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[inland wolf]

out of like 3000 swat, only 8 were women

or something like that

sorry 8/1704

[stone bay]

I mean, female SWAT never came into my mind. Even though other shooters have women in it. What you think?

[inland wolf]

i think they shouldnt be in game

[frail quartz]

Even if female SWAT officers didn't exist, I think we should value player representation over 'realism' anytime of the day

[humble mauve]

they've already been confirmed to be coming multiple times

[frail quartz]

I know, I'm just kinda tired of people still arguing about it

[craggy yew]

If they can come in clutch like the normal ai they earned a spot on my team

[upbeat wadi]

you wanna know what unreasonable, comical luck looks like?

well i finished relapse on my first try and I didn't even know there was gonna be bombs

randomly noticed the second one pretty deep into the level, went OH SHIT and started to defuse it, and right as i was done TOC goes "the bomb timer is running out", so i ran back to the first wing frantically and got really lucky with spotting the first one before it blew up. I'm pretty sure i defused it like 5 seconds before it happened

[stone bay]

Why so? Wouldnt it ruin the immersion? Not to sound sexist though.

[upbeat wadi]

it wouldn't even be in the top 5 most blatantly unrealistic things about this game tbh

let's start with the fact that 93% of the missions are situations a city police swat team would never ever be sent to

[stone bay]

What are you talking about?

[upbeat wadi]

anything involving hostages, bombs, terrorism, paramilitaries or border control would be handled by different, more specialized agencies (and better funded, trained and equipped)

[prime wing]

LSPD is not handling a blown out terror attack with just a shit underfunded swat team composed of 5 officers.

[stone bay]

Isn't SWAT teams used as the domestic Seal team six?

[stone bay]

For real though, what if those SWAT teams face off against R6 Siege operators.

[upbeat wadi]

no, they're used as cops with bigger guns that back up regular officers and detectives on things like serving high risk warrants

the 213 mission is about as serious a situation as real life swat teams normally respond to

[stone bay]

There's nothing wrong if you like Siege, but I wouldn't want SWAT to turn into that lol. As said earlier, both are two seperate games.

[stone bay]

SWAT teams are used to arrest serial killers, bank robberers and store robbers though, don't you think?

[upbeat wadi]

even most organized crime is the FBI's turf, and they have their own tactical teams

[upbeat wadi]

the first two are usually handled by the FBI (and their own tac teams), the latter yeah, the gas station mission is something swat would be called to

[stone bay]

I mean, SWAT has an impeccably low casualty rate because they're highly trained.

[upbeat wadi]

much better trained than your average beat cop, sure. probably nowhere near as highly trained as HRT members, for example

[humble mauve]

most of the operations that would be handled by federal teams (i;e Coyote, Port and probably a few I'm forgetting) are explained as being large scale operations where you are called to assist

so they are being done by those teams, but your little section is just part of a big takedown

[upbeat wadi]

rust belt is particularly absurd, LSPD doesnt even have jurisdiction there

[prime wing]

but its cool

[upbeat wadi]

yeah, my favorite mission

glad someone on the dev team really liked the hit film sicario as much as i did

it did feel a little too easy though, you'd expect a cartel tunnel to be a complete and utter death trap

they know the area and you dont, also narrow spaces are death traps for any assaulting force

[prime wing]

what I still wonder is, in what scenario would a swat team, potentially crossing the border into Mexico killing Mexican nationals during an american operation, could get away with what LSPD just did 🤣

Dont know how far the rust belt tunnels go into the border, but its pretty far enough that we are past it.

[stone bay]

There is a reason SWAT teams have little fatality rates right?

[mossy hatch]

If its sicario logic all you need is 1 fisa agent on your team

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-gif-21712801

[upbeat wadi]

it'd have to be the other way around actually

one of your team along with a fisa crew

[unkempt tapir]

That could have been a really cool mechanic for that mission. Like there was a line you wouldn’t be able to shoot past or something

[humble mauve]

have it be like the subway map in SWAT 4 TSS where if they run onto the tracks you can't catch them, with the tracks being them running into mexico

[upbeat wadi]

vietnam war type ROE

[mossy hatch]

isnt fisa basically FBI ingame? in the movie it was just the 2 fbi agents and they only needed one, I'm not saying that's realistic though.

[unkempt tapir]

Exactly

[prime wing]

fbi ye

[upbeat wadi]

I think emily blunt was city police swat not fbi actually

[stone bay]

Is SWAT 4 the most realistic SWAT game?

[prime wing]

nah blunts was actually fbi

[upbeat wadi]

even less realistic than ready or not tbh

[unkempt tapir]

Nah siege is

[upbeat wadi]

oh yeah right i misremembered

[prime wing]

I just dont know if she had experience on the field

[upbeat wadi]

yeah, that gig in the intro wasn't her first, they mention that. however her role was never to actually help them in the tactical sense, it was to be there so they could operate on US soil thanks to a loophole

shit i should have spoilered that, is there a way to do it when editing a message

[prime wing]

I m shocked with how badly they butchered the sequel

[stone bay]

What is the average SWAT mission like? Is it whenever there is a highly armed criminal or few?

[prime wing]

Movie was a snooze fest

[mossy hatch]

I dont even remember the sequel

[prime wing]

in the us? crackheads

[upbeat wadi]

i was surprised that it wasnt a complete dumpster fire

[prime wing]

or warrants

[upbeat wadi]

the first one was a masterpiece so obviously it was nowhere close to as good, but it was eh, serviceable

[prime wing]

Villaneueve did his thing

then dipped

[stone bay]

I thought the sequel is alright, judging by reactions

[upbeat wadi]

the second one was directed by an italian guy who also did suburra, a real good italian mob flick

apparently he also made a movie about italian riot cops and their war with the italian football hooligans, and it was criticized for being a little too fascist

having seen sicario 2 i can believe it

[stone bay]

SWAT operators are cops who can have weapons that the average cop isn't allowed to have right? Such as assautlt rifles.

What am I doing wrong on Rust Belt and why can I only get a B

[upbeat wadi]

regular cops get those too in certain situations

it's more about tactics and training

most normal cops in the US wouldn't be able to run 5 km, or to do 30 pushups. swat guys would consider that a relaxing pastime

[stone bay]

30 pushups is nothing my boy

[stone bay]

30 pushups all the way?

Yes

[upbeat wadi]

im really happy that you can do that easy peasy, but i was talking about US cops, not your undoubtedly shredded self

[grim smelt]

Hey guys may I ask which mod that gives max suspects works? Most of them aren’t updated

[stone bay]

US Cops aren't actually all that unhealthy or unathletic

[stone bay]

In Game Menu

How long it takes for you to clear a mission? It takes 30 minutes for me actually.

[upbeat wadi]

depends on the force

usually they kind of are

[upbeat wadi]

depends on the mission, took me literally almost an hour to do relapse just now

[stone bay]

holy

I can A+ most in 25 minutes max.

[upbeat wadi]

damn 30 pushups AND this? we got a real badass over here, everybody!

[stone bay]

im really not trying to flex i swear

im just like

surprised almost

[upbeat wadi]

most of that hour was running around lost and unsure if id cleared everything

[stone bay]

Just use the Search and Secure Command...

[upbeat wadi]

it didnt work right in half the rooms

also that was my first run, so

[stone bay]

Oh thats true

Don't SWAT do drug raids too

[stone bay]

Yes

[upbeat wadi]

depends. if it's some small time outfit, then yeah. if it's big enough to be investigated by the FBI, then no

[stone bay]

What if it was a drug deal with several gangbangers selling drugs?

[upbeat wadi]

then yeah, probably a local PD op meaning local PD swat

[stone bay]

Narcotics Task Force would probably handle that

If the dept has that

I live in a decently populated city, we have one but that's because we're a major port.

[upbeat wadi]

that's the detectives isn't it? they'd be the ones building the case against those guys, but when it was time to round em up and arrest them and search the premises, it'd be swat doing that with the detectives coming in after the place is cleared and secure

[stone bay]

Not necessarily, Task Force combines both operatives and investigators. We're understaffed and overfunded lol

[upbeat wadi]

oh, like those dudes in the hit tv series the shield

[stone bay]

The Shield?

what is that on lol

[upbeat wadi]

yeah, if you havent seen it i heavily recommend it

[foggy trench]

why is the 556 recoil so weird? almost all 556 ARs have insane kick on auto even with a grip

[stone bay]

Get the Daniel Defense MK18 Mod, superb gun

[stone bay]

Yeah basically that. Cops are more for mundane street issues like if property damage, jaywalking, overspeeding or grand theft auto. But if there are armed gunmen taking people hostage, with guns like pistols, shotguns, rifles etc, that's where SWAT comes in. Right?

