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[amber dock]

Nexus mods always. Mod Io ewwwww

[next shell]

then why cant i use mod in multiplayer with my friends ( he already downloaded it too)

[noble pasture]

did you put it in paks folder?

[next shell]

oh, thanks for the help

[agile loom]

Is there a tappy equivalent? mod hasn't been updated in a year.

[stuck siren]

does anyone know if score affects how quickly an officer unlocks their trait?

[jolly verge]

Nope

Trait unlock after 2 mission complete

[noble pasture]

Got to bleeding twice, but managed to beat the mission with A+

[stuck siren]

just did 3 and i still have 2 officers who have not unlocked

[jolly verge]

2 mission for 1 trait

[last acorn]

anyone know why i can't queue commands in RON

[stuck siren]

it chooses who to unlock at random?

[jolly verge]

i think so

[stuck siren]

wait but one of my officers unlocked at the 3rd mission

[jolly verge]

Yeah it's work like this, when you unlocked trait after mission it's will count to the next officer as well

[wintry wind]

Anybody know how to play custom maps? I've got some from both nexus and mod.io but completely clueless on how to actually play them, lol

[amber dock]

First and foremost you need to make sure they are updated to support latest update

[bitter mason]

No

[amber dock]

If that is done and they are up to date then when you go onto map selection there should be a separate tab for modded maps

[wintry wind]

thats weird. would it be like next to the tab where home invasion is?

[amber dock]

It should yes, if not check the Vanilla maps tab and scroll all the way down

[wintry wind]

Yeah, it aint there either sadly. How recent was the unreal 5 update? im guessing most maps, if any of them would be updated for it

[amber dock]

They have to be updated 23rd of July or after otherwise they will crash your game

[warm sandal]

you will be touched

[amber dock]

Dude what?

[wintry wind]

hooray!!!

lol, thats pretty funny. which one is it?

[fervent gale]

Any NVG compatible optics for the Beanbag?

[rain drift]

my fave part about this game is hearing 'chemlight out' and then hard crashes

[fervent gale]

Classic

[turbid pawn]

DAY 1 IRON MAN MODE:
I think my mental health in real life will deteriorate little by little, all my officers are stressed like me on each mission. I'm only on the 4th out of 18. Do you have any tips?

HELP

[foggy kernel]

fr these mfs see 1 guy get shot then stressed thru the roof

[jolly verge]

Arrest more suspects to offset stress from killing

[turbid pawn]

okay

[solemn jungle]

whats with all the supplies at the statiomn?

last time i played i dont remember any of this being here, is there a hurricane going on in los suenos?

theres like big stacks of medkits, bottles of water and blankets everywhere, plus theres new thunder sounds i keep hearing outside

[solemn jungle]

you basically have to use non-lethal weapons :(

[silk junco]

yeah thats like the whole lore behind the dlc

[solemn jungle]

that theres a hurricane? oh

[silk junco]

yes

[solemn jungle]

oh ok thanks

[silk junco]

np

[turbid pawn]

impossible

[hardy surge]

Anyone got a definite solution for getting the Due Process achievement? Or is the consensus just that it's bugged and brute forcing it with a bunch of attempts will get it eventually?

[jolly verge]

Arrest one suspect alive, carry him to the door and explode it with c2, repeat until he incapacitated

[hardy surge]

I appreciate it.

[small sparrow]

Anyone else feel like the swat AI are dumber than what they were 8 months ago? Mainly in terms of awareness, reaction time and accuracy? They move around better and do more stuff but many times now they just have a suspect run up next to them and shoot them and they take too long to react that I die/one of the swat ai dies

Or they just stand near a doorway whilst getting shot at and don't even bother to move/shoot back

[noble pasture]

Is Flashbang launcher a "Hostage Taker" solver?

Shoot it anywhere the hostage situation, preferably within a couple meters and watch them be temporarily blind and deaf

[small sparrow]

I have tried a few AI mods, none of them seem to work for me. Matter of fact when I tried using a suspect ai mod that decreased their accuracy and awareness I seemed to die a lot faster and get one tapped more often than in the vannilla ironically enough.

[astral warren]

This is likely also due in part to the damage cap being broken with the DLC release.

[stone bay]

Where's the informant in narcos

[astral warren]

iirc he can either spawn in multiple locations or can move around the map

[toxic palm]

oh my god v1 ultrakil!!!

[astral warren]

You'll know him when you see him.

[stone bay]

I've been searching for like 30 minutes now

[astral warren]

hug the wall

[stone bay]

I played the map before I found him in the same spot

[astral warren]

Maybe try ordering your team to search and secure?

They can sometimes find stragglers, but not very reliably.

[stone bay]

Yeah I done that they can't find him

[astral warren]

idk call a helicopter 🤷

[astral warren]

yes, it is I, john v1 of ultrakill

[small sparrow]

There should be a pretty obvious blood trail

just follow that, he usually yells/screams out to you as well

All in all I like the AI being difficult, but for some odd reason every now and then it's literally just instant shooting with 0 delay even when you are slowly peaking them and not making much noise. Their accuracy overall seems fine, my issue more or less is when they don't flinch to being shot at all (in particular armored suspects, making getting them to surrender when using lethal force very dangerous) and their insane levels of awareness, such as just hearing you across the map, knowing exacctly what door to pre aim at and seeing you from fair distances away when you are micro peaking them or there is something that is obstructing the line of vision and they can easily see right through it. For example that one angle on sins of a father or through glass windows at crazy distances like across that bridge as you are going from building a to b on the hospital mission. I have actually gotten beamed going across that from the windows on building b before. and there is literlaly nothing you can do other than try run for it and hope you don't die.

Although I read on voids website they are planning to try fix the line of sight issue, about them being able to see you through small cracks and such easily so that's nice

[astral warren]

Certain armour and caliber combinations can guarantee a stumble on hit. 7.62x51 and slugs will ALWAYS stagger an armoured opponent, this lets you either switch to a different less lethal, or run up and poke them, because I guess being poked with a gun is more intimidating to these people than being shot in the chest by one.

If you wanted a lighter gun with a high stagger rate given its damage output and amount of ammo, the MP7 and P90 chambered with JHP rounds have a 1 in 2 chance of staggering on limb shots.

[small sparrow]

7.62x51 is a garmented one hit incap even on level 4 armor though lol

[astral warren]

Not always true.

[small sparrow]

so long as you are using AP of course, if it's hollow point it takes 5 shots to incap on the torso, Although it can still 1 shot incap on level 3

[astral warren]

AP cannot 1 hit incap to the torso on gas station.

[frail quartz]

It can't 1 hit on some maps #👮ron-discussion message

[astral warren]

^ Different maps have different suspect health pools, so htk can vary.

[small sparrow]

Pedantics, for the most part it does

[astral warren]

Not pedantics, and no, not for the most part.

[frail quartz]

I personally switched to the normal assault rifles because I preferred the consistency of the two-shots rather than it one-shotting on some maps but not others

[small sparrow]

Yes it's pedantic and yes for the most part

[astral warren]

There are 6 levels in the game where 7.62x51 cannot 1 shot incap.

That's like 1/3rd of the levels in the game.

[small sparrow]

1/3 is only 33% ish percent

So again for a majority of the cases in the game, it holds true. Majority = for the most part.

[astral warren]

You're just mad you're using the wrong gun, it's okay, we all did at one point.

[small sparrow]

Great argument bud

[astral warren]

I'm not your bud, pal.

[small sparrow]

Oh come on, even you aren't as stupid enough to know I am not being satirical

[astral warren]

Pot calling the kettle black.

[small sparrow]

How so?

[astral warren]

SLS? Super light sedan?

[full shore]

This stresses the importance of being able to make repeatable hits fast. Can't rely on 1 taps from .30 cal

[small sparrow]

I mean I can, and if it's a map it doesn't work on then I simply double tap, lol.

[astral warren]

I mean, yeah, I can go through the entire game using the SPC-9, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

[small sparrow]

SA-58 claps, what else needs more be said

[astral warren]

.300blk w/ jhp claps just as hard 90% of the time.

[small sparrow]

Why shouldn't you? If you can why not? At the end of the day it is a game.

Use whatever you want dawg

[astral warren]

I wouldn't do it because it wouldn't be enjoyable, because I don't like shooting suspects with level 4 armour 10 times to incap them.

[crude prism]

this but with either of the UMPs

[astral warren]

But SPC-9 has a crash chance.

[small sparrow]

I don't take it on any missions with tier 4 though because that'll take a lot of body shots

[crude prism]

it's a featureTM

[astral warren]

AP???

[small sparrow]

I don't know how many but I am pretty sure it takes a few

[small sparrow]

Of course, but you did say jhp and that was what I was replying to.

[ionic gale]

Hey guys

[small sparrow]

Well it has very little recoil and a high firerate so it isn't entirely impratical

[astral warren]

Even jhp isn't so bad, I think it's normally 6 to incap vs lvl 4 w/ 300blk jhp? I mean, 7.62x51 JHP doesn't really perform much better compared to .300blk JHP vs lvl 4.

[small sparrow]

5 shot vs 6 shot pretty sure off the top of my head

[astral warren]

The more bullets I shoot = the more bullets that can hit their head/the more bullets that can hit them after they're incapped and kill them or a bystander. Reducing number of shots taken is ideal imo.

[crude prism]

meanwhile suspect hands just eat every other shot I fire at them, regardless of penetration

[small sparrow]

But I was never comparing 7.62x51 jhp to 300 blk jhp

[astral warren]

ok I am glad I'm not crazy

[ionic gale]

What is every level of armor that the suspects can have?

[small sparrow]

I'll always use AP on any map with level 4

[crude prism]

suspects have 3 tiers of armor

L2 (armor class 2, 'light')
L3A (armor class 3, 'medium')
Armor 4 (armor class 4, 'heavy')

[ionic gale]

Ahh ok

[astral warren]

There's 3 tiers of armour. Rifles basically ignore the first tier, but subguns can struggle with JHP rounds. The second tier can give 5.56 rifles trouble if they're running JHP, and the third tier gives everything that isn't an AP rifle round a hell of a time.

