👮ron-discussion

[stone stump]

which isn't out yet, but neither is the dlc

and it genuinely triggers me that they don't care about being correct, that's all

[jolly verge]

I'm either blind or i don't have any gifs on dlc steam page

nvm, they only on EU interface of steam

[limber steppe]

Look, you can argue that "they should've put it in the changelogs", does it matter?
The facts are that the DLC page makes it painfully obvious to find out what requires payment, and in any case that it doesn't it can be found out within a few minutes for anyone that cares to do the research
Saying that the devs are intentionally trying to mislead you into paying for something that's already free is flat out wrong

[stone stump]

explain how dlc page makes it obvious that the maps don't actually come with the dlc. the ability to host them does

will that argument also work in future, having to read announcements near the dlc release date?

is that even a realistic thing to expect?

[limber steppe]

"...and in any case that it doesn't it can be found out within a few minutes for anyone that cares to do the research"
And all the research it takes is finding this message in #💬general-discussion pinned messages #💬general-discussion message

[stone stump]

that implies you have access to discord or this discord server

[limber steppe]

The first gif on the ready or not steam page tells you to join the discord

[stone stump]

not everyone can or want to use discord

it also requires you to know english or have to translate everything

but technically the dlc page isn't translated either, so it doesn't really matter

and looking at the base game description, they don't localize gifs, so the "big white text" saying that the guns aren't actually part of the dlc would stay in english anyway. amazing

[vivid crescent]

Pour one out for the deleted MGL I just found out we had pre-release

6 semi-automatic stinger grenades would go so hard

[jolly verge]

we still have it, it's just disabled in loadout

[winter orbit]

If only there was some publicly avaliable free translation app with almost every language known in it, that also works with pictures

[vivid crescent]

I can see it being op but I kinda wish we got it after doing all the base missions. (Maybe have it disable score when equipped and also maybe do that for other "OP" weapons, you can use them but only after beating the mission and it voids your rank.)

[winter orbit]

It was a primary weapon iirc (idk i used it like, twice) so it was pretty balanced

[vivid crescent]

I know SWAT 3 also had a semi-automatic primary launcher but in that case it only fired flashbangs and gas grenades. (so useless somewhat against gas mask suspects.)

[blissful harness]

Ngl, I still need the glasses from the hospital, somehow I haven't unlocked it yet.

[vivid crescent]

True, means you're stuck with a low amount of "Lethal" ammo since most pistols don't have too big magazines.

[winter orbit]

Yeah you sacrificed your ability to deploy a rifle/shottie to have 6 grenades in quick succession

You also couldn't reload it when I used it, so it really was not a worthwhile trade

[vivid crescent]

I know it had no reloading but I wonder if that was intentional or because it'd need a somehwat indepth reload animation made for it . (Which also may be why it was cut.)

[stone stump]

pictures, but what about gifs?

[vivid crescent]

That said the MGL would be SLOW to reload, it ain't one of those mostly russian grenade launchers where it fires the grenade entirely, you'd have to manually remove every fired grenade then replace it.

Even more if Void go full gun nerd and you actually need to manually wind the cylinder back too

POV: you fired all 6 grenades of tear gas into a room, start reloading then it turns out a suspect inside had a gas mask and is now walking towards you Terminator-style https://youtu.be/Flw-_4rRjiI?t=18

[winter orbit]

Well thanks for confirming that you're being intentionally dense on the matter. Kinda confirms what I suspected that the dedicated "haters" of this game are just, in fact, trolling

[vivid crescent]

I mean, to be fair, I think google images doesn't work with gifs that well, you can basically only check the first frame.

[winter orbit]

Google translate has a feature where you just...point your camera at the text you want translated and it'll do it
Given the white text being referred to doesn't disappear or change through the gif

[stone stump]

huh??? i'm trolling because i asked a question?

gif isn't a picture just in case you don't know

[stone stump]

kinda weird to point a camera at a monitor too tbh (unless you're scanning a qr code)

[vivid crescent]

So apparently in early builds Stinger/Flashbangs were identical? is this still true?

[stone stump]

no

[vivid crescent]

Yeah the vid I found is a year ago so I wanted to confirm.

(Apparently back then both stunned for 8 seconds and didn't need line of sight to the flashbang.)

[stone stump]

#announcements message

[vivid crescent]

That doesn't cover Stingers/Flashbangs, just CS

[jolly verge]

in terms of stun duration yes, but stinger have 12m radius compare to 10m flashbang, it's also deal 27 damage in 2m radius

[blissful harness]

I did a Christian Craighead no damage solo run.
I managed to not get hurt, which is the goal (Took one in the plate), but I also killed a civilian.

[dapper hinge]

Do we think the new ai line of sight changes are coming on tuesday?

[merry kindle]

If I'm right they are

[dapper hinge]

[vivid crescent]

NGL kinda dumb being too close to an NPC stops you even doing melee attacks

Also means melee attacks can be "cancelled" mid strike if you get too close

||Is there a way to get to the hidden room in the police station?||

[versed trail]

noclip

there were some mods for it

[somber pewter]

since when is the BCM so mid

[merry kindle]

according to kaminskys pinned msg ai tweaks are a part of tueday update

[merry kindle]

np gang

[hasty needle]

heyy how's everyone, i just joined the server but did not buy the game, i want to buy it but im unsure and i was hoping i could get opinions

[merry kindle]

Game is very good imo and a new update (performance updates, ue5, ai, 3 weapons) + dlc (3 new maps + cosmetics) is dropping tuesday

[hasty needle]

alr and does the game ever end? like how does it work is it missions you do and they eventually finish and you have nothing to do? (i dont usually repeat missions or replay games)

[native rune]

You repeat missions and replay it

[hasty needle]

is it worth getting then or should i go for a different game since i only have enough to buy one?

[molten prairie]

how much do you play games?

[hasty needle]

a lot like 7 hours a day maybe (bcs of summer)

[native rune]

I mean it’s kinda predicated on replaying. If you’re set on never replaying missions then you’re gonna get like seven hours out of this game

[molten prairie]

I think there is quite a bit of content here, but if you need a game with 1000s of hours you will be repeating missions.

[bold sky]

if you wanna mod your game yes buy it, if you dont like modding save your money elsewhere

[hasty needle]

alr yea got it, idm repeating missions but it usually gets pretty boring after a while if its the same so thats the only thing making me hesitant

[hasty needle]

never modded a game but i would if i knew how lmao

[somber pewter]

Has the game always looked this blurry or am I missing something? I play on the epic preset

[native rune]

Well the upcoming Tuesday DLC/update is the only maps being added since December so if you’re getting it to not mod and not replay then you’re in for a massive disappointment

[stone bay]

Something in your graphics settings is tweaked wrong, I also play on epic and get no blur.

[somber pewter]

I reset everything to default

[native rune]

There’s some ugly film grain forced by default that you can search tutorials on how to remove

[hasty needle]

yea okay got it thanks, ill see the game looks nice but thats my only problem, if i find no other game ill get this one

[somber pewter]

like holo sights look really goofy with this level of blur

[bold sky]

this game is also dictated heavily by if you have people to play w; if you do then you mod the difficulty up and enjoy the game, if not then rn bc the bots are straight pushover you can solo the game even but thats very anti social and other games are better

[native rune]

Bro just called playing single player very antisocial

[vivid crescent]

Me who enjoyed the entire game solo:

[blissful harness]

I play the game solo (The without bot kinda solo)

[hasty needle]

how many hours did it take you to finish

[vivid crescent]

20-ish

I did do some replays for S-ranks though/leave the game paused during longer missions if I needed a break

[hasty needle]

and is it boring now that you finished everything or do you still play it

[blissful harness]

I play it to set up different outfit combinations.

[molten prairie]

You start the game and you have officers and if they die they are dead and if they get PTSD they are mental patients etc...

It is replayable because of that and the randomness within the missions

[hasty needle]

if you replay a mission is it the exact same? like on some games its the exact same thing happens at the exact same moment everytime etc

[molten prairie]

no

placement of people changes, traps, things like that

[native rune]

Spawns for civilians and suspects are somewhat randomized

If you replay enough you’ll get a feel for what locations always have enemies and which ones don’t

[molten prairie]

I have played the first missions about 10 times and each time feels slightly different somehow yes, plus your teammates can make or break it.

[hasty needle]

yea alr then honestly if i dont find another game ill get it i need more options because i have nth fun to play anymore so what i get now id play a lot like all the time

andd i can only get one so ill see

but i definitely do love the game and how it is

[blissful harness]

I actually hope every single place of the map except the spawn would be possible to spawn a suspect/civilian, not just those spawns people could memorize.

[bold sky]

its beyond that; you know all the angle in the map like you would in every fps but bc these are bots we talking you steamroll them very hard

[native rune]

Enemies move around also, their actual position when you meet them is dependent on what exactly you do during the mission. But yes, there are numerous places that after hundreds of hours of play I only check for RP purpose because there is never an enemy there.