[upbeat wadi]

basically a show about a squad like that in a precinct in a madeup LA neighborhood that seems to be somewhere around the point where south central LA, east LA and downtown converge

[foggy trench]

it's not balancing bc the much bigger .300 seems to have less spread and vertical recoil

[foggy trench]

i play modless

[stone bay]

That's fair.

I'd try to keep to 3 round bursts then.

[foggy trench]

semi is totally playable, auto is more of a commodity

[stone bay]

Right

[upbeat wadi]

full auto is literally never needed

[foggy trench]

still feels weird bc 556 is very controllable irl

[foggy trench]

not for ARs no

[stone bay]

Back then semi autos was what the SWAT teams were allowed, from what I research.

[stone bay]

I like The Rookie because its funny and unrealistic and dramatic lol

[upbeat wadi]

not for anything

[upbeat wadi]

the shield isn't exactly a documentary but rather grounded

the main theme is corruption

[foggy trench]

you literally just lose reaction time by not using auto on the MP5, P90, 45 UMP, etc

[upbeat wadi]

basically that squad is corrupt as SHIT

[stone bay]

Oo ugly

Eek

I'd probably get mad watching it

Do you have your SMGs at semi auto?

[upbeat wadi]

i run an mp9 and so far ive been doing just fine click click clicking at the bad guys

[foggy trench]

i think they still TECHNICALLY aren't allowed to auto mag dump anything on any occasion

[stone bay]

They can do anything necessary to eliminate a threat and protect themselves + teammates

[foggy trench]

to be fair the MP9 RPM is so insane you will just flatline every enemy

[upbeat wadi]

i watched a couple videos where this actual real life swat team commander plays ready or not and comments, he says there has never been a time he or anyone on his team fired in full auto so far but he'd like that option to be there anyway

[stone bay]

1897 remington shotguns allowed?

[upbeat wadi]

full auto is kinda antiquated as a concept, the m16 hasnt had that since like the m16a3

[foggy trench]

irl in warfare or urban situations auto just exists for suppressing fire really

[upbeat wadi]

or the m4 either

[stone bay]

Which police can also do

[upbeat wadi]

burst fire is much more practical

[foggy trench]

body armor is forgiving in the game bc irl like the third shot will probably hit somewhere other than the torso anyway

[foggy trench]

they can but they usually don't, again the point is that full auto for direct hits is basically not a thing

[torpid dirge]

no way the future updates are only dlc.... watch it cost like 30$ as well

[upbeat wadi]

yep

[unkempt tapir]

Not really, you run outta ammo to quickly, and your not very accurate. No one’s really scared of bullets spraying around your position. But when one lands right next to you, yeah… your scared

[foggy trench]

i think they have trauma of that one because of when the terminator went silly mode on a certain PD

[stone bay]

You will never catch me on semi auto on the second floor of neon night club

[bright valley]

i like full auto versus fast moving targets, but more often i just use semi 'cause i'm trying to conserve ammo

[stone bay]

I find that I can track moving targets pretty easily on 1300 DPS

[upbeat wadi]

there arent any targets moving fast enough to warrant that in this game tbh

[stone bay]

Bruh. In all seriousness though, it does show that its highly efficient

[foggy trench]

neon and mindjot are much easier with auto SMGs because you can comfortably land a few on armored enemies and stop to have them surrendered and the time to decide if they will do so or not

[upbeat wadi]

neon? surrendered?

[stone bay]

I just put 3 in their vest

Yeah I can usually get about 6 arrests on Neon without shooting them

[upbeat wadi]

in my only run so far no one even considered that

[foggy trench]

on my experience carriers was much harder for getting enemies surrendered than neon

[stone bay]

You have to it’s your ROE lol

[upbeat wadi]

and on that one about half surrendered

[foggy trench]

gassing and flashing neon is also easier

[upbeat wadi]

weird

[stone bay]

Use flashbangs stingers and gas

[upbeat wadi]

gas is OP

[stone bay]

Flashbangs are my go to

[upbeat wadi]

the only way i could finally beat dolls

[upbeat wadi]

same, but i admit gas is more effective

i just dont like it

[foggy trench]

only map where gas isn't broken is the warehouse

so open the enemies won't get caught in it half the time

only map i still haven't S'ed

[stone bay]

Anyone barely use flashbangs. I only used it once, because there were like 4 suspects there

Yeah, used to use it a ton pre release. Cant find a map other than the post office to use it on

Flashbangs are amazing for clearing rooms you don’t want to peak, cross, or pie

[upbeat wadi]

anything that's mostly small rooms really

[foggy trench]

flashbang is what you get if you prefer the mask over the gas mask

[upbeat wadi]

if you do want to as well

[stone bay]

I use the flash goggles hahahaha

[foggy trench]

the ballistic mask is cool but not worth it imo

[stone bay]

Fr

[foggy trench]

it's so rare for the enemies to actually hit your face

[stone bay]

And it only protects against small calibers

[upbeat wadi]

the gas mask makes the picture look so lame

[foggy trench]

i think i got one on the face like three times

[upbeat wadi]

cool sound effects though

[stone bay]

I don’t like how muffled the gas masks makes me

[foggy trench]

the mask also muffles you so

[upbeat wadi]

sounds pretty cool

sometimes the sound mixing is obviously bugged out though

[foggy trench]

it actually makes it harder for enemies and civs to surrender because of the muffle

[stone bay]

Officers have cited safety as the main reason for use of SWAT teams, stating that SWAT units would frequently be called if there were a possibility a suspect might be armed. For instance, in 2006, only two police officers were killed in the arrest of 2 million drug suspects, a low casualty rate possibly stemming from the military equipment and tactics used in the raids.

What you think?

[upbeat wadi]

e.g. fire escape on sins, it sounds like it's coming from inside the damn building it's so muffled

[foggy trench]

but it's not much noticible

[upbeat wadi]

is that a proven fact

[foggy trench]

not even joking when i say the biggest downside of the mask is how ugly the default one is

[bright valley]

The ballistic mask in-game doesn't specifically add some formerly missing face protection, it just improves the overall protection of your head.

[foggy trench]

swat 99 and marine masks are awesome though

red glasses for hunk cosplay

[real gorge]

people disconnecting from friend multiplayer servers is a known bug?

[foggy trench]

yeah the frontal plate of your helmet is very forgiving actually

a shot gotta land on your jaw from below or your nose to count, forehead usually counts as a helmet ricochet/plate destroyed

[bright valley]

You just have a single "head" hitbox, doesn't account for face vs helmet.

[foggy trench]

head isn't divided by hitboxes?

oh that's actually weird

[stone bay]

If its known that only like one or two suspects are armed, a SWAT team is called immediately?

[foggy trench]

maybe that's why point blank 9mm to the eye can just get an enemy unconscious sometimes

[bright valley]

Oh that's a different thing entirely.

No suspects have functional head protection, not even the helmeted Mindjot dudes.

Something just happened with the way headshot damage is calculated recently so a lot of headshots are putting suspects below the incapping health threshold without killing them entirely.

[foggy trench]

i think it depends more on the ambient
if the suspects are barricated with hostages the team is automatically called

[foggy trench]

i expected the hitbox system to be more complex since killing enemies/yourself or not is a big mechanic in gameplay

[bright valley]

I dunno, though I think VOID's done some kinda misguided realism-first design decisions in the past and present, I think the ability for AI enemies to one-shot the player has always kind of been a universal no-no in these sorts of games.

[stone bay]

One shotting can ruin the fun honestly

[foggy trench]

it's definitely the worst core aspect of any milsim shooter

im just mentioning because the head being a single thing makes the mask kind of really useless

[stone bay]

What about armor?

[foggy trench]

armor is most definitely not

[stone bay]

Humans don't automatically die when they get shot.

[prime wing]

fast pull out the ballistics spreadsheet

[foggy trench]

headshots are rare because enemies will almost aways dump your torso

[prime wing]

lmao

[bright valley]

Not entirely. It basically uparmors your head.

[foggy trench]

i literally cannot play without heavy full steel no matter what kit im running

might be a skill issue but 80% of my runs would have been over if i wasn't using it

[bright valley]

you make me feel like a crazy ass for running light ceramic in co-op duos

[foggy trench]

kind of useless because isn't useless but not even close to being as useful as any other face gear

[foggy trench]

maybe im just not as careful, played as a bullet sponge for so long it's just how i know the game now

[bright valley]

honestly unless i'm going for something in particular i just wear the gasmask 'cause i think it looks neat.

