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[zenith trench]

elaborate death animations, I love it

[carmine moon]

that's not even close to the same map though

[shy tulip]

It is the new hotel

[zenith trench]

nevermind that was Sins

[earnest wolf]

I'm on sins atm

[vestal crag]

Which version provides better performance, dx11 or 12?

[earnest wolf]

keep losing both members of my 2 man splits in the corridors 😦

[earnest wolf]

depends on your PC, but if it's relatively modern try 12

[vestal crag]

Senk you

[earnest wolf]

welcome

[stone bay]

Mine performs better on DX11 cause I had it since 2018

[earnest wolf]

vintage PC

[stone bay]

Laptop actually

[earnest wolf]

even better 😄

[stone bay]

A very low end one

They got some of, if not, the toughest armor in the game so yeah they don’t go down easy

[earnest wolf]

.45 is really not good against armour

[zenith trench]

That explains it more, I saw em in that silly little vest and thought it'd be like, level 1 or 2

Apparently not lmfao

[stone bay]

Nah those webbings are no joke

They’re fucking difficult to kill

[earnest wolf]

that does explain how they keep killing my AI buddies

[maiden wing]

whats the most powerful Assault Rifle does anyone know? Or are they mostly the same

[zenith trench]

Step 1. Primary ammo
Step 2. Full auto

The Left Behind doesn't want you to know this one simple trick

[earnest wolf]

it's the first time I've left them posted up covering an angle and an enemy kills them coming from the exact direction they're watching

[stone bay]

SA-58 since it’s a shortened FAL. 7.62

[maiden wing]

Okay

[stone bay]

Just be weary of its recoil cause damn it kicks hard

Not a problem for the SWAT AI tho

[earnest wolf]

yeah I prefer the .300 guns

[stone bay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973 here’s a spreadsheet of a lot of things in the game if you guys are interested. Especially the type of enemies, weapons they use, armor they use per map

[maiden wing]

Any British trying to do Ides Of March with me ?

[stone bay]

It’s in the Pinned messages in this channel but I just copied the link

[earnest wolf]

that chart is really cool

ty

lol at the MPX entry

[frail quartz]

They did it so dirty 😤

[earnest wolf]

I only started with 1.0. Didn't get to see its glory days

[stone bay]

Everybody hates the HK-416. But I still use it wholeheartedly

[stone bay]

It’s prolly my favorite rifle in the game

[earnest wolf]

interesting. I've not tried it - I'll give it a go

I've been using the LVAR quite a bit

[glad sedge]

Anyone want to do relapse? I am trying to get at least a b

[stone bay]

The recoil will defo be the reason you find out why a lot don’t use the 416

[maiden wing]

AI team are fucking useless lmfao

[earnest wolf]

lol

[stone bay]

Coin flip every time. Either they cheat against the suspects or don’t return fire and just accept Death as their saviour

[vestal crag]

Any ideas why I cant change ads settings? want shoot on rmb and ads on lmb but i cant switch ADS for some reason

[earnest wolf]

seems a bit backwards for the 416 to have worse recoil than the mk18

[stone bay]

The only time I really hate its recoil is when you put a suppressor on it. It kicks a lot. But attaching a brake helps make it more controllable

[frail quartz]

Yeah, the recoil system is still kinda fucked

[maiden wing]

ive just made a friends only lobby and im going solo lol ai does nothing they just stand there either shooting me or dont do nothing at all

[earnest wolf]

I just tried both the mk18 and 416 full auto in the range. They both kick a fair bit, but the 416 is all over the place 😆

[stone bay]

[stone bay]

I never really full auto on any weapon that isn’t an SMG. So I guess that’s why I love the 416

[earnest wolf]

to be fair, nor do I on missions. At least not when things are going well

[stone bay]

Sins of the Father suspects deserve to get full auto’d

Fuck their armor

[earnest wolf]

haha yep

[civic zinc]

i love the FAL

it vaporizes your target and the 2 civilians behind them

[stone bay]

With great power–

[civic zinc]

you call it collateral damage, i call it missing bodycam footage

[stone bay]

“TOC… I fucked up… “

[civic zinc]

that only happens if you kill someone who is cuffed

[stone bay]

Bold of you to assume there will be people left to be cuffed

[civic zinc]

i love hearing the ai clearing a room in the background on farm and then the game hits me with the
Objective Failed (Arrest Eve Nader)

[faint spade]

LFG groups, A-S TIER player any1

[stone bay]

NEEDLESS TO SAY I KEEP HER IN CHECK~

[civic zinc]

also im just waiting for the day i accidentalyl tell the ai to open a trapped door and they get fucking nuked

[stone bay]

Better if you breach it blindly

Without checking

[maiden wing]

swear they just auto know theres a trap? Or they try open it and it shows theres a trap

[stone bay]

Won’t stop me from giving them commands that’ll lead to their inevitable demise

[civic zinc]

some day ill tell my whole squad to open a door and clear without realising it was trapped

[stone bay]

That's the beauty of some AI mods that add randomized traps on any map. Even if it doesn't make sense lore-wise. But I like a change of pace every once in a while

[astral warren]

.45ACP is awful at penetrating armour. It is fat and slow, which are the two things you don't want a bullet to be for defeating armour. On the bright side, when suppressed, it's very quiet since the round is subsonic.

[astral warren]

This is also funny on 23MB/s, except Michael.

[stone bay]

What's a Michael? I only know M I L K Y T O E S

[maiden wing]

only other thing that i dont like as much is movement speed.. Like come on now ahaha

[stone bay]

Gunfighter mod and just get the movement file if you don't want the other features

[tepid blaze]

I wish I could make my guy run into cover if I'm caught out in the open. Instead I have to low ready jog while taking full auto fire lol.

Think you'd get just a little pep in your step.

[shy tulip]

Maybe don't get caught out in the open

[astral warren]

This would be a valid suggestion if suspects couldn't run at the speed of sound.

[frail quartz]

The movement speed hasn't bothered me as much during 1.0 as it did before for some reason

[astral warren]

I think the maps are adjusted to the movement speed a little better.

[stone bay]

Probably got used to it

[astral warren]

Hallways are generally narrower, and doors are ususally clustered together so that you don't feel like you're playing a walking sim as much.

[frail quartz]

The only time I'd consider the movement speed to be inconvenient during gameplay is backtracking but that's it

[astral warren]

^ this primarily

[stone bay]

Backtracking but it's the hospital

[astral warren]

I hate hospital so much

Too much walking.

[maiden wing]

im doing highschool solo rn ive just completed it need to get the civs and im done

[maiden wing]

faster and easier than with shitty AI team

[rocky plover]

ye at least let us use the elevator when bring order to chaos is achieved XD

[astral warren]

How are sick and injured people meant to traverse that labyrinth?

[shy tulip]

On stretchers

[stone bay]

THe things I would do if we could drive the Bearcat

[shy tulip]

I went to a VA hospital recently, and damn I got lost really fast, didn't think about RoN though.

[rocky plover]

hahahaa

[astral warren]

Hospitals are designed to be confusing, I swear.

Courthouses generally all have a similar layout, but not hospitals, what the fuck kind of sense does that make?

Is it to keep the crazies from escaping?

I don't get the joke.

[stone bay]

Crazy? I was crazy once.

They locked me in a room.

[astral warren]

a rubber room with rats?

[stone bay]

[astral warren]

I want there to be a RoN level where there's a massive riot in a mental asylum, that'd be neat. I want to be stabbed with a sharpened toothbrush, that'd be awesome!

What would be extra funny is if some of the twisted nerve suspects that survived your mission there reappeared a second time.

[stone bay]

Good. Give me a reason to get active

[astral warren]

lol

[frail quartz]

I always wondered if it would break the balance too much if they added a 'jog' that let you traverse the map faster but also had a long ass cooldown between slowing down and being able to use your weapon again so players would only use it in areas they know they've already cleared

[tough spire]

Preach

[zenith trench]

Swear to christ I'm gonna kill my teammates if they keep gagglefucking me

[stone bay]

It defo wouldn't hurt having just a slight speed boost when you get shot at no matter how heavy the gear

Unless you're just a full on juggernaut

[rocky plover]

ye or similar to how GB does it, the less stamina the more arm sway

[frail quartz]

I mean, like I said before, I never imagined this sprinting system being used during actual combat

[tough spire]

Honestly a panic sprint that you absolutely cannot shoot accurtely or function with for a moment of time after/during would be great to avoid when you're getting suppressed.

[stone bay]

That should be the one suspects have, but instead they get even more accurate while moving

[tough spire]

Yeah the run and gun is badly in need of a-fixin'.

[rocky plover]

😂

[main lodge]

hey guys

[frail quartz]

I guess you could probably use it to quickly dash behind cover, but it's kind of a high-risk move since you may be out of the line of fire, but the suspect may charge you whilst your character is defenseless from recuperating from the trauma of needing to use their legs

[main lodge]

what are your connections like?

