👮ron-discussion

[lucid elk]

Why not?

[shrewd oriole]

Today's subject: Ron ai

[mighty elbow]

i felt so bad for him

[tough spire]

I apologize, I am an HK fan. 🙃

[vestal mauve]

his braincells were melting in REAL TIME

[normal patrol]

yeh lets steer a few degrees away from politics

[stone bay]

Ahh yes Generalization Fallacy or whatever ya'll call it

[crude prism]

Here's the EM1 laser rifle used during WW2 (vanguard is actually a fucking joke lmao)

[mighty elbow]

brandon herreras were too when i saw his vid on cvanguard

[olive idol]

because if you don't like cops, shooting back helps, and it's weird thinking that a cop can have something that civies can't

[vestal mauve]

and here's the M1 garand with a fucking magazine
that still pings

[crude prism]

The F2000: for some reason

[normal patrol]

to me it all comes down to 'people'. they put different labels and titles on them but they are all people..

[mighty elbow]

[split egret]

that hurts yeh

[mighty elbow]

thats just a cursed m14

[tough spire]

The weapon that can fall apart in enterity by pressing two buttons on the front... AND the weapon where that ridiculous function has saved it from field malfunctions.

[lucid elk]

shooting back helps
Except ACAB people usually are anti-gun as well because they prefer to solve things via democracy.

[normal patrol]

gimme the ping!

[olive idol]

hey my great grandpa said that the FN F2000 was the GOAT during WW2, with the anime skin

[normal patrol]

if my gun dont ping.. i dont want it

[lucid elk]

In any case, ya. Not a politics server.

[vestal mauve]

my least favorite part of vanguard were the fucking aircraft sights scaled down as reflex sights

[olive idol]

well, if I get shot at by a asshole, i'd want a gun to drop him

[shrewd oriole]

In any case, everyone has their own opinion, who would of known? And amazingly, we will basically never change each other's opinion.

[lucid elk]

Vanguard is a disaster.

[crude prism]

Vanguard certainly was... a game? I think?

[tough spire]

FN2k will always be the Sam Fisher gun, though, and that makes it pretty neat in my book. (Same with 5-7)

[olive idol]

you know who sucks tho, the fucks who made MWIII

[split egret]

I can't recall the last time I even touched a CoD :V

[normal patrol]

fafafafa! 🤣

[vestal mauve]

anyway WHERE'S MY CARRY HANDLE, VOID?????

[lucid elk]

i wouldn't pirate that shit in years.

[crude prism]

NOWHERE, GET OUT OF THE STONE AGE

[olive idol]

Mods sister

[vestal mauve]

fuck you
your jordans are FAKE

[split egret]

DAMN

[crude prism]

[olive idol]

that's to far dawg

[normal patrol]

🥲

[tough spire]

Holy shit what a roast

[shrewd oriole]

Most civilized discussion:

[stone bay]

[lucid elk]

For RoNcord, it really is.

[normal patrol]

I dont know how to tell

oh it says Jordash

[olive idol]

this is car crash levels of interesting

[split egret]

RoN Discussion: Yes, we do disagree on the role and responsibilities of authority, but we can do so with civility
Also, RoN Discussion: "Get a mod" "Fuck you, Your Jordans are FAKE"

[stone bay]

I'M GONNA CREASE YOUR Js SPIDER-MAN

[normal patrol]

🥹

[vestal mauve]

actually fuck it
i dont even need new weapons, i just want sniper support

[stone bay]

I want to command my team via Team View cam

[normal patrol]

when do we get guns like from the movie Eraser?

[split egret]

that'd be tight

[normal patrol]

voice commands yet?.

[stone bay]

Tacspeak mod or VoiceAttack

[split egret]

I'd kill for rappeling in some form. It's one of the few reasons I touch ZH every here and there.

[normal patrol]

I said breach and clear.. i dont want to hit 4 buttons wile ads

[spiral crypt]

You know what would make every single news article freak out about RoN? Suspects having passive resistance lol

[tough spire]

ZH does have some really fun mechanics even if it's jank AF

[fringe vector]

which guns?

[normal patrol]

yeah when I first played this I kinda compared ti to R6Siege and Vegas 2

[shrewd oriole]

CoD devs try not to make the least accurate portrayle of ww2 imaginable

[olive idol]

I would prefer if RoN stay out of the spot light of idiot news agencys

[stone bay]

I vividly remember at some point Void showed assault ladders

ready or not so sussy

[vestal mauve]

anyone play SCP 5K?

[stone bay]

SR-16

[spiral crypt]

lol

[vestal mauve]

yeah they got removed

[split egret]

yeah it's jank, but I appreciate that it's more of a passion project. And the pricepoint is hard to get mad about, too.

[olive idol]

how about just releasing a finished game for once?

[shrewd oriole]

I saw a video of it and it looked like an asset flip, wasn't interested after that.

[normal patrol]

my wittle heart cant take it

[tough spire]

I recommend to everyone even if they don't enjoy it. It was $7 when my friend group got it and that is extremely modest to support that wacky little dev.

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe

[vestal mauve]

so glad i dropped that series after VG
might pick up BOGW tho, Treyarch are the GOATs of modern COD

[split egret]

It could be, I'm unsure if the devs made their assets but the mechanics have some good ideas, some fun things to it.

[olive idol]

SCP 5K is alright

[fringe vector]

Big misunderstanding, I replyed to a thing that said groundbranch and said they dont have point aiming

[little kraken]

y'all i just spent 30 minutes doing less lethal on valley of the dolls, everyone survived, all objectives completed, got an A+ 😔

[normal patrol]

Trepang 2?

[tough spire]

RIP

[stone bay]

lmao

[normal patrol]

👍 ✊

[tough spire]

I'm about to finish my ironman run in a single sitting. Good lord. Port Hokan here we come.

[olive idol]

Graves is so fucking hot, wish they didn't through his character away for the dumbass "twist"

[split egret]

The setting is cool as hell with just how different it is.

[spiral crypt]

Got all softs? Reported everything? All guns collected? Did you press Y or did the game do it for ya

[vestal mauve]

dropped it halfway through, just didnt stick with me

[tough spire]

YES. I do all the Bengali voiceovers too, makes it so slick.

[stone bay]

is ready or not for kids

[shrewd oriole]

Tes

[vestal mauve]

no

[stone bay]

no and

yes

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[stone bay]

yes very much so

[normal patrol]

ADS only after beat the game. fun arena shooter. kinda forgettable

[stone bay]

let them play it

kappa btw

there many n4ked anime in ever map

[olive idol]

that's a bit harsh of a punishment?

[normal patrol]

🙃

[shrewd oriole]

No

[split egret]

there can be

[stark fox]

Oh shit wrong chat

[normal patrol]

Hey little timmy. yknow what a crackhead is?

[little kraken]

yeah all softs, everything reported. team was during search and secure. is it possible the mission ended during search and secure with weapons unsecured? 🤔

[stone bay]

[lucid elk]

BOGW?

[normal patrol]

want to shoot one?.

[olive idol]

I have good news, My Plates are now attached to my body correctly

[spiral crypt]

I don't think so

[vestal mauve]

Black Ops Gulf War, the next rumored COD

[split egret]

Did you hit Y?

[olive idol]

Gulf War was borring as fuck

[shrewd oriole]

That's tough

[split egret]

Might've pepper ball'd a perp too much too

[shrewd oriole]

I wonder how they'll make it as unrealistic as possible.

[lucid elk]

Ah, interesting.

[shrewd oriole]

It doesn't have to be realistic but atleast depict it right

[olive idol]

it was a walk in the park compared to every other war

[normal patrol]

they need to make kill me more interesting

[stone bay]

Every soldier will slide cancel 180 bunny hop backwards

[spiral crypt]

I mean this respectfully, but you probably incapped or killed someone

[little kraken]

nah didn't hit y or anything. think i might just call it a night and try again tomorrow.

[split egret]

yeah it's okay to get frustrated, tactical shooters can be that

yeah it's possible someone got domed with a beanbag

[spiral crypt]

You gotta arrest all of them for S rank, not just have them not die

[shrewd oriole]

Some random marine bhopping in a snoop dog outfit

[willow glen]

They removed beanbag doming unless you yourself did it

[shrewd oriole]

With a laser gun

[vestal mauve]

just be glad there's no stealth missions

I still have nightmares from OG Rainbow Six and Yellow Knife/Deep Magic

[normal patrol]

ooph COD is getting it every which way rn

[willow glen]

Every mission is a stealth mission

[split egret]

welp that triggered my fight or flight response

[normal patrol]

They gave us.. NoRussian

[willow glen]

Remain covert until the last minute

[olive idol]

for ultra realism, BOGW should be 15 hours of your character doing nothing but minor tasks around a FOB

[shrewd oriole]

I get cods fun but it doesn't really sound fun to me

[vestal mauve]

but we already have Squad!