[ionic gale]

Also, I seen it some suspects, especially the gangsters of 23 MB per second and the gas station level have backpacks on them

I have a feeling that they’re kind of using that backpack as armor, but it’s failing miserably

[crude prism]

cosmetic, same as the dude wearing a 'vest' on coyote (usually spawns outside or in the house)

[astral warren]

^ The game will straight up lie about whether or not a suspect has armour visually.

[ionic gale]

why

[crude prism]

ask Void

[astral warren]

Because VOID likes the grape flavoured crayons.

[ionic gale]

Shits dumb

Especially the gas masks that pissed me off like I feel like that they should be immune to CS gas so it would require you to find some other way to take them down

[bitter mason]

I swear there were functional suspect gasmasks in early access

[crude prism]

backpacks on the front make sense for a robbery, where you can just steal and toss stuff into it easily, less sense on 23MB/s

[full shore]

They're just larping

[astral warren]

What was dumber was 7.62x51 AP having a 2x headshot multiplier when literally every other round in the game had a 3x headshot multiplier. You would think the BIGGEST ARMOUR PIERCING ROUND AVAILABLE would hurt MORE when you're struck in the head, not less.

[astral warren]

Throw some bathroom tiles in there. 🧠

[crude prism]

all gas masks have been cosmetic up until Adam/1.0 where a single suspect on Lethal Obsession has gas immunity

to this day, there's 2 gas mask suspects on Lethal Obsession and only 1 of them is immune to gas lul

[astral warren]

CS Gas just didn't really work early on, so that may have been it.

amazon prime sirloin

[bitter mason]

lmaaaoooooo

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if it’s for bounce reasons, but like I don’t know stuff like this just really makes me weirded out by the game

[stone bay]

yeah, the Multiplier is fucked, but as long as his head is removed from the equation i'm fine with it tbh. i'd also guess since it's AP it' not meant to expand on impact and with the sheer force of the bullet it cleans right through where as JHP would massacre

[ionic gale]

Like I’m not asking for the game to be a completely hard-core tactical simulator, but still

[stone bay]

1 of them has a Ebay gas mask or sumn

or one of them poor quality made in china kid gas masks

[crude prism]

Funny enough, my first contributions to this game as a supporter during NDA times was bug reports for helmets/armor not working properly at all

(still not fixed kekw)

[astral warren]

No, the multiplier is fixed now, actually the headshot multiplier is x6 for EVERYTHING except for beanbags, which set suspect health to 0 (lol), and 12ga slug/buck, which only has a 3x damage multiplier, as everything did previously, except for AP 7.62x51. Still, it's just really silly that the largest non expanding round in the game did LESS headshot damage compared to everything else.

[toxic palm]

specially with a longer barrel like the g3

[astral warren]

barrel length does not matter in this game

[small sparrow]

why did they make it so you can't kill more than one of your own swat ai

[astral warren]

everything except beanbags and pepperballs are hitscan

[ionic gale]

I imagine that if it does well and like that’s a step closer to this game becoming a hard-core tactical simulator of some sorts

[stone bay]

tbh they all kill with a headshot so having to have diff MP is kinda weird

one round will fuck up your face, another will clean right through

[crude prism]

it makes sense when you don't want single buckshot pellets to insta-kill

[ionic gale]

Honestly, I don’t think I would like the game if it was super realistic and hard-core to the point that you need to put Tarkov levels of dedication in the game

[ionic gale]

This is just some thing that I think about

[astral warren]

Some headshots were surprisingly non lethal before after an AP round passed through a person. Flesh was the 3rd hardest material in the game prior to this update, so it could reduce the damage enough that a x3, or in 7.62x51 AP's case, x2, did not cause incapacitation or death.

Flesh may still be the 3rd hardest material, I just figured someone at VOID would have realized by now that that's fucking stupid.

[stone bay]

a realistic realistic game is a game that would sell poorly. we do not want realism to the best extent, it's a game, we want fun, we want challenges, we do not want to face a real life simulator

[bitter mason]

I have had suspects and even civs I think survive headshots that penetrated something before hand

a pretty gnarly sight

[crude prism]

It's not particularly ~unrealistic~, but it's definitely having some adverse effects when they could alternatively add a flag that says like "will never penetrate flesh" and add it to JHP rounds

[stone bay]

flesh being 3rd hardest is super ironic considering, if you didnt know, bullets can in fact pierce your flesh and kill you quickly

the MOST useless round i have ever used tbh is slugs, i mean it doesnt even do well aaginst armor as it said it would

[toxic palm]

not even for damage values?

[astral warren]

Literally this. Why not just forbid JHP from penetrating flesh, or if it does, it'll instead just use spalling damage from AP rounds, so you can safely shoot hostage takers with JHP rounds w/o punching holes in the hostage.

[astral warren]

The only thing barrel length does is make keeping the gun aimed harder when it's longer. The "increased velocity" thing it says for certain pistol suppressors is a crock of shit.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, there’s both sides of the spectrum that wants that experience, but there’s also people who think that the game is too fucking hard and want to be a mindless shooty…

This game needs to balance those type of user bases and of course it’s more easier said than done

[stone bay]

i want a proper armor killer not a stun

[crude prism]

slugs will 1 shot down* every suspect in the game except for the 10 or so people wearing lvl4 armor spread over 5 maps

[astral warren]

300blk ap fucks

Slugs are really good but they have a 10,000% arterial bleed chance, so avoid the upper arms and legs.

[stone bay]

true, i only use slugs in armor cases but even so 00 was better

[astral warren]

Buck gets at the limbs more, so it probably will feel better vs lvl 4 armour suspects.

[stone bay]

i always run JHP never AP since well JHP is cool

[crude prism]

12gauge buck is absurdly lethal because it has 2 instant-kill dice rolls on TOP of having really high raw damage

[astral warren]

JHP is cool but AP p e n e t r a t e s.

[stone bay]

00 has the great and neat thing of blowing limbs off

[astral warren]

I want them to return the ability to zipcuff headless suspects.

[stone bay]

well considering i aim for the head so i dont have to worry about them later, i quite enjoy JHP

[astral warren]

Police have handcuffed deader people before, I'm sure.

[ionic gale]

I luv 00 Buckshot

[astral warren]

Well, if you were trying to bring order to chaos, instead of creating widows and orphans, then you'd probably appreciate AP a lot more, you sick fuck.

lmao

[bitter mason]

real

I tend to prioritise headshots on suspects that are really being a pain, otherwise generally shoot centre mass if needed which is basically all the time

[toxic palm]

shoot for the groin

[astral warren]

If the first 2 torso shots don't at least stagger, then I go for the cranium.

[ionic gale]

Ngl

[toxic palm]

hits 11 civillians behind the target because over penetration

[ionic gale]

I run AP 5.56 a lot

[stone bay]

Welp i cannot say what i was abt to say ig

[bitter mason]

I think I've only really overpenned once and it resulted in my immediate execution
it was also on a random downed suspect while I was shooting the final suspect from the control tower on port

[stone bay]

Bruh my messages do NOT be loading tf

[ionic gale]

I shot off a suspects fingers accidentally lol

[astral warren]

These things, they happen.

Better a finger than a dingler.

[ionic gale]

Their fingers were bloody and I’m sure that if I was aiming a little little bit more down, I would’ve like completely paralyzed in the left armed

[stone bay]

Honestly i shoot suspects before they see me. Because i know if i dont they’ll try to shoot me first

[bitter mason]

On one run I did on narcos I somehow managed to shoot a civvies hand when headshotting a suspect that took them hostage.

[stone bay]

Does it go against ROE? Yeah. Do i care? Nah

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I understand that these are suspects that are very dedicated into just making the police fuck off but there’s no need fire at me and my boys

[astral warren]

The problem with modern policing summarized.

[bitter mason]

I was slightly lower down I suppose but the hit I got was light right in the forehead
so jfk magic bullet

[ionic gale]

These are some really dedicated crackheads if they’re willing to fire at police, even though they know what’s gonna happen to them

[bitter mason]

the issue with ready or not's AI summerized

[stone bay]

I mean tbh. If they’re armed i cannot risk revealing my position and rather than asking for compliance just shoot them to remove the possibility of a shootout

[astral warren]

Uh oh, censorship!!!

[bitter mason]

the sumoslide word cannot be spake

[stone bay]

At least it isnt E.A. AI anymore…

[astral warren]

This mentality works until you kill people in their own home for holding a firearm. This is the United States, sir, not Mainland China, get that straight.

[ionic gale]

Thankfully, I have gone a lot more arrest this recent update

[bitter mason]

yeah but its still little improvement on the actual gameplay
just less BS

[stone bay]

That’s fine but holding a firearm in your house when police comes knocking isnt quite…right

[astral warren]

You don't knock, you break and enter because you have a search warrant.

Also any home intruder can claim to be a police officer, you know, right?

[full thistle]

you never know, y'know?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, especially with SWAT doing in the arrest warrant, they’re not gonna be all polite. Usually, they’re just going to go in and get the suspect as quickly as they can without casualties, of course ;-:

[toxic palm]

thing is, we are SWAT, and every mission we play, we are told that, negotiations have gone awry, and suspects are refusing to respond

[stone bay]

Usually there’s big flashy sirens outside? Idk

[ionic gale]

Damn, I guess every fucking suspect in Los Sueños is that dedicated into doing what they’re doing

[stone bay]

Also most home intruders dont really come knocking since most are thickos. We dont hear as much abt smart folks

[toxic palm]

it be

[ionic gale]

They got determination. I’ll give them that.

[astral warren]

"Having those lights on your car is illegal so you can't do it!!!!!!" Also to banned and muted this seems like a massive narrative copout on the developer's part to easily and quickly setup scenarios. There is very little information given, and some of it is completely incorrect, such as with 23mbs.

It just makes me go ??? after the mission is done.