[foggy trench]

also, being a tank makes every death feel much more like your fault than the game being unfair

which is great for milsims

[bright valley]

my friend runs heavy ceramic and the ballistic mask

[foggy trench]

even going lethal gas is still aways useful plus your team will probably have gas anyway
gas mask is aways the way to go, unless it's the one dark map that need NVGs

[stone bay]

Do you use lockpick always?

[foggy trench]

when im not with the ram i prefer just kicking

pick just if i hear an enemy behind the door

[stone bay]

Always use pick. I'm rather minimalistic.

[bright valley]

i've been lockpicking a lot more in an experimental attempt to minimize suspect stress.

[foggy trench]

another reason why gas is so good

being far it doesn't matter how they are acting

[bright valley]

sometimes bust out the c2 if there's a suspect lingering directly behind the door though lol

[crude prism]

green gasmask + green 99' top and 99' vest for the DRIP

[bright valley]

green gasmask?

is that a supporter thing?

[foggy trench]

there isn't a supporter gas mask

i think

[bright valley]

naw this continues to be my getup: #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[crude prism]

the colored tops really are the drip fr

[foggy trench]

i run black light plate kosoku with the marine mask and the red cover shades

[bright valley]

i think my friend does some sort of green uniform with the heavy tan lspd armor

don't have a screenshot of that

[crude prism]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

greenmask

shame that the HRT heavy vest is gone

[foggy trench]

are those chemlights from a mod?

[crude prism]

looks better without the crotch pad on the default one

[crude prism]

supporter belt

[foggy trench]

oh

[bright valley]

bougie belt

[foggy trench]

shame that most tattoos suck

looks like judge searched "cool windows wallpapers" and asked someone to put it in his arm

[prime wing]

i dont know if most tattoos are visible in first person

like, can i make out what they are

[crude prism]

when snow camo and bump helm, need to do HECU dressup

[foggy trench]

they are but depending on gloves and sleeves they might get covered

the way they are positioned also doesn't help

[bright valley]

playing around with the customization right now and there's a lot stuff with clipping issues x_x

[crude prism]

I like Sins and Brisa having the hardest tats, Neon's is great too

[foggy trench]

carriers is ok but i mostly use it to show off cuz it's a though S run

[crude prism]

meanwhile all these nerds just use unlocker mods instead of actually unlocking the things

i probably gotta go for dev watch now that my game actually runs

[foggy trench]

lol what is the point of playing with ppl if you use a unlocker

not even grinding for anything just doing shit because whatever

[crude prism]

play to play, some people don't wanna bother unlocking lmao

[foggy trench]

yeah but it's cosmetic

whole point is having the fun of showing you got that level done

games force boring grinds so much that ppl stop caring about fun grinds like the clothes

[crude prism]

yeah it doesn't take long at all to unlock stuff

but the game was kinda aids for a while before they nerfed the AI and such

1.0 was waaaaaaaaay too hard for the average person based on all the whining

[foggy trench]

i got my S stuff on one go with my guys that i know many ppl don't find good randoms

[crude prism]

not until the most recent hotfix has my game ran steady at more than like 30-40fps

[earnest phoenix]

the postal one is pretty cool too

[stone bay]

Does your blue/red team split up?

[jaunty jacinth]

I just did the first mission and I got everything but I still got an A+, what am I missing

[earnest phoenix]

you need to arrest every suspect and civ alive/not incapacitated, secure all guns, report all soft objectives and not have any officers get killed for S

[jaunty jacinth]

oh so the suspects cant even get injured?

[earnest phoenix]

they can but they cant be incapacitated

[jaunty jacinth]

got it

[grim smelt]

How do u get max suspects using this mod?

[inner moth]

Someone pls convince devs to let us carry wounded officers to safetu

[grim smelt]

Someone pls help me with this 🙏

[hardy plinth]

It wasn't necessarily because it was too hard but more because it felt unfair

[crude prism]

yeh

[upbeat wadi]

should i go nvg + ir laser for my first run on hide and seek?

and if you have any hide and seek advice in general it'd be welcome

besides booking a therapy session in advance, already done

[stable kernel]

Max suspects is a different mod. I think he meant max players

[grim smelt]

Which mod then is updated for the current ron? Cos I see people playing with mods that have lots of suspects in it

[hardy plinth]

Even now the game still feels unfair at times

[stable kernel]

Search for max suspects, sort by updated date

[hardy plinth]

The AI can be incredibly stupid and oblivious to your presence but at other times they have absolute hawk eyes

[static wigeon]

Ai overhaul mod really helps me

[hardy plinth]

Like on Valley of the Dolls when you're on the top floor, the top of your head appears through the window for a guy down at the stage area when his back is turned towards you

and starts hailing you with lead

other times you can just stand right next to an enemy while they're taking cover and they don't notice you at all

It just feel like distance and obscurity is not a factor for detection

[stone bay]

How careful are you at missions?

[hardy plinth]

Depends on how I'm feeling and what I'm running

but I often see it that enemies who have their backs towards me suddenly turn around in shock even though I'm in a different room and just walking

[stone bay]

There’s one suspect who’s had his back against me. I had like the element of surprise and thought I can take him down. Nope, even pumping a couple bullets, he still took me down

[hardy plinth]

I mean I get it they turn around now and then

But these guys spot me while they could not even possibly hear or see me

[grim smelt]

Funny thing is all r last updated before 1.0

The most updated one is called normal AI and max suspects 1.0 but it doesn’t seem to work. I’m still facing regular number of suspects

[crude prism]

haha, their vision cones are deceptively large, 180 degress when unalerted and 320 when alerted

[hardy plinth]

320??????????

Pigeon fov

[static wigeon]

I can’t play with the vanilla ai tbh.

Also -2000 on 23 Megabytes helllll yeahhhhhhhh

wooooooo

[upbeat wadi]

alright my luck has finally run out, got unceremoniously wallbanged on hide and seek

that map is borderline unfair tbh, so far what ive seen of it is swathes of open country with like 5 entries each

really not a 5 man job, more like 55

[static wigeon]

Damn

What map you playing?

[upbeat wadi]

hide and seek

im serious, if a 5 man crew cleared that shit in real life, they'd be immediately invited to join the navy seals

[static wigeon]

I don’t even touch that mission tbh in normal play.

[upbeat wadi]

realistically it'd take dozens if not hundreds of operatives, or one batman

[static wigeon]

I’d say an army

[upbeat wadi]

well that's a little overkill, there's only like 30 bad guys around

[static wigeon]

and tanks too and aerial bombings

And literally burn every single body to crisp

[upbeat wadi]

if it was a port in like lebanon or syria maybe

doubt americans would roll like they do abroad on their home turf

[static wigeon]

Also that’s the one mission I play with the zombie or not mod

[upbeat wadi]

ill give it a few more tries

[static wigeon]

And I die to them pretty quick

[upbeat wadi]

we did drop or arrest like 15 bad guys before i got got, cant have beenTHAT many more of them left

[static wigeon]

They swarmed and eat me

and my team

[upbeat wadi]

so it's doable, just not that time

[static wigeon]

I tried the mission for an hour and I’m like you know what f this

[upbeat wadi]

was it before or after hotfix 3?

[static wigeon]

Big ass swarms

I played that mission with zombie or not

[upbeat wadi]

it made the game a lot more manageable in my opinion, and everyone else seems to agree

[static wigeon]

so all the npc in the map became tough zombies

So it didn’t feel like 30 enemies

more like 100s that only works with headshots

[wide sphinx]

what is zombie or not?

[static wigeon]

It’s a mod that turns npcs in all maps into zombies

[wide sphinx]

oh gotcha. I just turned my computer back on for the first time in like 9 months, I feel like I've missed a lot with this game ngl

[balmy reef]

how are people getting shit like 9bangs and suspect weapons post 1.0? i thought all the loadout unlockers were adam update only

[static wigeon]

Sniper or not mod

that one is updated for suspect weapons

the slr47 to AKM one sadly isn’t updated and is now locked

I’m hoping that mod gets updated

[balmy reef]

dope. what about extra slots?

