👮ron-discussion

[drowsy star]

cause u paid for it🥲
money cost is money gone

[sick sluice]

honestly it was barely any money

god bless regional pricing and a volatile economy i only paid like 2.3 dollars for it

[drowsy star]

Totally worth it

[sick sluice]

not even sure

could have bought kenshi instead

[sharp fox]

i swear these civs

always complaining about being handcuffed
sure i’d complain too but like

you arent in trouble

😭

[brittle sable]

ok but if i get cuffed by police after surviving an active shooter through hiding then get killed by that shooter cause i got tied up in the open id be pissed

[sharp fox]

well if i got killed then i’d get mad too

[vestal mauve]

if i die, im filing a complaint

[weak mist]

Was there a way to make your ai teamates find the last or was that just speculation?

[vestal mauve]

could D-Platoon survive Carcer City for a year?

[lofty raft]

It’s always end the threat first then the other procedures

[smoky cedar]

If i die i simply don’t give a shit. Not like i can do anything about it

It’s not like I’m already dead :/

[sacred dagger]

yo 55GB update

whats this for

[hardy plinth]

It's just a small download of around 5 gigs but it has to update a lot of files

[sharp fox]

real

[dreamy lodge]

Which is cooler? MP5A2 or MP5A3

[sharp fox]

is there any real difference other than the stock

[dreamy lodge]

I guess the MP5A3 could have more attachments

[sharp fox]

well i could use more funny attachments

[static wigeon]

MP5A2 is cooler for me I love classic look

[hardy plinth]

Does anyone else have latency issues when playing multiplayer?

[summer copper]

mp5a2 is just classic

[lucid elk]

If only civilians were reliable when it comes to moving to the fucking exit. 🙃

[lucid elk]

Search and Secure order applies to all available rooms, or at least ones you've been in.

[weak mist]

Oh, I thought it was only for the room I was standing in

[lucid elk]

It is until you secure all civilians and suspects.

[umbral oar]

oh dude you can load one shell by double tapping r

[jolly verge]

only if they in locked state, as you unlock them they wont be working anymore

so you pretty much can fire dude with unlocked trait

[kindred temple]

?????

is this real

[jolly verge]

yeap, dont ask me why

this real

still a thing after 1.0

[kindred temple]

i wont believe you unless another person confirms that

[jolly verge]

ahahah

check for yourself)

[boreal violet]

Sorry if this has already been asked recently but can someone explain how score works? I was under the impression that you get A+ if you do everything correctly (all objectives, all suspects killed or arrested, all civs alive and reported, all evidence collected) and S tier was no death. Me and my friend played datacentre and hard completed the level with no penalty’s but only got a B??

[jolly verge]

start new company and take kicker with locked trait and try kick doors

then unlock his trait or replace him

[jolly verge]

also in spreadsheet https://i.imgur.com/7iv70p4.png

[kindred temple]

holy shit hold it with the pings bro

im testing rn

[jolly verge]

sorry

[kindred temple]

got the kicker now lets put it to the test

[vocal night]

if im not mistaken you get can C by doing everything in a mission sometimes

happens in maps with few civilians

[jolly verge]

just make sure door is locked before kick it

[wheat pelican]

It's a lot to type give me a second, someone made an amazing reddit post breaking down the multipliers for the point system

@boreal violet https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/18xysdm/understanding_the_grading_system_of_ready_or_not/ (this is the post that explains it very broken down)

I would post a img of the files too to give a better understanding but cannot here but it functions off of points up until A+ (S is governed by suspect arrests if a suspect is incap or dead you wont get S anymore pre 1.0 you could if incaps)

[kindred temple]

okay

kicker trait is locked and im still able to kick doors down with just one kick

now lets unlock it

[boreal violet]

Thank you so much 🙏

[wheat pelican]

some mods allow you to get S with deaths now, mine, I think gunfighter, no crack as well. some other pretty sure. Lots of us find it dumb you loose S off of incaps which they are still alive. Mine penalizes you heavily roughly 1.5/2k points per unauth deadly force but removes unauth force to allow stealth etc so you dont have to shout everywhere

some things to think about downloading if you enjoy attempting S without the dullness of peppering or beanbagging everyone

[boreal violet]

Got it 👍

[kindred temple]

i tested it and you are right

[acoustic ridge]

why cant i update ready or not? it gest to 99% verifying, then 100 and then it pauses and resets

[kindred temple]

i wasnt able to kick double doors with just one kick

after i unlocked the kicker trait

[jolly verge]

yeah, and that for all traits in game right now

[kindred temple]

wtf lmao

[verbal shoal]

anyone tryna s tier valley of the dolls with me, need that hawaiian shirt

[shy tulip]

Press pause and then resume, it's just a UI error from what I tested

[kindred temple]

nahhhh bro im done

i hope they will fix the traits

thats just stupid

[jolly verge]

we test every hotfix if traits are fixed or not

they dont always describe every bug they fix in patch notes for some reason

[stone bay]

Just fully equip your guys with pepperballs, you with beanbags, and get a gas mask

Id reccomend taking a shield

[kindred temple]

thats why i couldn't see the difference when taking 3 officers with nutritionist traits unlocked

[jolly verge]

they dont stack actually

only one work, and only for swat ai, not you

[kindred temple]

THEY DONT STACK?

[kindred temple]

hold on so this doesnt affect you?

[jolly verge]

right now not

buy may after they fix them

[jolly verge]

no, only armorer affect you

[stone bay]

So you're telling me the Kicker trait doesn't allow me to Kick in a door on one try?

[kindred temple]

it does

[stone bay]

Funny

[kindred temple]

just tested it

[stone bay]

Exactly

[jolly verge]

if it's unlocked - no

[kindred temple]

does veteran affect judge?

does it EVEN work?

[jolly verge]

nah, accuracy is just pure ai stat

[kindred temple]

so it doesnt work at all

[jolly verge]

well it's work for swat ai i guess

[kindred temple]

moral traits def works

i breached one room and a suspect just suicided

pretty sure it was the moral trait

[acoustic ridge]

dont think its a ui error, it tells me disk read error now when its at 99%, when i restart the verification it starts at 0

[kindred temple]

did bro just get autobanned?

the reason why 3 suspects harmed themselves is prolly bcuz you arrested/killed their leader

it affects their moral

[jolly verge]

might be, i just dont fully understand morale system in general

[kindred temple]

yeah its complicated

[tardy light]

Is there a mod that makes your squad manualy reload instead of waiting until their weapon is empty

[foggy zinc]

I don't even think a feature like that is moddable, but i could be wrong

[stable kernel]

If it is inside a blueprint then it cannot be modded currently. I don't remember seeing the team ai logic outside of one so I think we are stuck with it.

[tranquil swallow]

i am sad that my game keeps crashing

[high beacon]

Okay, I'm attempting an S-run on Sins Of The Father. I am fairly sure I am nearly there, possibly just ONE suspect roaming about. Cannot find him. Rescued all civvies, put nearly all the bad guys in cuffs.

Spamming F doesn't work. Telling my crew to Search & Secure does nothing either, they just stand there like dipshits. Any tips? Been searching for 15 minutes for what I assume is the last guy.

[stable kernel]

If S&S does not work to find someone, that means they were surrendered and stood back up or they are behind a door that your team has never opened.

[foggy zinc]

I think you need to report all the suspects, if you haven't done that for all of them then that might be the issue. Otherwise he's either hiding in a very good spot (i.e totally bugged out OR in a closet maybe but idk if they do that on Sins)

that too

[high beacon]

You guys were right lol. Turns out there was ONE door I didn't open and there was ONE enemy inside.

Sadly didn't S-rank it because of ONE case of unauthorized use of force. A+ rank for me.

[summer copper]

good luck with the next one, that one was a pain in the ass for me as well

[tranquil swallow]

anyone here know where the Replay folder is located

[hazy token]

You can open it from the “Replays” section of the game, there’s a button to open the saved replay folder

[inland wolf]

how do you trigger the combat music

[inland wolf]

this should be a thing

the amount of times my guys have died due to having like

a quarter full mag before entering an area with like 3+ guys

has anyone posted about how "Check Door" cant be used as a default command

because the selector skips it for some reason

[shy tulip]

Don't they check the door already when you do stack up

[stable kernel]

They do

[inland wolf]

the doors are not open

id prefer they do something like scan it

so maybe its just a misunderstanding

they should remove check and add scan then

[crystal sierra]

Suspects are able to legit force you to bleed state with 1 bullet, what do you expect them, not to be able to check doors? xD I just had one guy rushing me with pistol on relapse, 2 bullets, my both hands in dark red + helmet gone

[shy tulip]

Two different things

They check if a door is locked, they then pie a door if they're gonna breach it

[crystal sierra]

Can stingers kill suspects ?

