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[warm granite]

like plowing through 1-3 suspects to locate main guy, and hes blown his head off in the tub

[stone bay]

90 percent of IRL SWAT Calloutd

[rocky otter]

the streamer mission could've been so interesting, but they had add the random bitcoin miners in there

[warm granite]

it would still be the objective to find him, but misleading like "arrest this guy" but hes already dead when you start the mission

[stone bay]

The streamer mission could have been a great tutorial mission ngl

[warm granite]

i like the streamer mission since its so crowded, good for testing guns on unarmored biatches

[stone bay]

You raid a house to find no one there and its just this unarmed fatass who unfortunately got swatted by a troll

[warm granite]

very small and compact

[warm granite]

well he did get unfortunately swatted and we go there with the assumption is mom is dead

[stone bay]

Exactly

[warm granite]

i never knew that when it first released, thought he was just a weirdo with cat ear headset

[rocky otter]

I went in to the mission reading the briefing and instantly getting sprayed down by 6 dudes

out of nowhere

[warm granite]

weird, i never have had that happen

[rocky otter]

the AI on release was mad

[warm granite]

i always take the stair entrance and breach miner room or top floor

[stone bay]

The mission could be better if they removed the streamers thugs

[warm granite]

oh i remember man, its better now but still the strafing and wallbangs

[stone bay]

Like all of them

[rocky otter]

I don't think they were even his thugs

they ran the bitcoin farm

[stone bay]

No they didn't, Michael did

[warm granite]

thats about all that i can complain about, just the fucking superhuman xray vision and the superhuman accuracy while strafing

[rocky otter]

really? Where is it mentioned?

[stone bay]

Why else would they be in Michael's house too

[stone bay]

Briefing

[rocky otter]

they aren't in Michaels house

[warm granite]

yeah there are thugs in his house

[stone bay]

Yes they are

[rocky otter]

oh, I guess I forgot

[warm granite]

there are thugs with the hoodies and durags in his apartment

and his moms apartment too

[stone bay]

In the trailer the bitcoin mining apt is completely empty

[warm granite]

i just thought he was associated but not running the bitcoin farm

[rocky otter]

ooh ok

[buoyant cliff]

You got it

[stone bay]

Void likely added the thugs there for gameplay reasons

The thugs were not present when the streamer map was first shown in the trailer

[warm granite]

i didnt even say anything bad bruh literally said thug

[rocky otter]

the whole game has too much shooting for my taste, I would've prefer a bit more smaller more focused missions for the start

instead every mission has to be fully packed with hostiles you can 1 tap without even yelling

[warm granite]

i usually have to yell or have them aim at me first for no negatives

[rocky otter]

the fact that they still don't have working ROE is crazy

[vast folio]

The story delivery in most missions is really... odd. The SWATting mission had potential to be so good, but they had to hamfist bunch of gangsters armed to the teeth in there, despite it making very little sense in the context. Sure bud, there just happened to be a hardcore bitcoin operation in the same apartment complex, and some of the thugs guarding it happened to be visiting the streamer to justify them being there. Oh, also the streamer is a PDF-file.

[stone bay]

I do remember having a Mod that did exactly that, remove the thugs for the streamer mission

[warm granite]

they have to make sudden movements or be aiming a gun at you to kill them

[rocky otter]

I tried with a friend and we could complete many matches in a row without ever yelling ay anyone with a gun

but sometimes it randomly gives a penalty many times in row

[warm granite]

probably because they were aiming at you

[noble pasture]

2 hours and half

[rocky otter]

no, fully unalerted

[warm granite]

thats why because you didnt say anything to them or they didnt shoot at you

if they aim at you, you can fire at them

[vast folio]

The one mission that had IMO good storytelling was the one where the suspects were manufacturing guns (or gun parts?) to pay for medical bills.

[rocky otter]

yeah but like 50 times in a row you can shoot fully unalerted guards

[stone bay]

I mean Michael had a SA case way before the events of the mission

[vast folio]

No PDF-files there.

[stone bay]

Ends Of The Earth

[vast folio]

Ye

[rocky otter]

it's because when you shoot the bullet they get alerted and then die when the bullet hits I think

[warm granite]

it depends on situation, ive been able to play 10 matches in a row and no unauth

[noble pasture]

I desire patch!

[stone bay]

Ends Of The Earth Is honestly just a very sad and tragic mission

[rocky otter]

there's just 0 consistenty to the ROE

when swat 3 and 4 had it figured out years ago

[warm granite]

i guess so but i think its easy to manage

[slender tiger]

What time is the update dropping

[stone bay]

SWAT 4 ROE Is also complete ass tbh

[stone bay]

3 hrs

[warm granite]

if you shoot someone that isnt endangering you or someone elses life, thats unauth but if they are aiming at you or pulling gun up to aim, its free fire

[slender tiger]

Thanks

[rocky otter]

it is, you can yell and then shoot everyone, but it's stupid that you can just murder people minding their own business most of the time without yelling

[vast folio]

The hamfisting of PDF-files and stuff felt like the writers(?) had to justify why the suspect were super evil guys©️ in a bit patronizing way.

[warm granite]

if you yell and they start walking away without aiming, you cant shoot them

[rocky otter]

you can, but not always

[warm granite]

the roe makes sense to me, either be in danger to kill or dont kill

[vast folio]

Also, I know the critique is a bit scathing, I just came out of Sins of the Fathers and accidentally bumped the last suspect too hard to get him incapacitated -> lost S-rank.

[rocky otter]

that's what I'm saying, there is 0 consistency

[warm granite]

ive never been able to shoot someone walking away with a gun down

[rocky otter]

you can shoot a lot more often you think

[warped cave]

2 hours until the dlc!!

[vast folio]

Because he was stuck in a hesitation animation, and I kept pumping beanbags in him 😢

[rocky otter]

I have been able to so many times

[warm granite]

weird

i always get negatives shooting people backing away even with guns

[rocky otter]

we did like a bunch of experimentation with my friend

[jolly verge]

You can shoot suspect in hesitate animation, but only in first 2 seconds

[rocky otter]

and we weren't able to find any situation where the system was fully predictable, thankfully it's unpredictable towards the too forgiving side

[stone bay]

Honestly, I couldn't really care about the ROE; I didn't really have problems with it and if I did it was very rarely. I dunno if I'm just lucky

[warm granite]

once on port hokan, the red hat suspect had no gun and i shot him on accident because an armed suspect was strafing near him and it gave no negatives

[vast folio]

I think this game would have benefitted a lot if it had some smaller maps, and more realistic scenarios. Like Fairfax Residence or the fastfood one in SWAT4

[spare shore]

I am sorry it's probably been discussed a bunch but I am too lazy to find it, when does it release

[rocky otter]

he had a gun in his pocket

[warm granite]

same with the orange coat guy on port, he started dropping to his knees hands up and i popped his head and no negative

[warm granite]

yeah but he wasnt aiming it or anything

he was just standing beside an armed guy and died in crossfire

[winter pendant]

... In 2 hrs?

