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[stark dew]

You love killing, but there has to be a line somewhere

[tranquil marlin]

A supect killed a handcuffed civvie and I still got S+

[hidden rapids]

What are you talking about 🙏

[stark dew]

You didn’t do it and it wasn’t an elephant soooooo

[tiny quail]

me holding my urge to not kill amos voll during s rank runs

[obsidian jolt]

Now I wish some cosmetic stuff got fixed, namely:

-The heavy armor clipping with most uniforms all over the place
-NVG's literally getting inside the gasmask instead of being regulated to be on top of the glass

[hidden rapids]

insert the "just do it" .gif file

[stark dew]

A very reasonable use of unauthorised use of deadly force, I admit

[summer copper]

thankfully you only have to S rank it once and then you can go back to blowing his head open

[wispy ember]

at some point yes,but theres some glitches when you cant understand if suspect is surrendered or not,plus some of the AI can use more advanced tactics like regroup,or even callout when you are reloading

[hidden rapids]

The mp5 is the cool

[tiny quail]

will i actually get shot down from my ai teammate if i do that? since it happens even if i ever so slightly strays bullet a civvie

[obsidian jolt]

The MP5SD is beautiful but objectively useless

[stark dew]

Have you tried the new scar? It can 1 tap incapacitate unarmored stuff

[hidden rapids]

If you hit head if you hit body and no bullets hurt now mod you will have your legs turned into baked beans

[summer copper]

if you restrain him then kill him yes your ai teammates will shoot you

[hidden rapids]

I used enough 7.62 for now. I spent the last week with only 7.62

[stark dew]

✨ aesthetic purposes ✨

[opal basin]

Well most guns serve the same purpose, really just pick whatever looks coolest and makes you feel the most badass

[hidden rapids]

exactly

I mean running into day 1 with a m249 and just shooting is fun

[opal basin]

Day 1?

[hidden rapids]

Mission 1*

[stark dew]

If we think of meta, most of SMGs are useless but people are still using them, including myself

[obsidian jolt]

I mean, it is just annoying to have to magdump to do something

[opal basin]

Also has anyone experienced crashes on startup? I haven’t been able to play, this is just for the new update

[hidden rapids]

they are just cool

[opal basin]

Aim for the head, or download a 9mm buff mod

[hidden rapids]

mods are broken uninstall mods

[stark dew]

It’s a 3 shot incapacitation to an unarmored suspect, no?

[summer copper]

once

[opal basin]

I uninstalled all mods. Also didn’t void say they wouldn’t break mods AGAIN?

[stark dew]

Or launch safe and wait for fixes

[obsidian jolt]

I made a custom AI mod that basically reduced their HP. Unarmored 7.62 to the chest was an instant kill, 5.56 was instantly incapacitated and 2 9mm made dropped them incapacitated

[hidden rapids]

well they did

[opal basin]

we did this 4 months ago

[stark dew]

It’s not really up to Voids honestly

[obsidian jolt]

Lol no, at least not when they are shooting at you in the rig

[summer copper]

realism

[cyan geyser]

is there really a point where we can have realistic AI in games? isn’t it mostly subjective since there’s no empirical way to measure how realistic an action is

[hidden rapids]

Some mod developers probably dont mod anymoe

[opal basin]

Will previous mods ever be compatible again or are we just starting from scratch like we did on UE5 update

[tiny quail]

chat quick can you give me a number from 1-18, im bored and dont know what base game map to try the new updated animation on

[hidden rapids]

just uninstall and reinstall what gets updated

[cyan geyser]

0

[hidden rapids]

from scratch basicly from what i know

[tiny quail]

training map it is

[stark dew]

Most likely the second option, not like Void can fix 3rd party mods, it’s all up to mod devs

[hidden rapids]

At least its still UE5.3.2 uassets

[cyan geyser]

also what updated animation?

[opal basin]

Hear me out.. void makes an update that doesn’t break all mods

[stark dew]

And how would they do that

[hidden rapids]

Do the antiflash glashes make your screen really bright?

[tiny quail]

surrender anims, suspects seem to hesitate more

[summer copper]

damn... why didnt they think of that?

[cyan geyser]

oh yea I definitely saw that while playing yacht

[hidden rapids]

i love no mercy for terroritsts

[opal basin]

Just make the update like not touch certain things, I can understand if AI mods are inevitably broken but there’s no reason why reskins and new weapons would break

[stark dew]

It’s pretty hard to just “not touch certain things”

[hidden rapids]

Ok mr experienced developer

[opal basin]

Man I don’t know how unreal engine works, I have to use knowledge from other engines

[obsidian jolt]

I mean, it is just extremely unlikely that suspects will instantly turn 180⁰, start shooting full auto with the accuracy of a navy seal and nit drop his weapon with 5 swat aiming their flashlights at his face while gas is everywhere

[stark dew]

I don’t think that Devs know which parts of the update break the mods

[opal basin]

What did they even do to break gun mods

[hidden rapids]

let me explain it: It works by burning your gpu alive

[stark dew]

New attachments, new guns, whatever change could honestly break the mods

[opal basin]

How does the update interact with fucking “spas 12 replace 870” or anything like that

[hidden rapids]

hear me out: ready or not on the source engine

[summer copper]

while gas is up? just a skill issue atp

[hidden rapids]

its gone broken. The asset aint but the replacement code is

[stark dew]

Tarkov?

[opal basin]

Great idea, more optimized and nobody can say “you don’t know anything about developement” because I do

[obsidian jolt]

Gas is as inconsistent as ever haha

[hidden rapids]

Gas is boring

[obsidian jolt]

Gasmasks look insanely cool

[stark dew]

Me bringing 7 gas grenades with a cs grenade launcher to valley of the dolls

[hidden rapids]

because it makes any shot considered "excesive force"

[opal basin]

Tarcock is on unity silly goose

[stark dew]

Oh, I messed up

[hidden rapids]

-Judge after shooting one too many civilians and hitting the recommended command button "kill me"

[opal basin]

No problem, it would be kindof weird because only good games are on the source engine and tarkov doesn’t meet that requirement

[stark dew]

A learned one thing while trying to complete hide and seek
If suspects do anything but dropping their weapon after I hit F I shoot

[potent stratus]

I give up, I legit have absolutely no idea how to get sleeper agent

[hidden rapids]

But why not just shoot before it i dont understand

[stark dew]

Excessive use of deadly force

[tranquil marlin]

Where is the MILO meeting point?

[hidden rapids]

ever heared off the mod "no mercy for terrorists"

[stark dew]

Nope

[obsidian jolt]

My final wishlist for the next update:

-Remake the AI: Make it less aggressive and with some sense of self-preservation. Tweak the insane accuracy and tracking. Maybe make 2 settings, one as it is and a more down to earth one.
-S+ runs where noone in your team gets injured and you don't kill anyone.
-Make NVG's not clip with gasmasks.
-Optimize the game. Just that.

[opal basin]

Broken now

[hidden rapids]

got updated

[opal basin]

Oh

[stark dew]

New civvie behaviour sucks so much I swear

[obsidian jolt]

I need florida nights to be updated, children of tarone too. Those two maps are peak

[potent stratus]

Find a toilet on the lowest floor, there will be a wall with a red outline. Use C2 on it

[hidden rapids]

no stress asset loader some guns no mercy and a few others are up alredy

[wispy ember]

||first floor,showers room near indoor pool||

[stark dew]

The dumbest and most stubborn people ever

[obsidian jolt]

It is bad because it doesn't make sense when the suspects are navy seals with the tact and self preservation of a pitbull

It would be awesome if the AI suspects also were hesistant

[hidden rapids]

just knock them too the floor

[stark dew]

I legit have to magdump the wall near them for civvies to surrender

[opal basin]

I would love cutting power like in the trailer, it would make night vision more dynamic and an actual tactical decision, and would make it all just more cool which is what RoN is all about

[stark dew]

With a taser, right?

[obsidian jolt]

I think hesistant suspects would be so much cooler by adding all the tensiin of not knowing if he will droo his gun or try to smoke you

[hidden rapids]

no litrally punch them i dont have enough slots for taser

[opal basin]

Did visceral blood get updated

[obsidian jolt]

Rn it is call of duty the moment they spot you

[potent stratus]

I can't fully explain but I heard someone talk about it earlier and basically game loading times would skyrocket

[hidden rapids]

dont think so. WAIT NO I WILL NEED TOO DO THAT 3 HOUR DOWNLOAD AGAIN

[stark dew]

Rn they are shivering while staring and you and screaming insults

[tranquil marlin]

What is the point of the NVG's? There are two missions that makes use of night and only one where it's dark enough to care.

[stark dew]

I had to shoot the air 4 times for a woman to surrender

[hidden rapids]

look cool

[obsidian jolt]

Same, man

[stark dew]

Pretty cool to use on rust belt

[opal basin]

That makes sense. At least if it works like in goldsrc, it would literally render the map twice, one time lit and one time unlit and swap between them.

[hidden rapids]

yall used nvgs on rust belt???

[stark dew]

In the tunnel, yeah

[opal basin]

I just want a more interactive environment, cutting power is one way but there’s more ways that are less taxing

[hidden rapids]

I am disappointed

[wispy ember]

depends, sometimes badass no helmet style, sometimes nvgs

[tranquil marlin]

You Are Fined 1 Credit For A Violation Of The Verbal Morality Statute.

[obsidian jolt]

But then they'd also have to actually put work on the AI, like the AI pulling flashlights and reacting to steps properly.