[inland wolf]

selector is bugged either way

so that needs to be fixed

[stable kernel]

Pie and slide are what they are called in game. Not sure if they are options in that menu

[inland wolf]

they are not default issue commands

you have to manually go through the menu for them which is kind of a hassle

[lofty raft]

Yeah they default check if the door is locked, the rest you can command them

[crystal sierra]

I just need an option to tell AI to reload 😦

[night pasture]

Being able to tell them to check mags then tell how much is left and then tell them to reload if necessary would be so so so nice

[crystal sierra]

I can't explain how much time on my S runs i got into situation where they will switch to empty pistol like wtf, at least would be useful for them to reload after every cleared room, you sent them to clear the room, they make sure room is clear, they reload by default. That's kind of standard

[frail quartz]

Them ocasionally idly checking mags on their own would be a nice detail

[crystal sierra]

I still can't get over the fact that the suspects kill themself when they are ,,overwhelmed" Like, ffs, i'm trying like 20th time already to clear relapse for S run, every time i find 1 dead suspect at the end of the map

[shy tulip]

Pretty unique to that map, leader wise

[summer copper]

ive heard from someone else that they dont do it much anymore

[crystal sierra]

Map is so fucked tbh. You enter from Main lobby side, you first face morgue clearing, literary both entrances to any room at morgue don't have enough cover on both sides for AI to hide behind the wall, even with C2, there is good chance for enemies to kill them instantly. I agree that the relapse is literary hardest map in the game, time based, suspects kills themself + they are strong af, like, if you hear full auto from them, you know that the one of yours is dead.

[crystal sierra]

Finished sucesfully relapse maybe 10 times out of my 20, always one dead. On my last run 5 minutes ago, i entered from lobby, cleared morgue, all good, went to radiology area, boom, 1 dead somehow in CT scanner room

[vernal bane]

I recommend entering from Underground Parking Lot

Best move imo

[crystal sierra]

I agree, place is much more safer, but there is 1 problem, lobby, they are ocassionally behind the counter on the right, counter is bulletproof somehow even if the model of the glass is all broken, tried many times to even kill them just for test purposses, bullets legit can't go trough

[vernal bane]

Have people go to the far right door instead of entrance

I never have full team go just through sliding doors

Always split

[crystal sierra]

Ffs. i totally forgot about that door's existance overall, ty for reminder xD

[vernal bane]

I have yet to clear True Solo S% but at least I did get an S% full team and it went pretty well so ye

I think the team brought 2 shields that time

Split into 2 teams

3 and 2

[crystal sierra]

I mean, i cleared all maps except relapse and port on S without any help of shield, started using it now on relapse since shield char always take enemy's aggro, but still risky move since i have to equip them with empty pistol

[vernal bane]

Yea that’s usually how you do it

Have the second shoot or gas or whatever

Shield takes brute force

Usually works out just fine

For Port shield isn’t really needed

I think the only map really that shield can be utilized really well is relapse actually

I don’t run shield anywhere else lol

[crystal sierra]

Can stingers kill suspects btw? I tried gas and flash, flash is effective in general, gas also, but gas needs like 1/2 second to activate after throwing, stinger seems more useful

[vernal bane]

Stinger launcher or just the throwable?

[crystal sierra]

Throw

[vernal bane]

Never killed a suspect with the throwable stinger

From my experience at least

[sharp pawn]

is there sketches from the tattoos. i thinking of getting one and some off them are really cool

[crystal sierra]

I swear, biggest enemy on relapse for me is actually open door, not enemies themself

[proud eagle]

biggest enemy is the game's code

still honestly unacceptable that the game simply ruins your completion of a mission by randomly disappearing a gun (in multiplayer, happens frequently)

missed half the guns in a mission because they disappeared

were showing up on my dead partners spectate just fine

[wheat pelican]

yes stingers can kill

[crystal sierra]

Oh. i know very well what you mean, i'm playing always solo but had few situation like that, hopefully, AI can fix that by themself, for example, hotel mission, i arrested 1 suspects on fire escape stairs outside, gun fell trough floor, but AI could secure it magically. I also must complain about leaning mechanic, it's too damn slow, like, bruh, i can't lean but to get instantly shot down cuz i can't return to cover aka cancel lean fast enough even if i want

[proud eagle]

too bad I'm playing without bots, with a single friend

I'm just ranting cuz I'm frustrated

but holy shit
the game is such a buggy mess at this point

and void is talking about not one but two dlcs?
gotta be fckn kidding me

and it isn't like a "lmao funny ragdoll flying" bug

it's a bug that actually ruins 10 minutes of your time every single time it happens

and it happens way too fucking frequently

so pissed I'd ask for a refund if I could

[crystal sierra]

I mean, tbh. after finishing all maps regularly regardless of rank, can say, it's kind of boring overall since everything is always the same. Tried Six days in fallujah for example, there is like 4/5 missions only but since map is always random it adds specific flavor to the game to be played again and again. As well, sdif made better movement mechanic then ron imo, but rn. in terms of added content, RoN has it more definitly.

[crude prism]

they "can" but like the max damage from a stinger is 27

of 160 to incap and another 160 to kill

flashbang deals 1/10th of a single damage point lul

[crystal sierra]

My problem with flashes in general is the fact that they are inconsistent somehow, i feel like they do the same effect like VKS, that gun also, like, you can shoot 10 bullets at the enemy they will just run around coughting for 3/4 second then they will start shooting at you again regardless of the constant yelling etc.

[crude prism]

the damage dealt has nothing to do with the stun effect (thankfully)

usually inconsistencies with flashes are because of the limited range and the tracing being iffy

"sorry bro there was a small cardboard box on the floor but it blocked LOS to the suspect"

stingers on average will produce more reliable instant surrenders, as suspects taking damage DOES influence them giving up, on top of being stunned

[crude prism]

suspects usually will not surrender off only the CS effect, you need to close distance, get multiple people yelling, or hit multiple times for a stun before they'll give in

[crystal sierra]

I mean tbh, i wouldn't even need flashes or any kind of utility if movement was a little bit better, like i mentioned earlier, leaning is so slow, there is almost no chance to peek any angle without being shoot at instantly before you go back to cover, peeking while leaned... slowed movement, pretty much impossible to win any kind of gunfight.

[crude prism]

face checking is a no no

use a mirror, or command the AI to use one, if you HAVE to peek an angle, you need to commit to it, as most walls you're peeking around are not hard cover

[crystal sierra]

Since i'm stuck on relapse, main problem is actually too much objects in hallways, pretty much no space to manouver at all. and, ty good suspect are usually always rushing towards you

[crude prism]

relapse is suffering fr

[earnest phoenix]

so you would need 3200 flashbangs to kill someone right

[tacit lagoon]

how tf am supposed to get evidence stuck under the ground

[crude prism]

yeah pretty much lmao

just like how you need to sit someone in gas for 1600 seconds to kill them

[crystal sierra]

send ai to search and secure

[high beacon]

Yeah AI is able to grab and secure evidence you cannot personally reach

[sharp fox]

which shotgun should i use

i need to execute a suspect

[smoky cedar]

any except for bb shotgun. pretty sure all of them will blow limbs off

[sharp fox]

got it

[umbral oar]

slugs new meta

[karmic pine]

One day I'm hoping for an extensive paperwork mod to make my excessive use of force discouraged

[earnest phoenix]

mandatory 4 hour long mini game per every uuof

if you leave you get your save wiped

[karmic pine]

And a stern talking to that lasts at least 12 minutes from the chief of police, since his office is currently useless

[vague ice]

fuck i cant imagine documenting the reason behind every flashbang throw

[shy tulip]

I felt like it

[summer copper]

i wanted to flashbang someone

[karmic pine]

"I was in fear of my life, and the lives of my fellow officers."

[vestal mauve]

Imagine gassing a room with a hostage and two suspects and the hostage sues the department after the mission

[smoky cedar]

imagine surviving an active shooter by hiding and then getting fucking assassinated because the swat team left you in the open. thank fuck they gave civilians the ability to move towards the exit when not restrained

[summer copper]

would you really wanna say you did it out of fear instead of as a strategic option to clear the room which had multiple hostiles in it, spotted with the mirror gun

[smoky cedar]

sad how it doesn’t always work though

[summer copper]

elephant? i always finish off the shooters before doing anything with civvies

[karmic pine]

Wait, we aren't the school shooters on Elephant?

[smoky cedar]

yes

[summer copper]

good question, mynipshurt

[smoky cedar]

yeah no but sometimes i just run around panicking on the last minute with no bombs disabled and i just fucking shoot and scoot every single suspect as i walk past

[summer copper]

lol fair enough

i beat relapse first try

i might actually be the goat

[static wigeon]

Lolllllll

Luckily I don’t play as American cop

[scenic smelt]

anyone else having 6gb update?

