Perhaps they just decided to give it a second pass. Or the first one was accidentally released before it was ready. 🤷🏻
#📄Wiki
craggy wind
I agree with you about Virgil vs North of Serdio, but that's not the case for all of the names. Many are quite similar, i.e. Franbell. (the whole "R" and "L" thing about Japanese which affects many names)
strange wing
Yeah, could be a mix but we'll never know the intent bc of how much is just lost to history. Thanks for letting me know, I'll update the trivia and then I should be good to publish this overhaul.
craggy wind
Happy to do what I can. I know it's a hot mess.
I wish i could remember where Seludio came from. Don't wanna lose it without checking.
the only web search result is our wiki. 🤦🏻
.....
Searching "legend of dragoon" "seludio" yields no results from Google, while DuckDuckGo does find the mention on our wiki. Lawl.
🗑️
You're doing a Serdio overhaul?
strange wing
Yep, just finished and it should be live for you to look over.
craggy wind
Looks solid at first glance.
Not sure how i feel about "Territories". Serdio and the other countries can be considered territories, for example. I'm not a pro with that realm of vocabulary, but it does give me a little pause. Still, I regard the intended distinction. You're looking at "inhabited by a sentient species" vs "not". (Poor Drake!) (WAIT, POOR WOODCUTTER!!!!)
Also, your trivia formatting is a botch. <_<
Maybe in a future pass one of us can put the numbered lists into a two-column table. Could save some vertical space. Other than that, the general formatting and structure are great IMO. Big +1 from me.
footnote that we continue pondering this article, so when we're done it can be a completed prototype for at least two more region articles.
strange wing
Yeah I couldn't think of a term for "land that is considered owned but not settled in" so territory is the best I could do. If you think of a better one it'd be really easy to replace.
Yeah I would normally use numbers as bullet points, but since all trivia is numbered anyway that's not possible. I tried using smaller bullet points, but for some reason it cannot handle having lower points without showing the higher ones. Here's an image to show what I mean:
I wasn't sure if that would be better than just bullet points, even though they're indented way less than the numbering system.
craggy wind
No problem at all, trust me I get it haha. Well, my old brain would say dungeons, but that's not quite good enough IMO.
Are you just not using the intended formatting for numbered lists?
strange wing
Is there one? I didn't know if so lol
strange wing
For the most part i learned from just seeing what others had done before, I read most of the media wiki documentation but that was almost a year ago and I haven't used this specific method in all that lol
craggy wind
I am positive I encouraged you to keep the formatting help page bookmarked. It is so key!
strange wing
+added behavior to Senior Warden and fixed a table.
strange wing
+Overhauled the Tiberoa article. Basically a total rewrite and reformat to match the style of what I did for the Serdio article
strange wing
+Overhauled the Mille Seseau article. Ditto of above, but still needs filling out in some sections.
strange wing
+Reformated the Virage article.
Gonna implement this new formatting to all multi-entity boss articles to make them much more reader friendly.
strange wing
+Implementation is complete, all boss articles are now decluttered in their formatting for ease of reading.
strange wing
+Other enemy articles that had infobox cluttering are now decluttered
strange wing
+Added encounter rates to all location articles
strange wing
+Partial overhaul to Equipment article. All descriptions edited and synopsis fleshed out. Formatting updated. Hyperlinks added to almost a hundred terms. Minor corrections to errors. Still need to verify the data of the article and add missing information.
strange wing
+Filled out the three discs of missing entries for Treasure Chests article and synchronized the formatting with the location articles. Added hyperlinks to all titles. Added some trivia.
strange wing
+Cross referenced the Equipment Article with Treasure Chests. Added missing entries, fixed a misplaced entry, corrected physical ring's description (was listed as +25% max health for some reason x-x) and did some more formatting tweaks for making the tables all the same length. Next will cross reference shops and drops, and then validating all the numerical data like stats and such.
strange wing
+Reverse checked entries in the Equipment Article, removed some false ones and improved hyperlinks. Corrected some names as misspelled.
strange wing
+Cross referenced Equipment Article with locations for shops, and enemy articles for drops. All sources should be synchronized as far as I know. Checked all the stats and descriptions for equipment by comparing against the game itself. Fixed several errors and added some missing info. Currently checking the last few things before the article can be considered verified.