Rn it would go like this: You cut the power and since enemies see perfectly in the dark they will shoot at you in pure darkness with no issues whatsoever

[hidden rapids]

what is this guy talking about

[potent stratus]

Jesus killing suspects even doesn't work, I've tested that multiple times now, if you want to get Sleeper Agent achievement, you most likely HAVE to go non-lethal

[stark dew]

You owe him a credit

[stark dew]

What’s sleeper agent

[obsidian jolt]

I need the balaclava mod updated so bad

[opal basin]

Well as I said I don’t want specifically light cutting, just more world interactivity. Light cutting is just the most obvious way to do this.

[hidden rapids]

Whats that am i supposed too mail him one off my kidneys now???

[stark dew]

Play multiplayer

[wispy ember]

again? i remember the lawmaker achievement,i got it through just going non lethal but i guess the idea of achievement was not like that

[opal basin]

Or play quick play mode

[tranquil marlin]

Its a joke from the movie Demolition Man. In this case I am saying "I am disappointed" violated the statute

[stark dew]

A credit.

[hidden rapids]

whats a credit

[hidden rapids]

oh ok

[stark dew]

Usually a piece of some kind of metal used for bartering between humanoids

[opal basin]

Also can we get intro cutscenes back?? Like driving to the place

[hidden rapids]

wait a second... IS THAT A TF2 REFERENCE???

[obsidian jolt]

It would also make some missions much more interesting, as I said it would be supercool to see the suspects pulling out flashlights, candles and trying to restore power

[tranquil marlin]

No idea, I never played TF2.

[obsidian jolt]

You ride a boat or a helicopter to the oil rig

[wispy ember]

achievement
"During ‘3 Letter Triad’, apprehend or incapacitate 15 suspects consecutively, within 15 seconds of one another"

[hidden rapids]

YOU SHOULD PLAY TF2 NOW

[spare eagle]

is there any way to get supporter edition anymore?

[wispy ember]

no

[potent stratus]

The last achievement for Dark Waters. It's pretty much impossible, you have to incapacitate or apprehend 15 suspects with no longer than 15 second breaks between them. I really don't think this achievement is possible, and if it was succesfully playtested then VOID must have some of the best gamers in the world on their team.
Either that, or there is a secret way of getting it that we haven't figured out yet

[hidden rapids]

does it count if you stack them up whilest ziptied with your crew ai dead and then shoot the suspects or is that just a free way too get trialed for 15 war crimes?

[opal basin]

I haven’t played the update yet. That sounds awesome tho. I really hope they do this kind of stuff for other missions, like maybe the recon chopper added to port hokan or something

[obsidian jolt]

It is peak

[potent stratus]

Doesn't work. Killing them doesn't count. They have to be incapacitated or arrested

[hidden rapids]

ah ok

[opal basin]

No. It was good, it’s still good, but I can’t reccomend it to a new player. It has too many issues at the moment. Starting tf2 in 2024 will just make them hate it.

[wispy ember]

"judge got ptsd and now suspects must fear"

[tranquil marlin]

The one thing I love most about this update is the chem lights. Just wish the lights dropped were the colors of the team.

[opal basin]

They changed chemlifhts?

[potent stratus]

I spent a good half hour going non-lethal and then carrying all of the suspects to one room, I killed them all as fast as I could and still nothing

[hidden rapids]

nuh uh

[wispy ember]

only on vests, every unit will have chemlight on back with name below

[tranquil marlin]

There are blue and red chem lights on the officers vest on the back and chest.

[opal basin]

Tf you mean nuh uh. The game is in a horrible state

[hidden rapids]

iron kevlar or ceramic

[opal basin]

Oh awesome! Like in the original trailer

[hidden rapids]

nuh uh

[potent stratus]

I have absolutely no idea how to do this, especially since all of the suspects obviously won't spawn that close to each other. The only way this achievement is possible would be if you somehow got 15 suspects in the same place, and all would give up (and not stand back up to kill you while you're tying up the others)

[tranquil marlin]

It makes visually tracking my team for multiple rooms easier.

[opal basin]

I hope the m249 mod gets updated, as well as the spas 12 870 replacer

[hidden rapids]

i run shields on blue and a breach shotty and a mirror on blue

[wispy ember]

its really a big rng,in some rooms i had them stacked in area,but they hit you hard

[hidden rapids]

the breach shotty gotthe benelli m4 as primary the mirror got the ga51

works quite well

[opal basin]

I give all my officers different guns and sidearms because I like to imagine they have different personalities and preferences

[wispy ember]

true

[hidden rapids]

i did that when mods still worked

[opal basin]

Like one guy has a 1911, one has a Glock, one has a revolver, one has a 92x

[potent stratus]

The rng would have to be absolutely insane, and it's not the only factor.

• The map is large, with lots of open areas
• Even if you go non-lethal it takes a few seconds or more for them to give up
• You move really slowly for a shooter, and just going through a clear hall will screw up your attempt

[opal basin]

One has a scar, one has a 416, one has a 1014, one has a mcx

[hidden rapids]

1911 is a grandpa the 92 is a dad the glock is a 20 year old and the revolver is a burried skeleton

[opal basin]

I don’t remember who has what but I specifically remember shield guy has the m1014

[hidden rapids]

ah yeah my shields run as primaries one the socom 16 the other one a scar h

what armor should crew ai use?

[potent stratus]

Ngl I'm kinds pissed because I had all of the achievements before the update, and now I ain't really sure if I can take that back

[opal basin]

Also I prefer quick play over commander one because it’s more fun but also because I really like having Prescott king and the other guys I can’t remember the names of

[potent stratus]

heavy ceramic

[opal basin]

Did they erase achievements? Mine were fine

[hidden rapids]

ceramic is kinda weak

[hidden rapids]

no he means he is having a hard time getting the news one

[potent stratus]

No, but Dark Waters achievements are added on top of that and with added achievements you lose the "all achievements" badge

[cyan geyser]

but most importantly your teammates don’t want to kill themselves after the missions in quick play

[hidden rapids]

fair enough

[cyan geyser]

I think the mental health thing could’ve been expanded upon

[potent stratus]

It's literally the best armor.
Blocks damage fully, doesn't fragmentate like steel. The only downside is that it will break, but if you are getting shot at enough to get it completely broken then you're playing the game wrong

[opal basin]

Also can we have the hurt leg mechanic back? Like if you walk while your legs are shot/broken then your screen has like blur effects while you walk, but you can walk at full speed?

[wispy ember]

of course,and to mention rng depends on your deployment point if im not wrong,but i dont really know if its necessary to go non lethal,in that case i just use more slots mod and take huge amounts of gas nades so you can cover this areas
i guess it can be a glitch,same shit happened for me on yacht with the party crusher achievement,i tried it multiple times tho

[opal basin]

That’s what I meant by it’s more fun

[cyan geyser]

they should pull a SWAT 4 and make you walk even slower when shot in the legs

[potent stratus]

I somehow managed to kill 15 suspects in that short frame two times (maybe 3). Nothing

[wispy ember]

cant imagine pain

[potent stratus]

I'm sure if killing was an option then it would straight up say "neutralize/kill" instead of "incapacitate"

[opal basin]

Nah, we walk slow enough as is. I just want some effect like this

[potent stratus]

Incapacitating is when the suspect is down, but somehow still counts as being alive, you probably know that

[opal basin]

You say somehow as if it’s unknown

They are still breathing

[potent stratus]

I may have used the word wrong. What I'm saying is, if they are damaged enough to get downed, but are not hit in any of the lethal areas.

[opal basin]

Yeah

[potent stratus]

Which is mostly by accident because precision shooting is really hard in this game, there is no way to reliably incapacitate suspects

[meager sapphire]

what is the yacht music

was vibing during a shootout

[shy tulip]

It's a modified version of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xwXO8fcra8

[coarse dirge]

Can someone enlighten me on all the soft objectives in leviathan dark water

[potent stratus]

Only one: turn off the drill.
There is a room connected to the main control room of the rig, there should be a panel on the wall with a red button you need to press

[meager sapphire]

underrated

[coarse dirge]

Im still missing a soft objective apparently, maybe an incapacitated civ

[potent stratus]

Probably evidence or untied dead suspect

[placid horizon]

turn off the drill, turn off the live stream

[placid horizon]

these do not need to be completed to trigger a hard completion

[potent stratus]

Live stream is a main objective

[placid horizon]

theres only 1 soft obby on the rig so unless he missed an evidence thats what hes missing

[potent stratus]

Hard completion only triggers automatically if you have done literally everything you can do. Secured all evidence, secured the dead suspects and civilians, and completed soft objectives

Soft completion activates when you just complete the main objectives, and you will get the pop up asking you if you want to debrief

[placid horizon]

incorrect

[wispy ember]

was surprised when i found original music being so underrated

[placid horizon]

hard completion triggers when youve done everything that can award you points as soft completion implies completing the mission without completing all objectives

[potent stratus]

I literally just said that

[prime wing]

ready or not has survived longer than suicide squad

[placid horizon]

restraining doesnt award points

[placid horizon]

unreal

[muted thicket]

isnt there also unsecured weapon caches in leviathan?

[potent stratus]

You need to secure the suspects to get full points, if a suspect is dead and not tied, they won't count as secured, thus awarding you no points

[coarse dirge]

Btw how do I find that hidden achievement room

[placid horizon]

calling them in counts the points, not restraining them

[wispy ember]

they give nothing

[placid horizon]

test it for yourself my friend

[potent stratus]

The caches are their own thing. Unarmed suspects might use them to get weapons

[coarse dirge]

In 3 letter triad right?