[bold sky]

and in this game you definitely reach a point playing vanila where having teammates is literally worse than just moving fast on your own and ignore all the so called tactical maneuvers

[mild latch]

Game's far better solo in my experience.
And I mean FARRRR better. Unless you're trying to play PvE CoD

[bold sky]

ngl people here who still checks the damage spreadsheet here and already figure out optimal loadouts are not gonna have anywhere near a rough time clearing any of the current map

but this game is far from being a fun game to solo, its somewhat satisfying to solo but a few hundred hours in and you start pre firing angles or have a good idea where to pre fire just from footsteps and voices a lot

[blissful harness]

I love how some AI use the hesitation to break line of sight before engaging. Don't know if it's intended.

Usually forces me to retreat behind cover before he decides to engage again.

[fierce briar]

if im doing the ironman mode achievements do i have to restart if i failed a objective or can i keep going

[stone bay]

As long as none of your officers die or resign, you’re good to go

[fierce briar]

okay thank you

[frail pier]

This is the way

[willow mango]

What trait loadouts you all use?

[jolly verge]

Depends on your playstyle, if you doing S runs 2 negotiator 1 pacifier 1 armorer is the best

[willow mango]

What's the difference between negotiator and intimidator ?

[jolly verge]

Intimidator does not work right now
Negotiator adds % chance that suspect will immediately surrender from yelling

1 - 25%, 2 - 50%, 3 - 55%, 4 - 60%, so it's better take only 2 of them

[willow mango]

Interesting, thanks for the info. Had no idea intimidator was broken

[jolly verge]

well from my tests it's have no actuall effect on suspects morale

[floral bramble]

can my ai stillus regular guns for the hanged man?

[shy tulip]

Yes, it only matters what you use

[floral bramble]

ah neat

[jolly verge]

And you can even remove taser/flashbangs from loadout, it's still gonna count

just dont use anything else, even multitool

[floral bramble]

ok good

can i still have the stuff equipped or do i need to remove it

[jolly verge]

yeap, just dont use them, you can have shield on your back for protection

[sturdy flicker]

Is the DLC gonna be the players being police officers or are they still swat?

[covert aurora]

still swat

[sturdy flicker]

okay

[shy tulip]

swat game focus on swat characters

[blissful harness]

I should enable server side checksum. I actually hate modded players with mods that changes the behavior of the game or gives them advantages.

Somehow I keep forgetting that I disabled it.

[shy tulip]

That doesn't change anything unless you are the one hosting

Even if you are hosting, then their AI mods won't change your game, and depending on the mod (unless it uses in-game files) it will probably cause them issues

[vivid crescent]

Just lost Port S-rank because an officer walked into a suspect

I really hate that warehouse

It just does not work with this game's mechanics

[plush hull]

Hello, when do you guys add underbarrell grenade launchers? Less lethal and lvg's are my dream to express my inner voice in

[vivid crescent]

And then I die because somehow my team overlooked a guy

[silver palm]

Time to never find the last civilian in the spider level

[frail pier]

It's hobo

[silver palm]

Wait what

[vivid crescent]

The warehouse is seriously ass

[frail pier]

The hobo can spawn near your spawn by the double door entrance

[silver palm]

Oh found him

[frail pier]

GG

[silver palm]

This motherfucker

I had to do the level 2 times because I thought it was bugged

[frail pier]

I always check that before pushing rest of map lol

Since it's like right there at spawn anyways

[vivid crescent]

Is it just me or is SWAT AI unaffected by tear gas even without a helmet?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

[stone bay]

Will the new update fix Rust Belt not being recognized as a vanilla map?

[shy tulip]

Probably

[hasty needle]

can u shoot your friends in ron?

[mossy agate]

yeah

[hasty needle]

fun

[noble pasture]

oof, goota wait a few days before I can play the update

[blissful harness]

Tried to capture a suspect alive and got mag dumped to death.

[jagged agate]

@floral bramble So you um... like plague doctors???

[floral bramble]

indeed

[mossy agate]

just another day in los suenos

[jagged agate]

I like their gothic spooky vibe and you made them PINK

[jagged agate]

"Drop the gun, im giving you a chance to surrender"

[hasty needle]

can i just shoot everyone i see (not civillians)

[mossy agate]

you can but you will likely not pass the level

[vivid crescent]

So is the SA-58 the only available Battle Rifle?

[covert aurora]

no???

[vivid crescent]

It seems everything else is an AR aside from the one long-barrel 5.56 one

[patent moth]

Just beat the cabin level with no casualties on either side

[covert aurora]

get that S

[patent moth]

Feel kinda goated

[vivid crescent]

Sadly the Port level isn't as easy to S-rank

[covert aurora]

i mean i would count them all as BR's but thats just me

[patent moth]

I kinda wish I could get my non lethal dudes ahead of the lethal dudes

[stone stump]

battle rifle = heavy (rifle) caliber

[patent moth]

I mean aren’t battle rifles and assault rifles distinct weapons

[blissful harness]

I'm sure assault rifles and battle rifles are apples and oranges.

[vivid crescent]

BRs are basically higher caliber and usually a bad idea to fire in full auto outside of emergencies like the M14.

[patent moth]

I think the SA-58 is the only available BR rn unless the MK16 is the SCAR-H(I’m not too familiar with SCARs lol)

[covert aurora]

think it's a Scar L

[vivid crescent]

Nah it's 5.56, SCAR L version

[covert aurora]

yeah it's an L

then yeah we have one battle rifle

[patent moth]

Im just excited for the flux raider to get added lol

[blissful harness]

I need drip.
I need the update to gimme drip.

[silver palm]

Balaclava drip

[patent moth]

Praying that the dlc is like 10 dollars or something like that

[covert aurora]

we do get calavas coming soon

[silver palm]

It is

[covert aurora]

it is actually lmao

[patent moth]

Oh word that’s sweet

[silver palm]

Even though the balaclavs and the guns are free I'll be buying it anyway cause it's a massive W

[covert aurora]

in general discussion.

[blissful harness]

And I'm never asking others to rate my drip again.
Homie only gave a four in my impeccable tacticool drip.

[silver palm]

Homies give a bad rating on purpose to say they actually like it

[vivid crescent]

The only tactical cool drip is the '99 gear

[patent moth]

Oh wow I was bang on

[covert aurora]

where's my tactical banana?

[patent moth]

Ive got silly drip

[stone bay]

Same

[patent moth]

I just want to try out these new situations with friends

the guns and balaclava(balaclava especially) are a bonus cos I wont have to use the balaclava mod any more

[blissful harness]

I also can't wait to use the pistol extension kit.

And tbh, I ain't crazy on balaclava.
Most SWAT units in the States don't wear them now, I think.

[covert aurora]

not really no

[blissful harness]

I mean, most bodycam footage I saw, they often just have their face exposed.

[patent moth]

Im taking it as like sort of D Platoon wearing it to protect their family(wrong reply)

[covert aurora]

think it depends on the op, but yeah most don't wear calavas anymore

[vivid crescent]

I wonder if the Stechkin will become a usable pistol. (Either by us or suspects.)

[silver palm]

Even if they stopped wearing them
it just looks better with it on

[patent moth]

I prefer the look of a D Platoon with balaclavas

[vivid crescent]

I'm a big fan of SWAT 2 and 3 so the blue '99 gear I like since it resembles them

[blissful harness]

If you want fashion over practical, be my guest.
According to my experience playing airsoft though, wearing balaclava creates fog on your ballistic glasses.
And you'll always have them glasses in CQB environment.

[stone bay]

💯

[blissful harness]

Of course, I rock no glasses myself often, so I don't really have the position to say it.

[patent moth]

If I was in a situation like d platoon I’d sure as shit be covering my face lol

[blissful harness]

I wouldn't be, prefer the breathability in stressful environment.

[silver palm]

Do you put your nose under the mask?
I'm saying it like it's an item wtf

[vivid crescent]

Also ngl, it bugs me that that pistols don't fit into the holsters

You wear a belt and pistols clip through it

[blissful harness]

Well... Breathability is probably not the term.
I mean I prefer less load from keeping me hot and distracted.

[silver palm]

Hey, everyone wears them their own way
it's a respectable choice

[blissful harness]

Anyway, average tacticool dudes, scoot!
Only guy who's badass with a balaclava is that SAS member during a hotel massacre.

[patent moth]

True

Obi Wan Nairobi

[blissful harness]

I tried doing a no damage single CQB run like what the dude was doing when playing the game earlier.
Managed to do it if a shot on the plate carrier doesn't count.