+Made tables sortable. Separated the stats so individual stats can be sorted. Rewrote the description of Angel Robe and Holy Ahnk to imply they are additive, but kept the old description as a bullet note in case the implication is unclear.
Pestering enabled. Refresher that I'm looking for fresh dumps for the info on the following if possible. In order of importance:
+Party members, specifically xp reqs for levels and d'levels, and stats by level like hp, mp, atk, def, etc.
+Equipment, specifically stats and if possible the stats that aren't given for some reason like the status weapons not listing the actual percentage chance for procing.
+Enemy Data, specifically their IDs, stats, and drops, so basically the page that Zy generated but without the erroneous names.
strange wing
+Overhauled the Stardust article. Did edits for concise writing and reformatted the tables to be in sync with locations. There were some incorrect ideas that were removed. One was that Stardust was created recently for the Serdian War, another that the stardust in Hoax becomes unobtainable if not grabbed before the assault unless you came back in disc 4.
craggy wind
This is a lot of updates, Wulves. 🙃 I sure hope you're offering me some chocolate whipping cream for all the patrols this will be haha.
thorn ruin
Drew
I cannot stress this enough
The cream is already whipped
Unrelated @strange wing
Level, xp to next level, hp, str, def
strange wing
This is a lot of updates, Wulves. 🙃 I sure hope you're offering me some chocola...
It's a lot to patrol, but at least we won't have glaringly incorrect info on the wiki like physical ring giving 25% max hp 🪦
strange wing
Yeah it's actually been pretty consistent; most articles that I look at for the first time usually have a bunch of small errors but big things aren't exactly rare either.
craggy wind
I will take out 15-20 mins tomorrow to start reviewing your changes. I'm sure 99% of it will be fine, but the principle remains.
I need to resume making edits anyways, so it'll be a good 1-2 combo.
strange wing
Level, xp to next level, hp, str, def
Realized my message might have been vague by using "etc." when asking for stats, but if it's not too much trouble could you also grab mat and mdf for too? (I assume spd, a-hit, m-hit, a-av, and m-av are always static and do not change with level so I don't think we need those)
thorn ruin
Realized my message might have been vague by using "etc." when asking for stats,...
level, xp to next level, atk, def, matk, mdef
strange wing
+For the Items article I checked the currently listed chests, drops, and shops for accuracy. Found and fixed some errors, added hyperlinks, and added distinction for Helena prison visits.
I still need to cross reference enemies (for drops) and locations (for shops and chests) to fill in missing info. Just while doing the first check I spotted some missing entries.
strange wing
+For the Items article I cross referenced chests, drops, and shops from other articles and added around 40ish missing entries.
strange wing
With that, I have overhauled all the articles related to enemies, locations (barring one which might be deleted and 2 which still need written but are mostly lore focused so no mechanics are missing,) and now collectibles 🥳 The remaining big ones are mechanics (which I've previously overhauled the status ailments article and did an update for additions, so some of the work is already done) and player characters.
craggy wind
finished most of what I wanted to do for a v1 pass on the website. Prepare for your edits to be patrolled later tonight, Wulves. Well, maybe 5% of them.
strange wing
+Fixed the effect description of attack ball being mildly inaccurate
strange wing
+Tidied up the status ailments article a touch
strange wing
+Added minigame info to Lohan article
strange wing
+Added damage formula information to Items and Enemies articles.
+Added hyperlink embeds to the enemies lists (enemies, minor enemies, etc.)
+Added a missing entry to the lists for a boss extra (sandora elite)
+Added a missing entry to the lists for a boss (Magician Faust (Apparition))
strange wing
+Overhauled Element article. Removed inaccuracies, opinions, and expanded explanations to be more in depth.
strange wing
level, xp to next level, atk, def, matk, mdef
Was looking through this data and found something I was wondering if you could confirm. In retail hitting level 60 for Dart makes the xp to next level simply show up as "-" like in this screen shot. The data you have here shows Dart needing 405,000 to reach 61, yet in retail even having 500,000 doesn't cause a level up so I'm confused how 405,000 is listed unless there's something in the code that forces characters to remain at 60?
strange wing
There's no data in retail past level 60
Ah okay so is the 405,000 value just unique to SC then?
thorn ruin
Yeah
strange wing
+Overhauled the Experience article. Added charts for level up thresholds and for showcasing the relationship between surviving members and inactive ones.
strange wing
+Overhauled most of the Additions article. Edited for brevity and clarity, removed opinionated sections, and restructured for better organization. Added damage formula information and tables.