[tough spire]

Wdym connections

[main lodge]

i just wanna know for reference to see if it's the game or me and my friend

[main lodge]

when you are online does it feel like Judge is having an anurism and his brain is running at 1fps?

[tough spire]

No...?

There's some generic latency lag from time to time but nothing persistent and nothing I'm not used to being only on wifi

[main lodge]

ah okay

it didn't used to be like this for me

could it be the new updates unoptimising the game?

[tough spire]

Check your internet connection stability?

[tough spire]

Haven't noticed any changes whatsoever on this regard

[main lodge]

okay it's just my shite modem then

could be the shitty british weather fucking our connection in the ass

[earnest wolf]

Woohoo. Finally completed Sins of the Father and got an A rating 🎉

[tough spire]

YO congrats. I struggled with that one

[earnest wolf]

Thanks 🙂 took me a load of attempts, and a whole lot of wedges

[civic zinc]

door wedges are my favourite piece of equipment just because it simplifies how you approach rooms so much

[tough spire]

Wedges are your friend especially when you're playing with AI or a small team

[brittle swan]

congrats

for me its always that last guy who decides to die right at the end

[earnest wolf]

Thanks. Just ate a big load of crap on my first try of the NEON mission 😄

[maiden wing]

fixed my frames lol im running 260-300+ now without drops

[tough spire]

Was there a setting you found that helped a lot?

[maiden wing]

dx12 and just messed around with settings really

[formal brook]

guys whats more devastating in close quarters, buckshot or slugs?

[earnest wolf]

buckshot. Slugs are generally for reaching out further or penetrating

[stone bay]

Buckshot for sure

[formal brook]

ok

ive tried both in twisted nerve and it got me my highest score yet so i was wondering which did it

[earnest wolf]

nice

IDK if slugs do the same, but sometimes with buckshot there's not enough suspect left to cuff

[tough spire]

(I don't think you need to worry about cuffing at that point)

[earnest wolf]

lol

[shy tulip]

Shotguns are so good

I kinda hate how good they are because they don't leave fake arrests

[earnest wolf]

yeah they make it harder to get arrests in general i find

can't pop one in the leg if they decide to pull something after surrendering without making them stumpy

[stone bay]

I saw one video recommend you shoot them in the pelvic area, no idea if thats true though

[shy tulip]

depends on the map

[earnest wolf]

true

[shy tulip]

You can actually get arrests if you shoot them in the armor with buckshot

[tough spire]

This is where all the veterans with prosthetics in Brisa come from. 😐

[shy tulip]

I think I got a B or an A on Ides like that

[earnest wolf]

lol

yeah that's true about the armour, hadn't thought of that.

[stone bay]

I wonder if those have hitboxes now 😹

[tough spire]

Simple joys in life, folks: Going through replays so I can find a good screenshot of all my team dead in a hallway for this Brisa guide.

[hardy falcon]

maybe its just because im this world's #1 wedge user, but brisa cove was actually one of the easier missions imho

[tough spire]

That is basically what I'm hoping to drill into people with this. LOL

[frail quartz]

No, I am!!!

[tough spire]

Neither of you clowns named yourself after the wedges, calm down.

[shy tulip]

I don't even have to wedge on that map, you just have to know generally what areas to flow into and keep in mind how the AI will react

[whole hedge]

Not wedging on brisa is just a stupid move. You can flow however you want, the RNG spawns can still get Marines to come out of doors at the worst time possible

The smart move is to rush through the corridor and wedge entries you want to breach later

[tough spire]

You absolutely don't need to wedge it, but it's the most common newbie trap I've seen on this Discord so my guide is helping folks learn how to set themselves up for future successes by learning combat flow control.

[whole hedge]

Newbie trap?

I guess i'm a newbie in that case

[tough spire]

I mean, if you are good at maintaining a good 360 you don't need to wedge ever. But it does require you getting good at controlling your AI team etc.

[tough spire]

Not if you've beaten it!

[whole hedge]

Why put in the random factor? We both know that the ai tends to break from time to time, or don't even react to anything

[tough spire]

I don't find my AI "breaking" that often on me with the degree that I've learned to micromanage them. But not everyone wants to play that way. I prefer to wedge when I'm at that level on my Ironman runs.

[whole hedge]

I mean, i consistently run brisa around 5-6 mins with an A rank (so yeah i kill too, not a fan of less lethals) , and in my opinion, wedges are the best "i control where i assault" tool.

I mean the ai tends to clip through wedges doors very rarely, but the ai swat breaks way more often

[tough spire]

What I meant by "newbie trap" was that I see the most new players getting stuck there. At least twice a day someone comes in asking for advice on how to beat Brisa. Then Greased Palms but everyone hates that one.

[whole hedge]

I envy your luck, when i have to tell them 3 times to breach and clear, i just go in blind instead.

[stone bay]

The SWAT AI tweaks a lot more often now than before. You know when you tell them to clear a room and one just stays there while the other starts roaming around somewhere?

That shit started happening a lot more often now

[whole hedge]

Greased palms is easy if you go in by the right warehouse entry after cleaning the left outside area first. Most people do the mistake of charging in from the front, that's basically a death trap

[tough spire]

I love the "I'm going to stack up by going the long way around the map to find my position on the door" 🙃

[stone bay]

Yeah idk what causes that. I mean it was alr happening to me before. But now, it’s happening a lot more often

[whole hedge]

I'M confident Void will never figure out the AI. They had like uh 3 years now?

[tough spire]

I mean it's a heckuva lot better in 1.0 than it was before. I have faith.

[whole hedge]

That's only true to swat ai

Suspect AI is as bad as it was during the early access release

[tough spire]

Yeah it broke in some ways but they also significantly increased functionality that wasn't there previously so of course there's gonna be hitches.

[stone bay]

Yeah suspect AI has never found the right balance

[whole hedge]

Yeah and thats how it always were. Adam improved the suspects by a lot, made swat way worse. They always mess something up

[stone bay]

They overbuffed the suspects in exchange of less dynamic behaviours

They barely hide in closets or beds anymore

[tough spire]

Such is AI development.

It's always awful. lol

[whole hedge]

Ready or not takes the cake though. 3 years of pain. It's naive to think Void will ever do anything decent about it, we just have to live with it.

[tough spire]

I spent a bunch of time working on custom AI for ArmA and had so many behind-the-scenes coding cheats where it was like "no, this person just cannot exist anymore if they keep doing this behavior" etc.

Eh. RoN isn't a major developer. It's not reasonable to expect them to be as fast as something more experienced and larger.

[stone bay]

I guess that’s why I prefer testing out different AI mods. 1 ofc is to nerf the Terminator-Wick suspects, but 2 is mainly cause I’m looking for dynamic behaviours. I want them to do more and not just gun for me, fake surrender then pull a gun

[tough spire]

Nowhere is that more clear than the amount of AI-generated content they've used to speed up their own development times.

[whole hedge]

Thank god, it was an awful feature as it was implemented.

Everyone believed it will be like Modern Warfare, where they shoot at you from under the bed. Instead they just hid there, moved out and started moving again once they finished their climb out animation.

So the less they hide under stuff, the better. It wasn't a dynamic engagement, it was a weird hide and seek, literally

[stone bay]

Yeah it was funny knowing a suspect is under the bed or in the closet and you just sit there waiting for them to submit

[tough spire]

The hiding mechanic has some awesome potential eventually. Eventually.

[whole hedge]

Yep lol
A half assed, waste of a feature. At least it exists.
Void forgot they promised "off duty officers on calls", not even long ago

[stone bay]

Yeah I remember that as well

Won’t be dressed in gear and stuff

[tough spire]

I was playing with some newbies a couple days ago and we were doing Park Slope and they "cleared" a room on their own and I had to walk them back into the room and was like "y'all this ain't clear," and flashed my light at the dude hiding under the bed.

So it's not worthless right now. But it's very lacking. lol

[whole hedge]

Yep, would have been amazing, but i guess that's one more thing they never managed to figure out.

I'd rather had them not even mention it at all

[stone bay]

They will never see the suspect unless they free lean to the side + downwards or step back and see if something is unusual in a bed

[tough spire]

I could see him clearly from the hall as I was entering. It was very funny.

[stone bay]

Or you know…

[whole hedge]

I mean it was clear. The dude under the bed wasn't a threat. He was just a hardcore hide and seek roleplayer. At least he spawned in. Sometimes they enter the void

[stone bay]

Gas the room…

[whole hedge]

When a suspect hides in a closet, despawns, and after 20 minutes, spawns inside literally inside a toilet. Only in Ready or Not

Most annoying park homes mission ever. It was my first S rank there so i had to actually roam an empty map for 20 mins

[stone bay]

If we had the old farm map and I had newbies, I would 100% take them there all day

[tough spire]

Gas is your friend.