[toxic palm]

that is true aswell

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Michael would’ve gotten a call by police negotiators and I’m pretty sure he would’ve been really confused on why they’re asking him to give up the hostage situation

[astral warren]

Writing is subpar and the game's narrative purpose is self defeating through the gameplay the player is subjected to.

[stone bay]

Some of the game’s narratives are weird but they needed a tie to the lore ig. A quick one

[astral warren]

Yes, but doing that weakens the rest of the story and narrative consistency significantly. I understand they wanted to release the game with enough levels, and a a - z plot, but they really NEEDED more levels, because things happen so quickly in the game's story I struggle to try and keep up with the chronologically fuckered narrative.

Some things happen seemingly for no reason at all, like streamer.

[stone bay]

I think more base game levels to tie with 23 MB would be useful. Tbh, we dont have too much main game explanations or it isnt as heavily detailed

[astral warren]

It's just, "we need a double chin neckbearded streamer to have cheese pizza polaroids in his drawer after someone swatted him and there were a bunch of armed gangsters in the complex for some reason because plot!!!"

Like, jesus fucking christ, dude, have your kid write up a narrative, it'd be more compelling.

[stone bay]

A streamer having illicit images of children is…to 2024’s standard quite spot-on but i’s have loved if Michael was in affiliation with some hacker group who exploits children online for things and you can tie in another mission these guys to Mindjot for example

[toxic palm]

yeah i dont know why its not just a swatting mission

[ionic gale]

Honestly, I wonder what would have been if Void went the SWAT 4 route of story

As in there wasn’t really a story in SWAT 4 each mission was kind of their own self-contained adventure of some swords

[astral warren]

Yes, but nobody is shot for having that, or even prosecuted usually, so WHY THE FUCK was Michael so fucking special?

[toxic palm]

i guess because they wanted to fully tie into the whole human trafficking ring?

[stone bay]

Idk…biggest lead to Mindjot? It’s not clear why Michael is the prime suspect (could be the PC mining)

[astral warren]

There's probably a reason SWAT did that, and there's a reason VOID should have done that, but they released the game with this narrative, and now they have to try and unfuck it, which I don't know is practically possible.

[ionic gale]

Yeh ;-;

[stone bay]

The entire child exploitation lore part is confusing at the start. The michael thing doesnt really make sense, Mindjot and Amos Voll is fine but there’s so much left to unpack even if it’s done (i just recently learned about the barrel thing and that’s FUBAR)

[astral warren]

The barrel thing they totally didn't pull out of their greasy asshole at the last second...

[toxic palm]

with michael we just happen to find out he is a lead to thee child exploitation stuff

[stone bay]

Home Invasion is also a bit weird like…we have no pre-mission to Narcos to explain that undercover so we just take it as is?

[ionic gale]

When I found out about the barrels in Voll’s basement uh yeah I was about to be judge jury and executioner right there

[astral warren]

VOID should quit larping as Steven King tbh, it's tiring.

[sacred temple]

Why are AI officers so stupid?

[stone bay]

Wasnt it in the first adoption of VOTD? Or were the barrels added later? I also think like why was amos voll keeping them there why not make a seperate map with the missing children in like some secret underground prison system

[sacred temple]

I was trying to S-Rank Relapse, was so close to the end, and then one of my AI teammates got his dumbass killed by standing in front of an enemy and letting them shoot him/

[stone bay]

There’s so many mission ideas to make the plot lines have sense. But it’s really underfinished

[ionic gale]

I have said this before I’m not asking for the game to have fucking Stephen King levels of narrative, but it needs to have a pretty alr narrative to make sense because there’s lots of contradictions and other crap about this

[astral warren]

leaded fuel and diets high in refined sugar

[astral warren]

That's what I was wondering, obviously he makes films with them, and then disposes of them, but surely he would have some fresh ones chained up somewhere, right???

[ionic gale]

Judge is my only favorite swat officer of S platoon lol

[stone bay]

It needs sense tbh. I think for it to make sense it needs to have coherent stories. Some of them look like last min additions or missions that dont add much to the story other than “just capture this guy for whatever”

[ionic gale]

Judge, especially in Sullivan slope has shown that he may be a key part of whatever story this game is trying to tell

[sacred temple]

TBH I don't think the game even "needs" an overarching story. Just come up with plausible one-off missions.

Not everything needs to be deep or profound. It's just trying too hard, TBH.

[noble pasture]

We have those

[stone bay]

It’s also…why not just have them locked up? He just kills them and dumps them afterwards? Why were they at Amos’s in the first place instead of Brixey? Like it doesnt make sense ehy they’d be at Amos’s

[sacred temple]

Like what? All the missions in the game tie into other missions as part of the weird overarching plot.

TYCA ties into Twisted Nerves, ALO ties into the weird USIA plotline,

[noble pasture]

Meth House is one off, it leads nowhere

[sacred temple]

yeah but it's tied to TYCA

[stone bay]

The only kinda coherant storyline is The Hand line but even that would’ve needed a prequel story like you find a FOB of The Hand and they find plans for an attack on the nightclub but that attack is undergoing and they have to rush there as First Resps

That storyline could’ve def had major expansion

[noble pasture]

Cause one of the suspects wanted to go there, but most of the intel comes from another guy

[ionic gale]

I guess judging by the look of then house Amos was tipped off about the raid, and I guess he tried to bury all of the evidence

[sacred temple]

the only actual 100% one-off is Elephant.

Every other mission has a tied to at least one other mission.

[ionic gale]

I mean, I don’t know why he’s trying to destroy the evidence we already know that he’s fucked

[stone bay]

The main question for me is why were the kids even there? I mean he is a dirty bastard who has kiddie photos but why were all of them there? Why not hidden away

[ionic gale]

Idk ;/;

[stone bay]

Like how did 5-10 children magically land at his place and get killed there? IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

[sacred temple]

I think VOID is just trying too hard with their concepts TBH.

[stone bay]

I’m majorly confused on some story aspects

[ionic gale]

Yeah, like I said before they could’ve gone the SWAT 4 route and have virtually no story with every mission kind of having their own little self-contained plot

[sacred temple]

They made "rich person CP murder den" and that was the whole thing, they didn't make it make sense.

[stone bay]

Every story imo would need a introduction, then 2 stories that lead to the finale then end it with a 4th mission as finale

[sacred temple]

They wanted to make a horror mission and then had to make it fit the rest of the plot somehow,

[sacred temple]

Or just do what SWAT 4 did. Singular, isolated missions that are entirely their own self-contained story.

[stone bay]

Repeat that with 5 stories and you’re good to go (Elephant is the perfect 1 off mission as it’s unexpected and doesnt need background missions)

[sacred temple]

SWAT 4 had great ambience and made each mission its own isolated story without tripping over its own shoelaces like this game does.

[covert fossil]

how to own the home invasion dlc?

[sacred temple]

I like RON but the plot just kinda makes my eyes glaze over because it's so clearly cobbled together. Mission briefings aren't even consistent with the mission contents, there are typos everywhere, missing capitalization, missing punctuation,

[stone bay]

Buy it

[covert fossil]

where? bc i dont see it steam store

[sacred temple]

They couldn't even be bothered to capitalize "Coastal Grove Medical Center" in the subtitles

and also don't mention the bombs in the briefing for either mission with bombs,

They go on and on about the officers in COTV but they don't even show up in the mission,

[stone bay]

If you look at missions as their own independent stories it’s super fun and tbh thrilling. I dont really like paying attention to lore if i dont do Commander

[stone bay]

Should be there if you go on the Ready or Not steam page in the DLC section

[sacred temple]

SMH VOID should just hire me, I've got writing experience...

[covert fossil]

only soundtrack

[ionic gale]

I heard that apparently the game wanted to capture the weirdness of information given by police by having the briefing sort of be unreliable of some sorts

[stone bay]

Weird.

[sacred temple]

I mean, that doesn't explain the officers just... not being there

[stone bay]

I have 0 writing experience and most of my yap is total bullshit but i could write you a novel if i wanted

[ionic gale]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3015760/Ready_or_Not_Home_Invasion/?snr=1_16_16_creator_curator-tabs&curator_clanid=36750080

I don’t know how this link could help you but this is it

[sacred temple]

Like, I think that's just an excuse for the fact that the Devs didn't actually bother to keep their writing consistent with the level design.

[stone bay]

Istg i could come up with a proper relatable plot that makes sense and also conflicts with real life issues that addresses rhem

[covert fossil]

ty

[stone bay]

For RoN there’s 2 options, either you make a good story but make smaller maps and therefore more or you make solo stories with 1 big ass map or even 2

[sacred temple]

They came up with the idea to have bombs in the hospital, implemented it, and then forgot to make the briefing match. They created the Vineyard level, realized they needed a reason for the cops to be there, and then just invented the officer thing, but never bothered to go back and add them to the level.

[ionic gale]

Ye ur welcom

[stone bay]

I enjoyed E.A RoN because the maps we’re not Lore based, they were their own thing

[silver palm]

Entry Team, blast your way in

[stone bay]

Old Port, Old Farm. Both of my favs bcs they were cool designed and just simple

It’s not some overcomplex Ubisoft plot it’s just go in, clear the area and get out

[sacred temple]

Also, I wish every mission wasn't so... like, egregious. We aren't ever just serving warrants to dangerous individuals like in SWAT 4. We're never stopping random crimes. We're always defeating secret societies or super-terrorists or whatever.

Like, SWAT 4's first mission was "go arrest this random murderer."

[stone bay]

The Veterans mission is really meaningful tbh

[sacred temple]

I'm not talking Vets 1. I'm talking Vets 2.

[stone bay]

That and 4U gas station are simple in plot

[sacred temple]

Sins of the Father is kinda silly IMO. Rogue Secret Service terrorist conspiracy to execute the family of the Senator they just shot inside of a massive art-deco hotel?

[stone bay]

Good plot for a movie tbh

[sacred temple]

Also, again, writing inconsistencies! Because you rescue the family in the mission but the post-mission evidence notes that the terrorists recorded the execution of the family.