[wispy ember]

||on first floor go to showers room near indoor pool||

[potent stratus]

Hard to believe, but I'm not in the mood to check it right now

[muted thicket]

||go to three triad map, bring c2 and mirrorgun and then spawn loading bay and look for orange marker on wall (go left door as soon as you spawn)||

[placid horizon]

😭 why is that hard to believe

[potent stratus]

because it says "secured" not "reported"

[muted thicket]

you dont need to restrain if they are dead

[placid horizon]

^^ or incapped

[muted thicket]

it gives no points so it wont cause soft complete lock

[atomic laurel]

just realized all the new missions are almost 2 WHOLE YEARS after both the base game and dark waters

wonder whats up with the time skip

[wispy ember]

everyone got scared because squad of 5 people handled lots of work

[potent stratus]

Home Invasion takes place in february 2026, while earliest date for Dark Waters is may 2027, so more like year and a half. Even less

[atomic laurel]

still a pretty notable time jump

[potent stratus]

Yeah, I was shocked too
Also Thomas Rudes is back as sealing officer, while he was presumed fired after the Elephant and replaced by Alana Chan. Though Dark Waters evidence boxes have C.O.A.S.T. stamp on them, so it's likely he got a job there after leaving the LSPD

[wispy ember]

they might fill it in main campaign

[potent stratus]

Or maybe he just quit, went to therapy and later applied again. We really don't know

[shy tulip]

It's cause the bureaucracy takes forever so it took a year to get the paperwork filled out for COAST

[wispy ember]

fair enough

[potent stratus]

Still surprised the UPF attacked the oil rig more than a year after Lawmaker, I thought it was their immediate next target. Or maybe the takeover took some prep time, there is evidence of inside job on the map

[atomic laurel]

the earliest, mirage at sea, says september
or is there a piece of evidence i missed

[placid horizon]

read the briefing

[muted thicket]

are you talking about like ingame lore or developing the dlc and pushing it to public

[placid horizon]

key figures were arrested in operation lawmaker which caused a power vacuum; the organization returned to its grassroots methods like when it just started but then soon converted into a full on underground terrorist network, leading to operation leviathan

[shy tulip]

In-game

[placid horizon]

that makes sense!!

[muted thicket]

ah im still mad they called that dude Sah'id like wtf is that name man

[warped cave]

what is the ready or not map order in the lore, my friends don't believe the maps are sorted by level difficulty

[placid horizon]

probably so it wouldnt actually share a name with any real person

[placid horizon]

they're posted online; each mission in the dlcs take place one after the other i believe, all in recent time

[muted thicket]

but they could have called him any generic arab name like they did before in relapse iirc?

and doesnt the ARG have like the entire name of the founder of qatar in arabic too

i dont even know how to pronounce sah'id and im legit qatari like wtf

[atomic laurel]

they dont take place in chronological order, the club shooting and hospital attack were almost immediately after the gas station

[potent stratus]

Stop treating me like an idiot, the briefing for Leviathan only says the rig was stormed by UPF.

[placid horizon]

@warped cave to give you an idea:

• port hokan is the last chronological base mission, it occurs in 2026 during the hurricane landfall
• the day after, narcos takes place right in the aftermath
• following this, lawmaker, then dorms
• a year after the events of lawmaker, rig takes place. not sure about the other two but they all occur around the same time

[placid horizon]

it very clearly states somewhere in the briefing how the events lead up to the rig; might be under the suspects tab

something somewhere in the mission details for rig it states how the UPF came to be raiding an oil rig

[atomic laurel]

just remembered i have yet to see the new evidence

i am a masochist s ranked all the missions

[placid horizon]

rig almost reminds me of old port hokan

and the new hokans cargo yard

protip: if a map feels like a maze, use the map in the mission briefing to gain your bearings, its alot easier to section stuff off with wedges when you know where everything is

[wispy ember]

yet it's still kinda unique,i definitely like it,even ost got machinery sounds that are sampled into beat

[potent stratus]

So just like I said, the attack was planned for some time and there 100% were insiders on the rig, there are secret chat logs you can find that prove it

[placid horizon]

yes but it didnt take them a year to plan it

[atomic laurel]

the open areas on 3 letter triad FUCKED me up

[placid horizon]

if you want i can go find the part of the briefing im talking about but that'll really make you look like an idiot so

[atomic laurel]

when i finally finished it it was pure luck

[placid horizon]

the only open area that got to me was the bomb room since i came in from the second floor; i like to wedge everything possible so that helps

[placid horizon]

there was 1 insider on the rig that we know of who was fooled into thinking they wouldnt kill anyone, he gave them access and you can find that log in the kitchen on an open laptop

[potent stratus]

The attack on the rig is on 10/21/27, Lawmaker is on 02/19/2026, it is more than one and half a year

[placid horizon]

ok but im saying it still didnt take them a year to plan it lol read the messages im typing

the only one making you look like an idiot here is you

[atomic laurel]

10-20 fps on "low" settings

fuck it we ball

[placid horizon]

im proud to say i S ranked all the home invasion maps yet to do the base game or dark waters

@potent stratus found the very clearly stated part im talking about would you like to see it

ill highlight it for you and everything

[atomic laurel]

i really liked the oil rig it smelled like i was really there

[potent stratus]

How do we know if it did or didn't? We'd have to know when the rig was built. It is said to be new, but it may not be brand new, it may have been around during Lawmaker, it may have been completed later. My point was that before I knew the dates, I thought the attack on the rig was like a few days or weeks after Lawmaker

[atomic laurel]

bravo void

[placid horizon]

because its confirmed by the lore, #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

are you done now

[potent stratus]

I still don't understand your point. Yes, they attacked the rig after Lawmaker. Yes, there were a few changes in their leadership and methodology since then

[placid horizon]

my point is that you said you dont understand why it took them a year to plan the operation when they didnt

[stable kernel]

Chill

[placid horizon]

its ok to be wrong you dont need to get hostile im wrong all the time 😂

[stable kernel]

Move on

[placid horizon]

guys chemical warfare in ron

[hazy heath]

where is this orange mark in the shower room for the justice achievement?

[potent stratus]

what achievement?

[atomic laurel]

Room next to the secondary objective

Shower room with holes in the wall next to the drained pool and greenhouse

[hazy heath]

is it in the shower room?

[potent stratus]

Ahhh this one

[atomic laurel]

Yes, bring at least one c2

[hazy heath]

yeah ive searched for an hour and cant fiknd it

[opal phoenix]

It's near the shipping spawn area

[atomic laurel]

First floor

[opal phoenix]

I think? Cause I got it pretty easily oh my second run

[ember salmon]

Is ak fire rate still bugged?

[atomic laurel]

There may be a civilian there

[potent stratus]

Isn't there only one civilian on this mission? The handcuffed scientist

[opal phoenix]

Yup, that one

[potent stratus]

His location, along with the canister, is semi-random

[hazy heath]

is it suppose to be in the back of the shower room?

[opal phoenix]

I think so

[potent stratus]

Look at the walls, there will be a cracked wall with a red outline

[hazy heath]

i see the crack but no red mark and cant put c2 down

[opal phoenix]

Should be close though

[shy tulip]

look higher

[potent stratus]

Yeah it's closer to the ceiling. You won't see what's inside without the optiwand

[hazy heath]

still nothing

[humble sail]

It’s highlighted in red

Red rectangle

[potent stratus]

I'd give you a screenshot but I already turned off my pc

[hazy heath]

shower room, back side wall that touches the garden and pool

[humble sail]

Check out my post in #🪹the-sepulchre-arg it kinda spoils it but the video shows you where it’s at

[hazy heath]

ty no cracks no rectangle

high graphics safe mode as well

[stone bay]

Does heavy armor do anything for front protection? One guy I played with told me it only helps with side protection

[wispy ember]

heavy vest covers your shoulders

[potent stratus]

It adds side protection, and I'm pretty sure it covers your arms as well. That side protection is nothing to scoff at too

[rocky plover]

Covers the torso fully, light armour doesn't cover it fully

[potent stratus]

I'd say heavy armor is worth it, especially if you're using Gunfighter because it negates the slot limitations

[stone bay]

Worth it for S ranking vanilla game or should I go medium armor?

[rocky plover]

Uhh I personally use light armour

[wispy ember]

ah yes

[rocky plover]

Because I almost always take hits to my arms and legs mostly which armour is useless there

[wild shadow]

any tips for the new yatch mission?
civies start getting hunted almost immediately

[wispy ember]

light armour also have 25 slots w gunfighter

[humble sail]

damn that sucks! I infiled into the loading bay and just rushed to it

[rocky plover]

The 2 extra slots helps if you play vanilla

[shy tulip]

Your priority is the prince, not the civs or other suspects

[rocky plover]

If using gunfighter just use heavy I guess

[stone bay]

I've had good luck skipping over any bodies and such and immediatly going for the prince, almost always in or near one room

[wild shadow]

is there a typical area that he holes up in

[hazy heath]

i got it just there is no indication which is frustrating

[shy tulip]

Usually the upper levels, but he is slippery and moves, even if you confront him

[potent stratus]

Yeah, and because Gunfighter makes them both have 25 slots I honestly don't see a reason why you shouldn't go with heavy. The speed difference is not that big

[wispy ember]

around pilot deck, sometimes lower on outside areas, your chopper will spot him easily

[stone bay]

Also how useful has pepper ball guns been as of recent? Stopped playing with it at one point but someone says its gotten better

[rocky plover]

It's quite random I even found him in engine bay once

[potent stratus]

Pepper balls are useless, go with beanbag but be careful not to hit the head

[wild shadow]

does he send out the kill order regardless of what happens?