[static wigeon]

I did and I don’t get why the size

[scenic smelt]

oh nvm im supporter edition, early access to DLC 1

[frail quartz]

I'm not sure they ever said anything about early access, just free access to the DLC

[static wigeon]

Is the dlc worth it?

[summer copper]

they changed the LOD on most textures

[frail quartz]

We dunno, it's not out yet

[static wigeon]

Ah

[umbral oar]

oh nah bruh

[scenic smelt]

early access, check the roadmap

DLC1 early access for supporter edition lol

I'm updating rn

[smoky cedar]

so did i in multiplayer with one teammate and they died mid game

[smoky cedar]

what did supporter edition get

pretty sure it was some FBI HRT gear before it got renamed to FISA HRT

only thing that normal players can use is the FISA HRT vest

but the USMS gear is probably more W but i haven’t seen the hrt myself

[static wigeon]

Darn so no new guns

[frail quartz]

Probably not until 1.1, no

[static wigeon]

[urban walrus]

A few guns and a shield reskins,2 HRT uniforms, soundtrack, free DLC 1

[smoky cedar]

Show the hrt uniforms, and what soundtrack? What guns were reskinned?

What shield reskin

[urban walrus]

G19 (PC19), SR-16 (MK1), B1301 (Entryman), ballistic shield (HRT 'Defender' Rescue shield) https://store.steampowered.com/app/1844910/Ready_or_Not_Supporter_Edition/?curator_clanid=4777282
also a tan version of the GPNVGs

[lapis niche]

any word on the team doing anything else to commander mode? feels super half baked at this stage

[upbeat wadi]

non lethal?

[summer copper]

hell no

[upbeat wadi]

then same

and i didnt even know there was bombs

[summer copper]

yeah me neither

i came across them and i was like ah bugger there's bombs

[upbeat wadi]

yeah but for me it was literally so late that just as i defused the first one, TOC goes "heads up bombs are gonna blow soon"

so I frantically ran around the place trying to find the second (actually first) one in under 1m, then randomly remembered there was beeping in the lobby, no medical doohickeys in the lobby is there

nothin that should beep

so i bolted there and got it so close to the end the sound had changed to that hissing

[summer copper]

i've never been exploded by bombs

[upbeat wadi]

I have, elephant the first time i did it (didnt know about the bombs again), vest feller on neon when i kicked a door in right in his face

i like to think he just jumped out of reflex and accidentally pressed the jannah button

and he actually meant to hide and sit it out, surrender if he got found

way more comical that way

[summer copper]

ohh i beat neon tomb first try

shot the bomb vest guy in the chest

he somehow didn't explode

[upbeat wadi]

thats not how plastic explosives work, its a dead mans switch type gig probably

[summer copper]

yeah but again it's a videogame

i kinda expected him to blow up

[granite scarab]

why do people play online without a mic?

[summer copper]

idk maybe they just don't have one

[umbral oar]

i feel like free lean is cheating

[frail quartz]

It technically is

Your view is further than your actual model is

So you can peek around corners/doors without exposing as much of your body as you should

I remember seeing a video that showed it off pretty well

[summer copper]

it's not "cheating" so much as it is "ridiculously powerful"

[frail quartz]

I'd consider it cheating since I'm 99% sure the devs didn't intend for you to be able to shoot around corners when your actual model is still staring at a wall

[summer copper]

i'd consider it cheating if it wasn't a feature implemented by the devs

whether intentional or not

[frail quartz]

Oversight ≠ 'implemented by the devs'

[granite scarab]

f it literally had about 20 people in a row absolutely no communication. Done for the night. Zero mics online.

Didn't used to be this way

[summer copper]

you can have an oversight about a feature and still implement it

[frail quartz]

Yeah but there's literally nothing suggesting they're intentionally keeping this

Nor any reason for them to

[summer copper]

if it's a bug or an oversight then they'll fix it

[crude prism]

surely

[umbral oar]

mfs trying to justify wallhacks

[summer copper]

it's a PvE game

[frail quartz]

A PvE game meant to be a challenge, yes

[summer copper]

i don't know what fuckin wallhacks you use but i'm pretty sure looking around a corner isn't that

okay then don't use it if you don't wanna use it

[frail quartz]

Shooting around a corner without the suspects being able to see/shoot you back, yes

[umbral oar]

mirrorless mirrorgun

whatever its called

[frail quartz]

I probably could've worded that better one sec

We're not saying you can't use it, we're just saying there's no way its intentional

[summer copper]

no no i'm saying that if you think it's overpowered, and you wish to not use it, then don't use it. i usually don't use it anyway cuz i just use the mirrorgun but tbh ill take any advantage i can get when they have 0.1s reaction times

game ain't perfect

[formal brook]

guys whats the most accepatble rifle for valley of the dolls? (please dont say the sa-58, I know that its best used in that map for obvious reasons regarind the the suspects are)

[umbral oar]

literally all of them work

[formal brook]

mk thanks

should i do .300 blk or 5.56

[wispy mural]

ARWC, LVAR, MCX, HK416, etc

[umbral oar]

.300 is slightly better

[formal brook]

mk

[wispy mural]

The ARWC is like the balance between the MK18 and SR-16

[formal brook]

alright

how does my team loadout sound: alpha and charlie have an SA58, and bravo and delta have M1301s, one with all slugs, one with all buckshot

[summer copper]

sounds like a great loadout for leaving no survivors

give them all stingers and breach shotguns

[frail quartz]

Is it really a balance if it has lower recoil than both?

[formal brook]

thats the least of my concern on valley of the dolls

[summer copper]

then you're sorted

[echo silo]

jesus christ, 2 fucking years this game has been out and the performance is still the worst i've seen in a game

2 years in early access and the optimisation is still shit, and they fucking ship it out like this and call it 1.0?

[night pasture]

what's your specs lmao

[echo silo]

2070 super, r7 3700x, it was perfectly capable of running the game before and some update ruined that ages ago, changing graphics settings has literally zero effect

[frozen plover]

I have similar specs. No problems on 1440p

[night pasture]

Im like p sure i have similar if not same shit,

i get 120 across all maps lol

[summer copper]

what directx version are you running

[echo silo]

i've tried both

same result, no effect

[frozen plover]

Tried verifying game cache?

[night pasture]

Use 12x and let the shaders load by playing the map

do like a big spin at the start of each level

im not joking

shit works

[summer copper]

shit does work

[granite robin]

Console Unlocker (F2 cam) not working for me with latest version of In-Game Menu. Anyone else have this issue and/or know how to troubleshoot?

[summer copper]

if it's a mod it was probably screwed up by the recent update

[granite robin]

Yes, seems to work for others though. Could be a combination of mods

[summer copper]

some mods might've been messed up while others were left untouched

[steep onyx]

how do you find the file for the config for interaction settings

[gleaming fable]

hey bros, are you experiencing strethy map textures on carriers of vine map?

[clear lintel]

who hurt you big man

[tough spire]

Terminally bitten by the histrionics bug. 😔

[echo silo]

my frames, brother

[brittle sable]

nah man the optimisation is passable or good now for most of us

[hoary willow]

Are any of your components overclocked? My game kept crashing and turns out it was my overclocked ram which crashed my gpu

[echo silo]

nah they're just factory overclocked

i did that spinning around shit someone suggested and that helped a bit anyhow

[upbeat wadi]

@alpine kindle thanks for your sage advice, cleared hide and seek

two officers down, 59 minutes (granted, more like 40 without running around the map trying to figure out what the fuck piece of evidence i missed only to find out it was an unreportable dead body that glitched through some stairs), had to call myself an ambulance for my heart attack, but we fuckin did it boys WE STOPPED CRIME

[gleaming vessel]

Make sure the 2 paks are in the same folder and enable the compatibility loading in the IGM mods tab

[static wigeon]

If only there’s machete mod

[upbeat wadi]

also so what's up with the shut the door shit in the last mission, is there a plausible theory on that in the community or is it just "check this out, fsia are EVIL" and there's no more thought put into it than that?

[sharp fox]

fisa are just goofy and mischevious like that 😝

[prime wing]

probably both

Either just fisa bad, or there are plotlines still open to be explored if they pursue those

I completed that mission objective last, and once credits rolled over, it was just anti climatic and basically yeah nothing you do matters. Just another toy in the system.

thats the campaign

Probably a lot of stuff unanswered to explore in future dlcs

Future cutscenes/scripted scenes and potential new quality of life additions will improve the commander experience all throughout for future players, but as an old player I am never getting that experience for the first time

and thats the end of that rant

[sharp fox]

good

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-tony-soprano-funny-gif-5018786074331786569

[crystal sierra]

Ah, just confirmed, Relapse still have 1000 wallbangable walls for suspects to shoot you trough :X

[lucid elk]

Lmao locking a proper story behind a DLC is going to be fucking hilarious.