[rocky otter]

yeah, I suspect that happens because when you shoot he starts the agressive state and then dies when the bullet hits so there's no way to notice it

[warm granite]

and the orange coat guy on port had no gun, just tried to surrender and got popped by me and i got no negative

[shadow tendon]

I think flashing friendlies shouldn’t be punishing

[shadow tendon]

Because to be fair. I also flashed myself

[spare shore]

thanks like i said I was too lazy to try lmfao

[warm granite]

makes sense but what abt orange coat guy

he had no gun and was surrendering

[stone bay]

"Nice throw, knucklehead."
-Fields, I think from SWAT 4

[warm granite]

i shot him while he was getting on his knees and he didnt give me a negative

[rocky otter]

I have no idea, that's the issue

[shadow tendon]

I need to play SWAT 4

[warm granite]

he was suspect but no gun

[winter pendant]

Imma have to reinstall swat 4 just to see if that's a thing, what a good game

[warm granite]

maybe it was sudden movements

[warm granite]

ive shot guards tossing guns on the ground with no negative

since it is a defensive action against quick movement

[rocky otter]

a lot of times you can just murder people who don't do anything and I don't get why

[stone bay]

If you accidentally or intentionally throw a flash at your teammates that Voiceline plays

[warm granite]

probably a lot of timing associated with the roe and certain things can allow you to kill when it shouldnt

thats all i can think of

[rocky otter]

yeah, it's just so odd it's been an issue the entire lifecycle of the game

[warm granite]

idk still my fav game either way

[rocky otter]

yeah it's cool

[warm granite]

fun as a swat sim, mil sim, john wick sim

[shadow tendon]

We should be allowed to kill the shooters in elephant especially if they’ve just killed a civilian

[warm granite]

the mods are cool but kinda op sometimes

[rocky otter]

it's just annoying that half of reddit just ignores it tho and acts like it doesn't exists

[warm granite]

i had a .50 beowulf de and fuck man that thing could blow up people

[warm granite]

sometimes its not noticable

[vast folio]

I was just wondering the RoE stuff too earlier. I think if the suspect raises the barrel of their gun to chest high, they're free game.

[warm granite]

usually the game runs fine for what they say the roe is

[noble pasture]

I want the update

[vast folio]

Even if they aren't actively trying to destroy someone in that moment.

If their gun is lowered, you can't shoot them.

[uneven pike]

what time does the dlc come out?

[rocky otter]

many people follow what they assume the ROE is without actually pushing it, that's ok and that's often the most fun way to play the game, but that doesn't mean they need to act like it doesn't exist

[warm granite]

except for within first 2 seconds of seeing them is what someone said

[rocky otter]

but then sometimes you shoot them right away and then you get a penalty

[warm granite]

i mean i like to play the game just like howd i play any other game, try to have fun and follow the rules of mission

[rocky otter]

so the 2 second rule doesn't work either

[warm granite]

yeah i just wait til they aim and i shoot them

i can usually react fast enough to clear 99% of missions with either no dmg or arms being hit

i finished hospital with all red body once

helmet and face hit by fucking rpd and i lived

[rocky otter]

yeah that's fine but when someone brings up the issue in discord or reddit, people don't need to attack them and act like it doesn't exist

[warm granite]

FUCK YOU ALQAEDA

[rocky otter]

if you like the game, play the game

[civic surge]

vanilla or modded?

[warm granite]

vanilla

it was thru a door the 2nd headshot

so it just harmed my head badly

probably missed vital spot of my face

[stone bay]

Surprised your helmet didn't give you Blunt Force Trauma from being hit with that alone

[warm granite]

oh it did, then i backed up and got hit thru the door after helmet was gone

i was barely alive, whole body red becides upper chest behind vest

[civic surge]

try ai modded youll learn to avoid taking any hits at all

[warm granite]

im waiting til after this dlc to try ai mods

[winter pendant]

I just take off the armor, does the same thing

[civic surge]

9/10 people that play with me piss themselves getting one tapped close range by a shotgun

[warm granite]

id rather have fair dmg than being aimbotted and strafed

[civic surge]

they learn to not peek doors fully

[warm granite]

harder to fight straifing and spraying enemies that can beam ur head through a wall while strafing at the same time

id like if the hardness came from ai tactics

not from them having superhuman abilities

[rocky otter]

if the AI is tuned super aimbotty you no longer can use real life logic to clear rooms, which I personally find lame

[civic surge]

idk what mods you use but the ai mod i use doesnt aimbot through walls theyre just more accurate and well prepaired

[stone bay]

Whats up with people getting wall shotted, Is it really that much of a problem for you all

[warm granite]

im talking about vanilla ai

they straf and aimbot through walls

[rocky otter]

I remember brista cove had that happen a lot

[warm granite]

hardest part of the ai in vanilla currently, and is something almost every ai mod fixes

but makes them harder tactic wise

[civic surge]

weird ive never had that happen in vanilla to me

[warm granite]

i was on hospital and got prefired wallbanged by an enemy

[civic surge]

if anything vanilla ai is just too dumb

[stone bay]

Never happened to me or if it did, I just didn't notice

[warm granite]

couldnt even see him, yet he shoots at my head 4 times through a wall

had never seen him previously either

[civic surge]

you probably got flanked or something

[warm granite]

he was just strafing fighting a friend, locked on me and tried to shoot me through a wall with no visibility

[warm granite]

trust me, it couldnt have happened or i wouldve been shot from the left

[vast folio]

The AI mods are cool and all, but the weakest element in the game is AI IMO. Mods don't fix some of the underlying issues how the game operates. Like

• Enemies are able to spot you through opaque and hard-to-see-through objects.
• Enemies employ really annoying run-and-gun tactics, where they run behind cover and spray through obstacles at the position where you were.
• The time it takes for a suspect to raise a gun and shoot rivals that of IRL competitive shooters, leaving very little time to react yourself.
• Enemies hardly react to getting shot, getting shot in arm doesn't affect the enemy's ability to return fire.
• SWAT AI constantly walk in front of you, or in the line of danger to pick up weapons etc.
• SWAT AI doesn't wait for gas grenades to go off and for the gas to propagate before waltzing in when breaching.

[warm granite]

he tried to wallbang my head and i was looking in his direction through a wall, and id never seen the suspect before but my friend had

only happened once but the ai have some jank tracking in vanilla

[stone bay]

Personally Vanilla AI is really easy

[winter pendant]

You are sadly correct

[civic surge]

if anything too easy

[rocky otter]

"Enemies employ really annoying run-and-gun tactics, where they run behind cover and spray through obstacles at the position where you were."

If you are defending a room and get caught out in the open, are you not gonna run to cover and supress the door?

[warm granite]

easy except for the inhuman strafing and wallbanging but thats it

the ai mods replace the difficulty of superhuman abilities with tactics and realistic damage

[jolly verge]

Helmet protect whole head and you can't be headshoted till it's broken + suspects damage through surface is badly nerfed and barely will harm you

[warm granite]

instead of the ai being inhuman and can track u through walls and doors to perfectly follow u and wallbang u, you instead deal with more enemies taking cover, flanking and using actual tactics

[winter pendant]

The problem is less that they run and gun and more that they reliably score solid hits doing so, often on the first shot

[vast folio]

It's not realistic for a person to see a sliver of you through x999 metal post carriage things and then spray accurate full-auto fire at chest level while running full-sprint to cover.

[civic surge]

yea like noway in hell is an rpd not going to kill you

[rocky otter]

that's true,but different from what you said

[warm granite]

thats, what i said?

i got shot in the helmet once, it was gone, then through a door i got hit again

[stone bay]

I'm sure things'll change up a bit in 2 hours

[civic surge]

i love the ai mod i use because for the harder missions ai flanks and groups up more. they also start executing hostages

[warm granite]

causing me to instead of dying, be barely alive with red dmg head

[stone bay]

Are you sure it was an RPD

[warm granite]

very

[stone bay]

Describe

[warm granite]

big ass lmg

[stone bay]

Fair enough

[vast folio]

Well, I don't have anything against the tactic per se, but at the last part.

[warm granite]

on hospital

[civic surge]

i dont see a helmet protecting you when you get shot in the face by a rifle tbh

[warm granite]

yeah it can deflect off the top though

[vast folio]

"spray through obstacles at the position where you were."

[jolly verge]

Yeah, it's just indicate that you got hit into head, nothing more, it's will be red even after 0.1 damage to it

[warm granite]

helmets are made to deflect bigger bullets not stop them

[vast folio]

They are way too unrealistic in the way they predict your position in the 3D space.