[wispy ember]

welp its different for everyone,i feel more mobility in light

[wild shadow]

or does he only give out the kill order when alerted

[shy tulip]

No, only if you give him time to

[potent stratus]

Not if you arrest him quick enough

[stone bay]

How good is pepper spray? I've never used that one

[rocky plover]

Yea I like using either light steel front only or light ceramic front and back

[wispy ember]

after latest updates better use taser imo

[wild shadow]

so the entire mission hinges on how fast you can find him

[scarlet flax]

It’s true. Taser, flash, beanbag are probably the best tools for S Ranking.

[rocky plover]

And csgas id say

[wispy ember]

same pick,light armour is well balanced

[rocky plover]

And even stingers since technically they are slightly better than flashbangs but I guess both good

[wispy ember]

50 cs nades will rock

[scarlet flax]

Yes it’s true. Also I think if his henchmen spot you and get away they’ll find him, speeding up the kill order. Sometimes we would play the level for like 10 minutes creeping around and nothing would happen and other times people would start getting shot after like 3 minutes.

[scarlet flax]

I guess stingers have more range too.

[rocky plover]

Yes slightly more and stun for slightly longer

[wild shadow]

zamn

[potent stratus]

Beanbag just works faster, the only upside of pepperball is that you really have to go out of your way to kill someone - but pepperball also affects you if you don't have a gas mask, and suspects sometimest just straight up ignore it, you have to dump an entire mag for them to give up. Best less lethal option is the taser, but it has really low ammo. If you really want to go less lethal then go with beanbag, as it's most effective.

But if you really don't want to go less lethal but still want that evidence, then get No Mercy For Terrorists mod. It makes it so you can kill suspects, and as long as you follow the RoE and don't screw up, you should get an S rank

[rocky plover]

But if there are obstacles in the way it works worse than a flashbangs would, so it all depends on the environment

[stone bay]

Best place for mods still nexus?

[wispy ember]

and cs nades: gonna fuckup everyone behind walls ,covers and floors

[scarlet flax]

Yes but meth heads don’t care. They cover their eyes and run away

[potent stratus]

Yeah, installation is extremely easy tho. Just dump the .pak file into "content/paks/mods", if you don't have the mods folder just create it

[rocky plover]

Yea op af

[wispy ember]

crackheads on their way to spot a pixel of swat unit on the second floor while being in dark zone

[potent stratus]

Mod.io integration still doesn't work well, you'd have to download mods manually and install them the same as with Nexus

[stable kernel]

It seems fixed

Albeit very few updated mods so far

[potent stratus]

Most people are used to Nexus by now anyway

[shy tulip]

You underestimate too things

Laziness and download caps

[copper flint]

Ready or Not

[wispy ember]

not ready 🗣️

[pliant quarry]

Two things
HK51 is now my favorite flamethrower
New TOC sounds like fucking HUNK from resident evil and i love it

[strange depot]

2 armorer traits + 2 nutritionists turn your swat team into juggernauts. It’s a fun but not ideal combo 😂

[humble sail]

That’s ass, did you have C2 and a Mirrorgun? It was a little buggy when I was trying to place the C2 and the mirror gun

[past sundial]

Is anybody else controls not registering correctly? Anytime I turn flash light/lasers with TMP2 button, I somehow reload too. Is this a glitch or what?

Also, this is on default controls. I've not changed anything.

[scarlet flax]

Sooooooo true. Hate S Ranking Meth levels

[chrome tide]

dude the island mission is lowk hard

[ashen adder]

When will balaclavas be added to single player? People have been asking for them to be accessible in single player for months but void interactive have not addressed this issue ever since.

[patent drift]

Hey it's been a while since I played the game, and as of since September to today, has there been any AI improvements? I just wanted to hear from the community's opinion on it.

[shy tulip]

I don't think balaclavas for sp should be a priority tbh, maybe let players turn the gang in quick play into balaclava wearers, but I don't see the rush for Judge when the game has no mirrors

[shy tulip]

You can view the patch notes for this updates major changes

[patent drift]

I wanted to listen to what other members of the community thought about it

[ashen adder]

I agree that it shouldn't be a priority but I would hope that it's somewhere on the to-do list

[opal basin]

they are in singleplayer, only in quick play not commander.

[stone bay]

Do adding mods in to the game mess with anything at all?

[shy tulip]

Depends on the mods

[stone bay]

Dang I shoulda been more specific here mb. Does it disable any of the vanilla elements of the game

[shy tulip]

No, none at all

[prime wing]

yeah not a priority from what we know. ^ What sinner said. Too many heads to go through with their current system. The way they have layed out their customization, its gonna be quite the task for single player.

[shy tulip]

yeahh, the issue with balaclavas is that they just don't slap them onto a character. They have to be sculpted and then setup for lip sync

[prime wing]

even more when gear folks are like, 2-4, no more

i think

the rest probably outsourced

gerard is the key man on those

[opal basin]

thing about balaclavas is we have the models we need, the face shape doesnt matter with balaclavas since its not seen anyways. only thing that matters is skin color and we already have white and black skin ones in multiplayer.

[proven blade]

Does anyone have the VBSS uniform I don’t see any photos of it

[shy tulip]

I believe it is on the store page

[wraith arrow]

i got S rank in thank you, come again... without shooting?

[shy tulip]

That's usually how S ranks go

[wraith arrow]

Don't shoot anyone, seriously, not even a taser, everyone surrendered

[wraith arrow]

I didn't have to shoot ANYTHING and everyone surrendered

[timid fiber]

I thought mods would make it where you don't unlock the cosmetics? Unless I'm wrong? If so, I'm downloading that mod lol cause these S ranks have been such a pain

[stone bay]

I tried it out on another map, the game marks it as an "Unofficial Score", we can assume from there ig

Im just trying to S the port lol

[cursive minnow]

Mods only make the score unofficial as said they do not prevent you from being able to get achievements or the ability to unlock cosmetics.

[stone bay]

How do I fully delete mods? I just deleted the one I tried out (Nexus method) but its still saying there's a mod detected

Or is the only way to use the launch parameter that pops up on steam

[shy tulip]

#❓modding-faq

[stone bay]

Oh dang mb

[vale mason]

Did they get Lee from twdg to voice the random bickering or something

[wraith arrow]

bug civ bruuuuuuh

i have to kill the last civ tho complete the mission (iroman mode)

[red hull]

why are my NVGs flashing green and white

[covert aurora]

#❗known-issues-and-fixes

[worthy agate]

The new DLC is awesome. The maps are really fun, and I absolutely love the new guns, especially the m14 and g3. The ROE feels a little too strict though. A guy was pointing a shotgun at my face after I shouted at him, then I got dinged for shooting him. A couple of ROE sandbox settings for multiplayer and free play would be nice for being able to run and gun with friends without having get dinged for shooting terrorists

[lunar summit]

how do i use the flightsuit?

i bought the DLC

[shy tulip]

#❗known-issues-and-fixes

[grave helm]

How come regardless of if I chose the green phosphorus or white phosphorus for NVGs it always shows as green for me when I use it?

[covert aurora]

it's known issue/bug if your playing multiplayer only the host choose, you need to make your own lobby and select it

[grave helm]

Ah ty

[hollow veldt]

thats lame that they added back no officer deaths for S rank

[grave crown]

is there working face mask mod?

[errant musk]

Konni group mod

Bring a G3 for CQB is the best thing I have ever done

[gilded oar]

I don't get it

why can't you chose what type of situation you want to do in quick play

I really can't save all the hostages in mirage

[hollow veldt]

anyone done the big shell specialist achievement and got any tips?

[gilded oar]

Idk

but do you got any idea where Sa'id the emirate spawns?

so I can take me him out before he gives the order to kill all the hostages

[hollow veldt]

the spawns are random as far as im aware just be quick and hope you find him early

[gilded oar]

dang it

I miss being able to choose the situation on a mission

I get it for commander mode but for quick play? that is just stupid

[wet belfry]

wait was the therapy stuff removed? or moved to a different place

[gilded oar]

no its still in commander mode

I think

[wet belfry]

i dont see it in the atak

[gilded oar]

but it has to be

[gilded oar]

what?

what you mean you can't see i

[wet belfry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921528178789474314/1316647592339177473/image.png?ex=675bcf20&is=675a7da0&hm=4697ef12f5cdcce0d2be3625e02aca7b743634945e507594a79187723d93ce32&=&width=1131&height=636

[gilded oar]

"it"

[wet belfry]

the tab isnt there

[shy tulip]

You're not in commander mode then

[wet belfry]

i am though

i just started a new game and just unlocked the streamer map

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message see

[gilded oar]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-12590547506290924252

[wet belfry]

das me rn

is my save just broken or smth? i started it not even 10 mins ago

and cleared mods/save data just before that

[shy tulip]

Double check that you are in commander to be safe

As in exit out and back in

[wet belfry]

bruh ok i wasnt even tho i selected new game
and it created a new file too

my 5 mins on gas will never be gotten back

[shy tulip]

Was probably quick play

[wet belfry]

ty tho lol i shouldve tried that first

[wet belfry]

i clicked new game tho and did the tutorial n stuff 🤷‍♂️
shouldnt you have all maps in quick play?