[whole hedge]

That map was basically a killhouse , speedrun map

since it lacked randomisation

[shrewd oriole]

SWAT AI should automatically switch between low and high ready when needed.

[stone bay]

Yeah especially the Raid gamemode. Fucking 20+ suspects

[whole hedge]

It has it's disadvantages in 1.0

Ai can perfectly see through and wallbang through gas

and smoke too

[tough spire]

One of the nice things about closet hiding being rare is how high I jumped when I opened a closet and immediately got stabbed by someone hiding inside of it

[whole hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEWlv_ECKak

Don't use screen obscuring gadgets guys, until they sort this out.
Might not happen all the time, but its enough if it happens once to totally kill your mood to play the game

[stone bay]

Never a problem if you alr know the distance the gas can cover. If you know it won’t reach, then just flash/stinger launcher

[shrewd oriole]

Also trailers should become an actual gameplay element. So instead of killing all the suspects, arresting every civilian but one then having to go on an exodus for the last guy, only to not find a single piece of evidence, as soon as you get chaos trailers comes in, arrest civvies, grabs evidence, and drags people out.

It'd make the gameplay loop much more enjoyable

And also it should be for all gamemodes, multi-player included.

[whole hedge]

They are great mimes , that alone is a 10/10 feature

[stone bay]

You love to see it

[tough spire]

To be fair to that security guy that is exactly where I'd turn and shoot if I heard someone tossing a grenade out that door

[livid notch]

but that would require changes in scoring system - why should I care about securing guns or civies, when trailers do the job for me?

[whole hedge]

Or do they actually carry stuff on your end?

[stone bay]

Pinpoint accuracy wallbangs

[whole hedge]

This almost sounds like you defend the current ai

[tough spire]

I defend a lot of it. Not all of it.

[shrewd oriole]

You get civvies as you go do it's shorter. And people barely grab evidence anyways. So what does it matter. And not effect those who don't care

[stone bay]

That’s why I want more dynamic behaviours. Maybe give them idle animations?? Chillin, sitting or whatever if they don’t know we’re around

[whole hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or3sxh9Q1ys

And this dude was a pro CS:GO player with 0,1ms reaction time, where he ascended to the point of moving beyond human reaction?

Or he's a cyberpunk merc? lol

Ok, i go with the merc

[livid notch]

your point is valid except one case - going for S rank

[whole hedge]

That's actually pretty cool. Now we just need the trauma team skin pack back

[frail quartz]

The animations being so snappy and having little to no transition between them probably doesn't help either

[stone bay]

Ong

[shrewd oriole]

It'd fix how S rank is so annoying at the end

[tough spire]

RIGHT?

[whole hedge]

That was a thing before 1.0. One more thing that was botched with the "official release"

[frail quartz]

I think the most recent newsletter mentioned "worldbuilding" idle animations

[whole hedge]

I hope it's something like: "we fucked up, we implement them back guys"

[frail quartz]

But yeah, it'd be awesome to randomly find a suspect on a smoke break

[tough spire]

Yeah that seems mostly like an animation problem, like Booper said. The person did just quickly facecheck a defending enemy. A pro CS player should know better.

[whole hedge]

Not even a pro CS player could outreact that

Not likely

[tough spire]

My point is a "pro" CS player should never be facechecking that stupidly.

[frail quartz]

I never said it was the main problem, just apart of it

[tough spire]

But yeah the animation time on the draw was absurdly fast

[stone bay]

sKiLl iSsUe

[whole hedge]

Absurdly fast? Why are you so defensive ? It was 100% broken bullshit, let's call it for what it is lol

I love it though, that our swat ai teammates can't pull off anything like that

[tough spire]

Naw. I'm never gonna call 100% BS on something another human player could easily do to you.

[whole hedge]

They tend to shoot you in the back of the head though

[stone bay]

Fock

[whole hedge]

Find me 5 people here, who can flick shot that fast in 1 hit.

[tough spire]

I can. lol

[whole hedge]

Ok, name them and show it

[tough spire]

No, I mean I can make that shot.

[whole hedge]

So you can shoot something in like 0,3s without knowing it's there and it will pop out?

while having your weapon lowered?

[livid notch]

I've found once, that suspect was pissing in corner, but thats it

[shrewd oriole]

I used to play a lot of CS and games likes that and my flickshot can be CRAZY ngl. But ai is still bullshit

[stone bay]

Won’t hold my breath but ey I’m here to support the game when they slowly start fixing things. Hotfix by hotfix. Patch by patch. Major updates by major updates

[tough spire]

Scout lyfe

[stone bay]

Cause I fucking love RoN’s gunplay

[crude prism]

this vid sucks as a point for reaction times. It's an issue with animation blending more than anything

[whole hedge]

I mean we already waited 3-4 years. What's another 1-2

[frail quartz]

If the moment the suspect started moving as the same moment they first noticed the player, I'd say that's pretty bullshit

[livid notch]

100 ms reaction vs "human player can easility do" 😄 😄 😄

[shrewd oriole]

Nah suspect AI is dog water as it is

It needs some major changes

[tough spire]

If we fired up a multiplayer game, set ourselves up in the same positions and you ran out in the open like that guy did and I was sitting where the AI was you'd be absolutely toast.

[frail quartz]

🍿

[stone bay]

Yeah I heard from a lot of the older players. I’ve only been playing since the Adam Update just before December

[whole hedge]

THE AI HAD ITS BACK TURNED

You wouldn't toast anyone in the same situation

[shrewd oriole]

In 100ms? Or the fact they're supposed to be random ahh criminals not people on a mouse and keyboard.

[tough spire]

Uhhh the video you sent the AI does not have its back turned.

[whole hedge]

I'm starting to believe, that George M is some hidden CS 5 times champion major

[crude prism]

The guy is within the AIs LOS for nearly a full second before being shot.

[whole hedge]

Or talking out of his ass

[tough spire]

This.

[livid notch]

even if 100ms is in high ready state - it's still bullshit

[frail quartz]

But was the moment the suspect started moving the same moment they first noticed the player?

[whole hedge]

Btw, Void doesn't need to touch the ai, they can just give us back the PVP beta sprint function instead. That would solve a lot

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects are perfectly accurate at all times.

[frail quartz]

If they had noticed the SWAT as soon as they went into the LOS then yeah, I'd say that's an animation issue, but there's nothing implying that here

[tough spire]

I'm literally like Silver in CSGO it's not unreasonable.

[livid notch]

yes it is 🙂

[whole hedge]

I was a global, so sorry, but i take it with a grain of salt that you would be pulling perfect shots like that unexpected.

Unless you meant "Currently" silver. Because i believe i am too with CS2

And now i'm reminded that Valve just nuked all the achievements of GO for no reason at all

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects should always hesitate slightly before shooting, despite stress. At some point stress should make accuracy worse for sussies.

[stone bay]

Yeah. Wallbanging has never been an issue for me. But their accuracy, reaction time, time to kill is defo absurd

[whole hedge]

Couldn't they have made a separate client?

[crude prism]

If you go instead from the first frame the AI shifts, it's 680ms. If you go from the first frame the player is exposed beyond the edge of the truck, it's around 950ms

[livid notch]

meth junkie on withdrawl would have still reaction on the level of healthy, rested and fairly young gunslinger - sounds legit

[whole hedge]

The only suspects i would accept unreal shots from are the Tier 1 operators on Hotel

[crude prism]

I agree it's too fast for target identification and acquistion from a resting stance. But to call it 0ms is INCREDIBLY misleading and doesn't help the point

[whole hedge]

They are supposed to be better than Swat

[tough spire]

If the bot was animated in a way that he looked like he was actually actively covering that position with his rifle I don't think this would ever be called into question. It really just feels like presentation problem.

[frail quartz]

You mean the time between the suspect moving and starting to shoot is 680ms?

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects are secret agents on a mission to always shoot at police.

[livid notch]

and even then this shouldn't occur every time

[whole hedge]

I mean aren't they Delta/Green berets? Realistically, the D platoon shouldn't even stand a chance , especially when they are outnumbered

[crude prism]

Yes. From the first frame the suspect moves to the first shot, it's around 680ms to turn + raise the gun

[whole hedge]

But Judge is built different

[shrewd oriole]

Also they're still people, the special boys on sins of the father.

A normal person isn't cranking 90s after getting shot in the chest to do a t-bag on swat.