[vivid crescent]

Also wow I go through pepperballs much faster than lethals, nearly through 7 mags on port

They're not all empty but they're roughly less than a quarter full

I only have 2 full mags out of my roughly 7-8 starting mags

[blissful harness]

I'm surprised you still got full mags, honestly.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah I took alot and made heavy use of CS so far

[floral bramble]

yes

[vivid crescent]

My inventory is nothing but Pepperball M4 ammo and CS gas as well as my teammates (though they still have some flashbangs and stingers)

[floral bramble]

are you THE sir nexus of mods

[vivid crescent]

Port S-rank done

[jagged agate]

Bruuuh I dont like that map

[blissful harness]

Nah, despite being named Nexus, he can't mod his game at all.

[jagged agate]

my head hurts thinking about S ranking it

[blissful harness]

I wouldn't S rank maps with AI, probably gonna do it alone.
I'm too lazy with unlocking maps one by one on story mode.

[vivid crescent]

I find they help

[mossy agate]

yeah, that map has always been a pain in the fucking buttstock. I wish you gl if you are going to S rank it

[vivid crescent]

mainly because extra ltl ammo.

Loadout was 6 (thought I did an empty reload) VKS mags and 7 CS Grenades

[blissful harness]

I've yet to finish hospital for the shirt though. Does killing everyone except for the leader gives me a B?

[vivid crescent]

No idea but S-rank means no deaths at all

[blissful harness]

If not, I'll probably just run non lethal

[vivid crescent]

I think you can get an A with justified shoots? but maybe only a handful

Also ngl wish we could "Move" Evidence items on the screen, it's pretty hard to read the tiny text on them

[stone bay]

two more days until armageddon

[silver palm]

No sir

[blissful harness]

I hope I don't have to wait till 24th to get the DLC.

[silver palm]

We can ignore that

[blissful harness]

As you should.

[silver palm]

It's a stupid invention

[blissful harness]

Does community have a clue on why Michael the streamer taunt the police into hunting him with a whole gang backing him up?

I'm thinking if it is related to the gas station incident.

[vivid crescent]

It's generally believed it was a simple swatting.

Since the voice in the call isn't him and his mother/brother are fine.

[hollow citrus]

Dude got bunch of criminals around of course he will act tough plus the illegal crypto farm

[blissful harness]

Oh wait, that wasn't him?

[vivid crescent]

The gang are clearly just protecting the bitcoining mining operation. (even if there's clearly too many of them.)

[blissful harness]

How did I not think of the gang's purpose and the fact that the caller wasn't Michael.

[hollow citrus]

I'm pretty positive it's his "homies" Rather than guards, wouldn't make sense for him to fight as well otherwise

[blissful harness]

The servers belonged to him.

They were stashed in an apartment under his name.

[hollow citrus]

Yea but that wouldn't justify him fighting with SWAT unless he had some gang reputation at hand. He is just a streamer after all

[blissful harness]

Though I really do expect Michael being more cowardly instead of being all hyped up fighting Davids due to his look.

Average male streamer stereotype

[hollow citrus]

Yea that's why I'm guessing he got ties to gang life too, plus he is also involved with all child P thing aswell

[blissful harness]

"That one white boy homie in a gang full of Afro and Hispanics."
I find this funny lowkey.

[vivid crescent]

RON AI sorta doesn't know how to not be suicidal tbh

[stone bay]

when will the dlc drop. Timezone pls

[vivid crescent]

Outside of being very outnumbed with negotiator

[blissful harness]

Why not either all Afro or all Hispanic for a gang is what I'm thinking though.
It's more common for gangs to have one race as a majority, not 50/50.

[covert aurora]

TBA

[sudden marsh]

they said july 23rd, thats all

[stone bay]

does that mean it can be before 23rd?

[sudden marsh]

no, they were exact with the date

[stone bay]

Aight thx

[hollow citrus]

I mean there's always this young white rich dude who wants all this gang life and stuff. Like the son of Michael in gta 5

[covert aurora]

my guess it can be 10am pst or it could be noon PST

again this is just a guess nothing concreate

[hollow citrus]

The update? My safest bet would be around evening by European time

[covert aurora]

it could be I am sure they will tell us when the time i closer

anywho, have to go off to work o7

[blissful harness]

Ngl, I wouldn't want to bring less than lethal in normal gameplay due to realism, but I'd still prefer taking suspects alive instead of killing them.

I want the AI suspects to surrender more and comply without always being hostile, but I also see enough reasons for suspects not to surrender.

[vivid crescent]

To my knowledge, IRL SWAT mostly run lethal outside of grenades.

Even then IRL it's more "One guy has a pepperball/beanbag with everyone else backing them up"

S+ Rank is very much ment to be a challenge.

I do agree that suspects in the "lower stakes" missions are a bit too quickly to fight SWAT. (Such as Michael's friends in his apartment)

[floral bramble]

tragic

[silver palm]

Indeed

[blissful harness]

I was told suspects like gang bangers would most likely flee or surrender on sight, only crash dummies would engage them on sight.

[vivid crescent]

Yeah that's more of a SWAT 4 thing or with traits in career mode.
RON AI is a bit too trigger happy though at least tends to surrender quick once hit with LTL

I do wonder if we'll get a DLC following up on the events of Port, that feels like a midway point in the story.

[blissful harness]

Btw, noticed an interesting fact post Brisa Cove.
The naval officer would be locked inside the cell as well.

Think they're possible affiliated with the Left Behind according to his previous military role?

[vivid crescent]

BTW is it just me or is it impossible to "unequip" armor? so you go back to it changing if you have light or heavy

[vivid crescent]

So how do you distribute your magazines? a thought I've been having.

Do you guys have more main weapon mags, secondary mags (since less ammo usually) or try to go for equal like me.

[livid sluice]

I think the devs should take into mind what kind of people are doing what. Terrorists and Cult Members are probably really likely to shoot on sight at police rather than some addict robbing a store or some crypto miners. I do like the meth heads being really twitchy with what the do

[stone stump]

but modern gamers have a 1 picosecond attention span, they can't get too bored!

[livid sluice]

Yeah yeah, my bad

[vivid crescent]

So what happened to the officers on the cult mission?

Farm

[sterile urchin]

Is there a way to quickly equip the taser without cycling through my pistol first? the taser hotkey is hidden because I carry C2

[winged peak]

they turned them into WOMEN 😱 😱 😱

[vivid crescent]

I don't know if I missed an environment detail, apparently early versions had a single wounded officers you found

[winged hornet]

Theres the graves out in the back area before approaching the church

[stone stump]

they forgot

[sterile urchin]

nice 🥲

[stone stump]

pretty common in this game, changing one thing without updating the rest of the game to match the change

[shy tulip]

Red is correct, there are graves dug for the dead cop.

Just like irl, swat are often too late

[umbral oar]

the game is kinda blurry, fsr/dlss on is noticably sharper

[stone stump]

TAA moment

(upscalers disable antialiasing)

[umbral oar]

for real i just run AA at low

[vivid crescent]

Think I got an actual honest melee use in the wild in a MP game of Neon of all things.

I was watching the helmet cam of an ally so I actually saw him get in a gunfight on the dance floor so I moved to flank the guy when he came running next to me, so I put a round in his vest and jabbed him while he was stunned then he surrendered.

[silver palm]

What settings did you choose for them

[vivid crescent]

My teammate was in the bar area and I was backstage cuffing another guy next to where you enter.

[silver palm]

Oh wait AMD has a sharpening filter I searched that up

[vivid crescent]

Also wow flashbangs in RON are far stronger than SWAT 4.

I could be wrong but I recall a flashbang rarely forcing compliance in 3/4 but here the noob tube is basically a "SURRENDER NOW" button especially with the anti-flash goggles

[pseudo tendon]

Anyone know how big the home invasion dlc will be??

[vivid crescent]

3 missions if I recall

[pseudo tendon]

Damn

[versed trail]

Cant u hold 2 and use scroll to change it?

Might be wrong idk

[sterile urchin]

Yes but that's not very fast compared to hitting something like 5
Not to mention the first scroll doesn't immediately go to the next item

[versed trail]

Practice ig. I literally pull taser as fast as any other weapon

[sterile urchin]

No thanks, simply an unintuitive control scheme
I wanted to use the taser but its just plain bad without a way to effectively pull it out unless I don't run C2

[vivid crescent]

Imagine if MLO had the Steckhin and shields in future missions.

Shield guy with an fully automatic pistol.

[stable kernel]

The best way to get the taser easily (IMO) is to go into the loadout and remove all other equipment that uses the 4 key, back out, then go back in and equip the other equipment. That makes it so the taser is first when you press 4. Otherwise, it is always accessible by holding 2 then scroll wheel (down, I think)

[olive forge]

Do we know the time 🕰️ of the Home Invasion release?

[upbeat shore]

Yes, whats the clock of the release?

[stable kernel]

It will be at 🕰️ o' 🕰️

[upbeat shore]

[vivid crescent]

I think double tabbing 2 also equips the taser.