[shy tulip]

No, you have to unlock them the same as commander, except that maps you beat in commander and coop permanently unlock in quick play

[wet belfry]

ohh they changed that okay sry i havent played ron in a good while

[lime widget]

I just noticed that the main suspect in a lethal obsession has his weiner and balls out

[modest bear]

Are they going to add back the different officers? Judge is alright, but a little diversity like we had before the cosmetic overhaul wouldn't hurt

[hollow veldt]

man some suspects just refuse to get down post update

[umbral oar]

maybe they have anxiety

[civic adder]

What does the keycard on leviathan do

[lost inlet]

Why did you stare so intensely at his groin?

[hollow veldt]

you dont?

[lost inlet]

No, someone told me about it

[modest bear]

Ron team I am BEGGING you on my KNEES PLEASE let us skip the point tally animation at the end of every mission. It takes way too long, especially when you want to retry a mission

also please add a "retry" button to said screen

[shy tulip]

In modes* where you can restart you can hit esc and restart, half sure

[modest bear]

in the base game

[gilded oar]

yes Genard is a crazy man after retiring/leaving the USIA

thats why he doesn't wear pants

[modest bear]

You know what would be funny as hell?

[gilded oar]

yes?

[modest bear]

Since the NPCs in Sullivan's Slope are all bona fide insane, what if after you've arrested or killed all but one of them the last one goes full kamikaze

If the two of you are on two sides of a trapped door, he'll open it, killing both you and him in the process and making you fail the mission

[gilded oar]

that would certainly be interesting

OMG Ali playing bo6?

[modest bear]

?

[gilded oar]

Ali AI programer at void

[modest bear]

ah

[gilded oar]

okay I think I am overreacting I apologize in advance

[modest bear]

?

[gilded oar]

nothing, now forget about this ever happening

https://tenor.com/view/black-gif-14750616623631694307

[lost inlet]

Lmao

[carmine scroll]

Why in gods name is it all of a sudden taking me a taser shot, a full pepper spray and multiple beanbag shots to get one suspect down

I'm about to go insane

[modest bear]

what map?

[shy tulip]

Probably stun locking em

[carmine scroll]

Valley of The Dolls

[carmine scroll]

wdym?

[fossil bone]

I bought the dlc whats included ? I bought it just now and im still sitting in college so what did i bought with the dlc ?

[shy tulip]

They have stun animations, if you keep tasering, peppering, beanbagging, etc., he won't have the chance to leave the animation to swap over to surrendering

[shy tulip]

Three maps under the Dark Waters tab and the VBSS cosmetic set

[umbral sierra]

Hey looking for some help on bugged achivment got the watch for the hermit but did not get either of the two iornman mode achivments the world, the hermit? trying to figure out if there bugged

or if the dlc is required for them

[shy tulip]

The Hermit is a basegame achievement, it does not rely on the DLCs

There are probably guides on Steam

[carmine scroll]

I take pauses in between every attempt to make them surrender with non lethal equipment and my gameplay just consists of "GET DOWN" "I'm not throwing everything I have away" "DOWN ON YOUR KNEES" "Not me" "LET ME SEE THOSE HANDS" "DROP THE WEAPON AND PUT YOUR HANDS UP" and every other yell for compliance voiceline. After a short unskippable dialogue cutscene with the suspect I go back to using non lethal equipment to try to make them surrender and they don't.

[red hull]

What's the biggest base game map

[umbral sierra]

I have completed it they just have not unlocked, got the ingame cosmetic watch that gose with it

[carmine scroll]

It's a cycle that never ends

[jolly verge]

If you got watch but not both achievements for ironman you need replay port hokan and get at least C grade

[umbral sierra]

Ok thats good to know just the port or the others as well I think replse I got low grade on

[jolly verge]

Only port hokan

Same thing with other achievements like way out west or the hanged man

[umbral sierra]

O anyone geting the ai freeze on supsects where they permintly wont surender and just stand still talking

[carmine scroll]

I do too, for me either they take like a whole year to surrender or just stay standing bugged and don't do anything

[umbral sierra]

Like going full nonleathel on first of the new dlc and had one almost each attempt just stand still refusing

I used tasers, beating them nothing worked

like 30 miniutes trying to get the ai to do somthing

[compact sequoia]

it seems to happen if you arrest cancel

[umbral sierra]

had to push him in to a door to blow open with c2 to kill him

[warped cave]

I had that happen to me too, I got so sick of it i shot them in the head with a breaching shotgun (I can't spell today)

[carmine scroll]

It's been happening to me every single time, I haven't played the game that much since the a bit of a while after the home invasion dlc's release and I don't remember the suspects being this stubborn

[warped cave]

It happened to me once, i posted clips in #🎬ron-clips-and-media

[umbral sierra]

Also anyone having noticed ai team killing civis more now in this update even with one being a vetren like Im noting them taking hostiges as humman sheilds and my ai just shooting the civ first every time

[crude prism]

a lot of the new surrender animations are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow, they look good, but fuck man I can't spend 30 seconds waiting for each person to give up and also complete missions in less than 1 millennia

[warped cave]

i just hit them so they get down faster

[carmine scroll]

Another thing is for some reason they point their gun at you with both hands when they do the slow surrender animations and I shoot them but get unauthorized use of force

[crude prism]

hit suspect with more nonlethal

slow surrender animation restarts

[warped cave]

I don't know if this is the case, but doesn't they execution order not go through whenever you arrest Sah'd

Because I arrested Sah'd but someone killed a civilian not long after.

[noble pasture]

I got the Big Shell achievement. It was so annoying to get

Most of the times I did get 2 suspects to spawn swat AI either killed one or they started the slow surrender

Got hit with -150 for killing a slow surrendering enemy at 30 meters

[warped cave]

Isn't it a 1 shot 2 kill achievement

or am i wrong

[noble pasture]

2 suspects 2 headshots

[warped cave]

within 30 seconds, right?

[noble pasture]

30 meters

[warped cave]

oh

[noble pasture]

"Land 2 headshots on 2 different suspects at atleast 30 meters"

[warped cave]

oh

[umbral sierra]

also anyone geting ai team geting stuck on conors and pathing breaks?

[fossil bone]

Did they add New wapons with the doc aswell?

[umbral sierra]

Im having that a lot at the port all of a suden like in the shiping part of the map and on the boxs near cornors on the map

[balmy moth]

yeah this is defo a thing its especially worse on some maps than others I defo cant wait for a swat AI update cuz eversince home invasion I feel like they havent been right

[gilded oar]

yeah SWAT AI changes in 1.0 were pretty good but their combat was still barebones and overall their AI has been worse

[balmy moth]

I especially need a shield buff for AI the fact that my shield man is usually 1st to die just because he decides to full sprint into a guy unloading a 18round mag and somehow not killing him lol

[balmy moth]

Honestly for me after 1.0 I was loving the swat AI I genuinely wasnt having like any problems except for sum minor ones but after home invasion I feel like I have the AI that ppl have been complaning about

[gilded oar]

SWAT AI really need another overhaul or a patch to fix major problems of them and maybe again another overhaul to improvement past 1.0 SWAT AI overhaul features and finally make their combat better instead of charging head on and standing mindlessly.

[noble pasture]

So consoles who play RoN get aimbot?

[gilded oar]

that would be the Suspects

[noble pasture]

Can't without tweaking suspect AI

[warped cave]

How'd you get it done?

[hollow veldt]

man is it just me or do bleeds happen all the time now

[gilded oar]

yes suspect AI too

[warped cave]

using an M14 or.

[noble pasture]

By violating RoE

[noble pasture]

Spawn heli on Oil Rig and restart until you have 2 suspects

[gilded oar]

"TOC to entry team, STOP VIOLATIG YOUR ROE"

[noble pasture]

Suspects in this game dont hear past 10 meters, its their tinitus I tell you

[gilded oar]

yeah.....

[noble pasture]

Any gun with a x4 scope works

[jade pagoda]

Havent played this game in like 6 months in which it was 'good' but goddayum this is a friggen blast! Just shot 2 civvies in 1st mission Gas Station because Suspects had grabbed them while still shooting at me - didnt know that was a thing. only thing id like is a little less suppression blur in firefights as id really like to see my area clearly -the bullets and richochets etc are enough to keep me suppressd -dont need the overdone visual halo. Also, id like to see suspects really move from cover to cover more but overall its great. Also the really slow burn surrenders -i thought the guy was cracked out on bath salts the way he slowly lowered to the ground like a zombie

[gilded oar]

yeah the game for now is pretty good except the Suspect AI which is still kinda broken and unrealistic but I hope they finally fix it in an update

[warped cave]

Is there a way to restart a match in singleplayer, i forgot.

[gilded oar]

yes

just open the menu which pauses in single player and you will see restart

also works for online too

[warped cave]

I only see exit

options, and resume

[shy tulip]

Commander mode does not let you restart

[warped cave]

oh

[shy tulip]

without returning to HQ I mean.

[umbral sierra]

It needs a restart option

[warped cave]

Yeah, I use Commander mode

What is quick play

I've never played it.

[gilded oar]

it lets you play any main unlocked map

maps that you have played either in commander or in quick play it self

[shy tulip]

There are consequences for your actions in commander that would mean nothing (more than they already don't) with a restart button

[shy tulip]

You can also unlock all maps in quick play

it is the casual (SP) mode

[gilded oar]

yes I know that

[gilded oar]

no

[ripe carbon]

Has anyone else been getting a glitch where when you arrest a suspect they just get back up and don’t go down and it doesn’t count as taking arresting them so you have to kill them if you want the mission to end?