[livid notch]

lore is not specifying from which branch are they - in Clemente Hotel there are Secret Service agents gone rogue

[crude prism]

Also, it's been said by Void repeatedly that the replay system isn't flawless. It's possible that the weird animation is because the replay viewer is not showing the suspect being in the aware state already. While they actually were

[livid notch]

does Secret Service has better training than SWAT operators? hard to say

[whole hedge]

Well, all it says is former tier 1 operators if i remember correctly, so yeah the branch isn't specified besides hardcore shit

[whole hedge]

I think Secret Service is handpicked from the best, so i'd say yes

[shrewd oriole]

They can be the most trained people ever but 5 people aiming rifles at you, you'd surrender

[livid notch]

yes, but the job of Secret Service agent kinda differs from SWAT

[tough spire]

Oh man that's super clear working on this guide. So many weird artifacts.

[crude prism]

It gets worse when you start skipping around and replaying things. The stances get like reset with every time skip

[whole hedge]

And let’s not forget that Delta is brutal in CQB

In real life I mean

[whole hedge]

But that’s true

[shrewd oriole]

If Suspects got a GOOD overhaul like swat, zero issues.

[whole hedge]

I wish they worked as a team like in fear

[tough spire]

I would certainly never trust a replay to accurately represent what happened after having watched a few of these 🙃

[shrewd oriole]

Things like smartly taking cover, proper morale and stress, teamwork.

Suspects now are just random people who'll sometimes surrender that also have perfect reaction times and accuracy

[livid notch]

also - I think that top tier D-Boy would do whatever it takes to preserve life, so I don;t think that it will try to pull some gunsliger trickery to fend off multiple officers

[whole hedge]

I’m more annoyed that they rarely seek cover or concealment

[tough spire]

Their accuracy isn't perfect

[shrewd oriole]

The crackhead that blasted by face across the room:

[tough spire]

My butt has been saved so many times by someone missing me at close quarters.

[stone bay]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message perfectly reasonable reaction time even for a human. But everybody here knows suspects be doing sum real crazy shit a lot of the times

[tough spire]

Rofl you closed the door into the guy with the gun of course he was ready for you

[whole hedge]

Yeah the issue is when they 1 shot you through a wall with the initial shot

Not the actual gunfights when the ai works

[stone bay]

Wasn’t my pov but yeah it was funny watching my friend get merc’d

[tough spire]

Sorry, "you" in a general sense towards the person doing the video. Not specifically calling you the person who shared it out.

[viscid bane]

What’s the difference between the 2 types of buckshot (do not tell me what the slugs do I know what they do)

[livid notch]

none

[shrewd oriole]

Whenever the Suspects sleeper agent code is activated (any sign of swat) they have inhumane reaction times and accuracy

[stone bay]

All good

[knotty ermine]

What does a single unit of "buckshot" mean? How many more shells?

[whole hedge]

i die on the hill that Adam had the best suspects yet

[livid notch]

depends on mag capacity

[crude prism]

The second buckshot type is supposed to only be used by suspects. It's a severely nerfed version of the default buckshot.

Massive spread, huge damage down multipliers for limbs/torso

[stone bay]

Depending on what you give ammo to, will be the first ammo type you’ll use

[tough spire]

LOL what how did I never notice there's two kinds of buckshot

[knotty ermine]

So it the shotgun has 7 shell capacity it would give me 7 more shells per unit?

[crude prism]

You get 8 shells per slot regardless of the shotgun you have equipped

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects have HORRID accuracy and everything with shotguns for some reason. They are experts with pistols and rifles but a shotgun it out of their league.

[livid notch]

ok, good to know, my bad

[crude prism]

It's because the accuracy/damage is tied to the ammo type. Which is why there is a second suspect-only ammo for them

[stone bay]

Oh it’s actually different buckshots? Well damn

[viscid bane]

Fun fact: if you take zero extra shotgun ammo you’ll infinitely reload your shotgun, but not actually get any ammo in your magazine

[knotty ermine]

Is there a difference between front/back and full coverage if you're using Light armor? Is there a difference at all?

[crude prism]

No. You have to equip heavy armor to get side plates. Selecting full coverage on light armor does nothing

[viscid bane]

So I should use “00” buckshot?

[stone bay]

Nah. Full does nothing on Light since it has no side coverage

[knotty ermine]

What's the shortest rifle?

[crude prism]

Use the one that has a description, don't use the one after slugs with no info on it

[livid notch]

LVAR, G36C probably

[knotty ermine]

Why is it even available to us?

[shrewd oriole]

Laziness.

[viscid bane]

Real and true

[knotty ermine]

Isn't the SLR shorter? It feels shorter

[tranquil swallow]

The modding community has been amazing for this game

[viscid bane]

We have an SLR?????

[stone bay]

Arn looks short af but idk a lot of the rifles look short in comparison to each other

[tough spire]

Sans-suppressor I think it's the F90

[knotty ermine]

The AK

[crude prism]

Unintentional by the looks of it. Same as the second .45 JHP ammo type on the UMP .45

That one is also a suspect-only ammo type lul

[tranquil swallow]

Mods will save this game

[viscid bane]

Technically the P90 could qualify for this

[livid notch]

did not check all rifles - I think by checking low-ready high can help in determining this

[tough spire]

P90 is a PDW not a rifle. 🙃

[knotty ermine]

Does it give me aimbot and wallhacks too?

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[viscid bane]

But it’s just as good at AP as a rifle

[stone bay]

Me and my cosmetic mods, gun replacement mods, IR always visible to make my laser green, brighter chemlights, a lot more

[shrewd oriole]

No

[viscid bane]

Thanks to the 5.7 cartridge

[crude prism]

Yeah, but unless you are plugged into the computer you don't get the data stream output

[knotty ermine]

Not exactly, no

[viscid bane]

It should be

[shrewd oriole]

5.7 isn't as penetrating as a fmj 5.56

[knotty ermine]

You pretty much have to full auto to kill someone with armor using P90/MP7 because it needs multiple shots to break the armor

[viscid bane]

There’s a reason Secret Service use it

[knotty ermine]

It's better than 9mm or .45 sure

[viscid bane]

Kid named misinformation:

[knotty ermine]

But that's a pretty low bar to beat lmfao

[viscid bane]

Wait in game?

[shrewd oriole]

5.7 isn't that good. It's good for light Kevlar

But plates stop it fine.

Usually.

[livid notch]

which is expected because 5.7mm is somewhere between pistol and intermediate rounds

[knotty ermine]

If you are using an SMG and know you'll be facing armor, these are your best options, but you should stick to rifles if you want penetration power

I've also noticed shotguns just kinda ignore armor(?) Rarely need more than 2 shells to take anyone down

[shrewd oriole]

5.7 was made to pen armor of its time.

[stone bay]

“Pistol as primary” mod then all you use is the revolver against the secret service suspects

[tough spire]

Double tapping the ol' M1014 is love represented by noise.

[viscid bane]

My favorite is stay on target when yelling honestly

[livid notch]

buckshot is very inefficient against body armor - but shooting on limbs or head is different story

[shrewd oriole]

Gunfighter

[crude prism]

Buckshot has real high limb damage. You only need like 4 of 8 pellets to incap someone

[knotty ermine]

So yeah it basically doesn't matter if they have armor you just shoot them and they die

[viscid bane]

Luckily it still stuns suspects, plus since they bring their arms up to fire good chance you’ll hit them if you fire at chest level

[livid notch]

i'm glad that slug rounds were boosted

[shrewd oriole]

Armor in this game is modeled poorly

[crude prism]

Big boy shot is actually big boy shot now

[stone bay]

I think Gunfighter has that as well in one of its files. Probably the “animation” file. But I only use the “basic” file for the lowered weapon/lowered low ready idk. I don’t even use the 9 bangs or other features of that mod

[shrewd oriole]

I got 25 slots bb

[knotty ermine]

What does slug do against enemy plates?

[shrewd oriole]

Enemies don't have plates from what I hear

[viscid bane]

What’s the main advantage of gunfighter if I don’t want 25 slots

[shrewd oriole]

Just Kevlar.

[knotty ermine]

Enemies can have plates

[stone bay]

Ong tho I only use 15 max as a limiter for myself

[livid notch]

most of them are using kevlar, some have plates (in Neon and Relapse i guess)

[shrewd oriole]

9 bang. Other tools, lower weapon position, better movement

[knotty ermine]

9 bang?

[shrewd oriole]

The lethal grenade.

[crude prism]

Suspects have 3 tiers of armor. For simplicity sake, think of them as light/medium/heavy.

Slugs will 1 tap every suspect in the game with light/medium armor, but cannot penetrate heavy.

The caveat to this is that the heavy armor is used by ~8 suspects in the whole game. (1 on Neon, all 4 on Elephant, 3+ on Sins)

[hardy falcon]

devs should take the most popular mods and incorporate them into the base game, like gunfighter and better swat ai

[lapis niche]

Hello! What is ok to do for a B rating in Rust belt? I just head shot an armed guy who drew his gun, am I screwed? Is Lethal still ok for a B?