[ionic gale]

July 23rd I thonk

[sterile urchin]

I thought indexing the taser would be a good workaround but instead it will just quick swap to the taser after detonating the C2 so you're just gonna have to be fumbling with your guns before entering

[olive forge]

yes, but what about the time?

🕰️

[vivid crescent]

So did you care about S-rank

If not....UNAUTHORIZED FORCE HERE WE GO BABY

[vale tangle]

when they're pointing at doors, I like to peek the door and flashbang it

or gas if thats what you use

is it S or lethal?

if you use the pepperball gun you can use it to the same effect, by peeking and shooting next to the guy

yeah

you play with ai?

I'd recommend gas mask, and flashlights tbh

cs gas is really good in some situations

what do you mean?

like an older build?

oh interesting

[ionic gale]

Idk ;-:

[vale tangle]

lol

probably should keep game up to date though just update overnight

if your build is too old, then the ai might still be op, they got nerfed in hotfix 4 after 1.0 I think

[silk junco]

🏴‍☠️

pirating games

[vale tangle]

I believe practice mode has all of them

did you pirate the game lol

[silk junco]

10 bucks says they did

[vale tangle]

I'll take it

who's taking

so you did pirate it

[silk junco]

haha hey lets admit to piracy in the official discord hahaha

[vale tangle]

💀

okay I don't have paypal or anythign how do you want your money

[silk junco]

@gaunt gale nuke this man

[vivid crescent]

Honestly I find cracking down Voll to be the hardest mission in the game?

[silk junco]

my victory is enough

[vale tangle]

damn

[dire anvil]

Piracy…

[vivid crescent]

Can't u get someone you know to buy it lmao then pay them in person

[vale tangle]

I'm ruined, I will now go in exile in shame

[dire anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-47-agent47-head-airport-gif-24035353

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/melko-melkozito-anime-chica-vtuber-terror-gif-15454202709734426345

[vale tangle]

it's so over for this man.

[silk junco]

the “newer than 1.0 but not current version” was spicious

[vale tangle]

yeah was his steam on offline mode for 7 months 💀

[silk junco]

theyre working on it dont worry

[shy tulip]

There was never a man

There was only silence

[vale tangle]

yeah, what bet?

[silk junco]

the silence is killing me

[covert aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-its-a-crime-you-wouldnt-steal-a-car-you-wouldnt-steal-a-handbag-you-wouldnt-steal-a-mobile-phone-you-wouldnt-steal-a-dvd-gif-20041955

[vale tangle]

I like how I know exactly what the gif is just by reading the link

[covert aurora]

Lol

I can think of another one

https://tenor.com/view/bloody-pirates-bloody-pirates-gilboboy-jakyrian-gif-22268656

^^

@vale tangle hows that one

[vale tangle]

nah not that one

[vale tangle]

when I read this I see the ads

[covert aurora]

Ah

Lmao

[blissful harness]

Just managed to get through Post Office in one try, though two officers died and I'm half-dead.
It's practice mode though.

[covert aurora]

Thats the benefit of practice mode 🙂

[elder void]

Any word on AI team mates in Coop mode?

[covert aurora]

Natm

[elder void]

Definately should be the next thing devs need to work on now that AI will be fixed

[strange crane]

if i play modded do i unclok the customization?

for lets say if i get an B on rust belt do i unlock the shirt for it

[covert aurora]

Yes

[strange crane]

ok cool

[stone bay]

Can someone explain how I joined this guy and he had the 9 Bang Flash grenade mod installed and it was wokring? But I don't have the mod installed? Was the mod working because he was the host of the game?

[covert aurora]

Its probably because he has the mod

[stone bay]

So I can join anyone with mods that I don't have to install?

[covert aurora]

Yeah

[stable kernel]

Mods that restore things from the game files usually show for people without the mod, otherwise no.

[deep dune]

Going for another run of Relapse
last run, completed the whole stage but couldn't find the last civillian despite searching for ~15 minutes after the last combatant was detained.
Any advice for making sure I absolutely don't miss anyone this time? Felt I had a pretty good search pattern, just some blind spots around the cafeteria but went back through every room during my last search.

I use doorblocks on every staircase and block the doors behind me, so civvies shouldn't be able to get around me

Also, how effective is shooting into the air and listening for reactions? I found it pretty effective in earlier levels (especially nightclub) but now it seems to get more false positives than hits

[shy tulip]

Besides learning the map, you can also press F and walk around and see if you hear anyone reacting. Keep in mind that if you tell Ai to run away, they might also be at spawn. They should be auto arrested, but it is bugged I believe.

I wouldn't shoot into the air unless bring order to chaos is 100% complete

[stuck nebula]

Most groups in #📌unit-promo don't mention the times they join up, does anyone know of some groups that could work for someone who's in US Eastern, but works second shift? (2-10PM)
Oh, and Ping please so responses don't get lost in the sauce.

[bright reef]

Anyone know what time the DLC released on Tuesday?

[shy tulip]

There isn't a time confirmed

I think generally their stuff released into the afternoon EST wise

could be wrong

[covert aurora]

Was it est or pst void goes by?

[shy tulip]

idk

International team moment

Whenever I decide to hit the update button

[covert aurora]

Lol

1.0 came at 12pm cst

Sooo my guess maybe around the sametime?

[shy tulip]

no idea

[night pasture]

The steam page has a timer

[shy tulip]

oh, it does

[stone bay]

Apparently at some point Steam decided to do away with the option to turn off updates. Fuck.

[stable kernel]

Yeah, but you can still download old versions from steam with a bit of know how, and from what I’ve seen you can trick it not to update the old version even in online mode. (But I’ve not tried it, so I don’t know for sure)

[shy tulip]

You can disable auto update still last I checked (maybe a week or two ago)

right click game > manage > properties > updates

ah wait

I guess you'd have to pause it in the downloads tab each time you opened Steam

[stable kernel]

It will update when you try to play it

[covert aurora]

Does it? Thanks for letting me know!

Yep! 1D 17hrs

[blissful harness]

A guy opened a gap, then shook his head.
I took his meaning as no trap.
Then you know what happened.

[shy tulip]

Clearly meant no go

[jolly verge]

nothing from your loadouts affect you run speed, only plates affect your acceleration

You will accelerate faster, speed run is the same + depend what plate you taking, running front only with ceramic is pointless, since it's only 5% penalty and 0.06 seconds difference compare to no plates/kevlar
if you run steel front only then it's fine, 23% penalty

check this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing and this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WMrTC5xtVlt3_tovmZIc2e09drmHgONsArwn82HYGiI/edit?usp=sharing

none, the only thing that make you run faster is low ready

yeah, it's just different style, the both give 20% speed

[primal gate]

To my knowledge it's only armour choice that'll impact you, and high/low ready, everything else is irrelevant.

[primal gate]

For pistols, in my experience, AP is useless... always use JHP, for primary always use AP.. that's as in depth as I've went.

Shot a guy 3 times with a .357 using HP, he still lived, no armour.

[jolly verge]

.357 JHP wont pen L2 vests, but will one shot every suspect with regular health pool

like i said, nothing from your loadout make you faster/slower, only plates have affect on your acceleration

[shy tulip]

As they said, at least from my experiences, the only thing that changes your movement speed is your armor and low ready.

Even if you use a pistol, you're still carrying you rifle anyway

[jolly verge]

That mean how much your weapon will move off center when you moving/ads

[primal gate]

With a shield equiped you are slower I think, but only when equipped. Like, in your hands.

[jolly verge]

yeah, shields do reduce speed by 10%, but if you low ready with it you will reach max run speed as you was without it

also each hit in the leg reduce max speed by 2.5%

check map info tab

it's showing what armor on what map suspects wear

if you not sure take any rifle with AP

since it's the only ammo that can pen level 4 armor

yes

[primal gate]

L2 won't do much even against pistol ammo, so L3+ is probably harder missions like Ides of March.

[jolly verge]

suspects on ides use only l2

you cant really tell if suspect use armor or not, some of them have no visual mesh

[primal gate]

Really? That seems crazy.

[primal gate]

Hmm good point.

[jolly verge]

yes, like secret service guys can wear level 4 armor, but it's has no mesh, so it's looks like they unarmored

L2 and L3A both have variants with mesh and without it

you mean trait?

it's in commander mode only

trait that increases armor/helmet durability and resistance

1 trace is 2m radius, which deal 27 damage

2 trace is 12m and deal 2 damage

flashbang deal only 0.05 damage, so it's save to use

if it's explode and suspect was in 2m of stinger he will receive 27 damage, if further than 2m - 2 damage, idk how to explain it correctly

9 bang for sure

9 bang detonate and stun 9 times, it's really useful when suspects running around some obstacles, that can block effect of stun

you can, you will just get small amount of damage

just need to wear goggles

not sure about radius, probably lower than flashbang

it's saying 6m

idk

9 bang accessible only via mods btw

you can take shotgun and shoot from far away

[frail pier]

You doing speedruns?

