Destiny

[hollow rover]

FFXIV too

ARR launched in 2013 and it only really got popular in 2019

it stabilized a bit in Stormblood sure but from ARR to the end of Heavensward (especially the time between release to HW) was rough

even more so because some of the content had to be delayed for real world reasons

(this delay is part of why the post ARR sucks, the devs had to come up with filler content because what they had was a bit of a faux pas given real world circumstances at the moment)

[sinful hare]

I do enjoy how Heavy Metal seems to have triggered a Brigs vs Tanks debate with no clear victor.

Too bad it seems to have been just a temporary event and not a normal Crucible rotator mode.

I would of course be on Team Tank just as a matter of principle, tanks are cooler than mechas, and I like the clean designs of the City over the uh, jank of the Eliksni.

Drake Tank is a damn fine looking scifi tank, it's not overdesigned, it is just designed enough.

Actually now that the game has the tech for player-pilotable Brigs, those need to show up as a Raid or Dungeon mechanic.

The Drake of course already had its moment in Scourge of the Past, and various Campaign missions.

[mossy sage]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/05/17/new-marathon-info-bungie-morale-launch-worries-and-changing-plans/

https://x.com/destiny_thememe/status/1923717846221078583

D2 Postin' ⬛️⬜️🟪 (@destiny_thememe) on X

@PaulTassi @Forbes Why am i not surprised to see the confirmation of the whole extraction shooter thing being a leadership idea instead of devs genuinely wanting to make a game in the genre theyre sooo passionate about

X · May 17, 2025, 12:30 PM

[sinful hare]

I think the only time I've heard of morale at Bungie being awesome was after Witch Queen launched.

[mossy sage]

Well and the Halo days were heady, legendary crunch notwithstanding

To say the vibes have never been worse at a studio which has gone a ~50% reduction in force in the last two years is really saying something though

[drowsy salmon]

Man.

Two weeks ago I would have been distraught an anxious reading the contents of that article.

Now I'm just 🤷

And that frightens me more than anything Paul has said.

[mossy sage]

I'd love for Bungie to be able to turn it around

At this point I think that requires shedding some leadership (which probably results in ever more direct Sony control, which is not an inherent plus), but I do prefer a timeline where Bungie is able to return to some semblance of form to a timeline where Bungie is dissolved

[drowsy salmon]

I'd love that too, but I think that ship sailed at least a year and a half ago. :(

[mossy sage]

Maybe

Bungie has been pretty resilient though

[drowsy salmon]

I suppose all we can do is just wait and see.

Maybe Sony decides to keep on some of the teams to keep Destiny going. But idk if they can survive this without a major restructuring. I don't know if they should survive this without a major restructuring.

[somber lava]

Oh boy, round 2 is coming. Those boppin’ tunes are no longer boppin’

Oopsie doopsie, Bungie might have plagiarized the music too

https://vxtwitter.com/YuushioChan/status/1923289522642530636

Ana-mnesis⁷ (@YuushioChan)

It didn’t stop at her posters. They deliberately co-opted her design language and musical style. They stole her entire creative identity.

The ONE aspect of Marathon that everyone praised was its art direction - And that’s exactly what they took from her... https://t.co/z6ZqxOjJsM

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 16, 2025, 8:08 AM

[mossy sage]

https://x.com/yuushiochan/status/1923392866270810290

Ana-mnesis⁷ (@YuushioChan) on X

@Crimsn_ Not directly copied, but it definitely influenced the musical style for the game. They both use a dark, immersive textures to create a sense of tension or forward momentum mixed with minimalism.

TL;DR They took the "vibe" of her art + copied her posters 1:1

X · May 16, 2025, 2:59 PM

This is a harder case for me to buy into

I'm listening to some of her music right now and nothing of what I've heard from Marathon sounds super directly lifted from her. In fact, from what I've seen her music trends a lot... clubbier? than anything Bungie's ever done musically

https://soundcloud.com/n2-music

Sure there's some sci-fi gristle common to cyberpunky music but I think her music sounds a lot more like Cyberpunk 2077 than like Marathon

Yeah the more I listen to this the more it sounds like just dogpiling

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah I don't hear much connection beyond "well they're electronic"

I don't hear a lot of Marathon's DNA in any of the tracks I've listened to.

If there is in fact a connection, it feels much more in the realm of artistic inspiration, rather than straight-up lifting her aesthetic like they did visually.

[mossy sage]

https://x.com/paultassi/status/1923821994983768273

Paul Tassi (@PaulTassi) on X

The “ART Raiders” line is just so brutal by itself. That will stick

X · May 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

😬

[hollow rover]

They both use a dark, immersive textures to create a sense of tension or forward momentum mixed with minimalism.

okay this one is kinda bull

[mossy sage]

Yeah like I say, it seems more like an attempt to dunk than a real problem

[hollow rover]

there's only so many ways to convey atmosphere with the aesthetics

[hollow rover]

okay that is a good one

I don't think Arc Raiders is going to amount to much of anything but ART Raiders is really funny lmao

[mossy sage]

"ART Raiders" might be a joke that outlasts both games

[hollow rover]

LMAO I hope so

[drowsy salmon]

Things are going great in the Marathon discord (NSFW)

[mossy sage]

I haven't looked

I imagine it is a dumpster fire

[drowsy salmon]

I haven't looked too closely either. But apparently some of the channels are just...not moderated at all right now.

Like, "anime tiddies and the n-word with a hard R" unmoderated.

[mossy sage]

[sinful hare]

https://youtu.be/Tw5vnqmFQl4?si=USU4dpEbee33eJiX

YouTube really felt that I should see this for some reason.

It is Wish Walling to Riven yes but that macro-free input is pretty neat.

Good to see Behemoth melt is still alive and well.

[sinful hare]

The Marathon Official discord? Looks like there's 20 Bungo devs online rn, but I suppose they don't actually mod the place, they're just devs.

[drowsy salmon]

Excuse me what the actual crem was that wish wall?

[sinful hare]

It's the artistry of war. The Wish Wall their canvas, Divinity their brush.

[drowsy salmon]

Seriously.

It's also interesting to me to see when speedrunners do need to focus on add-clear. Most of the time you associate it with crazy-ass parkour.

But so much of Queenswalk was them clearing adds for both survival and setting up their Diamond Lances.

[mossy sage]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/05/19/its-just-over-for-marathon/

Jesus, Paul

[drowsy salmon]

This feels more like Paul venting than anything newsworthy but...yeah he's definitely channeling the vibe in the room.

[somber lava]

I mean he ain’t wrong. Even if the art thing wasn’t the pack of elephants in the room, there’s still the mid-ness of the game loop.
Even in their own (disaster) dev stream they said “we are working on base features ” and bla bla bla more stuff
Brother?! What?! Base features was supposed to be a year ago. Even the Destiny alpha had at least the Base Features done so we could run around with it in our tiny cosmodrome playbox

And then then when asked “Will there be the Phor aliens in the game?”
The answer was “Listen… we are building rapidly but not infinitely…” which is a long winded corpo speak for No

And on top of it all, the established Extraction shooter crowd isn’t impressed. Like listen to Shroud, The extraction shooter guy of extraction shooter guys

https://vxtwitter.com/ShroudUpdate/status/1911159989906907464

Shroud Updates (@ShroudUpdate)

Shroud's initial thoughts on the new extraction shooter 'Marathon'

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 12, 2025, 8:50 PM

[drowsy salmon]

The part about the game neither being for casuals nor hardcores really brings it home.

As a casual, I'm just never gonna play the game where I can get randomly domed by another player and loose all my stuff. I don't care how fun fighting UESC is.

And the game is not interesting or innovative enough to attract people who like the genre.

Even if he didn't have an inside Bungie source confirming it, it really is obviously someone's pet project that went too far. "Hey had fun in Tarkov, we should try making that." Yeah I would have much rather gotten the Destiny dating simulator thanks.

Bungie's spent at least 6 years working on this game and basically all they have to show is some really pretty indoor environments that aren't even their own designs.

[somber lava]

Marathon could have been so cool as a Doom 2016 style reboot , but as a really unique First Person Shooter Dark Souls with the “Upload my Cybernetic body” terminal save points from the original games as bonfires equivalents

[mossy sage]

The only answer I've ever been able to come up with to the question "who is this game even for?" is the worst kind of Destiny pvp sweat who doesn't want to be good but does want to farm hypercasuals uncontested, often for content

[mossy sage]

This is an excellent idea and now I'm sad we're not getting it

[drowsy salmon]

It makes sense doesn't it? Boomer shooters have been a thing recently. They could have made a focused, linear box-product that leverages the the campaign-building skills they (re) learned for Witch Queen. Maybe it gets some patches and a DLC or two after launch. But they wouldn't be trying to juggle two live-services and would prove to Sony and the public that yes they can still make good games.