[warm granite]

in vanilla the ai just track you through walls, its not a guess for them

if you move, they track that, if you stand still, they shoot where ur at then still\

[vast folio]

If I was in a large warehouse, and I saw someone enter it 30 meters away and I immediately bolted behind a wall, it would be hard for me to accurately predict in which spot I would need to shoot the wall for the bullet to hit the other person.

[warm granite]

exactly

[stone bay]

Does it really matter changing the material of your plates?

[warm granite]

yes

speed is a big factor, and so is overall protection

[stone bay]

Ceramic is the best for that

[warm granite]

without steel or ceramic, rifles will mess you up

[warm granite]

most rifle calibers besides fal i believe

[jolly verge]

Yes, kevlar and steel is piece of plastic, so ceramic only

[stone bay]

Steel is kinda useless

[warm granite]

so 76251

steel isnt useless, it never breaks and protects against 76251

[jolly verge]

It's is useless

[warm granite]

theres a time and place for every type of armor

[tacit gull]

ceramic protects against everything

there really isn't

kevlar and steel are meme builds

[warm granite]

it literally says most rifle rounds not all like steel. it does not protect against 76251

[winter pendant]

The time and place for steel is "wherever you're standing, forever"

[stone bay]

Spall and passive damage since some fragmentation from the plate could hit you once it hits

[jolly verge]

Check #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[stone bay]

This is true for IRL too

[tacit gull]

guess what, that's not the case

[jolly verge]

Don't ever trust in game descriptions

[stable kernel]

Worst mistake of my life

[warm granite]

thought the game would be correct but i guess im wrong

[tacit gull]

most of the game's descriptions and tooltips are completely wrong

[stone bay]

Don't ever trust no description from the game bro

[warm granite]

i use ceramic anyways but going off what the game told me, steel wouldve been the best if i were going against enemies with huge rifles

[noble pasture]

7.62 makes bodies explode

[lunar jewel]

Someone knows when the update is coming out (or if it's already out idfk)

[warm granite]

2 hours

[lunar jewel]

Thanks

[civic surge]

i mean in ides of march the guy with the saw sprays through the wall seems pretty realistic to me

[stone bay]

Suppressive Fire

[warm granite]

ooo mp5sd6 being added

[noble pasture]

2 hours!

[warm granite]

WAIT

[winter pendant]

No burst tho :/

[warm granite]

OFFICIAL G3 RIFLES BEING ADDED?

[civic surge]

also its a lmg. wall should be gone after suppressive fire

[noble pasture]

In 2 hours

[stone bay]

It uses 5.56 as well

[frail pier]

Angled grip doing jack fuck for ADS speed

[warm granite]

OH MY GOD THIS UPDATE IS SEXY

i thought it was good but now its GREAT

[noble pasture]

2 G3 rifles

[warm granite]

g3 rifles, integ suppressed mp

[golden spear]

Hey I got a quick question does equipping more than one lock picking gun do anything at all?

[warm granite]

and a m14 rifle i saw? or am i wrong

[warm granite]

nothing

[jolly verge]

Nope

[noble pasture]

Yes M14

[warm granite]

m14s-16

[stone bay]

9mm is the best caliber in this game because to quote former US President Joe Biden, "9mm will blow out your lungs"

[warm granite]

thats fucking amazing

[golden spear]

Then why give the option??

[warm granite]

think realistically

you could bring 2, but wtf would 2 do

[frail pier]

There's an easter egg if you equip nothing but lock pick guns it spawns you with M249 the suspects use.

[noble pasture]

Homie hasnt ever seen a gun

[golden spear]

would have been funny if you double fist the lock picking gun if you brought 2

[warm granite]

missin the joke

[stone bay]

I mean hes always guarded by the secret service

So I doubt ut

[civic surge]

how many rounds of 556 does it take to carve out a thin wood wall is the better question

[stone bay]

40 probably?

[noble pasture]

5.56 deals with lvl 4?

[stone bay]

how much is the dlc

[rocky otter]

they have the SPC in the game right

[stone bay]

too lazy to look it up rn

[warm granite]

yes

[rocky otter]

I wonder what the point of bringing that in a real life situation would be

[warm granite]

look at pins, it is same as last dlc

[rocky otter]

you'd have less recoil, more power and range with 5.56

[warm granite]

fast firing?

[stone bay]

Like 3 or 4 rounds

[civic surge]

enemies have lvl 4s? bring the knee remover

[stone bay]

But heres a life pro tip

[rocky otter]

I guess, but does that really matter?

[stone bay]

If you have 3 rounds of 5.56 in your plate

Take cover

[noble pasture]

AP 5.56 should handle level 4 or 6 if you are russian

[warm granite]

sometimes, i mean its 9mm so low recoil, then make it shoot like an a-10 and it has recoil like an ar but it shoots more bullets

[stone bay]

so $10?

[rocky otter]

DI 9mm guns have more recoil than AR15s

[warm granite]

i feel like the spc9 is just for quick stopping power since 10 shots are hitting them super quick

[warm granite]

in the game i mean

[noble pasture]

SPC has 1000 rof

[warm granite]

a 9mm pistol will have more recoil offset than an ar15 shouldered right

[stone bay]

If an A-10 Warthog fires for too long the plane could fall out of the sky due to the amount of recoil the GAU-8 produces

[rocky otter]

oh really? ok thats kinda scary

[stone bay]

This is real

[warm granite]

yeah, it has 1000 rpm and has low recoil in game

[civic surge]

what if we put two gau8s on a boeing

[warm granite]

thats why its worth using, but bring lots of mags

[stone bay]

IDK

[rocky otter]

Im just trying to think why it even exists IRL

[warm granite]

i can tap fire with spc 9 on full auto, spray 4 shots at someone and they die like instantly

[warm granite]

same reason mac10 and mac 11 exists

[stone bay]

European Police wanted an SMG

[rocky otter]

like why make a duty grade AR9 platform gun that's really expensive in the modern day

[warm granite]

spray bullets faster than fuck and hit everything you see

[rocky otter]

ah, makes sense

[rocky otter]

but the mac 10 and SPC weren't made at the same time

[stone bay]

I mean the MP5 is 60 fuckin years old

[warm granite]

im just jokin around

[rocky otter]

when MAC 10 and mp5 were made SMGS were still relevant in the military world

[warm granite]

mac 10 and spc both spray and pray at huge rpms

thats the joke

[wraith basin]

If it works, it works.

[warm granite]

just hold down the trigger and hit the target

[stone bay]

Just comes at a huge fuckin cost

[winter pendant]

Mac10 is a cheap full auto trigger to register and then slap an expensive upper onto

[warm granite]

lots of stuff is 60 years old and is still "revolutionary" tech

[rocky otter]

for like 2k

[wraith basin]

Only 2k?

[rocky otter]

probably more

[wraith basin]

Cheap

[rocky otter]

if ur in the US

[stone bay]

RPM Isn't everything though, gangsters from the hood could hardly aim a glock with an auto sear lololol

[warm granite]

thats because thats a pistol, prob with no shoulder brace

[stone bay]

For some reason they also use a Draco AK Pistol which you'll be more accurate throwing the magazine at your target rather than shooting your target with the gun itself

[warm granite]

they use dracos since they are legally pistols, but shoot ak rounds

[stone bay]

Gangsters don't like using stocks for some reason

[jolly verge]

1666 actually

[warm granite]

and ak rounds scare their opps they dont even gotta shoot at them

[stone bay]

Not like they can hit shit

[warm granite]

ong

[civic surge]

tape two mac10s together and you have a revolutionary dual barrel

[warm granite]

never seen a gangster hit the shooting range then go shoot at opps

[rocky otter]

holy fuck a hk SP5 is 3800€ here that's just fucked up

[winter pendant]

If they were smart they wouldn't be gangsters would they

[noble pasture]

So entire mag gone in 1 squeeze?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[wraith basin]

You were gonna buy one or something?