The SP data is still absent, but I'll probs address that in a future update.
strange wing
@craggy wind do you have a source for this, if so can you link/share it?
craggy wind
<@131606461947052032> do you have a source for this, if so can you link/share it...
Stop editing for two days and I'll tell you. :3
strange wing
No worries, I can just move it to the WASS
craggy wind
Don't you dare remove it.
something something zealous vanguard
Hi good morning. I just need to fetch the page number.
strange wing
Same for this section mentioning that some Dragoons can teleport and the listing for their exact flight speed pls
craggy wind
Oh come on, that's a totally normal claim!
Also a matter of page number. Come find me when I'm co-working on voice later today? I'm still groggy in bed atm.
strange wing
Sounds good, yeah I'm trying to verify as much as I can but if the source is outside of the game or jp guidebook I'm cooked lol. I've been able to make references for 3 of the things so far so that feels good :3
strange wing
This is a contender for most wildly inaccurate thing I've found on the wiki.
craggy wind
lemme zoom in
craggy wind
This is a contender for most wildly inaccurate thing I've found on the wiki.
Did you verify this as incorrect? IIRC there's at least some truth to it.
I don't recall retail behavior, but if you alter the SP total in SC it won't increase the number of turns your character remains transformed. It's like the duration is locked in once your character activates the DS.
strange wing
Tested on retail and SC: a spirit potion extends the amount of turns a character is in Dragoon.
Using the debugger causes multiple inconsistent issues with Dragoon form- changing a character's sp can result in them permanently being in Dragoon form even when SP runs out, or they change back even with SP still full, or it functions normally. It should not be a basis for extrapolating the underpinnings of this mechanic.
craggy wind
I see. I'm not suggesting the debugger be used in that way, but I know I have experienced this in the past. Possibly with a spirit potion.
I don't necessarily disbelieve you, but for my own sanity I'm gonna blitz from start to Hoax now.
craggy wind
Tested on retail and SC: a spirit potion extends the amount of turns a character...
Well, I got the same result!
thorn ruin
The first part is true, the second part must have been an assumption based on that
But the spirit potion probably has code to increment that secondary balue
strange wing
That makes sense and is about what I guessed had happened, thanks for confirming. Since the invisible timer has no bearing on gameplay that the SP meter doesn't, I probably won't include it in the mechanics section to avoid confusion.
thorn ruin
Yup, shouldn't be included
craggy wind
But the spirit potion probably has code to increment that secondary balue
has to be. I could swear there was some kind of caching effect for lack of a better term.
craggy wind
That makes sense and is about what I guessed had happened, thanks for confirming...
conclusion: we're all so drunk on SC that we need a breathalyzer before making edits to the wiki.
strange wing
I checked the log to see who added that to the Dragoons article bc I figured it had to be recent and it was D-Wrecks back in April of last year
craggy wind
Gotcha. Like you and I, sometimes he made mistakes about the game.
craggy wind
<@131606461947052032> do you have a source for this, if so can you link/share it...
Since you didn't come to me, I am coming to you.
H.R. Giger influence for Dragoon designs.
Design Plex #34 (Feb. 2000). Page 83.
Dragoon teleportation and max flight speed:
When they transform into Dragoons, the fastest ones can fly through the air at speeds of around 1,200 km/h. Some Dragoons can even teleport, transcending the concept of speed as a living being. While flying, a membrane-like substance protects their bodies, allowing them to fly outside the stratosphere for short periods of time.
Weekly Famitsu #578 - page 238
strange wing
I ended up taking the world's fattest nap 😅
craggy wind
Uh huh. Well, enjoy my badass verification.
strange wing
It's a solid start thanks, gonna try to find more info on publisher and release date for the famitsu one.