[fervent gazelle]

you know what else is hot right now?
Turn based RPGs

I started this as a joke, but guardian classes and guns could work pretty well as the flavour for character skills

pilot a raid team

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah, Destiny could have done something cool and character-based. They have a deep roster they can draw from, either set it during the dark age or have weird timeline shenanigans pull characters from history.

[drowsy salmon]

I'd love to play as half-Vexified Kabr or do a combo attack where Efrideet yeets Saladin across the battlefied or recreate Shaxx's fireteam from Twilight Gap.

Oh well. Maybe Gummy Bears will be fun in a couple years.

[sinful hare]

This is probably the biggest problem. I don't mind if they make an extraction shooter but they should've made a good extraction shooter, at least.

Whatever lightning in a bottle they had with D1 Trials that kept the game pinned to the Top 10 on Twitch for all of 2015 (well, since it came out) and 2016, just has never been replicated.

[quaint scroll]

ooh. imagine if you have an xcom game where you play a team of characters who do their whole plotline and come out on top, only to end in a, "hey that was a vex simulation, thank you for giving us these guys" and then those guys show up as villains in a vex expansion in D2

[sinful hare]

They are not one of Sony's boxed product studios and they cannot be allowed to make boxed product games. They were bought for live service and that is what they must do.

That is the decree from Tokyo.

As for Paul, he is being a Not For Me salty Destiny PvE-only player hater rn, on top of the actual issues surrounding Marathon.

[drowsy salmon]

I mean yes, but their maligned direction for Marathon came well before they scammed Sony.

[sinful hare]

I mean it was probably part of their valuation. Sony had googly eyes for live services which is why "we have a second one in the works wink wink" earned Bungo their $3.6 B in pre-moneyprinting numbers.

[drowsy salmon]

But hey at least Pete got to buy that vintage car.

[sinful hare]

Sony have probably taken a loss if they were to try and sell Bungo now.

But that's probably not going to happen. If Bungo dies it will die with their remaining capital assets (like their fancy new office) being sold off piecemeal and their remaining devs moved to other Sony US studios or laid off.

From what I understand BioWare is basically like 6 dudes in a room at this point, technically alive, but with everything they were being repurposed or purged in some way or another, because they've failed too hard for too long now.

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah, at this point the best case scenario I see for Bungie is a chunk of them getting rounded up to keep the lights on with Destiny for a year or two (because that's at least a functional game that's out and is probably making at least some money), and the rest get let go or moved to other Sony projects.

I know someone who's been working as a contractor at Bungie. She's worried the studio will expire before her contract does.

[sinful hare]

My expectation is that they will put a lot of work into the Destiny new player experience before Renegades comes out.

That's the card they're playing to get new peeps to replace the offboarded population after Final Shape (a portion of which will return with Edge of Fate, but a portion of which will not).

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah, and that'd be the time to do it, as they're probably hoping they can get some attention/interest from their whole Fortnite/Universes Beyond gimick.

So it'd be the right call for sure. Does that mean Bungie will actually do it? lol, lmao even.

[sinful hare]

They need to, it's the single best investment they can make right now.

They wanted corporate synergies, timing an actually functional new player experience to hit with the Star Wars licensed crossover is that.

[mossy sage]

Those vintage cars

[mossy sage]

I dunno man I don't see it being Concord but I do see it going into the Suicide Squad bin

Makes it a year, quietly taken out behind the shed

A tidy but not unmanageable loss (for a healthy company, which Bungie is not), maybe break even if they're extraordinarily lucky (which Bungie, frankly, is)

[half night]

I'm still so mad about that

[sinful hare]

That doesn't change the fact that Tassi hates Marathon for just being what it is, and probably would do so even without the art scandal.

As for its performance, I think it will do better than Anthem, but not as well as Tarkov (which despite being a first-mover that defined a genre, isn't actually that successful).

Like Overwatch 2 levels of staying-alive success.

It's quite clear that the game is built relatively cheaply, with the reused Destiny animations, asset-free gameplay atoms, stolen art, the low quantity of content overall. And the genre is built to have an entry fee so they don't need to rely on continuous retention so much. So they probably could break even.

Tassi himself reported about a 550:300 developer split between Fate Saga Destiny and Marathon, so a little over a third of Bungo's total.

[drowsy salmon]

I think, given how poorly Marathon/Bungie sits in the public eye, it could bomb pretty badly. Really gonna depend on how well the Bungie hype machine does their job.

Usually they're pretty damn on-point, but I wonder how badly they were hit by the layoffs. The streams have just not landed the same way their promo material usually does.

[sinful hare]

They don't do ViDocs these days like they did in the Joegoroth era. At least for me those were central to the Destiny expansion HYPE cycle.

That 8-minute Secret Level type cinematic was tho, albeit not reflective of the game itself at all in the way that the ViDocs were.

Streams both don't need them to pay a marketing editor (probably got laid off) and take less time than doing a bunch of highly curated interviews and then taking the best cuts. The devs are on the couch for as long as you see them and then they're right back to whatever they were doing.

[drowsy salmon]

Random tangent: It occurred to me that the destructable environment tech we saw in Lightfall was probably developed for Marathon, or vice-versa.

[mossy sage]

He is, but I watched his video followup to the article I posted and he is at least making conscious effort to be clearheaded about Marathon despite not being interested in extraction shooters generally. I kinda got the vibe that this is something that has been brewing for months and now he feels like he has the evidence to support what was only a feeling

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah the community's been rather "eeeh are you sure about this Bungie?" from the get-go. How many times did we say Bungie bet the farm on this? And now all that fear's crystalizing into a very real set of concerns.

[sinful hare]

https://vxtwitter.com/destinytrack/status/1924817810082926838

DestinyTracker🔺 (@destinytrack)

🚨 NEW: Destiny Rising - New Trailer From NetEase | #Destiny2

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 20, 2025, 1:21 PM

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/leia-youre-my-only-hope-star-wars-gif-14502241

They certainly nailed the general aesthetic and feel of Destiny. In the initial previews, it felt a little JRPG-ed (I know it's a Chinese company), but this looks quite Destiny. Honestly more Destiny than some D2 stuff, with the classic Cabal armor, etc.

[somber lava]

[TFW the spin-off phone game is more respectful to the source material than the original creators]

Also bruh they really did achieve dual wielding before the real game

[drowsy salmon]

I know right? There's several things in there I'd love to have in the main game.

The big Titan super where you summon an enormous gun is another one.

[mossy sage]

Summoning a Halo minigun that shoots bees was a theorycraft Resonance Titan Super I wanted at some point

[versed ember]

It really should've been...

[half night]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-deltora-quest-bee-meme-deltora-quest-gif-21153737

[sinful hare]

Realization: Renegades is probably going to be the first time since Witch Queen that Destiny gets new non-Exotic weapon models.

Edge of Fate looks like it's gonna continue with the (at this point actually impressive) tradition of putting Weird Stuff on top of existing gun models to make them look unique.

I wonder if they'll just bring the Marathon weapon suite into D2 at some point.

FWIW a lot of those are pretty good looking guns.

[somber lava]

I expect a Conditional Finality skin is gonna be added at some point

[drowsy salmon]

I need a better look at the magazine to figure out which base model it's reskinning.

Think it might be Abyss Defiant?

[sinful hare]

It is Vanquisher from D1 vanilla.

Common ancestor with Abyss Defiant.

[drowsy salmon]

Yep. So they took the bones off of AD and replaced them with...metal stuff?

Looks vaguely Vexy and vaguely Nine-y, but not really either.

[sinful hare]

It's kinda remarkable how different the Vex ARs already in the game are tbh. Not even counting Atheon's Epilogue which is both very generic (as all the VoG legendaries were) and didn't make it to D2. And not counting the Mythoclast.

Reckless Oracle and Pluperfect were both from Shadowkeep which despite the resource reduction was still an era of new gun models coming out.

Reckless Oracle is also IMO.

The Echoes AR is clearly a Hakke gun with Vex Stuff on top tho.

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah some of the Echoes reskins were pretty good.

Some of them fell into the "obviously other gun with doohickies" but others looked unique and interesting.

I didn't interact with the Revenant guns enough to remember what they looked/felt like. But the Heresey transformation guns were cool. Would have prefered they used more D1 models as the base, but oh well.

[sinful hare]

The Echoes AR and rocket sidearm were pretty neat.

The Trace was meh, Traces suffer massively from the existence of only 1 base model they all must pull from.

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah....every Trace is just the Halo laser in some form.