[lucid elk]

Depending on how you view it, it could just be an attempt at an edgy plot twist. IMO a really failed one.

[upbeat wadi]

i didn't even get that cause i played it in practice because i got fed up with commander lmao

[modern escarp]

Question: is the beanbag shotgun the best non lethal?

[prime wing]

Im sure theres a lot of work written in the maps, documents and all of that is really great. I dont have an issue with those details, but realistically none of that is conceptualized in gameplay, cutscenes or relevant mp3 briefings (Which are a snooze fest for the most part, even for maps with high stakes). Environmental storytelling is nice, yet theres only so much that I enjoy, which I think its my fair. I just cant. Will watch the 5hr video most likely

Not saying that the games needs triple A cutscenes, it does not. But the hide n seek ending kinda blows

The audio logs for the briefings had cool moments with the 911 calls

really great ones

[crystal sierra]

Depends how you look at it, from one side, yes it is the best, you can relyably force suspects to surrender, there is no unauthorized force penalty, but from other side, you are limited to close range only + beanbag since last patch have more then awful accuarcy overall. VKS is kind of more flexible since you can tag suspect on range, but if you shoot armed suspect who is beside somene who already surrendered, you will get unauthorized force penalty since you gased suspect who is complaining.

[tacit gull]

VKS is unreliable, TPL is not even worth looking at, beanbag shotgun shoots slow but is guaranteed to stop target (if it decides to hit).
It's up to you

[crystal sierra]

Try it on low manouver maps like relapse, you can't pull back to cover, you can't allow yourself to play any kind of agressive since they will kill you instantly. xD In terms of VKS, shoot legs, for some reason they always complain instantly when shot into the legs but not in the body / head, lol.

[tacit gull]

Taser is also very nice but the projectile can just go through suspects so that's fun

[crystal sierra]

Pretty much like in real life, you will not be able to pull the taser unless you are 100% sure that others around you are holding all other angles covered for you to perform taser how you want, and that's something what you can't rely on with AI teammates overall.

[hardy plinth]

Especially when you're the client in a multiplayer game

[tacit gull]

I used the taser on my first lethal playthrough to actually try to get people in alive (in a SWAT game? crazy i know) and most of the time it ended with me dying because the projectile just phased through the hitbox even in singleplayer

[limber steppe]

Every time I try to pull a taser the suspects go from hesitant crybaby mode to death the destroyer of worlds

[crystal sierra]

Since i didn't saw any kind of footage to confirm, only thing what i can say is for taser to work properly suspect needs to be static overall. Taser is usually used in situation where suspect is surrounded but doesn't want to complain, in all other situations you use an Beanbag as an more agressive and vesatile option. If you die from suspect trying to tase them while they are armed that's totally on you, your mistake, noone elses.

[tacit gull]

It's not really my mistake when the projectile is just broken, the beanbag can only be used if you swap your lethal primary for it, which means you are ineffective in an actual gunfight where you would need it so either you're locked to playing less lethal with the shotgun or playing the the hitboxes with the taser, not fun

It's even worse in multiplayer where the taser has an even worse problem to the point where not even the melee works for it

[limber steppe]

wouldnt it be cool if the beanbag was a long tactical

[tacit gull]

Nah that would make too much sense

[crystal sierra]

You obviously didn't read my first sentence in terms of projectile going trough suspects. irl let's say 2/3 of them will go with lethal weapon, 1 will go with beanbag. Now there is a lot of more factors to look on that. Like the fact that you as an suspect will be most likely itimidated since they are holding lethal weapons onto your head, ofc, there is no reset irl so you will most likely complain, there is also stress factor about your overall senses, like flashlight being pointed into you etc. When you are blind, you don't know how to react since you don't see shit. But unfortunently, flashlights can't blind suspects in RoN or get you any kind of higher itimidation on suspects.

[crystal sierra]

Pretty much stupid idea to go away from realism overall. That's similiar to some guy literary asking for option to go taser + shield combo lol.

[tacit gull]

My guy is talking about realism and then mentions one SWAT officer going with beanbags in a highly volatile situation, going with the beanbag shotgun AT ALL is not realistic, so having it on your back instead of a huge fucking shield isn't "unrealistic", ignoring the fact that picking an LTL in a lobby with people using lethals is a bad idea as 9/10 times the suspect you stun gets decimated anyway

[limber steppe]

I dont know much about law enforcement, especially in the us, but do swat teams actually carry beanbag shotguns as their primaries?

genuine question

[tacit gull]

No, patrol officers might have one for riot control but definetly not SWAT going in to raid something

[crystal sierra]

I agree, that the going full non-lethal is unrealistic af, but it is what it is. Ty God, game will not give you S rank if you for example down the suspect with some body shots, you get unresponsive but breathing ( so, alive ), but nah, it's still not S rank, he is downed.

[tacit gull]

It should atleast give you extra points for not killing suspects, as it is the incapacitated feature is absolutely worthless right now, the second you cuff them on the ground they don't even move either, so it's literally impossible to tell who is incapacitated afterwards

[crystal sierra]

Pretty much in Us they will carry multiple weapons in their cruisers and pull them out when needed / approved. Pretty much you never want to send any kind of non-lethal weapon carrier first to clear any kind of room since you will get shot instantly, guy beside you, even two of them will enter first to kind of scout and make sure it's safe to you to enter then beanbag carrier enters.

[limber steppe]

the game's approach that requires you to handicap yourself with less-lethal options just to have the ability to take suspects out alive and well (unless you land a good stinger/flashbang) is not understandable to me

[crystal sierra]

Wait until you try Relapse on S, tried like 20 times already, usually either don't even get chance to finish the mission, or even worse, i finish the mission but always find 1 suspect dead at the end of the mission, cuz they offed themself cuz overwhelmed.

[limber steppe]

I did have situations where suspects gave up without using either but it's so rare it's not even a viable solution

especially since I'm an exclusively solo player, and the ai always goes for the kill instantly

[crystal sierra]

Pretty much only thing what you can do to let's say supress some aggro from suspect is to use 1 AI with shield and empty pistol, they will push first and take some bullets until other arrives, ideally you want guy with beanbag as an second guy in the squad, it's pretty effective but sometimes you must help them with additional utility, on big maps like relapse it's almost impossible.

[merry phoenix]

I'm trying to get S on neon tomb, anyone knows how to deal with the bomber?

[rocky plover]

aloooot of taser shots, but even then sometimes he just would not care and would require a restart

[merry phoenix]

does flash or smoke work?

[rocky plover]

it can but sometimes they are so stubborn that would require an additional taser shot

[merry phoenix]

k

[rocky plover]

a couple of times i had one of them that required 7 taser shots to surrender

but i also had a couple times that they would not surrender to anything so i had to restart

similar situation in hospital map when they shoot themselves in the head

[flint shadow]

This discord feels so much quieter now than beta. Back then, each VC was packed full and you was struggling to get into a group. Now, it's the opposite end of the spectrum

[merry phoenix]

How to deal with that

[rocky plover]

well like i said taser usually has the instant "effect" at stopping them, but sometimes they are super fast at shooting themselves, like once i threw CS GAS and 2 suspects instantly shot themselves lol

[merry phoenix]

How long did it take you to get s

[rocky plover]

around 5 tries on hospital and around 15 on neon tomb

i hate when suspects shoot at you and a civ gets clipped in the crossfire but the suspects, had that alot on neon tomb XD

[merry phoenix]

also how do you deal with suspect pointing guns at civi's head

[rocky plover]

flashbangs or stingers usually, preferably with the launcher so its instant

with the beanbag its a bit risky cos you can kill them if you shoot at their head

[midnight goblet]

What keybind is game chat (typing)

[merry phoenix]

i think its K or L by default

[midnight goblet]

Ty

[rocky plover]

iirc default is Y and U

for team chat or all chat

[merry phoenix]

oops

[midnight goblet]

How do I ‘zoom out’ on my ADS scope

Like at times I’m zoomed in more then others

[merry phoenix]

i usually vc so pardon me if i get it wrong

[rocky plover]

can disable it, people said the tablet is causing bugs in different ads zoom levels

[midnight goblet]

How do I disable it

[rocky plover]

options > graphics > disable it

[alpine kindle]

eyy, gj

[weak mist]

Dude I am so sick of running around for 10 minutes at the end of every level looking for the last civie

This is getting to repetetive bro

[stone bay]

just play the game properly

[weak mist]

Tf you mean

[stone bay]

just play it the right way

[weak mist]

I am but I notice that if I set my ai team to clear a room they will leave a civvie and I have to go running around the whole map for 5-10 minutes to find him