Was able to find the date and publisher for it 😊
Tried to find a publisher for design plex but that's proving far more elusive, there's almost no sites that even recognize it and those that do usually hit me with "you don't have permission to access this resource" :/
strange wing
Took awhile but I was able to pin it down :3
craggy wind
You can just ask me haha. The whole point is that certain knowledge is super hard to find online, so when we have a local copy it's really easy to just look at the opening pages.
Sometimes the Internet can get it wrong as well.
strange wing
Fair, actually could you grab the publisher and editor if there is one for both of those just to double check? (Also if there's an author but I doubt it since they're magazines)
craggy wind
Much better hahaha. I will do this today.
I am soon to be away for several hours but should be back by this afternoon.
strange wing
For what I found on my end:
- Design Plex (could not find a specific listing for issue #34, but did find a source covering the time period of release for all of Design Plex) was published by Bug News Network (later called BNN) and may have been edited by Exceed Press (uncertain as I found that they were an editor for one of the Design Plex mags, but not verifiable if that extended to the 34th release).
- Weekly Famitsu #578 was published by ASCII in December of 99.
craggy wind
Of note, the references on the wiki (the little ones) aren't intended to specify every little piece of credit information. Just the main publication, issue or volume number, and page.
We'll put the fuller information in a master index of sources. (has to be done for other reasons anyway)
strange wing
I think it'd be good to include the publisher/editor/dates for a master index, but I think we should also include that info on individual references as well since there will be people who don't think to check a master index (I've never heard of it until right now, so I'd be one of them xD)
craggy wind
I can agree, but I should clarify I don't think the sources list should be something people have to hunt down. Maybe we can link to it as part of every reference (editing it into the reference template??).
for certain sources we'll be citing a lot, like the Japanese Guidebook, it may be worth putting that reference in its own small template (minus page number). Then the info will always be written exactly the same way because it pulls from a template.
strange wing
That sounds like a good idea, we could also list it on the main page so it's more noticeable. I'd consider making the guidebook have it's own template, but so far I've called that info about six times in the entire time I've been editing and it's been simple enough to copy paste then change the page number (sometimes it was less than that, if the same page is used I can just name the ref in-article and it gets used multiple times rather than needing the whole string of information.) If someone comes along and writes a bunch more info from it, they are more than welcome to make a template for it.
craggy wind
fair enough. Not saying you have to do it, just workshopping here.
strongly agree about front page mention
also my Design Plex magazine is not in the box I thought it was (misc.). 👀
I really need a dedicated physical building where I can just interface with all this stuff. But that's a lot of money 😭
side note about sources list - I'll want that on the main website too. Don't wanna maintain two lists but it would almost never be changed once established.
mmmm.. or could just point to the wiki page for now. 🙃
Where is my copy of Design Plex #34!?! 
Found. It was in my larger box set of Famitsu Weekly because it won't fit in the smaller boxes I have for Misc. stuff.
... They have a special segment called Devil Plex. (o_0)
Design Plex
Exceed Press Co., Ltd. 2000
Printing by Dai Nippon Printing Co., Ltd.
Published February 18, 2000
Released by BNN Co., Ltd.
The LoD report appears to be conducted by Kazutomo Tachiko, but we'll need Char or Manslapper's confirmation on the spelling.
Weekly Famitsu (of Famitsu Bros)
ASCII Corporation
I couldn't find a specific person's name - it may just be the editorial department. At the end of the segment, bottom of the page, it says in English "Presented by Ichigogumi" with Japanese text in parenthesis: (Famitsu Book Editorial Department)
strange wing
Thanks! Double checking that it's written "BNN" and that isn't you shortening it for brevity here? Only asking bc the source I found stated they didn't adopt that name until 2020, but it's possible that was just them officially transferring over from Bug News Network.
craggy wind
That's verbatim from machine translation (two models)
strange wing
This is shaping up to be the most referenced article we have 🥳
(Still need to tweak/add to the design plex one but wanted to share bc of the volume of refs :3)
strange wing
+Total overhaul for the Dragoon article. Most text rewritten for clearer descriptions and to include more nuance. Added lore from the Japanese Guidebook, dragoon spells, damage formulas, and all references.
craggy wind
I need to get paid to patrol these edits. And you need to get paid to make them.