[stone bay]

Some change their ways as time progresses

[warm granite]

ive seen smart gangsters, they js cant leave that life since they would be killed or jumped out, which is basically just being killed

[rocky otter]

no, I will buy my own Valmet RK 62

[warm granite]

the only people to leave gangs and still be alive and respected left because they got older

and wiser as people

[noble pasture]

A bot used SPC, used 1 mag on 2 suspects

[wraith basin]

Thats good to know. Or KVKK.

[rocky otter]

the fact that the DDM4V7 is cheaper than the SP5 here...

[stone bay]

Speaking of gangs, talking about a gang shooting in chicago is like talking about the weather

[warm granite]

instagram.

[rocky otter]

there's still people there?

[stone bay]

Yes surprisingly

[warm granite]

on instagram i watched 2 people get shot by 2 opposite gang members, and then the 2nd dude came back and double tapped em, then ran em over with a fucking van

[stone bay]

The gang problem has gotten so bad Rookie Chicago Police Officers aren't allowed to go to certain areas alone or at all

[warm granite]

all caught on cctv and basically no news reported about it

running for their lives just to get double tapped and ran over

aint NEVA goin to chicago

[civic surge]

maybe we do need good guy militia

[stone bay]

There are other cities with massive gang problems as well

Los Angeles and Houston for example

[warm granite]

i live near some ms13 members but thats about as bad as it gets here

[stone bay]

Chicago Officers look straight out of a Militia sometimes

Jump out boys with baseball caps

[warm granite]

and im friends with them but they arent even aggressive people

[civic surge]

not surprising with how strapped gangs and cartels are these days

[stone bay]

The ATF are very generous

Except for US Citizens

[rocky otter]

I like both the rookie and the Chicago PD shows

[median tulip]

https://youtu.be/Q9IXY4Cr9c8?si=-a7q2W3gNu7zbkPm

[warm granite]

the atf is the worst

[median tulip]

shayne and civilian use got early access to the update

[warm granite]

the people in charge cant even respond to simple questions

[noble hornet]

Question for someone

[stone bay]

The ATF has it uses though, we would have some massive fuckin problems without them

[warm granite]

yet those same people have basically full control over our guns but are imbeciles

[warm granite]

there would be problems yes, but if they had actual intelligable people in charge it would do more good than bad

[rocky otter]

why is it so difficult for americans to go through any gun regulation, we have way more in europe and we can still get any gun we want, just takes some time and effort

[warm granite]

the atf is just infringing on our right to bear arms and enforcing stupid rules

[warm granite]

its not just going through gun regulation

its how they categorize our guns

[stone bay]

cough cough politicians cough cough

[warm granite]

a pistol with a brace is an assault rifle to them

[rocky otter]

it's so chill here in finland when I know I can get a really sweet gun if I really want to, but I also never need to carry a weapon like I did in the states because I know I'm safe

[warm granite]

a rifle with a cylindrical shoulder brace is a "pistol"

[civic surge]

because gun rights and politics are a big moneymaker

[warm granite]

i just dont understand how they can categorize things that way and jail people for their attachments on guns even if its hardly anything

[rocky otter]

I find it so hilarious watching americans buying novenske rifles and just putting it in a safe and never using them while weighing 200kg

[warm granite]

cant modify barrel or stock or just fuckin anything

[stone bay]

LARPers

[warm granite]

but i can buy a rifle with a cylindrical stock and its a "pistol"

[rocky otter]

true thats stupid

[warm granite]

i think the atf is good for what it stands for, but they have done a horrific job of execution

the people in charge and dumber than rocks when it comes to what the atf fucking stands for

the people in charge are equivalent to my 10 year old little cousin bruh

[rocky otter]

whats the main duty of the ATF?

[warm granite]

alcohol something and firearms

cant remember the t off the top of my head

[rocky otter]

but like what do they do in purpose?

[subtle wadi]

No one here buy cyber power pc they suck

I’m learning the hard way

[warm granite]

they conduct investigations on people with illegal firearms and things like that

[rocky otter]

I only play RON on mobile

[warm granite]

and enforce stupid rules on our guns and other things

[civic surge]

sorry to hear that

[warm granite]

they are essentially a governmental agency to regulate firearms, tabacoo and alcohol

[rocky otter]

👍

[warm granite]

but they do such a shitty job at it

[civic surge]

its outdated asf too

[warm granite]

the people in charge get asked questions and cant answer

just talk about something else that doesnt make sense or give a wrong answer

[rocky otter]

I dont understand the term AR pistol

[warm granite]

and our health administation is all fat fucking people

[unborn kiln]

Is the dlc out?

[stone bay]

Very short AR

[warm granite]

exactly ARMALITE RIFFFLEEEE PISTOL?

[stone bay]

That you can conceal carry

[rocky otter]

yeah but that's not a pistol

[warm granite]

not just short ar, but short ar with a cylindrical stock

[rocky otter]

you aren't holstering a 5.56 AR

[stone bay]

Aint that the buffer tube

[warm granite]

yeah, buffer tube but it can be shouldered for recoil control which is something the atf refuse to elaborate on

or stability at minimum

the people in charge have no common sense over guns and would rather impose stupid rules than fucking keep people safe

[rocky otter]

so a short AR-15 with the stock ripped of is somehow a pistol?

[warm granite]

yep

[stone bay]

I think I'd rather carry a PDW like a Flux Raider or sumthing

[rocky otter]

why would anyone ever want to have one?

[warm granite]

because its a pistol, and its short and gangsters like it

[stone bay]

Conceal Carry

[warm granite]

yeah you can ccw an arp legally

[stone bay]

Go to r/blackgunowners you will see alot of AR Pistols

[warm granite]

since its a PISTOL

[stone bay]

That is not a joke

[rocky otter]

yeah but like, surely anything else is more practical

[warm granite]

not keeping anyone safe by letting people ccw a rifle

[stone bay]

I guess they wanted to have the stopping power of 5.56

[warm granite]

tell that to the atf, they dont give a fuck. they would rather have everyone walking around with concealed assault rifles than concealed 9mm

[rocky otter]

can you have a .300 BLK pistol with a folding stock?

[warm granite]

folding stock is a rifle.

the categorization of guns is shit

[rocky otter]

can you put a buffer tube on a .300 BLK and conceal carry it?

[warm granite]

folding stock is a rifle whether folded or not, yet a buffer tube is a pistol

[warm granite]

pretty sure yes.

if the gun is considered a pistol by the atf, yes.

[rocky otter]

what about a folding buffer tube on a piston .300

[stone bay]

The only surviving Pancor Jackhammer shotgun is classified as a destructive weapon despite the fact the gun can't even fire

[warm granite]

there are pistols that are rifles, and rifles that are pistols.

[stone bay]

It is completely non functional

[warm granite]

the atf categorizes everything mumbo jumbo

your pistol has a brace? nah thats a long range rifle

[rocky otter]

wait

you cant put a stock on a glock?