[gilded oar]

not yet for me

[ripe carbon]

It happened in my non lethal runs. I think it’s probably because of the update

[jolly verge]

Dont cancel arrest

[gilded oar]

how do you even cancel arrest?

[jolly verge]

that will break ai

[ripe carbon]

Wait, you can cancel an arrest?

[jolly verge]

yes, by moving

[gilded oar]

yes they added it as a feature

[ripe carbon]

Is that like, new lmao. I feel like I was always stuck in it.

Oh okay thanks guys

[hollow veldt]

why does it take like 5 beanbags for someone to give up now its absurd 😭

[gilded oar]

Update

[warped cave]

I swear, NPCs only spawn and shoot at you from far away when you're not trying to get an achievement

[tiny quail]

they now dont try to gun you down 90% of the time with the downside being they eat beanbags for breakfast

[warped cave]

Just my luck 😭

[gilded oar]

just use paintballs

[hollow veldt]

beanbag is meta for S rank always has been

doesnt address the fact that both civvies and suspects never give up

[gilded oar]

ok makes sense

so now doing S ranks on any map is harder?

[hollow veldt]

sorta but not really, just more frustrating than anything cause the AI somehow got worse

[velvet kettle]

Boat mission might as well be mass shooting at this point

[gilded oar]

man I wanted them to fix and improve the AI not break them

[warped cave]

They didn't really get worse, they just got smarter and more advanced (advanced in a weirder way)

[velvet kettle]

Bruh I still have officers that go the complete fuck wrong way when given "move and clear"

[warped cave]

Like when they're shot they'll call over other suspects for assistance

[gilded oar]

They don't even take cover anymore or hide just shoot and charge

[warped cave]

they switch over to secondaries

Eh

[gilded oar]

I kinda like it

[warped cave]

Yeah

I like things being more challenging.

[gilded oar]

but I want them to take cover more and hide not charge straight up

[hollow veldt]

definitely the biggest problem with this game, the AI is always 1 step forwards 2 steps backwards with every update

[gilded oar]

yeah

[warped cave]

ehh

Coding is extremely hard, especially for the things the devs want the AI to do

[gilded oar]

well gonna go play the mirage at sea and try to complete it without civs getting killed. Firs priority secure that stupid ass emirate

[warped cave]

He usually spawns at above one of the spawn decks

[gilded oar]

so he won't order killing of hostages

[gilded oar]

yes sinner told me that

[warped cave]

i think, thats where i've found him most\

Oh

[velvet kettle]

My ass thought we could cut power in the engine room or some shit

[gilded oar]

probably be added in 2077

[velvet kettle]

Lmao if they can complete half the shit proposed

[gilded oar]

they actuall didn't propose power cutting as it would require them to like remake all the maps lighting for power cutting

but they can just do that for like 2 to 3 maps

basically all the night ones

[velvet kettle]

Shooting suspect in hand to disarm 👎

Smacking the fuck out them to get to drop weapons 👍

Also mirage at sea suspects hesitant asf to surrender to the point it's comical

[gilded oar]

just shoot the hand with a shotgun and it will disarm it but will result in serious condition.

[velvet kettle]

I can easily run up to them and hit them when they are hesitating slow ahh reaction time

I guess my strat is working: kill all suspects on sight

That unauthorized force penality lower than civilian killed

[errant musk]

Hmm is there anyway to make your swat AI to not use full auto fluently

[cloud python]

is it me or is the recoil mixed up between the G3 rifles?

[twin crystal]

I mean the GA51 does have a shorter barrel

[raven schooner]

Anyone know how to do Sleeper agent on 3 Letter Triad

[hollow veldt]

apparently you can cheese it by just using already arrested suspects and putting them in one place

[raven schooner]

How does that work, word for word?

Could it be nonlethal or only Lethal?

[solemn heron]

If you lead a bunch of suspects who are in the surrender position by telling them to follow you before cuffing them you could bring them to one area and cuff them all at once i imagine

[raven schooner]

Ohh

But what if the suspect bugs and they render themselves as not arrestable.

[solemn heron]

shoot them i guess idk

[raven schooner]

And this has to be done within 15 seconds?

[solemn heron]

15 seconds consecutively, not in one time span

[raven schooner]

Gotcha

I think S rank separate from the

[solemn heron]

yeah, cuz you can just incap the suspect if they can't be arrested since that also counts towards it

[raven schooner]

Thank you

Would you be able to help or busy?

[solemn heron]

I can try but I think it would be easier to do it in commander mode. Get 3 Negotiators and 1 intimadator on a squad and it is comically easy to get suspects to give up. I have S ranked DLC missions with lethal kit by sheer accident.

[raven schooner]

Mm.

I’m in us 8 with 3 members

[velvet kettle]

Bruh what kind of streaming site allowing UPF's streams

[shy tulip]

tis all about the clicks

[bronze willow]

having the hardest time finding the last suspect on Leviathan
still cant bring order to chaos and we've constantly kept looking

helicopter isnt helping either just calling out someone we already secured

nvm finally found her

[jagged wing]

Is it a bug that the AI keep changing their weapons to lethal in quick play

I wanna do S rank solo with the AI team but there's always one guy with lethal

[velvet kettle]

UPF logic: ah yes let's go after the working class Americans I'm sure they're gonna join our side!

[jagged wing]

If you don't exist maybe the rich gonna shake their boots! That'll show them!

[amber hearth]

Whats their manifesto

[errant musk]

Just notice that uh-60 has lspd mark on it

[amber dock]

And someone said we borrowed it…

[naive pagoda]

hey guys, out of curiosity, for the bio weapon canister, is there anything happen if we leave it unstable / open without closing for a while

[amber dock]

Don’t think so

[tacit gull]

forensics is gonna have a bad day

[amber dock]

Who? Oh them, eh who cares

[tacit gull]

that's what you get for not picking up the weapons you lazy pieces of shit

[noble pasture]

Wear your gloves, swat fingerprints on suspect weapons gives forensics a bad time to sort it out

[tacit gull]

fuck em

[wise beacon]

Hello, I'm having so much trouble on the greased palms map >< Do you have any tips please? I always fail inside

[noble pasture]

Tried bringing a shield?

[wise beacon]

for me or the bot ?

[noble pasture]

You if you are good, bot if you want them to take charge in clearing angles

[wise beacon]

2 of my teams have shields

I'm going to remove the shotguns
do you have any gun models to recommend?

[noble pasture]

Try LVAR

[wise beacon]

with attachments ?

[amber dock]

@tacit gull someone looking for you

[stone bay]

live gratr reaction

[amber dock]

You gonna move?

[stone bay]

Does anyone have that video

Please be so kind and send it to me, thank you kindly

[nimble birch]

I need someone to lore dump me about Judge cause in #🪹the-sepulchre-arg I am ever confused. Is he a loyal husband with three kids or is that man getting around behind his wife’s back

[noble pasture]

Doesn't matter

[covert aurora]

your in my way sir

[raven schooner]

Well that was depressing (A+) but can’t find the last weapon on 3 letter triad 🤦 😭

Definitely needing some fix or color change for weapon highlight (yellow probably blends too well with green) or phasing through floors.

[gray mantle]

this happened to me yesterday, I had an M45A1 clip inside of the stairs and I couldn't get it

one of my officers (RIP shield man) got incapacitated but I still got an A

[wispy ember]

need you to slide over

[raven schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-anime-anime-girl-black-gif-6512562914372974115

[gray mantle]

you gonna move?

[wispy ember]

hey, youre in my spot

[raven schooner]

Mm I’ll sleep through it if I can

[gray mantle]

you know what would be funny as hell for April fools

all the NPCs collectively say "and you say WE'RE bad" every time you die in commander mode

[covert aurora]

🤣

[raven schooner]

Opposite quote “skill issue”

Some dark souls ahh roast “you died”

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-18865199

[gray mantle]

I give dark waters a 8.5/10

very good maps, enjoyed all of them gameplay-wise even if they were a bit tedious the first time around. Elysian wasn't amazing and I feel like leviathan could have used more tense music similar to the one in the trailer

[raven schooner]

They need to fix the bugs like cancelling arrests that makes suspects stuck in place & they can’t shoot nor surrender. They just respond with I’m not gonna do that (Nuh Uh)

Same for guns phasing through the floor or ending up thrown to near impossible to find positions

[wispy ember]

i like oilrig ost because it got 2 beats that are using machinery sound,it fits so well in drill room and its not a usual step for theme,but yeah the tense parts are not so long
and same opinion on elysian,i felt like i was playing penthouse before release, it's so cracked

[muted radish]

Hi everyone!
Has anybody got the "Speeper Agent" achievment already?

[wispy ember]

yeah someone got it

[raven schooner]

I know the method but i get rest or it’d be too depress

Sad…..

[gray mantle]

guns aren't terribly hard to find on most maps if you have the yellow outline toggled in the settings with the exception of Elysian and maybe some other maps I don't remember

but yeah phasing through the walls is REALLY annoying

[muted radish]

I tried several times and it's like they are spawning in the different ends of the map...

[gray mantle]

I only played the map twice but I imagine the best strat is to spawn at the docks on multiplsyer and split up between the top and bottom floor

[noble pasture]

Is taser good enough to take people alive?