Still, the best reskins this year were the deck of cards from the Pale Heart. They were reskins done right because A) they used relatively generic base models, and B) transformed enough to generate a unique aesthetic that overrode the base models' original looks.

Like, the AR is a reskin of Pluperfect, but it still feels like its own thing.

Yeah, that's clearly Pluperfect's handle and stock. But the barrel and sight assembley look like they were designed to go with it, instead of something completely different glued on top.

[mossy sage]

My first read was "traces aren't the Spartan Laser" and the I realized you meant the sentinel beam which is also a laser

[sinful hare]

He means the Focus Rifle from Reach.

[drowsy salmon]

Lol all I know is that it's a Halo reference.

[sinful hare]

It helps that Pluperfect is a really skinny gun so they had visual and volumetric budget to shape a sleek fairing around it that looks like it is meant to be there.

[somber lava]

-# Focus Rifle mentioned, obligatory comically in depth video shall be provided

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ROsFs9UYzU&pp=ygUhSG93IHRvIHVzZSBmb2N1cyByaWZsZSBoYWxvIHJlYWNo

[sinful hare]

They really thought the badass Beam Rifle from the main trilogy was too similar to the UNSC Sniper so they gave the Covvies this thing.

[somber lava]

Reach Jackals with Beam Rifle would have been the second coming of Halo 2 Jackal Alley
Such malicious godhood can only be granted to the Turkey’s once

[half night]

At the very least they wouldn't one tap you with a body shot

[blissful surge]

About to do the first mission of this season/chapter/whatever the heck they’re called

[somber lava]

And to no one’s surprise, the absolute dumpster fire Bungie put themselves in is going to have a major delay issued for nuMarathon

https://x.com/TauCetiGG/status/1926369816354381969

Marathon Bulletin (@TauCetiGG)

🚨NEW: Marathon delay likely as Sony has reportedly canceled all paid marketing plans for the game - https://t.co/8tVcVO2NdT

X · May 24, 2025, 8:08 PM

[mossy sage]

I think a delay is prudent and possible, but this is not evidence

[drowsy salmon]

Yay! The game may have gone from 100% probability of dead on arrival to a 90% probability!

[mossy sage]

Tassi reported earlier this week that he'd heard from internal sources that all marketing was getting scrapped

[drowsy salmon]

All marketing likely has to be scrapped because it contains antireal’s art.

[mossy sage]

They're changing strategy but also the marketing has game assets yeah

I kind of think that the less faith Sony has in Marathon's success, the less likely they are to authorize a delay

Any delay represents at minimum paying employees to build a game that is not making money and is not likely to make money when they could be, to put it bluntly, laying those employees off

But now they have to orchestrate a new marketing campaign on top of that, pay people to replace stolen assets (probably to some extent pulling from Destiny employees on that one), and figure out how to address the very tepid reception of the alpha which had its wind stolen from its sails by a competitor no one had ever heard of

[sinful hare]

It might be a delay, but it also might be a harbinger to the game just getting canceled (which could happen if Sony have begun to think that it will Concord).

[mossy sage]

Genuinely do not know if they can afford to have effectively two cancellations of this magnitute in one year

[somber lava]

They got the a-ok to delay a year for less

Remember nuMarathon was supposed to come out last year but delay because unanimously all the Tarkov and Destiny pvp folks they invited for the pre pre alpha said “Bruh, this game is ass”

[versed ember]

Sony? I mean Sony Interactive Entertainment had an operating income (post expenses, pre taxes) of $2.8 billion last year

So...

I think they'll be fine

[sinful hare]

If they delay now then they have the whole GTA VI clearance zone issue to deal with.

[stray raft]

I feel like that would make them less likely to get another delay. If they were given a delay to improve the quality and the reception is still that it's pretty ass, why would they expect the quality to improve after another delay.

[mossy sage]

That's.... not a lot of money, for an entire division like this anymore

And I'm also only talking about Concord and Marathon, which would both be finish line cancellations

[versed ember]

I mean...it's a solid 10% of total revenue

[mossy sage]

Not even Fairgames or the other mid-stream stuff

[versed ember]

Plus, bungie are the ones who've sunk most of the cost

[mossy sage]

Sony bought Bungie for more than that

Don't really have a lot to show for it

What do they even have this year? Offhand I can think... Spider-man 2 for PC, Ghost of Yotei.... is that it? Supposed to have Marathon and Concord in there but that isn't exactly panning out

Unless they do push Marathon out and just hope for the best

Mmmm TLOU2 on PC as well

(Note: TLOU2 and Spider-man 2 both had rough PC launches, and in both cases it is believed Sony was driving them out the door before they were ready)

I think they're publishing Death Stranding 2 as well? The marketing on that has been bizarre, I didn't even know it was almost out until like a week or two ago

Yeah it is published by Sony

[quaint scroll]

tbf, I can see the logic for pushing those out, even if the quality is subpar at launch, because they're proven products
they don't really need to capture the market on them - people who're going to buy them will buy them eventually regardless, even if they're bad at launch

[mossy sage]

I mean even more cynically it is capitalizing on the very good Horizon launch

[fervent gazelle]

horizon PC was a good launch?

It wasn't anywhere near CP2077 levels, but weren't there a bunch of bugs?

including the left stick being offset at an angle for some reason

[sinful hare]

I didn't encounter any issues when it dropped on PC. But that's just me.

Also I was on M&K.

[mossy sage]

Forbidden West

HZD was not good

HFW was

Should have clarified but HFW is a relevantly timed release to Spider-man 2 and TLOU2

[drowsy salmon]

Yep. LIghtfall sold pretty good, Final Shape sold okay. That's all Bungie's really done for Sony so far.

[drowsy salmon]

Thought: Since this has kinda become the place to talk about Marathon, should we rename this channel "Destiny & Marathon" for now? At least until Marathon actually dies?

[sinful hare]

If AAKS wants to I guess (or Rasarr? Not sure who runs this place), I don't really mind either way.

[fervent gazelle]

#bungie-jumping-art-theft-and-other-exciting-activities

[glad wedge]

I'd be fine with changing it to something like Bungie Games

but don't have time to do that rn

[drowsy salmon]

Personally I think Destiny & Marathon would work better for new people to discover the thread, as other Bungie games aren't really relevant these days. On the other hand, I'm not sure how many people are really joining this thread nowadays.

[mossy sage]

1. Probably more trouble than it is worth
2. Most of us, maybe all of us are talking about Marathon with the implicit premise of "how does this affect Destiny", as I don't think any of us are really interested in Marathon for its own merits
3. I don't think Marathon discussion needs to be routed out of the gaming general channel. In fact it is probably better that things like the plagiarism scandal are discussed there because that is a thing that should be as generally known as possible

[somber lava]

Deci was pretty hyped about Marathon, but last time he spoke was on Day 1 of the Alpha or somethin’
Before the Day 2 mega 90% drop off, before Ark Raiders alpha blew Marathon’s out of the water with each day achieving the Peak of the previous day or More, and before the great art heist

[sinful hare]

That was another optics eff up, Bungo let so few people in, they let Kon in for some reason and people who actually wanted to play Marathon got shown the door, and then Arc came out and handed out 20x the codes so it looked like they were so much more successful.

At least Arc Raiders put the "lol lmao $40 and battlepasses" crowd to silence by having the same monetization structure.

[mossy sage]

https://youtu.be/Sr4MhIWZcO8

A good clarification I think

[mossy sage]

To be fair, they never actually asked how excited about Marathon I was specifically, just my history with Bungie games and other shooters

And my hardware (which I lied about, since they "required" an Intel processor. It worked just fine with AMD)

[drowsy salmon]

So they're really still going for the September release date?

Welp, RIP Marathon, we hardly knew yee. 🫡

[mossy sage]

Well, we can't say that with any more confidence than we can say there is definitely a delay

Tassi hasn't heard anything from his internal sources about a delay, and the cancellation of the ads has other explanations and is not conclusive evidence of a delay/cancellation of the game

[somber lava]

If no delay , the ads were pulled because they have to Reshoot ALL the ads because they are using the game textures with the stolen art, and potentially more stolen art we just didn’t have time to get caught red handed in the public

[quaint scroll]

it would be dark and hilarious if their second set of ads also runs into the same problem

[mossy sage]

I mean, it wasn't the ads with the problem at all, really

It was the alpha itself

Several of the artists involved with antireal were just going around the maps finding all their stolen assets

[subtle sorrel]

tbf about the alpha, they really did only intend it for there to be a tech test. they knew stuff would leak but they weren't planning on publicly showing much footage at all

[mossy sage]

That's true, but that only changes the when rather than the what on this

I don't think there's any real belief or expectation that the assets here were temporary

And if they were Bungie would have said so

[somber lava]

The wording they used implies they believed the art textures were done and finalized. Redoing who knows how many textures in 2 months is unprecedented in the industry

[subtle sorrel]

im only really referring to gameplay here not the whole plagiarism debacle

[fervent gazelle]

it was planned to come out september this year
if your gameplay is still clunky you have problems

[versed ember]

It's one thing if a few weapons or abilities or such aren't fully fleshed out yet. But if you're still working on core mechanics? Something's wrong

[mossy sage]

https://x.com/destiny_thememe/status/1929217813035553177

D2 Postin' ⬛️⬜️🟪 (@destiny_thememe)

SWHFTT‼️‼️SUNDAY‼️‼️
56. The day Crow discovered Guardian Fashion

X · Jun 1, 2025, 4:45 PM

[sinful hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCzvKBveJk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZ0vpa9RPw&pp=0gcJCbEJAYcqIYzv

[drowsy salmon]

Anyone have a tl;dw per chance?

