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[amber hearth]

No like he's mind controlled or forced to do all the stuff

[boreal fossil]

no way bro is tryna justify what he does

[orchid sequoia]

It's real they shoot themselves

[copper cypress]

How many secondary weapon magazines do you guys carry for your Ai teammates?

[half ether]

where do i change my armor im so lost theres only the option of stab vest and no armor

[orchid sequoia]

1

[orchid sequoia]

??????

[copper cypress]

Really!? Aren't you worried that all the ammunition for their main weapons will be used up?

One of my Ai teammates once used up all 4 pepper ball magazines, but the mission was definitely messed up at that time lol

[orchid sequoia]

I don't know how you use your AI but that shit doesn't looks good ahah

I mean if in non lethal you let your AI enter without you you're doomed

[copper cypress]

All right😂

[half ether]

https://discordapp.com/channels/310075021882294272/921528178789474314/1216668789098287215

no option for anything else

i have no mods installed i deleted my mods.io folder even and still nothing

[manic linden]

18 missions isnt a small amount but it feels like a half game after completing port

like theres still ton of content missing. maybe because despite single player mode it feels like finishing any other mission. iunno, pretty half assed experience tbh

any mods or anything to make acogs usable? jesus what a piece of shit lol. it blocks so much of the screen that evne when youre aiming you still cant tell where anything is. does anyone find them usable? x4 or x8?

[finite crane]

does anyone know if the Alt+F4 bug still works as a methos to beat the game without dying?

[manic linden]

works for me when it comes to officers dying and stress n stuff

[amber hearth]

I think Judge is behind all the criminal stuffs

[manic linden]

not sure about achievement completion

[half ether]

Doesnt that close your game?

[finite crane]

when was the last time you tried it? is the achievement bug perhaps?

i just did the method and i didnt get nothing

[finite crane]

it does

[manic linden]

i havent tried to do it for the achievement in iron man mode, but i had officers die mid fight without paramedic and when i alt f4'ed they were fine after. just anxious or stressed

[finite crane]

so it only works for the officers to be fine but not to get the achievement? can anyone confirm that? if not then i sure can confirm it dont work like that if the achievement isn't bug

[orchid sequoia]

I know 1 solution, uninstal, re-instal

[sturdy gazelle]

Is there any mod that delete the bombs in school and hospital mission?

[copper cypress]

No

[lone comet]

Team being loud as always

[upbeat heath]

is the gas station bulletproof glass door intentional or no

i cant shoot thru the glass but i can shoot thru the metal

also suspecs are able to shoot thru the galss

[orchid sequoia]

I don't think so

[earnest phoenix]

you can use https://ron.recursiveprojects.cloud/AI_Mod and set MaxBombs in mode-specific options to 0

[tacit gull]

That's true, but it won't work with any other AI mod i think

[earnest phoenix]

i made one mod with it and some people said it didnt work with seemingly random mods

[twilit robin]

is it just me or are the mindjot guards the most well armed in the game

[earnest phoenix]

guys on brisa cove have actual lmgs and rifles while mindjot guards mostly have smgs/slr

[thorny magnet]

Yeah, but theres like 10-13 suspects in Mindjot, and Ides of March has 10 at most

[manic linden]

any mods to make acogs usable? x4 or x8? shit sucks so much ass

[stone stump]

there aren't any acogs in the game tho?

[amber hearth]

can you defuse a bomb like RoN in irl

just...nibble it with a leatherman?

i mean why are those IED guys getting paid a lot(i assume so) its a scam

[manic linden]

there are

scopes. whatever dude who cares what its called

[stone stump]

should've called them tubes with glass inside if no one cares

[umbral oar]

ok

[copper cypress]

Have any of you ever experienced a crash when moving somewhere in a certain level?

[orchid sequoia]

No I didn't

You did ?

[tepid wigeon]

No. Why do you want to do that? I like the bombs missions

[sturdy gazelle]

I prefer without bombs and make it purely active shooter mission where the shooter hunt down the hostages

More intense

[copper cypress]

Yes

[tepid wigeon]

I wish they would add cowboy boots, they would fit with my outfit

And they look cool

[acoustic eagle]

ai cannot be trusted with live ammunition of any kind

[jade pawn]

💯

[tepid wigeon]

💯💯

[copper cypress]

What do you mean

[tepid wigeon]

Playing Ready Or Not, just got team-killed after trying to get away to stop the bleeding

[copper cypress]

You need to hide behind your teammates.

[tepid wigeon]

And get them killed

[copper cypress]

lol

[past warren]

Dawg one of the suspects on sin of father started shooting out of nowhere (he was across the map) and somehow incapacitated himself

(He was the last suspect and I was trying to do S rank)

[copper cypress]

Will firing another shot at an apparently dead suspect lower my rating?

[past warren]

No, unless they’re incapacitated

[copper cypress]

Oh~ Ok @@

[manic linden]

you have no friends

[copper cypress]

How to tell if a suspect is incapacitated or dead?

[past warren]

When you report them

Or if they’re groaning real loud (they’re incapacitated)

[acoustic eagle]

uh well usually if u riddle someone with bullets they're dead

[orchid sequoia]

I was right

[past warren]

I didn’t have replay on since Ready or not fails to keep that on

[orchid sequoia]

I trust you brother thanks for proving me right

[fierce rain]

am i allowed to play online as 14

[sudden marsh]

14 what?

[fierce rain]

years

[sudden marsh]

you're playing tlou2 why would it matter

the both violent games lol

[fierce rain]

yeah but the online feature

with real people

[sudden marsh]

unless theres specific guidelines in place it doesnt matter

[fierce rain]

how would i know about the guidelines

[sudden marsh]

its another word for rules and they dont appear anywhere in the game

[fierce rain]

alright thank you

[acoustic eagle]

whats the brightest armor so ppl stop shooting me even with the hawaiian shirt on

[fierce rain]

shoot back

[livid sluice]

Don’t wear armor, let those colors fly!

[summer copper]

does literally anybody use the 4x

im desperately trying to find a reason to pick it over a regular ass red dot

[plush pebble]

why is it in the game in the first place

It's not like the game revolves around a sniper

[summer copper]

its literally so useless

sure you can get long range kills but lmfao if they dont know youre there then you get unauthorised use of force

using it on port rn and its just a burden

[crude prism]

the only real reason to use it is for the -20% recoil

[summer copper]

so yeah it is useless

[opaque birch]

i like it....

[crude prism]

pretty much, there's like one or two spots in the whole game where it would be 'useful'

[opaque birch]

its cool.....

[crude prism]

rule of cool trumps all, it's true

[opaque birch]

thats why the 357 is in the game

[plush pebble]

Most of the game is close quarters so a shotgun, rifle or pistol is the best. Red dot and laser are probably the best for quick accurate (kind of) hip firing and close quarter shooting in general.

[stone stump]

XD

[crude prism]

obviously we need a 20x too because the 12x just doesn't cut it

I need to be able to count nose hairs

[plush pebble]

Nahh we need the Samsung S23 camera as a scope

100x well see the hair follicles

[opaque birch]

if we aint got a microscope in the game i aint playin

[stone stump]

scopes are in the game for the same reason smgs are - illusion of choice

[summer copper]

at least the 357 works at most ranges you will encounter playing this videogame

[summer copper]

acting like SMGs are bad indoors

[opaque birch]

yeah fr dont shit on smgs bro

[summer copper]

MP7 is cracked

[stone stump]

MP7 isn't really a smg

[opaque birch]

crazy take

[summer copper]

mp7 has got to be the most textbook smg

apart from mp5

[opaque birch]

mp5 is like

THE smg

[summer copper]

unless youre tryna call it a PDW but PDWs are just SMGs

[opaque birch]

pdws are just fancy smgs

[stone stump]

good to know that modern weapons such as mcx rattler are just a fancy smgs

[summer copper]

lol dont deep it bro

[opaque birch]

yeah

sbrs are just a tier above smgs

[summer copper]

PDW: hybrid between SMG and a carbine

[opaque birch]

and pdws arent real theyre just a psyop

[summer copper]

fancy SMG

[manic linden]

yeah loads of weapons but really lack of choice. its al the same lol

im still pissed at scopes. theyre so unusuable

[stone stump]

yeah, the similarities are shocking

[opaque birch]

yeah they both short n stuff

but one is rifle caliber and other is pistol caliber

[summer copper]

how the fuck would they change the guns??