[acoustic ridge]

why are swat first responding to secret service issues instead of more secret service

[ionic gale]

When I play that mission, I cosplay my boys as FISA HRT ngl

Federal agents going against rogue federal I’m agents was my little story

[stone bay]

Tbh it’s Internal and S.S dont wanna kill S.S so they gotta get SWAT in to do the work

[ionic gale]

Damn, I could even dress up the Secret Service’s CAT team to go in and fuck shit up

But meh

[sacred temple]

Also inconsistencies with the briefing because the briefing mentions them being taken hostage and the terrorists threatening to execute them if you alert them, but they don't have them as hostages--they're just hidden across the map as regular civilians, and the terrorists don't do shit to them.

They should've had them all as civilians in a single room with guns to their heads, forcing the player to flank the hostage-takers

[ionic gale]

[stone bay]

I wish they could do like the hostage rescue missions back in the E.A where you got a few roamers then a room full of hostages and suspects where you gotta save em all

Remember when you had mission choices? I miss that sm

Diff missions and diff ROE’s

[sacred temple]

The real answer is that VOID needs an internal shared document for their mission details so as to make sure their writing / mission design is consistent.

[stone bay]

Dude that was like peak RoN activity. Now it’s just only Barricaded suspects and same roe

[sacred temple]

Or to just chill with the high-concept stuff and focus on the missions that had good ambience and were realistic (ie. TYCA, Elephant.)

[rain drift]

tbf tho like nobody played anything but barricaded suspects

[acoustic ridge]

its all barricaded, elephant is only active shooter mission iirc

[ionic gale]

I heard people have problems with non-lethal

[sacred temple]

Even Elephant is technically Barricaded Suspects. It just has special Suspect AI.

[stone bay]

That’s cuz like 2 maps had diff variations lol most were only B.S and that sucks

[ionic gale]

Elephant is a map that you have to practically go fast with

[sacred temple]

Elephant is easy to non-lethal if you just play it fast. I have it S-Ranked.

[acoustic ridge]

i mean they are actively shooting people, seems like an active shooter to me

[ionic gale]

It’s more on a timer

[stone bay]

Honestly we should get the choice of mission for more replayability. Like doing B.S all day is bland

[sacred temple]

Yeah, but the game labels it "Barricaded Suspects". It just has Suspect AI code that makes the Suspects kill civilians.

[stone bay]

Like the Raid mission variant was gung-ho ROE and you were weapons free

[sacred temple]

Check the Commander Mode briefing. It has a mission type note for each mission, but all of them--including Elephant--are listed as Barricaded Suspects.

[acoustic ridge]

also with elephant why dont civillians hide? active shooter running around and civillians are standing around in the library

[stone bay]

Now it’s just the same thing over n over. We had 4 mission types now became 1

[rain drift]

we had like 5 or 6 iirc

[full shore]

The old hostage rescue and bomb threat were incomplete af tho

[stone bay]

Most people can’t afford risking to try and save their lives to escape so they stay still. Not everyone has survival instincts

[rain drift]

(and not fun)

[sacred temple]

I also wish that for AS missions, the Suspect AI was more aggressive with larger quantities of civilians. You shouldn't be required to keep all civilians alive, but merely to take out the shooters as quickly as possible to mitigate the damage.

[stone bay]

Yeah but they could’ve been improved upon rather than just thrown into the bin and added as objectives to 1 mode

[acoustic ridge]

i also find it pretty weird that some civillins dont try to run to exits thenselves, pretty sure the active shooter survival guide is run>hide>fight

[sacred temple]

For example, instead of four shooters on Elephant, there's one or two--but those one or two are highly aggressive, highly mobile, and highly erratic. There are crowds of civilians and they start killing instantly. Instead of being graded on number of civilians killed, you're graded on mission completion time.

[acoustic ridge]

it would be funny to see civillians throwing hands with the active shooters imo

[stone bay]

If you wanna run at a 5.56 be my guest. Tbh taking down the shooter and hunting them is the most heroic act one can do in that situation

[sacred temple]

They know the building by heart due to familiarity and can move across it quickly to hunt civilians. They will avoid SWAT as best they can and avoid confrontation.

[stone bay]

The 3-4 shooters are spaced out. Take 1 out and that’s a rifle in your hands

[sacred temple]

If forced into a confrontation, they will try to shoot to disperse you, then flee down another path.

What do y'all think as for the idea?

[acoustic ridge]

then swat shows up and thinks you are the active shooter they are looking for

[stone bay]

I also heard that the mimic a cry for help sometimes and when you go for the save it’s the actual suspect like that’s genius AI

[rain drift]

that is a really stupid idea lol

[sacred temple]

Oh, this is my suggestions for what they should do.

None of what I just suggested is in the game yet.

[full shore]

That's why ROE is strict. Would be cool if that actually happened in game tho so we don't just shoot anyone holding a weapon

[stone bay]

SWAT takes time to arrive so in a case of alone for 5 mins taking 1 out and hunting at least 1 is good for me

[rain drift]

cringe

[acoustic ridge]

if you have that time just run away lol

[full shore]

Yeah locking yourself up in a classroom with an active shooter going room to room doesn't sound smart lol

[stone bay]

Not many people would even try to move

[proven blade]

nah bro i give up on trying to get medal of valor, it broke, i did really get 18/18 s ranked

[crude prism]

the old gamemodes (hostage/active shooter) were unplayable and anyone that says otherwise is coping/misremembering

[ionic gale]

Hey

[stone bay]

Raid was fine tbh. The rest were a mess

[proven blade]

so i have every bse ron medal except for coyote and hanged man

[rain drift]

this so true

[full shore]

Raid was just loose ROE. So basically "easier" mode

[stone bay]

Idc. The name sold me

[crude prism]

Barricaded/Raid/Bomb were all good. I understand why they wouldn't want to keep Raid as a mode for commander, but I'm kinda sad they took away the alt-map variants with different enemies/ruleset/etc

Every map having (at least) a version of Barricaded/Raid/Bomb would be really nice for replayability/variety

[stone bay]

If you dont care of score any mode is easy mode lol

[full shore]

True

The real score is how content you feel after your run 🥲

[stone bay]

Yeah. Like having a bomb defusal for the Neon Tomb map where the bombs are the vests for example

Adding small modes to expand objectives would make the entire game much more fun

Like the objectives are save these guys, kill these guys, fetch this and that and it’s an honest day’s work

[rain drift]

hard agree

[livid sluice]

On active shooter maps, instead of telling someone to get down it should auto tell them to get out of the building

Also they need civies to actually try and hide from shooters or criminals, and not be in the line of fire so much

[rain drift]

that sounds real annoying and potentially expensive of processing to program

the ai takes enough power as is

[noble pasture]

And run into the shooter? Bad idea

[livid sluice]

You can already tell people to run out the building and I’ve never had one of them shot

It would just be the same thing but as soon as you interact with me it tells me to get out

[shrewd oriole]

So happy that we got an OST instead of bug fixes. Thanks void

[vocal night]

i doubt ost guy also works as a bug fixer

[shrewd oriole]

I could mostly contend with not great frame rates but constant freezing truly is the RoN experience

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah probably but still, should of staged it off til it's fixed. Just tryna grind that cash flow

[dense quest]

bro it annoyed me so much that we're not actually rescuing a trapped officer in carriers of the vine

when the briefing of the mission literally states that as the goal of the mission basically

[vocal night]

i see the mission briefings as lore only

because they dont match up most of the time

[shrewd oriole]

Briefings should tie into gameplay and give you and understanding of what your facing off against like in SWAT 4.

They tried and failed and bringing SWAT 4s lore tied in with useful information and fell flat

[sacred temple]

I think Active Shooter should have more civilians and replace the "rescue all civlians" requirement with "damage mitigation (complete mission as fast as possible; S-Rank being only a few minutes), with the shooters killing way more often.

Make it feel like an actual active shooting as opposed to barricaded suspects who occasionally killa person.

[shrewd oriole]

Probably be more fun. But if your good enough you could probably S the mission with all civvies dead

Should atleast need 2-4 alive to S.

Especially with how drawn out and spacious it is.

[sacred temple]

I mean, that's why the time limit would be so tight. 1-2 shooters only but they're constantly killing people. Lots of civilians to compensate.'

[covert fossil]

wich button to press to go out of ads? and switch to no ads? kinda ishy?

like you put the weapon to the side.

[sacred temple]

Shooters could also look exactly like civs.

instead of bringing a fucking gas mask and ballistic armor like the ones in Elephant for some reason

[shrewd oriole]

RoN has somehow refused to make suspects look like civvies for most levels (for some reason)

[vocal night]

you can also differentiate with voicelines that ones a bummer too

[sacred temple]

Honestly, I think they originally intended there to be only two suspects on Elephant--Archie Zem and Albert Liu--but changed it.

[shrewd oriole]

It's 4 now right?

[sacred temple]

Because most of the lore around that only mentions those two .

[sacred temple]

Yeah. Archie Zem, Albert Liu, Chase, and Jake.

[shrewd oriole]

Should of only been 2.

[sacred temple]

(His name is redacted in the evidence but suspects will occasionally mention Jake when calling for help during restrain).

[sacred temple]

I think it was intended as such, but we know VOID was concerned about comparisons to Columbine/actual school shooters.

[umbral oar]

they were buried

[sacred temple]

No LMAO, the graves are for their members

it's just lazy writing/level design

[umbral oar]

ok then

[near viper]

please tell me the devs know about how little the AI follow your commands after the new update and how many times they do their own thing now, it's so much more frustrating now than before

[sacred temple]

yeah it's really bad lmao

[near viper]

I wonder what about the update specifically made them listen less its weird

and I love how you tell them to breach and clear and only one of them decides to open the door and run in

[native rune]

That issues been in the game for awhile, just keeps getting buried under more and more crossed coding wires probably.

Nothings really been done to address it

[waxen bay]

wondering if you knew more about the 50% chance (or the "Default chance for officer to be dead after mission is 50%" part of the traits spreadsheet). Does 1 paramedic decrease that default dead chance to 0% for any officer that is downed, or decrease it from the default 100% to 50%?