[sinful hare]

Haven't watched em myself, but might later.

[drowsy salmon]

Okie I might watch them with lunch then.

[sinful hare]

Anotha one
https://youtu.be/1nOMdSex1Sc?si=KSPk3wkp_rt-kxwP

Cutting Edge activities are basically a form of sunsetting.

Oh there is more Datto videos. I won't link em all. He doing a content barrage today.

[drowsy salmon]

Eh

cool I guess.

Curious, is anyone here still actively playing the game?

I think Deci maybe?

Oh man, folks have been asking for that Titan exotic for years.

||It lets you Thor-summon your throwing hammer back to your hand.||

Would be very excited if I were still playing.

[sinful hare]

I've only watched the Portal video. Datto's not a fan of it.

It is a very generic UI. Straightforward sure but also just artless, with none of the character the Director had.

[drowsy salmon]

Bungie probably doesn't have the money/manpower for new art

Huh ||floating jetpack Fallen||

[sinful hare]

The Director was iconic tho and the way he's speaking is making me think it's just gone? I hope it's not.

I am kind of a fan of being "in" the world in games in general, going to actual places, interacting with NPCs to get your quests or whatever.

That was part of the charm of Forsaken, you were on the ground in the Dreaming City for much of its endgame in a way that you rarely were in the Joegoroth era expansions. To access the Shattered Throne you had to go to an actual place and talk to a Techeun.

There is some kinda balance to be struck between immersion and convenience tho and they're just going completely into convenience now.

And yeah, menus are also lower budget than art, than NPCs, etc. So there is that.

[mossy sage]

Destiny has always been so heavily on the convenience side already too

I am not a Muh Immersion gamer but Destiny could use more immersion, not less

[sinful hare]

It's still quite the progression to go from Ascendant Challenges being a thing you just had to locate in the world and figure out the mechanics of, to just a chunky menu telling you exactly what to do next.

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah that's been the overall trend over the years. Simplify everything that was "inconvenient" or "a waste of time."

Fun flavor like weapon materials, etc. got tossed in the "bloat" bin.

[sinful hare]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/destiny-2-edge-of-fate-interview/

The new Matterspark is, for anyone who was wondering, indeed just using Arc energy. It's a new thingy but not a whole new form of paracausal thingamajiggery.

[drowsy salmon]

😔

We could have gotten Sunbreaker, Gunslinger, and Voidwalker aspects

[sinful hare]

Goddammit I just visited r/DTG

https://tenor.com/view/open-close-open-twitter-twitter-gif-14219882

There's all this like massive systems change going on and the thing they're hung up on is Prismatic getting nerfed? Seriously? How is that important.

Looks like there is a comically short-ranged shotgun HC frame now.

I can't say I'm a fan of them doing that instead of just making primary weapon shotguns, even using existing shotgun models. Why's it gotta be a handgun?

[fervent gazelle]

because Craftening

[mossy sage]

I could see a class of little .410s being fun

[mossy sage]

I mean how dare they reduce player power even the slightest bit

[fervent gazelle]

📈

[sinful hare]

It ranks high on the list of least surprising nerfs ever. Prismatic was an aggressively Final Shape coded thing that's had its time now.

Strand and Stasis are still stuck out here with only 1 Super.

[drowsy salmon]

But muh ability to murder down hordes of dregs in 0.3 seconds instead of 0.4!

[versed ember]

Because Hand Cannons >>>>> other weapons

[versed ember]

Not atm. I might go back and mop up seasonal story before it ends, but...probably not tbh

[mossy sage]

The deep irony of this is that Bungie's shotguns have been hand cannon tier for far longer than hand cannons have existed, but Bungie's never really figured out how to balance them in pve so people rarely get to experience them in their glory

[versed ember]

Oh I meant purely in aesthetics lol. They're cool

[mossy sage]

Oh I mean I give it to shotguns there too tbh

I love Bungie shotguns

The Halo shotgun reload sound is up there with Loud Lullaby's reload zing as one of my all time favorite weapon sounds in video games

[versed ember]

Fair lol

I just love me my space revolvers

[mossy sage]

I like them less than I might have in a world where they hadn't become God's Chosen Weapon

[versed ember]

Valid

[mossy sage]

I also like the 140s a lot and they tend to be consistently bad pve

[hollow rover]

d2 takes up too much space on disk unfortunately 😔

I do want to play but it is hard to free like 110gb for it

[sinful hare]

The new stats having extremely blunt names instead of the RPG-flavored ones is another step towards moving Destiny away from mysticism and towards accessibility.

Being named Health, Melee, Grenade, Super, Class, and Weapons.

Health combines Resilience and Recovery but the DR effect that Resilience had since Season 17 is just entirely gone. The couple extra HP you get looks like it is still there. And the Recuperation mod is just a default feature of all Guardians now with its strength scaling with the Health stat.

Melee is Strength but along with the cooldown reduction at high levels it also actually increases the damage of your melees. Even in PvP.

Same with Grenade stat replacing Discipline.

Same with Super stat replacing Intellect. Yes, Super damage scales with a stat now.

Class stat now gives you overshield when using your Class Ability, I wonder if that's just like a moment of overshield to protect you during the animation or if it sticks afterward. The different classes are now no longer dependent on different stats for their Class Abilities.

Weapons increases reload speed and handling, and also damage. At low levels only increases damage vs adds (Minor and Major combatants), at high levels also starts adding damage vs Bosses and other Guardians.

Aside from the loss of the naming flavor I think I actually like this system. Feels like a ground-up rebuild of the sandbox.

[blissful surge]

Yeah that’s a fundamental game change (idk if it’s good or bad it’s just A LOT)

Honestly not sure I get enough enjoyment out of D2 to want to learn how all of this works going forward lol

[sinful hare]

If Weapons increases Boss damage I can't see anyone maxxing any other stat for Raids and Dungeons, at least for the encounters that have bosses. It'll be as mandatory as Resilience is now.

[blissful surge]

What raids

Did they announce a new one?

[sinful hare]

With the Resilience DR gone I also suspect the new difficulty level above Grandmaster will probably feel like Old School GMs, while the difficulty level now wearing the name Grandmaster will be ~at the level GMs are now.

[sinful hare]

Yeah, Edge of Fate has a new Raid.

[blissful surge]

Like new new?

[sinful hare]

Yeah it's not Wrath or one of the early D2 Raids.

Apparently its name is also, confusingly, Edge of Fate.

[blissful surge]

What’s with bungie and the edge

But also huh, I checked out of the game post vespers so I’m legit surprised because after salvation people were like yeah this might be the last raid

[sinful hare]

Huh, Special and Heavy ammo are no longer generated by RNG-ass bricks, but by filling up lil meters on the UI that only charge by doing stuff (not over time). A bit like Transcendance.

Yup, totally different sandbox.

[drowsy salmon]

But I think Wrath is coming back too? In the Autumn mini-seaosn before the Star Wars thingie

[drowsy salmon]

This all sounds cool on paper but..yeah those names are ass.

And all the accessibility in the world own't matter if they don't revamp the new player experience.

[somber lava]

Plaguelands are coming back for the season-not-season™️

No word if that means bonus Revamp raid, or if that just means we round off the D2-ification of D1’s Hoardmode-not-horadmodes ™️
Prison of Elders -> Tomb of Elders
Court of oryx -> The Nether
Archons Forge -> [Redacted]

[sinful hare]

https://youtu.be/QFAEId3cAh4?si=kcc2qwXrUaRtCj6L

[somber lava]

The Taken are upgrading

[sinful hare]

They whined so hard that Prismatic has been pre-emptively unnerfed.

https://fixvx.com/Destiny2Team/status/1930298425074913344

Destiny 2 Team (@Destiny2Team)

Re: Prismatic Subclass Tuning - Fragments

During our hands-on preview for Destiny 2: The Edge of Fate, we shared an early look at Prismatic tuning planned for Destiny 2 Update 9.0.0.