[manic linden]

same as any other game does it on this planet

knowing this dev theyd change it for the worse. if they ever bothered to touch this game past 1.0 release

[summer copper]

and how might that be

[summer copper]

your pessimism is astounding

[manic linden]

bro doing free pr for a dev lol.

how about changing damage for one? you can literally use the same gun in every possible situation in this game and the outcome will be literally the same. shooting in the shoulder, knee, arm, stomach. 1 or 2 bullets is always the same it either makes them surrender or insta kill em.

how about make the recoil a bit more different at the very least?

maybe change the sound so they dont sound nearly the same in most cases?

fucking anything

[summer copper]

if, in real life, you get shot twice in the chest. you would die, no?

or you most likely would. with any bullet. from .22 long rifle to .50bmg

different calibre bullets create different recoil patterns

if 90% of the SMGs shoot 9mm, then would it not be safe to assume that the recoil would not at least be similar?

[modern ibex]

I mean looking at PDs irl most of them get the same thing lmao

It's all AR15 everywhere

[opaque birch]

we gotta get more ar15 fellas

[modern ibex]

Real

[opaque birch]

different ar15s! for different stuff!

[modern ibex]

Need like 20 more

You know they are different

[summer copper]

remove every gun except for the MP5 and AR15 equivalent for true realism

[opaque birch]

they should add a hk417 with a microscope attached for a scope

[modern ibex]

I need a laser blaster for a change

All guns in this game only shoots bullet they're the same

[opaque birch]

i need me a bazooka fuck the ROE

[astral warren]

If you're running the SA-58 on a more open map like Cheryssa Farms then it can be somewhat handy, but I find the magnification to be unnecessary, it just usually lets me have better hit percentage, which isn't so important because the AI can't hit shit at that range. Also the god rays effectively shorten longer sightlines.

Since they're blinding walls of God's fury instead of sunbeams.

[modern ibex]

Also devs should change some gun sfx to random dishes breaking noise so not all gunshots sound like gunshots

[astral warren]

what

[summer copper]

you say that but most of cherryessa is inside the buildings or the towers

[opaque birch]

i never knew i needed this

[modern ibex]

Now you do

[opaque birch]

true

[astral warren]

A lot of it is inside, but when you get around to clearing the more open areas, that is where it can be helpful. Also, you have a 1x magnification for indoors engagements, so it's not like you lose the ability to aim in CQB.

[summer copper]

the most open map is easily port and i just used it on that map and i wouldve done better without it lol cuz sniping people fucks your score

[astral warren]

It's nice on Postage too for the outside area.

[astral warren]

Sniping people is fine if they're shooting at you.

[summer copper]

i mean like cross map sniping

[opaque birch]

i honestly just run the scope for aesthetics and nothing else

[astral warren]

You just violated ROE somehow, which is fair because it can be hard to read animations at distance.

[summer copper]

im not walking all the way across the map to get their attention

[astral warren]

Just send a bot over lol

[summer copper]

just so that they can shoot me to ALLOW me to shoot htem back

[astral warren]

Use it like a K9, "hmmm, does he have a gun? let's see if the dog comes back!"

[summer copper]

ATF moment

[modern ibex]

I'm glad yall aren't real officers

[opaque birch]

that dog was armed and shooting back bro

[opaque birch]

holy shit dude

[summer copper]

i would be the master chief of the SWAT team

[opaque birch]

bro would be the final boss of SWAT

[summer copper]

i would

[modern ibex]

Ngl I would like a RoN boss fight

[summer copper]

i mean just look. 12 S ranks, like damn

[summer copper]

how would that even play out

[modern ibex]

Idk

[astral warren]

RoN boss fight would just be waco siege but you aren't allowed to burn the building down.

[modern ibex]

Beslan siege

[summer copper]

bullet sponge enemies is not realistic and hyperaim cracklord enemies is also unrealistic

[opaque birch]

i think it would be one guy like the ted kazcynski stand-in but even stronger

[summer copper]

damn my edgy joke got blocked by the automod

[opaque birch]

lmao

[astral warren]

automod is just obnoxious

[modern ibex]

Skill issue

[opaque birch]

i love spetsnaz so much

[summer copper]

i have 245 hours in ultrakill

[opaque birch]

devs add an as val plz

[astral warren]

I have seen people say things here it definitely should not let them and I have seen people have to try typing a sentence expressing frustrating towards a game mechanic or map design choice 3 times before giving up because automod won't let them passionately criticize the game.

[summer copper]

devs please add barrett m87 im begging you void please

[astral warren]

ultrakill big funny

[opaque birch]

i saw a guy be openly racist yesterday and it took a real mod for him to get banned

[astral warren]

nah they should add the wizz banger

[summer copper]

lol remember that psycho last night who liked shooting the tied up civvies

[opaque birch]

devs add the ac-130 killstreak

[astral warren]

That's why automod is useless, it can only detect no no words, and not context. I am hoping someone's smart enough to make an AI driven censorship bot at some point for discord that actually considers what the person is saying and not just the words they're using.

[opaque birch]

i was probably sleeping lmao

[summer copper]

devs please let me carpet bomb the entire map devs pls im begging you

[astral warren]

A-10 CAS when?

[summer copper]

damn it mustve been just after you left

[opaque birch]

im glad some of you mfs in this server aint real swat officers

[astral warren]

TOC, this is entry team, send close air support!
FFFFFFRRRRSSSSHHHhhhhhhhhhh
CRRRPRPRPRPRPRPRP
vvvvvvvvvvvt

[summer copper]

oh my god it was 40 minutes after your last message last night

[astral warren]

Real SWAT officers wouldn't send 5 men to deal with a barricaded cop killer with ricin bombs.

Game is silly, idk why you would mention this.

[summer copper]

game can only be so real

[astral warren]

Of course, but given that, it's obvious that strategies employed in this game are completely unacceptable in real life.

[opaque birch]

i mention this because the only reason i didnt get an S on gas station was because i got jumpscared by a guy who was surrendering after i opened a door

[astral warren]

At least it wasn't an acorn.

[stone bay]

Mhello

[astral warren]

And at least you hit him.

[opaque birch]

oh i forget some of you mfs ARE swat officers 😭

[summer copper]

sstill recovering from the jumpscares i endured last night

[opaque birch]

it took me a solid second or 2 to realize i killed a guy who was surrendering

and the game didnt take any points from me lmao

[astral warren]

I am NOT a SWAT officer, lol.

[opaque birch]

nah getting jumpscared by an acorn falling on a car is a thing someone who plays RoN would do

[astral warren]

tbh

The only time I've shot a civilian I can think of was when I overpen'd a wall with 7.62x51 NATO AP and 1 tapped the navy guy on Ides of March.

It was pretty funny to just kick the locked door open and find him dead on the floor.

[opaque birch]

i get jumpscared by civilians constantly

[summer copper]

i killed the everloving shit out of daniela voll a couple times

[astral warren]

The phone animation lol.

[summer copper]

no idea if she was in on it

[opaque birch]

ngl the last time i played that map i got volls wife and volls daughter and executed voll in front of them with a shotgun

[summer copper]

LMAO

[opaque birch]

he deserves it

[opaque birch]

if you unload into someone cuz of the phone animation you are 100% ready to be a police officer

[astral warren]

"You're senior officer, you tell me what's in those barrels?"

[astral warren]

Yeeeeaaahhh...

[opaque birch]

man when someone pointed out the barrels to me and the clothes i was haunted for a while

[summer copper]

trigger discipline? yeah i pull it when i need to

[astral warren]

I remember one time I was trying to S health house and I accidentally domed Voll with the beanbag gun.

Interestingly the beanbag gun is the only weapon in the game that sets health to 0 on headshot rather than having a 3x damage multiplier, or a 2x damage multiplier in 7.62x51 AP's case for some stupid reason.

[opaque birch]

that is pretty stupid

[astral warren]

A lot of this game is pretty stupid.

[summer copper]

the stupid reason is probably that it already executes them anyway

[opaque birch]

the regular shotgun already does that tho unless youre fighting a dude who can live with his head blown off

[astral warren]

slugs or buckshot?

[opaque birch]

either one tbh

[astral warren]

They are both good, but do you prefer either?

[opaque birch]

prolly buckshot

[astral warren]

You want to know some more dumb shit? 7.62x39, the round the SLR47 is chambered in, has the EXACT SAME damage properties as .300blk, despite having like 40% more recoil, and way less attachment options.

Buckshot is funny because no limb damage penalty, so it gibs people, but I find that buckshot kills too often compared to slugs. Slugs put down any suspect with a torso shot so long as they don't have armour 4.