I take it you remembered to use the corrected power values for D-Magic?
strange wing
I completely bypassed the values given by the game and gave the actual damage formula along with this note:
craggy wind
Alright.
strange wing
+Lesser overhaul for the Tutorials article. Edited for brevity, fixed a hyperlink, some typos, an incorrect summary of elements, the guard command being called defend for some reason, clarified a mechanic about guarding, synchronized and reorganized the format of each tutorial section, added embeds and hyperlinks.
craggy wind
With this many errors, how are any of us qualified to work on this project? /s
upper hatch
https://legendofdragoon.org/wiki/Kamuy
kamuy's encounter id is 417
numpad typo :P?
strange wing
Fixed, although 417 is Ghost Commander, 418 is for Kamuy
Thanks for letting me know 💙
And yeah probs just a typo- internal docs look fine
strange wing
+Added the instant death immunity trait to the following 10 articles:
Mammoth
Sandora Elite (Black Castle)
Roulette Face
Spinninghead
Hyper Skeleton
Basilisk
Mad Skull
Psyche Druid
Death
Death Purger
craggy wind
Mammoth too big to fit in another dimension?? Wild.
strange wing
+Updated the Player Character template to include explanations for stats and the like so I don't have to repeat it for each character and updated the formatting to be consistent with the rest of the wiki.
Completed the first pass on the Dart article:
+Added missing stats, updated dragoon spells & formatting, rearranged trivia by most interesting first, removed the sea of bold words, minor grammatical improvements to the story section but a total re-write might be necessary as several details are not pertinent to Dart or are very minor in nature, added hyperlinks.
Still need to verify some of the previously listed information, and some aspects could still be added to (equipment, images, etc.)
strange wing
+Corrected Divine Dragoon's MAT% bonus from 340% to 170% (tested in retail- only the AT% is 340%) Verified all mechanical info. Verified and added a reference to infobox data.
craggy wind
That's super weird. We knew for a long time only the D-attack was doubled at the end of the calc.
craggy wind
+Updated the Player Character template to include explanations for stats and the...
would you like some help with verification on that article? Lemme know what you need.
strange wing
I was able to manually confirm pretty much all of it- I think the only thing is that it could use is a reference for the PlayStation allstars trivia but that's a pretty minor thing.
strange wing
+Updated Lavitz article. Added missing stats, expanded the dragoon spells description, verified all mechanical info, verified and added references for the infobox data. Removed 16 instances of "Lavtiz" lol. Mostly left the story section untouched but on passing glance needs considerably consolidated/rewritten just like the Dart article.
craggy wind
Oh gosh, I had to revise some of those as well.
strange wing
I recall haha
Oh I forgot to mention but Lavitz's article didn't even use the player character template, someone just copy-pasted the entire template into the article so I had to do a lot of copy-pasting things around and reformat all the tables to work with templates. I'm looking at Shana's and it's the exact same so I'm guessing this will be a recurring issue for the rest of them lol
craggy wind
Did you check the history? I thought it was merely that I hadn't included that set of articles in the live-template conversion.
All articles had static template injection in the beginning.
I also recall wanting Dart to get finished first so we had a model prototype before converting the other eight articles.
I don't remember what happened after that.
strange wing
Is static template injection the same as copy/pasting the player character template and then filling it out for that character?
If so then yeah I'm basically doing live-template conversions since that hasn't been done yet.
Not sure but about 5 years have passed lol.
craggy wind
Uh yes and no
I wanted to hold off on conversions until we were fully happy with Dart's but I get that you want to move forward. Just be careful of double work.
strange wing
Yeah I think it'll be fine since it's not that hard to change templates and there's only 9 playable character articles anyway (compared to the minor enemy articles where there's more than a 100 lol)
strange wing
+Similar update to the others for Shana's article
strange wing
+Ditto for Rose
Haschel is listed in the wiki as being 60, but the JP Guidebook has him as 70- is there a conflicting source or is this simply a typo?
strange wing
+Ditto for Haschel
strange wing
Miranda's age was previously listed as 26, but appears as 30 in the guidebook- is there a conflicting source or is this simply a typo?
craggy wind
Maybe, one sec.