[shrewd oriole]

Squad is fun tho

[normal patrol]

stack these sand bags soldier!

[tough spire]

ArmA 3 with ACE is the bomb.

[split egret]

I bailed out years and years ago, I've saved my money for other things that are more fun that buying what amounts to Digital Airsoft 23: Now with more 10 year olds using racial epithets!

[olive idol]

can't wait for Black Ops GWOT

[normal patrol]

COD4 xb360 was pretty much my last cod

[split egret]

same

I was such a jerkoff admin for our server too.

If the kids were getting uppity, I'd switch it to shipment

(this was a 64 player server)

[normal patrol]

comp mp wise I might have checked out a pirate here and there b4 it went all MP pvp

64 on shipment?!!

[split egret]

It was glorious chaos

[normal patrol]

you glorious psychos

[vestal mauve]

also hot take but
Sandstorm is not an Insurgency game
2014 forever

[split egret]

he spittin FAX

[olive idol]

the CoD Gunsmith ain't half bad, wish it didn't lock attachments

[split egret]

or she, which ever you prefer

[normal patrol]

Sandstorm was a huge letdown for me. at the time I didnt really have the cash but fell for the ads.. not better at all..

[split egret]

yeah somethings about it I just didn't care for. I was really kinda hyped for the SP and that just disappeared into the ether

[olive idol]

isn't Sandstorm dead in the water?

[split egret]

Kinda? They're getting a new team to work on it, but eh. I doubt much will come with it. It's comatose.

[normal patrol]

in RoN do downed suspects still scream for minutes even if you shoot their head?

[vestal mauve]

2014 has peak atmosphere
Being the last man alive and hearing the echoing ambience is downright chilling

[olive idol]

Cleric > Warlock

[normal patrol]

rtx remix might make a lot of dreams from the past come true again

[vestal mauve]

Monk > the rest
I cast fist

[split egret]

That was great until I discovered the workshop and then whenever I was the last man standing or there was a counter attack? The pillar man theme from Battle Tendency starts playing.

[shrewd oriole]

Hotdots horseshoes and handgrenades Virtural reality video game

[split egret]

Also, Rogue-thief 4 lyfe.

[normal patrol]

Eldrich blast sniper

[olive idol]

wish BattleState wasn't shitting the bed when it came to unhonest players

[vestal mauve]

I'm playing a Monk with ice spells/abilities so I'm LITERALLY Sub-Zero

[normal patrol]

❤️ ice on the field

[split egret]

It's been a while since I've played, I always get forced to DM because I'm willing to make an ass of myself doing different voices.

[crude prism]

No game is cheater free and Tarkov is EXACTLY the kind of shit people love to cheat in because of the inherent difficulty and time commitment required

[normal patrol]

this is a RoN chat btw.. lol

[olive idol]

what are you, a cop?

[normal patrol]

I stop playing mp pvp when I realized they will never rid of cheaters

[split egret]

Ok, cop

[normal patrol]

SWAAAAAAAT 😛

lol 🥹

[olive idol]

Eli is still the hottest SWAT officer on D Sqaud, I will die on this hill

Swan is a close second

[split egret]

Honestly, I stopped playing a lot of competitive MP when it started boiling down to this 5v5 borefests, with very very few exceptions.

[normal patrol]

Now Im going to take this social frustration out on a bunch of crackheads... so I'll give them your regards..

[split egret]

WE STAN ELI

the king of the moustache ride

[normal patrol]

full-auto regards.. lmg

Im the active shooter now...

[crude prism]

I played siege for a few years through high school and college and just went "nah that's enough" lol

Not interested in that sweaty shit anymore for the most part

[olive idol]

Eli is my Pookie and I will ugly cry if he dies

[normal patrol]

they butchered the R6 series after Vegas 2

I played the F out of it.. but I hated it at the same time..

[tough spire]

Vegas 2 was the last fun Rainbow Six.

[split egret]

Yeah that's exactly what I hinted at, Siege was fun in casual, but once the sweatlords outnumbered the chill folks, I just peaced out and did T hunts with friends until they killed that.

I much prefer just getting a server list and selecting one. Gimme 32 v 32 or 64 vs 64 in like Tribes 2 or Joint Ops or something

[normal patrol]

I still play vegas 2 to this day

[olive idol]

"Master Chief, mind telling me why you're on a downed plane?"

[solemn cairn]

is there a limit to the amount of loadout presets u can have

[olive idol]

how many do you plan on making?

[tough spire]

I'm on like 15 so far...

[solemn cairn]

oh ok then ill be fine thx

[normal patrol]

we some old school mf

[crude prism]

I've been enjoying BattleBit and Deep Rock Galactic (with the occasional Arma) besides RoN recently. Much better for my mood

[tough spire]

[olive idol]

best game pound for pound has to be STALKER

[normal patrol]

I think the next decade with rtx remix will have us returning to many glory days

[olive idol]

Depressing Slavic shit is cool

[split egret]

For me, I want my FPS to either be tacticool af so RoN, classic R6s and GRs, ArmAs, or I want crazy ass boomshoot.

[low ivy]

Based rock and stoner

[crude prism]

DRG + Swarm Control playing like 4x bugs is fun as fuuuuuuuuuuck

[normal patrol]

✊

[low ivy]

also did the suspect AI tweak do anything other than reducing accuracy? I havn't really noticed anything

[crude prism]

I wasn't aware they were making a 3d sequel to helldivers, but apparently it comes out in a few days, will be keeping an eye on it 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[low ivy]

and 2.5 gigs for some stat adjustments?

[split egret]

Their behavior is different too, you can much more easily get a surrender out of someone without using a coercive method like pepperballs or a beanbag

[normal patrol]

a few years back I revisted an old love Ghost Recon (as in the very first one :P) only managed a few hours but things just dont hit today like they did in the past

[tough spire]

I play original Ghost Recon and the expacs on my laptop. It's a great laptop game.

[lucid elk]

Arma + SOG + Hatchet Force OP and you have yourself a fuckfest of being ambushed by 2 platoons. <3

[normal patrol]

💯

[olive idol]

Breakpoint was depressing (I pre ordered it like a idiot)

[split egret]

SOG Mentioned lesgooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[normal patrol]

oooph I waited but I think it was bc I was kinda broke 😛

[lucid elk]

SOG is beautiful!

[olive idol]

Unturned is slept on

[split egret]

I had about 500 hours in ArmA 3 until 2021, when SoG PF dropped. I'd preordered it, even.

Now I'm over 3,000 hours.

LOVE SOG

(RealVirtuality needs to be sent to live on a nice farm upstate, though)

[olive idol]

I feel that the MP7 and P90 are not treated like PDWs in games and it's bad

[normal patrol]

gunning down suspects is fairly satisfying in this game idk if that gets enough credit. the reactions (outside of certain annoying death animations) are pretty solid. Bring Ragdolls Back mod is awesome in this game. throat shots fixed..

[olive idol]

5.7x28 is a beefer of a round

[crude prism]

Unturned is cool, but the hard-limits on range really limit combat.

As well as weird infinite-jump strafing making PvP weird.

Base building + raiding is also meeeeeeeeh

[normal patrol]

What we need in terms of realism is realistic skeleton damage and bullets

[crude prism]

Unturned for the vibes though? Chillin in a semi-hardcore survival game? Chillin

[olive idol]

I am not waiting 6 months for my PMC to recover

[normal patrol]

lmfao!!!! I meant for suspects

[tough spire]

Yeah baby. Port done.

[olive idol]

Hot Take: Realism shouldn't be a main focus, it should be immersion

[normal patrol]

7DaystoDie 4 me zombie base build chill and scav

[crude prism]

Based 7 days player

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message Ironman run finished in a day in a single shot. Yeah, new AI too easy.

[olive idol]

7 Days screams 2010's jank (I love it)

[normal patrol]

right. they gotta work on word choice and concepts. immersion, yes.

[crude prism]

Don't you want a face hitbox and accurate plate hitzones so you can get instant killed past your armor?