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[shy tulip]

Lethal is fine for a B as long as you're arresting a good amount of suspects. I don't know the exact # you'd need to arrest for Rust

[knotty ermine]

What happens if I shoot someone with heavy armor in the chest using slugs?

[stone bay]

The lowered gun defo helps with a lot of visibility compared to vanilla wherein the gun is being held pretty high

[livid notch]

should be, with a bit of luck you'll get A+, so use nades and C2 frequently

[knotty ermine]

Do they do the ouch oowy my stomach hurts animation?

[hardy falcon]

lethal can get up to a+, as long as the shots are justified

[viscid bane]

Yes

[lapis niche]

sweet, thanks for the tips ya'll

[crude prism]

Yeah, big owie flinch. It's the most damage you can do in a single hit. Takes 4 hits to knock em out

[livid notch]

the most horrific are neck shots

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3160 can have a look for yourself if you wanna know what else it tweaks and what feature you only want to use

[knotty ermine]

I wonder how the beanbags cause people with heavy armor to do the same thing

What happens IRL if you get shot with a slug to the chest while wearing armor? I'm assuming it doesn't penetrate but all that energy has to go somewhere

[stone bay]

Balaclava

[livid notch]

depends on armour type, but i'm almost sure that you'll flinch heavily or get even knocked down

[knotty ermine]

It's ridiculous we don't have any face coverings at all

[knotty ermine]

I was thinking more, ribs splitting in half

[stone bay]

Yeah only gas mask or ballistic mask does that at most

[livid notch]

bruising is almost sure

[crude prism]

Slugs aren't that powerful. They're big and fat, but don't really have enough speed

[slim sonnet]

why wont the gas station mission complete? i killed all the guys and it just wont finish

[stone bay]

Soft objectives

[tough spire]

Also gotta rescue all the people

[knotty ermine]

Tell the AI to search and secure

[slim sonnet]

how do i rescue them do i gotta bring em outside??

[knotty ermine]

No

You have to secure them by tying them down

[tough spire]

Hold tab to look at what objectives are completed, are all civilians secured?

[stone bay]

Arrest them yourself or command AI team to “Search Room/Area” or “Search and Secure” if all enemies are dead or arrested

[stone bay]

You can also command civis to run to the exit. But be mindful of that command cause sometimes they just stand at the safe zone and not be restrained

[leaden sage]

Anyone knows the way how to disable "Mission Debrief" for screenshots?

[slim sonnet]

its so annoying trying to find the last civillian thats hiding somwhere

[rocky latch]

only annoying because its a game, in real life they have search parties

[dense quest]

does this only apply if they were directly aiming at you? I remember killing someone in their "active" state with their guns raised up but they was looking away and I shot from behind

[stone bay]

Yeah you backtrack a lot to find the last few civis

[versed sleet]

How do you blast civilians without getting the "kill me" command?

[tulip spade]

[ebon ginkgo]

just kill your officers so they can't kill you

[tough spire]

Why would you kill civilians bro

[earnest wolf]

Yeah, didn't you see the posters at the station?

[ebon ginkgo]

shits and giggles probably

[white goblet]

hurhur warcrime funny
you can't anymore

[shy tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/808613000683454487/1167181786237915247/caption.gif?ex=654d31bf&is=653abcbf&hm=2926db1df0e1ad03674f958b98493dd184c7df0bc274bf4c0e9260126b796f97&

[white goblet]

🤣

[tough spire]

Make windows and oranges

[versed sleet]

yeah sadly when you shoot your cops, you cant kill all of them, the last 3 go invincible

[tulip spade]

👆👆

[white goblet]

wow that's crazy

[tough spire]

"Sadly"

[earnest wolf]

haha

[versed sleet]

I play how I like to

A true american

[white goblet]

i remember some guy in here being mad about the school being a college and not grade school

[tough spire]

That's fine. You're allowed to play how you like to. Just like we're allowed to roll our eyes at it.

[white goblet]

murica right there

[slim sonnet]

why didnt the level i was on save? i beat level 1 and left and join back now im still on level 1

[versed sleet]

shoot first ask no questions

[minor patio]

I understand the stress of a school map, but the college just feels hollow and empty

Like how many ppl attended? Like 5 students?

[tough spire]

There's more than 5 just in the lecture hall.

[minor patio]

Either u go crazy and real or just not at all

It’s in an always middle area

[earnest wolf]

If they go too far the game gets slapped with an adults only rating and can't be broadcast on twitch

[slim sonnet]

why didnt the level i was on save? i beat level 1 and left and join back now im still on level 1 is it because im in "commander mode" or somthing?

[tulip spade]

buys game about playing as a LEO, trying to rid a failing city of crime
“why can’t i kill civillians and get away with it?”

[minor patio]

Ig

Yet theres a club with piles of bodies stacking 6 feet high

[tulip spade]

most of them dead…look in the auditorium

[tough spire]

He's playing the most realistically out of all of us

[tulip spade]

lol

[knotty ermine]

Is there any reason to use pump actions over semi auto shotguns?

[minor patio]

You’d think the police in that city would be corrupt

Batman ahhh swat team

[earnest wolf]

we need an inventory slot for drop guns

[minor patio]

?

[tough spire]

Rule of Cool only

[earnest wolf]

I'm just joking, but it's where police might carry an untraceable weapon to drop near a suspect who they shouldn't have killed

[minor patio]

?

[whole hedge]

Play MP with friends.
Anyone with a gun is a criminal. Anyone without a gun is a well disciplined criminal

[knotty ermine]

Planting evidence

[minor patio]

It’s a swat sim not corrupt sim

[earnest wolf]

lol

[minor patio]

What’s the fun in that?

[versed sleet]

Dont have any friends with the game sadly

[minor patio]

Like please tell me why I want to waste time planting evidence

Is there gonna be a button to turn off body cam?

[knotty ermine]

It's not like we ever experience consequences for poor performance

[minor patio]

The challenge is trying NOT to kill them

[earnest wolf]

lol

[whole hedge]

Yeah , its pointless. Would be a neat feature, but this underfunded swat team is running 3000 dollar MCX rifles with 1500 dollar sights, while wearing quad nods.

[minor patio]

That’s what makes the game fun

[tulip spade]

you do in commander mode

[whole hedge]

Would be interesting if we had to buy our gear in commander mode tho

[knotty ermine]

Do you?

[tough spire]

We already waste time securing evidence.

[minor patio]

Yall can stick to single player I only run it with my boys

I ain’t never doing that AI shit

[whole hedge]

Yeah, either wasting time going back to the station, or wasting less time by alt f4,ing if you have a beasty SSD

[knotty ermine]

Just hire new dudes and toss the anxious ones to therapy

[whole hedge]

seriously, alt f4 is faster than waiting out the failure. How? lol

[knotty ermine]

Oh for failing missions

[tulip spade]

yeah that’s what i don’t get about RoN really, it’s supposed to be a underfunded swat team yet we’re running MCXs with GPNVGS and IR strobes

[knotty ermine]

I meant completing missions poorly

You can still complete missions if half the civs are dead iirc

[whole hedge]

Who knows, maybe the military already has bf2142 gear and titans in the RoN universe

[tulip spade]

i feel like ready or not needs a “budget” system where you can only give your team so much

[tough spire]

That would be way cool.

[whole hedge]

Or give them everything if you farm enough

[earnest wolf]

imagine if for 1.0 they locked all the maps AND all the guns behind progression. People would have gone nuts

[knotty ermine]

You want to limit equipment even more?

[whole hedge]

If you have 20-30 hours on a commander save, you should be able to buy everything

[tough spire]

What do you mean even more, there is no current restrictions

[tulip spade]

maybe you receive more funding depending on how you preform, preform like shit, gov stops funding you as much, you still keep your old gear, but no new goodies for you, do well and you get some neat stuff

[earnest wolf]

"headshot 5 suspects to earn the red dot"

[tulip spade]

LMFAO

[earnest wolf]

😄

[knotty ermine]

Make it realistic. Perform poorly and still get millions in funding

[whole hedge]

Joke's on us, the red dots are awful in this game

[tulip spade]

i’m talking more like overall performance not like cod attachments

[viscid bane]

The red dot sucks though

[whole hedge]

Seriously though , why can't we adjust the brightness of the red dots on the go?
On real red dots it takes like...a second?

[viscid bane]

At least on the AK

[earnest wolf]

true true

[tulip spade]

yeah i would like that they’re way too dim at times

[viscid bane]

You need a mod for that

[whole hedge]

Why?

It should be simple to implement?

[viscid bane]

[whole hedge]

I mean imagine : Press + to increase red dot birghtness
press - to decrase it

[knotty ermine]

I always just use it with nothing or with a flashlight

[whole hedge]

But it's not like it matters. A game can't reflect the utility of a red dot ever. Point shooting and lasers in RON are the way to go every time

[tulip spade]

i want to be able to use the weapons in the armory god damnit, let my underfunded swat team run tec 9s, g3s, and chinese M16 knockoffs

[versed sleet]

If I throw CS gas on a civilian, will they die?

