of just waiting for a mod for it

[fervent hinge]

They should add a body pillow of judge in the game as compensation

[verbal dagger]

it's changed a bit from what I can remember MMMM

[vague locust]

just takes slightly more effort at worst

[vague locust]

and it should be a melee weapon

pillow fight when you've cleared the map, ez

[ionic gale]

I just find the entire argument of barring the game from being played by a wider audience in order to keep the atmosphere of the game a bit controversial is all

I’m not saying that you guys are currently doing that right now, but I’m pretty sure there’s people who have been actually spewing that shit out recently

[shy tulip]

For sure a lot of people advocating (mostly on Steam) to completely cancel console launch

some beyond the simple changes to the game

[verbal dagger]

i dnt think anyone actually wants to gate keep like that, most of what i'm hearing (and what i'm saying) is it seems like there are other ways the changes could be handled

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the changes could’ve been handled better

[orchid comet]

pc players just hate console

[vague locust]

in the defense of everyone else, steam forums is filled with salty people

[fervent hinge]

Win with the power of love

[shy tulip]

I'd phrase it more as Steam players hating anything that isn't Steam

[ionic gale]

It’s mostly a case of gatekeeping and I’m guessing silver ring clutching

[orchid comet]

literally

[verbal dagger]

well that is fair actually

[ionic gale]

Like sure there’s some valid concerns about the console release, possibly bogging down in as aspects of the game since it’s confirmed they are connected

Auto mod 😔

[manic oracle]

Steam isnt the entity putting the hammer down on RoN.

[ionic gale]

Wdym

[manic oracle]

As RoN stands right now, its an M rated game yeah? yet if this exact version we play today gets released on console, its considered AO?

[fervent hinge]

Mr Sony and Microsoft bullied Ron dev

[verbal dagger]

You know, I'll also say that beyond the console releasing changing parts of the game on PC, i also wish that console itself was getting a better experience. Diluting the console version of the game makes it a crappier experience on console as well when console players could be running the game like what i've been loving for years

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if console platforms rate games differently than what team does even though they are the exact same ESRB rating

[manic oracle]

Theres a handful of games in existence that have been granted the AO rating, and those games are beyond disgusting and not worth mentioning.

[ionic gale]

The platforms are to blame for having such wack rules about what is OK and not OK on their platforms

[fervent hinge]

I csnt say that
It's in the game smhhh

Is the a staircase being removed from the game

[manic oracle]

if not ESRB, then whos forcing these changes?

[ionic gale]

If ESRB ratings is not the issue, then it has to probably be media surrounding the game’s console release possibly being negative… or it’s probably just VOID taking precautions in case somehow in Sony or Microsoft crosshairs and getting the game removed from their platforms

[humble mauve]

afaik consoles have final say on what they allow on their stores especially digitally

[ionic gale]

Which that is a continency thing and I don’t know if that would happen

[ionic gale]

Wdym?

[humble mauve]

I could be wrong in that so take it with a grain of salt

[ionic gale]

These are all theories ofc

[shy tulip]

It was a case of the game not being certified if Void didn't make the changes, there was no "avoiding" it

[fervent hinge]

Wish it could have been something like a toggle

[ionic gale]

Wdym?

So it WAS ratings?

[shy tulip]

The game had to be reviewed for classification (and simply being allowed), and despite fighting, they were told make the changes or they cannot sell the game

[humble mauve]

say a game is rated by the ESRB but a microsoft or sony decides they don't like some aspects of a game or it doesn't comply with their terms of service, they could not allow the game to be sold

[manic oracle]

So console games are rated differently than pc games

[shy tulip]

If it was as simply as raising the rating then it would've been fine, but some of the sellers (from my understanding) do not have an equivalent to AO and would ban the game

[fervent hinge]

It would hurt their branding👉 👈

[ionic gale]

So that just reinforces the theory that it’s just Microsoft and Sony being spineless bastards

[humble mauve]

of course, I do not know the full intricacies of how publishing a game on consoles work so take anything I have said with about 3 grains of salt

[fervent hinge]

It's a very sloppy restrictions cus there is game which are clearly more gruesome

[humble mauve]

from what kaminsky said this wasn't an option for consoles, it wasn't allowed at all

[ionic gale]

Yeah, that’s another point to be made too…

“Double standards much?”

[verbal dagger]

wellp, fuck the changes, fuck console, and fuck the gore limitations, i'm going to sleep

[fervent hinge]

That's hot

[shy tulip]

(Do not fuck those)

[fervent hinge]

What if I drew the console as a pretty anthro woman/man

[shy tulip]

Legal has advised me not to answer the question

[ionic gale]

Should’ve save that reaction image for this

[fervent hinge]

Which one

[ionic gale]

This

[manic oracle]

PS5 freiren (non-lethal)

Anyhow, sorry for being annoying. goodnight all, have a great weekend.