[opaque birch]

i think having the same damage as .300 blk makes sense but 40% more recoil is bullshit

[astral warren]

SLR47 is just the worst rifle in the game, hands down.

[opaque birch]

cuz .300 blk is 762x35 and that is pretty close to 762 soviet

[astral warren]

Yeah, that does make sense, as .300blk was basically supposed to be 7.62x39 ballistics, but if you insist on having video game exagerated kalashnikov recoil, it needs video game exaggerated kaslahnikov damage. At the very least make it more controllable or give it more attachments to improve its controllability.

Yes, seriously.

Yes sir, it is.

[opaque birch]

fuggit make it one tap like in insurgency 😭

[astral warren]

Sandstorm is really fun, honestly. Big mobility + low ttk makes spicy gameplay.

[opaque birch]

762 soviet is weaker than 762 nato

[astral warren]

7.62 soviet IS 7.62x39. 7.62x51 is the same diameter projectile, but with a longer case, so there's more powder and therefore ass behind it.

[opaque birch]

insurgency is like cod but better honestly

[summer copper]

still takes like 2-3 bullets to incap/kill a man

[astral warren]

Suspect health is MUCH higher than your own, they're a lot more resilient than you might think.

In fact, suspect health is not fixed, it can change depending on what map you're on.

[summer copper]

i am going to go and test SLR47 vs the .300 blackout MCX

in terms of killing people

[astral warren]

Identical.

Just make sure you use the same map for the tests, since as I mentioned, health pools for suspects may vary.

[summer copper]

then why is the AK having more recoil such a problem

yeah absolutely, that was a given, was just gonna be apartment

[astral warren]

Because 300blk has less recoil than the AK while doing the same damage.

[opaque birch]

tbh the ak does have a shorter barrel

[astral warren]

So there's no reason to use the SLR47

[summer copper]

early ones

[astral warren]

Not shorter than the ARN-180, also chambered in 300blk

[opaque birch]

does the arn have less recoil than the ak

i feel like it doesnt

[summer copper]

"damage" isnt really a term that makes sense in this game, 2-3 bullets will incap everyone no matter what gun it is

[astral warren]

Use a 9mm SMG and come back.

[summer copper]

in their respective categories*

[astral warren]

In the case of rifles, limb shots can increase htk by 2 shots in some cases.

[summer copper]

i have more problem with hitboxes just not registering with limbs behind doorframes

[astral warren]

That is pretty obnoxious, but just run AP and wallbang them instead.

It is still annoying that if I pick hollow points and I see their limb, which hollow points are good for, I just can't shoot it, and I'll do like 20 damage if I wallbang them so it's just a waste of ammo.

[vestal mauve]

not using shotguns
ngmi

[summer copper]

i have literally never run JHP

were talking about rifles but compare the MP5A3 to other 9mm guns

[astral warren]

here check this spreadsheet out, MMMM(O_O) made it. It might make you change your mind about never running JHP, since it has less overpenn risk and has a bonus against limb damage SOMETIMES depending on the cartridge: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=10760490

[summer copper]

i dont have problems with overpen and i always aim centre mass

[astral warren]

The taser isn't a secondary anymore.

[vestal mauve]

the USP shreds

[astral warren]

It's tactical equipment.

[summer copper]

also the SLR absolutely is not a longer barrel than the ARN-180

[opaque birch]

ak bros.... the arn18 has less recoil... its actually over for us akbros...

[astral warren]

I do like the SLR47, and I want to use it, but it's just handicapping me if I do.

[vestal mauve]

just fell to my knees outside of Cabela's

[astral warren]

I also really want to see SMGs suck less. They should be good for SOMETHING.

[vestal mauve]

they're good in the early maps

[summer copper]

i tried the SLR and its ass lol i hate it

SMGs are good indoors, and full auto

[astral warren]

The rifles are better in the early maps, as lower hit to incap means less clicking, which means a lower margin of error for clicking one too many times.

[vestal mauve]

counterpoint: I set my MP9 to Fun and ARs cant replicate that

[astral warren]

They provide more consistent incapacitation with less risk of causing death, at least the way I play, all while offering lower recoil in some situations because of how little the SMG attachments reduce the recoil, and how the arm injury recoil debuff is a flat value.

MP9 in giggleswitch mode is really funny, I cannot deny.

It's just like, "Man, this ammo's on sale! What am I gonna do with it?"
BRRRRRT
"All gone!"

[vestal mauve]

gives me Perfect Dark flashbacks

[summer copper]

SCP9 is way funner

i really just said "funner", you get my point

[opaque birch]

"oh no please dont shoot me mr police officer man!!"
counterpoint: fun switch on the spc9

[astral warren]

That is a non standard experience but I am glad it worked out.

[summer copper]

i always bring like 6 mags with that gun because i dump half my mag into everyone

[astral warren]

I S ranked with only lethal on gas once.

Every guy I shot with my revovlo played dead.

I was spoon fed that S rank.

[summer copper]

okay so the ARN 180 is a 2 shot incap/3 shot kill on 23MB/s

[astral warren]

I hate CS gas because it's inconsistent like flashbangs and stingers but it also degrades visiblity while maybe not actually incapacitating a suspect, which is bad news bears when someone's mag dumping an AKM at you and you can't figure out where they're shooting from.

[summer copper]

ive never had a problem with CS gas being inconsistent

[astral warren]

Yes. AK will perform the same, but more recoil.

[opaque birch]

cs gas is peak

[astral warren]

I'm not as lucky as some other people who play this game.

[vestal mauve]

for Perfect Dark fun you run MP9 and either the Magnum or TLE as a handgun
for Goldeneye mode you run the P90 and Magnum

[summer copper]

so why should the AK do more damage

[vestal mauve]

if they add the P99 ill be so happy, that was Bond's gun for a few years

[astral warren]

It doesn't have to, but that's one way to make it an actual choice compared to 300blk rifles.

Alternatively just bring its recoil more in line with the 300blk rifles.

[vestal mauve]

G36C my beloved

[opaque birch]

it look like the turkish pistol in squad

[astral warren]

At the very least I think that the .300blk cartridge and the 7.62x39 cartridge should have SEPARATE damage curves, even if the hit to incap is the same, the rounds DO have different ballistics, somewhat, despite being roughly the same size and weight, the muzzle velocity can be very different, and I believe the twist rate with .300blk is different, as well.

[summer copper]

they added so many mechanics just for most bullets to 3 tap

[vestal mauve]

right lmao

[astral warren]

LITERALLY

[vestal mauve]

but hey, for tac shooter nerds like me it's fun to see in action

[astral warren]

Game has so many complex mechanics and none of them are utilized to make the guns feel at all different or distinguishable from each other.

For fucks sake, at least FACTOR in barrel length into penetration.

[vestal mauve]

i dont see the "muh variety" argument, i just like having a ton of options to dick around with

[astral warren]

I understand the game is hitscan, but you can pretend it's a projectile still.

[astral warren]

You have many options to choose from that all play the same. The game is bloated with content it doesn't need.

[summer copper]

how noticeable would it really be that the bullet from that gun spun 100rpm faster than the other gun

[astral warren]

The most confusing thing is they have suppressors that say, "INCREASES MUZZLE VELOCITY" for hand guns, but that's not even a mechanic.

[crude prism]

At the bare minimum .300blk JHP should be nerfed to not pen the suspect medium equivalent.

[astral warren]

Twist rate has SERIOUS consequences on ballistics.

[astral warren]

.300blk is just silly tbh, it's not even that the SLR47 is bad.

[summer copper]

in real life yeah, you guys ask too much for a videogame

[astral warren]

Just .300blk too stronk.

[crude prism]

they technically do, but the ballistic system that it affects is fully implemented but 'turned off' lmao

[vestal mauve]

meanwhile in Squad, NOODLE ARMS

[astral warren]

????????????????????????????????????

[opaque birch]

we all got parkinsons and our guns' stocks are filled with 5l of water

[astral warren]

I am going to piss my pants in rage.

[opaque birch]

violently pissing and shitting rn

[astral warren]

Hey, guns used to be filled with water to keep them from overheating!

[crude prism]

the ballistic system for velocity/drop/moa etc is already in place, basically would just have to be toggled from my understanding

[vestal mauve]

shidding and farthing rn

[astral warren]

Don't knock old tech.

[summer copper]

at long range too, definitely.

[vestal mauve]

i imagine it's a big CPU hit for something that has like, one level that could take advantage of it

[astral warren]

Imagine going through all of that bullshit only to turn it off on release.