[static wigeon]

That one should work

I’m using it with my current game

[balmy reef]

dope asf. damn surprised i never heard of these mods

[static wigeon]

Some searching on nexus tbh

I really want the wooden AKM to be updated

Since I don’t like the art designed space finish on the AKM I’m having atm

[tawny scroll]

•—• 99999 slots gang

[static wigeon]

Not me I keep it realistic for the vest I’m using

[safe cliff]

lame

real badass "police officers" use 200 mags and throwable whatever tf

[true panther]

What are the conditions for a suspect surrendering after being shot but not incapacitated or killed? Seems entirely random to me, some suspects will surrender almost immediately after getting shot, the majority seem determined to fight if they're already shooting.

[urban cloud]

tbh sometimes i just go to gas station, use a shotgun and blow people's head off for fun

am i the only one

[stone bay]

For me, sometimes suspects just straight up surrender when the SWAT are there for me lol

[alpine kindle]

It is proximity based so once they are disarmed you have to get close enough. Also look at the traits of your officers. Some add bonuses to surrender upon yells - shot with none lethal weapons - number of officers.

[earnest phoenix]

can suspects actually do stuff showcased in #dev-updates ive never seen them.once

[stone stump]

that should be the least of your concerns when it comes to features that don't seem to work

[earnest phoenix]

yeah but it looks cool

[stone stump]

pretty sure all of the stuff shown there actually works, you just don't see them in person (because that's the point, they're trying to flank you)

[earnest phoenix]

ok that makes sense

[fiery flame]

what map has the most armored enemies

[crystal sierra]

Does anyone tested ever if you report suspect as DOA, and after cuffing he stands up, does he counts as dead in the end of the mission or alive?

[hasty oak]

hospital i think

or club

[tacit gull]

Elephant has enemies with the "most" armor

[upbeat wadi]

not ides?

[hasty oak]

i havent even played elephant yet

[gaunt turtle]

when you do show no mercy cause you aren't punished for executing the suspects

that's what i did

[hasty oak]

toc didnt complain?

[fiery flame]

spent my whole morning making a build for my team and testing it

[upbeat wadi]

the twist there is there's uh not VERY MANY enemies on that one

i think it's the only case where the number they say in the briefing is actually roughly accurate

[wispy bramble]

game aint loading
i cant create a lobby

[foggy zinc]

at what point do you "stop loading"? can you just not load to the main menu, can you not load into any activity (commander, practice, training, etc), what's wrong?

[wispy bramble]

i cant create a lobby/join a lobby also in singleplayer

it freezes

at loading screen

i have mods but they cant be causing this

[bitter mason]

What mods

[wispy bramble]

gun reskins, ingame menu ,no crack for ai, gunfighter

[main anvil]

If it's texture mods it will

[wispy bramble]

it didnt cause anything before

[main anvil]

Are you on steam?

[wispy bramble]

yeah

[main anvil]

Verify Integrity

Of game files

[wispy bramble]

i did like 2 times

[main anvil]

Nothing?

[wispy bramble]

it said glock something missing

[main anvil]

uhh wait

I got an idea

Put out all of the custom paks and start the game again

if it still doesn't work reinstall the game

[wispy bramble]

good idea

[main anvil]

Yeah, thanks

[wispy bramble]

thank u sir have a nice day

it worked

[main anvil]

You're welcome, you too

[upbeat wadi]

no crack is broken by the last two hotfixes anyway btw

[wispy bramble]

ok thx

[upbeat wadi]

and honestly not even needed either

enemy ai is on meth at most now, no crack anymore

[foggy zinc]

has been updated from what i see on nexus

[wispy bramble]

I did

Spider

Yw

[hardy plinth]

Is there any point at all to using pump-action shotguns other than the cool factor?

[stone bay]

guys how to suggest i got idea for achievement its called Good job, FISA and you get it by being killed or killing fisa agent adams in greased palms mission while wearing the fisa vest

[tacit gull]

No

[foggy zinc]

he's usually locked up in the FISA office near the main warehouse, and pretty close to spawn. You can breach in basically a straight line by going through the bathroom area in the opening building (literally in front of you when you spawn), then reaching the warehouse area. You'll need to move and shoot a bit since guys up top near the upper office stairs will shoot you, on top of people outside and in the warehouse building

[weak mist]

Where in the briefing do I see if the suspects are lightly/heavily armored etc

Or is it only on some missions?

[bitter mason]

a good reason why a proper campaign mode should've had weapons unlock through the course of the game 🤷‍♂️
especially since so many people are obsessed with using the best "Meta" guns

[tacit gull]

I disagree, i would have much rather had the old loadout points system from the old alphas

With higher quality or exotic weapons requiring a lot more of the LSPD's budget to use

[bitter mason]

idk what that was like
but fair
I think it coulda been good to have equipment unlock through progression of the campaign, but everything unlocked for a freeplay mode

[tacit gull]

I think locking stuff that isn't purely cosmetic behind campaign progression is a bit arbitrary.
In the old alphas not only did you have an actual weight sytem outside of armor type, but you had a points system that limited what equipment you could take, how you customised it (maybe depending on the mission? Unsure)

[vestal mauve]

Locking weapons behind something in a pve single player game would be asinine

The variety of weapons just lets you experiment and that's ok

[tacit gull]

I don't agree with that either, just because the game is "PVE single player" doesn't mean it wouldn't be cool to have your efforts acknowledged.
A perfect example of a weapon unlock that i think would make sense is the M14 in that display case to go with the 90's gear

Either that or as a weapon skin for a marksman rifle in the future

[vestal mauve]

Most weapons are functionally identical within their own type (carbines, SMGS etc)
There's nothing less inspiring to have to unlock nearly identical weapons.
Beating the game under difficult circumstances should give the M14 though that I can agree with but even then it's a functionally unwieldy weapon

[crude prism]

cool > needing to be the most functional cqc appropriate firearm

[foggy zinc]

you'll never have info like that afaik, if you open your tablet and check the mission briefing, you can read up on the suspects; make your loadout choices based on that

no way its MMMM

[tacit gull]

It's drip or drown out here in los suenos

[vestal mauve]

The point of the briefings is that you're acting on incomplete information much like a real SWAT team would

[silk yoke]

ye

I know everybody's tossing around hot takes about streamer, but I was genuinely interested when I kicked down door #1 and found the server room

of course that's like a one-time experience. But it was cool

[bitter mason]

I honestly think theres a lot missing from the briefings, it would be nice for it to speculate if a suspect is heavily armed or not, especially when theres security footage and whitness reports. Another thing is actually mentioned the maps you're provided. it never mentions how they could possibly be outdated so if someone just takes them at face value they will be very confused

also dealer is missing a map

[tacit gull]

I honestly can't even tell if that's intentional or someone just forgot to put it in

[vestal mauve]

Didn't SWAT 4 have a mission which map was written on a cocktail napkin?

[tacit gull]

The A-Bomb, yes
Rust Belt has essentially the same thing

[bitter mason]

It just feels like they forgot to, they never mention the maps in briefings and they never say they dont have one. plus considering there were two detectives in the building, you think there'd be some info about its layout

[tacit gull]

Yeah, considering what i just said about rust belt it seems ridiculous that we would have 0 info on the layout

[craggy yew]

Like the Vietnam rat tunnels

[lime wigeon]

Baclavas when

[shy tulip]

[craggy yew]

Do you think the ghosts of the suspects haunt d platoon

[crude prism]

Judge would JUMP at the opportunity to kill again

[foggy zinc]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3150

[glacial sparrow]

hey rizzlers

whos trynna get lit in ohio heh.

[prime wing]

Judge “never dead enough” Beaumont

[prime wing]

Leave

[glacial sparrow]

my rizz eceeds yours heh

[vestal mauve]

Your rizz exceeds your gyatt

[summer copper]

question guys, when i do the search and secure command and they dont move, does that mean that everything on the map is searched and secure

[kindred temple]

look to your bottom right if it says “Move to” then that means there’s still evidence left

[summer copper]

it doesnt say that, but im still only soft complete. what are the soft objectives on ends of the earth?

[kindred temple]

report bags of money

and the 3d printer

[summer copper]

thank you

[umbral oar]

judge is collecting souls

[summer copper]

are the money bags outside of the house

[kindred temple]

they’re inside

second floor

the room with pc

[summer copper]

thank you, got it

thats 5

[kindred temple]

holy fuck swat ai with the shield are so shit

instead of going just forward they start checking corners

[umbral oar]

would you rather they get backshots

but yeah thats weird

[crude prism]

ayo

[kindred temple]

my guy just got headshotted because of that (im going for The Hermit achievement)

[stiff token]

They should the ALICE rig system in the game

[static wigeon]

highly agree

i love me a 90s setup

[summer copper]

my ai team always gets hostages killed man

[autumn willow]

Will the DLCs be money? I know some are but it’s just a question

[junior river]

if a bot get killed I can never play with him again?
and how do I get a bot out of thereapy? if theres a way

[stable kernel]

Updates are free, DLC costs money unless you already bought the supporter edition in which case you get them free.