This tuning pass reduced the number of Fragments that could be placed on various Aspects, as we've found the Prismatic subclasses have been a bit hot since release. Certain Prismatic builds have increased damage output and survivability to a point where some challenges can feel trivial, and bringing everything else up to Prismatic's level wouldn't help to solve this issue in a healthy manner. We see this conversation about "power creep" frequently, which is why we take time to tune things up or down during release timelines; this gives us an opportunity to reign in outliers when new content is coming online.

While we're still planning an overall tuning pass for Prismatic for a future date, featuring buffs alongside other changes, we'll be changing our approach for The Edge of Fate a bit in res…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 4, 2025, 4:19 PM

[drowsy salmon]

Hmm. I’m gonna be honest, I kinda agree with this. Prismatic needs a nerf, but reducing the number of fragments is not it imo.

Running a build with less than 4 fragments feels a little gimped inherently.

[sinful hare]

I think it was to compensate for the existence of Transcendence, but I guess that for the Titan at least Knockout Consecration just is the whole subclass so reducing that combo to just 2 Fragments is pretty harsh.

Especially since Consecration regularly eats global nerfs that then get fed back to Sunbreaker which is much worse at using it.

A good nerf for Prismatic would be to drastically increase the total damage values required to fill the Transcendence meter.

[drowsy salmon]

That’d be a good one. And I prefer they’d nerf the synergy of Consecration + knockout specifically, and leave Sunbreaker alone.

[versed ember]

That would definitely help. Could also make the fragments have additional stat penalties.

[drowsy salmon]

Then again I don’t have a vested interest in gameplay anymore so 🤷

[versed ember]

Basically: there's better ways to do it lol

[sinful hare]

Fragment stat bonuses and penalties are getting globally reworked anyway.

[versed ember]

Oh right

I forgor

[sinful hare]

RIP Mobility 🫡

I think Mobility will probably still exist under the hood actually because of things like for eg. Amplified which works by just adding a huge chunk to Mobility (+60 or something).

[versed ember]

Probably yeah. It's a mechanic fundamental to how a lot of those perks work, not just in terms of the number on your character screen

[drowsy salmon]

Would anyone miss Killing Wind if they just deleted it though?

[mossy sage]

No

I'd hazard to say a good 60% of perks could meaninglessly be deleted, and of the remainder about half of those are only good on niche guns or in niche combinations

[sinful hare]

Huh so the 30% Resilience DR is gone, but you will still get 15% DR from wearing all Cutting Edge (i.e. current Season) armor. And 15% bonus damage from Cutting Edge weapons.

So that's basically a way to keep people having to continuously regrind stuff / effectively rolling sunsetting. I'm not sure if it applies to the entire game tho or just to some things.

15% damage is basically a whole damage perk and 15% DR is a good chunk of extra EHP.

Yeah I don't see myself getting back on this wagon. I will watch streams of Edge of Fate, I want to see where they're taking the story. I'm definitely not buying it.

[somber lava]

Ew, treadmill armor is back

[sinful hare]

Treadmill weapons too!

[mossy sage]

I need to know if Gordon Freeman is a meme or not

[sinful hare]

According to Datto he is a chill dude.

[mossy sage]

So yes

[fervent gazelle]

Sorry what?

[sinful hare]

The new NPC.

[mossy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-gif-5409179477895956120

[fervent gazelle]

That sure is a gif of freeman

I'm guessing it's the NPC's head?

[somber lava]

Literally a 1:1

[sinful hare]

He is also scienceman.

[drowsy salmon]

Meanwhile, I specifically don’t want to see where they’re taking the story. Unless they announce that no Renegades won’t be canon.

[drowsy salmon]

Well Datto would say that about the NPC who looks like him

[somber lava]

So this is where Beeg palebeart ghost came from
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/jg58MHZjsjI

[mossy sage]

https://youtu.be/fWVvxJeOEM8

They're back

[little frigate]

Datto looks like he really doesn't want to be

[drowsy salmon]

to be fair, he does kinda have a resting "you idiot" face.

I blame it on being friends with Jez.

[mossy sage]

This isn't even Datto from this video

He's got several of these up on several other channels too so I'm pretty sure he isn't being made to at gunpoint

[sinful hare]

Is Datto allowed to use his knowledge of future mechanics for these?

Oh he is lol.

I do like how everyone's current armor sets are the Artifice sets we all farmed off of Master Caiatl back before Lightfall launched.

Mactics still has is EDZ Tokens.

[sinful hare]

Datto representin' for the Glaive meta.

[versed ember]

REAL

[mossy sage]

hwhat

[sinful hare]

Space Mom?

[fervent gazelle]

(for those who are like me, that's the Creative Director of Warframe)

[somber lava]

It’s about as funny as hearing Joe Blackburn (when he was director) say “Pick me!” For a warframe lore video

Rebecca is a very mature and professionally serious woman yes yes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dFdyg2G3Yk&pp=ygUSUmViZWNjYSBmb3JkIGZ1bm55

[subtle sorrel]

she would unironically improve cross' videos by tenfold. his channel is a content slop rage farm now

hes like 3 steps away from being a regularly showered asmongold

[subtle sorrel]

i have a degen gambit grinder in my clan. bro is a certified freak

[drowsy salmon]

The slow strangulation continues....

[sinful hare]

ding4.mp3

[mossy sage]

https://x.com/numskulldesigns/status/1933160609522102439

Numskull Designs (@NumskullDesigns)

✨Saddle up, Guardians!✨

The Starhorse 11.5" plushie has descended from the realms of space to bring interdimensional plushie power to your gaming space! Soft. Majestic. Confusingly powerful.

Add this celestial cosmic steed to your Destiny collection today!

X · Jun 12, 2025, 1:53 PM

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-destiny2-bungie-30th-anniversary-drifter-gif-24001545

[somber lava]

To no one’s surprise, Sony’s official wording is dropping September from the vocabulary
Looks like they softly preparing to say a 6 month delay

https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-admits-marathon-feedback-has-been-varied-but-insists-it-will-avoid-repeating-concord-mistakes-and-commits-to-launch-by-end-of-march-2026

[versed ember]

Gasp

[mossy sage]

Still committing to FY2025 though

So as late as March, but not later

[versed ember]

Fiscal years are stupid

Why the heck does it start in MARCH

Or april

Whatever it is

Why does it have to be different smh

[sinful hare]

Posted about this a while ago in the non-Bungie channel: #1342603794370007050 message

Sony still believes, and Bungo have a significant buffer of time for delays.

[mossy sage]

Taxes

[sinful hare]

Gosh I recently had to deal with a bug at work because our fiscal May was 37 days long and extended both into real-life April and real-life June.

Our FY starts in July tho and it being a full half year out of phase with reality is more convenient than having it start on April Fools at least.

[sinful hare]

For the most part, yeah.

[sinful hare]

https://fixvx.com/DestinyBulletn/status/1933587782947012838

Destiny Bulletin (@DestinyBulletn)

Destiny 2 cheaters are now spawning GIANT MOTHS in PvP. How is this even possible 😭💀

📷@Aztecross https://t.co/agj8BxzUsa

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 13, 2025, 6:10 PM

Gravelord Nito would be proud.

[somber lava]

https://i.imgflip.com/52733n.png

[half night]

What the heck?

[drowsy salmon]

Idk if six months will be enough to save it though. Even if Bungie crunches hard.

[somber lava]

It’s effectively just time for the art team to redo all the textures and textures with Antireal’s art (and potentially other artists now that the plagiarism detection team woke up)

And maybe a gameplay element or two could be touched, but that’s about it

[sinful hare]

Everyone who isn't the art team should be using the time to improve some aspect of the game. And also importantly the buffer gives them time to spin up marketing efforts again.

[fervent gazelle]

unless the art team tell them to not touch a thing so they don't have to account for changes

[sinful hare]

Marketing are probably the only ones downstream of them.

[drowsy salmon]

Mmm yes, let’s take time to prepare another cringy and boring showcase stream.

But yeah, if Bungie leadership has any semblance of critical thinking, they’d be putting together a team to hammer together some kind of proximity chat.

[mossy sage]

They'd already been vaguely talking about it before all this went down but were very clear that it wasn't gonna happen prior to release. I suppose it could now

I think as or more important is better solo support

[subtle sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2mSpnaju3A
i think i have a great chance at winning movie of the week!

[sinful hare]

Datto is chaotically dismantling Fallout's vault rn. RIP

[sinful hare]

Marathon Update: Bungie are not stupid enough to do a Concord.
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update

None of the news in here is a surprise. The fact that they are doing exactly what we expected them to do is good news.