[proven blade]

when is the romania update

[frail quartz]

I think it's fine for the suspects to have unique clothing on that map, they were just after the sadistic pleasure of killing people and they wanted to go all-out on it

I have to agree that the gasmask is out of place, though.

[rain drift]

i feel like they worse a gas mask cos they thought itd be 'cool' and have no idea what they are actually doing

[sacred temple]

Man, AI is so dumb. They don't even check their fucking corners.

[sacred temple]

I more mean for my proposal. ie. Fewer suspects, much higher civilian numbers. It's not specifically for Elephant but just as an AS mode idea in general.

[frail quartz]

Edgelords bein edgelords, amirite or amirite?

[crude prism]

should've been in big leather dusters

[sinful sapphire]

THANKS ZACK BOWER FOR EXIST

[umbral oar]

yeah we love that guy

[rain drift]

broskis i need help

i need ONE container on port hokan and literally cannot find it, theres no guide online either to where they can potentially spawn

this is so miserable

nvm found it

[rustic robin]

o

[stone bay]

it would be realistic to have the 4u gas station robbers to have a shitty draco ak pistol or a glock with a switch on it

so their accuracy is thrown out the window

[lone raven]

A 3D printed boltgun.

[stone bay]

nah

it wont be 3d printed

its gonna be a glock they stole from a car or something

[static wigeon]

I wish the ai teammates don’t shoot me after I oofed a civilian

[proven blade]

Oh my god why do my teammates shoot me after I murder an innocent person??? God this game is unplayable

[static wigeon]

Teammates fails to understand war.

[leaden crag]

FR

[leaden crag]

used to be different..... back when the game was good

[static wigeon]

Yeah I know, I played SWAT 4 before. No one survives after a mission

[sturdy atlas]

for the wild west achievement, do i have to give my whole team only .357's or just myself

[river tide]

just you

[sturdy atlas]

and do i have to keep them from killing suspects or is it fine if they do

[river tide]

they can do it for you if you want

it doesnt matter aslong as youre not using your primary

[sturdy atlas]

ok thanks

wait i can use a riot shield for the wild west achievement right?

[boreal fossil]

for S rank do you have to not incapacitate suspects?

[toxic palm]

aye, beanbag is the way essentially

[frail quartz]

Yes, all suspects and civilians have to be restrained and conscious

[boreal fossil]

just shot a man in the head with a beanbag 😎

he tanked a stinger and kept shooting brah

[jolly verge]

1 paramedic will always save 1 officer (change KIA to Incapacitated), without it chance for KIA is 50% after mission

[earnest shell]

Always went for the VKS. Especially on your own AI, so they don't execute them by an accidental headshot. + With the VKS you can shoot at the ground and it won't count as an unauthorized use of force

[waxen bay]

thanks again! one more question, for the last port hokan of a ironman run would you go armorer/nutritionist/negotiator/negotiator or armorer/veteran/negotiator/negotiator (or maybe something else)? +25% health seems good since no downs are allowed for some reason, but not sure how many more effective shots a nutritionist adds to a swat ai's health

[jolly verge]

First is good, i don't think 1 veteran would do much, and give them sa58, so they will oneshot all suspects

[tall spruce]

Are there any mods that allow you to play from the headcam?

[sacred temple]

man postal is so easy to beat when you go lethal

[static wigeon]

There used to be before the update

[shy tulip]

There has never been a mod to play from the headcam, there is reshade to make it look like you are playing from your bodycam*

playing from your actual bodycam/headcam would be a nightmare

[wet forge]

void interactive .. add a byrna....

so that way i don't have to completely exhaust my secondary ammo if i want to run a less lethal

[noble pasture]

is getting injured but getting an A+ good?

got hit twice during Gast station

Suspect AI in the timeframe it took me to land a shot center mass he shot me in arm and leg

[lone raven]

Lol

[noble pasture]

who keeps giving crack heads perfect aim?

[lone raven]

I've had mixed results on gas

[noble pasture]

second crackhead gets me to bleeding after he did a 180 degree turn

[lone raven]

Had them try shoot through the cashier security window, miss about 20 shots

[noble pasture]

in the timeframe I had to yell at him to surrender

[lone raven]

Real good crack

[swift crystal]

Does having a tactical shield on the back of your operator prevent you from getting the 'Way Out West' achievement?

[noble pasture]

holding it on your back? No. Using it? Yes

[swift crystal]

RIP, idk why the achievement is working, I don't wanna resort to mods just to achieve it after I've already scored it

[noble pasture]

or do what I did

dont take shields but rather breaching shotguns (wont have to use them), heavy armor and let your bots clear the map

[swift crystal]

Yea, not worst idea ay

Achievements work in single-player non-commander mode, right?

Nah, I was able to get achievements in Multiplayer, it's how I S-tiered the Home Invasion DLC + 'Beat Cop' achievement

[waxen bay]

random q, but 2 civilians died on relapse due to the enemy killing them on my ironman run, should i exfiltrate? almost done with the level but i dont have sbags or moral officer with me, dont want any officers resigning. they started at content

[tacit tiger]

alright so im not complaining but i never purchased home invasion DLC and it gave me the DLC? says i own it now

nevermind they trolled me

[lone raven]

They picked you out. Congratulations.

[waxen bay]

just an update, it turned out ok, i guess i arrested enough suspects they didnt even change from content. also it probably only hurts if you personally shoot the civilian, not sure whether swat or the suspect shot the civis but they were hostages so it could've been either way

[acoustic ridge]

the world if swat ai aimed at people taking human shields instead of magdumping them

[upbeat wadi]

I've heard they revamped directional sound, should I keep my dolby atmos on or turn it off?

[tacit gull]

That probably doesn't affect it

[bitter mason]

Dolby what now?

[waxen bay]

thanks for all the help, finished my world/hermit/dev watch run after ~9 hours 40 minutes

[jolly verge]

👍

[noble pasture]

Raider x 320 should be good for Ides of March no?

[jolly verge]

Well with 9mm AP you will need around 4 body shots to incap suspects, so it's not really good

[tacit gull]

Not quite sure but i think it's a software that simulates 7.1 surround sound for headphones

I personally don't really like that sort of stuff, sounds way too echo-y for me

[upbeat wadi]

usually it does

[noble pasture]

If I yell once at a suspect and he still is hesitant. I can shoot him no?

[bitter mason]

I dont think so
Just tase them if you got a taser

hesitating rn is nothing but an open window to taze

[tacit gull]

If they're visibly hesitating you're not allowed to shoot

[noble pasture]

He was talking shit

[bitter mason]

they always do that means nothing

civilians will talk shit to you until you step slightly closer and then they give up pleading for help
the dialogue isnt very reliable for reading the situation

[tacit gull]

Honestly kinda wish they had dialogue based on if their morale was deteriorating

[bitter mason]

would help a lot

[jolly verge]

if suspect hesitate and you shoot it's will give you unauthorized use of force

[bitter mason]

its weird having suspects one second yelling "NO Ill never surrender you're gonna have to kill me" then the next dropping their weapons without a word

[upbeat wadi]

so far for civilians just having 3+ dudes in the room with them yelling at them was enough

[noble pasture]

Can I dm you? @jolly verge

[bitter mason]

usually is on most maps
dorms and sometimes meth seems to have actually uncompliant civvies now tho
but usually the detection seems weird for yells
NPCs seem to just yell their non-compliant voice lines weather or not they are detecting the compliance check sometimes

[noble pasture]

I need your feedback on a mission I have done

[jolly verge]

ah, sure

[tough edge]

Creepiest ron mission in your opinion?

and saddest

[bitter mason]

hard to say because they all try to one up eachother

or atleast all try a bit too hard in some ways imo

Neon Tomb is probably the most unnerving for me when I first played it tho

[tough edge]

I'd say carriers of the vines is the creepiest and saddest is ends of the earth.

Considering that we, the player practically ruined multiple lives. in ends of the earth.

And in carriers of the vine is creepy considering how brainwashed the people are and the cult being taken so seriously to the point they'd kill.

[bitter mason]

I find it hard to feel bad for the brothers in Ends of the earth since they shoot at you like any other suspect
if they hid around the level more and werent as aggressive I'd feel bad

[tough edge]

Yep

But they're young teens.
They dont know shit

[covert thicket]

wow just started ron again and i had 80 frames afterthe engine update and now 130 frames

[tough edge]

Fair enough, but they were probably too startled to think about shit, I mean you have guns in hand and a swat team with guns and armor rushes into your home, wouldnt you be scared?

[bitter mason]

not really. the youngest is probably a teen but the others are 20s for sure
I always figured the eldest should be the least aggressive, the middle child with the tank top being the most and the youngest being a bit more unpredictable. But generally they should hide around the house and leave the shooting to the cartel guys
hell I think it would be kinda interesting if the cartel guys can take some of the brothers hostage

I dont even think they should spawn with the guns they have
would be neat if there was some SMGs in the attic they can run and grab if they're feeling brave or yknow, extra stupid

[tough edge]

That would be a neat detail

[covert thicket]

the human brain isnt fully formed till 23 so yea even 20 year old should count into teens are dumb

[tough edge]

They do say lines like "Dont TOUCH my fucking parents"

So practically they just wanted to defend themselves and their parents

[bitter mason]

not that dumb tho lmao

[tough edge]

Fair

20 year olds are mature enough (sometimes)

[bitter mason]

I feel I matured way more past 18 than I was under 18
Im sure everyone is different tho

[covert thicket]

thats society that made you feel that way not your actual brain
but yea in the end everyone is diffrent theoretically you could have a fully formed brain with 3 (with that weird Illness that makes you age super fast) or it never happens bc of some other disability i think down-syndrome does that

[bitter mason]

ultimately it depends what year the game is set
pretty sure its modern day 2020s or so
so the eldest son, Anh would be 32 today
Thao would be 24
and Vinny would be 21
according to their date of births in the briefing assuming its M/D/Y

[covert thicket]

I think its set in 2026 but don't quote me on that there is definitely a poster or something that says the correct date

[bitter mason]

so they'd be slightly older than that then probably

[upbeat wadi]

the dates are wonky in this game, they have confirmed at least a few of them as oversights

[bitter mason]

I dont this immaturity really works as an argument for their terrible decision making

and ultimately its just terrible AI and lack of variation

[covert thicket]

something else that should be counted in tho is mental age aswell
i dont wanna get too personal but i am 19 but i cant even make myself breakfast due to multiple murder attempts on me
i can see someone without an education or other terrible shit happening in their life do very bad shit

[upbeat wadi]

the whole point of that mission is they were basically forced into it by the city's being an absolute shitshow in every regard

[covert thicket]

but yea i really hope we get diffrent ai models for each "class"
normal people
semi Prepared one
and those like at the ones inthe shed thingy who are prepared and trained

[bitter mason]

yes I know that
but no one forced them to try to kill cops really
I hate how all of the suspect ai is completely lacking self preservation, even in these situations people wont always try to kill the cops and it just makes for boring gameplay when every suspect tries to kill you

[bitter mason]

yeah could easily be done with some form of skill level system
and maybe some personality tags
For example some could have a "coward" tag that makes them less aggressive and will flee and hide more a "Psycho" tag which makes them more likely to take hostages and be more aggressive. Stuff like that

[covert thicket]

oh that reminds me of a Video by Ryan MCBeth are you allowed to send links in here?