[tough spire]

That's not how CS works, so no

[tulip spade]

…no?

[versed sleet]

oof

[whole hedge]

Vx2 gas mod when

[knotty ermine]

what kind of gas do you think is in these granades

[versed sleet]

CS

[tulip spade]

cs gas

[tough spire]

We literally had our water supply poisoned by CS in my city and it wasn't killing people left and right my dude.

[tulip spade]

yknow, the name of the item

[whole hedge]

I wish someone modded in 9bangs though

[stone bay]

How did that happen?

[lime wigeon]

I think gas from a law enforcement agency made for enforcing the law is nonlethal and is meant for blinding and disorienting suspects and noncompliant civilians

[knotty ermine]

Why what's that

[lime wigeon]

Gunfighter mod

[viscid bane]

I’ve never tried point shooting in this game, I assumed it wouldn’t be very good

[whole hedge]

They added what void forgot about?

[tulip spade]

hello los suenos government…its judge…we need faiv billion M67s to bomb crackheads, god bless the LSPD

[whole hedge]

Try it, it’s god tier

[viscid bane]

I feel like you’d need a better laser for it to work

[knotty ermine]

You should try, its pretty accurate

[tough spire]

Without getting into politics as much as possible: Idiots in law enforcement and government agencies going out of control with their toys.

[whole hedge]

The laser is closer to a real life red dot in game. Trust me give it a go

[viscid bane]

Kid named gunfighter mod:

[whole hedge]

I check it out

[knotty ermine]

What's 9 bangs

[tulip spade]

i want m14…

[lime wigeon]

Flashbangs that have 9 smaller flashes instead of a single large flash

[knotty ermine]

So it's just better flashbang

[civic zinc]

i remember the time i accidentally threw a modded frag grenade at my feet

[tulip spade]

uh oh

[lime wigeon]

Depends on situation

[civic zinc]

i wanted to throw it through a peeked door

[viscid bane]

Hello Los Suenos city council, it’s Judge, we need faiv billion automatic weapons, to make war on the crackheads of Los Suenos, hands up high

[tough spire]

If only we could have that Bearcat attachment that rips walls off of houses.

[tulip spade]

hello Los Suenos, it’s Judge, we need faiv billion GPNVGs, to preform night raids on illegal immigrants, stop the killing, stop the dying

[crude prism]

The requisitions guy at the LSPD is spending the entire city's budget in foreign imports and gucci gear to live vicariously through the SWAT team

[civic zinc]

hello Los Suenos, it's Judge, we need faiv billion FALs, to fight the MLO in whatever planned map void has with them involved

[inland wolf]

whats the criteria for Wild West?

[whole hedge]

A big iron on your hip

[viscid bane]

Best part is there’s only like 2 times when NVGs are remotely useful and even then flashlights are probably more effective

[inland wolf]

it says "only" a 357

[civic zinc]

revolver only, no nvgs or long tactical for some reason as well

[tulip spade]

yeah

[inland wolf]

so if i take out my long tac will it not work?

[tulip spade]

because yeehaw

[knotty ermine]

Remember that the LSPD is supposed to be underfunded

[inland wolf]

because its not like i can remove it

[civic zinc]

i wouldnt risk it

[whole hedge]

Would be nice if we could cut power anytime we want

[inland wolf]

how about deployables

[tough spire]

It's only nice to have NVG when flashlight will give you away

[inland wolf]

such as flashbang, cs gas

[slim sonnet]

i keep getting the error "connecting to the host has been lost" when i try joining my friends game, anyone know how to fix?

[inland wolf]

tell him to disable checksum

[civic zinc]

i dont know, i went in with heavy armour and 11 slots of revolver ammo on me and my ai

[whole hedge]

An NVG is a superior choice if you use canted shooting though, since you can still have a laser and do pinpoint shots.

But yeah, most maps are too bright in general

[slim sonnet]

whats that?

[knotty ermine]

Are you using mods?

[prime mural]

No, pretty sure not even ur ai

[inland wolf]

its an option in your menu that disables host checking for mods

[stone bay]

Which guns have the ability to cant?

[prime mural]

Any gun?

[whole hedge]

All of them

Even a tazer

[prime mural]

It's a stance/setting u toggle

[stone bay]

Thanks.

[slim sonnet]

none of us have mods and he disabled it but it still isnt working same error

[stone bay]

Got it

[cyan thorn]

hi guys, i tried searching for it, but, i want to know, will masks come in any soon, i read it was in game, bots have them(or npcs in station), so i just want to know

[whole hedge]

Put it on mouse 4 for comfort , or mouse 5 whichever you prefer

[viscid bane]

They spent the budget for more officers on spec ops NVGS

[frail quartz]

My mind will forever be torn between the aesthetic of "Underfunded PD mostly using hand-me-down gear" and the aesthetic of tacticool operators with top-of-the-line gear

[inland wolf]

its like replacing quantity with quality

except the quantity is damn near suicidal

[whole hedge]

Judge: Please help we are underfunded , criminally
Also Judge: Rocks a Lvaw

[inland wolf]

and the quality isnt that much higher

[frail quartz]

B-B-B-But muh FOV!!!!!

[tulip spade]

i feel like void messed up a little by adding all the fancy guns n shit because it fucks with the aesthetic, but now if they remove them all the tacticool goons are gonna go “no!!! muh 77384592nd AR platform weapon!!!!”

[viscid bane]

Yes we’re very underfunded we definitely need more money looks at armory wall that has SCARs and 416s on it

[versed sleet]

Legalise nuclear bombs

[prime mural]

They're all skins of each other anyway, would be boring if we all used the same ars

[whole hedge]

I mean, i would legit uninstall if they removed the two MCX rifles

[viscid bane]

Somehow we got an AK too

[whole hedge]

Thats realistic

[frail quartz]

It's cheap, what do you expect

[knotty ermine]

They could make it make sense if because they are underfunded they let officers basically buy their own rifles

[tough spire]

Ready or Not 2 coming Q4 2025:
Crime is out of control, Judge and Co take to the streets in MRAPs and IFV's taking down the most elite methheads the planet has ever seen.

[prime mural]

Guns r easy to procure too, I'm sure a big part of the Ron cast would just be military handouts

[viscid bane]

No American swat team uses the AK platform lol

[whole hedge]

You are wrong

[knotty ermine]

Say that to Alaska

[prime mural]

Idk if swat uses it, patrol teams sure

[knotty ermine]

Special police use it iirc

[viscid bane]

Those officers are allowed to choose their rifles, it’s not department issue

[prime mural]

But swat ain't gonna be fighting big predators

[knotty ermine]

You are not department issue

[tough spire]

ur mom isn't department issue

[knotty ermine]

Have you completed Valley of the dolls?

Plenty of predators

[whole hedge]

Whats up with the creepy recorder on valley though? In the basement. Anyone figured out what its saying? I couldN't make it out

[knotty ermine]

Man I don't want to know

[whole hedge]

I would check, but i have PTSD

[viscid bane]

MindJot security guards getting ready to sacrifice themselves for the Los Suenos PDF file cult:

[whole hedge]

Not literal PTSD

[frail quartz]

But yeah I think I might experiment with mostly giving my team MK18s, G36s, and maybe a couple 416s with no nightvision/only binocular tubes just to try out that "WE GOT NO FOOKIN' MONEY" aesthetic

[knotty ermine]

It's nuts what these security forces are willing to do

[whole hedge]

It's a weird bug, i was playing valley and after brining order to chaos, i decided to check the fine details on the map, and while i was in the basement i got a visual bug, that said a player joined the lobby.

I was playing SP so it creeped me the fuck out, despite knowing that it's nothing, so....like a total wuss i alt f4'd lol

[viscid bane]

I wonder when VOID will come up with an actual reason for the guards at Mindjot to not surrender to us

[frail quartz]

Aren't they criminals themselves?

[knotty ermine]

Like for real dude I hit you with beanbag you gave up

[viscid bane]

No, they’re just building security

[knotty ermine]

And then you are trying to kill me anyway

[whole hedge]

They don't believe you are cops

[knotty ermine]

And then telling me you have nothing to do with it??

[frail quartz]

Yeah, but don't their voicelines still shout "COPS!"