[tiny quail]

As if that hasn't been done already

[shy tulip]

Do NOT look at the RoN artwork section on Steam

[ionic gale]

[heavy topaz]

why is that

is it just bad art or what

lemme check it out

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[heavy topaz]

where the hell is it

[fervent hinge]

I mean I can do my own version
More furry

[tiny quail]

furry gerard scott...

[fervent hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/leshy-inscryption-gif-8694846086772121391

Oh do gifs not embed smh

[fervent hinge]

Is the private friends only lobby still works for no ai team mates

[ionic gale]

You’re able to play completely by yourself in private/friends only lobbies

[fervent hinge]

Gotcha
Thanks

[worldly zenith]

"Whats a ronsole" 😔🤮👎🥀🥀

[gloomy valley]

Can anyone help me rq? can't find a way to bring half my HUD up again, the HUD is there like the mission stuff and whatever (I know F3 is for hiding and showing it and I tried it) But the stuff like bullets and the items I have or gun slots when I change guns don't show at all

[maiden sparrow]

Interesting that they are making these changes when Cyberpunk 2077 exists on console and (to my knowledge) there are no differences between pc and console

[long dome]

LMAO

[ionic gale]

You are definitely comparing apples to oranges

[long dome]

There are few HUD options in Options > Gameplay, else it's F3 or mods.

[ionic gale]

I mean, I get the nudity part

They definitely had to reel back on the nudity so that it becomes a moot point

[gloomy valley]

Ye I turned them all on tho, and I uninstalled the mods I had so

[maiden sparrow]

How so?

[ionic gale]

At the very most… cyberpunk 2077 got censored for just a bit nudity

This game is facing changes for possibly its subject matter…. It’s nudity of course and it’s gore…

Different ball game

[jolly jackal]

holy shit just sell this game to some triple a studio already its been 3 years and the game is still so unfinished

[ionic gale]

Oh, if so, then, yeah, the game would definitely be fucked

[stuck harness]

might be a glitch

[maiden sparrow]

Cyberpunk 2077 has plenty of gore and nudity in it, although I will say the changes to some of the subject matter are rather understandable

[stuck harness]

try pressing esc and it should fix it

[gloomy valley]

Ye Im guessing it is but how do I even fix it?

[jolly jackal]

I bet ubisoft could fix the missing evidence glitch within a week

[gloomy valley]

Hum that didn't work, it's been like that for a few days now......

[jolly jackal]

Literally released a DLC that you can't S tier all the missions lmao

[ionic gale]

First of all, Ubisoft is dead in the gutter atm

Second of all, I think a triple AAA developer picking up this game is a big fear

[stuck harness]

no they would js remove the feature lol

[ionic gale]

We’re all talking about the tiny bit of censoring for the console platform? but damn who knows what they’re going to cut in order to make the most money

[jolly jackal]

yea i dont understand the development priority

I guess its fueled by money

[ionic gale]

They would also fist us with microtransactions. I’m pretty sure.

Out of ALL triple game devs…

This game hypothetically being sold to Ubisoft? Thats a deal with the devil

[urban walrus]

easier said than done

[jolly jackal]

I don't care unfortunately

[ionic gale]

Even then… AAA companies with fucking kill the game

[jolly jackal]

The amount of bugs this still has in 2025 and the main dev priority being a console release is indicative of a horrible management lead

[ionic gale]

It’s a “pick your poison” situation with the AAA gaming industry nowadays but modern day Ubisoft would definitely be the fucking worst

[maiden sparrow]

@ionic gale Disregard my comment about the rating, between RoN and Cyberpunk...turns out it is the same afterall

[ionic gale]

Wdym?

I kind of understand what he means

It would not hurt having much more optimization and improvements to the game rather than doing a console release at this moment

[maiden sparrow]

I may have to DM to show you as I can't post images in here

[ionic gale]

Aight

[jolly jackal]

"It would not hurt" Its borderline necessary for the game to survive

Next you're gonna have every xbox player coming in this server and complaining about all the bugs

[ionic gale]

Hell yah

This game isn’t flawless

[jolly jackal]

Which in reality it should be? We had SOOO much time before 1.0 released

[ionic gale]

Not possible

[jolly jackal]

I feel like it was just made as a selling point, there was no point in development to where they said "this is polished enough now to be called 1.0"

They sold us a DLC in which you can't S tier every mission

Which if you're playing the game as intended, its missing the objective

I feel like they're throwing darts at a board blindfolded and then working on whatever it lands on but it keeps missing all the gameplay bugs and instead lands on shit like animations

[ionic gale]

You guys are probably heard about this for the 299383737374th time now but

fix ai pls

[jolly jackal]

Thats the one thing ill give them credit on

The AI is a lot more fair now than it was in 2022

[ionic gale]

I remember how The Left Behind essentially had Navy seal aim 😔

[jolly jackal]

The one thing thats still screwed is the AI moving while shooting

[ionic gale]

I know that this is already an old conversation now, but

Out of all companies, UBISOFT??