[bitter mason]

yea think so

[covert thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mny_TkmJ5Q&t=846s&pp=ygURcnlhbiBtY2JldGggZ2FtZXM%3D here he is talking about such a model
for example if you ahve multiple people in the same room they fight strogner but if you take one down the other is morel ikely to surrender also if hes alone they are more likely to surrender and such

[bitter mason]

I just always look at SWAT 4 SEF's ai for how much better it does some things. Suspects way less predictable and humanized feeling. And SWAT 4 has a skill level for suspects, with the higher the skill the more resistant they are to some morale damage and faster and more accurate they are with shooting

[covert thicket]

never played swat 4 im too young for that 😄 XD RoN is indeed my first step into realistic Swat games
i played a few rounds of siege but thats not realistic ad wasnt that much fun imo

[ripe zealot]

are there a lot of people that play with ai changes in public matches as host or something i keep getting hosts where theres like 4x the suspects

[bitter mason]

Id recommend it, you can pick it up on GOG for very cheap. I never grew up with it or anything either :p
But a lot of RON's influence comes from SWAT 4, but it does the whole being a swat guy way better. Suspects are way more varied, often running away rather than instantly trying to kill you. Coaxing surrenders feels way more reliable and satisfying, and you can finish most levels without firing a single lethal round without taking any damage if you play it right

[covert thicket]

yea that's the terrorist hunt mod super cool and challenging if you do it alone

[covert thicket]

oh yea i know that about the influence we also got a lot of modders adding Swat4 stuff (the project is called Swat or not kinda cute) i believe
i might even own it from Twitch prime i might have to install GOG galaxy again

[bitter mason]

I got RON after playing SWAT 4 but I always was put off by the videos people did of RON and just how much shooting there was in comparison

[bitter mason]

u should definitely give it a go if u do have it

[shy thicket]

Is there any fix for suspects just popping into existence when playing on maps with longer ranges. Even with max view distance they have a poor habit of suddenly rendering in or something catching me completely by surprise.

[stuck siren]

does weapon recoil affect the ai teammates in any way? or are they just as accurate with the sa58 as they are with any other rifle

cool, so things like muzzle brakes provide 0 bonus for them i guess

[noble pasture]

Does anyone use the 10mm mp5?

[jolly verge]

Nope, bots using accuracy cone, so only veteran trait will affect it

[upbeat wadi]

does AP ammo work as intended now? last time I played this game months ago it was broken and basically just lower damage JHP

[stuck siren]

does weapon length affect ai? i.e. shorter weapons have less trouble going around tight areas

[upbeat wadi]

nah that's one of the main complaints about AI behavior since forever: they can shoot any weapon no matter how close they are to another object

[jolly verge]

They working just fine since 1.0, not sure how it's was before it

[stuck siren]

damn, thats a shame

[stuck siren]

i'm guessing weapon recoil also doesn't affect how quickly the fire the weapon?

[upbeat wadi]

nah I started playing after 1.0, it was still broken

[jolly verge]

Ammo was not broken, idk what you mean, can you be more specific?

[upbeat wadi]

nope, they have the exact same accuracy using any gun in full auto far as I know

[jolly verge]

it's depend on range

[stuck siren]

if in a controlled environment, would the ai shoot the g36 and sa-58 at the same rate?

[upbeat wadi]

like I said: AP didn't have any armor piercing benefits, it was just JHP with lower damage

[stuck siren]

same distance to enemy

[jolly verge]

Yeap, since they both from rifle category

[jolly verge]

Nah, it's working just fine, like for example 5.56 JHP can't pen L3A vest, but AP can + level 4 armor as well

[upbeat wadi]

alright thanks

[stuck siren]

gotcha, what about smgs? would they be able to aim faster with smgs or is it the same across all weapons

[upbeat wadi]

same across all weapons

[jolly verge]

Just in case there is spreadsheet with all stats https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[stuck siren]

i'll have to check this out thanks

[jolly verge]

They shoot faster from smg, not sure about aiming

[upbeat wadi]

I don't think so, subjectively they'll go from zero to burst firing just as fast with a fuckin RPD as with an SMG

[noble pasture]

Voice Acting in this game is top notch, a civie on Spider said she should off herself after being cuffed

Writers didnt hold back, did they?

Also isnt it insinuated the kids on Spider get abducted to be shipped off to Voll?

[umbral oar]

yurp

[noble pasture]

I think I have killed at least 5 suspects on that map

3 lined up in the halway to the left of George's office

Lit them up, no remorse for the like of them

[noble pasture]

Where is Officer Garcia?

The female officer that has her partner killed during Carriers of the Vine

[bitter mason]

she doesnt exist

[tacit gull]

I think the writing is overly edgy and overdone sometimes

[bitter mason]

because void didnt do a good job of keeping the briefings consistent to the gameplay
The detective that survives dealer doesnt spawn at all despite having voice lines in the game files
non of the gas station robbers are unique so some can either spawn mutliple times or not at all, the same with sharla leighton who is also in the briefing.

[bitter mason]

I agree, theres almost no subtlety

[tacit gull]

I actually never had sharla spawn on gas, i thought it was lore that she ran off and got separated from her kid

[bitter mason]

it says in the briefing she hid somewhere in the gas station and we have to rescue her. She can spawn but she has no unique voice lines or objective tied to her

#1266894187098542140
☝️ I put a lot of the really dumb story inconsistensies here

[tacit gull]

Yeah, but even without the inconsistencies you have some stuff that just makes me cringe because of how bad it is, if it's the phone call on cheryessa, the evidence boxes of campus (or campus in general), the incredibly edgy bolton and secret service guys, etc.

[sharp dirge]

ur all nerds (respectfully)

[bitter mason]

yeah I dont think they did that good of a job
way too much shock value

[noble pasture]

If I could rewrite the story I would take out the cia experiments

[bitter mason]

yeah I wouldnt really bother on all the weird conspiracy stuff they're going for and tone down a lot of the edge
save the actual shock value stuff for the levels they are appropriate for and not cram it into almost every level

and make some of the characters less silly
like Voll, I'd just get rid of that stupid ass shrine room thing whatever it is

[tacit gull]

It's kind of hard to give a shit if every level is basically portrayed as "Oh, 20 children died? Just an average day in Los Suenos"

[bitter mason]

yeah lol

[tacit gull]

The city is so COMICALLY evil it has no punch

[bitter mason]

first level theres two dead civvies, one with his head literally blown off in graphic detail and a dead dog, also a child is there though unharmed. I understand wanting to start strong but its just honestly makes everything else less impactful if you have to keep jumping the shark

[tacit gull]

There's also the guy at the gas pumps, who got shot somehow

[tough edge]

Man

[bitter mason]

yeah, briefing photo shows him being shot by the robbers when they enter but he just kinda teleported to a different place

[tough edge]

I cleared out everything in 23 megabites a second and it doesnt show mission completed

Am I missing somethin?

[jolly verge]

Open tablet and see what you need to do

[tacit gull]

Did you get all the soft objectives?

[tough edge]

Nope, im tryna find what i missed

[bitter mason]

soft objectives?
one in the server room, one on the PC and one by his bedside desk

[tough edge]

Done. I cant find to report server farms

[bitter mason]

I missed the bedside table one when I first played
and I didnt even notice the implied CP on his computer because i assumed it was reporting the PC as in he was streaming, but there was no voice lines to go with it soooo

[bitter mason]

any of the servers should do really. Unless you already have it done

[tough edge]

Nevermind I did it

One sneaky server farm report button wasnt showing up

Does timing affect rating?

[tacit gull]

no

[bitter mason]

god imagine if it did...

[faint gazelle]

nah thankfully

[tacit gull]

can't be any worse than no officers injured

[pulsar socket]

i have been banned by an admin i need help

[orchid temple]

Do we already have Unreal Engine 5?

[jolly verge]

yeap

[orchid temple]

Nice.

[noble pasture]

FPS art gone

[orchid temple]

FPS art?

[fleet haven]

where is the engine.ini?

[noble pasture]

lost my ironman save cause a guy on ides igonred a bang

[stone bay]

still pretty early in the game though right

i forgor but im surprised you survived lethal obsession

[noble pasture]

ides of March is early?

[stone bay]

isnt it like the fifth mission

4u, san uriel, 213, spider, and lethal

wait no 7th mission

[noble pasture]

Kill anyone with a gun on an Ironman run?

[stone bay]

Yes

Use a fucking M249 or an RPD

[noble pasture]

caught an "Unauthorised use of force"

[static wigeon]

[noble pasture]

it was a -50, bastard lived

[brazen ibex]

Hello, I have a quick question. I just did the update for the dlc. It seems that the game is easier than before. Is this true ?