[mossy sage]

Hm. No new date

[sinful hare]

We know it's gonna be before April 1, 2026.

[fervent gazelle]

More narrative and environmental storytelling to discover and interact with
What do you want to bet that this is just whatever was planned for the first update?

[sinful hare]

The game should have an extra Season's worth of content for launch now, including the map that is on the Marathon itself.

[mossy sage]

At this point I'm not entirely ready to take that for granted anymore, Sony statements notwithstanding

[sinful hare]

What's the current GTA launch date?

The 2 things dictating the launch now are gonna be Sony wanting to ship during this FY and the need to avoid GTA.

[drowsy salmon]

A darker tone that delivers on the themes of the original trilogy

I wonder if they’re gonna use this as cover for changing the art style to something that doesn’t look copied and pasted from Antireal’s Twitter.

[sinful hare]

Hopefully it'll mean getting rid of the cel shading.

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah they also mentioned upping the visual fidelity of the game.

[half night]

But I like cel shading 😭

[drowsy salmon]

The cel shading would have worked imo if it was more deliberate. But it felt like only some parts of the graphics leaned into it.

[sinful hare]

I don't like it because it makes the game look a bit Borderlands at times, which is the opposite of a dark tone.

[half night]

Yeah I guess it wouldn't work well for a darker tone but I just like cel shading in general

[drowsy salmon]

It would have worked if they were going for a more cyberpunk dystopia vibe.

But honestly I don’t know what angle Bungie was going for in the story.

And I’m not sure Bungie knows either.

[sinful hare]

A purely PvP extraction shooter is really not a platform for conveying a narrative tbh.

[drowsy salmon]

🤷

Bungo logic works in mysterious ways.

[somber lava]

Marathon will live GTA free for exactly 1 month and some change if they launch at the latest possible date

[fervent gazelle]

that's the parts they stole from a cel-shading artist

[hollow rover]

marathon got delayed huh

shocking

I'm not sure they are going to hit the end of fiscal year date, either

I don't think Sony is going to quietly take marathon out back either though

I'm thinking a year-ish delay at least to let the bad publicity die down

[subtle sorrel]

the delay could def be past the fy26 thing we heard recently

[mossy sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss9lqaRvQ8Y

[sinful hare]

https://fixvx.com/destiny_thememe/status/1935044700534120671

D2 Postin' ⬛️⬜️🟪 (@destiny_thememe)

Wake up worst gamedev take dropped

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 17, 2025, 6:39 PM

[half night]

(In response to that absurd take)

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-19575284

[half night]

I've had this thing on my phone for years and only just remembered it

[little frigate]

Hey folks, we have a brief announcement about the this thread. As we've noticed, over the last few months the amount of conversation here has decreased significantly, and shifted from discussing Destiny itself to mainly discussing Marathon. As such, we've decided that this thread is no longer needed.

On Saturday (June 21st), we will lock and close the #1331370977480802358 thread. It will be archived at the bottom of the list in #1331360043748032532, where you will still be able to read it, but not post. Any future discussion of Destiny (and Marathon) will be welcome in https://discord.com/channels/304777819936784385/1342603794370007050.

[mossy sage]

Unsurprising

[versed ember]

Rip

[drowsy salmon]

I will say, this honestly makes me sadder than deleting D2 off my PlayStation did.

[half night]

🫡

[little frigate]

It does feel like an end of an era 😅 For a scale of it, the original Destiny thread, in the old video games channel, started in February 11th 2022, which means the thread will be 3 years, 4 months and 10 days old when we close it on Saturday.

[drowsy salmon]

Ah, Witch Queen. The good old days.

[versed ember]

Ah [insert bungo period here], the good old days

[fervent gazelle]

Lightfall (NOT YOU)

[versed ember]

Fair fair

[sinful hare]

I had fun in Year 6. Strand was fun. Deep was a fun Season.

[sinful hare]

And it will never be backburn.

[sinful hare]

The Destiny discourse is older than that of course, Splicer and Lost were just in the normal gaming channel and annoying all the people with better taste.

Kon was pretty active in the Splicer era before going to sea and returning post WQ launch to find us in containment.

[mossy sage]

I hated Lightfall's campaign but the rest of the Year was above Destiny average I'd argue

[sinful hare]

Yeah.

The average is of course pulled down by Year 1 but I still consider Year 6 to be head and shoulders above Years 2 and 3.

Forsaken was a great expansion but Year 2 was just kinda mid.

This has been going on since 2020.

[versed ember]

We don't talk about curse of osiris.

Which is annoying because if that's the bar, than lightfall is mid at worst

[half night]

Yeah Lightfall was just mid, but it was hyped up as a second Witch Queen and as such was poorly received

[mossy sage]

No, Lightfall was bad bad

Even with CoO in the mix

Horrendous campaign

[versed ember]

I mean...it wasn't great and didn't deliver on its promises, but I think, in isolation, it was serviceable.

Problem is, we were all expecting Final Shape part 1. Which is not what we got

[mossy sage]

It was a very bad tutorial for Strand and some executive's bad idea for a Rocky homage in space

[versed ember]

I will say, dragging out getting Strand sucked fr

[sinful hare]

https://fixvx.com/TauCetiGG/status/1935347806992023872

Marathon Bulletin (@TauCetiGG)

Bungie is actively hiring new roles for Marathon:

- Marathon Commerce & Events Art Lead
- Marathon Gameplay Engineering Lead
- Marathon Investment Engineering Lead
- Marathon Activities Technical Designer (Mid to Senior)
- Marathon Principal Product Manager, Game Systems
- Marathon Test Lead - Meta Gameplay Systems

https://t.co/tTZv4v2uXx

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 18, 2025, 2:44 PM

This is the most credible support for the "delayed beyond FY25" argument I've seen so far.

It's pretty late in the day to open hiring for such major roles for a game that is supposed to ship in March.

If it goes past April then it will also have to go past May and June at least to avoid GTA.

No triple-A game may launch during that time period. The airspace is closed.

[mossy sage]

6 months or 18 months

I don't know that Sony could afford to let them go further than that

[hollow rover]

6 months would be insane

18 months would make things doable at least

[drowsy salmon]

Lol

Lmao even

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah. I’m not sure Lightfall’s campaign was worse than Warmind’s, but they’re definitely in the same echelon of awful.

[drowsy salmon]

Meanwhile I hated getting dragged in to it every time. I wanted a tactical challenge that I could tackle with the tools I had already mastered. I hated being railroaded into the new thing.

At least they did Prismatic right, and let you choose whether to use it or not. That’s what Lightfall and Strand needed.

[drowsy salmon]

Ah the good old days when I could look at the front page of the sub without rolling my eyes out of my head.

[drowsy salmon]

About what time of day are you thinking of locking it? I know what I want my final message here to be so I want to make sure I don’t miss it while traveling.

[drowsy salmon]

Imo, 6 months would take it from “dead before arrival” to “dead upon arrival.”

[quaint scroll]

can I possibly recommend that you maybe wait until the new expac releases?

[mossy sage]

I do not think it will matter

I'm not buying it, I don't think Skrimit or Glamdring are either, and I don't think the remaining conversation is going to take over the gaming channel the way it was when the thread was originally created

Jazz? Ander? Null? Rasarr? I don't think any of them have plans to jump in either

Arvon was already half out when Warframe got crossplay

[versed ember]

Not playing at the moment, for better or worse

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah all this channel gets these days is a Marathon doom post every few days.

[versed ember]

I wish I could like Destiny again. But I haven't had the itch for the gameplay in ages

[half night]

Yeah no I haven't played since Final Shape and that Star Wars thing killed any remaining interest

Well that and time for other things

[blissful surge]

I’m not buying either. Don’t even care enough to go do the dungeon event rn

[versed ember]

Real

[mossy sage]

I tried to knock out the episode stories at least

Since I paid for them

[versed ember]

My personal canon is my guardian retired after the Final Shape lol

She's just livin casually in the city now

[blissful surge]

I did too but also I did the dungeon thing one time with a friend a few weeks ago and my quest got bugged and I couldn’t get some rewards so….

[mossy sage]

Yeah "tried" is doing the heavy lifting there

I gave them a couple of hours and was not grabbed

[sinful hare]

My plans for Edge of Fate haven't changed. Won't play, will watch 'til the end of the Raid race.

I do want Marathon to do well tho just 'cuz it would be such a cool story if the most hated game ever actually succeeds.

It's not the same narrative as No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk where people loaded their hopes and dreams on to a game because of powerful marketing and memetic delusion, and then it launched poorly and got hate. This is next level.

[versed ember]

Marathon is expected to fail, right now. If it succeeds, that'll be a story for the ages.