[jolly jackal]

Like shoulders in, leaned forward, strafing counter strike style

I lost a mission today because a guard was shooting accurately while moving at a jog speed

Thats just not possible lmao

[wet owl]

Love Terminator Meth Heads 🗣️ holy what is up with my english

[long dome]

I wish that'd be the only bad thing about the AI behaviors tbh, it most certainly is not.

But yea, the AI aim and accuracy in general is nerfed a lot. Though they do still noscope360headshot kill you from afar occasionally.

The missing context of it not ever happening here is the problem really.

[cobalt meadow]

Will they add the new voip with the console release?

[ionic gale]

wdym

[cobalt meadow]

Like what they teased in the dev updates channel

[soft minnow]

A few more days until we get ready or not on PS5 until then I will cut people's heads inside cyberpunk

Knowing my sleeping schedule chances are I will be up at midnight when it comes out in Australia at midnight

I'll either be completely out cold or have more energy than the country of Switzerland

[dim swallow]

Funny how void's updated gore showcase came back to bite them in the ass cause they gotta remove it now

[urban walrus]

They are not removing it, they just remove the ability to inflict more gore to the AI when they are dead

[tired summit]

Has it already been implemented, or is it going too? Since when i blast someome with a shotgun, then shoot their leg again it goes poof

[lone robin]

i hate sinuous trail.

[limber night]

It'll be implemented with console release

[tired summit]

Will it also be for PC players?

[limber night]

Yes

[tired summit]

Alright

[limber night]

Game bad now cuz 13 year olds can't cut off arms from corpses for fun

[eager walrus]

and then 1.0 was a massive step back

turns out sacking your publisher and QA and replacing them with nothing doesnt work well

[limber night]

Well it sure worked well for em, 9 mil copies sold

[eager walrus]

oh yeah there's no competition so void can do whatever the fuck they want and itll sell well

[limber night]

Yup

Only real competition is GB and that stinks even more

[eager walrus]

yea i tried that briefly and it was not good

[limber night]

Operator has higher chances of succeeding than GB

Cuz Operator at least tries with it gimmicky gameplay

[eager walrus]

yea

[short crow]

People on Reddit spitting nonsense

[limber night]

Nothing out of order tbh

[eager walrus]

par for the course really

what is it now'

[limber night]

RoN reddit is really a whole different dimension

[raw gale]

I'm very disappointed about the censorship. Stumbling on unspeakable things was a core part of the RON experience

[short crow]

Nah its not a big change

[limber night]

You still do stumble on unspeakable things tho

The censorship just limts the gore a bit, makes the child a heavy ass sleeper n covers up some nudity

Nothing that would add to the gameplay or it's world

So nothing of value was lost

[eager walrus]

what have they censored?

[short crow]

You won't be able to dismember a dead suspect and coverd the undressed women with a bit of clothes

Not that big of a deal

[limber night]

Don't show ppl old port where woman had rags over them

Or they'll tweak tf out

[raw gale]

We don't know exactly yet but from what I understand any explicit reference to CP is gone

[cunning fractal]

I better not be shooting fuckin confetti at enemies like you used to in Helldivers

[raw gale]

I don't care that much about the gore

[limber night]

God bless if true

[short crow]

Nah we know the com manger explained it here

[limber night]

That game only shock value is CP

It would finally make Void creative lol

[cunning fractal]

I feel like it would be better if there was a setting to turn down the gore a bit instead of forcing it

[limber night]

But the gore is still there tho, just you won't be able to do that on corpses

[short crow]

The only gore change is that you won't cut a dead body now

[limber night]

Which is literally nothing lost in value unless you're an edgy 13 yo

[cunning fractal]

Damn, that’s a shame

[eager walrus]

i don't see an issue with that

[urban badge]

if i read the dev brief correctly that this will be censored only on console. evidence and some content will remain intact on pc

[eager walrus]

has the subreddit gone into an uproar over that

[limber night]

Me too, it's a pretty fair change ngl

[crude prism]

Per Kaminsky, Microsoft and Sony said NO to a toggle. They specifically didn't want any dismemberment at all.