[summer copper]

they can turn it on when they feel it is ready. is that so bad? maybe its just not bug free yet

[crude prism]

it's been off for a long time, 100% has been turned off the entire time the game was on steam

[opaque birch]

why is there so much shit in this game that is in the code but is turned off

[vestal mauve]

because the game clearly changed directions a few times internally, as most games do

[astral warren]

the game isn't bug free yet, you still lose zoom ADS when you look at your gameboy.

Among other obnoxious things.

[crude prism]

there's a lot of stuff just leftover from earlier builds, if it doesn't actually affect anything, don't take the time to go remove all the old systems

[summer copper]

now youre saying the game isnt allowed to have a single bug

ive only had that once

[earnest phoenix]

i wish someone would make a mod to replace the tablet with a tac gameboy 😭😭

[astral warren]

Zoom ADS broken is pretty fuckin' serious imo if you run max FOV for better peripheral when clearing rooms.

[vestal mauve]

it could also be bugged or responsible for a lot of strain

[astral warren]

Not being able to see anything because your monitor can't work like a human's eyes sucks.

[vestal mauve]

...you guys use zoom ADS?

i always turn it off

[crude prism]

same

[vestal mauve]

hated that shit in COD too

[astral warren]

I would turn it off if monitors worked like human eyes.

I think the main reason I have it on is to try and see through some of the more blinding post processing effects used on maps.

[summer copper]

yeah so theyre probably fixing it/it already is fixed for the next patch

[astral warren]

You would think, and hope so.

We shall see.

[summer copper]

im not even meatriding the devs, people just think they sit around with they thumb up they asses all day

[vestal mauve]

people on average know absolute dick about game development

[summer copper]

okay im meatriding a little bit but i just like the game

[vestal mauve]

nothing wrong with trusting the process

[summer copper]

fr they expect like every bug fix is just one line of code

[vestal mauve]

right or my fav: "WHY DIDN'T TESTING CATCH THIS?"
from a guy who doesn't realize you can only test so much as a small studio

like, people don't realize a lot of optimization problems come from the devs not having those exact cards
because yes, you need to have those cards on hand to see problems that they cause

so the fanbase is actually the best way to get performance feedback

[summer copper]

its 50 people, making a game with an absolutely ridiculous scope.

then they try to compare it to some shit like tarkov

the game that had the single biggest cheater problem in fps history

[vestal mauve]

i always remember this one anecdote of a Perfect Dark sequel getting so off course it became a game about a guy fighting mechs
game development is really chaotic at times, and the fact RON even resembles its early trailers is incredible

[crude prism]

There are a bunch of 'fixes' that could be made to the ballistic system that are less than a line of code. Like changing one or two digits.

Some are bugs, some are recommendations, but there's a lot of easy stuff that has been outstanding for FOREEEEEEEEEVER

[summer copper]

theres a difference between "simple" and "easy"

[crude prism]

the stuff I'm talking about is both

egregious outstanding items

[summer copper]

you change one line of code, it affects others, you change them, it then affects others. it could go on for god knows how long

[vestal mauve]

well then @ the devs and tell them you can fix the game

go on

[crude prism]

Hey I've offered, at least they fixed Ceramic with 1.0

[vestal mauve]

lmao ceramic turned into a force field
hopefully that gets patched

[summer copper]

ceramic is my goat

i never run steel

[vestal mauve]

i only run steel on Relapse

fuck Relapse

[crude prism]

Literally these things would have gone unnoticed without me pestering hunter repeatedly in SEcord since like may of last year

Ceramic fixed with 1.0
SWAT AI helmets getting fixed
bleed system getting fixed
headshot multipliers getting fixed
paperdoll finally updated to show Ceramic armor being broken

And then more stuff gets broken

like suspect damage output getting broken with the Feb patch and now ceramic is blocking more than double the shots it's supposed to

[summer copper]

yeah because altering lines of code fucks with other lines of code

[crude prism]

they added a new penetration/damage reduction system to the AI without thoroughly testing it

[summer copper]

how many playtesters are there

[crude prism]

god only knows

but if I can figure out something is wrong with a small amount of poking with CE, they can see it with the fucking dev overlays

[vestal mauve]

we're the playtesters
years of playing Path of Exile has prepped me for this

[stone stump]

like 0

[crude prism]

currently 5,784

[stone bay]

Wassap

[summer copper]

so surely if we are the playtesters, then we are currently thoroughly testing it

[summer copper]

which means that it is being thoroughly tested

[crude prism]

i feel sorry for whoever at void is trying to comb through the disaster of feedback/bug reports

[tacit gull]

1.0 is being thoroughly tested months after release

[crude prism]

it sure is cool that they disabled the SE bug/feedback channels, which were generally much more helpful

[summer copper]

what is SE first of all, am i stupid

[stone stump]

at least plebs vs supporters civil war is over, right?

and everyone gets the early access

[crude prism]

"supporter edition"

[summer copper]

right

[summer copper]

"why isnt my game perfect on release like every other game thats perfect on release". i dont wanna do this again lol

[stone stump]

you seem to forget that the game isn't even half done

[crude prism]

there is a difference between "wildly buggy, incomplete, and unbalanced" and "hey there's some bugs we couldn't scrub before launch"

[tacit gull]

"I don't wanna do this again" while it's a persistent issue

[summer copper]

i mean i dont wanna do this argument bullshit again

its a small game studio making a ginormous game

[stone stump]

you're not wrong, i wouldn't want to argue with arguments i made up either

[summer copper]

what? me and desmond have argued before. im saying i dont wanna do it again

[stone stump]

i really want to see at least one person that ever said that they expected a perfect game on release here

[summer copper]

lol im not arguing with you dude

i cant be arsed

you keep your opinions and ill keep mine

neither of us are gonna change the others mind

[stone stump]

not sure what opinions you're talking about, but you do you

[native rune]

The loadouts not working on release could’ve been discovered by play testing for about ten minutes

[stone stump]

they were working, you just had to make a loadout for every team member individually (and only then save it)

which clearly wasn't the most intuitive way to have loadouts in the game

[tribal slate]

weird little bug

but none of my score is showing up mid mission?

i have it all enabled

[past warren]

I got domed by a simple guard in point blank range while I had heavy armor with nutrition and armor trait on 🗿

It was in 2 seconds too 🗿

I also had the upper hand too since I caught him

[jolly verge]

Nutritionist not affect player btw, only ai swat

[summer copper]

probably just got hit with the most diablolical double headshot

[past warren]

Nope it effects both player and AI

[past warren]

So unpredictable too

[jolly verge]

in theory yes, in fact - no

i can screen prove in dm if you want

[crude prism]

certified 1.0 moment

[past warren]

You need to stack it in order for it to be viable

[crude prism]

it literally does not work

[jolly verge]

it's does stack for ai swat, but not affect player anyway

[crude prism]

the help text implies that it should be buffing the player as well, but it is either broken, or the help text is wrong

[civic zinc]

decided to give the hermit achievement a go, and realised that the glass light distortion effects in the diner part of gas literally halves my framerate

[jolly verge]

you should lower VFX quality from epic to high

[civic zinc]

i already play on low settings, the game is just unoptimized lmao

[tribal slate]

dude i use a gtx 1660 with all my settings maxed out

you just have a fucking potato

[summer copper]

my 4060 struggles with 1440p sometimes

[somber plover]

ayy same

[tribal slate]

Potato bros

[stone bay]

4070 struggling with 1440p lowest settings sub 60 fps avg a few times

[summer copper]

🤒

[frozen beacon]

is there any maps or events that causes it?

[stone stump]

full system spec?

[stone bay]

usually the methlab but i see it happen on other modded maps

[stone bay]

i dont have the pcpartpicker list but i remember from the top of my head on sec

[frozen beacon]

cpu and RAM? DLSS on or not?

[jolly verge]

playing on dx12?

[stone bay]

Ryzen 5 5600
Some random asus prime b550
32 gb 3200mhz cl16 ddr4
DLSS ofc set to ultra quality i want the game to look semi decent
Rtx 4070 as mentioned
Playin on dx12 yup
Other pc components wont affect performance much rlly
But fyi my components dont thermal throttle ever

mods 😭

[somber plover]

did u set your ram speed correctly? not sure if thats gonna help tho

[stone bay]

its called xmp profile btw lil bro
And yes, i have it enabled

[tribal slate]

hey man youre the one whos game is running like shit lol

[stone bay]

i am pc nerd

[frozen beacon]

@stone bay but you use XMP profile and not manually OCed RAM

[stone bay]

manually ocing ram is wild 😭

[stone stump]

clearly not a hardware issue then, sounds like driver/windows/whatever one

[stone bay]

all drivers up to date i even did a fresh reinstall of nvidia gpu software
b550 chipset drivers

[frozen beacon]

try lower post processing quality, makes game blurry af anyway @stone bay

to save a frame or two

[stone stump]

lower than low?