[stable kernel]

Killed swat never come back, but you might get someone else with the same trait. Swat in therapy need to stay in therapy untill the turn count goes to zero (visible next to their picture)

[junior river]

understood

its kinda bad that geting off killed bots increases stress

dont make sense to me

[tawny ravine]

you can alt f4 to get back to the last save state, just before the mission. its a bit scummy, but it works

[lean laurel]

Does anyone else think Carlos the 911 caller from Ides of March sounds like Todd from BoJack Horseman?

[summer copper]

it doesn't make sense that people teammates dying in front of them causes them stress? am i reading it wrong?

[tawny ravine]

wasn't that only the first one?

[tacit gull]

You only get the first DLC as a supporter, yes

[foggy zinc]

hello officers

[static wigeon]

heys

[silk junco]

heya

[fiery flame]

just met a suspect with a bulletproof t-shirt

he stoped 7 556 rounds

and killed me

[static wigeon]

[foggy zinc]

the backpack armour is far stronger

just wait

[fiery flame]

he did not have a backpack on, it was just a guy on meth who had a bulletproof tshirt

backpack bout to stop 20mm round

[jaunty jacinth]

is there a reason the search and secure command isnt working

ill spam the command and the swat js stay still

[static wigeon]

Never expected random swat guys to carry all the bodies lol

[junior river]

no, what I meant was that we need to take out a killed bot out of the team, in my opinion I just think they should get take out automaticaly when they die

[crude prism]

They do (?)

[fiery flame]

whats the lowest recoiling assualt rifle

[proven hazel]

I've found the ARN180 or the SR16

FN90 is low on recoil too

[fiery flame]

thank u sir

[civic granite]

uh what does this update add

[uneven nacelle]

question. im trying to get the hermit achievement but i accidentally fired an officer, did i just ruin my progress?

[summer copper]

they do

they vanish from the roster and you have to hire a knew one

[junior river]

not what happened in my game

🤔

[summer copper]

strange, they were probably incapacitated instead of KIA then, in which case are just out of action until you complete 3 missions

[sharp fox]

can i fire all of my officers in commander mode for the funny

or can i not do that

[glass ether]

Yeah but there gonna give you 4 random officers anyways

[foggy zinc]

G36, F90, ARWC F90 is the best imo

[summer copper]

ides of march was such a pain

[foggy zinc]

o wow

last time i saw u it said 2/18

[summer copper]

yeahh lol ive been grinding ngl

[alpine kindle]

they will only go to known evidence and civs to secure. as far as i can tell by the behaviour

[summer copper]

thank you, i kinda guessed so, because they seem to check every unchecked spot like under beds and secure every piece of evidence

[uneven nacelle]

can someone answer me?

[summer copper]

i did eventually find out it was just a thingy that i missed

[shy tulip]

I don't think you can fire them.

[uneven nacelle]

uh...wdym theres literally an option to fire them when you open ur tablet

[shy tulip]

As in you cannot fire them and get the achievement.

They can't die, quit, or get fired

[uneven nacelle]

oh ok, mb

thanks

[static wigeon]

Another -2000 points wooooo

[summer copper]

-2000? did you bomb the fuckin police HQ????

[tardy light]

When playing the mission elephant i end up missing 2 of my squad mates, even with the fall in theyre still nowhere to be found

And they randomly appeared lmao

[summer copper]

they can sometimes get stuck in classrooms, you have to go and find them usually or they just take a stupid path to come back

[halcyon oar]

To get the hanged man achievement do I need to limit the ai to a taser and flashes too?

[tardy light]

Just got blown to pieces

Whats the timer on those bombs

[shy tulip]

Not that long

[balmy sentinel]

I think its 10 minutes

[hardy plinth]

omg I can't find the last gun on my s-rank run

on twisted nerve

[tardy light]

Hit the search and secure

[hardy plinth]

but I'm doing multiplayer

[tardy light]

Goodluck walking around the map

ARe there any hidden

[hardy plinth]

OMG I FOUND IT

nope got all the hidden objectives

[tardy light]

[hardy plinth]

it was somewhere outside in the gras

a couple meters from the guy I arrested

Is there a mod for this kinda stuff?

[static wigeon]

Going into the Gas station mission RUF style

🇸🇱

[tardy light]

I saw highlighted guns on a vid idk whats the mod called tho

[shy tulip]

it's an accessibility setting in the base game

[static wigeon]

I’m loving the gold AK-103 and AK-101 stockless

[drifting fog]

anyone else been having constant crashes since the hotfix

[vague ice]

personally yeah, theres times it takes so long to load that once its "loads" its the loading blackscreen with the "helment cam" text on top

[jaunty jacinth]

dude im tryna do elephant

and ive spent like 20 minutes tryna find the last civilians

and this mf search and secure command doesnt work

[alpine kindle]

it only works on spotted evidence, civs, hostiles. if the location is unknown they will not act on the command

[shadow ether]

Is it just me or Voll is employing John Wick? We've been trying to S rank the map, and eight consecutive times we get one hit killed by a suspect on the first floor, both within the same second when we enter together and within the same area if we enter separately

It's always one dude, always with a pistol, always on the first floor, and it's always a one hit kill even with no prior injuries

[sharp fox]

thats average ready or not for you

[shadow ether]

Yeah but the entire detail everywhere else on the map behaves normally, or at least giving us time to react and shoot back even through the injuries

And it doesn't appear to happen on other maps we tried

The one time we A ranked it I think we lit him up through a closed door

[alpine kindle]

running and gunning with combat pistol and shield headtabbing upon no compliance is helarious

[foggy trench]

can my steam friends see that im playing in the game's menu if im set to invisible?

since the game got it's own "friend playing" popup

[upbeat wadi]

okay

any advice for hide and seek?

[alpine kindle]

lethal or none lethal?

[upbeat wadi]

lethal duh, gotta walk before i run

[alpine kindle]

alright. clear outside center to leftside first.
backtrack from center to ride side building.
from side building work your way to the open middle and use wedges on the doors leading to the hanger
once all doors are wedged go in from the right side and clear your way to the left side going in clockwise motion

[vestal mauve]

Make absolutely sure the outside is clear before you enter the warehouse

[alpine kindle]

i used this approach for my S tier clear aswell tbh

[upbeat wadi]

thanks

cause that mission has to be a prank

[vestal mauve]

It's def a marathon
Also remember to check every container with a spider logo on it

[upbeat wadi]

yeah the briefing says that

but i think that can wait til after order to chaos

[vestal mauve]

Most of them have headlights shining on them too

[upbeat wadi]

how many bad guys, ballpark?

[alpine kindle]

you can also see the locations on the map on the phone

[upbeat wadi]

we killed and nabbed like 16 last run but evidently there was STILL more

[alpine kindle]

21 in total

[upbeat wadi]

what the fuck i was that close? man that's even more frustrating

[vestal mauve]

yeah it's a fucken small army, all armored and with automatics

[upbeat wadi]

far as loadout, big dick rifles for everybody, no kiddie stuff like smgs or shotguns, right?

[vestal mauve]

bring lots of ammo and weapons that can cover long ranges

[vestal mauve]

yeah 100%

[alpine kindle]

well better start meditating when you approach it with none lethal weapons. the hanger turns the ai officers to useless potato bags

[upbeat wadi]

and cs is useless too it appears, so swap that out for bangs and stingers (not like those are gonna be much help either)

[alpine kindle]

ARs, flashes, wedges

[upbeat wadi]

well good thing i randomly gravitated towards wedges as the lynchpin of my tactics as far back as swat 4

even though it gets so unreasonably door-y in the late game that i just said fuck it and didnt bother in some of those missions, definitely couldnt be effed on hospital or neon

[alpine kindle]

once outside is clear you want to make sure nothing gets out there from the hanger. so you don't have to search the place for 1 guy missing and get shot from a blind spot😂

[upbeat wadi]

that's what my teammates are for 🙂

-- d platoon commander, 4 days before getting fragged

that's why this mission is the last one and it feels like such an abrupt ending to the story

oh also

do enemies actually detect red laser dots?