[stone bay]

ok so the AI are shit so idk what the big deal with super human like AI is about

[stone bay]

not rlly

[weak mist]

How are you going to say not really to my experience? lol

[stone bay]

it doesn’t take you 5-10 mins

[weak mist]

It usually does

[alpine kindle]

start from main lobby and use wedges.
Also i notice you have changed your opinions you bombed on me when i was going for act of valor discussing some unrealistic or stupid things.. as for your assumption it was skill issue, i cleared hide and seek being a frontman without shield doing all the shooting. got act of valor unlocked in less then 60 hours of gameplay taking 2 weeks from start to finish.😉

[stone bay]

k

[stone bay]

how long though?

because it doesn’t if not

[weak mist]

I do not keep count but it feels like 10 but is probably 5

[stone bay]

so it’s 5ish

[weak mist]

Yes

[stone bay]

ok yea the AI are stupid they should let you know

[weak mist]

I do not know if the ai is hiding and switches rooms or if my ai team does not clear it or if I over look it but it is pissing me of a little bit

[stone bay]

I just let my whole AI team clear rooms and deal with it

they carry me through out the whole game and I search at the end

[weak mist]

That seems boring af

[stone bay]

it is boring af

[weak mist]

I just set my team to breach and either clear the room through another entrance, clear a different room or go in behind the team

[weak mist]

Then why are you doing it lol

[stone bay]

because if I open the door and go in first typically I get sprayed down and the AI behind me gets killed too

[weak mist]

I do not have that issue

[stone bay]

enemy ai got aimbot and stuff

[weak mist]

Just check your corners

[stone bay]

ye I did

[weak mist]

Not anymore, they fixed it a couple weeks after new years

[stone bay]

k maybe I need to be more tactical instead of rushing in then

[weak mist]

Some of them might be to bad, would like to see their skill varie based of of the mission instead of having ex millitary personel be as shitty as some smugglers with glocks

[weak mist]

Probably

Let the team breach and lob a flash or stinger in the room then go behind them

[prime mural]

Or just rush tactically

[stone bay]

no I just rush

most of the time

[prime mural]

Ready of duty

[weak mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-critics-choice-awards-side-eye-confused-clapping-gif-14741917063569043913

[prime mural]

They never stood a chance

[weak mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bobawooyo-dog-confused-dog-huh-dog-meme-shocked-dog-gif-16713203299056947073

Dude why do giffs not work

Lame

[prime mural]

Then rush better bc I've found they like to miss their first shot most the time

Kekw

[stone bay]

yea I will

[prime mural]

Anyone else find that? Feel like there's a grace period of random misses b4 they start hittjng

Unless ur super close which tbf isn't uncommon

[rocky plover]

i feel like the AI is a bit too easy now tbh

[stone bay]

no it’s like I’m playing on impossible difficulty

[prime mural]

Fs if u got used to the death ai b4

[rocky plover]

while I agree 1.0 AI had some ridiculous moments but it was more fun XD

[prime mural]

Oh my God this game gets so easy if u just shoot first

[rocky plover]

but ye it might be because i got too used to the AI on 1.0 that now it feels easier

[prime mural]

I just have to swap out one of my guys cause he had to therapist after one map LUL

[stone bay]

oh ok LUL

[alpine kindle]

after act of valor achievement i am now roleplaying the ex military civ acting on the event.
going in solo with no armour and either pistol or shotgun or smg
it is highly doable to outaim these ai.
it only takes a bit more strategical position and decent aim.

[rocky plover]

yea

[prime mural]

So like a no damage run with a special load out. Sounds cool

Does no armor feel much different to ceramic?

[alpine kindle]

it does for sure. getting caught shot once instantly pulls you in the dying state

[prime mural]

How bout movement wise

[alpine kindle]

movement wise it remains the same since movement is mainly based on layout

[jolly verge]

0.08 sec difference in acceleration with full ceramic

[rocky plover]

i like light armor with ceramic plates

feels good middle ground

[alpine kindle]

oh on the running speed i have not really been to aware

[jolly verge]

walk speed is same for all armor

only acceleration is affected by ceramic/steel

[rocky plover]

yeah inertia basically

[normal charm]

what do people want from the next DLC

[alpine kindle]

way more maps, none lethal pistol with rubber bullets.

[normal charm]

i want more breeching options

[hardy plinth]

I want more non-lethal weapons

The only truly reliable one right now is the beanbag shotgun

[stiff roost]

Agreed, a pistol would be really nice.

[hardy plinth]

New maps are expensive, I'd just like to see more replayability on the maps we have

Modifiers or different mission types

[granite robin]

I did. This used to work for me

[smoky cedar]

Gunfighter mod has a g18 and an mk18 simmunition which is basically airsoft guns. They do the same shit as pepperball guns

[rocky plover]

well not a whole lot to choose from tbh, i'd say the SRS after the Eotech is quite good

[silk junco]

jacket.

[rocky plover]

👋

you're welcome, also btw it's mostly personal preference so i suggest experimenting with them and choose what you prefer

[rocky plover]

yeah true the small pepperball gun should be in secondary slot tbh

and they should give us the option to use taser in secondary slot for S runs, but still keep the possibility to use it as a tactical for when you want a sidearm aswell

[hardy plinth]

I just want them to fix taser first

[stone bay]

what's wrong with the tazer?

[hardy plinth]

Wonky hitboxes

Borderline unusable in multiplayer as a client

[stone bay]

ah yeah i've noticed that which is why i stopped using it

[rocky plover]

yeah true thats annoying

[hardy plinth]

It just fases right through enemies sometimes

Even as they're running right at you

[rocky plover]

but apart from that the taser got very op since 1.0 tbh

while the opposite happened with the pepper spray lol

[hardy plinth]

Yeah it's really good when it works

It's only weird how there's no proper animation for it

[rocky plover]

used to be the best, and now it does nothing other than make the suspects more aggressive lol

pepperspray that it ^

[hardy plinth]

And enemies just casually talk to you when they're being tased

[rocky plover]

ye xD

[hardy plinth]

It feels very beta-version

Like they'll add it later and they just use the generic stun animation for now

[mystic walrus]

I also find it silly that you can't use a Taser with a shield

[rocky plover]

yeah used to be able to do that before 1.0

since taser was in secondary slot before

[hardy plinth]

Yeah that would be really fun for an S-rank

It would just mean you can run something reliable other than beanbag

[mystic walrus]

I mean i barely played the game before 1.0, only really played it after that

[rocky plover]

but then again taser was trash back before 1.0

and for 1 slot you would only get 1 shot

[mystic walrus]

Had a lot of fun doing all missions in S rank but i just noticed so much stuff that was annoying

[rocky plover]

now you get 6

[mystic walrus]

Also a question, eversince the previous hotfix (not this one, the one before it) my AIs bug out on certain doors

Is it like that for you all too?

Its mainly double doors that break the ai for me

[rocky plover]

only played multiplayer after the 1st hotfix yet cos i had finished all S ranks before the first hotfix, so havent tried single player yet again

[mystic walrus]

Ah multiplayer, i mean everytime i tried it it really boiled down to 5 seconds in "can we reset"

[rocky plover]

ye sometimes it do be like that with casuals XD

[mystic walrus]

Sometimes im even baffled how quick they are all gone

[rocky plover]

yeah sadly very few play it as a team

then the moment they die they restart or leave

or blame it on someone else

[mystic walrus]

Tbh just 2 things and id be happy, i wish the old g36 handle would be back or at least Optional and i wish you could set up AI so they act at the same time

I remember some game where you could give em orders and delay it so they act at the same time

Dunno which one it was

[rocky plover]

you can queue orders if that's what you're asking about

[mystic walrus]

Oh i can? How

I have 200 hours in the game now

[rocky plover]

commanding the command you want while holding the Hold command

[mystic walrus]

Ill try it once im home next week

[rocky plover]

check the controls cos i forgot what was the default key since i pretty much changed like 70% of the controls xD

[mystic walrus]

Also i remember there being a high ready and i remember me using it before 1.0

But now when i look i only see low ready

Did they remove it

[rocky plover]

there's an option in the settings to choose a preference

sadly can't have both at the same time like Ground Branch or Operator

you gotta choose either high or low

[mystic walrus]

Mhm

I hope the next customisation unlockables are something other than a watch and a tattoo

Idk what it is, but i dont like the look of any of the plate carriers for example

My own plate carrier looks dope

Then i look at the game and im just like "ill prefer the vest"

[rocky plover]

hahaha

well at least mods make it interesting aswell

[mystic walrus]

Yeah but i dont like modding this game

I played with em but modding online games just feels wrong to me

[rocky plover]

yeah true, i run with no mods completely vanilla

but at least its available to us

[mystic walrus]

Yeah

I like modding single player games

But even then, its a real piece of work sometimes

[rocky plover]

i prefer for them focusing on the gameplay and other important stuff before customisation and such

[mystic walrus]

Like last month where i decided to mod skyrim from the ground up again

6 hours

[rocky plover]

damn

[mystic walrus]

Its nice that RoN is at least easy to mod

[mystic walrus]

To be fair it was 300 mods and about 4 hours were figuring out issues

[rocky plover]

ah makes sense haha

[mystic walrus]

Then you finish modding and youre like "huh cool i dont wanna play anymore"

[stone bay]

callsign patches when?