[frozen beacon]

but if theres someone whos really good at tweaking the game settings, its @jolly verge

[jolly verge]

If you have msi afterburner enable cpu and gpu usage monitoring, or via nvidia overlay

[stone bay]

whatever tbh i completed the whole game, modded maps are mid and it bores me now honestly
Im just waiting for bodycam to release atp

[stone bay]

i have that

all numbers look fine

[jolly verge]

you sure they fine?

[stone bay]

Mhm all temps usage nd allat

[jolly verge]

if they were fine fps would be higher then 60 on all low

you dont use any mods either?

[stone bay]

convo reminds me of when my pc heated my room while playin cyberpunk
Good ole days

[frozen beacon]

add r.EmitterSpawnRateScale=0.4 to Engine.ini to make the laser stop flashing at lower VFX and then lower VFX setting @stone bay

[stone bay]

i didnt use to, i use custom map mods now but theres hardly a difference

[stone bay]

does that help perf?

[frozen beacon]

@stone bay not the line itself, but if you use and lower VFX slider settings in game, yes

[stone bay]

modded maps suck ass anyways no shade to em but doesnt come close to voids content

[stone stump]

sketchy engine tweaks, here we go

[jolly verge]

so you play on vanilla now, right?

did you remove them properly? via crashreport

[stone bay]

soundin like those cs2 yt shorts where they tell u console commands

[stone bay]

its so easy just remove the pak file

[jolly verge]

no

not like that

[stone bay]

thats what the guide said tho ionknow 🤷

[stone stump]

cs2 console commands are at least intended to be used by the players

[stone bay]

downloaded from nexusmods btw

[stone bay]

i accidentally open them from time to time and its just :0
(Presses esc)
Back to fragging out

[jolly verge]

just to make sure go to SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Ready Or Not\Engine\Binaries\Win64 start CrashReporter.exe and press Delete Mode Data

[frozen beacon]

doesnt that remove the mods as well?

[jolly verge]

just deleting pak files won't remove mods completely

[acoustic ridge]

whats the difference between low and high ready, is it just visual?

[stone stump]

at least it doesn't delete all of your save data anymore

[jolly verge]

yeap, visual

[stone stump]

visual, and high ready is the worse one

[jolly verge]

not really, you also need manualy remove pak files before do that

[stone bay]

ohh wth

thanks user friendly experience!

[stone stump]

the official modding platform is even worse :P

[stone bay]

ready or not has built in support for mods

🤡

thats £33 im not getting back

[frozen beacon]

mod.io just doesnt work very well for me

or many others

[stone stump]

the proper term would be support for nuking your game using mod.io

[prime wing]

the cost of "safe proofing" a console release

[stone bay]

whats that got to do wit this
Ready or not was never a good fit for console

[prime wing]

thats probably why they did it, thats my point. it still sucks

[stone stump]

wasn't a good fit for a full release either and guess what

[stone stump]

the other reason is alternative marketplaces (like epic games store)

[stone bay]

LMAO SO TRUE

but unfortunately, one must released unfinished games in order to obtain that fat paycheck

[stone stump]

didn't end so well given the recent sale

[stone bay]

go figure!
Greed

just like bf2042 ruined by grEAd

[stone stump]

shareholders

[stone bay]

bro rlly said 🤑 💸

[prime wing]

epic players and steam's merge

https://tenor.com/view/rain-sad-man-man-in-rain-gif-23062134

I wonder how it will break lobbies

[shy tulip]

Me watching every game that allows Epic players to join get review bombed

To be fair it does basically require you to install Epic servers even if you don't want to play online

[frozen beacon]

https://imgsli.com/MjQ2NTc4 I dont really understand why ppl dont play with lowest VFX and Post Processing, sure the reflections look a little better, but otherwise its just so blurry

[stone stump]

no ambient occlusion eww

[frozen beacon]

what exactly do you think looks worse?

[past warren]

So when is the planned release date for dlc

[stone stump]

not sure about worse, just different. some parts like distant lights look straight up broken on epic, they don't have any light at all smh

[balmy kelp]

IM TRYING TO S RANK HOSPITAL BUT SOMEHOW THE ENEMY AI KEEPS MYSTERIOUSLY DYING AND I DONT KNOW WHY IT KEEPS HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE TIME

IM GOING INSANE, MULTIPLE TIMES I WAS ON THE LAST PART OF THE MISSION THEN SOMEBODY WOULD GET SHOT BY ANOTHER ENEMY AI OR JUST SOMEHOW COLLAPSE AND THEN I WOULD HAVBE TO START OVER IVE BEEN TRYING FOR HOURS PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING

[vale tangle]

get better

[balmy kelp]

[vale tangle]

i never had that issue on hospital

are the enemies shooting each other?

[balmy kelp]

sometimes

i think others its my ai shooting them in the head with the pepperball cannon but they hardly ever do that and had hardly ever done that before while s ranking other missions

i think most of the times the ai is shooting each other

ive been trying hospital since last night and been trying today for hours

[stone stump]

pepperball can't kill anyone

[balmy kelp]

if you shoot them in the head with the big one they die

[past warren]

It can kill them if you shoot them in the head

Oh wrong gun, only with the beanbag gun

[stone stump]

no, they don't

[balmy kelp]

hold on one sec

if thats the case then the dumb ai is just shooting each other

[past warren]

I remember back before 1.0 where gas can kill enemies

[balmy kelp]

im using heavy gas but none of the enemies that have died were under gas

[stone stump]

the walls are pretty thin on that map as well

[sudden marsh]

its the games optimization, these people can boast about "dx12" "config this" but its literally optimization

[stone stump]

if the game optimization sucks, why do i have no problems at all?

[sudden marsh]

i mean its a commonly reported issue. its either you can't notice it well or the game just sucks for higher end cards

[balmy kelp]

https://medal.tv/games/ready-or-not/clips/20sUVDYWQxLfla/d1337ZKza4Sf?invite=cr-MSw3eDMsMjgwODc0MDAs right before the clip aswell i shot an enemy in the head and he died

embed fail

https://medal.tv/games/ready-or-not/clips/20sUVDYWQxLfla/d1337ZKza4Sf?invite=cr-MSw3eDMsMjgwODc0MDAs

😭

[stone stump]

embeds are disabled here

[balmy kelp]

ok

but they did die(but thats not the point)

[stone bay]

Realest nickname ever

[umbral oar]

you mean the beanbag shotty?

[balmy kelp]

see link sent

[sudden marsh]

fr these people might aswell get a cheap old gtx 950 card, if these guys can't notice the BLATANT shader comp stutter

why bother with a gaming pc at that

just play on a cheap mini pc or a raspberry pi

lets reach for the stars, a steam deck easily

[stone stump]

just checked that, doesn't happen for me

[worldly quarry]

does it matter if my officer's go into therapy during the ironman run without losing officers

[balmy kelp]

same just checked(its a mod😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 i feel very dumb that the mod has been my downfall)

yall were right but ima try it now without thye mod

🤦‍♂️

thats so strange because it almost never happened before with the mod

[rugged vault]

Add sprint pls

[balmy kelp]

click space to go a lil faster

[slender adder]

add sliding and wall jumps please

[balmy kelp]

💀

[slender adder]

I need to super glide that crackhead

[past warren]

Add building too

[slender adder]

ron kart is real btw

[balmy kelp]

aaaaaaand one of the enemy ai just shot themselves i think

well damnit

[past warren]

The suspects are very suicidal due to many swat officers gunning them down

[summer copper]

add editing the buildings so we can crank 90s

[past warren]

Give them a break

[summer copper]

life in prison or death rn

[worldly quarry]

how do i get the silly gold watch...

[summer copper]

some people make the crazy choice

[worldly quarry]

i did lidewally all the stuff required and that shit was still locked

rn i'm redoing my run on a clean build

[warm gale]

so are the AI fixes actually in game or not

[slender adder]

no they just stole the no crack for AI mod

source: me

[warm gale]

so is the AI better or not ...