Seems like a simple error from Mothfern. 30 should be the correct age.
we do have an instance of conflicting age data. Maybe two. The first one is Princess Emille, at age 20 and 22 (in-game vs Guidebook, respectively).
The second one is not verified, as it comes from the Taiwanese-Mandarin guidebook and we haven't translated its opening pages yet. Prossable canon, but less certain than Japanese Guidebook.
strange wing
+Finished verification and initial expansion of mechanical info for Albert, Meru, Kongol, and Miranda. This concludes the last of the party member articles which went far faster than I was expecting (literally knocked them all out in 2 days.) All of the story sections need the same treatment I gave to the regional articles (serdio, tiberoa, etc.) in that the writing style needs redone to be from an objective, chronological perspective. For example, Dart's current story section is a play-by-play of the story events in the game and has almost a dozen paragraphs before the story even gets to Lohan. Most of the story sections have been written this way and will need to be replaced.
There are only 9 articles left that I haven't personally patrolled, 3 of which are pending review to be deleted (3, 4, and 5)
- Hooded Man
- Soa
- Garbage Man
- Myseterious Adventurer
- Moon Child
- Dimensions
- Dragon Campaign
- Main Page
- Version Differences
craggy wind
Hi Wulves. I see you goofed on some tables. 👀
strange wing
Lmao yeah- I'm taking it you didn't patrol those edits yet?
strange wing
Fair point xD
I was referring to the character pages since those are where the tables are that were wrong
craggy wind
Only player-chars?
strange wing
Yeah, the tables which were wrong were 2 stat tables- namely on Kongol's and Meru's pages.
Actually as a curiosity, what edits have you not patrolled yet/what were the last things you looked over?
craggy wind
Out of the one million edits, I have patrolled roughly 250,000 of them.
There are less than that many edits on the wiki, so logically all edits are patrolled.
(save me)
I left off somewhere just after winter.
I think at this point it's wiser for me to just review all articles in full, using Special:All.
strange wing
Cracking the wiki open like a book by a campfire and just reading it sounds pretty fun tbh
Also my total number of edits is 1,796. Just a bit further and I can hit my birth year :3
craggy wind
I thought that was the main usage. 🤪
strange wing
On the brightside, I've done all the big additions/edits to the wiki so once you patrol these edits, that's going to be it for heavy lifting. I expect there will be a few bits and pieces overtime still, but I'm kinda running up against a wall on things I can meaningfully add. Images would be easy to check, and there's little in the way of data that isn't included. Drop averages for submaps so players know optimal farming comes to mind, but that will be a fairly small addition compared to what the pages already show. I can't say the wiki is truly "complete" but it's far enough along that I'm having that bittersweet feeling of running out of things to do in a beloved game haha. Maybe I'll make wiki entries for the mods like Legend of Tides? I know there are people who were wanting to know about fishing spots hehe, but that would also require a lot more maintenance since mods change overtime whereas LoD is a static one and done, might be for sometime in the future instead haha.
craggy wind
Alright. I agree the wiki is incomplete - unless you wrote 100 new articles based in lore, haha. There's so much work to be done.
If I can finish my patrols, that'll give me the bandwidth to resume steady edits of my own. In turn, that should enable you to patrol my work.
strange wing
True, most of the lore sections are empty/not yet created. Story sections for most locations are also missing. Generally I avoided working too much on those just because they are so much easier for new people to the project to work on since most people enjoy the story of LoD but probably aren't that enthused about ensuring table widths match in a list page lol. It'd be exciting to see your work on those sections once you finish the patrols 💙
craggy wind
Indeed. I'm eager to build on what I've written in that regard already.
we also have the overdue version upgrade.
We need an overflow person who can dynamically switch between being my helper and Corey's helper.
strange wing
That's more in depth coding stuff right?
craggy wind
Sort of? Actual setup aside, it comes down to prior experience as well as which concepts your brain happens to grasp quickly or slowly.
I've done many types of web upgrades for 20 years but wiki upgrades are trickier. Maybe that's just MediaWiki (though I recall it being easier than alternatives like TikiWiki). Maybe it's my brain.