[viscid bane]

The briefing says we got 3040 uniformed officers to perform ballet out front

[shy tulip]

From my memory, they've had past incidents of robbers posing as cops, ending with one of the guards being killed in the past. You can determine as much from their voicelines about the real cops, or something along those lines

[whole hedge]

Haven't heard that before, but they shout "yeah show us a badge" and "heard that one before" often

[frail quartz]

Ohhh

Did they give them new voicelines in 1.0

[viscid bane]

None of you guys read the briefing but I don’t blame you since they’re never accurate

[frail quartz]

They used to just use generic suspect voicelines

[inland wolf]

Michael Williams killed his mother, yet we arrest her every goddamn match

[knotty ermine]

Do the robbers often have fully kitted, fully automatic ARs and flashbangs

[tough spire]

The point is he didn't kill her, it was a fake call

[shy tulip]

A swatting call having bad info? That's crazy

[whole hedge]

That was a prank, swat call. It's a coincidence that Michael is a John wick predator, with a crypto farm, and 80 goons

[viscid bane]

Do they also have 20483829 uniformed officers out front saying hey we’re the real police stop shooting at us

[knotty ermine]

Yeah

[whole hedge]

Every info is wrong though. Even the maps are in wrong order. We lost raids for bad lore. Not a good trade

[wheat wren]

Lol the gang in his apartment says otherwise

[knotty ermine]

since when do robbers cuff you

Especially ones willing to shoot

[whole hedge]

It was an accurate call, the viewers noticed the mini army in the streamers bedroom lol

[viscid bane]

VOID should just say we arrived when people hired by Voll showed up to destroy the data, so the guards are dead or disarmed and instead we’re fighting basically mercenaries

[inland wolf]

they still have guns

[knotty ermine]

They'd just shoot everyone much easier to deal with corpses

[tough spire]

The whole point of the mission is that a psuedo-Twitch streamer gets SWATted by someone claiming he shot his mom, you show up to find out that that was false but in fact he had a gang and illegal server operation going.

[knotty ermine]

I thought it was crypto

[wheat wren]

Either way it’s one of my favorite missions

Easy

[knotty ermine]

The music is really good

[inland wolf]

why is 357 so bad

[brittle swan]

aim issue

[whole hedge]

Btw, since Void wants to drop Judge and the LSDP in an expansion is it weird that i think they should go with...SAS? Or something? If they want different countries.

I mean, we already have to shoot more than imagined

[wheat wren]

Yeah that beat in Michaels room slaps

[inland wolf]

it sways so badly

even when walking

[knotty ermine]

No I'm talking about the OST

[brittle swan]

the gun sways when walking? thats crazy

[wheat wren]

HA

[viscid bane]

Why would SAS be in LA

[inland wolf]

alright buddy you're trying to instigate

[knotty ermine]

The music matches with the server humms

And the piano

[whole hedge]

The expansion won't be in the US according to Void?

[viscid bane]

Crouch or slow walk

[inland wolf]

I LITERALLY SAID I WALK

[shy tulip]

They've said their focus is still on the US currently

[wheat wren]

No, I’m always the guy who plays games with music blasting in my headphones, so I never listen to the game sounds.

[viscid bane]

Wait what? They’re working on an expansion when their base game isn’t even done???

[whole hedge]

What's up with the latest newslatter in that case?

[tough spire]

Well this is a good omen. Started a new Iron Man run and one of my AI teammates just killed two civvies before dying to a suspect.

[viscid bane]

AI swat can’t kill civs

[civic zinc]

he just like me

[viscid bane]

Literally not in their programming

[tough spire]

They sure can and just did right in front of me. lol

[shy tulip]

Not sure which part you are referrring to

[knotty ermine]

Why do so many suspects do the fake surrender thing

Like I cannot imagine that to be this common

[viscid bane]

Must’ve been fake suspects, they are incapable of breaking ROE

[crude prism]

The SWAT AI doesn't 'see' civilians when engaging suspects. If the suspect is on the other end of a civilian, they will shoot them. Just like how suspects shoot eachother in the back

[civic zinc]

their aim can be off enough to hit a civvie when aiming at a suspect

[viscid bane]

How can their aim be off when they have ESP

[frail quartz]

Void moment amirite

[tough spire]

It was on Gas Station, and they did it trying to shoot someone else.

[viscid bane]

My swat are basically terminators, sounds like you guys got mall cops

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[viscid bane]

Because AI swat shouldn’t be capable of killing civs

[civic zinc]

i have failed S ranks because they shot eachother by accident

[whole hedge]

Watch some police activity. But be warned, you will see a lot of people get iced by pulling a knife or a gun on cops lol

[tough spire]

You can keep saying that it doesn't change that it just happened in front of my eyes. 😂

[whole hedge]

It's oddly realistic

[knotty ermine]

Is it really that common?

[whole hedge]

police activity on youtube

[stone bay]

I’m boutta tweak if that becomes a thing

[knotty ermine]

In game it's more common than not

[viscid bane]

Should’ve swapped their weapons

[crude prism]

Every suspect in RoN will fake surrender you at least once, up to 3 times depending on how many weapons they spawn with lul

[earnest wolf]

haha

[knotty ermine]

Who carries 3 pistols and a kitchen knife on them

[whole hedge]

Not exactly the newslatter but

[tough spire]

God Fearing Americans.

[civic zinc]

payday 2

[whole hedge]

The original Ready Or Not release is based in the USA and reflects events from the USA, future expansions will likely move to other geographies across the globe and reflect special police units and events from those locations.

[delicate orbit]

tell me yo'uve never been to texas before

[whole hedge]

Of course we know Void tends to lie there

They surely did before by promising workshop instead of mod.io. I think they removed that part now

[knotty ermine]

Lay you mean?

[whole hedge]

Maybe they will remove the international part too

[knotty ermine]

Are civies capable of fake surrendering?

[civic zinc]

no

[knotty ermine]

Are there suspects that are not initially armed?

[civic zinc]

very rarely

i can only recall it on hospital

mostly because i remember doming a guy, seeing no gun dropped but not getting unauthorized use of force

[knotty ermine]

Just means he was an asshole and he deserved it

[tough spire]

What is with the Replay folder being filled with junk files with zero seconds on them

[knotty ermine]

Is it a viable strategy to bring JHP ammo and shoot limbs?

[civic zinc]

shoot armoured suspects in the waist

[viscid bane]

Just use AP

[knotty ermine]

Hollow point is more based

More American

Who wants to penetrate when one can expand

[tough spire]

[viscid bane]

Ok Mr.Warcrime

[knotty ermine]

?

[viscid bane]

I’m calling you a war criminal

[knotty ermine]

Yeah I realize that, but why?

[viscid bane]

Image posting when

[knotty ermine]

Are Hollow Points problematic?

[viscid bane]

Bro this whole section reads like something the Australian SAS would say

[stone bay]

I always do AP on primary then JHP on secondary. JHP does not penetrate even thin walls and it fucking annoys me

[viscid bane]

Anyways which officer has the best lines and why is it Davenport

[stone bay]

McBain.

[whole hedge]

Which one is the one with the deep, graspy voice?

[inland wolf]

does AI using their long tac prevent you from getting wild west?

[viscid bane]

Basically all of them?

[viscid bane]

Probably better to not give them one, they can just aimbot with the revolver anyway

[inland wolf]

what

how the fuck do you not give them one

[viscid bane]

There might be an option for none above the ballistic shield

But if they’re forced to have one just don’t ask them to use it

[inland wolf]

i used a single flashbang at the end

launcher, that is

[knotty ermine]

Why is the LSPD using the M32

[frail quartz]

Is that not available to law enforcement or is it just considered too expensive for the LSPD's arsenal?

[knotty ermine]

It's a 40mm grenade launcher

Usually lethal

[tough spire]

(That's not how grenade launchers work)

[knotty ermine]

Most police departments use 28mm(?)

M32 is used by militaries to fire explosive grenades

It can also use other grenades

It's just unusual

[tough spire]

A grenade launcher will launch whatever round you put into it. It doesn't have to be lethal, and in fact a lot of launcher rounds aren't lethal.

[frail quartz]

Anyways I tired researching this a little bit to see what weapons would be realistic to use and I cannot find a goddamn straight answer for what weapons are considered too expensive

Like, I've found some things saying a mk18 costs $600, some saying it costs around $1,000

Some things saying an MCX is cheaper than a 416

Like, just give me a straight answer internet!

[tough spire]

It's not unusual at all. 40mm's are often used for smoke and flare launches by military.

[prime wing]

if only ron attachments were actually good or useful (and models werent fucked or barely visible red dots) maybe the tacticool would be great

[frail quartz]

+some things saying a 416 only costs $500 while others say it costs $3,000

[frail quartz]

Oh wait, that $500 one I saw was .22 lr

[tough spire]

LOL I just had someone take a hostage, shoot him, and miss

[fading quiver]

what do i do with the keycard on the first level

i just noticed it

[amber dock]

Should be able to use it on the side freezer exit to not trigger the alarm

[frail quartz]

By "alarm" do you mean the front door bell?