[slender adder]

idk dude, what do you define as "better"

it is more friendly for sure

like they can stuff their barrel into your mouth and you will survive

[summer copper]

they don't dome you in .1 seconds

[warm gale]

so its still shit but not crackhead shit

[past warren]

My source is better

[slender adder]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

this is the game #👮ron-discussion asked for btw

[past warren]

They need to crack out the ai

Only the top of the food chain will enjoy the game

[slender adder]

yes...

only the strong shall survive and thrive

[past warren]

Only the 200 hour players shall thrive

[summer copper]

i'm down for that

all the 30 hour plebs bitching about the game

[rough vault]

sir i have 40 hours and i kick ass fuck you talkin bout

[summer copper]

make it so that you require 100 hours of experience to even make it to 23MB/s

[summer copper]

that's what we're sayin

games too easy now, bring back crack AI

[cobalt basin]

bro pls dont let ready or not be a super-hacked game

ive already got 3 lobbies with people bugging out characters to ruin the lobby

[past warren]

Make it so you have to go through actual swat training in order to complete the game

[summer copper]

to start the game*

[past warren]

I eat methheads for breakfast

I eat the left behind for lunch

[raven fox]

hella fun gamr

game

[past warren]

And I eat the traffickers as dinner

And I eat the predators as dessert

[worldly quarry]

you should RidgelineGerard [BARK]NonCompliant_6 yourself, now!

[rugged vault]

I am aware of this feature

[summer copper]

couldn't fathom a SWAT officer running around a building that has an active shooting in it but that's just me

[balmy kelp]

could one instance of friendly fire stop an s rank?

[worldly quarry]

yes

[balmy kelp]

ok thank you

[rugged vault]

Lmao

I couldn't fathom them shuffling at 0.01mph waiting for everyone to die

[summer copper]

that's cops in real life, mate, not the videogame

[rugged vault]

?

[summer copper]

nevermind

[proven blade]

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME DUDE

IM LIKE HALFWAY THROUGH CARRIERS OF THE VINE, I PEEK A DOOR, THERE ISNT A CLICK, A VISIBLE BLACK LINE, OR A NOTIFICATION

AND THEN I OPEN IT AND FUCKING DIE

WHAT IS THIS

[sonic heart]

Does your mission time count towards your rank?

[frail quartz]

Nope

[sudden marsh]

well VOID has prioritized development of Paid DLC over actually fixing the game, so i hope that doesn't add fuel to the fire

[past warren]

Maybe the bugs was the friends we made along the way

[humble mauve]

there will be updates and improvements to the base game(for free) alongside the DLC

[past warren]

Nah put bug patches behind a paywall

[earnest shell]

Anyone think a prison map could fit well with the setting? Maybe there was a huge coordinated riot orchestrated by a cartel to break a prisoner out. Could be an interesting scenario as some inmates might have guns now, but most count as civilians. (Kinda like how in Hide and Seek some construction workers are actually crooks)

[balmy kelp]

i got the S only after about 3 or 4 times after i deleted the mod💪

that is one of the only missions i havent been able to breeze through while trying to get an S

thank yall who made me realise that i had made a dumb mistake i wouldnt never figured it out😭

im no longer going insane

[tribal slate]

none of my score is showing up mid mission?

I have it enabled

[copper horizon]

THIS GAME LAGGY AS HELL TODAY

[shy tulip]

The game doesn't use official servers, there hasn't been an update

[mighty elbow]

wait they don't?

[shy tulip]

It uses peer 2 peer protected by Steam

That is how you are able to mod the game and have other players enjoy it

[copper cypress]

AP bullets can easily ricochet, right?

[shy tulip]

It depends on the angle

[copper cypress]

Oh~

[jolly verge]

depends on the caliber you use, some ammo won't ricochet, even ap

[jovial swan]

Sometimes the bugs are part of the fun

[copper cypress]

What if it's a pistol bullet? Like 9mm or .45

[jolly verge]

.45 jhp/ap have 0% ricochet and 9mm ap 10%

[copper cypress]

What about 5.56 and .300?

[jolly verge]

there is ricochet stats in spreadsheet for every caliber in game

you can check it

"Amor, Vests, Helmets" tab

[copper cypress]

Okay

[copper cypress]

i can't find it😅

[jolly verge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=695296307 right side

[twin citrus]

do flashbangs affect AI SWAT officers?
like, would giving them anti-flash goggles help at all compared to something like helmet only or ballistic mask

[copper cypress]

Thanks!

[upbeat heath]

Was the ironman mode like hardcore
U die u start all over again

[earnest phoenix]

yes

your save file gets deleted if you

[upbeat heath]

Ok so i need to be careful
I almost died at the second map

What was it, streamer?

[shy tulip]

Yep

[twilit robin]

good tactics for greased plams? trying to do a non AI mod run

[copper cypress]

How to solve the lag problem? Sometimes the screen freezes when I move my mouse.

[summer copper]

pray

[compact sequoia]

use shield and be the pointman while your teammates do the shooting, use double file, diamond or wedge for your fall in formation so their line of fire isn't blocked by you

[worldly quarry]

how do i even do an S rank for valley of the doll's

[still sparrow]

Hey I don’t actually have this game but was wanting too play it but a few reviews on steam say it’s no good at the moment and not worth it, this true or are they jus rage reviewing?

[winter shadow]

They suck in this game, dont worry about it

[winter shadow]

Handcuff EVERYONE

[winter shadow]

Just check the hours how long they played

[still sparrow]

Hehe thought so we all done it😂 I know people irl that enjoy the game so just wanted too check cuz you know it isn’t massively cheap

Thanks

[winter shadow]

Np, enjoy

[worldly quarry]

dawg... i either get dropped or my teammates get dropped trying to follow me

hold up i just got the best idea ever

[winter shadow]

Is swat bots or player?

[worldly quarry]

swat bots

[winter shadow]

Take their ammo from pistol out

[worldly quarry]

i'm saying

my teammates tend to die

a LOT, since they love to stand in the range of fire apparently

[winter shadow]

Ahhhh, its fineeeeee

Its average, as long as you report their bodies, you still fine

[worldly quarry]

nah nah

this is on my ironman mode

so i can't really afford to lose people

[winter shadow]

Oh...that terrible suck...

[worldly quarry]

can't wait to do this on sins of the father

[upbeat heath]

man i hate it when i try to arrest a suspect from far away and they surrender
but the second they surrender it looks like they aimed at me

i got unauthorized use of deadly force bc i though he was about to shoot ;-;

[worldly quarry]

you just gotta wait for them to actually get down or not

sometimes the animation can bug and it shows them aiming for a split second

even though they are dropping it (for some reason)

i hate how smart the suspect ai is compared to swat ai

[lone comet]

That’s when you kick them

[upbeat heath]

swat ai: hmm yes this wall is made out of wall
suspects: according to my calculations of their entry point and the time they took to get on that room, i should be able to sneak behind them and ambush them

[lone comet]

My swat AI hmmm yes this trash can should be knocked over to piss me off

[upbeat heath]

i also still have a clip of the swat ai on the release day of 1.0 when a suspect surrendered and the ai just casually walked up to him and blasted the mans face off with a shotgun
good job swan...

[worldly quarry]

there's video proof that the suspects tracks your team through the walls until they get close enough to engage you

[lone comet]

Job security

[upbeat heath]

also i hate it when im in a shootout and get the suspects but them like 10 secs later ''mission objective failed, rescue all of the civilians''
then i go to replay mode and see that one of the bullets pierced 3 walls and made the civ bleed

my luck fr

[earnest phoenix]

send it i wanna see it

[upbeat heath]

dm? or game clips

[earnest phoenix]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media

[upbeat heath]

ok

hold on i gotta check if the clip hasnt corrupted

[worldly quarry]

use jhp then

or a smaller caliber

[lone comet]

Don’t matter what bullet you use

Still has a chance to penetrate the walls

[worldly quarry]

it does, especially if you want to counter over-penetration

depends what map he is on though

[copper cypress]

Will killing too many suspects give the hostages a chance of being executed?

When I was playing the third level, I inexplicably received a message that the mission objective had failed due to the death of the hostage, but no firefight occurred ==

[earnest phoenix]

no, if youre playing commander mode killing everyone only affects your officers mental health

which objective exactly did you fail

[copper cypress]

Oh~ Ok @@

[upbeat heath]

what the fuck

i did not know that swat ai can also bleed

[shadow ether]

I wonder if it's possible to put swat AI on the veteran suspects to make them act as a team
If there's any team interactions the game has, it's kinda shit at showing it to the player

[upbeat heath]

there are at least random yapping amongst the swat ai if they stay still for too long

[shadow ether]

Just the other day in my yet another attempt to S rank the voll mansion my teammate got shot through the window and then I got shot like a second later, so I got in full tilt and just watched the team "get fucked", or so I thought
I thought they'll last 15 seconds, but they managed to take 7 minutes of my time and cleared most of the level by themselves

[earnest phoenix]

it was pretty cool in swat 4 and here (like with most systems in ron ) was very poorly executed

[shadow ether]

So if swat AI can act on their own as an element

Why the suspects wouldn't?