[noble pasture]

Suspect AI got tweaked

[brazen ibex]

It would be nice to have something to adjust the difficulty. I agree that the previous AI was too reactive. But now I just feel like I'm invincible and can run everywhere without dying

A difficulty selection that adjusts the damage you take and the "healing" mechanic wouldn't be bad, I think.

[noble pasture]

We got a heal for bleeds

[brazen ibex]

Yes. I know. But I find the mechanics too indulgent. So I'm saying that a difficulty that limits this action would be good, from my point of view.

[bitter mason]

try taking as many suspects in alive without using beanbags or pepperballs for a challenge rather than running around shooting everyone

[tawny fox]

guys is there anyway i can get a firstperson perspective in replay mode or a helmet cam

[bitter mason]

dont believe so unfortunately

[noble pasture]

So my guys are already anxious with first god damn mission. Do 23 MB a second S rank?

[tawny fox]

not possible with a mod even ?

[bitter mason]

I havent seen any mods for it myself

[bitter mason]

you can always go back to do gas station S rank to calm them down

[brazen ibex]

Um, I'm not sure why you say that. The approach I'm taking doesn't change the fact.

Before, If I played like a idiot without thinking -> I'd get beaten up quickly

Now -> the AI has trouble killing me and I stay alive by playing stupidly.

Before, if I played with a lethal weapon but wanted to play "clean" -> I knew the ia was strong, I stressed, I had sensations, I was paranoid etc etc. It was a good thing for my experience

if I do the same (using a lethale weapon but playing cleanly) with a weaker AI -> less difficulty, less stress, fewer surprises, it's easier to finish the mission with a good score. And I didn't get a thrill 🤔

[noble pasture]

Did they get anxious from the unauthorised use of force or that we incapped/killed every suspect?

[bitter mason]

I havent really played commander mode, but Im pretty sure your officers will get a stress value automatically depending on the mission
but killing will give them more stress.
If you go through every mission killing suspects they will get anxious quick

[tawny fox]

ah thats sucks, anyway thanks

[noble pasture]

Bullets go where you aim, no?

[bitter mason]

yeah pretty much, I do believe they come out of the barrel

[noble pasture]

I like how swat AI has believable lines now. They told a suspect "This isn't worth your life"

[toxic palm]

yeh

[dense quest]

The other day on brisa cove my ai started talking to the suspect about how the handcuffs are eco-friendly

[noble pasture]

I feel like swat AI doesn't want to kill suspects, they actually care

Why they give suspects such a window of opportunity to surrender

[jade apex]

I like how in the || hospital mission|| the SWAT || are incapable of moving hospital equipment blocking the doors||.

[noble pasture]

There are literal ||bombs planted||, we have no time to move those

Bricks of C4

[orchid temple]

... kick the carts?

[jade apex]

||Dude these are officers who have been in the force for decades I imagine they can move some equipment.||

[noble pasture]

A handful are, rest are recruits

[jade apex]

||Besides, it takes longer to walk past the equipment blocking the door then to move the equipment||

[jade apex]

Who are still in the SWAT, and it's also ||hospital beds and stuff||. If ||terrorists can move the beds in front of the doors then swat can move it away||

[noble pasture]

How do you think Judge knows ||how to defuse bombs||? GWOT experience?

[jade apex]

Sounds feasible

[small sparrow]

Um guys

apparently you can kick yourself with stingers

[jade apex]

Trap Amos Voll in a room. 10 stingers to the balls.

[sly nest]

i am modding my game and throwing in a bunch of 9 bangs instead

[jade apex]

[toxic palm]

good lord beanbag accuracy feels like shotguns in the average fps

[static wigeon]

Just blow his head and all his limbs Simple and dump all your rifle mags on his remains

[brazen ibex]

And they've reduced the number of suspects too ? No ?

[noble pasture]

Its cause it has travel time

[jolly verge]

No

[livid fulcrum]

this chat looks like an ad for CoD Black Ops wtf

[jade apex]

How so?

[balmy reef]

are NVGs always on now????

i cant get them off my character... suffering from success rn

[toxic palm]

the target is standing still

[jolly verge]

Reset loadout to default

[balmy reef]

already tried. nvgs are just bound to my skull even with no helmet

[toxic palm]

within 3 meters AND ITS MISSING, also jesus christ real life taser statistics of 25% success rate aitn a joke, useless ingame

[balmy reef]

i think i have to turn on gunfighter, get rid of the nvgs from my slots, and then turn it back off

been months since ive last touched my pc and forgot abt gunfighter

[jolly verge]

did you reenter locker after that?

[brazen ibex]

Ok thx

[balmy reef]

yeah

[jolly verge]

you dont need to since resetting loadout to default would do the same thing

if you still nvg on your head you either did not reset it properly or it's some other mod that enable it no matter what

[balmy reef]

putting it on default just gives me like.... some older version of my loadout. no mods btw

[balmy reef]

like exit locker then go back in? ill try that rn

[jolly verge]

yeah, it's wont apply like on character in loadout menu, only after you reenter it

[balmy reef]

makes sense. it worked thanks!!!!!

[stone bay]

10$ for the OST is crazy

[ionic gale]

Helo

[calm sun]

Is meldonin possible multiplayer or are there any quirks that prevent it in multiplayer?

I just did it with friends in under 5 all main objectives including the soft but didnt work

[jolly verge]

Only host can get achievement

[noble pasture]

Can be done in singleplayer too

[night pasture]

Most are 10 or 25

Re4s is almost 30 I think

[native rune]

Steam users when they find out they can YouTube the music for free

[night pasture]

For games I love trepang Ron and half life alyx I cop the ost but like it’s on Spotify lmao

[noble pasture]

I thought the OST was free

What are the devs spending their money on that they release a dlc and ost for money at same time?

[ionic gale]

Hey

[stone bay]

A quaint cottage in Somerset, England with a field full of sheep and a shed full of illicitly acquired firearms

[shy tulip]

For SE, yes

And the answer is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727276996090134590/1261758085593301023/NoumenonSec_-_1811981784994730226.gif

[stone bay]

Yeah, but why would I pay $10-25 bucks when I can just find the reposted ost on YouTube or Spotify

To support Void? Idk seems logic to be playing it on spotify but buying the ost has a special feel

Anyone can do what they want.

[balmy reef]

is there a spot in the game with heavy ambient occlusion? im tweaking my graphics settings and i cant tell the difference between low and epic AO

[bright herald]

Should add a thing to remove all equipped items from munition slots, I had a mod that gave me stuff and now I can't unequip them in No Mod gamemode.

[fervent gale]

Does anyone know, what the Red Dots are sighted in for? I just hit my second Suspect in the head with the beanbag because I didn't know how high to aim. Should I just use the Iron Sights?

[noble pasture]

How safe is the "Open and let leader first" in singleplayer?

Bots will peek in the room

[kind stag]

What are the requirements to peek a door? I click my button but it does not work. It just clicks. I know door is unlocked.

[noble pasture]

It means its locked, unlock it

[kind stag]

It says door is unlocked.

[noble pasture]

And if you press F near the handle it won't open?

[kind stag]

Yup. I just hear a click. There were times I unlocked the door and it still won’t check

[noble pasture]

Hmm, can you post a pic in media?

[toxic palm]

shot a guy twice in the chest with beanbag

nothing happend

[lone raven]

No one knows what anything is zeroed to.

[toxic palm]

that just sounds like a skill issue

[noble pasture]

100 meters

[lone raven]

You sure?

[noble pasture]

Same height over bore as Ground Branch, plus if it was zeroed to a more realistic distance like 25 meters height over bore would be much smaller

Maybe even unnoticeable

[lone raven]

Damn shame.

[candid palm]

hey yall, why can't i find any public game?

[calm sun]

Nvm did it, you can do it

Dont have to be host

[sturdy atlas]

do i get a friendly fire penalty if my team walks into my pepper ball smoke

[stone bay]

Pretty sure you don't, unless you're shooting your own team lol

[abstract folio]

Hi

[fervent gale]

Don't mean to spread any rumors, but is it possible, that you... missed?

[fervent gale]

Thanks, don't have much experience with optics but that sounds reasonable

[toxic palm]

literally impossible

[lone raven]

It's not the best

[toxic palm]

im standing still, theyre standing still, flashlight on their center, aiming down sights

[fervent gale]

Did you do it in a mission or to the prisoner in HQ?

[toxic palm]

mission

[lone raven]

32 yard zero would be sweet

[fervent gale]

Hm, Ive now S'd all but 4 missions and don't recall it ever having no effect

[fervent gale]

No I meant, that sounds like it's the correct number, like what it actually is in game

[toxic palm]

same, first time it did that

[lone raven]

Unfortunately for us

[fervent gale]

Ye, would be a dream if you could customize your guns that detailedly

I think I just made up that word, lets say precisely XD

[outer ingot]

In y’all’s opinion what would you say the best and most consistent AR in the game is?

[lone raven]

LVAR .300BLK

[fervent gale]

Ye agreed

Especially against armour

[proven axle]

Any particular characteristic for this rifle or just .300BLK in general

Do we have like-- genuine stats for final release btw.

I feel like the Magnum hasn't been any good since pretty far back in the beta, despite it doing absurd damage last time I really checked.

[fervent gale]

The calliber and the fact that It's integrally supressed which is cool 😎

[proven axle]

As much as I don't like SIG designs really, it's better than the BRN on moral grounds lol

I think I'll use the Daniel Defence carbine though.

[outer ingot]

Back in the beta I remember the ga416 being good but the lvar has replaced it?

[proven axle]

ga416 played the same as basically any AR, I thought

Are there stat differences between barrel lengths in final release ?

[outer ingot]

Do yall use hp or ap

[proven axle]

Honestly I'm not even sure it matters.

At least against player armour they seem to do the same stuff, so testing is awkward as a player.

[outer ingot]

Yea

[acoustic ridge]

i always use ap, im too lazy to swap ammo types for every mission

[fervent gale]

idk tbh but u got that professional flare

[outer ingot]

How do yall properly use the pepper ball gun It’s really inconsistent for me

[proven axle]

Huh ?