[alpine kindle]

unfortunately not. this is where programming still is limited i think. in real world scenarios you would limit the use of flashlights and lasers to avoid giving away intel. But in the game it doesnt seem to matter

it's more effective to leave the flashlight on since it makes the hostiles shoot more inaccurate

[upbeat wadi]

for real? man and there i was thinking im being all tacticool with my nvg + IR laser rig

[crude prism]

no lights do not blind suspects lol

[vestal mauve]

yeah flashlights only make enemies say an audio cue but it doesn't change their behavior
compared to F.E.A.R., a game that came out nearly 20 years ago, where enemies would aggressively pursue you if you left your flashlight on

[crude prism]

it's SUPPOSED to alert people, I just don't think it works lol

[upbeat wadi]

i think even AI bots in unreal tournament (the first one, yes) could do that sort of thing, figure out where you are if you shoot a rocket from behind the corner etc

or it was just fakery, i.e. the game just told them where you were if they "saw" certain things you did

did splinter cell enemies see your laser dot? i wanna say they did but not sure

[vestal mauve]

no the lasers in SC and the goggles are just meant for the player

[velvet sierra]

@night pine my fault join back join back plz

[silk junco]

plz plz plz 🥺

[velvet sierra]

bro got me begging :(

thats tragic

whys this chat got a 5 second slow mode on as if people are spamming it constantly

[upbeat wadi]

aw
i guess i just remembered chaos theory as so technically impressive that it must have had everything i could think of

[tardy light]

Almost got aluh akbart by my last suspect on neon

[alpine kindle]

from my lack of understanding of game dev. the only way logical to me to create a sensor for a flashlight in an ai "field of view" would be by using a collision box with code stating that if the flashlight is on within the proximity of that box the ai responds to it. but this would mean that ai will also aggro through walls

[velvet sierra]

aufghh ohh zabrat

[alpine kindle]

to get an accurate detection on lasers and flashlights they would need to be able to detect contrast difference somehow on a certain spot

[upbeat wadi]

yeah, and another way is to tie it to the vector (from what i understand) but then it'll aggro if all it sees is like, a half-meter stretch of the imaginary line going from your gun to the dot

for flashlights that could actually work though, i guess

i think what most games do for those things is they have some sort of "visibility" parameter, and turning your flashlight on raises it to the max immediately

but this game obviously doesn't have anything like that, your visibility is literally binary. so that wouldn't work

[tardy light]

Bean bag shotty or the non lethal ar?

[upbeat wadi]

real guns

[tardy light]

real guns> non letheal ik im trying to get a s or higher on neon

[upbeat wadi]

on that map the ar id say, distances are too long for the beanbag

and cs gas, if its allowed for S runs. lots of gas

[alpine kindle]

i had 1 helarious scenario tho. normally only front should be shining his flashlight. doing a duo clearence. we did a slow approach to enemies around a T section.
My friend using a flashlight behind me i saw my own shadow on the wall showing i was fully kitted out.
First thing that came to my mind in that moment. If this was for real you just killed us bro 🤣

[tardy light]

My standard non lethal kit runs gas and the ar

Just tought the bean bag was more effective because it takesa lot of shots on target with the ar

[upbeat wadi]

lmao yeah there's videos on youtube where a real life swat team commander plays the game and comments, he said that normally youd have one guy have his flashlight on and he'd be IN FRONT of everyone

otherwise you get the shadows thing and also everyone's silhoutttes get nicely outlined

[alpine kindle]

i started out using bean bag. but after a while i only used vhs and the smg none lethal

[upbeat wadi]

basically a bad guy in ambush couldnt ask for a better gift

[alpine kindle]

exactly

[upbeat wadi]

however, consider this: batman swat tactics

use this shit on purpose to scare the beejesus out of em

light on for a couple sec, menacing shadow of a fully decked out guy on the wall appears, light goes off

id fuckin surrender right there

loudly

[frail quartz]

You know how someone made a patent for an animatronic skeleton with glowing eyes for police to use to interrogate criminals and intimidate confessions out of them? What if we do that, except intimidating them to surrender?

[upbeat wadi]

that's what im talking about
if you do what i just said and theres no reaction, everyone just stays still as a statue for say 30 sec

then start walking around the room in circles

then the shadow shit again from a different spot and angle

then sprint like 5m all together all at once

and there you go, either your suspect gets a heart attack or he fuckin gives up

[soft narwhal]

All you have to do is just say " I'm vengeance"

[upbeat wadi]

i am venganza
i am la noche
i am murcielago

||yes this is a joke about the spotty spanish in this game||

[alpine kindle]

hmm, now i get this funny sketch in my head of using a mini sculpture of multiple soldiers. solo guy shining it from mulitple angles making 5 guys serrunder🤣

[upbeat wadi]

there's this book the things they carried about vietnam, semi fictionalized experiences of the author himself

in one bit he talks about how he got shot in the ass in one firefight and their corpsman was green as fuck and mega nervous so he almost forgot to treat for shock, which would have killed him (and he couldnt tell him "shock" cause he was already too deep into it)

and then he got transferred to a base somewhere instead of a patrol type platoon and his old gang passed by once months later, and everyone told him the doc was ok now, and one of them, and his experience wasnt really valid anymore

he disregarded all that cause he was still platinum mad at the doc, so he pulled a favor to have him on night watch that night and talked some buddy of his into fucking with the poor guy all night

[vestal mauve]

What's more of a nightmare to S Rank, Port or Farm?

[upbeat wadi]

random lights, cans on a string making rattling noises, pith helmets on sticks popping out of bushes and back

noises, all that shit

[alpine kindle]

if hide and seek means port then definitely port

[upbeat wadi]

and to his dismay the corpsman was scared -- duh, who wouldnt be -- but it took him a few minutes to compose himself, get a grip and start shooting at their bullshit props, and at that point he basically figured out what was going on and went "OBRIEN, get out here OBRIEN!"

well in my opinion that was easily the worst fuckin thing he'd done that he talked about

even in fuckin ready or not id get a heart attack if someone screwed with me like that

[alpine kindle]

i dunno, in such a situation i guess it is common sense to just crawl into the best position you could find and either give up on first sight or panic shoot

[upbeat wadi]

i think they may have gotten the other guys on watch to not respond to his calls etc.

if that happens in real life the protocol you challenge the noise

which means you say the word of the day, let's say "jiggly"

and if it's a friendly, say one of yours who went out for a piss or whatever, he has to reply with the right countersign of the day, in our case let's say "butt"

[tardy light]

Fuck non lethal

[upbeat wadi]

if there's no response, or the noise repeats, or basically anything happens except you hear "butt", you go "jiggly" again

[tardy light]

Homie had a meat shield and shot the hostage

[upbeat wadi]

if no "butt" again, weapons free

might be a hedgehog or a squirrel, might also be a sapper or a scout

[alpine kindle]

yeah running a shield guy is highly beneficial, but the stupid thing for S tier is that you have to send him out with an empty handgun. therefor try to be the second man of entry so you can shoot from behind the shield

[alpine kindle]

indeed. it's a thing they do

[tardy light]

I didnt run shield the guy took a hostage and during the pepper animation he shot the hostage

[alpine kindle]

oooh

[vernal bane]

Farm was harder than port for me

[alpine kindle]

right, in that case i guess pulling back and flashes would be the only way to clear it?

[upbeat wadi]

carriers of the vine?

[vernal bane]

Yes

Port was a piece of cake actually

Farm had the annoying sharp shooter

[upbeat wadi]

I got lucky and beat it first try (lethal of course)

port is kicking my ass

[upbeat wadi]

what's that?

[vernal bane]

The girl on the tower

[alpine kindle]

frustrating maps for act of valor for me were:
valley of the dolls
neon club
relapse
hide and seek

all the others went pretty smooth in either first go or less then 5

[summer copper]

okay fine

i hated the girl on the tower

i finished the level first try but i almost didn't cuz of her

[upbeat wadi]

hm i think either she ran out of there for whatever reason or we just dropped her without me noticing, either way for me the tower was empty i think

[vernal bane]

She doesn’t always spawn out on tower, sometimes she could be in stairwell or ground floor

But when she’s out she’s mean with her gun

Every other map S was pretty light though

[alpine kindle]

i rather have her up there then on the staircases with a shotgun. she jumpscared me pretty good with a shotgun xD

[vernal bane]

True soloed the first few too

[upbeat wadi]

my tactic was basically going into the barn, then the first building, running around inside for a while clearing random rooms and wedging the rest, and then going back out to the starting court yard

and back in and back out and back in until we don't get shot at when we do that

[tardy light]

I had valley on S until i decided to shoot volt with a pepper ball

[upbeat wadi]

same with the other courtyards and buildings basically

[vernal bane]

Shouldn’t do anything?