There's just so many things you would expect to be at play, but none of them work

And it's mostly fixable by changing the settings somewhere in the blueprints

[upbeat heath]

is there any way to reset my progress data?

i have clothing that i want to get by playing the game and not have it automatically after i beat practise

[stone stump]

there is that thing called complexity

historically void hasn't been handling it well, or at all

[shadow ether]

What about it?

[stone stump]

don't increase complexity if the basics aren't even working properly

and it's a good thing they didn't, less spaghetti to untangle

[shadow ether]

A lot of these things just seem like bugs

Like that dude in a gas mask on mad house in the woods, whatever its name is

You would expect he'd be immune to gas
He isn't

[stone stump]

true, there are more bugs in the game than features, but what does it have to do with suspects not being as organized as the swat?

[sudden marsh]

Its badly optimized, unless you wanna stutter alot then save your money

Also 50$? Its like void wants to create a cash cow

[karmic halo]

Interesting, but I'd imagine that maybe its an ironic joke on how amateur he is

And that its either a poorly built DIY one or not the right kind

Or like you said just bad dev 🤦🏻‍♂️

[stone stump]

it may be badly optimized with your specific machine configuration, but doesn't have to*

[shadow ether]

It seems to me like a lot of complexity could be put into play by a few tweaks of the settings, like either they forgot to give suspects their interesting features or decided to make them all bland on purpose

[stone stump]

they don't really seem bland at all, they are happily gonna perform a unalive by cop every chance they get because of having no self preservation at all, gonna rush you instead of just angle abusing or literally just taking advantage of the fact that they're the ones defending

[shadow ether]

That's what I'm saying, every single one of them is happily going to commit a self unmake by cops in the exact same ways no matter if it's a desperate school kid caught making a gun, a junkie robbing a store, a private security element, a war veteran or a man of extreme violence, the only difference is the gun they are holding

[stone stump]

some variation could help a lot. if someone likes having to shoot pretty much every suspect they could have a dedicated maps for that (like brisa cove, hotel, hospital and night club)

[shadow ether]

Not even their outfit matters, I haven't noticed gas masks, respirators and flash glasses working on any suspects, and I'll need to check if their armor even works because with my AP MP7 there's really no difference, they all drop in 2-3 shots

[stone stump]

it does

but at this point you can't really tell if it's working on purpose or by accident

[shadow ether]

Yeah I may have not noticed that because I'm using the most AP gun for every possible scenario

Also, is there any reason why JHP rounds don't ever stun any targets?

Maybe like once in 20 shots to the leg it could act like a beanbag because taking the entire hit of a bullet is kinda painful

[shadow ether]

By the way brisa cove sounds like a very good gimmick map to have a 5v5 match up against an enemy team that is a team which uses teamwork
if it worked

[upbeat heath]

jesus the taser ranger is long

[drowsy gulch]

Sup, guys. Wanna buy RoN and I want to know, how much levels is there? Can this game take more than 20 hours? Thanks!

[turbid grove]

it depends

If youre Tactical them maybe 15 to 20 Hours but i realy dont know

[upbeat heath]

you either can go to multiplayer friends only with no team ai and unleash ragnarök or play it casual on commander mode

[drowsy gulch]

solo player(

[turbid grove]

So you wanna play Solo?

[drowsy gulch]

yeah

[turbid grove]

then thats Problematic

i consider playing some free Games

So you can Train

before Buying it

[upbeat heath]

oh and also you can play ''firends only'' alone
it still disabled team ai

[turbid grove]

if you wana play Without AI you can play Commander mode

but i consider Not to

as its pretty Stressfull

[stone stump]

they used to be pretty good at that, so i guess it's yet another bug

[stone stump]

what?

[shy pike]

You can play without AI anywhere if you just tell them to hold their position at the start of the mission

[vocal night]

in some maps ai does come at your spawn point

[past warren]

No

[wheat pelican]

If you want the truth, a lot of the settings in the archetype files are so low that you never really see any considerations

[turbid grove]

dint think bout that

[wheat pelican]

can also play without AI if you host a friends only lobby and then start match

[wheat pelican]

For instance though. I took a SS but cant post SS's here on this section. but for reference AI vanilla style is like this

Suspect_Port_Roster_02 is the 2nd out of 8 roster pools that can be used for the port map

Vanilla settings are as follows - Chance to fire gun on death 0.1 | SurrenderWithItem - False | SurrenderWithItemChance - 0.1 (1%)

CanEverKillSelf - False

KillSelfChance - 1 (10%) But is set to false so disabled.

So most settings functions universally under the AILevelData config that most people mod. But the core settings for each AI pool per map in the DataTable asset file most settings are off or set so low you will never experience it

So generally you are just getting base ground AILevelData config preset universal settings for all peds that's why they seem all the same give or take.

As for the gas, the settings in the AI's considerations say for instance (AP_FleeFromGas.uasset) Action Preset usually is set to some ridiculously low numbers I've noticed where the multiplication additions and subractions which will bring the ultimatum of what decision they decide to actually choose upon typically never goes with the more 'realistic' actions

I've seen more of the 'Charge' 'SeekEnemyWhenGassed' etc kind of settings with higher RNG/Addition,Multipliers/etc which ultimately will mean suspects will just be more aggro and terrorist like than the counters

[tacit gull]

mental

[wheat pelican]

can be yeah I've tweaked the offing chance etcd to like 60/70/80 and still barely see it sometimes

Then again it also all varies on what the hell you and your team are doing. The AI are always going to act crazy if everyone is shoot shoot running around every corner etc. I've only really seen them act 'human' if I play REALLY slow. Like sitting, listen, walking, no flashlights other than like for a glimpse etc.

But then again that's only with the tweaks I've done. I still have yet to see that normally in vanilla if I even play that way

[civic zinc]

what are the requirements for the hanged man achievement because i did it with ai that had 11 flashbangs each and never had them use long tactical

am i not allowed to use the goddamn lockpick?

[tacit gull]

RIP message got deleted, what i wanted to say is that a lot of AI systems have that issue where they're just unresponsive if you go too fast for them

Problem is in vanilla they're fucked up at all times

[vocal night]

i know they do in greased palms

maybe not in any other map

[sudden marsh]

Im on a 4090 thats just not the case

Its been years and yet void markets this game as a full release despite the many issues

the fans tell you many times to write some random config and blame anything else

VOID are getting close to shady used car salesman, if anyone has watched matilda

Harry puts sawdust in the engines which makes them "run smoothly", also repaints the cars, and rewinds the odometers

[night pasture]

Yappin

[sudden marsh]

yapping just means you can't handle actual conversation, 2024 personality lol

[wheat pelican]

exactly, and that's because everything in vanilla is increased to be taliban mode. Unfortunately there is not a single thing they can do I do not think about getting the AI to not act robotic if the player is going too fast

just because of how it's brain works and what's used to account for what actions

[daring flame]

you trying to say they scammed us?

[sudden marsh]

scamming is subjective. some people feel that way some people don't.
but at the end of the day they claim its a full release product when its riddled with issues

for 50$ i wouldve expected better

[tacit gull]

If not an outright scam it is pretty shitty from a moral standpoint and i have definetly lost a lot of respect for them because of 1.0

[sudden marsh]

imo in a way it feels like a glorified beta test.

i had alot of Crash to desktops on top of that

[tacit gull]

Closest thing i can think of is even more responses and animations, but that's a lot of extra work that i'm worried is not gonna be put in

Could be wrong though, it's really hard to tell what is and isn't supposed to be in the game files

[tacit gull]

Beta tests are usually feature complete, 1.0 absolutely is not i feel

[daring flame]

i just think its funny how there were supporter versions and 1.0 still fell short

wonder what the support was for

[tacit gull]

There weren't, VOID didnt give builds to anyone for about a year before 1.0

Including supporters

[sudden marsh]

and theres always people peddling worthless tips and tricks and configs. instead of suggesting the devs to optimize the game.
i wonder if VOID hires an undercover PR Team

[daring flame]

there also wasnt an update for a year before 1.0

[tacit gull]

You might aswell be helpful, nothing wrong with that, you can get people to enjoy the game slightly more while still criticising it

[sudden marsh]

Sure, it's okay to be helpful, but it's also okay to expect a game to function properly without needing users to resort to half baked workarounds.
its better to hold devs accountable and they prioritize that because they see a higher demand for optimization

[umbral oar]

did they not use any of the mocap they showcased

i only recognize stunt fall from the 1.0 trailer

[wheat pelican]

It's better to hold devs accountable in a less toxic way than to jump with some conspiracy theory wether true or not. Could have just said what you said here instead of that lol.