[warm granite]

nope

[rocky otter]

that's crazy

[warm granite]

because its a rifle

turning pistol to a rifle is illegal i believe

[rocky otter]

how does making people more accurate with their gun make them more dangerous

[warm granite]

they would rather restrict accuracy than provide fair rules

they allow ccw arps that are super innacurate

and high penetration

[stone bay]

Btw we probably shouldn't get TOO political were still in #👮ron-discussion lul

[warm granite]

but they dont allow you to own a glock w brace unless you do tons of paperwork and get it legally as a rifle

[rocky otter]

the finnish gunmarket is interesting, Low end weapons do not exist in the market

[warm granite]

its not really political, just talking about the rules already in place on our guns

[rocky otter]

since getting a weapon already takes a lot of time and money, so most people spend at least 2000e on their rifle

and everyone who has an AR has to prove they are skilled with it every 6 months

[warm granite]

i just dont see why a glock with brace is a rifle to them, but a rifle with a buffer tube is a pistol

[stone bay]

I didn't know some European countries allowed citizens to have firearms

[rocky otter]

so everyone who has one has an accurate rifle and the skills to use it

[rocky otter]

almost all do

it just takes a lot of will power

in some countries less than others

[warm granite]

yeah lots of countries allow people to own guns, usually just for hunting though

[rocky otter]

yeah and the storing and transporting is VERY strict

[warm granite]

and you have to prove what the gun is for usually

[stone bay]

My country (The Philippines) recently allowed civillians to own Semi Automatic rifles like AR's

[warm granite]

awesome

[stone bay]

Some people were concerned about "mass shootings" lol

[rocky otter]

you have to belong to a sports or hunting club, go through a lot of paperwork and money, store it in an expensive safe without ammo ect.

[warm granite]

yep, but then there is america with wacky rules but easy to get a gun

easy to get a gun, not easy to customize gun

[rocky otter]

doesn't it take like a year to get a supressor?

I can order one and have it on my door by tommorow evening

[warm granite]

it can take a long time, or it can take just a few weeks

[stone bay]

American Gun Laws are quite silly

[warm granite]

some places you can walk in and walk out with a shotgun same day

[rocky otter]

I have talked to a swedish gun hobbyist who happened to also be racist

[stone bay]

Just try not to buy more than 52 guns in one year or buy two guns in the same week

[rocky otter]

he got conviced of beating up an immigrant and the cops raided him

[stone bay]

At least in America

[rocky otter]

30k worth of guns taken from him, I wonder if he thinks it was worth it 😄

[stone bay]

I think homeboy needs to stay away from guns

[rocky otter]

yep

[unreal yarrow]

I agree, NFA and GCA of 1968 very silly

[stone bay]

Some dare say, Goofy

[rocky otter]

hasn't the 2A in general lost all meaning pretty much?

you can't buy an f35 or a bradley

[jolly pasture]

Abolish the ATF repeal the NFA

[warm granite]

you can buy tanks that are incapable of shooting

[unreal yarrow]

The consitution in its entirety

[rocky otter]

it's not ships and muskets anymore

[stone bay]

The DoD didn't give me a free MRAP but my Sheriff's Office did

We need to protest

[rocky otter]

police MRAPS?

[stone bay]

Yes

[rocky otter]

how often do police cars drive over IEDs for that to happen?

[stone bay]

The department of defense sometimes gives out surplus stuff to LE Agencies

For free!

[jolly pasture]

No but they get shot at

[rocky otter]

true

[stone bay]

They get shot at sometimes

[rocky otter]

isn't an MRAP kinda overbuilt for just bullets?

I guess its better to go over than under prepared

[stone bay]

Thats the best part

[rocky otter]

in Sweden you can buy hand grenades for very cheep of the streets if you are an arab

so they would actually need them

[unreal yarrow]

Can you still find AVS 36 for sale over there??

[jolly pasture]

NGL I kinda want an ACR in Ready or Not

[rocky otter]

the full auto one? no way

[jolly pasture]

Because nostalgia and it wouldn't be that out of place

[rocky otter]

I can't think of many guns more out of place

[rocky otter]

actually nvm, they do

[jolly pasture]

M1 Garand

[rocky otter]

1700€ for a AVS-36

actually the seller is 15min away

[unreal yarrow]

I need ahahahah

[jolly pasture]

Brown Bess Musket

[topaz spade]

when update

[unreal yarrow]

I paid half that for 2 mags in the states

[stone bay]

Didn't Magpul intend that as a replacement for the US's service rifle

[rocky otter]

hahah

[unreal yarrow]

How may i become citizen

[stone bay]

An hour and 20

[jolly pasture]

Yes kinda

[noble pasture]

1 hour and 23 minutes until update

[rocky otter]

so I guess I'm buying 20 of these and flying to the states

[jolly pasture]

Fun fact the PMAG was originally made for the ACR

[unreal yarrow]

Last one i saw sell went for 21k or so and that was going on 6 years ago

[stone bay]

Cool!

[jolly pasture]

So although the ACR may have been a failure at least we got that out of it

[rocky otter]

you have to first be an alcoholic and then be depressed for 7 months out of the year and then the happiest person on the planet for rest

then you have to start paying a 50% tax rate just to be too shamed to use any of the social services, then ur set

[stone bay]

Do people complain about the militarization of Police in Europe just like in America?

[rocky otter]

no because we don't militarize our police

[stone bay]

I mean Germany got GSG9

[jolly pasture]

I literally see pictures of cops with rifles in Europe all the time lol

[stone bay]

And umm SEK

[rocky otter]

special forces being militarized doesn't seem like a problem since it's only deployed for very extreme cases

[jolly pasture]

I only have a problem with cops having rifles and shit if I can't have them

[rocky otter]

Rifles aren't military only weapons, that's just modern weaponary development

[plain bramble]

Sorry for interrupting, but does someone know how much will dlc2 cost?

[jolly pasture]

I think I should be allowed to own anything the police can

[stone bay]

Same as the first one, 10 dollars

[plain bramble]

Thanks

[rocky otter]

in finland we have a military's ready force, so if wanna out arm the goverment for some crazy reason, you'll need AT

if a very extreme situation comes up, they call the military not the cops

[kindred iris]

at what time today is the dlc2 coming out?

[jolly pasture]

Even Japan has SWAT lol

[plain bramble]

it's one of few games that are cheaper here in Poland lol. 10$ should be 40+PLN, but Home Invasion was 29.99PLN here

[rocky otter]

1h 19min

[kindred iris]

okay thank you

[jolly pasture]

Look up Japanese Special Assault Team

[stone bay]

I feel like alot of Americans are just biased towards police tbh

[jolly pasture]

Theres a cool photo of them with MP5s and stuff

[rocky otter]

I love the finnish police, I've always had good experiences

I can just call my cop friend to ask if my car is illegal

they say yes and tell me to fix it within a year

[stone bay]

Ever since 1992 when LAPD Cops nearly beat a black guy half to death the reputation of cops seem to be pretty bad

[rocky otter]

they are nice even when taking ur license

[pale field]

perkele iltaa

[rocky otter]

iltaa

[jolly pasture]

Oh speaking of cars isn't California trying to ban classic cars or some shit

[stone bay]

What? Really?

[jolly pasture]

Thank God I don't live there cause I own a 93 Miata

[jolly pasture]

I doubt it will pass but theres a bill that was introduced yeah

[rocky otter]

there's plenty of cities in europe that don't allow diesel cars

[rocky otter]

that's gonna have to happen globally eventually

[stone bay]

Donut Media gotta switch locations if that were somehow to pass

[jolly pasture]

Because apparently my 93 Miata that doesn't even make 100 horsepower is the problem but not billionaires and politicians in private jets and shit

[stone bay]

Is it only banning from driving them?

Or just owning them

[jolly pasture]

I think but that still ruins the point of a car

[rocky otter]

I've slept in a car 160 days this year

so not the only point

[stone bay]

You been counting?