[wispy ember]

the loading dock is the best deployment position imo even in solo or commander, you can walk outside safely,they can snipe you from far

[noble pasture]

Also how many cartridges to carry?

[wispy ember]

in cqb only,plus if you are in face to face situation and know positions

[gray mantle]

yeah i think it's usually a one-shot, sometimes two. You have 3 batteries with 3 shots each, so 6 total

[grave fractal]

In the replay mode, Does the splines feature work?

[wispy ember]

1 taser in slot - 4 cartridges i think

[gray mantle]

its 3

[wispy ember]

for me its enough

[wispy ember]

oh my bad

[wispy ember]

its removed,maybe temporarily

[grave fractal]

Okay thank you

[tender breach]

I'm trying to do B grade on hide and seek, I'm going non-lethal, but sometimes I see a suspect run around a corner and the suspects takes a hostage and instantly kills it... how do I do this mission well, killing the suspects only gets a C

[molten rapids]

Holy shit this game is ass... AGAIN. Why are bad guys taking 6-7 shots of AP point blank to the vest when I get crippled or killed in 3-4? This is BS...

[gray mantle]

what gun u using

[molten rapids]

GA416

[gray mantle]

actually why did I even ask i only ever used the ARN-180 and the G3A3 I don't remember many others 😭

[molten rapids]

LOL ARN is so good

[wispy ember]

they are not usually taking hostages here,even though i never saw it on port,if you know suspect position better use nades,flashbangs wont really work in big locations,stingers and cs can help

[molten rapids]

MPX is one of my favourites but since this is a boat mission, I wanted to go SEAL themed

[warm lava]

For the DLC content, does everyone have to own it to play it or can I host it for someone who does not have it?

[wispy ember]

only host needs it

[molten rapids]

Lowkey fucked the entire game though... gonna wait a week for mods to fix VOIDs mess, like they've been doing since 1.0

[jolly verge]

Because you miss/hit arms with AP and wearing steel plates instead of ceramic?

[molten rapids]

Love the new AI though

[molten rapids]

Uh, no. Five metres or less in the internal hallways of the new boat mission (first one, forget the name) and six rounds direct to the chest. AP 5.56, semi-auto.

And I am wearing Ceramic... steel is too slow

[jolly verge]

it's always 2 shots to the chest, so you miss/hit arms

[molten rapids]

Have done for pretty much the entire past year

[warm lava]

YES!!!!!!

[molten rapids]

Ah, I see. You're one of the idiot "git gud" crowd. Noted!

[jolly verge]

Nope, it's just game fact

[gray mantle]

Run supernova 😉

[molten rapids]

Would you like me to fucking screenshare, or do you want to stop being a dick?

[abstract fable]

is anyone else getting these really long black loading screens when loading into a lobby on this ne update

[gray mantle]

they've always been long for me

[molten rapids]

Hell no lol, I'm ass with shotguns for whatever reason unless running buckshot, which is useless against armour unless headshot... which I wanna avoid because the new AI is annoyingly good and makes it legit hard for me to tell civ from war crime victim- errr I mean, hostile

[wise beacon]

@noble pasturemission succed !

[gray mantle]

yeah that was a joke

no one runs shotguns unless its the beanbag or a COD breach-and-clear run

[lost inlet]

you could run the B1301 and aim for their limbs

[molten rapids]

Nah, I take B1301 or M1014 on missions with non-armoured baddies sometimes

Usually when I'm playing point

[lost inlet]

hell, even aim for their upper torso since that's where the arms will be most of the time

[molten rapids]

Fucked if they have a hostage/a civilian near them

[jolly verge]

Why?

[molten rapids]

Can't take the risk, especially on this new boat mission. Hella cramped and the AI is wickedly good at hiding weapons now

[noble pasture]

Nice

[lost inlet]

buckshot in this game is very accurate so you don't have to worry about it

unless you meant body shield civilian near type

[molten rapids]

Yes, hostage/bodyshield and I still sometimes fuck up the hitbox on that with my main rifle

Bodyshots maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Can't fight if your vital organs are falling out 😆

[gray mantle]

I must go good bye gang

[lost inlet]

later

[lime widget]

Is it gay for a straight man to stare at a conspiracy theorists weiner

[noble pasture]

Yes. It's small too

[vast folio]

After the DLC release, I've noticed substantially fewer run-and-gun rambo suspects. Nice!

[lime widget]

The dlc is so good

[noble pasture]

They try to rally and use squad tactics

[lime widget]

I discovered how good the taser is

I was tweaking last night cuz I was trying to get s rank on lethal obsession with my brother and he kept throwing

[tiny quail]

when in doubt tase em

[lime widget]

He somehow killed a suspect with a beanbag shotgun

[noble pasture]

Lock pick gun is so good, I don't know why people diss it?

[noble pasture]

Headshot, spine did a twist and break

[lost inlet]

"that make you very fucking gay"

[lime widget]

NO IT DOESNT

[rocky plover]

It's quite good on the yacht map, so many locked doors and it's quiet, buys you time before you make your presence known to the enemy

[molten rapids]

Takes up an important slot... I've never once in nearly two years playing heard of a standard pick alerting any enemies. The extra time is really a non-factor unless you're under fire, and if you are, picking a lock really shouldn't be a priority

[lost inlet]

yuh huh!

[noble pasture]

Standard pick is slow

[lime widget]

IM NOT GAY HIS WEINER IS JUST THERE FOR THE LOOKING

[lost inlet]

lock pick gun only useful when you can't unlock locked door by default

[noble pasture]

You are, embrace it

[lost inlet]

why do you look at it?

[noble pasture]

Embrace the weiner

Actually don't, Gerard's weiner is small, find a bigger one

[acoustic ridge]

be patient!!!!!

use it if u want but im sticking with multitool

[lost inlet]

last i heard, his meat is the length of a standard 1911 which is 8.5 inch

[gray mantle]

how do I use a shotgun without it being lethal

[noble pasture]

Uhh

Change the shells

Bean bag shotgun is less lethal (don't land headshots) and door breaching shotgun is less lethal on paper

[gray mantle]

are slugs better than buckshot for non-lethality then

[jolly verge]

Nope

[noble pasture]

Bean bag

[gray mantle]

I don't want to use beanbag

I guess I'll jist get that D rating my killing everyone with buckshot 😎

M1216 would go hard if it was added

must go bye

[tough valve]

Is there any reason NOT to take the ballistic mask?

Or the gas mask?

[jolly verge]

None, ballistic mask better compare to default helmet and gasmask only if you use gas/pepper

[tough valve]

Whack. I feel like they should add a speed, or aim speed penalty to the ballistic mask now to incentivize a reason for not taking the ballistic mask

[thorn egret]

Style points

[tough valve]

True

[thorn egret]

I'm usually not wearing my helmet anyway with my current outfit

[noble pasture]

you naughty police officer

[thorn egret]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[sacred roost]

I finished third mission of DLC, kill all suspects, and found the bomb (i think its a bomb) how to defuse this, because if i press F, some thing getting out, and picking faster, i am scared😅

[rocky plover]

nothing just report it

[thorn egret]

Shoot it

[sacred roost]

Thank you

[sacred roost]

Such a great idea

[sacred roost]

I will do it

[tough valve]

Man. I forgot how bad the stupid postal office mission is

[thorn egret]

I've magdumped it, nothing happens :(

[tough valve]

Somehow that mission is harder than the one that has you fighting literal private millitary special forces

[thorn egret]

Just sign the stupid petition, damnit

[vast folio]

I've yet to S-rank it, if I were to redesign it, I'd remove 90% of the clutter plaguing the level. It wouldn't be as bad if there were well defined cover, and the AI didn't cheat by spying you through objects.

[tough valve]

Ahhh... That's the stuff.

This can't be good for me, but I feel great

[thorn egret]

Yeah getting shot through some of the grating or plastic containers is BS

[thorn egret]

I know what you're thinking, but I don't even like video games

[tough valve]

Ufhh. Excuse me while I push my entrails back in

[thorn egret]

Man I gotta play Postal 2 again

I never did a full pacifist run, got very close but I stopped playing

[tough valve]

Vince Desi mandates that you play Postal 2 or you're fired!

[thorn egret]

SIR YES SIR
Last I played I discovered the whole Al Qaeda compound and raided it

And then devastated paradise with my new toys from it

[thorn egret]

Should I watch the Postal movie...

[tough valve]

Do it. Sanity is for suckers anyways

[thorn egret]

WOOHOO

[rain zealot]

twisted nerve mission on ironman mode and can not find the last guy for the life of me
when i do search and secure all the ai get stuck

what do i do

[light stag]

If they get stuck it means that the last dude isn't in a surrender position

[rain zealot]

great to know at least

but ive actually searched everywhere

[bitter mason]

are they hiding under a bed or something

[rain zealot]

checked those aswell

[bitter mason]

I've had that happen where they run from one house to the other and hide under a bed
damn

[rain zealot]

is there a way to check if they are under the map or something?

[vast folio]

It might also mean that the last person is behind a locked door

[rain zealot]

ima go break every door then

[cloud python]

nothing like playing like don juan, sadly we don't have the masks for a good HLM larp lol

[rain zealot]

safe to say i have kicked every door

[sacred roost]

First and second is harder

[tough valve]

What is it with the AI and over extending when you use the move and clear command.