People will hop on that trend quick af

Furthering more negativity :/

[sudden marsh]

If calling out issues is considered "toxic" or jumping on a conspiracy theory bandwagon, then so be it.
if you think holding them accountable in a less aggressive manner will magically make them change their ways, it won't have a big effect.

sorry in advance if I don't sugarcoat my frustration and call it like it is

Imagine spending 50 hard-earned bucks on a game you've been hyped for, only to find out it suffers with bugs and poor optimization
and its a full release. You'd be pretty damn angry too and im glad steam has a beautiful refund policy.

[celest token]

i'm at 15 hours and only played solo, i'm halfway through the game

[celest token]

says the guy talking to an AI

[sudden marsh]

what? lol either way Atleast I'm engaging this discussion with a purpose
your insults and ignorance just makes you part of the problem.

[slender adder]

what bugs are you even talking about, haven't encountered any game breaking ones

or is it the usual "these gloves don't have icons in the customization menu the game is unplayable"

[sudden marsh]

def not that lol

[slender adder]

then say something worthwhile instead of yapping

[sudden marsh]

i did say something tho

maybe be constructive yourself "yapping" lol

[summer copper]

you don't shut the fuck up about it tho. if you refunded the game then why are you in the discord shitting on it

[sudden marsh]

Just because I got a refund doesn't mean I can't voice my concerns to others who might still be considering purchasing it.

and its called criticism, if anyone followed your logic the devs wouldnt patch the game

[slender adder]

get asked to back yourself up
don't back yourself up

[summer copper]

you don't even own the game so why would anybody listen to your bullshit

[slender adder]

some critic

[sudden marsh]

i do tho

[summer copper]

you just said you refunded it

[sudden marsh]

just because i refunded the game doesn't mean i cant voice my opinion, your logic is heavily flawed

you realize the discord is here for multiple reasons right?>

[summer copper]

no it's more like

why are you wasting your time instead of just moving on

[sudden marsh]

critcising and talking about issues isn't wasting time lol its bringing light to issues.

[summer copper]

don't you have better things to do than telling people in a videogame discord server to not buy the game that you don't currently own

[sudden marsh]

nice greentext format either way
i had CTD'S, optimization issues, i got stuck and caught in some areas and had to restart

[slender adder]

bro... huge deal...

[sudden marsh]

your logic is flawed once again lol Last time I checked, I don't need your approval or permission to voice my opinion
Warning others about a potentially disappointing game is a worthwhile use of my time

[summer copper]

i don't give a fuck about your opinion. nobody does

[night pasture]

Bro in here for hours out of his day to complain about a game he already got his money back on

[sudden marsh]

you do if you have to swear to get your point across

[summer copper]

i'm not saying that you have to give a fuck about mine

[celest token]

you can simply write a steam review

[muted star]

Ain't gonna lie, leaving a steam review would be better use of time then this

[sudden marsh]

crashes and stutters are a hug deal especially in combat

[summer copper]

leave a steam review. complain in the feedback forum.

[night pasture]

This is the saddest shit just move on lmao

[slender adder]

you are not getting jumped for "voicing opinion", you are getting jumped for being a genuine annoying human being and is being told to fuck off

[summer copper]

if someone wants to play the game, they're gonna play the game no matter how much you shit on it at them

[sudden marsh]

what makes youd think id listen to them? lol

cool they can do them, but like i said im discussing my experiences.

[slender adder]

of course, not like it is actually about the state of the game isn't it

it is about annoying people the hell out for the hell of it

[summer copper]

your experience is not everybodies experience

[sudden marsh]

its most peoples experience tho

[summer copper]

not really

[sudden marsh]

if you were caught in the loop then yeah you would see it

[stone stump]

it's definitely a common issue, but not sure about the "most"

[sudden marsh]

most doesnt mean everyone, its just a half percent

[summer copper]

50% is not most

[sudden marsh]

it does tho

[celest token]

how are you having stutters in combat with a 4070 tho, i have an 8 year old setup and never had that kinf of issue

[summer copper]

😂😂😂

[sudden marsh]

its not combat sttuters mainly, its other form of stutters

[stone stump]

system configuration issue, simple as that

[sudden marsh]

idk, i can run other demanding games flawlessly

if you seen aw2 or plague tale requiem

[celest token]

that's not what you said

[stone stump]

well, game performance isn't comparable

just because game x runs well doesn't mean game y will

[summer copper]

anyway, the point is, you weren't happy with the game, you refunded it, you got your money back. why are you now spending hours in the discord complaining at random people

[sudden marsh]

that just means the game isnt optimized properly then

if a taxing game can run fine, how come the game below it cant

[summer copper]

for me, ready or not runs smoother than halo infinite. does that mean halo infinite has shitty optimisation?

[sudden marsh]

honestly yes

you upgrade for a reason to get better performance

[stone stump]

the fuck taxing game means. it's just not comparable, period.

[summer copper]

you have no idea what you're talking about. making generalisations

[sudden marsh]

i can compare it to any game on UE Engine like trepang 2 and it has similar graphics yet runs smooth

[stone stump]

if anything, ron is the one being a "taxing" game

[stone stump]

performance doesn't solely depend on the graphics fyi

[sudden marsh]

it depends on optimization also, which RoN has issues with

[stone stump]

as i see it, you're exaggerating the performance issues based on your anecdotal evidence. just because you had issues doesn't mean "most" will

[sudden marsh]

stutter isnt an exaggeration, neither is dipping frames in one room and having higher in the other.
and i have video proof recorded of it lol

[stone stump]

doesn't cost that much to not exaggerate shit and just say that the game has some issues, you may run into issues, but doesn't mean you will

[stone stump]

and i have video proof the game performance is pretty solid

[night pasture]

Me getting 90 fps on every level... beside beach house for whatever godforsaken reason

[sudden marsh]

fps doesnt determine stutter lol...

[muted star]

lol

[night pasture]

i don't get stutters

[summer copper]

he's not taking about stutter

[rotund birch]

[summer copper]

he's talking about the frame dips

[sudden marsh]

i was tho, he brought up fps like that was my main point when i was talking about optimization
90% of the time

[muted star]

for me the performance is ok, could be better tho

[stone stump]

shader compilation stutter is a thing, but it takes minute at best to do its thing and leave you alone until the next driver update

[summer copper]

"stutter isn't an exaggeration, neither is frame dips".

can you at least remember what you're saying

[sudden marsh]

can u you atleast grasp points

[summer copper]

not if you can't even grasp your own points

your point is "game runs like shit on my device"

[muted star]

ye, the game stutters for you

[stone stump]

your point being "my 4090 can't run the game well, game bad" doesn't really cut it, you know?

[summer copper]

i don't understand what you're not getting

[sudden marsh]

reducing it to simplistic caricature doesn't say much. My point isn't just that soley lol

[muted star]

k

[summer copper]

pretty much is

[sudden marsh]

to you i guess it is

[slender adder]

a waste of everybody's time as expected, saw it from miles away

[summer copper]

to everyone except you, apparently

[native rune]

Game runs better than it ever has before on my end

[sudden marsh]

congratulations on your clairvoyance then, if snark and dismissal was all that they wanted to say
waste of time sure.

[stone stump]

the game has a lot of issues, but performance ones aren't even top 10

[native rune]

^

[slender adder]

you got debunked and decided to say ummm actually nah

wild really

you should probably log off

[muted star]

Man you don't have the game anymore and you rather chill in here then playing something different

[sudden marsh]

you mean people resorting to petty dismissals, then sure, I stand "debunked"

[night pasture]

lmao

[sudden marsh]

If I feel like chilling here instead of playing something else, that's my choice, i don't understand the fixation on how i spent my time.
they can talk about it sure, but they would just be hitting a brickwall with it 🤷‍♂️

[muted star]

You can do whaterver, just saying

You can express your opinion and I can do the same

[summer copper]

we only have your best interests at heart

you don't own the game. you made your point. once, twice, however many times

you don't have to keep making it over and over again to everybody who asks about the game