[stone bay]

That's gotta be the longest Early Access game that I know of

[olive idol]

that's just gameplay changes, it doesn't have to be 1:1 with real life

[normal patrol]

some of these older games are where its at 😛 no lie it wasnt more than 2-3 months ago I replayed r6vegas2 like hell

[olive idol]

State of Decay is fun AF

[normal patrol]

eternal early access. mods are awesome tho like the apocalypse mod big overhauls etc

[stone bay]

Ong I clocked at like 400 hours in that game before I discovered RoN

[normal patrol]

loved it wish it was better optimized I can never seem to run it smooth. or its super taxing idk.. I loved the idea but something was never right about the games, still played em both 😛

[olive idol]

the gore on SoD 2 is grody

[stone bay]

Never had a problem with SoD 2 when I played it and ran through Lethal Zone. Got GTX 1050 btw and i7 8th Gen

[frail quartz]

Yeah, it stands out among the other three entries in the series #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[normal patrol]

idk.. maybe I was running those games back when I had gtx960 b4 my 2080 upgrade

[stone bay]

Oh that's defo gon be an issue lmao

[olive idol]

Madness Project Nexus was a fun ass game

[normal patrol]

honestly I cant remember

[bright valley]

Project Zomboid

Since 2011

[normal patrol]

qwik sesh afk

[tough spire]

Zomboid was the first thing I ever backed on Kickstarter

[stone bay]

Damn now look at them

Defo might give it a try someday

[bright valley]

In PZ's defense, it's super stable and feature-complete for an EA game.

[tough spire]

Has some of the highest realism of any game. Has way higher gun realism than most games.

[olive idol]

PZ is the only game i've played to where it's semi common for the downfall of your survivor is caused by a bite to the groin

[normal patrol]

ffff me.. does anyone elses game crash when they shoot a civi that has a bomb vest i swear it was a mistake tho

[tough spire]

It's also the only game I've ever had a catastrophic failure caused by cooking bacon and forgetting to turn off the stove only to burn down an entire base.

[olive idol]

Microwave and metal is a underrated way to clear houses tbh

[bright valley]

I swear I've never seen this getting-riddled-with-bullets death animation before today.

[split egret]

I didn't know there was one

[olive idol]

it might be close to how pre 1.0, C2 caused your FPS to drop

[bright valley]

Totally unrelated to the PZ stuff but it's #👮ron-discussion after all

[olive idol]

this could be all of us RPing as LSPD cops in the locker room tbh

[tough spire]

RoN zombie mode: you have to arrest as many zombies as possible.

[mighty elbow]

why do you hate sig?

[olive idol]

My person in christ, that's 213 Park

[little kraken]

we fucking did it boys - s ranked valley of the dolls 😎

[tough spire]

With suspect count increased by 1,000%

[olive idol]

the company is not that good at quality control when it comes to their firearms

[frail quartz]

By "zombie" are we referring to the drug addicts or the 9-5 40 hour-a-week office workers running on 5 hours of sleep and 3 energy drinks?

[mighty elbow]

i LOVE THE ZOMBIE MOD MIND JOT SO SOOOOO SCARY BUT FUN

[olive idol]

what about a Marine off of 2 Zyn and 5 Ripits

[frail quartz]

I'm convinced you made up both of those words on the spot

[normal patrol]

I get a crash every time.. hmm

[olive idol]

it's true realism, when it goes of it kills both Judge and RoN

[normal patrol]

if you want people to respect ROE strap bomb vests to all civis

[olive idol]

New Game+

[normal patrol]

🙂

of all the guns they took out in Sniper or Not they had to go after the G36C.. why the hate?

As long as I get to keep my p90

[waxen grove]

Sooo

Game runs better or?

[olive idol]

but both of those are Base Game guns?

[olive idol]

it runs like a 1997 Honda

[normal patrol]

yeh but the mod thast unlocks guns replaces the G36.. i did get an Ak in exchange soo.. bad complaint

[waxen grove]

So update didnt fix performance

[oblique sail]

It did

[tough spire]

It improved performance, but nothing will fix slow hardware.

[olive idol]

run that shit on the lowest settings

[oblique sail]

It also fixed stuttering, it isn't perfect, but there is less of it. Much less

[waxen grove]

George, I have a 3070 with a 5600x. This isnt slow hardware this is poor optimisation

[normal patrol]

I got terrible framerates when I play fullscreen windowed but fullscreen fixed it

[oblique sail]

I have a RX 6600 XT FC OC and a 5600X, and it plays fine

[olive idol]

are you sure your GPU isn't on it's last legs?

[oblique sail]

On Epic

[normal patrol]

lock to monitor refresh. im 1080p 60hz

[tough spire]

My 1080 and i7 ran it fine at 2k.

[olive idol]

I have a fucking 1660 and I still clock 60 frames on Max graphics

[normal patrol]

try the fullscreen thing

[oblique sail]

Also you can try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9A5KTeqseQ

Not placebo or anything, but it may wary. It fixed 95% of the stuttering for me

And the new GPU options turned off, replay and self shadowing gave me a huge boost in performance in general, you still have SSAO and Shadow Casting without them

Be sure to apply this to the DX12 exe, not 11, and restart your PC

[olive idol]

why didn't void give a Balaclava choice on release?

Judge has the face only a blind woman could love

[tough spire]

You're gonna make enemies saying that, there's some thirst going on for some of our crew.

[oblique sail]

Anyone tried how it runs on Linux? I remember it had some slowdowns on specific areas while being super smooth on others

[olive idol]

that is how you make a IED my compadre

[normal patrol]

does crouching in RoN improve accuracy or stability?

[olive idol]

I mean it makes you a smaller target

[balmy sentinel]

How is the AI fixes?

they slightly less absolutely cracked now?

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[balmy sentinel]

pog

[tough spire]

Ironman runs are now a joke. But it feels a lot more satisfying to play in general.

[meager jolt]

Can't switch my weapons in loadout menu anymore. always stuck on ARWC.

[pine bough]

Tried verifying files? have any weapon mods for more slots or anything?

Mine hasn't updated yet, It's in an update queue but I'll be nuking all the mods installed before I launch after the update then add them back one at a time until something starts getting funky.

[meager jolt]

yeah i dont wanna have to shift through my mods because of this update but that might be the case.

[pine bough]

you don't have to delete them, just move them to a temp location and put them back into the folder one at a time, after each new mod re-added, launch the game and test for stability

[solemn cairn]

Oh do the suspect AI still have aimbot and wallhacks in the new update

Is it better at least

[static relic]

idk, i'm just modding the game as much as i can for funsies

[waxen grove]

Nope it’s only Ron that has the issues

[shadow fern]

Question, do you guys actually use “single file or double file” movement?

I don’t think I’ve ever used it, I keep forgetting about it too

[tough spire]

Yes but only because I'm a neurotic ArmA vet

Diamond and Wedge, too

[long dew]

did they broke their sound engine?

everything sounds like from behind

[shadow fern]

Do you find it effective?

I never used it but I hope it doesn’t reset after each action

[tough spire]

Circumstantially. It's rare it matters.

[shadow fern]

After fall in

[tough spire]

I should play around more and report back

[tough spire]

Okay now that I'm playing around with it - yes. It completely changes how they hug the map terrain

I need to be using it more

[olive idol]

okay, turns out that I can't change out my guns, fun

[shadow fern]

Actually good to know, if anything else it’ll cause them to shoot more instead of flagging each other constantly

[tough spire]

Diamond and Wedge ftw

[slender adder]

guys

the game is so fucking easy!!!!!

[bright valley]

How substantial are we talking here?

[slender adder]

dropping into ides is like taking a fucking piss in my backyard

I kill veterans like I'm pissing on that little hill summer ants have built

just fucking DEMOLISHED

[tough spire]

Given how tight quarters the game is, somewhat but not a ton? I was wandering around the 4U back diner and watching how the shaped around the dividers

[winter shadow]

Must be mod or something, when I installed some mod, it might broken the game

[olive idol]

it might have fixed my plates but fucked my gun

[amber dock]

Did you run gunfighter?

That could cause it

[olive idol]

The gunfighter I run hasn't effected it before

[amber dock]

Yeah, but it broke with the hotfix

[slender adder]

how do we feel about the game rn

[amber dock]

The author put out a patch on the mod page from what I’ve heard

[wispy mural]

Got that issue too, seem's like it is gunfighter.

[true panther]

played a bunch of pub multiplayer matches, maps like valley and relapse used to usually quickly turn from 5-man squads to 2-man squads and rarely did I see a full complete, now they can be speedrunned

you can go really fast in pub matches now. never would I thought I could get an S-rank on valley with a random lobby but I literally did 10 minutes ago, it was a crazy fast s-rank too

Also nearly got Port Hoken S-rank in 3 tries with the same lobby, we just kept missing evidence

[bold sky]

people back to complaining ai is pushover now

ez i guess

[hallow shore]

how IS the AI now as of todays patch?

havent had a chance to play it yet

[bold sky]

straight pushover

if you want a challenge you have to intentionally use garbage gun rn and run maps w better armored suspects

[hallow shore]

hm maybe youre just an expert at the game

I need a second opinion

[bold sky]

hell i peek an angle and my aim was so off and barely anything happened

[balmy sentinel]

first run on data center on new patch, peek the front door, 2 tapped immediately.

thank you RoN.

[bold sky]

yes i mean you go front door of data center what else do you expect

[hallow shore]

hmm so two conflicting accounts...