I did move and clear, and red team went down the fucking staircase into a massive fucking kill room on the hotel map and got themselves fucked up like a bunch of clowns. Super fucking stupid

How have they NOT fixed that yet. I remember that being an issue for ages since 1.0

They got a hostage killed, because they went down and one of the suspects took a hostage, one of them died and they failed me the entire run because they decided that "Oh looky. This staircase is a GREAT idea to run down with no support, into a big fuck off room full of bad guys and the main congregation of suspects"

Sorry for whining, but that's super frustrating and makes the whole move and clear command a complete liability, which is why I never use it and just take point every time into every room

I wanted them to just clear the dang hallway, not go running down an entire floor when there was an entire hallway to clear into a hot zone

[sacred roost]

Use move and clear with two different commands, only if you know, that enter in the next room is connecting

[sacred roost]

Specially use flashbang and C2

[tough valve]

It wasn't a doorway, it was just a connecting hallway I went into

[stone bay]

chat is dark waters worth

[sacred roost]

For another situation ise gold team, they cant make mistakes

[tough valve]

I did use gold team. Blue team went and cleared the hallway like they were supposed to. Red team chose to go down the spiral staircase on Hotel and ruin my entire run

[lime widget]

Twisted nerve sucks imo

[rain zealot]

its so cool

and so buggy

[lime widget]

I was arresting him on the stairs and it happened to be right in front of me

[tough valve]

I'd say so. Dark Waters contains easily the best missions in the entire game

and a goated cosmetic set

[lost inlet]

typical

tsk...tsk...

[lime widget]

IM NOT GAY!!! I WAS ARRESTING HIM AND I HAPPENED TO NOTICE AND SCREENSHOT HIS WEINER IT WAS RIGHT THERE

I DIDNT STARE AT IT LONGER THAN 5 MIN

[tough valve]

The missions feel well designed and laid out. Not too big. Not too small. Complicated enough to be tactically interesting but not too much to be a nightmare to play. Better suspect AI makes for a better experience.

They basically feel like they took the right lessons from the base game and the first dlc to make a better second dlc

[stone bay]

wait so how many missions? this is like the only thing I want to know abt it before I buy it tbh

[tough valve]

Three missions, Oil Rig, Yacht and an Island Resort

Same size as the first DLC

[lost inlet]

so you stared at it for almost 5 minutes

[lime widget]

You can’t say you didn’t hop on the game to check if it was true

[lost inlet]

i rarely play that map cause i don't want my PC to melts

[lime widget]

It’s a small map does it lag you that much?

[lost inlet]

the forest, the textures, the details

and i also play that map to test the 12 ga slug to see if how powerful it is

[idle sierra]

tf am I supposed to clear Elephant? I'm rushing like a mofo, soft clearing rooms, no nades just raw dogging it, battering ram, having AI clear entire hallways. But I always only make it through 1/3rd of the school before one of the hostages gets popped. Is it because I wasn't using a suppressor, or is it because the people who made this want me to take a visit to the cuckoo bin?

[icy prism]

is there some trick to tracking down the shooters in elephant before they can kill hostages? feels as if i am always just that bit too slow...

[cloud python]

Mostly RNG it seems or having a buddy tag along and helping you out, me and my wife got an A with a roughly 8 min timer because we bum rushed it

[icy prism]

pity, i had hoped that there was like some predictable enemy spawning that can be used... thanks a lot anyway

[rocky plover]

suspects already start stressed there so suppressors won't make a difference, you just need to be fast, usually 2 suspects on green side (1 up, 1 down), and another 2 suspects on blue side

[rocky plover]

if you play it enough, their spawns are quite easy to get used to

[icy prism]

but what about travel time from one side to the other? afaik you cant really have the AI clear multiple rooms in sequence to ensure they get the suspects without being there with them, so i always end up with one dead guy on the other side than the one i am on...

(one dead hostage that is)

[cloud python]

another tip is to make sure the area is fully secured before nabbing bombs also bring smokes since they clip through walls

[amber dock]

can anyone verify about sleeper agent, you get it at end of mission or as soon as you fufil the requreiemnts?

[rocky plover]

the building connects from one side to the other so its quite easy to get to and from

[rocky plover]

instant no need to finish

[amber dock]

How certain are you?

[rocky plover]

many already said it multiple times, when they got it

[jolly verge]

What he said is correct, you get it right after last kill

[amber dock]

no need for report?

[jolly verge]

Nope

[rocky plover]

did you do it in SP or MP, last ach that I need and the fucking AI are useless

[jolly verge]

In SP with ai on spawn

[rocky plover]

did you go lethal or you did it the less-lethal way?

[jolly verge]

With new mk17

less lethal would be way too long

[rocky plover]

the problem I'm mainly having is, finding enough suspects xD

[idle sierra]

alright thanks for letting me know about the suppressors. It appears to be impossible right now then. Like I said I've been rushing through, doing soft clears and fast breaches and I can barely even make it half way through the school before the shooters start lore dumping

[rocky plover]

they almost always spawn same spot, you'll get very used to it, also take the 2nd spawn point, its faster

like after about 10-12 suspects, I start to run out of enemies and my 15s window closes.

[idle sierra]

doesn't help knowing the spawns if I cant get to them haha.

i've even been completely bypassing locked rooms

[jolly verge]

Pretty sure you can arrest all suspects alive and execute them after, like big shell specialist

[rocky plover]

what i can also suggest is, use beanbags, flashbags, taser, stingers, flash/stinger launcher, i know gas and pepperballs are also good but they kind of waste time on that map for them to comply

[rocky plover]

yeah someone mentioned that, but there is also the problem with AI killing you once you start doing that, which happened when I did big shell lol

[jolly verge]

Hold them on spawn, they will need time to get you

[rocky plover]

also just ignore most of the rooms and civs, take suspects as priority

[rocky plover]

yeah problem is I think that's even harder than just going in full lethal though

[idle sierra]

I have a mod that relaxes ROE so active shooters are free game. So I've been bringing the new battle Rifles. I dont have time to use any accessories besides the breaching ram. I'm literally sprinting down these hallways XD

Sonic couldn't catch me I'm going so fast

[rocky plover]

you still need to restrain 15 suspects lesslethally first, and then you need to kill them without the AI getting to you, I think might aswell going guns and blazing is kind of faster

[rocky plover]

the way I did it is using just flash launcher, 4 shots, 4 suspects easy xD

[scarlet vale]

Yo is the new dlc worth it?

I already bought it and wanna know if i should try speedrunning levels to get to the new ones

[brave lodge]

Good luck on the first mission it's a pain in the ass 😅

[amber dock]

Sleeper agent is fucked, RNG and time

[rocky plover]

yeah, i'm running out of suspects, and them running away doesnt help lol

[scarlet vale]

I will keep that in mind lol

[brave lodge]

Gotta ask the real question. When will we get a 7.62x39 weapon that isn't a tiny Draco looking thing. For example I believe French GIGN use a CZ Bren in 7.62x39 for police purposes. Would be cool to see that. Often I think x39 would be a good round to run but I ain't touching that musty AK variant in game.

[scarlet vale]

Also has anyone else ran into issues with new updates and mods or not

[rocky plover]

yeah we have alot of 5.56x45, 7.62x51, we need more 7.62x39 now or even more pistol calibers such as .22LR, .380 auto, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, etc....

[scarlet vale]

I agree

Would be interesting to see more powerful calibers or even less powerful and less harmful on a suspect

I like trying to keep as many suspects alive and in custody

[amber dock]

If my team is countint the timer correct we should've gotten it but nope

[rocky plover]

@jolly verge also what spawn did you take?

[jolly verge]

Default beach

and starting from left to right

[rocky plover]

then went 2nd floor from right side right?

[jolly verge]

Yeah

[rocky plover]

well if all fails MP will be the option i guess XD

[jolly verge]

But i already get it before going on 2nd floor

[rocky plover]

what? most of them seem to spawn upstairs

[jolly verge]

well there was 7 suspects left after that

on second floor

[rocky plover]

but i guess it also depends where the package spawns too

[brave lodge]

I've played the mission once but I took docks and breached top floor and worked down. Most suspects were immediately beyond the first set of doors on the right of where I spawned if that's of help

[brave lodge]

I didn't open the package on that mission I presume if you do open it you just die right?

[rocky plover]

nothing happens

[paper trout]

Hey question: anybody remember the beta fast food map? Are the devs still planning on making that map a thing or is it scrapped?

[amber dock]

Willing to put together a team to try it?

[rocky plover]

yep i'm gonna go haywire solo

[cloud python]

Here's to hoping we get more "vintage" law enforcement arms such as the Ithaca shotguns or perhaps a 10mm AMT pistol

[rocky plover]

i mean, i think we can get it, just us i mean

[brave lodge]

If you look up GIGN CZ Bren 2 you'll see what I mean. 7.62x39 is used by specialised Police and anti terror units because it has good knockdown power, armour penetration as well as that it tends to tumble trough a target and is less likely to zip straight through a suspect into an innocent. It'd be really cool to see because the rounds already in game. As well as that it'd be cool if we had clear ballistic visors as opposed to just the Ops Core Gunfighter mandible we have in game to act as a ballistic face shield though I'm probably just dreaming.

[heavy marlin]

guys i got a question, are new maps also running kinda ass on your systems too?

i got a 3060ti i got everything on medium but my frames still drop

[queen cloud]

My game has been running better after the new update

Haven't played the new maps though

[scarlet vale]

Ah alright i will look that up and also i personally use for the face shield thing, the ballistic face shield mod.

[queen cloud]

I'd think they're laggy considering they're probably huge

[rocky plover]

i hosted a lobby, can join me through the discord if you want, my steam is listed there