[jolly pasture]

It's obviously just about controlling people, not about saving the environment

[rocky otter]

yes, I did a long road trip and counted the days

[jolly pasture]

Classic cars make up such a tiny amount of emissions

[full shore]

👆

[stone bay]

Its just to give an illusion that they're doing some shit

Same with anti gun politicians

[rocky otter]

ICE vehicles have to go eventually, starting from the oldest that have the worst emissions is easier

[stone bay]

Instead of blaming inanimate fucking objects how about we blame societies fucking failures

[jolly pasture]

No lol

I'll get rid of my ICE vehicle when politicians and billionaires get rid of their private jets

[rocky otter]

we have to get rid of both 😄

what you said doesn't make what I said wrong

[jolly pasture]

Also I can't afford an electric car

[rocky otter]

yeah me neither, I have a 2018 focus

[ashen kestrel]

yo any tips for the post office mission? especially the big warehouse segment

[jolly pasture]

I have a 93 Miata I bought for under 7000 dollars

And I had to save alot of money for that

[thorn egret]

Hiii ron discussion

[stable kernel]

!slowmode 30s

[copper solar]

Set 30 seconds slowmode for #👮ron-discussion (native slowmode)

[stone bay]

LOL

[full shore]

California is banning the sales of ICE cars in 2035

[rocky otter]

bruh

[kindred carbon]

1984

[thorn egret]

GOD DAMNIT EMAN

[warm granite]

is it because the update is coming?

[rocky otter]

why u ruin all the fun? now we can't discuss while waiting

[ashen kestrel]

[stone bay]

It's alright, I was going to sleep in a bit anyway

[jolly pasture]

Insanity

[kindred carbon]

Pray

[ashen kestrel]

thanks dude

[warm granite]

go outside first

[rocky otter]

I mean it's pretty well in line with rest of the 1st world

[golden spear]

Is this chat cursed as well?

[kindred carbon]

Clear the outside and then move to the second small building and slowly clear from there, that’s how I did it

[stable kernel]

!slowmode 15s

[rocky otter]

yes, damn mods

[copper solar]

Set 15 seconds slowmode for #👮ron-discussion (native slowmode)

[jolly pasture]

Just cause other countries are doing it doesn't mean it's good

[warm granite]

thanks eman

[golden spear]

YAY

[noble pasture]

Why the fuck did Shayne get to play early?

[golden spear]

We are free(ish)

[rocky otter]

true, but anyways we shouldn't get into politics here

[noble pasture]

Huh? Why is he getting famous guy privilege?

[rocky otter]

it's clear we are both logical and just disagree

[jolly pasture]

Wow a polite disagreement online, damn

[rocky otter]

maybe he slept with Julio?

[noble pasture]

I demand the update be released now

[rocky otter]

you gotta do the 1 thing first

[noble pasture]

I don't give a shit its 1 hour to wait. I am aggravated youtubers got to play it first

[warm granite]

some youtubers get to play it days early for other games.

[rocky otter]

I don't personally mind, my life doesn't rest on 1h of playing a videogame

[warm granite]

its only one hour dude and its not like it would change for you whether it updates now or not if they didnt get to play it early

[noble pasture]

I am boycotting Shayne for this blatant display of privilege

[golden spear]

Hello other chat

[rocky otter]

and maybe he found a bug that's getting fixed sooner now

[chrome tide]

when is it coming out?

[stone bay]

An hour

[rocky otter]

1h 6min

[chrome tide]

play let’s go

[noble pasture]

He didnt, he played the game 1 hour early (at best) if not more and got his views

I hate it

[rocky otter]

and you know that he didn't find a bug during that 1h how?

[noble pasture]

No bug happens in 1 hour

[rocky otter]

I havent had an hour without a bug before

also he makes free marketing for VOID so they are supporiting him get more views, just seems logical. Why does an hour matter?

[noble pasture]

I put my fucking sweat and blood in videos, I get 3 views. Shayne talks how he found an email on a map. Early access to the updates for life

Fuck

[rocky otter]

I'm sorry your youtube channel isn't taking off. Not the fault of people who have more success tho

the algorythm is very luck based too

[noble pasture]

Treat everyone equally or not at all

Remove youtuber privilege

[rocky otter]

do you get their game tens of thousands of views of free advertisement?

[hollow citrus]

!slowmode eternity

[rocky otter]

also it's litterally an hour dude, chill out 😄

[noble pasture]

Its that he gets access to it that pisses me off

[rocky otter]

also hating on someone else who has succeeded in something isn't the right attitude to make ur own channel take off

[hollow citrus]

bro what are you crying about

[winter pendant]

Isn't there a creator partner program for this kinda thing now?

[umbral oar]

might become a lore channel to get dlc a few hours early

[rocky otter]

@noble pasture is giving off WT DOD leaker energy

[hollow citrus]

Are people whining that YouTubers get content early💀

[rocky otter]

yeah, by an HOUR

[hollow citrus]

Oh no, anyway

[winter pendant]

As in SIXTY minutes?

[thorn egret]

There are 24 hours in a day

[noble pasture]

He could have gotten it yesterday for all we know

[rocky otter]

oh the horror, how will I survive this

[hollow citrus]

Who gives a fuck though

[thorn egret]

I mean if he's playing it right now then uh
Who cares-

[noble pasture]

I care

[chrome tide]

that’s crazy

[rocky otter]

he played the game YESTERDAY, I'm dead dude

[hollow citrus]

👍

[jolly pasture]

ok guys 1 hour to go

[winter pendant]

Marketing is part of what makes continued development and moneymaking possible.

[rocky otter]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[warm bloom]

We ain't getting the DLC today, are we?

[chrome tide]

we are

[hollow citrus]

In an hour

[rocky otter]

its comig out in 59 minutes

[noble pasture]

Shayne yaps for 30 minutes about details everyone can see how "Los Santos is going to shit" and makes bank off it

[rocky otter]

bro, he has 9000 subs, his not making bank 😄

[hollow citrus]

ETA 3540 seconds

[rocky otter]

and if you think his videos are shit, why don't make better ones and take his views?

[hollow citrus]

3480 seconds before update boys

[jolly pasture]

Los Santos lmao

[umbral oar]

he maybe got it earlier from needing time to check out the map and edit the vid

[winter pendant]

Replay mode is getting fixed up, honestly might be a good time

[warm bloom]

Cause people have low attention spans so making and getting more views off similar content even if its better in quality is still hard

[idle eagle]

What does it meaned when the mission is unresolved?

[jolly pasture]

Ready or Not has a replay mode now?

[noble pasture]

Los Angeles, Los Santos, Los Suenos, same shithole

[winter pendant]

It always did, just a bit broken

[warm bloom]

Been had one

[hollow citrus]

You haven't passed it via getting rank higher than F

[winter pendant]

You gotta enable the recording in settings

[chrome tide]

yo i fw you heavy from this ngl

[warm bloom]

It did the same bs that DCS did where they just replay the inputs and hope it comes out looking the same

[idle eagle]

It still says it when I get A or B rank though

[warm bloom]

You playing in campaign, quickplay or multiplayer?

[thorn egret]

Mods? Those give you unofficial scores so

[idle eagle]

Multiplayer

[jolly pasture]

ah a fellow DCS player

[warm bloom]

Thats why im p sure

[idle eagle]

Whats it need to be

[rocky otter]

I'm an ex DCS player

[warm bloom]

Used to, constant 10+gb updates make it harder to want to get my set up out but I enjoy a little f14 action here and there

[rocky otter]

fuck ED, not giving them any more of my money

[jolly verge]

Visual bug in MP mode if you not a host

[warm bloom]

Campaign im p sure

[noble pasture]

55 minutes too long

[rocky otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IXY4Cr9c8&ab_channel=CivilianUseOnly the new guns

[frigid shell]

So it comes out at 3PM ET?