[bold sky]

a map where literally every entrance but the front is easy

you'll find the ai to be extremely bland once you play a bit

the old ai wallbanging was the only issue; they were fine

[hallow shore]

ok I will boot it up in a few to see for myself

[bold sky]

once you remember the map angles and your aim becomes second nature this bot is actually sad

[slender adder]

the game is way easier now

[hallow shore]

it just needs difficulty options at this point lol

[slender adder]

the game came with the no crack mod

[bold sky]

honestly its better off to play the game modded rn

always has been really; i dislike modio but mods in general kinda change the game for the better usually

actually no there are only a few good mods the rest are kinda trash

but non-modded pug lobby is guarantee teamkiller fest

[slender adder]

the worst part about this is I don't get to see people complaining about Ides no more

Ides complain posts are cool

[balmy sentinel]

ides wasnt even thr worst tho

[slender adder]

it's the first semi-harsh map and it gets complained about daily

[split egret]

Honestly, Greased Palms was so much worse than Ides

[balmy sentinel]

100%

[split egret]

Because it's Keyhole-o-clock

[slender adder]

it was

[balmy sentinel]

those sightlines were some ASS if you werent abusing them with a 4x

[slender adder]

but people got filtered by Ides the most

[bold sky]

worst map is farm just bc of the stupid lighting

the sun in farm is literally hiroshima level of brightness

i dont even hate farm suspects i just hate that playing that map gives me a seizure when i have to move outdoors just like irl

[fluid temple]

so I wonder

is raytracing still coming to the game?

[balmy sentinel]

i hate any suspect with an SA-58, G3 or FAL.

[unique forum]

Agreed

[bold sky]

i mean why would you hate them when rn suspects w 9mm do the same damage as them

unironically thats true even

if you wear kevlar then maybe thats a reason to hate them but ceramic is just better than kevlar w no downsides so no suspects caliber pen cera instantly

[fluid temple]

sorry for the ping but is raytracing still planned for a future update?

[inland wolf]

my harris AI keeps running straight at the enemy without firing his gun and proceeding to die

[scarlet copper]

don't think it ever was planned

[bold sky]

no way hunter hops off of raid shadow legends to insta respond to a random ping

[slender adder]

implement input buffer for semi autos please I beg of you

[wispy mural]

Alright well the AI seems to be a lot better now ngl

Performance is alright but the stuttering is terrible

[lofty gorge]

Is the hotfix live?

[hallow shore]

hmm its hard to say

I got a couple easy surrenders from perps wandering aimlessly

but one that did engage in combat was still able to wall bang me with accuracy

[lofty gorge]

Also how's new AI?

[hallow shore]

mixed results it seems

[strange depot]

Swat still needs clearing and covering improvements and I find the suspects to still be suicidal once shooting starts happening around the map

[wispy mural]

Methheads seem jittery and will half the time pull out a gun on you while surrendering and the teens at the gas station will usually comply peacefully

[strange depot]

But the suspects are much more fair in a gun fight when it comes to reaction time and accuracy. They fixed that bs finally

[bright valley]

Some players are pleased, others think it overcorrected into becoming too easy.

[lofty gorge]

Thanks gods

[strange depot]

I have a feeling hotfix 4 is going to heavily focus on AI. Both suspects and swat

[lofty gorge]

It was quite annoying, i remember Escape From Tarkov got similar issue few years ago "making AI challenging" meant "give them inhumane reaction time" for devteam.

[old scarab]

Can someone check #🎬ron-clips-and-media and help me?

[lofty gorge]

"Increased maximum surrender time for Suspect AI before considering leaving surrender state to take action (Also prevents suspects from considering leaving surrender state after witnessing another suspect being killed, or while surrounded by multiple SWAT officers)"

Thanks gods for that

[strange depot]

Yes they finally fixed all the suspects fake surrending when they already compliant

[hallow shore]

those are the sweatlords

[strange depot]

It got annoying trying to cuff them and they all turn suicidal lol

[lofty gorge]

They only enemy types i would understand to reach for handgun while beign surrounded by armed swat officers would be guys from nightclub/hospital

i mean according to lore they're middle eastern terrorist cell so they would more likely want to martyr themselves, but some common thugs on the Gas Station, Paid Security from Data Center/ Volk's or these poor kids from "Ends of the Earth" doing same thing? Man that was crazy

[bright valley]

Oh man, surviving head trauma after your helmet has been destroyed really fucks with your vision.

It fades out eventually, but geez, never seen the blur/distortion that severe before. It was the whole screen rather than the usual outside edges.

[thorn knot]

Bump

[bright valley]

No clue, unfortunately.

[old scarab]

how to adjust optic zoom?

[stone bay]

how do i open mic in ron

[stone bay]

I'd imagine that the Left Behind also fall into that category.

[molten finch]

Can someone please explain to me why sometimes when i yell at a suspect for compliance theyll up their gunn at me and when i shoot them i get "Unauthorized use of force"

[stone bay]

Because the rules of engagement are broken.

[molten finch]

so theres not anything i can do to be better about that i just have to take the points off?

[stone bay]

Unless you only want to run pepperball guns, pretty much.

Or install mods

[molten finch]

Im not running for S's yet im still very new and very ass at this game im just learning and im not trying to go crazy with mods while im learning the game

[stone bay]

Understandable.

[bright valley]

Perhaps? The Left Behind are definitely terrorist assassins, but The Hand specifically incorporates bomb vests into their tactics so I imagine the latter are much less interested in being taken in alive.

[molten finch]

This game is qute the challenge and every mission takes me an hour of restarting to get a good run where nothing goes wrong, gives me a new appreciate for SWAT guys

[stone bay]

Some of the missions are absolutely brutal. I spent a week on Greased Palms.

[molten finch]

Though i think if i could actually talk to the guys instead of using the mmb system (which is still quite good and im not discrediting the fine system that it is) i think it would be a bit easier

[stone bay]

Although I haven’t gone back to that one since the hotfix.

[molten finch]

Twisted nerve was my toughest yet i think im on ides of march, I havent even started a commander run yet this is all on practice

But that gives me more leeway and my guys mental health isnt in the shitter

[rich bobcat]

play and find out

[rich bobcat]

i can tell you

greased is easier (Still hard,but easier) after the AI change

[stone bay]

I found a mod that adds in different types of ammo, and since I’m now running an MCX chambered in .458 SOCOM that seems like the perfect map to try it on.

[rich bobcat]

vanilla here

[fleet plinth]

my friend was killed by sushi on hotel💀

[fleet burrow]

hows the update

[fleet plinth]

nice\

pink googles are very nice

and ai finally works

[proper badge]

How can I see the gun on table

[fleet plinth]

?

i dont understand

[proper badge]

By modifying it I mean

[fleet plinth]

i dont think you can

[proper badge]

It show the character and the background is too dark

[fleet plinth]

ahh

[proper badge]

Why they remove that

[fleet plinth]

i dont know

i think they should fix that

[proper badge]

I literally can't see the changes I make to the weapon because everything looks dark

[fleet plinth]

just check the ammo and you will see them

[fresh oxide]

love ur pfp

[fleet plinth]

❤️

[ionic jolt]

how have the devs still not fixed the forced mod restart for mod.io

no changes to mods > can't click no > have to restart

[fleet plinth]

i thought they fixed that

i dont have this problem

[ionic jolt]

i do

still

[fleet plinth]

oh

at leat the game itself is very nice 👍

[chilly hamlet]

if all my team has 320 flash launchers, that means i should have 12 flashes over all right? (4x3 ammo)... ? i dont actually get these many for some reason

when i use the menu the clear with launcher button greys out after 2-3 shots

[ionic jolt]

the game is nice but minor shit like that is annoying

hope they fix it soon

[fleet plinth]

i cant disagree

[hexed granite]

yes, i have this issue too. theres not much to fix it and im surprised they didnt address it, except its an undeclared balance thing

[ionic jolt]

the 🇬🇧 mother country approves of this game made by its child 🇳🇿

[slender adder]

I played and I'm just asking what this channel feels about it

[hexed granite]

overall good, but theres the little bugs that accumulate and intensify in the worst moment possible

[bitter mason]

Better than before, but still a ways off

[stone bay]

Well at least the Vanilla is playable now with LTLs

[glossy stirrup]

Ready or not finally fixed?!?!?!?