What category?

Oh this is modded nvm

Ahh gotcha

[jolly verge]

yeap

[quick jacinth]

Or just open the door really

[jolly verge]

it's always 1 shot open door, no matter where you hit

[quick jacinth]

pick it

i find breaching tools worthless besides for VERY specific moments like detonating traps

[frail pier]

For speedrunning depends on the door. You don't wanna shoot out the middle on a wooden. Aim near door handle or top right or bottom right. Metal doors doesn't matter.

[quick jacinth]

The ram is a meme

C2 is sorta neat but the radius is wayyyy to small

the shotgun is decent but i'd rather have extra grenades

[primal gate]

Shoot the lock/handle and you're good.

[quick jacinth]

yeah but you have to take a breaching shotgun with you while the lockpick is always on you

just open the door

[frail pier]

^

[frail pier]

If it's locked you can't open?

[quick jacinth]

Pick it then open it

[frail pier]

Breach is quicker lol.

[quick jacinth]

the speed doesn't matter unless you are speedrunning

[frail pier]

Which is what he said he's doing

[primal gate]

Breach shotgun will work from a reasonable distance, so if speed is your goal, faster than picking for sure.

[frail pier]

Yeh you can snipe doors open pretty far

[quick jacinth]

i came in with little context

the ram would be the fastest to pull out and smash the door open then walk through but that's just asking to get shot at

[covert aurora]

and set off traps from a distance

[royal nimbus]

breacher shotty is the most badass therefore it gets all the use

[frail pier]

I think it's slower swap too with ram. Idk I used it twice ever and said nah. Plus it wouldn't work well with animation cancelling.

[quick jacinth]

iirc they both have the same equip speed

the ram would be better for things up close while the shotgun lets you breach early

map dependent really

[frail pier]

I guess... I've never seen anyone use it at all (for speedruns)

[quick jacinth]

the ram is literally the worst breaching tool in the game so not surprising

[primal gate]

Agreed. Very dependant on the map, I wouldn't want to ram a door that likely has a tripwire trap.

[frail pier]

Can you even jog with it? (Low/high ready run)

[quick jacinth]

only a problem on 2 maps (well 3 but sins traps are flashes and not grenades)

[primal gate]

Yea, true, most maps you don't have that problem, but still a concern.

[quick jacinth]

Yeah

the animation is pretty odd though

[frail pier]

How many times to kill a suspect with it lol. I know it's 3 for an officer.

These are things I wanna know now

[quick jacinth]

1 since friendly fire has a damage reduction

[jolly verge]

it's does not have reduction

[quick jacinth]

since when?

i remember ages ago when people did ballistic tests on officers in the basement there was a slight damage reduction compared to suspect damage

[frail pier]

I'm thinking it's probably 1 or 2 unless it has health modifiers for the map?

[quick jacinth]

suspects have between 320-500 hp and incap at half health

[frail pier]

Yeh but like idk what the ram does damage wise

[primal gate]

Flashbang 100%, imo. Either be aware or wear goggles.

[quick jacinth]

Stingers suck, just use bangs or gas

[jolly verge]

always, you deal full damage to your swat ai and players

[jolly verge]

you cant damage suspect with bash or ram

[quick jacinth]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

nothing really

[primal gate]

No impairment to you, I guess!

[frail pier]

Fuckkk I was hoping you could since you can TK

[jolly verge]

bash damage also works odd against host and player in lobby

[covert aurora]

run gas you will be fine

[primal gate]

Also makes people stumble/stagger into cover/out of sight.

A stun or flash will stop them in their tracks.

[covert aurora]

its why you run in as they cough and yell

[frail pier]

Depends on the engagement but yeh flash is almost always the way.

[primal gate]

Yea, exactly! It's why I don't use it at all 🤣 Asking for an 'unauthorised use of force' with that.

[covert aurora]

never had that

[frail pier]

They don't get un auth from gas nades?

[covert aurora]

no

[quick jacinth]

god forbid you try doing that on relapse

[primal gate]

It's even worse using pepperball guns.

[covert aurora]

i have.

[quick jacinth]

relapse is the bane of any gas and pepper user

[primal gate]

I was 100% non-lethal.. until Ides... then I gave up, lol/

[covert aurora]

with only one other person

[frail pier]

Pepperball AOE also doesn't do an unauth. It's only if you directly hit them.

[primal gate]

I disagree, I directly hit the bad guy but behind cover, to the side of him, was a hostage. Like there's no way I hit a civvie.

[frail pier]

You had to because certain civs ill shoot around them and they'll be affected but no unauth.

Barrel sway lined the shot up on them idk

[primal gate]

It would take alot of testing, not saying I'm right/you're wrong, but from my point of view, I got a discipline for F*** all.

[frail pier]

Yeh sometimes I hit too. Shit happens lol. Unless it's super inconsistent to the AOE counting unauth then idk...

Volls wife has gotten that shit plenty of times

[primal gate]

Part of it is just video game logic.

[quick jacinth]

i believe i got a total of 1 RoE violation throughout my first run playthrough on ready or not and that was because i blasted a civilian standing in-between a suspect on accident

[covert aurora]

civies always getting in the way

[frail pier]

Sounds about right

[primal gate]

Me, using a shotgun 👀

[frail pier]

Lol sometimes they run and open doors where you need to go which is nice.

Thanks pal for clearing the way

[covert aurora]

in mid fire fight? civie runs toward ya. trying to detain a suspect? civies blocking the way

[quick jacinth]

ready or not RoE is super irrelevant 99% of the time to the point where i forget it exists most of the time

I can't believe zero hour has a more strict RoE than Ready or Not

the AI are just way to willing to fight unwinnable battles

[frail pier]

I thought about getting into zero. Looks fun

[covert aurora]

zero is ok....

[frail pier]

At this point idk what to play till diablo expansion drops.

[primal gate]

Bayblades tournamets, that's the plan.

[covert aurora]

as i like to say Hust, whatever you feel like

[frail pier]

Lol nothings good except RoN until I get bored of the DLC.

[covert aurora]

fair enough

which actually reminds me.... i have to play the 2nd half of the tempest rising demo 😮

[frail pier]

Don't play in the dark

[coral wigeon]

anyone know when RoN switch to UE5?

[stable kernel]

When the new dlc and update come out this Tuesday

[coral wigeon]

thx

[covert aurora]

to my knowledge its just a plate

heavy also makes you slower, and i believe take less dmg then light, thats just armor wise.

and you take slightly less dmg not by much tho

at least i haven't tested armors in awhile 🤔

been wondering that myself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

intersting, never really played with C2 . i wouldn't suggest standing front of a door if you blow it, incase suspects are behind it

true

i wonder if any of the ai traits affect c2....

[noble pasture]

Is C2 strong enough?

[covert aurora]

maybe?

i mean more of the stunning effect.

[frail pier]

Does it? See that's what I thought but someone said heavy vs light doesn't matter. It's what you choose for armor (ceramic, steel, kevlar) and if it's front, front,back or full coverage(Which doesn't matter on light) I can't tell the acceleration difference from light armor front only ceramic vs heavy armor front ceramic only.

[covert aurora]

yeah you accelerate slower

with heavy armor

[frail pier]

Damn it's like barely noticeable then? I usually swap weapons second I spawn. Do you know exact penalty numbers?

[covert aurora]

it's barely noticable but it is there, i do not know the exact numbers unfortunetly

[frail pier]

Ahh okay. I typically run that with frontal ceramic for most levels and let the kevlar fill the rest.

[jolly verge]

light/heavy have no effect on speed/acceleration, plates do

[frail pier]

AHH see that's what I thought

[covert aurora]

huh.... 🤔 i always thought it was the armor

[frail pier]

Yeh like I swapped a bit testing and could tell the difference between ceramic and steel. You almost gas lighted me

[covert aurora]

did they change that at somepoint?

[jolly verge]

Kevlar is 0% penalty, Ceramic - 5% and Steel 23%, only acceleration penalty per plate, not speed

[frail pier]

So ceramic heavy with front is good like I thought since it fills the sides and back with kevlar?

Against rifles no but smaller arms.

But not sides

[jolly verge]

You wont notice difference with 3 ceramic plates vs none/kevlar

it's 0.48 vs 0.56 seconds to get full speed

[covert aurora]

that's not really much of a difference

[jolly verge]

you can't remove plates from light/heavy vest, it's always will be kevlar on all sides if you did not choose anything

[frail pier]

Yeah that's what I mean. Front ceramic only and the rest fills kevlar

[jolly verge]

if you choose No plates all sides will be with kevlar

[jolly verge]

Yeap, correct

Plate, material, does not matter, i just saying that you cant fully remove it from armor

[frail pier]

If you choose only front instead of full or front/back the rest gets placed with kevlar.