[hollow citrus]

🤙hell ye bro

[rocky otter]

oh

[chrome tide]

multiplayer counts for me tho so idk

[hollow citrus]

Cry me a fucking river

[frail pier]

The real DLC is the people we cyberbullied along the way

[rocky otter]

another red dot, there's a holosun in the game now. we can roleplay as brokies

[hollow citrus]

😂

[rocky otter]

you have more time to get a life

[winter pendant]

Perfect for my t shirt and jeans no armor loadout

[hollow citrus]

Fax

[chrome tide]

lmao fr

[warm bloom]

No one who is active in this server can claim to have a life

[chrome tide]

time for the polo beach shirt w shorts and a plate carrier

[rocky otter]

I have a life, it's just on pause until january because of a breakup

[noble pasture]

I am touching a dog

[frail pier]

He's right ya know(not really)

[chrome tide]

first time in here today in fact i just finished working on a car

[winter pendant]

What's the cheapest primary weapon in ron? UMP? MK18?

[rocky otter]

deffinetly not the UMP

[noble pasture]

Cheapest?

[warm bloom]

I'm only in here for the announcements and occasional questions, it's mainly filled with armchair airsoft nerds

[rocky otter]

one of the shotguns for sure is the cheapest

[winter pendant]

didn't even think about that, prolly the 870

[noble pasture]

Can probably get a pump action for 50 dollars

[chrome tide]

one of the pistols guys

[hollow citrus]

Cheapest probably pepper gun

[rocky otter]

not a big brand one, but still

[winter pendant]

I've seen em at gunshow for $200

[jolly pasture]

Glock 19 maybe?

[chrome tide]

the p320 conv cus he said primary i mean

[jolly pasture]

oh

[rocky otter]

it's not a primary

[chrome tide]

i own a p320 they aren’t too expensive pretty nice actually

[noble pasture]

Glock got expensive

[jolly pasture]

i didnt see the primary bit

[hollow citrus]

I mean pepper ball is just plasticy airsoft gun no, it's gotta be cheap

[rocky otter]

shotguns are cheaper than the flux chassis for sure

[chrome tide]

irl yeah true

[full shore]

870 or the supernova for sure

[jolly pasture]

I dont trust those things

[winter pendant]

Was about to say lol i bet that's an expensive hunk of plastic

[strong pivot]

I own a P365X macro sig is for sure not on the cheap end.

[rocky otter]

yeah, what other prices would you be looking at than IRL prices???

[chrome tide]

why not?

[jolly pasture]

you know why lol

[hollow citrus]

Robux

[chrome tide]

i’m in denial lmaoooo

[strong pivot]

The flux chassis without the FCU is like $800 alone.

[winter pendant]

Jesus Christ

[rocky otter]

did we have tan exps3 before the update?

[chrome tide]

not TOO expensive i said

[jolly pasture]

at that point why not just get a rifle?

[warm bloom]

Price is subjective

[chrome tide]

yep

[rocky otter]

the point of the flux is to be a bag / on body consceleable weapon. a PDW

[hollow citrus]

Let's reverse this, what's the most expensive one? $$$$

[strong pivot]

No. I was playing last night. Only EOTech fde I’ve seen was in mods.

[chrome tide]

mk18?

[rocky otter]

maybe the SR-16?

[full shore]

Prob the 1301

[hollow citrus]

What's the irl analog of it?

[winter pendant]

I would assume the LVAR/LVAW since that's essentially CAG city

[jolly pasture]

SR16

[rocky otter]

the KAC SR-16

[noble pasture]

49 minutes too early

[warm bloom]

Not until the people who fished out an extra $30 get their 1+ hour playtime

[jolly pasture]

I have an airsoft SR16 lol

[full shore]

Remove the brand on the AR and just go by barrel length to keep it fair

[strong pivot]

The flux chassis is a lot more portable and lightweight plus you can use 9mm with it. Way more convenient for truck/backpack weapon.

[novel meadow]

😭

[hollow citrus]

If I were to guess id say mp7, because those are so expensive if you aren't military

[rocky otter]

so far we have:

Holosun something
RAID XE
aimpoint PRO
FDE Eotech

[full shore]

Actually the scar16 would be the most expensive

[chrome tide]

people don’t realize the pros, like much more useful than a rifle ngl

[rocky otter]

I think SR-16 is more expensive

[stone bay]

48 minutes

[rocky otter]

well, maybe not depends where you look

[winter pendant]

The quad nods are more expensive than the whole rest of the loadout

[stone bay]

SR-16 is $3500

[rocky otter]

yeah, so then it's probably the SR-16

[jolly pasture]

yep, 40,000$

[hollow citrus]

What if they are actually airsoft

[chrome tide]

but they work like real gpnvgs so it wouldn’t be airsoft?

[stone bay]

Would you rather buy a
Ford Mustang
Or
L3HARRIS Ground Panoramic Night Vision Goggles

[hollow citrus]

Look up mp7 price on civil market

[warm bloom]

Quad nods cost more than a fucking car

[strong pivot]

I wouldn’t mind having a flux at all for my car or backpack. I already own a AR9 and I love it just wish it was even smaller.

[chrome tide]

flux’s are sweet for sure dude

[full shore]

Pvs14 with thermal bridge is more useful imo. And costs significantly less

[dapper hornet]

I wonder if they will ever make RON for console.
Would be cool to see how they handle the menus and have cross-platform with my military buds from work.

[winter pendant]

If you're talking about supporter edition ppl we're waiting just like y'all

[wraith basin]

Neither.

[stone bay]

Way too many controls so likely not

[rocky otter]

there isn't a civilian version so you can't compare the price

[strong pivot]

Indeed my friend. Ever since they announced the 365 flux I’ve been tempted to get one.

[warm bloom]

Whack

[chrome tide]

i bet lmao

[jolly pasture]

45 minutes guys

[winter pendant]

Not whack, completely normal

[rocky otter]

MP7 only has only full auto variants iirc, so you can't compare a full auto mp7 to a semi auto SR-16

[jolly pasture]

actually there is a semi auto MP7 for British police

[strong pivot]

Where did you see the FDE EOTech?

[rocky otter]

yeah but not one you can buy as a civilian

[warm bloom]

Doesnt seem like the $30 would be worth it unless you did it just for a charitable heart so yeah whack

[jolly pasture]

yeah but you said there are only full auto MP7s

[hollow citrus]

Wdym 30$???

[rocky otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IXY4Cr9c8&ab_channel=CivilianUseOnly in this vid on the scar H

[dapper hornet]

Could just like, compact them.

Select brings up the PDA, R3 to shout and LB to bring up command menu with Dpad + X to command.
Hold RB to lean about

And the standard shooter controls thrown in.

[noble pasture]

You can theoretically make a cheap loadout for RoN

[warm bloom]

Wasnt supporter edition like $80 for a gun and top

[winter pendant]

It was very clear to us that we should only do it out of a charitable heart. We were never even promised dlc2

[rocky otter]

true, I should've said no semi auto mp7s for sale

[hollow citrus]

I don't remember, but I'm glad I bought it

[full shore]

If you eliminate the brand names on all of the ar variants then cheap loadout is easy to accomplish

[strong pivot]

Sick!

[stone bay]

A flannel shirt, Levi 501's, Converse All Stars, Glock 19 and a Remington 870

[hollow citrus]

Make pipe gun in your basement

[warm bloom]

as long as ur content with the money you spend ig

[jolly pasture]

ima do that as a challenge now

[winter pendant]

I'm glad I helped em out, yeah. I certainly don't think everyone should have

[rocky otter]

It's the holosun HS510C

[jolly pasture]

the "broke loadout" no NVGs no body armor, Remington 870 and Glock 19

[chrome tide]

supporter edition right v

[winter pendant]

I like it

[strong pivot]

I would change the Levi’s to 512’s and the shoes to some 5.11’s A/Ts

[hollow citrus]

Tarkov boy

[rocky otter]

not this wipe, everyone has unlimited money

[full shore]

Open emitter 🤢

[stone bay]

I went for style points lul

[hollow citrus]

Supporter edition=higher class😎

[strong pivot]

lol.