[stone stump]

of course not

[stone bay]

They flipped the other side of the AI switch

[glossy stirrup]

I managed to clear ends of the earth in 2 mins with the new update

[glossy stirrup]

Finally no more delta team crackhead suspects

[stone bay]

I like the new look of some of the women crackheads in Twisted Nerve

They look like actual dealers

[stone stump]

couldn't be more wrong. they still have crazy reaction times and don't really care about getting shot 20 times

[glossy stirrup]

All i played since the new hotfix is ends of the earth ill give other maps a try to see if the ai is still cracked

[stone bay]

I don’t mind it. What I hated about the old AI vanilla was their inhuman reactions and perfect accuracy through walls

[stone stump]

they still shoot you through tiny cracks if they have a chance to

[stone bay]

Yeah but you don’t die as fast now. They nerfed the wallbang damage

[stone stump]

i don't know about the through walls. i've never really experienced that issue

[glossy stirrup]

Well maybe not delta team anymore more like marine infantry now

[stone bay]

Good on you. You should see majority of the clips on ron media or game clips channel and see how ridiculous it was

[stone stump]

drunk CIA SOG maybe

[stone bay]

More like actual crackheads now and untrained guns

Haven’t touched the difficult maps yet as I’m playing through the entire game Vanilla. Well not fully Vanilla cause I need my brighter chemlights and surefire flashlights (brighter flashlight)

[broken mica]

lets go after 15 tries of twisted nerve i complete it and got a+

[stone bay]

Love your bio

Defo a canon event for Jack

[chilly hamlet]

ohh ok

[broken mica]

fr

[clear lintel]

this might be a dumb as hell question but who breaches first? is it alpha? (in swat ai)

[stone bay]

Depends on the breacher and what equipment you breach them with

C2, ram, breach shotty, depends

[glossy stirrup]

I was literally playing terribly like its cod on purpose and i only died to the last suspect on mindjot because my whole body was red so yeah id say the ai is vastly improved and better balanced now

[clear lintel]

yeah ok but like i dont like seeing my fellas keep swapping every breach

[stone bay]

You’ll get used to it. Try to mix it up like “Breach with Leader” so they don’t go in til you make your move

[glossy stirrup]

The swat ai is still slightly dumb tho

[clear lintel]

yeah i use breach w/ leader a lot because imo its a lot cooler

[chilly hamlet]

i wish your team mates would throw flashes further down into the room lol

[stone stump]

they(devs) really want you to see the switching instead of just swat doing it beforehand so it's less annoying

[glossy stirrup]

The ai feels alot easier compared to the final pre release version

[clear lintel]

fair enough

[stone bay]

Defo is easier than EA AI

[amber hearth]

God damn

[glossy stirrup]

Void finally cooked decently with this hotfix

[stone bay]

So you can really say “skill issue” now. Now that the AI is even easier than early access

[amber hearth]

Do AI mods still work because i want more enemies

[stone stump]

not yet

[amber hearth]

[stone bay]

Nah Void added new parameters for the AI configs or changed a lot of stuff

[amber hearth]

Can i roll back the patch for me because i use around 90 mods

I cant test every one of them...

[stone bay]

[stone stump]

no

[amber hearth]

[stone bay]

I just encountered a civilian wearing an explosive vest… on Greased Palms.

[stone stump]

you could download clean steam files from a certain website tho...

[amber hearth]

Ohh right ill try that

[lofty gorge]

Yes and no. Left Behind are vets who don't see other choice but i wouldn't call them fanatics like Quamadah. I mean if someone is cornered he can see no choice he might do it but in their mindset they fight for a right to live, targeting politicians or other members of corrupt goverment, unlike Quamadah who fights with the whole society and way of life killing random people from pure hatered. Maybe Female Cult would be closer to Quamadah but again, unless brainwashed they target specified people and they don't seem like they want to die for their beliefs.

[stone bay]

[amber hearth]

Happens with mods

Are there any india themed mods

How much should i pay for gun mod commission i need an INSAS

[stone bay]

Maybe a music replacement for the club at most. I wouldn’t know

[lofty gorge]

Happens in the Night Club mission, would be more hmm... logical if they put vests on civies you should disarm/and remove the vest just like stationary explosives

[stone bay]

He said Greased Palms

[lofty gorge]

Ah, i yeah, sorry. Well that's unusual

[stone bay]

I would tweak if they added a minigame when disarming traps, bombs and you could actually fuck up

[lofty gorge]

Oh no, minigames 😄 but yeah, actual disarming instead of doing Harry Potter stuff with a multitool could be cool

[deep rain]

Is there some info on the weapon's values someone can point me to? Surely someone must have looked at the data files.

[stone bay]

Not an updated one yet (since patch just released) as far as I’m aware but there is a spreadsheet for all weapons

[broken mica]

the ai are so stupid i swear, i shot a dude pointblank with a beanbag shotgun and my ai teamate just shot his head off for no reason

[dense pond]

average ai moment

[quaint palm]

No fix for bug inventory? :(

[clever cove]

what does element mean guys?

[clever cove]

it’s good enough for me, what’s your issue ?

[quaint palm]

Some weapons can't be used

[clever cove]

i think that’s intentional, been that way since early access. i believe they’re the supporter pass weapons

[stone stump]

outdated mods

[stone bay]

Literally your whole team

That’s why Judge says “element” when you scroll to the Gold command menu

[clever cove]

yes but what’s it’s like official definition, like how TOC means tactical operations center and whatnot

[clever cove]

yes, that’s why i came to ask. i could deduce that it means team but what else ?

[broken mica]

if im usiong beanbag shotgun is it worth it to use a gas or stinger gun

[stone bay]

From a basic understanding it means they’re just a part of a bigger team. Since normally SWAT teams are more than just 5 people irl, they are split up into teams called “elements”. That’s my basic understanding of it. Each element has a leader

[clever cove]

makes perfect sense, appreciate you!

[stone stump]

element is a word on its own, meaning "part of something"

[clever cove]

got it

[stone bay]

Also Gas is even more OP, now that you can actually see through it

Thank fuck

[deep rain]

is that a complaint that it is too OP?

[stone bay]

Nah the complaint was you couldn’t see through it before, but the enemies can perfectly fine and shoot you through the gas

[plucky sage]

Mhm, limiting the gas' opacity instead of preventing the suspects from shooting through a dense cloud of smoke sounds like a cheap fix to circumvent the actual problem.
On the other hand, I don't know maybe csGas doesn't form such thick blocking clouds after all in RL

[stone bay]

It doesn’t. A good example is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho1j_JfjUeI

[analog flare]

THE COFFEE MACHINE HAS SOUNDS AGAIN!

[plucky sage]

Idk, some of these clouds get pretty dense and considering it's outdoors the clouds would "stick together" even more inside a room or hallway.
But yeah, the video shows quite nicely how the distribution effect itself should ideally look like, right now it's just a poof and the entire hallway is smoked. VOID could take a look the smoke effects from Squad which would add quite a lot to the gas effect immersion and maybe even partially resolve the issue since the smoke distribution would be less even.
But after all, the old smoke effect was probably indeed way too dense and opaque

[plucky sage]

But now the coffee is gone

[analog flare]

coffee still there

[broken mica]

just got my first s on the gas station

[crystal sierra]

They actually fixed AI, or.... ?

[glossy stirrup]

Yes

[crystal sierra]

I just hope i will be able to complete Elephant on S now xD

[plucky sage]

Has anyone tested the 57 on the shooting stand since the update?
Continuous fire without any recoil control moves the gun upwards a bit and then it stops going up any further. Yet, all the bullet impacts are below the very first shot. I.e. gun moves upwards (way too little) and stops, yet the shots land lower and lower 😅😅

[glossy stirrup]

Id say its reasonable now, i ran mindjot to test it and i only died because i was playing carelessly on purpose and that was after i soloed 3/4ths of the suspects

[uncut nacelle]

First time launchin #3 Hotfix, Disabled per object shadows, dlss works normaly now. Set on Quality. No lag, stabile fps

[amber hearth]

Is this game pro or anti circumsicion

[zenith burrow]

Tf?

[stone stump]

both

[uncut nacelle]

new song in 23 megabytes? ;D

vibin in streamer room rn

[loud ocean]

is it just me or when i changed the voice of my character from judge (default voice) to navarre... i still hear judge's voice instead of navarre's voice.

[broken mica]

im so scared rn

my game isnt respomding to anything and last time this happened it deleted my save

[versed trail]

wttffff i cantt change my loadout. is it because the patch note????

[uncut nacelle]

Yeah, even if i didn't played ron in a while, quited when hotfix 1 wasn't even out. I can tell many differences, most of Hotfix 3.
AI Reaction time feels more slower, not like before, 1 pixel of your hand and they shoot u.
They are surrendering more, thinking about them lives.
Optimisation is good enough, Per-Object Shadows does magic. (RTX 3050 8gb, 2560x1440, Textures Epic, Shadows High, Rendering high. DLSS Works properly now.
Wallbangs are lil nerfed with damage that u take, u have enough time to think what u can do next etc.