[tardy light]

I tought non lethal wouldnt count lmfao

[vernal bane]

Shooting a civy with pepper ball while compliant is not unauthorized

[upbeat wadi]

also deliberately shooting at the ceiling and yelling POLICE if there's voices nearby, to aggro them and make them come to us instead of the other way around

[vernal bane]

Same can’t be said for beanbag shottie

[summer copper]

what a way to lose it

[upbeat wadi]

fuck im

[summer copper]

unauthorised use of force by peppering a restrained suspect

[upbeat wadi]

guy's kind of a JERK!

[summer copper]

that's one way of putting it

[vernal bane]

It shouldn’t, at least from my experience

[summer copper]

in reality it would count

[vernal bane]

You can shoot pepperball at compliant/restrained suspects with no consequence at all

[summer copper]

those little balls hurt, and that's before it gasses you out

i'll test it tomorrow

[alpine kindle]

hide and seek yesterday with a shield i walked up towards a hostile not serrunder, but he was next to a civ. So i shieldbash the hostile and must have hit the civ. "use of unauthorized force". ...restart

[summer copper]

lol

one time i bashed a non compliant civvie and got unauthorised use of force

you TOLD me to do that, game

[vernal bane]

It’s really annoying when the animation doesn’t fully play out

Or doesn’t show

And you shoot a compliant person but in reality they never raised their hands, so you get unauthorized

[alpine kindle]

it feels good to be able to run and gun again after playing with none lethal weapons for a while

[summer copper]

i literally cannot wait to use lethal force once i get bored enough of doing S ranks to play relapse for the first time

[alpine kindle]

oh great tip for S tier.
give your officers gasmasks.
sometimes the peppergun can actually register friendlyfire because of the gas lingering in the air i think

[summer copper]

i did

don't worry they're all equipped

[frail quartz]

I equip them with gasmasks anyways for MuH rEaLiSm

[alpine kindle]

yeah, now i just go in with no armour acting as an ex military civ with a gun. acting on the scene 😄

if i see a gun, i shoot

[summer copper]

i'll do the rust belt magnum achievement at some point

[dreamy garden]

did the devs jail watchmen?

He was arrested

had cuffs on like a suspect in the PD

jokes on him his game crashed after like 3 minutes

[drowsy star]

Guys is there a way to let your AI shieldman ALWAYS get thier shield out straight?
They tend to swap their primary back after a successful breach&clear
Which is a little bit tiring to stack em up,get the shield,shield guy stands in alpha at every single door...

[tardy light]

Maybe no primary ammo?

[stable kernel]

Doesn't work since they pull it back out, and will swap to secondary when they try to shoot the primary

[ebon ginkgo]

they'd probably just put away the shield and hold secondary lol

[alpine kindle]

unfortunately they don't. when i try an all pistol round going with minimum budget approach they still run with their primary

haha -2140

[sharp fox]

just become the shield guy yourself

ez

[steep vale]

dawg i am getting railed on Sinuous Trail these AI teammates aint cutting it

[sharp fox]

💀

[vestal mauve]

bring shotguns

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨 i finally got into a game

i kept getting kicked out

[alpine kindle]

enter from front and clear through left side clear the first center room bottom through left door.
go up and clear upper room. if you are taking fire from the right center server room then fall back on go down and visa versa.
continue to clear the rest of the building

[neon forge]

is gunfighter mod bugged

[quaint aspen]

hey silly question, not from the US when is summer?

[lucid jolt]

around June to August

[quaint aspen]

thank you

[inland wolf]

anyone know if watchmen has any alt accounts

more preachers

[umbral oar]

i bet you can tell if someone is his alt as he doesnt shut up 🗣️

[wraith belfry]

how do i agitate what's her face from valley of the dolls

trynna get that one achievement

[tough spire]

Just walk up to her

[broken haven]

is greased palms the one that everyone complains abt

[quick ocean]

Yes it’s a relatively hard map

[limber steppe]

It's pretty managable after the ai hotfix

I've just done it first try

[hardy plinth]

Something that would've been interesting on relapse is to add like at least one Arabic speaking patient

so I don't have to go ultra racist mode and shoot anyone who speaks Arabic under the assumption they're terrorists

10/10 cop game

[elder cedar]

Something that would be good would be adding an acorn dropping near you when by civilians. and the acorn sounds like a gun shot 💀

[quick ocean]

Yeah that’s true. Managed to S-tier it myself in a couple of tries

Nightclub was more difficult imo

[hardy plinth]

Neon tomb is just so fucking loud

[midnight goblet]

Any reason my game crashed when I pressed tab

Valley of the dolls

[hardy plinth]

Maybe verify game files?

Tab is supposed to bring up your phone with the objectives

[stone bay]

Fk post office mission

[kindred temple]

fk greased palms

all my homies hate greased palms

[sick sluice]

agreed

where is the 1.0 gun spreadsheet

i want something with more punch than 5.56 without going for the horse kick FAL

[kindred temple]

Lvar

[hardy plinth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[sick sluice]

is it actually stronger though
every time i see an integrated suppressor in a game its shit no matter if the caliber is stronger irl

[hardy plinth]

Isn't it this?

[sick sluice]

eyy thanks

[kindred temple]

.300 blackout

you tell me

and integrated suppressor only makes it better

[sick sluice]

not even a fan of suppressors anymore

arn180 seems good too

gentlemen i am commencing my raid on the god forsaken postal service

wish me luck

[hardy plinth]

🫡

Make sure you don't kill the blonde guy with the blue jacket

[magic hearth]

Good luck!

[sick sluice]

i stopped caring about that a long time ago

i just wanna unlock new levels man this is just tedious

[stone bay]

At this point he deserves to die

[sick sluice]

is there a way to make an ai with the a shield go in front of me

[stone bay]

You die today, not me again

[sick sluice]

another 25 minutes wasted

[thorny warren]

im trying out the "no crack for ai mod"

[civic otter]

Stop calling your updates hotfixes... It's months now

They're just updates

A hotfix gets released immediately or in days of a release... Not x months

[sick sluice]

jesus fucking christ could they make the swat ai any more stupid

im here sitting with my shield up, suspect dumps 5 mags on me, ai just watches

they shoot only if they themselves get injured

[thorny warren]

wait is it teamwork or rather passenger syndrome?

[sick sluice]

BROUGHT ORDER TO CHAOS
IT HAS BEEN 74 YEARS

[foggy zinc]

what mission were you doing officer

[hardy plinth]

(I think he's on Greased Palms)

[sick sluice]

greased palms

still searching for maria lopez btw

[hardy plinth]

Can enemies be stunned again when they're still in their stun animation?

[stone bay]

LMFAO FR

[hardy plinth]

Like you shoot someone with a beanbag and then when you shoot them a second time they don't react to it physically

[stone bay]

basically i managed to pass greased palms but i deleted my save file and now i have to do it again 💀

[sick sluice]

"DROP THE GUN, HAND UP IN THE AI- PUT YO HANDS U-"

meanwhile my character in the bottom left looking like the strawberry flavored haribo gummy bear:

[stone bay]

😭

[sharp fox]

💀💀

[foggy zinc]

i wanna say possibly, but i wouldn't lean on it to stun suspects over and over again

[sharp fox]

its always fun having broken legs then having to rely on my ai to breach a door

[jolly verge]

nope, you need wait untill stun animation is end

[sick sluice]

speak for yourself mate i carry more bomb load than a B-52

[hardy plinth]

Just sometimes you hit them with a beanbag and they just stand there for 10 seconds going "oh man, oh God oh man, anyway die"

[foggy zinc]

DROP YOUR KNEES! legs turn to mist

[thorny warren]

i completed the game not long ago and i can assure that greased palms was the hardest

[sick sluice]

exaaactly

[sharp fox]

maybe i should start carrying bombs

[hardy plinth]

So even when enemies are running from CS gas you cannot stun them with a beanbag?

[sharp fox]

wait what are the difference between stingers and flashbangs

[thorny warren]

the only way i can beat it without a team is with M249

[thorny warren]

the flashbang is inferior

[sharp fox]

real

[sick sluice]

got an A
never doing that shit ever again

[brittle sable]

same duration, some say slightly longer range with the stinger but i havent noticed it
i just use bangs

[sharp fox]

oh ok

[thorny warren]

^

[sharp fox]

when will they let me use frag grenades

[brittle sable]

you can if you have gunfighter

[thorny warren]

you install gunfigher?