It'll also be the death knell for bungo as all the poor management will be justified

[mossy sage]

A lot of those managers have agreements in place to leave after Marathon launches

[sinful hare]

Well they've made some correct decisions right now, which is to not launch and to listen to alpha feedback. Of course they got lambasted for that because post-theft they have zero control of the narrative, and the narrative is that they can do no right.

[mossy sage]

(I'm hoping Sony forces them out sooner)

Sony's already publicly expressed their lack of faith in Bungie executives, I don't see a successful turnaround at this stage really salvaging that

[versed ember]

Fair

We'll see i suppose

[drowsy salmon]

Yeah. That will be the only thing that will get me to stop rooting for Marathon to fail. The execs making those decisions, the ones continually storming up Destiny (which was good in spite of them, not because of them) need to go before I can view Bungie in a positive light again.

[drowsy salmon]

Meanwhile, I was enjoying the post FS year, especially Heresy, and was excited for Edge of Fate and wanted to buy it.

Then the Renegades trailer dropped, and I just shut my browser before the stream could finish. Felt like someone had rammed a cold knife down my spine.

[somber lava]

https://tenor.com/view/behold-my-stuff-thor-ragnarok-gif-12026704

[me transferring all my Xbox gear to PC, December 2023]

[little frigate]

EU afternoon; I'll drop a message a little before so y'all can post whatever last messages you want if you wanna

[little frigate]

Like everyone said, we just don't think there'll be much of a jump in traffic

[mossy sage]

If Bungie does end up cancelling Marathon does that mean Destiny can have TWAB back

[versed ember]

I wish...

[sinful hare]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/twid_06_19_2025

They nerfing melee-based DPS builds globally.

That's funny, TWID no embed.

[versed ember]

F

[sinful hare]

I guess they've suffered enough trauma from Combination Blow, Frenzied Blade, Navigatorjutsu, Wormgods, Peregrine Greaves, Consecration etc. etc.

Additionally, melee damage no longer scales Scorch and Ignition damage generated by melee attacks. The logic behind this change is similar to the logic underlying the Jolt damage scaling changes we made a while back. We think it's healthier for elemental verbs to have a consistent effect regardless of the source that applied them.

Are they getting rid of Scorch Identity completely tho? That was honestly one of the coolest hidden mechanics in Light 3.0 IMO.

It sounds like they at least intend to make it globally flat.

Bungo no longer has proofreaders. 😔

[mossy sage]

Glaive melee is always

[sinful hare]

I think they mean to say "Glaive melee is always Kinetic", and "Melee damage against Bosses", but they have forgotten how to words.

[mossy sage]

Hm I wonder if global melee nerfs in the various kits are in part an attempt to buff glaive damage by comparison

[sinful hare]

One-Two Punch "now works with all melee abilities", so I assume that means ranged melees as well like the Titan hammer. That's a nice buff now.

[mossy sage]

Or Ball Lightning, oddly

Actually Warlock is probably the big winner there across the board if that's true

Warlocks coming for that Titan class identity, again

[sinful hare]

Warlocks have historically never been close to Hunters or Titans in the melee domain, so honestly, fine.

[half night]

Gotta pay for those cars

[sinful hare]

Warlocks got some significant buffs to Starfire Protocol and Boots of the Assembler, I think they "won" this particular component of the all-aspect sandbox rework.

[versed ember]

I don't think so

Idk

Maybe

[subtle sorrel]

One day

Combo blow will get buffed again

But we are now at 4? Consecutive nerfs lol

[mossy sage]

https://x.com/a_dmg04/status/1935932494324601309

dmg04 (@A_dmg04)

X · Jun 20, 2025, 5:27 AM

[versed ember]

What a madlad

[sinful hare]

Kill the Grav Lance and the Le Monarque and then we talking.

No point in spending vault space on weapons that can just be pulled from Collections.

[versed ember]

The kill tracker

The nostalgia value of that

It's important

[sinful hare]

A man who has purged his vault down at this level is expected to transcend such earthly sentiment.

[mossy sage]

Datto kept a tally of the kill tracker value of the guns he'd deleted

[sinful hare]

dmg is just 2 steps short of nirvana

[drowsy salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809997480141914112/1373362280905052190/Xur-30th-Anniversary.png

[sinful hare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/1lgc18x/a_letter_of_protest_from_the_soloraid_community/

The request this person is making is terrible but they're making it so politely that I actually feel a bit bad for them.

Normally balance whine is more toxic than this.

[mossy sage]

I almost think "balance whine" is the wrong term for this

I mean in the most literal sense yes that is what this is

But the reality of Bungie leaving behind a very specific crowd with damage scaling is a reasonable thing to be reasonably upset about

Most "balance whine" is "why does Bungie hate Hunters" which like

Mate

It is better than the FFXIV community crashing out today because the prediction of a new Ultimate in the next patch turned out to be wrong and those high end players are acting like the sky is not even just falling but has fallen

[versed ember]

But why DOES bungie hate hunters???? /j

[sinful hare]

This is like at least half of all balance whine posts yeah. Another 20% each for Warlock and Titan versions and then 10% for global systems changes (which I'd file this one under).

[blissful surge]

It’s because Joe is a warlock main

[sinful hare]

I just looked into that thread to see what this was about and...

... and it's just Ander and hats discussion?

Boring.

[mossy sage]

Nobody really active here plays FFXIV at that level

Very few FFXIV players actually do at all

Doesn't stop the crashout

But also!

Hats

Ever since Valve invented hats they've been widely coveted, you know

[little frigate]

This is your scheduled (not actually) reminder that the Destiny thread will be closing within an hour or so, so if you have any last messages/gifs/memes to send, now's the time.

( @drowsy salmon )

[half night]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny-2-d2-warlock-jump-gif-5302248980422048377

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-taken-taken-ogre-ogre-gif-23834013

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-titan-crayons-lightfall-did-someone-say-crayons-gif-27220146

https://tenor.com/view/shaxx-kiryu-yakuza-destiny-destiny2-gif-26299579

[versed ember]

https://tenor.com/view/datto-court-i'll-see-you-in-court-idiot-destiny-gif-16487956350122451812

[half night]

I'll stop now

[mossy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/lance-reddick-lance-reddick-smile-wink-gif-24729924

[half night]

I forgot I also have memes

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-telesto-worship-gif-27069018

https://tenor.com/view/cayde6-press-the-red-button-destiny2-cdrb001-gif-15316207

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-this-destiny-cayde-gif-8803065

[half night]

And this made by my brother

[sinful hare]

Somehow we had more activity in here than in the FF14 thread when we died. 🫡 RIP Daed Gaem.

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-skill-issue-difference-in-skill-a-simple-difference-in-skill-destiny2-gif-23349313

[stray raft]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-privilege-honor-sink-gif-15938390

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-destiny-bank-those-motes-gif-22215904

[sinful hare]

https://i.redd.it/wkqnqoa506i61.gif

[little frigate]

o yeah, i do have a meme folder too

[half night]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny2-uno-card-fire-gif-17414780

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/ghaul-die-gif-20384712

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-ding-helldivers-liberty-freedom-gif-14546323224998491727

[mossy sage]

To be fair most of that activity is some combination of doomposting or Marathonposting instead of actually talking about Destiny itself

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/rhulk-yeet-gif-25063300

[fervent gazelle]

even now, this is my desktop background

[sinful hare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408313863109607426/1025511093185019984/ezgif-1-1c84b0951e.gif

[half night]

I had the Vow panorama with the dead worm as mine for a while

[half night]

Yessssssssss

[little frigate]

ohhh, i almost forgot about this one

[fervent gazelle]

god imagine if we'd gotten a full three dark subclasses before Prismatic
no I don't know what the 3rd would have been either

[drowsy salmon]

piss

[half night]

I really gotta go do things but have one more made by Rasaar and featuring her, Skrimit, and me

[sinful hare]

https://imgur.com/ZX1eKGL

[drowsy salmon]

I humbly ask permission to send the last non-mod message here. 🙏

[little frigate]

was about to say, i recognize myself in this screenshot

[little frigate]

granted

[sinful hare]

Cryptarchy server tag do be ballin.

[half night]

This is when y'all took me through Ghosts of the Deep for the first time

[sinful hare]

And you guys helped me get Navigator's Catalyst iirc.

[half night]

I think so? It's been almost two years

[little frigate]

man, what a trip down the memory lane

[sinful hare]

Time to get some mpedits in here

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-mp-edits-gif-22939869

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941765235361083402/1073687872743424030/028ce155cf434b9988bf9110757f1482.gif

[little frigate]

i don't even remember the context of this one

probably Haunted

[drowsy salmon]

"This thing's a long shooty boi." — Th3Jez

[sinful hare]

This is the entirety of Season 17 in one image yes.