I did first 3 runs in different missions, 23 megabytes/sec, Sinious Trail, Hotel.
Completed in first try without losing my AI Teammates.

[broken mica]

look in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[uncut nacelle]

w brain

[civic zinc]

they removed the ability to cuff suspects whose heads have been blown off by shotguns
i do not like this change, the comedic value was great

[near schooner]

idk how that is funny

sure they flop around weirdly but otherwise its not really anything special

its mostly on actual realism, like if his head is blown off, why the fuck would you need to cuff him

[bright valley]

It certainly made the AI SWAT look overzealous when they would autonomously run over to cuff headless corpses.

[amber hearth]

Violence is not funny wtf is wrong with you

[uncut nacelle]

it is

[broken mica]

SWLKT5y/l:[

[winter lake]

Also, this was the suspect accuracy value pre hotfix:
SuspectAccuracy = 1.0 ; Suspect Accuracy in Degrees (0.0f = Perfectly Accurate, 5+ = Can't really hit anything beyond 10m)

And this is what it is in hotfix #3
SuspectAccuracy = 3.5 ; Suspect Accuracy in Degrees (0.0f = Perfectly Accurate, 5+ = Can't really hit anything beyond 10m)

It does vary by level, this is just the global

For example, ends of the earth:

Pre hotfix:
SuspectAccuracy = 1.25

Post Hotfix:
SuspectAccuracy = 3.7

[uncut nacelle]

Nice

[ivory kiln]

Very nice

What an amazing game

[hasty ember]

Imma write a backstory of Judge unless it is already written

Done
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DVxjJo8Ih362aODpRuNwVsGRxnQccHD3tXiEKpk2no0/edit?usp=drivesdk

Rate it pls

[devout yarrow]

Does the swat ai take cover now when they get shot?

[civic zinc]

We liked the joke of "is he dead" "idk man it'd be better if we cuff him" while his head is gone

[old spire]

iv got so many mods lmao and iv downloaded them over ages but iv been messing around with some other guns and have just relisesed i cant click on some now like when i do it js opens the gun i have on atm any help or advice?

[near schooner]

Batman.

[uncut nacelle]

playin without mods like a chad

[old spire]

nah man i love my mods

[near schooner]

you are mentally unstable

[old spire]

fr

[near schooner]

without mods, game gets boring REALLL quick

[night pasture]

Gunfighter mod broke

[uncut nacelle]

stable

[near schooner]

fuck no you aint

[uncut nacelle]

only gunfighter

stable mf

[normal patrol]

we are already so super close, I cannot wait until they start to implement AI to come up with its own dialog and be more dynamic, so now you as a human player can taunt the enemy by voice have them understand and reply based on the situation. (You probably can't stop combat and ask it what the chemical makeup of cheese is...) Or (you can and it'll be a funny reply like "F your cheese!" .. the program will track your aggression and tone.. future is bright.. should've happened 10 years ago

[civic zinc]

I've been playing without mods since the patch

[uncut nacelle]

we both legends

[near schooner]

nah yall just hate happiness ( no offense, but i wouldnt play before patch 1.0 without mods )

[civic zinc]

I do like the sniper or not mod, and the g36 carry handle mod

But after hotfix 3 I'd say the ai is in a good spot

Now I just want to be able to use the G3 and M14 without mods

[mystic stream]

I think thats pretty damn difficult

and all that in just one video game?

thats easily a couple dozen extra gigabytes

[tepid sundial]

am i the only one who cant change the rifle in the loadout menu?

im trying to make a new loadout and it wont let me change my primary or secondary

[winter shadow]

You have mode with you?

[tepid sundial]

in terms of mods i only have gunfighter and 2 model swap mods

[winter shadow]

Maybe some of mod can break your game

I recommend delete it for now

[tepid sundial]

imma try that

ty

[granite hornet]

Is there workshop in Ron ?( in steam ) Like mod maps

[near schooner]

nuh uh..

nexus or mod.io ( i recommend nexus because it is the easiest )

[normal patrol]

the matrix demo has this they have this in skyrim vr

[strong cove]

Which gun did the HK416 turn into?

[stone bay]

mod.io is what messed up my ron files bruh

[near schooner]

the HK416

[stone bay]

still cant find where this mcx file is

[strong cove]

It's not in the game anymore?

Or am I tripping

[near schooner]

fym

[stone bay]

im pretty sure it is

[near schooner]

its stil in the game..

nothing got removed

[urban walrus]

GAsomething

[stone bay]

u thinking of the m4 or whatever it was before the mk18

[strong cove]

Ohh ight thanks

[granite hornet]

Guys should I buy Ron with its sale price rn or wait until it gets lower ?

[stone bay]

cause i know one gun got swapped over with the adam update i think

The game became way more enjoyable since the last update damn

[granite hornet]

Fr ? So do u think it’s worth to buy rn or wait till it get lower

[stone bay]

It's in a better state than the 1.0 first update so imo it would be okay to buy it now

But there are still some FPS drops

[dense ravine]

can someone explain to me how the ranking system works? i did all the objectives, had no negative modifers and no one on my team got injured

[stone stump]

team injuries don't matter, neither does the elapsed time. To get S rank you need to arrest everyone, do all the objectives (including soft ones) and no one can die. The rest is kinda all over the place

[dense ravine]

thats what i did though?, i have screenshot of it i can post

[dense ravine]

when you say no one can die, do you mean suspects as well? and if so i didnt kill anyone either

[quasi gate]

Guys, i'm hard at work getting all my content updated for my AI Mod Pack. I should have it ready by today. Stay tuned!

[stone stump]

yes, by "arrest everyone" i mean actually arrest, not just cuffing them

[dense ravine]

how do you do that exactly

[vestal mauve]

We don't even need ai mods anymore, the game will become piss easy

[shy dagger]

is anyone else unable to switch weapons for your loadout after the new update? or is it just me

[stone stump]

outdated weapons mods

[shy dagger]

i think one of my mods broke the game

[shy dagger]

probably. is gunfighter broken in this new update?

[stone stump]

basically making suspects surrender to not overcomplicate it

[stone bay]

Yes

[shy dagger]

damn, alright. thanks

[stone stump]

arrest is when the suspect/civilian is cuffed, on their knees and not dead or incapacitated

[shy dagger]

you can always use less-lethal equipment like tasers to pacify people

[round frigate]

Is this intended that replays are turned off everytime I launch the game even if I switched them on before?

[sour furnace]

what's the consensus of the AI tweaks from the hotfix?

[bitter mason]

thats probably a bug, they're off by default now so it may be constantly resetting it 😦

[bitter mason]

I like it, its better but ai is still a ways off for me personally
some people think its too easy now but I'd say most people are content with it

[sour furnace]

I'd like to see something done to allow for more "standoffs". Goin back and forth, time to decide to use your LTLs, and time for other AI to try and flank or ambush you. Also would just slow the pace of some of the really quick and violent levels like 4U gas.

Maybe ain't realistic, but seems to be the most engaging way they could tweak AI. Instead of highly deadly assassins and all.

[pearl shuttle]

I think it's good

[bitter mason]

definitely they still need more variety, they do often hesitate at the start of levels, but they will be less hesitant the louder you go. They just always will conclude the best option is to shoot you which is pretty one dimensional
I think it would go a long way for realism to have suspects be more varied and value their own lives more, especially for the more inexperienced petty criminals

[pearl shuttle]

But I only tried it on a custom map that uses the rogue Secret Service agents

[sour furnace]

Absolutely.

[pearl shuttle]

Already see people complaining that the AI is too easy now

VOID can never win lmao

[bitter mason]

yyyup

[pearl shuttle]

What's the best non-lethal loadout

I wanna get the Hawaiian shirt

[bitter mason]

I find the beanbag to be more reliable

pepperball takes 4 hits to stun

[pearl shuttle]

Should I just give all my AI team the beanbag shotgun

[bitter mason]

could try it, can always mix it up, I'd say pack a mix of cs gas and stingers maybe

ai teammates shouldnt kill suspects with beanbags now so they might be more useful haha

[amber hearth]

is no crack (whatever version) heart attack mod still works? i just need some mod increase suspect count

[bitter mason]

likely not, ai mods are broken after the update, you'll have to wait for the mods to be updated

[amber hearth]

mmm okay thanks

yay okay now i replaced most weapons with working mods

only m11, m45, tel 1911 i can't find anything works

[stone bay]

The new AI are definitely less instant death

[stone bay]

It’s because you can make mistakes, leaves door open the suspect will shoot at you but miss, which to me just seems better interaction than just dying to a gunshot

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah I like it

Got killed by the last suspect on Voll tho hahahaha

Skill issue on my part tbf

[stone bay]

It is easier tho I noticed it on soloing gas station.