The "only the killing shot dismembers" ~is~ the compromise

[short crow]

They are taking it as death or life situation

[limber night]

Sorry guys, Void is WOKE now

[cunning fractal]

[short crow]

Wounds appear on dead bodys now

[limber night]

They submit to liberal companies like SONY or Microsoft

[short crow]

And after the update too

[eager walrus]

about standard then

[crude prism]

For reference, something like this is still possible.

You just won't be able to tear off extra limbs on corpses.

The best part of the dismemberment system is the gruesome death animations anyways

[limber night]

RoN ain't dark n gritty enough. They should release a dlc where Judge has his jank out to bring back the dark n gritty

[short crow]

I mean why would a real swat member dismember someone dead

[eager walrus]

oh they changed more animations

that aren't really noticeable

[short crow]

Doesn't matter alot

[limber night]

Ain't gonna lie dismembering someone dead during regular gameplay doesn't even happen for 99% of time, so removing that ability is like removing nothing

Nothing ever happens

[eager walrus]

yea unless you're using a shotgun and why would you do that

[crude prism]

sorry guys, RoN is woke now

(all this is still gonna be possible on the console build btw)

[limber night]

Right?

[eager walrus]

any armour at all and may as well pack up

[short crow]

Ik but on Reddit people talking and spreading nonsense

Someone post smth and pin it

[urban badge]

unplayble

that's a joke

[wet owl]

It’s definitely more of that guy in the basement of the station that gets dismembered when dead. In a mission it’s just a waste of ammo

[eager walrus]

can we get a rework of the grenade physics

[crude prism]

Nah. Shotguns in RoN are actually wildly OP. And I submit video proof!

https://youtu.be/RqhTzAeIr10

[eager walrus]

try to bounce something off a door frame and it just falls straight down

[crude prism]

REAL

[urban badge]

i think changes on pc are very minor for me to care.

[wet owl]

Still trying to figure out if Buckshot or slugs are better

[eager walrus]

buckshot if you want the enemy to pretend to be hurt if they have armour

Slugs for the same thing

buckshot more fun though

[crude prism]

Buckshot is wildly effective because it has 2 extra instant-kill triggers on top of dealing absurdly high limb/bare torso damage.

[eager walrus]

yea

shotguns are just more fun to use than the rifles

[short crow]

Haven't played yet but shotguns always more powerful

[limber night]

What's the best smg according to game stats

[urban badge]

cuz unlike in other games where it's basically a melee weapon. it has some what a realistic range from what i read, idk i ain't a gun expert.

[eager walrus]

id probably guess mp5 10mm

[limber night]

Inb4 the flux

[soft minnow]

I can't wait to be terrible at this game

[eager walrus]

im looking forward to the difficulty levels

[wet owl]

Can’t wait to use the 40 for S runs

[limber night]

Close enough welcome back different scenarios from EA

[eager walrus]

oh is that how theyre doing it

[limber night]

No idea tbh lol

[soft minnow]

I actually think having a PlayStation Edge controller with the back buttons might actually come in handy

[limber night]

I'm just sayin random shit

[eager walrus]

maybe

[soft minnow]

I think it will

The back buttons came in handy when I was playing Cyberpunk

[urban badge]

you'll be fine if you don't play it like cod. and make sure to have someone monitoring entry points to the room if you don't play alone. it is easy to be flanked or shot in a back if you not careful. and always pie the door

[wet owl]

Who needs to pie when you have a Mirror gun :)

[tired summit]

Imo buckshot, since the spreads not that bad

[crude prism]

(buckshot btw)

[soft minnow]

I'm not reading all that

[wet owl]

tldr: BE CAREFUL

[eager walrus]

Yea just cleared most of the post office

shotgun is good

[soft minnow]

Oh thanks

[urban badge]

i do it just to be sure, i like to double check before i go in in multi

[soft minnow]

I'm sure I will slowly learn how to play I mean I used to just like Call of Duty and I somewhat enjoy the franchise now

[eager walrus]

tfw npc swat executes a hostage

[soft minnow]

I can't wait to play tho and the DLC

[urban badge]

game has a tutorial so it will ease you in

[eager walrus]

accidentally replayed the tutoiral the other day its not bad

[wet owl]

ngl it kinda reminds me of the CSGO tutorial

[soft minnow]

I can't wait to be hyped on 4 energy drinks and having a heart palpitations

[tired summit]

I got stuck in the tutorial due to some input bug, so i just went into the missions head first. I did learn a few things but nothing extremely important.

Now im stuck at this one level where you gotta arrest a retired naval officer, but im gonna reattempt it tonight

[eager walrus]

ohthat mission is fun

[wet owl]

Brisa?

[soft minnow]

I can't wait to take it nice and slow and deliver some 556 Justice