[mossy sage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898683980637962251/1049743387936444506/shotgun_ape.gif

[blissful surge]

Pour one out for destiny posting!

[drowsy salmon]

wtf is Hawthorne doing there 😭

[little frigate]

she was the one who gave you the quest to go to the dungeon

[sinful hare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194838244190331000/1240795496512098365/shaxxmaxx.gif

[little frigate]

remember when they had that phase when they made Hawthorne give you dungeon quests cause they didn't know what else to do with her?

[drowsy salmon]

Oh LMAO, Bungie's sad attempt to make her relevant in any way possible

Even Devrim got a season, and Asher got an exotic mission

Hawthorne is just...friggin there

[sinful hare]

And the bird got to be a metaphor for the Traveler!

[mossy sage]

Louis is more important than Hawthorne

[fervent gazelle]

what's Hawthorne doing anywhere?

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-negau-gif-10093932

[blissful surge]

She’s not even a good glimmer stash anymore

[drowsy salmon]

That's a shot of nostalgia straight into my veins

[blissful surge]

Y’all remember the soccer field at the not tower

[mossy sage]

Bungie should turn over the Hawthorne code to the court, she truly is the last vestige of Red War

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-the-crow-destiny-destiny-2-destiny-the-game-gif-11440601510762857575

[little frigate]

i only saw the bombed-out version during season of the bad mara and crow storytelling

[drowsy salmon]

The OG farm was really cozy

They sold it during D2's marketing as the new social space.

I was actually disappointed when we got a new Tower

[blissful surge]

I don’t even remember getting the tower back

[mossy sage]

The fact that they never gave in and went back to the old Tower is always so baffling to me

[fervent gazelle]

the new tower was unlocked as part of Red War, right?

[blissful surge]

Final shape

[mossy sage]

Right I mean as a transfer for main social hub

[little frigate]

speaking of that time where we went to the farm (again), still got that in my stash

[sinful hare]

I remember the Last Dance At The Farm, a community event where people gathered at the Farm the day before the Black Fleet arrived and with it the DCV, the second to last day of Year 3.

Fun event. Lot of soccer and dancing and people actually using the Local Chat.

[blissful surge]

Which destiny had Shoreh sitting in like a purple room and had us worrying about faction rep?

[sinful hare]

Both of them.

[mossy sage]

She had a room in the D2 Tower near the hangar for no reason

Literally all it ever did was be a stop on a way to other exotic stuff

[blissful surge]

Wasn’t there faction stuff at launch?

[fervent gazelle]

I remember the first time I recognised her voice while running over to Xur and trying to figure out WTF that came from

[mossy sage]

Shaders iirc

[blissful surge]

Omg remember Titan patrols

[sinful hare]

Fashion Rallies yes.

RIP Greg 🫡

[mossy sage]

Fashion Rallies

[sinful hare]

His actual name was Golmuut.

[blissful surge]

Then in the solar 3.0 season when the seasonal activity was a public event but everybody was hunting chests! (Very guilty of this)

[drowsy salmon]

I always tried to go to the baths or pleasure gardens for that reason.

[little frigate]

I spent so much time in the solar 3.0 seasonal activity, it's kind of wild in retrospect

the one with the scythe

[blissful surge]

Yes!

[drowsy salmon]

Solar 3.0 was the season of me punching things until they exploded

Roaring Flames go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[blissful surge]

And that one was way better than the blind we’ll remake season where we just had to sit in the bubble

(Unless you weee running restoration or banner of war and lol)

[little frigate]

the best time to be a titan, at least until banner of war got added to strand 😌

[sinful hare]

Before we leave, some meta posting: https://youtu.be/IjMnAg3a9hA?si=7SIGkT40BVhauAiC

Tl;dw there's no way Bungo will allow Grapple to continue to benefit from both melee and grenade buffs, because that would make Navigatorjutsu stronger which is explicitly what they don't want.

Assuming it no longer gets grenade buffs it's actually not too nerfed from where it is now.

Other than that all melee DPS strategies are pretty nerfed except for Lightning Surge and the Sunbreaker hammer (which is kind of actually buffed).

Glaive melee vs bosses is dead, they did NOT want Glaives to continue doing as well as they did in Heresy.

[little frigate]

(mannnn i miss running around with strand titan)

[fervent gazelle]

was solar 3.0 the one on the leviathan?

[little frigate]

ye

[sinful hare]

Yes

[blissful surge]

Me 2 years later finally getting navigator from the dungeon event (wow can’t wait to go punch things with my strand grapple)

[versed ember]

Ya

[fervent gazelle]

TBH, as a titan all the 3.0s let me run around cackling madly

[drowsy salmon]

That’s because they want people to use the new hammer exotic. Don’t want it to be dead before arrival like Marathon

[fervent gazelle]

good times

[blissful surge]

Storm grenade arc HOIL was peak

[drowsy salmon]

Man that crem was so fun and busted

[little frigate]

man i really miss running around with banner of war and just shredding everything in melee

now i went and made myself sad and nostalgic

[sinful hare]

Speaking of Marathon, the underlying tech of the "sustained damage trigger" on Exotics that is being applied to Phoenix Cradle and Crest of Alpha Lupi is actually from Marathon: it is how Locus' HazProp style rockets function.

[drowsy salmon]

Drifter voice: Embrace the nostalgia!

[fervent gazelle]

the absolute madness of throwing hammers, grenades, sliding, all on the edge of death hoping your next healing proc came in time

[drowsy salmon]

Man I can’t believe they’re gonna sunset Gambit

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-gif-21122642

[blissful surge]

Running kings fall once I had some insane health regen on Titan and everybody had died at golgy and I’m trying to wipe but I kept getting regen from the fire helmet

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-destiny2-judge-finland-gif-23870451

[blissful surge]

Rip OG throwing hammer. Whatever they did to rework the physics killed it for me

[little frigate]

joke's on you, i loved gambit

[fervent gazelle]

I distinctly remember calling once
I'M TRYING TO WIPE BUT I CAN'T DIE

[blissful surge]

Gets my strand hunter and a sword out

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-destiny2-destiny-gamer-cry-gif-27685956

[sinful hare]

I like how that Exotic won't simply return the hammer to you unconditionally, but only if you prove worthy.

[blissful surge]

SO MANY TIMES

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-still-worthy-worthy-thor-chris-hemsworth-beard-gif-17509539

[blissful surge]

lol remember when they gave hunters a new exotic that was like yeah you do more damage with glaive

[drowsy salmon]

The crab exotic!

[versed ember]

CRAB

[fervent gazelle]

damn, I just realised that steam saves all your screenshots in the games install directory
so I'm missing all my raid clear team shots from before this PC

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-gambit-ding-drifter-creepy-gif-16001760

[versed ember]

Riiiipppp

[blissful surge]

Rasarr 🤝 Tassi

The only gambit fans in the world

[sinful hare]

I liked Gambit in Y2. Dredgen was my first ever title.

[blissful surge]

Just remembered the step in malfeasance quest where you got punished for dying with motes

[fervent gazelle]

playing gambit w/ friends can be pretty fun

it's the bounties that are the problem

[drowsy salmon]

Oh man. The meatball hunt. quest you could loose progress on if you died enough

Getting an army of one medal

[sinful hare]

Prime was a neat idea, the set bonuses are now years later a global function of how armor works in this game.

[blissful surge]

Omg the Gjally gambit meta

[drowsy salmon]

Killing guardians in their supers.

That was a real one

[drowsy salmon]

OG gambit meta was Sleeper

[fervent gazelle]

hey Rasarr, can we have another hour for further reminiscing?

[drowsy salmon]

When in doubt, use a Big Ffin Laser

[sinful hare]

I got both D1 Thorn and D2 Malfeasance pretty quickly, I guess I have always kind of been good at not dying.

[fervent gazelle]

(joking-not-joking)

[blissful surge]

Yes but also nuking invaders was great

[drowsy salmon]

I gonna go on a walk soon, I don’t want to miss the last post. :(

[drowsy salmon]

I remember nuking them with the toaster

And also Truth

[blissful surge]

Not the toaster

[sinful hare]

@little frigate it's time. Glam's gotta leave soon.

[drowsy salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/jotunn-gif-22002448

[blissful surge]

PTSD from randomly getting murdered by the toaster in crucible a bunch

[little frigate]

Well, then, Glam, the floor is yours

[sinful hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cayde6-destiny-2-cayde-cayde-welp-gif-2047210309405481865

[drowsy salmon]

Well I gotta say, this has been an amazing and wonderful time. The laughs and discussions I’ve shared y’all over this silly ridiculous and often wonderfully dysfunctional game…I’m gonna remember them forever.

But

All that said