[fervent gale]

tbh I've never had a bullet overpenetrate and kill a civ

[proven axle]

Kinda seems like you don't.

[lone raven]

Don't think so

[proven axle]

Beanbag is pretty consistent.

[toxic palm]

AR like the ar-15 family or just assault rifle

[proven axle]

Beanbag carried my S ranks when the game came out.

Then I had to delete my save data which apparently affects unlocks MUCH TO MY CHAGRIN.

[toxic palm]

sr-16 or any .300blk for ar-15, and for assault rifle the paraFAL (sa58)

[proven axle]

I S-ranked Ides of March on release which was probably the most infurating experience I've ever had in this game.

Release AI was WACKY.

[toxic palm]

five hundred m249s

[fervent gale]

Idk about than, but when I played the level was quite fun

[outer ingot]

I remember how difficult ides of March was in beta

[toxic palm]

lethal obsession was hell, first because of how it used to run, second because you could get spawn peeked

[proven axle]

Hey wait I have something I should show you guys

[lone raven]

Apparently no ballistics, just height over bore, optics set "true straight"

[toxic palm]

sure

[proven axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481995698313625600/1266852353177419837/20240407_030751.png?ex=66b91cb1&is=66b7cb31&hm=ed1ae41fa816bffa6741902e18ccebeeca25bd1a4312481f7efda8b377d43294&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671

embed fail, etc.

level 2 kydex python holster

uhh this is related to RON because they use Kydex holsters and Pythons.

Holster was made by a French company that usually makes MR73 + MR88 holsters for French law enforcemnt.

[lone raven]

That's horrid, congratulations.

[proven axle]

If it's any consolation I'm actually doing a boomer battle belt setup for it.

Basketweaved leather swivel holster on a sally browne belt. Got a decent deal on an old Tex Shoemaker holster.

[lone raven]

Why? 🤣

[proven axle]

Fun + enjoyment

I kinda like the old law enforcement vibes

[lone raven]

Legit.

Old school cool.

[fervent gale]

Was refering to the aesthetics and associations of the 416

[proven axle]

Ah.

I don't really associate the HK416 with anything but militaries of the EU

[quick jacinth]

How are you just gonna forget about the navy seals using it

[lone raven]

Huh

[proven axle]

Easily.

[silk junco]

bip

[proven axle]

helo!

[proven axle]

do i kno u or are you just saying my name

[silk junco]

i am just saying your name
it was fun to type

[proven axle]

bip

sorry had to check

fair

[fervent gale]

Yeah many ct or sof units aswell

[toxic palm]

nice, also guys i have terrible news, the GIGN stopped issuing the mr73 .357 revolver as their standard issue around 2016?

they prolly still use it as a specialized revolver sniper tho

[proven axle]

I'd've honestly expect before that.

They still have a lot of them and a lot of agencies use various Manurhin revolvers.

[toxic palm]

they really like the double action trigger, theyve starting switching to glocks only now, they hadnt before cause they really prefer heavier triggers with no safety, alas

[fervent gale]

Why switch to Glocks then lol

[proven axle]

Heavy trigger with no safety ?
So a glock.

[lone raven]

Gotta spend that funding round somehow

[proven axle]

(Trigger safety doesn't count for the purposes of this conversation. <3)

[toxic palm]

yeah

[fervent gale]

Oh mb thought of hammer fired pistols bc double actions

[toxic palm]

also i own one of those scopes, i just need a revolver

[proven axle]

I'd like one of the Leupold Python scopes.

[toxic palm]

they use the sig sauer sp 2022 for that

[fervent gale]

That's some COD shit lol

[proven axle]

Hunters like them

You can actually really easily mount an RMR to colt Pythons, since the mount can just replace the rear sight.

[toxic palm]

the Bushnell Magnum Phantom is actually really good aswell

[lone raven]

You need an ulbricht helmet next

[toxic palm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manurhin_MR_73#/media/File:GIGN41_Domenjod_310119.jpg
beloved

[toxic palm]

with a faceshield obv

[fervent gale]

I honestly thought you were kidding, never seen that lol

[toxic palm]

you didnt know??? thats like THE GIGN thing

[proven axle]

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-xqszwpwgcy/images/stencil/1500x1500/products/1657/4866/49555_-_3__74689.1708480621.jpg?c=1&imbypass=on

Python RMR mount

[lone raven]

That's some Jerry Miculek shiz

[fervent gale]

No clue about the GIGN tho lol

[proven axle]

I don't think those were that common.

[fervent gale]

Still iconic

[proven axle]

Interesting that they made any at all.

.357 magnum is really cool for slightly longer ranges than most handgun rounds, since it's for the most part 9mm but incredibly fast.

[lone raven]

Big iron

[toxic palm]

serves a very special purpose, no issue of overpenetration, plus easier to be in a small space

[proven axle]

The MR73s even had 9x19 cylinders for training.

[proven axle]

By the time it hits a target expansion is going to be questionable.

[toxic palm]

it was used within 50 metres from what i remember

[proven axle]

Unsure.

I wonder what kind of loads they were using.

The original 816 ft*lb 9x33mmR load is pretty wacky hot. Usual loads are more like 500ft*lbs.

I have a bunch of Buffalo Bore US commercial loads that are 899ft*lbs out of a 6" revolver.

[fervent gale]

That's to much knowledge for me, gonna catch some sleep

[proven axle]

180grains at 1500fps

[proven axle]

gn

[fervent gale]

[lone raven]

Nah, the barrel has to make contact with the suspect's head

[toxic palm]

thats why they use the xm1014 silly

[lone raven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20375382

[proven axle]

If we're talking about French anti-terror shotguns, things get way more interesting.

RAID uses or at least used a bunch of Vepr 12s.

[toxic palm]

mts-255 when

[stone bay]

what are you guys yapping about

[lone raven]

Anti-terror? Sounds like they cause terror

[stone bay]

ah nvm

[lone raven]

The Fr*nch

[toxic palm]

we love the french

[proven axle]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0B55VBX0AEsMVa.png

[toxic palm]

thats kinda funny, who are RAID?

[stone bay]

Crazy stuff

[proven axle]

National Police Anti-terror Unit, as opposed to Gendarmerie units like GIGN

[stone bay]

So it's like swat but better™️?

[proven axle]

Think CIA vs FBI kinda

but there's never a clean 1:1 with law enforcement agencies

[buoyant fern]

Anyone else getting FPS drops mid mission? I have a Really beefy rig and my game shouldn't be chugging like this

[toxic palm]

which level

[buoyant fern]

happened on neon and the gas station

[stone bay]

Fair enough

[toxic palm]

ok yeah those run p bad for me

the totally not reddit raid is the one that runs the worst for me

[buoyant fern]

I'm pretty sure someone at VOID broke something last patch because it was running smooth as hell before it

[toxic palm]

that happens, they patched optimisation, broke some, soon

[stone bay]

I heard it because they switched from U4 to U5

[toxic palm]

ye, they did one really big optimisation patch after

[dire vine]

wedges are causing crashes

[boreal fossil]

is there anything I need to specifically do to get The Fool achievement? did they make it so you cant let yourself be killed cause I tried it and didnt work

[proven axle]

Pretty sure if you find an enemy that will punch you, you can just stand there and let them pummel you to death.

I think I did it with Daniela Voll

[magic hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/justified-gun-spinning-revolver-gun-gif-22041686

[proven axle]

me when i get

my basketweaved duty belt

[toxic palm]

which achivements do you guys would want as patches?
The Devil is an easy choice

[proven axle]

Way Out West

Hanged Man

[true saddle]

are there any tactical grey clothing items in RoN?

[ionic gale]

Hey

[toxic palm]

helmet, jacket and pants yes

[true saddle]

do you know what jacket

[mental fable]

Why Void didnt add the new taser animations for the Home Invasion DLC

[toxic palm]

Cerro Torre L5 Rolled Softshell Jacket (Achieve A B on Carriers of the Vine)
Cerro Torre L5 Softshell Jacket (Achieve A B on Carriers of the Vine)

[boreal fossil]

I tried that but didnt get it

[proven axle]

huh

[lone raven]

[proven blade]

Why does confetti come out after I reload the taser

[stone bay]

A surprise you'll never forget

[true saddle]

normalize mods replacing the cut weapons

[proven blade]

Atleast just add the M14 to the base game, it is lore accurate

[toxic palm]

G3A3, M16A4 etc etc

[proven blade]

Or just add an ACOG or M4 at least lol

[toxic palm]

The HMAA sight the g3 has is peak, i want it in every rifle

Sniper gamemode when

[proven blade]

I will murder a man just to get a M16 with a ACOG in game

[toxic palm]

This is just me but, i want an m16a2 upper (fixd carry handle) with an a4 foreend and a colt 3x optic

Carry handle working as a riser is peak

In that regard, g36c carry handle mods i miss you

[winter orbit]

this

[sterile linden]

What does “put em on safe and let em hang” mean

[dense quest]

Guns I guess

[winter orbit]

Put your weapon on safe so it can't fire and let it drop on it's sling/hold

[sterile linden]

Yummy

[dense quest]

Put them on safe mode and hang them on your back or whatever

[winter orbit]

Basically "mission over, weapons down and chill"

[ionic gale]

Hey fellow officers of the law

[winter orbit]

[sterile linden]

So, it doesn’t mean execute all witnesses?

That’d explain why I always get an F ranking

[winter orbit]

haha funny civilian murder
looks guys i kill all civilians is so funy

[ionic gale]

Yes, we love losing our jobs and getting criminal charges

in Terraria

[buoyant fern]

naw bro just plant a gun on him

[toxic palm]

[ripe zealot]

they really need a modded v vanilla lobby browser or something

i dont mind playing modded but i need to know for loadout

im bringing a lot more than 4 mags if theres gonna be 30 suspects

next lobby has 11 max players bro this is like a real swat team

[ionic gale]

“Void! Add a server browser and my life is yours!" -Kratos (for the 5th time)