I think they can solve the issue with a difficulty meter

But I think that will create empty lobbies and stuff

[cloud drum]

Did the new ai update actually fix the games ai or is it still god awful? Because if it is im not even gonna bother redownloading

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah it's fine now

Maybe a bit too easy?

[cloud drum]

Aint absolutely busted

Bet bro time to get on the S tier grind again

[pearl shuttle]

Nearly got an S rank until I let my guard down and got ambushed on Voll

Also the AI sucks ass with the beanbag shotgun imma just give them the VKS

[stone bay]

It’s been ok man just gotta really have good lobby. Communication is key and yeah I don’t run bean bag because I always aim for the head on instinct

[cloud drum]

Is pepperball decent again?

[stone bay]

They will still pop you a couple times if there gun is already up

But yah it works

Also running stingers is also good alternative to gas

[granite hornet]

I still haven’t bought the game but what to do after finishing all thw missions and how is it replayable

[amber hearth]

i made my first AI mod

i will try, i just 2~4 multipled sus count

[warped nacelle]

Yeah, it does seem a little bit too easy now

I'll keep trying it out but there's been a few times where I should have absolutely been downed but the enemy just didn't pull the trigger

[vestal mauve]

The replay is in getting S ranks, and playing with friends

[amber hearth]

oookay this is okay

around 20 suspect in streamer

[wet talon]

how to turn your gun to the side

[craggy yew]

Twist you arms

[royal sand]

their is a control option to toggle canted sight

its under interation in the control menu in settings

[median girder]

What do you guys think RoN does better than SWAT 4 currently?

[royal sand]

IMO pretty much everything

[native trench]

better before update

[earnest wolf]

omg I've just discovered how low you can get by crouched free lean and hitting S

this is game changing

[stone bay]

The game has enough to replay. Plus there’s a lot of different tactics play styles. Pistol only, less than lethal, taser only, idk lol it’s how you play

[granite hornet]

Yea I get u

[stone bay]

I play light armor not helmet for fun

[stone bay]

Only thing swat 4 has on RoN is the little things. Like tasing someone and they die due to them having a pace maker

[dense ravine]

so uh, i got an A+ that i thinks shouldve been an s rank

considering that the bar is completely full

[earnest wolf]

Did you incapacitate any of the suspects?

[dense ravine]

not to my knowledge

what i find odd is that the entire bar is filled however it also gave me a negative modifier for friendly fire of 0

[ivory kiln]

sinious trail still sucks

[uncut nacelle]

it always sucked

[hasty oak]

isnt this added with SEF

[dense quest]

Swat 4 also had more lore interactions

[quiet pebble]

yep

[dreamy garden]

Veteran perk 4 stack

They stand no chance

[craggy yew]

“Breach with a kick gas the room and clear”

The answer to any problem is gas

[frosty badger]

Is there any way to roll back to the previous build?

[amber dock]

What issue are you having?

[stone bay]

Don’t update

[stone bay]

I wouldn’t know but if there is mods for it then cool, it’s not in the base game still yet!

[frosty badger]

my 40+ mods is broken after i got this new update

[amber dock]

Is your weapon not switching?

[frosty badger]

Yes

[amber dock]

Download the new gunfighter patch

Also any ai mods don’t work except a couple newly updated ones.

[uncut nacelle]

played ron, legit got bored, nothing makes me interested in rn tf

[median girder]

Didn't Gunfighter just got updated?

[amber dock]

Yeah, from what I’ve heard atleast

[hasty oak]

environmental storytelling is so inconsistent in ron
great in some parts, others nonexistent

like, why around gas so empty. abandoned police cars

[stone bay]

Well they need better atmosphere that’s all

[hasty oak]

ye

[past elm]

I can def agree some stuff seems odd or out of place like that for sure. I think my only gripe with the story is they are taking you through different scenarios that can carry into other missions for the story. But I feel like there are some gaps if that makes sense.

It has enough to piece things together. But at the same time some of it is missing a bit of touch.

[cinder dawn]

is anyone elses swat ai not carrying out orders?

[opaque current]

Tips for Neon Tomb S-rank?

Running beanbags, CS and door wedges

[strange lotus]

why does the new update keep resetting the download and it 48gb and goes very slow. compared to another download if i swap download

[earnest wolf]

For me it was a reasonably small download then a huge change on disk

maybe try stopping it, clearing your steam download cache, restarting steam, then try again

[craggy yew]

Don’t let the suspects Kurt Cobain themselves

[opaque current]

The ones with the vest keep fucking me over

Just now managed to wedge the fuckers in the dance floor and then some dude 20m away killed me with a fashion device :)

[earnest wolf]

haha

[foggy urchin]

I use carefully placed c2 to stun them

[earnest wolf]

I don't dare use c2 on my S-rank attempts

[opaque current]

Also why does CS seem to have no effect on them

[crude prism]

The actual C2 blast radius is pretty small, but the morale effect zone is large

[crystal sierra]

C2 + Launcher Flash is god tier combo in terms of AI play, one of AI teammates will stand in front of an door and fire immidetly after the door is open :X

[opaque current]

Just had a suspect that wouldn't surrender while in CS, after getting C2'd and flashed. I also hit him multiple times and shot him with the beanbag. Couldn't do shit cos I have to take him alive and he had a fashion item.

[old spire]

iv dealeted all mods whenever i use any slot mods bc having defult 11 is a fucking joke but it dosnt work it dosnt let me change my armor or anything it shows a white box iv done it with every slot mod if anyone has a way to fix it that would help alot

[shy tulip]

You probably did not remove them properly, view the pins in #💻tech-support

[dreamy hatch]

How long are the timers on the bombs in hospital?

[small wren]

says on the tablet roughly how long you have

[old spire]

im so slow i cant find it in there could you ss or help me find it iv js had a scroll in pinned and cant find anything about removing properly

js gunna reinstall the game lmaoo

[dense quest]

I think they didn't have a clear vision of what they want. It's like they wanted you to experience truly being a swat officer (as in not make you feel like a protagonist in a story) but at the same time they add that port hokan interaction

[maiden hollow]

guys they added quest to the game but idk how it works like if im doing it solo (the quests) does it count? or i need to be online and if i do i need to enable mods?

[quick wadi]

so.. How's the update? Appart of slow-af to patch?

[muted star]

Good, AI feels way better

[stone bay]

Less not knowing where contact is coming from which was the main complaint

[ebon marten]

Way better in my opinion. Suspects react more slowly, flashbangs have more effect, gas effect last longer, suspects are slower and more susceptible to surrender. Untrained suspects now miss more often and are caught by surprise. It now feels like a SWAT game to me. But, it is still challenging, you gotta to play the mission until you find a strategy, but now is more doable. Trained suspects are still better and there is also the occasional crackhead. It is ok, because it is one of them, not all of them as before. Some people are complaining that it is too easy now, but I disagree. I think it is more grounded.

[stone bay]

I noticed when I was loadout testing in the corrections room that it looks like ballistics were totally reworked. Shots to the back of the head cause so much more damage now.

[ionic shell]

how can my AI mates use their pistol? They have no ammo but still shoot with it sometimes

[bright valley]

On the other hand, I can incapacitate 4U's suspects with a Five-seveN to the forehead in close quarters now, and that's a little strange.

[hasty peak]

HK416 vs MCX, 5.56 vs .300 blk. Who wins?

[foggy zinc]

Quick question but has gunfighter been totally fixed now or is the emergency patch still out?

I tried extracting the patch with winrar and it thought it was malware for some reason lol

[hasty peak]

fixed just downloaded it now make sure ure downloading the version with 7th feb updated

[dense quest]

MCX

[foggy zinc]

totally fixed up now?

[hasty peak]

yes just redownload basic p of 7th feb

i also redownloaded the other things in their latest version just to be safe

[uncut nacelle]

33 views new nice

[maiden hollow]

yo where to change character i did it like 1 hour ago but i dont remember wth

[foggy zinc]

MCX just looks cooler and sounds nicer unsupressed. Also has better animations.

[dense quest]

Change loadout -> customization tab at the top

MCX has better recoil and better bullets

Actually I think HK416 has bad recoil

[uncut nacelle]

aim issue

[opaque current]

HK recoil is fine, SR-16 is probably the worst decent AR.

By decent I mean not an AK or FAL

[ivory kiln]

416 all the time

[uncut nacelle]

glock

[astral warren]

300blk is my jam, I won't lie.

Also the MCX is chambered in 300blk, I'm pretty damn sure.

The MCX is a modular platform, so it can run 5.56 or 300blk.

[dense quest]

MCX is .300 in ready or not yes

[astral warren]

I thought so but the description in game doesn't mention it, you just have to check what kind of rounds you're taking with you.