Kevlar is not a plate no though lol

S Rank speedruns though that extra 2 slots are probs worth

I'll get to that one day when I finish the any% category

Honestly for shit like gas station and how optimized that is now Kevlar kinda clutch when it's only 4 suspects

[covert aurora]

truth

[jolly verge]

I just saying that you cant remove it from armor, that all

sure it's good as free protection

[frail pier]

But rifle rounds lel only kevlar

[jolly verge]

it's always protect for 50%, even if it's penetrated

[frail pier]

Wait so Kevlar only on heavy will still put plates?

Then what I said earlier is bullshit since it didn't help on gas station if it does that no?

I'm getting more questions than answers lol

[jolly verge]

kevlar always will in light/heavy armor if you did not choose anything or choose front only or front and back

[covert aurora]

yes far left on the coverage section

[jolly verge]

We have it, but it's will give kevlar

[frail pier]

You can choose Kevlar. I did full but I thought he was saying it would still add actual plates.

I know?

I was confused that's why I was asking

[covert aurora]

also #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art that's no plates at all on heavy armor

[frail pier]

Yeh.

[jolly verge]

Yeah, that kevlar protection

[covert aurora]

well no coverage

[jolly verge]

now choose ceramic plates and choose no coverage again

you will wear kevlar plates, i just keep saying it

[covert aurora]

no coverage mean's you get no plates at all just the armor

[jolly verge]

No coverage = kevlar plates on light/heavy vest, on all sides

[frail pier]

It all makes sense now

[covert aurora]

the vest i mean

you just get your vest

[jolly verge]

you can bug out paperdoll by choosing ceramic plates and then choose no coverage, you will have no armor on model, but in fact you still have kevlar protection

yeap

[frail pier]

Everyone gets kevlar

Where Oprah at with the kevvies

[jolly verge]

Yeap, light only front and back, heavy have all sides

nope, stab vest dont have any protection at all

i hope they gonna fix ui in update

[balmy shale]

Hello

[frail pier]

Stab vest for glass cannon 15 slot chad

[balmy shale]

This new DLC Home Invasion he will be free? Or he cost?

[jolly verge]

free for supporters and cost $9.99/€9.99 for everyone else

[balmy shale]

Wait what

10 €?

[jolly verge]

yeap, also only host need it, everyone else without dlc will be able to start maps with him

[covert aurora]

^

[jolly verge]

we also have ceramic that can hold 9 shots from 7.62x51 before it's being broken x 3 = 27 shots with no health damage, but it's will be fixed in update for sure

[slender patrol]

you guys think the DLC will just be a map pack with a few weapons, or is there any new gameplay features/mechanics

[covert aurora]

it's just 3 maos 3 new weapons new cosmetic stuff

at least so far

aswell as UE5

[scarlet minnow]

I love to play this game. Is there any Informations about an release on console?

Because by now I only played on others peoples pcs because I cant purchase my one at the moment

[rain zealot]

hi gang
im in coyote trying to get the revolver achievement and i cant find the last guy
if i call in the ai with bean bag shotguns will the achievement still count

[jolly verge]

yes, swat ai can kill everyone for you, it's will count

[rain zealot]

ty for tellin me

[silver palm]

Not yet

Though I'll doubt it'll come on last-gen

[rain zealot]

acgbievement didnt count

[jolly verge]

what else did you use?

[stone bay]

hey, i have unlocked all maps before and when i came back to game (not even reinstalling, it was sitting on my drive) my entire progress got wiped but when i complete mission i see my highest rank of what i had before, can i restore my save or just unlock all maps in some way?

[jolly verge]

what about customization unlocks?

there commander and practice mode, which one you played before?

[stone bay]

None, only thing left are my marks. I do have S in 23 megabytes but anime girl tattoo is locked for example

[stone bay]

Practice mode only, never played commander

[jolly verge]

I can send you save file with everything unlocked if you want

[stone bay]

yes please, i would appreciate it a lot

[short hearth]

It says the game is using 0% GPU, surely that can't be right.

Was using 80% last time I was playing earlier.

[jolly verge]

with what you checking usage?

[short hearth]

The uh, the alt+r command from the Nvidia overlay.

I was playing an hour ago, was tweaking graphics settings to try and see if I can get this game to not run like crap.

[jolly verge]

what cpu you have?

[frail pier]

Don't use that. It doesn't show the proper gpu usage in game. Mine stayed at 60% while task manager showed otherwise.

[short hearth]

I had like 20% CPU and 85% GPU usage on that overlay display.

Changed a buncha graphics settings and rebooted, now it's saying 0% on GPU and 37% on CPU. 🤷‍♂️

Even with lower settings, surely it can't be zero right? I'll try Task Manager.

[frail pier]

Yeah idk GeForce overlay tweaks out with RoN

[short hearth]

Okay GPU says 37% on task manager.

[empty thistle]

What graphic settings should I lower to optimize the gameplay?

[short hearth]

I finally found settings where the game's FPS is bearable, and those settings are like the lowest ever.

[jolly verge]

what your pc specs?

[short hearth]

I'm getting almost 120fps now, god it's nice to enjoy this game in a smooth less jittery way.

Also tried DX12 for once, normally I did DX11 since it felt better.

[frail pier]

Replay editor I think is bugged and defaults to off but if it's on try turning it off. Could help the stuttering

[short hearth]

Mine? What specs do you need? Just CPU and GPU?

[short hearth]

Stuttering is fixed now, not sure which tweak fixed it, but thank god it's gone. I'll check the replay option now as a bonus.

[empty thistle]

Geforce 1650, intel core i7 16gb ram

any recommended settings?

[short hearth]

I have an AMD Ryzen 5 7600 and an RTX 3060, should be able to enjoy this game somewhat smoothly right?

Looking to grab a 4070 Super but friends told me to wait until prices go down as there are apparently new GPU releases around the corner.

[frail pier]

Oh my God yes tf? You should be able to max out the game and still be high framerate on most maps?

If not all maps?

Not like this is the next crysis 3

[short hearth]

Really? I have struggled performance wise on this game since day one, and I've owned and played it for a long time. Only today do I feel like I've finally got it running smoothly, and I've got almost everything turned to low / off just to make that happen.

I dunno how people are running reshade with this game when I can barely get it running well vanilla.

[jolly verge]

you on dx12?

[short hearth]

I am now, normally I was on DX11.

I tried both back in the day, and DX12 had tons more stutter so I stuck with DX11.

[jolly verge]

it's because it compile shaders on demand

[short hearth]

It seems the trick was using DX12 but putting everything to low?

[jolly verge]

you can put settings at epic with this setup

[short hearth]

Hm, guess I can turn up one setting to epic at a time and see how it affects my FPS.

[frail pier]

DLSS?

[steel cypress]

If 1.1 update came, how do I open RON's SDK?

[short hearth]

Yeah I normally use DLSS, got it set to "performance", it was on quality before I think.

[frail pier]

Try ultra quality but turn anti alias all the way down

[jolly verge]

no need to, it's will be override by dlss anyway

[frail pier]

Ahh good to know nvm

[short hearth]

Okay but keep shadows, post process, anti alias, VFX etc. all low yeah?

Texture going to epic should be fine in theory because it says it uses vram for this and I have 12GB vram I think?

[frail pier]

I mean if you want the game to look good yeh. But I was under the impression that made a difference but I guess I was wrong.

[jolly verge]

texture setting right now really do nothing, keep it on epic

[frail pier]

Decals for sure are nice...

[short hearth]

Definitely want the game to look good, but first priority is smooth gameplay.

[jolly verge]

Yeah, keep decals on and 100%

[short hearth]

Yeah already got decals enabled and 100% it seems.

Nice still capped at 120fps.

Oh yeah I made it cap at 120fps, I hear in some games this is better than uncapped.

I'm not very PC savvy, used to console gaming, so still wrapping my head around all these settings.

[jolly verge]

what your monitor refresh rate?

[short hearth]

144hz I think?

[jolly verge]

144

[frail pier]

Probs 144

[short hearth]

So I should set it to 144 FPS cap?

[jolly verge]

yeah

[frail pier]

It only goes to 140 I think right?

[urban walrus]

SDK will arrive at a later date, no concrete release date as of now.

[short hearth]

I notice some games don't have 144 as an option, maybe I should change my monitor refresh rate to 120?

[jolly verge]

you can use external apps to cap frames, rivatuner for example, or directly in nvidia control panel

[frail pier]

I've heard some people say rivatuner is better for limiting than nvidia control panel. But idk the science behind that.

[jolly verge]

that true

[short hearth]

I use Nvidia Control Panel sometimes to turn up my gamma for Tarkov.

[frail pier]

Cheater
Jk

[short hearth]

Too many rats in the shadows.

[fervent wren]

anyone know the price of Home Invasion?

[frail pier]

10!