[amber dock]

Nah, it's a door in the freezer

turn right from the front door

[livid notch]

Jonathan Fergusson pointed out that GLs for non-lethal purpose should be marked with orange color, like beanbag shoty

[fading quiver]

where all the beer is?

[frail quartz]

Isn't that kinda pointless since you're already inside the gas station?

[fading quiver]

yeah

[slim sonnet]

bro the methhouse mission is so annoying to find the last civ

[livid notch]

somebody did not played Elephant or Relapse yet 😄

[dense quest]

20+ mins finding the civvie in elephant guaranteed

[fading quiver]

isnt elephant the name of a columbine movie

[dense quest]

yes that was the reference

[fading quiver]

oh thats why theres two bombs

[dense quest]

yup

[fading quiver]

but not two propane bombs

shouldve had car bombs as well

but that would be too obvious of a reference

also why dont the trailers pick up some of the civvies

like this guy has been bleeding out for like 30 minutes

[dense quest]

game limitation/cutting time and costs

I always imagine there's a trailer picking them up behind me lol

also in a situation like elephant would cops handcuff students or let them run to the exit?

[fading quiver]

well

[dense quest]

cuz in a place so open like a college/school the path to the exit could be not safe

[fading quiver]

if they had like

2000+ students

running out the exit

[frail quartz]

They said they experimented with trailers carrying out restrained npcs while the mission was still active, but it created some rare, but awkward moments where trailers and suspects could run into eachother and possibly ruin your S run

[fading quiver]

even a rtx 4090 would explode

wait the trailers can die?

[frail quartz]

They can't, I'm talking about when they were still experimenting with trailers before 1.0 launched

[lethal sparrow]

Hey dumb question but do u guys do ron giveaways

[dense quest]

I wish they kept it as an option for those who don't care about S ranks (aka most of the playerbase)

[fading quiver]

why the hell cant they just implement the better AI mod into the main game

[viscid bane]

Mods, this user is acting a fool. Restrain and pepper spray them!

[prime wing]

giveaways will be announced

but they are rare

I think last year there were like 2

it was a bit chaotic due to high traffic

[coral void]

Are the bomb threats in Relapse fixed

Like same location always

or Random like in Elephant

[stone bay]

Yes

[tough spire]

Wow so uh. If you have your bots run around without gas masks they give zero F's about CS.

[fading quiver]

nvgs are useless

on bots

[wheat wren]

I mean they are already aimbots

Sooo…

[viscid bane]

AI swat suffer no effects from anything deployed by you or themselves, they’re also able to see in the dark

As are the enemies

[coral void]

They just wear Gas Masks and NVGs to make you feel good, they don't really need it

[viscid bane]

Anyone know how long it takes for the shooters in elephant to go after civilians

[tough spire]

So for minmax-y reasons they should just all always wear the face armor, apparently

[prime mural]

till they throw a flash straight into the wall and injure the entire stack

[viscid bane]

Flashes can’t injure tho?

[prime mural]

idk it turns ur ai from healthy to injured

[tough spire]

Yeah I've seen that too. I figured flashes do injure.

Which, y'know, they should.

[viscid bane]

Probably a bug, I’ve eaten flash bangs from randoms and while they definitely make me useless for a few seconds my health is unchanged by it

[tight frigate]

immediately

im prtty sure

[frail quartz]

around 3 minutes iirc

[tight frigate]

they do

[viscid bane]

No, its a few minutes at least

[tight frigate]

guessing the gunfire i always hear at the start was something else then

[viscid bane]

Ambience

Honestly considering this takes place in LA I’m surprised we haven’t dealt with a bank robbery yet

[loud patio]

will more missions be added?

[coral void]

How come all the marketing has masks, but you actually need to mod to get one in game

[shy tulip]

The balaclava model needed more work to fix issues

[coral void]

Oh so there is one but its just not ready

I can wait

[stone stump]

pretty much every head accessory has clipping issues

[stone stump]

in case you haven't noticed most of the game is not ready

[coral void]

They aren't asking full price so I'm ok with some bugs

[stone stump]

it is the full price tho

[coral void]

Really? In my country it's like half of AAA release

Less than $20

[terse merlin]

Pricing localisation moment

In AUS it's like $80

[viscid bane]

Lol

Lmao even

[coral void]

Oh, I'm not sure I'd pay 80 Aud for this game, but 18 USD in my country is easy buy.

[wheat wren]

Yes. That or a mall themed map would be appreciated.

[safe ridge]

Alright I'm back since the chill game I tried after refunding turned out to be made by an unoriginal person. If I do rebuy the game, is there any way I can make it... less intense? I hate when shit jumps out of the corner at me. I know the modding scene is huge. Are there any accessibility mods like that?

[wheat wren]

Ron?

[viscid bane]

You sure you’re on the right discord server?

[wheat wren]

I was boutta say

[safe ridge]

Yeah, why?

The whole story I was giving was my reasoning for giving this another go after a bit of thinking.

[viscid bane]

It sounded like you were describing a horror game or something

[wheat wren]

Yeah

[safe ridge]

I just would like to know what I could do to make it less intense.

[tough spire]

RoN has some great jumpscares.

[safe ridge]

This game makes me more jittery and tense than any horror game.

[viscid bane]

Only thing in that vein that I’m aware of are mods that make the AI less likely to aimbot you

[safe ridge]

GOD YES THAT WOULD BE AMAZING

[viscid bane]

Other than that I’d recommend sending your bots in before you

[wheat wren]

Wow

[viscid bane]

Try no crack for AI, should be able to download it from the mod.io section in game

[safe ridge]

IT'S THE FUCKING GRENADE TRAPS THAT MAKE IT WORSE

[viscid bane]

Get a mod to remove them

[safe ridge]

Oh that exists fr?

[viscid bane]

I know one exists but idk if it’s up to date or if it’s on Nexus or mod.io

Ask in #🔧modding-chat

[safe ridge]

Will do, thank you.

[viscid bane]

[lilac scaffold]

Hi are the developers planning to officially add fsr3 in the game

[safe ridge]

I still find it funny that I got an A on the first mission but still was like NOPE NOPE FUCK THIS I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS TENSION

They were just supposed to be some punk kids ;~;

[amber dock]

RoN moment

[amber hearth]

california looove

[safe ridge]

By the way, asked something in the mod chat but didn't want to @ because I think mentioning a mod is against the rules regardless of context.

[lethal sparrow]

Please, no! (It was just a question lol I already have ron)

[safe ridge]

DW ANYONE LOOKING AT MY REPLY I ONLY REPLY WITH PING OFF

[amber dock]

Nah, it's all good

[shrewd oriole]

Mods, send him to Detroit.

[amber dock]

I don't know the answer to that question sadly because I rarely use ai mods

[fading quiver]

bro do the trailers just drop the person where the cop cars are and then literally fucking disappear

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[prime wing]

Taxpayer money well spent

forensics? Interviews?

nah

[shrewd oriole]

Teleporter is way better then cars

[safe ridge]

No please I've been good this year

[viscid bane]

Los Suenos may as well be Detroit

[coral void]

Punk kids? I believe you mean ex-special forces.

[safe ridge]

Not with the AI overhaul mod because YIKES

[errant iris]

What an interesting QnA

[stone bay]

I just accidentally beaned a suspect with a tear gas canister.

Also question: why can’t we adjust the amount of long tactical ammo?

[tight frigate]

loads 5.56 mag into mirrorgun
but yeah
and let ai reload it aswell

[stone bay]

I suppose only having three cs canisters would cause you to be more careful with your ammo, which is what gas grenades are for.

[tough spire]

Cornershot gun when

[formal brook]

GUYS I JUST BEAT TWISTED NERVE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND GOT AN A ON IT LETS GO AFTER A MONTH

[tough spire]

Heck yes good jooooob

[kindred crag]

Ive heard you can go lethal S by just shooting them only if they shoot at you

[tough spire]

You heard wrong

[kindred crag]

ok 😦

[tough spire]

The rule is nobody can die except officers

[formal brook]

stuff in a nutshell

TOC if your entire squad gets shotgunned by a m3th-head: aight bet ur chill
TOC if you accidently headshot a guy with a beanbag: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh murderer!11!!1!!

[viscid bane]

Thankfully there’s about 1.8 billion mods to make TOC say something else

[kindred crag]

like a cute anime voice

[formal brook]

yo what?

why are you aware of this?

[viscid bane]

Femboy TOC, based TOC, Hampter TOC, Shadow Company TOC, so many options

What does TOC even stand for

[formal brook]

tactical operative command is my guess

[kindred crag]

I watched a funny mod vid

[viscid bane]

Ready or Sus

[formal brook]

ok

[tough spire]

Thicc Operation Cutie

[viscid bane]

Mods, send him to Los Suenos

[tough spire]

TOC desu. Sugoi desu ne.

[cobalt sequoia]

[summer oasis]

Tactical Operations Center