I know that upgrades in general used to be "easier" for me before Corey helped me learn how unsecure shared hosting is. In a way shared hosting is more accessible, but it's also unsecure. Now certain upgrades are more complicated in my view (I have to go through more hoops to complete what used to be a fast, simple task). Some of that is remedied by just getting used to terminal commands and having a list of commands I need. But it's still more hoops, which I think drains me of my will to want to do the upgrade in the first place. It's a balancing act for me.
I need to go back and look at the upgrade instructions, but I think I plotted out the work? I need to double check. There may have been something special about the next upgrade.
Pardon the word salad. :3
strange wing
No worries about word salad :3
I have basically no experience for that unfortunately. Best I could do is follow yt videos or whatever documentation they have for something like that, but that's basically anyone. Short of asking if any of the code-savvy peeps would be willing to volunteer, the only other idea I could think is to put a bounty on it.
thorn ruin
Don't want random people having root access
strange wing
Yeah it'd have to be a longtime, trusted code-savvy peep for safety.
I don't really know anyone who has the exact skill set for this besides yourself honestly, since I imagine web-code is a different ball game than game-code
craggy wind
We're definitely not putting a bounty on this. I did it before, just need to wrap my head around it and rediscover what the challenge was this last time around.
My point before was just to make a joke about needing a clone.
strange wing
Ah okay, well best of luck then friend :3
craggy wind
Thank you. Wanna give me some pizza or brownies to shore me up? xD
thorn ruin
Updating should be mostly straightforward
The only difference is that I moved the webroot to its own folder so none of the other files can be accessed from the webserver, so a few paths need to be updated
craggy wind
Well, I'm definitely going to try again. I just want you to know that I feel about this, the way you feel about certain types of coding tasks. Which is to say:
craggy wind
I broke my wiki drought! I added a small note on Elements to mention that the Special modifiers affect abilities from any source.
strange wing
+Basically created the Moon Child article.
+Created the Black Monster article.
+Went through the remaining wanted pages and was able to remove about 24 as incorrect hyperlinks (doubles such as Emperor Diaz and Diaz/incompletes like Drake instead of Drake the Bandit/missing embeds like Goods) or those which were too niche to deserve an article (Second Knighthood for example) or whose content is already contained entirely within another (Hero Competition is contained within Lohan, New Serdio Party is contained within Kazas, etc.)
Here's a breakdown of the 52 remaining wanted pages:
==41 Are Valid Wanted Pages==
-29 are for characters.
-4 are for races (Wingly, Minintos, Giganto, and Humans)
-3 artifacts with significant lore (Dragon Buster, Crystal Sphere, and Signet Sphere). It would likely also include the eight articles Drew wanted to write for the various Dragoon Spirits and the Divine Moon Objects article, but any reference of these on the wiki currently links to their section on the Goods article so they don't appear in the wanted pages section.
-3 are for locations (Broken Islands, Gloriano, and Barrier Station)
-1 is for a type of building (Clinic) although I will likely just expand this to "Rest Areas" as an overview article for all rest stops in the game since doing it for clinics alone makes little sense.
-1 is for a mechanical article (Stats)
==8 Are Not Actually Wanted Pages==
-5 are from a sandbox as placeholders and are not wanted pages.
-2 are denotations for missing files or links in articles and not actually wanted pages.
-1 is a false flag for "Lenus (Dragoon)" which I think is happening because of a renamed link being inserted into a template. The link in question is actually [[Lenus|Lenus (Dragoon)]] so is not a missing article, not sure how to prevent it being falsely flagged.
==3 Are Likely Going to Be Contained in Other Articles==
-2 are for creatures (Rock Fireflies and Menon) although Rock Fireflies would likely get absorbed into a "Rest Areas" overview article instead of getting its own, and Menon is likely to be completely contained within the Lavitz's Spirit or Zackwell articles so will probably be removed.
-1 is a faction (Gehrich Gang) although this one likely will get removed as it might be contained entirely within the Tiberoa article/would be contained within Gehrich's story were it actually written.
craggy wind
Thanks for compiling this data. +1 overall. Strongly agree about clinics - we need an article for general mechanics of resting, so references to hotels/clinics/free-heal-zones should be in one article with anchor links.