[stone bay]

real

[rocky plover]

sounds like me when i do hours setting up loadouts then play 1 game and leave XD

[mystic walrus]

Although itd be interesting what they add in the future in terms of gadgets

My buddy works closely with the gsg9 and he showed me some stuff they got and it was honestly pretty cool

Wish we had those ladders

[tacit scaffold]

Trying to make sure every mod pairs together perfectly really is a draining task

[rocky plover]

ye that would be nice

[stone bay]

collapsible ones?

[mystic walrus]

Yeah, we also have ladders for storming buildings but theirs were way cooler

And their drones were cool

[hardy plinth]

I know this is probably not the vision of the game but it would be awesome if we could hang from ropes and jump through windows like in Siege

[stone bay]

me, an intellectual, setting up loadouts for every weapon in the game and only using 1 or 2 of them

[rocky plover]

sounds about right xD

[mystic walrus]

Yeah i feel you, but you gotta remember how many roofs you can access without entering a building

[rocky plover]

zero hour which is similar to RoN has rappeling which is quite nice tbh

they also have drones, police dogs

[mystic walrus]

Also one thing i don't quite get is the ammo in the game

Like we got combat ammo, which is basically armor penetration and that would knock you down if you didnt have a plate carrier

But sometimes i feel like the ai just is pumped full with meth

[stone bay]

zero hour is fun af when there are people actually playing

[mystic walrus]

Wait, that explains it actually

[rocky plover]

ye sadly the playerbase keeps shrinking

[stone bay]

the AI is so stupid though

[rocky plover]

true

[stone bay]

they shoot surrendering suspects and i lose my chance at 100%ing the op

and solo'ing them shits is hard

[mystic walrus]

Never tried zero hour

Looks interesting from the google result though

[rocky plover]

i finished most of them before they added swat AI

[stone bay]

what's cool about their devs is that they patch the game every other week. like bugs and shit.

[rocky plover]

except for paradise city, that map is hard af

[rocky plover]

yeah

[stone bay]

my autism demands i 100% all of them before i do the rest and i'm stuck on breaking meth

[rocky plover]

its quite nice and hey its very cheap and very frequent on sale too so even cheaper

[rocky plover]

ah i see

havent tried the last few maps that much that they had added though

[mystic walrus]

Might try it then

[stone bay]

get it on sale, not worth $30 full price

[mystic walrus]

Although my wallet is still recovering from my previous games i bought

[rocky plover]

its $10

[stone bay]

oh nice

they def need more ppl playing it

[rocky plover]

and goes for 5,6,7 very frequently

[mystic walrus]

Then ill grab it

Im not gonna buy many 30-60 games for pc since i barely have time to use it

RoN is pretty expensive now too isnt it

I dont remember when but i bought it for like 15

[rocky plover]

well with 1.0 price went up quite a bit

happens with alot of games

[mystic walrus]

I wouldnt know, i dont play many early access games

[rocky plover]

15? damn thats good, i had got it for 27 and it was on sale

original price was 36 iirc, now its 50

[mystic walrus]

Yeah i wouldnt have bought it for 40 back then

[rocky plover]

it was 36 just checked

lowest its been was 26.99 with sale

[mystic walrus]

I looked i paid 20 for it

[rocky plover]

😮

[mystic walrus]

Either way i gotta catch my train

Was fun talkin to you though

[rocky plover]

likewise, cya and take care

[steel ibex]

are there any older weapons mods?

i wanna get the m14 that one really good cop has

[hollow citrus]

yo guys does customisation isnt getting unlocked in multiplayer anymore or something, i just played on farm got an A (no mods) and i didnt unlock a silver watch or anything.

[smoky cedar]

it should be unlocked

[junior river]

how do I see my pontuation? i mean if i got "a" and all that

im on the lobby, when I select a mission I already completed, it doesnt show up

[somber plover]

theres no feature for it

[junior river]

hm

then how am i suposed to do the steam achievements if i cant see it?

[smoky cedar]

uhh... guys.. i told my team to kick & clear a room and then they all blew up, im in singleplayer and 1/4th of the map is clear

[tacit scaffold]

What map

[smoky cedar]

cherryessa farm

[tacit scaffold]

Oh damn, didnt know that one had tripwires on them

yah you gotta use your mirrorgun to check for traps

[smoky cedar]

HOLY FUCK i just got jumpscared and almost ruined an objective

like 5 civilians just charged at me, all unarmed and have no knives

all of them surrendered on sight though

OH SHIT LETS FUCKING GO one of the civilians had an AK but yeeted it into the other room. order to chaos has been brought

[smoky cedar]

Eyyy W the last civilian was in the room that my teammates tried clearing

Eyyy W none of my teammates were killed or incapacitated

[tacit scaffold]

now try it with no lethal weapons

[smoky cedar]

Eyyy W i finally beat the mission

[smoky cedar]

no 😭 i have to do relapse

and then the GOD AWFUL... port hokan

[dim cairn]

I've just obliterated like seven civilians

[vestal mauve]

Roger that 🗿

[smoky cedar]

"Entry team to TOC, your wife is cheating on you."
"Roger that. 🗿"
"With me."
"Roger that. 🗿"

I love the SWAT 4 voicelines, TOC in that game was basically hired to say "Roger that. 🗿" and he can be placed out of context with just 1 voiceline

[upper sapphire]

If anyone wants to join a unit that is starting please DM me. 16+

[vestal mauve]

Other Officers: waaaa waaa I'm a baby waaaa I shot a guy that was threatening to kill me waaaa
David "Judge" Beaumont: -100 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF DEADLY FORCE -100 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF DEADLY FORCE -100 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF DEADLY FORCE

[lean valve]

Just peek the door or if you have the breaching shotgun "detonate" it from a safe range

[tacit scaffold]

good idea

[safe cliff]

👎👎 F to kick door

[vocal night]

damn i just got spawn peeked in ridgeline

apparently thats a thing

[craggy yew]

R6 flashbacks

[smoky cedar]

Yeah i played the map like 10 times and that ONE room has NEVER had a tripwire

Got unlucky that round but thank fuck the last civilians and unarmed suspects were in that area

[kindred temple]

C2, move and clear

[smoky cedar]

IM HIM

IM HIM

NO WAY I DID THAT LETS FUCKING GO

I S RANKED RELAPSE FIRST TRY

[smoky cedar]

S rank relapse first try im him

[summer copper]

whats the difference between NVGS and GPNVGS

[smoky cedar]

one is black one is tan

[vocal night]

they give different vision when equipped

[silk junco]

literally nothing

[summer copper]

thank you

[kindred temple]

idk but gpnvgs are better

[lean valve]

GPNVGS should give you a wider view

[near schooner]

bullshit

there is no difference

its just 2 different styles

theres 3 diff styles actually. because the nvgs have an older style

[lean valve]

Ingame? Probably havent tried the NVGs

Irl? Yes there is

[near schooner]

go to the military camp if you wanna talk about irl

its RON discussion, not IRL discussion

[frail quartz]

IRL the GPNVGS give you a much wider field of view, but the devs didn't even give the GPNVGS their own overlay

[lean valve]

Calm down buddy

[frail quartz]

So yeah they're completely cosmetic

[near schooner]

im calm lil man

[near schooner]

honestly it would look interesting if we could have upsides and downsides to them

[frail quartz]

I mean, realistically what downsides to the GPNVGs would there be

Preformance wise, obviously the cost

It should just be a straight upgrade shouldn't it?

[gaunt turtle]

40k for goggles keepin you Big as hell

[near schooner]

we should have a progresion system

[frail quartz]

What does "big as hell" mean

[gaunt turtle]

no 😭😭😭

[frail quartz]

Didn't SWAT 4 have one?

[near schooner]

EXACTLY

BRING THAT SHIT BACK

[kindred temple]

you mean like things will get unlock by progressing?

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I agree that some progression would be nice for the gameplay loop

[near schooner]

yes

[gaunt turtle]

ok yeah maybe it would be fun

[near schooner]

or a store system

actually, nah, wouldnt be realistic

[gaunt turtle]

getting full gear for the first gas station mission feels weird

[kindred temple]

progression should only work with the weapons and not equipment

[near schooner]

just an overall progresion system, with diff ranks and badges would be nice

[gaunt turtle]

yea

[near schooner]

and some other cosmetics

[kindred temple]

a bit unfair to me

[near schooner]

cosmetics = map wise/map rank wise

[frail quartz]

I also think it'd be nice for the first mission to be a small-scale arrest-warrant mission rather than a full blown emergency situation

Like, the first couple of SWAT 4 missions only had two suspects each didn't it?