[sharp fox]

no

no way i can actually get frags in this game

[brittle sable]

its a mod
otherwise you cant

[thorny warren]

make sure its gunfighter gameplay imrovements and not the one that just says "gunfigher", that one doesn't work for me

[sharp fox]

oh

alr

[jolly verge]

you can

[thorny warren]

you guys use nexus mods or the ingame thing?

[sick sluice]

"oh boy i cant wait to play actually fun maps after i finish greased palms!"

+New mission available: Valley Of The Dolls!

hhh when the hell do i unlock hospital that one is mad fun

[stone bay]

that one is fun tho ngl

[sharp fox]

valley of the dolls gave me so much PTSD 😭😭

[stone bay]

If ur struggling jst go round the outside first

ai shit tho they dk what non lethal taser is

[sharp fox]

everytime i go through the front im met with so many bullets

[stone bay]

C3 and flash/gas twice

[sick sluice]

not really struggling i just hate getting shot through windows when the sun reflects so much off it that i cant even know if it is transparent or a solid yellow texture

[stone bay]

😭🙏 the windows

[sharp fox]

man i just usually kill them throw the windows

🙏🙏

[hardy plinth]

Why does this game have weapons like the 870CQB when it's objectively inferior to any of the other shotguns, especially the semi-autos?

[thorny warren]

i once thought the fn fal was a light machine gun

[sick sluice]

feels badass

[sharp fox]

for the funny

[thorny warren]

damn i fired on a suspect with M249 and it went through the wall and hit a civilian behind it

overpenetration sucks

[sharp fox]

i love “accidentally” shootings civs 🙏🙏

[thorny warren]

and i got an F for just that, it took away 350 points

plus 500 i guess, for not completing "rescue all of the civilians"

i wonder if civilian casualties are actually that bad irl

[sharp fox]

i would think they are pretty bad

[dim cairn]

Totally didn't not realize that there was bombs on Elephant until I had like 5 minutes left to defuse them. Whoopsie.

[sharp fox]

shouldnt it be on the mission objectives or something

[drowsy star]

It does have objective hints
But the bomb sites are randomly set up

I cleared that stage with two broken arms and one crippled leg
It feels so terrifying when a gunslinger slammed the door open while i trying to defuse

[sharp fox]

while i was defusing the bombs i was so worried that a suspect would come out and kill me

i was actually praying to my ai to give me proper cover 😭

[drowsy star]

Heavy armor and full metal coverage failed to save my limbs 😉
Next time maybe i should wear like a juggernaut before entering in

[sharp fox]

of course

[jolly verge]

damage to your limbs and steel is same, dont worry

[drowsy star]

Not quite sure how many hits can a officer sustain
Does the rule similar to escape from tarkov?
When hits landing on a completely destroyed body part,there's a chance of instant death

[jolly verge]

Not like eft. You have 160 hp and every damage to you is capped to 70, so you can eat atleast 2 bullet to bare torso and still alive.
Destroyed body part apply penalty, for leg it's walk speed, for arms is increased recoil, red head give you debuff that any further damage to you will make vision blurry/distorted.

[main anvil]

What DLSS quality should i use??

Like what's the best cuz the last time i used low it boosted and i lost control of the updates

[jolly verge]

Is you gpu usage over 99%?

[main anvil]

no

[jolly verge]

none, native is better

[main anvil]

it's 59 rn

[drowsy star]

Thanks! this helps a lot

[jolly verge]

it's wont give you any fps boost

[main anvil]

Oh

[jolly verge]

You can check more in this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1471879539

[drowsy star]

Thumbs UP

[dim cairn]

I don't like the person I become when I switch on full auto.

[lucid elk]

Then don't use full-auto.

[dim cairn]

I'd love to but unfortunately EA bought the game and now switching fire modes costs €12.99

[drowsy star]

Take SA-58 with u then
Cure the infection,once a bullet

[lucid elk]

What weapon are you using?

[summer copper]

SA-58 the indoor equivalent of a tank cannon

[dim cairn]

She said it was the SA-58 or her.. god I miss her

[lucid elk]

It's just a marksman rifle...

[drowsy star]

It just feels so good to knock ur opponents down with one tap
No more body armour issues

[dim cairn]

Especially when your opponent is an innocent bystander.

[sharp fox]

they need to let me shoot my rifle in the LSPD station

🙏

[drowsy star]

You can glitch your secondary out by ads with a shield
As for rifles well no solutions for now

[dim cairn]

They let you do it in LA.

Like irl

[sharp fox]

i will maybe try this

[lucid elk]

Switch between weapons and click fast enough.

[drowsy star]

Ai teammates tend to aim for arms instead of torso while they are holding a shotgun
Situations get a little bit out of control when the suspect is...well,disassembled
Had to admit i got shocked on the firt saw

[drowsy star]

I'll give it a try

[sharp fox]

its confusing when i cant restrain a downed suspect then i look at their arms and see my shotgunner has blown it off

[drowsy star]

Ouch

[lucid elk]

lol

[sharp fox]

always a fun yet traumatic sight 😭

[sick sluice]

i blew up a suspect that was right behind a door with c2 and now he is nowhere to be seen and my officers are repeatedly screaming for compliance
do i gotta restart

what are the chances the poor fuck became one with the concrete wall behind him

[sharp fox]

probably high

are you sure you didnt just blow the suspect up into pieces

either way you should probably restart

[sick sluice]

istfg

[drowsy star]

Imagine the area when a door is knocked down and fall will cover
That should be the C2's injury zone(kiiling zone not sure)
If that guy stands right behind the door then god blees him

[vague ice]

he became one with the door, arrest it

[sick sluice]

MY FUCKING GOD THAT WAS THE LAST SUSPECT TOO

[drowsy star]

Time for a 4U gas station picinic to comfort your cop buddies

[broken haven]

or hes under the door 🙏

[sharp fox]

arrest the floor hes clearly under it

why does it say i edited my message i didnt even change anything 😭

[drowsy star]

dunno,quite strange

[sharp fox]

strage

[broken haven]

can some1 order me food to my house

im starving to death

[vague ice]

also yeah check #🎬ron-clips-and-media to see how doors are simply treacherous, suspect is definetely on a different plane of existence now

[sick sluice]

not under the door

not inside the wall because its really thin

fucker phased out of existence and im pretty sure it was amos voll

deserved

sprayed the door and wall for good measure

they never should have added preogression to the game

[drowsy star]

What a horrible scene it will be if some dumbhead got blown up by a breaching charge in reality
Jeez

Oh i remembered that in lethal obession the ghillie guy hide himself down the basement,behind a tripwired door
It's such a compact room and i can't resist the lure of a new achievement

So i blow the door and frag and him out of RON space once and for all
LOL

[sharp fox]

truly deserved

[sharp fox]

💀💀

[sick sluice]

aight after that huge waste of half an hour
voll mansion speedrun time

[drowsy star]

YEAHHHHHH LETS GO

[sick sluice]

obligatory "push it to the limit" playing in the background ofc

[sharp fox]

dude i remember one of my ai calling me a maniac because i blew a suspects head off while he was restrained

😭

maybe he was right idk

[drowsy star]

Sometimes feels that my AI teammates are much more moral than me
<-- This guy feels no guilt while shooting suspects without intimidate

[dim cairn]

My AI teammates have, on numerous occasions, shot handcuffed civilians. I do the same, I'd call us even.

[sick sluice]

civilian interactions lmaoo
"GET DOWN ON THE GROUND"
"Or what? gonna sue m- gets face bashed in with gun stock
"You dont have to yell 😢 "

[smoky cedar]

ffUUUCK

[drowsy star]

In previous version of this game,doll valley or what map
I took several shots and my health bar looks like a red alert icon
A blonde female killed me with bare fists while i trying to bash her in the face
LMAO

[sick sluice]

i usually put down that miserable fuck

thats amos's wife

[smoky cedar]

I was at the end of cherryessa farm. My whole team was deceased. I clear the very LAST room. Enemy with AK, starts blasting me. I mag dump them with my rifle, then mag dumped with the pistol. she kept shooting and i FUCKING DIED.

That girl was a fucking TANK

It was the last fucking room and my ENTIRE TEAM WAS DEAD.

[sick sluice]

mm should have carried more bombs

ai was about to clean the map and just stopped

bruh why do i even play this game