I call dibs on Barrier Stations. I take it you put the Lenus issue in the spreadsheet / WASS?
strange wing
Feel free. Haven't yet- just finished getting all this info together and doing the spot edits for the various links that were incorrect/too niche.
Note added to WASS
craggy wind
I find it interesting that we have a Lenus wiki glitch to match her in-game one.
strange wing
Haha, that's a fair point.
craggy wind
As for Gehrich Gang.. Initially I'm mixed feelings. The entity alternates between being a background and foreground arc for much of Chapter 2. So it could be contained in a Tiberoa or Chapter 2 article. Though, we'll be carving out articles for other entities of significance. One that purely covers Gehrich Gang could make for some good chronicling.
strange wing
Yeah I get how you feel- I think it mostly depends on how Gehrich's story section will be written since I'd just embed link to that if it completely overlapped (at present I can't imagine anything I'd include in a Gehrich Gang article that wouldn't be appropriate in Gehrich's story section since it revolves around him.)
strange wing
Some of the character articles would be incredibly brief- I'm tempted to group them into umbrella articles (similar to how Rest Areas would contain all info on Clinics, Inns, Rock Fireflies, etc.) For a few examples:
"Mythological Figures" for Soa, Moon Child, Black Monster,...
"Royalty" for Carlo, Zior, Emille, Theresa,... (Albert and Doel would be linked out since the content of their entries would be too great lol)
"Dignitaries" for Minister Noish, Father Faza, Fester, Bishop Dille, Librarian Ute,...
Not set on any of the these names/distinctions, but general idea would be to organize characters based on type of lore/information they add to the setting.
craggy wind
Yeah I get how you feel- I think it mostly depends on how Gehrich's story sectio...
The crux of this is that articles of higher scope (i.e. Tiberoa) can't present things like the Gehrich Gang plot contiguously. It's the same for Sandora. It's the defining entity of Chapter 1, yet its story can't be contiguously conveyed in a Chapter 1 / Serdio article without gutting all the stuff that happens in-between (i.e. meeting Shirley and Drake).
As for groupings, I think stuff like Royalty is better handled by categories. There's so little information, that such a compilation article would be a flat list at best. Category pages already do that, and we can edit the category with a little extra content if we need to.
There are tons of minor characters worth noting, that don't have enough info to justify their own article. I think we talked about this in the past, where we'd list key characters and maybe some minor ones for each location article. However, I'd love to see a bigger compilation article not tied down by any one location. Maybe a long list of all named characters, sorted alphabetically or by first mention / appearance. Each name that has its own dedicated article, we'll link to it. If they don't, well, that article can be a dumping ground for all the "tiny" lore that should be documented? Not sure it's the best approach, just brainstorming to see where it leads. We need a place for all the "minor lore" that doesn't fit on location articles but isn't big enough to justify dedicated articles. Some kind of compilation system would be great.
If nothing else, I think a flat lit of all named entities is a safe article to create. People, creatures, etc. "Everybody we know" kind of thing.
strange wing
"...a bandit gang known as the Gehrichs formed a conspiracy with an imposter posing as the heiress to take over the country. Expanding from their hideout in the ruined Home of Giganto, the Gehrichs grew bold enough to prowl the streets of Fletz at night and openly terrorize the city of Donau even during the day. After stealing the Red-Eye Dragoon Spirit from the Dragoons, they were tracked down and their leader was slain. While his death led to the disbanding of the Gehrichs..."
This is currently what the Tiberoa article has regarding the Gehrich Gang- in terms of contiguous plot it's pretty straight-forward on coverage. With some obvious word changes- this paragraph will likely also appear in Gehrich's story but expanded. I can easily envision a version of this being a touch more specific to include any missing details such as mentioning Mappi, Meru, Wink, Lynn, and Rouge martial arts. What plot beats do you think couldn't be integrated contiguously?
craggy wind
That's just how scope change works, in my experience. I tried to be clear with my example. We can afford more details, while keeping the subject contiguous rather than broken up.
Plus the lens thing I mentioned. Everything in the Tiberoa article is from how things affect Tiberoa. With a Gehrich Gang article, it can convey the perspective of the gang. Same as it would with Sandora, same as it does already with Dart. The epicenter is the difference.
This is the good redundancy of wikis, provided there are enough details to justify a tighter scope.