[near schooner]

guns grenades armor headgear plates = progression wise

sights, barrels, lasers = olso progression wise

hold on quantumnuke is typing, let bro cook...

okay he didnt wanna cook he just turned off the oven

[limber steppe]

Items being locked away behind progression could force players to utilize equipment they may not like, ask payday 3 devs how that goes. Personally I wouldn't want to have to complete any amount of missions just to be able to put an IR laser on my HK416

[near schooner]

who the fuck wants an IR laser

[frail quartz]

I imagined a barrel customization system being more of a gimmick than anything since longer barrels don't actually have any benefit in thi sgame

[limber steppe]

I always take NVGs and an IR laser when I run twisted nerve

Rust belt too

[near schooner]

barrel's by that i meant like. flashlights and other stuff that can be added on the railing

[frail quartz]

Isn't that the entire point of a progression system?

[limber steppe]

Yes it is, but people won't like it

[frail quartz]

Yeah but that's kinda the point of it

[near schooner]

its not like your forced to use an HK416

like imagine going from weaker weapons to stronger weapons

[limber steppe]

I like the freedom of being able to choose my equipment from the start of the game, character customisation is a neat bonus

[near schooner]

ofc the non-lethal's will already be available

[near schooner]

might as well actually be a setting

if you think about it

QUANTEM IS COOKING

[frail quartz]

The 4th mission is the only one where suspects begin wearing bodyarmor isn't it?

[near schooner]

armor will instantly be available

[frail quartz]

You'd probably be completely fine using SMGs for the first two

[near schooner]

light, no armor, and anti stab

only with kevlar tho

[frail quartz]

I know I'm just talking about weapons

[near schooner]

ah

[limber steppe]

But what if someone doesn't want to, it's generally not a good idea to force players to play one way

[near schooner]

3 options.

a rifle, an smg, or a shotgun.

[frail quartz]

The entire point of the system is to force players to make-do, if they want to play one way they'll have to earn it

[near schooner]

real

[frail quartz]

They can always go back and play the mission with their preferred gear once they unlock it

[near schooner]

true

[limber steppe]

Yeah, that's the premise of the progression system, you have to unlock the kit you'd like using, but I can't see people liking it's implementation in RoN

[near schooner]

its real life

i mean, more irl

they want the game more realistic i think so

theres no way a brand new SWAT officer that is 1 week onto his job should have that much powerful gear

[frail quartz]

I'd say its more for gameplay than anything else

[near schooner]

tho that is why i recommended it as a setting

because maybe some people dont like progression systems

[limber steppe]

That brand new officer most probably went through months if not years of special trainings

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I don't think realism should be apart of the argument

[near schooner]

yeah

[limber steppe]

Not to mention that our main character is meant to be commander of the team, already high in the hierarchy by the time the game starts

[near schooner]

tho progresion would be nice, ( i saw quantum watching, and the void team might be cooking.. )

[tough spire]

In Los Suenos? Doubt it. They recruit 'em right out of the prison cells.

[frail quartz]

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

[near schooner]

TRUE

i mean

the most uncorrupt of LS is the police department

FISA is the definition of betraying your country

lets be honest

[frail quartz]

Debatable, I'm pretty sure there's some messages from the therapist in the "mission complete" screen that the LSPD is pretty unpopular

[near schooner]

cuz the city is cruel

thats why, and crueler people join FISA for more power

[frail quartz]

Either way, I'm not sure you can accuse the other social workers of Los Suenos like the hospitals and fire departments of being 'corrupt'

[near schooner]

yeah. thats fair

i mean we saw afghanistanian doctors in the relapse mission

they were corrupt

[frail quartz]

Huh.mp3

[near schooner]

tho that could be a sort of disguise

[frail quartz]

Are you talking about the suspects who disguised themselves as doctors?

[near schooner]

yeah

i was, but now you already answered it

[tough spire]

I hope one of the DLCs is akin to the ArmA Laws of War expansion but we play as like EMTs and stuff who have to deal with all the mistakes people make on the LSPD.

[smoky cedar]

Yes

[near schooner]

Nexus's job. not Void's job

[limber steppe]

I'm to this day praying for a first responder dlc to ron

[near schooner]

REAL

[smoky cedar]

That would just make it Flashing Lights 2.0

And that game sucks

[near schooner]

tbh they should add dlcs where you play as diff roles

[limber steppe]

I'm not talking a half baked patrol officer simulator

[smoky cedar]

Also you already have the LAPD Officer mod and the Pistols as Primary mod

[limber steppe]

Like genuine first responder situations

[near schooner]

beat cops, bomb squads, ETC

[tough spire]

ArmA did it, coward.

[near schooner]

but make them short, 4-5 missions

[near schooner]

ArmA and RON are two different games George

[smoky cedar]

Ends of the earth, convenience store, a lethal obsession (minus the booby traps)

[limber steppe]

a lethal obsession is a search warrant

[smoky cedar]

yeah

[limber steppe]

ends of the earth too

[tough spire]

Wow you're so smart. I'm so proud of you. Thank you for definitely invalidating my desire for them to do something similar by reminding me that they are different companies. Wow.

[near schooner]

ok

[smoky cedar]

The convenience store also makes sense since it’s a robbery gone wrong

[near schooner]

bombs

[smoky cedar]

And also officers respond to search warrants

[smoky cedar]

The convenience store does not have bombs

That’s relapse and elephant

[frail quartz]

That's an arrest warrent though, Gerard Scott fled to his cabin after murdering a few police officers

[limber steppe]

fair

[smoky cedar]

Right

[tough spire]

This game would get cancelled so hard if it was promoting shooting people on simple search warrants or beat cop activities.

[limber steppe]

Anyways, my point being that it would be cool to have a DLC where you have to respond to situation without all of the tactical equipment SWAT teams carry

[tough spire]

Yesss

[kindred temple]

ah yes melee only

[smoky cedar]

And that’s called roleplay, just use tasers and pepper spray with either a polo shirt or the LAPD Officer mod

[kindred temple]

taser & bash only

[smoky cedar]

Pistols >:(

He said first responder dlc not a DLC with no gear missions

[limber steppe]

Well new content along with that would be cool as well

I've ran all of the active shooters scenarios at least 30 times

[kindred temple]

isnt there only one?

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I wouldn't really be comfortable playing normal patrol officers either

[smoky cedar]

There’s LAPD mods already that works just fine, and it’s really good

[smoky cedar]

There’s like 3 or 4, hospital, school, nightclub, one other that I forgot

[frail quartz]

I like this game because it mainly focuses on the good aspects of policing since SWAT have more proper training and engagement rules

[limber steppe]

The internet doesn't need those things to cancel ron

It has already been attempted numerous times for various reasons

[kindred temple]

but hospital and nightclub are the barricaded suspects?

[tough spire]

Only if escalation of violence was heavily penalized and/or ended your mission.

[limber steppe]

And also unrecord exists (or will exist) and I dont think I've heard anyone cancel that game yet

Or any loud attempt at doing so

[smoky cedar]

It’s still an active shooting, they didn’t barricade themselves

[frail quartz]

Yeah I never particularly saw an issue with that game, the developer isn't even from America

[kindred temple]

they turned from active shooters into barricaded suspects

[tough spire]

I've never heard of anyone trying to cancel Unrecord, mostly just "this isn't real gameplay" complaints

[limber steppe]

I'm counting ones like gas station, 23 megabytes, school, etc.

[frail quartz]

I feel like not including police brutality in your game is not denying its existence

[limber steppe]

Those types of things

[smoky cedar]

In relapse they still keep shooting everyone

[kindred temple]

23 megabytes are def a raid

[smoky cedar]

23 megabytes is a hostage situation, gas station is a robbery gone wrong

[kindred temple]

they dont?

[limber steppe]

23 megabytes is a suspected active shooting

it's explained in the brief

[frail quartz]

Some social commentary is always appriciated but if it adds nothing to the story/game then there's nothing forcing you to include stuff like that

[kindred temple]

yeah but there wasnt active shooting

[smoky cedar]

He killed his mom and then barricaded himself. It’s a hostage because he’s threatening to kill his brother then himself

[limber steppe]

All of those would have first responders coming in

[limber steppe]

There were audible shots being fired, for police and bystanders there's every reason to believe it was an active shooting

and that's what matters, even if the programmed gamemode doesnt agree

[kindred temple]

ehh whatever i still think that its a raid

[tough spire]

You uhhhh missed the part where he didn't kill his mom, it was a fake call.