[noble pasture]

9.99 usd @fervent wren

[fervent wren]

ok thanks

[short hearth]

10 bucks I think. If host owns it, others don't need to have it to play.

[fervent wren]

never want to play with randos too much troll

[short hearth]

You guys think I can increase these other settings while maintaing my 120FPS?

I like muh grafiks when possible.

[frail pier]

One way to find out

[noble pasture]

Lower shit like shadows, sfx and maybe view distance

[jolly verge]

i wont recommend lower view distance, it's already too low even on epic

[short hearth]

Time for trial and error I guess.

[frail pier]

Ok view distance is wilddddd.

[short hearth]

Yeah even on epic I've noticed stuff just pop in at comical distances. Thought that was just me. :/

[noble pasture]

View distance is useless in RoN

[jolly verge]

That fixable only by editing engine.ini

ofc it's will cost a few frames

[short hearth]

Eh, too big brain for me, at least for now, I'll focus on the in-game tweaks first.

Please sir, more frames.

[frail pier]

Oh nah it's not useless. Try lowering it and do nightclub. Middle tunnel if doors are open to dance floor and bar you can't see what's rendered in bar from coat jacket

[noble pasture]

Your engagement range is usually 2-20 meters, you wont need to eyeball targets past that

[frail pier]

Ehh I'm gonna strongly disagree. I've tested that in a lot of places because I thought the same thing.

[short hearth]

Okay, so assuming these settings don't need a restart to apply, I set shadows, post process, vfx to medium, and view distance to epic, still at 120fps. 🙏

[jolly verge]

keep in mind that in mission with bots your fps might will drop and even more in multiplayer

[stone bay]

are you guys gonna buy the new dlc?

[short hearth]

You know back in my console gaming days I'd be happy with 30fps, but I recently got my FPS higher in Tarkov and I could feel a significant difference in how well I was able to play. So lately I've been trying to be more aware of my fps in-game.

[short hearth]

Absolutely. My friends are looking forward to it.

Oh, game crashed.
I noticed DX12 crashes more often than my DX11 sessions, probably another reason why I used DX11 before.

[jolly verge]

If your game crashing you really want to know why, could be hardware related problem

[short hearth]

I don't really know how to even know why.

[jolly verge]

since you have more frames on dx12 = more usage on cpu/gpu it's might be the case

[short hearth]

I just send them the crash reports so maybe they can tell me some day lol.

[frail pier]

Temps?

[jolly verge]

you can send it to me and i will take a look

[short hearth]

I only get crashes like this in RoN though, not with other games. My temps seem okay I think.

[short hearth]

How do I even send crash reports to other people?

[jolly verge]

It's still not game related crash, it's just might push gpu/cpu better than other games and cause it

[jolly verge]

All crashlogs saved on your storage, that the path %LocalAppData%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\Crashes

[short hearth]

I'm also not running any mods for now, so definitely not mod related crashes.

[jolly verge]

you can open CrashContext.runtime-xml file and check error/callstack

[short hearth]

I see saved game folder but not crashes folder.

[jolly verge]

mean you in game folder, what i send above is different

it's in appdata

paste it into explorer url or in win+r

[short hearth]

Sorry I'm not very savvy with this stuff, you mean I need to launch the game to see it?

[jolly verge]

no need to launch game, all logs in folder

[short hearth]

Right, this folder yes? I'm trying to find this, I figured it was the RoN game folder in my steam folder, no?

[jolly verge]

it's not

press win+r and paste %LocalAppData%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\Crashes

[short hearth]

Ah, okay.

Okay, I see two folders with like long gibberish names come up.

UE4CC-Windows etc.

[jolly verge]

yeah, open last one and then CrashContext.runtime-xml file

[short hearth]

Open in browser you said, right?

[jolly verge]

you open this file with notepad or any text app

[short hearth]

Okay done, opened in notepad.

[jolly verge]

does error says anything specific or just bunch of numbers?

[short hearth]

Looks like matrix code to me. 🤷‍♂️

[jolly verge]

find ErrorMessage or just send file to me, i will say for sure

[short hearth]

Having trouble pasting it since it was triggering the spam filters or something.

"LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 1209]
GameThread timed out waiting for RenderThread after 120.00 secs"

I was alt tabbed talking to you guys in Discord when it crashed, is the error saying I was AFK too long?

[jolly verge]

That a common error, can be caused by overclocked gpu, broken gpu driver, unstable ram sticks

[short hearth]

Hm, well my CPU isn't overclocked, so maybe the other two.

[jolly verge]

how frequently it's crash?

[short hearth]

RoN? In DX12 it feels like it will almost always crash during a session. In DX11, most days it's fine, especially vanilla without mods.

[jolly verge]

Alright, i recommend for test purpose set your fps cap to 60 and set ALL settings to low, if it's wont crash then you have problem with gpu/ram sticks

[steel finch]

Will there ever be muzzle brakes for the SLR47?

[short hearth]

Alright, so back to everything on low again.

[jolly verge]

Just try few missions with it and let me know if it's will be ok

[short hearth]

alright, I'll see how it goes for a whole session until I need a break or it crashes.

[jolly verge]

Would be good, having only suppressor with 10% recoil reduction and both not working combat/angled grip is bad

[short hearth]

Tarkov attachments got me kinda spoiled can't lie.

[steel finch]

yeah the SA58 has easier recoil with a brake on

[short hearth]

Oh and is Mod Nexus still the "defacto" place for RoN mods?

I know the game had an in-game mod section but at the time I recall people still preferred using Mod Nexus.

[jolly verge]

Yes, dont use modio

[short hearth]

[short hearth]

You were mentioning how DX12 compiles shaders on demand, is this a good thing? It seems like normally in games it compiles shaders on launch or something, sorta like pre-loads them. Seems a lot more intensive to have them sorta dynamically generated or whatever.

[jolly verge]

Yeah, dx12 cant pre load shaders on level like 11 can, it's will compile shaders only when you encountering them

pso caching in ue 5.3 will reduce amount of stutters on first start

[stoic vortex]

damn. Home Invasion releases on my birthday

[short hearth]

But I'm guessing the way DX12 does it is better somehow right? Otherwise why not do it the old way?

[jolly verge]

It's just can't, that two different api, 11 is high level and 12 is low level

[short hearth]

And uh, is there a more transparent breakdown on how attachments reduce recoil or which guns have how much recoil etc.

[short hearth]

Okay, not sure what high and low level means, but guessing it's a case of sacrificing shader caching for other features.

[jolly verge]

yeah, in this case dx12 can utilize CPU much better compare to 11

[jolly verge]

Check this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?usp=sharing

Weapons/Mods tab

Dont use combat/angled grips on rifles, they both do nothing

[short hearth]

Damn, combat grips were the coolest.

[jolly verge]

You can keep it if you like

you will lose only 10% recoil reduction from vertical one

just keep smfb muzzle for 40%

[short hearth]

Okay I don't use spreadsheets much and not sure where the heck the "menu" on this google doc is lol.

Gotcha, so muzzle break over supressors for big recoil gains.

[jolly verge]

yeap

[short hearth]

I'm partial to the SR16 so trying to mitigate recoil on it as much as I can.

[frail pier]

Personally I'd rather deal with high vertical than any horizontal. You're still gonna have it but the less the better imo

[short hearth]

Yeah same.

[jolly verge]

well we dont have any horizontal on all rifles and on some smgs

[frail pier]

I thought some guns buck to left and right? Doesn't MCX?

[short hearth]

Seems the SR-16 is rated "fine" among the 5.56 rifles.

[jolly verge]

it's not recoil, idk what to call it

[frail pier]

Okay recoil mightve been the wrong word. Horizontal control?

[short hearth]

G36C definitely felt the most comfy to shoot, looks like this table reflects that, ARWC seems to fall into that same category too.

[frail pier]

G36 OP... it's a literal laser

[mossy agate]

I wish you a happy birthday, bro

[gaunt gale]

SA58 best gun in existance

Hands down

[short hearth]

Yeah, I use it way too much, I prefer the SR-16 aesthetically but the recoil difference is noticeable.

[jolly verge]

Not horizontal recoil, idk how to call it properly, all rifles have 0 base horizontal recoil pattern, what you see is just some gun twitching, it's will be larger with hipfire + when your arm is injured, and you cant reduce it with any attachment

[frail pier]

Stop you're gonna get the fucker nerfed I stg

[short hearth]

SA-58 I use when I want everything to be an easy one or two tap.

[gaunt gale]

Not if I have anything to say about it

[short hearth]

Would be cool to see the SCAR-H in the game some day for some more 7.62x51 type guns.

[frail pier]

If the other guns were obnoxiously loud like it I'd have more variety.

[short hearth]

Oh yeah they're adding new guns with the DLC.

[mossy agate]

the mp7 literally exists...

[gaunt gale]

You're free to be wrong, friend.

[frail pier]

When more loud ass weapons

I want tenitius not pea shooters.