[winter pendant]

Tbh that's how I run patrol cop but I use a beanbag instead of a regular 870

[rocky otter]

bro, we are doing 10min raids in a building, I think it'll be fine 🤣

[stone vigil]

Hello, is the DLC out yet?

[hollow citrus]

Ever since they made 250$ edition I haven't played

[strong pivot]

I can’t wait for the update where they bring the ability to have laser and a light and toggle between them.

[chrome tide]

i should’ve bought it smh

[rocky otter]

40min

[stone bay]

40 Minutes

[stone vigil]

oh it's at 9pm for me then, thanks!

[winter pendant]

Soon

[hollow citrus]

It wasn't that much worth it back then unless you are die hard fanboy like me who wanted updates 2-3 months earlier

[rocky otter]

you can transfer money and GP coins from arena. You can also level up to flea market from arena.
so essentially you have unlimited money and GP coin and you can get the best armor and helmet with GP coins

[strong pivot]

I’m most excited for that. I have a knock off PEQ15 IRL and I’m sad I can’t switch between laser, IR or light.

[astral oriole]

hi, will there be new achievements?

[rocky otter]

you do like 10min weekly task in arena you get like 100k xp and 3mil worth of stuff

[warm bloom]

That light and laser feature I feel like shouldve been from the start

[rocky plover]

sure hope so

[hollow citrus]

Bruh wtf, good that I quit

[strong pivot]

I’m assuming so since the first DLC had some.

[chrome tide]

i know that’s why i didnt get it cus i figured id get it later anyways

[rocky otter]

yeah it's stupid

[astral oriole]

i remember with the first dlc that they added them even before the dlc came out

[rocky otter]

how much was the supporter edition back then?

[rocky plover]

yeah true, this time, doesn't seem to be the case

[chrome tide]

like 80 i believe

[rocky otter]

I don't think it's worth just to get a few 10$ DLCs, I don't think they are making 8

[rocky plover]

i guess we'll wait and see

[hollow citrus]

@gaunt gale are you gonna post patch notes as soon as it drops?

[strong pivot]

Yeah I just looked and the page on steam hasn’t been updated so maybe we’ll get them at launch?

[full shore]

They said only the first two dlc will be free for supporter edition

[warped cave]

36 Minutes.

[rocky otter]

so then what's the point of the rest of the 60$ some people paid?

[astral oriole]

i really hope so, i like the game without them, but for me its more motivation to play xD

[full shore]

To support the devs lmao

[rocky plover]

true, but they said it was just the 1st, now its 2nd too, so idk XD

[strong pivot]

Most of the time they use that money for dev cost before full launch. But in sure we’ll get more stuff before full launch included

[hollow citrus]

it's supporter edition bro

[winter pendant]

Non supporters legit don't understand the concept of being supportive

[rocky plover]

ikr..

[rocky otter]

true true

[strong pivot]

🤣

[native rune]

If you bought the supporter edition looking for some kind of payoff you’re an idiot js

[winter pendant]

Yes we threw money away. Deal

[rocky otter]

I mean that's why we aren't the supporters

[rocky otter]

I didn't buy it

[hollow citrus]

I guess people are used to devs trying to steal more of their money trying to excuse higher price for Ultimate Edition. Good job Ubisoft

[native rune]

Count yourself 80 bucks heavier than everyone who did that’s about the extent of it

[rocky otter]

as long as the devs marketed it as a donation of a small amount of money that's ok

[full shore]

You are the reason why the development in this game has been so slow. The devs could have used your money for further advancements

[rocky otter]

I don't owe then anything

[winter pendant]

like legit I just enjoy this game and wanted them to keep working on it, that's it. I also bought a copy or two of the game for friends. that's it

[hollow citrus]

laughs in HRT

[warm bloom]

Facts

[native rune]

Blames the people who didn’t spend $100+ on a Trust Me Bro

[winter pendant]

cries in they took FBI off the shield

[hollow citrus]

🥲

[rocky otter]

oh nooo, how dare I spend money on my loved ones instead of supporting a random game developer across the globe

[full shore]

At least it wasn't $250 after you initially paid $150

[naive violet]

does character customization affect your shield

[winter pendant]

I don't agree with blaming non-supporters for anything tbh, I just think they don't understand throwing away money in an informed and deliberate fashion

like literally throwing it away

[hollow citrus]

Fax

[rocky otter]

supporting the devs is fine and the devs are not in the wrong for asking for it, as long as they marketed it right

[stone bay]

33 Minutes

[naive violet]

.

[jolly verge]

What you mean?

[winter pendant]

yeah, I guess maybe ppl think they didn't?

[open geyser]

reall

[naive violet]

like the customization tab, does it have any impact on the actual gameplay?

[rocky otter]

yes, if your helmet is different color your shield won't work anymore

[hollow citrus]

I consider my tan quad nods 100% worth 80 bucks😎

[jolly verge]

Nope, cosmetics is visual only

[naive violet]

dawg I was asking a question

[winter pendant]

is that a supporter thing? i forgot

[rocky otter]

and I answered

[native rune]

How dare you not give unearned money to a company body! (You already bought the product)

[naive violet]

thanks

[hollow citrus]

Yep, I thought before quads overall will be supporter exclusive

[rocky otter]

meanwhile you can make retexture mod for it in like 15min

[hollow citrus]

illegal

[rocky otter]

altho I guess u can also make 80 bucks in 15min if u work hard

[open geyser]

when RoN came out i bought it for me and 2 f my other friends so i didnt buy the supporter edtion

[winter pendant]

that's a very good choice

[hollow citrus]

Ron is the friends we yelled at along the way

[rocky otter]

most of my friends never finished the game

[stone bay]

In 30 min the DLC wil drip?

[winter pendant]

it sure will drip

[rocky otter]

even tho all of them played swat 4 through like 4 times

[open geyser]

damn right it will drip

[stone bay]

Sorry

[open geyser]

your good

[stone bay]

Drop

Yes or no

[warm bloom]

Anyone who takes this game seriously in multiplayer and yells at other for not being an Ex-SEAL should be given job applications

[naive wedge]

29 min chat

[rocky otter]

or

[open geyser]

yes

[naive wedge]

no they should just go outside and touch some grass

[stone bay]

Oke

[rocky otter]

would you trust those people to flip ur burger? I wouldn't

[winter pendant]

I don't yell at ppl I just leave the lobby

[vast folio]

I yell at my AI teammates

Apparently I'm in their spot constantly.

[trim timber]

Anyone got any of those patch notes?

[rocky otter]

At least the list of optics confirmed is
Holosun HS510C
FDE EXPS3
RAID XE
Aimpoint PRO

[trim timber]

Neat, thanks.

[vast folio]

Apparently the DLC maps were great? I just realized I never tried them. Have been on break since before the last DLC was released.

[full shore]

So many red dots 🥱

[rocky otter]

I only cared for the mansion map from the previous one

[full shore]

The narco map was fun too

[open geyser]

it was

[rocky plover]

long range weapons but red dots, makes alot of sense ain't it LOL

[rocky otter]

I didn't like it personally

[full shore]

Dorms map was extremely mid

[rocky otter]

well all the maps first are in the point blank range, so we dont really need anything else

[rocky plover]

narco map would be so much more fun if suspects were more indoors

would be nicer more cqb playstyle, rather than 80% of them outside

[rocky otter]

very true

[rocky plover]

yeah that's why dlc 2 weapons suck compared to dlc 1 imho

[rocky otter]

308 guns are kinda meta in this game tho, since you don't get most of the IRL downsides

the FAL does 1 tap incaps, it could be argued that it's the best gun in the game

[jolly pasture]

Man waiting is so hard

[rocky plover]

meh, 556 is enough for the armor the suspects have anyways

[rocky otter]

with 556 you risk killing the suspects since you have to shoot more than once sometimes

but with FAL you just tap everyone ones to the chest and get guranteed incaps instead of kills