[smoky cedar]

Oh yeah i keep forgetting his mom appears in another bedroom

[kindred temple]

yeah he got swatted

raid

[frail quartz]

We're talking about what responders would be sent there based on the context/knowledge at the time

[smoky cedar]

Oh yeah but why would he fight back if it was a false call 😭😭
Secondly how come his neighbors and the police heard gunshots?

[kindred temple]

1. he had cp in his room
2. prolly coming out from his game

[frail quartz]

Did it say something about his neighbors hearing it?

But yeah, the gunshots you hear at the start of the level is coming from the game he's streaming in his room

[tough spire]

I just mean that once it was clear it was a different situation you'd be backing out and holding perimeter instead.

[limber steppe]

How freaking loud is his pc

[stone bay]

why does a twitch streamer have a gang of bodyguards?

[shadow ether]

Because he didn't want the police to find out about his cp stash (and the "neighbors" downstairs didn't want them to find out about their illegal crypto farm)
And "shots fired" is his fps game he was playing at full volume, you can even hear it in the beginning of the level

[near schooner]

tbh i feel like FISA sold those women to the russians

i would of just shut off my radio and acted like nothing happend and called in medical workers, even if that would of lost me my badge

[stone bay]

either that or FISA knows one of the women being trafficked and needs information from them

[near schooner]

woopsie! accidently broke my fucking radio

[limber steppe]

Because the devs decided to make him an illegal bitcoin miner (idk how that works) AND be involved with the cp ring plot point

Tbh, I'd prefer if the level stayed how it was advertised in the teaser

No suspects, no exchanging fire

[near schooner]

thats a whole entire operation, there is no guards, they are all participating in it, they are helping it

[frail quartz]

The devlog said they're supposed to be his "friends" but they act more like hired guns

[stone bay]

this is unrealistic. everyone knows twitch streamers don't have friends.

[limber steppe]

Just a swatting level

[kindred temple]

it was for the lore

[tough spire]

Wait are we sure it's a bitcoin farm? Or is it a CP server?

[kindred temple]

it is

[limber steppe]

No it's a bitcoin farm

[stone bay]

its a BTC farm given all the GPUs in their rack

[kindred temple]

it is a bitcoin farm i meant to say

[limber steppe]

You can see performance meters slapped around every rack

[shadow ether]

The suspect AI so far appears to have no difference whatsoever between twitch streamers with a gun and hardened foreign terrorists

[kindred temple]

except weaponry

[frail quartz]

#👮ron-discussion message

[near schooner]

i guess Ninja was never friends with Dr.Lupo

[shadow ether]

Not even that, if you look at Relapse

Some of them have pistols

[tough spire]

Does it ever actually say it's a bitcoin farm is my point. I don't trust they have accurate assets for their racks 😛

[limber steppe]

I wouldnt even care if they kept him involved with the later levels, and if they kept the bitcoin mining operation

[stone bay]

maybe monero? monero is untraceable

[kindred temple]

they do absolute jack shit to me

[shadow ether]

It does in the evidence

[limber steppe]

If they had just made it a genuine false call

[near schooner]

bombastic

[tough spire]

ohhh ok.

[kindred temple]

it would be like 3 min mission

kinda boring

[stone bay]

going to the streamer house and the streamer comes out with "yeah one of my viewers did it" and then his mom offers you mini pizza bagels

[limber steppe]

And the streamer trailer description

[frail quartz]

I've been thinking about a map lately seperate from Streamer that had the same premise of an content creator/online personality having a fake swatting called to their home except they're just a normal guy and the mission is focussed more on the dangers of using swatting as a "prank"

[near schooner]

i want a map where i swat a bomb factory

like. an underground terrorist factory where the yemen forces are located

[frail quartz]

I imagined them having a father with an AR and a brother with a hunting rifle who might fire onto your squad mistaking you for intruders if you don't make yourself known

[near schooner]

and that ties up the yemen forces problem

[stone bay]

i can't think of any other "we need D platoon" situation

[frail quartz]

I imagined kiling either, even if justified, would still constitute as a civilian being killed in the points

[limber steppe]

wth is a terrorist factory

[stone bay]

i think he meant a training camp

[kindred temple]

“bomb factory” 💀

[shadow ether]

Honestly? With the way the game works, you could make a level where sometimes he's actually fighting back as fuck, and sometimes a couple of guys at most have guns and they drop them immediately, so you never know if you're going to have a fight on your hands.

[stone bay]

they were made in a bomb factory. they're bombs.

[limber steppe]

No, now I can only imagine it as a place where terrorists are magically cloned

and produced at mass

[near schooner]

terrorist factory = a factory full of terrorists ( TERRORIST FACTORY ISNT A WORD, I EXPRESSED MYSELF WRONG )

[shadow ether]

D platoon is the only swat in los suenos

[tough spire]

Dreaming of a mod pack of missions that are just... realistically consequential missions.

[limber steppe]

no, now I'm convinced it's just a place where they produce terrorists

[near schooner]

i wish to raid a bomb factory that is underground and that is full of yemen forces where i get to arrest the mf leading the whole entire operation and tie up the loose ends there with the yemen's

[near schooner]

REAL.

[stone bay]

huh, you'd think A, B, and C platoon would do something

[tough spire]

Anti-Copaganda Mission Pack now on Nexus

[shadow ether]

Tho tbh I had an idea of a mission taking place during an ongoing riot

Is there any way (or reason) to outline it to the devs?

[shadow ether]

Maybe they did way back in the past when los suenos had money to pay them

[stone bay]

a citywide riot, someone kidnapped the chief of police and you need to save him

like raiding the station

[kindred temple]

why did they cut the fast food mission?

[stone bay]

kinda like the riots at the end of gta san andreas

[shadow ether]

I feel like such a mission is WAY over LSPD pay grade

[frail quartz]

I also imagined another arrest-warrent mission that'd focus on the dangers of prejudice and stereotyping where D platoon would be sent to the home of a man who made extremely concerning posts on social media relating to Arabs in light of the recent Hand attacks who's room would be filled with racist paraphernalia and weapons

[tough spire]

Like a quarter of the missions in RoN already are

[shadow ether]

Except they are responding to calls and then find out it's deep shit

Rust belt is weird though.

[stone bay]

rust belt was a joint op with BORTAC i think, but wth is D platoon doing at the border

[near schooner]

lets be honest. the LSPD wouldnt handle the bombs inside of relapse. and all of the terrorists, the military most likely would

[shadow ether]

I have no clue why Rust Belt is in LSPD jurisdiction when it's clearly a FISA raid

[frail quartz]

I also wanna make it clear that I'm not playing off any of this stuff as being "cool" missions I just think these are some serious issues the game could benefit from touching on

[stone bay]

the military cannot be used in domestic soil

posse comitatus or something

[tough spire]

The national guard can. And would be.

[smoky cedar]

Why does SWAT even respond to meth making rings and terror attacks.. that’s what the FBI/FISA HRT and the DEA Tactical Team is for. Also, why do we go to border crossers? Let the FBI/FISA and the DHS ICE and the border patrol deal with it

[limber steppe]

I wouldn't have even realized that relapse had bombs if I didnt recognize the beeping from school

[near schooner]

FISA is 24/7 on their ass.

[shadow ether]

They will take hella time to get there
Agreed with the bomb squad, but again, there is no time

[limber steppe]

And when I was playing school, I didn't realize there were bombs

[tough spire]

[near schooner]

FISA/FBI is pretty fucking corrupt as we know, so they wouldnt possibly care

[stone bay]

sometimes other government agencies need supervision from local law enforcement agencies so they could do their thing

[limber steppe]

that's a bortac problem to handle

[smoky cedar]

Los suenos is kind of like an expanded LA, reaches out into like a lil of present day San Diego and also maybe the northern border area

[stone bay]

so maybe they threw them a bone

[shy tulip]

Federal agencies often give warrants to local police teams who know the city better

[smoky cedar]

Yes that too

[near schooner]

your too real

[shadow ether]

That's what I'm saying
They would go "we will take care of it" and proceed to not take any care of it but LSPD can't do shit

[stone bay]

riots in LS would be cool af

[limber steppe]

guys hear me out

TOC DLC, thoughts???

[smoky cedar]

Nexus mods said hello

[limber steppe]

the only thing you do is say "copy that, proceed with mission"

[shadow ether]

What about TOC DLC?

[near schooner]

not a swat job

[limber steppe]

for the length of the game

[tough spire]

Ides of March would never go down the way it does in game. Sinuous Trail same. Rust Belt no way. Carriers of the Vine no way. Relapse no way. Hide and Seek no way.

[stone bay]

femboy TOC voice mod goes hard

[shadow ether]

Is a swat job if there's an active shooting