[dense quest]

Yeah

[astral warren]

Also, you should definitely fire a 300blk out of a 223 remington rifle. 😎

[dense quest]

ARN, MCX and LVAR are all the .300blk guns

[astral warren]

ARN is really nice, it has SMG dimensions with superior stopping power to some of the 5.56 rifles.

Less collateral risk, too, since subsonic and fat.

[dense quest]

And for some reason .300 in ready or not is stronger than 5.56

[astral warren]

.300 is stronger to about 100 meters, I would say. .300blk is a 7.62 caliber projectile travelling just under the speed of sound, and it's a hefty boi.

[dense quest]

Stronger at penetrating armor at least

I'm pretty sure irl 5.56 is better vs armor

[astral warren]

Velocity isn't everything with armour, the inertia of the projectile is an important factor, as well.

I'm not sure about that, actually. I would have to see a comparision. I imagine it would be fairly close, given the much heftier projectile of the .300blk, even if it's travelling slower, should impart a comparable amount of energy.

Military ball ammo for 5.56 is what, like 45 grains?

[dense quest]

I never looked too much into it but I recall reading in multiple places that 5.56 is better armor penetrating

[shadow fern]

What’s the Lvar supposed to be anyways

[dense quest]

Just an integrally suppressed MCX but I believe it stands for something

AR being assault rifle of course

[astral warren]

300blk is roughly 125 grains, travelling at 2,250 feet per second, or 685 and some change meters per second. The 5.56 is 62 grains and is travelling at 2750 feet per second, or 838 meters per second.

I think it's lightweight something assault rifle.

[shadow fern]

Ah well sounds like lvar is the best

You get a free suppressor

[astral warren]

The integral supressor is very stubby, too.

[bright valley]

LVAW, Low Visibility Assault Weapon

[astral warren]

^ that one

It was on the tip of my tongue, thanks.

[dense quest]

Yeah if you like suppressors it's nice to have one without making a gun long

But ARN is not much longer with a suppressor anyway

[astral warren]

The ARN has the most recoil of the three, in my opinion.

But it's also the most compact, marginally.

MCX seems to have the most mild recoil, but has the biggest supressed length.

[dense quest]

I did extensive recoil testing (vertical) and it seems like MCX has the lowest followed by ARN

But they're all very close

[astral warren]

Oh okay.

[dense quest]

Not really noticeable

[astral warren]

I haven't used the lvar much.

Vertical recoil doesn't really matter to me, I'm more concerned about horizontal recoil, but that's more difficult to measure.

[dense quest]

But of course you can use brakes with ARN and MCX so you can make them have way better vertical recoil

[astral warren]

Brakes are for cars, not guns. 😎

[dense quest]

💀

[astral warren]

lmao

[dense quest]

Well yeah suppressors are way cooler

[astral warren]

Suppressors are cool until you touch them after running 3 mags through the gun.

[dense quest]

I'm bothered by vertical recoil more than horizontal so I'm enjoying brakes currently

[astral warren]

Huh, interesting.

[dense quest]

In game of course idk how I'd be irl

But I'm not very good with vertical recoil control

[astral warren]

Vertical recoil is predictable since you can just pull down, but horizontal recoil causes consecutive shots to deviate laterally, and horizontal recoil can move in 1 of 2 directions rather than 1 of 1 directions.

[dense quest]

Well imo none of the .300 guns have too much horizontal recoil anyway

[astral warren]

Yeah, they're very steady.

[dense quest]

Never bothered me

[bright valley]

I think it depends on the degree of horizontal recoil and the range you're expecting to fire at.

[astral warren]

I think the worst offenders for horizontal recoil are SMGs, which is sad because they already suck compared to all of the rifles, except maybe the 10mm mp5, it's able to hold its ground fairly well.

[dense quest]

But g36 is simply the best recoil gun in the game it's silky smooth (and has best optics)

[astral warren]

Interesting that the plastic gun has the least recoil, but okay.

[dense quest]

Yeah it definitely doesn't irl 🤣

[crude prism]

A bit late to the conversation, but the MCX will likely be changing to 5.56 as soon as they remember to do so lol

[astral warren]

😭

DON'T TAKE MY BABY!!!

YOU BASTARDS

[crude prism]

It was originally supposed to 5.56 and seems that whoever set the ammo type made them both .300blk mistake

[astral warren]

I don't think 3 300blk rifles is too many.

[dense quest]

It's technically not a mistake cuz MCX can run .300 irl 🤓

[astral warren]

I think there's too many 5.56 rifles, frankly, but that's a very common cartridge, so I can't complain too much.

That one ^

[crude prism]

Not at all, but it's just funny to have MCX and then MCX but copper in the same caliber

[astral warren]

If the MCX had its characteristics tweaked to represent that it was configured for 300blk to distinguish it from the other 2, I would enjoy that.

[dense quest]

Is any other gun in the game able to run .300 irl?

[astral warren]

Not that I can think of atm.

[crude prism]

.300blk glock coming soon near u

[astral warren]

But the addition of a honey badger would be a welcome addition.

I really want a 10mm handgun, ngl. I want the fed loadout.

I would be interested to see a "carbine" category of weapon added, as well. Pistol cartridges with a full length frame and barrel can be excellent for close quarters operations where collateral is a big concern.

Then again, submachine guns suck, and should probably be buffed before anything else.

Many recoil. Less damage output. I guess it's shorter??? Reloads are usually quick, at least.

[dense quest]

What's the use of submachine guns irl nowadays?

[stone bay]

There’s a mod that adds 10mm, plus a whole bunch of other ammo types.

[dense quest]

Do swat teams use them?

[fathom dune]

a 10mm is boring, when are we getting a 357mm

[crude prism]

"short and very quiet" not much use actually when pretty much every professional would prefer an sbr or the like nowadays

[astral warren]

Oh, cool! What is it called?

[astral warren]

357mm? That's... Um... A 14 inch projectile.

In diameter.

[fathom dune]

Mhm, small, quiet, perfect for swat use :D

[astral warren]

I don't think you want to shoot that.

Noisy cricket irl.

[stone bay]

“Ammo Pak”: https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3305

[fathom dune]

Well what else am I supposed to use on civs who make snarky comments?

[astral warren]

Thank you.

[astral warren]

The back of your hand to their cheek.

[fathom dune]

Meh boring

[astral warren]

Bruh

[fathom dune]

yee censor bot wack

[astral warren]

Just get rid of it.

[fathom dune]

frfr

[astral warren]

I guess I'll just use spaces in between, but then I'll get banned for evading a filter that is censoring what I'm saying even though what I'm saying isn't bad.

[round epoch]

the suspects arent all pulling out 15 pistols when I try to arrest them. its so blessed

[astral warren]

^ this shit made me so mad

It's like, how many handguns did you shove up your ass, man?

Do you need to go to the hospital?

[round epoch]

the taser nerf is sad but I dont need to tase each suspect 4 times so it works out I guess

[astral warren]

We'll see how the new AI is, I have not tried it yet.

I'll be back shortly with my thoughts.

[round epoch]

I have felt less aimbot through walls

but that could just be confirmation bias you know

[fathom dune]

They have a whole ass GTA weapon wheel

[dense quest]

Yeah I was thinking I haven't seen a swat officer with an smg in modern times

[round epoch]

I just like the 10mm round so I use the mp5 10mm every now and then

p90 is also an excellent choice for like an lmg analogue

[frosty frigate]

how's the AI balance changes for ya'll

[astral warren]

800lbs arsenal

[fathom dune]

lightweight

[frosty frigate]

i tried it and holy shit i can play the game comfortably again

played a few missions as 5 man group, was pretty fun n fair

ofc you still get punished for mistakes but you dont get shredded through walls

[round epoch]

its sad some of my friends didnt play when the ai was cracked

[ivory kiln]

i did brisa cove in 5 minutes

[round epoch]

they will never understand the struggle

[frosty frigate]

yes and friendly AI wont kill suspects anymore with beanbag so doing an S rank is easier again

[ivory kiln]

even carriers of the vine i did first try

i needed no crack to do that mission

[dense quest]

I won't update yet cuz I'm in the middle of another playthrough and I wanna finish it with cracked ai

[stone bay]

I got flanked on the 23 Megabytes side staircase by a suspect and two civlians, which has never happened before.

[round epoch]

bro I just saw a civ punch a suspect

[foggy zinc]

SO TRUE

they flank you super aggressively now but they aren't as lethal as before

like i spawned in once in 23 megabytes AND WAS ALREADY GETTING SHOT AT FROM THE FRIGGIN RIGHT BALCONY

LIKE WHAT

[tawdry nymph]

so

what are some mods thats good for RON?

[foggy zinc]

so

[astral warren]

ADS zoom appears to stop functioning after opening the objective tablet and holding TAB to zoom in on it. I did change my FOV during the play session because of how ADS zoom was changed, so I'll see if it happens again, or not.