[mossy agate]

mg42 or I ain't playin'

[short hearth]

I do like my unsupressed guns to deafen me too.

[merry kindle]

Why use a rifle when I can full auto mag dump a p90

I paid for all 50rd in the mag, I'm going to use all 50rd

[frail pier]

Honestly headshot bursts go hard with p90.

The only acceptable SMG

[mossy agate]

erm... technically speaking the government paid for those rounds ☝️🤓

[merry kindle]

I pay taxes, therefore they're mine

[acoustic knot]

Wich hour the dlc release

[silver palm]

Check the steam page

[acoustic knot]

im bad at maths what hour it will be in 29 hours

[elder void]

Yo! Where the timings for DLC at??

[shy lake]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3015760/Ready_or_Not_Home_Invasion/

[tranquil swallow]

is the release date new zealand time?

[shy lake]

The projected hour being 2130 for me is gonna be rough, it'd be wicked cool if HI drops just a few hours earlier. 🤞

[shy lake]

The store page gives a countdown regardless of what timezone you're in.

[noble pasture]

So aparentely The Governor Freemont is on USIA's side

[shy tulip]

Or does it?

https://tenor.com/view/vsause-michael-michael-vsause-vsause-michael-gif-25125732

[tacit gull]

Yes, it does

[stone stump]

funfact: they aren't

[shy tulip]

They aren't? That's crazy

[twin ginkgo]

why do i feel like the swat ai too accurate with their shots

[mossy agate]

sometimes they are but recently they also started magdumping a lot

[twin ginkgo]

i never saw them magdump before

they just keep 1 tapping suspects lol

[shy tulip]

And people still say that they're not deadly enuff

Mfs will straight up drop people

[shy lake]

The SWAT AI usually start spraying when they either can't fully see the suspect, have been injured enough, or the overall tempo of the game has been a bullet storm.

Basically the tighter control you have over the situation, the better your officers will perform.

[short hearth]

@jolly verge been running the game non-stop for a while now and no crash yet. All settings on low, capped at 60fps like you said. What does this mean?

[jolly verge]

You probably have broken gpu driver or bad settings for ram in bios
Try reinstall gpu driver, clean old one using DDU, if it's does not help you might have unstable ram memory (too low voltage, bad xmp profile and etc)
Let me know in DM if reinstalling gpu driver does not help, i will try to help with ram settings in bios

[short hearth]

I'm gonna try and google these to see how to do them.

[versed trail]

Yo guys, does anybody know when will the update drop? (time)

[shy tulip]

The store page has a countdown

[versed trail]

thanks didnt see that

[limber steppe]

~4 hours from now, tomorrow

[noble pasture]

Is Sig Mcx good?

[jolly verge]

yes it's good

[limber steppe]

I've used it for a while on my commander save, yeah it's pretty good

[noble pasture]

Should I run AP on it?

[jolly verge]

you fine with JHP, unless you encounter level 4 armor

[noble pasture]

I seen only penalty in damage to AP is 10 less damage

[limber steppe]

I usually run JHP/AP depending on what suspects I remember are in a certain level

[noble pasture]

Bots will try to wallbang with JHP and bullets fail to do so

Also even a sheet of wood stops JHP

[limber steppe]

Bots try to wallbang with beanbag

(Not really related to anything being said here but I just find it funny)

[jolly verge]

im not sure, but i think all bots dealing almost zero damage anyway when wall banging after ai nerf

[noble pasture]

So wasted ammo?

[jolly verge]

i guess so

i might be wrong with it, i did not test it really

player receive almost no damage from bot's wallbanging

[noble pasture]

Can bots wallbang other bots?

[jolly verge]

pretty sure they can

[noble pasture]

I am feeling adventurous, give bots smg's?

Okay so with SMG's cant pen mostly Lvl 3 and 4 armors

[jolly verge]

.45 and 10mm JHP is good option on map without armor

[shy tulip]

If God didn't want you to headshot then he would've made humans into turtles

[jolly verge]

yeah, only mp7 and p90 with AP capable to pen l3a

[noble pasture]

So if I do a smg only run, Elephant, Neon and Sins are only ones impossible since they have level 4?

Or bring P90's and hope for surender/incap?

While Elephant is 4 only, Sins and Neon might have suspects without lvl 4

[jolly verge]

It's not impossible, they just gonna hit more shots to incap suspect

[noble pasture]

With 5,7 ammo it takes 8 shots to incap a lvl 4 suspect

[jolly verge]

On neon only 1 suspect wear it, which actually help to not kill him fast

[jolly verge]

yeah, and you have 4 swat ai + you

[noble pasture]

P90 or Mp7 vs lvl 4 suspects?

[stone bay]

exact same stats with tiny differences in recoil

[jolly verge]

p90 have bad recoil, give it to swat ai and take mp7 for yourself

i mean recoil is fine for low range, but it's just looks bad

[noble pasture]

Semi auto fire smg's?

[stone bay]

no

[jolly verge]

nah, full auto

[noble pasture]

With Ron's recoil?

[jolly verge]

it's not that bad on them

[valid berry]

Would the update dlc release today during midnight or will be tomorrow at 18:00 (BST)

[noble pasture]

Tomorrow evening

[valid berry]

Okay, thank you!

[noble pasture]

For Europe time, I dont know for USA

[valid berry]

If for EU would be in the evening then on US would be during the afternoon

(4 hours difference depending of the state, i guess)

[noble pasture]

Are devs american?

[valid berry]

Idk

[noble pasture]

Nevermind, they are irish

[valid berry]

But about the company I think it's on Ireland

[noble pasture]

I wonder what caused them to make a dystopian USA game

[merry kindle]

Use short bursts vs full autoing it

[valid berry]

Sierra Swat 3/ 4 games in the mix and there it goes with RON

[noble pasture]

Swat 4 was the fall into chaos, Ready or Not is rock bottom

[valid berry]

I do miss some features like the snipers from Swat 4

[noble pasture]

Snipers were controllable cameras

[valid berry]

Yea

[noble pasture]

Couldnt really shoot it, RoE violation

[valid berry]

Unless if there is danger stuff with hostages casualties

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-sniper-sniper-meet-the-team-gif-11818639517365298960

[noble pasture]

Gonna give the bots the new pdw pistol coming tomorrow

[valid berry]

Aye

[noble pasture]

I wonder if second mag is usable

[jolly verge]

#💬general-discussion message

[noble pasture]

Ah

[noble pasture]

Will that also be triggered by empty mag reload?

[jolly verge]

idk, probably

check ron speedruns, they doing some maps under 2 min

[stable kernel]

Estimated release (adjusted to your reported timezone) is this according to the steam page <t:1721761200:F>

[paper glen]

So late? Damn

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-went-as-planned-matty-matheson-lamb-neck-taco-induced-visions-everything-went-off-without-any-problems-everything-went-off-without-a-hitch-gif-26335798

America stay winnin

[prime mural]

Zero point of smg if ur gonna semi auto ngl

[shy tulip]

The hostage infront of the suspect:

[valid berry]

Okay thank you for the confirmation!

[merry kindle]

Huge W, DLC comes out when I get home from work tomorrow

[pliant void]

dunno why we cant pre purchase the DLC for tomorrow 😦

[pliant void]

whatever 8pm UK 9pm EU is for you

[vivid crescent]

Not in vanilla!

The PSP game Target Liberty notably "half-fixed" this by having snipers just be in scripted sequences where a guy is using a hostage as a shield. (So you're allowed to pop that guy and maybe more if you don't mind a score reduction.)

So how often/quickly do enemies "get up" after surrendering?

I usually secured quickly while hoping the AI covered my back since it's kinda inconsistent in SWAT. (SWAT 3/4 AI rarely gets up while Target Liberty AI gets up fast if another suspect opens fire on you to take advantage of that.)

[unborn yacht]

Hello. How are you doing?

I gots a question

I got the supporter edition upgrade forever ago. I was wondering if I will get the home invasion expansion,? because of me owning the Supporter edition

[shy tulip]

Yes

[unborn yacht]

Thank you. How are you doing?

I gots another question. Is it possible to play Home Invasion Solo with AI?

or is it Multiplayer situated?

[silk junco]

you can definitely play solo

locking it to MP only would be an awful decision

[blissful harness]

No damage from wall bang, but it could still cause artery bleeding.

[stone bay]

If you buy the new dlc, you can play solo, otherwise you gonna need a player with the dlc to play it for free

[blissful harness]

Ngl, it's 23rd for me, but Asian timezone demands that the DLC releases at 3 AM in 24th.

[jolly verge]

which is good, since you can heal from it

[hidden kindle]

hello, I was wondering about one thing. If you play coop and have officer skins/uniforms mod (only affects the uniform of the officers) without having any mods that change gameplay, does the person that you want to play with still needs to install all the uniform/skin mods?